Kyiv

[QUOTE=Jymondor;2120656]This is marketing trick. GIA does not want one-hour bookings. They want longers stays. Four-hour stay ranged between $87 and $138, which is still high but bearable.

If you switch to the Russian language, you will see prices in UAH. The range between 7500 and 12000 UAH per 4 hrs. Today USD = 27.8 UAH. I guess you could buy it for 1:26. It makes $72 to $115 per hour. This is not too bad if you are OK with the basic service. But CIM will add $38 USD and GREEK $77. Ridiculously overpriced comparable with indy or "hidden" agencies...[/QUOTE]I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.

Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.

[QUOTE=Kobebryant2000;2121614]Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.[/QUOTE]You said it yourself: Holidays! Supply-demand ratio on the market is not in your favor.

You are also correct in stating that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean significantly better. IMHO, here is what it means: if you take 10 girls, your chances for enjoyment might be somewhat higher, but not proportionally to the cost. 1500 UAH is better than 800 for sure, however 1500,1800, 1900,2000- are all the same. 3000-5000 may have more expensive clothes, manicure + iPhone X. And poor performance, as they may not be interested in repeat customer, - quite often more expensive ones are interested in ditching the trick as quick as possible in order to get to fishing again.

Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2121016]I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Coyle;2121816]Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?[/QUOTE]Must be pipeline capacity on consumer side:

On average GIA employs 30 providers. $150-210 range for the first hour, and $500-800 for 24 hours. How many customers are in this market niche? Doubt there's enough to saturate GIA, and generate demand for additional competitors or franchises. Whenever I call, there are waiting and willing GIA ladies. Cash flow dictates the numbers.

Those of us, even with sufficient funds, feeling GIA selection is limited, may always diversify into the wild world of numerous cheaper (or not) agencies, that do not have quality assurance in place.

GIA does have its own challenges, but to a much lesser extent. Its resources are managed for sure.

Another reason for being the only one of a kind must be the nature of protection. The word says it's police or something equally powerful. Perhaps it is convenient to work with single entity, instead of multiple shops.

There must be other closed supply channels for high-rollers at different levels, GIA is tried-and-true and easily available.

I haven't been to Kiev for a few months, so wasn't aware that Mandarin had closed, probably being somewhat out of town it was never busy, so wasted a journey getting to the place to find out that it had shut down. The adjacent disco club seem to be still open.

Some said that it might open again others said no, my guess is that it will probably remain closed as the place was never that busy.

Happy New year everyone.

I am a newbie and it was my first and only time in Kiev.

First of all, I got a lot of help on ISG, thank you so much. And therefore I am also writing these reports aiming to help newbies like myself.

If you are veterans in Kiev, you may want to skip my posts from here. Newbies please continue.

To start with, I was genuinely confused if Kiev is a heaven or not after reading this forum. There were people who loves Kiev, also some who thinks Kiev does not worth a trip on ISG.

There were posts which say Kiev is heaven, you will get model-type non pro for a cheap price; There were also posts which say Kiev is hopeless, go to Germany where it will be easier.

After my trip, I think the best way to conclude it is that it really depends on what you are looking for, how long will you stay and efforts you will put. Your personal preference determines if Kiev is heaven or a boring place for you.

If you are having a long-term stay in Kiev OR rich OR handsome OR speak Russian OR spending a lot of time working on girls on mamba / in malls / cafes, you significantly increase the quality of your game. Someone who travels to Kiev 10 times, doing 5 hours of work for each trip, will sum up to 50 hours of homework. If you are a one time tourist, of course it is hard to do comparable amount of work. Let's face it, girls prefer handsome / rich / long term / Russian-speaking sponsors. That's normal.

Frequent travellers to Kiev will have all the advantages the rest of us won't have. Please do not expect the same good experience as the veterans on ISG / Kiev forum.

Having said that, these conditions are NOT necessary for a good trip. I went there one time for a short time, I am not rich nor handsome and I had a good time.

Okay, You may not get a 10 for a 1500 UAH. But If you spend time to work on your game, you will have a good time for a fair price. More importantly, you will get semi-pro / non-pro that are rare / impossible / expensive in places like Germany. Let me explain below.

Tinder.

If you are good looking / looking for long term, Tinder may be useful. Tinder is after all a face-based matching service. You may use fake photo of some handsome dude, but I did not do that and won't do that. I got some matches and replies. But they are mostly sharks for money.

