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I know there are mixed reactions on here when I go OT but my goal is for all of us to have the best worldwide girl experience possible. Sometimes we talk about Sugar Baby. The pinnacle is flying your SB and spending a few days. This FR from a recent trip shows what it can be like. Love my FKK but damn hard to beat this:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]
#1109 on that page. Hope this is useful to some of my buds here. Cheers.
With all that supposed knowledge and experience, why so few reviews with names of ladies and links in your three years or so on ISG?
I immediately did a review with a link of the busty grad student in Barcelona I liked so well when I returned from seeing her. I liked her and figured others would too.
Your post regarding Russians generated a lot of interest. Why not give links to specific girls, or clubs to enter, or agency websites to peruse that you have experience with in St. Petersburg?
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2500162]It is a mistake to say I dehumanize women by not recalling their stages names. I remember many very fondly and have great respect for those that provided shattering sexual experiences. I don't recall Steffi at Oase, but she sounds wonderful.
I pay for my own airfares. Worth every penny! I usually combine mountain climbing, cruising art galleries, concerts, skiing and always a gastronomic food experience. A typical day will be a stop by Kaufhaus des Westens (KaDeWe), wander down the kudamm to a number of classy, boutique old school brothels, beautifully appointed, with lots of skilled and beautiful women for 100 euros. Heading further east, St Petersburg offers staggering beautiful women as does Novosibirsk. All are extremely skilled and drop dead gorgeous. Food not so great compared to Berlin or Spain. In fact, most of Germany lacks food quality and diversity. The Russian women kiss well, provide anal and have brought me immense pleasure and happy memories. A few let me take some normal girl poses (in clothes looking normal). Just seeing that brings a hard on from memories, a decade or more later. As with Steffi, these ladies are the things that dreams are made of (Human League). Best money I have ever spent. Maybe I have wrongly conflated US hos with the unskilled. But the Russian and Spanish ladies I have enjoyed, I too will take to the grave. Many are very clever, well read and wise far beyond their youth. There is no way to regard then as transactional hos..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrHo;2500154]It sound like USA is more like Eastern Europe, if you have good contact you can get good looking girl, in eastern Europe you need more friend in good places than contact, but with right connection you get best looking girls to your dream, but this is like this for almost everywhere where there is prostitution!
However, this is why I love German FKK, you can find stunner at one stop, you got mostly ugly girls, mediocre girls, but after deep searching and being patient, you almost find the stunner level beauty girl in German FKK and above all you can see who you choose to fuck before in real person not just photo, so this is big plus! In Russia too though, usually, if you got contact, the guy comes with around 5 stunners to your hotel and you choose or you go to banya, Russian sauna! Where it is like one big suite room, then you fuck there on bed or sauna or wherever, you can order food, drink etc, it is nice but too complicated, where as German FKK no need to ask friends for favor, no hassle, just go there and do as you feel, so in a way I do think FKK format is best format there is! And I tend to like normal stunner beauty taste straight out of fashion magazine type, but those who has fetish like taste, then FKK has all in line up, so all can have their way and very reasonable price at FKK![/QUOTE]The big difference between the USA and far Eastern Europe is that in the USA the sex workers are independent business women representing themselves.
They have independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and while it is not considered direct sex work by some, they join sites like Seeking Arrangement where guys meet them socially and see if a longer-term paid arrangement emerges.
Certainly having contacts helps. USA Guys read reviews on several escort review websites to aid in the selection. And the USA Escort ladies themselves network among themselves and refer their customers to other sex workers when requested.
It has price differentiation, and they most certainly aren't the same. It is very expensive, relative to Germany, so a person can waste a lot of money choosing the wrong ones.
The system gravitated this way primarily because the USA Government attacked anything organized through law enforcement techniques. So the system ended up in more of a one-on-one system, with screening to ensure that neither party is law enforcement and that the lady is safe during the session. Guys in the USA Buy time and companionship, which is legal. Or make gifts to women during the "relationship".
Strong arguments can be made that the German FKK system is better. It certainly is better from a customer selection perspective if he desires seeing many ladies at once. And it provides some greater level of safety for the sex workers.
On the other hand, there is no desire for such a system in the USA By the many USA Sex workers who advocate for decriminalization. Yes, they read. And write. And have a lot of discussions online and at meetings when Decriminalization legislation is proposed. None of this legislation has passed, but several have come close.
In fact, most USA Groups arguing for decriminalization argue that a legalized but regulated system is the least desirable for them. It reduces the freedoms of most sex workers. They are often essentially forced to live where they work. How do these Romanian ladies who travel to work at FKKs get an education, take care of babies they might have had, or even have pets if they live and work at a facility far from home?
