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[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2980317]You are dead wrong! We have the Gulf of America now. That's real leadership that America can count on. LOL.[/QUOTE]That will last until the next Repub Party-facilitated historic record worst Climate Change Hurricane ravages the Gulf States.
Then he'll go back to blaming Mexico for it. "They coulda' turned off that big water faucet and this never woulda' happened"!
A half a day of decline in the S&P 500 and the Dow and Trump folded like a cheap lawn chair!
What happened to Mexico "taking advantage of us economically" and "other countries will pay us billions and we can fund everything from my brilliant tariffs"?
How the hell does a bunch of bored Mexican soldiers hanging around getting paid to look the other way while USA citizens smuggle drugs across the border have to do with those trade imbalances Trump was whining about and the billions in free money Mexico was going to pay us with those Trump Tariffs?
"Trump pauses Mexico tariffs for one month after agreement on border troops. ".
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/03/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china-sheinbaum-responds.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you soooo silly you soft in the head.
Meanwhile, his only "win" so far with all this Tariff bullshit is the president of Colombia agreed to let him continue doing what Obama and Biden were already doing in greater numbers and cheaper! Lolol.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/us/politics/trump-economy-threats.html[/URL]
Trump Wields USA Power With Unclear Economic Consequences.
The president sees the USA Economy as a powerful lever against other countries but there are risks to that approach.
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President Trump, wearing a blue suit and red tie, sits at a wooden desk facing a line of microphones.
Economists say that as strong as the American economy is, trade wars will weaken it by raising prices, stalling investment, slowing growth and dragging down exports. Credit. Doug Mills / The New York Times.
Ana Swanson.
By Ana Swanson.
Ana Swanson has covered international trade for over a decade and is based in Washington.
Feb. 3, 2025.
Updated 5:48 pm ET.
President Trump is brandishing the USA Economy like a weapon, threatening to put more than a trillion dollars of trade on the line with economic wars on multiple fronts.
In a high-stakes confrontation that lasted over the weekend and into Monday, Mr. Trump promised to put tariffs on the United States closest trading partners, which are together responsible for more than 40 percent of American imports, to try to force them to accede to his demands.
Mr. Trump was pushing Canada, Mexico and China to stop flows of migrants at the border one of his major domestic policy issues as well as to stem shipments of deadly drugs, and offer the United States better terms when it comes to trade relationships.
Both Canada and Mexico earned slight reprieves on Monday after Mr. Trump agreed to delay tariffs of 25 percent which were supposed to go into effect on Tuesday for a month. That decision came after President Claudia Sheinbaum of Mexico promised to reinforce the USA -Mexico border with 10,000 members of its National Guard. Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister, said Canada would appoint a fentanyl czar, launch a joint strike force to combat organized crime and list cartels as terrorists, among other steps.
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China has not received any such reprieve and Mr. Trump on Monday said that the 10 percent tariffs that will go into effect on Tuesday were simply an opening salvo.
Speaking from the Oval Office, the president also made clear that he would use tariffs liberally to get other governments to give him what he wants, essentially saying he would leverage Americas economic strength to bully other nations.
I don't want to use names, but tariffs are very powerful, both economically and in getting everything else you want, Mr. Trump said during remarks in the Oval Office. When you're the pot of gold, the tariffs are very good, theyre very powerful and theyre going to make our country very rich again.
The president is right that the American economy is a powerful weapon, and that tariffs, if he chose to put them into effect, would hit other countries harder. Canada and Mexico in particular are deeply dependent on trade with the United States. They send more than 80 percent of their exports to the United States, and could be crippled by a prolonged fight.
But many economists say the strategy would cost the United States, too. They estimate that as strong as the American economy is, trade wars would weaken it by raising prices, stalling investment, slowing growth and dragging down exports. Many farmers and businesses who would see their costs go up and export markets evaporate have protested the risk.
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It remains to be seen what the president will do once his 30 day timeline ends. But even if the president ultimately does not follow through this time around, the uncertainty his policies have created could discourage businesses from investing in new factories and hiring workers until they have a clearer picture of how trade will unfold.
Emily Blanchard, an economics professor at Dartmouths Tuck School of Business, argued that tariff threats eat away at USA Economic leverage. She said that Mr. Trump was undermining the trust that provides the foundation of USA Strength by throwing around the countrys weight in global markets.
