Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1723094]Businesses in Pattaya rely on people paying tips. Primarily rely on people buying ladies drinks, on people spending or giving money that they not strictly required to give or spend. Indians notoriously try to pay as little as possible and try to get something for nothing.

Tight fistedness can result in unpleasantness for any man in Pattaya, regardless of race, but people are a lot more likely to assume Indians tightfisted, because they are usually right to assume that.

People working in businesses in Pattaya cannot afford to take offense at the sight of old fat men going around with Thai girls hanging on to them, because they live on the genuine and spontaneous generosity of those old fat men. So when they see someone from whom no tips or avoidable expenditures are expected, the man who probably has a clever plan to get something for nothing, that man is likely to be subjected to the white hot hatred that someone like me probably deserves, but never receives.[/QUOTE]Red Dogger,

When you say "people in Pattaya rely on people paying tips. "Is totally wrong information to tell someone. Every county relies on people spending money. In Thailand the culture is actually based off not tipping which for once is nice. Tipping is not expected or required. Thailand has seemed to be getting more and more expensive over the years. Without going into that deeper. For myself it is very refreshing if I make a deal with a girl for lets say 700 -1000 Baht. We have a good time she leaves and I give what was promised. I hate after I give what we agreed upon and then they start asking for more money as a tip. I always tell them the same. Tip was included in what we agreed upon. They always smile and leave with a smile never any hard feeling. They know I already know tipping is not required. To be honest I do not have a problem tipping especially when a girl gives great service. But, I don't tip in Thailand on principle to keep the price down. The basic fee for short time in Pattaya is between 600-1000 Baht. But usually 1000. If you negotiate cheaper. Now lets just say 1000 baht is stand tip I Pattaya. If everyone starts tipping on top of that. The price will be driven up to 1500 baht. Which it will anyway because guys from countries where tipping is the culture can't help themselves. I personally would like to keep Thailand cheap for as long as it will last. There are guys out there that can't help themselves and insist on throwing money at working girls. I am glad they are big spenders. I always suggest China where depending on where they go can easily spend around $100 USD per girl. Be happy and tip on top of that. The Chinese have a habit of demanding tip but again depend where you are. So big spenders who will say I am a cheap charlie. Should tip girls that the price is already a $100 USD. They start off spending more and tip more. Helps the girl the economy and helps themselves not feeling cheap. The bragging rights alone are worth it for them.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1721829]OK. I'll bite:

The hotel for 10,000 Baht a day I am guessing a three bedroom suite at the Penthouse Hotel. They have some pricey options available where you can connect a bunch of rooms into one large party setup.

With 14,000 Baht a day each for mongering you will have plenty of options. Hardcore Devils Den ladies are 7,000 Baht for a whole day, and you have the assurance that they will perform together nicely. Four or five of them to share around and you will still have enough money left for meals and in-room refreshments. IMO that would make for one memorable day during your visit.

SunLover.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Why waste that money on DD ladies, who are only so-so in the looks department?. And whose service, though ticking off the PSE list, is pretty mechanical.

For that money I'd set up shop at Insomnia with a table and bottle service and pick off the great FL talent to be had there. If you are determined to burn through that much cash even the hottest gogo dancers should be available to you. Then take the best of the best back to your apartment for a huge party / orgy.


there is certainly discrimination in Thailand against Indians. But Thais are, if nothing, a very practical people. I am sure if you throw around enough money they will get over these prejudices in a hurry.

When are you guys planning your trip? I'm around all August and would be happy to show you around a bit.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1724624]There are enough "non mongering" things to see and do in and around Pattaya. Among those are:

* "Ripley's Believe It or Not"-museum.

* Sanctuary of Truth.

* Ladyboy shows.

* The waterpark in Jomtien (great for ogling non-P4P girls in skimpy bikinis).

* Floating Market.

* Dolphin show.

* Aquarium.

* Buddha on the Mountain.

