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[QUOTE=XMan;1738626]Does a waitress get her tips or is it pooled and shared among all waitresses. Or all staff
. X.[/QUOTE]If you leave it on the tray, it goes into the pool and is shared by all the staff. Hand the tip to the waitress if you want to give it to her.
I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:
1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.
2. Have a threesome.
Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?
My understanding and experience in AC is the dancers get a salary range from P150 to P200. Possibly high end Fields bar might go up to P250. I have not ever heard of P300 but it could be possible at a few places. The BG gets a commission of app. P50 on a single lady drink. P100 on a double LD. Same with the waitress if you buy her a drink.
Waitress salary is around P100 to P200 a day but certainly less than the dancer's salary. I don't think the waitress gets a commission when the customer or BG orders a drink. The waitress depends on tips as extra income.
The BG and waitress gets to keep their tips wheter you designate it personal or not. I don't believe the tips go into a general pool. But it would be best to hand the tip directly to the designated person.
OTOH, tips are pooled in restaurants and other drinking establishments. I was in Rob's bar located across the street from Penthouse Hotel and wanted to tip the female bartender. I asked her if her tips were pooled or not and she said they were pooled. I then asked the manger if I could declare the tip as a personal tip and he said yes. I believe it is good policy to declare a personal tip in front of the manager on duty to avoid any confusion.
Previously I have also just paid the waitress directly for the value of he LD without actually buying her a drink. SO instead of paying the house P300 for the LD, just ask the girl if she wants to accept the P300 without the rink.
This is not acceptable in all establishments and totally perverts the course of business.
BD.
[QUOTE=KhongPoh;1738757]I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:
1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.
2. Have a threesome.
Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?[/QUOTE]1. Go to any of the larger bars and tell the mamasan your requirements. Likely to be very expensive if she is in indeed an actual virgin. Might not be that easy.
2. Very easy to achieve at just about any bar. Pick one girl, then ask her to select a friend she is comfortable with. All you have to pay is 2 BFs.
[QUOTE=XMan;1738626]Thanks for that BD. It's nice to get some perspective about pay scales here and there.
Does a waitress get her tips or is it pooled and shared among all waitresses. Or all staff?
I dislike getting many coins in my change tray. I'm happy to leave a note as a tip, but when I get a ton of change, my tip gets smaller and my pocket get's heavier. I guess it's common sense from their side. Many guys will take the bills and leave the coin. Of course the coins are hidden underneath, or worse, in between bills. Sorry, that's deception in my book.
Let's say I call a dancer down, buy her a drink, and we interview each other. But then I decide to leave. For a while I was giving the dancer more of a tip than the waitresses. In most cases I was there because of the dancer, not the waitress. Once or twice a dancer took the money I gave her and handed it over to the waitress. I thought there might be some kind of rule, so I asked "why". The dancer said the waitresses are paid badly, as BD reports. Lesson learned.
Whining about waitresses: if I call a dancer down, I would like to ask for her name before the waitress barges in and asks me if I want to buy her a drink. I know that calling a dancer down implies that I will buy a drink. But what's the big hurry? I'm excited about meeting the dancer. Don't mess with the vibe at such a critical time.
I'm sure others have different feelings or different pet peeves (complaints). X.[/QUOTE]Sadly Margarita Station is one of the worse offenders. I have received 73 pesos in coins on a 170 Peso bill, paying with a 500 Peso bill. I purposely don't leave a tip and tell the waitress why on my way out.
I've tested some common economic principles in the context of the AC bar scene. My results are below. As usual, I will add the catch all disclaimers: YMMV, this is purely my opinion, I am only a newbie with three visits to the Phils. Please feel free to add your own views and additional theories.
1. Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns: Yes, this is applicable. The biggest release and orgasm you get will be from fucking the first girl of the night. By the fourth girl on the same evening, your cock will be sore, you will be tired of pussy and the marginal sexual satisfaction you get will be much smaller. You will refuse an offer from the fifth girl that evening even if it is free and she is a 10.
2. Supply and Demand: No, not applicable. There are always way more girls in the bars than punters, but the bars don't drop their prices to match. FLs might be happy to reduce their rate if desperate. A writer on the BKK forum said some of the bars there raise their prices in the off-season to make up for lost revenue, making this theory rubbish.
