Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between a German mentality and Portuguese mentality. I have few relatives live in Hamburg. You took it the wrong way. What I was trying to say that Brazilian P4P owners are smart now and the tag prices while comparing to the global sex industry. No need to be emotional here.

[QUOTE=Viajero11;2072338]If you want to cut to the chase and just read detailed reviews of prive girls, freelancers, and termas, you may want to check the local forums. They provide you with names, locations, numbers, websites, etc. And you don't have to wade through the chit chat. Simple common sense then leads you to look for foristas with multiple posts, girls who have multiple positive reviews, and of course reviews that describe the kind of girl and experience you're looking for. They've done most of the legwork for you, most reviews are pretty detailed, and you can usually find a picture of the girl. If this is kind of strategy works for you, and of course if you have some Portuguese, it's sort of a no-brainer, kind of served up on a silver platter.[/QUOTE]
Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2072388]Amen! Very right.
If you want useful information like addresses, performance details etc the local forums (gpguia etc) are the only options. Sometimes there can be some useful information in this forum, but you have to scroll by all the posts by the posters who just want to show off their talents in the virtual world and all the desk-mongers posting about the past. However the real gems, the 10-point newbie gems you'll find when you do your legwork. Knock on lots of doors. The gems not reported yet in the local forums. The real gems might stay in a cheap puteiro just a couple of weeks before they disappears to some unknown destiny.[/QUOTE]Of course, the local sex forums in Portuguese have more up to date information on addresses, looks, performance, etc. That's about true in every country vis--vis the ISG. Gpguia with the multitude of local mongers is categorized along the lines of termas, escorts and clinicas with details on girls by name. Gpguia also has its share of conversational elements, but again it's categorized that way.

ISG has always been a conversational home for sexual tourists who might drop into a city infrequently. It's particularly helpful for me when I drop into a new city. The information on where to stay, where to hang out, where to eat, currency matters might seem inane to some seasoned pros, but I have always found them helpful. It's always great to hear about a recommended girl, but I have had volumes of female contacts and recommendations over the years that move on abruptly or don't return calls / texts.

Guys like AltoBomGosto on the ISG Sao Paulo board, while they might have a business interest, provide an invaluable service on up to the minute info on the clinica girls. Over the years when Rio was a hotbed for sex tourism, there were several guys posting on Rio here and elsewhere that they would find you a great apartment, take you around Rio and even introduce you to hotties of which they sometimes published photos. For myself, I didn't need that kind of hand-holding, but you could see deer in the head lights (blood rushing to penis) guys just getting off the plane who needed this kind of help.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070055]The P4P market had not been the same and the attitude of the girls changed due to increased level of competition and lower income. Nearly, all the escort service agencies, Help Disco, few Termas, Balcony bar and other left over options have shut down permanently for the past few years.[/QUOTE]Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.

[QUOTE=EricCartman;2071256] ... 40 minutes all-in cash price at Solarium is now BRL 505, including girl / room / entrada.[/QUOTE]It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2072706]Interesting comment and the changes in girl's attitudes actually understandable. While us long-time Rio visitors think about the changes in Rio's sex scene in the last ten years from our own perspective, think about it from the perspective of a garota de programa.

The various expired venues where programa girls met foreign men in an informal, party environment was beneficial for both sides. The girls could go have a good time, interact with men who were willing to pay for their services and the allusion of a long-term relationship could be maintained. Just as the men could choose girls, the girls also had a choice in the matter. A fairly attractive girl could be selective and wasn't required by a termas, clinica or agency owner to service every fat, slob client in a small box of a room. A nice, decent monger might buy her drinks, dance with her, take her home to a large apartment and even take her out for lunch the next day (and perhaps beyond). As far as money, I saw the fairly attractive, cute girls I knew make a connection six maybe seven days a week (absolutely no problem) pulling in $400-500 plus a week in a country where $250 a month was a common wage for a six day-eight hour plus week. The stunning beauties had far more options and income.

This is the Rio we all lost when the local government decided enough was enough for Rio as a playground for sex tourists.

Sidebar: I would hook-up with a bombshell I met at Help twice a year for several years. Every time I would call her to say I was coming to Rio, she would say "Let's meet at Help Tuesday night (or whatever night) I will wait for you near the bathrooms". Every time, she would be there waiting. I figured this was because she knew if I was a no-show all would not be lost. However over time, I noticed she liked me to buy her a Blue Jeans (energy drink) without vodka and she would want to dance for a few hours before leaving. Both the good time and the allusion were intact.[/QUOTE]I agree that terma locations are shrinking but I disagree performances and attitude is affected.

Personally in July I had 3 fantastic chicks at T31-super cool girls-charming, sexy and great in the room.

Had 2 ex VM and T31 over to the crib-great vibe / sex. As good as in the past.

Trash terma 210 another great light skin big booty negra and in Bilac 13 great morena both CIM and fun, great fucks.

Mabs threw up a lovely negra from Rochina-sweet girl and great fuck w cim-150 reais...

You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session.

That hasnt changed in Rio imho.

Abracos.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2072762]It's been 505 BRL for months. That's not new. I called them back in May and they told me the current rate was 505.[/QUOTE]Still a rip-off then!

After 4 years in Rio I want at least 2 hours for max half that amount of money.

We put in the time so that should always reduce the outlay.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072779]You have to look a little harder but as usual when you feel the chemistry, you are pretty much guaranteed a good session. That hasnt changed in Rio imho[/QUOTE]When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2072791]When there's chemistry, why aren't more guys inviting the terma and clinica girls back to their apartments on their off time? It's easy to make it more lucrative than their time at the terma or clinica. Many of the terma girls are young and unattached. 4 x4 girls are great because they have weekends off. Yes, I am very well of no shows, but I have had more success than failures.

