Angeles City

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1799965]The relationship between mongers and Angeles City is like an abusive marriage. Angeles beats the crap out of mongers, takes their money, and lets them down but they keep going back to her hoping she will change. But she only demands more money in return for dishing out more abuse. She knows that she is the best thing around and mongers will complain, pout, protest, and even runaway for a while but when they get that itch they'll come back for her to scratch it.[/QUOTE]Excellent comparison. I love the parallels drawn here. And like in abusive marriages, there is always someone you are seeing on the side (Thailand).

WOW! I KNEW that others were as interested as I in whether I got laid! Talk about performance anxiety! Thanks a lot!

When last seen I was trying to pack a shipping container of stuff into the closet safe. I even pondered figuring out how to re-enable my laptop's camera to use for surveillance. I was running scared.

The night came and went. Our agreed upon tryst time was 2 PM to ensure I would be in my new room and some family of four just checking out didn't get a surprise. "Honey, take the kids down to the car. I got to check one last thing in the room. ".

Around noon I got a text asking is all was still okay. Yes, we were still on. At quarter to two a text popped up. She was going to be late. How about 2:30? Fine.

Then the flood started. I got or sent a total of forty three texts, some of them, I think, intended for someone else. I had bought a 100 pesos load even though there was a 30 pesos one available. Good thing: I would have run out of credit two thirds of the way through the deluge. There were room verifications, another offer for two girls to be refused, time updates (still 2:30) and queries about paying the trike fare. The last subject was sort of funny: I asked how much. She replied 250 p because it was really far. Yeah, right. But I agreed – it wasn't going to break me. So, with that knowledge she presumably flagged a trike and headed my way. And less than five minutes later I got the last text: "I'm here", followed by a call from the front desk. Yeah – really far!

In the middle of those texts was one which used the word "wee" when one would have expected "I", so I had a suspicion. Sure enough, the elevator opened and there were two girls in it, and the second looked really familiar: Miss Painted Ass from two days ago. I guess that, like in Massage Girl Talk, "no" means something entirely different from conventional English usage. I didn't fight it, but I did get a jab in: I said that I barely had enough to cover the two, but I did have the extra because I was planning on tipping Miss Shy above and beyond the agreed upon price (which I had, contingent on good service, though I was certainly not planning to tip her as much as I said), so she was aware that she was going to make less money that she would have if she had come solo, so she would have to negotiate with Painted Ass about that.

So that was another red flag: Deception. But despite a virtual forest of those flags a weird thing happened: They turned out to be borderline GFE and honest to the point of asking permission to open minibar items even after I offered drinks from there.

The shower-together thing did not even have to be negotiated: They initiated it, though there was an oddity about it: Shower together turned out to mean "Shower with Painted Ass while the original target spent almost the entire shower time pissing on the toilet and rinsing the hell out of her coochie with the sprayer. " She was sitting there for five minutes. Did I really want anything to do with something that took that much cleaning?

Things moved to the bed. Both sucked (in the good way), though not at the same time, (so not in the really good way). Basic average BBBJ's, especially disappointing after my discovery of the Tongue From Heaven at the Black Pearl. They suggested boom-boom. I said that we could give it shot, though my little guy's aversion to condoms bode ill for the attempt. Painted Ass handled the boys as her friend mounted.

It actually worked pretty well, which I attribute equally to her hotness and my first experience with Trojan Magnums. No, they aren't as incredibly thin as the Okamoto products, but they also don't feel like they are trying to pack a bratwurst into a Vienna Sausage casing. Okay, that is not really an accurate description of the situation: It should have started with Vienna Sausage and compared it to something smaller, but a smaller item escapes me right now. In other words, I'm not swinging major wurst down there, but the Okamotos are still tight.

The problem was that since I had somehow ended up with two girls, I was expected to boom-boom each of them and (a) Painted Ass was not as appealing bouncing up and down (thank God she didn't go for reverse cowgirl) and (b) I had only left out one Magnum (the experiment) along with a couple of Okamotos. So both pluses of the first rider became minuses of the second. With the Okamoto things went limp fast. No problem: There was some mouth-to-something else resuscitation and things stood back to attention. I could have dug out some more Magnums but rather fancy hand and mouth action, even if not as expertly conducted as in my awesome Black Pearling of a few nights earlier. So for the next fifteen or twenty minutes there was great attention paid to my member as various female parts were tended to by my hands and mouth. A satisfactory ending ensued and it was shower time again.

