Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2863195]Monger rule #2: Never pay a FL, SW, or Escort in advance unless you enjoy receiving bad service.[/QUOTE]I agree. I always stuck to "payment after" rule everywhere I mongered but it was very difficult to continue with it in Casarao.

Do you manage to avoid prepayment with all the Casario girls? I am especially talking about 1st session in the club. Takeout and hosting at you place doesn't count.

Most of the Casarao girls insist on pre payment and they refused to go with me when I insisted on payment after the session. I finally relented during my recent trip a month and half ago and prepaid most of the girls at Casarao, which increased the pool of girls to choose from. Luckily all of them delivered good service. I have asked few local men at the club if they prepay and they all said yes. I wonder what the experience of the forum members who visited Casarao. Do you prepay or not at Casarao?

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2863671]I agree. I always stuck to "payment after" rule everywhere I mongered but it was very difficult to continue with it in Casarao.

Do you manage to avoid prepayment with all the Casario girls? I am especially talking about 1st session in the club. Takeout and hosting at you place doesn't count.

Most of the Casarao girls insist on pre payment and they refused to go with me when I insisted on payment after the session. I finally relented during my recent trip a month and half ago and prepaid most of the girls at Casarao, which increased the pool of girls to choose from. Luckily all of them delivered good service. I have asked few local men at the club if they prepay and they all said yes. I wonder what the experience of the forum members who visited Casarao. Do you prepay or not at Casarao?[/QUOTE]I posted about my Casarao experience in an earlier post. So What happens if you pay upfront, and there is a disagreement in the room because drunk asses like me don't always make the best decisions at the moment?

BTW I will post about my mulatto garotas threesome, Duplo experience in a scandallo report. Each garota was $600 reais, for the best Illusion of Passion (IOP) lesbians experience meets my Illusion of money (IOM) kkkk.

I found a cutie garota in Casarap late night after a superb visit to scandallo.

We walk to the Casarao Hotel and are standing in the long ass line to get a room. It's 1 am or 2 am there is a waiting system to call your number when a room is ready.

We grab a seat and drink more flirting. We agreed on a price of $400 reais one hour. She offers to receive payment in Pix or credit. She pulls out a small terminal from her purse.

Damn I considered it for a half second then thought if I swipe my card I might not be able to use the card in Prime, Tangar, or Miruna Clinica in the morning. Haha its the only reason I don't swipe thinking about the duplos in the morning. I changed and told her lets do cash, it's better. Our number is called, we are stumbling in the hallway to the rooms.

Off we go to the rooms down a long hallway, downstairs up other stairs, darn another maze of rooms. We reach the room.

In the room, she says to pay upfront. I responded not. For a few minutes, it was a Mexican standoff.

Having been in a similar situation in Tijuanaa Adelitas I offer a compromise. I pull $400 reais, count them out loud, and, together. I ask for her high heels shoe. Place the dinero underneath her high heel shoe on top of the cabinet. She can see the money is there and it's hers when the deed is done.

She agrees great it worked.

This pretty garota drops to her knees for an intense ten minutes of really good BBBJ sloppy deepthroat. She stops mid slurp smiles and says she is too drunk to continue.

She was drunk as hell in the club. We had a bunch of strong drinks. She looks up, sloppy salvia on her face, and tells me to keep the $400 reais she's not charging for anything!

Oh well, a first for me.

Casarao is indeed a strip club and sex show with the husband and and wife team today around 0430 hrs this Saturday morning.

Next.

Performer wife picked a male audience for a free BBBJ sitting on stage while they covered his head and face with a towel. Later, Husband and a third morena garota got doggy styled while the wife was being eaten out by her.

Did a few garota interviews:

Loira gymnast from pernambuco. Indicated 300 reales for 40 min room / 500 reales for the hour. If Takeout, house fee is 150 reales. 1 hour next door room is 100 reales. 800 reales for a 7 hour per noite in my hotel. She ran-off after a few minutes with her gin and redbull drink as she is in a rush to close a deal at 0200 hrs.

My morena Gaby from Matto Grosso with silicon tits was my chosen girl from 0300-0700 hrs. Payment after with 400 reales cash 1 hour room at 100 reales. Room wait at 30 minutes even with 33 rooms on site. Got in room at 0600 hrs. Interesting to see the tower of ladies bags stocked to the ceiling in cubicles (maybe about 50-100 day-bags or purses.

Will Rinse and repeat here as I can get 3 bangs for the buck compared to Scandallo.

