Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1728183]Here is Lou32's post in the Philippines forum.

Lou, you may want to read FLHawk's recent summary of his Pattaya trip. He had a frustrating time the first couple of nights and it turned around.

Lou can clarify for us but I have a feeling the "scams" are related to Pattaya costing so much more, especially in the gogos.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Some of my best trips have also started out a bit sour -- I even ended up going home alone my first night last trip. Though I had some fun making out with a hottie at Destiny I was unready to pay the astronomical high season BF. But the trip quickly rebounded. I met up with my regular for a fun New Year's Eve, took home a couple of cute BR girls, scored an hot FL at I-bar and ended up meeting a new regular who is super cute and a tigress in bed.

Lou, you should listen to Banana Boi. Adjust your expectations, relax and RTFF for info.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1716913]So I stop for a beer at a very open bar, open on 2 corners and sit upfront waiting for something to catch my eye. [/QUOTE]I am guessing the Spider Girl Bar. Let me know when you are in Pattaya next, I wouldn't mind having a beer with you and swapping stories. My next trip is Aug-Sep, so 8 or so weeks away.

[QUOTE=JoseMarcia;1690742]I have been with Eden girls for about 10 times. Based on that experience.

If you are at their place, it is very mechanical. I never enjoyed there.

On the other hand, I email them at least a day earlier with my preferences, and they send me great girls. My norm is to ask them from 11 PM, and the girls stay all night. At the hotel, it is NOT mechanical at all. On three occasions, I even asked them to send only one girl to my hotel, and the experience was great as well.[/QUOTE]Agree that if you find the right girls they are not mechanical and 11 PM booking is a great tip! Must try this out.

Any girls that you would recommend at Eden please?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1728183]Here is Lou32's post in the Philippines forum.

Lou, you may want to read FLHawk's recent summary of his Pattaya trip. He had a frustrating time the first couple of nights and it turned around.

Lou can clarify for us but I have a feeling the "scams" are related to Pattaya costing so much more, especially in the gogos.[/QUOTE]To be fair, this only happened at the Sapphire gogo so its not like I'm being scammed at every turn in Pattaya.

As a newbie (who RTFF by the way) I was pressured to pay upfront. It all seemed to be SOP and the worst I expected was a typical mechanical performance from a clockwatching girl. What I didn't expect is a fake ID and a runner before even entering the room!

Lesson learned. Eyes wide open now!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1728244]Good advice. Some of my best trips have also started out a bit sour -- I even ended up going home alone my first night last trip. Though I had some fun making out with a hottie at Destiny I was unready to pay the astronomical high season BF. But the trip quickly rebounded. I met up with my regular for a fun New Year's Eve, took home a couple of cute BR girls, scored an hot FL at I-bar and ended up meeting a new regular who is super cute and a tigress in bed.

Lou, you should listen to Banana Boi. Adjust your expectations, relax and RTFF for info.[/QUOTE]I've been in Pattaya since Saturday but I haven't been with any girl yet (except for lackluster visits to Bliss BJ Bar and a dinky massage parlor). Why?

This first trip has been terrible so far but I blame myself. I only came to Thailand because I was returning to the Philippines (which is heaven to me because I am obsessed with Pinays). I figured "Pattaya is Destination #1 so I might as well check it out". Looking at pictures of Thai women online and videos I realized that they are NOT very attractive to me. The ones who were attractive either looked like Filipinas or darker skinned Korean women. I know that I'm in the minority but that's just my preference. So now that I'm here I realize I should have gone with my gut feeling and skipped the trip. Being here and seeing these women face to face did NOT improve their looks.

Now there are a lot of pretty Thai ladies who aren't 4000 baht short time gogo girls. Unfortunately, they are almost always men. This is a situation that I think is unique to Thailand. Yes, trannys are in every city but not to the ridiculous degree that I've seen here in Pattaya. But things are looking up because in a few short days this nightmare can end and I escape to Angeles to start my REAL vacation.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1728133]In the Angeles City Thread you wrote about many scams. So could you explain to us in which scams you have been involved in Pattaya? Because reading the forum it seems that the scams are much more common with freelancers in AC! I go to Thailand since 2006 (Samui, Phuket, Pattaya and Bangkok) and I never had any problem with scams.[/QUOTE]I overstated the point when I wrote scams (plural). The only outright scam I've encountered was a 2000 baht lesson at Sapphire Agogo. Otherwise its just the usual price gouging that you'd find in any tourist city. I am surprised by how expensive Pattaya is since all I've read is about how inexpensive it is compared to other cities. It would probably help if I spoke or at least understood Thai. I stand out really, really easy as a farang sucker, LOL!