They tarried for a little bit, sipping from the minibar and chatting a little. Chatting was not their strong suit. In fact, I think that one of the reasons for the insistence on two girls was that Painted Ass pretty much had to translate, and even her English was marginal. She did enjoy my sex video, though, probably because after actual sex with me anything else, including sex during a root canal operation, would seem f*cking fantastic. I should clarify that I was not actually in the video: It was two flying squirrels shot by my security cameras. I would need a much wider angle lens if I were starring.

After they left something got clarified: As I tidied up I found, in addition to various condoms and wrappers, one of the hotel's complimentary razors. The little fox had NOT been peeing and cleaning: She had been shaving down there. I'm not really into the whole [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] thing so I wasn't staring intently, or I might have offered to help. Damn!

That more or less concluded the festivities for this visit. There was a bit of collect in advance karma when I lost the SIM card for my phone after putting it in a really good place when I installed the Philippine one. I realized it was lost after changing rooms. As I went out for food I asked at the desk if it had been turned in even though I knew the answer: The maid was quite aware of my room change and would have known to bring it to me. No, it had not been found. The desk woman said the maid would go look. "Excuse me, Sir, would you mind getting off of those hookers for a moment so I can look for a SIM card?

Holy shit! She found it! My guess is that the next guest was coming in on a night flight, so the room was undisturbed and searchable. The SIM was where I sort of remembered putting it: In the safe. I had it there not for safety but because it would stand out against the carpeting in it. Apparently it did not do that so well. I tipped the crap out of the maid, so she got well compensated for not doing a very thorough cleaning job in the first place.

The karma? Twenty four hours later at the Seattle airport I came across a phone sitting on a bench and turned it in to the authorities.

So that was the trip: No 20th floor skydiving for me: I got laid one more time than I did last visit, plus there were the Black Pearl activities. Was I getting laid hourly? No, but I do enjoy AC, though it is a distant third for me after a tie between Bangkok and Pattaya. I've only been to Subic to dive with dolphins but I believe I'll take Mr. Bumpo's suggestion and give it a whirl next time. I loathe Manila so much that I can't see trying there despite the reported hotness available.

I should probably reverse my usual Thailand-then-Philippines flow due to my preference for the former so I don't find myself with vivid memories of the previous stop and finding the present lacking. I should also bring the seat cushion equivalent of spike strips to deploy on either side of me to ward off massage girls and waitresses.

I don't even think about the costs in my comparisons of the two as I generally overpay, anyway. It all has to do with mongering preferences. As noted, I not only do not seek GFE, I actually sort of avoid it. I'm one of Sxxxx's "slam, bam, thank you mam" guys. GFE (versus PSE, not saying that it is universal) rules in the Phils, but there is enough other action available to draw me. On the other hand, if you just want wild sex, possibly involving some licking where the sun don't shine, I find that Thailand has the edge with oilies and the like. It never took me three days to end up in bed with two young things there, but remember that I rarely BF so I cannot honestly compare that: My ineptness could have easily led to that fiasco in Thailand as well.

It is 0°F outside. Suddenly all that sweating of the last few weeks doesn't seem as bad as it did at the time.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1799965]The relationship between mongers and Angeles City is like an abusive marriage. Angeles beats the crap out of mongers, takes their money, and lets them down but they keep going back to her hoping she will change. But she only demands more money in return for dishing out more abuse. She knows that she is the best thing around and mongers will complain, pout, protest, and even runaway for a while but when they get that itch they'll come back for her to scratch it.[/QUOTE]I agree however I believe marriage is more like a beleaguered fortress. Those who are outside are trying to get in and those who are inside are trying to get out. The beauty of this dirty little town is there is no pretense. You plunk down your cash, spray your load and move on. What you see is what you get and hopefully no more. We mongers are like the Swallow Birds of San Juan Capistrano. We always come back and we always will.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1800256]Agree 100% with deteriorating girl attitudes in angeles bars.

What I find is that it can get mighty frustrating having to visit multiple angeles bars to find any young. Attractive, slim girls that will want to barfine, most are happy to stay in their bar getting salary and large commission on double ladies drinks and not accepting barfines.

Throw in that there is a very high chance that that bargirl you see dancing on stage is a cherry girl, virgin and the chase to get laid in angeles city becomes even more difficult.

I throw the blame for both these senarios squarly on the bar owners and mamas shoulders who turn a blind eye to drink only girls and employ virgins in establishments that are designed to get laid.

