Angeles City

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1753202]Both girls were mensing and not available but was about to send an inexperienced friend over. In my mind if I had been a cheap Charlie I doubt they would have referred someone.[/QUOTE]Okie dokie, that's a decent example.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1753202]On another note or report I have been busy with a couple girls these past few days. I know there are people here saying don't ever send money. Well on 2 different occasions lately before coming here I sent P2,000 to one girl and P3,000 to another. Both girls of course were in dire need of funds. I got a promise from each that I would get a boom boom for each 1 k upon arrival. Shit each girl fucked the hell out of me like never before. I am getting ready for the final payment from one now. [/QUOTE]If they fucked you like never before then this is another example.

If I may ask one more question: what amount do you define as an above-average tip?

I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

[QUOTE=XMan;1752771]I'm not convinced that a bigger tip means better service. I think there are too many other factors that come into play.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I very much agree with you. Of course each girl has several motivations. Certainly how pressing her immediate need for money will weigh in her mind. Next would be availability of the next customer. And of course rapport & chemistry are important, if not the most important. If you both genuinely enjoy each other's company I think it trumps everything else unless she has some large expenses and has a known big-speeding punter huffing and puffing for her time and attention.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1753349]Okie dokie, that's a decent example.

If they fucked you like never before then this is another example.

If I may ask one more question: what amount do you define as an above-average tip?

I appreciate you taking the time to reply.[/QUOTE]I like to average 1 K per pop. Example is if the BF is 1500 and I get 3 pops I will tip her 1500. I will tell them up front a tip of 500 per pop. I haven't had any need to to take out any fields girls (higher BF) for quite some time. Matter of fact I haven't BF any new girls on my own other than the ones chosen for me by a current bg.

Sometimes a girl will stop by before or after work and even on their day off for one or two pops and I will pay them 1 k per pop plus transportation. Many of the girls ride the jeepney and will hand back 100 peso note and say "no honey I ride jeepney, only 8 pesos". The only time they ask for P100 is if they live in Dau or Hensonville or it is really late at night and they don't feel safe riding the jeepney.

I am happy with my price point of 1 k per pop and for me there is no need to negotiate it down. To answer your question how I define above average tip? I use the average as stated by others here of P300 to P500 per night.

Tipping is a lost art these days. At some point we can discuss the art of tipping and the delivery of it.

[QUOTE=Canute;1753237]Do you keep phone numbers of girls from previous trips? Do you keep regular phone contact with them so some can ask you money if they need it?

In a previous post you had said something about looking forward to seven contacts in Perimeter bars. Are these from previous encounters?

I am a newbie and ask these questions with respect, so perhaps I can also duplicate some experiences. It makes sense to tip generously if one expects to see them in future trips.

Any help you give, will be gratefully appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yes I maintain contact by Facebook messenger, Viber and even iMessage. I don't maintain contact for the purpose of them asking for money. Just for social contact. Occasionally someone does need money. They all know I fuck around because I tell them that up front and that I will not lie to them. To maintain a friendship you must have a respect for them. I understand they have to do what they have to do to survive. Most of us have never gone a few days hungry nor do we have the family structure of "all for the family", therefore it is hard to relate.

I have found my needs are met with the previous perimeter bg. Actually more than met with the referrals of co-workers, friends and family.

I don't think I tip generously but in comparison to what is posted here one might assume that. I on the other hand feel the "suggested" tipping rates are cheap Charlie's. My price point is to average 1 k per pop including tips. Transportation is extra on top of that.

Have a great time. Please feel welcomed to PM me.

I think that in my case my generous tipping helps, but as dg8787 writes, each person is different and has a different game plan. I have received far better service on my rare repeats, and on several occasions ended up with LT instead of ST that same night after the gratuity was delivered. The latter were in Thailand. I believe that in AC the girls are more restricted by the bars. Certainly some of it could be from other factors, like maybe I seem like a total dick in the bar and she finds out differently in the bed: That would explain the LT, but not why one night later she changed from average to awesome.

The irony is that I loathe LT and rarely like repeats, so if the tipping improvement theory is true I am actually paying to punish myself.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1753511]The irony is that I loathe LT and rarely like repeats, so if the tipping improvement theory is true I am actually paying to punish myself.[/QUOTE]*That's* funny.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1753202]For those that don't tip or tip low because they are not getting any value for it, then keep your game plan. There is nothing I can tell you that will change your results.[/QUOTE]Well put. I'm one of the 'jeep-only' tippers, and get my share of repeats. If you are happy with your results, don't stop.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1753436]I like to average 1 K per pop. Example is if the BF is 1500 and I get 3 pops I will tip her 1500. I will tell them up front a tip of 500 per pop. I haven't had any need to to take out any fields girls (higher BF) for quite some time. Matter of fact I haven't BF any new girls on my own other than the ones chosen for me by a current bg.[/QUOTE]That's a novel way of tipping, and I think it has its merit. Certainly it can keep her motivated. I'm glad I pushed you to explain it a bit.

