Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729446]Thanks for the rant, this topic has been discussed endlessly. Your advice while relevant will not really be of much use to majority of the Indian punters on ISG. Why? Because the guys that typically indulge in that kind of shady behaviour do not read / subscribe to this forum.

I get your point but wonder if this is relevant anymore given that Indians are not allowed into most places, so who does one tip and buy drinks for.

What to do if the "service" was bad? You recommend that tip "should" be THB 300.

Good point, but again who will educate the scum of Indian society that makes it a point to visit Pattaya (who are likely not members of this forum)?

Girls told you this? Indians forcefully demand anal, haha.

Haha, this one I have heard several times before, both from punters and girls.

Rest of the points are fine, any one with common sense should have been doing them already. I appreciate the effort in writing up this list, but isn't it too late to re-invent the wheel (in this case, the reputation of Indian punters in Pattaya) or do you still see some hope?[/QUOTE]You folks may or may not know the Thai "joke: that If you come across an Indian and a snake in the middle of the road RUN OVER THE INDIAN FIRST.

I have no idea WHY Indians are held in such low esteem, but they are.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure.

1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off.

2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST.

3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand...[/QUOTE]I am a proud Indian but I completely agree with your perception. I hope things will change only with a change in our attitude. I had wonderfull time in Pattaya 2 yrs back.

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1729446]

Rest of the points are fine, any one with common sense should have been doing them already. I appreciate the effort in writing up this list, but isn't it too late to re-invent the wheel (in this case, the reputation of Indian punters in Pattaya) or do you still see some hope?[/QUOTE]It upsets me to see groups of tourists behaving badly towards their host when they are abroad. It doesn't matter if it's Australian idiots in Bali, Indian assholes in Pattaya or British lads running amok in Majorca. I agree that this rant isn't going to make one iota of difference. Cashed up Indians who go to Pattaya are the scum of the earth and can't be reformed. Their attitude towards woman is still in the dark ages. Delhi and Mumbai are considered the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] capitals of the world and most can get away with it.

Thais are amongst the most tolerant of people. If they see fit to ban a whole ethnic group from entering their bars (and potentially foregoing revenue), you can imagine just how offensive the Indians behaviour was.

I read this so called scandal too place with Walking Street girls. Anyone know which bar?

[URL]https://vimeo.com/129533913[/URL]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1729393]In case you have been living in a cave, Indian punters have a very poor reputation in Pattaya. I'm not an Indian, but I have seen you guys out and about and have spoken to lots of girls. I'm not sure if it's ever going to be recoverable for you guys, but with some effort on your part, you might be able to limit the overt discrimination against you. Please note that I'm not denigrating the Indian race. This advice is meant for newbie Indian punters visiting Pattaya so that they can maximise their pleasure.

1. Don't hold onto your wallet so tightly. Be prepared to tip the girls, waitresses and doormen and buy lady drinks. That's how the service industry works. No girl is going to want to sit with you if you don't buy a lady drink. There are fixed rates for bar fines and commonly accepted rates for the lady's fee. Don't try to negotiate to ridiculous levels as it only pisses the girls off.

2. When you agree the price with the girl, pay her the agreed amount and don't try to renegotiate with her once in the room. This is just plain wrong. Also, tip the girl after you have fucked her, on top of the agreed fee. No girl likes a cheap charlie. Tip should be around 300 THB for ST.

3. Treat the girl with respect and at least like a human being. Don't treat her like a dog. I know in your country, where your minds have been fucked by the caste system, hookers are right down the bottom, but don't apply that logic in Thailand. She is providing you with a service you want, so treat her with some kindness.

4. Don't immediately try to fuck the girl up the ass when you get her into the room. This should be negotiated and no means no. Don't force anal sex on the girl. Also, don't stick your fingers up her ass as most women don't like it.

5. Don't try to hold a gang bang in your room. The girl does not want to enter the room only to find five of your friends waiting inside with their cocks in their hands.

6. Just control yourself and behave respectfully. Yes, there are semi naked women everywhere, but that doesn't mean you can fondle them for free. If you want to squeeze her ass, then slip a THB 100 bill in her g-string. See Point 1 above.

