Kyiv

[QUOTE=Rugan;2099538]I see you don't have PM currently. So from relaxkiev I've got a few numbers for places that have multiple girls. I'm sure I could ask them to send a few girls over to choose from. But how would you get numbers to call for the apartments? I have my taxi take me there at the moment, I could ask for their number when I'm there I guess.[/QUOTE]Question to veterans. What can I use to pay for membership, while in Kiev? Are there local prepaid debit Visa cards available? I am understandably hesitant to use personal credit card. PM would be nice.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2101467]Cool. The post was about top mongering destinations though. Cluj is great for the massage joints about $40 for a happy ending massage from hot college chicks but the escort scene is horrible. Las Vegas is one of the worst in USA for mongering unless you have a lot of money to spend. But yes it's a great place for normal girls as a new crop comes in every weekend and they all want to party and fuck![/QUOTE]Yeah, as semi-pros, -who actually like to fuck but won't refuse any "gift"- are discussed frequently on here as well there might have arisen some confusion as I was merely referring to them with my top 10.

Pure mongering of course: Pattaya, Dominican Republic, Angeles, Kiev, Berlin, Tijuana.

[QUOTE=RollBuzz;2098697]Tomas11, can you please explain what is meant by channel? Where do you get plenty of phone numbers from semi-pros if you are not using Mamba. Ru?[/QUOTE]Channel is a whatup chat group where you get the real info what girls are available right now, however you have to be in Kiev to use it, they don't like chit chat.

You have to speak Russian to get lots of numbers from semi-pros, don't want to ruin this source in a public forum, if you want PM me and I will exchange the info.

[QUOTE=Rugan;2097381]Thanks for taking the time to share your experience Volpone.

Well my current taxi / guide says he only knows apartments in the 1500-3000 uah range. He seems very invested in directing me towards the upper end apartments so I can only assume he gets a cut. I'm sure it's already been covered but if anyone cares to elaborate on how the guide / apartments relationship works that would be great. He took me to two places tonight. The first had two girls and was apparently 2000 uah for an hour. Neither were interesting to me. The second was 2500 uah. There were five girls to choose from. Sunday isn't the best night. Two were chubby and the other three were all pretty cute.

So tonight I paid 2500 uah and an extra 1000 uah for BBBJ. $130. The service was, as seems to be the norm here, excellent. I asked her if she kissed which was probably a dumb move as, of course, it turns out she does, but only for extra. Then she said the same for cunnilingus. I suspect giving her a kiss very early in the engagement, maybe even before she gets out of the lounge and into the room would be a smart move.

I'm remain very impressed by the quality of BJs over here. As someone who loves a long BJ this place is a heaven. Back in the FKKs in Germany I put significant effort into finding the girls who could give head for long time. Here it just seems to be a given that the BJ goes on for as long as you want. That in itself was worth the trip..[/QUOTE]I'm curious which sites you used to post adverts for models. I am a photojournalist working in Ukraine full time and wanted to do some fashion and boudoir shoots and wasn't sure of best places to search for potential models.

Hi guys,

I am going to Kiev in Dec for 4 days.

I am looking for girls under 28 years old (I am 30), 7-10 on a scale of 10.

And I am willing to compensate 100 euro (120 USD, 3000 UAH) for 2-3 hours.

Am I asking for too much? Is it realistic?

I read the posts here. I have an idea about Mumba and Tinder.

How do you distinguish those who look for long term relationship vs those who look for paid sex?

Also, it looks like there are so many fake profiles. I get quite affected by frustration. If I go and get disappointed by a lot of fakes, I may ruin the mood of my whole trip.

Call me lazy, but I am not willing to spend hours researching and video-chatting girls to make sure they are not real.

Is there a way to use mumba or tinder most efficiently to avoid fake profiles?

From the forum, I have also learned of relaxkiev and ukraine. [URL]cracker.com[/URL].

It is not clear to me how many of them are fake. What do you guys think?

I do like the idea of Mumba.

Ideally if it clicks with a girl, I would love her to show me around (again pay a small amount for her time), have dinner together and then spend the night with me.

Yet, I have to admit that I am not willing to spend days looking for one girl.