3. Principal- Agent Problem: No, not applicable to AC as the girls don't up-sell their services. The BF is a fixed fee and the tip is not mandatory and "up to you". This theory is more applicable in an FKK where the girl is up-selling different services. You then ask yourself, is this Romanian girl offering me anal sex and CIM so that it can make me happier or is she offering these to make her Euro $100 richer? Hence the Principal Agent problem.
4. Classical Economics: Yes, partially applicable here. While officially there is no interference from the government, we all know that various government agencies have some influence in the AC bar scene. Now would prostitution work better in AC if there were no interference at all? I think may be the kick-backs keep the place in equilibrium. Look what happened to Iraq when Suddam Hussein was toppled?
5. Laissez-Faire: Yes, partially true. There is on the surface, no obvious government interference in what is fundamentally an illegal activity. No taxation of earnings, no subsidies and the transaction between the bar and the punter is easy. Everyone is relaxed about it.
6. Laffer Curve: Yes, completely applicable. Now the bar owner might think that if he can raise LDs to 1,000 PHP and BFs to 9,000 PHP, he will make a lot more money per transaction. But his overall revenue will drop as punters stay away from AC. Now if he were to reduce LDs to 50 PHP and BFs to 1,200 PHP, his ROI per girl would decline, but would his overall revenue and profit increase? Probably, as punters would flock to AC instead of going to LOS. This would be at the expense of the girls as their incomes would fall and they would leave the bar scene, leading to supply and demand issues all over again. Now I'the be happy to work with the bar owners and LE to do some financial modelling to determine the optimal pricing point! I can take payment in kind.
7. Speculative Bubble: Yes, applicable to AC. Just look at the number of new hotels in AC over the past few years, based on the speculation that more punters will arrive. Is it a bubble? Not sure. Not everyone is in AC to monger. I assume there is considerable business activity in Clark.
8. Tragedy of the Commons: Yes, applicable here. Look at the way the Koreans, acting independently, are driving up prices and girls' expectations, much to the destruction of everyone else. We take that the availability of girls is a common resource, yet one particular group is upsetting the situation.
9. Rational Choice Theory: Yes, applicable here. Each punter is trying to make an individual decision when selecting a girl from the immense LU, without any interference. Every Western punter wants GFE, PSE, BBBJCIM, DFK and two pops for 3,000 PHP. Koreans want 3 minutes, with their 3-inch dicks and will pay 3,000 PHP for 1 pop in the missionary position. Their choices are rational and are not impulsive. Each knows what he wants. This in turn affects the behaviour of the girls and you all know where their preferences lie!
10. What Goes Around Comes Around: Not really an economic theory, but assumes that if you treat an AC girl nicely and respectfully, she will give you a mind blowing performance.
[QUOTE=Robbaf;1738930]Sadly Margarita Station is one of the worse offenders. I have received 73 pesos in coins on a 170 Peso bill, paying with a 500 Peso bill. I purposely don't leave a tip and tell the waitress why on my way out.[/QUOTE]I think its unwise to return to same Restaurant after such encounter. If there is a next time, waitress might tell cook to spit / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] in soup, LOL.
That coin treatment has never happened to me, at Margarita's. White Managers are on the floor close by 24/7. On duty Manager is the one to have a chit with, if any problems.
Rather dull looking place with slow service (cooked to order) , but good basic food, is my experience.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1738951]
6. Laffer Curve: Yes, completely applicable. Now the bar owner might think that if he can raise LDs to 1,000 PHP and BFs to 9,000 PHP, he will make a lot more money per transaction. But his overall revenue will drop as punters stay away from AC. Now if he were to reduce LDs to 50 PHP and BFs to 1,200 PHP, his ROI per girl would decline, but would his overall revenue and profit increase? Probably, as punters would flock to AC instead of going to LOS. This would be at the expense of the girls as their incomes would fall and they would leave the bar scene, leading to supply and demand issues all over again. Now I'the be happy to work with the bar owners and LE to do some financial modelling to determine the optimal pricing point! I can take payment in kind.