Give the bargirls a quota number of barfines they need to make per month in order to claim salary, lower the large commission the girls receive from lady drinks making it more profitable for girls to barfine than to stay in the bar.

I won't hold my breath waiting for any changes.

Subic is a nice change of scenery from angeles and the girls have a better attitude, the main problem with subic is the choice of good looking slim girls is even worse than angeles[/QUOTE]Bar owners and mamasans are powerless when it comes to the girls' decision to accept bar fines or not. After the period of frequent raids and IJM infiltration of the bars, many establishments took a hands-off approach to management. The bar girls know that they do not have to go out with a customer if they do not want to for any reason. Implementing policies that penalize girls who do not bar fine could be interpreted as coercion, and the bar owner may as well drop his drawers, grab his heels and invite IJM to have a go at him sans lube. There is simply not any incentive for the bar owners and the mamasans to expose themselves to this sort of liability. Some mamasans are so skittish that they now refer all customer inquiries regarding possibility of bar fine and compensation to the particular girl in question stating that it is up to the girl. This means customer satisfaction, or dissatisfaction now rests solely in the hands of the girl.

The bar cannot refuse employment based on virginity because: It would be tantamount to an admission that fucking customers is part of the job requirements; It is difficult to determine this status for job applicants; It would be scandalous if this became public knowledge; It invites legal liabilities; and it may exclude more attractive girls.

Pretty slim shapely Filipinas 18-21 yrs old receive lots of interest from many suitors, especially if they are virgins. If she is a virgin at that age it means that she likely came from a relatively conservative family and she was closely watched. Her family may have rejected a number of local suitors who came looking to court her. These girls are not looking to give up their precious cherry for regular bar fine or interested in being rooted by all and sundry. Some of the hottest ones even refuse cherry bids as high as P100,000 because they are holding out for nothing less than a foreign husband. Some even want the foreign husband to be someone they can have real physical attraction and feelings for. They are contented with receiving salary and drink commissions while they work the internet and wait for their Prince Charming to ride in.

So, the bars are designed to help you get laid, but they are not designed to guarantee you get laid. If you're going after 18 and 19 yr olds with smooth fair skin, doe eyes, good teeth, tall, busty, small waist, wide hips, long legs, round butt, and sculpted abdomen be prepared for rejection. These girls are at peak demand, and can afford to pick and choose their sponsors. The veterans will tell them that much if they haven't figured it out from the attention they get on the street, in the bar, and on the dating and social networking sites. Technology has made it possible for a stunners to spend their time off chatting multiple lonely virtual boyfriends in Europe, North America, and Australia who willingly send them regular cash allowances via Western Union with no intention of ever actually visiting the Philippines. Their attitudes are just a reflection of these circumstances. Going bar fine with a stranger who is probably doped up on a Viagra-Redbull-Zinc cocktail and looking to pound their puss bareback from midnight to well after sunrise for P1,500 – P2,000 just is not that appealing compared to the alternatives.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1800065]Guys, I am sure there are still great girls in AC, but I noticed the deterioration in overall attitudes the last time I was in AC too. I think you can trace the beginning of the change to the year of the raids. Anyway this is one of the reasons why I prefer Barrio Barretto over AC nowadays. I have never encountered a poor attitude bar girl in Subic. Yes Barretto has less bars and less girls, but there are more than enough to satisfy my needs for 4 or 5 days. In addition, Baloy Beach and Barrio Barreto has a more resort feel than AC (Fields and Perimeter Road) and I like being on a beach with the sea breeze. Check it out is all I am saying.

I also really like Manila, specifically a few bars on Burgos Street and in the EDSA Entertainment Complex. The bars here are significantly more expensive than AC bars, that's the downside, but the girls are great as in good selection of pretties, great attitudes, and quality service. Thus I prefer Manila girls over AC girls and I skipped AC on my last two trips to the PI and plan to do so again on my next trip in 2016.[/QUOTE]I am glad this is finally being talked about on the boards. I couldn't agree more about what everyone is saying on here. I think this has been the great un talked about secrete of AC for a long time. Girls with bad attitudes, girls that don't bar fine, they way you have to almost bag and pled to get a girl to let you bar fine her. I have never in my life been to a hooker destination where the girls tell me they are on mens. On my last trip to AC I swear I was going to check myself in for a scientific study because I seemed to have this uncanny ability to bring on ministration in just about every bar girl I tried to bar fine. I have not been back in almost two year because of the attitude and rejection. Among the local mongers I talk with we all call Angeles City Rejection City or just call it RC for short because about half or more of the girls you try to take are going to shoot you down and some are going to be quite rude and cold about it.

