Angeles City

I used to love AC but now it is becoming too greedy. Bars wanting 3000 peso for bar fine and BJ bar with girls that don't give BJ's. A lot of places will take 2500 peso but I need a girl with tits an ass or at less one of the combination. Don't get me wrong filipinas are beautiful but four feet high and 80 lbs is not for me IMHO. Club Ra is the best place to find woman with curves and I pay the bar fine here but a couple of them have the sh*#est attitude after bar hopping is over. Makes me think about picking up independent but not at this point. Now I am in BKK and it is a little better since my last adventure 2 years ago. Next year when the olympics are over I probably go back to Brazil.

Oosik did you get laid yet? I think I read most of your posts but you always seem to go back to your room alone?

Try to talk to the quiet ones, maybe one will be able to jump over your high bar of acceptability?

Your stories read like a fasting man at a banquet.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1799937]Oosik did you get laid yet? ...Your stories read like a fasting man at a banquet.[/QUOTE]Lmfoa, they are great reads.

The relationship between mongers and Angeles City is like an abusive marriage. Angeles beats the crap out of mongers, takes their money, and lets them down but they keep going back to her hoping she will change. But she only demands more money in return for dishing out more abuse. She knows that she is the best thing around and mongers will complain, pout, protest, and even runaway for a while but when they get that itch they'll come back for her to scratch it.

[QUOTE=DickHertz;1799889]I used to love AC but now it is becoming too greedy. Bars wanting 3000 peso for bar fine and BJ bar with girls that don't give BJ's. A lot of places will take 2500 peso but I need a girl with tits an ass or at less one of the combination. Don't get me wrong filipinas are beautiful but four feet high and 80 lbs is not for me IMHO. Club Ra is the best place to find woman with curves and I pay the bar fine here but a couple of them have the sh*#est attitude after bar hopping is over. Makes me think about picking up independent but not at this point. Now I am in BKK and it is a little better since my last adventure 2 years ago. Next year when the olympics are over I probably go back to Brazil.[/QUOTE]Agree that Ra girls are great until you get them back to hotel. Had the same experience recently. Look good but not performers.

3000 is very cheap considering what it costs in other Asian cities.

IMHO.

[QUOTE=DickHertz;1799889]I used to love AC but now it is becoming too greedy. [/QUOTE]I noticed this on my last visit, also. Rising prices are inevitable, but the thing that bothered me more was the attitude of the girls. Getting the girls to come out of the bar on a barfine was harder than ever. It was almost as if they seemed like they were doing me a favor. Of course, I only go for the hot ones, but on previous visits, it's never been an issue.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1799937]Oosik did you get laid yet? I think I read most of your posts but you always seem to go back to your room alone?

Try to talk to the quiet ones, maybe one will be able to jump over your high bar of acceptability?

Your stories read like a fasting man at a banquet.[/QUOTE]Somebody who knows him needs to check him out. Sounds like one of those guys that might jump off the 20th floor soon.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1800058]I noticed this on my last visit, also. Rising prices are inevitable, but the thing that bothered me more was the attitude of the girls. Getting the girls to come out of the bar on a barfine was harder than ever. It was almost as if they seemed like they were doing me a favor. Of course, I only go for the hot ones, but on previous visits, it's never been an issue.[/QUOTE]Guys, I am sure there are still great girls in AC, but I noticed the deterioration in overall attitudes the last time I was in AC too. I think you can trace the beginning of the change to the year of the raids. Anyway this is one of the reasons why I prefer Barrio Barretto over AC nowadays. I have never encountered a poor attitude bar girl in Subic. Yes Barretto has less bars and less girls, but there are more than enough to satisfy my needs for 4 or 5 days. In addition, Baloy Beach and Barrio Barreto has a more resort feel than AC (Fields and Perimeter Road) and I like being on a beach with the sea breeze. Check it out is all I am saying.

