Manila

I do hear you SP, coming from bad experiences, I believe that it is wisdom to RTFF and verify the personnel well and not to be in a hurry with the little head.

This helps to escape obvious traps.

Vic.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2316798]I'm with you on that. I like to think I am generous but I hate being ripped off. I like to be in control.[/QUOTE]

Thanks M. E.

It's so wise to understand that the bottom line is how much cash they can get from you while allowing you to feel that you are getting a great deal.

That's why this forum is precious, for advice and good ideas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316365]I have said before that whenever a contact is involved shit is going to cost you more. My wingman was dating a chick whose dad drives a taxi. He tried to charge my boy 3500 pesos from AC to Manila. Work out your own deal and don't fall for you are getting a lower one because of a contact.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the wise words M. E.

That's why it is great to refer back to this forum, RTFF, to avoid obvious scams.

Be experiences real helps to gain in wisdom though.

Victor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316365]I have said before that whenever a contact is involved shit is going to cost you more. My wingman was dating a chick whose dad drives a taxi. He tried to charge my boy 3500 pesos from AC to Manila. Work out your own deal and don't fall for you are getting a lower one because of a contact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2316805]I have not fucked too many Asian hookers for much more than the $20 you speak of quibbling over.[/QUOTE]Each to their own I suppose. From my perspective I just can't be bothered haggling with a hooker, it makes the deal a little too "transactional" for me. If I feel I'm getting ripped off at the offered price, I just walk away.

The $20 I refer to is obviously not the overall price of services, but the price difference between what the punter wants to pay and the hooker wants to receive.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316915]Each to their own I suppose. From my perspective I just can't be bothered haggling with a hooker, it makes the deal a little too "transactional" for me. If I feel I'm getting ripped off at the offered price, I just walk away.

The $20 I refer to is obviously not the overall price of services, but the price difference between what the punter wants to pay and the hooker wants to receive.[/QUOTE]$20 is more valuable to some financial wizard mongers than to a starving family. Some even complain about the meal they get for 150 php!

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2316916]$20 is more valuable to some financial wizard mongers than to a starving family. Some even complain about the meal they get for 150 php![/QUOTE]It may sound a bit pedantic but I work on a budget that I believe given the place is fair for both monger and WG. I stick to this budget despite what they may ask.

This year I will visit KL & Angeles. Obviously quite different prices. So I adjust my budget accordingly. To my way of thinking overpaying is just dumb and a fool and his money will soon be parted.

My trips are time to have fun and sample quite a bit of the wildlife. I butterfly more so than repeat. For them they get a fairly ok looking respectful gentlemen, they usually enjoy themselves too. Based on current prices I give what's fair as opposed to them having to go home with a less desirable individual. I believe, although yes this is there work, this is a fair exchange. It should be remembered that some nights these girls go home unattached and also in low season this could mean no bookings for lengthy periods.

It works for me, others are free to choose their own ways but over spenders do everyone a disservice.

NI.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2316488]And if you promise a big tip for bareback then keep it IMHO as am sure you meant 500 pesos (IE $10). Don't boast you said it to get it and then won't give the tip.[/QUOTE]Never. The western mentality is to make a deal and keep it. To clarify, I did not promise her anything ahead of time. I just assumed service would be 'normal'. The deal with the casa's is you only tip if you want to. No obligation. The girl gets paid by the casa. Obviously, transport fees home is expected that you give her enough to get home.

It's because it was after everything was done and she was begging for a tip is when I said, look, if you went bareback I would be tipping you now. I would have tipped her, but not BIG time. She was probably expecting 2 k or something like that. I only said that so that she learns a lesson for next time (one of you guys, so where's the thanks?! LOL) to be upfront. Also, to try to teach her that don't expect a tip when you clearly have not exceeded the clients satisfaction. The chances of that getting through are slim to none, but I tried.

So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.

[QUOTE=JustARub;2316564]Gents,

Looking fwd to my first trip to Manila soon, and having read lots of the forum, I've not seen much reference to ladies who love to offer rimming. Specifically as part of a massage session. If anyone can suggest a lady or establishment that would suit my needs, please PM.

Thanks in advance.

JaR.[/QUOTE]Since the Philippines is not a hardcore destination, (and I learnt that the hard way) what you are looking for may be difficult to find. But with the right attitude and price, who knows? It's unlikely the attractive girls will be up for it.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by "safe"? Are you worried about STD's? Or are you talking about them sticking a pistol in your face and trying to rob you?

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker.[/QUOTE]If you want daytime action then your best bet is to hit the dating sites. There are not more posts on massage girls because they are massage girls. Neither sex nor a good massage is guaranteed from them at twice the price of a massage you can get in a reputable place. If you want a massage go to a massage shop. If you want to fuck, go get someone you know is selling pussy.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2316925]It may sound a bit pedantic but I work on a budget that I believe given the place is fair for both monger and WG. I stick to this budget despite what they may ask.

This year I will visit KL & Angeles. Obviously quite different prices. So I adjust my budget accordingly. To my way of thinking overpaying is just dumb and a fool and his money will soon be parted.

