German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=MrHo;2479933]Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL![/QUOTE]You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2480089]The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.[/QUOTE]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480366]Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?

Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.[/QUOTE]During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480439]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.[/QUOTE]You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.

There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.

If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.

Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers.

There are ways to do this activity in the USA That costs a lot of money but generates zero risk of arrest and exposure. The hassle is the money and the uncertainty of the services that will be provided. When you really are buying time and companionship, the sex is legal, but by definition uncertain.

But USA Law enforcement thanks you for perpetuating the types of myths that exist. And there is no shortage of lower-priced sex transactions outside the realm of legal safety for it to make arrests. Lots of no-screening ads, massage parlors out in the open, and street walkers.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480439]Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.[/QUOTE]Risk, like many other things, falls somewhere between 0% and 100%, right?! 100% being total ruin. I am not saying it is 0% but the question is what is an acceptable amount and what is the trade off you are willing to accept.

Say, for example, the next time you are in a FKK. A fire breaks out and you are half burnt. The news is shown globally, you may be caught on TV as you are rescued. Your spouse and co workers come to know. Or, some other accident or even a fight happens and you are caught in the middle and again your wife knows about it back home. It is not a 100% risk but it is most definitely not 0% either. You just think it is low enough and are wiling to accept it for the sake of pleasure you are obtaining in the club.

In the paragraph below, I did not say all the sugarbabe meets are 0% risk. What I was referring to very specifically was meeting with girls who were already my existing sugar babes and with who I had some connection and sex in the past. If you meet such a girl for a dinner and then move onto sex at a hotel room later, you are hardly making any reference to any sex discussion, money discussion because both parties know what to expect.

Generally, to the extent possible, I try not to have sex on the first day I meet these sugar babes. That is me.

You are right, it is unpleasant to even contemplate the risks we have in US in such situations, but in my view, the risk can be managed with some common sense on our part and general precautions. As Mongerer88 said, generally sting operations are quite rare and if you saty below the radar and be sensible and have your wits about you, you don't need to be totally celibate in the US.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480569]You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.

There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.

If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.

Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers..[/QUOTE]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480493]During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.[/QUOTE]So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2480425]You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL![/QUOTE]I had many Brazilian tutes in Lausanne, but yeah never been to their homeland as it is right opposite of me geographically, but I will be there as pussy takes me around world LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480615]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.[/QUOTE]On those points we agree. I am fortunate to have a group of escorts I see regularly who fall more into the category you describe, at least in private. In fact, I was discussing a favorite travel destination with one of them and she wanted to make sure the sex workers took female customers since she is very bi and sometimes purchases sex herself when a pickup is not available. She has an enormous network of escorts where she works and they apparently regularly have sex with each other. My kind of girl.

I think the escort scene in the USA Is losing talent to the Sugar Baby scene. Not entirely, but enough to matter. But just like several of us were posting about the New York City multi-girl incall (essentially brothel) scene that once existed but is now gone, a person has to adapt to the never ending changes. Hopefully, the German FKK scene never changes, but it could. That ridiculous German politician who once practiced medicine, I think his name is Karl, harps constantly about Trafficking in the legal German system. Of course he is full of shit, but if there are ever any changes to the German legal situation, everyone will have to go with the flow. Commercial sex would still be available, but the mechanism to obtain it would be different.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480660]So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?[/QUOTE]In France, before You had to give of your time to french army and we were tested. My diary is here, to practice English which relax me like when I find somebody, most often escorts, to speak Russian. But I don t like Romanian language, when German is funny.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2480615]M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.

It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.[/QUOTE]Sorry, you were replying to Mongerer88 and I am interjecting. First of all, welcome to the married guys club on ISG. I suspect many more members are married but keeping it quiet. And I agree with you in that the whole FKK atmosphere is quite exciting. The late night loud music, the dancing, drinks flowing, girls fucked half a dozen times already for the day and yet keeping their chin up to gin up more business, chatting up guys from all over the world and comparing notes on the girls we had fucked or want to fuck, the tits and ass show. I miss all of that dearly. Many a time, after a couple of cums and on the 4th day of a 5 or 6 day FKK trip, I felt like wrapping it up for the day and heading to the hotel only to be tempted to get back into the lounge from the showers and sat my bum down and before I know it, the dozens of naked girls and the flirting and them begging me to fuck albeit for money, somehow gets me in the mood again and my little friend stands at full mast and voila one more room. I guess Mr Sirioja calls it "emptying balls" but I am mighty proud and happy to have one more shot at such emptying LOL.

As for the other things you say: yes, sugar babies are not for everyone. There is a fair amount of work to be done and it is a hit and miss. But if you are not constantly looking to replace your sugar babes and happy with a handful of mistresses or fuck buddies then it is easily doable with some effort. Collect a few, and meet them occasionally. No, you don't need to do shopping trips and constant texting and all that other stuff. Look, it is a one to one relationship and you structure it the way you want: sex for a couple of hours a few times a month is a very common arrangement. They call it NSA IE no strings attached. When you are together you are together otherwise you lead your own lives. That is what I do.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2479853]Totally agree with you on this. I had so much fun at many Miami clubs (Tootsie, and others I forgot names), Spearmint Rhinos in Vegas and LA areas, Tropical Lei in east of LA, Mitchell Brothers in SF etc etc up until about 10-12 years ago. All were full service, most cases inside the club discreetly and some cases OTC, if you are good with the girls. I even got few total freebies from few US strippers over the time. Alas, gone are those days.

BTW, you can try GT in Vienna right now. They are fully open normal (not much Covid scare in Austria now), and average quality is pretty good, no too fat with cottage cheese, mostly 18-25 slim and few really beautiful faces, mostly good personalities too.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

It really sucks US Strip Clubs have fallen off the map. They're slowly getting rid of them entirely or turning into fancy sports bars or fancy clubs. It's not entirely their fault either, younger generations just don't seem to care as much.

Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).

Denmark.

Italy.

France.

Poland.

Slovakia.

Hungary.

Slovenia.

Tier 3 (Bottom).

Croatia.

Serbia.

Macedonia.

Bulgaria.

Ireland.

Estonia.

Lithuania.

Latvia.

Cyprus.

Bosnia.

Norway.

Sweden.

Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2480693]Tier 1 (Top).

Germany.

Austria.

Switzerland.

Spain.

Portugal.

UK.

Netherlands.

Belgium.

Czechia.

Greece.

Tier 2 (Medium).[/QUOTE]I disagree about Cyprus and particularly in Limassol. Some high class stunning Russian escorts to meet there in reasonable prices. I would also add Poland and Italy in Tier 1, Polish girls are incredible.

It depends what you name tier1, if it is young, fresh, and natural beauties all the countries are tier3. The big split is between legal or not, when it is illegal I don t go. At the end of the end what matters for me is to find young, natural and fresh beauties with no tattoo, sili, Botox, hair extension, with silk skin. No smoking which is more or less impossible to find except with some semi pro doing escort with agencies. Sometimes I see guys paying to fuck 35+ old woman, really so so I am wondering why they do this, it is possible to fuck them without paying in the real life. How many times I was at Shark at evening when there is BBQ outside, under the sunshine I can t find 1 girl matching my requests and still the guys are going with them, sex with a prostitute is never better than with a normal girl, if on top of that she is not very beautiful why should I spend my money. For me only beauty matters.