Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1329291]I once made the mistake of barfining a girl from the Kitten Club. She looked suspiciously like a ladyboy but was a women. She was one of those girls that looked and acted the part in the bar and offered the licentious promise of limitless fun if only you took her. I am usually immune to this sort of blatant come-on but had imbibed a little too much that night and weakened as you do.

I'll give her this. She was the consummate professional and went through all the moves with accomplished skill and finesse. It was like bonking by numbers. She insisted on the most disgusting thing in the mongering universe, a covered BJ. I found that the only BJ condom I possessed (been carrying it around for ages) was in a eye watering shade of bright red. I found myself rapidly developing a headache and something resembling hallucinations as I watched this jumbo saveloy slide in and out between her painted lips, framed by the most ridiculous set of rock hard and immobile bolt-ons that I have ever seen.

Heaven help me, but I still have photos. .[/QUOTE]This chick's large fake (and ugly) tits would be enough right there to make me go limp, then on top of that, a covered BJ! She would have to leave immediately. Hopefully bolt-on are not an epidemic down there. Thanks for the report and pics.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1329291]Sex was of the expected wham bam, thank you ma'am (or should that be man) variety and before I knew it she was tucking her ill gotten gains into her purse and heading out the door.

Heaven help me, but I still have photos. I hope that I'm not inviting the mongers version of PTSD by showing some. I've blurred her a bit as I wouldn't be surprised if she was still working there.[/QUOTE]Oh sexy tits!

How much?

If you want to avoid mechanical sex or a CBJ, maybe try offering a big tip for great service.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1329675]PH apart, and moving into BKK NEP, and its surrounding. Oh Well. Hope nobody promotes NEP anymore as the chances are high. Not to mention Patpong.[/QUOTE]That is one of the reasons I love Indonesia so much. Have yet to see one there.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1329291]I'll give her this. She was the consummate professional and went through all the moves with accomplished skill and finesse. It was like bonking by numbers. She insisted on the most disgusting thing in the mongering universe, a covered BJ.[/quote]I am sure glad you did not tell us the CBJ felt as good as a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Tits_Lover;1329387]thanks 4 sharing. Will try to give her a try this weekend.[/QUOTE]Som seems not working any longer, the boss told me she did quit about 1 month ago. Not sure if he was telling the truth.

However the MP is quite good, the fishbowl quality was pretty high compared to BKK!

But I am still on the quest for tits of the month.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1329803]That is one of the reasons I love Indonesia so much. Have yet to see one there.[/QUOTE]I agree, Indonesia does have many things going in it's favor. If it wasn't so stinking dirty. It's still an all time favorite.

Those Indo girls are so warm and accommodating.

Get this, was at the Sandy Spring (Soi 13) and went down to check out the Penthouse, would be closer to my nephew. Told them I would stay for 10 days, then asked if they would pick up my bags at the Sandy Spring, they said no. Can you believe that? They will go to the Airport, but not a few streets up to accomodate a potential guest who would stay for 10 days. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Praj4; 1327527]Hotel-Penthouse hotel doesnot deserve to have a separate thread running under its name in the forum. It's a crampped up place, small rooms, more like family run old hotel. Except thst they keep running xxx cd on one of tv channel; ofcourse no choice to you; there is nothing special about it, It's jacuzzi doesnot work with pressure!

Disco bar-Many of the likes of Airport, mixx need some sort of membership card! That's funnyThe bouncer at Mixx told me that I need to be accompanied with lady to enter! May be they they don't like south east asians; Indians included; as customers! All this could be managed by charging cover charge as they did near Sukhamavit Road!

Soapy massage-the Sabai chain has decent establishments, slightly cheaper than Bankok equivalents!

Gogo bar- Those seems to be up and many, similar to Bankok!

FL- Along the beach Road seems to be the place to pick up FLs! But didn't try as not sure of quality. Couldn't find many FRs on ISG in support!

Overall Pattaya is nothing special when compared to Bankok where you have have more variety, options![/QUOTE]

World ecomomics being what it is, this group is beginning to travel more, particularly the Indians. They now must learn, as other groups did, how to travel. It is mostly a issue of ecomonics, not race. When five guys go into a bar and one buys a draft beer you can understand why the owner gets angry. Watch them negotiating on beach road, they don't understand the concept of a "negotiating range" and, as a result, bargain themselves out of a reasonable exchange.

I believe that, with experience, this will change.

[QUOTE=Typhoon46; 1327762]Not really quite sure what your getting at but everytime I've been to Thailand whether it be BKK, patts or phuket every incident that has involved a kick off has either involved Indians or Arabs!

Both those races are renowned for being a pain in the ass and the girls don't like it either! As an example, take a walk down to Simon Beer Bar complex on walking st and just watch the comings and going. As a farang when you walk down between the bars the noise is deafening with the girls from all bars trying to get you into the theirs, now watch what happens when Indians or Arabs do the same thing? NOTHING kind of says it all really!

I'm not in anyway suggesting every Indian or every Arab is the same but as in everything the minority spoil it for the majority.

I used to quite like going via India with Jet as it broke the journey up a little but not anymore, I've never come across a more ignorant race in my entire life! So much so that I'd rather pay a lot more to fly direct now!

And on the subject of interacting, why exactly do the Arabs feel the need to have their own area of Pattaya which is like a no go area for white people? Why is it always 'WOE IS US' with these races when in fact it is the very behaviour of these people that alienates themselves in the first place?[/QUOTE]

Jackson,

I noticed you have been taking a proactive role in keeping the forum on point.

I appreciate and applaud your efforts.

[QUOTE=Admin; 1329347][blue]Gentlemen,

The Penthouse Hotel and it's associated Kitten Club are notorious transsexual / transsexual / ladyboy venues.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding [u]Women[/u] For sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]

Hi TopKnot,

We are a couple. Have you had any intelligent responses to your post?

[QUOTE=TopKnot; 1327666]Hi,

I've read many posts around here. Prreviously I had one MP experiance in BKK 4 years ago.

This time around I'm coming over to with my girlfriend (yes,"real" girlfriend for more than 3 years) , and since we love threesomes we're looking to enjoy some during our stay. We're coming for a couple of weeks, first few days in Pattaya, and than probably traveling to the southern beches. (that's why I'm positing it on this thread)

We have some questions we would be happy to hear your comments about. I think all reports I read were by male guy, so I'm durious if anyone can help us shed some light on this.

- In general, how foreign male-female couples percieved in Thailand, especially in the sex scene. For example, I read many reports about meeting girls in WS, clubs / bars etc, but we're not sure how we can do it as a couple. (Just go myself, and tell about my gf? Come with her to the bars?)

- What's the fee for a threesome with both of us? I saw the prices in the reports. Should I expect to pay the same / double? Would a LT fee be higher?

- What are the odds of finding a 3rd girl when we're in the Islands? We're planning on quiet beachs of Ko Pha Ngan, so I'm sure it would be harder, but any ideas or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any help, idea or comment![/QUOTE]

Hello Fellow Punters:

I am headed back to Pattaya soon and since it's been a few years I wanted to know if some of my fellow punters would update me on of few things?

First, though I always sample plenty of the local fair, I wonder if someone could tell me where the Eastern Bloc girls hang out?

Second, I also like to sample the more chubby fair at times, any leads on any places in particular where I might find girls of more uh. Substance?

Third, I have heard reports that beach road girls are starting to charge 600 and 700 baht, is this true?

Fourth, Pregnant ladies, does anyone know where I can find any?

Fifth, Does anyone know of any good provider that explores the anal alternative?

As always, thanks so much to my fellow Pattaya punters for any help or suggestions.

JohnnieBravo

[QUOTE=HenryV;1330596]Get this, was at the Sandy Spring (Soi 13) and went down to check out the Penthouse, would be closer to my nephew. Told them I would stay for 10 days, then asked if they would pick up my bags at the Sandy Spring, they said no. Can you believe that? They will go to the Airport, but not a few streets up to accomodate a potential guest who would stay for 10 days. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Hey Henry,

I made the same mistake some time ago. Booked the wrong hotel way out in the sticks. I'the heard about the Penthouse. One night, after a session in the Walking Street, we (me and my girl for that night from Peppermint Go-Go) staggered past the Penthouse which is just around the corner from the Walking Street. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of getting back to my hotel. They had a room so we just stayed there. She was very happy. Gave me a great night and some lovely wake up sex. I spoke to the Penthouse Manager in the morning about changing hotels. This was no problem. He even provided a complimentary car for me to go back and collect my bags. I think this is all part of the service for people, like me, who make mistakes like booking the wrong hotel.

[QUOTE=HenryV; 1330600]World ecomomics being what it is, this group is beginning to travel more, particularly the Indians. They now must learn, as other groups did, how to travel. It is mostly a issue of ecomonics, not race. When five guys go into a bar and one buys a draft beer you can understand why the owner gets angry. Watch them negotiating on beach road, they don't understand the concept of a "negotiating range" and, as a result, bargain themselves out of a reasonable exchange.

I believe that, with experience, this will change.[/QUOTE]I have normally stayed away from these sort of posts, but it is frustrating. I am a british born indian, well educated and well groomed. Still management at Makati feels it appropriate to charge me an entry fee on Sunday. I always play on my own. Sometimes, I have paid, whilst others I have just walked away. What is frustrating is that it sends a message to the girls who tend to ignore you as you are indian, very likely following the example or tone of management. It does not stop one playing, just requires a bit more work.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1330663]First, though I always sample plenty of the local fair, I wonder if someone could tell me where the Eastern Bloc girls hang out?[/QUOTE]Walking Street & Beach Road where it meets Walking St.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1330663]Second, I also like to sample the more chubby fair at times, any leads on any places in particular where I might find girls of more uh. Substance?[/QUOTE]Anywhere. Just open your eyes.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1330663]Third, I have heard reports that beach road girls are starting to charge 600 and 700 baht, is this true?[/QUOTE]Up to you and what you negotiate. Some pay 300. Some pay 1000. Fair exchange is no robbery.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1330663]Fourth, Pregnant ladies, does anyone know where I can find any?[/QUOTE]No particular hangout for pregnant chicks, but Beach Road would be your best bet.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1330663]Fifth, Does anyone know of any good provider that explores the anal alternative?[/QUOTE]YMMV. Try Beach Road.

[QUOTE=HenryV; 1330603]Jackson,

I noticed you have been taking a proactive role in keeping the forum on point.

I appreciate and applaud your efforts.[/QUOTE]It's good to know cause sometimes when it's not clearly spell out and the reviews sounds soo awesome and later find out hopefully not to late that you don't plan on switching teams. Hahaha

[QUOTE=HenryV; 1330600]World ecomomics being what it is, this group is beginning to travel more, particularly the Indians. They now must learn, as other groups did, how to travel. It is mostly a issue of ecomonics, not race. When five guys go into a bar and one buys a draft beer you can understand why the owner gets angry. Watch them negotiating on beach road, they don't understand the concept of a "negotiating range" and, as a result, bargain themselves out of a reasonable exchange.

I believe that, with experience, this will change.[/QUOTE]It's all about the money, they love you when you're not too cheap.

Too bad many people stereotype a culture and not treat each person as an individual.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1330795]Walking Street & Beach Road where it meets Walking St.

Anywhere. Just open your eyes.

Up to you and what you negotiate. Some pay 300. Some pay 1000. Fair exchange is no robbery.

No particular hangout for pregnant chicks, but Beach Road would be your best bet.

YMMV. Try Beach Road.[/QUOTE]The way it works here is the (EWR) early work release plus the tip for the girl?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1328483]I carry back and forth from the States a trove of sex toys in my carry on and not once has anyone on any security checkpoint in any country has made a comment or wanted to see 'what is this'![/QUOTE]Oh boy you're a brave person to have them in the carry on bag and not checked in baggage.

I can imagine the scenario at the airport screening after the x-ray they make you line them up for display on the table for inspection, if some are Mechanically operated for you to give them a demo to prove that it is actual toys. I would rather just purchase them at the destination to save the potential embarrassment, if someone videos it and goes viral on youtube, god help you. LOL

Any good sized massage fishbowl parlors like they have in BKK?

Yeah at the top of soi 2 and second Road. Look for the word Sabai and just pick one, don't like what you see, go the the next one.

[QUOTE=GuyLuvsParty;1330867]The way it works here is the (EWR) early work release plus the tip for the girl?[/QUOTE]No. That is how it works in Angeles City, and it is all inclusive. No tip is needed. Beach Road is a street that runs along the beach and it is loaded with freelancers. Last night at midnight there were literally hundreds (way more than usual). It is also apparent that the mongering / tourist traffic is down right now. But you do all your negotiations with the girl and you either take her back to your hotel or you rent a short time hotel for $4 if that is what you want.

[QUOTE=GuyLuvsParty; 1330890]Oh boy you're a brave person to have them in the carry on bag and not checked in baggage.

I can imagine the scenario at the airport screening after the x-ray they make you line them up for display on the table for inspection, if some are Mechanically operated for you to give them a demo to prove that it is actual toys. I would rather just purchase them at the destination to save the potential embarrassment, if someone videos it and goes viral on youtube, god help you. LOL[/QUOTE]I never check a bag so I have always carried my toys inside of my backpack in a smaller compartmentalized zip up bag that I bought at Goodwill. Whenever screeners at any given country have gone to investigate it has been more embarrassment for them than for me. Hell I already know I'm a freak and am comfortable with who I am. But you have to remember they see tons of these things through the x-ray machine everyday so they know how they look from that vantage point. It is only if they take them out in front of the other travelers that they may get embarrassed.

Searched the forum. Is there a tidy first timers guide walking me through my first trip to Thailand? If you know, similar to bwana dik or bubba's guide to Rio, Brazil?

There are lots of bits and pieces I see various places on the web. Thanks for any help.

I'm finally coming back to Thailand after about 5 years. I'll be going straight from the airport to Pattaya and will arrive around 2am Friday morning.

What time are the bars closing these days?

I'd love to get a blowjob and maybe a massage in my room to help me sleep, any decent outcall service still operating around 3am? Or is finding someone on Beach Road my only option? What about the Soi 6 bars?

Thanks!

Hilarious:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=927408&viewfull=1#post927408[/url]

Caused quite a stir back then, what a shame the Chior cried him off.

[QUOTE=B J Lover;1331016]Is there a tidy first timers guide walking me through my first trip to Thailand?[/QUOTE]Yes, Pattaya for dummies. I would be very interesting for me too.

[QUOTE=Otari;1331194]Yes, Pattaya for dummies. I would be very interesting for me too.[/QUOTE]I definitely found exactly what I was looking for. PM me for details if anyone needs, lest I offend Jackson's rules by posting an outside location of info.

[QUOTE=B J Lover;1331351]I definitely found exactly what I was looking for. PM me for details if anyone needs, lest I offend Jackson's rules by posting an outside location of info.[/QUOTE]To avoid a lot of RTTF talk, we could do with a "ISG for Dummies" book too.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1330663]Hello Fellow Punters:

Last March saw more chubbies than ever on beach road. Talked to one and she told me there is a great market for them because of the middle easterners.

Second, I also like to sample the more chubby fair at times, any leads on any places in particular where I might find girls of more uh. Substance?

Any recommendations on a good massage establishment that does not frown on a BBBJ.

Last time I was at the SDee the manager told me this was no longer available.

The cops were on Second Road yesterday pulling people over right past Central Festival. I happened to be one of those people. He wanted to see my license. I pulled out my Thai license and gave it to him. He asked where I was from. I said America. He motioned for me to turn the bike off and lift up the seat. He looked through the things I had under my seat and saw my valid registration in the ziplock bag. And away I rode!

I went by my massage shop on Soi Buakhao last night but my girl already had a customer and told me to come back in 40 minutes. I decided to go gas up my bike and head down to Beach Road. There have been way more women than usual on Beach Road the last few days. Is the Thai Christmas coming up or something? Another strange thing is that I was out there the other night about 1am and they were expecting royalty to drive through so there were police at the end of every street that meets Beach Road blocking traffic. Whoever it was supposed to be never showed so after an hour or so they let traffic resume. This must have been safe time for the girls and lbs because the police did not harass any of them, and they were out in drones.

But as I was walking I ran into what I was looking for. She told me to come for ST. I told her I only do LT. The truth is that I have never done LT on BR but wanted to try it out. She said 2000 baht. I laughed and told her 1000. She said okay let's go. I told her that I had to go get a massage first and I would call her after. This was a little before 9pm. So I went to get a 2 hour massage / nap. When I woke up at 11pm and looked at my phone I saw that May had called me 3 times. I decided to go home and finish napping. Shit. I woke up and looked at the clock. It was 4:30. I couldn't get myself up to go hunting so I went back to sleep and finally got up at 7:30 to get breakfast.

At my regular breakfast place there was an older farang guy eating with an older Thai woman. Neither of them had on rings so I doubt they were married. They sat next to each other on the bench side of the table. I know I was there at least 30 minutes and for that entire time they did not say 1 word to each other. Both just sat there looking straight ahead eating their breakfast emotionless. I thought WTF kind of relationship is that. Even between a bar girl and client you should see some love taps or goo goo eyes going back and forth. They both appeared dead or either totally uninterested in the other.

[QUOTE=HenryV;1331709]Any recommendations on a good massage establishment that does not frown on a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Hey Henry,

There are a couple of places near the Penthouse Hotel that offer BBBJ at a great price!:D

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1331829]Hey Henry,

There are a couple of places near the Penthouse Hotel that offer BBBJ at a great price.[/QUOTE]Is this where anal is on offer too?

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1331848]Is this where anal is on offer too?[/QUOTE]You know the place!

How was the service?:rolleyes:

[QUOTE= Both just sat there looking straight ahead eating their breakfast emotionless. I thought WTF kind of relationship is that. Even between a bar girl and client you should see some love taps or goo goo eyes going back and forth. They both appeared dead or either totally uninterested in the other.[/QUOTE]I sure sign that they are in fact married.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1331959]You know the place!

How was the service.[/QUOTE]I don't frequent this area for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=HenryV; 1331709]Any recommendations on a good massage establishment that does not frown on a BBBJ.

Last time I was at the SDee the manager told me this was no longer available.[/QUOTE]?

99% of the shops in Pats. Do you have money?

[QUOTE=Otari;1331194]Yes, Pattaya for dummies. I would be very interesting for me too.[/QUOTE]I think this is really kind of stupid and a waste.

Pats is not an Iphone...Are you a man? Just go there and experience it for yourself.

That is the best way. BR, Soi 6, Soi 8, WS. Then walk around and find out for yourself.

That is a big part of the fun of the place.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1331674]To avoid a lot of RTTF talk, we could do with a "ISG for Dummies" book too.[/QUOTE]Your comment is not relevant, based on what I was specifically looking for. Look at my entire post:

Pattaya pdf guide?

Searched the forum. Is there a tidy first timers guide walking me through my first trip to Thailand? If you know, similar to bwana dik or bubba's guide to Rio, Brazil?

There are lots of bits and pieces I see various places on the web. Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1332062]I think this is really kind of stupid and a waste.

Pats is not an Iphone. Are you a man? Just go there and experience it for yourself.

That is the best way. BR, Soi 6, Soi 8, WS. Then walk around and find out for yourself.

That is a big part of the fun of the place.[/QUOTE]Your opinion is your opinion. Why would you question someone's manhood because they are seeking information? Maybe some people don't know anything about BR Soi 6 Soi 8 and what the fuck a WS is?

After you select a destination that you have never been to, and just go there and "walk around", please post the results. Thanks.

[QUOTE=B J Lover; 1332095]Your opinion is your opinion. Why would you question someone's manhood because they are seeking information? Maybe some people don't know anything about BR Soi 6 Soi 8 and what the fuck a WS is?

After you select a destination that you have never been to, and just go there and "walk around", please post the results. Thanks.[/QUOTE]BJL,

I am not trying to flame you here, but I read the forum before my first trip to Thailand and did very well. One thing that helped me was getting a really good lady from Beach Road and keeping her for multiple days. She showed me how to get around Patts, which is easy, but nice to have a local helping out.

I don't know how much time you have or where you are staying, but if time is limited, I would not try to see too much. Soi 6, 7, 8, and 2nd Road have more than enough bars to keep you busy for a long time. Also various streets off 2nd Road and Soi Diana and Buakao are good places too. I am sure you have found some maps to help you out. I try to avoid WS, but many people like it, so depends on your tastes. Try it and find out.

I also can tell you that I have gone to a destination that I had never been to and did just as you said, walked around and figured it out. That was about all the choice I had, since it was 22 years ago and I didn't have internet or even own a computer. I couldn't even speak the local language at the time and didn't know anyone there either.

PM me if you like and I will answer any questions you have and can give you some suggestions if I know the area you are staying. I am confident you will do well and will have an enjoyable trip.

[QUOTE=B J Lover; 1332095]Your opinion is your opinion. Why would you question someone's manhood because they are seeking information? Maybe some people don't know anything about BR Soi 6 Soi 8 and what the fuck a WS is?

After you select a destination that you have never been to, and just go there and "walk around", please post the results. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The results?

WS is Walking Street. One of the most famous mongering and bar spots in the world. You never heard of it in this forum?

Results? For me every mongering place in SEA.

That is all part of the experience to me. That is what an adventerous man does. Especially at these places.

Not following a road map.

I gave you the basic spots to hit that have been repeated here 1000 times. Go to those spots and walk around and take the place in for yourself. I bet you have more fun.

Mr. Enternational and other ISG members. I have stayed in Pattaya for 6 months at a time, (6 month. 3 entry visa) for the last two years. The boys in brown also set up an afternoon checkpoint / roadblock on the "dark side" (east side) of Pattaya every afternoon. They have waved me over twice. Same drill, show a license (International drivers license, I obtained in the USA before entering Thailand) and then lift up the seat. They are checking for drugs. If for some reason, you are carrying anything illegal, they will make life uncomfortable for you. Of course, a large donation to the "tea money" fund will more often than not help you to extricate yourself from a delicate situation. There is a roadblock every afternoon in Phuket, between Patong Beach and Kata Karon. If you arent wearing a helmet, or have violated some other Thai law, either real or imagined, you will be fined on the spot. Last year, the fine was 300 Baht. I met a Russian national who was on the same plane I was on the way to Kuala Lumpur for a visa run, and he told me the fine is now up to 500 Baht. When Cambodia realizes that their sanitation standards are a deterrent to many western travelers, and make an effort to improve their environment, I will be spending more time in Phnom Penh. Am I whining? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1332062]I think this is really kind of stupid and a waste.

Pats is not an Iphone. Are you a man? Just go there and experience it for yourself.

That is the best way. BR, Soi 6, Soi 8, WS. Then walk around and find out for yourself.

That is a big part of the fun of the place.[/QUOTE]Luvpuss,

As far as I can tell (my search in these forums are currently bugged) you have added a lot of insight and info to these forums. But turn down the rage here a little. Guy just asked for a wiki version to help him get his feet wet when he hits the ground running. I love reading the forums, the posts and read the different experiences. But I would appreciate also a guide, a summary to help with a lot of common questions asked such as were is the best ATM or where do I get my teeth cleaned, or transportation etc, so I can focus the majority of time concentrating on our common hobby here.

For example: Hmm, want a soapie, but I have been walking up and down Beach Road, and going up and down soi and no luck. Oh, I remember this guide that talked about soapies on second road around soi2 and soi 3. TUK TUK time. Now I can spend my time choosing which girl will recover my manhood; p.

A guide / wiki just will help some users pointed in the right direction. No guide will ever capture or replace the feeling, the smells and sights of moving from soi to soi. And yeah, youare so right, that is a big part of fun, walking around and exploring.

Also, no one is telling you have to stop chatting here until you post a guide. A few just asking if there is already a guide, or if there is a guide in the works.

-monte.

P. S. Disclaimer: Yes, I am new to the ISG forum, so yes, so my forum posts are of a low count, and yes, no trip report yet. One will be coming though in 7 weeks but for a different country. But all that will not invalidate on what I have to say here.

Mr. Jj197,

I have read your post. I think you are way ahead of many tourists by being well groomed. The Thais are fastidious people, and they are totally turned off by uncleanliness and body odor. Some cultures, I have heard, find natural body odor attractive. Is it the phermone argument? I don't know. I practice good hygiene also, because I don't like rejection. I want to be able to approach a Thai lady I find attractive, and not be eliminated from consideration because I don't meet her grooming standards. Also, I have heard many Thai ladies complain that when they get back to an Indian persons room, they find 4 other men waiting. I don't have knowledge of this for a fact, its just what I 've heard some PFP ladies say. I've been coming to Thailand since 1994, my last trip was my 15th visit to the LOS. So, I do like to think I have some experience. I think you will be fine. Just be fair, and treat all Thais with respect, unless they treat you otherwise. Even then, its best to walk away from any situation that makes you uncomfortable.

[QUOTE=Monte Q;1332116]no trip report yet. One will be coming though in 7 weeks but for a different country. But all that will not invalidate on what I have to say here.[/QUOTE]Good point! No worries, Luvpuss has tons of posts, but maybe 2 (at the most) trip reports.

Go out, play, and report back!

[QUOTE=Monte Q; 1332116]A guide / wiki just will help some users pointed in the right direction. No guide will ever capture or replace the feeling, the smells and sights of moving from soi to soi. And yeah, youare so right, that is a big part of fun, walking around and exploring.

Also, no one is telling you have to stop chatting here until you post a guide. A few just asking if there is already a guide, or if there is a guide in the works.[/QUOTE]Lots of people underestimate the Report of Distinction section. It provides a lot of useful links to useful posts, bypassing all the chit chats that keep the forum alive but sometime with poor or no information.

Mr. E,

I see this often living here like you and I see it a lot on the darkside. I'm not that age yet but I'm getting there? Here is my take cause not all farangs with thai women of this age has to be married? With or without rings? Like many like yourself you are here to put as many marks on your belt as possible but for many like you see these guys for their own reasons (to each their own) are here not for the sex any longer but for companionship and mostly someone to take care of them. They a pay old women a salary (old bar girls ?)who can speak some English etc. That will help them around, cook, clean, and take them out. In return they get a monthly salary, hopefully a clean place to live and sleep. Their kids are all grown up and mostly don't need them so what they make they keep for themselves and hopefully when the gravy train runs out they have saved enough to keep them going until their own demise.

Maybe you have seen him? At the Big C extra in the food court near the Sunrise Taco, there is usually a old guy with a old thai women. He rolls this shopping cart from upstairs which has a few groceries. He buys a small lunch from upstair already cooked for around 20 baht then sits downstair in the food court eating while the old women walks around shopping and then she comes back and they just sit. I've talked to him a few times and he seems happy with the situation and I say good for you old man.

LBM

[QUOTE=Night Spotting; 1331108]I'm finally coming back to Thailand after about 5 years. I'll be going straight from the airport to Pattaya and will arrive around 2am Friday morning.

What time are the bars closing these days?

I'd love to get a blowjob and maybe a massage in my room to help me sleep, any decent outcall service still operating around 3am? Or is finding someone on Beach Road my only option? What about the Soi 6 bars?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I just had that experience. Arrived Pattaya around 2am. Checked into my hotel on Soi LK Metro. Walked around for an hour or so. Everything you are asking about is readily available and easy to find. Really. No problem. Just walk around like a kid in a candy store.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1331009]No. That is how it works in Angeles City, and it is all inclusive. No tip is needed. Beach Road is a street that runs along the beach and it is loaded with freelancers. Last night at midnight there were literally hundreds (way more than usual). It is also apparent that the mongering / tourist traffic is down right now. But you do all your negotiations with the girl and you either take her back to your hotel or you rent a short time hotel for $4 if that is what you want.[/QUOTE]LOL, got confused from Angels, meant to ask EWR plus negotiated fee.

Thank you, great suggestion for the Beach Road option.

I don't mind paying the bucks when I see something that blisses my eye, just don't like to overpay and feel stupid cause IMO, most think generosity is a weakness to be exploited. LOL.

Guarantee if won't be my first time or last time on both overpaying & stupidity.

My goals for self improvement are pretty easy since they are starting off at a low bar. Haha

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1332105]BJL,

I am not trying to flame you here, but I read the forum before my first trip to Thailand and did very well. One thing that helped me was getting a really good lady from Beach Road and keeping her for multiple days. She showed me how to get around Patts, which is easy, but nice to have a local helping out.

I don't know how much time you have or where you are staying, but if time is limited, I would not try to see too much. Soi 6, 7.8, and 2nd Road have more than enough bars to keep you busy for a long time. Also various streets off 2nd Road and Soi Diana and Buakao are good places too. I am sure you have found some maps to help you out. I try to avoid WS, but many people like it, so depends on your tastes. Try it and find out.

I also can tell you that I have gone to a destination that I had never been to and did just as you said, walked around and figured it out. That was about all the choice I had, since it was 22 years ago and I didn't have internet or even own a computer. I couldn't even speak the local language at the time and didn't know anyone there either.

PM me if you like and I will answer any questions you have and can give you some suggestions if I know the area you are staying. I am confident you will do well and will have an enjoyable trip.[/QUOTE]All good. I was just making a point that many people start the seed of a trip right here. So if there was something that summed it all up quickly instead of reading the forum for hours and hours, it would be helpful. That's all. Thankfully it exists. Plus I was just making a point also about terms being new to people but ridiculously familiar to others like BR and WS. I know volumes about Pattaya now and can hit the street running. Some people are meticulous and research a location for years before setting foot. I. E. Like I did for brazil, which I know like the back of my hand. But if a newbie to Rio was asking about the new Red Cafe terma, or the prives in centro or what is balcony, I'd help and also get them to the bubba report and bwana dik guide. To each his own. Happy trails.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1331770]There have been way more women than usual on Beach Road the last few days. Is the Thai Christmas coming up or something?[/QUOTE]It's getting close to the end of the month bro. Bills are due.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1332166]They a pay old women a salary (old bar girls?) who can speak some English etc. That will help them around, cook, clean, and take them out. In return they get a monthly salary, hopefully a clean place to live and sleep. Their kids are all grown up and mostly don't need them so what they make they keep for themselves and hopefully when the gravy train runs out they have saved enough to keep them going until their own demise.

LBM[/QUOTE]I call them "Girlfriend nurses" because they serve both purposes.

You can see too many of such couples in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1332166]Like many like yourself you are here to put as many marks on your belt as possible but for many like you see these guys for their own reasons (to each their own) are here not for the sex any longer but for companionship and mostly someone to take care of them. They a pay old women a salary (old bar girls ?)who can speak some English etc. That will help them around, cook, clean, and take them out. In return they get a monthly salary, hopefully a clean place to live and sleep. Their kids are all grown up and mostly don't need them so what they make they keep for themselves and hopefully when the gravy train runs out they have saved enough to keep them going until their own demise.[/QUOTE]I hope to be the same way some day, but the only difference is that I will prefer to have some type of interaction with my girlfriend nurse and not just sit there as if the other person was not even present.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1332430]I hope to be the same way some day, but the only difference is that I will prefer to have some type of interaction with my girlfriend nurse and not just sit there as if the other person was not even present.[/QUOTE]Yes, a sponge bath is possible?

LBM

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1332417]I call them "Girlfriend nurses" because they serve both purposes.

You can see too many of such couples in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Who knows? Maybe they were both totally exhausted from a wild night of passionate love?

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1332034]I don't frequent this area for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]I still don't know a lot about exact locations in Pattaya. What do you mean?

Any particular one you would recomend?

I was looking for something a little uppscale, like the Sabi Dee, but where I do not have to argue over the BBBJ issue.

Have had some great service at SDee, but its not worth the hassle with respect to arguing over a BBBJ.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1331829]Hey Henry,

There are a couple of places near the Penthouse Hotel that offer BBBJ at a great price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo]I wonder if someone could tell me where the Eastern Bloc girls hang out? * * * Any leads on any places in particular where I might find girls of more substance?[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time looking for Eastern Bloc girls. The handful that are in town are scarifying and they demand an outrageous price. Along the same line, avoid the Walking Street bar where they have a couple of (relatively good looking) Eastern Bloc hotties outside. It's a depressing clip joint.

As for finding plus-sized ladies, that will be easy. Pattaya has all manner of American fast food, and many girls enjoy it too mutt! As a rule the fittest girls gravitate toward to the go go clubs. So if you're going the other way look elsewhere. The beers bars have lots of chubbetes. And you can find your own little Butterball on Soi Six.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1332878]Don't waste your time looking for Eastern Bloc girls. The handful that are in town are scarifying and they demand an outrageous price. Along the same line, avoid the Walking Street bar where they have a couple of (relatively good looking) Eastern Bloc hotties outside. It's a depressing clip joint.

As for finding plus-sized ladies, that will be easy. Pattaya has all manner of American fast food, and many girls enjoy it too mutt! As a rule the fittest girls gravitate toward to the go go clubs. So if you're going the other way look elsewhere. The beers bars have lots of chubbetes. And you can find your own little Butterball on Soi Six.

Bunky[/QUOTE]The eastern bloc girls charge Western European prices.

World Wide a Go GO has girls of all shapes now, located on beach road, somewhere between soi 7 and 8 I believe. Part of their costumes they have these skirts that spell World wide. 2 years ago (Jun '10) I saw one girl that was able to sport the letters "WIDE" across her butt, where the rest had the skirt wrapped twice or more around their waist. But last year (Feb '12) , I happened to drop by again, and more then a handful girls there now who are able to sport the entire" WORLD WIDE" across their butts. I saw about 4 or 5 on stage at same time and noticed a couple more around their bar. I was only in there for about 3 mins so no exact headcount LOL.

So, if you are in the market for chubbies +++ you might drop by earthquake epicenter err "world wide a gogo"

Japanese businessmen have a reputation for paying more for the girls' services than a lot of Western punters. That raises the ire of some posters on the Pattaya boards. But what is most interesting is the Asian side of the story. Why do Japanese men pay premium prices to TGs and what do the girls think of them? Here's a real-life story that gives some insight:

I know a girl very well who used to work as a show girl in Super Baby. One night an older Japanese man barfined her and paid upfront the standard 3, 000-baht fee for her services. He took her to a nice restaurant and then to a karaoke club, where he got so drunk he could hardly stand. She and the staff helped him to the private car with driver he had at his disposal. When they reached his hotel, he gave the girl 10, 000 baht and told her the driver would take her where she wanted to go. She was amazed at such a "tip" and told him it wasn't necessary as he'd already paid 3, 000 baht. He insisted she take it and apologized for getting so drunk.

A few nights later the same man came back to Super Baby, barfined her and paid 3, 000 baht. This time they skipped the karaoke club and went back to his hotel after the restaurant. He boom-boomed her once "very quickly" (her words) , then sent her on her way with another 10, 000 baht tip. Next night her barfined her yet again and she was his companion at a dinner with a group of other Japanese men. After the dinner, he explained to her he had to go "somewhere" with these men and other services wouldn't be needed that evening. He gave her another 10, 000 baht.

In less than a week, this girl had earned nearly 40, 000 baht for one quick boom-boom and keeping a man company on three nights. I asked her if she thought the Japanese man was stupid for giving her so much for so little. She shook her head "No" vigorously.

"Him have big money," she said."Him not care."

I asked her if she would expect such generous payment from other customers, at which she laughed.

"Not all customer have big money," she chuckled.

I then asked if she would expect me to give her more money than I had previously done. She replied, with a twinkle in her eye and smile on her lips,"You have big money- or not?"

My experience has been that TGs are very good at figuring out what is realistic to charge a customer. Anytime they name "silly" money, it's because they don't want to go with that particular customer. It's that simple.

That's why it always amuses me when a Western ex-pat or S / T visitor struggling on an inadequate income denounces Japanese executives who pay more than he does as "idiots," "mental cripples," or something similar. Japan has one of, if not the, most competitive educational systems and corporate environments in the world. Some Japanese are working in Thailand on hefty ex-pat packages, others are on trips with all expenses paid by their companies. Air fare, food, local transport, even visits to places like Baccara or Super Baby are picked up by their companies. And should they have to pay the girls themselves, it's not a huge expense viewed against the big picture. All of them know the value of money and how to negotiate, it's just that they don't worry about paying a few extra baht to enjoy themselves in Pattaya. They regard it as ignominious to bring a superior set of skills into play when dealing with girls who usually have very little education.

They don't begrudge the girls some extra baht because it isn't a big amount in their eyes. But what they don't have is a lot of time. Japanese ex-pats work very long hours and the guys on business trips or even reward trips have grueling schedules. They tend to bar fine earlier and send the girls home after S / T so they can get a good night's sleep. According to the ladies, Japanese customers aren't big fans of L / T. The difference between a 600-baht or 1, 000-baht bar fine is a piddling difference to them. They're not worried about premium payment to the girls because often the boss is picking up the tab. It's his way of showing his status, social standing and generosity by Japanese standards.

Do the girls like them as customers? They sure do. Not only do the Japanese pay well, but they tend to be polite and undemanding. If they take the girls out, it's to a karaoke joint or some other place the girls like, not another pussy bar. Very often they give the girls gifts (corporate give-away stuff mostly, but the ladies still appreciate it.)

Far from being fools, the Japanese punters have maximized their experiences in LOS through paying premium prices. They get the girls they find attractive at the times they consider convenient. From the Japanese perspective, it's the Western punters who spend big money out of their pockets on air fare to Thailand, then want to nickel-and-dime the girls, that are the fools.

Evil

Can I be honest about the prices Japanese pay? 10000 baht is about 25000 yen. Here in Japan, in the same industry, you would be lucky to get a basic 2 hour short time for that money. And FS is NOT included. Its up to the girl as to whether you get it. So a J guy pays the same amount in Thailand and thinks its totally normal? So what. The girls might come to expect that from Japanese. Up to them.

Places like Thermae cater to such guys. Avoid those and you will be fine.

When I was there last time, there were Japanese, but Pale face is also there in abundance.

There are many Japanese who are just as cheap as the pale face and there are those who pay way more than they should since it is so expensive here. And stupid.

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1332985]When I was there last time, there were Japanese, but Pale face is also there in abundance.

There are many Japanese who are just as cheap as the pale face and there are those who pay way more than they should since it is so expensive here. And stupid.[/QUOTE]Yes, but pale face does not get the more attractive ones. I know, been there for hours. Pale face takes second best or nothing at all.

Thought significant number of koreans there too, but hard to differentiate them from Japanese.

[QUOTE=Monte Q; 1332888]The eastern bloc girls charge Western European prices.

World Wide a Go GO has girls of all shapes now, located on beach road, somewhere between soi 7 and 8 I believe. Part of their costumes they have these skirts that spell World wide. 2 years ago (Jun '10) I saw one girl that was able to sport the letters "WIDE" across her butt, where the rest had the skirt wrapped twice or more around their waist. But last year (Feb '12) , I happened to drop by again, and more then a handful girls there now who are able to sport the entire" WORLD WIDE" across their butts. I saw about 4 or 5 on stage at same time and noticed a couple more around their bar. I was only in there for about 3 mins so no exact headcount LOL.

So, if you are in the market for chubbies +++ you might drop by earthquake epicenter err "world wide a gogo"[/QUOTE]Arabs love heavy weight women. Therefore this type of women hangs around bars and restaurants where the Arabs are. In Pattaya it's in between Soi B. J, Soi 16 and Phatthaya Sai 12.

Evil this is very true "Far from being fools, the Japanese punters have maximized their experiences in LOS through paying premium prices. They get the girls they find attractive at the times they consider convenient. From the Japanese perspective, it's the Western punters who spend big money out of their pockets on air fare to Thailand, then want to nickel-and-dime the girls, that are the fools."

One of the guys I work with is over there now, and he was bitching about a girl that he wanted to take out wanting 3000 bht and not 2500 bht for LT, saying there is no reason he should pay high season prices in low season. I tried to explain to him that he just flew 25 hours to get to Thailand and he is arguing with a girl over $16 WTF?

[QUOTE=RoadGlide; 1333408]Evil this is very true "Far from being fools, the Japanese punters have maximized their experiences in LOS through paying premium prices. They get the girls they find attractive at the times they consider convenient. From the Japanese perspective, it's the Western punters who spend big money out of their pockets on air fare to Thailand, then want to nickel-and-dime the girls, that are the fools."

One of the guys I work with is over there now, and he was bitching about a girl that he wanted to take out wanting 3000 bht and not 2500 bht for LT, saying there is no reason he should pay high season prices in low season. I tried to explain to him that he just flew 25 hours to get to Thailand and he is arguing with a girl over $16 WTF?[/QUOTE]I agree! You save up all this money for a long flight, hotel, foods, drinks and girls and all of a sudden you're going to be cheap? Not my idea of a good vacation. Especially if you want good service. I noticed chemistry go downhill whenever someone tries to be a cheap charlie. When I'm having a good time with a girl, I'm not going to ruin it getting into a bidding war with her and somehow insulting her.

[QUOTE=RoadGlide; 1333408]Evil this is very true "Far from being fools, the Japanese punters have maximized their experiences in LOS through paying premium prices. They get the girls they find attractive at the times they consider convenient. From the Japanese perspective, it's the Western punters who spend big money out of their pockets on air fare to Thailand, then want to nickel-and-dime the girls, that are the fools."

One of the guys I work with is over there now, and he was bitching about a girl that he wanted to take out wanting 3000 bht and not 2500 bht for LT, saying there is no reason he should pay high season prices in low season. I tried to explain to him that he just flew 25 hours to get to Thailand and he is arguing with a girl over $16 WTF?[/QUOTE]Agree with that. Evil's posting should be mandatory reading for anyone who complains about "stupid Japanese overpaying".

I am also a fan of Slavic girls.

I have sent you a message where to find them.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1330663]Hello Fellow Punters:

I am headed back to Pattaya soon and since it's been a few years I wanted to know if some of my fellow punters would update me on of few things?

First, though I always sample plenty of the local fair, I wonder if someone could tell me where the Eastern Bloc girls hang out?

Second, I also like to sample the more chubby fair at times, any leads on any places in particular where I might find girls of more uh. Substance?

Third, I have heard reports that beach road girls are starting to charge 600 and 700 baht, is this true?

Fourth, Pregnant ladies, does anyone know where I can find any?

Fifth, Does anyone know of any good provider that explores the anal alternative?

As always, thanks so much to my fellow Pattaya punters for any help or suggestions.

JohnnieBravo[/QUOTE]

Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this.

Forum and read!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90; 1334249]Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this.

Forum and read!

Cheers![/QUOTE]There are hotels located in both Bangkok and Pattaya in every price range from low to high to outrageously expensive; some are nice; some not so nice; some are dumps. Maybe if you read the forum you might find exactly what you are looking for. Maybe not; it's an awful lot to read if you aren't motivated.

Oh yeah, and there are busses running daily to and from both locations.

Good luck! Hope you have a great time!

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90; 1334249]Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this Forum and read!

Cheers![/QUOTE]You can't spend the efort of reading the forum, so you expect the other forum members to summarize, digest and spoon-feed you the information? Perhaps we should bring some ladies to your bed as well and help you putting your dick inside them too?

Come one! Show some effort. This forum will only work if all share some of the burden to keep it interesting. If we have to spend all our time on requests like yours, nothing really worthwhile would get done. The forum posts are here to be read by the Members.

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90; 1334249]Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this.

Forum and read!

Cheers![/QUOTE]I read approx 20% of the postings in each thread I am interested in. I didn`t have time but I made time as mongering is important to me and have my full attention. Everything is cheap in Thailand so don't worry about prices. But take taxi between Pattis and Bangkok only 1500BHT one way (max).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1334354]You can't spend the efort of reading the forum, so you expect the other forum members to summarize, digest and spoon-feed you the information? Perhaps we should bring some ladies to your bed as well and help you putting your dick inside them too?

Come one! Show some effort. This forum will only work if all share some of the burden to keep it interesting. If we have to spend all our time on requests like yours, nothing really worthwhile would get done. The forum posts are here to be read by the Members.[/QUOTE]Hello,

You can also search the forum first.

Have a nice trip to Patts.

[QUOTE=RoadGlide; 1333408]Evil this is very true "Far from being fools, the Japanese punters have maximized their experiences in LOS through paying premium prices. They get the girls they find attractive at the times they consider convenient. From the Japanese perspective, it's the Western punters who spend big money out of their pockets on air fare to Thailand, then want to nickel-and-dime the girls, that are the fools."

One of the guys I work with is over there now, and he was bitching about a girl that he wanted to take out wanting 3000 bht and not 2500 bht for LT, saying there is no reason he should pay high season prices in low season. I tried to explain to him that he just flew 25 hours to get to Thailand and he is arguing with a girl over $16 WTF?[/QUOTE]Cheap Charlies are morons. But they make it better for guys who are willing to pay the asking price or more. If the girl says 1000, for example, I offer 1, 500. Cheap Charlies suck.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1334451]Cheap Charlies are morons. But they make it better for guys who are willing to pay the asking price or more. If the girl says 1000, for example, I offer 1, 500. Cheap Charlies suck.[/QUOTE]And there is a fool born every minute.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1334559]And there is a fool born every minute.[/QUOTE]King C a NUT e springs to mind.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1334559]And there is a fool born every minute.[/QUOTE]I bet he does that when he buys a car too.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[quote=evil penivel;1332974]not only do the japanese pay well, but they tend to be polite and undemanding.[/quote]many girls have told me this as well. i wonder why this is. japanese porn is usually demeaning, lots of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], humiliation, crying, trying. you would think they would be the worst customers around.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1334451]Cheap Charlies are morons. But they make it better for guys who are willing to pay the asking price or more. If the girl says 1000, for example, I offer 1, 500. Cheap Charlies suck.[/QUOTE]So do I. If they then stand there silently looking confused, and perhaps teary eyed, I say, ok 2000 to 5000 baht!

For sure, then, they have imaginations of what I'll be asking of them in the sack.

And that this won't be a 4 minute Tokyo length quickie.

Or they may also may be in disbelief & near to fainting.

-

AC / DC. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_t5GPbp5IY&feature=related[/url]

[quote=chill out;1334593]many girls have told me this as well. i wonder why this is. japanese porn is usually demeaning, lots of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], humiliation, crying, trying. you would think they would be the worst customers around.[/quote]i was told by a long term professional pimp, who made a living out of catering for japanese, that in public they are sweet, in private room sadistic, and they paid more than others so they could get away with their sadism. when in position of power they are not nice at all. example of that is the war, where they went out of their way to be as nasty as all hell. ask the chinese, filipinos and any other unfortunates who were occupied by the japanese. they sure do impress in public, smiley, generous. whilst kept in line they are sweet, but when they get the opportunity, nasty. that is my understanding of them.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1334451]Cheap Charlies are morons. But they make it better for guys who are willing to pay the asking price or more. If the girl says 1000, for example, I offer 1, 500. Cheap Charlies suck.[/QUOTE]You are very welcome to spend your money, as you wish my friend.

When you are shopping, I suppose you pay always 50% tip to the cassier, and 50% tip to the waiter at a restaurant, etc.) Because you are not a Cheap Charlie. I don't behave as you. And you call me Cheap Charlie and moron. And I am not angry to you. But I will not say all the names what I call you, just because I don't want to make you angry.

Have a nice day!

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather; 1334657]You are very welcome to spend your money, as you wish my friend.

When you are shopping, I suppose you pay always 50% tip to the cassier, and 50% tip to the waiter at a restaurant, etc.) Because you are not a Cheap Charlie. I don't behave as you.[/QUOTE]I never tip the cashier or waitress 50 percent. She isn't going to give me anything for it, let alone an extra special BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1334616]Whilst kept in line they are sweet, but when they get the opportunity, nasty. That is my understanding of them.[/QUOTE]As someone who grew up in Japan and has mongered alongside Japanese men for many years, I think that's a ridiculous generalisation. Yes, some are nasty and sadistic but probably fewer than, for example, Korean men. Some are submissive and masochistic, but there too, probably fewer than, say, Germans or Brits. Some are just looking for good sex, or romance, or companionship. In short they come in all types, no doubt just like the mongers of whatever country you're from. And what this has to do with Pattaya, I don't have a clue, so I'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90; 1334249]Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this.

Forum and read!

Cheers![/QUOTE]I like to agoda or expedia to find hotels in Bangkok and Pattaya. Reading the reviews on the hotels from guests, looking at the pictures and finding hotels in your price range helps a lot too. Oh and one more thing! If you use the map feature to see the surrounding area, you can see how far away from everything you are. For instance, in Bangkok, I like to stay near the monorail along with Soi Cowboy.

Good luck and have fun with your trip bro!

Anyone have any experience with the foreign freelancers who hang out around the middle-eastern area of Soi 16 off walking street.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1335211]I like to agoda or expedia to find hotels in Bangkok and Pattaya. Reading the reviews on the hotels from guests, looking at the pictures and finding hotels in your price range helps a lot too. Oh and one more thing! If you use the map feature to see the surrounding area, you can see how far away from everything you are. For instance, in Bangkok, I like to stay near the monorail along with Soi Cowboy.

