Angeles City

[QUOTE=GhostLuv;1790697]
Would be curious to hear where you're pulling your girls from. If it's the corner of Raymond and Fields area. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I'm picking up my girls in Walking Street most of the time. They hang around near Kokomos or High Society or just walk up and down the street. Quite a few of them visit High Society later on after midnight (I'm not a night owl, I usually try to find a girl before 10 PM). I don't go to Raymond or further down Fields towards Margarita Station. The quality is much lower there in my experience and some of my regulars have warned me not to pick up girls there.

So far I've never had any problems. But I'm an experienced monger (20+ years) and I've picked up SW's and FL's in Romania, Czech Republic, Thailand and Cambodia as well. I know the drill and I think I can tell when a girl is 'bad'. Although I'm very well aware that you can never be sure about that.

Furthermore I like to 'pick up' girls using Line and WeChat. Back in February / March I wrote some FR's about that in this thread.

[QUOTE=JustTK;1791056]Exactly! If she's rubbish, she's rubbish. I'm not going to pay her extra for crap service. And it's good that the other staff know she was rubbish too![/QUOTE]But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. All they will hear is that you didn't tip. If it's a place you frequent, soon that's your reputation. Unless you've already established a rep as a good tipper for superior service.

On the one hand, you save a bit, but you are more likely to get poor performance. On the other hand, you spend more, but the girlsame are more likely to try and earn that tip.

Its raw, dirty, fun, and ending.

Raw? Because it still hasn't been tamed by the Japanese, Koreans, and The Chinese. Yes you do see them Yes you see how they cater for them. But its not safe enough for them to come and travel in mass drones. Place still has that early 2000 Bangkok feel smell LOL and price. *side note* They still do public crucifixion on Easter yearly so old traditions are still alive and thriving / mindset *.

Dirty? Damm right LOL because the roads and side walks are just shit I felt like I was back in Iraq or Afghanistan. The whole city I feel has really never recovered since you. S military base shutdown plus the volcanic eruption. Find it funny when I'm smelling wonderful street food and raw sewage at the same time just a plan out buzz kill. *side note* not always true but happened one to many times just always exploring trying something new* With as many girls I have seen the amount of bareback that was offered was scary 29 out of 30.

Fun? You have a more than Strumpets, Harlots and just plan out sexy bar girls. There is a Volcano with hot springs in the area to get out of town for the day, jeep ride to the volcano and other stuff. Malls lots of endless Asian mall feeling of shopping. Casino hmmm really convinced casino Filipino rigged like badly. *side note* I Do card counting and stuff just doesn't add up walkout with 42,000 pesos but felt like a miracle and looks like they have there own goonies walking around and jumping into games and watching you just seemed off. There is a lot of different kinds of foods to enjoy not all Filipino is bad for you just watch how they cook it.

Ending? I feel like they are slowly getting ready to push out the Western people in the sense more catering for Asian groups and pricing. When talking to one of the bar owners thoughts he says simple they buys drinks, don't argue about the price and profit, money and surviving Cops are slowly hammering it away one day at a time. So enjoy it because won't be this easy for long.

Sweet tips I wish I would have saw on the blog.

Yes means no and No means Yes = Bargain stick your guns out they will take you for a sucker.

Devera Hotel = Roach motel I am so pissed I stayed here. Had to sleep with the lights on with the amount of Roaches = Me being sick. Bugs don't bug me even one or two Roaches but Roaches on the epic level do. Went to Penthouse and no issues.

Cell phone= When going bar / club just ask for the girls numbers. Saves you money and they are more motivated to work hard around you.

Questions= Are great when seeing how the girls is, are or because you will get a fish.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1791304]But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. All they will hear is that you didn't tip. If it's a place you frequent, soon that's your reputation. Unless you've already established a rep as a good tipper for superior service.

On the one hand, you save a bit, but you are more likely to get poor performance. On the other hand, you spend more, but the girlsame are more likely to try and earn that tip.[/QUOTE]You seriously reckon you get better service for good tipping?

