FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=UncleOx;2139448]I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2139569]Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.[/QUOTE]I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2139569]If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week. [/QUOTE]I'm going to have to defend myself as a tourist. You've seen me in clubs only going with one girl or none at all on multiple occasions. 😬.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2139560]A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets..[/QUOTE]Entschuldigung. I am a tourist and I am guilty of this. I came to "Germany. FKK Clubs" and notice Sharks had more posts so I come here. 3 weeks ago everything was more positive and Sharks looked better than Oase and Palace and Mainhattan.

If I live in Frankfurt and own a car I would visit other clubs. But sharks is closest to airport and Darmstadt has cheap hotels. I do try my best not to overpay. Even as a tourist we would prefer not to pay extra.

Cheap Charlie all day 50 bucks entry Wednesday was as usual populated by the German House Guests groups who hold court reigning over all that they survey.

Not much to report apart from it was a usual Wednesday and not masses of fucking.

Brand name Sharks girls booked out with the lower grade team less busy and waiting around for customer to take them.

The line up surprisingly felt much better in terms of number than it did on Friday for the first day of the Ambiente Messe which is on from 9 to 13 February.

Maybe it is because a lot of the girls were unemployed.

The Walrus was there and he was auditioning the girls that will take an offer.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2139588]I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.[/QUOTE]I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.

It is the start of the 5 day Ambiente Messe in Frankfurt. It is a decent size Messe so well attended and has a really international crowd.

Just some notes.

I had a room at 5 pm and another room at 9 pm. There was no queues for rooms. It was a usual Friday night with a smattering of the usual German House Guests holding court.

Then at 10 pm an explosion happened. It was expected. There was queues of men coming into the club. Italians, heaps of Italians who refused to speak anything but Italian. No English no German. Italians are not really into international languages in my experience.

The Turkish. Hordes of Ottomans. I don't know if these are Ottomans from Anatolia or local Ottomans but they came intheir groups.

Then Asians. Some Indian and some black but East Asians in the main. Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong. These the girls became active and lapped up and went in for the kill. Certainly for the thrill.

There was one Romanian girl who went up to two very young looking Asian men. She said to them loudly she needed to do a control on them. She said she needed to see their passports to make sure they were of correct age. She was insistent the two small young Asian men did not come into the club falsely. The Germans loved that one and laughed heartedly.

When I left there was a taxi queue that started inside the Sharks carpark and snaked out onto the road to a long way down Rohm Strasse due to all the taxi drivers brining the East Asian customers in car loads from the Messe.

My God. There was so many Asians. The girls were making a killing.

The food was awful. Some of the vegetables were under cooked. It was so bland. I had to order a pizza. Family size. The reason is as soon as the Tutes see you with a pizza they all want some too. They come running over for a piece of action. So I order some slices for me and the rest for the girls who inevitably come by.

A bit different to the Candy man who is regularly in the club.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2139609]I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.[/QUOTE]I have not found Americans to be any better, especially not White Americans. My example and frustrations of Americans overpaying especially covers more White Americans as I tend to befriend more White Americans at the clubs, at least in casual conversation. I don't know many Asians from Asia so I don't know if they overpay even more, no clue, but Americans aren't getting out of this blame game. Not only are they upsold, they also tip. Do Asians from Asia tip? They are notoriously subpar tippers when it comes to food service tipping.

Meanwhile the Asian Americans I know, 6 or so with the exception of one, generally pay club rate plus the occasional extras such as CIM and Anal, but not for kissing or good service.

P.s. those Asians you see in Sao Paulo might very well be locals. Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan

P.p.s. Asian men frugal with food spending? Lmfao. As for clothes, perhaps the Chinese but not the Japanese and Koreans who are more lavish with appearances.

So in short, I reject your theory that Americans are exempt from the blame of overpaid WGs, especially white Americans.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2139622]My example of Americans overpaying covers more White Americans than Asian American as I tend to befriend more White Americans at the clubs, at least in casual conversation. I don't know many Asians from Asia so perhaps they overpay even more, no clue, but White Americans aren't getting out of this blame game. Not only are they upsold, they also tip. Meanwhile the Asian Americans I know, 6 or so with the exception of one, generally pay club rate plus the ocassional extras such as CIM and Anal, but not for kissing or good service.

