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[QUOTE=Putero1;2883431]What are you paying then, if we might know?
So assuming you are paying around $1000 R / HR for tier 1 at Scandallo, you are paying $2-3000 R / HR ($400-600 USD / hour) for these Whatsapp girls?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2880508]The price is fixed in the clinicas and the house watches the clock and you usually pay the house when you leave.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Foolish;2880467]IMO, I would think about these things differently. This is Brazil, don't think of upselling for what you want. [/QUOTE]Thanks for your answers and here is my report.
I visited Yankin on Wednesday afternoon after receiving a Whatsapp reply that there are around 10 girls. The kind gentleman (likely the owner?) at the front desk could speak good English. Available girls were quickly presented one*by one while it was hard to remember who was who at the end (maybe because there was no real hottie for me to choose). The gentleman let me see the girls again by going to the girls' lounge with me. When I asked about extra services, the gentleman kindly answered that BBBJ are generally included as a part of classic*sex, while others, one of which was*CIM, may be done after reaching an agreement*or negotiating with the girl. Girls' appearances were a*bit disappointing but I picked one. Unfortunately, this girl denied BBBJ. Then I realized that I should have confirmed this (maybe in front*of the front desk gentleman) before going into the room. Just plain sex at 150/30 min and I did not feel like*extending. I paid for lessons.
I visited Tangara on*Sunday afternoon. Via WhatsApp they*sent*me photos of*around 6 or 7 girls that are*working. When I reached in front of this place, I was a bit confused. I could not find a house number or a parking lot indicating the place is in business. Just pushed a door bell next to a blue door after checking the google map street view. Only two girls were presented to me when I was on a seat. And I had to wait for 15 minutes to see the girl that I was interested in based on Whatsapp photos. Since more guys came in, I was a bit nervous and looked over the*girls' lounge. Actually the girl was there so I showed my interest. *This girl's attitude was as good as her appearance. 150/30 min including BBBJ.
I would visit Tangara again when I have a chance. Next time I would check the girls' lounge often. It seems that the staff does not always show available girls to me as soon as they are available.
As reported by Veja, Brasilian government defers date for visa requirements for US citizens, Canadians and Australians until April 10,2024.
[QUOTE=Parks292;2883205]SP is in my top 3 cities worldwide. I now spend a couple of months a year here. About half of the girls I meet are civilians (I'm probably a bit younger than most) and the other half aren't. SP really shines for regular civilians, I'm fluent in Portuguese which definitely helps.
For P4 P, I generally stick to Scandallo and have probably been there 100+ times over the last 2 years. I've found the other places underwhelming: Cafe Photo and Bomboa are just smaller worse versions. Casarao, while being mentioned often on this thread, is nothing to rave home about. Every city in South America has a Casarao like bar. While I consider Scandallo to probably be the best adult establishment worldwide now, its novelty has obviously died down for me and I'll also say I've noticed a bit of a decline in talent in the last year.
A note on Scandallo: I would say about 95% of its clientele are wealthier locals. Gringos represent a very small portion of its clients made up from the odd tourist or from this very board. In regards to price, I know 2 of the people who run the place and a couple of working girls who have become friends. I also have quite a few Brazilian friends who are regulars at the establishment, and know what they are paying and it's the same as me. In SP, there isn't much of a Gringo pricing mentality going on either which is refreshing. Pricing at Scandallo unofficially works by girls' tier: tier 1 has a pricing, tier 2 is lower and tier 3 is the lowest. You will not get a tier 1 girl for tier 3 pricing, since tier 1 girls will almost always be picked up, so if it isn't you, another client will accept.
The highest-end working girls I found in the city are via a whatsapp contact that works by referral that I was invited to (what some refer to as a pink book I think). Kinda funny, but I saw a few familiar faces in there that had no idea were P4 P. Prices were about 2-3 X Scandallo and girls were on average 1 notch above in looks. They had no issues providing all social media with most girls having pretty big followings. My experiences on there were great and reliable, but at this price point you're competing with top talent in 1st world countries.