Girls may mention things like they need to go to beauty salon, don't have work, only serve you alone as your GF.

I was quoted 30 k -60 k UAH per month from some hotties. And at least 3-4 K UAH / hour if it is not long term.

One of them asked for 4 K plus 1 gram of drug for 2 hours. HAHA.

But in turn, they provide long term sponsorship and agree to only see one guy at a time.

Think about it, if you are a girl looking for sponsor, tinder is going to be more work (swiping instead of waiting for messages) than mamba. If you are a girl on tinder, you are looking for a higher reward than mamba.

A lot of these girls have been to Dubai, get spoiled by Arabic guys who pay them 30 K UAH for a week.

If you are rich or seeking long-term sponsorship, Tinder is a very good platform.

If you are using iphone, you can move your GPS to Kiev using the debug function of xcode. Then you can use tinder before your trip. Yes, it means you need to connect to your mac if you want to use tinder. Take 5 minutes a day to swipe.

My experience: Got some hits, but less useless than mamba, but I did not pay for VIP on tinder.

Badoo.

I got some girls genuinely wanted to make friends. I spent hours flirting, that was fine. But as soon as they see your intention, there are no ways to get them to meet. If you are good looking, have time to spend for flirting and want completely non-pro, badoo is for you. It may be easier and less expensive than Tinder, but girls there may not want a sponsor at all. It was a time wasted for me.

There are some genuine girls there. I hope you don't lie and take advantage of them. I will curse you A Ho.

Take care of your hobby, but always be a gentleman.

You can find their insta profiles on badoo. Sometime you can guess if they are up for paid sex on insta.

My experience: very good for making friends, potentially very good for non-pro. UA Girls are quite friendly. For me, useless in term of mongering.

Mamba.

For me, mamba was a painful learning curve. I wasted too much time on it (addicted to checking out girls' profile) without much reward at the beginning.

Some members say you should do your homework a month before. It is completely not necessary. Most girls ignore you anyway if you are not in Kiev. For non-pro and some semi-pro, yes you probably need longer time of homework. If you search a month in advance, your contacts may not be available anymore by the time you reach Kiev (they delete their profiles quite often also). I think 2-4 days homework before your trip is okay, max 2 weeks before your trip (I think I started checking mamba almost 2 months before my trip, LOL, Gosh, stupid me).

You have to purchase the VIP, it helps A LOT, I did not do that at the beginning and wasted a lot of time. Painful lesson learned. It is important to message girls who has unread mails in their inbox, it is even more important to be able to see if the girls want sponsors or not. Just buy a 30 days VIP until the last day of your trip. The VIP is cheap, like 15 USD.

The girls care a lot if you are in Kiev or not. They get so many messages per day, they don't want to talk to someone who will be there next month. In my first 100 messages, I stupidly mentioned that I am not in Kiev now and I will be there in a few weeks. No one replied me. If you are not ready for a meeting soon, they (semi-pro or pro) are absolutely not interested! Don't let them know at the beginning. Get their phone numbers first before they see yours. Some girls ignored me as soon as they see my phone number (not +380 of course).

First, Go for girls who wants sex or wants a sponsor or wants a 50 years old guys. These girls have the highest response rate and it is very easy to get a few phone numbers. I know, I know, they may be pro with fake photo. But it is good to have a few contacts at hand and get an idea of the price range, so that you are not so desperate. Then expand your search to other girls who look more like semi-pro or non-pro. Other girls will ignore you more often. I like mamba, they give you a bar telling you how often does the girl reply.

If you know Russian, writing in Russian will help a lot.

Don't mention the price until you are pressed for it. Better if the girls tell you what they want.

If they tell you to name a price, you can tell a range (E. G 1500-2000 UAH / hour, 3000 UAH for 2 hours, depends on her look and services).

Girls who are online all the time with high response rate are probably pro. Of course, it is not a rule.

Day 1.

My first date was with a blonde semi pro or non pro. Very very slim. Around 172 cm tall. Look 24-27 years old.

She does not speak any English. We could not communicate well but she did not show frustration. Good attitude.

We started with a lot of cuddling and kissing. I liked it a lot.

Blowjob was only covered. She kissed very well and we kissed a lot.

(Details on the Fetish, skip next few lines if you don't like kissing:

She used her tongue to massage my tongue everywhere. We sucked on each other. She even push her tongue deep into my mouth. She satisfied every single fetish I want in a kiss).