If companies and investors expect the United States to deploy tariffs regularly, they will hedge against future disruptions by reducing their reliance on American markets, she said. Trade policy is an economic weapon that becomes less powerful every time it is used, she said.
The president has briefly acknowledged that trade wars could hurt Americans, but he has argued that they will hurt other countries more.
WILL THERE BE SOME PAIN? He wrote on social media on Sunday. YES, MAYBE (AND MAYBE NOT! BUT WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AND IT WILL ALL BE WORTH THE PRICE THAT MUST BE PAID.
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A news release accompanying Mr. Trumps trade executive orders over the weekend stated that access to the American market was a privilege for foreign governments. The White House noted that trade accounted for 73 percent of Mexicos economic activity, 67 percent of Canadas and 37 percent of Chinas. But trade is only 24 percent of USA Gross domestic product, it said.
Wendy Cutler, a former USA Trade negotiator and vice president at the Asia Society, said Mr. Trump was correct that trade wars would be more painful for Canada and Mexico. There is no doubt that our partners will be more severely impacted than the United States, with over three-fourths of their exports destined for our market, she said.
Still, USA Consumers, companies and economy will also feel the pain, particularly when subject to retaliatory actions by our partners.
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A rail yard in Windsor, Canada. Mr. Trump has briefly acknowledged that trade wars could hurt Americans, but he has argued that they will hurt other countries more. Credit. Ian Willms for The New York Times.
Researchers at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington have estimated that a 25 percent tariff on Canada and Mexico and a 10 percent tariff on China would hit other countries the hardest, but would also slow the USA Economy.
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Canadian and Mexican gross domestic product would both shrink by a full percentage point by 2027, they estimate. G. the. P. In the United States would fall by only about a third of that. While that may not seem like much, there are few actions that American presidents have willingly taken that cut economic growth by so much.
Tariffs on Canada and Mexico would be particularly painful because, after 30 years under a common trade agreement, many companies have set up supply chains that cross North American borders. Companies making petroleum, cars, consumer care products, tequila, steel and other products have expressed concern over the tariffs.
Ontario, the province that is home to Canadas auto industry, estimated that 450,000 jobs were at risk because of the tariffs. Officials there announced that they would offer tax deferrals and other measures to help businesses affected by the tariffs.
Beyond the effects on companies, trade experts said the aggressive threats could be longer-term damage to USA Interests. That is because the tariff threats would eat away at international confidence that the United States will abide by trade rules and norms that govern when governments deploy tariffs and why.
Edward Alden, a trade expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, said that the United States had nurtured a system of international rules and predictability for decades. With Mr. Trump threatening to deploy tariffs in a random, incomprehensible fashion, he said, that era has come to an end.
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The United States is now signaling that tariffs are an all-purpose club to be used for whatever policy goal the president wishes, he said. That formula will create enormous, in many ways unprecedented, uncertainty not just in North America but in the entire global economy.
Canada and Mexico had been poised to retaliate if the tariffs went into effect, despite a USA Threat to escalate tariffs further if they do. Canada announced on Sunday that it would target American-made honey, tomatoes, whiskey and refrigerators. Before the one-month reprieve, Mexicos president had also said her country would respond.
Foreign officials have been frustrated that Mr. Trumps metrics for having tariffs removed were subjective and vague. He had expanded his goals in recent days, saying that countries would also need to reduce their trade surpluses with the United States, in addition to action on drugs and migrants.
Asked on Monday what Mr. Trudeau could offer the United States in order to forestall tariffs, Mr. Trump answered: I don't know. We have big deficits with Canada, like we do with all countries.
Some have implied that Mr. Trumps real goal is to shift the blame for domestic problems to foreign countries.
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Ms. Sheinbaum said in a social media post on Saturday that if the United States really wanted to address drug issues, it should look to internal measures. It could combat fentanyl sales on its streets, address money laundering or start a campaign to prevent drug consumption, she wrote.
Others have contended that Mr. Trumps motives may be more about sending political signals to his supporters, rather than really affecting drugs, migrants or trade.
Heather Hurlburt, a former Biden administration trade official, said at an event at the Council on Foreign Relations in January that signaling in politics was the single most important purpose of tariffs.
This is a signaling game, she said.
Economic research published last year found that Mr. Trumps tariffs in his first term had not accomplished his stated aims of increasing manufacturing jobs, but that they had still benefited the president politically, by winning over voters for the Republican Party.