Good luck and have fun with your trip bro![/QUOTE]Its impossible to plan a trip from the ground up on paper, unless if you have a Jason Bourne logistic team.

Just skip any preparation at all. Go without a reservation to Soi 12 cheek in one of the hotels opposite LEK.

After 24h you will know it all

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1335215]Anyone have any experience with the foreign freelancers who hang out around the middle-eastern area of Soi 16 off walking street.[/QUOTE]Never seen any foreigners there. Only LBs and Thai chicks with their hair done like the 60s and crazy makeup. I love them!

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90;1334249]Mates, YI can't go through hundreds of pages of this Forum and read! Cheers![/QUOTE]And why that?

I've spent the last week trawling around the many bars in and around Soi 7 and 8.

I've been pleasantly surprised at the number of gems (subjective I know) in amongst all the girls available.

I've barfined from Poker and Lucky Star bar at the end of Soi 8 facing the beach, also from Rolling Stone Soi 8 who was only 18 and cute as hell, from UK and Aussie bar and 1 or 2 others who names I cannot remember on Soi 7.

All 300 THB, BF and easy to get 1000 THB for LT although in a couple of cases I paid 1500 THB but they left shortly before they were due back to start again at their bar.

The best perfomer was 38, she looked 28, had a cracking body despite 2 kids and not an ounce of tummy anywhere to be seen and the best breast enhancement I have seen, from UK bar, she's now moved on to a new place and yet to find out where.

All good performers, a couple a 3 holers, the 18 year old needed some encouragement to BJ but soon got the hang of it.

You've just got to love the so called low season.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1335400]Never seen any foreigners there. Only LBs and Thai chicks with their hair done like the 60s and crazy makeup. I love them![/QUOTE]Picked up a pair from one of the "stans" last high season, believe it was Tajikistan. Turned out to be not so good experience although they were pretty decent looking. Very crazy area around 3am.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1334599]So do I. If they then stand there silently looking confused, and perhaps teary eyed, I say, ok 2000 to 5000 baht!

For sure, then, they have imaginations of what I'll be asking of them in the sack.

And that this won't be a 4 minute Tokyo length quickie.

Or they may also may be in disbelief & near to fainting.

-

AC / DC. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_t5GPbp5IY&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]During my long experience, I sometimes overpaid, sometimes underpaid (compared to the price I assume the girl usually gets) , same for monger friends who were with me. I did not particularly noticed a correlation between the price I paid and the performance I (or my friends) got. I noticed a high correlation with (1) Choosing the right girl (I cannot explain how, it's a question of experience and intuition) , and (2) with the customer's attitude.

[QUOTE=RCorcoran90; 1334249]Mates,

I want to plan a trip in Dec to Bangkok and Pattaya. Any information regarding prices, nice hotels, buses to and from each location would help. I can't go through hundreds of pages of this.

Forum and read!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Buses are leaving every 30 min from EKAMAI bus station a few meters away from the Ekamai station of sky train. Price about 125 baht.

Mini vans are leaving every 30 min from Victory Monument square. Price 120 baht.

Best one if you are a newcomer is [url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/[/url] Door to door service for 350 baht.

Taxis for about 1200 baht. Do negotiate in advance though.

Take your pick.

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1336301]Best one if you are a newcomer is.

[url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/[/url]

Door to door service for 350 baht.[/QUOTE]I think you're better off and quicker to take the train to the airport 40 bt, and take the bell bus from there for 200.

[QUOTE=El Greco; 1336301]Buses are leaving every 30 min from EKAMAI bus station a few meters away from the Ekamai station of sky train. Price about 125 baht.

Mini vans are leaving every 30 min from Victory Monument square. Price 120 baht.

Best one if you are a newcomer is.

[url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/[/url]

Door to door service for 350 baht.

Taxis for about 1200 baht. Do negotiate in advance though.

Take your pick.[/QUOTE]Anyone who cannot afford a taxi to Pattaya should stay home and look for a better job.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1336458]Anyone who cannot afford a taxi to Pattaya should stay home and look for a better job.[/QUOTE]That is one point of view. The other is that the fare difference buys you a night with a freelancer. And yes, I could afford to hire a whole bus just for myself or a helicopter. But do I have to?

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1336468]That is one point of view. The other is that the fare difference buys you a night with a freelancer. And yes, I could afford to hire a whole bus just for myself or a helicopter. But do I have to?[/QUOTE]Again, if a fare difference is so important it gets you a night with a freelancer, I do support Luvpuss opinion: stay home! This doesn't mean overspending or wasting money, but deprieving of the pleasure of a comfortable holiday.

Each one has his own priorities, but as said often, quite a few hundred bucks are spent to go to Thailand for a break (be it holiday or mongering or both). Being concerned for some 20 bucks a day would worry me as anything can happen that I need those 20bucks and I can't spend them.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1336476]Again, if a fare difference is so important it gets you a night with a freelancer, I do support Luvpuss opinion: stay home! This doesn't mean overspending or wasting money, but deprieving of the pleasure of a comfortable holiday.

Each one has his own priorities, but as said often, quite a few hundred bucks are spent to go to Thailand for a break (be it holiday or mongering or both). Being concerned for some 20 bucks a day would worry me as anything can happen that I need those 20bucks and I can't spend them.[/QUOTE]Well what about those of us who live here? THEN can we do it the way we choose or do we have to spend our money your way? I could buy the fucking bus if I wanted to. I do not want to. What do you get by taking a taxi? 20 extra minutes in Patts? For 1000 extra baht. Perhaps some people are more attuned to VALUE.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1336458]Anyone who cannot afford a taxi to Pattaya should stay home and look for a better job.[/QUOTE]I prefer the bus because it is generally more comfortable than a taxi.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1336483]I prefer the bus because it is generally more comfortable than a taxi.[/QUOTE]To me it depends on how long I have been travelling. It is usually 24 - 26 hours for me to get to BKK so I do not want to wait around for a bus as by then I am burnt out. One time my connection to a Thai Air flight out of LA got cancelled for 24 hours so my travel time was only a 18 hour stretch and I took the bus no problem.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1336480]Well what about those of us who live here? THEN can we do it the way we choose or do we have to spend our money your way? I could buy the fucking bus if I wanted to. I do not want to. What do you get by taking a taxi? 20 extra minutes in Patts? For 1000 extra baht. Perhaps some people are more attuned to VALUE.[/QUOTE]I am not dictating what one has to do with his own money. The story of the people "living here" comes up often.

This is a forum where the majority is a visitor, otherwise this forum would be called Thai expatriates, and over half of the topics would be non existing.

Therefore as you state your opinion maybe pointing out that you prefer the bus as you are a resident, would clarify the situation.

A visitor might not be comfortable to save less than a 1000baht and having to deal with changes etc.

As a resident I would still privilege my own comfort, and if I can't afford it, I skip the trip but when doing it I'd do it the good way.

Spend the money the way you like it, but let me express my opinion. Taxi takes you from point A to B all the way.

Unless you live in the vicinity of a Pattaya bus stand, I doubt you only have +20 minutes with the bus. And you have to spend money to reach the bus

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1336476]Again, if a fare difference is so important it gets you a night with a freelancer, I do support Luvpuss opinion: stay home! .[/QUOTE]This is probably one of the main reasons why many call Thailand their home.

To me the taxi does not add enough value to justify the difference, as I live in SEA and m flight to Thailand is under 3 hours. The bus runs frequently from BKK and needs under 2 hours.
A way more important thing for me is that I won't fly Airasia anymore because DMK is too far away. And there the price difference is much more than taking a taxi or not.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1336493]I am not dictating what one has to do with his own money.

Spend the money the way you like it, but let me express my opinion. Taxi takes you from point A to B all the way.

Unless you live in the vicinity of a Pattaya bus stand, I doubt you only have +20 minutes with the bus. And you have to spend money to reach the bus[/QUOTE]Your opinion as stated in your previous post is to STAY HOME. You and those like you are just a bunch of controlling non-contributing wind bags in my opinion. I have 20 years experience in Thailand, have lived here for 7 years and been on this board for 10 years. Where is your last mongering [I]experience report[/I] On this board?

You can doubt all you want about the 20 minute times saving. I have done the trip both ways numerous times and the taxi does not get you more comfort. It gets you marginal convenience and marginal times savings. My intent in replying to this bull shit in the first place is so newbies understand that the bus in is fact not a bad choice. DO NOT STAY HOME because some know it alls tell you you have to take a taxi. When you arrive by bus a baht bus will either take you within walking distance of your hotel for 20 baht or take you to the door for 50 baht. Public transportation is a good thing.

Hi Gentleman.

Having used all 3 methods to get to Pattaya I would say personally the bus from Ekkami is the worst way to travel. There are more people on this bus, the seats are uncomfortable and the air-con is shit. When you reach Patts they drop you at the main station which is outside the town. I have waited 35 minutes for a baht bus (strangely taxi's seem to be non-existent around there). It then took a further 25 minutes to get near walking street. The mini-bus from victory monument is much better, comfortable seats, good air-con, gets there quicker and goes straight along beach road. The only time I took a taxi was during Songkran and that was because the mini-bus would entail a 50 minute wait. No way I was sitting around victory monument for almost 1 hour. The advantage was I could sleep in the back of the taxi, never been able to sleep on the bus or mini-bus. The taxi was definitely the quickest way but also much more expensive, sure I paid 1, 200 baht with the meter. The other two ways are around 120 baht but I personally would always choose Victory Monument mini-bus over Ekkami.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1336514]Hi Gentleman.

Sure I paid 1, 200 baht with the meter.

BJ[/QUOTE]The price is 1000, no meter, no highway fee.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1336514]...The other two ways are around 120 baht but I personally would always choose Victory Monument mini-bus over Ekkami.[/QUOTE]I like the bus from the Airport to Jomtien. There are always Bahtbuses around that bus station.

I would sometimes even take the train to the airport and the bus from there. It just needs better timing as they are not as frequent as the ones from Ekkamai.

Now that Air Asis flys to D M airport, could some brother please tell me if taxis are as easy to get to Pattaya and goin rate. Previously I have had all trips via Suvahnabumi and know the ropes from there.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1336514]Hi Gentleman.

Having used all 3 methods to get to Pattaya I would say personally the bus from Ekkami is the worst way to travel. There are more people on this bus, the seats are uncomfortable and the air-con is shit. When you reach Patts they drop you at the main station which is outside the town. I have waited 35 minutes for a baht bus (strangely taxi's seem to be non-existent around there). It then took a further 25 minutes to get near walking street. The mini-bus from victory monument is much better, comfortable seats, good air-con, gets there quicker and goes straight along beach road. The only time I took a taxi was during Songkran and that was because the mini-bus would entail a 50 minute wait. No way I was sitting around victory monument for almost 1 hour. The advantage was I could sleep in the back of the taxi, never been able to sleep on the bus or mini-bus. The taxi was definitely the quickest way but also much more expensive, sure I paid 1, 200 baht with the meter. The other two ways are around 120 baht but I personally would always choose Victory Monument mini-bus over Ekkami.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]The bus station is not out of town and there are songtaews waiting for every bus arrival, which charge 20 Baht for any destination along Beach Road. The big bus is a lot better than being crammed into a sardine can van. The bus from Ekami leaves every 20 minutes or half hour depending on the time of day. In the busy holidays they send them out back to back.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1336583]The bus station is not out of town and there are songtaews waiting for every bus arrival, which charge 20 Baht for any destination along Beach Road. The big bus is a lot better than being crammed into a sardine can van. The bus from Ekami leaves every 20 minutes or half hour depending on the time of day. In the busy holidays they send them out back to back.[/QUOTE]You are allowed to just come out and say you prefer the bus from Ekkamai. This topic is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

Regards.

BJ

Thanks for all the different options and opinions of transportation methods!

It's always good reading to know all the different modes of transportation.

Everyone has their own opinion of stress, value, budget, comfort, and sense of adventure, IMO I don't think there is a wrong or right answer to whatever transportation vehicle they desire.

I see great value in taking public, bus transportation.

Private vehicle & Taxi is a lot more expensive but it gets you there with the least amount of stress if you're not familiar the area.

Any body intressted in bar hopping and hunting will be based at soi LK metro, and fairly familiar with Pattaya PM me

[quote=crazy4thai; 1336501]your opinion as stated in your previous post is to stay home. you and those like you are just a bunch of controlling non-contributing wind bags in my opinion. i have 20 years experience in thailand, have lived here for 7 years and been on this board for 10 years. where is your last mongering [i]experience report[/i] on this board?

you can doubt all you want about the 20 minute times saving. i have done the trip both ways numerous times and the taxi does not get you more comfort. it gets you marginal convenience and marginal times savings. my intent in replying to this bull shit in the first place is so newbies understand that the bus in is fact not a bad choice. do not stay home because some know it alls tell you you have to take a taxi. when you arrive by bus a baht bus will either take you within walking distance of your hotel for 20 baht or take you to the door for 50 baht. public transportation is a good thing.[/quote]another one?

this is your one posted mongering experience from the past 6 months:

i've not tried the dr. bj's yet but just to be clear i'm the one who "upsold" at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. i offered 200 bt tip up front and she was naked and all mine in the blink of an eye. i saw and enjoyed way more than her mouth and the top of her head.

i am amused walking past the doc's place though as the ladies call out just like the massage places "blow job sir?" "bj" "full service". you got to love this place.

you have live there for 7 years. really??

wow, that told us alot. is that what you want? i would rather hear nothing. a bunch of nothing wasted space.

yah dude, you are a huge contributor. thank you for everything you do. now hop on the bus and head home.

[quote=luvpuss; 1336686]another one?

this is your one posted mongering experience from the past 6 months:

i've not tried the dr. bj's yet but just to be clear i'm the one who "upsold" at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. i offered 200 bt tip up front and she was naked and all mine in the blink of an eye. i saw and enjoyed way more than her mouth and the top of her head.

i am amused walking past the doc's place though as the ladies call out just like the massage places "blow job sir?" "bj" "full service". you got to love this place.

you have live there for 7 years. really?

wow, that told us alot. is that what you want? i would rather hear nothing. a bunch of nothing wasted space.

yah dude, you are a huge contributor. thank you for everything you do. now hop on the bus and head home.[/quote]i see your research ability matches your posting ability. very stinky sourpuss. six months takes us back to april and in that time i've posted about pookie at hillary bar, pim at tulips repeat pim at tulips with different results, loong at plame massage. (no longer there) a great experience at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s nit at annie's. and you? anything good?

I am wondering whether we are here to post and get useful information about mongering or to write and read soft to hardcore porn novels with gyno type of illustrations (useful for those who have reading difficulties)?

Does it matter to the community I picked up girl A from (as an example) Beer Garden we went to the room and fucked our brain out, she dried me, I exhausted her (with full details of course, including the Ph of her wet pussy) or maybe it is better to know, again as an example, that in said BG there can be some gems, even if the place is known to have past history ladies?

Does it matter more to newbie to know that in Bangkok Beat there is a mix of freelancers, non pro (but available for a tip to add to their regular job income) or girls off the office and out just to celebrate one's birthday party? Rather then reading how hard I came 5 times in 2 hours thanks to girl B at the cost of a beer? The first information will make him aware of the scene, and not taking for granted that any girl will spread his legs to him, the second information, maybe a poor porn novel, will only tell him that I have been lucky with one (and he might not even ever bump into her, not mentioning that even if he does he might not get such a juicy experience) and that is it. Nevertheless he might be induced to approach any girl girl and straight ask her "can I buy you a beer and we drink it in my room?" (As we have these guys lurking here.).

I think the mongering ability (if we have to say that) in here is not in how many time one can come. That is mainly a mental masturbation for the writer to remember how good time he had with a girl and, poor of real friends in life to tell and share, does it for his verbal public exhibition.

This are only my 2 baht and of course valid anywhere, not specifically to the Pattaya forum.

PS and by the way, whilst I paid a correct 215 taxi meter fare plus 70 for toll from BKK airport to Soi 2 hotel in sukhumvit, on my return trip from the hotel to BKK I opted for 450 all in paid to the hotel limo (oh well.... Limo is an overstatement, we all know that, it is a Toyota Camry). Sheeeeeet! I wasted the cost of a beer or two in doing that, what an asshole I am. Now I know why I was thirsty when at the airport.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1336767]Does it matter more to newbie... Nevertheless he might be induced to approach any girl girl and straight ask her "can I buy you a beer and we drink it in my room?" (As we have these guys lurking here.).[/QUOTE]Nice line. What I always tell them is that we can drink for free in my room and I have music too. But as I have said before, it turns out that most of the girls are only social drinkers. I can count on one hand the girls who have come to my room in the last 2 years and actually drank anything besides water.

[QUOTE=Wes Man;1336569]Now that Air Asis flys to D M airport, could some brother please tell me if taxis are as easy to get to Pattaya and goin rate. Previously I have had all trips via Suvahnabumi and know the ropes from there.[/QUOTE]To Wes.

The best and the fastest is taxi direct to Pataya will cost around 800 BHT, the cheaper way will be take taxi from DM to Mo Chit bus station only 20 min around 140 bht and take the Pattaya bus every 30 min 145 bht to pattya bus station and bht bus to hotel, I am in Pattaya right now and flying airasia on Monday this is the route I will be taking whole trip should take me little over 3 hr from hotel to airport.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1336458]Anyone who cannot afford a taxi to Pattaya should stay home and look for a better job.[/QUOTE]Better take the bus to Pattaya and use the 1200 baht to take a lady when you arrive there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1336802]Nice line. What I always tell them is that we can drink for free in my room and I have music too. But as I have said before, it turns out that most of the girls are only social drinkers. I can count on one hand the girls who have come to my room in the last 2 years and actually drank anything besides water.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. In all my trips to Thailand, I've never met a girl that really wanted to drink. All they think about is the $$$.

I found some info on expat shops but it's a bit dated, wondered where I can find expat shops in Pattaya or any other shop selling long sleeved polos and stuff.

[QUOTE=YG365;1336880]I agree with you. In all my trips to Thailand, I've never met a girl that really wanted to drink. All they think about is the $$$.[/QUOTE]I ask them, what you want ladies drink or ladies drink money under the table to you. They go for the cash everytime. If lady drink say Bt150 I give them Bt100 and so on. Goes towards my next beer, she calls the next day minus ladies drinks and bar fines.

[QUOTE=YG365;1336880]I agree with you. In all my trips to Thailand, I've never met a girl that really wanted to drink. All they think about is the $$$.[/QUOTE]There are some exceptions. I often take out a girl who likes to drink, surely that night nothing is going to happen on the bed. She is ok, she is not dangeourly drunk but when we go back to the room, she simply lay down and falls asleep in a matter of seconds.

Shops selling all manner of items sought by expats / farang visitors are ubiquitous in Pattaya. Try Second Road or Mikes Dept. Store.

It's a fairly large city that makes it's living catering to tourists every whim so you will easily find those things.

[QUOTE=Alistair;1337038]I found some info on expat shops but it's a bit dated, wondered where I can find expat shops in Pattaya or any other shop selling long sleeved polos and stuff.[/QUOTE]With a low daily temp. Of 75F not much need for sleeves. You may want to try Central Department storeatCentral Festival on beach road or one of the Tescos.

[quote=crazy4thai;1336749]i see your research ability matches your posting ability. very stinky sourpuss. six months takes us back to april and in that time i've posted about pookie at hillary bar, pim at tulips repeat pim at tulips with different results, loong at plame massage. (no longer there) a great experience at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s nit at annie's. and you? anything good?[/quote]hey, come one! luvpuss has at least 3 useful posts out of his 812 useless posts; so let's show some respect here!:d

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1337040]I ask them, what you want ladies drink or ladies drink money under the table to you. They go for the cash everytime. If lady drink say Bt150 I give them Bt100 and so on.[/QUOTE]I used to do that to save money too; and of course the girls like the cash option. So in theory it's all well and good but she's not supposed to be sitting with you without a lady drink in front of her. That's the purpose of a lady drink, to buy the girls time and pay the bar their cut. She'll get in trouble if management catches her so why not just play it straight to keep the bar happy and give her an extra tip if you feel like it?

Is Pattaya rather for guys who like bar girls, GoGo-s and freelancers and Bangkok for massage pleasure?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1337046]There are some exceptions. I often take out a girl who likes to drink, surely that night nothing is going to happen on the bed. She is ok, she is not dangeourly drunk but when we go back to the room, she simply lay down and falls asleep in a matter of seconds.[/QUOTE]Although I love having drunk sex. I like to buy girls shots of Jack or something strong that I know isn't watered down and see there limit. I don't get them drunk to the point where they pass out or nothing but in a haze where they just let go and don't hold anything back. To truly test this, stick a finger in her butt and see how she reacts LOL.

Just writing this makes me want to go back! But I'm going to lean more towards Angeles cause the P. I. Is a lot closer, flights cheaper and the girls and drinks are cheaper.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1337133]I used to do that to save money too; and of course the girls like the cash option. So in theory it's all well and good but she's not supposed to be sitting with you without a lady drink in front of her. That's the purpose of a lady drink, to buy the girls time and pay the bar their cut. She'll get in trouble if management catches her so why not just play it straight to keep the bar happy and give her an extra tip if you feel like it?[/QUOTE]On average, I buy one ladies drink, drink 2 or 3 beers myself, slip cash under table instead of buying second ladies drink, and out of there.

Hey fellow mongers,

I have been to Pattaya for about 2-3 years now. I was just curious on the current bar fines rates for gogo girls on Walking Street, Bar Girls and Soi 6? Do you guys also tip?

Thanks,

YG

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1336767]PS and by the way, whilst I paid a correct 215 taxi meter fare plus 70 for toll from BKK airport to Soi 2 hotel in sukhumvit, on my return trip from the hotel to BKK I opted for 450 all in paid to the hotel limo (oh well. Limo is an overstatement, we all know that, it is a Toyota Camry). Sheeeeeet! I wasted the cost of a beer or two in doing that, what an asshole I am. Now I know why I was thirsty when at the airport.[/QUOTE]What a nice discussion about fares taxi / bus. You overpaid quite heavily from low Suk to Suvarnaphul I hope you know that. Shame on you and you probably increase the going prices for the rest of us. Jokes aside. For me it is all about comfort and I order in most cases fast track and limo pick up at the airport to hotel and return as well. Nothing to do about me having more or less money but comfort comfort. And the Limo is in most countries No limo but a ordinary car as stated here a Camry (sometimes better but rare).

For my BKK. Pattaya trips I allways order car upfront with agreed price (most likely 1500 one way) but then with safetybelt in the back. Normal taxis rarely have that. For me it is a big point not having to drag my luggage around (heat) and I want door to door transportation. And I like to crash and travel alone as well so that is pretty much why I would go by taxi rather than some sort of bus.

My buddy will be spending 4 months in Jomtien during high season. He would like to hire a live in for that time. Any help on where to find such a lady and the price would be helpful. He is a youthful 60 years old. On the beach I have seen many Euro's of the same age with "girlfriends" around 35 - 45 or so, for weeks at a time. Myself I am still a working stiff who can only put together 8 weeks and I like the variety of hitting Walking Street most nites, although a certain cute spinner at Baby Dolls keeps me company a couple days a week. Thanks for any advice.

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1337914]My buddy will be spending 4 months in Jomtien during high season. He would like to hire a live in for that time. Any help on where to find such a lady and the price would be helpful. He is a youthful 60 years old. On the beach I have seen many Euro's of the same age with "girlfriends" around 35 - 45 or so, for weeks at a time. Myself I am still a working stiff who can only put together 8 weeks and I like the variety of hitting Walking Street most nites, although a certain cute spinner at Baby Dolls keeps me company a couple days a week. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]Cruise some bar beers and interview promising candidates. Take them home and test out how well they take dicktation (sic). If satisfactory, informally contract for whatever time period is required and set clear financial guidelines. Non-performance is a cause for immediate dismissal. Start over with the above outline, never throw good money after bad. He could follow this program daily if so desired.

Make copy's of all her ID. If something untoward happens you have the info the police will require to locate her and redress your problems.

Josh

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1337914]My buddy will be spending 4 months in Jomtien during high season. He would like to hire a live in for that time. Any help on where to find such a lady and the price would be helpful. He is a youthful 60 years old. On the beach I have seen many Euro's of the same age with "girlfriends" around 35 - 45 or so, for weeks at a time. Myself I am still a working stiff who can only put together 8 weeks and I like the variety of hitting Walking Street most nites, although a certain cute spinner at Baby Dolls keeps me company a couple days a week. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]Come on GT. You are an experienced monger. Tell him to just go outside and look around and make his own price. But of course as you said variety is best and it keeps the drama down.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1338019]Come on GT.[/QUOTE]That was alot of f__king help

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1338214]That was alot of f__king help[/QUOTE]Jeeez. What happened to "thanks for any advice"?

OK. Here's what I think. I think he has time to shop for this when he gets here. Do a lot of auditions. Price? Good question. I'm guessing 20, 000 or more per month plus he pays for everything, food, phone cards etc etc etc. Also 9 out of 9 will try to play him in some way. If he cares about money it might be good for him to decide in advance what this is worth to him and where he'll draw the line. Just my opinion, but I don't think the issue will be finding someone but finding someone who will not try to bankrupt him and takes good care of him will be the challenge. The less experience he has the happier he will be. There's also the option of advertising for this on CL but that might attract the kind of person who would have her Thai husband throw him off his balcony after getting his atm details.

Just my opinion about how things really work here.

C4T

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1338240]Price? Good question. I'm guessing 20, 000 or more per month plus he pays for everything, food, phone cards etc etc etc.[/QUOTE]10,000 + food is more than enough provided she is not keeping a place that she has to pay rent for and is only staying with him. Example: my rent is 4,500/month. So if she has a place as well just tack that amount onto the 10,000.

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1337914]My buddy will be spending 4 months in Jomtien during high season. He would like to hire a live in for that time. Any help on where to find such a lady and the price would be helpful. He is a youthful 60 years old. On the beach I have seen many Euro's of the same age with "girlfriends" around 35 - 45 or so, for weeks at a time. Myself I am still a working stiff who can only put together 8 weeks and I like the variety of hitting Walking Street most nites, although a certain cute spinner at Baby Dolls keeps me company a couple days a week. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]GT,

Does your " live in " mean your friend expects her to just clean and cook or are we implying the added duty of f-king him?

Based on your remarks he is a youthful 60 years old and like them around 35-45 or so, in my opinion the older they are the price should go down certainly if they look their age which means less customers?

Certainly picking one must be only be done after he has seen and been with her. It certainly would not be wise to hire one and have them meet you at the airport to take care of him hand and foot? As noted, By C4, if he was a wise old man he would take some time and do auditions before selecting.

As for only 10, 000 baht plus food, I'm not sure but lets not rule it out. It would as noted if she doesn't have a place to live and staying / sharing with a friend and she isn't getting barfine etc. Along with not having a kid or any immediate responsibility. Most likely it will be somewhere in the range of 20, 000/30, 000 thereafter you have to worry about her honesty and trust that when its time to leave she doesn't leave with your stuff before you come home?

Good luck, tell your friend he's 60 now! Go it alone the headache isn't worth it unless he ends up finding a gem?

LBM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1338247]10,000 + food is more than enough provided she is not keeping a place that she has to pay rent for and is only staying with him. Example: my rent is 4,500/month. So if she has a place as well just tack that amount onto the 10,000.[/QUOTE]I do think this is possible but I think he would have to get lucky and find someone not already obligated to a bar or some other job. Finding someone truly unemployed and available might be just dumb luck. Unless he pulls from beach road and then who knows what kind of package deal that is. Actually that part is true for anyone. Still, I think he has reason to be optimistic as some gal will view him as a long term sponsor and do everything she can to play the long game instead of the short game. And as LBM says, there could be a big difference in the perceived value of a 45 yo vs a 35 yo. Lot's of my short time adventures are in the 35 yo range and those ladies are making easily 20, 000 per month and many of them more than that.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1338311]Lot's of my short time adventures are in the 35 yo range and those ladies are making easily 20, 000 per month and many of them more than that.[/QUOTE]C4T,

I admire your generosity. I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you arrive at that figure by extrapolating from your usual fee per day. Girls working the beer bars are making maybe 3-4, 000 B monthly if they make their drink and bar fine quota. Many are lucky, in that age range, to pick up more that a few BF a month. A hot looking 35 yo in a go-go could reach your estimate easily if she was an outstanding performer. Still, all said. 20, 000 B for a month of on demand sex toy action is a bargain. 714 B daily (28d mo) seems to be a more than fair deal if you resist the gold dealer trips and the sick relative ploys.

Be cautious always when Thais talk money as they often equate that with status and like to give the impression they are big-time girls (same as many punters). Don't get the impression that they are only that way with farang. The only people they lie to more than farang are other Thais.

Josh

[QUOTE=Josh Inyu; 1338430]C4T,

I admire your generosity. I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you arrive at that figure by extrapolating from your usual fee per day.

Josh[/QUOTE]Nah, I'm just guessing. I do most of my mongering in BKK and still mostly do 1000 baht short times and some 2000+ baht at the PSE massage places.

I do hope that G&T reports back on the results. I'm sure prices for this will fluctuate far more than they do in the usual P4P venues, which is considerable.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1338247]10,000 + food is more than enough provided she is not keeping a place that she has to pay rent for and is only staying with him. Example: my rent is 4,500/month. So if she has a place as well just tack that amount onto the 10,000.[/QUOTE]Mr. E, you are paying farang rates and probably have air condition?

The couple girls I have known in both BKK and Pattaya pay for their own place (room, with seperate shower and balcony) anywhere 1200 baht to 2800 baht. (Pattaya was definitly the more expensive) These rooms do not have air condition. Electrical is extra. Food is cheap, especially for locals. Their main expense is they have to pay the gold / pawn shops the monthly fees, and their "sisters" who shared with them when they were low on cash.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1338247]10,000 + food is more than enough provided she is not keeping a place that she has to pay rent for and is only staying with him. Example: my rent is 4,500/month. So if she has a place as well just tack that amount onto the 10,000.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this useful advice. When I first took my Baby Dolls hottie LT a couple of years ago she told me she had changed bars from Tiger because at Baby Dolls she could make 10, 000 a month. This seemed low to me but never talked about it again. Could be averaged out over a year.

[QUOTE=Monte Q; 1338981]Mr. E, you are paying farang rates and probably have air condition?

The couple girls I have known in both BKK and Pattaya pay for their own place (room, with seperate shower and balcony) anywhere 1200 baht to 2800 baht. (Pattaya was definitly the more expensive) These rooms do not have air condition. Electrical is extra. Food is cheap, especially for locals. Their main expense is they have to pay the gold / pawn shops the monthly fees, and their "sisters" who shared with them when they were low on cash.[/QUOTE]Mine is 4500 shower and balcony, air conditioner, free internet (which other buildings wanted 600 baht for). I have to pay electric and water as well.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1339299]Mine is 4500 shower and balcony, air conditioner, free internet (which other buildings wanted 600 baht for).[/QUOTE]That's less than $145 USD for a months rent; unbelievably cheap.

I've seen what some of the go-go girls get for 1200-2500 baht. They are filthy dumps with absolutely no amenities. On top pf that most of them have roommates and they all sleep in one bed, (usually just a thin mattress on the floor) often in shifts. Their clothes are piled in heaps on the floor as there are no places to hang them. They are used to living like that and it's probably better than what they have on the farm in Isaan.

If the go-go girls are living like that you can imagine how the beer bar girls, street vendors and shop girls must live; no doubt in hovels with common shower and toilet facilities for an entire floor of tenants.

No wonder the girls think all us farangs are rich.

[QUOTE=Monte Q; 1338981]Mr. E, you are paying farang rates and probably have air condition?

The couple girls I have known in both BKK and Pattaya pay for their own place (room, with seperate shower and balcony) anywhere 1200 baht to 2800 baht. (Pattaya was definitly the more expensive) These rooms do not have air condition. Electrical is extra. Food is cheap, especially for locals. Their main expense is they have to pay the gold / pawn shops the monthly fees, and their "sisters" who shared with them when they were low on cash.[/QUOTE]Yes, these are not only farang prices but one has to remember that the price Mr. E, pays includes the furniture. Bed, tables, T. V, A / C unit and a hot water shower unit. In Pattaya, the prices from my experience is pretty close to 1500/3000 baht all depending on the area for just a empty room (studio) no hot water and no a / see. The lower the cost the worse it looks, many 1500 baht rooms do not have a sit down toilet. Every baht must be look after so if they are working girls, most likely you will not even see a refrigerator, they have 1 fan, and roll up mats and sleep on the floor, no tables, no sofa, even if they aren't working girls just a small place like this is very common for a Thai family to live in with 4 to 5 people. The less one pays the worse it gets from my experience. Many Thais are just slum lords!

LBM

Hello my lady loving brothers,

First time poster but I found your posts / info / experiences invaluable during my 1st trip to Pattaya (in July- Been Thailand many times but was the 1st time to Pattaya).

Just seeing if anyone up for hitting up a few beer bars (afternoon) , gogo`s (evening) or night clubs (late night) with me between Nov 7- Nov 21.

Don't matter if you young in body / mind or just young in spirit, as long as you love the ladies and up to cause a little chaos / mischief.

Send me a PM if your down.

First round of drinks are on me!

Take care

The main risk with live in gfs is that you run the risk of having live in children that you have to raise and send to school, college, etc. As well. Be careful.

I went to the Eastern bus station on Tuesday to get the bus to Pattaya. As soon as I got there I was guided to the ticket office by a tout. I paid my 130 assuming it was for a regular bus, and went to look for it. The tout guided me to a white minibus in the first bay. Seemed a good deal so I got in and waited for it to fill, which did not take too long.

The problem was when we got to Pattaya. We stopped on the main road which goes the length of it, at a filling station. The tout, who had come along, claimed it was the bus station and dumped my case on the road. All the other farangs. About four. Were told to get off.

There was only one pick up waiting, and a few taxi motorcycles. The pickup driver. Large and aggressive like the tout. Demanded 100 each to take everyone to their hotels. That was bad enough, but he wanted it in advance. I was so pissed off I negotiated with a moto for 70. So by risking my life I saved 30 bhat. We made it to the hotel, balancing my case between us, and I paid the driver when we got there. It was quite a way.

Obviously the minibus driver has a deal with the bhat bus to meet in the middle of nowhere. The lesson is to always do the opposite of what touts recommend. But I was wasted after a night in Bangkok, and not thinking clearly.

In general the bus is a good option. It is easy to get to the Eastern station from the SRT. The lesson is to get the regular bus, which is run by a company which can be found on the internet, and goes to their station in north Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1339299]Mine is 4500 shower and balcony, air conditioner, free internet (which other buildings wanted 600 baht for). I have to pay electric and water as well.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that the building was built in February 2006. We have a pool table, some picnic tables, video games, a pay water machine. 2 washers and 1 dryer downstairs at the entrance. There is also a hair salon and a lady who cooks take out / delivery orders. Cable is free as well. A TV came with the place but I gave it back and bought a 32" flat screen Toshiba for 10000 baht at what was then Carrefour. We also have an elevator and closed circuit TV so you can turn to channel 79 or something and see who is at the door downstairs. You have to have a keycard to come into the door and security is there from like 6pm to 6am. The building is 5 floors and the tenants are young Thais (pretty much all female and a couple of gay guys), a couple of guys from America such as myself, a couple of guys from Europe, and a couple of guys from Africa. I think most of the farang who stay in the building have a Thai gf who lives with them.

[QUOTE=MrFunktastic;1339440]Just seeing if anyone up for hitting up a few beer bars (afternoon) , gogo`s (evening) or night clubs (late night) with me between Nov 7- Nov 21. Don't matter if you young in body / mind or just young in spirit, as long as you love the ladies and up to cause a little chaos / mischief. Send me a PM if your down. First round of drinks are on me![/QUOTE]If it's for free it's for me! Too bad you don't have PM capabilities.

[QUOTE=JimboJ; 1339526]I went to the Eastern bus station on Tuesday to get the bus to Pattaya. As soon as I got there I was guided to the ticket office by a tout. I paid my 130 assuming it was for a regular bus, and went to look for it. The tout guided me to a white minibus in the first bay. Seemed a good deal so I got in and waited for it to fill, which did not take too long.

The problem was when we got to Pattaya. We stopped on the main road which goes the length of it, at a filling station. The tout, who had come along, claimed it was the bus station and dumped my case on the road. All the other farangs. About four. Were told to get off.

There was only one pick up waiting, and a few taxi motorcycles. The pickup driver. Large and aggressive like the tout. Demanded 100 each to take everyone to their hotels. That was bad enough, but he wanted it in advance. I was so pissed off I negotiated with a moto for 70. So by risking my life I saved 30 bhat. We made it to the hotel, balancing my case between us, and I paid the driver when we got there. It was quite a way.

Obviously the minibus driver has a deal with the bhat bus to meet in the middle of nowhere. The lesson is to always do the opposite of what touts recommend. But I was wasted after a night in Bangkok, and not thinking clearly.

In general the bus is a good option. It is easy to get to the Eastern station from the SRT. The lesson is to get the regular bus, which is run by a company which can be found on the internet, and goes to their station in north Pattaya.[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound like a ripoff. You said you paid your money in the ticket office. Only 130 baht. Then only 100 for the baht bus to go to a specific location. The private baht bus usually will cost you at least 150. If you go to Big C you will see a board with the prices for private baht buses.

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1339526]There was only one pick up waiting, and a few taxi motorcycles. The pickup driver. Large and aggressive like the tout. Demanded 100 each to take everyone to their hotels. That was bad enough, but he wanted it in advance. I was so pissed off I negotiated with a moto for 70. So by risking my life I saved 30 bhat. We made it to the hotel, balancing my case between us, and I paid the driver when we got there. It was quite a way.[/QUOTE]Why not just take a motorcycle taxi all the way from BKK to Pattaya? You could probably save almost 60 baht!

[QUOTE=JimboJ; 1339526]I went to the Eastern bus station on Tuesday to get the bus to Pattaya. As soon as I got there I was guided to the ticket office by a tout. I paid my 130 assuming it was for a regular bus, and went to look for it. The tout guided me to a white minibus in the first bay. Seemed a good deal so I got in and waited for it to fill, which did not take too long.

The problem was when we got to Pattaya. We stopped on the main road which goes the length of it, at a filling station. The tout, who had come along, claimed it was the bus station and dumped my case on the road. All the other farangs. About four. Were told to get off.

There was only one pick up waiting, and a few taxi motorcycles. The pickup driver. Large and aggressive like the tout. Demanded 100 each to take everyone to their hotels. That was bad enough, but he wanted it in advance. I was so pissed off I negotiated with a moto for 70. So by risking my life I saved 30 bhat. We made it to the hotel, balancing my case between us, and I paid the driver when we got there. It was quite a way.

Obviously the minibus driver has a deal with the bhat bus to meet in the middle of nowhere. The lesson is to always do the opposite of what touts recommend. But I was wasted after a night in Bangkok, and not thinking clearly.

In general the bus is a good option. It is easy to get to the Eastern station from the SRT. The lesson is to get the regular bus, which is run by a company which can be found on the internet, and goes to their station in north Pattaya.[/QUOTE]The name of the real bus company, from Ekamai Bus Terminal is Roong Reuang Coach. It's the second window on the right clearly marked Pattaya. 124 Baht. Nearly as fast of a taxi. Never go with a tout (barker) for a bus, taxi or anything else.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1339694]The name of the real bus company, from Ekamai Bus Terminal is Roong Reuang Coach. It's the second window on the right clearly marked Pattaya. 124 Baht. Nearly as fast of a taxi. Never go with a tout (barker) for a bus, taxi or anything else.[/QUOTE]Confirmed! I do this routing often for the day into Bangkok, if you go to the window as noted by J. J. The current price is in fact 124 Baht, you should get a slip with a tear off portion and that slip should tell you the time and give you a seat number! Roony Reuang Coach as far as I know doesn't provide Mini Bus, inside the terminal there are some private booths. There are independent touts as you noted that are on the look out for guys like you coming to the station that stick out. Roong Reuang coach doesn't go hunting for customers!

This is a scam in my opinion! I know this area across from the Bangkok / Pattaya hospital the filling station, The Roong Reuang coach makes stops prior to getting into Pattaya and along Sukhumvit but that is at the request of the passenger and not the driver. The final destination is always a right on Sukhumvit into Pattaya Nua to the station itself.

Live and learn the bus is a good alternative in my opinion.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1339714]Live and learn the bus is a good alternative in my opinion.LBM[/QUOTE]I have done the BKK-Pattaya bus trip (both ways) from the Eastern bus station. It was ok, and is how the locals travel. But the cost getting to / from the bus stations and your hotel must also be considered. Plus the waiting time at both stations (with no aircon) can be a PITA.

All things considered I find Bell Travel to be the best mix of price, time, comfort, and convenience. In my experience they run an extremely reliable and professional operation:

[url]http://www.belltravelservice.com/[/url]

SunLover

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1340232 (in the Bangkok Massage Parlors thread) ] Nic,

If I am correct Luvpuss, M. O. Is that he most likely is slumming it? Bangkok Rodeo Drive suits etc. Most likely isn't in any of his plans except puss?

Since your opinion is anyone visiting Pattaya or living is scumming in the slum?

LBM[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1340392]Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Pattaya is a Shit hole and mostly due to the lowlives that are roaming there.

I have been there many times for business and I hate the place.

Mind you, anything in the Ban Amphur or Bang Saray area (Fisherman Village) is fine, great beach and nice places. But Downtown Pattaya is just Nasty.[/QUOTE]

Of course, I agree with Frenchy on his excellent assessment: Pattaya is definitely a 'slum'; anyone living or visiting Pattaya is 'slumming it, ' I. E. 'scumming in the slum'; the place is a 'shit hole' because of all the 'lowlives' roaming around everywhere; and Pattaya downtown is just 'Nasty. '

Anyone who has unlimited cash in his wallet is going to see it that way. Anyone who spends 3000 baht for lunch at only the finest restaurants, who eats imported duck livers for snacks, and will never under any circumstances eat Thai street food is going to see it that way.

Anyone who can afford and always insists upon only the very finest in food, wine, liquor, women, clothes, transportation, accommodations, and services is going to compare Pattaya to his familiar rich man's haunts in Bangkok and invariably conclude that Pattaya is a cesspool.

After all, there is no place in Pattaya where the swell, the wealthy man, can enjoy a 3000 baht haircut, a 10000 baht bottle of wine, and the best of everything else; all of that exists only in Bangkok.

Yes, the wealthy swell sees 'anything in the Ban Amphur or Bang Saray area (Fisherman Village) is fine, great beach and nice places' for a weekend vacation, but only a weekend will do because there is no sex to be found in those venues unless one brings his own. And in that regard, the swell can always afford the best. He doesn't have to lower himself to look in even the best of places in Pattaya.

So of course I agree. If a monger has unlimited funds at his disposal; if his wallet is fat with reams of 1000 baht notes; if he insists on having only the very best of all things, he should stick to Bangkok and stay away from Pattaya shit hole, except perhaps on business or on other occasions when he has no other choice. It's obvious.

Daddy07,

Nic, got to let himself go sometimes? It must be tough having to wait up early and spend so much time getting himself ready for work. What shirt, what suit, what shoe, it must nice to be on top in your penthouse in Bangkok. I thought I saw a Nic the other day at the Pattaya Hilton getting out in his Limo, all starch up in his GQ outfit while the bellhop was struggling with all his Polo baggage staying the night just for a morning conference?

Enjoy, LBM

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1339526]So by risking my life I saved 30 bhat(sic). We made it to the hotel, balancing my case between us, and I paid the driver when we got there. It was quite a way.[/QUOTE]Even to me your life is worth more than a buck. Try and keep it all in perspective man. Why waste the adrenaline getting upset over every little real or imagined injustice? Face the fact you will never, ever, get the Thai price for anything. Save the adrenaline for your babe's.

Josh

is cof included in the service at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], or does it have to be negotiated as an extra?

[quote=el ted;1340477]is cof included in the service at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], or does it have to be negotiated as an extra?[/quote]i've done cim at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss lounge. i never asked about cof but i'm guessing that's acceptable (just ask the lady before you take her upstairs to confirm) since cof isn't any worse / grosser than a cim unless it messes up her make-up. considering the 100s (or 1, 000s) of bjs these ladies have performed if they've worked there for some time, they're likely accustomed to cof, cim, pearl necklaces.

remember to report your findings in a trip report.

thanks in advance

[QUOTE=MrFunktastic; 1339440]Hello my lady loving brothers,

First time poster but I found your posts / info / experiences invaluable during my 1st trip to Pattaya (in July- Been Thailand many times but was the 1st time to Pattaya).

Just seeing if anyone up for hitting up a few beer bars (afternoon) , gogo`s (evening) or night clubs (late night) with me between Nov 7- Nov 21.

Don't matter if you young in body / mind or just young in spirit, as long as you love the ladies and up to cause a little chaos / mischief.

Send me a PM if your down.

First round of drinks are on me!

Take care[/QUOTE]I will arrive on Nov 19th. If anyone wants to grab a beer or hangout PM me.

Sorry brothers, I just realized I don`t have msg capabilities.

Fiancee checks my CC bills so having Internationalsexguide. Com on there probably not a great idea LOL!

But the offer still stands, if anyone wants to meet up and have a few drinks in Patts between Nov 7- Nov 21.

(Leggy11)

Great name also mate!

I have yet booked / paid for accommodation as yet as I like to go with the flow on most occasions but I know / stayed in a few clean, nice places around walking ST eg galaxy suites and previously I've stayed in Areca and Baywalk residences, which I found were quite nice hotels with good facilities.

But it sounds more to me that your question was more to make a recommendation?

I will be in Pattaya staying at Areca Lodge Nov 17-Dec 1. If anyone wants to have a beer and hang out, PM me! I'm from Northern California. I'll buy the first beer!

Red

Walking on Beach road around 0400, a paddy wagon [pick up truck] pulls up and police seem to come in from all sides using flashlights herding all the women on beach road toward the pickup.

About 5 minutes later all are gone, and no women to be seen on beach road [some slowly returning from across the street].

Talk to a few women opposite beach road and they tell me that the girls are arrested and are able to secure their release for 200 Baht tea money. They indicate the sweeps can happen multiple times a night.

Seems a bit harsh. Perhaps unrealistic, I can't see it making economic sense to sit on beach road all night and pay 200-600 baht for the privilege. Perhaps I got some of the information incorrect, otherwise beach road wouldn't have such a persistent population?

-

Ran into one of my go-go girls hiding out in a 7-11 too, seems it was a slow day for her, and she hit the beach. Meaning it is possible to pull go-go quality on beach at least after the clubs close.

Whats the normal taxi fare to Pattaya from BKK (Nana area)

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1337914]My buddy will be spending 4 months in Jomtien during high season. He would like to hire a live in for that time. Any help on where to find such a lady and the price would be helpful. He is a youthful 60 years old. On the beach I have seen many Euro's of the same age with "girlfriends" around 35 - 45 or so, for weeks at a time. Myself I am still a working stiff who can only put together 8 weeks and I like the variety of hitting Walking Street most nites, although a certain cute spinner at Baby Dolls keeps me company a couple days a week. Thanks for any advice.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I stayed in Pattaya for 20 days and hired this girl. Very good services, nice cheerful and honest.

She is around 35 now and her name is Mook dee.

[QUOTE=MrFunktastic; 1341523]Sorry brothers, I just realized I don`t have msg capabilities.

Fiancee checks my CC bills so having Internationalsexguide. Com on there probably not a great idea LOL!

But the offer still stands, if anyone wants to meet up and have a few drinks in Patts between Nov 7- Nov 21.[/QUOTE]Not to worry, charge shows as a charity. I tell my wife it's for helping children in Brazil. I think I read something like that here once before.

Correct me if I am wrong, been contributing to the "charity" for several years.

Slim

[QUOTE=Null Avenger; 1341839]Walking on Beach road around 0400, a paddy wagon [pick up truck] pulls up and police seem to come in from all sides using flashlights herding all the women on beach road toward the pickup.

About 5 minutes later all are gone, and no women to be seen on beach road [some slowly returning from across the street].

Talk to a few women opposite beach road and they tell me that the girls are arrested and are able to secure their release for 200 Baht tea money. They indicate the sweeps can happen multiple times a night.

Seems a bit harsh. Perhaps unrealistic, I can't see it making economic sense to sit on beach road all night and pay 200-600 baht for the privilege. Perhaps I got some of the information incorrect, otherwise beach road wouldn't have such a persistent population?

-

Ran into one of my go-go girls hiding out in a 7-11 too, seems it was a slow day for her, and she hit the beach. Meaning it is possible to pull go-go quality on beach at least after the clubs close.[/QUOTE]Tea money, aside from providing a show as if they are actually doing something? This time of the year including May which again they were doing this is prime time for Tea Money! School has been out for a few weeks basically here it is like Spring break (Mid-term) and school just open. The bi-Annual installment for school is due!