Food: SP is a great city for a foodie. Aside from the known places which are mentioned a lot, here are a few hidden gems:
- Tan Tan: cool mixology bar for a date with Asian cuisine.
- Kan Suke: favorite omakase in the city. Prices recently jumped and the place looks like a dump or the back of a NYC deli but who cares when the sushi is this good.
- Sushiguen: casual Japanese cuisine, had the biggest shrimp tempura I have ever seen.
- Baru Marisqueria: seafood with a Brazilian twist.
- Casa Rios and Tordesilhas for upscale Brazilian food.
- Picchi: solid Italian place in the city.[/QUOTE]Picchi is very good, while Tordesilhas is an excellent choice if you want to try dishes from different regions from Brasil, both located nearby (Jardins). Another great place is Sal Gastronomia located in Higienópolis.
One night I went to Bahamas Club in SP where I met an attractive 19 year old spinner. I bought her a drink and she passed the audition although I felt at the time that she had swooshed down her beer a little too fast. Anyway, we went upstairs and fairly soon thereafter we got into a little disagreement when she refused to give me a BBBJ in the room. I pulled out my phone and tried to reason with her using my T-Mobile 15 GB 30 Day International Pass (15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling), but Google translate refused to cooperate. It was really a funny scene although at the time I did not think so. HA HA. I mean there I was lying in bed naked while a nude girl spread eagled over my right thigh was massaging my dick as I tried, without success, to get Google Translate to do its job. It didn't and the Bahamas Wifi wasn't working to well in the room either, so after 10 minutes in this situation ie her giving me a seductive hand job while I was fumbling around trying to get my phone to work properly, I gave up, called off the session against the girl's pleas not to do so, and I marched downstairs. The manager, who I knew from my last trip to SP, was cool and he did not charge me for the room. He also told me that BBBJ's were technically up to the girl and the customer to a agree upon, but that I was under no obligation to give the girl anything for the aborted session. I gave her 200 BR anyway instead of our agreed upon 600 BR because I felt it was the right thing to do. I also think the experience brought her down a peg in the eyes of all the other Bahama girls and may have taught her a valuable lesson, but who knows. Read on:
News of our event spread rapidly among the girls in the club and soon afterwards, a buxom blond with ginormous tits sat down next to me. She knew all about the previous incident and told me Vanessa was new on the job. But if I took "Buxom" upstairs, she would blow me until I came in her mouth. I declined her invitation, but a little later, I hooked up with a different blond with a pretty face and natural tits. We went upstairs where we DFK'd for 10 minutes or so which was then followed up with a kneeling bareback deep throat BJ and what I like to call a labia massage where a girl positions herself so that my dick runs parallel to her private parts, no penetration, but plenty of stimulation for both of us. This girl performed the BBBJ & the labia massage while standing and on the bed. Later we had covered vaginal sex in 3 positions which ran into overtime. There was no rush to finish and we took our time showering and lastly exchanging Whatsup info. It was a damn good session! 600 BR.
Later I went outside to the veranda where I lit up a Cohiba and chatted with 3 girls who were hanging out there. One of the 3 girls was a GF of my original girl. They all wanted to go upstairs with me for round #2. 5. KKK. One girl asked if I liked weed. I said I did, but that I was on the wagon, IE no weed for me. KKK. Eventually the girls went inside while I continued to enjoy my Cohiba, but the weed girl came back outside and asked if I wanted to go upstairs with her. I said perhaps another time.
Before I left the club, I saw the first girl sulking around in the bar area. Everyone knew what had happened between us. I gave her a knowing smile and shrugged my shoulders visually saying I am sorry, sort of, for what happened, but it could not have been avoided since you decided not to pleasure me properly. In the final analysis, however, I put most of the blame on the phone connection and regular T-Mobil service for our miscommunication and our aborted session. I still refuse to negotiate for BBBJ and this was the only time on this latest trip when I did not get one.
