Dubai Reports

[QUOTE=11Bravo]As we were talking between [i]heart stress tests[/i], she mentioned that she's now proprietor of a 'knocking shop'. 5 newly arrived girls, no english, servicing chinese residents/visitors (didn't think there were all THAT many, but guess there is) as then language is no problem. Girls pay her a flat fee as rent to live there, everything else up to them. Hopefully, a safe cocoon while they make some money and study english so they can eventually metamorphose into bar girls.

She invited me over to check out the ladies... saying I could be her teaching assistant, helping them with their bar [i]litany[/i]. Or she could send a couple over to my place, [i]chinese taxi[/i], for [i]student exams[/i].

Never fancied myself a teacher, but one should always consider his [i]civic[/i] duty for the interest of the public...
Old joke, but in my exhaustion, couldn't resist:

Philipines?
Maybe because they have legit jobs, and don't want to risk those, especially being in the tourist industry. All it would take would be a careless word from a hotel guest, or a spiteful word from a co-worker...

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[b]JSF[/b]: Even though not MY thing, your [i]house[/i] reports are missed. When I was at York last Wednesday... just isn't the same.[/QUOTE]I miss the houses too mate. Things are so much more simpler there in dubai. Here it is not very easy to find WGs. Of course the usual Red light areas are there but the fare served up there is not appetising.

Wish I was there to help you in your teaching chores. That Chinese knocking shop does appeal to me and as you say it is our civic duty and we should not shy away from it ;)

Justfun

Hi Folks,

Slightly delayed post due to proxy probs here in DXB.

Had another good night out in DXB on thursday. Miss Gem has got the decorators in so i am free of her for a few days once again. I know i shouldnt do it cos she is so good to me, but somehow i just cant resist.

WR read my previous report about a bevy of fairly new Pilipinas that had been in the Seaview over the past week or so and of course he was very interested. We made arrangements to meet up accordingly.

WR came down from AD and stayed in MK's place, met him at around 10 pm and off we went to the Seaview. I had been having Txt msg's all week from a certain Michelle who i had taken the previous thursday and she had been desperate to see me again (Obviously driven by the Boss encouraging her to keep up the business etc etc)

Entering the Seaview, band in action, pretty good crowd with lots of PRC and to WR's dismay no Pilipinas.
Had a beer and surveyed the scene, suddenly phone rings, it is Michelle.

Are you in Seaview (Yes)
Are you with some friend (Yes)
How many friend with you (One)
Ok we are coming now, see you in 15 minutes.

Then four other Pilipinas arrived and WR started to survey the options, very nice they were too. We were both interested in to fairly yng looking girls, both of whom were entirely new to me. I persuaded Wr to wait, saying that Michelle was on her way and to see what she was bringing with her.

We waited and Michelle duly arrived with a lovely little girl called Diane (Later to be known as 'Dirty Diane' by WR's report). Although she claimed to have been in DXB a while it was patently obvious that she was new to the Seaview and the game in general.

Surprisingly the gilrs got stuck into a few beers and we found ourselves having a good old time, the band were excellent and all going well. Quite a few of the PRC known to me (yes biblically) seemed kind of upset that the 'new' Pilipinas had moved in on the territory so quickly.

Things were getting a bit naughty with Diane turning out to be a real live wire, she was making WR very happy anyway - Fingers etc included.

With prices etc agreed, same deal as before was all that Michelle would tell me, I had to cast my mind back - all of a week and think, Oh yes tell the Boss it is 400 then give her 500 + taxi so she makes a bit etc etc.

WR was happy with the deal, apparently he always does the same, if the girl is good he gives extra without the Boss knowing.

Having been round the world in the last few months I am still not too happy with the Boss thing and prefer the PRC way of doing business. More on that subject later.

We were ready to leave, but the girls insisted on staying for a dance, I suspect this was also Boss driven as she kept passing every now and then to keep a check on the progress etc. Neither WR or myself do the dancing stuff - energy has to be reserved for later.