P.s. those Asians you see in Sao Paulo might very well be locals. Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan[/QUOTE]I hope that you are joking most of the Asian are overpaying like the north European or USA, Canadian just because the P6 is quite expensive in their respective countries for them 50 or 150 euros is still very cheap. Also you are not demanding a lot because you are afraid to get sick, mostly no deep kissing no pussy licking even some refuse BBBJ. Many Asian guys are shy and will be very passive in the room and will not use the full time but leave after they come.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2139561]I guess Sirioja was writing about fake-blonde Lora.[/QUOTE]But very white skin and woman type for look.

Your Sharks casting knowledge, and cleverness for some of your writings, make you being the Sharks master, when some can only try to play to be, but just pathetic about what girls tell about.

We just have our own different reasons to attend this business, like WGs, even many are driven by pimps, but not all. Few years ago, I didn't know, I didn't need, I would never have thought I would ever go, but our life can change so fast. But a real girlfriend will always be higher level for me, if You are able to make her will to take care of you back.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2139609]I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. [/QUOTE]WGs can surmise that visitors from North America and Asia probably make a minimum of say $100 K per year. With local German men, the pay-to-play threshold is literally the price of public transit plus 50 EUR discount entry. Local German man could be as poor as a pauper or as rich as a Rothschild. Turgid, you can read Kosher Kowboy's account of how things changed once the Sharks WGs realized he was not German, but American.

I agree there is a disproportionate representation of East Asian men in FKK. At a regular Frankfurt night club where sex is not sold, they'd probably be underrepresented.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2139609]Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. [/QUOTE]
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P.p.s. Asian men frugal with food spending? Lmfao😂. As for clothes, perhaps the Chinese but not the Japanese and Koreans who are more lavish with appearances.[/QUOTE]

Walk along Zeil and Koenigsallee and you will see East Asian overrepresentation at all stores that sell luxury brands. Back at home Chinese pay hefty sales tax and import tariffs on luxury items, so they save 20% while in Europe. The idea of overspending amongst tourists because of perceived bargains is still at play. BTW, it's not just the women who want Prada, LV, and Gucci, but the men actually spend more:

[URL]https://www.marketingtochina.com/chinese-men-buy-more-luxury-goods-than-chinese-women/[/URL]

Average Chinese shopper spends ten times more than a local British shopper. Funny photo of a round-eye girl almost getting trampled by Asian tourists at a shopping center in London on Boxing day:

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081473/UK-sales-Chinese-the-queue-luxury-goods.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2139366]BTW, how did these girls get your phone no. ?

What was your role in that sort of robbery?

I love so much to hear one of your "I am a victim" stories again! And it is true, we have to pay a lot of money to be able to tell those heart-shaking tales.[/QUOTE]You completely misread. I do not consider I was a victim. I would have a very low opinion of myself if I pleaded victimhood. I just related what a girl l did. My choice was to just note her behaviour: giving her rope to hang herself, meaning that I terminated our business relationship then and there.

Same with the telephone. If get a message from a girl who I give my number to, she is entitled to contact me, and I am entitled to report on it. Reporting facts does not make me a victim.

My behaviour is my choice and my responsibility. No victimhood.

I am sure you did not mean to be so rude

[QUOTE=DesRev;2138523]Good picks. Did you find them or did they come to you and initiate the conversation?[/QUOTE]With Aphrodite, she seems to always sit at one end of the bar closer to the fish tank and does not walk around much looking for business. I had seen her once before about 6 months ago, and so I sat next to her in an empty chair and started talking to her. I talked to her for about 15 minutes before going to room to try to establish a good vibe and I was really happy with her performance, she seems like a nice, funny, easy going person. The only "upsell" she tried was to ask if I wanted to come in her mouth, and when I said no, she did not bring it up again. I liked her so much I repeated with her later that night.

