Kyiv

Do you think you have to get a nice apartment or hotel.

To impress girls for better fuck and get into potential relationship so that you get free sex?

Nope. Rich girls already live in nice apartment. Having rich Ukrainian speaking cocks to suck. No business with you.

Nope. Poor girls with big tits, nice body and blonde. Have you ever seen their housing? Any housing in central Kiev is impressive to them.

They don't care how you live since you are a tourist.

My answer is. No hotel.

AirBnB near Kreschatyk street is enough.

I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.

Local website. I really can't trust.

AirBnB. Maintenance fee. Is a bit pricey for their price. Well, nothing perfect tho. Personally this is my favorite option.

Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.

All Ukrainian people know you are in Kiev for sex. Don't worry.

They think we live a poor life since we do nothing but work, no fun or no BJ from Western feminists, surrounded by all fat bitches.

Just check how they check you in. It is your sex trip, so you want to avoid meeting entire apartment owner's family to greet you as a member of family. LOL.

There is an apartment in AirBnB. Having a key box with numeric lock so that you don't even get to see the apartment owner. I liked it.

[QUOTE=Coyle;2112681]...It is your sex trip, so you want to avoid meeting entire apartment owner's family to greet you as a member of family. LOL.

There is an apartment in AirBnB. Having a key box with numeric lock so that you don't even get to see the apartment owner. I liked it.[/QUOTE]As long as you can contact the landlord easily with questions about hot water, more towels, lost key. God forbid! Etc.

Had a girl, that I have never met before, waiting in the street, while I've been exiting with my taxi driver and landlord's spouse right after check-in. The girl was nice, nobody even blinked.

Had a girl arriving with me from the airport, and checking in with her own suitcase. Asked beforehand if she'd agree to be introduced as our corporate employee. She smiled, and said: "Don't you worry. When we kiss, - she'll understand who we are."

Have returned to the same landlady from theater a week later, all dressed up and a little drunk, with another beauty on my hand. Introduced ladies to each other, and first reaction of landlady (looking at me) was: "You are so great with the bow tie and everything! (She is in mid 30's, and attractive herself).

Had my apartment's cleaning woman, drinking champagne with me, and 2 of my female visitors, before we left for theatre. She actually left first, and we had another hour before leaving.

Had landlady interacting with my girlfriends after my departure on a material basis for many reasons: for instance forgotten high heel stilettos, so called FMS - "fuck me shoes".

Feedback on AirBnB: "Great guest! Never ever any problems. You would enjoy hosting him". I am sure they enjoyed hosting me.

All the above ladies were classy though. It is simply part of Kiev life style. I do not do anything sleezy. Friendly respectful mutually beneficial meetings.

That is why emancipated feminists hate free-spirited Ukrainian ladies with all the power they have left. They see it as impossible to compete with. Ultimate Freedom.

Hi,

I can see there is a huge selection of girls at [URL]UkrGo.com[/URL], much more than KievLady. (It's like an Ukrainian version of Craigslist).

What are your experiences with them? The pictures look very real to me.

[QUOTE=AlexGray;2113068]Hi,

I can see there is a huge selection of girls at [URL]UkrGo.com[/URL], much more than KievLady. (It's like an Ukrainian version of Craigslist).

What are your experiences with them? The pictures look very real to me.[/QUOTE]What is the criteria for pictures to look real? Google reverse Image search? Tineye? Them looking fuzzy selfies?

AFAI could tell quite a few phone numbers are agencies. That's how I found the best working one so far.

Writing a script, that would sift through all the phone numbers for a day, or a week, identifying repeats, then automatically checking corresponding accounts in Viber, WhatsApp and Telegram, would have been ideal.

Ukrgo advantage is in allowing a keyword search. My attempts to find affordable independents resulted in very polite response from older fat ladies, expecting $100+/ HR. I lost the interest, as the Agency fed me well enough.

IMHO good agency organizes a pipeline. And students already have a dorm paid for, regardless of working or not, more or less. Sure they want extra income, and that's the common ground for encounters.

Older independents pay rent, make incalls, and often are their own directors of marketing. Hence ukrgo. Hence fewer customers. Hence higher rates. Some independents are good, but if there's no exposure to wider sphere of interests, then within a year or so they get bored and mechanical.

YMMV. Certainly worth researching.

You guys are just horny and fantasize your dick with condomless juicy sucking. GIA. Yeah.

One tip, this agency closes at 11 pm After that, you go out on the street and test your luck or other slizzy escort site hoping that you will get amazing blonde with a golden heart.

Hahaha. Don't worry. You are completely normal.

One tip for GIA. Since it closes at 11 pm.

I would like to call GIA around 7 pm Or 8 pm To book a girl around 10:45 pm Or 11:15 pm.

I will be the last man! She might be staying and cuddling my cock over night!

[QUOTE=Coyle;2112681]Do you think you have to get a nice apartment or hotel.

My answer is. No hotel.

AirBnB near Kreschatyk street is enough.

I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.

Local website. I really can't trust.