[/QUOTE]Nice analysis ED. Just one comment with regards to no. 6: I don't think the girls' incomes would fall because more punters and lower prices means they would be barfined more often, maybe even twice as much.
Maybe some of them might leave because they have to work too hard, LOL!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1739000]Nice analysis ED. Just one comment with regards to no. 6: I don't think the girls' incomes would fall because more punters and lower prices means they would be barfined more often, maybe even twice as much.
Maybe some of them might leave because they have to work too hard, LOL![/QUOTE]Yes, very true. They would have to do more ST sessions in a night to make up their income targets and push more LDs.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1738895]1. Go to any of the larger bars and tell the mamasan your requirements. Likely to be very expensive if she is in indeed an actual virgin. Might not be that easy.
2. Very easy to achieve at just about any bar. Pick one girl, then ask her to select a friend she is comfortable with. All you have to pay is 2 BFs.[/QUOTE]Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?
And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?
[QUOTE=KhongPoh;1739019]Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?
And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?[/QUOTE]LOL, you are a true virgin in the monger world. "Can I get a refund" . That the quote of the day.
What you think you buy? Compare it with a parachute jump: you pay upfront. If the parachute doesn't open, bad luck.
Are you Asian? Be prepare to fork out more then 50.000, more likely 100.000 Peso. Thats the going rate ex bar to Koreans. But more important, be prepared to be rejected. Specially the poor girls who start as cherry in that business wish to find a husband. For them 1000 peso or 100.000 is no difference. Both go to the pamily to buy a sack of rice. But to loose the cherry means that they never can find a Pinoy husband anymore. And their mom was teaching them from young years: your cherry only to your husband.
As newcomer, just enjoy. Don't focus on cherries only.
If you a charmer and experienced, you can go the way over a dating board. At DIA you can find heaps of them. But that are normally tough cherries to pick. However, some go for free if you play it right. I could tell stories, but as gentlemen one better enjoys and keep silent.
[QUOTE=Amadeuss;1739169]LOL, you are a true virgin in the monger world. "Can I get a refund" . That the quote of the day.
What you think you buy? Compare it with a parachute jump: you pay upfront. If the parachute doesn't open, bad luck.[/QUOTE]That is why I always pay after. So if the parachute does not open then whoever I rented it from will not get paid. I wouldn't fall for the virgin bar girl scam though. How are they going to prove to you that she is and how are you going to prove to them that she is not? It's all the word of the girl.
[QUOTE=KhongPoh;1739019]Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?
And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?[/QUOTE]As Amadeuss and Mr E have pointed out, cherry hunting is fraught with risk. If this is going to be your first visit, it might be better to just absorb the AC atmosphere, learn how the place works and just enjoy the company of hundreds of beautiful, friendly, non-virgin girls. Getting a threesome there is the easiest thing in the world. Don't be shy in approaching the mamasan or the waitresses for help. Buy them a drink and they will give you a lot of useful information.
Leave the cherries for the Koreans who have big sacks of cash to waste.
[QUOTE=KhongPoh;1738757]I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:
1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.
2. Have a threesome.
Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?[/QUOTE]There are always risks involved in anything in life. To answer your questions.
1. In AC bars a virgin is just called a cherry girl. Most bars have cherry girls working there from time to time. You just have to shop around. Not all Cherry girls are available to have their cherries broken. Some just work and do drinks and do not go out. Best to ask first if their cherry is available. They will tell you the price of the cherry. I think most bars get half of it. Prices range from 50 k to 100 k. I am only telling you from what I understand and not from any experience. Keep in mind that you will probably not get a full fuck in as you break the cherry as the cherry girl will more likely be in a lot of pain and want you to stop fucking her. Remember you bought the PRIVILEGE of breaking it, nothing more.
It is your bucket item and only you can determine the value of it. I trust you are an adult and can weigh the risks and cost and determine the value to you.
2. Threesomes are available but true PSE may be hard to find. It is possible but you will have to shop around and try different threesomes until you hit the jackpot.
No one bar specifically stocks your items. So you have to shop around different bars.
Btw, there are NO REFUNDS. No satisfaction guarantees. 100% cash pay up front. No credit cards or checks.
P.s. Bring a red towel and some good lube for #1