69 with her was very fun. She is a sensitive girl. Every time I hit on the right spot, she has this involuntary contraction of the ass muscle and legs. (just 1-2 contraction as a reflex, not the continuous contraction in orgasms). I have to say it is very fun to watch.

That's one reason why I like semi-pro / non-pro: they are sensitive and they don't need to fake it. Pro in FKK have to take so many guys in a day, either they are not sensitive anymore, or they don't let you touch their sensitive parts.

Sex was good. I kissed her in every positions whenever possible. I love her kisses.

Agreed on 3000 UAH for 2 hours, it was only 1-1. 5 hours. But it was late (3 am). We were both tired. I am fine with the shorter time. And for me the kissing well worths the 3000 UAH.

The problem with this girl is that she does not speak English at all. Whatever I learned about Russian is not good enough to sustain a small talk. It was an kinda-awkward silence while she was waiting for taxi.

Note to myself, it is a big plus if the girl knows English, I am willing to pay more UAH to date someone who knows English.

Day 2.

Chat up with another girl on mamba. She told me she was a semi-pro: university student but part-time escort. From the photo she sent, she may not be a stunner, but she is cute. I also feel like she is going to be a nice girl. More importantly, she wrote in good English and only take 1000 UAH / hour + taxi. Wanting to try someone who speaks good English, I opted for her.

She said she is 19 years old. It matches her baby face and the fact that she is still in Uni. She looks like 17 when she smiles with her baby face.

I got a lot of french kissing from her. Very sympathetic girl.

She was a working girl, I did not go down on her. It was basically kiss + BJ + sex.

She has big boobs, when I sucked on one of the boobs, she took initiative to suck her other boobs.

She worked hard to ride me. I was thinking if she is going to break the bed. LOL. I did not want to stop her and I cum in the condom pretty soon.

Sex was only 20 minutes. I cummed too fast.

Then she said "excuse me" and started violently rubbing her own clit until orgasm a few minutes later. I was stunned. I joined in with kissing and touching while she helped herself.

For the rest of the one hour, we talk about her life, university, dorm life with other girls, her ex, problems for girls in Ukraine.

I was touching her naked body the whole time. It was a good decision to book someone who speaks English.

It was a nice hour and I paid her tips rounding up 1300 or 1400 UAH in total.

After that, she proposed to walk with me. That was very cute and nice of her to offer that. We ended up walking around Kiev for almost an hour, she showed me the local shops, her favourite restaurants and whatever came to her mind. No touching or holding hand whatsoever during the walk. Just respectful friends. It was a good evening.

Day 3.

I decided to use the agency service. Just to try different things.

I got a number before my trip. But you can also find different numbers on websites.

[URL]http://relaxkiev.com/eng/[/URL]

[URL]http://intimportal.net[/URL]

Go for the numbers which are used by multiple girls, they are agencies. You can text them all on viber and asked them to send you photos. Multiple different numbers may belong to the same agencies, but only one number will send you photo then. Just ask for the photo first, no need to commit for a booking at this stage.

The dispatcher I asked is helpful and nice. Good service.

You will get photo from the dispatcher, but faces are not shown. 2200 UAH for an hour. Prices vary depending on the agencies, but I heard that 2200 UAH girl are basically the same as 2000 UAH. Small price difference does not guarantee better quality.

I asked for 3 girls for me to choose 1. Turned out they thought there were 2 men and we would take 2 out of 3 or something.

When I said I only want 1, at first they were confused and then annoyed.

The dispatcher probably woke them up at 2 am and made them get ready for me.

In hindsight, I should have given some tips to the girls I sent back. The girl I picked was upset because I made her friends unhappy. It is better to stay at girls' good side.

Out of the 3, only one of them I found cute (the one I picked) 7-8/10, the other 2 were fairly average 5/10, not worth 2200 UAH.

I like her body. No huge boobs, I am not interested in huge boobs anyway. But she has a tight body and natural standing boobs. Slim and nice butt. Probably 21-25 years old.

No French kissing, no pussy-eating, no fingering, basically blowjob and fuck only. I did not ask for deep throat or anal. I was not interested, but I imagine the answer will be no also.

She started with a covered blowjob. I wanted to kiss her body first, but she does not speak any English, so I gave up arguing with her.