Ms. Hurlburt said that after Mr. Trumps first term, it was duly noted across the political spectrum that tariffs had been incredibly effective in getting people to pay attention.
If you want to signal to the public that you are taking on issue X, why or Z, tariffs are now an irresistible way to do it, she said.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2979697]What really happened is that Biden had this brain dead idea that if he funded a few of his favored AI companies, he could control them and all of AI. I did not say that. Marc Andreessen did on Joe Rogan. The one thing that AI companies do not need is government capital. Wall Street has been shoveling it to them in droves.
Thing is Andreessen flipped on the Dems and went Trump once he saw a Soviet style approach to AI. Now that China has produced a good product for far less than what American AI companies did, it looks like the AI companies did very little if any good work and just pocketed the money Biden was throwing at them. [/QUOTE] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Is that why your Fuhrer, is throwing $500 Billion dollar in AI investments at the grovelling "3-Tech Bros"?
So like you, I find Rogan very funny, comedic and a very entertaining talking-head, if I have 5 to 10 minutes to a spare on such tomfoolery. But unlike you, I don't watch Rogan for my education on said matters. But you do you!
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2979697]Despite what the European snob said, Chinese cars are higher quality than European and American ones. They did not used to be. So kudos on getting that one right.
As for American car companies competing, you can only compete when there is a level or near level playing ground. Chinese cars are 50% cheaper to produce, and they can innovate for 10% of the cost of American companies and innovate more quickly.
No one can compete with those conditions.[/QUOTE] What a cop-out! Is that just your right-wing MAGA defeatist rhetoric talking, w/r to America competing with China? Again you're wrong on nobody being about to compete with China. Countries like Korea, Vietnam and India are producing their own EVs/PHEVs/Hybrids and competing.
[LIST][i] Right-Wing Woke is alive and well. NYT: [b] "Trump Is Going Woke"[/b], Jan 28, 2024
"Trump's right-wing wokeism impugning electric vehicles (EVs) and renewable energy because they don't conform to MAGA ideology and aren't manly enough is as devoid of common sense and not remotely in the national interest as any left-wing cultural wokeism."
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"Most important: [b]If Trump's all-in-on-fossil-fuels, drill, baby, drill rallying cry at the dawn of this era of artificial intelligence, electric vehicles, batteries and autonomous cars really becomes our strategy,[/b] it will not make America great again. But it will definitely help make China great again." [/i] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/opinion/deepseek-ai-trump.html[/url][/LIST]
With idiots and clowns like Trump/Repub admin, saddling Americans, with tariffs and "drill baby drill" asinine policies, is the reason the right-wing woke MAGA gullible, think the U.S. CANNOT compete!
But you are right about the quality and innovation of Chinese EVs/Hybrids/PHEVs and tech, currently being better than many of our American EVs or our European snobs.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2979747]I know China sell more and more and not only cars, in EU and USA, but not meaning because of quality. In Germany, when administration support fell for electric cars, Germans then buy much less electric cars, showing they only buy when not expensive, otherwise they prefer thermic cars. [/QUOTE]As indicated in the 2030 Climate Action Programme (€130 billion funding), the government in Germany strives to enlarge the number of EVs to 10 million and charging stations to 1 million on German roads by 2030. Yes, unfortunately, due to budget constraints, the program ended 1 year earlier in 2023, than was planned. Only €10 billion were used in EV tax credits and incentives. It's a good start, but a long way yet to go.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2979747]When You love cars, You don t drive electric cars, but at least 6 cylinders engine. When batteries pollute a lot and not lasting long, don t forget our earth turn and what happen in China and USA is above our heads daily, also polluting our air abroad. [/QUOTE] Yeah Whatever! Please no more lies about batteries!
But the way I see it, when you love cars and love OUR PLANT, you'll EMBRACE all manners of viable energy and transportation solutions, that makes for COMMON SENSE, depending on your NEEDS and geo-economical situation. Currently there is no one solution fits all, but rest assured, "electrification" of transportation is becoming the better solution for many modes of transportation and cars.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2979747]On the other hand, when You buy a quality thermic car, use your brain to power with from agriculture gas, like french E85 , keeping your car for at least 10 years and 300000 kms, then You have a real car, not just a slow bus and You pollute less than electric cars production and which won t last long. I much prefer my V8 Audi built in Ingolstadt. De I powered with french E85 , more powerful and 0% pollution on technical control, than being fucked by shameful Musk or China. [/QUOTE]
What now? [i]..."Use your brain"[/i] and what...then use ethanol? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Is that your best argument? Next you'll be telling me, to [i]"use your brains"[/i] and fuel up your vehicle, using hydrogen (H2).
