Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451343]Thanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.[/QUOTE]Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.

Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter. When I dropped her home, she's living in a motel, paying over 1000 month for a piece of crap room. Probably can't do an apt that would be cheaper and nicer, cause no down payment, and no pay stub to get approved. Last sat, she made 3 bucks,

This is nothing compared to what some of these people in the dr and other countries do to make it. We should not judge till we spend a day in their shoes.

I've read that during the Passions raid the owners were arrested and the girls "freed" Has any one heard if any Mongers were arrested? Or held for more than a day? I've got a trip in 2 weeks and wanted some intel.

It gets under my skin when I see guys who assume DR people are stupid or lazy. I have known regular DR folk. They are the hardest working people I have ever seen. Even the working girls when you get to know them are not bad people. Most are mothers and the bread winners in their families. There are very few jobs so most folk find something they can sell so they can make a few bucks. When you drive in SD on the busy highways you see scores of people selling every thing under the sun to folk stuck in traffic. They make less a day then our pocket change but they go out everyday and try. Sometimes our arrogance make Marie Antionette look like St Francis. Sleeping with some of you clowns is a very hard job no doubt.

[QUOTE=Ricardo Torres;1451365]Very well expressed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer; 1451359]Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.

Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter.[/QUOTE]What do you mean? Many pro athletes came from poor to average backgrounds, so I am sure that they can relate. Look at all the Dominican and Cuban guys in Major League Baseball. Me, I was born in the Carver Homes projects in Atlanta, so I do know about being poor. I went to college on a Navy scholarship and my ROTC stipend was only $100/month. So there were times when I had to eat ketchup packs for dinner if I missed that meal at the cafeteria for whatever reason.

But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.

Yesterday when I got off at my exit there was a woman with a sign asking for money. The guy in the car directly in front of me picked the woman up and drove her to the grocery store that is across the street. On the other hand, most guys here would have picked her up and driven to a motel, then given her money for sex "because she was poor."

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[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1450552]Didn't you notice:

* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.

* Only tourists give them money.

* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF) [/QUOTE][QUOTE=HenryV; 1451030]Funniest thing. For years I use to stay at the Rajai Hotel on Osmena Circle. Every time I came the same lady was out there with a baby. I start noticing that, over the years, the baby never grew.

Will sometimes buy kids food.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ath Trainer;1451382]Your reference to the lady with the fake baby is similar to the pro athlete that does get it. Theres exceptions to every rule. How many times do you hear a pro athlete holding out for, that extra million saying hes trying to put food on his familys table. Reggie white, a great player, and, an even better person, said god told him to go to green bay. Just happened to be the same place that was offering the most cash.[/QUOTE]You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451401]You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.[/QUOTE]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce;1451037]Once again, monger dollars mean shit to the tax base and local economy in contrast to family tourism. That's a blatant misrepresentation.[/QUOTE]This may be true I can't comment on that, but you need to have the infrastructure in place to relieve the family tourists of their cash, also need that to bring them to the location in the first place. Quality, no run down, hotels (not for cruise ship but others) , classy restaurants, casinos, entertainment centres, safe roads / environment with reliable policing and trained staff to server them. North coast of DR just doesn't cut it right now. Getting rid of chicas is not going to make much difference in the absence of the above, just makes monger dollar disappear too! (Although the authorities have this as their excuse for their failures.)

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1451378]But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.[/QUOTE]We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy. However, I aint walking around blabbing as if all dominicans are poor, or all dominicans work hard. And I don't roll as if I'm supposed to supplement every poor dominican I meet.

It's amazing how certain individuals ignore the enormous examples of dominicans who have no ambition, are lazy, and are making babies they know it will be hard to take care of. If anybody is contributing to their hard times. It's their own fault, and those that condone it by not protecting the young. That goes for the women as well as the men. Somehow they don't see those dominicans. Unbeknownst to some or those in denial, scamming, conning, being an opportunist, using various tactics to get sympathy from people they target (towards obtaining hassle free benefits ). Is a full time occupation all over the DR. All over the world for that matter. Many so called poor dominicans (poor by who's standards?) are content or have no major problem with how they get by from day to day. To have people come around feeling sorry for them without understanding their mindset and circumstances, is an asset to them.