[QUOTE=TellAll;1727982]If you can't have fun in Pattaya and think Angeles is better, you need to check your compass.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I know that I am the odd man out about this but so far at least, Pattaya sucks when it comes to P4 P. I wouldn't tell other guys not to come here though because I'm sure 998 out of the next 1000 first time male visitors to this town will have a blast. I just happen to be one of those two OTHER guys. I'm in a good mood now though because I get to escape to Angeles at the end of the week!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728396]I've been in Pattaya since Saturday but I haven't been with any girl yet (except for lackluster visits to Bliss BJ Bar and a dinky massage parlor). Why?

This first trip has been terrible so far but I blame myself. I only came to Thailand because I was returning to the Philippines (which is heaven to me because I am obsessed with Pinays). I figured "Pattaya is Destination #1 so I might as well check it out". Looking at pictures of Thai women online and videos I realized that they are NOT very attractive to me. The ones who were attractive either looked like Filipinas or darker skinned Korean women. I know that I'm in the minority but that's just my preference. So now that I'm here I realize I should have gone with my gut feeling and skipped the trip. Being here and seeing these women face to face did NOT improve their looks.

Now there are a lot of pretty Thai ladies who aren't 4000 baht short time gogo girls. Unfortunately, they are almost always men. This is a situation that I think is unique to Thailand. Yes, trannys are in every city but not to the ridiculous degree that I've seen here in Pattaya. But things are looking up because in a few short days this nightmare can end and I escape to Angeles to start my REAL vacation.[/QUOTE]Lou32,

You may be the first man maybe in history to not have a good time in Pattaya. If you are having a bad time I would say that is your own fault and no one else's. There is enough info on ISG on Pattaya that maybe you just did not read. Also Thailand is the one place that you do not need to be able to speak Thai. With 1000's of cheap bar girls everywhere from 500-1000 baht short time. You go to the agogo. Most of the agogo girls are professional hustlers. They take your money and want to cum ASAP so they can get bad to the club to get another chump. But, to be fair most of the a gogo girls are not all that bad compared to other countries and yes many agogo girls want you to pay up front. They will have the I don't give the shit attitude that they will not go with you if you do not pay upfront. Next a gogo girls are very expensive. Usually, like 2000 baht short time plus like 700 bar fine. To all the guys that always insist on not being a cheap charlie I highly suggest always going with a-gogo girls.

But, anyway. Once you learn your way around Pattaya it truly is heaven on earth. But, be careful heaven can turn into hell very fast if you forget the golden rule. That is its all a fantasy and not real. That sentence will make sense after you understand Thailand. But, Thai woman besides they beauty are incredibly cool and just so much fun to hang out with. I can't believe I have to wait till November to go back. I think about being there daily. LOL.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728392]I was pressured to pay upfront.[/QUOTE]Personally I avoid these clubs, pay all upfront is not the norm in Pattaya. You have to pay upfront only the barfine, the girl is paid at the end of the session.

There must be something wrong that you are not mentioning. Visiting Pattaya is like going to the best buffet with your favorite dishes and not being hungry. P4P is everywhere. You could be blind and bump into a lady that wants a ST or if she is horny LT. Even if your fat, old and ugly there is women that will do ya. Maybe you are to picky or to cheap. Maybe you need to practice your rap like, "How much Baht to go to my Hotel with me". Anyway, to be a 2%er is sad. I propose it isn't Pattaya, it is you!

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728400]Sorry, I know that I am the odd man out about this but so far at least, Pattaya sucks when it comes to P4 P. I wouldn't tell other guys not to come here though because I'm sure 998 out of the next 1000 first time male visitors to this town will have a blast. I just happen to be one of those two OTHER guys. I'm in a good mood now though because I get to escape to Angeles at the end of the week![/QUOTE]

Buddha day holiday. All of the gogos Soi 6 and beer gardens shut down at midnight last night and will remain shut down until midnight tonight. But it really has not put a damper on anything lights are out and they won't sell alcohol but there are still plenty of girls available and still plenty of this going on.