AirBnB. Maintenance fee. Is a bit pricey for their price. Well, nothing perfect tho. Personally this is my favorite option.

Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.[/QUOTE]I agree, central apartment around Kreshatik is best, no more than 2 streets away and close to either the Independence square end or the Bessarabska Rinok end. I must admit it been a few years since renting apartment but I always received good service from the local agents I used. I was working in Africa and once I came down with malaria while there. The apartment manager organised a doctor to come and see me early in the morning (I rang him at 7 am) and also sent one of their translators to help. That's the sort of service I appreciate.

Spent some time In Kiev recently, a few months ago. Went for a massage at Dolly's. Location was easy to find. The apartment was OK. But the hot water in the shower didn't really work, it was either cold as ice or 3rd degree burn HOT. You had to dance in the show between "jesus that's cold" and "holy shit that's hot as F". Anyway, before that miserable shower experience I was offered a terrible lineup of 4 girls. Wow, bad, really bad. All 4 were short, fat, and not very attractive. It wasn't exactly prime time I admit, but 4 pm on a Monday, but still. Anyway, being there for not much more than a massage and a happy ending, picked the best of the group and went in for an hour. Terrible massage. Terrible happy ending effort, no additional touching, anywhere, total crap. With the 20 plus options out there in Kiev, I'd pick something other than Dolly.

One redeeming factor. As I was leaving, one girl was finishing up with another massage. And was a stunner! Exactly what I was hoping to find, tall, skinny, blonde. The type of dream we all have when coming to Kiev. Alas. Maybe next time.

Stay safe out there.

[QUOTE=Coyle;2113158]...I would like to call GIA around 7 pm Or 8 pm To book a girl around 10:45 pm Or 11:15 pm.

I will be the last man! She might be staying and cuddling my cock over night![/QUOTE]She might be. If she falls in love with your masculinity. Or if you arrange a collusion with sufficient payment, and she doesn't have to study or work in the morning.

I prefer renting a 2 bedroom. One for me, one for her, or a solid sofa in the living room, so that my visitors are tempted to stay instead of taking a cab to the dorm or an apartment, shared with a roommate, that they not always like.

FYI: GIA uses very smart billing / accounting, unlike any other agency:

First hour for most affordable GIA ladies rated at 3,500 UAH / HR, at the dinner, performing oral on you in the last row of movie theater, or anywhere else, is $130 (maybe extra for movie tickets, popcorn and $200 surcharge).

First 4 hours recalculate to a substantially lower rate - 7,500 UAH /$276 = $69 - What a number!

The whole 24 hours is 14,500 UAH = $534 or $22/ HR.

If you negotiate upfront, and pay, she might be staying overnight.

If you decide to pay the remaining balance later, she may not.

For example: First 10 hours is 11,500 = $424.14 hours more to complete 24 hours is only $110 more for her. And the idea of being awaken at random hours through the night, and then asked to comply with your morning wood desires, may not be so appealing at less than $8/ HR. I had them saying: "Sorry, I have to work in the morning".

Arranging multiple days is another story, just make sure she's entertained besides making love, and treated as a human being. In my experience firmly assured anticipation of fun, that she sincerely believes in, is somewhat directly proportional to provided quality of services. Sorry, I meant to say "how much she'll fall in love with your personality" (tongue in cheek).

Some fresh newbie from GIA / Rio may simply have few day off and even stay for free with a person she likes (who established himself as a reliable / paying REAL man). Typically they have expenses to cover, you are a provider, even if there's a romantic aura present.

As explained for many years already, transforming interaction from transactional / hourly into a friendly relationship with underlying implicit charity cash flow is the best, as long as you are competitive on the current market. The delta difference dictates what you'll be allowed: an innocent kiss on her cheek, or much much more while departing and upon your next inevitable return.

I wonder if we can create a formula here - $$ + restaurants of certain star rating + iPhone model she would definitely expect from you if it's 2-3 days, and so on and so forth. And how it translates into her being 9-10 in the bed and outside for you.

Forgive my candor please.

Hi gents,

I'm wondering if anyone has ideas about how to marry a Ukrainian girl for immigration purpose. Do you know if there are such agencies that would help? I found one called Kirda Partners based in Lviv on the internet and the manager claimed they could help. But I am not sure if I should trust them. Should I turn to the agency or just talk to random girls to negotiate the deal? And also would the marriage process be complicated?

I want to migrate to Ukraine not only for ua pussies, but also for security of my property. In my home country the environment for business is terrible and private property is not well protected.

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Anthony.

[QUOTE=Coyle;2112681] ... I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.
... Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.[/QUOTE]Coyle,

Do you know if indeed in hotels (top ones, like 5* or 4*) are hanging around in lobby / lobby bar hot WG's, and in which hotels?

Or if any of other members with experience in Kiev can give this info?!

Some 6-7 years ago one of best experience I had in Marriott Bucharest. In bar while having glass. Two of wine around 9 - 9. 30 pm noted that there was several girls (as I was told later, even the hotel arrange & agree with selected ladies to be there! Bla bla bla, 1-2 drinks I offered to those two friends after the eye-contact (they made it as I was on my damn laptop and mails!) and black hair one at one point was straight: I'd like very much to be your company in your room for 2-3 hrs instead of going home!

