Kyiv

Thanks for your contribution!

Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?

When I go, I go for up to 3 weeks, but I have never had the foresight to hire a sexy "assistant". I bet the "interviews" were interesting in themselves.

[QUOTE=Rugan;2093124]I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. ....

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[QUOTE=Rugan;2093124]I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. That worked out as a very sweet deal.[/QUOTE]This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2093621]Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?[/QUOTE]Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady.

I'll be here for two months, maybe more if I can survive the weather. Although there's a plus side to that weather as the heating bill for a winter month is 4000 uah. Which is a months salary for your basic jobs. So I expect there to be even more interest in earning some extra cash from the girls in winter.

I'd be happy to chat more in private with you.

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;2093716]This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to go into details about how I managed it. I've already shared more than perhaps I should in such a public forum. But I learned a lot from the posts here and felt it right to share back. I do hope the people reading this don't make a mess you're making me nervous about sharing the good stuff. Overenthusiastic mongers!

I'm still understanding the people here but subtlety and taking your time certainly seems to be key.

It took time and diligence. It seems Kiev is a flower that opens slowly. It took me about three weeks to put this together. If you're not coming for a significant period. Forget about it.

This was my second trip to Kiev. In short will I return. Definitely yes. Trip started Oct 9 and ends tomorrow October 14. I have done about 4 really nice looking girls this trip. Rest of them were average. It takes time to navigate Kiev. In Short if you staying or walking on Karshchatek street look out for agents. Don't settle on one agent. Look for different agents who will introduce you to different apartments. Normal cost is 2000 hrivna which is about $75 approx for nicer looking girls. Mamba girls mostly will ask $130 for one hours but I offered $100 to $130 for 2 hrs and those who accepted I saw them. There were girls on Mamba asking $300 and up but I did not partake. That is mostly guys who feel that there is better quality of girls for higher price. I beg to defer.

Rest if some one says that Kiev is not worth coming over IMHO they can stay away. I am definitely coming back. As per sharing numbers best thing I can do for you guys is share numbers of the agents as most girls will not give me their personal numbers and those who do I rather not forward as there is no need.

From 2000 + 100 taxi. Girls will only receive 600 to 700 hrivnas. Rest 400 to 500 hrivna goes to agent. And balance in my opinion is shared between owner of the house and public officials. I wish this country prostitution will become legal. If that was to happen we can see significant increase of working girls in mamba and social media.

Regards,

John.

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Is it worthy to go to Kyiv? Are the best times over? Questions and answers continue coming in. IMO every opportunity in every country is a gamble, yet with different chances. What factors affect our chances for better outcome? Length of stay, being prepared in a meaningful way, speaking local language. BTW, every girl speaks Russian, and now younger ones increasingly use Ukrainian, which is fun to learn. To some degree money helps.

What is the magic formula to measure perceived happiness per unit of funds invested in entertainment? It is somewhat subjective, yet your own attitude determines quite a bit. If one visibly suspects a cheater in every beauty walking into his life, and allows this to come across in a rather obvious way, then it's difficult to expect the above mentioned "Oscar-level GFE performance" in return. I am far from the thought of idolizing, and rules of engagement must be established rather firm from the very beginning. At the same time, sincerely enjoying the company of new acquaintance goes a long way in unfolding the true potential.

It is still possible to like this City a lot, it keeps changing, evolving, just like most of us do.

[QUOTE=Rugan;2093788]Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady..[/QUOTE]Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?

Sometimes after the initial encounter ladies decide to stay overnight on their own accord, and not because of my hot looks, or for some other altruistic reasons. This doesn't happen too frequently, yet it did. More so in Kiev and Rio-de-Janeiro (the real one, not the strip club on Khmelnitskogo), also in few Latin American localities.

Individual undertakers have more freedom to do so, rather than salon employees. Why do they stay? -- For more variety in life and good fun, of course! For better accommodations, food and drinks, romance, champagne in jacuzzi, certain entertainment, intelligent conversation (with those capable of it), and especially for us gentlemen treating them ladies as human beings, not as commodities.

