Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640221]I know how you are. You have the money but you do not want to feel cheated. Again, that is a john mentality. If she is your woman, you want her to feel loved and cared for. All the guys calling you a sucker do not get it. When you spend money on the right woman, it is really not a cost but an investment that will pay you much more back.[/QUOTE]Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.

[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2640304]I feel you and understand the advice. I'm going to try to make it work. If it fails, then at least I tried and the worst that can happen is that it turned me off from mongering. I've come to the realization there are some great people in this world that you can connect with, just have to get time to meet them.[/QUOTE]This hobby is fun and expensive, if she can turn you off from mongering, I guess you'll save a lot of money in the long term.

I avoid chatting with working girls on WhatsApp and keep the arrangements strictly transactional to avoid situations like yours. Sometimes the chemistry is so strong it begins putting fantasies into your head. It's happened to me on more than one occasion, but I've been able to snap out of it. It's always been the Latinas for me, in Germany the girls are rather cold and don't really provide GFE, so never had any issue there.

[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2640276]The boyfriend back home would have to be a secret from the family as they seem to like me. I'm sure they would let me know if she was running game on me, especially the mother.[/QUOTE]I am sure she is loyal to you and not the beggar she's been feeding for decades.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2640334]Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.[/QUOTE]This truth is something simps will never understand.

[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2640276]I do have my suspicions regarding the aunt, but she tells me that her aunt is the one that said to do what makes her happy. Also that she should pursue the relationship even though her 10 year marriage ended. She did have previous relationships back home and they involved the boyfriend cheating on her and she found out through the guys mother. She does want to get a visa so she can go on a cruise to Alaska with me later next year and even hinted at trying to start a nail and hair business.

The boyfriend back home would have to be a secret from the family as they seem to like me. I'm sure they would let me know if she was running game on me, especially the mother. Supposedly only 3 other guys have met her family. I work remotely and can pretty much set my schedule so we spend our times cooking, watching movies, going to movies, restaurants, etc. I'd definitely consider a prenup as the age gap marriages have high failure rate statistically. She did mention kids, but maybe in 5-8 years and I told her it isn't in my near term plans.

Like you mentioned, she did discuss the not meeting my family and friends last week and I'm not quite sure I want them to meet her just yet as the relationship has been strange to say the least. She has been great minus the trying to setup dates behind my back. I have my own family I want to spend Christmas with and I told her New Years is the best I can do. She mentioned her cousins asked if I was going to visit for Christmas and I told her I'll try to see her hometown next year. Also don't feel bad discussing this with other bros on the board as my friends are married and not sure they would understand this situation or probably tell me I'm crazy hehe.[/QUOTE]Well if the family is poor and believes that you are the one providing for them of course they are going to like you over some boyfriend that does nothing for them. So she could be hiding him from them but who knows. So the family has met other guys. We're they previous clients like you as well? At her age it seems like she doesn't have long lasting relationships for some reason. Not sure what she told you happened with these previous relationships and why they ended. Also I'm another post you mentioned her getting an abortion which you never mentioned before. I'm not sure I believe that story but who knows.

I understand you having your own family but I figured they are older know and not the age to believe in Santa and no need for you to be around if you have moved on. I do understand the guilt you probably feel for not being with them to be with a former working girl but at some point you will have to decide who's more important to you. No matter what you do one will be jealous of the other. This has been my biggest challenge since being single again and not letting anyone come between me and that part of my life.

Glad you don't feel bad discussing it here especially with all the negativity that gets thrown at you.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2640266]Elvis you are correct in many of your points, but is time for these 2 to break up and deal with there jealousy and other issues.[/QUOTE]DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2640334]Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.[/QUOTE]And investing in blue chips is what in your analogy? It cannot be hos. They are a cost. So what then? Marriage? That was the biggest financial and emotional loss of my life. For every Coke stock, there has been a Kodak.

I was and have been a contrarian and made 20 X my money in a penny stock and retired for 10 years. Maybe you need to learn how to invest in penny stocks instead of making blanket statements about them and blue chips.