Turned out the blowjob was great. In FKK, I would count myself lucky to get a 5 minute BJ continuously. Here she gave me an at-least 10 minutes BJ, maybe even much longer.

She closed her eye when we were in missionary style. (I don't feel like staring if she sees me) I had the luxury to stare at her flawless cute face for the whole time. It was very enjoyable.

Compared to the two girls before, she is obviously a professional. She grind her pussy on me when we fucked, it was so hot. She rode me well and she can also do this trick of pussy muscle contraction. She was good, I was hard but I could not cum. In the last 15 minutes, I was banging her in doggie style. I sweated so much (it is winter, imagine how hard I worked) that her back is complete wet from my sweat. In FKK, the girl will either push you away if you cannot cum after a long time, or complain about it, or at least give you a bitchy face. To be honest, 30 minutes of non-stop hard pounding, it is fair for the girl to complain that she is tired. But with this girl, she did not show the slightest dismay. I appreciate the professionalism there.

In term of skills, I cannot complain much. Yet, personally, I found myself not so much into pro girls. After this night, it was clear to me that I should focus on mamba and tinder.

Day 4.

At this point, I have accumulated enough contacts on mamba for me to meet a different girl for a week.

But I still missed the kissing from the blonde girl on the first day.

I text her again to arrange a 1 hour meeting (1700 UAH, taxi included).

It was again great as before.

I always fancy having a threesome with 2 sisters. I almost made that fantasy into reality in Kiev.

I chatted up with a girl on mamba, we did not manage to meet on the first 2 days of my trip due to busy schedule.

Afterward, she left Kiev to go home for new year. But then she mentioned she has friends who are sisters, and they are willing to meet for 3500 UAH (total). She sent me some photos, I immediately jumped on it and said yes. These are chances one cannot ask for. Either a pro or mamba, how often do they offer their sister for a threesome? (I found it extremely rude to ask a girl if she can bring her sister for paid sex). I tried very hard to arrange a meeting. Unfortunately, the sisters and I were both so busy, we never managed to meet.

Eventually the sisters also left Kiev for New Year before I can meet them.

Shitty luck. Kiev is really a place where dreams could come true.

Day 5-6.

It was the highlight of my trip.

Via connections of a friend's friend, I met a 19 years old non pro girl. She is completely my type: blue eye, small and cute. She is also skinny, no extra fat found on her waist.

I kept her for 2 days. And I was in heaven (she is definitely an angel in heaven with angelic face and cute body). Absolutely best 2 days in my mongering life (OK, sound dramatic, but tbh, I don't monger a lot, so, no comparison LOL).

I was so in love with her, I lost my cool. That was not good. As discussed a lot on this forum, Ukrainian women expect the men to be the master and in control. I was obviously losing myself a bit too much in front of her.

It was an ultimate GFE. We spent the whole day together. We walked through shopping malls, night market and main street in Kiev, holding hand all the time like a couple. Sometime she is tired from walking, but she never showed me any bitchy face. She is not spoiled like most of the pro, but is usually cheerful and bright. If I would know Russian better or she know English better, I am sure we will talk so much.

With her, I had the best GF sex in my life. She does not know all these skills about riding, BJ or whatever, but she is not spoiled and very sensitive. That's what I love about non-pro girls. I loved to admire her flawless skin, kiss her neck, run my fingers lightly from her neck to her belly. Every slight touch made her twist her body. I also loved to eat her pussy, without worrying that she may have some virus or something. Needless to say, she moaned and twisted while being eaten. I pinned her down gently with my arms and enjoyed the great meals. We would kiss deeply and passionately after cunnilingus before I went into her. Sex lasted very long, it must be close to an hour if not more, I just don't want it to end at all. During sex, I kept admiring her face and body under me and I would forget to cum. If she lets me, I would go on much longer After an hour, she begged me to stop, saying that she had orgasms already and cannot take it anymore. She was obviously tired, and her cheeks turn completely red. That blush on her white skin is so cute and so priceless.

For privacy reasons, details about this girl, price, name etc will not be given, don't bother to ask. I can only say that she absolutely stole my heart.

Last day.

My angel left me to go back to her family. Her mom kept calling everyday and is understandably worried.

After those 2 days, I felt uneasy being alone in the empty apartment. In desperation, I texted everyone online on mamba LOL.