So whist the girls were dancing and WR was re-visiting a nice PRC called Jessy I had a quick chat with little Pilipina that i had taken for 300 late on last monday night / tuesday morning, She told me that she was just having a drink with some friends then going home, but that was not what the 2 local guys who were trying to chat her up thought ho ho ho. She seemed a little upset that i was already occupied, but wished me a good time.

Finally had to drag Michelle and Diane off the dance floor, well after 1 am and Diane was quite drunk, but still well up for some fun.

WR had suggested we try for a 4some, but Michelle was totally against it and not being my scene either, I declined the offer. Dropped WR and Diane at MK's place and carried on to mine.

Repeat of last week, including Tequila etc soon got Michelle telling me she missed me, loved me , blah blah blah.

Good old time in the 6' x 6' gym, what a nice girl, as near to GFE as it gets folks. We went at it till well after 4 am then retired gracefully.

WR called me just after 7, fancy waking a mate up like that. His girl was ready to leave, i told him mine wasnt and I would see him later. Apparently he had a very good time too.

Michelle said she had to go but didnt want to, she explained that she would incur a fine from her Boss of 100 Dhms for every hour after 8 am that she got home.

We had another session or so and she left at 11, worrying about the fine, but telling me she still didnt want to leave me. Fortunately the Boss was still asleep when Michelle got there and has no idea what time she got in, Diane has covered for her so no fine this time.

IMHO this Boss thing is a totally crap way of doing business. If you are going to operate a 'Balance' system where the girls owe so much, then what is wrong with the CIS method of having the girl fix her own price each night and make her own payments off the balance?

The bullshit in the bar where the Boss tries to get the girls to keep you there as long as possible to minimise the time alone together is also a bad move.

After all, if a girl is with a known punter, then the Boss is fairly certain that the money is going to be paid and all will be well, so why try and rip him off even further.

As for fining the girls for every hour that they are late etc is also a bad way to run a business. I like a lie in on Fridays and saturdays and I also enjoy a morning jump or two, the 8 am thing is killing that. After all the girls only go home to sleep.

If I can't have the morning service then I'm off back to PRC land where all is good and time appears to be no problem.

On another note - I had a fone call at midnight last night from the girl I had on monday/tuesday, told me she was at home, not at seaview but wanted to come to my place and see me etc etc.

This was obviously Boss driven as I know a lot of the Pilipina prefer to work off the fone and if they know a westerner the prefer to try for him as well.

The Boss system requires review, the girls are not happy and the punters are getting ripped off when compared to other methods. I have to agree with WR, the Pilpinas are lovely, almost all meet the 50:50 criteria and they speak good english too, but the time in bed per Dhm ratio is poor.

I would appreciate any other views on this one folks.

Regards, FF

FF

You and I (as well as MK) have discussed the Boss thing you write of. It’s a pain if you are not used to it but unlikely to change as the mamas an wants her cash (Dhms 15,000) and the WG needs to work for the family back home. Bastards – yes, unfair – yes but what can we do?? Well little is really the answer but the WGs (and I mean Filipinas in this term) like westerners as we are n ore gentle, more refined, respectful, treat them better etc so easier for them to take a white face than any other in their opinion.

For me, I speak with the mamas and try politely to point out basic economics – the WG will not work immediately at 8am, if she is looked after by me then she is OK not being abused and mamasan gets a happy WG (well so to speak) and her cash. With Miss N I did this and it worked and Mikka stayed with Loso69 well past closing time and she was OK for the same reason.

Also you will get missed calls from them as they prefer outcall not hanging around the Seaview. Once you like them and have them regularly even easier to speak with mamasan. I also suggest extras and pay but the WG will not tell mamas an. If they like 3somes or want to try then I arrange but they only see me so WG keeps the extra cash. That way you seen as a nice guy.

Next time we are in Seaview lets speak mamasan, she will be surprised but logic dictates you speak with the provider – the real provider. Politeness and manners cost nothing as the WGs prefer us to the Indians etc as they told us so worth a shot.

WR

[QUOTE=Stirling]I'm guessing Sunday night is business as usual.[/QUOTE]EVERY night is business as usual. With the new weekend schedule (Friday, Saturday), think of Sunday as logical Monday.

