Manila

Re Sabang: Big Apple. Sabang central. Good place to sit & peruse. Food for me ok. Shithole is a bit rough IMO. We've all been in worse. Don't book before you go. See what's available when you get there dive wise. Negotiate one against another when you are there- best deal wins or one you feel most comfortable with.

GFE will be your biggest hassle. Not all bars are created equal. Not that many doable FL ers around when I was there. You WILL have to pay for quality GFE. But negotiate with girl for extended rental. Keep eye out during the day for pre work and post work WG sessions. Why pay 4000 when you can get for 2000. Need to get into the habit of interviewing and negotiating. Just do it. Lay down the ground rules and expected behaviours. Be prepared to walk if you get negative feedback. There are PLENTY.

Re Burgos / Manila. Let Wechat etc be your friend. Not a fan of dating sites. A lot changes in a day. Sit in a cafe. They come to you- you interview and negotiate.

Re money. When you get to 80 would you rather have an extra 50 k in your bank account or great memories of the hot 19 year olds that you fucked in the Philippines? (Now 50 k US = 2,500,000 peso = 625 bar fines at 4000 peso each LOL).

NI.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.[/QUOTE]Life is a game and there are no guarantees. I had one former lovely 24 year old that after a few months discovered that she had Hep be since birth. Fortunately I had previously had a full Hep be vac course.

As a regular Filipina fucker for many years I was always using a condom until one girl convinced me that if I was serious on her, then it's without a condom. She already had one child and she was meticulously taking contraception pill. Was with her for two+ years.

As disciplined as I try to be, it is just so much better going BB with a trusted partner.

During my time in Ph I had 2 rounds of STI which were cured on home soil, 1 time was my straying, the 2nd time as my 'trusted' partner playing away from home.

Of greatest concern for me would be contraception.

PP.

Run fast and run far.

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom.

Si.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Si6798;2375395]Guys,

Need some suggestions and help.

Through PL I have met a person and going steady with her. She's had multiple relationships in the past and didn't work out for various reasons.

We have had sex and I always use a condom. Now she's insisting that we should have sex without condom. I don't know whether it's worth the risk, and wondering how to proceed. She's separated not legally and has children. Are there strict rules on having intimate relationship with married women. What should I be prepared for?

Really appreciate response / advice.

Si.[/QUOTE]Comes down to your judgement call. If she truly is just a regular mom then I would say risk of contracting something is manageable. But I would never go bareback with a working girl, not worth it for me. But there are tons of mongerers who frequently or exclusively play bareback. And also the more reprehensible ones who coerce their girls (often uneducated on the risks) into doing it with them.

Think about it this way, do you really want to be sharing a girl bareback with one of those bareback allstars who has himself pounded over a hundred working girls? With 6 degrees of separation you can bet your last dime somewhere along the line there is HIV and though the risk of transmission from one interaction is low, ask yourself if its worth it.

[QUOTE=Abhi9;2375145]5. What is the possibility of getting a decent looking freelancer below 30 yrs of age and making her stay with me for 3-4 days at a lesser price. I am not a variety seeking person. If a decent looking hygienic girl can give me a good GFE, I won't mind repeating her for a few days. I am stressing on this because I am currently inexperienced in picking girls through GOGO's. I am quite presentable and certainly not a cheap charlie but no past GOGO experience that's all.[/QUOTE]Don't do this. You will form an attachment and start sending her money once you go home. I speak from experience. Men are weak, men are idiots.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375158]That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E. Let me call them and inquire once again. Also as ED mentioned, I will try and keep an extra day just to roam around and checkout the dive shops.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2375256]The 4 k barfine is actually 2 k barfine payable before leaving and 2 k tip paid to the girl after finished. As a new face, you will be asked but do not pay the full 4 k upfront. This is generally LT but agree with the girl on services and time before leaving. Most are pretty good on not trying to do a one pop runner but it does happen, more so in the K (or now Chinese) dominated bars.