I chatted up with a girl (she was not asking for sponsor or sex on her profile) for 2 hours. After a while, she slightly hinted that she needs money for the new year. I got quite interested, she is obviously not a pro (no pro will not talk to you about random things in life for 2 hours). I invited her for a late dinner in the city, paid for her taxi, food and a very small tips to her for her time. She was fun to chat with and a cute blonde girl. She looks 22-24 years old, but she is in fact barely 19 (birthday soon, I saw her ID). She is tall, maybe that's why she looks more mature. We spent like 2 hours in the restaurant, talking about her hometown, youtube channel and random stuffs. Her English was extremely good and she is highly educated. So many Ukrainian girls are pretty, smart and educated, they would be stars if they were not born in Ukraine. I do feel bad for them. She mentioned her rent, unexpected expenditure in recently months and she needs money. I kept quiet during dinner, but offered her to come to my place for 4000 UAH. I did not mention sex, but I guess it was obvious. She refused, citing she was tired and wanted to go home. I was really disappointed and I am at this moment still not sure what she was looking for. Maybe she does not like me, but then she still chatted with me afterward and sent me photos. Maybe she was not ready for this, but what's the point to mention her financial problem? To be honest, I do not regret the money I spent at all. It was a nice dinner and I enjoyed her company a lot. Yet, I do regret the time I spent. Time in Kiev is as valuable as gold. In hindsight, I should have invited her to my place right at the beginning, just for a drink. There might be less psychological barrier for her to stay afterward. It was my last day, I would not have time to work on her. It was probably my mistake to invite her to a restaurant.

When I reached my place, it was already 2 am. I asked a random pro girl on mamba to come for an hour. 2000 UAH. She was almost sleeping already, very nice of her to get ready and came. She was nice and did whatever I asked for. But after the past 2 days, nothing seems interesting anymore. I finished in 20 minutes and sent her off.

Conclusion.

All in all, I really like Ukrainian girls. Not only for sex. I wasted a lot of time on badoo and tinder also, I ended up chatting with a lot of girls who did not want to meet for sex. Yet, they are still friendly and interested in talking to you. In US, where do you find cute girls who are interested in talking to guys a decade older than them, and not even handsome or sth? If you are not Turkish or Arab, you may also find Ukrainian girls very approachable. If you are Arabic and get offended, you should ask what your country man are doing to these Ukrainian girls to make you a bad name. I have heard stories from multiple girls, I cannot believe that they are all fake.

I only meet mostly 1 girl a day and I like to repeat girls when I like them. Turned out, I have more girls I want to meet on mamba than time allows me to.

And I have not even tried pub, street actions or massage girls! I feel like for very-slow people like me, even 1 month in Kiev would not be enough time. If you are into girls who have pro skills or maybe great diversity of girls per day, my experience is not applicable to you.

Whether Kiev will be a good mongering place for you or not, primarily depends on your personal interest (good if you are very into semi-pro white girl, may not worth flying all the way to Kiev if you just want the pro). Then it also depends how much time you want to invest (you can spend more time sending messages on mamba than the real sex). Last and maybe the least, it comes to the duration of your stay, money you can spare and your look and interpersonal skills (You make yourself a more attractive sponsor if you stay long and have more $ to invest, you get more hits on tinder if you look good.). Luck definitely plays a big role also. Sex industry is not organised like in Germany or S. America, results are relatively unpredictable in Kiev from the money and time you invest. You will need some luck for a gem.

Don't be surprised if someone love Kiev and you hate it, or vice versa. It is a personal and unique experience for different person.

For me, Kiev was a heaven. I was in love with the city and the people, it breaks my heart that I had to leave.

Thanks so much for those of you who helped me and answered my questions here.

I may stay away from ISG for a while, especially the Kiev forum, to get back to normal life.

Happy New Year again.

I wish you guys all the success in Kiev!

[QUOTE=KY694;2123289]

Conclusion.

All in all, I really like Ukrainian girls. Not only for sex. I wasted a lot of time on badoo and tinder also, I ended up chatting with a lot of girls who did not want to meet for sex. Yet, they are still friendly and interested in talking to you. In US, where do you find cute girls who are interested in talking to guys a decade older than them, and not even handsome or sth? If you are not Turkish or Arab, you may also find Ukrainian girls very approachable. If you are Arabic and get offended, you should ask what your country man are doing to these Ukrainian girls to make you a bad name. I have heard stories from multiple girls, I cannot believe that they are all fake.