Helmet check will most likely increase too, setup nightly at corner of Pattaya Tai and just off 3rd Road, Pattaya Klang (near tuk tuk taxi parking) off Sukhumvit, corner of Pattaya Tai and 2nd Road heading toward Marine Plaza across from police box, Beach Road, just outside police station Soi 9, ride on the right as you pass, and stay there since usually they have a second stop just past Central Festival entrance, top of 2nd road and Dolphin circle heading to Naklua, and watch out now for lefting left at intersection with sign that says " waiting light, turn left " this I understand means you can't turn and before you do on a red, edge out and look left to see if there is a police setup before doing so?

LBM

[QUOTE=Null Avenger; 1341839]Walking on Beach road around 0400, a paddy wagon [pick up truck] pulls up and police seem to come in from all sides using flashlights herding all the women on beach road toward the pickup.

About 5 minutes later all are gone, and no women to be seen on beach road [some slowly returning from across the street].

Talk to a few women opposite beach road and they tell me that the girls are arrested and are able to secure their release for 200 Baht tea money. They indicate the sweeps can happen multiple times a night.

Seems a bit harsh. Perhaps unrealistic, I can't see it making economic sense to sit on beach road all night and pay 200-600 baht for the privilege. Perhaps I got some of the information incorrect, otherwise beach road wouldn't have such a persistent population?[/QUOTE]According to this article they can only be charged with loitering which carries a 100 baht fine. Once a girl in Nana Plaza in Bangkok told me they had to pay 1000 baht tea money when they were picked up.

"Laws dictate that unless evidence is collated which proves they are involved in prostitution or other criminal acts they can only be fined for loitering which is what they were charged for on Saturday morning. 100 Baht fines were paid"

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/593870-40-transsexuals-arrested-by-pattaya-police-in-beach-road-sweep/[/url]

There's not much plausible denial they can argue for because they are in the same stretch of beach every single night of the year. Not to mention that unlike foreigners, locals can pretty much identify working girls from their various 'tells. ' They might get out of a few night's fees by making stuff up, but in the end, they just pay up (as the police don't let up either as they have their own financial issues).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1342120]According to this article they can only be charged with loitering which carries a 100 baht fine. Once a girl in Nana Plaza in Bangkok told me they had to pay 1000 baht tea money when they were picked up.

"Laws dictate that unless evidence is collated which proves they are involved in prostitution or other criminal acts they can only be fined for loitering which is what they were charged for on Saturday morning. 100 Baht fines were paid"

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/593870-40-transsexuals-arrested-by-pattaya-police-in-beach-road-sweep/[/url][/QUOTE]Does this mean we can be charged with loitering on Beach Road, too?

[QUOTE=XaviMessi; 1341963]Hello,

I stayed in Pattaya for 20 days and hired this girl. Very good services, nice cheerful and honest.

She is around 35 now and her name is Mook dee.[/QUOTE]So what do you pay her for the 20 days?

If you're on a budget then Pattaya is your town. It doesn't matter where your hotel / guesthouse is, the city is so small, hop on the baht bus and you'll be there in a few minutes. I saved huge on hotel / guesthouse, paying roughly half of what I would pay in BKK per night! Food is cheap too! And the Beach Road girls will complete the picture of perfect monger happiness. Most will go for 500 ST and available 24 hours a day. Really! One night I went to sleep early be / see of hangover and I woke up at 4am and went to BR and viola! I got a girl for 500.

Walking Street is flashy and all that, but it's really geared towards tourists. Next time I would stay away from there. And spend more time on soi 6.

Yes, I would go back to Pattaya.

Spaceman

Years before after loitering whole night in walking street arrived on the Gate at 4. 00 am. Suddenly a slim well shaped girl rushed out from the beach road in front of me. Instantly my whole body and mind refreshed out from the whole night tiresome hangover. My eyes glued on her and I asked does she want to go with me or not. She claimed 500bht for short time. I laughed out and pointed her about the police raid on the beach road. I made some silly jokes with her and offered 800bht for the whole day (not for some couple of hours). She jumped on it and stick to my arm, ok let's go. Her eagerness made me so astonished and it was been clearly felt her fearing and the tendency for running out from the raid scene.

Ye, I did not paid her only 800bht for the whole day. She just a GF and absolutely nice in all aspects. I paid her 1500bht and paid all the expanses was in need to stay with me whole day.

I always pay thanks to myself, not to grab the cheap advantage was been offered by the police raid on beach road on that night.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1342120]According to this article they can only be charged with loitering which carries a 100 baht fine. Once a girl in Nana Plaza in Bangkok told me they had to pay 1000 baht tea money when they were picked up.

"Laws dictate that unless evidence is collated which proves they are involved in prostitution or other criminal acts they can only be fined for loitering which is what they were charged for on Saturday morning. 100 Baht fines were paid"

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/593870-40-transsexuals-arrested-by-pattaya-police-in-beach-road-sweep/[/url][/QUOTE]The police in Bangkok get 1000 baht off the street loitering sex workers.

In Pattaya the police aren't so bright. They only get 100.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13; 1342487]If you're on a budget then Pattaya is your town. It doesn't matter where your hotel / guesthouse is, the city is so small, hop on the baht bus and you'll be there in a few minutes. I saved huge on hotel / guesthouse, paying roughly half of what I would pay in BKK per night! Food is cheap too! And the Beach Road girls will complete the picture of perfect monger happiness. Most will go for 500 ST and available 24 hours a day. Really! One night I went to sleep early be / see of hangover and I woke up at 4am and went to BR and viola! I got a girl for 500.

Walking Street is flashy and all that, but it's really geared towards tourists. Next time I would stay away from there. And spend more time on soi 6.

Yes, I would go back to Pattaya.

Spaceman[/QUOTE]Good report. I did the same last week at 4am. They are usually outside the KFC near Royal Garden mall. I was at the Marriott next door. Just walk out the back of Marriott to BR and take your pick.

[QUOTE=MrFunktastic; 1341523]Sorry brothers, I just realized I don`t have msg capabilities.

Fiancee checks my CC bills so having Internationalsexguide. Com on there probably not a great idea LOL!

But the offer still stands, if anyone wants to meet up and have a few drinks in Patts between Nov 7- Nov 21.

(Leggy11)

Great name also mate!

I have yet booked / paid for accommodation as yet as I like to go with the flow on most occasions but I know / stayed in a few clean, nice places around walking ST eg galaxy suites and previously I've stayed in Areca and Baywalk residences, which I found were quite nice hotels with good facilities.

But it sounds more to me that your question was more to make a recommendation?[/QUOTE]All you have to do is buy a prepaid visa and she will never have to know. Where there is an honest will there is a dishonest way.

Happy pooning, leknomforme

[quote=amex spg; 1341068]i've done cim at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss lounge. i never asked about cof but i'm guessing that's acceptable (just ask the lady before you take her upstairs to confirm) since cof isn't any worse / grosser than a cim unless it messes up her make-up. considering the 100s (or 1, 000s) of bjs these ladies have performed if they've worked there for some time, they're likely accustomed to cof, cim, pearl necklaces.

remember to report your findings in a trip report.

thanks in advance[/quote]amex,

i was at pattaya 2 weeks ago when to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] around 6pm this place is going down hill all my favorite girl like bee and anna is gone all dogs are working there now, i don't see getting a bbbj for 700bht i can go to beach road and get fs from a average girl for 500 bht or go to soi 6 and get a hot girl for 1000-bht st, didn't go to bliss lounge this time there are some nice cute girl working there back in may but skill is poor.

fast eddie 48

At the risk of highlighting my own stupidity, but in the hope that it saves at least one of you guys a similar fate I will relate my own sad Haloween tale in Pattaya. I've gone into some detail to give guys an idea of some of thh warning signs to look out for.

At around 2pm I found myself down in Walking Street intending to check out a few GoGos and then maybe hook up with someone a bit later. A cute slim girl around 24 approached me from the other direction and asked where I was going. She said her friend and her didn't have anywhere to stay and could they come with me to my room? I asked how much they had in mind. She said 500B which I was pleasantly surprised at at as the normal rate would be 1000B. I said did she mean for each girl, no she said between them as they were tired and wanted somewhere to stay. Though the first girl was a cute petite slim girl her friend, similar age was chubby, dressed plainly was a single mum, but did have firm boobs, she might have struggled to find someone on her own. My main concern was that they would end up saying 500B each but they insisted 500B between them.

LESSON 1: If the price quoted is way below market without any haggling be very suspicious.

They asked where I was staying and if the hotel needed an I'd card. They said they didn't have I'd cards and if I thought they would not be allowed in, better not bother. I said yes the Hotel needed I'd cards but usually I could offer to "guarantee" them and they would be left in so off we went. (BIG MISTAKE)

LESSON 2: The I'd card rules in Pattaya, seem like a pain in the ass, especially as it is often the cuter girls on beach road who inevitably don't have I'd cards. Dudley from Penthouse hotel has been banging on to me about this issue for many years. But I have been too stupid / arrogant to listen. Without an I'd card the police or anyone else has almost no chance of catching these girls. With an I'd card on record most girls would probably be too frightened to commit suchna crime (unless it was fake.) Moreover the more upmarket hotels have a policy of ringing the customer to check if its OK to release the girls before allowing them to exit. I was staying in a cheapish place In LK Metro which though has 24 hour front desk staffing doesn't have this policy.

The girls sid they were hungry and asked to go to 7 11 before we went to the room. They didn't want to eat from the street stalls which most girls prefer and were disappointed when I said I didn't drink beer so we ended up with just some tea, crisps and water. Once in the room, I took a shower followed by the cuter girl who had an excellent slim body. The plump girl found a bag of lichees and started to tuck in then went to shower.

Once we had all showered the cute girl climbed aboard and was highly proficient, the plump girl also played her role using her surprisingly firm boobs. In general I was pretty happy with the experience, Afterwards the plump girl fed me a couple of rambutan mouth to mouth, they tasted not 100% right, but I thought maybe just a bad lot of rambutan. As I didn't have anything to drink, I can only think that she managed to somehow spike the rambutan before feeding them to me.

They said they would like to stay the night, so I turned off my ipad which had been playing and put it in my suitcase, locked it and put the key in my trouser pocket in a high wardrobe cupboard. Normally I am a light sleeper, particualrly in this type of situation but I must have fallen asleep within a minute. Next thing I knew was about 2pm the following day when housekeeping called to see if I wanted the room cleaned. The girls had gone, and I went to check my case. It was locked but when I opened it there was now ipad, camera, GBP cash, PHP cash, Android pads in all around USD 2000 worth of stuff was missing."Fortunately" they had left my 2 laptops, and metal cashbox where I keep my passport and credit cards. I felt very groggy for quite afew hours, almost unable to walk straight and not thinking too clearly. Of course without their IDs the hotel had no interest. Because I am on a long trip I don't have insurance though in theory I have some limited insurance from my Credit card company I'm not sure if is valid for long trips however.

So in summary, I'm pretty pissed off. Of course it could have been much worse, no physical injuries and they could have taken the laptops, cash box with passports / cards and my newer camera but that's scant concilation for such a big hit.

I have never liked the bar fine system in Thailand and have typically gone for freelancers 95% of the time this works out fine, but this was certainly one of the remaining 5. I think one way to look at the bar fines is as something of an insurance premium against this type of incident.

GL, thank you for your report on the 2 thieves w / o I'd's. I believe your type of post takes courage, and is very helpful. Dangers exist even in LOS, and that can't be forgotten. I'm sorry to hear this happenned. However I'm certain the cuter girl was very skillful in her charms. You're not the first she's convinced, and probably not the last.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1344545]At the risk of highlighting my own stupidity, but in the hope that it saves at least one of you guys a similar fate I will relate my own sad Haloween tale in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Since you don't drink beer, I assume you were not intoxicated, unless you had something else. Must have been the little head doing the thinking. The good thing is that you are a live! As you said, it could have been worse (a lot worse).

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1344545]The girls sid they were hungry and asked to go to 7 11 before we went to the room. They didn't want to eat from the street stalls which most girls prefer and were disappointed when I said I didn't drink beer[/QUOTE]To me this is the second indication that something was amiss. As you said the first one was an extraordinary low price.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1344545]They said they would like to stay the night, so I turned off my ipad which had been playing and put it in my suitcase, locked it and put the key in my trouser pocket in a high wardrobe cupboard. Normally I am a light sleeper, particualrly in this type of situation but I must have fallen asleep within a minute. Next thing I knew was about 2pm the following day when housekeeping called to see if I wanted the room cleaned. The girls had gone, and I went to check my case. It was locked but when I opened it there was now ipad, camera, GBP cash, PHP cash, Android pads in all around USD 2000 worth of stuff was missing.[/QUOTE]Come on GL. You are supposed to be an experienced monger. Key in your pants pocket? That is the first place they will look. Try putting it between the liner and the trash can or behind a picture that is on the wall next time. The liner inside of my suitcase has a zipper so I even put it behind that sometimes (although it wouldn't help if you had valuables inside the suitcase itself).

I haven't seen you on Pattaya Daily News yet so you must not have reported it. I will be on the lookout for those two crooks.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1344776]Since you don't drink beer, I assume you were not intoxicated, unless you had something else. Must have been the little head doing the thinking. The good thing is that you are a live! As you said, it could have been worse (a lot worse).[/QUOTE]Yes I hadn't been drinking or taking anything else so you are right that what in the cold light of day looks like a series of reckless decisions has to be put down to thinking with the wrong part of my anatomy. One is used to the idea of people getting in trouble with ladyboys or perhaps obviously "rough" types but (and it should be a lesson to all) this girl looked very sweet, innocent and spoke quite good English, whilst her friend was a little chubby spoke quite basic English but was friendly enough. But of course the most successful thieves don't look like thieves. I have had similar situations where it was getting late and girls did just want to come back for the night for relatively small money just because they didn't want to go back to their room for some reason but this should have been the big warning.

I have checked some of the emails I sent to various people the day after and I was typing absolute gibberish and I can remember not being able to walk properly so whatever drug they gave me must have taken the best part of a day to wear off so if anyone does find themselves in a similar position try and find someone you trust to keep an eye on you for a while afterwards as I was probably quite vulnerable to further theft / accidents during that time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1344780]To me this is the second indication that something was amiss. As you said the first one was an extraordinary low price.

Come on GL. You are supposed to be an experienced monger. Key in your pants pocket? That is the first place they will look. Try putting it between the liner and the trash can or behind a picture that is on the wall next time. The liner inside of my suitcase has a zipper so I even put it behind that sometimes (although it wouldn't help if you had valuables inside the suitcase itself).

I haven't seen you on Pattaya Daily News yet so you must not have reported it. I will be on the lookout for those two crooks.[/QUOTE]Sadly I'm not insured so I'm not sure there is much to be gained from reporting it to the police as the description that I could give could fit 1000s of girls in Patts. I also only learned in retrospect that one can implement various security measures on an ipad such as Find My Ipad, lock or wipe the data remotely. If anyone is travelling with an ipad this may be worth looking into BEFORE something like this happens, though I guess if they are real pros they will reformat the thing PDQ after stealing it.

Come on GL. You are supposed to be an experienced monger. Key in your pants pocket? That is the first place they will look. Try putting it between the liner and the trash can or behind a picture that is on the wall next time. The liner inside of my suitcase has a zipper so I even put it behind that sometimes (although it wouldn't help if you had valuables inside the suitcase itself).

I alway use a Combination lock for my suitcase. They are more secure and you don't have to worry about losing your key or some picking the lock. The TSA locks are find for the airport but a lot of Non-TSA workers have they master key to open these type of locks.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1344780]I haven't seen you on Pattaya Daily News yet so you must not have reported it. I will be on the lookout for those two crooks.[/QUOTE]Looks like there are many more, not just the two of them. Thanks for the report GL.

Check the links,

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/64685/drugging-robbery-german-tourist-central-pattaya-guest-house/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/64433/italian-tourist-drugged-robbed-central-pattaya-hotel-room/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/62001/englishman-drugged-robbed-female-companion-met-south-pattaya/[/url]

Regards,

A

these approved tsa locks, keys or combination are just that approved for them to open and inspect your luggage without loosing a lot of time. the combinations are pre-set by the manufacture usually to 000? 0. i use one for procedure sake and set it at 0000, for if they select my bag they can just open it, when i get my bag i look at the lock and look at the setting, if the number have moved then i know someone has enter the bag? if tsa opened it, it is standard procedure to place a slip indicating they have inspected your bag. if one isn't there the chances is most likely a baggage handler checked your bag? that i would be more worried about.

as for gl, rule is if it is too good to be true then it is exactly that? you are right about everything your wrote about yourself. you might want to be more consistent with how you protect your stuff, so many contridictions like you making sure to lock you ipad? and such in suitcase but have a small metal box with you prize possession laying around. you got date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugged buddy, regardless, crooks, time is important remember don't keep everthing in one place, split your possession, and bring along only two credit cards only for backup with limits, keep the card information like numbers and contact separate. if there is a room safe, check to see how it is bolted down and don't use your birthday as the combination.

i know many of you guys might be on business and some just like their toys. the older the more we have and more expensive but coming with 2 laptops, ipads, when the only real toy you need is a vibritor? its too late to report but you might want to still contact the tourist police and let them know what happened? they might want to contact some of the money exchangers in the area which all have camera's. at some point they will try to make the exchange for your usd? if not already.

lesson learn, enjoy the time left here?

lbm

[QUOTE=Ej2208; 1344805]I alway use a Combination lock for my suitcase.[/QUOTE]They are there to rob. They can carry the suitcase if they want to, can't they? Why not just use the electronic safe in the room?

I've done a search and haven't noticed much talk of places where Korean or Japanese WGs are available in Thailand (or at least Payatta). I'm considering going to Thailand for a vacation December or January (first time) and would be happy to hook up with a Korean or Japanese girl if there are some beautiful ones. Are they available here or is it just best to stick with the local girls?

Thanks

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1344545]At the risk of highlighting my own stupidity, but in the hope that it saves at least one of you guys a similar fate I will relate my own sad Haloween tale in Pattaya. I've gone into some detail to give guys an idea of some of thh warning signs to look out for.[/QUOTE]Hey Greg,

Thanks for the report and for the fact that you are warning others. I've been traveling for 35+ years and always thought I couldn't fall prey. But my first time in Sosua, I let my guard down in a disco while dancing with two hot chicas and one of them cleaned out my pockets. So none of us can let our guard down, especially with new girls.

Thanks again for posting!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1344818]These approved TSA locks, keys or combination are just that approved for them to open and inspect your luggage without loosing a lot of time. The combinations are pre-set by the manufacture usually to 000? 0. I use one for procedure sake and set it at 0000, for if they select my bag they can just open it, when I get my bag I look at the lock and look at the setting, if the number have moved then I know someone has enter the bag? If TSA opened it, it is standard procedure to place a slip indicating they have inspected your bag. If one isn't there the chances is most likely a baggage handler checked your bag? That I would be more worried about.

TSA has a key to open TSA approved locks. You will see a little keyhole on the bottom, if it's a TSA lock. Otherwise they cut it off. They don't mess around with the combination. They don't always put a note in your bag after inspection they've been doing that less frequently.

[QUOTE=Demecius; 1344832]I've done a search and haven't noticed much talk of places where Korean or Japanese WGs are available in Thailand (or at least Payatta). I'm considering going to Thailand for a vacation December or January (first time) and would be happy to hook up with a Korean or Japanese girl if there are some beautiful ones. Are they available here or is it just best to stick with the local girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Prices are quite a bit lower in Thailand and especially Pattaya than they are in Korea or Japan so why would any such girls (apart from perhaps a few very specialists) come to Thailand and compete against thousands of beautiful Thai girls for a fraction of the money they might earn at home? So forget about them and try local Thai girls. There are quite a few Russian and other Eastern European / Eurasian girls in Pattaya because there are plenty of Asian / Arab customers with a taste for white girls who are prepared to pay a big premium for a Caucasian girl.

[QUOTE=Alpanico;1344819]They are there to rob. They can carry the suitcase if they want to, can't they? Why not just use the electronic safe in the room?[/QUOTE]Alpanico,

If they had taken a large suitcase to the lobby. I'm sure they would have gotten the attention of the front desk. It would look kind of suspicious for two local girls to be leaving the hotel with the guest luggage and he not with them. Also, If the frontdeck would have mistaken them for hotel guest leaving they would have stop and question them to ensure they where not trying to skip out without finalizing the bill and checking the room for damages. That the reason they did not take the both laptops or metal cashbox. THAY HAD NO PLACE TO HIDE THEM.

Each to their own. But I never understand reading a post where someone is coming to Thailand but wants to hook up with, in this case, a Korean or Japanese lady. Some what Africans, others want a Russian or Eastern European. Just makes no sense to me. But, as I said, each to their own.

[QUOTE=Demecius; 1344832]I've done a search and haven't noticed much talk of places where Korean or Japanese WGs are available in Thailand (or at least Payatta). I'm considering going to Thailand for a vacation December or January (first time) and would be happy to hook up with a Korean or Japanese girl if there are some beautiful ones. Are they available here or is it just best to stick with the local girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ej2208; 1345060]Alpanico,

If they had taken a large suitcase to the lobby. I'm sure they would have gotten the attention of the front desk. It would look kind of suspicious for two local girls to be leaving the hotel with the guest luggage and he not with them. Also, If the frontdeck would have mistaken them for hotel guest leaving they would have stop and question them to ensure they where not trying to skip out without finalizing the bill and checking the room for damages. That the reason they did not take the both laptops or metal cashbox. THAY HAD NO PLACE TO HIDE THEM.[/QUOTE]I'm based in LK Metro which is pretty busy so it would have been very risky for them to walk off with a big suitcase. I'm sure they thought about taking the smaller laptop. Actually the metal cash box is quite small, but it's disguised as a fat book which may have saved my bacon because if they had taken that they would have got my passport and credit / ATM cards and I would be in a much worse situation. Of course it would have been even more useful had I taken the trouble to put my cash in it. Live and learn. It just cost a few dollars and isn't going to deter a serious thief, but has proved a good investment for someone who travels around alot and stays in cheapish hotels. I initially got it when I lost $400 cash from a hotel security box in the Philippines: at least it provides an additional layer of protection from crooked staff who have access to the master keys / default pin codes of hotel security boxes / room safes and are tempted to syphon off some of your cash.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1345081]Each to their own. But I never understand reading a post where someone is coming to Thailand but wants to hook up with, in this case, a Korean or Japanese lady. Some what Africans, others want a Russian or Eastern European. Just makes no sense to me. But, as I said, each to their own.[/QUOTE]Some know they will never have the chance to travel to Russia, Japan, Korea, so they are searching the experience elsewhere. Might make a bit of sense, on the long run, when one wants to change the menu.

But I agree there is not much sense in doing so at the first visit in Thailand. It will take quite a few visits to start being bored by the local breed before looking elsewhere. Not to mention the fact that being Thailand quite low on prices, compared to some of the origin countries (with the only exception of Africa) I am wondering what kind of talent one can draw for the quoted prices in BKK, compared to country of origin.

As you said, each one his own and good luck. Less punters after the TG's

[QUOTE=Alpanico;1344819]They are there to rob. They can carry the suitcase if they want to, can't they? Why not just use the electronic safe in the room?[/QUOTE]Chaining your luggage to the hotel room is a option, put the key in the electronic safe while you sleep or use a combination lock.

In fact I've been doing this for the last 2 years, in Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines [Housekeeping gives you weird looks, but says nothing]. Note that some airports [Thai specifically] don't consider chains carry on items, so either check it in or buy one when you arrive [very cheap for 5 foot of chain].

Its more secure then the room safe since the hotel doesn't have direct access as they do with the room safes [Ever lose the combination? I've had most hotels open the safe within a few minutes of calling front desk]. The hardest part is finding a secure pipe, bar, etc that is convenient for normal luggage access. Did actually cause a problem once, was in a hotel in Subic that flooded the hotel called me to ask permission to move my belongings before the water subsumed everything [Waterproof luggage saved the day].

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1344785]I have checked some of the emails I sent to various people the day after and I was typing absolute gibberish and I can remember not being able to walk properly so whatever drug they gave me must have taken the best part of a day to wear off so if anyone does find themselves in a similar position try and find someone you trust to keep an eye on you for a while afterwards as I was probably quite vulnerable to further theft / accidents during that time.[/QUOTE]Hard to say what drug they could have given you and if they even knew how much would put you to sleep or go beyond that and put you out permanently. Amazing how some people could put another person's life at risk and not even knowing for sure what they would gain from it. I will definitely keep your post in mind as I am going on another adventure in a few days.

[QUOTE=JesseJames; 1344984]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1344818]These approved TSA locks, keys or combination are just that approved for them to open and inspect your luggage without loosing a lot of time. The combinations are pre-set by the manufacture usually to 000? 0. I use one for procedure sake and set it at 0000, for if they select my bag they can just open it, when I get my bag I look at the lock and look at the setting, if the number have moved then I know someone has enter the bag? If TSA opened it, it is standard procedure to place a slip indicating they have inspected your bag. If one isn't there the chances is most likely a baggage handler checked your bag? That I would be more worried about.

TSA has a key to open TSA approved locks. You will see a little keyhole on the bottom, if it's a TSA lock. Otherwise they cut it off. They don't mess around with the combination. They don't always put a note in your bag after inspection they've been doing that less frequently.[/QUOTE]I am well aware of that as I noted in my post you quoted. I have worked for a major airline for nearly 30 years and have been involved with TSA after it's creation. As you know many of the airport TSA are different. In S. F. Every station inspection station including the one's you don't see below the terminal all have camera especially right where the bag is pull and searched. When I travel home and back to Thailand, if I'm paying, I load up for the year and max out my lugguage capacity, once I noticed my bag was searched but no noticed and the approved lock was still there but the combination numbers were moved. Due to all the stuff I had not sure if anything was missing? Now I make a list and a copy for myself and place it inside the bag basically to screw with their heads. I spoke to a buddy who is now a TSA official who is now in charge of TSA Northern division and the procedure is to put a slip for every bag inspected. If your trip is short and you feel your bag has been inspected and no slip is in sight you can request a review by TSA.

It should be noted that just because your bag was gone through doesn't mean TSA pulled the bag. The baggage agent for the airline could have gone through your bag? I can give you a dozen ways a agent can do that without anyone knowing? If as noted by you " less Freguent " you might want to notify the originating airline you are traveling with!

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1345222]As you know many of the airport TSA are different. In S. F.[/QUOTE]San Francisco doesn't have TSA. They have the knockoff version CAS. [url]http://www.flysfo.com/web/page/about/jobs/jobs/jobs_0095.html[/url]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1345222]It should be noted that just because your bag was gone through doesn't mean TSA pulled the bag. The baggage agent for the airline could have gone through your bag?[/QUOTE]Well somebody has to turn off those buzzing vibrators that people forget to take the batteries out of.

[QUOTE=Demecius; 1344832]I've done a search and haven't noticed much talk of places where Korean or Japanese WGs are available in Thailand (or at least Payatta). I'm considering going to Thailand for a vacation December or January (first time) and would be happy to hook up with a Korean or Japanese girl if there are some beautiful ones. Are they available here or is it just best to stick with the local girls?

Thanks[/QUOTE]There's a couple of Korean booking clubs in Pattaya but the girls are all Thais. Light skin and made up or they make themselves up to mimic the appearance of Korean / Japanese girls but if you're not Korean or Japanese you won't get into these clubs. You probably won't want to pay what they're charging anyway so yea, stick with the locals.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1345174]Hard to say what drug they could have given you and if they even knew how much would put you to sleep or go beyond that and put you out permanently. Amazing how some people could put another person's life at risk and not even knowing for sure what they would gain from it. I will definitely keep your post in mind as I am going on another adventure in a few days.[/QUOTE]I've always been a little sceptical about claims of KO drugs, etc in Thailand. As you rightly say, it is a lot harder than it seems in practice, with a lot of potential dangers for both parties. I usually assume that when someone says they were drugged they were actually just very drunk, and passed out in a drunken stupor.

Greg's post has made me think again. My priority when travelling is my passport (both of them:) ), my credit cards, and my cash stash. Those are all locked away permanently in the room safe (which I assume to be safe). My other valuables are a phone, a camera, an iPad and a laptop. Losing my work laptop would be a big deal so I should really lock it away, but I don't. The camera, phone and iPad tend to be in regular use, so typically wouldn't be locked away.

I guess if I was taking a girl from Beach Road I might be more likely to put the latter items in the room safe. Anyway, a very timely and salutary lesson. Thanks for posting.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1345234]San Francisco doesn't have TSA. They have the knockoff version CAS.

[url]http://www.flysfo.com/web/page/about/jobs/jobs/jobs_0095.html[/url]

Well somebody has to turn off those buzzing vibrators that people forget to take the batteries out of.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

From time to time you get too technical, if knockoff is what you want to call them but if you ask 9/10 passengers standing in line waiting to go through CAS, I serioursly doubt aside from you any other passenger will know what you are talking about or calling them!

SFO, as you know is one of the few cities where TSA is contracted out! But all the rules pertaining to TSA still applies to the the contracting firm. SFO, whether you like it or not is consider one of the best in regards to how they handle passengers traveling through. All the trimmings uniforms all have patches of TSA!

Now through the years I have myself inspected my share of bags not for illegal reasons but while loading bags I feel or hear a vibrations. If time allows I will open the bag lock bags mean nothing, locate the vibrations for security reasons and usually it is a shaver. Like a good guy I turn it off. When it comes to vibrators the Japanese are the biggest purchasers of any race I have ever seen? I've seen bags break open and man the passenger got so many of time they could open a store themselves?

LBM

[QUOTE=Null Avenger; 1345165]Chaining your luggage to the hotel room is a option, put the key in the electronic safe while you sleep or use a combination lock.

In fact I've been doing this for the last 2 years, in Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines [Housekeeping gives you weird looks, but says nothing]. Note that some airports [Thai specifically] don't consider chains carry on items, so either check it in or buy one when you arrive [very cheap for 5 foot of chain].

Its more secure then the room safe since the hotel doesn't have direct access as they do with the room safes [Ever lose the combination? I've had most hotels open the safe within a few minutes of calling front desk]. The hardest part is finding a secure pipe, bar, etc that is convenient for normal luggage access. Did actually cause a problem once, was in a hotel in Subic that flooded the hotel called me to ask permission to move my belongings before the water subsumed everything [Waterproof luggage saved the day].[/QUOTE]I've found myself in a few hotels in foreign countries that did not have a room safe. They sell cable type locks that are suited for securing your suitcase (loaded with your valuables) which can in turn be wrapped to the most secure pipe you can find in the room. A chain is a bit extreme, these work just as well.

[url]http://www.magellans.com/retractasafe-cable-lock[/url]

[QUOTE=Nixonbd; 1345584]I've found myself in a few hotels in foreign countries that did not have a room safe. They sell cable type locks that are suited for securing your suitcase (loaded with your valuables) which can in turn be wrapped to the most secure pipe you can find in the room. A chain is a bit extreme, these work just as well.

[url]http://www.magellans.com/retractasafe-cable-lock[/url][/QUOTE]I use a chain that is long enough to wrap around my hard case and then through my carry-on bag. I lock these with a 4 number combo lock. The chain is strong, yet fits in the palm of my hand. The hard case has no zipper, it locks and is very secure and the carry-on bag is locked also with a 4 number combo lock. A thief would have to break the chain (bolt cutters) or carry both bags out chained together which would be difficult and suspicious. If it is convenient, I also wrap the chain around something secure in the room and takes less than two minutes to set this up. It may be extreme, but it works and would give any thief second thoughts. I like the look on the faces of the ladies who see that set up.

I wonder how much or little pressure / force it would take to pop that cable out of that cable type lock? Probably not an issue with a bar girl.

Thanks for the post I have been getting far too complacent recently and it is a needed wake up call. I remember being drugged in Venezuela, I only lost a couple of hundred dollars or so but I was so angry that I had been suckered, had a serious bad head for a day or so. I tried to find out what happened from a girl I was friendly with who may have actually been in on it, she told me they use a straw and dip it in the dope or stuff they use then put the straw in your drink take their finger off and it is in the bottom of your glass allowing it to mix etc. The girl I was friendly with did help me home and paid the cab then looked after me for the next 2 days. I went back into the bar where it happened looking at the people there trying to spot a guilty face, everybody was very friendly maybe more than normal but I couldn't decide who was guilty.

The other time I was suckered, I was having a blow job in the car. I paid up front and put my wallet in the side of the door and laid back, the blow job was good but she didn't seem to be giving the wee lad full attention. Dropped her off with a smile on my face but she had a bigger one.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1345337]I've always been a little sceptical about claims of KO drugs, etc in Thailand. As you rightly say, it is a lot harder than it seems in practice, with a lot of potential dangers for both parties. I usually assume that when someone says they were drugged they were actually just very drunk, and passed out in a drunken stupor.

Greg's post has made me think again. My priority when travelling is my passport (both of them.) , my credit cards, and my cash stash. Those are all locked away permanently in the room safe (which I assume to be safe). My other valuables are a phone, a camera, an iPad and a laptop. Losing my work laptop would be a big deal so I should really lock it away, but I don't. The camera, phone and iPad tend to be in regular use, so typically wouldn't be locked away.

I guess if I was taking a girl from Beach Road I might be more likely to put the latter items in the room safe. Anyway, a very timely and salutary lesson. Thanks for posting.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree to the firt part of the post: Woke up lying on the open suitcase in my anteroom.

Was I drugged? Hell, no! I only did not have a clue how I got there.

No offence if it happened to someone. But for me?

Just too hammered.

Hey MrFunktastic.

Would be great to catch up over beers and more. I'm here on 7 to 9 nov.

I'm not sure how to reach you without PM though

My local number is 0850967226.

I hope it's not a violation putting it here. If it is, sorry Jackson.

Just trying to meet some buddies to chill with

Cheers

[QUOTE=MrFunktastic; 1341523]Sorry brothers, I just realized I don`t have msg capabilities.

Fiancee checks my CC bills so having Internationalsexguide. Com on there probably not a great idea LOL!

But the offer still stands, if anyone wants to meet up and have a few drinks in Patts between Nov 7- Nov 21.

(Leggy11)

Great name also mate!

I have yet booked / paid for accommodation as yet as I like to go with the flow on most occasions but I know / stayed in a few clean, nice places around walking ST eg galaxy suites and previously I've stayed in Areca and Baywalk residences, which I found were quite nice hotels with good facilities.

But it sounds more to me that your question was more to make a recommendation?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bro2012;1345730]That was exactly my own experience. But, I did not want to worry you guys as so many of you want to save a dime.[/QUOTE]You posted 4 screens of a quote just to add one line of comment. Please consider editing the quotes. If some one wants to read the whole quote they can click [View Original Post]. Some people read the forums on smart phones and tablets and scrolling through a long quote is a pain.

Slim

Hello my lady loving brothers!

I'm glad to say I've finally arrived (actually just got off the baht bus and into hotel about 5 mins ago)

So anyone looking to hit the streets give me a shout. James Dean I'm looking at you brother!

I'm prolly gona take a quick look around Pattaya to see if anythings changed since I was last here (3 months ago so I doubt it) then hit the sack early tonite. Been a long trip to make it down but ill definately give you a call tmr afternoon, I'm sure thats not too early for you to knockout a few beers LOL.

Any other brothers interested in a partner in crime, just give a shout.

Peace

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[QUOTE=James Dean 2; 1346104]Hey Mr---I'm not sure how to reach you without PM though
My local number is xxxxxxxxx.
I hope it's not a violation putting it here. If it is, sorry Jackson.[/QUOTE]

I have PM. The person I am trying to reach does not. See his post?

What hostility early in the morning. Geez.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1346230]No problem. I jut sent you a message telling you what a dumb shit you are. Why don't you have PM? Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Stayed at Dynasty as recomended by Jmac. Great location. Can go to walking street or soi 8 area in few minutes on the busses that go in circle for 10 baht. Took door girl from Manderian two nights. 3000 baht. No english total lover experince. Also took beer bar girls from soi8 and two from beach road after dark, Can say with all things in life you get what you pay for. Manderian girl was worth the money. One other 30 year old for 1, 500 baht. Was just nice. Placent. Enjoyed whole time. Very safe city. Many tourist with kids on walking street. Many condos being built. Nice international hospital right on beach. Makes you think about where to retire when old. If you are a monger it has to be on your list of places to see. I am glad I did. To soon to put all feelings together. Great sea food. Shrimp are huge here at good price. When on beach road all the good looking hot ones are lady boys. Me and my nephew both said look at that. Then WOW listen to that. And moved on. Also family location. Many little island to go to with private beaches. Almost all European tourist. Hope this help someone. Have got a lot here over the years. RED

i can confirm that cof is no problem at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. chose a girl called porn. not the prettiest lady in pattaya for sure, but very good technique. tipped her 200 baht.

[quote=amex spg; 1341068]i've done cim at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss lounge. i never asked about cof but i'm guessing that's acceptable (just ask the lady before you take her upstairs to confirm) since cof isn't any worse / grosser than a cim unless it messes up her make-up. considering the 100s (or 1, 000s) of bjs these ladies have performed if they've worked there for some time, they're likely accustomed to cof, cim, pearl necklaces.

remember to report your findings in a trip report.

thanks in advance[/quote]

[QUOTE=Nixonbd; 1345584]I've found myself in a few hotels in foreign countries that did not have a room safe. They sell cable type locks that are suited for securing your suitcase (loaded with your valuables) which can in turn be wrapped to the most secure pipe you can find in the room. A chain is a bit extreme, these work just as well.

[url]http://www.magellans.com/retractasafe-cable-lock[/url][/QUOTE]Yes – And with a knife they will secure all they want for themselves. A suitcase offers no protection. A safe box at a safe reception is by far the best.

this is not the usual comparison between these two destinations.

my ideal of a good time isn't finding a lady and taking her back to the hotel for a fuck.

i'm an exhibitionist pervert.

i prefer to stay in public at bar, go-go or club and buy drinks for lady (ies) and engage in kissing and deep pussy / ass finger penetration with the possibility of her bending down for a suck or bending over for a fuck.

this is how i would like to spend the majority of my time.

going from woman to woman making out, groping, probing, drinking.

in fact, the only time i want to be in hotel room with lady is for a cuddle buddy when i sleep or an orgy (where and how can these be setup)

i was leaning towards pattaya because of places like soi 6 where i hear you can get the girls to do anything (can i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on them) , and xzone and wind mill a go-go where the customer can lick pussy and ass while ladies are on stage and possibly have lady sit on dick. and even star of light (i know. bangkok) where bbbjs and condom free fucking are in public.

these places are my kind of raunch.

however, after viewing the photo gallery, i must admit i am more attracted to the ladies in the philippines.

and the prospect of conversing in native language is desired.

but the raunch of the environment is of most high importance!

can things get raunchy in angeles city?

* bjs in disco, bar, go-go.

* condom free fucking.

* openly grope lady friend in public.

-

so which destination can better accommodate my desires?

any opinion and advice from experts is greatly appreciated.

Thievery. Check out the alarm gizmos at aliexpress. Com. 20 dollars for a GSM PIR sensor to stick in your case / safe / room, and ring your mobile if someone skulking about. [url]http://www.aliexpress.com/item/ASS63-PIR-MP-Alerm-using-GSM-card-for-security-at-home-car-office-or-storage-Free/632989709.html[/url] (or similar)

No I'd cards for 2 should have set off alarm bells. Don't eat, don't suck nipples, and don't speak to fortune tellers.

Not sure which el-cheapo hotel you stayed in, but most have digital CCTV nowadays.

Too many sim cards? Get a 4 sim mobile phone.

[QUOTE=Pattaya Trip; 1348415]Can things get raunchy in Angeles City?

* BJs in disco, bar, go-go.

* condom free fucking.

* openly grope lady friend in public.

So which destination can better accommodate my desires?[/QUOTE]Angeles NO. Thailand you have already pretty much answered your own question as I see you have already listed the specific places where anything remotely like that is possible. You might want to add the Kangaroo Club in Patpong in Bangkok to your list as well.

Will be in Pattaya on 16th Nov planning to meet couple of ISG members for drinks and hunting if anyone intrested PM me

[QUOTE=Pattaya Trip; 1348415]These places are my kind of raunch.

However, after viewing the photo gallery, I must admit I am more attracted to the ladies in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]It would be a mistake to judge the beauty of the girls in Thailand by only looking at the photo gallery on ISG. No one ever posts photos of pretty girls here. You'll just have to go see for yourself, but don't expect many stunners to let you finger their asses in public.

Going to stay on beach road this time at the Empress, how is the coconut bar at the moment? It was reasonably busy beginning of October but didn't spot anything which really took my interest. I have a thing about women in glasses, I am going back to try one I spotted on Soi 7 last time, I will check out Soi 6 and see if I can find one there also. Anybody know any bars with ladies with glasses let me know. I know all you need to do is tell them your a glasses freak and the whole bar will put them on but it is not quite the same as finding one who is genuinely short sighted LOL.

May the force be with you.

Hey guys, been reading the forum, can't quite make it out. I've been to Pattaya about 15 years ago. Back then it was a dirty stretch of a road by the beach and the water wasn't clear if I remember correctly. Then Phuket a few years ago, sandy beaches and lots of clubs and entertainment, scuba diving, loads of bars with working girls and Russian and other tourists girls everywhere, was really good time.

Lately been hearing a lot about Pattaya, things must have changed of course. I know it's good for girls anywhere in Thailand.

Between Pattaya and Phuket, what makes you decide between the two cities? I have a business trip coming up in Asia and deciding on where to go on a side trip. Looking forward to your suggestions, thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ; 1348999]Between Pattaya and Phuket, what makes you decide between the two cities?

Pattaya.
Pussy.

Much more of it, better looking, more economical.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1348999]Between Pattaya and Phuket, what makes you decide between the two cities?[/QUOTE]Phuket: nicer beaches, more expensive, and a lot less women.

Pattaya: the opposite, and a lot easier to get to via transportation.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1348841]Going to stay on beach road this time at the Empress, how is the coconut bar at the moment?[/QUOTE]Most unfortunately, the numbers are definitely down, can't believe the low nightly turnout of ladies, have no idea why they are skipping work as there appears to be plenty people about. Been going regularly to Pattaya for several years now, never been this disappointing. I just left two days back, better in Bangkok.

Perhaps some knowledgeable Gent could elaborate? Perhaps with the recent tree butchering, and the lack of shade, has driven the poor dears indoors from the relentless Sun, I saw some hardened Darlings really burnt to a cinder, if you like them darker than the norm, get down to beach road now. Come nightfall the numbers still poor though.

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1349154]Most unfortunately, the numbers are definitely down, can't believe the low nightly turnout of ladies, have no idea why they are skipping work as there appears to be plenty people about. Been going regularly to Pattaya for several years now, never been this disappointing. I just left two days back, better in Bangkok.

Perhaps some knowledgeable Gent could elaborate? Perhaps with the recent tree butchering, and the lack of shade, has driven the poor dears indoors from the relentless Sun, I saw some hardened Darlings really burnt to a cinder, if you like them darker than the norm, get down to beach road now. Come nightfall the numbers still poor though.[/QUOTE]I rode through Beach Road the night before last at 4am on my way to the disco. There were tons of women out at that time.

When I got to the disco I met a girl who was tall and thick; just what I wanted. She invited me over to smoke the hookah with her and her friend. She said that she worked at Classroom Agogo and it was on Soi 13/3. I started joking with her saying she must be a katoey because that is boys town and for gay guys. I grabbed her crotch. I ended up taking her home.

She told me the story of how some guy in the Marines was taking care of her friend and the baby he has with her but he has been in the Philippines for a few weeks and just informed her that she was getting cut off. He said that he would send money for the baby but she would have to find her own way. She said her friend had called her at work and told her to meet her at the seafood spot. Not to worry because she would pay her bar fine. She said the girl ordered seafood from A to Z. You think she would now be trying to save money since her cash cow has dried up. We started talking about age and I told her I was an old man. She said old men like to take care of women but young men do not. I changed my tune to being a young man because I'm not about to take care of anybody.

She kept saying that she didn't know why she came home with me because she has had enough of Black men breaking her heart. I told her that it was funny she continues to go to the disco that only has Black men. She put it down in the sack. She most definitely will stay on my hit list. We woke up at 11:30 and I put it down again. At 12:30 I gave her 1000 baht and drove her to her room on Walking Street. She thanked me.

I was taking the gogo girl home and right before Beach Road turned to Walking Street we got pulled over by a cop. There were at least 2 Thai people driving motorbikes ahead of us but he pointed to us to pull over. I pulled over and said what the fuck dude. Without him asking I pulled out my Thai license and showed it to him. He asked where I was from. I said America. He gave my license back and asked if I was okay now. I said sabai dee and drove off.

A little while ago I met up with my married girl at the mall (she is not Thai but lives here with her farang husband). We came back to my place for a romp. As I was taking her back to pick up her car another cop tried to pull us over. I stopped the bike and yelled at him and said I was tired of this bullshit everyday. I don't know if it was the same cop from two days ago or not, but the guy said oh oh sorry and told me to keep going. My girl asked me what that was about. I told her that they just want to get money from foreigners who do not have a license.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1349159]I rode through Beach Road the night before last at 4am on my way to the disco. There were tons of women out at that time.[/QUOTE]Actually I met the gogo girl the night before this. This night I went to the disco and hit on some chicks I had not seen before. The first one said she had worked in Phuket for 3 years. I told her that I had never seen her there at Hollywood Disco or Tiger Disco. She said that she never had time to go out because she had a regular job. I hung out with her and her friend and puffed on their hookah. She was rather thin but gorgeous. She said that she was surprised I liked her because Black American men always like thick girls. I said I do like them but I like you too. Everything seemed great until I told her to come back to the crib with me. Her response was short time or long time. I just said fuck it and walked away.

I went and talked to a buddy of mine who lives here and told him what had just happened. He knew exactly what I meant. Never take a girl from the disco if she A) asks if you want short or long time or B) asks how much you give me. That just puts a bad taste in my mouth. The standard disco price is 1000 baht all night long.

So I saw another chick who I would be glad to leave with. I called her over. She said how much you give me. I damn near cried. I told her 1000. She said short time or long time. I told her bye. By now it was 6:30am and the pickings had gotten slim.

I ended up hooking up with a chick who I had already known. I knew her name and already had her phone number in my phone, but I could have sworn that I have never fucked her. When I told her let's go back to my place she asked if I still lived at the same place. I'm thinking how the fuck does she know where I live, but told her yes. She said off Third Road such and such. I said yeah. So we got back to the crib and she said yeah this is the same room. I hate when I don't remember if I have fucked a girl or not and end up taking her again. In this case it was well worth it though.

Any word on the short term condo rental market this high season?

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1349154]Most unfortunately, the numbers are definitely down, can't believe the low nightly turnout of ladies, have no idea why they are skipping work as there appears to be plenty people about. Been going regularly to Pattaya for several years now, never been this disappointing. I just left two days back, better in Bangkok.

Perhaps some knowledgeable Gent could elaborate? Perhaps with the recent tree butchering, and the lack of shade, has driven the poor dears indoors from the relentless Sun, I saw some hardened Darlings really burnt to a cinder, if you like them darker than the norm, get down to beach road now. Come nightfall the numbers still poor though.[/QUOTE]Saw so many of them get hassled and I'd'd by the cops that I think the place is getting more family friendly.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1348999]Between Pattaya and Phuket, what makes you decide between the two cities? I have a business trip coming up in Asia and deciding on where to go on a side trip. Looking forward to your suggestions, thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Unless you are planning a trip for the primary purpose of mongering, Phuket should be your choice. (Though, of course, you've got to consider the hourlong flight that will turn into a five- or six-hour connections investment, etc, and that the cost of the flight from BKK to Phuket costs as much as a Hong Kong-Bangkok flight).

I suppose a man can enjoy some relaxation at the hotel pool in Patts, but there's really no comparison in terms of natural beauty. But plent of Thailand experts probably know of even nicer beaches in LOS. Seriously, Patts is sex and nothing but. You'll find enough girls on offer in Phuket, though at a higher price than Patts and BKK.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1351275]Saw so many of them get hassled and I'd'd by the cops that I think the place is getting more family friendly.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The astonishing fact though; the families will go where the SEX is. Ever been to Amsterdam RLD weekend evenings? If Pattaya takes the knife to their own throats, the consequences could be quite devastating financially.

Have Taxi prices gone up recently? I have just had a quote from the same driver I used the beginning of October, he now wants 1500Bht from the airport to Pattaya. October I paid 1000 Bht and tipped 200, maybe I tipped too much and he is thinking he can afford to put them up. Are the Taxi meters still advertising Pattaya-Airport for 800?

Before anyone has a rant about paying £1000s on flights etc then worrying about a mere 500Bht, I pay the going rate whatever it is and don't want to inflate prices by being taken advantage of. I am flying Business to BKK and don't mind paying the extortionate price as the price is fixed in black and white on the airline website.

Posted a comment about girls with glasses a few weeks back, anyone spotted any in the bars?

