Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Dan7373]Your GFE with the lady will never be any good, unless you give her the BFE. This kind of experience you can get only when it's mutual for both you and the lady.[/QUOTE]Well Dan, I see you want to have your cake and eat it too.You want to butterfly but you want to pretend each girl at the same venue is your very special favourite so you get very best GFE.And so are coming up with the most devious plans in order to do this. The reality is that a girl will feel she is your very special favourite after you see her every time unwaveringly, and often.Many of us only take take one girl per venue to achieve this. I have a favourite girl at each of my favourite MPs.Plenty of gossiping occurs at MPs so keeping your butterflying secret doesn't work well.Another suggestion for butterflys. Take two (or three) girls at a time in order to suss them out quicker. At my favourite bar I usually take two, and still get a good experience :D Its like I have several favourites there that are friends of each other.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]You lost me, Are we still talking about Thai hookers or have we moved to Girlfriends?[/QUOTE]Many guys, including myself, prefer to be with a lady who is both of the above. Just being with a hooker without any feelings and without the GFE experience quite often isn't much fun. It's almost like masturbating yourself at home. Or doing it with a doll.But being with a girlfriend who isn't that receptive to wild sex with you whenever you feel like it quite often isn't much fun either.The most fun you can have is with a lady who bends over for you like a hooker whenever you feel like it, and who is nice to you like your girlfriend at the same time.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]....The reality is that a girl will feel she is your very special favourite after you see her every time unwaveringly, and often.Many of us only take take one girl per venue to achieve this. I have a favourite girl at each of my favourite MPs.Plenty of gossiping occurs at MPs so keeping your butterflying secret doesn't work well.Another suggestion for butterflys. Take two (or three) girls at a time in order to suss them out quicker. At my favourite bar I usually take two, and still get a good experience :D Its like I have several favourites there that are friends of each other.[/QUOTE]The problem with having only one favorite lady at each massage place is that quite often there are several good-looking ladies at the same massage place. And once you see the other good-looking ladies. Then it's hard to get them out of your mind and go to some other massage place instead.The thing is that these ladies don't really expect their men to be faithful to them. And they certainly aren't faithful to their men either. They butterfly all the time with many guys. Perhaps the problem is that these ladies have an unspoken rule among themselves that once a guy goes with one of them. Then he is her man. And all the others shouldn't do anything to attract him, or 'steal' him from her. Which means that you may choose to go with some other lady. But this other lady probably won't give you the GFE experience.And the way for a man to avoid being caught up in this unspoken code of honor is to make equal commitments to several ladies at once. So that none of them can legitimately claim you as her man.Taking out two or three ladies at once is certainly one way to butterfly without disturbing the social order among the ladies and making everyone feel uncomfortable with you. And perhaps another way is to make appointments for different days with several ladies at once, before you meet any one of them.As long as you keep up simultaneous commitments to at least two ladies at once. Then no one lady can lay her claim on you. And you can butterfly among the ladies without making these ladies feel uncomfortable with each other and with you.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]Perhaps the problem is that these ladies have an unspoken rule among themselves that once a guy goes with one of them. Then he is her man. And all the others shouldn't do anything to attract him, or 'steal' him from her. Which means that you may choose to go with some other lady. But this other lady probably won't give you the GFE experience.[/QUOTE]This phenomenon is more likely to occur at bars and after have been with same lady more than once. Girls are scared of being accused of trying to steal another girls customer.But at Sopaies, for example, the girl has no control at all over who the man chooses. To say that she will not give a GFE simply because you have been with a different girl before seems exaggerated. To start with she is not even likely to know who you have been with before.With some girls, you do get a better experience with them once you become their regular, but not quite as good the first time.I don't believe booking several girls, sight unseen is really going to achieve anything special at all. Its just strange behaviour. Anyway if you like the first one too much you might have to cancel the other bookings.Anyway you are free to do whatever you want but you must know by now the majority of us don't understand.I remember guys saying that they go to Nataree many times and always pick a different girl, no matter how good she was. Each to their own.Try not to assume you can fathom the Thai girls' psychology. Its really too hard. Nothing wrong with trying I suppose.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]This phenomenon is more likely to occur at bars and after have been with same lady more than once. Girls are scared of being accused of trying to steal another girls customer.But at Sopaies, for example, the girl has no control at all over who the man chooses. To say that she will not give a GFE simply because you have been with a different girl before seems exaggerated. To start with she is not even likely to know who you have been with before....[/QUOTE]It's true that officially the girl has no control over whom the man chooses. But I can tell you from my own experience that once I've been with one lady at a massage parlor. Then for some unknown reason I don't feel comfortable choosing any other lady there the next day. And this seems to be true for many other guys too. Because as you've said in your earlier post, guys often end up having only one favorite lady at a massage parlor. And if they want to have another lady, then they go to another massage parlor.Somehow for one reason or another, many regular guys end up in a committed relationship with one lady only at a massage parlor. Even though these guys usually want to have other ladies too. Just because some rules and norms are left unsaid and unwritten doesn't mean these rules don't exist in people's minds. All you have to do is look at how people are behaving, and you will see some evidence that these rules exist.It's possible that the inclination to commit might be in the mind-set of the man. And the ladies might not be entirely responsible for what's going on. But regardless of the reason why commitment happens. The fact is that it does happen. And there are ways to prevent and avoid such commitment for guys who wish to butterfly. I think that starting out with several ladies at once on an equal basis is a good way to prevent inadvertent commitment to one lady only. Because in such a situation it's not clear to anyone (including yourself) to which lady you are supposed to belong. You can't feel any pressure to commit yourself to one lady only. Because with several ladies, the pressures are conflicting. They cancel each other out. And it doesn't really matter where the pressure to commit comes from, whether it's from within your own mind or from the girls.Perhaps The Eden Club of Bangkok has solved this problem of loosing customers to other massage places by insisting that all of their customers take out at least two ladies at the same time. Such an arrangement probably makes the guys feel a lot more comfortable about coming back there again and again every day and butterflying there among as many ladies as they like.