Lastly, I even had trouble connecting with Uber after I left the club and I had to reenter the club to pick up the WiFi and connect with Uber. It was not until I was back at my hotel when I noticed a T-Mobile text message sent earlier that evening informing me that my 30 day International Pass had expired and if I wanted to add another 30 days all I had to do was click on the link provided, which I immediately did. End of story. T-Mobile International Pass is a necessity in Brazil if you want to use T-mobile service on your cell phone in SP.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2883620]I get 5 G with my pixel in Brazil using T-Mobile. The cell towers were vivo and claro. [/QUOTE]As my report clearly shows, I use T-Mobile service, but I find it woefully inadequate on its own and thus it is an absolute necessity to buy the T-Mobil International Pass if you want to use your cell phone with T-Mobile outside of local WIFI hookups in SP. It ain't cheap, but it works very well. Here are the rates:
1) International 1 Day Pass: 512 MB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 24 hours, for $5/ day.
2) 5 GB International Pass: 5 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 10 days, for $35.
3) 15 GB International Pass: 15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 30 days, for $50.
Check out Clinica Zeus a couple of doors down the hill from Yankin at Dr. Jose de Querios Aranha #214. The half hour is are $100. The selection is smaller and a half step or so below Yankin but it will do in a pinch.
[QUOTE=Sp1000;2883567]Thanks for your answers and here is my report.
I visited Yankin on Wednesday afternoon after receiving a Whatsapp reply that there are around 10 girls. The kind gentleman (likely the owner?) at the front desk could speak good English. Available girls were quickly presented one*by one while it was hard to remember who was who at the end (maybe because there was no real hottie for me to choose). The gentleman let me see the girls again by going to the girls' lounge with me. When I asked about extra services, the gentleman kindly answered that BBBJ are generally included as a part of classic*sex, while others, one of which was*CIM, may be done after reaching an agreement*or negotiating with the girl. Girls' appearances were a*bit disappointing but I picked one. Unfortunately, this girl denied BBBJ. Then I realized that I should have confirmed this (maybe in front*of the front desk gentleman) before going into the room. Just plain sex at 150/30 min and I did not feel like*extending. I paid for lessons.
I visited Tangara on*Sunday afternoon. Via WhatsApp they*sent*me photos of*around 6 or 7 girls that are*working. When I reached in front of this place, I was a bit confused. I could not find a house number or a parking lot indicating the place is in business. Just pushed a door bell next to a blue door after checking the google map street view. Only two girls were presented to me when I was on a seat. And I had to wait for 15 minutes to see the girl that I was interested in based on Whatsapp photos. Since more guys came in, I was a bit nervous and looked over the*girls' lounge. Actually the girl was there so I showed my interest. *This girl's attitude was as good as her appearance. 150/30 min including BBBJ.
I would visit Tangara again when I have a chance. Next time I would check the girls' lounge often. It seems that the staff does not always show available girls to me as soon as they are available.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how I forgot to mention this in my original report, but while I was lying on my back in bed buck naked, fumbling around with Google Translate, and Sheila was sitting on my thigh giving me a rather interesting hand job while refusing to blow me without a condom; she did offer a BBBJ for an additional 100 BR. This was the straw and that led me to abort the session along with my growing frustration with the fucking phone. Later after I had spoken with the manager and everything was cool, I took Sheila aside and tried to talk to her. Bahamas WiFi was working ok in the bar area. Her line of reasoning was that BBBJ's were dangerous, and a lot of Brazilian men had health issues, but I did not take up her point. I merely told her if she was so set against BBBJ's then why did she try to upsell me for 100 BR. She had no response to that, and I was under no obligation to do anything further, but I gave her 200 BR anyway for our 10 minutes together and because I am a nice guy. Then I just walked away and moved on to better things.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2883693]Before I left the club, I saw the first girl sulking around in the bar area. Everyone knew what had happened between us. I gave her a knowing smile and shrugged my shoulders visually saying I am sorry, sort of, for what happened, but it could not have been avoided since you decided not to pleasure me properly. In the final analysis, however, I put most of the blame on the phone connection and regular T-Mobile service for our miscommunication and our aborted session. I still refuse to negotiate for BBBJ and this was the only time on this latest trip when I did not get one.
