Angeles City

This confected outrage against Red Dogger is getting a little tedious. All he is guilty of is saying what is in the minds of the majority of men. I find his views quite refreshing. If he wants to tell his wh-ore to get down on her knees and choke on his schlong, then isn't that his prerogative? After all, he has paid for the transaction. How is him asking "Oh honey, would you kindly suck my penis?" going to make any difference to the rest of you? You guys should just cut him some slack. Have you wondered why the conversation on the Phils board just bounces around the same dozen or so veterans? It's because anyone with a dissenting view gets chased off or told to fuck off and RTFF.

The fact that the girl is poor and uneducated is not Red Dogger's problem and nor should it be. Perhaps blame Marcos and the 10,000 other corrupt politicians for her predicament. Red Dogger is on holiday, has paid his money and deserves to enjoy his treat without all that white anglo-saxon, do-gooder guilt hanging over his head. If you guys want to do some good to the poor Pinays you so pity, then no one is stopping you from donning your Mother Teresa sari, going out to the provinces and teaching modern farming techniques, contraception or whatever. Instead, you bang just as many sluts as Red Dogger (probably in as many kinky ways) write about it (complete with photos) on ISG and then crucify Red Dogger for daring to say the truth. The hypocrisy is quite breathtaking.

I agree 100%. We don't all need to be friends here. Agree to disagree and move on. Treat your working girl like a *****, or treat them like a princess. Some people like shit that you don't. Tough.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1769185]This confected outrage against Red Dogger is getting a little tedious. All he is guilty of is saying what is in the minds of the majority of men. I find his views quite refreshing. If he wants to tell his wh-ore to get down on her knees and choke on his schlong, then isn't that his prerogative? After all, he has paid for the transaction. How is him asking "Oh honey, would you kindly suck my penis?" going to make any difference to the rest of you? You guys should just cut him some slack. Have you wondered why the conversation on the Phils board just bounces around the same dozen or so veterans? It's because anyone with a dissenting view gets chased off or told to fuck off and RTFF.

The fact that the girl is poor and uneducated is not Red Dogger's problem and nor should it be. Perhaps blame Marcos and the 10,000 other corrupt politicians for her predicament. Red Dogger is on holiday, has paid his money and deserves to enjoy his treat without all that white anglo-saxon, do-gooder guilt hanging over his head. If you guys want to do some good to the poor Pinays you so pity, then no one is stopping you from donning your Mother Teresa sari, going out to the provinces and teaching modern farming techniques, contraception or whatever. Instead, you bang just as many sluts as Red Dogger (probably in as many kinky ways) write about it (complete with photos) on ISG and then crucify Red Dogger for daring to say the truth. The hypocrisy is quite breathtaking.[/QUOTE]

Thank you EngineD, this is very well written and I agree with you to some extent.

I like dirty talk and I (uncomfortably) ask both p4 p gals and regular girl friends if we can do some dirty talk role play during coitus. Asking permission may seem contradictory, but it's important to me. Only once I had a gal say she preferred "I want to make love" to "I want to fuck you". I went with the flow and the new role play was, "I lv you". I'm not a good liar, so she busted up laughing. Hey, that's part of the experience.

One of my best encounters was a gal who said she would be treated like a princess wherever, but in the bed she's a s l you t. I've met her several times over the last two years and she's good to her word.

"would my lady be interested in partaking in dinner sometimes around 7 pm" is followed by a wonderful shag. And "my lady", doesn't get called "lady". Bless her heart.

I guess the problem that RD has created is that he seems to show some disdain for the people and the p4 p gals. I don't know if that was intentional. I certainly wouldn't share my dirty talk with anyone here. For example, "how many bar fines have you had this week?" "Did you enjoy it?" LOL.

I will conclude by saying that my very best "romantic" episodes in the Philippines have occurred when I talked and enjoyed the company of the Filipina. This is true for AC or province or online or meeting someone by chance, etc. Treat these women well and they will usually treat you even better.

SNIP.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1769185]This confected outrage against Red Dogger is getting a little tedious. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1768593]What this guy might not realize is that it only takes one girl who gets angry enough to go to the police and claim to be a victim of sexual misconduct or predation, and he gets immersed in a world of trouble. I hope he never gets to hear "on your knees *****" from the inside of a local prison.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE you have been completely off the mark with your posts lately. What you fail to mention is that you do not have to be involved in the sex trade for you to run into trouble with the locals. Filipinos are well aware of the power they wield when it comes to going to authorities (most on trumped up charges) to land a foreigner in hot water. Look at all the cases of foreigners jailed for challenging some random Filipino who accused them. Most foreigners walk on egg shells while in the country regardless of their activities and that is the truth of the matter. All you can do protect yourself is try to keep a level of anonymity, give fake names, stay in short times hotels and limit your dealings with locals.

It seems to me GE you have some personal stake in defending all things Filipino. I challenge you GE stop giving out erroneous information on the forum.

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[QUOTE=Member#4221;1769228] ..........................All you can do protect yourself is try to keep a level of anonymity, give fake names, stay in short times hotels and limit your dealings with locals. ...................[/QUOTE]Fair enough advice. Newbies should take note.

[QUOTE=Member#4221;1769228]GE you have been completely off the mark with your posts lately. What you fail to mention is that you do not have to be involved in the sex trade for you to run into trouble with the locals. Filipinos are well aware of the power they wield when it comes to going to authorities (most on trumped up charges) to land a foreigner in hot water. Look at all the cases of foreigners jailed for challenging some random Filipino who accused them. Most foreigners walk on egg shells while in the country regardless of their activities and that is the truth of the matter. All you can do protect yourself is try to keep a level of anonymity, give fake names, stay in short times hotels and limit your dealings with locals.