There are so many things wrong with that E85 statement, it makes me wonder do you really know of what you speak? And while E85 may be a slightly cleaner fuel and makes more power output, than regular gasoline, burning E85 DOES NOT produce 0% pollutant in emissions and you still have to burn 10-12% more fuel, to cover the same distance, verses using regular standard gasoline. So ethanol, it's not as efficient as you claim.
I would love to see this proof. [u]Please provide proof this so called [i][b]"0% pollution on technical control"[/b][/i] of yours![/u]
If ICE vehicles are so much better in quality, please tell me why ICE manufacturers only provide a Powertrain/Drivetrain Warranty Coverage of 60 months/60,000 miles? Meanwhile EV manufacturers provide a [i][b]10 years/100,000 miles[/b][/i], while its 155,000 miles on the Mercedes-Benz EQS.
BTW, the latest generations of EV batteries and EV electric motors, not only coming out of China and Korea, have much better/longer warranties, because they are confident of the QUALITY and LONGEVITY of their products.
So again, if ICE manufacturers are so confident of the quality of their products, I'd like to see them try and match the warranty on China's CATL launched new EV battery (Apr 3, 2024) with close to [i][b]One (1) million miles, 15-year lifespan warranty.[/b][/i] [URL]https://electrek.co/2024/04/03/catl-launches-new-ev-battery-last-1-million-miles-15-yrs/ [/URL]
So if you're gonna argue against EVs, trying making some better arguments and not these lame duck fossil fuel excuses, that ICE vehicle pundits have been trying to make for years.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980372][i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Is that why your Fuhrer, is throwing $500 Billion dollar in AI investments at the grovelling "3-Tech Bros"?[/QUOTE][URL]https://apnews.com/article/trump-ai-openai-oracle-softbank-son-altman-ellison-be261f8a8ee07a0623d4170397348c41[/URL]
Trump got a commitment from private enterprise to spend $500 billion in Texas. Why are you griping about that?
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980372]So like you, I find Rogan very funny, comedic and a very entertaining talking-head, if I have 5 to 10 minutes to a spare on such tomfoolery. But unlike you, I don't watch Rogan for my education on said matters. But you do you![/QUOTE]Thanks for admitting that when Rachel Maddow has a guest on with her show, you only listen to her and not her guest. That explains a lot.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980372]Is that just your right-wing MAGA defeatist rhetoric talking, w/r to America competing with China? Again you're wrong on nobody being about to compete with China. Countries like Korea, Vietnam and India are producing their own EVs/PHEVs/Hybrids and competing.[/QUOTE]South Korea has partnerships with China. Average hourly wage for auto worker in China, Vietnam, and India is less than $7 an hour compared to $38 in the USA, and you had Biden pushing for higher wages to boot. So enlighten me, Spidy, how is voting Democrat going to fix that wage gap? And you brag about not answering my questions.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980372]S"Most important: If Trump's all-in-on-fossil-fuels, drill, baby, drill rallying cry at the dawn of this era of artificial intelligence, electric vehicles, batteries and autonomous cars really becomes our strategy, it will not make America great again. But it will definitely help make China great again."
With idiots and clowns like Trump/Repub admin, saddling Americans, with tariffs and "drill baby drill" asinine policies, is the reason the right-wing woke MAGA gullible, think the U.S. CANNOT compete![/QUOTE]I would rather read quotes from Stalin or Hitler than Thomas fucking Friedman. The first time I heard Friedman complain about drill baby drill was around 2005. He was making fun of drilling for oil and gas as an uncivilized ancient and stupid technology. Since then, American oil and gas production has soared making us trillions of dollars, and this fucking moron still thinks he is right making fun of drilling. He is a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980372]But you are right about the quality and innovation of Chinese EVs/Hybrids/PHEVs and tech, currently being better than many of our American EVs or our European snobs.[/QUOTE]Yes, but that is not really the issue. What is the issue is not falling behind in AI. AI trained fighter pilots are beating our best pilots right now. AI is going to rule everything, and we need to double our electrical output and get our industrial base back to compete.