Can anyone help me here? I looked into CP2 and look in is all I did. Leaving somewhat confused about the set up and system. Can anyone explain why the girls have letters before their numbers. Example: P121, or M115. This is more out of interest than necessity.Anyone have some good reports on this place?

[QUOTE=Andy Abs]Can anyone help me here? I looked into CP2 and look in is all I did. Leaving somewhat confused about the set up and system. Can anyone explain why the girls have letters before their numbers. Example: P121, or M115. This is more out of interest than necessity.Anyone have some good reports on this place?[/QUOTE]CP2 has declined from its heyday some 15 years ago, but is still going.Girls are in 3 or 4 sections. The full section on the right with older ladies is known as "phaen boraan" Thai Traditional Massage provided in addition to soapy bath, but price is fully inclusive of sex too.Moving left, the next section "Daraa" is "superstars" typically younger girls with no massage ability to speak of.Bath and sex.There may be a special row at the top of girls that do not work every day (casual), that have a slightly different price.Moving to the far left, the bigger girls section "Tolaa" does "body slide massage" on an inflated matress.There may be some sideline girls outside the main aquarium, but probably not.Unfortunately I don't remember which letters used for which section.I am well known to little cheer-woman "Anne".Places I would prefer to go to: Infinity JC, Tarawadee, Emmanuelle, Utopia, Poseidon, CopaCabana, Selene, Nataree, Longbeach, Vic Secret, IDA, Sao Botan