[QUOTE=Stirling]
I'm guessing Sunday night is business as usual. Just looking for confimation.
Stirling[/QUOTE]

Stirling,
From my recollection, most clubs, if not all, are open on Sundays nights. Most destinations I've been to, WGs and the clubs they hang out from tend to be open 7 days a week. That's because those of us who don't think with our brains tend to think of it 24/7, lol.

Thanks everyone for the information. Much appreciated.

Stirling

sorry, this newcomer's post is pretty long...

prologue:

gentlemen, don't expect heavy porn, just 2 nights of recent ramadan impressions, and more general and touristic than just the lady's thing you'll be waiting for. dbx was a white spot on my girl's map; so here i went. me - some 20 years of experience in some 30 countries around the globe. recently more quiet and into freebies, so not a real contributor to the forum - yet.

golden rule: respect the ladies, and they'll respect you. fullstop.

lots of thanks to mk and especially 50/50. i did a lot of rtff but his support made the stay an even better one. great and friendly guide. hope you're doing well, gentlemen. lots of respect to many of the other authors. the thread is one of the most useful worldwide.

day 0: good night and good luck

only 2 1/2 transit days in dxb. so rush by taxi from airport to hotel (4p) by 2.15 a.m!!! clubs? too late!!! if that was not enough: ramadan!!! in short: forget it!!!
or so i thought. but enter - chain of pleasant surprises. airport taxi stops at hotel entrance, in jumps miss china to front seat, turns around, smiles: "hi. yu want massahs?" is that how they welcome their male guests here? love this hotel. being a shy guy, with the cabbie listening and the hotel guys opening the door i just heard myself stutter errr, no, err, thanks, and stumbled out of the car before i could even realize what was going on. taxi went on with her. first reaction: shit, how could i let this bird fly? will it ever get that easy again? perfect start on a day with no score to be expected. second reaction: better like that. grabbing the first one that comes along? nah. didn't even look at her. tired from the flight anyway. up to my room, ready to sleep by 3 a.m. funny: once every half hour some activity outside - peeping through the door revealed each time some girl walking into the elevator. is this bkk/nana or what? thought next time i'll open and say, honey, before you leave, what about another round in here? then again, none of the 2 more to come appeared to be pretty enough. 4 a.m. end of day 0. no score, as expected. and still could have had some 3 girls in that night without even leaving the hotel. amazing city, i guess. and so honestly islamic...

day 1: paradise now

got up much too late, 2 p.m. some ramadan sightseeing in the afternoon heat along the creek and the bazar there. nothing special, but nice. lots of men hanging around, pakistanis or whatever, waiting for sunset. the few poor women i saw - carrying heavy heavy shopping bags for preparing lunch for their hubbies. this place seems to be still in order ;-)

9 p.m. 50/50 and mk meet me at the hotel. off we were. first is. funny ramadan atmosphere, light on, no music, some 50 girls staring as if we were some robbie w. hardly any guys around. first talks surprisingly nice, not too pushy. some cute prcs, although i thought that's not my cup of tea. but - enter miss m, tall, cheeky smile, promising boobs...hey, wake up, man! too early to make decisions! still, she was cute, and within a few minutes we were already in gf mode, hugging, kissing (btw, in 20 years never had a girl which would not kiss or would charge for that, and i don't plan to change that. never quite got the concept described in some postings. if she would not kiss, that's a non-starter). the night too young to make a decision, so did some kind of reservation with miss m. (50/50 assured me she'd be here when - if - we came back later - not too many competitors). amazing city.

within walking distance: regal, york. a few dozen girls in each bar from the 3 main groups. all 5-8. chatting with some cis, nothing special. york actually even a bit better. then 50/50 wants/has to go back to is. okay, we go. no surprise: sweetie still there. by then 1 a.m. or so, so left with her to the hotel. lobby: no w.o.s., just friendly smiles, no stop, no questions asked, hand in hand straight to the elevator. night? great, everything you could ask for, full gfe, main positions and bbbj, 69, massages, whatever, you name it. i was still pretty tired, so no wild action, but as this girl stayed till 2 p.m. next day we had plenty time to go into everything. great attitude, lots of laughter, giggling, smiling, watching tv together, more honeymoon than business. i think i am quite demanding when it comes to looks, but i loved this my first chinese, wtf needs cis? head to toe good shape, no fat, soft but firm skin, lovely round big breasts, 1.70+, sweet smile, 28 (whether that is good or bad). nothing more to ask for. said (and 50/50 confirmed) she just newly arrived, early october.