7. Smile a lot and say pleasant things to people. Leave your arrogance, superiority and attitude at home.

8. Bathe, wear deodorant and change your clothes daily. It is a hot country and people tend to stink if they don't shower two or three times a day.[/QUOTE]This is accurate on all accounts. It should be translated to Hindi and passed out to all Indian male passengers as mandatory reading prior to arrival when traveling from India on any flight into Thailand.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729517]I read this so called scandal too place with Walking Street girls. Anyone know which bar?

[URL]https://vimeo.com/129533913[/URL][/QUOTE]Does it matter? IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, THEY HAVE THE TIME. Some are reluctant to do pix.

From last month. I came home on the 19th. So the tum ruat (police) were making their usual rounds to see if there were any workers on Beach road. The girls crossed to the non-beach side as soon as the word reached them. That coconut tree telegraph is amazing in its speed. Of course that the cops turn on the flasher light on their truck as they drive down Beach kinda helps, too. Saw that every night at between 11 and midnite from about the 29th of April.

Anyway. Some of the girls must have thought I was one "undercover" because I can speak Thai so they sort of didn't want anything to do with me. I'm friendly and I pay them for their services, they leave their ID at the hotel desk and we go off to dance the bedspring boogie for a while.

At any rate. I ran into this Russian girl, hungry, cute (If you get by the gold teeth) and off we went (yeah. I know. Go to the Thailand to lay a Russian.) It was actually not bad. Her English AND Thai were minimal, but enough to get by. Of course, she persuaded me to give her some of the Chocolat I brought. No biggie. Usual 500 B.

Was latched onto by one and she more or less demanded to go with me. A bit older 45 - but she could suck a golf ball thru a garden hose. Trouble was she didn't want to leave so I told her same 500 in the morning. She didn't care. Woke ME up at about 3 squirming and sucking. Wouldn't mind seeing her again next trip.

With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729222]Baccara Go Go on Walking Street is one of the most popular and successful Go Go's in Pattaya. It has no relation to Baccara Cowboy other than its name. I would say both Baccara bars are must go to bars, but I prefer Sensations and Happy Go Go in Pattaya and Crazy House off Soi Cowboy in BKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598]With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.[/QUOTE]Baccara Walking Street: I won't defend it. I merely said it is a must go to bar and it is, but as I said in my earlier post, I prefer Sensations and Happy.

Sensations has hot girls. I like hot girls. I never felt overlooked or unattended to while there because I am a white guy. The main complaint punters have is the best looking girls are Agency girls with a large barfine (1500 bt) before midnight. But interestingly, the coyotes I met there wanted 2000 bt for ST so they were not significantly more expensive than regular girls at other Go Go's down the street who wanted 2500 bt for ST along with a 700 bt house barfine. I don't let 300 bt stand in my way of having a good time with the right girl. But hey, that is just me.

Now Happy does have a few Asian-centric gals and I did not like being ignored by a certain hot little number with a Chinese hairdo that I had my eye on the first time it happened to me. But I found plenty of attractive eager girls standing by that were only too happy to go out with the white guy. LOL. So I quickly learned never to let the few Asian-centric girls bother me. It is their loss as far as I am concerned.

The girl quality at CH off Cowboy runs hot / cold. Lately it has been pretty hot. If you haven't been there in a while I suggest you check it out. In any case, I like nude sexy girls. I also like to test drive them before barfining. CH is the best Go Go in BKK as far as that is concerned.

Baccara Cowboy has many detractors who find fault with the majority Asian clientele, the look of the girls, ect. I like the place. They have a ton of girls packed to the gills on 3 floors and I always find attractive / friendly girls to fool around with. By my casual calculation 10% to 15% of Baccara girls are pretty good looking and that is a lot of eligible girls. I don't care about the remaining 85%. They are for some one else. I have been frequenting this bar for a long time. I have never had a problem with the Asian customers or Asian-centric girls at this place. In fact I have never felt discriminated against here by anyone. Quite the contrary, I have had friendly relations with many of the girls that work here including the waitresses and they know me on a first name basis. In addition I have had an ongoing sexual relationship with my favorite Baccara girl since 2010. She recently retired from the business. We still keep in touch. I can't wait to see her again in September. So for all these reasons, I consider Baccara Cowboy a must go to bar. It is a personal favorite.