Only thing is I love the sushi and ambience and live music and the ability to whisper sweet nothings in and around the many corners of Scandallo without all the noise. They even have a game room with about a dozen pinball machines and a pool table installed early this year or maybe I missed it last year. Well I have to get back to Scandallo before Formula one week next month. Per The Gerente-Alves they open up one Sunday out of the year for Formula One!!

I love 'them both!! Te Amo Brazil!!

Got to go, they are serving Feijoa in Scandallo in the next hour!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2863195]Monger rule #2: Never pay a FL, SW, or Escort in advance unless you enjoy receiving bad service.
[/QUOTE]I've mongered in many places. This rule doesn't apply to every place, location, or WG. Amsterdam brothels? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Dubai? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Bahrain? Payment upfront. High end escorts or porn stars in America or Europe? Payment upfront. No payment upfront? They'll walk right out of your hotel with zero hesitation. Yes, there is a "risk" of a "runner" with payment upfront at your hotel, but the hotel has her passport information so there's no incentive for her to pull that move. And if it's an incall at her place, then that's obviously not going to happen.

Fortunately, on the other hand, there are plenty of places, brothels, and WGs where you can pay after service because it's standard procedure or because of the sheer amount of women. German FKK brothels? Payment afterward. Thailand brothels or thai / asian women in general? Payment afterwards. Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, etc. Payment afterwards.

Also, even if you pay afterwards, you could still get bad service. Every monger knows that.

The takeaway is mongering isn't an exact science, and payment afterwards doesn't guarantee good service and is not always an option.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2863809]I've mongered in many places. This rule doesn't apply to every place, location, or WG. Amsterdam brothels? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Dubai? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Bahrain? Payment upfront. High end escorts or porn stars in America or Europe? Payment upfront. No payment upfront? They'll walk right out of your hotel with zero hesitation. Yes, there is a "risk" of a "runner" with payment upfront at your hotel, but the hotel has her passport information so there's no incentive for her to pull that move. And if it's an incall at her place, then that's obviously not going to happen.

Fortunately, on the other hand, there are plenty of places, brothels, and WGs where you can pay after service because it's standard procedure or because of the sheer amount of women. German FKK brothels? Payment afterward. Thailand brothels or thai / asian women in general? Payment afterwards. Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, etc. Payment afterwards.

Also, even if you pay afterwards, you could still get bad service. Every monger knows that.

The takeaway is mongering isn't an exact science, and payment afterwards doesn't guarantee good service and is not always an option.[/QUOTE]The countries where payment is required upfront are countries where the johns are known to be scammers and will try every scheme not to pay.

This Medellin Centro rat is a big fan of YankeeFan.

[QUOTE=YankeeFan;2863652]Just got back from an enjoyable week in Sao Paulo. Combined sightseeing with hobbying. As I always say upfront in my FPs, I am a bargain basement hobbyist. I seek the lowest cost venues whenever I travel to hobby. I don't want to drink with the SPs, don't want a massage, don't want to spend the night with them, don't want to have dinner with them. I do want to experience as many and varied a group of SPs as I can in a week, spending 15 to 20 minutes in each session, doing my 3 favorite positions (mish, doggy, CG). I enjoy the girl next door type, for example, those who look like the coeds you'd see on a typical campus, and MILF type, for example young (ish) mothers who you might see waiting outside a school to pick up their kids. I intentionally got an AirBnb within walking distance of Edificio 134 (Rua Alameda Baro de Limeira, 134, Edificio Itatiaia) as it is the closest one to a reasonable place to stay (Villa Buarque). The others I visited were*Rua dos Andradas 69* and*Rua Santa Ifigenia, 11. I sessioned 11 times, for either 40 or 50 reales a pop, though I was probably being charged the gringo rate. 134 was my favorite. It felt perfectly safe walking over there, at least as late as 8 PM. I must have seen at least 50 SPs spread over the 7 or 8 floors, usually standing on the landing of each floor, or on the steps (there is an elevator to get to the top). Quality was very good, and each time I finished a session, on the way out, I would see one or 2 more I'd like to do (I doubled up twice). The first session, the SP began with a BBBJ, and I was thinking I could keep looking forward to that, but that was the last one, all the others started covered, putting on the cover with their mouth. It is possible you can pay for extras, but my almost*non-existent Portuguese precluded me from doing so. The rooms are very small, here and in 69. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tochka;2863784]I posted about my Casarao experience in an earlier post. So What happens if you pay upfront, and there is a disagreement in the room because drunk asses like me don't always make the best decisions at the moment?

BTW I will post about my mulatto garotas threesome, Duplo experience in a scandallo report. Each garota was $600 reais, for the best Illusion of Passion (IOP) lesbians experience meets my Illusion of money (IOM) kkkk.