You have a screw loose. You pay your money. The girl is rubbish, I don't tip her, it's nothng to do with her desire fior me, she is just rubbish. I don't need a rep as a good tipper, I'm interesting enough without needing to buy street rep. Ha, let's see. I'm not worried about savig money, more about doing the right thing.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1791304]But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. [/QUOTE]Who cares? I'm not saying the girl is rubbish, as the other gent is saying. I'm saying there are better ways of getting repeats than to re-barfine. You can easily convince solid performers, or stunners (maybe you don't care about the performance if she's a stunner), to re-visit you without barfining them again. Countless AC beauties that I've posted in the Photogallery in the past are (multiple) repeat performers, yet I gave them either p50 for tryke tip, or *nothing* (I just walk them back to their bar, or bought them a p99 breakfast). Certainly they are not returning because I'm a great lover.

Little Boy: Good FR.

[QUOTE=JustTK;1791779]You seriously reckon you get better service for good tipping?

You have a screw loose. You pay your money. The girl is rubbish, I don't tip her, it's nothng to do with her desire fior me, she is just rubbish. I don't need a rep as a good tipper, I'm interesting enough without needing to buy street rep. Ha, let's see. I'm not worried about savig money, more about doing the right thing.[/QUOTE]Yes, if it's a business I visit regularly, tipping a reasonable amount, consistently, gets me better service, especially when combined with treating people right. That doesn't mean throwing money around, but if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation.

Is that wrong? Over the years I've accumulated a lot of first and second hand service experience. I've seen and heard all the stories about bad customers, and I realize that whether waiting tables or giving BJs, the women put up with a lot of crap. If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1791823]Who cares? I'm not saying the girl is rubbish, as the other gent is saying. I'm saying there are better ways of getting repeats than to re-barfine. You can easily convince solid performers, or stunners (maybe you don't care about the performance if she's a stunner), to re-visit you without barfining them again. Countless AC beauties that I've posted in the Photogallery in the past are (multiple) repeat performers, yet I gave them either p50 for tryke tip, or *nothing* (I just walk them back to their bar, or bought them a p99 breakfast). Certainly they are not returning because I'm a great lover.

Little Boy: Good FR.[/QUOTE]Not aimed specifically at you.

Tipping for the oldest profession is surely one of the oldest debates (and maybe one of the biggest circle-jerks). I humbly admit I started it when I advised the guy who took the freelancer from the corner for 3,000 that he was paying too much dosh.

If I could take it back I would. He seems to feel he got good value for his peso. So more power to him!

It's a debate that never goes anywhere because every guy has his own strategy, believes (for god and country) that he is the only wise one, has found the sweet spot and everyone else's spending habits are foolish.

Meh.

On a personal note, I've never understood guys that get off, or are proud at how little they are able to pay for farm-girl pussy, they wear it like a badge of honor.

To me it just seems low class and rather sad to brag about paying girls nothing for their service or how you got laid for an egg sandwich or something. In my (again: humble) experience none of these girls.

A) are rich and doing this for fun.

B) wake up, yawn, stretch their arms and say to themselves. MAN I hope I get to fuck a 45 yo fat white guy with SML breath today just for the sheer pleasure of getting pounded like Video Box porn star.

Instead most girls are here fucking, to make some money. And white guys obviously have some (hey they're foreigners). So YEAH, they may give you some free sex either playing the long game or hoping that you'll do the right thing and pay them for their efforts.

However this might be the second oldest debate. Because you can never convince a cheap dude that he's being cheap and dishonest because they invariably believe they're still young and handsome and that's why they're getting play.

If I sit down at a restaurant I pay for my meal, if I take a taxi I don't leap out at the stoplight and run, if I shag a hooker I pay her a fair price.

Going on about how cheaply you got the fuck often just shows what a cheap guy you are.

The thing about being cheap with girls in a poor country like the PI. Is it invariably will bite you in the ass. And that money you saved will look like a bargain in retrospect.

I'm not advising to rain money, buy cellphones, pay support, put her on a pedestal for having a twat. I just think it's good to play fair.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1791872]That doesn't mean throwing money around, but if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation.

