Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Revere;1451065]Honestly, when you think about it if your a police officer and they give you 6, 000 7, 000 pesos a month in salary. I do not blame them for stopping people and asking for some pesos. I would do it.[/QUOTE]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1451124]Would you recommend Rocky's rooms as a good spot for GFE? I got a "girlfriend" who I want to stay with me for a few days on my next trip and I'm looking for a nice alternative to New Garden.

What are the rooms like? Modern or old?[/QUOTE]For that you want Mary Rose more exclusive better accomodations.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Tom, sorry I hit a nerve. I am just telling you from my observation. I do not agree with police shaking people down, but I understand and not surprised. Go to santo domingo, go to some of the hot clubs on Venezuela and you see a lot people with a lot of money with 4 or 5 bottles of black label at there table for the night that is 5, 000 or 6, 000 pesos. Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month. I am not stupid I live in the land of real. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs. Should not be that way, but it was because of drugs. Everybody wants there cut. Right now Mitlitary on the streests in the DR because crime is rising. Why is crime rising because drugs and corruption create problems. You think police will be honest when they see everyone on the take. I just hope it does not trend towards mexico. But. 4 police were killed in the last month for there weapons including a police officer who was assigned to protect the presidents daughter. I love the DR, but I am concerned what I saw on my last trip. It was different and I could be wrong on what I feel and see. I hope I am wrong. Again, love the DR and the people hate all the corruption and how drugs can hurt a country.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Same problem in mexico. The cops were not making enough money, and were not happy just having a job. Last person you wanted to see if you were in trouble was a cop. They raised their salaries, and police corruption went down.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1451145]Are you fucking serious?

If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!

I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!

Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.[/QUOTE]Police in Mexico earn an average of about US$350 per month, but the constitution separates police officers from other public servants, meaning they do not qualify for the standard minimum wage and the 40-hour weekly work limit. For some reason many police officers in Mexico prefer to accept bribes, mostly from organized crime than lay their lives on the line fighting armed gangsters. Cowards!

The starting pay for police in the DR is about US$150 per month. However due to the low cost of living in the Dominican Republic a family of 4 can live quite comfortably on this amount and send a tithe of 10% of its income to feed hungry children in the US as well.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce; 1451010]Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel

Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.

But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in development[/QUOTE]Now remember that Sosua will not even be close to the port of entry.

[url]www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/10/caribbean_cruises_leave_wave_o.html[/url]

This is the clientele from cruise ships most of the time. Of course people all have their hopes set high. Check out the facts concerning helping the local economies.

Remember too CARNIVAL WILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE PASSENGERS its all their $$$$$$$$$$$$ being spent to build the port.


www.goldenkeymanagement.com/blogengine.net/post/2011/09/03/Carnival-Cruise-Lines-will-Invest-US$-65mm-in-Puerto-Plata`s-new-cruise-ship-terminal.aspx

[QUOTE=Revere;1451186]A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs.[/QUOTE]If anyone wants a point of reference to what Revere is talking about (the Miami drug scene in the 80's), check out the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys":

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD2JMs5xnTw[/url]

Revere: I am interested in knowing why you feel that the drug scene is picking up in the DR. I'm assuming the DR is used as a hub to get drugs into America, but I don't see it being easier than a group of illegals just casually strolling across the Southern Border with bags full of this stuff (we all know there ain't shit being done to control the border with Mexico. No one wants their stream of cheap labor drying to a trickle).

The last few times I was in Medellin I have seen apartments and buildings being thrown up left and right. But I believe this is due to more FDI (Foreign Direct Investment; foreigners feeling more comfortable about investing there) than the drug game (which still has a very large presence in Medellin).

We can continue this discussion in Gogo's forum if you'd like.

[QUOTE=Revere;1451186]Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month.[/QUOTE]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]How is it hard for you to believe? What is this person's rank on the police force? It's kinda hard for me to believe that you yourself fresh out of the Naval Academy was making the same amount of money as an O-6 was.