* Zipline adventure.

* . . .

And I'm quite sure I forget a lot more.

But if you are concerned about your reputation, why not book a stay in a hotel or apartment in Jomtien, which is the familiy beach part of Pattaya, but still has its own small selection of naughty bars and massage places and is only a short 10 minutes in a bahth bus away from Walking Street in Pattaya.

The world is full of stereotyping. I read that Westerners are regularly being denied access to "Thai only" or "Japanese only" clubs in Bangkok because we are "too big" for their girls' small pussies. It is never funny being denied access, but it is not a problem. Plenty more establishments that are more than happy to accept your baht. Just smile and take your business to their neighbours.[/QUOTE]Great places to establish your alibi!! You can snap some good pics at the Sanctuary of Truth and Floating Market that look like you were out in the boonies doing acceptable "cultures" tourist stuff instead of perving it up in Sin City.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724647]I disagree. Why waste that money on DD ladies, who are only so-so in the looks department?. And whose service, though ticking off the PSE list, is pretty mechanical.[/QUOTE]I agree that DD can be hit or miss; but the OP has stated he worries about discrimination, and they have a non-discrimination policy clearly posted on their website.

SL.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1724631]You could try Devils Den as they claim to have this service on their site. I tried to call them many times, but couldn't get through to them during my stay there last week, hence am not sure if they are open.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the idea. I must admit I didn't think of DD!

I'm not really thinking too well it seems when hunting for a pussy for a pussy!

Haven't you heard that one dirty fish spoils the whole pond. Yeh that's try bro. I will share with my last weekend experience in BKK. I am frequent visitor to BKK and.

Never had any problem getting in any high end Clubs, Bars or Restaurants people and girls always treat me with respect and dignity because I do the same. Last weekend two of my Indian friends from New Delhi Joined me in BKK and they wanted to do clubbing, So onus was on me to take them out.

We went to Levels around midnight as usual security staff greeted me and ask me where I have been. I told them work is keeping me busy these days. Inside we were.

Having good time drinking and dancing. One of my friends liked one girl standing alone at the corner so we called her over. She seemed to be nice girl working in mobile shop and here in levels to make some quick money. After few hours we decided to move to Mixx along with that girl. She offered us ride in her car but don't know.

Where Mixx is, so she asked me if I know the direction and I said yes. Once in Mixx again we had a good time, all the security people coming to me and saying Hi. I tip.

Them 20 bhat each generally inside there is 4-5 security guys. In total it cost me around 100 bhat but the respect they give me is worth more than that. I never have to stand in q or ever have to go through body check.

Now here is the main point. My friend from Delhi sealed the deal with this girl for 4000 bhat till afternoon. Around 4 in morning we all left Mixx. My friend and that girl.

Left to his hotel in her car and I took taxi to my hotel. Around 12 in noon I got a text from that girl saying that how come I am so good and my friend so bad. I asked her what happened. She told me that my friend gave her only $100 bill I. E 3200 bhat instead of 4000 bhat as promised and said that's all he got right now. I had no answer.

And told her that I will talk to my friend.

Now what do you think this girl is going to do from next time. 1. She is not going to go with any Indian guy. 2. If she dares to go with them she will ask for money up.

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[QUOTE=Maila;1724614] I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!?[/QUOTE]Many things, but their primary failing was failure to throw sufficient money around with sufficient abandon at sufficient people. Pattaya is an economy based on tips and lady drinks. Tip everyone at least 20 Baht and always buy a drink for yourself and a drink for a lady. In the morning, tip the lady several hundred more than promised or agreed. If you keep a death grip on your wallet, you will wear out your welcome mighty fast, regardless of race.

[QUOTE=Maila;1724614]Good day gentlemen!

1) I figured I could add 6-8 days before / after a weekend. I know Pattaya and Phuket are big draw areas for tourists. But, does saying that one is in Pattaya give away what you are doing there? In other words, is there other legitimate popular tourism also going on?