If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

Politeness costs nothing, a word of thanks and a pleasant smile can go a long way. I do not tip with the expectation of building a reputation but I do so simply because I appreciate the service. Sometimes the service is poor and consequently my tip is less than generous and I make sure I give that feedback while handing over the tip. Likewise when the service is good I tip well. In AC I think P500 is a considered a healthy tip, its around 15% of the average BF in a good club like Atlantis or Dollhouse. At Perimeter where the BF is lower, P500 can be as high as 25% of average BF.

Several times I have revisited a bar where I had picked a girl and tipped her well. The word certainly gets around and I enjoy that attention.

On a more philosophical note, I have this theory. I am not going to build the Eiffel Tower with all the tip money I will save in life, so what the heck!

What's funny too, is some financial savvy posters have tried to compare the increased cost of pussy or BF to the Cost of Living index. Last time I looked the cost of pussy was not an item tracked in the index. Milk and bread was. Pussy? No!

By all means I do not over pay and I do not under pay. I do have a different pocket for contributions. The other day an AC girl texted me to come see her because she needed some money to repair her 90 yo grandmother's typhoon damaged roof in the province. I have known her for about a year and she has never BS me or asked me for extra money. The roof repair was about 2 k and GM needed a sack of rice. I had left AC and was in a province and headed for Manila so I just decided to send a 4 k contribution to GM. Foolish? I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

A month ago an AC girl texted me if I could bring a certain brand tablet with me when I came. It cost about 7 k in the USA And almost 10-11 k in Phils (38% import tax). I said sure. Credit me 7 pops for it. Sure enough the first night I was in AC I collected 3 pops and handed her the tablet. And on two other nights the other 4 pops. Btw, all 7 pops were like never before with long bbbj. Foolish?

At the moment I am in Manila waiting for one of my best fucks to commute from AC on her day off to give me a send off that I will never forget. And I only BF her a week ago. Priceless!

I am not a young handsome guy. I do not go overboard. I just treat them decent. Thanks to the cheap Charlie's for setting a low hurdle.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1791872]... if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation. Is that wrong? Over the years I've accumulated a lot of first and second hand service experience. I've seen and heard all the stories about bad customers, and I realize that whether waiting tables or giving BJs, the women put up with a lot of crap. If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree with that, fair enough. But that is not the same as getting better service for a good tip.

I find it hard to believe that this logic will go thru a girl's mind: "ah, I remember this guy, he gave me a few hundred pesos last time as a tip, I think I'll give him a bit of deep throat or some anal rimming this time around. ".

IMNSHO, a girl is into you or she isn't, she's experienced and is a good performer or she isn't. The two can be related.

So many times, I have pulled girls first time from bars and they have been lousy. They should be paying me, not the other way round. They just have no experience or no idea of how to provide a good time. This is first time I pulled them so it has nothing to do with performance based on tipping. They are just plain rubbish. This is my point really, their performance is not based on tips, it's based on their ability and whether they fancy you or not.

On another note, how do experienced guys here rate the value or money one gets in AC compared to other places like Ptya?

I started visiting AC when bar fines were P 1,200-1,400. Now it's often P 3,000 - same price as Puerto Galera (which I stopped visiting because I think it is too expensive).

Far too often, I find the girls in AC lack experience and ability. And often want to go home after an hour in bed.

This is why I prefer the short time bars in AC (which there are far too few of) - at least you get some value for money. Or the bars in Perimeter or Subic.

Compared to Pattaya, the prices are now more expensive than for Ptya bar girls (though not go-go girls). But most often, I find the service in Pattaya is far superior.

The bars (and local authorities?) in AC are very greedy.

[QUOTE=JustTK;1792049]

So many times, I have pulled girls first time from bars and they have been lousy. They should be paying me, not the other way round. They just have no experience or no idea of how to provide a good time. This is first time I pulled them so it has nothing to do with performance based on tipping. They are just plain rubbish. This is my point really, their performance is not based on tips, it's based on their ability and whether they fancy you or not.[/QUOTE]We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.

Overall tourist monger numbers down, think it has something to do with Typhoon talk. Some heavy winds and rain in afternoon, but everything settling down by now.

Stardust had the Manila show girls, but different to earlier in the year. Not quite so good, too serious, actually. Bikini girls were better this time around. Reasonable monger attendance.