Germany at least has a lot of different sex work options, including escorting, where ladies can choose what is best for them. But I doubt that the USA Could ever go the route of much freedom. So the current system is likely to be what it has for quite some time. I post about it to provide some accuracy to the misinformation that gets posted here. It is fine with me if guys reject it entirely. I have USA Friends who monger exclusively in Canada, Colombia, and Europe. But they don't feel the need to post misinformation about the USA Scene to justify their decisions.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2500162]
I pay for my own airfares. Worth every penny! I usually combine mountain climbing, cruising art galleries, concerts, skiing and always a gastronomic food experience. A typical day will be a stop by Kaufhaus des Westens (KaDeWe), wander down the kudamm to a number of classy, boutique old school brothels, beautifully appointed, with lots of skilled and beautiful women for 100 euros. Heading further east, St Petersburg offers staggering beautiful women as does Novosibirsk. All are extremely skilled and drop dead gorgeous. Food not so great compared to Berlin or Spain. In fact, most of Germany lacks food quality and diversity. The Russian women kiss well, provide anal and have brought me immense pleasure and happy memories. A few let me take some normal girl poses (in clothes looking normal). Just seeing that brings a hard on from memories, a decade or more later. As with Steffi, these ladies are the things that dreams are made of (Human League). Best money I have ever spent. Maybe I have wrongly conflated US hos with the unskilled. But the Russian and Spanish ladies I have enjoyed, I too will take to the grave. Many are very clever, well read and wise far beyond their youth. There is no way to regard then as transactional hos.[/QUOTE]Really, an excellent lifestyle choice that we should all aspire to.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2500226]Let me see, coco was still there since 2013 till 2019 Sept., now I do not know! I used to be her regular when she was younger! Also Kimi the black girl I never session with but good hearted girl is still there for long time since like even before 2014, and maybe some other ugly ones, but all stunner of stunner left and usually they leave fast like one or two years max, not even LOL And ugly ones stay LOL![/QUOTE]In Oase Kim from Thailand has been there since around 2007 and the Cuban babe too. They both have their German regulars. I saw them in the club this year.
[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2500006]Sad to see obese hookers. One exception for me was fat Estonian Vanessa LR. With plenty of other choices, for my 3rd room I picked her. I wanted straight 30 min BBBJ with elements of a deep throat, BL, and CIM conclusion. She delivered, especially in the BL department. All my LR regulars expressed disgust on their faces seeing me take Vanessa to the room, including Aby who generally has a very positive attitude. Good things about Vanessa. Outspoken personality, genuine smiles and a pretty face. The room was OK for a variety, but no repeat. I cannot have normal FS with a fat girl, that would require a real superman to cum. Or perhaps a couple of weeks of celibacy.[/QUOTE]I refuse to pay more than $400 for hookers. So I imagine those guys who fork out $1000 plus will get the premium p...y. Nevertheless a huge plus for US escorts who I've sampled is their oral skills. No woman from any other country sucks dick like a NYC hooker.
Osho speaks and keeps it real: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipLST6w6INY&feature=youtu.be[/URL].
NYC hookers watch too many porn movies. Too fast and furious. Machine gun fellatio. Too much fake "Uhh oh uhh, year cum for me me baby / honey / stud with your big cock" that is fake and a turn off.
The Russian girls are slow, deep and full suction, quiet, usually make sure my balls and butthole are gently fondled and never neglected. They will stop and talk to me. And a kiss. Then more slow BJ. Not slutty American BS, but nice and slow. They arch their eyebrows. A sly wink, lots of enigmatic, knowing smiles, a bit of mystery. The fact that I know I can flip them whenever I want and do a full missionary anal sensual DFK whilst they they sensually hold my balls while their pussy or bottom is full of cock. And legs in the air. Or wrapped around me. They don't need theatrics or fake porn scripts. They are the real thing. They giggle too. Sure they have a temper and moody, but they can also be so sweeeet!!!!! My theory is they live more for now and have a fatalistic mindset. And that creates passion.
THAT is what it is all about. So to is seeing them dance in flouncy little dresses and acting like a lady at a restaurant, not some fat drug crazed obvious ho.
Yes Poly, it is the whole package, the crisp air, the cobble stoned streets full of history, awesome food and wine, concerts, ski, massage, beautiful exotic women and boutique hotels with 600 thread count cotton sheets. And being somewhere new. And exploding in a pretty, young girl who is VERY willing and skilled with inducing shattering orgasms. A nice meal or activity awaits after coitus delicto flagrante forte. Pretty much anywhere in Spain, Portugal or Italy has good food, so does Hungary, and Berlin and a few select spots in Germany (mostly bad food). Russia and Poland are pretty meh on food. Montenegro and Croatia were tasty, but language a hassle. Switzerland is dreary food and always very expensive. Japan is good, especially Nagoya, and Japanese girls are pretty skilled and IMHO like foreign cock and are not faking. More than one has gotten the tell tale sudden wetness and their eyes open wide. At my age I know the difference.