I only meet mostly 1 girl a day and I like to repeat girls when I like them. Turned out, I have more girls I want to meet on mamba than time allows me to.

And I have not even tried pub, street actions or massage girls! I feel like for very-slow people like me, even 1 month in Kiev would not be enough time. If you are into girls who have pro skills or maybe great diversity of girls per day, my experience is not applicable to you..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KY694;2123407]Thanks so much for those of you who helped me and answered my questions here.

I may stay away from ISG for a while, especially the Kiev forum, to get back to normal life.

Happy New Year again.

I wish you guys all the success in Kiev![/QUOTE]You did Kiev the right way, and reaped your just rewards. Well done.

You are clearly being exploited. Any sort of full time job in Sumy for any girl with no marketable skills would never pay even $300 USD. Why are you even negotiating in a foreign currency? She should be happy to hang out with you for a day, eat at a nice restaurant, and willing to repay you in the only way she can. Well, unless you are old fat and ugly, of course, in which case you should pay her no more than 500 UAH per session.

[QUOTE=Tomek123;2118510]I'm a little puzzled. I found this young talent. I'm looking for a permanent sponsor. Her conditions are 1,000 dollars a month and, if possible, presents and elements of secular life or she wants $ 200 a day and a night together. She lives in the city of Sumy. 18 years old, student girl. It is so not on time. I have big expenses now related to my ex-wife and payments for the child. (This stupid woman (ex-wife) wants to make me a beggar) .

She young lady can leave Sumy but not for long because she is studying at the university. But this is generally not very much. (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex).

[URL]http://gia.la/girl/ksusha4[/URL].[/QUOTE]

Actually, I noticed a few starting at 4500 UAH (only 160 USD, as of today). I also think that the are very nice, well, maybe "average" for Kiev. The advantage is that unlike other web sites, in GIA you get the actual girl in the photos. By the way, did anyone try out Svetlana? Yes, I know she is old, but I would like to have a sexy older blonde, if the service is good and she still looks as good as her photos.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2120493]GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, that is what experience has taught me too. My best experiences have been in the 1000 to 2000 UAH range. Anyone who charges 5000 UAH only has to work 2 hours per month, so it is unlikely that they will even try to do a good job. By the way, relating to other posts about Gia, agency girls give about half to the house, which should give you a guide to the real price for independents.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2121800]You said it yourself: Holidays! Supply-demand ratio on the market is not in your favor.

You are also correct in stating that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean significantly better. IMHO, here is what it means: if you take 10 girls, your chances for enjoyment might be somewhat higher, but not proportionally to the cost. 1500 UAH is better than 800 for sure, however 1500,1800, 1900,2000- are all the same. 3000-5000 may have more expensive clothes, manicure + iPhone X. And poor performance, as they may not be interested in repeat customer, - quite often more expensive ones are interested in ditching the trick as quick as possible in order to get to fishing again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KY694;2123285]...2200 UAH for an hour. Prices vary depending on the agencies, but I heard that 2200 UAH girl are basically the same as 2000 UAH. Small price difference does not guarantee better quality.

I asked for 3 girls for me to choose 1. Turned out they thought there were 2 men and we would take 2 out of 3 or something.

When I said I only want 1, at first they were confused and then annoyed.

The dispatcher probably woke them up at 2 am and made them get ready for me.

In hindsight, I should have given some tips to the girls I sent back. The girl I picked was upset because I made her friends unhappy. It is better to stay at girls' good side.

Out of the 3, only one of them I found cute (the one I picked) 7-8/10, the other 2 were fairly average 5/10, not worth 2200 UAH...[/QUOTE]Quality of 2200 is more or less the same as 1500-1900 UAH. 2200 is either Holidays rate hike, or surcharge for English-speaking customer. Consolidating portal dispatchers always probe and test. How much can you pay on the average? - they negotiate with you, and with their business partners / suppliers.

Give 100 UAH taxi money to those departing. That's it- no tips, nothing else. You don't give tips in the grocery store for looking at the milk and honey, delivered in the hope someone will buy. Same here. Warn the dispatcher beforehand, that you are the only one at your residence, and you need 2 or 3 to choose from. Better stay on a good side of dispatchers. There are always new call girls. Be respectful and polite, but nothing beyond that.

Awesome report! IMHO should be placed into reports of distinction. What a great trip indeed!