May the force be with you.

Mr. T still charges 1, 000bt from BKK (Suk / Soi 19) to Pattaya. Still plenty of 800 bt little taxi stands around Pattaya to airport.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1352090]Have Taxi prices gone up recently? I have just had a quote from the same driver I used the beginning of October, he now wants 1500Bht from the airport to Pattaya. October I paid 1000 Bht and tipped 200, maybe I tipped too much and he is thinking he can afford to put them up. Are the Taxi meters still advertising Pattaya-Airport for 800?

SNIPPED.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1352090]Have Taxi prices gone up recently? I have just had a quote from the same driver I used the beginning of October, he now wants 1500Bht from the airport to Pattaya. October I paid 1000 Bht and tipped 200, maybe I tipped too much and he is thinking he can afford to put them up. Are the Taxi meters still advertising Pattaya-Airport for 800?[/QUOTE]A couple of weeks going home I did my same routine of going upstairs and outside to get a taxi. First guy I saw said 1500 baht. I said 900 and I pay highway. He said okay. At the first toll I gave him a 1000 baht bill. When he got the change from the toll booth attendant he tried to give it to me. I told him to keep it. So price from airport to Pattaya. 1000 all-in.

The other night going to the airport I went to my regular taxi stand lady and told her same time same place. The price was 860. When the driver showed up that night in a Toyota Camry (I have been picked up in BMWs, Volvos, vans, and regular taxis as well) it was the same routine. I gave him 1000 at the first toll booth and told him to keep the change. The ride between the airport and Pattaya is a commodity. I don't see a reason (although I know many people do) to pay anything over 1000 baht all-in since that price has never been refused by a driver. When the bus is running during the hours that I'm going back and forth then that is my first choice. It drops me off right at home and takes the same amount of time and only costs 200 baht.

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1349154]Most unfortunately, the numbers are definitely down, can't believe the low nightly turnout of ladies, have no idea why they are skipping work as there appears to be plenty people about. Been going regularly to Pattaya for several years now, never been this disappointing. I just left two days back, better in Bangkok.

Perhaps some knowledgeable Gent could elaborate? Perhaps with the recent tree butchering, and the lack of shade, has driven the poor dears indoors from the relentless Sun, I saw some hardened Darlings really burnt to a cinder, if you like them darker than the norm, get down to beach road now. Come nightfall the numbers still poor though.[/QUOTE]Around 2005-2006 there were many months when there were NO girls on the beach at all. If they want to the authorities can completely eliminate them, and have before. And I dare say it is inevitable they will again. The little reprieve we've had in the last half-decade is just because of the delay in the move towards modernity which was occasioned by the blessed events of September '06.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd; 1345584]I've found myself in a few hotels in foreign countries that did not have a room safe. They sell cable type locks that are suited for securing your suitcase (loaded with your valuables) which can in turn be wrapped to the most secure pipe you can find in the room. A chain is a bit extreme, these work just as well.

[url]http://www.magellans.com/retractasafe-cable-lock[/url][/QUOTE]In my experience hotels that don't have room safe boxes usually have safe boxes at the reception desk. This is getting rarer these days since most people seem to prefer a safe in their own room. Use it, 'better safe than sorry.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1351470]Unless you are planning a trip for the primary purpose of mongering, Phuket should be your choice. (Though, of course, you've got to consider the hourlong flight that will turn into a five- or six-hour connections investment, etc, and that the cost of the flight from BKK to Phuket costs as much as a Hong Kong-Bangkok flight).

I suppose a man can enjoy some relaxation at the hotel pool in Patts, but there's really no comparison in terms of natural beauty. But plent of Thailand experts probably know of even nicer beaches in LOS. Seriously, Patts is sex and nothing but. You'll find enough girls on offer in Phuket, though at a higher price than Patts and BKK.[/QUOTE]Hi Wildhawk, I booked the Phuket flight. Not too bad 90 pounds round trip from BKK on Air Asia. Been to Phuket once, beautiful beaches and other activities like scuba diving and ATV rides etc. I speak Russian so there are plenty Russian girls there, though I imagine most people don't go for Russians in Phuket! Anyways looking forward to it, thanks for your reply.

I have been Bangkok couple of times but this is my 1st time in Pattaya. I RTFF the few pages of this thread but could'nt find much info on what I was looking for. Obviously there are several go-go's, beer bars and disco's here though I wanted some recommendation from anyone who's been there n done that.

I am a bit skeptical about picking FL's from the beach road, soi 6 even when they are available for 1K baht LT. I read they are mostly LB's and can scam you. I might just take stroll there to find out whats there though.

What are the best go-go's to visit and what are thier bar fines and ST/LT prices? Any good clubs where a pretty freelancer can be picked? What are thier entry fee / cover charges?

Any other advices / suggestions?

Regards,

A

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1352529]. I wanted som recommendation from anyone who's been there and done that.

What are the best go-go's to visit and what are thier bar fines and ST prices? Any good clubs where a pretty freelancer can be picked? What are thier entry fee / cover charges?[/QUOTE]As always depends on your tastes, budget, and time. I appreciate 18 year olds without any surgery or children, so my advice will come from that perspective:

Beach Road:

Women are around all day, but you have the most selection from 9pm-2am; Mostly women in their 30's and upper 20's with a bit of padding. I've seen one or two Beach road girls to my liking but rarely. Sometimes girls from gogo's will hit beach road if they have a slow night after their clubs close, so may be worth a stroll at 3am. Busy nights are Thursday-Sunday I believe. Note there are many LB's on beach road, when in doubt simply ask for identification. Beach road prices can be haggled down to 500 short time, and up to your chemistry for long time.

Go-Go's:

I prefer gogo's since you can see what your getting, and no surprises. I've visted nearly every gogo in my short time in Pattaya, more OCD then anything else. I'm a big fan of this gogo map:

[url]http://www.pattayabarguide.com/Finished%20small%20go-go%20map.jpg[/url]

Gogo's on walking street charge the most, gogo's just off walking street charge a bit less, gogo's away from walking street are the cheapest. I'm stupidly picky and find one girl per 10 gogo's that I want to take home:

Clinc [85 on map] has a bunch of cuties, and they have a short time room upstairs [Clean, ensuite shower, no hot water, one complimentrary condom].350 for shortime from bar, negiotate with the girl for tip. Barfine is 600 normally.

Airport [37 on map]: On walking street, many cuties. 600 barfine.

Iron [42 on map]: Next to airport, many cuties, Very expensive. In fact, I wouldn't recommend visiting just not cost effective, but they do have girls that catch my eye. Barfine 1700 before midnight 1200 after midnight. Ladydrinks are also high at 160.

Windmill [26 on map]: Just off walking street on Soi Diamond, very raunchy, DATY and other semi-orgy activity available from the dancers, not high on the cute girl's but worth a visit. 600 barfine after 1am, before 1am only 1000 for shortime [they may be flexible, but thats the offical policy].

Honorable mention: X-zone [2 on map]: Raunchy, but girls not as pretty as Windmill.

Showgirls [73 on map]: Soi LK metro, quite a few lookers here, but spreadout, so you will have to do some hunting to find them. Barfine unknown.

Superbaby [24 on map]: Soi Diamond, Geared toward Japanese / Koreans, have many older women who look younger.

There are many other gogo's half the fun is the exploration, since they are so concentrated you can just walk in, have a look and hit the next without a great deal of committment. I do wish they made the non-dancing girls more visible they tend to leave the bar to eat, or hide in the back, or sit around the bar. I like the Angeles City style where the non-performing girls are standing in a greeting line above the stage so you can do a quick survey without waiting for the songs to change. Before you barfine a girl make sure she has identification, some don't [for various reasons] and best to know that before you leave the bar.

Soi 6 / Bar Beers:

Can't say much about these, not my style; I know that 75% of the girls I take out of gogo's initially worked in the bar beers so there MUST be diamonds in the rough, just a bit more hidden. Soi Buakaow has many beer bar complexes, and seems to be where the newbies get their feet wet. [Not as intense as Soi 6].

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1352529]Any good clubs where a pretty freelancer can be picked? What are thier entry fee / cover charges?

A[/QUOTE]Something for all tastes. No cover charges in Patts.

[QUOTE=Alpanico; 1352529]SNIP.

Any other advices / suggestions?

Regards,

A[/QUOTE]My advice is to not worry so much about a presence of LB on Soi 6. Go see for yourself and if you decide to have a good time there I expect you can find an attractive woman to help make that happen. There are posts about FL in the discos if you dig a little deeper.

[quote]Have Taxi prices gone up recently? I have just had a quote from the same driver I used the beginning of October, he now wants 1500Bht from the airport to Pattaya. October I paid 1000 Bht and tipped 200, maybe I tipped too much and he is thinking he can afford to put them up. Are the Taxi meters still advertising Pattaya-Airport for 800?[/quote]What the fuck?

When you fly into BKK, walk down to the ground level and follow the sign out the door to the taxi stand. The official rate for a taxi from BKK to Pattaya is 1050 baht. The girl at the stand will ask you where you are going. When you say Pattaya, she'll write 1050 be on the dispatch sheet and give it to you. No negotiation, no rip-offs, and certainly no tips (this is SE Asia, not the United States). These are licensed, official taxis, and this is absolutely the best way to go. I've done it ten times in the last 2 years.

Have the phone number of your hotel because the taxi drivers speak little no intelligible English, can't read the Latin alphabet, and don't know how to take directions.

[quote]I am a bit skeptical about picking FL's from the beach road, soi 6 even when they are available for 1K baht LT. I read they are mostly LB's and can scam you. I might just take stroll there to find out whats there though.[/quote]You read wrong. At most, maybe 10-15% of what's available are. That's probably way to high. If you don't want a ladyboy, you don't have to get one. Never been a problem for me in countless visits. Not even once. On the beach or on Soi 6. Never been scammed either, taking 1-2 beach girls a night on probably a total of 200 different days in my life. Then again, I don't walk around drunk with gold rings on and leave wads of money on the floor in my hotel room after bringing crack addicts in. So YMMV.

If you want high quality go go shows and girls head to Walking Street. If you want lower prices are okay with sorting through some dogs, head to the Go Gos on Soi 8 and Soi 7.

If you want to take your time and find a girl you'd like to spend the night with while saving some money, head to one of the hundreds of beer bars.

If you want guaranteed action without hassle, head to the pump and dump bars on Soi 6.

If you want real value short time action, head to the beach.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1352608]If you don't want a ladyboy, you don't have to get one.[/QUOTE]All I can say to that is LOL. That guy is really paranoid.

[QUOTE=Koperen Karel; 1352446]In my experience hotels that don't have room safe boxes usually have safe boxes at the reception desk. This is getting rarer these days since most people seem to prefer a safe in their own room. Use it, 'better safe than sorry.

Regards,

Ko[/QUOTE]Don't forget. Just as you can open the room safe so can everyone else.

A room safe is an incentive for those with intentions to do harm. I always pick a hotel with safety boxes in reception. I just use a room safe for small change.

Sex toys are illegal in Thailand apparently, but now the Pattaya police will have plenty of them to enjoy for their own use and enjoymemt.

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2012/11/24/police-seize-obscene-sex-toys-in-[/url]%E2%80%9Cbig-see%E2%80%9D-shop/

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1351248]Any word on the short term condo rental market this high season?[/QUOTE]Given that Mr. Tonic's query was rather vague, the best I can do is note that visitors who prefer condos over hotels tend to book far in advance. So with just a few weeks until the high season starts it's going to be tough to find a vacancy. That said, Mr. Tonic might check out these sites:

[url]http://www.pattayaholidayrentals.com/index.php?user=listproperties&type=2[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayacondosvillas.com/[/url]

[url]http://dancewatchers.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.expat-condos.com/[/url]

[url]http://vtsix.com/[/url]

[url]http://wwww.honeyscoffeehouse.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.rethai.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.ptt-real-estate.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Worldsucks; 1352686]Lady boys (LB's) or Katoeys. As for being able to tell if it is really a woman, well there's a few obvious signs, but some of them are very convincing, and you may not be able to tell.

Look out for tall girls with big (false) tits, big hands and feet, Adams apple, deeper voice than the girls etc, but don't rely on it.[/QUOTE]Well said "don't rely on it"!

Fake tits, big hands and feet are not uncommon on real Thai ladies, deeper voice too, Adam apple can be surgically removed.

The best way to handle it is just (politely) ask. Unless you are drunk (and then you might not even be conscious of who you brought to bed and what you are going to do with) so that little head take the leads and dreams of those nice lips wrapped around him, by asking you will get in most cases a very honest reply.

It is of course recommended not to pick up the "lady" in well known joints where LB prevails or fill the crew.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1352782]Well said "don't rely on it"!

Fake tits, big hands and feet are not uncommon on real Thai ladies, deeper voice too, Adam apple can be surgically removed.[/QUOTE]I was on Walking Street the other night and a scantily clad girl asked to go with me. Now I reign supreme at being able to pick out a lady boy from 100 meters away, but this one almost had me fooled. None of the tell tale signs of abnormal voice or constant playing with hair, no apparent breast implants, no big ass feet and manly toes. But what gave it away for me was that she was dressed too provocatively in the street. Even when you go up and down Beach Road you see the working FEMALES dressed quite conservatively. Soon after I declined the invitation 3 lady boys strolled up and this one joined the pack. It was still not apparent, but as we all can attest to, lady boys run in packs. Now granted at times you will see one ladyboy with a group of females. (I have female friends that sometimes have 1 lady boy in their circle.) But you will never see a group of lady boys with one female.

I did this when I arrived a month ago, and the lady at the stand said 1500? When I turned around she went down to 1300 quickly. Are there more than one stand?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1352605]What the fuck?

When you fly into BKK, walk down to the ground level and follow the sign out the door to the taxi stand. The official rate for a taxi from BKK to Pattaya is 1050 baht. The girl at the stand will ask you where you are going. When you say Pattaya, she'll write 1050 be on the dispatch sheet and give it to you. No negotiation, no rip-offs, and certainly no tips (this is SE Asia, not the United States). These are licensed, official taxis, and this is absolutely the best way to go. I've done it ten times in the last 2 years.

Have the phone number of your hotel because the taxi drivers speak little no intelligible English, can't read the Latin alphabet, and don't know how to take directions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Worldsucks;1352686]Golden Rule. Do not fall in love![/QUOTE]Great advice given to me by an eighty something gent at a bar in Soi Bukao.

This is not new to anybody that knows these bar girls are going to bang for bucks as soon as U-turn your back.

It's the ones that have been around, speak very good English and seem "normal", that are most dangerous.

My problem is that I have too much access to Thailand. Once I got it into my head that I wanted to live there, I thought about finding a regular that can help me assimilate into the place. I met a woman that speaks great English, lived in the states for years, even has a green card.

I started taking care of her. When I met her she was shy, and didn't know anyone in town at all.

Make a long story short, I dumped her after two years for lies and just really being f*cking stupid.

She now works in a bar and is basically on the road to being a straight up wh*re. She easily with a little effort could have gone the other route of learning a regular job and time to be with her kid with just a litte help from me.

No, she chose the route of loud, smokey bars and dealing with drunks and maybe losing some hearing from the loud music.

They really can't help but be sucked up into the life that's going on around them for the extra baht to be made in a bar.

DON'T FALL IN LOVE

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz; 1352969]Great advice given to me by an eighty something gent at a bar in Soi Bukao.

This is not new to anybody that knows these bar girls are going to bang for bucks as soon as U-turn your back.

It's the ones that have been around, speak very good English and seem "normal", that are most dangerous.

My problem is that I have too much access to Thailand. Once I got it into my head that I wanted to live there, I thought about finding a regular that can help me assimilate into the place. I met a woman that speaks great English, lived in the states for years, even has a green card.

I started taking care of her. When I met her she was shy, and didn't know anyone in town at all.

Make a long story short, I dumped her after two years for lies and just really being f*cking stupid.

She now works in a bar and is basically on the road to being a straight up wh*re. She easily with a little effort could have gone the other route of learning a regular job and time to be with her kid with just a litte help from me.

No, she chose the route of loud, smokey bars and dealing with drunks and maybe losing some hearing from the loud music.

They really can't help but be sucked up into the life that's going on around them for the extra baht to be made in a bar.

DON'T FALL IN LOVE[/QUOTE]Most of these girls are uneducated and lazy. The easy way out is the way most will take. Also, the value systems in Isaan does not really gel with ours. Falling in love with a working girl is really not in your best interest. Enjoy the entertainment.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1352974]Falling in love with a working girl is really not in your best interest.[/QUOTE]But, but, they really love me! What's a man to do?

[QUOTE=Worldsucks;1352686]Rates. LT The birds from the Gogol will probably want 2000 baht, while the birds from the beer bars will only really want a 1000 baht.ST the Go Go birds will want 1000 baht, and the beer bar girls will want 500 baht.[/QUOTE]Excellent report and very comprehensive. The only contribution I would like to make is regarding the price. Go-go rates are more like ST = 2, 000 baht and LT = 4, 000. The beer bars are definitely cheaper, the BF is around 300 baht, ST between 500 and 1, 000 and LT between 1, 500 and 2, 000. That aside a very good guide for the first time visitor to Pattaya.

Final addition is concerning the chemical stimulus. I have used one of the newest ones on the market called "Cappra". It is a herbal based drug (legal) , can be found in pharmacy's and now in 7/11, 4 capsules for around 1, 100 baht. The benefits are that it lasts for about 12 hours, helps you perform after a good few beers, but only gives a hard-on via direct stimulation. Unlike Viagra you can avoid the ignominy of walking round with a trouser truncheon, I highly recommend it.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1352974]Most of these girls are uneducated and lazy. The easy way out is the way most will take. Also, the value systems in Isaan does not really gel with ours. Falling in love with a working girl is really not in your best interest. Enjoy the entertainment.[/QUOTE]She wasn't a working girl when I met her. Had NO job. As I said in the second sentence, that is easy to avoid because you see it coming.

The point of the story is she BECAME all that, despite her exposure to the first world.

But your right, laziness and fast buck attitude is inherent to the culture.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz;1352983].But your right, laziness and fast buck attitude is inherent to the culture.[/QUOTE]One of the things we like about Asian girls (and also Brazilian and Central American, I would add) is their easy approach to sex.

Having sex with strangers, not holding long relationships, is what makes them appealing to us, apart the overall cheap costs when you come to the monetary settlements (especially compared to the first world rates, back home).

I am not saying any Asian girl can be taken to bed with a wink, but I don't think either all girls get into the p4p system as they are money desperate.

They combine the economic advantage if earning money with something they are keen to do, don't have a problem to do and even enjoy to do: sex.

We then can't complain too much if they are unreliable on long term relationships, if they keep in working even when supported monthly from somebody abroad, if they prefer their own "home" environment rather than moving to the first world and spend the rest of their life with the stranger, often having little to share (apart the comfort of a much different life) , away from friends and relatives, in a different climate.

Certainly it looks strange to our eyes, that is for sure.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1352975]But, but, they really love me! What's a man to do?[/QUOTE]Oh well, just fuck them, then!

[QUOTE=Amberti; 1352616]Don't forget. Just as you can open the room safe so can everyone else.

A room safe is an incentive for those with intentions to do harm. I always pick a hotel with safety boxes in reception. I just use a room safe for small change.[/QUOTE]If you stay in a crap hotel where the manager has given the 'open sesame' security key to all the staff then this may be true. But in decades of travelling I have never had a

Problem with room safes; the reputation of the hotel is at stake if the security is breached.

Once I used front desk security, lost the key to my personal safe box and the lad on the front desk found a duplicate in a drawer in less than 30 seconds.

Thieves are opportunists. I find a combination padlock secured suit case with an electric cable tie the best solution if I stay in dubious hotels.

[QUOTE=Amberti;1352616]I always pick a hotel with safety boxes in reception. I just use a room safe for small change.[/QUOTE]I should have added. For FFS do you spend a day driving around a dozen hotels looking for one with front office safe (s).

Time better spent on mongering methinks.

I was at the Greenery room once and I lost my key. She had to call the owner and it took him a half day to show up, drill it out and replace the lock. I suppose you could ask them up front what would happen if you loose the key.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353001]I should have added. For FFS do you spend a day driving around a dozen hotels looking for one with front office safe (s).

Time better spent on mongering methinks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Ted;1352966]I did this when I arrived a month ago, and the lady at the stand said 1500? When I turned around she went down to 1300 quickly. Are there more than one stand?[/QUOTE]I don't know where you went bro. Are you sure you went to the taxi stand downstairs where it says ground transportation and not one of the booths inside? Or maybe on one of the upper levels?

The fare is set by law, so there is no wiggle room. That's precisely why they write the price on the dispatch sheet, which gives you numbers to call if you're asked for extras.

I've literally done this dozens of times, including again last month. Always the same price. Never any hassles or even questions other than "where you go?"

Does anyone know if Grand Sole Pattaya Beach is girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1352987]One of the things we like about Asian girls (and also Brazilian and Central American, I would add) is their easy approach to sex.

Having sex with strangers, not holding long relationships, is what makes them appealing to us, apart the overall cheap costs when you come to the monetary settlements (especially compared to the first world rates, back home).

I am not saying any Asian girl can be taken to bed with a wink, but I don't think either all girls get into the p4p system as they are money desperate.

They combine the economic advantage if earning money with something they are keen to do, don't have a problem to do and even enjoy to do: sex.

We then can't complain too much if they are unreliable on long term relationships, if they keep in working even when supported monthly from somebody abroad, if they prefer their own "home" environment rather than moving to the first world and spend the rest of their life with the stranger, often having little to share (apart the comfort of a much different life) , away from friends and relatives, in a different climate.

Certainly it looks strange to our eyes, that is for sure.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few girls who like casual sex in western world too. What makes unique with thirld world girls is they are not much bothered about the age issue. Western girls always want to date and have sex with around their age group.

In case of asian girls they genuinely seem to care for their older boyfriends atleast in public display. I do not think it all because of money and support.

In my personal experience they really seem to love and enjoy sex. Ofcourse all have some likings and dislikings. They all know long distance relationship with a foreigner does not last forever.

[QUOTE=Gettin Trim;1353327]I was at the Greenery room once and I lost my key. She had to call the owner and it took him a half day to show up, drill it out and replace the lock. I suppose you could ask them up front what would happen if you loose the key.[/QUOTE]They still use safes with keys? The one I bought at Carrefour (now Big C Xtra) on sale for 800 baht is the electronic kind. It comes with 2 tubular keys so if the person using it forgot the combination then the owner can pry the plastic plate off the front and open it with the key in order to get to the button that resets it.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1353449]What makes unique with thirld world girls is they are not much bothered about the age issue. Western girls always want to date and have sex with around their age group. In case of asian girls they genuinely seem to care for their older boyfriends atleast in public display. I do not think it all because of money and support. In my personal experience they really seem to love and enjoy sex. Ofcourse all have some likings and dislikings. They all know long distance relationship with a foreigner does not last forever.[/QUOTE]Don't fool yourself. The Asian girls are the same as the Western ones. Women are women. They want someone of their own age. If you see them cuddling up with grandpa then you know it is a money thing. You probably think Anna Nicole Smith was really in love with the 80 year old billionaire guy and would have married him the same if he was a retired garbage collector too.

[QUOTE=Sean EZ;1352449]Hi Wildhawk, I booked the Phuket flight. Not too bad 90 pounds round trip from BKK on Air Asia. Been to Phuket once, beautiful beaches and other activities like scuba diving and ATV rides etc. I speak Russian so there are plenty Russian girls there, though I imagine most people don't go for Russians in Phuket! Anyways looking forward to it, thanks for your reply.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a fair price. I know I paid way too much for a Thai Airways flight a couple years back. More time was spent loading the flight (first time I've ever been on a 747 for an hourlong flight) than air time.

I don't think you'll regret your choice. Don't know much about the Russian girls, but there is plenty of P4P, for sure. Have a great, and safe, journey.

[QUOTE=Null Avenger;1352534]As always depends on your tastes, budget, and time. I appreciate 18 year olds without any surgery or children, so my advice will come from that perspective: *snip*.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. Your tastes probably run similar to mine (though older is fine for me as long as they are hot and fit / slim). Are there many places that have incall st areas? I don't really want the hassle of bringing a girl back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1352982]...The only contribution I would like to make is regarding the price. Go-go rates are more like ST = 2, 000 baht and LT = 4, 000. The beer bars are definitely cheaper, the BF is around 300 baht, ST between 500 and 1, 000 and LT between 1, 500 and 2, 000...[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the same Pattaya? 4000? I have yet to meet a GOGO girl who would not have been ok with 2000 LT (Unless they don't want to do LT at all). Of course if everyone pays up they will then try 5000 and 6000.

For 4000 to 6000 Baht you can get a Thai girl LT in Hong Kong or Singapore.

I followed the taxi signs inside the terminal to the lower level and went out to the curb where there were lots of taxis and one girl behind a stand, so presumably this is the right place? Has anybody else been quoted 1500 like me?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1353436]I don't know where you went bro. Are you sure you went to the taxi stand downstairs where it says ground transportation and not one of the booths inside? Or maybe on one of the upper levels?

The fare is set by law, so there is no wiggle room. That's precisely why they write the price on the dispatch sheet, which gives you numbers to call if you're asked for extras.

I've literally done this dozens of times, including again last month. Always the same price. Never any hassles or even questions other than "where you go?"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Demecius;1353691]Very interesting. Your tastes probably run similar to mine (though older is fine for me as long as they are hot and fit / slim). Are there many places that have incall st areas? I don't really want the hassle of bringing a girl back to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Soi 6: every bar will have acess to ST rooms.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1353731]Are you talking about the same Pattaya? 4000? I have yet to meet a GOGO girl who would not have been ok with 2000 LT (Unless they don't want to do LT at all). Of course if everyone pays up they will then try 5000 and 6000.

For 4000 to 6000 Baht you can get a Thai girl LT in Hong Kong or Singapore.[/QUOTE]. What he said, as long as the bar doesn't charge differently between short time and long time, I take the girls out on short time. If we have chemistry and they are having a good time, they will stay long time [Sometimes its hard to get them to leave]; If they are not having a good time they would have rabbited even if you took them LT.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1353733]Soi 6: every bar will have acess to ST rooms.[/QUOTE]Even if the bar doesn't have a ST room available [or occupied], the girls or the mamasan will be happy to point you to one of the nearest and ubiquitous short time hotels in the area.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888; 1353731]Are you talking about the same Pattaya? 4000? I have yet to meet a GOGO girl who would not have been ok with 2000 LT (Unless they don't want to do LT at all). Of course if everyone pays up they will then try 5000 and 6000.

For 4000 to 6000 Baht you can get a Thai girl LT in Hong Kong or Singapore.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid that 2000 is the ST rate for quality go-go girls in Pattaya these days and most of them want 4000 for LT.

The times of 1000 ST and 2000 LT for go-go girls has gone.

Back in big P for the first time since 1987. My wife and I are here only overnight and found Baywalk Residence suitable for our needs. It is cheap, nice enough, and centrally located.

I got a Thai massage from a 38-year-old with a nice face and beautiful knockers. Her English wasn't much; she claimed to have lived in ItItaly for a decade. She was a nice woman but all business. No touching. I didn't even try because it was obvious.

At my advanced age I find it laughable to go out with girls who could be almost my great-granddaughters. So I found a nice older woman in a bar on a side street. She was not standard-beautiful but very attractive. Two problems: No English, which I could overlook. The dealbreaker was that she was on her period. She seemed genuinely surprised that I even wanted to barfine her. Her female boss conductd the negotiations up to the revelation about her period.

I finally hit paydirt with a 40-year-old mother of two. Negligible body damage on an incredible body. Enough English. A real pro but in the playful Thai way. Since I could not take her to my hotel for obvious reasons, she solved the problem by telling me right off the bat that her bar had a boom-boom room upstairs. Clean, with fresh sheets. 800 bath, all included. If I overpaid, I don't care.

Overall impressions: A surprising number of gay bars and massage establishments. Ditto for katoys soliciting business on Beach Road even in daytime. Lots of Russians, and Indians. Also many men behave in shemale way, including a hotel receptionist.

I tried Cappra with good results.

More if more happens.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1353761]I'm afraid that 2000 is the ST rate for quality go-go girls in Pattaya these days and most of them want 4000 for LT.

The times of 1000 ST and 2000 LT for go-go girls has gone.[/QUOTE]Well done to all the overpayers then. I will not share bargains anymore and hope others don't spoil the leftover secrets either.

Maybe you guys haven't been on Walking Street for a while (I don't blame you if that's the case. Now a tourist zoo filled with families, and Russians, Indians, Malaysians and Arabs that walk up and down the street in packs of 20). In a lot of "high end" places, girls want 3000+ short time and 5000-7000 LT (if they'll go LT at all, many won't). No, I'm not shitting you. Try to take one of those girls with a bolt-on rack from the popular lesbian shows and see what they quote you. Some of these girls won't go out with anyone at all now. They're just there to be eye candy. At least one go go bar now has lapdances. Fucking lapdances! The last recourse of the horny repressed westerner!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354078]Maybe you guys haven't been on Walking Street for a while (I don't blame you if that's the case. Now a tourist zoo filled with families, and Russians, Indians, Malaysians and Arabs that walk up and down the street in packs of 20). In a lot of "high end" places, girls want 3000+ short time and 5000-7000 LT (if they'll go LT at all, many won't). No, I'm not shitting you. Try to take one of those girls with a bolt-on rack from the popular lesbian shows and see what they quote you. Some of these girls won't go out with anyone at all now. They're just there to be eye candy. At least one go go bar now has lapdances. Fucking lapdances! The last recourse of the horny repressed westerner![/QUOTE]Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the posts in the Bangkok thread (never been to Thailand) , but can't have a soapy massage and receive FS for less than 2000? Some of the girls on those websites look hot. 2000. 3000 ST in Pattaya seems silly (again, from the perspective of someone who hasn't been there. Take it as you may).

This morning dawned nice and cool before the heat and humidity set in. I took a stroll. A woman smiled at me on Beach Road, not far from Pizza Hut. I thought she was a vendor waiting to set up."What are you selling?" I asked."Boom-boom," she answered.

I like mature Thai ladies. Pot was 38, the mother of two. Nice set of real hooters and a pleasant body.

We walked to a nearby guesthouse where the lobby television blared in German. A wash before and after, everything covered. One shot. I did not try to bargain. 500 bahts to her. 100 bahts to the guesthouse.

Ya, I hear you. I hate when they clean up a nice town. With all the efforts to "clean the country up" there's getting fewer and fewer places. I can't ever seem to land in Splattaya anymore when it's not high season. Last time I was there a few months ago there were I think 4 US Navy ships anchored. Not to mention about a thousand tour buses with black smoke pouring out.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354078]Maybe you guys haven't been on Walking Street for a while (I don't blame you if that's the case. Now a tourist zoo filled with families, and Russians, Indians, Malaysians and Arabs that walk up and down the street in packs of 20). In a lot of "high end" places, girls want 3000+ short time and 5000-7000 LT (if they'll go LT at all, many won't). No, I'm not shitting you. Try to take one of those girls with a bolt-on rack from the popular lesbian shows and see what they quote you. Some of these girls won't go out with anyone at all now. They're just there to be eye candy. At least one go go bar now has lapdances. Fucking lapdances! The last recourse of the horny repressed westerner![/QUOTE]

I just couldn't resist. I don't know her number, because when I first saw her, she was nude. Fantastic body, awesome tits, nice butt, no tats. 157cm. 43 kg.

She said she was 20 years old, but on her ID, it said the year 2536, so I believe she is 19. I think that when Thai's are born, they call this age 1 and a year later they are 2. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.

It's too bad I didn't sit with her, to figure her out a bit. I should have known better, but she was so cute and I was thinking with my other head.

We went to a short time room. From the moment we walked out Super Baby door, she's on her phone -texting. I figured she'd stop when we got to the room. I showered first, but she kept on texting. Back and forth. Pissed me off. Finally got her to stop texting, she showered and the deed was done.

Since the bar collected the "tip" ahead of time, I had no leverage. I've never had a Pattaya bar collect before hand.

From now on, I will not pull a girl from a bar with the fee paid up front. I want my leverage.

Bar Fine. 600 baht.

ST. 2000 baht.

ST Rm. 350 baht

My 2012 Fall Trip

Part V: 4 nights in Pattaya.

Pattaya was great this October. I hooked up with a sexy little minx from Airport A Go Go. She was very funny, the sex was great, and she could almost drink me under the table. As a result, I drank way more than I should have and stayed up way past my bed time. You should have seen the two of us stumbling back to the Marriott late at night after barhopping Walking Street. I practically had to carry her on my shoulder. I don't usually drink and party so much, but what the hell. Pattaya is a party town. It was a wild 4 nights. I bar finned Miss Airport 3 times during my stay. I paid her 2000bt for ST the first night and after that 3000bt for LT. She was a keeper. The real expense of this girl was the Tequila shots all night long, but it was fun.

I also hooked up with my seriously good looking friend from a previous trip. She is one of the stunners at What's Up, the most expensive Go Go on Walking Street. In my field report back in March 2012, I jokingly called her the future Mrs. Natty Bumpo because I spent so many nights and afternoons with her. I gave my old friend 4000bt LT when I took her out of her bar on our reunion night. A day later we had lunch and afternoon shag. I gave her 2000bt for the afternoon plus she got me to buy her some cosmetics at the mall for $70. I am a softy. She kept saying you want me to look good. I said yeah, baby you look great. You don't need any makeup. She just laughed. Women!

Funny thing: I was with her at What's Up on my 2nd to last night. She was up on the stage dancing when I saw a look on her face like something bad was happening. Her friend, who was keeping me company, saw it too. After her dance set, she went straight to the bathroom and did not come back to the table for 20 minutes. Her time of the month had just arrived. She invited another girl over and asked me if I wanted to take the new girl tonight. The new girl was very attractive, but I decided to play it cool and said I did not want anybody else, only her. So I bar fined Mrs. Natty anyway, not for sex, just for her company, and she took me to a very good open air seafood restaurant off 2nd road. I forgot the name, but I remember how to get there. I will go back. After dinner we parted. Her friend had joined us and that was that. It was around 1:30am. She suggested I take one of those lorry taxis or whatever they are called back to the Marriott. I told her I preferred to walk. We kissed and said good bye.

But I had no intention of going back to my hotel. I had played the gentleman, now it was time to be a punter and to get laid. I walked back to Walking Street and decided to see if my little hottie at Airport was still around. As I walked in she was just getting off the stage. As soon as she a saw me, she gave me a big smile and fell in my arms. She was ploughed. She grabbed my hand and led me over to an empty chair along the wall. We started kissing pretty passionately. Then she broke off and turned towards another guy sitting behind her and said something to him and then turned back to me with a guilty smile. She told me this guy behind her was her customer. All I knew was he had to have seen my entrance into the bar and her warm welcome that I had received. I saw the humor in it however, I did not want to cut in on another punters game, so after a few minutes, I moved down the bar towards where the sauna girls hang out. They were happy to see me and I played around with them for a while. The Mamasan came over and greeted me. She is a great mama IMHO. I give her a lot of the credit for making Airport the party bar it is. Sizing up my situation, she immediately brought over two girls for my approval. She said something in Thai to the girls about yours truly and they instantly started throwing themselves at me, but I wasn't that attracted. I like to find my own talent and there was a little 18 year old Chinese looking Vodka waitress that I did have the hot's for. But she was acting a little shy and I got the idea that she might not have been bar fined before so I did not push it with her. I meant to talk to the Mama about this. But then my sexy minx comes over and she asks me if I want to bar fine her tonight. I say yeah, that's why I came by, but what about your customer? She tells me he is leaving and she has already said goodbye to him. I look over and the poor slub is paying his bar tab and he leaves empty handed. All I have to say to this guy who must have spent a bundle getting my little hottie drunk; guy, if you are reading this, you really blew it. This girl is hot. She has a great 22 year old body, fantastic natural "B" cups that defy gravity, a great pussy with big tan puffy vulva, a great ass, plus she is a great lay and a lot of fun to party with. Thanks for bowing out.

Now my hottie is plastered. God knows how many drinks she has already had. I did not know how much she had been drinking at the time, so I order some Tequila shots for the two of us and the Mama and the Chinese looking Vodka girl. Planting the seed, guys, planting the seed. I am going to get the Vodka girl when I return to Pattaya in March. So after a few more Tequilas shots, maybe 4 or 5 in total, it is now after 2am and it is time to leave. Only as we leave the bar do I realize just how far gone 'N' is when she nearly falls over into Walking Street. Her friend asks me to look after her. I am pretty wasted myself. It is all good and somehow we make it back to the Marriott. Ordinarily, security never cards my girls, but this night she got carded. We must have been a wild sight. She could barely stand and I was not too much better off.

We get to the room I put her on the bed and she immediately passes out. I am ok with that. I have had her once already. 2 times in fact, so I know I will get some good stuff later. I do my bedtime routine and then I go over to her and help her take off her clothes. Then I get into bed next to her. She rolls over and wraps her arms around me and we both pass out. I awake around 5am with a raging hard on. We are still lying in each other's arms. I start to hump her a little, not too hard, and she wakes up and starts kissing me. A good early morning half-awake shag ensues and then we fall asleep again until 11. She gets up first and starts to shower and I join her. Soapy shower then that leads to another session. I can't resist her puffy lips and go down on her. Then as I am licking her and she is getting very wet, I maneuver my body around towards her head and we go into a 69 with me on top. This is followed by cowgirl, then reverse cowgirl and then I finish her off with doggie. It was a great session.

We shower again and I take some pictures. Then we go down stairs for some coffee. She forgets to take her I'd. I kiss her a few times, put her in a taxi, and we say goodbye. I tell her I will see her again tonight. I now have a big hangover. I relax by the pool and have a Mango smoothie. A couple of hours later Mrs. Natty calls. She asks if I want to get together for lunch. I tell her I can't. I am too hung over. She asks, 'you didn't go back to your hotel last night? ' I tell her no, I went out to some bars and drank. She asks if I went back to What's Up. I tell her no, but I do tell her where I went. I leave out the action part, but she knows the score. This is Pattaya and I like to shag Thai girls, period, that is why I am here. Talking about her period, she asks if I am going to stop by her bar tonight. I tell her no, I am going to take it easy. By 9pm I am feeling real good again. I first stop by Peppermint Go Go. I see some attractive possibilities there. I buy a drink for one girl. She is nice. I think she would have been good, but around 10pm I say goodbye and I head over to Airport. N sees me and flashes a big smile from the stage. I sit down near the sauna girls again and say hi. The Chinese Tequila girl comes by and says hello. I am feeling pretty good. N joins me. I give her back her I'd. She didn't even know she lost it. She gives me a very sexy smile, we embrace, she dirty dances for me, I order Tequila shots again and another great night begins.

In the morning I say goodbye to my sexy Go Go friend. Mr. Keuk's taxi picks me up on time and we head off to Don Muang airport and Macau. I felt a little sad to be leaving Pattaya so soon, but it was a great side trip from Bangkok. By the time I got to Don Muang, I was already thinking about the gorgeous Chinese Sauna girl I was about to have in just a couple of hours. In Macau I got a few texts from Mrs. Natty. I will be seeing more of her and Miss Airport when I return in March. Life is good. I love Thai girls.

P. S. October is a real good time to visit Thailand. It rains some, but there is plenty of sun too. It was a pleasure to walk down Walking Street without the hordes of winter tourists. The good bars had plenty of customers, but they never felt crowded. It felt good to be here in the fall. Bring an umbrella.

Loved the report, thanks for writing this enjoyable post.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1354159]My 2012 Fall Trip

Part V: 4 nights in Pattaya.

Pattaya was great this October. I hooked up with a sexy little minx from Airport A Go Go. She was very funny, the sex was great, and she could almost drink me under the table. As a result, I drank way more than I should have and stayed up way past my bed time. You should have seen the two of us stumbling back to the Marriott late at night after barhopping Walking Street. I practically had to carry her on my shoulder. I don't usually drink and party so much, but what the hell. Pattaya is a party town. It was a wild 4 nights. I bar finned Miss Airport 3 times during my stay. I paid her 2000bt for ST the first night and after that 3000bt for LT. She was a keeper. The real expense of this girl was the Tequila shots all night long, but it was fun.

I also hooked up with my seriously good looking friend from a previous trip. She is one of the stunners at What's Up, the most expensive Go Go on Walking Street. In my field report back in March 2012, I jokingly called her the future Mrs. Natty Bumpo because I spent so many nights and afternoons with her. I gave my old friend 4000bt LT when I took her out of her bar on our reunion night. A day later we had lunch and afternoon shag. I gave her 2000bt for the afternoon plus she got me to buy her some cosmetics at the mall for $70. I am a softy. She kept saying you want me to look good. I said yeah, baby you look great. You don't need any makeup. She just laughed. Women!

Funny thing: I was with her at What's Up on my 2nd to last night. She was up on the stage dancing when I saw a look on her face like something bad was happening. Her friend, who was keeping me company, saw it too. After her dance set, she went straight to the bathroom and did not come back to the table for 20 minutes. Her time of the month had just arrived. She invited another girl over and asked me if I wanted to take the new girl tonight. The new girl was very attractive, but I decided to play it cool and said I did not want anybody else, only her. So I bar fined Mrs. Natty anyway, not for sex, just for her company, and she took me to a very good open air seafood restaurant off 2nd road. I forgot the name, but I remember how to get there. I will go back. After dinner we parted. Her friend had joined us and that was that. It was around 1:30am. She suggested I take one of those lorry taxis or whatever they are called back to the Marriott. I told her I preferred to walk. We kissed and said good bye.

But I had no intention of going back to my hotel. I had played the gentleman, now it was time to be a punter and to get laid. I walked back to Walking Street and decided to see if my little hottie at Airport was still around. As I walked in she was just getting off the stage. As soon as she a saw me, she gave me a big smile and fell in my arms. She was ploughed. She grabbed my hand and led me over to an empty chair along the wall. We started kissing pretty passionately. Then she broke off and turned towards another guy sitting behind her and said something to him and then turned back to me with a guilty smile. She told me this guy behind her was her customer. All I knew was he had to have seen my entrance into the bar and her warm welcome that I had received. I saw the humor in it however, I did not want to cut in on another punters game, so after a few minutes, I moved down the bar towards where the sauna girls hang out. They were happy to see me and I played around with them for a while. The Mamasan came over and greeted me. She is a great mama IMHO. I give her a lot of the credit for making Airport the party bar it is. Sizing up my situation, she immediately brought over two girls for my approval. She said something in Thai to the girls about yours truly and they instantly started throwing themselves at me, but I wasn't that attracted. I like to find my own talent and there was a little 18 year old Chinese looking Vodka waitress that I did have the hot's for. But she was acting a little shy and I got the idea that she might not have been bar fined before so I did not push it with her. I meant to talk to the Mama about this. But then my sexy minx comes over and she asks me if I want to bar fine her tonight. I say yeah, that's why I came by, but what about your customer? She tells me he is leaving and she has already said goodbye to him. I look over and the poor slub is paying his bar tab and he leaves empty handed. All I have to say to this guy who must have spent a bundle getting my little hottie drunk; guy, if you are reading this, you really blew it. This girl is hot. She has a great 22 year old body, fantastic natural "B" cups that defy gravity, a great pussy with big tan puffy vulva, a great ass, plus she is a great lay and a lot of fun to party with. Thanks for bowing out.

Now my hottie is plastered. God knows how many drinks she has already had. I did not know how much she had been drinking at the time, so I order some Tequila shots for the two of us and the Mama and the Chinese looking Vodka girl. Planting the seed, guys, planting the seed. I am going to get the Vodka girl when I return to Pattaya in March. So after a few more Tequilas shots, maybe 4 or 5 in total, it is now after 2am and it is time to leave. Only as we leave the bar do I realize just how far gone 'N' is when she nearly falls over into Walking Street. Her friend asks me to look after her. I am pretty wasted myself. It is all good and somehow we make it back to the Marriott. Ordinarily, security never cards my girls, but this night she got carded. We must have been a wild sight. She could barely stand and I was not too much better off.

We get to the room I put her on the bed and she immediately passes out. I am ok with that. I have had her once already. 2 times in fact, so I know I will get some good stuff later. I do my bedtime routine and then I go over to her and help her take off her clothes. Then I get into bed next to her. She rolls over and wraps her arms around me and we both pass out. I awake around 5am with a raging hard on. We are still lying in each other's arms. I start to hump her a little, not too hard, and she wakes up and starts kissing me. A good early morning half-awake shag ensues and then we fall asleep again until 11. She gets up first and starts to shower and I join her. Soapy shower then that leads to another session. I can't resist her puffy lips and go down on her. Then as I am licking her and she is getting very wet, I maneuver my body around towards her head and we go into a 69 with me on top. This is followed by cowgirl, then reverse cowgirl and then I finish her off with doggie. It was a great session.

We shower again and I take some pictures. Then we go down stairs for some coffee. She forgets to take her I'd. I kiss her a few times, put her in a taxi, and we say goodbye. I tell her I will see her again tonight. I now have a big hangover. I relax by the pool and have a Mango smoothie. A couple of hours later Mrs. Natty calls. She asks if I want to get together for lunch. I tell her I can't. I am too hung over. She asks, 'you didn't go back to your hotel last night? ' I tell her no, I went out to some bars and drank. She asks if I went back to What's Up. I tell her no, but I do tell her where I went. I leave out the action part, but she knows the score. This is Pattaya and I like to shag Thai girls, period, that is why I am here. Talking about her period, she asks if I am going to stop by her bar tonight. I tell her no, I am going to take it easy. By 9pm I am feeling real good again. I first stop by Peppermint Go Go. I see some attractive possibilities there. I buy a drink for one girl. She is nice. I think she would have been good, but around 10pm I say goodbye and I head over to Airport. N sees me and flashes a big smile from the stage. I sit down near the sauna girls again and say hi. The Chinese Tequila girl comes by and says hello. I am feeling pretty good. N joins me. I give her back her I'd. She didn't even know she lost it. She gives me a very sexy smile, we embrace, she dirty dances for me, I order Tequila shots again and another great night begins.

In the morning I say goodbye to my sexy Go Go friend. Mr. Keuk's taxi picks me up on time and we head off to Don Muang airport and Macau. I felt a little sad to be leaving Pattaya so soon, but it was a great side trip from Bangkok. By the time I got to Don Muang, I was already thinking about the gorgeous Chinese Sauna girl I was about to have in just a couple of hours. In Macau I got a few texts from Mrs. Natty. I will be seeing more of her and Miss Airport when I return in March. Life is good. I love Thai girls.

P. S. October is a real good time to visit Thailand. It rains some, but there is plenty of sun too. It was a pleasure to walk down Walking Street without the hordes of winter tourists. The good bars had plenty of customers, but they never felt crowded. It felt good to be here in the fall. Bring an umbrella.[/QUOTE]

Great! You loved the report. SO did I! So snip the report to a few lines instead of it being quoted in its entirety.

[QUOTE=Guitarrefreak;1354184]Loved the report, thanks for writing this enjoyable post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guitarrefreak;1354184]Loved the report, thanks for writing this enjoyable post.[/QUOTE]You posted 6 screens of a quote just to add 1 (one) line of comment. Please consider editing the quotes. If some one wants to read the whole quote they can click [View Original Post]. Some people read the forums on smart phones and tablets and scrolling through a long quote is a pain.

As a senior member you should know better.

Slim

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1353840]Well done to all the overpayers then. I will not share bargains anymore and hope others don't spoil the leftover secrets either.[/QUOTE]The problem is that's what we have remaining. Leftovers.

I've seen a serious decline in attitudes on Beach Road over the last year or so.

[QUOTE=Amberti; 1352616]Don't forget. Just as you can open the room safe so can everyone else.

A room safe is an incentive for those with intentions to do harm. I always pick a hotel with safety boxes in reception. I just use a room safe for small change.[/QUOTE]All room safes I have encountered had electronic locks with a 4-digit safety code you chose yourself.

Three wrongly entered codes and the safe can only be opened with a special key from the front desk.

Safe enough for me and I have never lost stuff from one of those.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1355108]The problem is that's what we have remaining. Leftovers.

I've seen a serious decline in attitudes on Beach Road over the last year or so.[/QUOTE]I would not go so far as to call them leftovers; just generally decreasing numbers. As is the consensus here, the girls have chosen the path of freelancing or ex bosses have chosen it for them. Add to this, non punters who sit around and aggravate the freelancers with their wishful vulgarity and general irritating behaviour and drunkenness. I love my my alcohol, when under the influence my behaviour as always is non troubling. Just take a walk along Beach Road and spot the amount of guys sitting there making remarks to the nearby girls who clearly do not want them around 'lousing it up' and effecting business. How many time I have seen a girl I like but some guy is sat distracting her, she is not going to be outwardly rude to these guys.