My trips are time to have fun and sample quite a bit of the wildlife. I butterfly more so than repeat. For them they get a fairly ok looking respectful gentlemen, they usually enjoy themselves too. Based on current prices I give what's fair as opposed to them having to go home with a less desirable individual. I believe, although yes this is there work, this is a fair exchange. It should be remembered that some nights these girls go home unattached and also in low season this could mean no bookings for lengthy periods.

It works for me, others are free to choose their own ways but over spenders do everyone a disservice.

NI.[/QUOTE]On the Manila Hotels forum I advised you to go straight to Angeles and bypass Manila the first night. By taking the bus I hope it frees up some extra cash for you.

BTW, restaurants, hotels and other businesses will not give discounts for good looks! For me, I am glad they don't add a surcharge for ugly guys like me. It would break my budget!

For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count.

A little pedanic myself, I count the strokes per peso (SPP). I try to get 1 stoke per peso. My average is 1.013.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2317030]So I have wanted to go to the philipines for a long time, the ladies look beautiful. So I got a ticket for Jan 15-30. Now I need to figure it all out. I have been to Colombia, MDE mostly and love it.

I have a question on the massage girls on the street in the you tube videos, are they safe to go with and why don't more post talk about that? I am more interested in daytime action and not a big partier or drinker. Open to suggestions and I am reading the Forum but lots of posts commenting on one trip or such.[/QUOTE]Happy hunting.

I tried the pay as you go scheme in Manila my first trip and after living in Bangkok for 30 plus years found it very boring.

As it turns out I started going thru Manila to get to Bangkok for the entertainment and subsequently ended up settling in Manila with a 26 year old beautiful girl, mother of two boys, who cannot be more accommodating in all respects, in and out of the bedroom. She is legally married and since divorce is unheard of in Philippines there is no chance we can be married. Fine by both of us.

I bought a condo in my name, car int my name and have my own bank account giving her a monthly allowance, more than fair. I send both her boys to private school and find my as fulfilling as ever.

I am 65 and good shape and believe me when I say life has not been this good in many many years.

Filipinas are the most giving and caring women and I dare say the most flirtatious girls. But never never flit with another when with her. Darts come out of their eyes.

I had about 10 trips to Manila on my way to Bangkok of a period of about 4 years.

After the first disastrous trip with pros. I got smart.

I subscribed to Filipino Cupid and Pina Love and the first time spent 6 nights, having 8 girls visit my room. All loving and giving and not one asked for any money or taxi fare. I have them a few pesos but not anywhere near what I spend the first trip on the pros.

Not one asked for a condom and there was only one of the eight I had leave due to what I perceived was deception, but how wonderful the others were.

I even had a 50 year old woman insists on coming to my room the night I arrived at 1 am and we rolled around every position. All holes tight and sweet. Attractive and experienced. All the rest were under 25, sweet, wonderful and never insisted on condom or any protection. They love white guys and using these sites and vetting the girls as much as you can online. Great experience.

On subsequent trips repeated with a few and on two occasions the girls asked if they could bring a friend to play yes.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2317382]On the Manila Hotels forum I advised you to go straight to Angeles and bypass Manila the first night. By taking the bus I hope it frees up some extra cash for you.
BTW, restaurants, hotels and other businesses will not give discounts for good looks! For me, I am glad they don't add a surcharge for ugly guys like me. It would break my budget!
For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count.
A little pedanic myself, I count the strokes per peso (SPP). I try to get 1 stoke per peso. My average is 1.013.[/QUOTE]LOL appreciate your help here and on other Phil forum pages.

"For fun you and I should stand together on Fields and solicit the same FL, ugly me will offer the full rate and humsome you will offer the discounted good looks rate. Whoever she picks the other person will pay for him. We can do this 10 times to get an accurate count. " - LOL again. In the name of science and stats this may be an interesting proposition. I would imagine the spread of difference between the humsome rate and the "un humsome " rate might be the clincher. I often query what people pay as on average esp in KL I get a lower price accepted than most. I am no Brad Pitt. Closer to 60 than I like. I sometimes get the comment " you must have been quite good looking when you were younger" = LOL what do you mean. When I was younger? Of course I am not too arrogant to realize the size of the paycheck is a significant determinant with most WGs.

What do you mean by strokes per peso? Strokes of what? Be interested in knowing my average, purely for research purposes. LOL x 3.

Once again thanks to you and others for their help.

NI.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2316644]Me too! Same with these people who nickle and dime. They spend around US $2000 traveling to the other side of the world, fork out for 4 or 5 star hotels for a week or so, then spend precious time quibbling with an Asian hooker over $20. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.[/QUOTE]I use to be one of those guys, but most guys look for cheap places to stay and are cheap with the girls. I still will negotiate with a girl just like I will use expedia to find the best 5 star hotel. But in the end if I really want her she could be 10 x's the going rate in the area and if it's not too much for me I'm going to partake. If a girl is bi I will usually push my pay limit higher because then I can still try to get another if I see something later. Unfortunately Philippines isn't great for the bi girls. In the end I don't think there's a right way or wrong way just everyone does it their own way. Markets rise from an increase in tourism not a few mongers over paying. Supply and demand.