funny: money not an issue. i knew how much the damage could be (50/50 had said don't pay more than 500), so as i often do in order not to destroy gfe - didn't talk money at all. neither did she mention it. she was already standing in the door on her way out, when i started the topic last minute, and still she played shy and it took a while until she whispered 'up to you', and only on repeated question: '500'. i might have spoilt the prices but had to give her 7, because my first dxb experience put me in a great mood, cause it was just so gf and fun (you know what weird things can happen if you're new to a place). i could marry her (i say these things on a daily basis, so forget it). only downside: language abilities limited, so talk might run out of topics a few years into our marriage.

day 2. monster's ball

after she left, 2 p.m., started to flirt with the receptionist. cutie from kenya. another incredibly sweet smile. in one former posting someone mentioned he got a blowjob by a kenyan reception lady. her? doubt it, there are several cheeky kenyans there. result of our chat: she upgraded me to a super-room. see golden rule above. by the way, 4p left nothing to wish for. not 5 star, but good 4 star, friendly staff, no wrong questions asked and through the internet just 370 (well, ramadan). downside: you get the lousier rooms if you book internet rate, that's why i was asking her for a new room.

went to the beach, some eye-contact with some russians, turned out their local boyfriends were not too far away. relatively boring beach, but sunny, hot, great warm sea. over the days lots of chats with the taxi drivers, all friendly, all either from india or pakistan, so i have an update on the kashmere conflict now. far away from home they don't have problems with each other anyway. another slave-trade still. these guys can fly home to their families only once every half year. tough. well, might not seem a tough perspective for some of you, gentlemen, but that's another story. so let's all step back and thank the lord or whoever for a minute how great our life is, so that we can do the things we do because we're so f.. lucky we were not born in south india or central china or borat's home town. in these 3 days i met lots of people of whom i am pretty sure they're cuter and more intelligent than me, and still they never got the chances i got. let's not forget that and treat them with respect. enough lecturing.

some driving around marina area, all those construction sites. fascinating city, and at the same time weird, artificial, hypocrite. mixed feelings. marina area seems to be great in the evening for finding freebies, if you have the bucks. so is whole dubai.
evening came and contrary to 50/50s advice i thought i'll go for the real stunners - c i s was written all over my face. that now means: cyclone. next golden rule: do the right timing. i didn't. couldn't make up my mind that night. by 10 in cyclone, a bit disappointed. not that much greater than is or york the night before, even many same faces. some talks with friendly prc's (6-7) followed by talks with bad-attitude-i-am-so-cute cis (6-7). one ukrainian stunner, but watching her closer: fake blond, heavy make up, 5-inch stilettos hid under jeans, seemingly huge boobs under a tight pullover. the latter was a warning sign. if ladies have something to show they show. sweaters? don't rely on that there is something under it, even if it looks like that. so the 1,75-blonde red-lips stunner turned into a 1,65 province girl at a closer look. and she gave me the 1500 answer to the magic question. no way. but when i finally decided i should check out other places it was already 1.15.a.m. so rushing to regal and york. uarghh! a real monster's ball. you guys know how ***** places look 5 min before they close. it was a hit and run. cuties long gone, so imagine "dusk till dawn", but after salma's transition. and it was non-attitude-night. a girl pestering me, hey, buy me a beer. no intention to do so, but following golden rule, i did a short circular survey walk and not being other attractions in sight, came back from the other side with a beer for the ethiopian whig queen. i present the free beer; she goes "oh no, wrong beer. want heineken." i love people who are so appreciative of gifts.