So I will answer the question that you will not. How do you compete when workers in China make less than $7 an hour and those in the USA are $38 an hour? You do not have any workers. You produce the whole car with robots using AI and we can do it cheaper than China because our electrical costs are less and you know why? Because of drill, baby, drill!
You Democratic douches and your dumb shit windmills and solar panels good and oil and gas bad make me sick. You dummies think there is a choice. We need it all: solar, wind, gas, oil, nuclear, and everything to compete. You all need to wake up!
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980384]
There are so many things wrong with that E85 statement, it makes me wonder do you really know of what you speak? And while E85 may be a slightly cleaner fuel and makes more power output, than regular gasoline, burning E85 DOES NOT produce 0% pollutant in emissions and you still have to burn 10-12% more fuel, to cover the same distance, verses using regular standard gasoline. So ethanol, it's not as efficient as you claim.[/QUOTE]You are right.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980384]If ICE vehicles are so much better in quality, please tell me why ICE manufacturers only provide a Powertrain/Drivetrain Warranty Coverage of 60 months/60,000 miles? Meanwhile EV manufacturers provide a [i][b]10 years/100,000 miles[/b][/i], while its 155,000 miles on the Mercedes-Benz EQS.
BTW, the latest generations of EV batteries and EV electric motors, not only coming out of China and Korea, have much better/longer warranties, because they are confident of the QUALITY and LONGEVITY of their products.[/QUOTE]That is good too.
Now address how our grids cannot handle everyone having an electric car, the constraints on lithium production, and charging times on EV. Those hurdles have to be overcome before EVs are more than a novelty.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2980384]As indicated in the 2030 Climate Action Programme (130 billion funding), the government in Germany strives to enlarge the number of EVs to 10 million and charging stations to 1 million on German roads by 2030. Yes, unfortunately, due to budget constraints, the program ended 1 year earlier in 2023, than was planned. Only 10 billion were used in EV tax credits and incentives. It's a good start, but a long way yet to go.
Yeah Whatever! Please no more lies about batteries!
But the way I see it, when you love cars and love OUR PLANT, you'll EMBRACE all manners of viable energy and transportation solutions, that makes for COMMON SENSE, depending on your NEEDS and geo-economical situation. Currently there is no one solution fits all, but rest assured, "electrification" of transportation is becoming the better solution for many modes of transportation and cars.
What now? [i]..."Use your brain"[/i] and what...then use ethanol? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Is that your best argument? Next you'll be telling me, to [i]"use your brains"[/i] and fuel up your vehicle, using hydrogen (H2).
There are so many things wrong with that E85 statement, it makes me wonder do you really know of what you speak? And while E85 may be a slightly cleaner fuel and makes more power output, than regular gasoline, burning E85 DOES NOT produce 0% pollutant in emissions and you still have to burn 10-12% more fuel, to cover the same distance, verses using regular standard gasoline. So ethanol, it's not as efficient as you claim.
I would love to see this proof. [u]Please provide proof this so called [i][b]"0% pollution on technical control"[/b][/i] of yours![/u]
If ICE vehicles are so much better in quality, please tell me why ICE manufacturers only provide a Powertrain/Drivetrain Warranty Coverage of 60 months/60,000 miles? Meanwhile EV manufacturers provide a [i][b]10 years/100,000 miles[/b][/i], while its 155,000 miles on the Mercedes-Benz EQS.
BTW, the latest generations of EV batteries and EV electric motors, not only coming out of China and Korea, have much better/longer warranties, because they are confident of the QUALITY and LONGEVITY of their products.