Logical reasoning she had was "at 11 or 12 I can go only to home, with nothing, less couple of drinks" ! She stayed all night (on her initiative, and we killed during the night also whole bottle of red wine + eating) for what we agreed in lobby bar, if remember right was $300. Next day in afternoon her blond friend was so clear that on purpose she waited in lobby bar (during our drink together of course I said few things about me, why I'm there etc etc etc so she knew what and how to make her plan, but she was there also for chance to catch any other guest), for 1 hour session (but was near 2 hrs, not clock-watcher. Later that evening took them both to concert and we ended evening till 4-5 am in very long 3 some. And on 3rd night they instructed one their another friend to be in lobby bar. Stunning face, tall 180+ , but guess she left boobs at home or what?

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2113359]Hi gents,

I'm wondering if anyone has ideas about how to marry a Ukrainian girl for immigration purpose. Do you know if there are such agencies that would help? I found one called Kirda Partners based in Lviv on the internet and the manager claimed they could help. But I am not sure if I should trust them. Should I turn to the agency or just talk to random girls to negotiate the deal? And also would the marriage process be complicated?

I want to migrate to Ukraine not only for ua pussies, but also for security of my property. In my home country the environment for business is terrible and private property is not well protected.

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Anthony.[/QUOTE]I married an Ukrainian, applied for permanent residency through my home Embassy. They pocketed the application fee, lost all the paperwork which cost several hundred dollars to get and finally ignored all communication when trying to chase it up. I eventually gave up.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2113484]I married an Ukrainian, applied for permanent residency through my home Embassy. They pocketed the application fee, lost all the paperwork which cost several hundred dollars to get and finally ignored all communication when trying to chase it up. I eventually gave up.[/QUOTE]I've heard that happens when they sense your marriage is a fraud.

[QUOTE=Riina;2113770]I've heard that happens when they sense your marriage is a fraud.[/QUOTE]How many wives are allowed by Ukrainian Law?

I just wanted to share my pathetic story of living in an American city where no fresh pussies are to be had for grown up guys. Even though I'm older, I still like to go out and very much enjoy dancing amongst hotties, especially young Ukrainians. I frequent a Euro club where almost half the club is Uki. I don't approach the girls anymore, my game is nonexistent. What's unique about the Ukrainians, is the visual excitement you can briefly see in their eyes towards me. As if we were in Ukraine, maybe we could meet behind closed doors. I'm an average looking dude, but I like to play the sugar daddy part with the nice clothes and suggestive presence. So over the last couple years, when a Uki girl gives me the "look", I track her down on VK or FB and simply send the "you are a beautiful girl" message. That makes me known to them the next time they see me in the club. The effect is these girls never miss the right opportunity to walk by me and rub themselves against me. This past weekend a group of three girls that all knew me from sight, basically pummeled me passing to the dance floor. The first one firmly rubbed her body and tits against me and the other two friends followed with elbows. Never had three at once like that. I know this sounds like really stupid stuff, but I get discreetly rubbed all the time by the Ukrainians in the club. Their's clearly a cheap feeling of connection with girls I don't even know. This doesn't happen with the other EE's like the Polish.

The point is imagine what can happen In Ukraine. Instead of cheap feels, we would be talking about real pussies to be had.

[QUOTE=Riina;2113788]I just wanted to share my pathetic story of living in an American city where no fresh pussies are to be had for grown up guys. Even though I'm older, I still like to go out and very much enjoy dancing amongst hotties, especially young Ukrainians. I frequent a Euro club where almost half the club is Uki. I don't approach the girls anymore, my game is nonexistent. What's unique about the Ukrainians, is the visual excitement you can briefly see in their eyes towards me. As if we were in Ukraine, maybe we could meet behind closed doors. I'm an average looking dude, but I like to play the sugar daddy part with the nice clothes and suggestive presence. So over the last couple years, when a Uki girl gives me the "look", I track her down on VK or FB and simply send the " you are a beautiful girl" message. That makes me known to them the next time they see me in the club. The effect is these girls never miss the right opportunity to walk by me and rub themselves against me. This past weekend a group of three girls that all knew me, basically pummeled me passing to the dance floor. The first one rubbed her body and tits against me and the other two followed with elbows. Never had a three at once like that. I know this sounds like really stupid stuff, but I get rubbed all the time whenever I'm in the club. Their's clearly a feeling of connection with Ukrainians I don't even know. This doesn't happen with the other EE's like the Polish or Maldovians.

The point is imagine what can happen In Ukraine. Instead of cheap feels, we would be talking about real pussies to be had.[/QUOTE]I think Ukrainian and Russian girls are attracted to different kind of men than American girls. Uki / Russians like men that are more mature, successful (your taste, style, class). You are probably their type so they notice you in clubs. They see you differently than American girls. I have the same experience as you.

American girls tend to be more attracted to football player type of men (jocks). But EE girls aren't attracted to this type.