york disgusting, so i ran towards regal. well, by then almost 2. and, compared to york, regal at 2 is the return of the zombies. a cis blonde in her mid seventies tried to make a pass on me. shit. stuck. 2nd night was supposed to be even better than night 1. closing time. grrr. in my horror i sent a message to last night's babe: where are u? immediate reply: u want me to come to your hotel? that was quick. then, no, not the same one again. at least check out is first. should have known it: when i came to is she was already out in the street, saw me, waved, smiled. being a kind guy, no way out. off we went. somehow frustrated about this development of night 2. didn't want the same again. but then again - gave us the chance to do positions we hadn't tried the night before. no flaws. tattoo-lady was again 100% sweetieprettysexy.

day 3: farewell my concubine

my flight off dxb being in the night, had to check out by 8 p.m., so i knew nothing would work tonight. waking up at 2 p.m. still with hongkong sweety, kiss bye bye, flirt with the reception lady, brought her some chocolate for the upgrade, tried to get her for dinner - got a shy friendly 'next time'. to the beach and - my god, what a place is this - a blonde cis super-stunner lying there on this almost empty stretch. i mean this is an arab country, and this blondie lying there alone. probably a ramadan only phenomenon. the gorgeous babe was from lithuania. good for her (and somehow bad for me) she was definitely none of the cyclone crowd. perfect english. maybe some luxury wife. so wouldn't join me for dinner, but put it very nicely ("would be great, but can not, for personal reasons, hope you understand blabla") and polite. very rare: ee with nice attitude. don't get me wrong: if you get to know them close, they are even warmer than the rest of the world, it's only that the crowd you meet in places like cyclone are horror, but they have reason to. i am 100% follower of the cis-religion, but in many places, including dxb, it's not the nicest who come. meet them in their towns like charkiv or wolgograd. you'll find the real gems.

met with 50/50 again at 9. showed me places i hadnt seen yet - rattlesnake and seaview. r. better then expected - lots of cute chinese and the occasional cis, could have made a decision already for a huge-breast-nice-smile prc; but my last dbx hour was approaching. and so rushing to s. and there happened what always happens last minute. met the cutie i was long looking for - in this case a kirgis babe, fake blond, of course, but striking was her sweet attitude. 23 years, shy (not acting) and friendly. bad english, i got her sympathy with russian. showed me pictures of her 2yr old son back home and within 20 minutes i got a complete update on her life and cis-girl-trafficking including how much she's making per night, per month, how much she can keep (nothing), what happens if she's sick and things. poor girl. if you come across her, treat her nice, please. btw, tariff seems to be in the 700 region.
off i was. shit. airport. again: bunch of russian girls on their way home. delayed the departure because they came too late from airport shopping on their clack-clack stilettos and with dozens of gucci bags. these cis love to live up to their reputation. one of the most honest 'tribes'. but the last decades have made them - many of them - the most materialistic. pity

epilogue: 2 nights - too short for wild fantasies and weird experiences like in the postings below, sorry. will be back! results? well, impressions:

pluses:

+ taxi-drivers, receptionists, whoever, all the foreigners who do the work. service-oriented, friendly. thanks, enjoyed your service (doubt they will ever read this)
+ prc-girls. not world-famous and not the highest in the dxb food chain, but seem to be friendly. especially miss m. absolutely great fun
+ ramadan. this handicap in my case turned into an asset: cheaper hotels, cheaper everything, less competitors, less loud music, easier choice, better attitude of girls
+ 50/50, mk. big thanks. good luck.

minuses

- whole slavery shit. i'm not naive and know the trade, however: this moron has the girls' passports, cash, everything, their lives. what the girls have is a mattress in a 10-or-so-girls-flat, a tough job and the hope to see their children half a year from now, which they probably won't. even in pattaya business seems more fair to me, not talking about the west. but here all dirhams go into some prick's latest porsche. well, i know, the girls knew that before. still, wish they'd kick the pimps out and take it in their own hands (and mouths). anyway, treat the ladies well. see ya.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Great atmospheric report. Good to be reminded of what it's like to be new in Dubai.

New Marina area is an up-and-coming place for play. Yes artificial - no doubt about that. (Two years ago it was a flat sandy desert beach area with no buildings. Now it looks like Gotham city). Very expensive area, so it's ironic that it's easier to get freebies. Lots of girls looking for rich boyfriends hang around there.