It is no wonder a little blowback will occur from the spunkier girls. When I have declined a persistent girl I have had several remarks thrown at me by the disappointed girls, I suppose this goes with the territory.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me; 1354118]Super Baby.

Since the bar collected the "tip" ahead of time, I had no leverage. I've never had a Pattaya bar collect before hand.

From now on, I will not pull a girl from a bar with the fee paid up front. I want my leverage.

Bar Fine. 600 baht.

ST. 2000 baht.

ST Rm. 350 baht[/QUOTE]Super Baby and Super Girl both charge this currently. Once they started doing this I saw other gogo prices go up. There's a lot of "agency" girls now spread throughout the gogos who ask high prices or won't go with customers because they make enough from their salary + drinks. This might be what makes LK Metro more attractive than WS.

If they want upfront prices I try to change their mind but I rarely have issues with this happening. Living Dolls Showcase tried to do this to me once out of my many visits there and the mamasan wasn't nice and kept quoting me prices based on minutes so I politely declined and she got pissy with me about it and I just blew it off. I left. And when I stopped by a month later she was no longer there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1349164]I was taking the gogo girl home and right before Beach Road turned to Walking Street we got pulled over by a cop. There were at least 2 Thai people driving motorbikes ahead of us but he pointed to us to pull over. I pulled over and said what the fuck dude. Without him asking I pulled out my Thai license and showed it to him. He asked where I was from. I said America. He gave my license back and asked if I was okay now. I said sabai dee and drove off.

A little while ago I met up with my married girl at the mall (she is not Thai but lives here with her farang husband). We came back to my place for a romp. As I was taking her back to pick up her car another cop tried to pull us over. I stopped the bike and yelled at him and said I was tired of this bullshit everyday. I don't know if it was the same cop from two days ago or not, but the guy said oh oh sorry and told me to keep going. My girl asked me what that was about. I told her that they just want to get money from foreigners who do not have a license.[/QUOTE]This is interesting. I am pulled over about once a month and show my non-Thai car I'd and they let me go. The last time they said it's not an International license and gave me a ticket for 200 baht and I decided not to offer a tip since the station was on the way to where I was headed the next day. I've been lazy to go spend a day getting a Thai motobike license since I will have to take the driving test. Anyway, I went to the station, paid 200 baht, and they gave me my I'd back right then.

[quote]This might be what makes LK Metro more attractive than WS.[/quote]Must be, because it certainly isn't the girls! Let's be honest, the girls in general look WAY better in the WS gogos. There are some absolute 10's in some of the high end bars.

Quick question. I leave in 4 days and have NOT got any vaccinations. Am in trouble or what? I've heard mixed responses but a little more opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Intlluv; 1355680]Quick question. I leave in 4 days and have NOT got any vaccinations. Am in trouble or what? I've heard mixed responses but a little more opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks[/QUOTE]There are no vaccinations absolutely required for Thailand. I got tetanus and Hep A & B vaccinations last year and probably will get rabies vaccination next time.

If you do not have the hepatitis shots then be careful with the food and always have covered FS. You should be OK then.

And it is always a good idea to give stray dogs and cats a wide berth.

Not been here long, first day walking down soi 13/3 stopped for a cold beer, it was a very quiet bar with only 1 girl and her boss there. I was made very welcome and had the full attention of the one and only bar girl, she was constantly massaging me while I was drinking my beer. Decided to take her back to my hotel, as usual very hard body and a nice tight little box.

However she was fairly poor in bed and just lied back without any participation at all, she is good company so I will keep her for 2 nights then I will apply the 2 night rule.

Had a good massage and knuckle shuffle on soi bacou (Lucy's massage) she really knew how to get the trouser snake throbbing not the usual rapid rub but a sensual tickle on the bell end for quite a long time until just about to shoot then a good grip and stroke.

Beach road has the stalls selling tourist stuff so the girls are not there in abundance, Pattaya is heading in the wrong direction for forum members. Shared a taxi from the airport with a gentleman from Wales who has a Condo in Jomtiem. 77 years young and still managing to get it up, hope I can follow in his footsteps.

May the force be with you.

My girl for the last 2 days departed this morning, it was a bit of a struggle to get her to leave but I am a softie. One of my intentions while I am here is to visit Lollitas again, I have been several times before and know they have free WiFi. I have a few emails to send to colleagues at work today as it is Monday, my intention is to send them as I am being blown the spelling might be off a little but who cares. This would be another first for me, I have been trying to find some girls with glasses to line up but it is hard. I spotted one on Soi 8 in October but she appears to have moved on.

The stalls on beach road have now moved and there was lots of girls last night, I may try one later if I have enough stamina from my Lollitas visit.

A question for those in the know, are there 2 Ninja restaurants? As I reported I visited the other night but I am sure it was not the same place I went a couple of years back.

May the force be with you, next report could be a dyslexic one from Lollitas.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1356179]A question for those in the know, are there 2 Ninja restaurants? As I reported I visited the other night but I am sure it was not the same place I went a couple of years back.[/QUOTE]Just know of the one on 3rd Road.

Currently having a blowjob in tbe above, staff are fairly poor bur enthuiastic.

Password for internt is blowjobs this is for the tight bastards who want to sit outside.

May the force be withme

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1355249]I would not go so far as to call them leftovers; just generally decreasing numbers. As is the consensus here, the girls have chosen the path of freelancing or ex bosses have chosen it for them. Add to this, non punters who sit around and aggravate the freelancers with their wishful vulgarity and general irritating behaviour and drunkenness.

It is no wonder a little blowback will occur from the spunkier girls. When I have declined a persistent girl I have had several remarks thrown at me by the disappointed girls, I suppose this goes with the territory.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya last month and this is a good description of the situation. The daytime beach road SW scene was quite disappointing compared to my previous trips. Appearances not as good, prices higher, and attitudes more apparent.

My advice would be to keep your expectations low for daytime BR mongering. Maybe there has been some agreement between the ladies and the local authorities to clean up the area during the day for the FLOOD of Russian tourists descending on the beach, because it seems only the hard core SW's remain during daylight hours.

From dusk forward the scene improves considerably in terms of both quality and quantity, but the night time also brings out the LB's which presents a whole other set of variables.

SunLover

Finished with business, the girls certainly are professional. As I said no lookers when I arrived but at 17:00 hours more started to arrive and some looked OK, it was really funny seeing industry at work, when the girls arrive they go to the clock machine near the bar and clock on. I think this is the type of place which should be supported by forum members, air con is good, free wifi and quite smart inside. They serve bottles of wine with a donation to charity, doesn't seem to attract the many knuckle draggers here. 700 baht for a blow job is good value, I have been having a massage with knuckle shuffle and that costs 300-400+tip 500. I know it can be had for 300 tip but I am shit at negotiating especially when I have a bone on. I have seen the Pattaya section is unusually quiet at the moment so I will do my best to keep posting. Still looking for sex with specs!

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1356267]. As I said no lookers when I arrived.

May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]Why not go to the bliss lounge instead?.3rd road-

Better service, cheaper, better looking girls.

Search the forum or google for directions.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1356224]Currently having a blowjob in tbe above, staff are fairly poor bur enthuiastic.Password for internt is blowjobs this is for the tight bastards who want to sit outside.May the force be withme[/QUOTE]Wonder what will happen when, one day, ISG will have a webcam live forum. LOL

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1356224]Currently having a blowjob in tbe above, staff are fairly poor bur enthuiastic.

Password for internt is blowjobs this is for the tight bastards who want to sit outside.

May the force be withme[/QUOTE]This, in it's own unique way is a report of distinction. Well done!

Hello friends, I'm new here. Do I understand fine or I understand wrong? Do I have to pay 2000 bats for ST and 5-6000 bats for LT (around $180) to fuck a beautiful girl in Pattaya? I have always known Pattaya is very cheap to fuck. How much money fuking costs usually? My idea was to reach Pattaya in February but if fucking is so expensive I will reach another place.
Thanks for some info.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1356495]Hello friends, I'm new here. Do I understand fine or I understand wrong? Do I have to pay 2000 bats for ST and 5-6000 bats for LT (around $180) to fuck a beautiful girl in Pattaya? I have always known Pattaya is very cheap to fuck. How much money fuking costs usually? My idea was to reach Pattaya in February but if fucking is so expensive I will reach another place.

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]$30. Short time.

$60. Long time.

Bar fine not included. Hands down, Bacara Go-Go has the best lookers, highest bar fine too.

My perspective.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd; 1356506]$30. Short time.

$60. Long time.

Bar fine not included. Hands down, Bacara Go-Go has the best lookers, highest bar fine too.

My perspective.[/QUOTE]Sorry to bring you back to reality, my friend, but it's generally 2000 baht ($60) short time and 4000 baht ($120) long time for Bacarra girls, (twice as much as you are saying) , and the bar fine there is NOT the highest; it's 600 baht except on special holidays.

Like I said before; the days of 1000 ST and 2000 LT are long gone in the quality go-go bars.

Beach road has the stalls selling tourist stuff so the girls are not there in abundance,

Are the vendors still set up?

Tried to keep off the beer all day as I am drinking far too much this visit, only had a couple in Lollitas during my stay. Headed out for a walk around 18:30 along beach road and then up Soi 7, got lured into one of the bars and had a good chat with an older bar woman 40+ after about 6 or 7 beers, the beer goggles came on and I was contemplating taking her. Got distracted by a girl who said she remembered me from a couple of months back, I couldn't remember her but as I hadn't told her I had been there before maybe she was telling the truth. Carried on my walk (stagger) up soi7 then called in a few bars on 2nd road. From then on the night is a blur, I remember my last bar of the evening on soi Diana, I can't believe it but I fell in love with a ladyboy who was behind the bar. At first I honestly didn't realise he was a ladyboy and bought him several drinks, he told me his name was Neal but I still was in love he was the prettiest thing on Soi Diana. By this time I was wrecked and needed to get back to my hotel before I got in serious trouble, he fixed me up with one of the girls in the bar who took me back. I was pleasantly surprised this morning when I woke up beside her as she was very pretty and gave me a morning slackener.

The bar with the lady boy is opposite Areca lodge or around about there, can't remember the name. I will check him out again and probably find he has a hairy chest or looks like Arnold Swartzenegger.

May the force be with you.

The vendors had gone last night when I walked from my hotel to Soi 7. I also noticed a few girls around, as I said in the previous report this was around 18:30.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1356588]The vendors had gone last night when I walked from my hotel to Soi 7. I also noticed a few girls around, as I said in the previous report this was around 18:30.[/QUOTE]Good news. I'll come down Thurs. Thanks for update.

[quote]Hello friends, I'm new here. Do I understand fine or I understand wrong? Do I have to pay 2000 bats for ST and 5-6000 bats for LT (around $180) to fuck a beautiful girl in Pattaya? I have always known Pattaya is very cheap to fuck. How much money fuking costs usually? My idea was to reach Pattaya in February but if fucking is so expensive I will reach another place.

Thanks for some info.[/QUOTE]This are the real prices, as of last month:

Beach road girls 500 ST. 700-1000 LT (many, especially the hottest ones, won't do LT).

Short time girls on premises 700-1000 all in.

Beer bar girls 500-700 ST. 1000-1500 LT (I never paid more than 500/1000, but I saw other guys go higher, and I've had to turn some down who wanted that much).

Go Go girls 1500-3000 ST. 2000-6000 LT (depends on the bar and the girl, the top models from high end Walking Street spots want up to 6000 if they will even go out at all).

What makes a really beautiful girl is subjective. I've pulled some stunners out of out-of-the-way gogos far from walking street for 1500, but they are few and far between. Lots of great looking girls from beer bars too. 500-1200. Again a bit tough to find. And I wouldn't call those stunners.

Pattaya is not so cheap anymore. AC probably has the best girls to rate ratio. Central America has ST action for 5-7 USD all over, but looks leave a lot to be desired.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1356506]$60. Long time.[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks for your news. These are reasonable prices. But for Long Time do you mean overnight?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1356595]Central America has ST action for 5-7 USD all over, but looks leave a lot to be desired.[/QUOTE]Then better DIY.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1356595]Beach road girls 500 ST.[/QUOTE]How long time is ST? Is it at your hotel? Is it very short time? When I went to Jakarta it was a very relaxed time. It was 1 hour for ST at my hotel.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1356595]Pattaya is not so cheap anymore. AC probably has the best girls to rate ratio. Central America has ST action for 5-7 USD all over, but looks leave a lot to be desired.[/QUOTE]I know very fine from Panama to Argentina and Angel City too. I don't like AC at all. There is a little scene. What do you mean with "Central America"? I like very much Colombia, it is the first country for me. The second one is Peru. Girls are very girlfriendly and stunner even if you have to spend more money. But you will not regret about money.

AC is a shit hole, but I have no idea what you mean when you say it's a little scene. It's probably one of the bigger scenes anywhere in the world, especially considering how concentrated it is.

How long is ST? How long is a piece of string?

[quote]What do you mean with "Central America"?[/quote][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America[/url]

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?92-Central-America[/url]

Take some initiative guy. Google is great for stuff like this.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1356663]Google is great for stuff like this.[/QUOTE][b][red] I did not find Google in the abbreviation list, what is it all about? [/red] [/b] LMAO.

I might be kidding but sooner or later you will somebody will put the question

If you want to know what Pattaya is like nowadays, this is really all you have to see:

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/images/Pattaya-Walking-Street-Gogo.jpg

White tourists bringing their kids to pose for pictures with prostitutes.

Over the last few days spoke to countless girls in Go Gos, Beer bars, Massage parlours, the impression I feel is that quite a lot are developing an attitude problem. Where in the past if you decided to keep walking and not visit they generally continued to smile however now it seems they want to charge for it. Just had a stroll along beach road, walking street to soi7 quite a few ladies around again and some pretty ones, didn't get any attitude from these girls.

Watched the Police for 10 minutes, they were pulling over every farang on a motor bike in front of Central Mall beach road, they were checking driving documents, they never once stopped a Thai in the 10 minutes I watched. The jet ski scammers were at it again in front of Mike shopping Mall, the victims this time looked Korean. It really made me laugh when I looked at the statues of "the friendly Pattaya police" near the police staion.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1356677]Over the last few days spoke to countless girls in Go Gos, Beer bars, Massage parlours, the impression I feel is that quite a lot are developing an attitude problem. Where in the past if you decided to keep walking and not visit they generally continued to smile however now it seems they want to charge for it. Just had a stroll along beach road, walking street to soi7 quite a few ladies around again and some pretty ones, didn't get any attitude from these girls.[/QUOTE]Better Jakarta?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1356671]If you want to know what Pattaya is like nowadays, this is really all you have to see:

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/images/Pattaya-Walking-Street-Gogo.jpg[/url]

White tourists bringing their kids to pose for pictures with prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Actually, when I went in late 2011. Pattaya was full of Russians and other Northern Europeans. Although the majority of them were from Russia. I usually try to find a Westerner to have a drink with, ask for advice or something but on this trip, no such luck. I must of struck out like 250 times! I was also stunned by all the families walking around Walking Street past 10pm at night.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1356677]Watched the Police for 10 minutes, they were pulling over every farang on a motor bike in front of Central Mall beach road, they were checking driving documents, they never once stopped a Thai in the 10 minutes I watched. The jet ski scammers were at it again in front of Mike shopping Mall, the victims this time looked Korean. It really made me laugh when I looked at the statues of "the friendly Pattaya police" near the police staion.[/QUOTE]The thing is that when I'm there, I'm not stupid, obnoxious or drunk. Everyone I've seen scammed there were not using common sense. I saw a guy one time get scammed by the gem thing because he pulled out money in front of everybody for a cheap tuk ride. Remember that local theives in tourist areas and big cities across the planet can smell a sucker a mile away. A little knowledge goes far.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1352982]Excellent report and very comprehensive. The only contribution I would like to make is regarding the price. Go-go rates are more like ST = 2, 000 baht and LT = 4, 000. The beer bars are definitely cheaper, the BF is around 300 baht, ST between 500 and 1, 000 and LT between 1, 500 and 2, 000. That aside a very good guide for the first time visitor to Pattaya.

BJ[/QUOTE]Iam a frequent visitor, it All depends where you go, plenty of BG's that charge 1000 LT, I have never even been quoted 2000 LT from a BG in Pattaya and they are all smiles when they go home and I get plenty of repeats.

You can find LT gogo girls for 2000, especially outside WS in the LK Metro area. Girls charging 4000 LT Is usually top girls at Baccara or Happy a gogos and maybe Iron club. In other gogos you can get good looking girls for 2000 to 3000 depending on when you BF, I usually pay between 2000 to 2500 and I only go to the above mentioned places for a beer and scouting, maybe I see them at Ibar later and then they go home with me for 1500 and no BF.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1356658]How long time is ST? Is it at your hotel? Is it very short time? When I went to Jakarta it was a very relaxed time. It was 1 hour for ST at my hotel.

I know very fine from Panama to Argentina and Angel City too. I don't like AC at all. There is a little scene. What do you mean with "Central America"? I like very much Colombia, it is the first country for me. The second one is Peru. Girls are very girlfriendly and stunner even if you have to spend more money. But you will not regret about money.[/QUOTE]To Fox.

Argentina is not in central America is in south America, Panama and Costa Rica is in Central america but not cheap don't think you can get a pretty one for less than 10 USD there maybe rick get his cheap thrill in El Savador the poor country.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1357189]To Fox.

Argentina is not in central America is in south America, Panama and Costa Rica is in Central america but not cheap don't think you can get a pretty one for less than 10 USD there maybe rick get his cheap thrill in El Savador the poor country.[/QUOTE]They're all poor, but $5-10 ST is available in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. I used to get $12 ST in Santiago, DR too, with a lot better looking women, but this was 2002-2004. Couldn't say if those brothels are still around.

Costa Rica and Panama are overpriced because of white expats on pensions I think. Locals don't pay anything near those crazy amounts (some up to $100 ST LOL!) , which I found out after visiting some of the foreigner's spots on my own then hitting up local spots with local guys. The difference is nothing short of astounding. I should mention that I was born in a Spanish town to Spanish parents (but in France), so I don't necessarily look like a foreigner.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1356677]Watched the Police for 10 minutes, they were pulling over every farang on a motor bike in front of Central Mall beach road, they were checking driving documents, they never once stopped a Thai in the 10 minutes I watched.[/QUOTE]It was like collecting toll money. 400 baht paid to the 50 m away police station. It happened to my friend me sitting on the back.

Missed posting for a couple of days due to finding a rice plucker from Udon thani, after trawling unsuccessfully and having some good looking girls but with attitude. She has a farmers rock hard body which I love, not good in bed but loves me long time. She speaks very little English and has only been here 2 months. I know they all say that but if she's been here any longer her English would be better.

Not managed to find sex with specs, all the ones with specs always seem to be on the till.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1357266]They're all poor, but $5-10 ST is available in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. I used to get $12 ST in Santiago, DR too, with a lot better looking women, but this was 2002-2004.[/QUOTE]But why are you going back so many years and so far? Two years ago I went to Jakarta and always I get half of prices than Pattaya. Pattaya is not cheap at all.

I go to Pattaya because I'm often in Thailand for work, and I still like the wide variety of girls there. It's becoming less and less of a destination for me now though.

It depends what we are talking about. If one goes for top talent, the prices are commensurate. But last week in Pattaya I found the prices very attractive. The question is what we get in return.

One of the great historical strengths of Thailand has always been that once you locate your dream girl, she usually gives a nice experience, regardless of whether she speaks a word of English or not. Better than in the Philippines (IMO) , better than in any other country I have tried, mostly in Africa, where prices may be lower.

Like everything else, Pattaya has changed. But so have we who have been there repeatedly. We have become more jaded.

Still, for my money, it is an excellent place to dream a little, paying very little.

I left Pattaya a few days ago and as far as commercial quality goes is very poor. Initially bars girls from soi 7, 8 get get for 700bht. As I observed many foreigners had a local girl friend and some looks as couples.

The best looking girls was the one out of the sex business such as weiters in higher class resturants and cafes.

I was lucky to meet a lovely lady from Bangkok while she visits a friend in Pattaya. We spend a few days and went to laos for vacation. It's a very different expirence however the sex is not at the technical level as with a pro.

The area around Lk metro is very cheap. 500bht for a good room. 100 to 150 massage, excellent street food and girls quality it's demand on the ability to hunt the good ones, which includes non pro, cafes stuff, visitors etc.

So my trip includes Samui, Phuket and Pattaya. Phuket was a complete tourist trap, Samui had the best looking bar girls but the place was quite boring. Pattaya wins for price and getting quality is a matter of qualifications rather then money.

I was in Pats last week and hookd up for the night with a girl from a MP off Soi 13.

She is avergae in looks. She told me she makes 100, 000 B per month. She said there are 12 girls in her shop and the average is 100, 000 B. She said the prettier girls make 125-150, 000 B per month.

My point is some of these girls are making more than some of you. This girl is looking to buy a condo in Jomtien.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357484]I was in Pats last week and hookd up for the night with a girl from a MP off Soi 13.

She is avergae in looks. She told me she makes 100, 000 B per month. She said there are 12 girls in her shop and the average is 100, 000 B. She said the prettier girls make 125-150, 000 B per month.

My point is some of these girls are making more than some of you. This girl is looking to buy a condo in Jomtien.[/QUOTE]Most guy inflate their income an I wonder if there is a little bragging going on here. One of my favorite Baccara made no where near that. And she was pretty cute (I had western woman compliment me about her looks when they saw her). It's a tough gig, some nights she would have almost a dozen lady drinks bought for her (tequila) so she would be too drunk to take out while others would take her out days at a time (me include on our first date). My guess is she would get about 10-15 lt a month. Nowhere new 100, 000 bt.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357484]I was in Pats last week and hookd up for the night with a girl from a MP off Soi 13.

She is avergae in looks. She told me she makes 100, 000 B per month. She said there are 12 girls in her shop and the average is 100, 000 B. She said the prettier girls make 125-150, 000 B per month.

My point is some of these girls are making more than some of you. This girl is looking to buy a condo in Jomtien.[/QUOTE]Let's look at those figures:

Assuming a girl in an MP earns a basic wage of about 400 baht / day and works for 25 days / month: basic wages are then 10000 baht / month.

Assume she gets about 500 baht net on average as a "tip" for extra services provided during the massage. So she then has to make 90000 bath per month to reach her goal of 100000 baht. That is a bit over 7 massages per day. It seems very unlikely to me that anyone can boast such an average. As far as I know (and experienced) a massage takes at least one hour. Even is she works 12 hours each day, that means she is almost continuously busy. A simple look at most MPs shows that most of the girls spend hours being "idle" and waiting for customers. So, either she gets more per "job" or she was indeed boasting.

I think you guys are really underestimating this. Most of these girls say just the opposite. They claim they are not busy and do not make or have any money.

Here is what guys pay her:

HJ-500.

BBBJ-1000.

FS-1500.

I am sure some negotiations go on.

The place is very busy as it is just off 2nd road. She easily sees 6 dudes a day.

I believe she actually makes more. Just 2 FS sessions a day and she is at about 100, 000.

Also, I took her after work at 1am. She stayed till 11am. Full GFE with CIP 2 times. I really liked her and paid her 2000.

She told me many times she gets 3, 000.

So I would say she if nothing else she is being conservative.

But whatever. I got all her info. and she sent me an email saying she wants to have me over when she buys her Condo. We will see.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357519] (...)

Here is what guys pay her:

HJ-500.

BBBJ-1000.

FS-1500.[/QUOTE]I am sure she will have to pay a commission on her earnings to the MP. And not every customer will want to have FS.

If she makes an average of 1000 Baht per customer, she will still need about 4 customers per day. If she can do that, she must be really good. I'd say, she is a "keeper"!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1357505]Let's look at those figures:

Assuming a girl in an MP earns a basic wage of about 400 baht / day and works for 25 days / month: basic wages are then 10000 baht / month.

Assume she gets about 500 baht net on average as a "tip" for extra services provided during the massage. So she then has to make 90000 bath per month to reach her goal of 100000 baht. That is a bit over 7 massages per day. It seems very unlikely to me that anyone can boast such an average. As far as I know (and experienced) a massage takes at least one hour. Even is she works 12 hours each day, that means she is almost continuously busy. A simple look at most MPs shows that most of the girls spend hours being "idle" and waiting for customers. So, either she gets more per "job" or she was indeed boasting.[/QUOTE]Your evaluation or commentary seem quite accurate. As if that would be the case (100 or even 120k for an MP girl a month) why go-go girl should go out for 2k ST or 4k LT, better go in a MOP and earn more (being go-go girls also nicer in look and youth). A go-go girl raising 3 x ST a day / night would earn less. We know a lot of go-go struggle to get 1 score a night (other might do 2-3 indeed, but you count them on one hand per large bar) to the point the bar closes and they do some FL to make ends meet for that day. Ok, they have LD shares, but still.

I also agree, you never see a MP with no girls as they area ALL working. It is the other way round.

Friends,

I'd like to know what months are in low season in Pattaya and if in low season there are less choice of girls.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1357266]They're all poor, but $5-10 ST is available in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. I used to get $12 ST in Santiago, DR too, with a lot better looking women, but this was 2002-2004. Couldn't say if those brothels are still around.

Costa Rica and Panama are overpriced because of white expats on pensions I think. Locals don't pay anything near those crazy amounts (some up to $100 ST LOL!) , which I found out after visiting some of the foreigner's spots on my own then hitting up local spots with local guys. The difference is nothing short of astounding. I should mention that I was born in a Spanish town to Spanish parents (but in France) , so I don't necessarily look like a foreigner.[/QUOTE]To Rick,

Most people never been to Central America I been to Panama city and san Jose cc a few time most WG are from Colombia yes 100usd for hot chica no bargin, I never been to El Salvador no reason to no business there I am sure you can still get cheap sex there, I use to get pretty girl at PP Cambodia and Burma 10 yr ago for 10 USD a pop even in some small town in China but no more.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Pattaya was great this October. I bar fined Mrs. Natty anyway, not for sex, just for her company, and she took me to a very good open air seafood restaurant off Second Road. I forgot the name, but I remember how to get there. I will go back.[/QUOTE]Kudos to Mr. Bumpo for a superb report. It's writing like this that keeps me wading through the clueless newbie questions and flame wars over prices.

If Mr. Bumpo would be so kind as to expand on his mini-restaurant-review I would be very much obliged. Why did he fancy the place? Food? Prices? Ambiance? Hand job from Mrs. Natty under the table? Also, how can the rest of us find this place?

Bunky

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1357266]They're all poor, but $5-10 ST is available in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. I used to get $12 ST in Santiago, DR too, with a lot better looking women, but this was 2002-2004. Couldn't say if those brothels are still around.

Costa Rica and Panama are overpriced because of white expats on pensions I think. Locals don't pay anything near those crazy amounts (some up to $100 ST LOL!) , which I found out after visiting some of the foreigner's spots on my own then hitting up local spots with local guys.[/QUOTE]A buddy of mine always goes to the $6 spots in Nicaragua. His ass almost got robbed last week in a setup using a shared taxi, but jumped out of the moving vehicle. I can't get him to Thailand, but I told him when he does come he will be kicking himself in the ass for missing out for so long.

In Costa Rica they have the casas for $20. Only a dumb ass would hang at the gringo rip off spot known as the Del Ray. In Panama chicks at La Mayor are $10, but if you plan to get a chick out of the casino or disco they are going to want $100. Same damn girls. They are all Dominican and Colombian. It is illegal for a Panamanian woman to sell pussy there. Why not just cut out the middle country by going to the source?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357484]I was in Pats last week and hookd up for the night with a girl from a MP off Soi 13.

She is avergae in looks. She told me she makes 100, 000 B per month. She said there are 12 girls in her shop and the average is 100, 000 B. She said the prettier girls make 125-150, 000 B per month.

This girl is looking to buy a condo in Jomtien.[/QUOTE]No way she's making that much, especially with average looks as you say. She's either just boasting or she is combining what she actually makes with what she receives from her sponsor (s) every month. My money is on the latter considering she is buying a condo as hardly any working girls by condos in Pattaya. Not when they can build two houses back home in Anywhereburi for half the price. Don't be surprised if her sponsor walks in on you when you go to visit her new condo.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1357551]Friends,

I'd like to know what months are in low season in Pattaya and if in low season there are less choice of girls.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Low season is generally May-November. AND NO, there women to men ratio is in your favor. There will always be a great selection of women available, adn low season of course brings better rates.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter; 1357551]Friends,

I'd like to know what months are in low season in Pattaya and if in low season there are less choice of girls.

Thanks[/QUOTE]There is no "low" season for pussy in Pattaya. Only the days around Songkran (Thai New Year) many girls go back home to visit their family, but even then there is more than enough choice.

how quick they can become a nuisance, we were at the beach today, i was sunbathing and she stayed in the shade as usual for thai women. while she was in the shade she spent a lot of time on the phone to her friends, she was speaking thai all the time so i am convinced it wasn't another boyfriend or anything. when we got back to the room money kept being brought into her limited conversation, her phone was sick, her brother needed money sending to him, she owed her friend 500 baht etc etc.

i am pretty sure during her chats on the phone to her friends about me, such as what a nice hotel, nice clothes, ipad, laptop etc they have been telling her how to extract as much as possible from me. it is a shame for her that i am not a newbie by any means, i was going to give her a big tip but now and contemplating just the standard 1000 / night.

the fact that her change in attitude was so obvious also goes to show she is a novice and is listening to her peers for advice, if i give her a big tip she will consider their advice as being sound and hit the next farang with the same mo. i am planning on a trip to soi 6 tonight for some hard sex as opposed to the house wife stuff the last couple of days. i have just decided to take her with me and put her back on the right track, she can watch me being blown in the halifax bar or red point.

may the force be with you.

Having trouble uploading reports so this one may upload out of order, went to Diana inn for dinner. The buffet 240baht per head was terrible, I remember 10 years ago it was good but we can't live in the past. Took my new wife to Soi 6 to try and educate her a little, visited Red point and got my dick stroked while she watched, considered having a blow job but she wasn't too happy someone else playing with my dick so I played the gentleman and said she has to do it later. Walked the full length of beach road from soi 6 to walking street, lots of good looking women around, short, tall, slim, fat, old, young, pretty and a few ugly ones. If you can't find something to suit you are too fussy. Entered walking street and took her to my old haunt the beach club, I must say since they stopped wearing the white boots it isn't the same (where do you shove your 20 bahts?) Paid a visit to Spankys not bad I would go back. Went to the Windmill and shows were good lots of enthusiastic young girls.

Wandered back along walking street and my wife suggested going into Esarn bar, ordered a couple of samson cokes, paid with a 1000 note, change came back with 100s and 20s felt something was odd. I never count my change (I am a sucker) but I decided to count it, it was 100 down. Drinks cost was 260 for 2 samson cokes they gave me change for 360. Told them and they rectified it no problem but they were trying it on. Had a walk to Bamboo next, there was a German guy in a wheel chair at the front trying to get up the kerb. Gave him a pull up and wheeled him in, they said he wasn't allowed as he wouldn't be able to go to the toilet. I stuck with him and his friend and had an argument with the staff but they still wouldn't back down. Poor guy had to go somewhere else I just hope he got his pussy. Went into Bamboo eventually almost decided to boycott it for their attitude to the German, place was full of good looking women and geriatric wankers. Here's me with the fucking wife, what a knob.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1357519]I think you guys are really underestimating this. Most of these girls say just the opposite. They claim they are not busy and do not make or have any money.

Here is what guys pay her:

HJ-500.

BBBJ-1000.

FS-1500.

I am sure some negotiations go on.

The place is very busy as it is just off 2nd road. She easily sees 6 dudes a day.

I believe she actually makes more. Just 2 FS sessions a day and she is at about 100, 000.

Also, I took her after work at 1am. She stayed till 11am. Full GFE with CIP 2 times. I really liked her and paid her 2000.

She told me many times she gets 3, 000.

So I would say she if nothing else she is being conservative.

But whatever. I got all her info. And she sent me an email saying she wants to have me over when she buys her Condo. We will see.[/QUOTE]Sure there are girls making 6 figures in Pattaya, but they not that many. All girls like to brag to customers and fellow girls how successful they are. They actually get off making other girls jealous. I don't trust the girls, it's lies, lies, lies.

[quote=bunky;1357632]mr. bumpo [please] expand on the mini-restaurant-review. why did you fancy the place? food? prices? ambiance? hand job from mrs. natty under the table? also, how can the rest of us find this place?[/quote]bunky,

the open air seafood restaurant we went to was very good. i wish i could be more helpful about its name and location, but i had been drinking for a couple of hours and to tell you the truth, i wasn't paying much attention to where we were going. i know i could find the restaurant again and i will the next time i visit pattaya in march. i will also text mrs natty. i am sure she knows the name of the restaurant. i will pm you with better info when i have it. in the meantime perhaps some other board members who know the place could give us the name.

here is my best sense of the directions: from what's up go go walk to 2nd road. take a right turn. walk for one or two blocks, no more than three. make another right turn and maybe walk a ½ block to one block down the soi. the place is a large open air restaurant on the left side of the soi with fish tanks and there is a disco in the back behind it. you can't miss it if you are on the right soi. it was not a cheap restaurant, but considering the quality of the fresh seafood and their cooking methods, it was worth it.

mrs. natty asked what i felt like eating. she then took over and interfaced with the waiter. we had som tom, a couple of large raw oysters in the shell – mrs. natty prepared mine with a combination of onion, lime, various thai condiments and red pepper salsa, stir fried squid in a very tasty green pepper sauce, grilled tiger prawns, stir fried morning glory in another excellent sauce and we washed it down with a couple of cold beers. the bill came to something a little over 1200bt. the ambiance was good. it was a big place and at 1pm there were a number of customers rep001tered about, but we had a lot of privacy over in our corner of the restaurant. mrs. natty sat by my side and made sure everything was presented to her specifications. no hj under the table. we are an old married couple lol.

a favorite late night bkk restaurant i like to take my cowboy girls is called the love scene on soi 23. i will post a review in the bkk thread. the place is always filled with couples enjoying their food. the seedy ambiance of this joint is great.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1357664]No way she's making that much, especially with average looks as you say. She's either just boasting or she is combining what she actually makes with what she receives from her sponsor (s) every month. My money is on the latter considering she is buying a condo as hardly any working girls by condos in Pattaya. Not when they can build two houses back home in Anywhereburi for half the price. Don't be surprised if her sponsor walks in on you when you go to visit her new condo.[/QUOTE]I hope he does show up. In fact, I want him to just as I am draining my sack. Thanks

erratum:

[quote=natty bumpo;1357875]the ambiance was good. it was a big place and at 1am there were a number of customers rep001tered about, but we had a lot of privacy over in our corner of the restaurant.[/quote]sorry guys. 1am.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1357875]Bunky,

The open air seafood restaurant we went to was very good. I wish I could be more helpful about its name and location, but I had been drinking for a couple of hours and to tell you the truth, I wasn't paying much attention to where we were going. I know I could find the restaurant again and I will the next time I visit Pattaya in March. I will also text Mrs Natty. I am sure she knows the name of the restaurant. I will PM you with better info when I have it. In the meantime perhaps some other board members who know the place could give us the name.

Here is my best sense of the directions: From What's Up Go Go walk to 2nd Road. Take a right turn. Walk for one or two blocks, no more than three. Make another right turn and maybe walk a ½ block to one block down the Soi. The place is a large open air restaurant on the left side of the Soi with fish tanks and there is a disco in the back behind it. You can't miss it if you are on the right Soi. It was not a cheap restaurant, but considering the quality of the fresh seafood and their cooking methods, it was worth it.[/QUOTE]The name of that restaurant is Marine Sea Food and it's located in the Marine Plaza on Soi Marine just off Walking Street. The disco is Marine Disco. The other open air place just opposite has great food at a cheaper price.

Enjoy,

Daddy

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1357328]But why are you going back so many years and so far? Two years ago I went to Jakarta and always I get half of prices than Pattaya. Pattaya is not cheap at all.[/QUOTE]Yes, I see prices creeping upwards, the girl's monetary expectations rising and, of course the strength of the Thai Baht = less of the bargain we were getting before.

I need to check out Indonesia.

Mr. Bumpo and Mr. Daddy:

Thanks ever so much for the additional information regarding the seafood restaurants in Marine Plaza. I'm always on the lookout restaurants of that ilk, especially those that are less expensive than the big places on the west side of Walking Street that cater to the tourists. While the food at those places is pretty good, and the view over the bay is pleasant, the prices are just unconscionable.

After reading your directions and descriptions, I think I've eaten at the Marine Plaza restaurant that Mr. Bumpo recommended, the one with the fish tanks. I will give its competitor a try.

Along the same line, among the food vendors that cluster just east of Walking Street on Soi 14 (or maybe it's Soi 15) there is a guy who sells a decent selection of seafood, priced by weight and prepared as you wish. You'll eat at one of those small tables on the street, among the working girls slurping their noodles. But you'll pay a fraction of what they charge at the Tankay or Lobster Pot. And watching the world go by as you dine is the best free show in town.

Thanks again for the information.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Billy Baht; 1358001]Yes, I see prices creeping upwards, the girl's monetary expectations rising and, of course the strength of the Thai Baht = less of the bargain we were getting before.

I need to check out Indonesia.[/QUOTE]You can't afford a $16 fuck?

Get a better job.

Just back in the UK after my visit, here are my parting thoughts. The Russians are there in even bigger numbers than my last visit in October, the Indians have now also arrived in large numbers. The LK Empress where I stayed had lots of both staying there with only a small number of Europeans and Americans etc. Beach road was busy with lots of girls most times of the day.

The best place to hang out was Soi Lenkee and Soi Buakhow this area seemed to be for the "old Pattaya crowd" such as Brits, Aussies, Yanks. Weather was very good, only had one very small shower and plenty of sunshine and will get better over the next few weeks. Paid a visit to Jomtien been a couple of years since I was last there, has improved and grown dramatically I would even consider staying there now or buying a condo.

Walking street is definitely more tourist orientated than it used to be not as good for our hobby. I would still recommend Pattaya as the best single mans holiday destination.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1358251]You can't afford a $16 fuck?

Get a better job.[/QUOTE]I can't imagine, in Pattaya, that there's a desirable P4P girl, that will fuck for $16USD. Maybe a fat old woman.....

What? That's 500 baht. There are lots of hot Thai girls in their early 20's that will do ST for that. You just have to dig. Beach Road, Soi 6, etc.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me;1359163]I can't imagine, in Pattaya, that there's a desirable P4P girl, that will fuck for $16USD. Maybe a fat old woman.[/QUOTE]There are plenty. Pricing depends on the venue far more than the girl quality. The exact same girl would ask for 500-600 baht on Beach Road (if you see her around there) .800-1000 baht in Walking Street, and 1000-2000 in a disco or agogo.

I have never sampled Pattaya so would like to check it for 24 hours during my next trip. I am not a big beach fan so just want to visit it once and check out the action venues.

I plan to leave Bangkok around 1 PM and take a cab. Would love to an early evening session around 4/5 PM (may be massage, FS / CIM) and then stroll on the Beach before checking out some clubs and such for picking up hotties.

Can anyone please spare a few seconds and let meknow the following quickly?

1. Which hotel I should book (something similar to Admiral Premier in Bangkok, safe, not too noise, GF friendly and not too far from beach where the action is)

2. What would be best option to go to for early evening session? The beach road or massage parlours or some pick up joint? Which one?

3. If you would like to sample a wake up call how would you go about booking it? Talk to girls in clubs and get their number etc? Ask Massage parlour for booking?

Will cheerfully appreciate any hints.

Thanks in advance

I'm shocked! Shocked!

There was a murder at my condo building the other day and I didn't even know about it until I read it in the news today.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/68261/german-murdered-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Holy shit! I've lived here for 4 years; security is good; there has been no crime that I know of; and now a MURDER!

Man, I'm going to be super careful about bringing strange girls to my room from now on. Yeah, I'll take them to that guest house above Sweethearts a-go-go on Walking Street.

But I almost forgot; there was a murder there as well only 2 weeks ago. No place is safe around here.

Pattaya. This place is getting dangerous!

[QUOTE=Margaya;1359842]1. Which hotel I should book (something similar to Admiral Premier in Bangkok, safe, not too noise, GF friendly and not too far from beach where the action is)[/quote]For such a short stay does it really matter? I think you have to settle on one or the other though, noise or near the action. I usually stay a baht bus ride away from the action so I don't have to deal with the noise. Still, it's nothing like Phnom Penh or HCMC.

[quote]2. What would be best option to go to for early evening session? The beach road or massage parlours or some pick up joint? Which one?[/quote]Beach Road really gets going around 8 pm. If I was in a hurry, I'd probably take a look there then head over to the dozens of short time shacks on Soi 6 if I didn't find something I liked.

[quote]3. If you would like to sample a wake up call how would you go about booking it? Talk to girls in clubs and get their number etc? Ask Massage parlour for booking?[/quote]You could arrange something with a girl you meet anywhere, or take out for LT. But if you want GUARANTEED service (a lot of girls won't show up, will show up late, etc) you might want to set up something in advance at a place like Devil's Den.

Please, anyone know if there exist soapies or oilies like Annie's and Tulip in Pattaya (out of sabailand)?

Thank you.

B

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360035]For such a short stay does it really matter? I think you have to settle on one or the other though, noise or near the action. I usually stay a baht bus ride away from the action so I don't have to deal with the noise. Still, it's nothing like Phnom Penh or HCMC.

Beach Road really gets going around 8 pm. If I was in a hurry, I'd probably take a look there then head over to the dozens of short time shacks on Soi 6 if I didn't find something I liked.

You could arrange something with a girl you meet anywhere, or take out for LT. But if you want GUARANTEED service (a lot of girls won't show up, will show up late, etc) you might want to set up something in advance at a place like Devil's Den.[/QUOTE]Thank you for replying Rick Rock.

I certainly don't want to be right on same street and won't mind staying 1-2 kms away. Otherwise won't mind hailing cab 2/3 times.

Just want a clean no hassle hotel thats super gf friendly. Anyone?

Shacks on spi6. Looks like I need to research a bit more.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1360030]I'm shocked! Shocked! There was a murder at my condo building the other day and I didn't even know about it until I read it in the news today.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/68261/german-murdered-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Holy shit! I've lived here for 4 years; security is good; there has been no crime that I know of; and now a MURDER! Man, I'm going to be super careful about bringing strange girls to my room from now on. Yeah, I'll take them to that guest house above Sweethearts a-go-go on Walking Street. But I almost forgot; there was a murder there as well only 2 weeks ago. No place is safe around here. Pattaya. This place is getting dangerous![/QUOTE]Ehmm. Daddy07, do you have an alibi 2 weeks ago, what were you doing that night? And do you have anybody who can be witness you have been with him / her the other day? LOL

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1359842]24 hours during my next trip.

1. Which hotel I should book (something similar to Admiral Premier in Bangkok, safe, not too noise, GF friendly and not too far from beach where the action is)

2. What would be best option to go to for early evening session? The beach road or massage parlours or some pick up joint? Which one?

3. If you would like to sample a wake up call how would you go about booking it? Talk to girls in clubs and get their number etc? Ask Massage parlour for booking?[/QUOTE]Answers:

1) At Walking Street (WS) : Jasmine Hotel.

[url]http://www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com[/url]

Or upper floors of Secrets.

[url]http://www.secretspattaya.com/[/url]

2) Soi 6 at 5 pm is pretty good. Walk from WS along Beach Road (BR) to / from Soi 6 and you can pick a girl for pre or post Soi 6.

3) After midnight get a freelancer (FL) from BR, WS or a disco (Marine, Insomnia, Mixx.) for long time so that when you wake in the morning you have a gal for a morning delight.

I'm arriving to Patts 9 Jan 2013 and departing by 8 Feb 2013. If you want to meet for a drink, PM me.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1352645]Sex toys are illegal in Thailand apparently, but now the Pattaya police will have plenty of them to enjoy for their own use and enjoymemt.

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2012/11/24/police-seize-obscene-sex-toys-in-[/url]

%E2%80%9Cbig-see%E2%80%9D-shop/[/QUOTE]Any info on places to buy in Pattaya? I guess I can go see if this place opened back up yet. I know you can buy on the street in Bangkok but I'll be in Pattaya first.

C4T

There were just posts on that a month or two ago. You can buy them from street vendors on Beach Road between the Subway restaurant and the entrance to Walking Street. Just walk along there (on the side with the shops, not the beach) and look carefully at what some of the people with small tables full of stuff are selling. You'll usually find a bit of porn and sex toys mixed in there.

Travelling to Pattaya in a few weeks. Dilemma between Hotel Secrets & Hotel Green View. Any pointers would help.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360330]There were just posts on that a month or two ago.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I did the search but I did not dig deep enough. Thanks.

Thanks a lot. You have answered what I wanted to know. Much apprciated bro.

Jasmine does seem to be pretty good deal. I just wonder how nousy it would be during the night?

[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1360270]Answers:

1) At Walking Street (WS) : Jasmine Hotel.

[url]http://www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com[/url]

Or upper floors of Secrets.

[url]http://www.secretspattaya.com/[/url]

2) Soi 6 at 5 pm is pretty good. Walk from WS along Beach Road (BR) to / from Soi 6 and you can pick a girl for pre or post Soi 6.

3) After midnight get a freelancer (FL) from BR, WS or a disco (Marine, Insomnia, Mixx.) for long time so that when you wake in the morning you have a gal for a morning delight.

I'm arriving to Patts 9 Jan 2013 and departing by 8 Feb 2013. If you want to meet for a drink, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1359842]I have never sampled Pattaya so would like to check it for 24 hours during my next trip. I am not a big beach fan so just want to visit it once and check out the action venues.

I plan to leave Bangkok around 1 PM and take a cab. Would love to an early evening session around 4/5 PM (may be massage, FS / CIM) and then stroll on the Beach before checking out some clubs and such for picking up hotties.

Can anyone please spare a few seconds and let meknow the following quickly?

1. Which hotel I should book (something similar to Admiral Premier in Bangkok, safe, not too noise, GF friendly and not too far from beach where the action is)

2. What would be best option to go to for early evening session? The beach road or massage parlours or some pick up joint? Which one?

3. If you would like to sample a wake up call how would you go about booking it? Talk to girls in clubs and get their number etc? Ask Massage parlour for booking?

Will cheerfully appreciate any hints.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]If I was spending only a night in Pattaya the last place I would be trawling would be beach road. Why not look up Devils Den make a pre-booking for a 90 minute session and after that try your luck in the GoGos. If money is an issue you can get a three way in Soi 6 for 2000 bht.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1360529]Thanks a lot. You have answered what I wanted to know. Much apprciated bro.

Jasmine does seem to be pretty good deal. I just wonder how nousy it would be during the night?[/QUOTE]Any hotel in that area will be noisy till 3am. Maybe later.

If you need a decent nights sleep occasionally like me, I would get something further down the road. It is not that far to walk to some better hotels.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1360845]If I was spending only a night in Pattaya the last place I would be trawling would be beach road. Why not look up Devils Den make a pre-booking for a 90 minute session and after that try your luck in the GoGos. If money is an issue you can get a three way in Soi 6 for 2000 bht.[/QUOTE]A lot of guys like DD, but I have mongered many places and it is one of the worse spots I can remember.

Just walk by there and see the girls out front totally bored, on their phones. You walk in and they don't even look at you. The service was so mechanical. They do not want to get out of their routine and seem bored and uninterested.

Maybe I just got unlucky, or maybe it was me. But I thought the place was a rip off.

Luvpuss,

Much of what you say may be true and their response is contingent upon the monger and admittedly there are better places with hotter girls but think of DD in this sense: you know what you are getting up front.

It is the McDonalds of mongering foreshaw but at the very least he's going to get a BBBJ / rimjob combo and a optional supersize to assfuck should he so desire which I sampled on Friday.

The OP can hit the GoGos later and then strike out with a starfish but at the very least he's got his rocks off first in a perrverted manner so the damage of wasting his one night in Pattaya is mitigated.

Best case scenario: awesome experience in DD and GoGo girl.

Worse case scenario: newbie monger picks up beach road girl/LB, is drugged/robbed with the story searchable by his name on google in an online Pattaya newspaper together with his picture for eternity.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287295]With all due respect Andy, you sound very green. I recommend that you stick with the Go Go's at least at first, where everything is easy peasy, until you learn the ropes. Hunting successfully for FL's on Beach Road requires a higher skill level and knowledge base than I think you possess at the present moment. Getting ripped off is one risk. Hooking up with a Kathoey is another. Baby steps Andy. Start with the Go Go's: places like Baccara, Heaven's Above, and Airport where everything is 99. 99% foolproof and nothing can go wrong. The girls are good looking and know how to take care of you. After a few nights in Pattaya, you can try your luck on Beach Road if you want. Chances are you will stick with the Go Go's because the Go Go's have more, better girls although at a higher price obviously. I walk Beach Road from my hotel to Walking Street every night while I am visiting Pattaya. I like the hunt vibe. But, honestly, the number of really attractive do able girls out there is quite low IMHO. Once in awhile I find a diamond. Most of the time, I just keep walking to my favorite Go Go’s.[/QUOTE]I'm going to follow this advice on my first visit in July! I'm hoping for good times and no drama!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360948]A lot of guys like DD, but I have mongered many places and it is one of the worse spots I can remember.