Freelancers come and go depending on the local attitudes. There are regular sweeps which clear the FLsNo need to be nervous about the GoGo process. It's very simple. Just walk in, sit down and order a drink. If you see or are offered a girl (s) you like then you can by her a lady drink and talk a little to see if you are comparable. There is no need to buy all her friends drinks. If you like her, pay 2 k to release her from the bar then another 2 k after you have finished in your room. Don't feel like you are under pressure. It perfectly acceptable to not buy any LDs if you don't see anyone you like or buy a LD and then not bar fine if you don't want to take it further. For your first night you might want to have a drink in every bar just to get the vibe of the place and see which bar (s) you like the best. You could easily cover every bar in Sabang in a couple o
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I would avoid staying at Big Apple. But as you mentioned, it might be a good place to sit around for drinks and look out for potential FLs. I might want to choose a better place to stay and dive. Also thanks for giving me confidence on GOGOs. Looks like this is an experience I must have. I will try in Sabang as well as in Manilla. Hope to beat some Koreans to find a stunner LOL. But yes will go easy and display confidence. That newbie look gets you conned most of the times.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2375275] tition from cashed up Koreans is crap.Why maybe my last trip. Partly judging hassle of getting there, judging perf vs money (other places are much cheaper) and been there done that. Doing a Manila- Angeles. Sabang - Manila ( Burgos ) trip in Dec so stay tuned for lengthy reports. Unfort in Sabang if you are not diving not much to do. I mean young guys can fuck all day. I can't. LOL.[/QUOTE]Looking forward for some crazy reports from your end NI. I would do the same once I finish my trip. I love to write descriptive reports. Thanks to all the folks who shared their valuable inputs.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2375331]Please send us a report and some pictures of the new shitfarm. It might have been commissioned by the time you go. I'm very interested.[/QUOTE]Definitely ED. Will try and share as many reports and images as possible.

What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?

Can anyone with experience at Flight 168 let me know if it is worth getting the more expensive room in Flight 168?

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376037]Can anyone with experience at Flight 168 let me know if it is worth getting the more expensive room in Flight 168?[/QUOTE]Haven't been there in a while but generally not worth the extra, but that is just an opinion and opinions are like assholes.

Everyone has at least one and some stink more than others.

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376027]What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?[/QUOTE]Sammi: PM me, I might have some insight for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2375158]That is typical for dive shops, resorts, and hotels in the Philippines. You may have to call them. I booked a shop in Bohol some years ago. When I got there they did not have my reservation. I showed them a copy of all the emails back and forth of me telling them what kind of room I wanted and what dives I wanted to do. They sent me back the price and I said okay. The fucking ladyboy said I did not RECONFIRM. I asked what kind of bullshit is that? How many times do we have to go back and forth about me wanting a room and to dive with your shop? Too many times it is just pure incompetence in that country.

....[/QUOTE]In more than 20 years of diving, that is the norm for dive shops everywhere, here is a little worse. You have to ask them many times to get a straight answer on when a dive trip is scheduled, customer service is universally poor.

It might be that they rely on tourist business where there is not always a lot of repeat customers and always a supply of new potential customers, but I think it is because dive shops are usually run by people with a few thousand dives and on some of these they may have run a little low on oxygen.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2376314]
It might be that they rely on tourist business where there is not always a lot of repeat customers and always a supply of new potential customers, but I think it is because dive shops are usually run by people with a few thousand dives and on some of these they may have run a little low on oxygen.[/QUOTE]I know many professional dive shops. BUT, I know more that are little more than slave labour camps for unknowing backpackers or a social experiment by guys that enjoy the sea and think it would be a great way to lay back and get paid for their hobby (like the alcoholic who thinks it's a great idea to set up a bar in AC / Patts).

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammi00;2376027]What's the consensus on girls roaming around Burgos offering cheap massages for 500 p? I saw them around last night but hesitated because the price is so cheap. Are they safe?[/QUOTE]Def safe but they will want more money for more services. DO the deal before you go with the. Most will come to your room but some otels like Makati palace won't let the uniformed ones come in. They can change clothes usually. If you go with the, you will find yourself behind a curtained cubicle and they will take everything off or do whatever you want for the agreed price. If you even get a hint that they are a ladyboy avoid them like the plague. They will pinch your money, rip you off or worse (like show you their dick).

Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?

[QUOTE=Radian;2376615]Are there any places in Manila with good looking girls that have rooms on site? I'm staying at City Garden which is right next to Burgos so I should probably just bring the girl back here but I'm a bit precious about the hotel staff and the other people in the lobby. CGG seems to always have people milling about the lobby and they have the slowest lifts that make you wait ages for them!

All I've heard about from reading is Amazonia, which appears to be closed now?[/QUOTE]No one cares about you being with any number of girls, after all that is why everyone is there. The hotels around burgos would go out of business except for mongers.