Roadhouse reported earlier by Lancelot was very ordinary, and that Melanie girl no longer works there. If you request rock and roll you get stuff out of the 50's, Bill Haley etc. I told DJ, the people who request that kind of music are already dead. No matter, he carried on with music 60,70 yrs old, LOL. Girls are of a 5 standard. Angelwitch next door is worth giving a miss.

Dollhouse was good for me, happened to pick the right girl, smiley, cheerful, energetic. Atlantis, walked in walked out, same motion.

Vikings, still lots of girls, very few customers, saw only 2 foreigners on my side of the boat (entrance side). No customers, the girls looked hungry, time to pounce.

Guy says on here he picks up in front of Kokomo's, and yes that is where the Ladyboys hang out. Koko's and Margarita Station still the staple food for me.

Honest Trike Driver? I found one. Left my bag in trike, $2500 of valuables inside it. Two minutes later he is back to return bag and full contents.

For me, Angeles has lost its zing. Has served me well in the past though. Cebu next.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1792060]We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.[/QUOTE]I don't think it drifted away. Just fell on some deaf ears so to speak. We all live in different realms and realities. What's real for you or me may not be real for someone else or vise versa.

[QUOTE=JustTK;1792051]On another note, how do experienced guys here rate the value or money one gets in AC compared to other places like Ptya?

I started visiting AC when bar fines were P 1,200-1,400. Now it's often P 3,000 - same price as Puerto Galera (which I stopped visiting because I think it is too expensive).

Far too often, I find the girls in AC lack experience and ability. And often want to go home after an hour in bed.

This is why I prefer the short time bars in AC (which there are far too few of) - at least you get some value for money. Or the bars in Perimeter or Subic.

Compared to Pattaya, the prices are now more expensive than for Ptya bar girls (though not go-go girls). But most often, I find the service in Pattaya is far superior.

The bars (and local authorities?) in AC are very greedy.[/QUOTE]Well the prices have raised (crazily far beyond inflation) in both places.

Because everyone seems to have different opinions on what's normal. Using this price quote about Thailand (2015):

"500-1,000 Baht for bar fine (most places around 600 Baht), 2,000-3,000 Baht for short time, 3,000-5,000 Baht for long time.

Especially the price you ask the girl is negotiable of course but these are the current standard rates".

I think this quote may be more geared towards BKK, but let's roll with it.

For AC I'm using:

Low end barfine (avg) 2 k, high end 3 k.

ST tip: 500, LT tip: 1,000 (so if you tip less. Subtract).

Thailand.

ST: $73 - $101.

LT: $130 - 158.

AC.

ST: $54 - $75.

LT: $64 - $86.

So, believe that AC is still cheaper. But both countries have different things going for them. A few that come immediately to mind:

PI:

- If you're into bareback this is still one of only places to be for no hassle BB.

- LT 'girlfriend' is still (often) real GFE.

- getting numbers and having girls over later without the barfine (only tip) is extremely easy thus lowering cost tremendously.

- still possible to party in a few bars with a bit of nudity and naughtiness (body shots / pussy shots) but a ghost of what it used to be / almost gone.

TH:

- MUCH better selection of options; short time brothels (like Soi 6), many blow job bars, better freelancer scene, beer bars, a-go-go, hotel girl etc.

- Much harder to get BB, but if it fails you're only out your barfine not your tip.

- Many girls naked so much better eye Viagra.

- I rarely get any true GFE in TH these days (maybe cause I just visit) by the time I let out my last orgasm-gasp she's dressed and at the elevator door.

I (like you) prefer ST brothels. You go in, pays your money, have good raw sex and go about your business. No scams or waffling. Those are getting far less available in PI.

Also to factor in. Is what it costs to get you to get the girl out of the bar, and what it takes to get her out of the bar.

For me. I typically like to get a bit sloshed and have a party. Much cheaper in the PI if you bring a few girls down and drink first than Thailand with their ridiculously small ladies drinks, rules that make the girls leave the table to go dance and different 'party' styles.

In TH they will just grab clothes and go shag, in PI I often feel I have to show them I'm a nice guy, sit and BS for awhile to get them to 'warm up' and agree to come back.

Koreans prove me wrong on this last count as they seem to be able to go in and point and leave with gal. Guess it's all about expectations?