In Brazil, for example, it was as simple as desire of a girl to stay in a nice place instead of taking a long way back to favela the Rocinha. Same happened in Rio Club Kiev, instead of the shared room in the dorm, mademoiselle decided to relax right here and now, sleep in, and for the next 10 days refused to go back to work altogether. Management called her repeatedly, perhaps advertising availability of one of ISG members reading this now (yes, some of you are my "tunnel brothers") and she replied in a whimsical tone: "I don't want too. I'm with my friend".

This is not to dismiss the joys of finding a rare diamond in the rough for just one or two hours by pure luck, or by persistence in trial and error process. Make no mistake, I did have my share or misfortunes, when girl was not smart, not polite or just plain lazy. On 2-3 occasions I kicked the less than qualified ones directly from the bed and out the door, - certainly allowing to put their clothes on. Now you decide if the above justifies a trip to Kiev.

[QUOTE=Tomek123;2094732]Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?[/QUOTE]Heh, no, I came with a bunch of vouchers for pedicures. Did the interviews in a cafe just next to my place. I was advised by mr HR girl that it was a good idea to do the interviews somewhere public, or the girls would get uncomfortable about turning up for the interview. I was planning to offer the girls the vouchers to come back to mine and demonstrate their skills. I think it's probably going a bit far though. The mindset the girls were in was interview mode, bit hard to switch over to cock sucking mode from that. I was giving them tests of their research skills. One girl was up for it but she wasn't someone I would hire, or particularly fuck.

So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly.

They were plying a big game about how the 'minimum price' at the places they would take me to was 100 $. I noticed one of the recent posts said the price in the apartments is 75 $.

What was interesting to me was the taxi driver after a bit of chat to show I had some knowledge of local prices is that he said "I know places with different prices". And gave me the option to say if I wanted expensive girls or cheaper girls.

He took me first to a place where he said the price was 3000 (uah) for an hour. There were four girls, all a similar level. 6-8. Nothing especially hot, or less than hot either. I took one girl there who was a student from another town, new to Kiev. She said she was 19 - so I'd guess a fresher.

Service was pretty in line with my experience in Kiev so far. She knew how to suck a cock and she wasn't in any hurry to finish up oral and move on to sex like the girls I've experienced in other countries. Is it normal in Ukraine for the girls to just happily suck away until told otherwise? That's my experience so far and I must say I like it.

The rate for an uncovered BJ was negotiated in the room and she pulled a bit of a fast one on me. Before my driver left she said 3000 no condom. But once I was in the room it was now 1500 extra for BBBJ. I told her was too much and I would leave, and she went out to tell the host I'd cancelled. But I caved and said OK.

So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

[QUOTE=Rugan;2094928]...So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?...[/QUOTE]You are contradicting your own prior statement of "Anything over 1000 UAH is laughable". Either you were too horny (and she played well enough with your other head to extort this much), or too drunk, or you made up this story to see how Forum would react.

I myself have been in similar circumstances before departure to the airport, when after already having two different ones that day, I insisted on absolutely definitely having yet another right this very moment, just because. Didn't have enough time to think it through, and paid rather dearly. As it is random stochastic process, - they may not be the most beautiful and accommodating, but their handlers and dispatchers are great psychologists.

[QUOTE=Rugan;2094928]On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.[/QUOTE]Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you.

Great advice. Met a guy on my last trip it was his first visit to Ukraine. He was looking for love on real dating sites and brought this girl her requested $1000 coach bag on thier first and only date and he didn't get any more than a kiss.

That being said I met a girl that rocked my world and we have been messaging pretty regularly. She hasn't asked me for anything so I think I'm going to send her an amazon uk gift card for her bday as a surprise and to hopefully cement my position when I come to Kiev next time.

[QUOTE=JonathanPine;2095263]Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you.[/QUOTE].