I found a cutie garota in Casarap late night after a superb visit to scandallo.

We walk to the Casarao Hotel and are standing in the long ass line to get a room. It's 1 am or 2 am there is a waiting system to call your number when a room is ready.

We grab a seat and drink more flirting. We agreed on a price of $400 reais one hour. She offers to receive payment in Pix or credit. She pulls out a small terminal from her purse.

Damn I considered it for a half second then thought if I swipe my card I might not be able to use the card in Prime, Tangar, or Miruna Clinica in the morning. Haha its the only reason I don't swipe thinking about the duplos in the morning. I changed and told her lets do cash, it's better. Our number is called, we are stumbling in the hallway to the rooms.

Off we go to the rooms down a long hallway, downstairs up other stairs, darn another maze of rooms. We reach the room.

In the room, she says to pay upfront. I responded not. For a few minutes, it was a Mexican standoff.

Having been in a similar situation in Tijuanaa Adelitas I offer a compromise. I pull $400 reais, count them out loud, and, together. I ask for her high heels shoe. Place the dinero underneath her high heel shoe on top of the cabinet. She can see the money is there and it's hers when the deed is done.

She agrees great it worked.

This pretty garota drops to her knees for an intense ten minutes of really good BBBJ sloppy deepthroat. She stops mid slurp smiles and says she is too drunk to continue.

She was drunk as hell in the club. We had a bunch of strong drinks. She looks up, sloppy salvia on her face, and tells me to keep the $400 reais she's not charging for anything!

Oh well, a first for me.[/QUOTE]Haha I love this trick with the high heel on the money. She's not running off in one shoe. Clever. I have also done the count it out and place it on the counter move. This seems satisfactory for most girls. Tho I have not had a problem with a handful of pay up front girls this year. As Axel says it varies by country / format.

Hi guys,

I just got back from my SP trip last week. And yet again I am planning my next one. This time I am planning during December 20th to January 2nd. I am worried if Scandello and / or Casarao will be close or empty during those days? Anyone tried SP during Christmas time for mongering?

Unfortunately I can not shift or change my days. So it will be either I go during Christmas or don't go at all. Please advise.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2864177]Hi guys,

I just got back from my SP trip last week. And yet again I am planning my next one. This time I am planning during December 20th to January 2nd. I am worried if Scandello and / or Casarao will be close or empty during those days? Anyone tried SP during Christmas time for mongering?

Unfortunately I can not shift or change my days. So it will be either I go during Christmas or don't go at all. Please advise.[/QUOTE]Many girls will go home for the holiday. However, I was able to keep entertained last Christmas and New Years in SP. Clinicas still had many options and Casarao had enough. Hopefully I will be able to swing it and go again this year. If I can make it it will be the same days as you.

I was in SP over the holidays last year between 12/16 and 1/1. The boates were closed on NYE. I left on 1/1 so no idea if anything was open on NYD.

Thanks, let me know if you finalize your plan and we can tag up. There are couple of other mongers who will be in SP / Rio during that time.

[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2864218]Many girls will go home for the holiday. However, I was able to keep entertained last Christmas and New Years in SP. Clinicas still had many options and Casarao had enough. Hopefully I will be able to swing it and go again this year. If I can make it it will be the same days as you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2863809]...
Also, even if you pay afterwards, you could still get bad service. Every monger knows that.

The takeaway is mongering isn't an exact science, and payment afterwards doesn't guarantee good service and is not always an option.[/QUOTE]The high end clincas fit this description.

You can't even talk to the girl in the most expensive one. You basically surrender all your advantage to the girl. The description appears to say pay X amount for the room, and why amount for the girl. This makes me think I have to pay the girl as long as she shows up.

I know in Sharon that I can say I don't want sex and pay the house fee and leave because the wording is different and the girl will ask you before sex.

One way to defeat this system is to form a group from mongers that already have something to contribute and review the girls privately. At the minimum is to review if the picture matches the girl in person.

So I met a girl in Sao Paulo, actually met her on Fetlife but got her to visit me when I was in Sao Paulo last year on business. She stayed with me for a week, not a working girl at all, just a real submissive ****. Then earlier this year, I was back for a few days and she came into town again and literally tried to fuck me to death over the course of two days. We did every damn thing you can do.

So long story short, we have an ongoing long-distance thing, and she wants me to arrange meetups with strangers, let men use her like the working girl she is.

Caveats are she records it (can hide your face) and you have to work through me to meet her. I also don't need to know your name, but she wants to fuck white guys, preferably professional. No need to speak Portuguese (I don't we communicate entirely through google translate).

