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[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Dealing with a serious relationship with a Colombian woman is worse than playing the lottery. The only thing I can think of that is worse is getting hooked up with a Gringa.

As far as the crime in Colombia, I can deal with that.

I'll be in Santa Marta tonight for seven days. PM if anybody else is there also to share in the eternal hunt for the GFE.

[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]That leads me to the question if anybody knows a good investigator in Pereira? I searched the Internet already, but the links which appear there are not really helpful. It should be a guy or a company in Pereira. Agencies from the U.S. I found a lot, but they are expensive as they first have to send somebody to Pereira. The divorce is running already, but it might be helpful to proof that she had before and while we are married a guy in Pereira and that they lived together.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.

And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=Dude55]I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:

"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."

The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.

Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.

Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.

Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.

No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.

But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.

If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.

If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.

But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.

It's a high risk with a high potential gain.

I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.

[QUOTE=Fabone]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:

"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."

The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.

Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.

Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.

Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.

No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.

But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.

If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.

If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.

But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.

It's a high risk with a high potential gain.

I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.[/QUOTE]

The commitment to a Colombian girl doesn't have to be high risk. Like every commitment that has value, there is risk. The risk is financial and emotional. Financially, a good pre-nuptial agreement will limit the financial risks. It is imperative for anyone who has any wealth of substance that is a reality, or a dream. Simply put, it makes no sense not to limit your financial exposure if the little darling tries to "game on" you.

Secondly, the emotional aspect should be manageable if one understands that no matter what the intention, one never owns another, and we all free moral agents. My thought is simple: If anyone wants to bring a Colombian girl to a western country, you have the power to give opportunity and hope that simply does not exists in Colombia for the vast, vast majority of these young women. If, after she arrives in "your" country, you two can't co-exist, you wish her well, with good energy, and a hope for her to find what she is looking for, even if it really isn't you.

The Buddha teaches that the source of all pain is unfulfilled desires. If you have the desire to enhance another's life, provide them with an opportunity. To give a little love; then whatever they chose to do should not create a substantial risk. Finally, from a philosophical point-of-view, maybe there will be at least one person who mourns your death. Love and compassion should never lead to pain. Ego leads to. You get the point.

Only good energy!

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.

And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.

I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.

And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.

Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?

[QUOTE=Fabone]Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.[/QUOTE]Awesome post!

[quote=oliver 0205]no i won't. don't get me wrong, but what i wrote was about one girl from colombia. i like the people there, i like the country, unfortunately i picked the wrong girl.

so i paid her a salary via my company to her colombian account. later i had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. she used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.[/quote]thanks for sharing.

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it happens all of the time but is rarely reported.

keep you guard up out there.

I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse. Most will have ulteria motives. Seeing a paisa a couple of times a year does not mean you know them. What do you think they're doing in between the times you are not there? Sitting at home by the phone waiting for your phone call? Odds are they have some more guys on the side. I'm not going to generalize all paisas like that, but the percentage is great in Colombia and any other country. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I seriously don't get it. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.[/QUOTE]Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.

Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.

If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha

There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.

They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.

Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.

To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.

I choose to support both.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I think it's social pressures that lead so many men astray. Plus years of watching bs Hollywood movies that show men and women falling in love and then marrying in ways that are complete fabrications, nothing to do with real life, and yet people fall for this nonsense.

So the consensus is if you're not married by a certain age, you're either gay or there's something wrong with you; and divorced women are also judgmental about men who have never married by a certain age (as if their prospects for remarriage are any better, their loss I guess). I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.

Brother this is your fault, many guys think when you go to Colombia to meet this paisas you are going to be able to buy love. Mijo you are a Sucker this happens to alot af men when you visit medallo. Just live and learn how to play this game. I visit Colombia 5 times per year and I play with all of them not in a hurry to marry this hoes not at all.

[QUOTE=Oliver 0205]No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.

I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.

And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.

Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phunluv]I say you just got to have the cojones to reject the social bs and live the way you see fit, not this societal mirage that's painted for us.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with the whole but WOW: I like this part!

Spot on!

[QUOTE=Fabone]Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.

Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.

If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha

There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.

They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.

Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.

To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.

I choose to support both.[/QUOTE]Senor Fabone, you may be fairly new to this board, however, you are definitely not new to Colombia and it's culture.

This ISG has it's share of characters, and it's drama at times, but every once in a while a new guy shows up with some pretty good wisdom and not all bravado.

I've enjoyed your posts.

Thanks

Well, I've been here for a year already and have NO INTENTION of coming back.

Of course the LAST THING I want is a monogamous wife who expects the same of me. I avoid those types of people like the plague. To me a "good girl" is one who doesnt mind sharing and BEING SHARED, and they are much more common than you think here.

I find it extremely offensive the idea that you are RESCUING someone from poor dirty dangerous Colombia. The fact is that most people who live here appreciate the HELL out of it. This is a beautiful country with lots to offer, lots to offer that they can NEVER replace in N. America or Europe.

If you have that kind of a shitty mentality, you better forget about your plans, because you are starting from a position of LACK OF RESPECT, and that will ALWAYS negatively affect the relationship. If you have THAT low of an opinon of Colombia as a country, you have NO BUSINESS hooking up in a serious relationship with anybody who has any ties here.