Apologise not - long is better, just like wide!

[QUOTE] seems to be great in the evening for finding freebies, if you have the bucks. So is whole Dubai.
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I think that sums non P4P well, don't you? Nice Irony.

Don't get too hung up on the slavery thing. Some of what you are told is a little on the bleaker side, and there are many true independents. However, I often fear the comming revelution and the prick with the porsche is gonna get his, don't you worry.

[quote=Will B Have]Deserving of a reports of distinction link[/quote]Agree with Barry D's comment when he linked to the reports of distinction.

One of the more enjoyable reads of late. Obviously someone who did his homework, knew what to expect, had a fun and successful visit. Might not have worked out perfectly, but obviously entertaining enough for a great time and a great FR.

Thanks.
[quote=50/50]If I can't have the morning service then I'm off back to PRC land where all is good and time appears to be no problem.[/quote]Difference between being self-employed, setting your own hours, and working for someone else, having them set your hours for you.

You know it's a rip when the [i]balance[/i] is in the 15k range.

as mongerer’s we can hardly seek the higher moral ground and say how bad things are for the girls. it is us who are keeping the mamasan’s in business. as long as we and the hundreds of others continue to pay, the system will continue until the le finally crack down effectively. it’s not the oldest profession for no reason.

as ever the chinese will do things their way and i see no opportunity for a ‘review’ of how they conduct their business. wr’s speak to the boss plan is probably the best compromise – i.e. strike a deal, as has 50/50 with miss gem. fining the girl when she is late makes excellent business sense to the mamasan, more revenue for her, more pressure on the girl to go out and work again plus a girl immediately available for phone in customers.
it is unusual for a prc to be looking for a way out via the punter. this is in part due to the relative ease of visa renewal procedure for prcs. they appear to work and then go back to family.

filipino girls are often tricked into coming to non existent jobs and find they have to prostitute themselves. with so many filipino workers in real jobs there is a lot of potential to be seen selling their body and to be black listed at home; therefore they tend to be less visible and less promiscuously dressed in the clubs and certainly will refer to you as their boyfriend if asked by their peers. they will also want to be back in their accommodation early in to avoid embarrassing questions as to where they have been all night. filipino’s don’t ring my bell but i do feel sorry for them (sometimes).

cis work in a completely different manner. almost all the cis have absolutely no doubt whatsoever what they will be expected to do in dxb. most have run up debt and are going to dxb to clear the debt on their backs. most of the one’s i have known have few moral hangups about it either, they just see it as a way to pay the bills and support the family at home. frequently there is a russian mafia connection, although out and out pimping is hardly ever seen in dxb the strings are pulled none the less.

the cis girl is often looking for the knight in shinning armour to rescue her from the situation she is in, once she realizes how bad her situation is. where they go seriously wrong is on the visa issue and this is mainly due to the system the authorities adopt.

a cis under 30 will have great difficulty getting a visit visa through a reputable sponsor. often they end up in the hands of dubious locals, via mafia links, who will illegally retain (at best) or sell (frequently) their passports. result no visa, no passport, no way out other than getting help from a wealthy (relatively) expatriate or surrendering to the le (who often throw them back on the streets anyway).

so they will stay that hour/day longer, they will give you the gfe because they want you to be the bfe that saves them. out of interest the penalty for overstay is 100dhms per day plus a fine. if it runs to over a year (very common – miss k was up to 3 years – i met her in her first week) then a fine is negotiated, typically 12-20000dhms depending on whether the girl gets a ban (12months) or not (miss k’s scottish bfe paid 20k plus flights – she is now working in moscow but did avoid the ban). non payment of fine will result in a few months in sharjah jail, not pleasant but not too bad – at least there is a roof and they feed them!

we pay them to leave, so it comes down to you and how you want to play it. if you are an expat living in dxb go for the new girls as they will just want to work and go (content in the belief they are paying the balance) or indeed a prc. if you are a visitor and want cis it doesn’t matter how long they have been in country because they know you are unlikely to bail them out anyway and you won’t have time to build up a relationship, but you might just get the elusive gfe - especially if you tell them you are just at the start of a contract before moving into your company apartment.