[QUOTE=Dan7373]Just because some rules and norms are left unsaid and unwritten doesn't mean these rules don't exist in people's minds. All you have to do is look at how people are behaving, and you will see some evidence that these rules exist....I think that starting out with several ladies at once on an equal basis is a good way to prevent inadvertent commitment to one lady only. Because in such a situation it's not clear to anyone (including yourself) to which lady you are supposed to belong. You can't feel any pressure to commit yourself to one lady only. Because with several ladies, the pressures are conflicting. They cancel each other out. And it doesn't really matter where the pressure to commit comes from, whether it's from within your own mind or from the girls.[/QUOTE]Often we see only one lady, as we couldn't envisage anyone else would be better, and repeats lead to improved GFE. Its much easier with girls you know well.I can accept that you feel you want to butterfly but your pschological programming is making you feel guilty about it. But be assured that most others are not feeling so guilty about it as you. And the girl is thinking about it far less than you too.But sure, when I go to TL2 to visit "T", I don't want "B" to see me as she might be disappointed I chose another.But its not the end of the world if she does see me or find out. Girls have to get used to this. If next time I see "B", she might ask me how "T" was. I might answer that actually "T" sucks and I made a bad mistake in choosing her. I am probably not going to say "T was better then you". LOLMany Thai men have a wife and cannot afford a committment to another girl, so that is why they always change girls, every time. They don't want to think about any particular girl.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]It's true that officially the girl has no control over whom the man chooses. But I can tell you from my own experience that once I've been with one lady at a massage parlor. Then for some unknown reason I don't feel comfortable choosing any other lady there the next day. And this seems to be true for many other guys too. Because as you've said in your earlier post, guys often end up having only one favorite lady at a massage parlor. And if they want to have another lady, then they go to another massage parlor.[/QUOTE]Look, I understand that the GFE illusion is good to have (I like it to) but Honesty never hurt anyone.I have a Fav in Almost ALL MP's I frequent but I do not always take them, I also take their fellow Masseuses. I have yet to meet a girl that will be angry or give me a bad experience as a result of my Butterflying.If anything, as Canyon so adequately put it: the experience will be better.I will give you an example: AKANE. This is the worst place to be butterflying because there is no book and all the girls are "Live" in front of you.I have my Fav in each Branch but that does not stop me from taking or trying other girls. I do not ignore the ladies I have been with, in fact, they come to me, sit and joke while I wait for the girl I picked to lock my valuables and shoes.These girls know that by being angry, they will end up no longer being chosen. A while ago, Miss MIKI showed me attitude so I completely stopped talking to her. When at Akane Chidlom, I always say something nice to all the ladies (that's the French "plus" hahaha, ok I was joking) but I always do as if MIKI isn't there. One day she tried to re-gain my trust by sitting beside me and smiling but I did not do anything, just smile back. I really wanted to turn my back to her but I did not want her to lose face in front of the other girls (even though I am sure that when I am gone she bad talks about me to the others).Just be cool, admit you like Variety and the girls will respect you for being honest. They will also be happy that you still choose them. My Fav at Luxury usually tells me all the Gossip about the other girls, which customers have the smallest cock, which girl have her period, who is popular and who is not very nice. Surprisingly, she said that the smallest dick she has seen was that of a white man. She said it was very small and very thin (so thin that the Thai size condom was even too large).Anyhow, it is a hobby for us and a business for them.Now all these talks got me excited! I will go to Akane today and use my 10 cards for a FREE Massage :D

well well well, I am now the Happy holder of 10 Akane Service cards (See attached)It is said on the cards that I can get: FREE one course 2 or 3.what exactly does this mean? 2.　Lotion Massage (Sexy)　70 min. 950B3.　Lotion Massage (Sexy)　90 min. 1100BThese are just a bad balls massage with a HJ (where the girl stay clothed).I much prefer the Fashion Massage with its Catbath and Blowjob. I will try to see if they are ready to offer me the Fashion massage for just the Price difference (providing they understand my request). I am affraid that the good old Thai "MAI DAI" will apply. Anyone try a good lady at Akane Chidlom that I can take? I haven't been there in ages.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]It's true that officially the girl has no control over whom the man chooses.....................Perhaps The Eden Club of Bangkok has solved this problem of loosing customers to other massage places by insisting that all of their customers take out at least two ladies at the same time. Such an arrangement probably makes the guys feel a lot more comfortable about coming back there again and again every day and butterflying there among as many ladies as they like.[/QUOTE]Dan, with no disrespect, other than having a different opinion so to each one his own, let me say that the explanations you gave above sound a bit complicate for what the issue is all about.We are talking about P4P, a commercial deal, at the end of the day. A girl might not like you much so she'll service you in an average way. But at the end of the day she has to service customers in a proper way or she'll be soon out of business. Some might think that is not the best job of the world (I can agree), some even enjoy doing it and being paid is even better.Some might refuse certain services or not perform them, but I strongly doubt a girl in an establishement can be picky. Onloy if she gets lots of bookings so if by chance she bumops into someone she dislike (for whatever raeason) she'll make the servicing boring/louzy/average, so you'll not rebook her again?But even this practice sounds a bit too much complicate to me, as it assumes customer is a repeate customer for the establshemnt and he wants to have her all times.Still is the customer that selects not the girl. This is a fact. Unless you talk about a SW, which is not fancy going out with you for whatever reason (maybe she thinks one is a psycho or sick or..), so she'll either directly reject you or quote a huge price or just ignore you.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]well well well, I am now the Happy holder of 10 Akane Service cards (See attached)It is said on the cards that I can get: FREE one course 2 or 3.what exactly does this mean? 2.　Lotion Massage (Sexy)　70 min. 950B3.　Lotion Massage (Sexy)　90 min. 1100BThese are just a bad balls massage with a HJ (where the girl stay clothed).I much prefer the Fashion Massage with its Catbath and Blowjob. I will try to see if they are ready to offer me the Fashion massage for just the Price difference (providing they understand my request). I am affraid that the good old Thai "MAI DAI" will apply. Anyone try a good lady at Akane Chidlom that I can take? I haven't been there in ages.[/QUOTE]Need help NicFrenchy, i cannot decide between Akane, luxury spa or Sanazka, as i will be arriving at BKK airport around 3.00pm with Mrs in tow. So not much time to look around. I am staying at the Sherton, i am after a good massage, cat bath and a BBBJ. FS is not nessary.Thanks