With Dominica, she was sitting at the other end of the bar (near the buffet) with her friend from Hungary, basically chatting away. I was sitting at the bar most of the night, trying to decide who to approach. Dominica is really pretty, and from about midnight on that night (Monday), the quality of the girls still there was pretty low, so there was a constant parade of guys coming up to her and taking her off to the room. I missed a few chances by being too slow to approach. I was just about to leave when a guy that had been talking to her moved off. It was about 2 am at this point, so I just walked up to her, asked if she had time for a half hour session. She immediately agreed and did not even mention a one hour session or try to upsell any additional services. In my earlier comment, I mentioned that she was more business like than Aphrodite but I think this may be because I just walked up and asked her to go to the room without any small talk. With Aphrodite, I chatted with her, made a few jokes, and established a bit of positive vibe before going to the room. I should also say that Dominica was terrific in the room, and was quite friendly after the deed, smiley and friendly, so nothing really negative, just not as affectionate as Aphrodite.

I am going back in a week or so to try them both out again.

In terms of all the posts with people griping about "upsell," I don't understand why these folks don't just ask upfront and make it clear exactly what they want before they go to the room. I have only been to Sharks and Oase maybe 10 times, but in both cases, when I approach a girl, or am approached, I always say "I am only good for half an hour with regular sex, is that cool?" and I have never been rejected or subjected to any inappropriate upsell. I guess it is possible the service levels I am getting in some cases is below par because I am seen as a "cheap Charlie," but I have always left with a smile on my face. Personally, I don't think you should hold it against there girls for trying to make money by offering services that many people apparently want, they are just trying to make a living.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2139647]I am sure you did not mean to be so rude[/QUOTE]If I was you, I wouldn't be so sure! Smiley!

I think all FKK clubs management teams should be very cautious to this trend. If Using social media Apps to pre-book girls become a mainstream, FKK clubs would become escort in-call room. It will fundamentally ruin FKK business due to the obvious fact that FKK clubs will lose huge amount of money.

Every FKK club, especially Sharks or Oase, spends huge money to maintain their hardwares and softwares each year. However, these investments will become worthless, if the club's function is just equivalent to a cheap and shabby escort-in-call rooms.

Pre-booking would make Lineup deteriorate soon. As mentioned by horny Harry: "as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU."

Not only would it hurt interests of clubs and most mongers, but did hurt most WGs.

All clubs should discourage pre-booking behavior, and enforce first-come-first-serve policy. Yes, girls still have right to reject mongers due to monger's Improper manners.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;2139021][QUOTE=WilliamHuntley;2138956]I've seen several posters reference a WG's social media account. Do the WG's advertise on social media? Which sites? Or do only their regulars get access to such access?[/QUOTE]A lot of guys will book the WG, particularly brand name Sharks girls via their Instagram, Facebook, WeChat, Snap Chat.

If you look at the Golden Time thread you will also see many recent posts complaining about how many of the best lookers are pre booked by guys via social media and hence are not available to the average guy who turns up on spec to the Golden Time club..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HornyHarry;2137477]Many clubs frown upon girls meeting customers outside of the club, because of the simple reason that clubs want to cash the 65 Euro entrance fees......

GT would probably be the only exception, but as a result the LU there is extremely unreliable as lots of high quality girls either meet customers outside the club or these girls make arrangements to meet a customer inside the club at specific times and thus are no longer are a part of the visible LU. ....[/QUOTE]

There is a newer girl at Shark, her name is Anastasia, only have work there a few month. Beautiful milk complexion and light eyes. A rare girl in FKK with very pink nipple, pink pussy and pink asshole. Beautiful natural body (look like athletic girl on school sports team) with perfect be cup. Hair is colored blonde in curly ponytail, but her darker root show. Saying she is half Romanian and half western / northern European hence the milky complexion and nice pink feature.

Very very pleasant services from Anastasia, such nice sexy voice during sex, and no upsell. I wish to repeat with her soon, hope she continue for work at shark.

She is very interesting addition as we see so many beautiful Romanian girl all the time in FKK but they all having such dark feature, olive skin, no pink. From afar you can see Anastasia skin undertone is not olive, but instead have a subtle violet hue underneath the milky skin tone.