Chris

[QUOTE=Lou32;1728399]It would probably help if I spoke or at least understood Thai. I stand out really, really easy as a farang sucker, LOL![/QUOTE]In my experience you can stand out as a sucker if you allow yourself to be positioned as a sucker. It is an element of asian culture: if you allow someone to get over on you; then [I]shame on you[/I]. Act confident and stand your ground in a non-cocky way. Keep face and allow others to maintain face. Blow off anyone who tries to game you. Firmly chart your own course and stick to it, and ultimately you will be respected (and treated better) for it.

Maybe you are aiming too high or putting too much expectations on yourself. Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1728577]Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.[/QUOTE]Now, this is, in essence what most guys want out of a relationship. No drama, no BS, just the goodies delivered on time.

And soon after they are outsmarted by the GF and suddenly find themself married, blueballed, and held to financial ransom.

(Deja vu: Anyone, Ever heard about western guys building a house for HER out in the shtt-out-of-nowhere-backwaters-of-Thailand?

Seriously: Much better to do like Sunlover and pay as you go, or get a nonpro that do not insist on getting married.

If she's a swinger even better. But that's just me. *blink*.

Happy Hunting, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1728457]Lou32,

You may be the first man maybe in history to not have a good time in Pattaya. If you are having a bad time I would say that is your own fault and no one else's. There is enough info on ISG on Pattaya that maybe you just did not read. Also Thailand is the one place that you do not need to be able to speak Thai. With 1000's of cheap bar girls everywhere from 500-1000 baht short time. You go to the agogo. Most of the agogo girls are professional hustlers. They take your money and want to cum ASAP so they can get bad to the club to get another chump. But, to be fair most of the a gogo girls are not all that bad compared to other countries and yes many agogo girls want you to pay up front. They will have the I don't give the shit attitude that they will not go with you if you do not pay upfront. Next a gogo girls are very expensive. Usually, like 2000 baht short time plus like 700 bar fine. To all the guys that always insist on not being a cheap charlie I highly suggest always going with a-gogo girls.

But, anyway. Once you learn your way around Pattaya it truly is heaven on earth. But, be careful heaven can turn into hell very fast if you forget the golden rule. That is its all a fantasy and not real. That sentence will make sense after you understand Thailand. But, Thai woman besides they beauty are incredibly cool and just so much fun to hang out with. I can't believe I have to wait till November to go back. I think about being there daily. LOL.[/QUOTE]As I wrote in the post you are responding to, I DO consider it my fault. I spent MONTHS reading ISG and other boards and watched dozens of video trip reports on Youtube. The lesson for me is "if you aren't attracted to a certain ethniticy / race / type of woman from seeing pictures and video on the Internet they don't suddenly become attractive in real life". I had to come to Thailand because it is supposedly "Man Destination #1" for the whole planet. I am glad I am here because now its just a "regular" vacation and I am experiencing a new culture and learning a lot. The sexual part of my trip will have to wait until I get to the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1728577]In my experience you can stand out as a sucker if you allow yourself to be positioned as a sucker. It is an element of asian culture: if you allow someone to get over on you; then [I]shame on you[/I]. Act confident and stand your ground in a non-cocky way. Keep face and allow others to maintain face. Blow off anyone who tries to game you. Firmly chart your own course and stick to it, and ultimately you will be respected (and treated better) for it.

Maybe you are aiming too high or putting too much expectations on yourself. Go down to Beach Road and pick up a lady. Any lady. The first lady you see. Take her back to your room and f*** her. She does not have to be beautiful or the girl of your dreams. No romantic expectations involved. This is a McDonalds hookup; you are hungry, and she is willing. Trust me you will feel better.

SL.[/QUOTE]I hear you and I know that mixed in with the transvestites there are a few actual women available. The problem is (and its my fault) I went to the other side of the planet to get with women who aren't attractive. The ones who are attractive are either men or no less expensive than working girls in Zurich or Hong Kong. Believe me I feel a lot better now that I've let it go and I'm just enjoying a PG vacation now and my X-rated vacation can start when I escape Pattaya later this week. Hell, I may even return to Thailand someday because the country IS interesting. I'll just know that it won't be for sex.