Lastly, I even had trouble connecting with Uber after I left the club and I had to reenter the club to pick up the WiFi and connect with Uber. It was not until I was back at my hotel when I noticed a T-Mobile text message sent earlier that evening informing me that my 30 day International Pass had expired and if I wanted to add another 30 days all I had to do was click on the link provided, which I immediately did. End of story. T-Mobile International Pass is a necessity in Brazil if you want to use T-mobile service on your cell phone in SP.[/QUOTE]First of all, T-Mobile has nothing to do with what happened. All you gots to do is know some elementary Portuguese, like "sexo oral sem camishina". And second, you don't have to have any kind of pass if you have the right kind of plan. I have an international plan. My phone and internet works when I step off of the plane without a bunch of outrageous roaming charges. If you don't do even just a little bit of preparation and planning in advance, then you get what you get. Which might be a CBJ LOL!
I'm not as frequent a visitor as you seem to be. When I am there, I use T-Mobile with no international pass. I have a US based plan (US $50/ month) that includes unlimited text and wifi calling along with unlimited data that is capped at 256 K speed worldwide. It connects to Vivo in Sao Paulo and I've noticed it shows the 5 G. I don't use google translate so that is maybe why I don't find a need to add on to the plan. I do notice it is somewhat slower than what I'm used to when I am using Claro in Colombia or T-Mobile 5 G in the US, but it works plenty fast enough with uber, whatsapp, and casual web browsing.
Tough luck about the girl trying to give you a are $600 hand job. I might not have paid her are $200, maybe half that much. It's worth it to maintain good relations with the management and the other girls. I hope she was much more attractive than the girls in the clinicas who we get for are $150 to are $200. Speaking of clinicas, I always laugh when I see the cellophane wrapped disposable hair combs and mouthwash because it's the Brazilian custom that justifies higher price points at clinicas like Abbobora and others, along with nice girls in some cases.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2883693]One night I went to Bahamas Club in SP where I met an attractive 19 year old spinner. I bought her a drink and she passed the audition although I felt at the time that she had swooshed down her beer a little too fast. Anyway, we went upstairs and fairly soon thereafter we got into a little disagreement when she refused to give me a BBBJ in the room. I pulled out my phone and tried to reason with her using my T-Mobile 15 GB 30 Day International Pass (15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling), but Google translate refused to cooperate. It was really a funny scene although at the time I did not think so. HA HA. I mean there I was lying in bed naked while a nude girl spread eagled over my right thigh was massaging my dick as I tried, without success, to get Google Translate to do its job. It didn't and the Bahamas Wifi wasn't working to well in the room either, so after 10 minutes in this situation ie her giving me a seductive hand job while I was fumbling around trying to get my phone to work properly, I gave up, called off the session against the girl's pleas not to do so, and I marched downstairs. The manager, who I knew from my last trip to SP, was cool and he did not charge me for the room. He also told me that BBBJ's were technically up to the girl and the customer to a agree upon, but that I was under no obligation to give the girl anything for the aborted session. I gave her 200 BR anyway instead of our agreed upon 600 BR because I felt it was the right thing to do. I also think the experience brought her down a peg in the eyes of all the other Bahama girls and may have taught her a valuable lesson, but who knows. Read on:
News of our event spread rapidly among the girls in the club and soon afterwards, a buxom blond with ginormous tits sat down next to me. She knew all about the previous incident and told me Vanessa was new on the job. But if I took "Buxom" upstairs, she would blow me until I came in her mouth. I declined her invitation, but a little later, I hooked up with a different blond with a pretty face and natural tits. We went upstairs where we DFK'd for 10 minutes or so which was then followed up with a kneeling bareback deep throat BJ and what I like to call a labia massage where a girl positions herself so that my dick runs parallel to her private parts, no penetration, but plenty of stimulation for both of us. This girl performed the BBBJ & the labia massage while standing and on the bed. Later we had covered vaginal sex in 3 positions which ran into overtime. There was no rush to finish and we took our time showering and lastly exchanging Whatsup info. It was a damn good session! 600 BR.