So again, if ICE manufacturers are so confident of the quality of their products, I'd like to see them try and match the warranty on China's CATL launched new EV battery (Apr 3, 2024) with close to [i][b]One (1) million miles, 15-year lifespan warranty.[/b][/i] [URL]https://electrek.co/2024/04/03/catl-launches-new-ev-battery-last-1-million-miles-15-yrs/ [/URL]
So if you're gonna argue against EVs, trying making some better arguments and not these lame duck fossil fuel excuses, that ICE vehicle pundits have been trying to make for years.[/QUOTE]I don t know where your culture is from, but I remember all lies of China about covid. I don t trust this country. Not only about chinese cars, but all electric cars and Tesla and even now some Porsche, when You drive on motorway at 130/150 km / h, You will be able to go half distance, your electric car was told for, and don t You know batteries lose power quite fast and when cold. 10 years guaranty is just a joke, maybe then only able to go to buy the bread. And will You run after China when problem on your car, not respecting what your car was sold for. With my real car powered with E85 and yes, when I already drove 120000 kms with this gas, I was amazed for a powerful increased car to get CO2 result 0% on every 2 years technical control. I drive weekly very fast in Germany, aiming 300 km / h, seeing ridiculous Tesla who think they are fast, but only when starting from redlight, and I can go for 400 kms full speed with 5/10 mn to refuel, when electric cars worth only in towns traffic or to go to buy bread, with figures for how many possible kilometers are just a fake, and of course, chinese usual lies, when they are also known for human rights big respect. When Trump is scared of China, I m not, because I don t buy their products and I m not fucked by tok tok. If You don t buy chinese low quality products, You don t have to be scared. For me, only strength of China is they are nearly 5 times more numerous than USA, but not for their products quality, when we can t trust them, when they lie too much. Buying chinese products is supporting their no respect for human rights, like buying Russian products is supporting Russia when attacking Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2980188]With all his taxes, when he can t compete for quality, Trump may make real inflation for Americans. Trump is not king of the world and USA are less than 5% population.[/QUOTE]Is old Trump starting to understand he can t decide only on his own? Canada and Mexico are right to resist, when economics is not a casino.
We already know Trump won nothing but looking like a fumbling bumbling numbskull on the world stage when only his Cult Follower dumb Repub hillbilly suckers fell for his claim that he defeated the President of Colombia in some silly Trump-triggered game of tic tac toe.
Uh. The President of Colombia simply agreed to allow Numbskull Trump to continue doing something Biden had already been doing but in greater numbers and for far, far less in American tax-payer dollars than Trump was doing and spending. LOL. Victory!
And now those same suckers probably fell for the bullshit claim that Trump twisted Mexico and Canada's arms and forced them to agree to some brand new, BS Trump Brand new, border security conditions with his hilariously "menacing" monotone threat of Trump Tariff Tax Increases on the American Working Men and Women. LOL. Victory!
Uh. The deals they agreed to had already been negotiated by President Biden and those countries were already abiding by them:
[B]China hits back after new U.S. Tariffs take effect, as those against Mexico and Canada are paused[/B]
[URL]https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-and-canada-agree-to-bolster-us-border-security-in-return-for-tariff-pause-13302681[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]But it's not a new announcement. Look at the language - "are and will be". In other words, "we're doing this already Mr President, but if you want me to reiterate it to placate you, then I will" All that Justin Trudeau has done today is reiterate a border plan he announced last December.
Mexico too has been doing an increasing amount in the fight against fentanyl though it could and probably now will do more.[/b]
So has it all been theatre this past 24 hours?
A show of brinkmanship from Donald Trump, which could have had a cliff-edge ending, but instead ended with him looking strong, and freaking out much of the developed world in the process, and his closest neighbours forced to[b] reiterate their existing plans.[/b][/QUOTE]God only knows what kind of classic Repub blithering blathering fumbling bumbling Know Nothing, Do Nothing result Trump will fart out of his standoff with China.
But if it turns out similar to his previous fumbling bumbling failed Trade War with China results, expect Xi to win everything, deliver nothing and rake in as many global USA farm and manufacturing customers as he can stuff into his Christmas stocking while Trump issues emergency welfare checks to those industries just to keep them afloat.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2980435]Is old Trump starting to understand he can t decide only on his own? Canada and Mexico are right to resist, when economics is not a casino.[/QUOTE]Trump can't even decide with the help of those other World Leaders. Biden did all of the negotiating and deciding for these "Great, Grand and Glorious Tough Guy Trump Deals"! LOL.
Everyone at least minimally informed, including Leaders of countries Trump and his MAGAs consider "shithole" countries, know Trump was punked by the Leaders of Colombia, Canada and Mexico. And that he WILL get punked by Xi. Big Time. Although, as always, he and President Musk are more than willing and compliant "suckers" for anything China wants.
