Kyiv

[QUOTE=Riina;2128038]Just to be clear, hunting on K street is not a viable mongering option for most guys. If you are lucky enough to pull a girl off the street, don't mention money. These things can play out in different ways. I've been asked how much I would give if she came back to my apartment. At that point I asked if it was for sex. I brought back two sisters once from the street. Money was never mentioned. They knew I would give them something.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for the advice. I've been thinking about doing this for a long time and today is the day. It's snowing in Kiev now and it's a good romantic atmosphere for street actions LOL. I'll see what I will get.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2127818]Just a reminder to all gentlemen in this forum who is currently in Kiev or will be in future:

Be cautious of your personal belongings when walking around the city...[/QUOTE]One of the high-end providers mentioned that a much more substantial amount of cash has been stolen from her purse in a crowded public transportation. City bus. She certainly looked like a target. All dressed up and everything.

Do not carry more cash than you need for your next encounter, and be safe!

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2128111]One of the high-end providers mentioned that a much more substantial amount of cash has been stolen from her purse in a crowded public transportation. City bus. She certainly looked like a target. All dressed up and everything.

Do not carry more cash than you need for your next encounter, and be safe![/QUOTE]Thanks. Now I am more careful and don't carry a big amount of money when going out.

Just a thought: you might be better off spending a little more than 6 months there, so you can avoid being a "resident" of Canada" and paying high taxes.

[QUOTE=Bill1963;2127390]This is great if you have game.

I have perfected my skills and can pick up women in Canada.

I currently have 2 sugarbabies here that are 18 and 21 yrs old.

I get laid all the time and give very little allowance and just do things together like boyfriend girlfriend.

Both girls are smoking hot hard bodies and very nice looking.

I am 50 (but look 40 or under) and when in Ukraine a few years ago had 19 to 25 yr old women flirting with me.

Look good for you age, work out, and most important learn how to talk with women..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MagicSheep74;2127393]Completely correct, I have been chatting for several months with many Ukrainian girls who us the travel girls site. Some of them have shown me the actual offers that they get on a daily basis from multiple man. 5 star hotel in Paris for weekend, 2 days = 2000 euro given to them. She is a good looking girl, not model material, but attractive. The going rate for her better looking friend is 10000 euro a week in Dubai. Although she is gorgeous.

Many men from certain cultures have a complete obsession with Ukranian and Russian women, and in-turn through instgram and travel sites are offering them nonsense money.

I went to Kiev to see what the obsession was all about, and I did not find it. Its a carefully planned illusion due to the fact we are inundated with photoshop pictures everywhere we look, yes the women are tall, yes they wear high heel everywhere, yes, they spend hours getting ready, yes they are skinny, yes they have high cheek bones. These are the positives..[/QUOTE]We know there are many scams in Kiev, I wonder how those rich guy can prevent fraud on international travel.

I know this may seem hard to believe but over the recent holidays there wasn't very many girls working at the apartments. Many girls traveled home to be with their friends and family or simply just took time off from working. I did visit one apartment in particular that only had three ladies working. The female manager or administrator was surprisingly very attractive & after not selecting any of the available ladies, I jokingly asked if she was available. She hesitated at first but then responded if I waited an hour & she also quoted an additional 1000 uah that she could be available. I gave her my number and address and one hour later she showed up at my apartment in a taxi. We both showered, had a drink, and then straight to the bedroom, the sex was nothing short of spectacular, multiple positions, DFK, BBBJ. Before you know it, the hour was up & she asked me if I wanted to extend. It was late and I had to get up early the next morning so I declined, unfortunately I tried to meet up with her again later that week but she wasn't available or wasn't working. I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience!

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2127431]In many apartments I have visited, the female managers are actually much hotter then the working girls there, however they usually do not offer sex service. Any ideas about how to bed them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kobebryant2000;2128586]...I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience![/QUOTE]As Forrest Gump said: "Some people think miracles don't happen every day. But they do!

Definitely believe you. That's why Kiev is "like a box of chocolates- you never know what you going to get!

First of all you made her feel special and she was attracted to you, otherwise nothing would have happened. The rest is secondary- maybe she was available for extra 3-4 hours, maybe she needed extra cash for her boyfriend, maybe maybe maybe. Life is great!