Later I went outside to the veranda where I lit up a Cohiba and chatted with 3 girls who were hanging out there. One of the 3 girls was a GF of my original girl. They all wanted to go upstairs with me for round #2. 5. KKK. One girl asked if I liked weed. I said I did, but that I was on the wagon, IE no weed for me. KKK. Eventually the girls went inside while I continued to enjoy my Cohiba, but the weed girl came back outside and asked if I wanted to go upstairs with her. I said perhaps another time.
Before I left the club, I saw the first girl sulking around in the bar area. Everyone knew what had happened between us. I gave her a knowing smile and shrugged my shoulders visually saying I am sorry, sort of, for what happened, but it could not have been avoided since you decided not to pleasure me properly. In the final analysis, however, I put most of the blame on the phone connection and regular T-Mobil service for our miscommunication and our aborted session. I still refuse to negotiate for BBBJ and this was the only time on this latest trip when I did not get one.
Lastly, I even had trouble connecting with Uber after I left the club and I had to reenter the club to pick up the WiFi and connect with Uber. It was not until I was back at my hotel when I noticed a T-Mobile text message sent earlier that evening informing me that my 30 day International Pass had expired and if I wanted to add another 30 days all I had to do was click on the link provided, which I immediately did. End of story. T-Mobile International Pass is a necessity in Brazil if you want to use T-mobile service on your cell phone in SP.
As my report clearly shows, I use T-Mobile service, but I find it woefully inadequate on its own and thus it is an absolute necessity to buy the T-Mobil International Pass if you want to use your cell phone with T-Mobile outside of local WIFI hookups in SP. It ain't cheap, but it works very well. Here are the rates:
1) International 1 Day Pass: 512 MB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 24 hours, for $5/ day.
2) 5 GB International Pass: 5 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 10 days, for $35.
3) 15 GB International Pass: 15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 30 days, for $50.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2883693] I pulled out my phone and tried to reason with her using my T-Mobile 15 GB 30 Day International Pass (15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling), but Google translate refused to cooperate. It was really a funny scene although at the time I did not think so. HA HA. I mean there I was lying in bed naked while a nude girl spread eagled over my right thigh was massaging my dick as I tried, without success, to get Google Translate to do its job. It didn't and the Bahamas Wifi wasn't working to well in the room either, so after 10 minutes in this situation ie her giving me a seductive hand job while I was fumbling around trying to get my phone to work properly,
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Lastly, I even had trouble connecting with Uber after I left the club and I had to reenter the club to pick up the WiFi and connect with Uber. It was not until I was back at my hotel when I noticed a T-Mobile text message sent earlier that evening informing me that my 30 day International Pass had expired and if I wanted to add another 30 days all I had to do was click on the link provided, which I immediately did. End of story. T-Mobile International Pass is a necessity in Brazil if you want to use T-mobile service on your cell phone in SP.
As my report clearly shows, I use T-Mobile service, but I find it woefully inadequate on its own and thus it is an absolute necessity to buy the T-Mobil International Pass if you want to use your cell phone with T-Mobile outside of local WIFI hookups in SP. It ain't cheap, but it works very well. Here are the rates:
1) International 1 Day Pass: 512 MB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 24 hours, for $5/ day.
2) 5 GB International Pass: 5 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 10 days, for $35.
3) 15 GB International Pass: 15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 30 days, for $50.[/QUOTE]It is always best to download the offline Portuguese (Brazil) version of Google Translate, so if no WiFi connection you can still use the app to successfully to translate your conversation without the need for WiFi.
Also as backup you could add GoogleFi for WiFi service. However, it could have been location in building or something blocking your WiFi Signal. Also consider when having connection issues to switch your phone to WiFi only or cellular only, sometimes when there is a weak signal the phone may be fighting between the protocols to obtain a signal.