Just walk by there and see the girls out front totally bored, on their phones. You walk in and they don't even look at you. The service was so mechanical. They do not want to get out of their routine and seem bored and uninterested.

Maybe I just got unlucky, or maybe it was me. But I thought the place was a rip off.[/QUOTE]Yeh, I was not so impressed with DD and the ladies there aren't much to look at in general. Had much more fun at the Go-Gos like Airport, Lolipop, Iron Club, etc. But I've only been there once so maybe I just picked the wrong two dames & of course YMMV. Not saying that I didn't have a decent time there, but it wasn't all that great either. Plan to stick to the Go-Gos & MPs when I return. Which will be tonight!

- DSK

Have picked Hotel Greenview. Now they want 20% of the entire stay cost to be paid in advance to hold my booking. But the Thai account number they have provided me is in the name of some 'KK one corporation" instead of GreenView. Just wanted to confirm this practice with people who have used its services.

Thanks.

I been by there a hundred times but never went in for the same reason. Not only that, but generally they aren't even as attractive as the average beach troll you can scrog all afternoon for 300-500. And the beachie will appreciate it too.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360948]A lot of guys like DD, but I have mongered many places and it is one of the worse spots I can remember.

Just walk by there and see the girls out front totally bored, on their phones. You walk in and they don't even look at you. The service was so mechanical. They do not want to get out of their routine and seem bored and uninterested.

Maybe I just got unlucky, or maybe it was me. But I thought the place was a rip off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oneten; 1361621]Have picked Hotel Greenview. Now they want 20% of the entire stay cost to be paid in advance to hold my booking. But the Thai account number they have provided me is in the name of some 'KK one corporation" instead of GreenView. Just wanted to confirm this practice with people who have used its services.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Many hotels in Thailand, even the larger ones, use this different company setup with reservations, I think is it some tax scam to avoid the VAT, as it is not payable on bookings theoretically done overseas by this company / agent. I would not pay in advance to another company even though it probably will be OK, give them a credit card number to debit. They probably want the first night at least as a deposit.

In my experience, the best thing to do is to book in advance with one of the internationally recognized companies like Expedia, Hotels, Agoda, etc. You'll be paid up in advance, no surprises when you show up (like extra charges or overbooked rooms) , you get a guarantee from the company you book through, you often don't have to give your credit card info over to the hotels which may be shady, and you can get discounts, cash back and free nights if you are a regular user.

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1356677]. It really made me laugh when I looked at the statues of "the friendly Pattaya police" near the police station.[/QUOTE]I chuckled too, when I first saw the new statues. They are smiling, so much that their eyes appear to be closed. It also struck me as funny - thinking about all the "illegal" prostitution going on in Pattaya.

I was in Phuket last week, changing money near Bangla Road. A policeman was ahead of me in the line to change money. He pulled out 4 krisp $100 USD bills to change.

Where might he have gotten those? I was a bit surprised that he wasn't discreet about it, but that's Thailand....

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1361712]In my experience, the best thing to do is to book in advance with one of the internationally recognized companies like Expedia, Hotels, Agoda, etc. You'll be paid up in advance, no surprises when you show up (like extra charges or overbooked rooms) , you get a guarantee from the company you book through, you often don't have to give your credit card info over to the hotels which may be shady, and you can get discounts, cash back and free nights if you are a regular user.[/QUOTE]With hotels.com you will also see a different company on your credit card statement. I did a booking for Palau and saw some crazy company for an enormous amount on my credit card. It was slightly off from the amount that I booked the hotel for so I was not sure that was the cause. I did some investigating by calling the phone numbers and finally realized that they must take the payments through a third party. Hotels.com is great because there is no hassle getting your money back up to 24 hours before the date of arrival. All you have to go is go to the website and cancel it. I definitely would not prepay any money directly to any hotel in Thailand though. When doing my Palau research I saw on tripadvisor how many people had gotten fucked over by sending money in advance. There are too many hotels available that you don't have to prepay.

During my recent trip to Pattaya, as I was a little tired of bar girls I tried a soapy.

Conveniently located 400 meters away from big see (there is a large billboard at the corner of big see showing the way. Hard to get lost) I had a great time with Judy.

You first pay for the room (depending on the quality of the room you may pay bht 1000 for a 2 hours massage)

FS cost me an additional bht 1500 and I had a wonderful time. The session starts by a massage and then bath together to finish by on bed activities. You can negotiate pretty much what you want with the girls.

The line up is small but girls were pretty and seemed quite happy to see a foreigner. I decided to go with Judy. She is 29, her English is ok, she has a nice face and firm body and I would say fantastic ass (didnot try anal sex though).

I reckon they have a website mygirlmassage.com

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1361779]With hotels.com you will also see a different company on your credit card statement. I did a booking for Palau and saw some crazy company for an enormous amount on my credit card. It was slightly off from the amount that I booked the hotel for so I was not sure that was the cause. I did some investigating by calling the phone numbers and finally realized that they must take the payments through a third party. Hotels.com is great because there is no hassle getting your money back up to 24 hours before the date of arrival. All you have to go is go to the website and cancel it. I definitely would not prepay any money directly to any hotel in Thailand though. When doing my Palau research I saw on tripadvisor how many people had gotten fucked over by sending money in advance. There are too many hotels available that you don't have to prepay.[/QUOTE]At booking.com you do not get charged up-front and there are no hidden costs, fees, commission charges or what else. Plus they have a great customer care department you can call 24/7.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me; 1361764]I chuckled too, when I first saw the new statues. They are smiling, so much that their eyes appear to be closed. It also struck me as funny. Thinking about all the "illegal" prostitution going on in Pattaya.

I was in Phuket last week, changing money near Bangla Road. A policeman was ahead of me in the line to change money. He pulled out 4 krisp $100 USD bills to change.

Where might he have gotten those? I was a bit surprised that he wasn't discreet about it, but that's Thailand.[/QUOTE]Maybe he is a LB and that is his nights take. Stranger things have happened.

Luvpuss and Pointy stick.

Thanks a lot for your input. I didn't realize that BR is not exactly teeming with very pretty faces so certainly will spend more time in go-gos. DD seems to be Ok for an introduction to Pattaya.

Soi6. Is it mainly a massage parlour area / brothals / pick up joints?

Can anyone please summarize it for me?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360948]A lot of guys like DD, but I have mongered many places and it is one of the worse spots I can remember.

Just walk by there and see the girls out front totally bored, on their phones. You walk in and they don't even look at you. The service was so mechanical. They do not want to get out of their routine and seem bored and uninterested.

Maybe I just got unlucky, or maybe it was me. But I thought the place was a rip off.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1360945]Any hotel in that area will be noisy till 3am. Maybe later.

If you need a decent nights sleep occasionally like me, I would get something further down the road. It is not that far to walk to some better hotels.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1360845]If I was spending only a night in Pattaya the last place I would be trawling would be beach road. Why not look up Devils Den make a pre-booking for a 90 minute session and after that try your luck in the GoGos. If money is an issue you can get a three way in Soi 6 for 2000 bht.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1361948] (.)

Soi6. Is it mainly a massage parlour area / brothals / pick up joints?[/QUOTE]It is a bar area with the girls sitting outside and trying to drag you into their bar. Once inside you can buy them a ladydrink and negotiate for her services. Depending on the bar and the girl, you may get a sample of her services already inside the bar. Most of the bars have a few rooms upstairs for ST fun. The barfine usually covers the use of the room.

So it is a bit like a brothel area, thinly disguised as bars.

Just to add what Wolv said:

Anyone visiting Pattaya has to go to Soi 6.

There is no place in the world like it that I know of.

Go there about 10pm and there are 100's of girls sitting out front of the bars. The bars go on for almost the entire Soi.

The usual price for suck and fuck is 700B. Plus, usually 300B for the room. But last month some of the girls were asking for 1000B.

Make sure you negotiate what you want before you go up to the room.

Luvpuss and wolvenvacht.

Thanks a lot for the info on Soi6. Seems pretty much like soi cowboy except for upstairs room I guess.

Now I just need to shortlist some go gos and bars for picking up hi quality gfs and I am all set.

Cheers

Soi 6 is not for everybody, but I strongly agree with other board members that it is a must visit kind of place. There are some very nice girls here that know how to show a guy a good time and some of these girls are even attractive. Here is my short list of bars worth checking out: Ruby Bar, Saigon girls, OBAR, Red Point, and Sky bar. If anybody has other favorite Soi 6 bars, please contribute. The right girl makes the bar.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1362182]Anyone visiting Pattaya has to go to Soi 6.[/QUOTE]For some odd reason, I agree with Luvpuss.

I was there this afternoon and checked out out the load of options.

In the end, I pulled a nice free lancer out of Walking Street Disco.

So many options in this town; it's almost pathetic if you can't get GFE for a great price!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1362311]...it's almost pathetic if you can't get GFE for a great price![/QUOTE]Which is getting greater day by day.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1362235]Soi 6 is not for everybody, but I strongly agree with other board members that it is a must visit kind of place. There are some very nice girls here that know how to show a guy a good time and some of these girls are even attractive. Here is my short list of bars worth checking out: Ruby Bar, Saigon girls, OBAR, Red Point, and Sky bar. If anybody has other favorite Soi 6 bars, please contribute. The right girl makes the bar.[/QUOTE]Good list. My favorite is Red Point. Sit with the girl and buy her a drink. My experience is that she will kiss you, rub your cock, and discuss what she will do in the room.

I will throw you guys a bone. There is an older lady there (about 40 I think) named Micky. She has a big ass that you can fuck. She will do anything and gives one of the best rim jobs I have had.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1362356]Good list. My favorite is Red Point. Sit with the girl and buy her a drink. My experience is that she will kiss you, rub your cock, and discuss what she will do in the room.

I will throw you guys a bone. There is an older lady there (about 40 I think) named Micky. She has a big ass that you can fuck. She will do anything and gives one of the best rim jobs I have had.[/QUOTE]I'm not a bar guy but whenever I am forced to go to Soi 6 then it is Red Point. You can't miss it with the big red dot on the glass door. To tell the truth I don't even know the names of any of the other bars on the street.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1362235]Soi 6 is not for everybody, but I strongly agree with other board members that it is a must visit kind of place. There are some very nice girls here that know how to show a guy a good time and some of these girls are even attractive. Here is my short list of bars worth checking out: Ruby Bar, Saigon girls, OBAR, Red Point, and Sky bar. If anybody has other favorite Soi 6 bars, please contribute. The right girl makes the bar.[/QUOTE]My Friend You is good for getting sucked off in the bar on the big leather couches. You got to get the right girl though.

[QUOTE=Margaya;1362218]Seems pretty much like soi cowboy except for upstairs room I guess.[/QUOTE]A damn site cheaper as well. Personally I think the girls attitudes are more hit than miss in Soi 6 than they are in Soi cowboy.

Regards.

BJ

While we are talking soi 6, here is one of my favourite bars, Walk down from 2nd road on the right hand side you will find the Halifax bar. There are actually 2 of them about 4 doors apart, similar MO to the other bars but a little quieter and they will let you drink alone for a while to allow you to pick your friend. Sometimes the choice of girls is limited compared to other bars but I have always found what I needed, a few years back they had an absolute stunner in the one nearest beach road but she was soon on a permanent bar fine probably to Norway. On a visit in October I went after just having a massage on Soi Honey so my intention was to just window shop. I ended up talking to the mamasan who was around 40-45, she had her hand in my pocket massaging the trouser snake and talking real dirty to me I was rock hard again in no time so got blown at the side of the bar.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1361948]Luvpuss and Pointy stick.

Thanks a lot for your input. I didn't realize that BR is not exactly teeming with very pretty faces so certainly will spend more time in go-gos. DD seems to be Ok for an introduction to Pattaya.

Soi6. Is it mainly a massage parlour area / brothals / pick up joints?

Can anyone please summarize it for me?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]BR road has some pretty faces in the weekend who I think are part-timers making $ on the side however due to your limited timeframe / knowledge it may not be suitable.

DD / Soi 6 are better for later afternoon assignations which will freeup the evening for trawling the GoGos in Walking Street. Don't forget Soi LK either for clubs. Pattaya is very compact and its very easy to get around. I would plan for no sleep.

i have been back in pattaya for a few days now and i've been having a good time. have only visited one massage place so far, sabai dee land, but picked a nice looking lady named fern out of the crop of ladies. she had a decent body on her, and was quite good with the massage and in the sack. said she was from bangkok but that she likes pattaya more. 2,080baht for the massage; 1, 500baht tip. she deserved it imo.

i have toured some of the go-gos around walking street since that is where i am based. finally checked out bacarra and it is definitely one of the nicer places with some hot dames. the place was packed last night and had a lot of asian guys throwing money around. there were also a few drunk and rowdy russian types. btw there are an awful lot of russians in pattaya now. walking street in general has become over-run with tourists gawking about.

also checked out a new go-go called guugle, yep. a play on the famous internet company name. they really tout their "bathing show" which was actually quite tame. the place is small and was deserted when i was there around 11pm. but there were a few hotties in there. alcatraz had some lookers also. dollhouse was dead even at 1 in the morning. i know i hit a few other places but just can remember anymore at this time.

i hit my current favorite spot on walking street, airport go-go & was again impressed with the scene. the club is actually rather small but the place was full of folks. i don't know what it is about the place but i just like the vibe there. the moment i stepped in the place a cute little thing literally latched on to me. i normally reject the first dame to approach me when i enter a joint but this chica was nice looking & slim (me likey). we sat by the tub were the dames were soaping themselves up and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] the metal pole on the platform. yes, i tipped them generously. meanwhile, my new found friend was dry humping me like crazy. other guys were checking her out and one dude even came up and asked me how i managed to hook up with her. i replied that she just came and hopped on me. sometimes we have lucky days. she said that she loves american guys so maybe that had something to do with it. i hadn't planned to bf anyone that night but i figured if i didn't take her this night then i might not get the chance later. bf was a mere 600baht. st = 2, 000baht, lt=3, 000baht. i opted for a lt take-out. and had a good night night her. called herself bay-ow or some crap like that. back at the hotel she looked more average with the make-up off but still with a slender body-type that i like. the dame that was practically screwing me at the club, became shy and passive in the cama. go figure. still had a nice time and will certainly return to airport. may bf one of the other hotties there. tonight reckon i'll check out rhino, iron club and maybe a couple of others.

happy hunting gents.

- dsk

Hotel Jasmine is great. Total gf and zero noise level. Try it.

And its low budget too.

[QUOTE=Margaya; 1360529]Thanks a lot. You have answered what I wanted to know. Much apprciated bro.

Jasmine does seem to be pretty good deal. I just wonder how nousy it would be during the night?[/QUOTE]

I guess the days of st $15 and lt $30 are over? Why am I seeing people paying over $100 for some Putang in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362586]I guess the days of st $15 and lt $30 are over? Why am I seeing people paying over $100 for some Putang in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]It is actually more like 17 and 34 now. Many many can be had for that still. On Beach road.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1362611]It is actually more like 17 and 34 now. Many many can be had for that still. On Beach road.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Are you there now? What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?

[QUOTE=Margaya;1362218]Seems pretty much like soi cowboy except for upstairs room I guess.[/QUOTE]Totally different I'd say. Soi 6 is all about girls standing outside their bars and dragging you in. Inside the bar it is quiet, sometimes you are the only one there and the girl tries to get you to the ST room in record time. There is no dancing, no shows, just a seductive Thai girl trying all her tricks to get you upstairs.

Soi Cowboy is about the shows in the agogo clubs. Ideal if you go in group: you can have lots of fun there, watching the girls dance in the nude. There is far less hustling once you are inside. No problem to sit inside and only watch the show, nursing your drink. I do not think that will work in Soi 6. Well there is no reason to go inside a bar in Soi 6 unless you want to sample the delights of one of the bargirls.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362614]Good to know. Are you there now? What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?[/QUOTE]Down side?

None on BR in my opinion.

The down side is walking street.
Stroll down BR and negoitate anything you want. At a cost 1/4 or less than WS.
You can actually talk with the girls w / o loud music and buying a bunch of ladydrinks.
I have probably taken 50 girls from BR and always had a good experience. Many I extend to LT.
Never been ripped off or not gotten what I negotiated for.

But many like the Gogo's. The overall quality is better in the Gogo's. But if you walked BR, you will also find some decent girls. And the service is a lot better from the BR girls in my opinion. The Gogo's are worth a look. But that is all I do now. Look and leave for BR.

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick;1362565]I have been back in Pattaya for a few days now and I've been having a good time. Have only visited one massage place so far, Sabai Dee Land, but picked a nice looking lady named Fern out of the crop of ladies. She had a decent body on her, and was quite good with the massage and in the sack. Said she was from Bangkok but that she likes Pattaya more. 2,080baht for the massage; 1, 500baht tip. She deserved it IMO.[/QUOTE]I know you said you made a mistake last week in Angeles by giving the girl $62 in addition to the all-inclusive barfine of $45 because you didn't know the $45 covered everything. Are you saying that this time you gave the girl $50 extra in addition to her regular 90 minute pay of $34 [b]on purpose[/b]?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1362699]I know you said you made a mistake last week in Angeles by giving the girl $62 in addition to the all-inclusive barfine of $45 because you didn't know the $45 covered everything. Are you saying that this time you gave the girl $50 extra in addition to her regular 90 minute pay of $34 [b]on purpose[/b]?[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same thing. I think he believes the massage was actually 2080 and tipped for the FS?

I am not cheap, but if I pay 2k at one of those places maybe leave 500 B. If it was really really good.

In addition to the PI overpay, he talks about worrying about tipping mamsn. at Gogo's?

I hope someone can talk some sense into him.

After 1 year and 6 months I came back to Pattaya. If you (same me) have been in Pattaya before, you can maybe notice, that people in Pattaya have been more aggressive now, compared to earlier visits to Pattaya. Generally, Thai people in Pattaya have never been polite, compared to Thai people in other regions of Thailand. But now I can only describe them very rude. Even you are polite and talk nice to them, you may meet very aggressive reply from them. Last week I and a friend of mine were walking on Beach Road. As my friend should go to the WC, I should wait for him. Just around Central Festival, while I was going to sit down on the Beach Road, a freelancer said to me: "You forget me". I replied friendly and said "If you forget me, I forget you". Then she made a hand-gesture and said "You go, go, go!" I told to the freelancer, that she talked to me, and I talked to her. I talked her friendly. But she was not friendly, but hostile. She said "sorry". But hearing "You go, go, go!" in a place where you make holiday is not that nice at all. (This gesture is actually equal to show fuck-finger.)

On this trip it wasn't the last time I heard "You go, go, go!" from Thai people in Pattaya. I was talking with a street-painter on the end of Walking Street, on my way to Mixx. I was very drank, but very friendly. He replied very aggressively. After he said "You, go, go, go!", I was ready to leave him. As I was very drank, I showed my fuck-finger. And he began to hit my face with a chair. I run from that crazy man with bleeding lips. (All right, it was not right to show a fuck-finger at all. But as I told, I was very drank. I am not justifying my fuck-finger. But begin to hit a drank man on his face was definitely a crazy action!).

As a result of such bad communications and attack from Thai people in Pattaya, I and my friend decided to ignore Thai people who talk to us. (We definitely not reply "Hello, taxi" and "Hello, massage"-approach any more). Yesterday we were walking on Beach Road around 3 pm. As we should exchange first, we came on the shopping-side of Beach Road. A man was saying "Hello. Boat to Koh Lorn". We ignored him, as he was behind us, and as we didn't see him at all. We were not sure, that he was talking to us either. But he followed us around 2-3 minuttes. And saying "Hello. Can you speak?","Hello, do you have a mouth?" etc. He didn't give up, and we didn't give up to ignore him. And before he gave up, he said "Fuck you!" to us. And that sentence we ignored too.

Summa summarum: Pattaya is a place which is going to be more aggresive and more rude day after day. Be aware of that aggresive atmosphere here, and try to ignore all those people, which you don't have to speak to, if you want to make a good holiday.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1362699]I know you said you made a mistake last week in Angeles by giving the girl $62 in addition to the all-inclusive barfine of $45 because you didn't know the $45 covered everything. Are you saying that this time you gave the girl $50 extra in addition to her regular 90 minute pay of $34 [b]on purpose[/b]?[/QUOTE]Howdy gents,

Actually I never said that I made a mistake. I simply didn't know how the system worked in AC so I paid what I figured would be a reasonable amount. Surely you realize how little $62 is, yes? I was only concerned due to the reactions I got from the dames when I gave them a tip the next morning. That is when folks on the AC forum told me that the tip was included in the bar fine and nothing extra was required. So no doubt I had paid much more than normal, yet I must say that the extra money has ZERO impact on me and I was more than willing to part with the dough. In hindsight I wouldn't have given so much now that I know the system, but I have no regrets either.

Now that I am in the LOS and Pattya, I know that the system it is normal to pay a BF and then tip the lady at the end of the encounter. How much you tip is up to you and the dame (s).

All I can say is that I am here on vacation for a short amount of time. I haven't the time nor desire to pinch pennies or be a cheap Charlie and get maximum pleasure for the minimum price. I want to have a lot of fun with little Asian hotties before returning back to "Sex-Prison" USA and working with a bunch of Femi-Nazi co-workers. I am willing and able to splurge a bit and that is what I am going to do. It would be different if I was here for months at a time or living here, but if that was then case then I would probably just have a bunch of girl friends and just visit these pricier venues from time to time.

Trust me, I have no desire to jack up prices for the ex-pats & long term visitors. At the same time, I am here to maximize my fun and not worry about how much something will cost. Believe me, these well-heeled Asian guys are changing the scene plus raising costs & expectations far more than I could ever wish to do.

Peace.
- DSK

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick; 1362823]Howdy gents,

Actually I never said that I made a mistake. I simply didn't know how the system worked in AC so I paid what I figured would be a reasonable amount. Surely you realize how little $62 is, yes?[/quote]That is your problem dude. $62 is a ton of dough to these girls. The average monthly wage in this country is what, $170 a month.

Rethink what you are doing and where you are. I don't think you are jacking up prices, but you are screwing yourself big time.

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[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1362822]Shit dude. Are you a sensitive child? What a wimp.

These are your complaints. Go home then.

You give a SW a smart ass comment and expect her to be nice?

You are drunk and flip a dude off and you expect nothing in return?

Just say to the Boat scalper,"no thanks".

You seem to be a senstive child like wimp. What a loser. Go home and get a life![/QUOTE]I've been here three time this year and not been beaten once with a chair. You see people like that in Pattaya all the time who fail to observe the basics of thai politeness just because they have money. It's just plain ugly. He probably got off easy though. Maybe they come from countries where politeness is not the norm and they are somehow unable to conceptionalize that other parts of the world are different.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1362836]I've been here three time this year and not been beaten once with a chair. You see people like that in Pattaya all the time who fail to observe the basics of thai politeness just because they have money. It's just plain ugly. He probably got off easy though. Maybe they come from countries where politeness is not the norm and they are somehow unable to conceptionalize that other parts of the world are different.[/QUOTE]If you read my rapport again, then you can see, that I am the guy who is polite, not those mentioned Thai people in Pattaya. Politeness of most Thai people in Pattaya is very money-oriented. If they don't get money out of you, then you can see the rudeness of Thai people in Pattaya.

As I wrote in my first rapport, I was very drunk. I don't justify to show fuck-finger to anyone. I think it's wrong to show fuck-finger. But that crazy man who hit me with a chair, just because I show him a fuck-finger, could just show me his fuck-finger too. And that could have been the end. Attacking to a very drunk man's face with a chair is not something you should symphatise, unless you are also such a crazy man.

Oh, yes! I have observed Thai politeness in many rural areas in Thailand. If you travel to not-too-touristic places, so you can see the real Thai politeness. But, do finally understand: politeness in Pattaya is going to vanish! And this is not my first time in Pattaya, either.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362614]Good to know. Are you there now? What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?[/QUOTE]Theft and STD's.

Regards.

BJ

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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362614]Good to know. Are you there now? What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?[/QUOTE]Enjoying an inadvertent walk on the 'wild side'. But then again maybe you'l enjoy this voyage of discovery.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather;1362819]Summa summarum: Pattaya is a place which is going to be more aggresive and more rude day after day. Be aware of that aggresive atmosphere here, and try to ignore all those people, which you don't have to speak to, if you want to make a good holiday.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand your first example. DID you forget her? If so, your reply was a further slap in her face. The 2nd example. Sorry dude. You were way out of line, drunk or not. But the 3rd example, well fuck, WHY do we have to acknowledge every fucking tout who is trying to part us with our money? I cannot tell you how many times people interrupted me to push their fucking shit on me. I do ignore them. That too is an answer.

But here's my own example of the rude attitude in Pattaya. I was a paying customer in a little bar at the fake Thai boxing place. Only I happened to be there when a westerner was going up against Thai and it was a real fight. Guys were trying to sit at this bar and watch without ordering a drink and the mamasan ran off 3 in a row in about 1 minute. I mentioned how cheap they were and she replied "Same you" even though my tab at that point was about 1200 baht. I watched the rest of the fight and paid my "bin" and left.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362614]What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?[/QUOTE]To me there is no downside. It's just a different venue. And there are different strokes for different folks. Chicks in Walking Street, bars, gogos or where ever will steal and may also have STDs. There is no exemption or guarantee because one works at a certain venue. In addition, the same girls who you can give 500 baht on Beach Road can go down to Walking Street or into a disco and command more money. You would never know they had been on Beach Road earlier in the day or evening. Pick your own poison.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai; 1362892]I'm not sure I understand your first example. DID you forget her? If so, your reply was a further slap in her face. The 2nd example. Sorry dude. You were way out of line, drunk or not. But the 3rd example, well fuck, WHY do we have to acknowledge every fucking tout who is trying to part us with our money? I cannot tell you how many times people interrupted me to push their fucking shit on me. I do ignore them. That too is an answer.

But here's my own example of the rude attitude in Pattaya. I was a paying customer in a little bar at the fake Thai boxing place. Only I happened to be there when a westerner was going up against Thai and it was a real fight. Guys were trying to sit at this bar and watch without ordering a drink and the mamasan ran off 3 in a row in about 1 minute. I mentioned how cheap they were and she replied "Same you" even though my tab at that point was about 1200 baht. I watched the rest of the fight and paid my "bin" and left.[/QUOTE]Well, my first example was about a freelancer I didn't fuck ever. I talked with her once, but didn't take her to the room, as I didn't find her interesting enough. I didn't forget her. But when she said "you forget me", I said "if you forget me, I forget you". I was very friendly and smiling. That was all. As I walking on a public place, that was just too much, when she say "You go, go, go" and make a hand-gesture, which is equal to a fuck-finger. When I told her, that I was friendly, but she was not friendly, she said "sorry", and that was all right. I just write about those things to illustrate, that Pattaya is going to be a harder place day after day.

I don't justify my fuck-finger in 2nd example. But, after that episode I ask myself where the hell is the Buddhaistic tolerance and non-violence? Oh, by the way, I know little about Buddhaism.

About your example, I can only say, even your bill was about 2000 Baht, so you're still a cheap charlie from mamasan's point of view. Because, you will never ever be accepted as a human-being in Pattaya, but only as a walking ATM.

Possibly the down turn in politeness is a direct result of the number of Russians visiting now. I have been to several Russian countries and seen the great rise in numbers in Pattaya, Russians are very rude compared to the UK, USA etc. If the Thais in Pattaya see this on a daily basis they are going to adopt similar attitudes. Some years ago I had a girl friend from Bishkek in Kyrgistan she tried to explain there is no direct equivalent to the word please in Russian.

May the force be with you.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1362875]If so then please do keep us appraised of your adventures. I wait with relish further posts describing whereupon with no provocation whatsoever Thais assault you with whatever weapons are at hand. You should seriously think about having these situations filmed and put on youtube. It would be a great hit in Thailand and could make you a minor celebrity. Then you would have people attack you with no provocation just for the privillage of being able to assault an idiot falang.[/QUOTE]Pointy Stick, all I can say to you and guys like you, who insist not to understand what I write: I am going to pray Buddha after I finish to type my message here. I will pray, that very soon, you and guys like you may experience all those things I experienced. And when you get such experiences, maybe you will maybe be able to be little empatic. That will be my pray of the day!

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1362901]Possibly the down turn in politeness is a direct result of the number of Russians visiting now. I have been to several Russian countries and seen the great rise in numbers in Pattaya, Russians are very rude compared to the UK, USA etc. If the Thais in Pattaya see this on a daily basis they are going to adopt similar attitudes. Some years ago I had a girl friend from Bishkek in Kyrgistan she tried to explain there is no direct equivalent to the word please in Russian.

May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]I think you are right, LukeSkyWanker. That can be an explanation about the lack of the Thai politeness. But, still, I don't understand people give up Buddhaistic tolerance so easily.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather;1362902]Pointy Stick, all I can say to you and guys like you, who insist not to understand what I write: I am going to pray Buddha after I finish to type my message here. I will pray, that very soon, you and guys like you may experience all those things I experienced. And when you get such experiences, maybe you will maybe be able to be little empatic. That will be my pray of the day![/QUOTE]Let me get this straight: You drunkenly show a thai dude your 'finger fuck' gesture and he beats you with a chair for insulting him and somehow you are surprised? What did you expect would occur?

Odds are I won't experience this as I don't go around drunkenly giving thai guys a 'finger fuck' gesture because I am not a moron.

Just learn to say.

Mai ao khrup (don't want)

Mai Pai Khrup (don't want to go)

Its simple. Have fun at Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather; 1362819]After 1 year and 6 months I came back to Pattaya. If you (same me) have been in Pattaya before, you can maybe notice, that people in Pattaya have been more aggressive now, compared to earlier visits to Pattaya. Generally, Thai people in Pattaya have never been polite, compared to Thai people in other regions of Thailand. But now I can only describe them very rude. Even you are polite and talk nice to them, you may meet very aggressive reply from them. Last week I and a friend of mine were walking on Beach Road. As my friend should go to the WC, I should wait for him. Just around Central Festival, while I was going to sit down on the Beach Road, a freelancer said to me: "You forget me". I replied friendly and said "If you forget me, I forget you". Then she made a hand-gesture and said "You go, go, go!" I told to the freelancer, that she talked to me, and I talked to her. I talked her friendly. But she was not friendly, but hostile. She said "sorry". But hearing "You go, go, go!" in a place where you make holiday is not that nice at all. (This gesture is actually equal to show fuck-finger.)

On this trip it wasn't the last time I heard "You go, go, go!" from Thai people in Pattaya. I was talking with a street-painter on the end of Walking Street, on my way to Mixx. I was very drank, but very friendly. He replied very aggressively. After he said "You, go, go, go!", I was ready to leave him. As I was very drank, I showed my fuck-finger. And he began to hit my face with a chair. I run from that crazy man with bleeding lips. (All right, it was not right to show a fuck-finger at all. But as I told, I was very drank. I am not justifying my fuck-finger. But begin to hit a drank man on his face was definitely a crazy action!).

As a result of such bad communications and attack from Thai people in Pattaya, I and my friend decided to ignore Thai people who talk to us. (We definitely not reply "Hello, taxi" and "Hello, massage"-approach any more). Yesterday we were walking on Beach Road around 3 pm. As we should exchange first, we came on the shopping-side of Beach Road. A man was saying "Hello. Boat to Koh Lorn". We ignored him, as he was behind us, and as we didn't see him at all. We were not sure, that he was talking to us either. But he followed us around 2-3 minuttes. And saying "Hello. Can you speak?","Hello, do you have a mouth?" etc. He didn't give up, and we didn't give up to ignore him. And before he gave up, he said "Fuck you!" to us. And that sentence we ignored too.

Summa summarum: Pattaya is a place which is going to be more aggresive and more rude day after day. Be aware of that aggresive atmosphere here, and try to ignore all those people, which you don't have to speak to, if you want to make a good holiday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather;1362900]About your example, I can only say, even your bill was about 2000 Baht, so you're still a cheap charlie from mamasan's point of view.[/QUOTE]What? You do realize how much beer this would buy you in one of these bars? I have been to the exact same venue as crazy is talking about so I know exactly how much beer this gets you and it is not in the cheap charlie category.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker;1362901]Some years ago I had a girl friend from Bishkek in Kyrgistan she tried to explain there is no direct equivalent to the word please in Russian.May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]What about (written in latin fonts). Pajalsta? The word exists, the intention to use it is soemthing else, LOL

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1362681]Totally different I'd say. Soi 6 is all about girls standing outside their bars and dragging you in. Inside the bar it is quiet, sometimes you are the only one there and the girl tries to get you to the ST room in record time. There is no dancing, no shows, just a seductive Thai girl trying all her tricks to get you upstairs.

Soi Cowboy is about the shows in the agogo clubs. Ideal if you go in group: you can have lots of fun there, watching the girls dance in the nude. There is far less hustling once you are inside. No problem to sit inside and only watch the show, nursing your drink. I do not think that will work in Soi 6. Well there is no reason to go inside a bar in Soi 6 unless you want to sample the delights of one of the bargirls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying it, that is a big difference of course. So I guess don't get dragged inside unless you really like the girl? And if she does turn out to be do-able then how much should one expect to spend $20 for FS in room upstairs for 30 mins? Plus a lady drink$5?

[QUOTE=Nishu617; 1362579]Hotel jasmine is great. Total gf and zero noise level. Try it.

And its low budget too.[/QUOTE]Nishu617.

Thanks. Thats pretty much what I zeroed in on as well.

Cheers

Hi guys, I went to Thailand previosly this year and yes sir, what a great place for a single man.

The average ladys was a little bit to old I thought, it seemed to me that most of them were around like 30+ but if I searched a while I could find younger ladys like 20. 25 years old.

I got a couple of girls who was 21 and 23, but they were not especially cooperative for analsex so I let them off with just screwing their cherry pies.

It seemed pretty hard to find girls in their twenties who would be happy with anal, and I think better stay away from freelancers due to the STD problem, it feels much more safer with bargirls.

Anyway, you experienced mongers outthere, do you think it will be OK to do them anal anyway?

They shouldn't struggle to much I think, and you can't really call it lawbreaking cause by the deal her ass is yours for the hour, you paid for her right.

I would just love to asspound one of those cocky young bitches who in the nightclub at home would just grind her ass at your crotch til you got a hardon and then just walk away with that evil smile in her face you know.

Or may you have some problems with nasty boyfriends/"mafia" if you're not the Perfect gentleman?

[QUOTE=Fun Filled; 1362921]Just learn to say.

Mai ao khrup (don't want)

Mai Pai Khrup (don't want to go)

Its simple. Have fun at Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thanks, but if I should answer all those taxi-guys, massage-women and all other scammers, you have to say those words almost 1000 times in a day. That's not why I go for holiday.

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[QUOTE=LukeSkyWanker; 1362901]Possibly the down turn in politeness is a direct result of the number of Russians visiting now. I have been to several Russian countries and seen the great rise in numbers in Pattaya, Russians are very rude compared to the UK, USA etc. If the Thais in Pattaya see this on a daily basis they are going to adopt similar attitudes. Some years ago I had a girl friend from Bishkek in Kyrgistan she tried to explain there is no direct equivalent to the word please in Russian.

May the force be with you.[/QUOTE]Maybe tourists in general. I remember going form BKK to Phu Ket and being amazed at the difference in the people. I can totally understand being harassed by asshole tourists all day can wear you down. On the other hand giving anyone in another country (their country) the finger can leave you open to an ass whooping. What was he thinking? Oh he wasn't. Nothing good comes of getting shit faced in a foreign country or at home for that matter.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather;1363016]Thanks, but if I should answer all those taxi-guys, massage-women and all other scammers, you have to say those words almost 1000 times in a day. That's not why I go for holiday.[/QUOTE]I suggest you write to the Tourist Authority of Thailand (plus "cc" to the Tourist Police, your Ambassador and Consul-General for good measure) that they should educate those local nuisances not to talk to you unless first spoken to.

Come on, get real! Politeness goes both ways. If you forfeit all respect by drunkenly flipping someone the finger, then you had it coming. Not that I condone what your assailant did, but he was no worse than you.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather;1363016]Thanks, but if I should answer all those taxi-guys, massage-women and all other scammers, you have to say those words almost 1000 times in a day. That's not why I go for holiday.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should get around more. I simple smile and a "no thank you" goes a long way in life and in any country. Coming here twice a year, and just wrapping up my third night, I ha ve never experienced any problems in Pattaya. But then again, I'm not rude and flip the locals off.

Hey, try that shit in El Salvador, they will chop off your head with a fucking machete!

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362937]What? You do realize how much beer this would buy you in one of these bars? I have been to the exact same venue as crazy is talking about so I know exactly how much beer this gets you and it is not in the cheap charlie category.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Dr BJ,

As all farangs regarded as walking ATMs, it's always little money what they can get out of your pocket. From mamasan's point of view, there is no limit for money she could imagine to get out of your pocket. That's why, even you spent 1200 Baht you are a cheap charlie here in Pattaya. (That can maybe explain rudeness of some Thai people in Pattaya).

By the way, I can also calculate, that you can almost buy 20 beers for 1200 Baht. (Or 10 lady-drinks).

Regards.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather; 1363020]I have another definition of a moron. A moron is a guy like you, who insist not to understand, that a very drank man show his fuck finger after that very drank man was provoked by that crazy Thai man. And you justify violence against a very drank man, who was not able to defend him self! Bravo bravissimo!

Well, if you are very drank, you don't expect what would occur. In Buddhaistic culture, a very good Buddhist would say "I am sorry for you" to me, instead of hitting me with a chair. Here in Pattaya, most of Thai people are very angry and very provocative. I just try to write about the atmosphere and aware my fellow-mongerers. But what a reaction I got from guys such you? Think about it!

Any way, I did my pray to Buddha. Who knows? A very good day, you would be very drank and could be in my place. So you can learn to be empatic, then. So you can call moron to yourself.[/QUOTE]If a drunk man were not guilty for showing his fuck finger he would be guilty of being drunk. Drinking makes you guilty, not innocent!

Hi guys. I am going to Pattaya in July. I have heard that many ladies are a bit old, like 30+ :/

I want to screw girls in their twenties, like 20. 23 years old, no grandma for me as to speak : D.

Will I have any problems finding young ladies between 20. 23 years old?

Here's my thing, I want her naked kneeling for me, to suck my cock without a condom, then I would apprechiate if she can roll on the condom with her lips like they do in Amsterdam RLD, does Thai girls do that?

Then screw her cherry-pie before entering her anal with lube.

Will I have to search a while to find a young lady between 20. 23 who will accept the above?

And how much should I pay her? Say an hour or two.

Regards

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1363138]If a drunk man were not guilty for showing his fuck finger he would be guilty of being drunk. Drinking makes you guilty, not innocent![/QUOTE]I will be in Pats next month. My plan is to get drunk, flip all the Thai people off and act like an AH. I might even take a shit and throw it at them.

What do you think? Will this be OK since I will be drunk? Thanks

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1363160]I will be in Pats next month. My plan is to get drunk, flip all the Thai people off and act like an AH. I might even take a shit and throw it at them.

What do you think? Will this be OK since I will be drunk? Thanks[/QUOTE]You would probably want to read again what I wrote and find out that I am fully with you. In the country where I come from you will be prosecuted for what you did the same way as if you had been sober, but the reason for prosecution is not what you did, but that you were drunk.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1362614]Good to know. Are you there now? What is the down side of Beach road compared to Walking Street?[/QUOTE]If you take a girl off the street you have absolutely no comeback in case of problems. Most importantly, they are dressed, you can't see their body. If get a GoGo girl there will be no surprises.

[QUOTE=Yiddo;1363266]If you take a girl off the street you have absolutely no comeback in case of problems. Most importantly, they are dressed, you can't see their body. If get a GoGo girl there will be no surprises.[/QUOTE]There is a flip side to that as well. My buddy pulled a stunner out of Airport last night. She wanted to stop at some Thai club, the three of us did not, so she copped a fucking attitude when we returned to base camp. He sent her packing, tears and all! Pattaya is like a box of chocolates; you know the rest!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1363121]Maybe you should get around more. I simple smile and a "no thank you" goes a long way in life and in any country. Coming here twice a year, and just wrapping up my third night, I ha ve never experienced any problems in Pattaya. But then again, I'm not rude and flip the locals off.

Hey, try that shit in El Salvador, they will chop off your head with a fucking machete![/QUOTE]I'm not sure what he doesn't understand about being a guest. Guests act accordingly. I mean if anything he should worry about his safety. In many of these mongering destinations life is cheap. He's lucky all he got was a chair. I think the chair-man was exercising control.

[quote]Most importantly, they are dressed, you can't see their body.[/quote]Yep. That's always been the sole argument for go go bars in Thailand for me. I can check out the merchandise in advance. You never know what's hiding under clothes, or even bikinis. When it's out in the open you can see (and often feel).

The downside is that dumbo tourists have turned a lot of these places into rip off shops like the strip clubs they go to back home in Europe and the US. Now you have go go girls in Thailand asking for tips just for dancing. And they're even offering overpriced lap dances.

On Beach Road you have the advantage of low prices and the ability to negotiate directly. I have ALWAYS had good experience with girls here, but I take my time, find a looker and chat her up a bit before heading home.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1363160]I will be in Pats next month. My plan is to get drunk, flip all the Thai people off and act like an AH. I might even take a shit and throw it at them.

What do you think? Will this be OK since I will be drunk? Thanks[/QUOTE]Please PM me and I will come to Patts with you. Maybe we could run up some big bar bills and try just walking out of the bar? I think the Russian joints in walking street would be a good place to do this. Seriously I thought this guy's posts were fake but apparently not.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1363008]I got a couple of girls who was 21 and 23, but they were not especially cooperative for analsex so I let them off with just screwing their cherry pies.

It seemed pretty hard to find girls in their twenties who would be happy with anal, and I think better stay away from freelancers due to the STD problem, it feels much more safer with bargirls.

Anyway, you experienced mongers outthere, do you think it will be OK to do them anal anyway?

They shouldn't struggle to much I think, and you can't really call it lawbreaking cause by the deal her ass is yours for the hour, you paid for her right.

I would just love to asspound one of those cocky young bitches who in the nightclub at home would just grind her ass at your crotch til you got a hardon and then just walk away with that evil smile in her face you know.

Or may you have some problems with nasty boyfriends/"mafia" if you're not the Perfect gentleman?[/QUOTE]Wait, they were uncooperative towards the notion of anal sex so you "let them off" with vaginal sex? As if they had done something wrong by not consenting to anal sex! Go to a massage place or go-go bar and ask the mamasan which girls do anal, simple."They shouldn't struggle too much"? WTF are you planning to do to these girls? Listen these girls are human beings at the end of the day.

Instead of laying down the law to them try and show them a little respect, I think you might find this more effective as opposed to saying "your ass is mine, I paid for it so I will do what I want to it". Your part about ass pounding these girls is very disturbing indeed. I am guessing you are from Turkey but that aside you clearly have some deep rooted issues concerning women in general. If you come to Thailand with that attitude (which smacks of narcissism) then you will definitely get yourself into trouble.

Regards.

BJ

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[quote=blygdtuktaren; 1363143]hi guys. i am going to pattaya in july. i have heard that many ladies are a bit old, like 30+ :/

i want to screw girls in their twenties, like 20. 23 years old, no grandma for me as to speak : d.

will i have any problems finding young ladies between 20. 23 years old?

here's my thing, i want her naked kneeling for me, to suck my cock without a condom, then i would apprechiate if she can roll on the condom with her lips like they do in amsterdam rld, does thai girls do that?

then screw her cherry-pie before entering her anal with lube.

will i have to search a while to find a young lady between 20. 23 who will accept the above?

and how much should i pay her? say an hour or two.

regards[/quote]soi 6: you will find everything from 20 year olds (who look like being ****) to grandmothers (who don't look a day older than 30, but are probably over 40). clearly express your wishes. bbbj are quite common. you will have to ask (beforehand) if she does anal. prices will be about 1500 baht (including the barfine and the room)

[quote=blygdtuktaren; 1363008]hi guys, i went to thailand previosly this year and yes sir, what a great place for a single man.

i got a couple of girls who was 21 and 23, but they were not especially cooperative for analsex so i let them off with just screwing their cherry pies.[/quote]the escort (s) gets paid to do what she agreed to do, which is typically vaginal intercourse. if you want bbbj, cim, anal intercourse, whatever, you should negotiate for that before paying the bf or taking home the fl. of course, in the heat of sex she may change her mind and agree to try anal / etc but certainly don't force her to take it. physical force or duress to have sexual (eg vaginal, oral, anal) intercourse = [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

i've had escorts who during sex decided that they'll do anal, or even have their cherry ass popped. since i didn't force it upon them we part on good terms and when i see them again they're game (or even their friend or sister is) to go st / lt with me even though they know i prefer 3-holers.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362869]Theft and STD's.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]That has never happened to me on BR.

But reminds me: Do you test the girls at your shops?

I have been walking down BR the last few nights and I have never seen this large amount of girls available in all my years of traveling to the LOS.

This can mean a few of things: Girls can't find work even on high season for whatever reason. Or there are plenty of bargains to be had. Or there are many desperate women out there at this point and time.

To all, if you decide to pull one from the Coconut Bar, have your wits in tack and use caution. Bargains are not always a bargain!

Why allow the girl to have the upper hand if there are problems?

There is a way to protect yourself for most every situation and most mongers that have experience in some of the dicy-er destinations know the game and how to manage the event. If you don't care to learn how to manage such things, then yes, stick to some of the more controlled venues.

[QUOTE=Yiddo;1363266]If you take a girl off the street you have absolutely no comeback in case of problems. Most importantly, they are dressed, you can't see their body. If get a GoGo girl there will be no surprises.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1363424]That has never happened to me on BR.

But reminds me: Do you test the girls at your shops?[/QUOTE]Yes, very regularly.

Regards.

BJ

still cruising the pattaya scene. a couple of days ago i was in the mood for a simple bj and figured i'd try out [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi bj. i got there around 3pm and there were some ok looking dames siting outside. as soon as i stepped in the bar what seems like the oldest dame in the bunch follows me in and says,"this is bj bar. i go upstairs with you". i rather liked the interior decor of the place. sat down and grabbed a crappy tasting beer; singha or something. but no way am i going to get a bj from granny, so i tell her that i need to see the other ladies. she essentially says that in that bar you don't get to choose which lady services you. i suppose i could have just gone back outside and picked a dame but i wasn't in the mood to argue anymore so i left. no way i'm going to pay to have any form of sex with a dame i wouldn't let blow me for free. what bs.

from there i made my way to soi 21 to check out dream teen massage since i had read good things about it. never been there before but the system seemed straightforward. the mamasan had the ladies come out and i counted 9; some of whom were rather pretty. i quickly chose a little' cutie named yow and we made our way to one of the suites. she performed a good massage, but when it got to the happy ending her inexperienced with a penis showed. still she managed to do the job and i reached my "peak" with a hand release. only 500bahts for a hj, i gave a a mere 100bahts tip cause she was so cute. she said a bj was available for 1000bahts & 1500bahts for fs. not sure if that is the standard or just numbers she came up with. i usually only opt for fs at the higher-end mps or go-gos / clubs.

in the evening i toured some more go-gos. i can't even remember most of them. i like the talent in alcactraz & iron club but both of those places always try to assign a woman to me the moment i enter. i hate that crap and will almost always reject the dame even if she is a looker. if the gal is a mega-hottie then i wouldn't complain too much. when i visited sweet hearts go-go last night the place was small and had more gawking men sitting around than dames. i knew i wouldn't stay there long but i happened to have a chat with a cool joe with spoke thai very well, obviously a long-time veteran of the los. he told me that many guys hang out around the lk metro area to avoid the tourist hoards and that the scene there is how walking street was about 15 years ago. i must admit that i have never been in lk metro area at night. the guy said that a go-go called champagne was pretty good so i reckon i'll check it out one of these nights.

- dsk

she may have been trying to hustle you for herself because you can definitely pick the girl you want at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. although they do seem to have some type of rotation system for the girls, similar to the massage shops. champagne is actually in the vicinity of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and as are several other go-go bars but overall the girls are not ws go-go types.

[quote=devilspinkick;1363556]still cruising the pattaya scene. a couple of days ago i was in the mood for a simple bj and figured i'd try out [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi bj.[/quote]just so there is no misunderstanding to other newbies, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is located on soi lk metro which is east of second road near soi bhuakow.

soi bj is located off walking street.

you can always pick your girl at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but if you don't do it outside, then the one next in the rotation will follow you in and be your girl. you should have just gone back outside and picked one you wanted.