I also really like Manila, specifically a few bars on Burgos Street and in the EDSA Entertainment Complex. The bars here are significantly more expensive than AC bars, that's the downside, but the girls are great as in good selection of pretties, great attitudes, and quality service. Thus I prefer Manila girls over AC girls and I skipped AC on my last two trips to the PI and plan to do so again on my next trip in 2016.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1800058]I noticed this on my last visit, also. Rising prices are inevitable, but the thing that bothered me more was the attitude of the girls. Getting the girls to come out of the bar on a barfine was harder than ever. It was almost as if they seemed like they were doing me a favor. Of course, I only go for the hot ones, but on previous visits, it's never been an issue.[/QUOTE]That was my experience in Bangkok during my semi-annual visits. The girls were harder to bed for each subsequent visit. Maybe we are just growing old and not as desirable. The final straw for me was a bar girl that would allow me to pay her barfine, but we go to disco only.

As bad as the Philippines is now, Bangkok is even worse. Maybe Pattaya is the place to be now?

I'm not going to disagree. I'm lucky enough to visit Philippines twice or thrice a year. You get to know people. They get to know you. I'd hit a few bars, but ended up at High Society disco in the wee hours. I'd had fun. But I was alone and wanting to get back to my room. It's always nice to have something brown and warm to sleep next to. Sent a text or two and someone (bless her heart) was there in 20 min.

I had an odd episode on my last visit. I was doing a late afternoon Perimeter bar hop / pub crawl. A cute gal came into the bar with staff, or?. The communication seemed to indicate that she was a job applicant, and I was eager to talk to her. I bought her and someone who seemed to represent her a drink. After conversation it was revealed that she'd worked there before and was a "virgin". The most gorgeous gals at some bars are beautiful young "virgins".

I can see how this plays out with some hapless Korean Horndogs. I think they were using me as training.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1800058]I noticed this on my last visit, also. Rising prices are inevitable, but the thing that bothered me more was the attitude of the girls. Getting the girls to come out of the bar on a barfine was harder than ever. It was almost as if they seemed like they were doing me a favor. Of course, I only go for the hot ones, but on previous visits, it's never been an issue.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Axiata;1799986]Agree that Ra girls are great until you get them back to hotel. Had the same experience recently. Look good but not performers.

3000 is very cheap considering what it costs in other Asian cities.

IMHO[/QUOTE]Yeh, but its not very cheap when you compare the girls share of the P3000 bar fine, P1500 for a 'runner' (one or two hours with ya) to the girls who work as house maids or work in the rice fields. They get as little as P150 for 10 hrs work. Some P300 for 10 hrs work. Level of non education bar girls and rice field girls, roughly the same. Only one is willing to have sex with a stranger, the other prefers to earn the money 'the honest way'.

The 'very cheap' mentality of punters has ensured prices rise. I suggest the bars introduce two categories of bar fines, the ST (short time) bar fine, say P1500 which the girl gets P750 (plus presumably a reasonable tip if job well done) and the LT (long time / all night) bar fine, say 2500 of which the girl gets P1250 or thereabouts, plus tip if any.

Then we would definitely have a claim if she does a runner, ie, you have paid the LT bar fine, but she ST'd you. Having two different categories of bar fines would assist the punter, and I bet the sex industry would prosper as a result. Too many unhappy punters nowadays. The owners and girls would prosper too. More business, not less business as has been the trend in recent years.

But of course the owners are getting LT money for ST absences of their girls. She returns to the bar and owner 'sells' her again and again. Chance for girl to pick up more money for less work that way. Consequently punter sees less value nowadays and the industry stagnates or declines. No one wins.

The 'very cheap' customers make sure the bar owners and girls do not change their attitude / modus operandi. I will lead the charge if you like, LOL. Make them honest, is what I say. Honesty in Phils?

Disclaimer: I still get good value, in 90% of cases, but I have to spend more pre sex time developing a relationship. In days of yore, you got good value, even though it was "slam, bam, thank you mam". They were honest, in that they were only there for sex (pre fake GFE era) and you were honest that you only wanted to get rid of an itch, and not looking for anything else.

Innovate lads, innovate. Which reminds me, have to go back to that bar and get a refund. Fat luck, LOL.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;1800067]That was my experience in Bangkok during my semi-annual visits. The girls were harder to bed for each subsequent visit. Maybe we are just growing old and not as desirable. The final straw for me was a bar girl that would allow me to pay her barfine, but we go to disco only.

As bad as the Philippines is now, Bangkok is even worse. Maybe Pattaya is the place to be now?[/QUOTE]Its is true that some of the top looking girls working in Bangkok gogo bars can be very choosy with who they barfine, they will choose a young good looking / fit body guy over a guy old enough to be her grandfather, and there are plenty of young guys in all the Bangkok gogos for the girls to fill their quota.