Now compare that to some insincere, transactional USA SA chick or donut roll, foul mouthed fat ho. Day and night. Airlines (and all the BS that comes with them) are a magical carpet to another universe. USA is not famed for good food, architecture, subtlety or women. Most US porn is a real turn off.
This club is the equivalent to cigars and fine wine. Our hobby is all about the best on offer. Grab it while you can and have no regrets. You never know when things might change, like COVID, sickness or death. When I'm 80 and someone asks me about travel, I will have a smile and distant, happy memory decades later. A new car or other BS does not even come close to rich experiences.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2500363]In Oase Kim from Thailand has been there since around 2007 and the Cuban babe too. They both have their German regulars. I saw them in the club this year.[/QUOTE]Those who I never session with tend to stay long time in club and stunner level girls come and goes and often are found years later in other clubs LOL So, each time I find stunner, I make sure I fuck her good and repeat the next day and day after etc because when I come back after few months, she might be gone!
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2500337]The big difference between the USA and far Eastern Europe is that in the USA the sex workers are independent business women representing themselves.
They have independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and while it is not considered direct sex work by some, they join sites like Seeking Arrangement where guys meet them socially and see if a longer-term paid arrangement emerges.
Certainly having contacts helps. USA Guys read reviews on several escort review websites to aid in the selection. And the USA Escort ladies themselves network among themselves and refer their customers to other sex workers when requested.
It has price differentiation, and they most certainly aren't the same. It is very expensive, relative to Germany, so a person can waste a lot of money choosing the wrong ones.
The system gravitated this way primarily because the USA Government attacked anything organized through law enforcement techniques. So the system ended up in more of a one-on-one system, with screening to ensure that neither party is law enforcement and that the lady is safe during the session. Guys in the USA Buy time and companionship, which is legal. Or make gifts to women during the "relationship"..[/QUOTE]Arbitrage in prostitution industry is huge, stunner may cost let say 500 usd per hour in USA, but in Germany it cost 50 euro per 30 min, so 100 euro per hour, in reality for best service 150 euro per hour in Germany for stunner for stunning service, but difference in price and easiness to access to them has big difference!
In eastern Europe too, there seems to be some independent worker like when I was in Moscow and I wanted to fuck at night and did not want to call my friend to ask for his help, I walked down the street 10 min from my hotel to go to nightflight, which at one point was good club, most girls were OK, did not see fat, old or real ugly ones like you see in FKK, so it took me as usual around 2 to 3 hours, but I found one to take back to my hotel, and she seemed to be independent one and allegedly do some job during the day, this I would never know, but I did not see her contacting bar manager or calling someone or had driver, we just took taxi to go to my hotel down the road (she had heel so walking was not an option), so I had a feeling she was independent one.
However, when I asked my friend for help in eastern Europe, the girls comes become 10 out of 10 level stunner and they come with the guy who looks like a driver / body guard, so I assume these top of the top creme de creme girls belong to some kind of agency or organization. This both in my hotel room or banya (sauna, but really is suite with sauna, bath etc) is organized.
So in eastern Europe too seemed to have both independent and organization.
But I guess in USA, law is much more tighter and it is not freedom nation as they claim.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2500297]I know there are mixed reactions on here when I go OT but my goal is for all of us to have the best worldwide girl experience possible. Sometimes we talk about Sugar Baby. The pinnacle is flying your SB and spending a few days. This FR from a recent trip shows what it can be like. Love my FKK but damn hard to beat this:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/URL]
#1109 on that page. Hope this is useful to some of my buds here. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I already have that, I am just missing Brazil, but it is literally exactly other side of where I live LOL But! In Switzerland, I fucked so many Brazilian stunner when I was there because many of stunner level escorts in Swiss French part back then were Brazilians! It was still late 90's to early 2000's! Many of my early stunners were Brazilians Good old days! But one day, I will drag my ass to other opposite side of this world from me by taking over 20 hours long flight and longer with transit to visit Brazil I think! The down side is I am satisfied with Zurich and German cities FKK, so I need some motivation to go all the way to Brazil!