""""""Shit. I don't have to do anything. All I have to do is let some stupid gringo come to my casa, and the sympathy and money starts flowing." "Of course they aint paying attention to details.....how I dress, my high heels, my hair, my nails, my BB phone, my laptop, my victoria secrets, my perfume, the fact that he only feels sorry for me because I'm a woman with a pussy and not a dick. Etc. Thats because. Mi papi es mucho horny" "papi you call me please, yo no tengo credito" """"mi______________es enferma papi, necesita medicine / doctor."""

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1451572]We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy.[/QUOTE]I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.

However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.

Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1451599]I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.

However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.

Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.[/QUOTE]So yesterday when a Facebook chica writes to me that she has nothing to eat for her kid and herself, I go to my near empty fridg and cut half a frozen chicken, some rice, ect. For a soup. I've seen the goat hovels where these chicas live, and it's poor and it ain't pretty. No small wonder the kids are always sick. Cut the chicas some slack, they're not selling pussy because they're top shelf at WalMart. It's all they got in most cases. You can find all kinds of reasons to berate these people, but they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], shit, breath the same air as I do. Put just about any random chico on a boat to New York and he'll be working two jobs to send money back home to his family. School is starting in a few weeks, many of these poor mothers are worried sick about notebooks, and the standard school uniforms for their kids. Some won't go to school because they are too poor to buy $20 bucks of school essentials. Ugly Americans go home,

[QUOTE=Llttf;1451449]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.[/QUOTE]Not that the DR doesn't have its share of corruption, crime, education, infrastructure issues, etc, but I think the biggest problem in the DR is the same problem we have in certain communities in America: young girls having babies out of wedlock and the fathers not helping to raise those kids. Americans are not strangers to this. In fact, I know a couple of American 30 year olds living in Sosua who have multiple kids back home in the states.

Young teens having kids with no father leads to less education and less opportunities for those young mothers, coupled with the fact that the DR is a mucho oriented society where women are underrepresented in positions of power.

Awhile back, I had the crazy notion that things in Sosua might change just by virtue that the Mayor is now a female. I thought about how Rio changed under a female president in Brazil (changes which began under a male president).

[QUOTE=Llttf;1451449]So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.[/QUOTE]Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.

I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.

And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1451630]Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.

I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.

And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.[/QUOTE]I think most of us on this board are living off money we earned and saved, and not from trust funds or inheritances. I have no idea how you made your money and, yes, maybe it was very hard and you made great sacrifices, but the differential is not always simply related to hard work (even though it may have been so in your case). For example a high school teacher in the US earns an average of over $4000 per month (various a lot between high and low income states) , and yet the basic pay for Dominican government teachers in March. 2013 was $219 per month, a difference of about 20 times, and yet the difference is not related to how hard the work is, but to accidents like where your mother was when you were born and what currency you are paid in.

Also if you are born in the USA or the UK, if you just work for 35 years you will receive a pension or social security monthly stipend which will probably be more pe rmonth than the average doctor or dentist earns in the DR.

I am sure there are Dominicans you know, mostly in business surely, (because who else makes any real money?) who have made a fine living, but it would not be possible for the whole population to do the same, because the population will still need teachers, police, doctors, nurses, etc. And the economy would not support paying them all a fine living. After all many people can't make a fine living in the US either.

I don't know what country you are from, but did you know that in the USA 47, 661, 353 people are on food stamps (SNAP) this month, that is almost one person in every six in the WHOLE POPULATION. What would happen if that program was discontinued tomorrow? Would there be more people begging, do you think? Would those 47 million people all take to Facebook?

From today's Sosua News:

It is low season in Sosúa and that shows. During the day on the beach there are almost no tourists. Only in the weekend it is busy but it are mostly Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega and Puerto Plata. Also 'mi gente' (own people) from Santo Domingo come over for the weekend to enjoy a few days at the resort Casa Marina. Yet it is in the main street Pedro Clisante still busy every evening, for example the Rumba Bar and Willy's Bar are still popular entertainment places at night. Especially tourists from the USA are apparently the majority of the guests.

Many smaller bars have to close their doors temporarily. 'Winner's Circle Bar' opposite the merenguebar has temporarily closed its doors. Also 'City Lights' after the reopening which was unsuccessful (due to heavy rains the reopening was a dissapointment) again indefinitely closed its doors. Moreover, the 'Happy Bar' opposite PJ's restaurant, formerly so popular with Dominican music and dance lovers, provisionally maintains close after a little remodeling. We have to wait until October, as tourism picks up again. Sosúa is definitely ready, that's for sure!

Many pope can do this and get aay with it. And she was a poverty statistic.

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