now someone is going to say you shouldn’t lie to the girls.

get real, there is no morality in what we are doing, yes be a nice guy, yes buy them a meal, yes don’t abuse them, but please don’t say we have to be honest with them - after all you are not being honest with your wife!

my 2 cents (or tenge)

mk

what brought this on mk?

a fine speech, but probably better in the "morality of prostitution" thread.

way too much ground to cover in this thread.

i respectfully do not agree with some of your statements, based upon 9 years of dxb mongering experience, but certainly agree with some of them.

anyone else want a nice morality discussion (in the right thread?) i will join in.

Sporadic, MK et al

I tend to agree with Mk but we have spoken on this privately many times and have heard of or seen the experiences MK states - which may be generalities but are fact.

Filipinas - definitely true, 'fine' is Dhms 15,000 now for 2 months after which the girls keep 50%. Greed from mamasan is what drives them so I speak with point out a few ecominic home truths and the girls I go with back me up as being nice, generous, not abusive. Thats why the Filipinas generally tend to focus on westerners for punters. Filipinas swing my boat and are good GFE once they trust you. Miss N is a good example of that.

But the shame of being a WG is what drives them to outcall and why you see so few in the bars (certainly in AD, and I am surprised, but pleasantly with Seaview) as there is a shame factor if other non Filipina WGs see them - its a small world

CIS - I bow to MK he has the knowledge. Miss K is/was known to me and her example is fact also.

Africans - no idea

PRC - these work, IMHO, in teams with someone (mamasan?) doing the visa runs etc. And they are out early. Jessy has to pay Dhms 2,500 - 3,000 a month (rent and visa run) - easy maths and that's why they actually earn cash for the family as they market longer, charge less in general and are reasonable GFE.

One Filipina WG I know would take 9 guys a day to clear her debt (no kidding) - I knew this so never bought from her. She was the exception in the Filipinas

But as someone said elsewhere, we are the lucky ones, we get to choose the WG does not and some MK and I have spoken with have stated they have been abused etc (not westerners).

So whether this should be elsewhere its a good discussion topic that FF raised. He and I will do more dicussion this week on this matter (and I will speak mamsan) when I am back in the UAE assuming he can let go of Miss Gem ;)

My tuppence worth (again!)

WR

[quote]But the shame of being a WG is what drives them to outcall and why you see so few in the bars[/quote] Actually, one of the most wonderful WG´s I have ever met never went to a bar in her life. She was strictly word of mouth, and is now back in DXB, running a small string of "friends" only for her "friend-customers." She services highly placed locals, but has never forgotten her gentleman friends, (thank goodness, because I am not minted like our forum-mate Doggus)

JSF, you know who I am talking about.

From her point of view, bars = problems, select customers = a good time all around.

With this retained passport thing.

Why not have their birth certificate sent to them (if indeed needed) and just go to the Russian embassy, or Uzbek, or whatever, claim their passport is lost, pay about 50 Euros and get a replacement passport. Then go to the airport and have their visa restamped.

When Visa run out time, skim a bit off the earnings put somewhere safe and buy a return ticket (again if needed) then get the hell out of dodge.

Come back later as an independent, if she wants. If the balance is not paid, you can usually do a deal! The pimps will always want money rather than problems.

But then I am not a semi educated 20 year old in with an intimidating bunch of pricks who are going to blacken your name back home and give you a damned good hiding to teach you the error of your ways if you get too smart. So maybe I answer my own question.

One disagreement with Sporadic is, that despite the fact there is a morality thread, the way the system works [i]should[/i] be discussed here. The morality thread is likely to be avoided like the plague and sometimes its good to thrust the issues in peoples faces and make them deal with it.

It is important we know how the system works for our own protection and enjoyment. Opinions on [i]how[/i] it works, interestingly, differs also. The girls do not tell the truth all the time, quite obviously. It is also important that all the posts here are not like, "Yeah, got this girl back, gang banged her, got some photos, came all over her face...blah blah blah". Its all part of the experience. If some would rather forget that side of things, then they areboring, boorish shallow uninteresting people.