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As my report clearly shows, I use T-Mobile service, but I find it woefully inadequate on its own and thus it is an absolute necessity to buy the T-Mobil International Pass if you want to use your cell phone with T-Mobile outside of local WIFI hookups in SP. It ain't cheap, but it works very well. Here are the rates:
1) International 1 Day Pass: 512 MB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 24 hours, for $5/ day.
2) 5 GB International Pass: 5 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 10 days, for $35.
3) 15 GB International Pass: 15 GB of high-speed data and unlimited calling, to be used up to 30 days, for $50.[/QUOTE]If you have a dual sim phone, AIRALO is cheaper in Brazil for high speed data.
5 GB /30 days /$15.5.
10 GB /30 days /$26.
I always use this and the app shows you how much you have left so you can top off easily.
If you are OK with spending an additional are $50 to are $60 per go, you will find much more attractive girls at avenida Miruna 644, Moema Prime (avenida Irai 511), and other places in Moema. The facilities are also nicer. They are the middle ground compromise between the down and dirty Vila Mariana and below places and the sky high Scandallo and similar boates. Scandallo has been a bit of a religious pilgrimage for punters for 20 years now. For me the novelty wore off after a couple of visits I didn't even have to pay for because my colleagues expensed it. The girls there are absolutely a cut above in attractiveness to the lower priced places and they do the classic courtesan thing. It's worth it for many of us.
[QUOTE=Sp1000;2883567]Thanks for your answers and here is my report.
I visited Yankin on Wednesday afternoon after receiving a Whatsapp reply that there are around 10 girls. The kind gentleman (likely the owner?) at the front desk could speak good English. Available girls were quickly presented one*by one while it was hard to remember who was who at the end (maybe because there was no real hottie for me to choose). The gentleman let me see the girls again by going to the girls' lounge with me. When I asked about extra services, the gentleman kindly answered that BBBJ are generally included as a part of classic*sex, while others, one of which was*CIM, may be done after reaching an agreement*or negotiating with the girl. Girls' appearances were a*bit disappointing but I picked one. Unfortunately, this girl denied BBBJ. Then I realized that I should have confirmed this (maybe in front*of the front desk gentleman) before going into the room. Just plain sex at 150/30 min and I did not feel like*extending. I paid for lessons.
I visited Tangara on*Sunday afternoon. Via WhatsApp they*sent*me photos of*around 6 or 7 girls that are*working. When I reached in front of this place, I was a bit confused. I could not find a house number or a parking lot indicating the place is in business. Just pushed a door bell next to a blue door after checking the google map street view. Only two girls were presented to me when I was on a seat. And I had to wait for 15 minutes to see the girl that I was interested in based on Whatsapp photos. Since more guys came in, I was a bit nervous and looked over the*girls' lounge. Actually the girl was there so I showed my interest. *This girl's attitude was as good as her appearance. 150/30 min including BBBJ.
I would visit Tangara again when I have a chance. Next time I would check the girls' lounge often. It seems that the staff does not always show available girls to me as soon as they are available.[/QUOTE]
Axel you seem like a man of means. You should just get Google Fi and chuck all that TMobile crap. It's $70/ mo and does unlimited data in 220 countries. You can pause and restart anytime you want so if you travel irregularly you don't have to pay monthly. I travel a lot so I just keep it year round and it's been a life saver. Finding girls at their incall flats in London. Never being without Wi-Fi. Ever. It's great. Worth every penny.
BTW that labia massage thing has a word in Japanese. It's called Sumata. And yeah it can be pretty great done right.
The CBJ finally caught up to you. I know that naked feeling as I have been there a few times. Haha. What did you think you could say to change her mind?
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2883693]... This girl performed the BBBJ & the labia massage while standing and on the bed. ....[/QUOTE]I have a paisa spinner that does this very well. She basically float on my body because she is so light. I can face fuck her at this position and she cooperated very well.
Brazil postpones visa requirements for USA, Canada and Australia citizens to April. Brazilian officials say they have postponed for the second time the reintroduction of requirements to obtain tourist visas for citizens of the USA, Australia and Canada.