[QUOTE=Turgid;2500367]I refuse to pay more than $400 for hookers. So I imagine those guys who fork out $1000 plus will get the premium p...y. Nevertheless a huge plus for US escorts who I've sampled is their oral skills. No woman from any other country sucks dick like a NYC hooker.[/QUOTE]$400 is more than plenty. If you are willing to pay $2,000 a month which you would pay for say 5 such escort sessions of $400, then you can easily make a deal with Sharks caliber sugarbabe and see her perhaps twice a week. I typically don't favor monthly arrangements but it can be done at that price level. $1000 is way too much for a single session, sugarbabe or escort or whatever. Some guys might argue you have to pay up that much for high quality girls but that is BS. With patience and diligence, I can find just as high quality girls on SA for a lot less, and I have.
The only ones who deserve that much are porn stars. Not because porn stars are intrinsically worth that much but because they demand at that rate and some guys may have a fetish about fucking a famous porn star at least once in their life. If they do, then they will need to pay at that level. But then again, the keyword is famous pornstar, and probably I should add "close to her prime". They age quite fast and so do their rates past their prime. I heard the famous porn star Sunny Lane charged $1200-1500 a session at a Nevada brothel, probably Moonlight bunny ranch a while ago. I think she was still in her 20's then. I have seen a few porn stars on [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. Usually they are like comets, come and go quickly as their accounts get blocked by SA admin but one time I made a quick contact with a girl and turns out she was the porn star Amy Reid and asked $1200 with $500 upfront and the rest at the meet. I said thanks but no thanks. I also ran into a few other girls here and there on SA who also turned out to be porn stars but I did not know their names then.
These days there are so many porn girls and only a few are truly famous / well known. I imagine most of them can accommodate you for less than $1000. If that is your thing.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2500367]I refuse to pay more than $400 for hookers. So I imagine those guys who fork out $1000 plus will get the premium p...y. Nevertheless a huge plus for US escorts who I've sampled is their oral skills. No woman from any other country sucks dick like a NYC hooker.[/QUOTE]I paid about in USD 1500 for 70 min for Maria Ozawa at her peak in 2008, so for me, for good sex, I am willing to pay LOL!
But I do not pay more than 150 euro per 1 hour including all in FKK including rimming sometimes, and max is 200 euro, but that include rimming on me for sure!
Those days of 50 euro 30 min DFK, DATY, sex, BBBJ and even rimjob on me on lucky day sessions are almost gone! I miss those carefree days, even with upsellers, BBBJ, DATY and fuck was sure thing back then for 50 euro 30 min! Now it is almost gone! Maybe still in nrw that I no longer go due to limited stunner level!
This is also so true in the FKK now, you can t imagine how many times I told the girl to stop doing this crazy speaking, they believe it will make the monger come faster which is their main target. In each country you have good food, I don t like Switzerland at all, I worked there for several years, the mentality is terrible, and I was surprised how mass alcoholism is present there despite it is a very rich country. I spent 15 YO near the Switzerland boarder may that is the reason I have a deeper understanding about what they really are.
Neither of the two ladies I see in NYC, who are $600 an hour, not $1,000 an hour, are anything like PahllusMaximum describes, especially with respect to the act and mannerisms he describes. NYC has thousands of sex workers, and guess what, they are all different. That is one of the reasons they have all selected unique names as a way of distinguishing themselves from other sex workers in the same country. Ironically, I have encountered a couple of ladies in Barcelona who were a bit like what he described. I hinted that I didn't like it that way, and they changed their technique. Most Spanish escorts are not instinctively "porno" or fast with BJs, but as with any country, each one is different. And like in NYC, they have caught on to this trend of having a different name for each lady, so they can be identified as an individual and reviewed by posters who do reviews. But I don't make the assumption that every Spanish escort is exactly like those two.
And while it is not as good as Madrid or Berlin's Museum Row neighborhoods, NYC does have this interesting building called the Museum of Modern Art that can hold its own, pretty near a place called Central Park, which has some nice trees, water, hiking trails and a nice little zoo with penguins.
New York City and the United States is not as cool as most of Europe, but it ain't the Hell on Earth that is described by some in the German threads. So I see no reason for an American to be a slave to Europe instead of just enjoying it occasionally while seeing some ladies at home. For what it is worth, many locals of New York make the drive to Montreal on a pretty regular basis to get quality at a much lower price. But even on the Montreal board, they make the logical comparisons. They say, okay, it costs me this much to get what I want in the USA And this much in Canada. How often is it worth the drive? One poster finds New Jersey less expensive than NYC, so he compares the drive to Montreal versus the train to New Jersey to seeing someone in the city.
And I am still pretty sure if you asked a Romanian sex worker in an FKK if she would like to work as an independent escort in NYC with the ability to live where she wants in the city (rather than living in her workplace) and set her own schedule based on email and cell phone messages (after screening her clients), her bags would be packed in five minutes.