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren; 1363143]Hi guys. I am going to Pattaya in July. I have heard that many ladies are a bit old, like 30+ :/

I want to screw girls in their twenties, like 20. 23 years old, no grandma for me as to speak : D.

Etc.[/QUOTE]Just read a few reports, frequently. By July you will know lots. Sure you get everything you want in the right places. What do think the other mongers here want? There is little need for concern. If happens you don't like Pattaya, its not far to Bangkok.

Funny handle. Seems to be a cross between English, Thai and Deutsch. Given you know some Thai, like "Tukata", surely you know about Thailand too, or do you just know Thai girls OS? Anyway, I assume you know Thai girls, otherwise you would not be coming.

Hi. Will be in Patts starting 16th till 20th Jan. If anyone is around that time, would like to meet up for beers / hunt. Not sure of my accomodation yet, thinking of the Queen Vic or one of the Sabai's.

Cheers,

Road

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick;1363556]Still cruising the Pattaya scene. In the evening I toured some more Go-Gos...I like the talent in Iron Club. the LK metro area...is how Walking Street was about 15 years ago. I must admit that I have never been in LK metro area at night. The guy said that a Go-Go called Champagne was pretty good so I reckon I'll check it out one of these nights.[/QUOTE]LK Metro is definitely worth checking out. Champagne Go Go has been around for a long time and is probably a good place to start your night, but be sure to check out Queen Club, the new kid on the block before you leave LK Metro. I believe it is owned by the same group that owns Iron Club. I saw some pretty girls in there when I stopped by. I'd say Queen Club LK Metro is a must see place.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1363702]LK Metro is definitely worth checking out. Champagne Go Go has been around for a long time and is probably a good place to start your night, but be sure to check out Queen Club, the new kid on the block before you leave LK Metro. I believe it is owned by the same group that owns Iron Club. I saw some pretty girls in there when I stopped by. I'd say Queen Club LK Metro is a must see place.[/QUOTE]Yeh, I checked out Champagne tonight. It was OK. There were a few attractive gals in there along with plenty of old dudes. Had a good chat with one of the expats for a few minutes. Not enough going on to kept my attention though; so after about 30 minutes I decided to move on.

From there I went around the corner to Honey Body Massage. They showed me the fishbowl of dames which were pretty much all chubby and unattractive to me. Seems prices ranged from 2000 to 2500baht. I told the guy I had no interest in any of them, so then he takes me over to the VIP section were they have better dames for 3000baht. I will admit that the 12 or so women in that section where much more to my tastes. I picked a skinny & sexy gal named Nat and had a great time with her. Yeh, the massage parlor script gets stale after a while but I have had some great sessions with MP dames so I still do it from time to time. Gave 2000baht as a tip. She earned it as far as I'm concerned.

Now back on Walking Street. May stop off at one more Go-Go.

- DSK

5000 baht total then.

$170.

For a hooker.

At a massage parlor.

In Pattaya.

Fuck me.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1363762]5000 baht total then.

$170.

For a hooker.

At a massage parlor.

In Pattaya.

Fuck me.[/QUOTE]And if you're REALLY good you might get a VERY generous tip.

is this a general rule for other places that have girls waiting for you outside. or just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?

[quote=daddy07;1363611]you can always pick your girl at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] but if you don't do it outside, then the one next in the rotation will follow you in and be your girl. you should have just gone back outside and picked one you wanted.[/quote]

[quote=ehunter;1363787]is this a general rule for other places that have girls waiting for you outside. or just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?[/quote]you can always pick the girl you want. and you can always leave. no one is going to force you to get your dick sucked.

if you just walk in, you'll get whoever is next in rotation. you can ask her to send someone else, and continue that until you find someone you like. but the best bet is to pick one on the way in. these are suck and duck places, not watering holes to sit around and chat for hours.

also note that looks mean little when it comes to oral skills. sometimes the two are opposed to each other.

you did not answer the question.

does the procedure only exist at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or, is it a general rule for all the other similar establishments?

[quote=ehunter; 1363799]you did not answer the question.

does the procedure only exist at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or, is it a general rule for all the other similar establishments?[/quote]there are no general rules in thailand. everything seems an inspiration of the moment and you are advised to go with the flow.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1363762]5000 baht total then. For a hooker at a massage parlor in Pattaya. Fuck me.[/QUOTE]As I read the report, the rate for the VIP girl was 3000bt all-inclusive for room and service. No tip was required. Devilspinkick said he really liked the girl and wanted to give her a BIG tip. Under similar circumstances, eg. I really liked the girl and she performed great, the most I would tip a massage girl is 300bt-500bt. But to tip, or not to tip, the size of the tip; is up to the customer. Let's not get into another tipping debate.

[quote=ehunter;1363787]is this a general rule for other places that have girls waiting for you outside. or just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?[/quote]all the bj bars i have been too they are sitting out front.

the only exception i found was the pumpstation in pattaya. they were inside at the bar.

like the other dude said, the next in rotation will want to go with you but pick who you want. it is your bj, your money, and your choice. i usually choose the older girls because they seem to give better head.

[quote=devilspinkick; 1363556]still cruising the pattaya scene. a couple of days ago i was in the mood for a simple bj and figured i'd try out [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi bj. i got there around 3pm and there were some ok looking dames siting outside. as soon as i stepped in the bar what seems like the oldest dame in the bunch follows me in and says,"this is bj bar. i go upstairs with you". i rather liked the interior decor of the place. sat down and grabbed a crappy tasting beer; singha or something. but no way am i going to get a bj from granny, so i tell her that i need to see the other ladies. she essentially says that in that bar you don't get to choose which lady services you. i suppose i could have just gone back outside and picked a dame but i wasn't in the mood to argue anymore so i left. no way i'm going to pay to have any form of sex with a dame i wouldn't let blow me for free. what bs.

- dsk[/quote]yeap, total bs. i think you did the right thing by leaving without giving them your business.

next time you can try bliss. the girls are better looking and the price is 100 baht less. but if i'm honest, i've found some of the girls have an attitude. when i've asked some to take off their tops, i get "next time".

she'd have to give a really great bj for there to be a next time if she doesn't want to take off her top.

[quote=ehunter; 1363799]you did not answer the question.

does the procedure only exist at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or, is it a general rule for all the other similar establishments?[/quote]as a genera rule, anytime you see a bunch of girls sitting outside a massage shop in their matching uniforms, you can pick one out to go inside with you. if you don't pick one, the next girl in the rotation will follow you in and expect you to be her customer. so just point at the one you want on your way in and she will follow you.

Is relative and in many ways affected by what you are used to. For me, US$170 for time with a hot little Asian dame is dirt cheap. In America I pay around $260 for an hour with hot Korean MILFs, if lucky then sometimes the K-gal may be in her late-twenties. In Berlin, Frankfurt, Brussels, Rio or Sao Paulo I can easily spend $500+ for a night of fun; though usually with more than one dame & PSE level service. That's just the way it is, so when I'm in SEA and can go out on the town and spend less than $300 then for me it's quite economical. Beyond the P4P scene everything else from food to lodging to shopping is cheap as hell.

This is just a warm-up. Next month I'm going to Rio for two weeks where I'll spend some REAL cash. Don't feel too bad for me. I have money to blow and what better way to do it than with bad girls. That's why I'm a wh*emonger and not a marriage monger.

Appreciate all you veterans input and advice. I just don't spend enough time in Asia to reap the benefits that long term visitors can enjoy.

Life is good.
- DSK

[QUOTE=RBDave; 1363847]Yeap, total BS. I think you did the right thing by leaving without giving them your business.

Next time you can try Bliss. The girls are better looking and the price is 100 Baht less. But if I'm honest, I've found some of the girls have an attitude. When I've asked some to take off their tops, I get "next time".

She'd have to give a really great BJ for there to be a next time if she doesn't want to take off her top.[/QUOTE]Yeh, I had forgotten about Bliss Lounge. Never got the chance to visit earlier this year and I thought that maybe it had closed by now. If it's still open then I reckon I'll check it out. Of the ladies are better looking then that would be "muy bueno". I think I am almost Go-Go'd out now. That scene has gotten old. Might start visiting more of the beer bars where I won't have to listen to rap music or that Gundam style song.

- DSK

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1363631]Funny handle. Seems to be a cross between English, Thai and Deutsch. Given you know some Thai, like "Tukata", surely you know about Thailand too, or do you just know Thai girls OS? Anyway, I assume you know Thai girls, otherwise you would not be coming.[/QUOTE]On the handle "BlygdTuktaren":

"Blygd" is swedish for vulva.

"Tuktaren" is swedish for "one who punishes (or disciplines)"

[QUOTE=Harry Dude; 1363968]On the handle "BlygdTuktaren":

"Blygd" is swedish for vulva.

"Tuktaren" is swedish for "one who punishes (or disciplines)"[/QUOTE]Wow. And here was silly me thinking "bloody good dolls (Tukata)".

[QUOTE=Devilspinkick; 1361519]Yeh, I was not so impressed with DD and the ladies there aren't much to look at in general. Had much more fun at the Go-Gos like Airport, Lolipop, Iron Club, etc. But I've only been there once so maybe I just picked the wrong two dames & of course YMMV. Not saying that I didn't have a decent time there, but it wasn't all that great either. Plan to stick to the Go-Gos & MPs when I return. Which will be tonight!

- DSK[/QUOTE]DD. Value for money = A Big No.

DD. Mechanical = A Big Yes.

DD. Alternatives = Find a place where two girls seem to be friends. Move in on them. Chat them up. Get some sparks going. Take them back to your hotel.

[QUOTE=Raw Deal; 1363681]Hi. Will be in Patts starting 16th till 20th Jan. If anyone is around that time, would like to meet up for beers / hunt. Not sure of my accomodation yet, thinking of the Queen Vic or one of the Sabai's.

Cheers,

Road[/QUOTE]With a name like that. That's what you will get at the Queen Vic.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1363702]but be sure to check out Queen Club, the new kid on the block before you leave LK Metro. I saw some pretty girls in there when I stopped by. I'd say Queen Club LK Metro is a must see place.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. I spent a couple of hours in this place last night. Some real stunners in the place. They also have a couple of great pole dancers. The new kid on the block is kicking ass!

I was in Pattaya last weekend for three days, from 14th to 17th. The primary reason was to attend a Christmas party on Saturday 15. I decided to go down a day earlier with a friend who also lives in Bangkok. Checked in to a very nice guest house in Soi Buakao called Patama's place around 1 pm. Pretty standard kind of room, food is very good and they do have a large wine selection. I prefer staying in this area as it is a lot quieter than Walking street or beach road.

After walking through the market at the end of Soi Buakao and my friend failing to buy a shirt for the following night we headed to the Thai river restaurant on second road. This is one of my favourite places to eat in Pattaya, the quality of the food and service has never disappointed and all at a very reasonable price. We got there just after 4 pm so it was very quiet however in the evening they have traditional Thai dance and music shows. I would highly recommend this place to anyone visiting Pattaya. After eating we decided to make our way down to Soi 6 (naturally) , but chose to walk as opposed to taking a bike or baht bus.

After going into the Lord Nelson for a couple of coke's and then a couple of red bulls we took a slow walk down the whole length of Soi 6. At the last bar on the right hand side my friend was recognized by one of the girls sitting outside who called out to us with a very welcoming smile. After a brief exchange in we both went. Until recently all the girls I have been picking have been very slim with small breasts so I decided to introduce a bit of variety. The girl I selected fitted the bill perfectly. She had a very pretty face, beautiful smile and eyes and fairly big tits with a nice round arse. She did have a bit of a belly on her but as I said earlier this is what I was looking for. She said she was 26 and looking at her I had no reason to doubt her.

After a couple of drinks at the bar it was off upstairs to the ST rooms. The place only had one shower (at least on the floor we were on) so a bit of a delay had to be endured, no worries. After getting cleaned up it was down to business. My friend was in the next room and the walls were so shit you could hear the odd noise. Rather than being embarrassed we both decided to see the funny side of this and had a good laugh. Overall the service was very good, I decided to skip the DATY and did have to ask her to extend the BBBJ time but apart from that I was very happy with her performance. Total damage was 1000 to her. 350 for the room for one hour and 6-700 for drinks. Subsequently someone told me the bar was called the Halifax (I think). Soi 6 is a unique place to visit and I always drop by there when I am in Pattaya

After a nice pizza and pasta meal, and being upgraded to a much better room because of a double booking, we decided to start off the evening at Soi 7 and gradually make our way towards Walking street. First go-go we stopped at was sexy lady, because it was our first port of call and still early we were not intending to bar-fine anyone at this point. There were two ladies dancing naked and for some reason I felt sorry for one of them, I cannot explain why but she had a sad look on her face so I thought the least I can do is buy her a drink, which I did as we were leaving.

We jumped on a baht bus and made our way towards walking street. My mate had never actually walked along Beach road so we jumped off the bus and walked the last 10 minutes or so. I have never actually taken a freelancer from here but I have to admit there were quite a few I saw that I would have no hesitation taking back to my abode. Walking street seemed to have more families and non-mongers than I remember from previous visit's. We went to Spanky's in Soi Diamond. The line up of ladies was very impressive indeed and there seemed to be more enthusiasm put into the shows than I have seen in other go-go's.

I was not tempted to take a lady as I knew the guy who owns both the Spanky's in Bangkok and Pattaya would be at the party the following night and we would end up back at Soi Diamond the next night. As we left I mentioned to my friend that the dancer from sexy lady was still on my mind so after some deliberation we decided to head back there with the intention of bar-fining her. As we walked towards the go-go I joked to my friend that when we walked in she would quite probably be sitting there with a customer! Guess what, she was. To be honest I was genuinely pleased for her that she was making some money with her client and he was not being shy about buying her drinks. We decided to take a walk back towards Soi Buakao and stopped in at one of the open beer bars, apparently this was Soi Cassicom.

After a few games of pool I mentioned bar fine to the girl I was playing with and she had no hesitation in agreeing. My mate had been talking to a pretty young girl who turned out to be the GF of the German guy who owned the bar (not there at the time) so a BF for her was out of the question. BF was 300 and I can't remember how much the drinks came to, not much as I had only bought 3 for each of us. I did want to drop into Lolitta's in LK Metro to see the guy who runs the place but got sidetracked. He is a very pleasant American guy who I was introduced to back in April, extremely personable chap who also does a sterling job running the place. Actually it is a pity he does not post on here, or if he does it is done covertly. Come to think of it he is the type of guy that would probably pick a handle along the lines of a double barreled canine sounding name, you know the sort of thing one wild and one domesticated. He is quite busy so probably wouldn't have a lot of time to post, if he hypothetically did I would think he would have something like 16 posts at a guess. Anyway I would recommend going to Lolitta's if you find yourself in that area. If he is there I feel sure he would be happy to shoot the breeze with you.

The lady I bar-fined was a slightly fuller frame than I am normally attracted to, but she turned out to be a very good find by luck rather than judgement. We seemed to have a good rapport going with a sprinkling of humour. Her English was fairly basic and my Thai is shocking, however we got on very well. The highlight was her BJ technique. I think this was one of those lucky moments where her technique just happened to fit perfectly with what I like. We had agreed on 1500 baht LT but I had already decided she was worth a 500 baht tip. Pretty good start to the weekend and still two days to go. Went to sleep around 3:30, will post day two's proceedings tomorrow.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1362869]Theft and STD's.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]Are you speaking from personal experiences or just making shit up to scare the tourists into paying barfines and lady drinks at the bars?

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1364111]Are you speaking from personal experiences or just making shit up to scare the tourists into paying barfines and lady drinks at the bars?[/QUOTE]Now those are badly formulated questions. One cannot give a good answer. Either you say "personal experience" and then you confess having (had) an STD and / or being robbed or you confess making up stuff.

It is like asking "Have you stopped cheating on your wife"?

Nice informative post.

Good to see that idiot who was badgering you got his posts fed back to him.

It is nice having you here and don't let anybody drive you off.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1364018]I was in Pattaya last weekend for three days, from 14th to 17th. The primary reason was to attend a Christmas party on Saturday 15. I decided to go down a day earlier with a friend who also lives in Bangkok. Checked in to a very nice guest house in Soi Buakao called Patama's place around 1 pm. Pretty standard kind of room, food is very good and they do have a large wine selection. I prefer staying in this area as it is a lot quieter than Walking street or beach road.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1363530]Yes, very regularly.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]That is good to know since I have barebacked several girls in your shops over the past 6 months.

Merry Christmas, Luvpuss

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1364018]we headed to the Thai river restaurant on second road. This is one of my favourite places to eat in Pattaya, the quality of the food and service has never disappointed and all at a very reasonable price. BJ[/QUOTE]Excellent report about good places to visit in Pattaya, BJ.

Could you tell me more precisely where this restaurant is located on Second Road? I'd like to try it.

Thanks,

Daddy

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1364252]Excellent report about good places to visit in Pattaya, BJ.

Could you tell me more precisely where this restaurant is located on Second Road? I'd like to try it.

Thanks,

Daddy[/QUOTE]To be honest I cannot remember precisely. If you walk up the street that the Penthouse hotel is on then turn left onto second road and walk for about 5 minutes you see a large sign of a map of Italy on the right hand side of the road. About half way between this sign and that Ripley's amazing world place (or something like that) there is a large sign again on the right hand sign saying "Thai river restaurant", which is neon after dark. It is easy to miss, the actual restaurant is set back from the main road about 30-40 meters. Sorry for the sketchy directions but I never really stopped to think what street it is opposite or any land marks close by. I hope this will be enough for you to locate the place and I would thoroughly recommend going after 8 pm as they will have the traditional Thai music and dance shows. Enjoy.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1364122]Now those are badly formulated questions. One cannot give a good answer. Either you say "personal experience" and then you confess having (had) an STD and / or being robbed or you confess making up stuff.

It is like asking "Have you stopped cheating on your wife"?[/QUOTE]Well to be fair I made the statement in the first place so he has every right to ask for justification. Hands up I am not speaking from personal experience. I have been told by friends of friends that they have, on occasions, had stuff taken from their rooms by a BR lady. Similar stories of disease have been recounted. Before anyone jumps all over this I admit the information is second or third person.

To put this into perspective I am not suggesting every girl who works BR is a raging thief and riddled with disease, some are just as good looking and trustworthy as a girl from a MP or go-go and a damn site cheaper. Some simply prefer the freedom of freelancing, they can come and go as they please, work when they want and take time off when they want. The difference with a go-go girl is if she steals from you you always have the recourse of going back to where she works, you do not have this with a street worker. Based on personal experience of girls from the beer bars giving better service / attitude than go-go's I would guess it may well follow the BR girls probably try a lot harder to please than a lot of go-go bar girls.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1364240]That is good to know since I have barebacked several girls in your shops over the past 6 months.

Merry Christmas, Luvpuss[/QUOTE]I hope you gave them a generous tip.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1364213]Nice informative post.

Good to see that idiot who was badgering you got his posts fed back to him.

It is nice having you here and don't let anybody drive you off.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the message of support. I did feel justified in reporting his post, something I have never done before and it would appear he has paid the price.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Bro2012;1364000]With a name like that. That's what you will get at the Queen Vic.[/QUOTE]No worries dude. .

Keep your sympathy for a lame handle like yours.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1364122]Now those are badly formulated questions. One cannot give a good answer. Either you say "personal experience" and then you confess having (had) an STD and / or being robbed or you confess making up stuff.

It is like asking "Have you stopped cheating on your wife"?[/QUOTE]The answer is operators of sex related establishments hate FL and SW because they cut into their business. Those workers than have an alternative to working for them.

Saturday 15 December.

Woke up quite late, think it was around 1 pm, no rush so I didn't. Eventually took a walk along Soi Buakao and found a nice little bar which served a full English breakfast (otherwise known as angina on a plate) I think I have had about four of these in the last 12 months. The quality was very good but I can't seem to find decent tasting bacon anywhere in Thailand, any suggestions would be welcome. The girl from the previous night was so good I decided to give her the bar-fine for Saturday night as well before she left. I know a lot of people will be thinking "why the same girl"? My philosophy is that I was only in Patts for three days and we all know p4p can be a lottery so rather than picking another girl and risking a dodgy performance why not book her and that way I know what I am getting.

After a few hours lazing about and looking on the internet I got myself ready and headed out to the venue. The party was arranged by some friends who live in Pattaya and run another forum, Barladies. Com. The place was called Le Private and is situated in Soi Lengkee, which links up with Soi Buakao. I had never been to this place before but had been appraised that it was ostensibly a BJ bar (bus-mans holiday is the word on everyone's lips) with ST rooms if needed and that the management would ensure a fine selection of ladies to choose from. Having necked a Kamagra gel in anticipation I was looking forward to a very fulfilling evening. Initially it was great to meet the old hands and a few new members I got there just after 8 and started off with a few vodka sprites. The place itself is quite small but nice enough. After an hour I was starting to wonder where TF these multitude of girls were. At that point there were four girls, one was the cashier, one was dancing (badly) on a pole, one was being fondled by a mate of mine and the other was way too ugly, even by my standards which are not high.

When it got to ten o'clock I thought enough is enough and persuaded everyone we needed to move the party on, which was obviously going to be Spanky's as the owner of the Nana and Pattaya places was at the party. As I said in the previous nights report the selection of ladies there is quite impressive. It occurred to me that perhaps I should forget the beer bar girl, let the girls see me talking to their boss and hope the service would reflect the fact that he might well ask what the service from the lady was like, but I decided against it. There was one super tall and slim girl there who did a show to the Tom Jones song "you can leave your hat on" which ends up with her and another girl being naked. If this is your cup of tea get yourself along there and check her out. As I said she is tall and slim, has a very nice face IMO small B cup breasts. I intend to acquaint myself with her the next time I get down to Pattaya.

I left there around 12 with the friend from Bangkok and walked up to the end of Soi Buakao where my beer bar lady was waiting. We had a few drinks there and my friend decided to head back to le Private where he had spoken to the girl who had been dancing previously to end the night with her. So it was a quick bike taxi journey for me and the lady back to the guest house. I have to say this girl had a great attitude and nice personality, the sex was even better than the previous evening, an amazing long BJ and she did this thing where she could move the muscles of her vaginal wall very noticeably and very enjoyably, she did offer bareback but I declined. If anyone is interested in giving her a try her name is Lux, she works in a bar called speak easy (it's one of these places similar to the beer bars on the right hand side just before you enter walking street) , The street name is Soi Cassicom and it is at the end of Soi Buakao, the opposite end to where the market is. The final days frolics will be posted tomorrow.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1364432]The answer is operators of sex related establishments hate FL and SW because they cut into their business. Those workers than have an alternative to working for them.[/QUOTE]Very true words. However the point you are missing here is that I don't have a business establishment in Pattaya so have no vested interest in dissuading people to take FL's from BR.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1364447]Very true words. However the point you are missing here is that I don't have a business establishment in Pattaya so have no vested interest in dissuading people to take FL's from BR.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Ah! Point of excellence to you Sir.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1364447]Very true words. However the point you are missing here is that I don't have a business establishment in Pattaya so have no vested interest in dissuading people to take FL's from BR.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I have no problem with you biz guys, I'm glad you do what you do. You have a fine establishment. I think we can all agree variety is he spice of life. SW one day, BJ joint the next. It's all good.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1364609]I have no problem with you biz guys, I'm glad you do what you do. You have a fine establishment. I think we can all agree variety is he spice of life. SW one day, BJ joint the next. It's all good.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true gentleman. Indeed variety is the spice of life, whether it is ladies or alcohol!

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1362822]Shit dude. Are you a sensitive child? What a wimp.

These are your complaints. Go home then.

You give a SW a smart ass comment and expect her to be nice?

You are drunk and flip a dude off and you expect nothing in return?

Just say to the Boat scalper,"no thanks".

You seem to be a senstive child like wimp. What a loser. Go home and get a life![/QUOTE]Are you a Thai working in Pattaya?

still messing around here in pattaya. i was slowed down a bit due to catching a cold, i was hacking up yellowish crud over the weekend. got some needed rest and popped some medicine pills and now i'm back up to speed. hit some of the beer bars very briefly, but before long was back into some go-gos. sadly it seems that prolonged time in the go-gos tend to make the dames there a bit loopy. or maybe it's just me.

happy a go-go on ws has some cute dames in there plus one superstar lady that actually reminds me of a latina the way she dances. in fact, she sort of resembles shakira. the two times i've visited this go-go one of the mamasans is trying to get me to bf them. the hell! one of them was probably quite the looker maybe ten years past and 25lbs less but that was then. now? no way. it is an ok place and at least they didn't hassle me for drinks constantly the way some paces do.

i sort of like the moon a go-go, though the interior lighting makes it hard to have a good look at the dames. perhaps on purpose? i met one lass in there with a great body, average face though. i was bored late monday evening so decided to check out tiger go-go. walked upstairs, the place was dead. found a side exit that connects to another go-go called shark so i roamed over there. stepped in the joint and noticed a handful of lean cuties so i figured i'd hang out for a while. had a hard time deciding, but i eventually shot my green pointer at a petite gal with a great tight body. called herself pawn. she came over to sit down and greet me, but she seemed really shy. one of the mamasans came over and we had drinks & chatted a bit. out of nowhere the mamasan asked me if she could touch my the*ck. i'm like "whatever", figuring that she just wants to do a size check so she can let pawn know that i'm not too big. well damn, she starts rubbing and stroking on me. i don't find her attractive but i couldn't help but get hard. damn! she keeps rubbing and touching me and rubbing my nipples. then she starts rubbing her nipples and flicking her tongue at me and she definitely appears turned on. meanwhile pawn is just sitting there staring off into space. i think she might have touched me twice during this whole time. mamasan is still rubbing on me and commenting on my "package"; then she asks me if i'm going to bf pawn. i was like "hell. it looks like i should be bfing you","too bad you aren't my type". this was just too weird. pawn was hot but we didn't seem to have any chemistry so i said that i wouldn't bar fine her that night. somehow my tab came up to 1260baht. only had a few drinks, maybe they added on a c*ck massage charge.

have visited the lk metro area some more. took the time to check out bliss lounge, it's close to soi lk metro and was easy to find. just like at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], if you don't pick someone outside then the next one on rotation will automatically claim you. thus, i checked out the dames siting outside the entrance. let's see, old, old, fat, fat, old, fat, etc. i was gone.

for christmas i decided to be extra evil and hit the devil's den. i figured this time i would just show up and see who was available. i stepped through the doors around 5pm and greeted the "guy". he then called in the ladies. i had decided that this time i would pick both women and it would be based on nothing more than body type. since my preferred type is skinny, i simply picked out the two thinnest dames that catch my i. one was vanessa & the other called herself sasha. we grabded some drinks and went upstairs to the adjacent hotel rooms. though we got off to a slow start after showering i turned out to be quit pleased with my choices. sasha had an especially nice tight little body (which i like anyway). vanessa was no slouch either, not as toned but still lean and a very cute face. we started the sasha giving bj while vanessa rode my face, then they changed positions for a while. doggy with sasha (glorious) , mish with vanessa, doggy with vanessa, mish with sasha. i had brought my own stash of condoms but forgot to bring my lube so they used some of that crappy ky when necessary. btw- no anal stuff. not to say that i won't do anal but i don't make a habit of it either. definitely not into women sticking things into any of my orificies. but if a guy is into such things then this is a place to go. since i hadn't "peaked" yet, i decided that a good way to finish would be to a good ol' two headed bj. with this task vanessa provided most of the suction but sasha definitely played a part. all in all a rather good session at the dd. the bill for 90mons came out to 3620baht, i tipped each lady 1000baht for a not-exactly-pse-but-good-enough level of service. they seemed rather pleased with the donation.

and what the hell is santa doing? giving presents to snot-nosed kids!

dsk

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1363440]I have been walking down BR the last few nights and I have never seen this large amount of girls available in all my years of traveling to the LOS.

This can mean a few of things: Girls can't find work even on high season for whatever reason. Or there are plenty of bargains to be had. Or there are many desperate women out there at this point and time.[/QUOTE]Finally, a report with some substance. Glad to hear BR is coming back into shape, it was in a bit of a slump few months back.

[QUOTE=Yiddo;1363266]If you take a girl off the street you have absolutely no comeback in case of problems.[/QUOTE]Pattaya bars are not exactly shining exemplars of amazing customer service either. If she steals something minor from you, they'll probably do exactly nothing. If she drugs you (the most common MO) , you might not remember much anyway. If she managed to steal a large amount of money, she'll be off to the village, and all that going to the bar would do for you is perhaps obtain a real name on the police report. Basically, prevention is key, afterwards you have little or no recourse anyway.

The best precaution is to make them show I'd card at the entrance and have the hotel retain a copy of it. This applies to freelancers as much as bargirls.

[QUOTE=Yiddo;1363266]Most importantly, they are dressed, you can't see their body. If get a GoGo girl there will be no surprises.[/QUOTE]After a few years of mongering, finding yet-another-hard-body is trivial. However, finding a girl with a proper attitude and chemistry is not as common and worth much more to me. This can be discovered far more easily in a more relaxed beach road environment. Of course, other people may have different priorities.

Been to Thailand dozens of times, many adventures in Pattaya, still two things I haven't figured out and hope some seasoned mongers can help.

1. A reliable place to buy quality lube and condoms. Is there something better than the crap they sell at Seven 11 that I have been missing all this time?

2. How to get girls to let you take pictures nude and during sex in 2013. Used to be no problem, then hit or miss, now I find very few will be photographed at all. What's the deal? I especially want to photo some of the hard bodies with prime cups I pull out of the go gos. I know people are still taking pics, and lots of them. All the Thai porn sites and then the amateur submissions like "submit your Thai" are chock full. What are they doing? Huge tips or something?

Cheers

A few days ago I had to show a friend around in Pattaya. After an obligatory visit to the overcrowded Windmill we went to Angelwitch and left only around 2 am. A lot of deja-vu as I saw my first AW-show some 10 years ago at NEP but they always seem to reinvent themselves quite well. The top dancers are stunning and unfortunately too busy to mingle with the crowd but the corps du ballet who appears between the acts has plenty of attractive girls. The later the night, the more more of the classical SM-inspired acts to the dark sound of Rammstein. My friend barfined a dancer and we even returned for a second night in a row and it was perfect entertainment all night again, quite a variation in the show too.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365018]1. A reliable place to buy quality lube and condoms. Is there something better than the crap they sell at Seven 11 that I have been missing all this time?[/QUOTE]Where are you from? I think you better check out what is available at your home country first.

If not, BOOTS have all the Gel Plays from Durex which do work well for me. KY has also never failed (ok, if pounding for a long time you may need to apply KY more than once)

As far as condoms go, I also would love to know about a place to buy them. I heard Seacon Square in BKK has a sex shop but never got to visit as it's out of the way.

[quote]2. How to get girls to let you take pictures nude and during sex in 2013. Used to be no problem, then hit or miss, now I find very few will be photographed at all. What's the deal? I especially want to photo some of the hard bodies with prime cups I pull out of the go gos. I know people are still taking pics, and lots of them. All the Thai porn sites and then the amateur submissions like "submit your Thai" are chock full. What are they doing? Huge tips or something?[/QUOTE]True, it becomes increasingly difficult but you can arrange it with the girl beforehands to let you take pictures. SW will usually agree. Most girls will not be against it but may ask for money in return.

Be careful though, I think there is a lawsuit against a foreigner posting a pic of a girl on the web without her consent, she says he portrayed her in a derogatory manner. If he loses, it's bye bye Thailand forever and either money or Jail time. Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365018]Been to Thailand dozens of times, many adventures in Pattaya, still two things I haven't figured out and hope some seasoned mongers can help.

1. A reliable place to buy quality lube and condoms. Is there something better than the crap they sell at Seven 11 that I have been missing all this time?[/QUOTE]As always bring your own condoms. I stock up on Magnums from Walmart when I am in the States and when I get home to Pattaya I dump them in my sex drawer.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365018]2. How to get girls to let you take pictures nude and during sex in 2013. Used to be no problem, then hit or miss, now I find very few will be photographed at all. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]I don't do shit but take out my camera and start snapping away. Never had a problem. And you know I don't give tips or extra money for any add-ons. Call me Flat Rate Frank. Ask Tomjackin how he does it. I don't think he has ever had a problem either.

Hey guys,

So my first time Thailand. First whoring trip too LOL. So I started in Bangkok and now I'm in Pattaya. I just wanted to know where I can get the best 'bang for my buck'. The gogo bars seem very expensive. 2000 baht for ST and 600 bar fine. Got it to 2,150 all in. Another place girl said 1000 baht and 3 or 400 bar fine can't quite remember, but I wasn't so into her. I know there are freelancers to be had much cheaper, or even at massage parlours. Where can I find them? Too many police around beach road because of the Christmas festivities so I didn't see any working. Or maybe I am looking in the wrong place on beach road?

I know Bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. But I actually have found it better so far. If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. On a side note I'm really enjoying it out here in Thailand, it's crazy as hell!

usually do bring condoms from home (usa) although they are japanese manufactured (american condoms are like wearing garbage bags, way too thick, even the "ultrathins"). not going to be an option this time. so what are the options in pattaya? just what has been said? i'm looking for something decent like okuma or kimono microthin. 2 or. 3, .4 mm at the most.

[quote]i don't do shit but take out my camera and start snapping away. never had a problem. and you know i don't give tips or extra money for any add-ons. call me flat rate frank. ask tomjackin how he does it. i don't think he has ever had a problem either.[/quote]never works for me. they always start freaking out. idk man, pulled hundreds of thai girls from bars, br, gogos, massage shops, etc. and none have ever been cool with nude pics for at least the last 2 years. i don't think it's because i'm a sucker. take nude pics most other places i go. probably have them from 15 countries at least. only occasional issues in the philippines,

correct me if i'm wrong, but you don't even take girls out of go gos right? you say you like "freebies" or whatever? or am i confusing you with someone else.

[quote]true, it becomes increasingly difficult but you can arrange it with the girl beforehands to let you take pictures. sw will usually agree. most girls will not be against it but may ask for money in return.

be careful though, i think there is a lawsuit against a foreigner posting a pic of a girl on the web without her consent, she says he portrayed her in a derogatory manner. if he loses, it's bye bye thailand forever and either money or jail time. be careful out there.[/quote]yea, i know it's illegal. kinda like speeding in your car i guess. i'll take my chances (if i can get any!).

wouldn't put my face in any pics nor leave any trail back to me, so at least the kind of situation you portrayed wouldn't be a worry.

i tried to negotiate prior a few times, like still in the go go but it always made things worse. they were usually repulsed by the idea and it turned them cold quick. some of the other hard bodies i've pulled from ws speak no english, but do a hell of a sign language routine when you whip the old nikkon out back in the room!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365101]I tried to negotiate prior a few times, like still in the Go Go but it always made things worse. They were usually repulsed by the idea and it turned them cold quick. Some of the other hard bodies I've pulled from WS speak no English, but do a hell of a sign language routine when you whip the old Nikkon out back in the room![/QUOTE]If you have one of these Pro looking cameras, you can always play the story that you are a Photographer in the US, you shoot many models. When Back in the room you can ask if they want some professional beauty shots. I am sure it could lead to kinky pics. Who knows.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365101]Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't even take girls out of Go Gos right? You say you like "freebies" or whatever? Or am I confusing you with someone else.[/QUOTE]Correct. My M. O. is non-pros (70%) , Beach Road (400 baht) + room (100 baht) for ST (5%) , discos for LT (1000 baht / 25%). Every damn week I'm meeting a chick who works in a gogo but is hanging in the disco anyway, plus I grew up in the strip clubs of Atlanta so I'm pretty jaded as far as naked girls on a stage goes. (A couple of years ago me and a wingman met two Devil's Den chicks in the disco and they didn't want any money at all!) I don't even step into bars or gogos unless someone is in town and is twisting my arm. I have my own bar with about 30 bottles of liquor in the crib. Then in the discos that I frequent I keep a bottle of Sangsom to sip for 1000 baht. Of course it is only 250 in the store, but I'm not complaining. It's not like I have to pay a cover charge or anything.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1365113]If you have one of these Pro looking cameras, you can always play the story that you are a Photographer in the US, you shoot many models. When Back in the room you can ask if they want some professional beauty shots. I am sure it could lead to kinky pics. Who knows.[/QUOTE]Tried it before actually. Helped that I've actually had photography published and can prove it. But still hasn't worked for me in Thailand. I don't WTF is going on with that. I remember when you could take pics all you wanted, ST or LT with every girl, never a complaint.

[quote]Correct. My M. O. is non-pros (70%) , Beach Road (400 baht) + room (100 baht) for ST (5%) , discos for LT (1000 baht / 25%). Every damn week I'm meeting a chick who works in a gogo but is hanging in the disco anyway, plus I grew up in the strip clubs of Atlanta so I'm pretty jaded as far as naked girls on a stage goes. (A couple of years ago me and a wingman met two Devil's Den chicks in the disco and they didn't want any money at all!) I don't even step into bars or gogos unless someone is in town and is twisting my arm. I have my own bar with about 30 bottles of liquor in the crib. Then in the discos that I frequent I keep a bottle of Sangsom to sip for 1000 baht. Of course it is only 250 in the store, but I'm not complaining. It's not like I have to pay a cover charge or anything.[/quote]I dig it, but when I go to Pattaya it's to shop at the meat market. Go in, grab what I like, get out. I could score girls in clubs back in New York any day of the week. Just not my scene anymore.

Had enough loud music for a life time, don't like dancing, and don't particularly care about drinking at all anymore. I really only want to fuck.

With Beach Road girls I've never been able to do pics either. I usually take one a day before the main course. I try to take my time and pick out the gems in their early 20's though. This may have something to do with it.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365018]How to get girls to let you take pictures nude and during sex in 2013. Used to be no problem, then hit or miss, now I find very few will be photographed at all. What's the deal?[/QUOTE]Photography got *much* more difficult than it was, you're right. Must be the ubiquity of smartphones, Facebook, and online dating sites for sponsor-seeking.

What works for me (to an extent) is a soft-escalation approach.

My staple are freelancers. I tell them early that I like taking photos and ask her to take a few casual shots while we're walking to my hotel. If I see reluctance at this point (10-20% girls object) , I make my excuses and dump her. If she's not accommodating with minor niceties like that, she won't be any good anyway. In the room, I take a few shots, clothed, then in a towel. There's rarely much objection. I try to keep shooting into the naked stuff, but quite a few ( 60%) do object to it these days, and I stop.

Generally, I try to reassure them I'll respect their boundaries and keep the pictures to myself, but then it's bad to talk too much about to topic (don't want them thinking too much), better to just shoot. For the XXX stuff, promising not to take face shots can work sometime... much to my surprise, as I just took 20 fine portrait shots just a few minutes ago. I guess they just don't want it in the same picture.

A roughly 30% ratio for at least x-rated pics (nudity) is not too bad. Especially since softer stuff can work just fine for me for later masturbation purposes. I can get all the gaping vulvas and buttholes stuffed to the brim with dick on the Internet, thank you.

Also, I never offer tips in advance for any add-on services. While it works sometimes, it encourages the wrong mindset. However, I do tip afterwards when warranted. If the girl puts an honest effort to make me happy (increasingly rare these days, alas) , then I'll happily do the same for her.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1365195]Also, I never offer tips in advance for any add-on services. While it works sometimes, it encourages the wrong mindset. However, I do tip afterwards when warranted. If the girl puts an honest effort to make me happy (increasingly rare these days, alas) , then I'll happily do the same for her.[/QUOTE]If your girl does not want to take pictures:

As was posted earlier a slow approach is best. Get her used to you taking her picture. Keep telling her how pretty she is and how lucky you are to be with her. You want to save the memories. As you take the pictures get her involved by showing them to her.

Lastly, If all else fails and you can't get cooperation this is a last resort. I will give her the option of deleting any photo she doesn't like. And if you're tech savvy there are many free un-delete programs on the net. It's sneaky buy hey.

Swag.

Try the above bar. As you are standing at the entrance to Walking street, its about 3 shopfronts up on the left. Doesn't really kick off till after 10 or 11 pm but it fills with freelancers. Always done well there with girls for 1000 baht usually. Might be a an additional charge for Christmas time. But still a great value night with a happy ending.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=SwagMeOut; 1365095]Hey guys,

So my first time Thailand. First whoring trip too LOL. So I started in Bangkok and now I'm in Pattaya. I just wanted to know where I can get the best 'bang for my buck'. The gogo bars seem very expensive. 2000 baht for ST and 600 bar fine. Got it to 2, 150 all in. Another place girl said 1000 baht and 3 or 400 bar fine can't quite remember, but I wasn't so into her. I know there are freelancers to be had much cheaper, or even at massage parlours. Where can I find them? Too many police around beach road because of the Christmas festivities so I didn't see any working. Or maybe I am looking in the wrong place on beach road?

I know Bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. But I actually have found it better so far. If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. On a side note I'm really enjoying it out here in Thailand, it's crazy as hell![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1364790]Are you a Thai working in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Yes, you hit the target at the point of 12. Why else someone blame a farang every time, even the very same farang is right sometimes.

I can easily write many examples, but I just want to save you and me for our very expensive time. Just last example: I have been to Club Insomnia for about 4 hours ago. When I wanted to go to the WC, a security-guy stopped me (at the very entrance of the WC), just because there were 2 farangs who tried to argue about something inside of the WC. As I was outside of the WC-area, I could not hear what they were talking about. And I noticed, that there were at least 10 security-guys inside the area where you can wash your hands. (And I noticed, that in the course of no time, there have been double of amount of security guys around WC-area.) I said "OK, no problem" to the security-guy and waited. After about 5 minutes, the security-guy let me inside to the gentelmen-WC, and one of those farangs who tried to argue about something before, said loudly following sentence: "They want to fight with us!" I said to the guy (who was American) : "Never fight here, as they can beat you very cruely. Take it easy". Then the guy explained to me, that his friend injuried his feet, and as a result his friend was bleeding at his right feet. For stopping the blood coming from his feet, he used the little towel to press his feet. (All right, the little towel was not designed to the feet. But when you are bleeding, you don't think about those pettisseries, do you?) Then the WC-woman said something in Thai, and later "Fuck you!" to those guys. And those guys at the WC in Club Insomnia argued about, that it was not all right, that the WC-woman said "Fuck you" to them.

After listening to that guy, I said, that I understood him completely. But I advised him to ignore when he hear "Fuck you" from Thai people in Pattaya. I advised him to not say "Fuck you", because when he says "Fuck you" to a Thai in Pattaya, (well, actually it is the very same way some Thai people use it to against to farangs) those crazy Thai bastards could easily attack to the farang, just because the farang show his reaction as the same way, as those crazy Thai people in Pattaya do.

Once again: be aware of the very aggressive style of Thai people in Pattaya. Try to ignore them completely and enjoy your holiday. Some of those Thai bastards try to provoke you very much, but never ever react as they would do if they were at your place. Try to be a real Buddhaist, as those crazy Thai bastards are not Buddhaist at all.

Now, I know some dogs will bark to me and try to bide me, just because I advise my fellow mongerers how to avoid those crazy Thai people in Pattaya.

Regards.

Kim of Denmark

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather; 1365373]I can easily write many examples, but I just want to save you and me for our very expensive time. Just last example: I have been to Club Insomnia for about 4 hours ago. When I wanted to go to the WC, a security-guy stopped me, just because there were 2 farangs who tried to argue about something. As I was outside of the WC-area, I could not understand what they were argueing about. And I noticed, that there were at least 10 security-guys inside the area where you can wash your hands. (And I noticed, that in the course of no time, there have been double of amount of security guys around WC-area.) I said "OK, no problem" to the security-guy and waited. After about 5 minutes, the security-guy let me inside to the gentelmen-WC, and one of those farangs who tried to argue about something before, said loudly following sentence: "They want to fight with us!" I said to the guy (who was American) : "Never fight here, as they can beat you very cruely. Take it easy". Then the guy explained to me, that his friend injuried his feet, and as a result his friend was bleeding at his right feet. For stopping the blood coming from his feet, he used the little towel, just to press his feet. Then the WC-woman said something in Thai, and later "Fuck you!" to those guys. And those guys at the WC in Club Insomnia argued about, that it was not all right, that the WC-woman said "Fuck you" to them.

After listening to that guy, I said, that I understood him completely. But I advised him to ignore when he hear "Fuck you" from Thai people in Pattaya. I advised him to not say "Fuck you", because when he says "Fuck you" to a Thai in Pattaya, (well, actually it is the very same way some Thai people use it to against to farangs) those crazy Thai bastards could easily attack to the farang, just because the farang show his reaction as the same way, as those crazy Thai people in Pattaya do.

Once again: be aware of the very aggressive style of Thai people in Pattaya. Try to ignore them completely and enjoy your holiday.

Now, I know some dogs will bark to me and try to bide me, just because I advise my fellow mongerers how to avoid those crazy Thai people in Pattaya.

Regards.

Kim of Denmark[/QUOTE]Whatever. I have been to Pattaya many many times. I have never had a problem with a Thai man or a Thai woman. I have never been harasssed or confronted for any reason. I have never been ripped off.

You have several recent posts of your "issues" with Thai people.

Look in the mirror.

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I know Bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. But I actually have found it better so far. If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. On a side note I'm really enjoying it out here in Thailand, it's crazy as hell![/QUOTE]Soi 6 is place you're looking for then. Not the prettiest though. $30 is all you willing to spend? Damn, that's cost of a half tank of gas now days. If it's a holiday then you need to splurge a little. Think about how much it cost for you got get to LOS, hotels, transportation and food. Shouldn't go too cheap since you're on holiday.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1365055]Where are you from? I think you better check out what is available at your home country first.

If not, BOOTS have all the Gel Plays from Durex which do work well for me. KY has also never failed (ok, if pounding for a long time you may need to apply KY more than once)

As far as condoms go, I also would love to know about a place to buy them. I heard Seacon Square in BKK has a sex shop but never got to visit as it's out of the way.

True, it becomes increasingly difficult but you can arrange it with the girl beforehands to let you take pictures. SW will usually agree. Most girls will not be against it but may ask for money in return.

Be careful though, I think there is a lawsuit against a foreigner posting a pic of a girl on the web without her consent, she says he portrayed her in a derogatory manner. If he loses, it's bye bye Thailand forever and either money or Jail time. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.condomdepot.com/[/url]

[quote]If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know.[/quote]Beach Road 500 ST. 13/1 massage parlors 500 BBJCIM, Soi 6 700-1000 ST, beer bars 1000 LT.

Simon and Cros, great tips! Thanks. Glad to see I'm not the only one having issues with trying to get photos nowadays. So weird that sites like Submit Your Thai seem to be overflowing with very recent bargirl pics though.

I totally forgot about the memory programs that let you recover deleted images! Used them before and they work well. That's fucking genius. I'm probably too ethical (whatever that means) to do that though.

[QUOTE=Kim Wheather; 1365373]Once again: be aware of the very aggressive style of Thai people in Pattaya. Try to ignore them completely and enjoy your holiday. Some of those Thai bastards try to provoke you very much, but never ever react as they would do if they were at your place. Try to be a real Buddhaist, as those crazy Thai bastards are not Buddhaist at all.

Now, I know some dogs will bark to me and try to bide me, just because I advise my fellow mongerers how to avoid those crazy Thai people in Pattaya.

Regards.

Kim of Denmark[/QUOTE]True words. As long as mongers don't get drunk and show Thai people their 'finger fuck' then they shouldn't get their faces beaten with chairs. Genius!

Just arrived in Pattaya again. Fucking stalls are out in masse.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365018]Been to Thailand dozens of times, many adventures in Pattaya, still two things I haven't figured out and hope some seasoned mongers can help.

1. A reliable place to buy quality lube and condoms. Is there something better than the crap they sell at Seven 11 that I have been missing all this time?

2. How to get girls to let you take pictures nude and during sex in 2013. Used to be no problem, then hit or miss, now I find very few will be photographed at all. What's the deal? I especially want to photo some of the hard bodies with prime cups I pull out of the go gos. I know people are still taking pics, and lots of them. All the Thai porn sites and then the amateur submissions like "submit your Thai" are chock full. What are they doing? Huge tips or something?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I can't understand why anybody would not bring there own condoms from wherever they live in the western world, makes sense does it not?

[QUOTE=SwagMeOut; 1365095]Hey guys,

So my first time Thailand. First whoring trip too LOL. So I started in Bangkok and now I'm in Pattaya. I just wanted to know where I can get the best 'bang for my buck'. The gogo bars seem very expensive. 2000 baht for ST and 600 bar fine. Got it to 2, 150 all in. Another place girl said 1000 baht and 3 or 400 bar fine can't quite remember, but I wasn't so into her. I know there are freelancers to be had much cheaper, or even at massage parlours. Where can I find them? Too many police around beach road because of the Christmas festivities so I didn't see any working. Or maybe I am looking in the wrong place on beach road?