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Look, I understand that the GFE illusion is good to have (I like it to) but Honesty never hurt anyone.I have a Fav in Almost ALL MP's I frequent but I do not always take them, I also take their fellow Masseuses. I have yet to meet a girl that will be angry or give me a bad experience as a result of my Butterflying....[/QUOTE]Perhaps the girl doesn't get angry, but she does get disappointed a lot. And most guys don't like to disappoint their ladies like that.Whether a commitment happens or not probably depends not just on the lady but also on the guy. Some guys are more prone to commit themselves to a lady than other guys. And perhaps it's these susceptible guys who end up going to another massage parlor when they want to have another lady.That might explain why your experience has been different from mine.

[QUOTE=Mad Harry]Need help NicFrenchy, i cannot decide between Akane, luxury spa or Sanazka, as i will be arriving at BKK airport around 3.00pm with Mrs in tow. So not much time to look around. I am staying at the Sherton, i am after a good massage, cat bath and a BBBJ. FS is not nessary.Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi Harry, First let's look at what the Above places offer: [b]Sazanka:[/b] Korean Style The only massage worth its weight there is the SAZANKA MASSAGE (I believe about 2,000 thb). You will get Scrubbed, washed, hot towel massage and Oil Massage. HJ is included and ALL Providers must do it. Some girls will do BJ for a tip.NO FS[b]Akane:[/b] Japanese StyleAkane's 2 branches are good so better look at the website to see which ladies you fancy and if you really fancy one in particular, then I would suggest to call adn book her.However, I like to choose from the "Live" lineup.Akane has 3 types of MAssage: Lotion: Massage + HJ (girl will not undress)Fashion: Massage + Catbath + BJ (girl will undress Fully and you can do whatever you want to her, except FS). Unlimited pops.* There is an option at 33 where a second lady joins for the last 30mn (you do not get to choose the 2nd lady)VIP: Massage by 2 girls (usually Massage + BJ). No play between the girls. Unlimited pops.[b]Luxury:[/b] Oily Style MassageThat's inside the Luxury Hotel on soi 19, just go up the little flight of stairs.The place is very clean and the girls friendly.I suggest you order 1 hour oil massage and take it from there. If need be you can always extend (30 mn, 1 hour...).Once in the room it is up to you to negotiate what you want: ALL girls will offer FS.Avoid Christina and Nok, the rest are ok.>> My personnal choice would be Akane because this is a concept that you might not find everywhere. The girls are very nice and always willing to please. I usually get 3 shots in a 90mn fashion massage session and all the girls are happy to blow you until you drop.>> Sazanka is a good start to a week in Bangkok, to get ready for the festivities but if you are on a limited time then I would avoid it.>> Luxury has been very good to me, so good that I get upgraded to Jacuzzi (Spa Room) everytime and I have fucked a few girls in the Jacuzzi. Most girls are ok but this is not a Pornstar place like Annies, Tulip or SOL

[QUOTE=Dan7373]A lot of guys would simply start going to another massage parlor in order to avoid the embarrassment. It's hard for most guys to be in the mood for hanky-panky, when they have to deal with a situation such as this.[/QUOTE]Dan, I must be stupid because I still don't get it... what embarassment?