Do not get me wrong. If I had to bet, I would bet that KB and his gal do not work out, but that is not just what I was talking about. People could say I invested and lost in my ex-fiancé, and they would be right if you look at things just financially but the investment yielded something of even greater value, experience. That is something KB will have that most of you will not.

Right now, KB is having sex at a higher pleasure level and emotional level than most of you guys ever will. Even if it does not work out, he knows something you guys do not. What he has, a young hot thing totally in love with him, is possible. Most of you are betting against him while you all are sitting on the sidelines afraid to go for better. He knows that he can get better than just hos for cash, and he will strive for it again, and my bet is that at some point it will succeed maybe not this time, but the next time or after that.

And with investing, I did not just walk in and get a 20 bagger. I lost my ass twice and learned from the experience.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640441]DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.[/QUOTE]I'm still going to ride this train until the wheels fall off. I'll share my experience since it is good to get insight to what others may have experienced or thinking. It is still unreal when I wake up next to her every morning and also when she is cooking in her thong and booty shorts. We were watching Game of Thrones and she started to give me a BJ which was a surprise and another time she dressed up and gave me a dance in her lingerie. She knows how to spice things up and I wonder if my transparency and honesty are what draws her to me, but who really knows?

During a video chat yesterday her dad showed me his bayonet he got recently and I told him I have green one from Hungary. The previous boyfriends she had that met her family were Mexican boyfriends and the abortion was from first boyfriend that raped her and got her pregnant. The abortion caused complications and she had to have one ovary removed. She missed the cutoff for school transfer and if can't transfer to private university then try again after the 6 month semester if the relationship lasts that long. I am working on my insecurities and jealousy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640441]I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.[/QUOTE]The only "ride" he is on is the one where the puta and her family separates him from his cash. You are a major simp if you think these 19-22 year olds develop long lasting feelings for fat middle aged gringos trawling the Tijuana alleys and night clubs.

You are just a source of cash for them, that's it. If you want a real relationship, try developing one that's not predicated with you paying for sex or supplying a steady source of easy income for them and their aunties. Talk to me when you do.

KB you seem like a good guy and I don't want to see you or any other men go through the hell that is a bad relationship. I've seen what its done to me or other guys. Your situation is relatable. We are both mongers and gambling addicts, workaholics and honestly we are both simps. The reason I broke it off with the last bar girl was because I felt that stupid simp part of myself coming out and I ghosted her to save myself. Sure a good move for self preservation but maybe I missed out on a great girl. I recently met another bar girl and we have some dates planned. The chemistry and sex with this one is insane, I haven't experienced anything like this since my last civvie girlfriend. Only this time I'm going in it with a clear head. Maybe its all a game but time will tell. She's a damn good actress if its all fake though. Point is don't throw away what could potentially be a great thing but just be realistic with what it is. You also have to stop thinking in this messed up modern dating way where everything is a transaction. The last time you "fell in love" were you thinking like this or did you just give yourself freely? Again realistically all human relationships are based on value exchange. As we get older it does become more about money than just someone attractive and fun. I got into this lifestyle by a friend in america who dates strippers. He's actually stopped mongering and has been dating one for years now. This guy isn't anything special but what I realized is he was different from the other mongers and you are too if she's choosing to be with you. Think of the type of guy who goes to the Zona. They are young guys, guys already married, old men, low level dudes who couldn't even get a fat girl in america, rich guys who will just pump and dump her. For her to be with you this long you are obviously a better choice, probably even better than local mexicanos which guys on here say maybe she might still be dating but remember those mexicans will never have the power an american has. We also arent into machismo which they seem to like. Obviously the way you are handling this relationship isn't going the best. If you want this to work out you are going to have to change your mentality.