If you have Mumba profiles you would recommend, please let me know (I don't have PM). I would very much appreciate it.

[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2101040]I understand and believe you, but I am sure most will agree that learning Russian and practically moving to Kiev is a little excessive to sleep with white blondes. I tried Mamba, Rio, online dating, tinder, the apartments, Sky Bar, Vodka Bar, Bhudda Bar, blah blah blah. All of them were disappointing, and working your way through the scams is exhausting. Its just not a monger friendly city as a tourist.

I am actually having much more success with [URL]travelgirls.com[/URL] , I have had one Latvian Blond and one Ukrainian blond staying at my house for the cost of a European flight. It take a little time, but not all the girls on there are scammer. I will try Moscow next year, some positives reports come from here.

Best wishes.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree with you my friend and good luck to your hunting in Moscow. But my humble suggestion is that in Russia provincial cities are better than Moscow in terms of price and quality of girls. This summer I fcked a hot single mother in Volgograd for somewhere around 2000 or 3000 roubles if I remember it correctly. I found her on a local call girl website and it seems her profile is real. Maybe in non-tourist cities there are less fake photos I guess.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=KY694;2102412]Hi guys,

I am going to Kiev in Dec for 4 days.

I am looking for girls under 28 years old (I am 30), 7-10 on a scale of 10.

And I am willing to compensate 100 euro (120 USD, 3000 UAH) for 2-3 hours.

Am I asking for too much? Is it realistic?

I read the posts here. I have an idea about Mumba and Tinder.

How do you distinguish those who look for long term relationship vs those who look for paid sex?.[/QUOTE]That's quite a lot of questions bro. I suggest you to read through the forum posts of recent months and you will find answers to most of your questions. Mongering in Kiev, as you probably know, is not a easy thing for first-time foreign travellers with limited time and budget, so knowledge is important. Please take your time and read the posts.

Happy hunting.

Yesterday as my sponsored girl was busy, I decided to try something new. Went to call a taxi outside Arena and asked the driver if he know where to find devushki and he said yes. The driver was a little bit old and quite nice, speaks very limited English but since my Russian is okay, it was not a problem. He said he knows several places and took me to check them. The first place we went is located somewhere on Shota Rustaveli street (not far from arena) inside a residence area and its name I can't remember exactly but the first name is "Wild" (two words altogether). It's not ordinary apartment but rather more like a small entertainment complex. There were many facilities inside including baths, billiard table, and several rooms. The decoration was quite classy compared to ordinary apartments.

So my driver called and a beautiful blonde opened the door who turned out to be the manager there. We went in and about six to seven girls came for my to pick, but they were quite old and not good-looking and not interesting to me at all. Actually I think the manager is so hot with beautiful blue eyes, long blond hair and attractive curves, and also looks quite young. So I would rather take her than the girls standing there for me to pick, but I was not sure if she was available and thought it would be inappropriate to ask. So I said I was going to leave but quite hesitated while looking at her. She saw I was hesitated and guessed why, and said ' ya? Ya tozhe rabotayo (me? I also work)' but only after thirty minutes. I was quite surprised and agreed immediately to meet her after 30 min.

While waiting, I decided to check another place with my driver. My driver took me to an apartment on Baseina street. Didn't had high expectation beforehand since I know the quality of the majority of apartment girls from both my own experience and forum posts, but it turned out to be a surprise. Five girls were available there and except one or two not to my taste, all quite young, pretty, and hot. Two were tall and slim (one was even taller than me, it seems), one was a little short and fat, but with big boobs. I would rate the tall beautiful girl as 8 if not 9, and the rest above 7, What's even better is the fact that they were all very welcoming and kind to me and tried hard to persuade me to stay there. But since I already promised to fck the manager girl, I decided to come back the other day.

We still had time and the driver said he knew other places but I thought these were enough discoveries for the day so I told him just take me back to the Wild xxx and wait a few minutes for the manager girl. After a while she came out and let me in. I kindly thanked the driver, gave him 500 grivnas and asked him to come back after 1 or 2 hours. Then I went to a room with the girl and fcked her. She was 22, typical Ukrainian hottie, spoke little to zero English. The price was 3000 gr per hour and 2500 for the second our (yeah more expensive than more apartments but to me was worth it). I took her one hour and was sent to hotel by my taxi driver. BTW drinks and snacks were available in that place.