If you are going to Sao Paulo, or live there and would like to use my ****, PM me. I'm still working out some details as to what she is comfortable with, but she asked me to lend her out to my friends, and since I don't have any friends down there I trust, I figure a bunch of similarly depraved strangers is the next best thing.

You can do pretty much anything you want except beat her or come in her pussy (she is not on birth control, I generally only fuck her ass).

I will try and pay attention here to PMs, she lives a bit outside Sao Paulo and will travel in, you will have to host. Possible if a few of you guys want to team up on her, she would like that too.

This is the value of gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL]. It is a model of what a website like this one could be.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2864444]The high end clincas fit this description.

You can't even talk to the girl in the most expensive one. You basically surrender all your advantage to the girl. The description appears to say pay X amount for the room, and why amount for the girl. This makes me think I have to pay the girl as long as she shows up.

I know in Sharon that I can say I don't want sex and pay the house fee and leave because the wording is different and the girl will ask you before sex.

One way to defeat this system is to form a group from mongers that already have something to contribute and review the girls privately. At the minimum is to review if the picture matches the girl in person.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2863809]I've mongered in many places. This rule doesn't apply to every place, location, or WG.

Amsterdam brothels? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Dubai? Payment upfront. Russian / Eastern Europeans in Bahrain? Payment upfront. High end escorts or porn stars in America or Europe? Payment upfront. No payment upfront? They'll walk right out of your hotel with zero hesitation.

Fortunately, on the other hand, there are plenty of places, brothels, and WGs where you can pay after service because it's standard procedure or because of the sheer amount of women. German FKK brothels? Payment afterward. Thailand brothels or thai / asian women in general? Payment afterwards. Dominican Republic, Brazil, Colombia, etc. Payment afterwards.

Also, even if you pay afterwards, you could still get bad service. Every monger knows that.

The takeaway is mongering isn't an exact science, and payment afterwards doesn't guarantee good service and is not always an option.[/QUOTE]Ok, first off I was very specific to whom I apply the pay after principal.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2863195]Monger rule #2: Never pay a FL, SW, or Escort in advance unless you enjoy receiving bad service.[/QUOTE]Now it is true that a punter can receive bad service anywhere and anytime, so most of us try to play the game to minimize the # of bad performances. Therefore, my suggestion to never pay a FL, SW, and or escort in advance is IMHO (KKK) useful advice. But you can take it or leave it.

It is not like I never pay in advance. In certain venues, for example, high end BKK Soapy Massage parlors I have been paying in advance for decades. 555. In their heyday I used to love these bordellos. The best of them had beautiful Thai girls and the sex was amazing. But you could not go upstairs until you paid for the girl in full. That was the house rule AND I had no theoretical problem paying in advance in this particular venue because I nearly always received great service! But who was responsible for that? The girls or the house? The Soapy girls were all schooled in certain techniques and there seemed like there was a minimum level of service the house would stand by. After that, a girl's personal passion level and the vibe between you would always determine just how good the session was.

And 2nd, I only travel monger to an ever dwindling number of 1st rate, girl friendly, cities and countries like SP and RJ, Brazil. I have no interest in traveling to the Gulf States for pussy. Of course, it would be different if I worked in those locals. Anyway, in Brazil since 2021, I have had only a few escorts ask for money in advance and ditto only a couple of Boate girls asked for money in advance. ALL my "pay in advance" Boate girls were from Casarao, but they all caved on their prepayment plan soon as I said "I pay later". BTW, I tried the ST hotel next door to Casarao 2 times; my 1st and last time. KKK. Too dirty! Not good! Since then I take all my Casarao girls back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2863832]Haha I love this trick with the high heel on the money. She's not running off in one shoe. Clever. I have also done the count it out and place it on the counter move. This seems satisfactory for most girls. Tho I have not had a problem with a handful of pay up front girls this year. As Axel says it varies by country / format.[/QUOTE]Here are my SP & RJ escort stats: roughly 95% of all my escort girls did not ask for money upfront. Of the 10% who did, I can recall a couple of girls were ok with the money placed next to the TV and two girls who abruptly walked out mad as all hell. KKK. I was astonished by the 2 walkouts, but I quickly came to the conclusion that I had just dodged a couple of bad sessions. KKK. So, I then quickly called a favorite girl I already knew for a quick substitution. I asked her what she was doing, she said, "nothing", and 45 minutes later she was in my hotel room in casual torn jeans / a halter top / and in no make up condition and we had a great night together.