I couldn't agree more about Manila I have not been back to Rejection City (Angeles City) in nearly two years but have been to Manila several times. Yes it is more expensive but yes there are also more super hotties available. The door girls at EDSA literally grab you and try to pull you into their bur which is very different from the Rejection City door girls who generally scowl at you give you dirty looks and run away if you try to talk to them.

Kudos to every one on here for telling the truth about what the Rejection City (angels city) experience is really like.

Chris

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1800065]Guys, I am sure there are still great girls in AC, but I noticed the deterioration in overall attitudes the last time I was in AC too.[/QUOTE]My attitude toward this is real simple. Yes, it's harder to find good girls these days, it takes longer, and it costs more. But once you do find one, they're as good as ever. Pattaya remains my favorite place for wham-bam commercial sex, but when I want something a little longer-term and more GF-like, AC still beats anywhere else I know.

I have it on good authority that this is all that's left of Oosik after his return to the US.

[QUOTE=JoshInyu;1800784]I have it on good authority that this is all that's left of Oosik after his return to the US.[/QUOTE](checks quickly) I'll see you in court! I don't have any spots! Well, not this time. Of course I've only been gone a couple of days!

[QUOTE=Oosik;1800794](checks quickly) I'll see you in court! I don't have any spots! Well, not this time. Of course I've only been gone a couple of days![/QUOTE]Good report BTW, nicely written and entertaining (meant earlier report about your encounter with the painted ass and her friend).

Ding. I read this and it all makes a lot more sense. Thanks CM.

I usually SNIP, but this post is so good I won't. Only one quibble. When you write "Prince charming", you might have written "future ex-husband".

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1800722]Bar owners and mamasans are powerless when it comes to the girls' decision to accept bar fines or not. After the period of frequent raids and IJM infiltration of the bars, many establishments took a hands-off approach to management. The bar girls know that they do not have to go out with a customer if they do not want to for any reason. Implementing policies that penalize girls who do not bar fine could be interpreted as coercion, and the bar owner may as well drop his drawers, grab his heels and invite IJM to have a go at him sans lube. There is simply not any incentive for the bar owners and the mamasans to expose themselves to this sort of liability. Some mamasans are so skittish that they now refer all customer inquiries regarding possibility of bar fine and compensation to the particular girl in question stating that it is up to the girl. This means customer satisfaction, or dissatisfaction now rests solely in the hands of the girl.

The bar cannot refuse employment based on virginity because: It would be tantamount to an admission that fucking customers is part of the job requirements; It is difficult to determine this status for job applicants; It would be scandalous if this became public knowledge; It invites legal liabilities; and it may exclude more attractive girls.

Pretty slim shapely Filipinas 18-21 yrs old receive lots of interest from many suitors, especially if they are virgins. If she is a virgin at that age it means that she likely came from a relatively conservative family and she was closely watched. Her family may have rejected a number of local suitors who came looking to court her. These girls are not looking to give up their precious cherry for regular bar fine or interested in being rooted by all and sundry. Some of the hottest ones even refuse cherry bids as high as P100,000 because they are holding out for nothing less than a foreign husband. Some even want the foreign husband to be someone they can have real physical attraction and feelings for. They are contented with receiving salary and drink commissions while they work the internet and wait for their Prince Charming to ride in.

So, the bars are designed to help you get laid, but they are not designed to guarantee you get laid. If you're going after 18 and 19 yr olds with smooth fair skin, doe eyes, good teeth, tall, busty, small waist, wide hips, long legs, round butt, and sculpted abdomen be prepared for rejection. These girls are at peak demand, and can afford to pick and choose their sponsors. The veterans will tell them that much if they haven't figured it out from the attention they get on the street, in the bar, and on the dating and social networking sites. Technology has made it possible for a stunners to spend their time off chatting multiple lonely virtual boyfriends in Europe, North America, and Australia who willingly send them regular cash allowances via Western Union with no intention of ever actually visiting the Philippines. Their attitudes are just a reflection of these circumstances. Going bar fine with a stranger who is probably doped up on a Viagra-Redbull-Zinc cocktail and looking to pound their puss bareback from midnight to well after sunrise for P1,500 P2,000 just is not that appealing compared to the alternatives.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1800722] ........................bar owners and the mamasans .............. Some mamasans are so skittish that they now refer all customer inquiries regarding possibility of bar fine and compensation to the particular girl in question stating that it is up to the girl. This means customer satisfaction, or dissatisfaction now rests solely in the hands of the girl. ............................................[/QUOTE]Well, that's good to know. Should result in less 'runners' and better attitudes from the customers. Too, don't you think.