With that said, never had a problem barfining at will in Bangkok gogo bars, speaking thai, dressed well, mid 40's probably helps.

Soi 6 in patttaya has hundreds of young girls eager to fuck with any age / any looks / any nationality at prices not seen in angeles for years.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1800065]Guys, I am sure there are still great girls in AC, but I noticed the deterioration in overall attitudes the last time I was in AC too. I think you can trace the beginning of the change to the year of the raids. Anyway this is one of the reasons why I prefer Barrio Barretto over AC nowadays. I have never encountered a poor attitude bar girl in Subic. Yes Barretto has less bars and less girls, but there are more than enough to satisfy my needs for 4 or 5 days. In addition, Baloy Beach and Barrio Barreto has a more resort feel than AC (Fields and Perimeter Road) and I like being on a beach with the sea breeze. Check it out is all I am saying.

I also really like Manila, specifically a few bars on Burgos Street and in the EDSA Entertainment Complex. The bars here are significantly more expensive than AC bars, that's the downside, but the girls are great as in good selection of pretties, great attitudes, and quality service. Thus I prefer Manila girls over AC girls and I skipped AC on my last two trips to the PI and plan to do so again on my next trip in 2016.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% with deteriorating girl attitudes in angeles bars.

What I find is that it can get mighty frustrating having to visit multiple angeles bars to find any young. Attractive, slim girls that will want to barfine, most are happy to stay in their bar getting salary and large commission on double ladies drinks and not accepting barfines.

Throw in that there is a very high chance that that bargirl you see dancing on stage is a cherry girl, virgin and the chase to get laid in angeles city becomes even more difficult.

I throw the blame for both these senarios squarly on the bar owners and mamas shoulders who turn a blind eye to drink only girls and employ virgins in establishments that are designed to get laid.

Give the bargirls a quota number of barfines they need to make per month in order to claim salary, lower the large commission the girls receive from lady drinks making it more profitable for girls to barfine than to stay in the bar.

I won't hold my breath waiting for any changes.

Subic is a nice change of scenery from angeles and the girls have a better attitude, the main problem with subic is the choice of good looking slim girls is even worse than angeles

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1800256]Agree 100% with deteriorating girl attitudes in angeles bars.

What I find is that it can get mighty frustrating having to visit multiple angeles bars to find any young. Attractive, slim girls that will want to barfine, most are happy to stay in their bar getting salary and large commission on double ladies drinks and not accepting barfines.

Throw in that there is a very high chance that that bargirl you see dancing on stage is a cherry girl, virgin and the chase to get laid in angeles city becomes even more difficult.

I throw the blame for both these senarios squarly on the bar owners and mamas shoulders who turn a blind eye to drink only girls and employ virgins in establishments that are designed to get laid.

Give the bargirls a quota number of barfines they need to make per month in order to claim salary, lower the large commission the girls receive from lady drinks making it more profitable for girls to barfine than to stay in the bar.

I won't hold my breath waiting for any changes.

Subic is a nice change of scenery from angeles and the girls have a better attitude, the main problem with subic is the choice of good looking slim girls is even worse than angeles[/QUOTE]Again, I also agree 100%. On my recent count, about half the girls have stretch marks they carefully hide. A large number are fat and / or have post natal hanging bellies. A large number are really ugly. I notice that some customers are lonely & desperate for attention and buy drinks in bulk for large groups of squealing girls. Such drink rounds last about 20 minutes before glasses are dry and the girls start to dissipate. Most want drinks only making excuses about menstruation, health checkups etc etc. Those that go out try their best to do ST only. Although one may be attracted by the cheap workout, one must factor in the other costs such as getting to / from Manila in most cases as Clark airport is basically dead. AC trikes are a scam charging special tourist rates. In addition, some friends have caught STDs regularly from the girls. Most are from Samar and probably have little common sense on disease (or anything else). Add onto this AC is really a slum with nowhere to go in daytime except the SM mall. The mall is full of guys wondering around aimlessly in circles during the period 10 am - 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1799937]Oosik did you get laid yet? [/QUOTE]I would love to know if he got laid. But I sure hope the stories keep coming. Some really entertaining reads on this thread after a long time spent over rising bar fines, prices, tips and scams.