To put things even more in perspective, being stationed in Hawaii I was making almost triple the amount of the same person stationed in Norfolk, VA. The cop in Montellano is probably not making the same as the cop in Puta Cana. In fact, the Punta Cana gig is probably considered a plush assignment given to those who have been on the force for a while or as part of a promotion (like a Houston cop getting transferred to the Woodlands after spending many years on the beat in 5th Ward).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]Sadly its true. The starting salary of a policia nacional is roughly 6000 pesos a month. I am a Dominican American and have friends that are cops. I've been stopped on the roads before and when they see my pissed off face they already know I know the game. Twice before I've been stopped where a cop cut thru the bs and straight out asked me for money cause he can barely feed his family. I'm more than willing to help anyone who is straightforward with me than one that beats around the Bush when everyone knows its just money they want.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451277]What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.[/QUOTE]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url]

they work 6 days a week less then 7000 pesos a month. their lives are a constant struggle. they have to buy food, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] and rent. it is a very sad existence. the police lower ranks are not paid well. when the chance to make some extra it is hard to blame them. we have no clue how hard or desperatre their lives are. telling a man who is bare footed to pull his self by his boot straps is a fruitless thing.

[quote=frannie; 1451303]privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the policia national make $153 us dollars a month. no doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451303]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/QUOTE]I believe that unskilled workers earn anywhere between 1500 & 7000 DOP a month depending on size of company and industry type. We pay general laborers 125 DOP a day to help clear debris and shovel with hundreds a week begging for work at main office. Lot of Middle management in DR are imported Puerto Ricans due to the poor educational system. Lots of graduates are forced to find work as cashiers and other low skilled jobs due to lack of compency. The ones that flourish in S. T. E. M. Fields make equivalent small city American dollars. There is a large income disparity between have and have nots.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451303]Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.

[url]http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1451121]When I got off the boat in Ocho Rios, Jamaica this billboard was one of the first things I saw. My question to one of the locals was where do I find that? It said NITE club for a reason. As someone else said, by night fall the ships are long gone. Also, if a boat docks in Puerto Plata I can't see people being transported all the way to Sosua. Usually the cruise ship people will stay in the general area and buy some rip off souvenirs for the few hours that they are in port. In Jamaica they built a shopping complex for the sole purpose to rip off tourists. When the girls working in the store told me the price of a pint of liquor was $8 I got smart and went outside to ask a local where the liquor store was. He said to go to the grocery store which was 1 block away. Me and my friends went there and the same damn liquor was $3.

I don't see anything seedy about Sosua in its present form. It is not like you see people fucking in the middle of the street. Hell, half the guys who go there can't find Passions without a motorbike driver. Even if the group did go to Sosua, no cruise tourist is going to go exploring that far down the street. And 2000 cruise ship tourists wandering around Sosua would look like a cluster fuck. Not to mention in a lot of places there will be 2 or 3 other boats docked at the same time. So 6000 tourists tripping over each other in Sosua?[/QUOTE]Agree, the key is overt establishment advertising sex or implied. Sousa is a good amentity due to the diving, fishing and relatively quite beach in a short bus ride. Night time is night time. It has no affect on the boats but does on those with holiday homes along the path in and out.

The best time I had in sosewer was my second. We rented two holiday homes about 5 miles out with a shared pool. It was drink up and restock at classicos for the next day. We were totally disgusted by Classicos but had no problem with the multitude of freelancers available for TLN at half the price. There was one sexy Haitiana that cooked, cleaned and fvched the remaining 4 days. We were arguing on who was going to take her back as maid or Fiance; then the Brugal wore off never to voluntarily return.

IMO: This is an independent contractor sport. I go to a casa for the thrill of the lineup but at the end of the day its more fun to stalk a SW or a play "Shy Guy" with a Puta at the bar. From a policy standpoint, I would rather see the closing of all the working girl / massage houses, enactment of Puta free zones by time and proximity to tourism and less SW raids save for random ID checks. If a bar or hotel wants to allow independent contractors on property, so be it.