[QUOTE=KingmaxXx;2128226]We know there are many scams in Kiev, I wonder how those rich guy can prevent fraud on international travel.[/QUOTE]There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.

[QUOTE=TeFab456;2128729]There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.[/QUOTE]Local transport is one scam, they may ask you for the money to apply for passport or Visa. I don't think they will come over if you give the money before arrival.

[QUOTE=Kobebryant2000;2128586]I know this may seem hard to believe but over the recent holidays there wasn't very many girls working at the apartments. Many girls traveled home to be with their friends and family or simply just took time off from working. I did visit one apartment in particular that only had three ladies working. The female manager or administrator was surprisingly very attractive & after not selecting any of the available ladies, I jokingly asked if she was available. She hesitated at first but then responded if I waited an hour & she also quoted an additional 1000 uah that she could be available. I gave her my number and address and one hour later she showed up at my apartment in a taxi. We both showered, had a drink, and then straight to the bedroom, the sex was nothing short of spectacular, multiple positions, DFK, BBBJ. Before you know it, the hour was up & she asked me if I wanted to extend. It was late and I had to get up early the next morning so I declined, unfortunately I tried to meet up with her again later that week but she wasn't available or wasn't working. I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience![/QUOTE]It seems that to deal with the hot managers you need to be insistent even if she declined you for the first few times. As long as she doesn't dislike you too much, there's a high chance that you would take her in your bed.

I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hello,

Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!

There is many well educated, nice looking, Ukraine Sex Machines who are not destroyed being a full time pro!

Look for those who are just doing it if they like you, and just maybe once a week or so.

I was once fucking one who was saving money for moving to the states.

It was superb! Like a real GFE.

Stay a away from the street pros. The good ones stay away from the street because they have a regular life with job and family!

Just my oppinion.

[QUOTE=Riina;2127739]The square in front of McDonalds is a gold mine. Girls wait there for their friends to get off the metro where you can approach and ask simple questions like if she's from Kiev. Generally speaking, prostitutes do not troll K street. But that doesn't stop normal girls from having it in the back of their mind that may want to fuck somebody if it feels right. Target the young girls that are likely to be naive of the sex scene. Their's plenty of girls always rolling into Kiev with no money and raging hormones.

I recently met a 22 year old student that just arrived from Russia two weeks ago in my home city. I was her second customer and her pussy was just soaking wet. That inclination to suck some older guys dick for money was probably cooking in her for years. Girls like this are all over Kiev. You just have to learn how to spot them and play your game.[/QUOTE]

Great advice, but I would stay away from K. Street. Shopping Centers, University and Metro Stations, other then K. Street.

You are correct about the funds, other guys claim $50-75, chances are very unlikely. Once you get to $100 chances greatly improve, especially if you are there for a short period of time.

[QUOTE=OlaOlsen;2128969]Hello,

Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!.[/QUOTE]

Seeking Arrangements is awesome, expensive. You might also to look at Russian girls, they are little easier to deal with, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2128956]I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

I got acquainted with some nice-looking girls, aged 18-23, through mamba. Some are outright professional and some are naive. At the beginning, they were very friendly and sensible. I agreed with each of them upon meeting in Kiev in a month or two, in exchange for $300 or so.

However, suddenly, many of them demanded that money (usually $100) be transferred to their credit card immediately, more than one month prior to the planned meeting. The rest incessantly demanded that VIP status (which costs just $5) or Profile Boost ($1) be give to them. I scattered VIP status and Profile Boost but I hesitated to send $100 more than 1 month before the meeting without any guarantee. Then almost all of the girls (pro and non-pro) became furious. They call me "greedy" or any imaginable four letter words.

Initially, I thought this was an attempted fraud. However, it seems to me that this is an emotional culture of Ukrainian girls, because some girls are obviously successful professional (persisting over one year in mamba), and because refusal of VIP status ($5) and refusal of $100 provokes a very identical emotional response. Many of them blocked my access, which does not make a financial sense in industrialized world, abandoning $300 for the sake of $5. This seems to relate to their sense of honor? Then we have to respect it.

Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?