2) My second question is filled with regret. As it happens, I happen to be of Indian origin. I noticed a somewhat heated debate on visiting Indians in the forum, their manners or lack thereof, and a seeming boycott by the local industry. This pains me. My initial reaction was: WTF did they do!? In any case, my interest is not to re / start a flame war of any sort. I just want to see if I can get any input regarding traveling solo there and if it would be worth it or not in my case.

[/QUOTE]1) Pattaya does have a certain reputation. I tell certain business associates and married straight friends I am visiting Ko Lanta. Only my close friends know what I am really doing.

2) Maila, you sound like an educated, well financed, Indian Player. Therefor I think you will have a lot of fun in LOS. There are plenty of quality venues in Pattaya and BKK that do not close their doors to Indians. Just do a little homework on the forum and write down those establishments that discriminate so you can avoid them. It is their loss, not yours.

[QUOTE=Pram1000;1724631]You could try Devils Den as they claim to have this service on their site. I tried to call them many times, but couldn't get through to them during my stay there last week, hence am not sure if they are open.[/QUOTE]I just left LK Metro. They are open.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724647]there is certainly discrimination in Thailand against Indians. But Thais are, if nothing, a very practical people. I am sure if you throw around enough money they will get over these prejudices in a hurry.

When are you guys planning your trip? I'm around all August and would be happy to show you around a bit.[/QUOTE]We will be there in first week of June. Would have been great to meet you and roam around with an experienced player.

Spent 3 nights here during a transit in BKK. I found the gogo bars are just way too expensive to to take out. I have not been to Pattaya for about 4-5 years and the overall quality now still not that good. I think the majority of gogo ladies are mothers and age mid to late 20's. I saw a few doable ones in various gogo bars, but by no mean cuties, but they were asking 2000-2500 plus 700-800 bar fine for a ST, probably 1 hour of lazy work. I decided not to take any. There are now so many new gogos compared to 4 years ago. The ones I like are Sensation, Sugar Baby, Happy, What's up, Iron Club, Peppermint etc.

I checked out a few BJ bars instead. I checked Loritta near LK Metro, but all the staff were really fat and old, did not see anyone looks under 30. Went to Soi 6, I did not do any prior research, some lady directed me to go to Click Bar and My friend you bar, these 2 are special oral shops. The lineups were similar to Loritta, all girls on the chunky side and no one close to be doable if full sex is involved. A less chubby lady about age 30-35 was very enthusiastic to promote herself and offer me swallow as she said I drink for you. I did not feel any excitement but took her anyways. She kept her promise about her service. I actually feel a bit pity for her sucking all these strangers cocks and swallow all these strangers' cum for a few hundred bahts.

The cost was 800 for BJ, plus my beer 120, her coke 130?. The deed was done in the sofa semi private but I was the only one in there during the 30 min.

The other night I took a motorbike taxi to 3rd road, and found the Bliss Bar, another BJ specialist, but the 6 staff were really too unattractive for me even for a BJ, I left and checked out Club 4, not far from Bliss, but impossible to describe the location by words, a motorbike boy took me there in some dark alley and later I had a big problem walking back to the main street. The lineup was about 5 with 1 girl upstairs serving blow job, and all of them also looked old around 30-35, I was tired and thirsty ordered a beer and a Sprite, a lady was nagging me to take her, not attractive a little fat but very friendly, so decided to get the job done here because all these joints were practically with similar quality of staff. Cost is quite high here, 700 BJ, plus room fee (there is curtain they close when they blow you) 300, my beer 80? Coke 70? Her drink 150? The total was like 1300.

I also checked the lineups on Beach Road, I found about 2 doable ones along the whole stretch, 1 was not too friendly so I did not talk long and the other one insists she cannot blow till finish, I did not take her and she was taken a few min later by some Korean looking middle age guy. I sat nearby and could hear her said loudly she wants 1500ST, I think the Korean did not bargain. I think most these Beach Rd talents could be had for less than 1000, but for some of us it's finding a needle in haystack.