Me thinks, most foreign mongers are lazy, don't learn a lick of Portuguese and think knocking on the door of a clinica is hard work. A little charm, a little Portuguese and a little money go a long way.[/QUOTE]My experience has been thatthe terma girls want the same rate in your apartment that you would pay fro 1 hour in the terma. Kinda defeats the purpose of having them over if I have to pay the same amount. I might ask some of the prive / massage girls over and see what they say in terms of time and money on my next trip.

Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/la-cicciolina-um-dos-principais-inferninhos-de-copacabana-pode-fechar-21704747.html[/URL]

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P

[QUOTE=Spidy;2072852]Boite La Cicciolina, is down for the count and more than likely won't get up for the count. Due to debts piling up, the economic crisis, low customer turnout and a lack of "dancers", it looks like they will be closing their doors permanently.

[URL]https://extra.globo.com/noticias/rio/la-cicciolina-um-dos-principais-inferninhos-de-copacabana-pode-fechar-21704747.html[/URL]

Frankly I'm surprised they lasted this long. But in such dire economic conditions in Brazil, I guess no one is immune from the reaper. Who's Next?

La Cicciolina R.I.P[/QUOTE]The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072926]The gringo fanbase eroding as they avoid violence-ridden Rio!

Monte Carlo I think is next to go and places like Barbarellas are in danger my friend told me who knows the manager- couple of Centaurus girls ive known for years told me its never been weaker there and they are doing more online.
Make of that what you will.
Things evolve as a result of many factors(poverty,crime) but Rio is defintely on the way out. The more integrated punter (portugues speaking, knowing brazilian culture, scouring forumxs etc will always be ok in Rio.
Centro is one big knock-shop literally and more clinicas and more trash spots will appear to please a broke fanbase as they are easy to set up and close down.
I cant see my beloved tier2/3 spots dissapearing as they are very cheap but with the new evangelical mayor in Rio and economic crisis,it could be a wrap soon....
Lets be real-many just visit Rio for the sexo and then cram the sights in on a sunday!lol
So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Rio for about 15 years and have learned to speak portuguese.

IMHO, the pro scene has never been weaker than it is now, but on the other hand my access to non-pros have never been better thanks to a number of brazilian friends.

Fewer tourists and a significant drop in demand from locals have made many businesses unsustainable and I am sure more closures lie ahead.

Have been to Brazil 2 times.

Rio and SP.

RIO thermas my favorite and had a good time at MC and Solarium (hated Centauraus). Mostly MC fan.

This time I have Saturday to Saturday time 7-8 days.

I am planning to spend 2-3 days in Rio. Between MC /4 x4. Have never been to 4 x4. Is it worth it. I like more of the slim big tops, fairer skinned girls. (what is the working hours here and any cost info / breakups).

(yes, I read the Forum. And I have a collected tips as much as possible. ISG is a treasure).

I am considering 1-2 days in Porto Alegro and 1-2 days in SP.

Is this plan too much. Any guidance.

I aways stay at Rio Othon next door to MC. I am in touch with some Barberralla girls from the past and they suggested to go to a "Love Motel" for 3 some feast.

I have not booked any hotels / local flights yet.

Which hotel in Rio will you recommend if I want to cover good thermas. (not a big fan of massage places. But will love some recommendations).

Or should I get to copa aparments. I do want to bring some one back to the room but always worried for personal safety in an apartment.

Should I even tire myself going to SP and POA? Any words of wisdom.

POA I heard has more Caucasian looking girls. What are good mongering spots there?

SP. I have used ABG in the past and that is a safe bet for me for short window time. And I am well covered as I also have some numbers.

Any guidance from the senior folks?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2072926]So if Rio loses its pay 4 sex-appeal,maybe SP will win even more.
Im happy i learnt portugues and always pursued non pros because even more non-pros will become the new semi-pros like in Dominican Republic where most girls except from upper class can be "persuaded"..its a logical result of the crisis.[/QUOTE]Scandallo in SP has some sweetheart, quasi-pros who drop in periodically from the other states. I'm sure many of them make their money and head back home staying under the radar. The prices are still a bit high, but that's where charm and language enters into it. I gladly pay those rates and then some if I can make a girl comfortable and get her to hang out. There is also far less stigma being seen with an older gringo in SP.

Before the economy took off in the mid-2000's, there were articles in Brazil lamenting the phenomenon of middle class girls going to nightclubs where they could secretly make a few bucks. There are clubs in every city where under the radar programa girls are known to hang out, but they mix in with girls who are there just to socialize, dance, etc. You have to deal with some rejection to find that girl who can be "persuaded".

I admire the guys who have the patience to work social media to find dates.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2073031]Scandallo in SP has some sweetheart, quasi-pros who drop in periodically from the other states. I'm sure many of them make their money and head back home staying under the radar. The prices are still a bit high, but that's where charm and language enters into it. I gladly pay those rates and then some if I can make a girl comfortable and get her to hang out. There is also far less stigma being seen with an older gringo in SP.

Before the economy took off in the mid-2000's, there were articles in Brazil lamenting the phenomenon of middle class girls going to nightclubs where they could secretly make a few bucks. There are clubs in every city where under the radar programa girls are known to hang out, but they mix in with girls who are there just to socialize, dance, etc. You have to deal with some rejection to find that girl who can be "persuaded".

I admire the guys who have the patience to work social media to find dates.[/QUOTE]Good stuff re SP. I will go at some point.

Yeah social media is my go to place for non-pros. Brazil is one of the easiest places to meet non pros especially if you speak portu. I can go to Rio and just date non pros off cupid with no p4 p but its alwasy fun to dip in the dark waters.