[QUOTE=BigMagick;2640466]KB you seem like a good guy and I don't want to see you or any other men go through the hell that is a bad relationship. I've seen what its done to me or other guys. Your situation is relatable. We are both mongers and gambling addicts, workaholics and honestly we are both simps. The reason I broke it off with the last bar girl was because I felt that stupid simp part of myself coming out and I ghosted her to save myself. Sure a good move for self preservation but maybe I missed out on a great girl. I recently met another bar girl and we have some dates planned. The chemistry and sex with this one is insane, I haven't experienced anything like this since my last civvie girlfriend. Only this time I'm going in it with a clear head. Maybe its all a game but time will tell. She's a damn good actress if its all fake though. Point is don't throw away what could potentially be a great thing but just be realistic with what it is. You also have to stop thinking in this messed up modern dating way where everything is a transaction. The last time you "fell in love" were you thinking like this or did you just give yourself freely? Again realistically all human relationships are based on value exchange. As we get older it does become more about money than just someone attractive and fun. I got into this lifestyle by a friend in america who dates strippers. He's actually stopped mongering and has been dating one for years now. This guy isn't anything special but what I realized is he was different from the other mongers and you are too if she's choosing to be with you. Think of the type of guy who goes to the Zona. They are young guys, guys already married, old men, low level dudes who couldn't even get a fat girl in america, rich guys who will just pump and dump her. For her to be with you this long you are obviously a better choice, probably even better than local mexicanos which guys on here say maybe she might still be dating but remember those mexicans will never have the power an american has. We also arent into machismo which they seem to like. Obviously the way you are handling this relationship isn't going the best. If you want this to work out you are going to have to change your mentality.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she mentioned being more chivalrous like opening doors and making her feel like a lady, but I told her I don't do that for anyone. People usually open doors for me and I'm confused why she hasn't walked from all the antics I've pulled. I met my ex and 3 months later we were married for 20 years. It is just the chemistry you feel when you're together and feel like you're going home when you're with them. Vulnerabilities are shared and accepted. I stopped gambling and mongering since being with her so I guess that is a positive. I have lost 10 pounds in past 2 months as she is trying to be healthy and doesn't want to gain weight. We do cardio training together and have similar life goals. My weekly food budget is probably her families monthly budget. I've learned to eat more potatoes and vegetables with her since she cooks with more budget friendly ingredients.

The hard thing with people is reading them and knowing their true intentions. The more time you spend and get to know each other, then the more you'll know if she is the one for you. Crazy that mongering was so much easier when I was married.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640441]DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.[/QUOTE]Yep, there some guys that hate everybody and are actively rooting for guys to fail. I guess this from there own insecurities and jealousy. I want everyone to succeed. I am very critical of Kiev and Colombia, but I always try to give destinations that I feel are way better. I also give trip reports, so hopefully some can learn from my success and failures. When we met we had a great conversation, we did not agree on everything, but that is okay and that is how you learn new things.

I can careless if guys go there, and I want them to have fun, and go with the proper expectations.

[QUOTE=Sol12;2640377]Glad you don't feel bad discussing it here especially with all the negativity that gets thrown at you.[/QUOTE]He's definitely handling the negative feedback like a champ. Hope he wakes up and sees her for what she really is: a puta.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2640441]DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.[/QUOTE]I think he first needs to sort out his insecurities before he pursues a relationship. Pursuing a relationship with a puta is playing with fire, they're more often than not damaged goods. Going through your partner's phone is a red flag.

[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2640485]Yeah, she mentioned being more chivalrous like opening doors and making her feel like a lady, but I told her I don't do that for anyone. People usually open doors for me and I'm confused why she hasn't walked from all the antics I've pulled. I met my ex and 3 months later we were married for 20 years. It is just the chemistry you feel when you're together and feel like you're going home when you're with them. Vulnerabilities are shared and accepted. I stopped gambling and mongering since being with her so I guess that is a positive. I have lost 10 pounds in past 2 months as she is trying to be healthy and doesn't want to gain weight. We do cardio training together and have similar life goals. My weekly food budget is probably her families monthly budget. I've learned to eat more potatoes and vegetables with her since she cooks with more budget friendly ingredients.

The hard thing with people is reading them and knowing their true intentions. The more time you spend and get to know each other, then the more you'll know if she is the one for you. Crazy that mongering was so much easier when I was married.[/QUOTE]Thats what a good women does, she makes you better. It sounds like you need to learn some Spanish. It would make things more intimate and over all smoother. The girls love that I speak it. When I hear a bar girl speak English its a huge turn on. Instead of watching netflix with her so much try some Spanish lessons. Spanish is similar to English. You should be able to pick it up fast. You have a native speaker at your disposal.