OK, now it is your turn. What Go Go's do you prefer?

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598]With the (slight) exception of Crazy House (used to be fun, it's just ok now) I don't think I could make a list of bars I prefer less. Baccara and Sensations are often just miserable (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) and Happy isn't particularly fun but has hot girls who, again, only want to go with Japs. This post is like anti-advice, or advice for Japs only.[/QUOTE]Checked out Sensations tonite, nothing special. Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]What's Up has always been a late night bar that does not fill up with customers until around 11 pm. That is because of their staggered two price barfine system of 2000 bt before midnight and 1000 bt after midnight. It has been a while since I went to this bar. The barfine may have increased since I was last there. What's Up is the most expensive Go Go in Pattaya if not all of Thailand. But that is not why I stopped going there. I knew a fiery hot dancer there back in 2012. She always showed me a great time and gave me workarounds and afternoon sessions to avoid the barfine. Then after knowing her for 2. 5 years, she hit me up for a sponsorship and asked for $200/ month. I stopped texting and talking to her. That was dumb. Looking back I should have handled the situation with more finesse and I would probably still be shagging her with no additional cost. In any case I stopped going to What's Up. But I think that I will drop by on my next trip to Pat. I doubt Nut is still working there, but this bar always had really good looking girls. I mean really good looking girls. The drink price and barfine business is total crap, but I am curious to see if they still have the high quality girls. Let's face it guys, Agency girls are here to stay. It is not so bad if they are really hot, but if standards should drop and they are no better than regular girls at other Go Go's, then it is a complete rip off.

Are there any places in Pattaya with live-type sex shows on stage? I walked into one before where they had a live lesbian show off to the side of the gogo dancers, but forgot the name of the place. It was in one of the alleys down walking street.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729622]What's Up has always been a late night bar that does not fill up with customers until around 11 pm. That is because of their staggered two price barfine system of 2000 bt before midnight and 1000 bt after midnight.[/QUOTE]Is this the barfine for LT? I don't like the expensive barfine like everyone else but if it means getting the girl I want I will have to bite the bullet at times. I'm targeting the best of the best.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]2-10 guys for 60 girls. I like those numbers.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;1729598] (unless you are Japanese /555 guy) [/QUOTE]What is a 555 guy?

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1729559] I ran into this Russian girl, hungry, cute ...... Usual 500 B.[/QUOTE]You found a cute Russian girl on Beach Road for 500 baht? How old was she?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1729612]Now Happy does have a few Asian-centric gals and I did not like being ignored by a certain hot little number with a Chinese hairdo that I had my eye on the first time it happened to me. [/QUOTE]Doesn't money trump everything else in these cases or are these girls blatantly opposed to farang?

BTW, what is the average lifespan of a super cute coyote or FL?

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1729618]Checked out Sensations tonite, nothing special. Next to What's Up, 21:40 & only 2 punters. Maybe 10 by 22:00. All girls on stages, about 60 or so. Many very decent as usual at this bar. One and done but sticker shock! 215 b for a single bloody drink. It has always been more expensive but not 215 b?[/QUOTE]What's Up is a sucker trap and a bar to avoid in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1729740]Is this the barfine for LT? I don't like the expensive barfine like everyone else but if it means getting the girl I want I will have to bite the bullet at times. I'm targeting the best of the best.

Doesn't money trump everything else in these cases or are these girls blatantly opposed to farang?
[/QUOTE]Bar fines don't depend / change with ST or LT. While BKK has standard bar fines, some Pattaya Go-Gos have sliding bar fines which means that if you bar fine prior to midnight you pay a heavier fine. What you discuss with the girl i.e. ST or LT is up to you. The bar will not ask for a higher bar fine if you take out LT.

Once you go to Bacarra in BKK or Pattaya (Happy) you will find [B]some[/B] girls who will refuse to go with you simply stating that they go with Japanese. These girls aren't known to change their minds with offers of higher compensation. But as NB said, lots of pretty ones out there who prefer to go with people of other races.