My next plan during this stay in Kiev is to contact my driver again and come back to the second apartments to fck the hotties there. They are hotter than my sponsored girl I have to admit, though I used to rate her 10, haha.

Conclusions:

1. It's still possible to find gems in apartments if you have time and patience. Don't get frustrated after just a few failed tries.

2. Russian language skill is vital. Step out of your comfort zone and do some studies in your free time before you come to Kiev. Even some basic phrases would help.

3. Kiev is a lovely city of amazement and surprise.

Best wishes.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2102612]That's quite a lot of questions bro. I suggest you to read through the forum posts of recent months and you will find answers to most of your questions. Mongering in Kiev, as you probably know, is not a easy thing for first-time foreign travellers with limited time and budget, so knowledge is important. Please take your time and read the posts.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2102630]We still had time and the driver said he knew other places but I thought these were enough discoveries for the day so I told him just take me back to the Wild xxx and wait a few minutes for the manager girl. After a while she came out and let me in. I kindly thanked the driver, gave him 500 grivnas and asked him to come back after 1 or 2 hours. Then I went to a room with the girl and fcked her. She was 22, typical Ukrainian hottie, spoke little to zero English. The price was 3000 gr per hour and 2500 for the second our (yeah more expensive than more apartments but to me was worth it). I took her one hour and was sent to hotel by my taxi driver. BTW drinks and snacks were available in that place.

My next plan during this stay in Kiev is to contact my driver again and come back to the second apartments to fck the hotties there. They are hotter than my sponsored girl I have to admit, though I used to rate her 10, haha.[/QUOTE]Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!!

[QUOTE=KY694;2102816]Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KY694;2102804]Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.[/QUOTE]Yes your impression is right, mongering in Kiev is not as easy as in Germany for foreign travelers, but for me it is quite a fun.

[QUOTE=KY694;2102816]Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).[/QUOTE]I offer my sponsored girl 30000 grivnas every month, sometimes more. Whether sponsoring a girl would be a cheaper option depends on how long you are staying in Kiev and how frequent you want sex.

As for the apartment address, the exact address I don't really know, but I do remember some signs there that would make you easy to find it. It is located on Baseina Vylicia opposite to the famous shopping mall Gulliver. You can see an entrance to the residence area and I remember there's a billboard standing right in front of it on the street. Once you go inside, turn right and you can see a circle shaped advertise board hanging on the building, and to its left there's a door of the apartment. Go into the door and walk along the stairs until you see some graffiti on the wall. Once you see the graffiti, climb another set of stairs and on your right hand side is the apartment with girls. However please be aware that in Kiev the girls in the apartment and the apartments themselves may keep changing, and since your visit will be after my month, my information may not be up-to-date enough for you. Also please notice that you can negotiate prices at apartments and may get some discounts sometimes. Just ask "mozhno skidki? (discounts possible?

I'm not sure if there are English-speaking guides. Most people here do not speak very good English and that's why I'm working my ass off studying Russian in my spare time. The local language is helpful for you, not just to talk with guides and negotiate prices, but also to please the girls and make them feel more comfortable, and of course to increase your enjoyment and satisfaction in general.

[QUOTE=LilJoey;2099647]I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev. Because my experience over the last years I have continued to visit Kiev every time I have a business trip to Europe has been just the opposite.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively.

And yes it is true, that in the few weeks before arriving in Kiev, you must spend time writing to different girls on mamba. Ru, in order to correspond with them, weed out the no good ones, get the girls' mobile numbers for Viber or Whatsapp if possible, and schedule meetings with them. But this time spent is definitely worth it IMHO.

Because the mamba profile pics are invariably fake, one step in the communication process must be to ask each girl to send her current and real photos.

Mamba use pointers.

For the sake of those of you struggling to use mamba to find hot girls in Kiev, let's review some basic pointers so that maybe you can get better results.