[QUOTE=Milky100;1724764]We will be there in first week of June. Would have been great to meet you and roam around with an experienced player.[/QUOTE]I am sure you guys will be fine. With the kind of bankroll you guys will be rolling with its hard not to have fun. .

I'd also recommend trying out the GoGos off LK Metro: Crystal and Destiny in particular. Some good lookers there and they are more laid back. It's just a hunch, but I think they may be less likely to discriminate than the places on WS.

But I'd definitely try and woop it up at Insomnia as I advised in the last post. I've had great luck there and the FLs there are very hot and give good GFE.

Have fun and please post your experiences. I am curious to see how much bang you get for all those baht you intend to spend. Sounds like you are gearing up for an epic adventure!

[QUOTE=FunFilled;1724713]Haven't you heard that one dirty fish spoils the whole pond. Yeh that's try bro. I will share with my last weekend experience in BKK. I am frequent visitor to BKK and.

Never had any problem getting in any high end Clubs, Bars or Restaurants people and girls always treat me with respect and dignity because I do the same. Last weekend two of my Indian friends from New Delhi Joined me in BKK and they wanted to do clubbing, So onus was on me to take them out.

We went to Levels around midnight as usual security staff greeted me and ask me where I have been. I told them work is keeping me busy these days. Inside we were.

Having good time drinking and dancing. One of my friends liked one girl standing alone at the corner so we called her over. She seemed to be nice girl working in mobile shop and here in levels to make some quick money. After few hours we decided to move to Mixx along with that girl. She offered us ride in her car but don't know.

Where Mixx is, so she asked me if I know the direction and I said yes. Once in Mixx again we had a good time, all the security people coming to me and saying Hi. I tip.

Them 20 bhat each generally inside there is 4-5 security guys. In total it cost me around 100 bhat but the respect they give me is worth more than that. I never have to stand in q or ever have to go through body check.

Now here is the main point. My friend from Delhi sealed the deal with this girl for 4000 bhat till afternoon. Around 4 in morning we all left Mixx. My friend and that girl.

Left to his hotel in her car and I took taxi to my hotel. Around 12 in noon I got a text from that girl saying that how come I am so good and my friend so bad. I asked her what happened. She told me that my friend gave her only $100 bill I. E 3200 bhat instead of 4000 bhat as promised and said that's all he got right now. I had no answer.

And told her that I will talk to my friend.

Now what do you think this girl is going to do from next time. 1. She is not going to go with any Indian guy. 2. If she dares to go with them she will ask for money up.

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I hope you made up the difference to her? Now it is your name on the line. That is why I go solo and conduct my own business, pay and tip to my way. Not CC ways.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1724844]It has taken more than one bad fish to spoil the pond. Actually to be truthful it not just a pond but an ocean they have spoiled or maybe the 7 seas. This reputation has been well earned, deserving and paid for.[/QUOTE]More akin to the societal [I]Crabs in a barrel[/I] phenomenon I would say. Just today I was researching Pattaya Hotels on tripadvisor and one property had review after review mentioning the loud and obnoxious Indian tour groups which frequented the place. Cross that one off the list thank you very much!

With such a consistent level of ill public behavior it is no wonder the working girls have qualms about agreeing to private hookups.

SunLover.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724829]...

I'd also recommend trying out the GoGos off LK Metro: Crystal and Destiny in particular. Some good lookers there and they are more laid back. It's just a hunch, but I think they may be less likely to discriminate than the places on WS....[/QUOTE]They discriminate as well. I had falang friends waiting inside Crystal and the thai doorman didn't seem convinced. He looked to his falang boss (or manager) who finally agreed to let me in.

The Sugar / Paradise go gos towards the end of LK Metro will let solo flyers in (the decision is arbitrary).