Didn't know before they were forced to go with the guys.

Another ROD by Chocha.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1800722]Technology has made it possible for a stunners to spend their time off chatting multiple lonely virtual boyfriends in Europe, North America, and Australia who willingly send them regular cash allowances via Western Union with no intention of ever actually visiting the Philippines.[/QUOTE]It does not have to be a stunner. I have talked to many normal chicks online who have said they do not ask for money but have had guys virtually force it on them. And like you said, these guys don't even have any intention of going there. I hope that I am never that lonely.

There might be 5 stunners in the whole of AC, many cute 6's though.

Hi all,

I read several dozen pages of this forum, and used search. Indy's 6 day report was very helpful. But still a few remaining questions for a 1st time visitor to AC and PI:

1. Is it better to exchange cash via a regular bank or a money exchanger like Norma's?

2. Do the girls usually speak some English? Thing is if we do LT, I'd imagine it'd be quite boring between the sessions if she doesn't.

3. Is mid to end of Jan. A pretty good time to go? The climate seems to be very reasonable at this time.

TIA

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1800722]Bar owners and mamasans are powerless when it comes to the girls' decision to accept bar fines or not. After the period of frequent raids and IJM infiltration of the bars, many establishments took a hands-off approach to management. The bar girls know that they do not have to go out with a customer if they do not want to for any reason. Implementing policies that penalize girls who do not bar fine could be interpreted as coercion, and the bar owner may as well drop his drawers, grab his heels and invite IJM to have a go at him sans lube. There is simply not any incentive for the bar owners and the mamasans to expose themselves to this sort of liability. Some mamasans are so skittish that they now refer all customer inquiries regarding possibility of bar fine and compensation to the particular girl in question stating that it is up to the girl. This means customer satisfaction, or dissatisfaction now rests solely in the hands of the girl.

The bar cannot refuse employment based on virginity because: It would be tantamount to an admission that fucking customers is part of the job requirements; It is difficult to determine this status for job applicants; It would be scandalous if this became public knowledge; It invites legal liabilities; and it may exclude more attractive girls.

Pretty slim shapely Filipinas 18-21 yrs old receive lots of interest from many suitors, especially if they are virgins. If she is a virgin at that age it means that she likely came from a relatively conservative family and she was closely watched. Her family may have rejected a number of local suitors who came looking to court her. These girls are not looking to give up their precious cherry for regular bar fine or interested in being rooted by all and sundry. Some of the hottest ones even refuse cherry bids as high as P100,000 because they are holding out for nothing less than a foreign husband. Some even want the foreign husband to be someone they can have real physical attraction and feelings for. They are contented with receiving salary and drink commissions while they work the internet and wait for their Prince Charming to ride in.

So, the bars are designed to help you get laid, but they are not designed to guarantee you get laid. If you're going after 18 and 19 yr olds with smooth fair skin, doe eyes, good teeth, tall, busty, small waist, wide hips, long legs, round butt, and sculpted abdomen be prepared for rejection. These girls are at peak demand, and can afford to pick and choose their sponsors. The veterans will tell them that much if they haven't figured it out from the attention they get on the street, in the bar, and on the dating and social networking sites. Technology has made it possible for a stunners to spend their time off chatting multiple lonely virtual boyfriends in Europe, North America, and Australia who willingly send them regular cash allowances via Western Union with no intention of ever actually visiting the Philippines. Their attitudes are just a reflection of these circumstances. Going bar fine with a stranger who is probably doped up on a Viagra-Redbull-Zinc cocktail and looking to pound their puss bareback from midnight to well after sunrise for P1,500 P2,000 just is not that appealing compared to the alternatives.[/QUOTE]Tell me something I did not already know chocha monger.

All the reasons you quote above are the exact reasons high season is upon us and angeles city bars are dead of customers.

As they say, you make your bed, you lie in it.

People fly half way around the world at great expense to get laid not to sit amongst very ordinary looking, mostly chubby girls that have no intention of barfining,

Thank goodness there are many other destinations where girls know what they are employed to do.

People have obviously voted with their feet.