Mamba is a social website and has many users. In Kiev, a particular aspect of mamba is that girls looking for sponsors are using the site to find sponsors. As well, apartment brothels and escort agencies have also been using mamba to reach clients, because they became aware that many mongers are looking for P4P girls on mamba. This aspect of mamba having P4P girls on it is more pronounced on mamba in Kiev, and you won't find this phenomenon is many other locations in the world. But for Kiev it has been and remains a good resource for P4P.

Mamba has undergone changes over the years, but this only means that we must adapt ourselves and the manner in which we search for girls on the site. In the past girls looking for P4P clients simply wrote in their profiles that they are meeting with guys for material benefits, or some such language. Currently that is mostly not done, and P4P girls are putting in their profiles at the bottom the words "looking for a sponsor". They also have the option to simply leave that space blank. Or they can choose the option which says "not looking for a sponsor and not willing to become one".

I think you should not bother to send any message to girls who list the third option, as there seems to be no point. You can choose to limit your searches only to those girls who list "looking for sponsor" in their profiles. That way you already know you are dealing with a P4P girl, which is helpful in drafting the wording of your messages. But I have found that lately, there is a higher concentration of agencies in this category, and also there are many P4P girls on mamba who do not use the "looking for sponsor" tag in their profiles because they want the plausible deniability of a profile that is not obviously a girl looking for P4P. So the only category to avoid is the girls specifically writing "not looking for sponsor".

(The reason I don't focus only on the looking for sponsor category is that it is infested with agencies or apartment brothels. And the mentality of the persons operating these mamba profiles is infected with the stupidity of Eastern European thinking in dealing with a commercial enterprise. So they routinely will not want to communicate with anyone who is not already in Kiev, on the idea that they don't want to waste their time on anyone who isn't ready to immediately book an appointment. The concept of customer service and marketing / advertising, and developing a customer base has not yet filtered into their pre-soviet socialist mindset, and such capitalist concepts like customer service are a waste of time in their view. I guess they do not realize that there are many potential customers they could market themselves to, by indulging in some communication, who are foreign travelers coming to Kiev and want to have a good time. And so as soon as they perceive that you are not yet in Kiev, they will lose interest in communicating with you, or they may block you, instead of having the brains to cultivate you as a client, and secure an appointment from you. Also because they use multiple listings of profiles on mamba and repetitive listings of the same profiles and therefore they always find themselves in communication with the same customers who are going thru the profiles and writing to different girls whose profiles they like. So instead of simply sending their number again. They will block you, and turn a customer they already had, who had taken their number for use when in Kiev, into a non-customer who will no longer call them because they blocked him and appear to be uninterested in his business. Anyways, the stupidity of the way the agencies handle themselves on mamba is not my interest, only to make you aware of their behaviors so you can avoid. Therefore, do not be perturbed or worried that the profile of the really beautiful girl blocked you for no apparent reason after a polite message, because if there was only one or two photos, and a behavior like that, it is most likely an agency, and not a real girl, and they recognized that they communicated with you before. So now they block you, insuring that you will never become a customer of theirs. Just move on from such economic stupidity, and don't worry about it or get insulted by it.)..[/QUOTE]LilJoey,

thank you for your article. It's extremely informative. My initial plan was to go to St. Petersburg in the summer but I'm thinking that maybe Kiev is an alternative. The plan you are suggesting although is very good must be very time consuming. For someone that is traveling to Kiev many time it worth doing but I don't know if it's worth for a 1 time tourist. I suppose that in your first times you must had few disappointments but with time you have learn. Would like to ask you 2 things:

1) How much time it take you to find a girl.

2) Is it possible to share some pictures (you can cover the faces) to see what level are we talking about?

Also congratulations for your ability to write big articles. I wish I had it.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2102870]Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!![/QUOTE]Yes Rog, that was my first few message.

Now I learned not to mention it.

In my message, now I briefly describe who I am. Explained that I am visiting Kiev. Would love to meet for a coffee or even something more, if the girl feel comfortable with it. Finally I clear state that I can offer to sponsor them without specific amount.

As an exercise, I sent it 30 girls 2 days ago, regardless of my interest, just to see how many reply I will get.

So far I got one reply, from a girl who thought I was genuinely looking for friendship lolll.

When I explain that I would like more if she feels comfortable after meeting me, she said no. Friend-zoned.