One thing a bit unclear to me is are you no longer bar fining girls? Or by your "current bg" choosing girls are you still paying it, but not to the bar? By removing the bar fine collecting middle man from the calculation the girl ends up with more money in her pocket, which is great.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1753565]That's a novel way of tipping, and I think it has its merit. Certainly it can keep her motivated. I'm glad I pushed you to explain it a bit.

One thing a bit unclear to me is are you no longer bar fining girls? Or by your "current bg" choosing girls are you still paying it, but not to the bar? By removing the bar fine collecting middle man from the calculation the girl ends up with more money in her pocket, which is great.[/QUOTE]I have not been BF lately. Just hooking up before or after their shift or on their days off. In some cases when I want someone new a bg will send a new BF girl over to my room on credit and I will pay her along with her tip and she in turn will pay the bar the BF. At times I will go in a certain bar and tip the certain momma san P500 as she is missing out on her commission. I want to maintain a good relationship with her. She has referred me some better than decent girls.

I do not try to circumvent the bar. It is the girls who make the proposal to stop by on their off hours. And at times I do pay a BF to see them or they will text me to come BF them that day, which I do BF if I have time to see them.

Basically that is my game plan. Not very complex.

Just finished a 5 day trip to Angeles. Introduced another board friend to the in and outs of AC. He also showed me his freelancer High Society style pickup.

We shared some interesting stories and theories about how stuff works. He also had this idea that tipping was required. Oh god not this again.

Super simple answer that applies to everyone. If it makes you happy to tip in Angeles City, do so. Otherwise don't. Anyone that tells you one way or the other that tipping does one thing or another only has anecdotal evidence. And someone else has other evidence to prove the exact opposite.

If it makes you happy to throw money into the air at the bars, do it.

My friend received late night messages asking to meet someplace outside. By a girl he had bar fined several times before. Nope nope nope.

If she's interested in meeting you for a payday. She would be more than happy to meet at your hotel. If she's at work, at her bar, not some other location!

Anyway. Monger safe. Monger happy.

Just got boots on the ground at the ABC Hotel; after a quick run for my preferred champagne and an HDMI cable so I can pipe my music through the room, I'm going to just skip right to the popular bars tonight; I plan to see the whole scape of AC services rendered. Send me a PM if you want to hang; I check this regularly enough that if I don't see it tonight, I'll definitely connect with you to hang tomorrow. Also, if there's a place nearby that sells Vitamin V or Kam Jelly, that'd be dope; I feel like my dick is going to need some backup once I find what I want.

[QUOTE=JustSeven;1753994]Just finished a 5 day trip to Angeles. Introduced another board friend to the in and outs of AC. He also showed me his freelancer High Society style pickup.

We shared some interesting stories and theories about how stuff works. He also had this idea that tipping was required. Oh god not this again.

Super simple answer that applies to everyone. If it makes you happy to tip in Angeles City, do so. Otherwise don't. Anyone that tells you one way or the other that tipping does one thing or another only has anecdotal evidence. And someone else has other evidence to prove the exact opposite.

If it makes you happy to throw money into the air at the bars, do it.

My friend received late night messages asking to meet someplace outside. By a girl he had bar fined several times before. Nope nope nope.

If she's interested in meeting you for a payday. She would be more than happy to meet at your hotel. If she's at work, at her bar, not some other location!

Anyway. Monger safe. Monger happy.[/QUOTE]Bargirls freelancing without barfine is frowned upon by bars. It is mostly the mamasans who miss out. But plenty of girls do it. So what if they get caught. There are plenty of bars to work at.

Other freelancers are usually former bargirls who for one reason or another do not work in bars. Another trend lately is some outside girls bringing their friends and cousins and showing them the easy way to make money in AC.

I know couple of girls like that. They will get girls for me. These were previous bargirls.

As for tipping it was introduced by westerners. I remember 10 years ago barfine was around 800 pesos and nobody tipped.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1754024] So what if they get caught. There are plenty of bars to work at.

[/QUOTE]I had a girl tell me that worked at Crystal Palace that if she got fired from that bar she could not work at any Dollhouse group bars. She said there are two groups that own the most popular bars. I can't remember the name of the 2nd group. The girls know which bars they can make the most money. There are plenty of bars for them to work. But getting in trouble in one bar can get them banned from working in a few bars, if they are owned by the same ownership ship group.

Dollhouse group bars:

CLUB ATLANTIS.

CRYSTAL PALACE.

CLUB ASIA.

PONY TAILS.

DOLLHOUSE.

TROPIX BAR

[QUOTE=Ej2208;1754173]Dollhouse group bars:

CLUB ATLANTIS. CRYSTAL PALACE.CLUB ASIA. PONY TAILS..DOLLHOUSE.TROPIX BAR[/QUOTE]Dollhouse fee 3000 to take one of their dolls out. Question: are all others price in this group the same?

Never read anything on steady barfines, one of my regulars has just informed me.

40 k will provide me with never needing to pay her barfine again, she explained 20 k for the bar 20 k for her, which she receives after 2 weeks.

Does any members have any knowledge on this subject?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1754177]Dollhouse fee 3000 to take one of their dolls out. Question: are all others price in this group the same?[/QUOTE]Try this link its a little outdated. I know ponytails is below 3 K.

[URL]http://www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php[/URL]