But other World Leaders have all tired of laughing at him. He is too obviously a ridiculous Know Nothing clown to inspire a big hearty laugh anymore. All of their newest laughs are for the 77.3 million numbskulls who actually fell for his creaky old con and voted for him, voted for some nothing Third Party candidate or didn't vote at all but could have voted for Harris.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2980503]but could have voted for Harris.[/QUOTE]Why would someone vote for an illegitimate candidate for [B]POTUS[/B]. And she was not ready for [U]Prime Time[/U]!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2980324]
Yes, China knows how to make cars. Considering the sheer number of joint ventures it has with Western and Japanese (and probably Korean) brands, it's capable of making some really good ones, no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]Do you feel smart regurgitating the facts I gave you? LOL. And the phrase "probably Korean" means you did not know jack shit about the subject. In fact, you were so sure American and European cars were better than Chinese ones. That was the whole point of the debate. You did not even know what a Chinese car is and you still do not.
The Chinese were way behind ten years ago. They pulled to even two years ago. According to the guy I know who owns car dealerships, they are ahead now and that fits the trajectory.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2980340]Do you own landfill stocks? Or are you just talking out of your ass again? 4 out of every 10 cars built in the world today are built in China so you should be raking it in then on your landfill stocks.
Stock in what? The Chinese-American partnerships? Nah, I am not interested in companies the CCCP can take over with a snap of their fingers.
As for loyalty, I would ask loyal to whom? The American car companies who gave away all their production secrets to the Chinese to have a crack at their market?
And by all means, let's keep score on your Democratic douche style virtue signaling. Please assign patriotism scores on buying a Buick built in China, a Chevy built in Korea, and on Hondas and Mercedes built in the USA.
And by all means, how does the poor sucker who bought the Chinese made Buick and thinking he was supporting 'Merica know where his vehicle was actually produced? Admit it. You do not know.
And how about getting up from behind your keyboard and telling the guy that bought the Chinese made Buick that by buying his vehicle, he is buying trash that will fill up a landfill, sucking the dick of the CCCP, and is not loyal / hates his home country? Are you doing that? Yeah, I did not think so.[/QUOTE]Nor would I apologize for being Anti Slavery to PURE EVIL Libertarians that love savages and slave labor.
Let's hear 3 Big Cheers for HUGE FUCKING Global Trade / Tariff War.
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You can thank our Our Lord and Savior and MAGA / Nationalist Populist voters globally!!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2980448] Thanks Joe and Kamla! We already know Trump won nothing but looking like a fumbling bumbling numbskull on the world stage[/QUOTE]LOL. This is how the Italians portrayed Biden: [URL]https://x.com/endwokeness/status/1761552726570188957?mx=2[/URL].
And this is how Jill Biden mocked Kamala Harris: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxCq6WZH7M[/URL].
As for Trump, he just slapped down the leaders of three nations on immigration. He is also going to go back to NATO and do what he did before: get Europe to spend more and us to spend less.
And let's go back to some other Democratic douche whining:
"Just last week, Trump FIRED the heads of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the Coast Guard, and disbanded the Aviation Security Advisory Committee," one X post read. The Associated Press reported Jan. 21 that Trump fired those heads and removed all members of the committee.
Another X post read, "On your 2ND DAY, you 1. Fired the head of the Transportation Security Administration, 2. Fired the entire Aviation Security Advisory Committee, 3. Froze hiring of all Air Traffic Controllers, 4. Fired 100 top FAA security officers. ".
Bill Maher had some fun with this as well. And yet, there is this, [URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/did-trumps-firing-of-aviation-officials-contribute-to-the-d-c-crash-experts-say-its-unlikely[/URL].
There was simply too little time less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in for any of his broadly worded executive orders to have had an effect, experts said.
OTOH, there was Trump telling the truth. The Blackhawk helicopter was flying way above the 200 foot limit. He asked, that is not too complicated to understand, is it?
And now we know who the pilot was flying the helicopter, [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-army-identifies-female-black-hawk-pilot-dc-jet-crash[/URL].
And there are photos of her in the Biden White House being a social aide and answering questions from the media yucking it up. Rumors abound that she was gay but her social media accounts were scrubbed after her name was released.
But what we do know is the woman who crashed a Blackhawk helicopter into a passenger jet killing everyone is that she was a star in the Biden White House.
So we have crashing a helicopter, a SS outfit so incompetent it let Trump get shot, Jill Biden making fun of Kamala, and Biden bumbling around on stage. And you are trying to convince us those were our nation's glory days, Loony Tooms? Get the fuck out of here!
Trump put 10% tax, China put back 15% . Such a loser casino player.