It seems to me GE you have some personal stake in defending all things Filipino. I challenge you GE stop giving out erroneous information on the forum.

[URL]http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/king-county-man-languishes-in-philippines-jail-fighting-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-charge-2/[/URL][/QUOTE]I do not need to (or will) defend GE as your FR is totally off the mark.

GE does not defend Filipinos clearly you have nor read his FRs of late and his posting history) but offers his view of what it is like to live in the country from yeas of experience. I have been coming here for many years and sort of live here also and I would concur with what GE says. Yes he, me and countless others are aware of things crazy. Read the press, see the economy, hear the politicians claim about God while plundering etc. This country is not for the faint hearted but it also has a kind soul when you get to know some of its people. And I don't mean the kindness given by the cuties to out todger LOL.

RD was way out of line IMHO but he is also entitled to his way and I hope he does not mean a sticky end with the police via a set up for he perceives as being a good hearted gentleman.

Member4221 - you have 33 FRs and don't live in the country, if you visit it is likely short time and your views are referenced by that so be sure you know what you mean and say before you type. Get the brain out of the fuzzy neutral before you start chundering away.

[QUOTE=Member#4221;1769228] Filipinos are well aware of the power they wield when it comes to going to authorities (most on trumped up charges) to land a foreigner in hot water. [/QUOTE]Very true, because the authorities know they can extort cash from foreigners. In addition to your advice, make sure you have access to cash in case you get caught in a bind. Money will get you out of almost any problem in PI.

[QUOTE=Delbhoy;1768785]Hi guys,

But I'm just unclear as to the operation for payments in Angeles City.[/QUOTE]The bar fine in Angeles is all inclusive. There is no obligation to pay the girl anything extra after the deed, however, you may give her a tip if you enjoyed the service. A tip of PHP 500 is adequate. As they say in SE Asia, it's up to you. There are detailed instructions further back in the forum on bar etiquette, tipping the waitress, interview questions, dealing with the mamasan etc.

Thanks WR, for the kind words. I'm not going to bother responding to the guy's post. As you rightfully indicate, once you start actually living here you begin to understand a bit more. Of course reading a couple of books about the socio-political history of the country doesn't hurt either. I've always felt, given the feudal system that's in place here, it's always better to fly as low under the radar as possible, if only because none of us will ever understand the complex web of interlocking relationships and obligations by and through which the country functions. Though the ladies short-time visitors meet are largely from poor, under developed areas, you simply never know if they know someone who knows someone who can harm you.

I've recently come to appreciate how aware average Filipinos are about the terrible state of the country. I take Uber twice a day when in Manila, and have gotten involved with some of the very articulate drivers, in some intense political discussions. My conclusion based on this not very random sample, is that Filipinos know what's wrong and why; they just have no idea how to fix it.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1769535]I've recently come to appreciate how aware average Filipinos are about the terrible state of the country. I take Uber twice a day when in Manila, and have gotten involved with some of the very articulate drivers, in some intense political discussions. My conclusion based on this not very random sample, is that Filipinos know what's wrong and why; they just have no idea how to fix it.

GE.[/QUOTE]Like you I have some very interesting chats with Filipinos, many on he plane as I fly a lot. Many know what is wrong ("rampant corruption", "family dynasty" are words regularly used) but despair at how to fix the problem. Many say while they love their country they (as OFWs) have no intention of coming back and seek an alternative (and presumably better) lifestyle elsewhere.

Many say they will not vote as "why bother the same people will stand just in different positions.

Interesting comments in Cebu papers the last 2 days about how the government promised PHP 23 billion but in a news conference the journos all gave the politicians a hard time as they added up the Cebu projects to just around PHP 1 billion. Then asked what about some infrastructure (PHP 150 million) that they all knew had not even started but feared had be allocated had already been 'spent'.

As a very insightful article that sums up even the local issues that impact the people and why many won't vote in the city in 2016. Unless Rody the (who runs your patch of the woods) stands as while he maybe not be to everyone's liking he has a resonance with the people it seems. To8 gh, hard, hates corruption and they like his tough guy attitude But then they say "if he stand, someone will assassinate him as he threatens the family status quo".

So as you say, many despair at how to resolve a vicious circle.

The poster (with 33 FRs) clearly has never been in the country long enough or had such discourse.

In a perfect world it would take at least 2 generations.

You are full of crap, 4221 QUOTE=Member #4221 Most foreigners walk on egg shells while in the country regardless of their activities ENDQUOTE.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1769601]In a perfect world it would take at least 2 generations.[/QUOTE]In a perfect world perhaps, but here it's been the same story for several hundred years.

GE.

[QUOTE=DCups;1769602]You are full of crap, 4221 QUOTE=Member #4221 Most foreigners walk on egg shells while in the country regardless of their activities ENDQUOTE.[/QUOTE]10 lbs of crap riddled with STD's stuffed in a 5 lb bag!

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769578]The poster (with 33 FRs) clearly has never been in the country long enough or had such discourse.[/QUOTE]Says a lot about your intelligence to judge someone's experience in a PI by the amount posts they have. Just because I am new to this forum has no correlation with my longevity or experience in Philippines. I wonder what I would I need to do to prove to you and your illogical brethren; show you my flip driver license? Show you the titles on the various properties I own? The vehicle registrations from the LTO?

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1769397]RD was way out of line IMHO but he is also entitled to his way and I hope he does not mean a sticky end with the police via a set up for he perceives as being a good hearted gentleman.
[/QUOTE]This is the same guy who uses dog collars on Filipinas while sodomizing them bareback. I wonder how do you politely ask them to do this? GE is just illogical. You are hypocritical and illogical.