I know Bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. But I actually have found it better so far. If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. On a side note I'm really enjoying it out here in Thailand, it's crazy as hell![/QUOTE]If you couldn't find a girl on Beach Road your name must me Stevie Wonder. Try Soi 25 at Soi Buakow, or Soi Honey, plenty of wank places there.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1365482]True words. As long as mongers don't get drunk and show Thai people their 'finger fuck' then they shouldn't get their faces beaten with chairs. Genius!

Just arrived in Pattaya again. Fucking stalls are out in masse.[/QUOTE]And when the venders are working, the Coconut bar goes to shit!

Ok first of all forgive me for the spelling, punctuation errors, and for not putting this report in the proper essay format ect. I'm on my droid at work and have some free time and decided I will write a report to help out other newbies as some of your reports have helped me in the past. Got to give back. The whole 'cirlce mentality'. I will however keep some of the things and game that I've learned and some of the great spots and bars I found, that not so many people seem to know of, to myself. Hey thats why there so great. Not everybody knows LOL. And besides, finding some of these things out for yourself will only make your game stronger but don't worry I will inform you of the scams and hustles I encountered.

AIRLINES- I flew out of SFO on a Wednesday afternoon (west coast time) and didn't arrive in Bangkok until Friday morning (east coast time. Far East coast time.) I flew with Asiana and holy shit do they have some fine women stewardesses! All of them polite mostly Japanese and all tall! Talk about eye candy. Couldn't stop smiling and they knew it. Loved how they always bumb into me amd turned around with a smile and said sardy (sorry) as waited for the wink wink. Sigh. That did not happen. The food was tolorable and there were all the latest movies to watch and the plane was faily comfortable. Best flight I've been on yet. Cost was 1200usd. I booked 2 months in advance through expedia. I took the advice of a fellow monger who said to look at the flight as part of your vacation. As part of your voyage instead of looking at it like "Fuck thats a long ass flight how am I going to get through it". but fuck that was along ass flight! LOL. But the advice did kinda help and I didn't mind it. My layover was in korea and it was snowing so the flight was delayed but I was so damn excited and didn't mind bc I knew I came this far and was almost there. I just bumbed the latest hip hop in my headphones, bobbed my head to the music and waited. I emailed Micheal, who runs Dancewathers, that I'd be running late and to tell the taxi guy. He emailed back and assured me everything would be cool and my room and the cute check girl was waiting for me! I'm like "Yes!". Well the flight was hella late due to the fact it was snowing fuckin softball outside. So 8 hours later I arrived to BKK and was feeling like k was on top of the world until I ran into my first scam. After a quick pass through customs and 2 minute wait for my bags I walk out looking for Gate 3.

Which is where I'm suppose to meet the taxi guy with my name on it. I see a limo / taxi stand Right by the luggage courosel and smiled at her and she smiled back and ask if I needed a ride. No thanks but ah where is gate 3? Right out front just walk through the doors she said and pointed. Ok cool thanks. So I walk out and see a crowd of people with signs but NONE with MY name on it. Damn. Ok well maybe I'm not at gate three. I ask the lady at the some tour booth is this gate three? She smiled, reveiling a crooked smile and a gold tooth and said Yaaesss. The gold tooth shoulda been my first clue she was a hustler. LOL. Then she says. Do you need a taxi? No thanks I'm waiting for my driver hes suplose to meet me at gate 3? But maybe if he doesn't come. Ok she says and walks away. Fuck. Now I don't have my thai phone yet and calling micheal will cost a fortune! (no I didn't think to text. Anxiety had took over) ok don't panic. Theres a payfone! Now either my dumb ass couldn't figure out how the fone works or it just didn't work! I walk back to where I think is gate three and here's the same lady. With a slick ass grin. So no driver she says? No not yet. I walk back and fourth looking at the 20 plus people with signs but none with My name. I then ask another worker. Is this gate 3. They say "yes" right here is 3. No driver fuck it so I call micheal and one of his workers picks up and can barely understand my english and with bad connection but she tells me hes there just look for him. Nooooo hes not here but ok. For 20 minutes I wait. Look. Nothing. I'm getting frustrated and here come gold tooth hustla lady. I can get a taxi for you. Ok how much. 3000 bht! WTF! No thanks. Ok how about 2500 bht? Actually she doesn't say the amount she has a calculator and punches in the numbers and shows me. (which almost everybody whos tryna sell you somthin does) No thanks. Anyway. I another worker is this gate three they say yes you need taxi? Ok how much. 2200 bht! Fuck you. So I take a breth and walk further down about a 100 feet or so and guess what. Another 20 people with signs and one has my name on! Gate 3! LOL. My dumb ass was at gate 5 and they all knew it but was tryna get me to take their taxi. Finally on to Pattaya.

Sorry bros but got to finish some things at work. Didn't think it take this long but fuck it. If I'm going to write a report I guess ill be thourough. I'll continue tomorrow. Peace

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365437]Simon and Cros, great tips! Thanks. Glad to see I'm not the only one having issues with trying to get photos nowadays. So weird that sites like Submit Your Thai seem to be overflowing with very recent bargirl pics though.

I totally forgot about the memory programs that let you recover deleted images! Used them before and they work well. That's fucking genius. I'm probably too ethical (whatever that means) to do that though.[/QUOTE]Define ethical. I'm wondering if your priest, rabbi, or whatever would look at our behavior in mongering as ethical. Strong argument both ways but if we look at societal norms in our country (assume you are US citizen) we might come up a little short of ethical. .

As Michael Vick would say: "It's a dog eat dog world.".

Ethics are by nature personal features, so it's not really something that can be meaningfully debated.

If the exchange of a service for money is unethical than the entire underpinnings of the world economy are unethical (and TBH, I'm not sure they're aren't).

I can justify a fair exchange based on mutual consent. I'm not religious and I don't sex is any different than any other human activity.

Harmful dishonesty is something else all together. Lying and cheating are not things I'm prepared to do. I wouldn't tell someone this picture no longer exists and then when they leave restore it and spread it around. That's pretty slimy in my opinion. That's the same reason I would never hide a camera and record an intimate act.

What you do is up to you and no one else.

Everyone walks their own path.

[QUOTE=How14;1365508]I can't understand why anybody would not bring there own condoms from wherever they live in the western world, makes sense does it not?[/QUOTE]Makes sense.

Also makes sense to RTFF and see my follow up post where I said that this would not be an option. I'm not going to go too into detail about my work, but let's say what I pack from home will be viewed by others that I am traveling with on business. So bringing condoms from home it not possible this time around.

Now what REALLY doesn't make sense is the lack of sex shops and accessories in Pattaya. I know, I know. We have to protect the image of the great nation, we are conservative here, etc. We'll all just ignore those 30,000 hookers out working every night. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1365602]and spread it around.

What you do is up to you and no one else.

Everyone walks their own path.[/QUOTE]I think key here is "spread it around." Justification on my part maybe, but I think that's usually the girls concern. And you're right ethics are a personal thing. I would never call you slimy because you like little boys. I would just say Rick likes little boys. Some may feel that unethical but I say to each his own. What was that about casting the first stone?

You like a good argument don't you? Sure seem to do a lot of it. I prefer a happier existence. I try not to tell others what to do. I might suggest but in the end we're all free me. I sleep well at night knowing that I have not hurt anyone in this world or pushed my belief structure on anyone.

Slimey? GFYS

[quote=swagmeout; 1365095]hey guys,

so my first time thailand. first whoring trip too lol. so i started in bangkok and now i'm in pattaya. i just wanted to know where i can get the best 'bang for my buck'. the gogo bars seem very expensive. 2000 baht for st and 600 bar fine. got it to 2, 150 all in. another place girl said 1000 baht and 3 or 400 bar fine can't quite remember, but i wasn't so into her. i know there are freelancers to be had much cheaper, or even at massage parlours. where can i find them? too many police around beach road because of the christmas festivities so i didn't see any working. or maybe i am looking in the wrong place on beach road?

i know bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. but i actually have found it better so far. if anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. on a side note i'm really enjoying it out here in thailand, it's crazy as hell![/quote]i think they may be around br in between the stalls or on the other side of the road perched on their motos.

i've also pulled girls from the fringes of walking st for 800-1000 but ymmv.

soi 6 will set you back 700 for the girl and 300 for the room. don't ask how much or attempt to negotiate or they will smell a newb. rock on in give 300 to the mamasan and head up to the room with your girl and hand her 700 after the deed.

there are also bj bar around - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (not recommended) and bliss (recommended) plus a few others which may upgrade to full service. base cost is 700.

maybe try pattaya beer garden or the freelance place by the foot of walking street for budget possibilities. i've never pulled there either.

if you're going back to bkk try dr bj budget bangers. apparently it 1000 for full service but i've never tried it.

your price point outs you at a disadvantage for the gogos so good luck. don't let your fiscal contraints get in the way of having a good time though.

btw if you're on a substantial budget why did you chose 'swagmeout' as your user name? irony?

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[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1365648]I think they may be around BR in between the stalls or on the other side of the road perched on their motos.

I've also pulled girls from the fringes of Walking st for 800-1000 but YMMV.[/QUOTE]Ever since the vender stalls went up, the girls seemed to disappear. I did not see any between the stalls or across the street.

I pulled a couple out of Bamboo (both for 1000) and one out of WS disco, but I dumped her after about an hour, she was to wasted.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1365538]And when the venders are working, the Coconut bar goes to shit![/QUOTE]When do they take it down?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1365655]Ever since the vender stalls went up, the girls seemed to disappear. I did not see any between the stalls or across the street.

I pulled a couple out of Bamboo (both for 1000) and one out of WS disco, but I dumped her after about an hour, she was to wasted.[/QUOTE]Will recon tonight and report back.

[QUOTE=Mauldid;1365415]I know Bangkok is supposed to be more expensive. But I actually have found it better so far. If anyone knows where girls can be had for 1000 baht or less please let me know. On a side note I'm really enjoying it out here in Thailand, it's crazy as hell![/QUOTE]Soi 6 is place you're looking for then. Not the prettiest though. $30 is all you willing to spend? Damn, that's cost of a half tank of gas now days. If it's a holiday then you need to splurge a little. Think about how much it cost for you got get to LOS, hotels, transportation and food. Shouldn't go too cheap since you're on holiday.[/QUOTE]I see what you're saying. Unfortunately, I booked more days than can fit that budget. I could be mad at myself for it, or I can stick to my budget and have fun. 1500baht I can do, hell I could do 2, 500. But then I would not eat for a day and stay indoors bored after I had some ass. 1000 baht gives me a lot of room. Plus I had this cutie for 700 baht last night. I think it can be done. But I will try soi 6. I'm in Pattaya now so that will have to be when I go back Bangkok.

[QUOTE=How14;1365509]If you couldn't find a girl on Beach Road your name must me Stevie Wonder. Try Soi 25 at Soi Buakow, or Soi Honey, plenty of wank places there.[/QUOTE]The ones I saw on beach road were unfuckable. Like I said, my first time in Thailand, I'm not even sure I was on the right part. I was by the pier.

[quote=pointy stick; 1365648]i think they may be around br in between the stalls or on the other side of the road perched on their motos.

i've also pulled girls from the fringes of walking st for 800-1000 but ymmv.

soi 6 will set you back 700 for the girl and 300 for the room. don't ask how much or attempt to negotiate or they will smell a newb. rock on in give 300 to the mamasan and head up to the room with your girl and hand her 700 after the deed.

there are also bj bar around. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (not recommended) and bliss (recommended) plus a few others which may upgrade to full service. base cost is 700.

maybe try pattaya beer garden or the freelance place by the foot of walking street for budget possibilities. i've never pulled there either.

if you're going back to bkk try dr bj budget bangers. apparently it 1000 for full service but i've never tried it.

your price point outs you at a disadvantage for the gogos so good luck. don't let your fiscal contraints get in the way of having a good time though.

btw if you're on a substantial budget why did you chose 'swagmeout' as your user name? irony?[/quote]what would you gain from me answering this question? i won't feel offended or insulted, we are on the net. if you must know, i brought a certain amount of money with me and didn't take my card, miscalculation on my part. the name is just a name i made it up ages ago. my bad next time i sign up to a forum to share and read / research advice to have me a good time mongering i will think very very carefully about my username as it may come back to haunt me lol geeez.

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[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365608]I'm not going to go too into detail about my work, but let's say what I pack from home will be viewed by others that I am traveling with on business. So bringing condoms from home it not possible this time around.[/QUOTE]I hope they pay you enough wherever you work. It must be terrible to have no privacy, even (or especially) on a business trip.

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[QUOTE=How14;1365508]I can't understand why anybody would not bring there own condoms from wherever they live in the western world, makes sense does it not?[/QUOTE]Many airlines have a very low limit on how much luggage you can take with you.

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[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1365733]Likes like I'll be frequenting Soi 6 on a regular basis for the reminder of my holiday.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 has also been my solution in the last 3 days. However, I could also find some BR-women just opposite to Mike's. Try to go behind the stalls, and go up on the steps. ("Seek and you will find!" was written in Old Testament.) Or if you are not claustrophobic to walk between stalls, try to walk and look at the women too. Some BR-women walk and try to find their customers while walking.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1365655]Ever since the vender stalls went up, the girls seemed to disappear. I did not see any between the stalls or across the street.

I pulled a couple out of Bamboo (both for 1000) and one out of WS disco, but I dumped her after about an hour, she was to wasted.[/QUOTE]I hate those f-ing things. Don't they know we are there to monger, not buy a 10B toy.

It happened to me last month.

You can still find them at the mall where KFC, McD's, and Burger King is. (near the back of the Marriott).

Also, on the beach side farther north where there is the outside cement amphitheater.

I found a winner though and kept her for 2 days.

Amazing Pattaya.

Seen 2 times a good looking farang couple in town (soi buakhao and soi 6) , the blonde is attractive around 25/30 probably.

One time I saw her kiss a thai girl in bar.

She (they) look hot.

All infos welcome.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1365729]I hope they pay you enough wherever you work. It must be terrible to have no privacy, even (or especially) on a business trip.[/QUOTE]I always buy bags with lots of secret pockets. Can secrete all sorts of things from view there with no one the wiser.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1365070]As always bring your own condoms. I stock up on Magnums from Walmart when I am in the States and when I get home to Pattaya I dump them in my sex drawer.

Durex "Easy On" are available locally and are actually larger in diameter (56 vs 54mm) at the base than Magnums, same diameter as Magnum XLs (though not as large at the head). They come in a blue packet (see pic) and are the best local option I've found. For me the absolute best for fit & sensitivity are Magnum thins.

Most condoms list the (unstretched) diameter in the lower right hand corner of the back of the box.

As a point of trivia, Durex's XXL is the world's largest condom. 65mm width at the head. 228mm (9. 5") in length. Condoms are designed to stretch, so 9. 5 inches is supposed to fit 10-12 inches comfortably.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1365809]I hate those f-ing things. Don't they know we are there to monger, not buy a 10B toy.

It happened to me last month.

You can still find them at the mall where KFC, McD's, and Burger King is. (near the back of the Marriott).

Also, on the beach side farther north where there is the outside cement amphitheater.

I found a winner though and kept her for 2 days.[/QUOTE]Make way for Russian, Chinese and Korean family tourism. That's the future of Pattaya. They don't want or need mongers anymore. The real fun will continue to be moved back to places like LK Metro until the day finally comes when it's as bad as Rio.

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I inadvertently posted this to the Bangkok board yesterday; it was meant for this forum.

I was here as a (too) young man 22 years ago. The baht / USD exchange rate was around 25/1. On my first night I paid 1000 baht ST for a gorgeous Laotian beauty from a club named Baby Face (or something like that). The following day I met a 21 why / o cutie with a great personality in an outdoor beer bar. We ended up spending the next 3 days together for which I gave her 3k. I recall that Beach Road girls were getting 300-400 baht for ST at the time.

Compare that to real estate, food, fuel, or even hotel prices (which are also still quite reasonable). Very few commodities have inflated less than P4P. Adjusting for Thailand's average inflation rate of around 3% per anum, P4P is actually cheaper here than 20 yrs ago.

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[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1364371]Thank you for the message of support. I did feel justified in reporting his post, something I have never done before and it would appear he has paid the price.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]And what price is that? Asda price?

Just came back from your Salon and my my we have been a busy little beaver indeed. Took a little girl called Cream. What a great job she did of sucking me off,

Good job I know her good mother Pim of Soi 8 fame. WOW what a double act that would be, like mother like daughter.

Tight little fanny and great little nibbles. A tad rough on the HJ but. 18 she says, but you never do know eh. Anyway gave her a great mouthful of Christmas cum and she loved it. Good thing about her is she swallows the lot, great training from Pim.

Regards.

Walmart

Have any of you guys heard of a girl called Jai?

She works at a bar called Sunset on Soi Bukow PM me if you have her number.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365928]Make way for Russian, Chinese and Korean family tourism. That's the future of Pattaya. They don't want or need mongers anymore. The real fun will continue to be moved back to places like LK Metro until the day finally comes when it's as bad as Rio.[/QUOTE]True, Walking Street is a bit of a circus now. Don't know what you have against Rio though. Rio is a blast if you know where to go and what you are doing (it helps if you are willing / able to spend a fair amount of cash).

DSK

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365928]Make way for Russian, Chinese and Korean family tourism. That's the future of Pattaya. They don't want or need mongers anymore. The real fun will continue to be moved back to places like LK Metro until the day finally comes when it's as bad as Rio.[/QUOTE]I think you might be right.

I don't get it. The beach is 20 wide, stinks, and is dirty. The buses start dropping off the groups as early as 7am some days.

Pattaya has to be one of the worst beaches I have seen for a tourist destination.

Then they take their families to WS in the evening and go to those rip off seafood places.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1366208]Pattaya has to be one of the worst beaches I have seen for a tourist destination.[/QUOTE]Have you been to the Black Sea? I think it is worse.

I spent a few days in Pattaya in late October. It was good. There were still the crazy family tourists, but not many. I could walk down Walking Street at a normal pace. It did not feel crowded. The popular Go Go's had customers, but there were plenty of girls to go around. The Beer Bars were hurting. I will be back in March. I expect it to be a crazy scene. I am thinking maybe from now on I should travel in late September / October / November, avoid the crowds, and bring an umbrella.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1366210]Have you been to the Black Sea? I think it is worse.

I spent a few days in Pattaya in late October. It was good. There were still the crazy family tourists, but not many. I could walk down Walking Street at a normal pace. It did not feel crowded. The popular Go Go's had customers, but there were plenty of girls to go around. The Beer Bars were hurting. I will be back in March. I expect it to be a crazy scene. I am thinking maybe from now on I should travel in late September / October / November, avoid the crowds, and bring an umbrella.[/QUOTE]No, and I hope to never go.

I still like Pattaya. I just don't go to the beach.

Beware of Loy Kratong in November. The place was a fricken zoo.

I have to agree on your comment on being there over Loy Kratong. I was there for a month covering that holiday and it was a mess. A real mess. The "International" fire works contest out of that barge in front of Central Plaza was good. I had the advantage of staying in VT-6 with a young thing and enjoyed it from the balcony.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1366263]No, and I hope to never go.

I still like Pattaya. I just don't go to the beach.

Beware of Loy Kratong in November. The place was a fricken zoo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1365734]Many airlines have a very low limit on how much luggage you can take with you.[/QUOTE]Fill your pockets, then!

[QUOTE=Intlluv;1365561]I flew with Asiana and holy shit do they have some fine women stewardesses! All of them polite mostly Japanese and all tall!. Peace[/QUOTE]We believe your report will be detailed as this one so we are curious to see what happened. Being Asiana a Korean airlines, the hostesses are Korean, not Japanese. This is also why you noticed them being tall.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1365928]Make way for Russian, Chinese and Korean family tourism. That's the future of Pattaya. They don't want or need mongers anymore. The real fun will continue to be moved back to places like LK Metro until the day finally comes when it's as bad as Rio.[/QUOTE]You're completely right, when you write about that they want to make Pattaya for family tourism. However, they do still want and need mongers. Not on Beach Road, but on expensive bars and A-go-go-bars. They made many razzias against freelancers on Beach Road during last couple of weeks. As they get their bribes from bars and A-go-go-bars, they do not touch those establishments. They try to push Beach Road freelancers and customers to expensive bars and A-go-go bars. In the long term, I am not sure Coconut Bar will survive those intensive pressures from authorities.

Guys, a short question. If I take a girl from a bar I pay the bar fine plus whatever I give her. That's fine. If I decide to keep her an extra day or two do I have to pay the bar fine as well as what I give her for each subsequent day / night.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Loxfun; 1366479]Guys, a short question. If I take a girl from a bar I pay the bar fine plus whatever I give her. That's fine. If I decide to keep her an extra day or two do I have to pay the bar fine as well as what I give her for each subsequent day / night.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes, BF goes by the day / night till the start of her next shift, when you have to barfine again.

Three days = three BF's

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1366285]We believe your report will be detailed as this one so we are curious to see what happened. Being Asiana a Korean airlines, the hostesses are Korean, not Japanese. This is also why you noticed them being tall.[/QUOTE]HAHA. Korean women also seem to have bigger asses from my experience. That is a good thing.

[QUOTE=Loxfun; 1366479]Guys, a short question. If I take a girl from a bar I pay the bar fine plus whatever I give her. That's fine. If I decide to keep her an extra day or two do I have to pay the bar fine as well as what I give her for each subsequent day / night.[/QUOTE]

It depends on the girl and how much she likes you or wants to go with you. Negotiate with the girl, some girls will go with you and pay their own BF if you pay them enough or you could catch her close to her (next) day off so no BF would be needed for that day. If you take her for three consecutive nights you should get a better overall rate of the BF and her fee than if you took her out on three separate nights.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1366531]It depends on the girl and how much she likes you or wants to go with you. Negotiate with the girl, some girls will go with you and pay their own BF if you pay them enough or you could catch her close to her (next) day off so no BF would be needed for that day. If you take her for three consecutive nights you should get a better overall rate of the BF and her fee than if you took her out on three separate nights.[/QUOTE]I have only BF girls from MP and Soi 6.

I have never been able to reduce the BF for multiple days.

But you are right about the girls for longer periods. You can usually negotiate.

Something.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1366561]I have only BF girls from MP and Soi 6.I have never been able to reduce the BF for multiple days.But you are right about the girls for longer periods. You can usually negotiate.Something.[/QUOTE]I agree, BF is what it is, can't deal with it. The girl fee is negotiable, as always. Obviously the longer, the cheaper.

The comment that the girl will pay her own BF is fictious, since it means she will take it off her fee or include it. In that case the customer doesn't win much.

In few cases, when the girl has not reached yet her monthly quota of BF she might discount it from her fee not to pay a penalty for lack of sufficient BF's (this also proves that BF is an important ingredient in the bar revenues)

I found this girl on thaifriendly.

She immediaty asked 1000 TBTH to come over and I thought she had nice breast.

She's fat indeed but all s firm, totaly and perfectly shaved, large pussy where 4 fingers are comfortable and she takes all the ways

And best she doesn't really speacks english, I thing she translate online or on her mobile, but in reallity she's perfect : she just shutt up!

Contact me pm for her link to thaifriendly and her phone number.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1366694]I agree, BF is what it is, can't deal with it. The girl fee is negotiable, as always. Obviously the longer, the cheaper.

The comment that the girl will pay her own BF is fictious, since it means she will take it off her fee or include it. In that case the customer doesn't win much.

In few cases, when the girl has not reached yet her monthly quota of BF she might discount it from her fee not to pay a penalty for lack of sufficient BF's (this also proves that BF is an important ingredient in the bar revenues) [/QUOTE]My sweetie from Baby Dolls will have a friend pay bar fine if she stays with me for an extra day or two then I give her the money to cover it. That way we can stay in Jomtien and not fight traffic on way to bar. She told me last week the rules have changed for the holidays and we must show up at bar to pay bar fine.

[QUOTE=Bab Com; 1366697]I found this girl on thaifriendly.

She immediaty asked 1000 TBTH to come over and I thought she had nice breast.

She's fat indeed but all s firm, totaly and perfectly shaved, large pussy where 4 fingers are comfortable and she takes all the ways

And best she doesn't really speacks english, I thing she translate online or on her mobile, but in reallity she's perfect : she just shutt up!

Contact me pm for her link to thaifriendly and her phone number.[/QUOTE]HMM. That tattoo looks familiar. HAHA.

That is nice of you to share.

There are many P4P on the dating sites. I have been with a few, much mostly stick to the professional types with cars and decent jobs.

Pattaya seems to have a greater number of pay girls, but that figures.

I have just made all of my bookings for my trip to LOS in February and it looks like I am going to be in Pattaya on a Sunday.

Does anyone have an idea of where the best hotel (or restaurant) Sunday brunch can be found in Pattaya?

Cheers and thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11; 1367124]I have just made all of my bookings for my trip to LOS in February and it looks like I am going to be in Pattaya on a Sunday.

Does anyone have an idea of where the best hotel (or restaurant) Sunday brunch can be found in Pattaya?

Cheers and thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for ST action along with your lunch then I would recommend Kinnaree in Jontiem. The food is good without being exceptional, the ST rooms are very good value. If you spend 500+ baht the meal is free. The girls charge 1000 for 1 hour. Get there around 3:30 pm. There will be about 50 girls to choose from. If you are after good food and no emphasis on ST action then this place will not be suitable. Personally I enjoy spending a Sunday afternoon there and comparing it to watching football / soccer on a Sunday in some bar filled with guys when I'm in London.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11; 1367124]I have just made all of my bookings for my trip to LOS in February and it looks like I am going to be in Pattaya on a Sunday.

Does anyone have an idea of where the best hotel (or restaurant) Sunday brunch can be found in Pattaya?

Cheers and thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]In your own hotel and brought by a hot little spinner who brunches on your meat. ;)

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1367124]Does anyone have an idea of where the best hotel (or restaurant) Sunday brunch can be found in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]The Sunday brunch at the Hilton is nice. They also have a lunch buffet the rest of the week, with a different theme daily. A little more expensive than the Lek Hotel and other places of that ilk. But nice if you're looking for a treat.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1367842]The Sunday brunch at the Hilton is nice. They also have a lunch buffet the rest of the week, with a different theme daily. A little more expensive than the Lek Hotel and other places of that ilk. But nice if you're looking for a treat.

Bunky[/QUOTE]The Marriott.

[QUOTE=OsakaGin11; 1367124]I have just made all of my bookings for my trip to LOS in February and it looks like I am going to be in Pattaya on a Sunday.

Does anyone have an idea of where the best hotel (or restaurant) Sunday brunch can be found in Pattaya?

Cheers and thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The Lek Hotel food sits around for hours, maybe some from the night before. People reach in with their filthy fingers. Never again. I got sick.

Ok so ill continue with my report. I took a few days off bc I was busy. I will try to make this detailed but to the point. Sorry if my last post dragged on. And yes my bad bionicM. They were KOREAN. And there was also a cute little filippina to. (she wore her flag on her vest) anyways ok.

So I arrive in Pattaya Friday morning.

HOTELS- I booked through dancewatchers months in advance and booked a condo at View Talay 2. MISTAKE. I didn't do my research and finally when I did I realized that VT2 was Wayyy out the way in jomtien. BUT I did notice that they also manage some condos at View Talay 6! Which is an EXCELLENT location imo. I asked if she had rooms available there instead. I had already sent my deposit, which is required before the reserve your room, and was hoping they would say yes. And they did! I also paid for the red rose option which imo was NOT worth it. At least not worth it if you are staying for only a few days like I was. The red rose option was 5000bht! And all I got was a cell phone that ran out of credits the first day and the cleaning service. I never met micheal while in Pattaya but we talked on the phone. Micheal IS dancewatcher. He was a real nice guy and was willing to give me all the advice I needed which was great.

The condo was AWESOME. For 2200 bht a night it was a bargain to me. For that in San Francisco I woulda paid 5 times as much! Nice view, nice bed, mirrors, nice shower. Beer and drinks in the fridge and a fresh fruit basket. All included in the red rose option. Forgot to mention that.

The location was perfect for a newbie like me. For all of you who never have been to Pattaya, transportation is everywhere. One of the main forms of transportation is the BAHT BUS. They are SUPPOSE to be 10 baht ONLY. Some will ask for more and can be some complete dicks. Out of principle I will just fuckin walk instead of pay them more to go along the same route there driving anyway. NOW if you hire the driver to drive outside of his regular route then Sure by all means negociate a price thats fair. There regular is like a circle which goes allll the way down 2nd road and then veers to the left up beach road and before beach Road turns into walking street it turns left and then left again down 2nd Road again. A big ass circle. Sometimes they will drive different route and make unexpected turns so Watch out for that or youll be lost.

VT6 is located on 2nd road. BUT they have a private walkway and entrance on beach road too! Perfect for me. If I want to hit the massage parlours or soi 6, 7.8 or soi diana (which is where you get off to walk a couple blocks to lk area-my favorite go gos). HINT. Theres a gogo on 2nd road that is hidden. Looks like a regular bar from the outside but when you walk in the back HOLY SHIT its a VoGo. With alot of stunners and not crowded bc not many people know of it? ? Won't give the location tho. Sorry. My buddy told me not to tell anybody so I won't. LOL.

Also from VT6 if I want to go to walking street or beach road I just walk out of the rear entrance and whalla. I'm there. Hop on a bht bus to walking street bc its too far to walk in that heat. At least for me. Also there is a 7-11 and a currency exchange RIGHT by the entrance.

I also stayed at another hotel for the last 8 days of the trip which I will describe later.

SOI 6. I got lost tryna find this street! Its not like regular blocks like back home. Nope. I was on the baht bus and saw soi 7 and hit the buzzer thinking its close by. WRONG! Soi 6 is way the fuck down the street (2nd Road). So if on baht bus its best to wait until you see Soi 6/1 and then hit the buzzer and get off. And when you get off while drunk and if your tall, do it with caution, I hit the back of my head and it huet like hell! I still have a scarfrom it! Oh well. One of my Pattaya war wounds. Also don't go to soi 6 hella early like I did. I dropped my shit off in the ro and downed some beers and hit the ground running! It was 10-11? And it was kinda dead. But I did find one that was acceptable and walked inside her bar. She was darker skinned but had a nice ass and nice tits and she was stroking my junk through my shorts and I was ready to bust my first load. PRICE was 1000 baht st and 250 for the room. I also bought her a 100 bht lady drink and off went. Now the room was not for the light hearted! It was gross. Third world style at its finest. No hot water and the bed looked suspect but Fuck it. LOL. And she was hott naked anyway so it was all good. Annnnd there was a mirror by the bed which was great. She bbjd and rode the shit out of me and busted fairly qjick bc j was holdin it for some days. SIDE NOTE. I did abstain from sex before the trip BUT not from alchol. I drunk like a fish a couple weeks before my trip to build up tolorence and this worked great! LOL! I didn't want to be shit faced in the streets of Thailand and because I built up my tolorence I was never out cold drunk even though I drunk all day damn near. Tequila shots and all. With water and food breaks of course. Haha. If you don't drink then ok whateva. Do what you do. But I saw multiple assholes drunk off there ass stumbling in the streets.

Soi 6 doesn't start jumping until like 3? I think. My second time there it was about 3-4 and there were like 70-100 chicks on that street as apposed to my first visit at 10-11 am when there was like 15-20.

Soi7 and Soi8 are pretty much the same. Theres some beer bars and some not so great go gos but as always there are diamonds in the ruff EVERYWHERE in Thailand. Soi 6, 7.8 are primarily ST places. And the prices are 1000bht for service amd 200-300 bht for room. These were at the closed bars. I never bf a girl from the open air bars there so don't know the prices or where you take them. All the bars j went to had rooms upstairs. There is also a go go on Soi 7 with ST rooms upstairs too. Forgot the name but its in the middle of the soi and the talent wasnt that great. Soi 7and 8 have alot of ladyboys and my advice is just look the other way and keep walking. When you see them don't even smile

Nd look the other way. I give a small look of disgust and keep walking and they NEVER fucked with me. Now maybe that sounds mean amd such but thats not my thing. And they are human too. But fuck. They should have their own separate area. Anyway thats another discussion.

If you want a quick nut. Go to Soi 6 and find a diamond in the ruff. Although it can be overwhelming.

So on my fist day I hit soi 6 came back to the room to take a shit. Rested woke up and took another one. My advice is when you fly to LOS from the states is to USE THE RESTROOM ON THE PLANE! I didn't bc I was kinda embarrased bc the plane was packed. I held it until the end of my flight and it was a mistake bc I became constipated and it all came out when I hit Thailand. So bros just say fuck it and let the airplane passengers have it. LOL. And really the ventalation system is pretty good anyway so its not that bad.

So by evening time it was time to finally hit up the famous walking street!

If you guys want to hear more ill continue in a couple days.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1366285]We believe your report will be detailed as this one so we are curious to see what happened. Being Asiana a Korean airlines, the hostesses are Korean, not Japanese. This is also why you noticed them being tall.[/QUOTE]Yes you are right. My mistake. They were korean. I don't know why I said japanese. Maybe because I was reading a trip report on japan right before I wrote it. Anyways. Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Intlluv;1368779]The location was perfect for a newbie like me. For all of you who never have been to Pattaya, transportation is everywhere. One of the main forms of transportation is the BAHT BUS. They are SUPPOSE to be 10 baht ONLY. Some will ask for more and can be some complete dicks.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report!

Yes, the Baht Bus is 10 baht. Never get into an empty one, those are the ones that want to charge you more for going in the same location. My buddy and I asked one driver (empty bus) how much it was from Soi 13/3 to Soi 6 and the bastard told us 200 baht. We just waited until the next one with passengers came around and we paid 10 baht each.

Logistics:

I flew EVA for the second time, an airline based out of Taipei. The fare was $1700 and change. The lay-overs in Taipei were less than two hours. I thought the service was excellent and had no issues with the carry-ons like I did with China Air. The planes seemed to have a bit more leg room as well, or maybe I'm just getting shorter in my old age. The only complaint I had was the food; I thought it basically sucked. I guess if I want good food, I will have to fly Thai Airways again. The head winds were terrible and it took 15. 5 hours to get from LAX to Taipei, but we got back in 10. 5 hours.

From BKK to Pattaya I used Mr. Keak taxi service again for 1000 baht (including tolls) , and on the return, it was 900 baht. The return trip price did go up to 1000, but he gave the old price because I was a return customer. Both drivers were professional and on time, and they both blew down the highway; both trips were quick!

Money:

I cashed in just enough at the airport to set-up my phone, buy adult beverages for the trip, and pay the driver. The rate was just over 29. 01 to 1 at the airport. In Pattaya, I was cashing in new crisps 100s and 50s, and got up to 30. 48 to 1 on several different days.

On the way to Pattaya, I started dialing for dollars and wasn't too pleased with the results. All of my calls; they were back home or the numbers were not in service. No worries, after all, I was headed for Pattaya.

Day 1.

After checking in and being reunited with the staff, I headed over to Sin Bin for food and drinks. That was home plate once again. The place stays open 24 hours so it is easy to stumble into after a hard night of mongering. I walked across to the massage place,"The Best." I looked for my "Happy Ending" girl, she was no longer working. I told Mama that this was quite the dilemma, but she reassured me that things would be alright. She introduced me to one of her special ladies and off we went to work off the jet lag and to reduce some stress. Even though it was high season, it did not seem like the massage place had much business throughout my stay.

Headed out later and yep, it was high season. Tons of families? WTF? Here is an idea, visit one of the many Disneyland Parks for a family vacation; there will be a lot less debauchery going on there to boot.

Relax: Mamasan Miki was no longer there. In fact, one of the strippers was dressed up and playing the Mamasan role; another WTF? I heard later on that Miki was not allowed in country any longer because she owed the Thais a lot of money. Not sure if that was true or not.

X-Zone: The place went to hell in a handbag. Although, I did stop in there on a different day and my running mate, Vic, he barfined a hostess and he was quite happy with her.

Champion: Mamasan Sue was still running the place, but her inventory of stunners has been reduced significantly. But it's always good to chat with her anyway.

Pe Pe: New club across from Relax. It was very busy and had a good selection of hotties. I quickly found Mamasan and made friends; I knew I would return to the place for sure.

Iron: I still think this place has some of the hottest girls in Pattaya. I was chatting with one and she told me that she was off tomorrow, so I got her phone number and moved on.

So with my jet lag and my vodka goggles in tack, I strolled into Walking Street disco to check out the talent. I started talking to what seemed like a younger not so big of a cutie. She was quite nice, so I decided to take her home. Once outside the club, she seemed older and bigger; damn that lighting in the club. I was tried and a tad tipsy, so off we went to Sin Bin for a nightcap, as if I needed one. She was wearing spandex pants and I keep thinking that she needed a side mirror warning in print on her ass. Something like,"Ass in spandex is larger than it appears."

Once I got her in the room, she kind of freaked out, but in a good way. She walked around, looked at the dance pole, mirrors, sex swing, and jacuzzi, then she had this naughty look in her eyes. She said,"This loom is for bad girls, so I want to be a real bad girl tonight." Works for me! I opened my bottle of Corralejo and we started doing shots. Here we go! I did not let her on the sex swing because I wasn't sure if it had been weight tested and I didn't want any accidents, at least not on the first night. She was a freak in the jacuzzi and in the bed. She wanted her ass slapped / fucked and nipples bit, and I did my best to accommodate her. I had my first sleep over!

Day 2.

Didn't get up until 4 or 5 in the afternoon. Stopped in Sin Bin for some chow. Ran into Ian and he unleashed on my ass. He yelled at me,"Why in the fuck did you bring your Mom into my bar last night!" I didn't realized she looked that old and told him that I would never do it again and I would redeem myself in the near future. Irish Vic was staying at Sin Bin and we became pretty good running mates.

I called the stunner I met at Iron and she was at Sin Bin within 45 minutes. We were having a drink and Ian come over and said,"Now that's the kind of girl I'm used to seeing you with, you are forgiven my son." The stunner stayed and played for about 5 hours. She had a blast in the jacuzzi and we even played in the underground (no rules) pool; I liked her, but I did miss my freaky Mom.

Picked up Vic and we headed for Babydolls. The talent in there did seem to go downhill a bit as well. When Mamasan the and Sue ran the place, it was hopping with hotties. We headed over to Iron. We sat at the back stage and glazed at all of the stunners for what seem like hours. Vic had his eye on some outdoor bar girl the previous night, so we went back and fetched her. I was too worn out for any more company. Damn, I should have gotten Mom's phone number!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1369059]The stunner stayed and played for about 5 hours.

Nice rack. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1353436]I don't know where you went bro. Are you sure you went to the taxi stand downstairs where it says ground transportation and not one of the booths inside? Or maybe on one of the upper levels? .[/QUOTE]SUV. Taxi to Pattaya. Yes upstairs ask Bt1500, so ground level it is.

[QUOTE=El Ted;1353732]I followed the taxi signs inside the terminal to the lower level and went out to the curb where there were lots of taxis and one girl behind a stand, so presumably this is the right place? Has anybody else been quoted 1500 like me?[/QUOTE]Upstairs, SUV, to Pattaya, yes, requested to pay Bt1500.

Great reporting bro, keep them coming.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1365655]I pulled a couple out of Bamboo (both for 1000) and one out of WS disco, but I dumped her after about an hour, she was to wasted.[/QUOTE]Did you ever go back to Bamboo?[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1369339]Great reporting bro, keep them coming.[/QUOTE]I can't wait to see yours!

Day 3.

I called the hottie from Pe Pe, and she showed up within an hour at Sin Bin. Turned out that she liked to play dirty as well, so we had a good time in the loom. She only stayed for a few hours, but that was fine because I was getting worn out quickly!

Stopped by Sin Bin and picked up Vic and we headed to Soi 13/1 so I could see one of my old X-Zone flames. I was reunited with Pa in her club, but I was too tired for another playmate. So I paid her barfine for the next night, that way she could come to me, instead of vice versa.

Vic has never seen Soi 6, and I was just the guy to introduce the Soi to him! We saw a couple of cuties outside Red Point, so we took them in for a drink and test drive. We played in the booth for a while until the Little Sailor got bored, then we left.

For whatever reason, while on the way to Walking Street, I veered off and led us to the Bamboo Club, which was full of freelancers. The server put us at a table with a real tiny cutie sitting across from me. We both smiled at each other and then she asked me to dance. Why in the hell not? Turns out she is a massage girl (MG) at one of the bigger resorts. I liked her right off the bat. I told Vic she would be joining us the rest of the evening. The three of us headed over to Airport.

Vic fell in love with a stunner on the stage. He barfined her and off we went to base camp. While at Sin Bin, his stunner copped an attitude. Saying stuff like,"I don't like this bar" and "I don't like this song." Vic did exactly what I would have done, he sent her packing! She starting crying, but he stood his ground, and told her to go the fuck home.

MG loved the room, and even more Mr. Bubbles. She played with the bubbles like a kid until all the bubbles were gone, damn close to an hour. I found it refreshing and entertaining. She turned out to be quite the little pistol in the rack. After we played for a while, she offered up a massage before she left at 6:00.

Day 4 / Doomsday the 21st!

Got me a no happy ending massage at "The Best" to start the day, but that was at 4:00. Hung out at base camp while waiting for the world to end, but maybe that would happen later on in the evening. Pa was coming later and I needed to rest up for her somewhat. Pa showed up at 8:00 and she was hungry, so I ran across and got a menu from the new restaurant across from Sin Bin, called Ristorante Pizzeria. Get this, despite the name, they do not serve pizzas; WTF? The place is high end and has high end prices. Fuck that, we headed to the Beer Garden.

While at the Beer Garden, I learned something new. This is probably old news for most of you, but it is about the drink coasters. I never knew they were two sided. So if a freelancer is sitting at the bar with the green side up, she is looking for action. If the red side is up, then they are just there hanging with friends or waiting for someone to show up.

Vic meet up with us at the Beer Garden and Pa wanted to see some different places, so we went to Babydolls, Baccara, and Happy. At Happy, there was this one dancer and she was absolutely incredible! At one point, she grabbed two poles, did a back flip, and landed in a split; I was in love! Pa and I returned to the loom and did our best to flood the damn thing out. It was a great reunion with Pa, but we both changed somewhat and I think we both knew it was our last night together. Plus, I was still missing Mom.

I'm on facebook talking to one of my regulars from the disco. 1000 LT for me of course. I knew before that she works at some massage shop but had never gone by. So I just told her that I would come get a massage and asked how much it costs.

Her: what you want to do for everything. If everything 1000.

Me: I do not know. Just thai massage.

Her: for massage and boom not do only massage. I work special massage. You understand.

Me: I want massage only. You come to my room for boom boom.

Her: if do only massage not come better I lazy.

Me: 555. Ok. So you can just come to my room.

Her: I go only boom boom in your room better.

[b]Me: what is name of shop?

Her: orar.[/b]

Me: how many customers you have every day?

Her: someday 1-2-3-5-5-6-7-8. Today I get 4.

Me: you are rich now.

Her: yesterday I get 7. But up to customer want that not same money I get. Not all customer boom boom. Maybe if like I big money now. If 1 day 5000 or 8000.

Her: yesterday I get 4300. Today 2000. Everyday not same. But better to look customer in the disco.

Me: not all customer boom boom? So how much they pay?

Her: some 500- 300-1000- 900 700. If take mouth 500-700.

Me: how many ladies work there?

Her: 4

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1369462]I'm on facebook talking to one of my regulars from the disco. 1000 LT for me of course. I knew before that she works at some massage shop but had never gone by. So I just told her that I would come get a massage and asked how much it costs.

Her: what you want to do for everything. If everything 1000.

Me: I do not know. Just thai massage.

Her: for massage and boom not do only massage. I work special massage. You understand.

Me: I want massage only. You come to my room for boom boom.

Her: if do only massage not come better I lazy.

Me: 555. Ok. So you can just come to my room.

Her: I go only boom boom in your room better.

[b]Me: what is name of shop?

Her: orar. [/b]

Me: how many customers you have every day?

Her: someday 1-2-3-5-5-6-7-8. Today I get 4.

Me: you are rich now.

Her: yesterday I get 7. But up to customer want that not same money I get. Not all customer boom boom. Maybe if like I big money now. If 1 day 5000 or 8000.

Her: yesterday I get 4300. Today 2000. Everyday not same. But better to look customer in the disco.

Me: not all customer boom boom? So how much they pay?

Her: some 500- 300-1000- 900 700. If take mouth 500-700.

Me: how many ladies work there?

Her: 4[/QUOTE]Yes.

That is good info. And just verifies what I was saying about the girl I took recently who told me she makes 100, 000 B a month. I actually think she makes more.

Too bad the nay sayers here do not have good communication with the girls and have no idea what they are talking about.

I also bet that some of these girls make much more money than than the mongers they service.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1369588]Yes.

That is good info. And just verifies what I was saying about the girl I took recently who told me she makes 100, 000 B a month. I actually think she makes more.

Too bad the nay sayers here do not have good communication with the girls and have no idea what they are talking about.

I also bet that some of these girls make much more money than than the mongers they service.[/QUOTE]I was a naysayer too. When she told me that, exactly what I remembered was your post. She also said that she just broke up with her boyfriend (black guy) because she got drunk and started betching about money and he left her. I think he lives there as well because I would always see them out shooting pool together, so I haven't been able to get my turn at the ass in a while.

Me: why finish?

Her: I crazy and him go.

Me: I never see you crazy. Only when you drink too much.

Her: yes I drink and I angry him about money. Him like to play pool before and spen money you know about 250000 him make shit.

Me: yes you always play pool with him.

Her: him no care about my fuwtuer. I play but not for money.

Me: I am happy he finish with you. Now sometimes you come see me.

Her: ok. I hope that

Anyone been to The Castle recently? Haven't seen a report on this place anywhere in years. Checked out the site, looks like they're still up and running but with a very limited staff. Any help much obliged.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1369760]Here we go again. I'm sure there are a few who make 100, 000 a month. I see them raking it in.

But to say a girl who gives discounts to 1000 a session surely isn't one of them. The numbers just don't add up. Why would a girl even waste her time for 1000. I don't care how enjoyable a guy you are. Lool.[/QUOTE]Are you worried she may make more than you? Tax free a lot of these girls are.

Take a lesson in economics. That is exactly why it adds up.

I guess you think if she charges 3k she will get more customers?

Many of the busy places get 6-8 or more cusotmers a day in their 12 hour shifts. Easy.

Think what you want though.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1369588]And just verifies what I was saying about the girl I took recently who told me she makes 100, 000 B a month. I actually think she makes more.[/QUOTE]I once made the calculations to see whether an agogo girl could make that much money and unless she does three ST every night she will not come even close.

Which proves that the big money is not always in the more up-market places. A good run-of-the-middle MP shop where services are modestly priced and the girls are not lazy will bring them more in the end.

Dr. BJ with his "budget bangers" may be on to something! When will he open a branch in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1369930]I once made the calculations to see whether an agogo girl could make that much money and unless she does three ST every night she will not come even close.

Which proves that the big money is not always in the more up-market places. A good run-of-the-middle MP shop where services are modestly priced and the girls are not lazy will bring them more in the end.

Dr. BJ with his "budget bangers" may be on to something! When will he open a branch in Pattays?[/QUOTE]Most of those Gogo girls will be lucky to get one customer. They consume too much time just for one date.

At a MP, you walk in, ask them a few questions, and hit the sack. They can do 3 in the time it takes a Gogo to get one. The Gogo might even take longer.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1369930]I once made the calculations to see whether an agogo girl could make that much money and unless she does three ST every night she will not come even close.

Which proves that the big money is not always in the more up-market places. A good run-of-the-middle MP shop where services are modestly priced and the girls are not lazy will bring them more in the end.

Dr. BJ with his "budget bangers" may be on to something! When will he open a branch in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]With the upmarket spots, the girls are more likely to find a whale who is willing to put out big money per month, so in that regard I don't think you can just take it at face value what they make just at the gogo bar. Obviously, the hotter she is the more likely the chance of this happening. So maybe a girl makes 30K she might make double that in sponsorship money.

RUAY RUAY WHERE ART THOU?

Funny isn't it how we remember to best times & the worst times. For me it was back towards the end of 2004. Freshly divorced, new to Pattaya, couple of days looking around trying to pick the LBFM that I wanted to try out. Then bang! Soi 8, tidy little piece named Ruay or Luay (because of the unability to say the "R" pronounciation).

The 10 days I spent there was almost a blur other than the fact that this beautiful little thai was willing to wait, serve & be the perfect companion that most of us desire so much.

29 year old, looks & figure I would have rated 8 or 9/10. Dark skinned. Had a small tattoo on her left shoulder blade of 2 hearts (I think). Only small & half saggy tits, but what was down lower made up for that in spades. No CIM, but once again getting to play a hole in 1 & a hole in 2 made up for that too. Hahaha.

Shy outside but very friendly & very passionate & noisy inside. F#$K she was tops. I could hump & pump her anywhere. She used to crack me up with when she was close to orgasms."Him soon, him soom, him come hahaha. First time I started laughing, thinking shit someone else is here hahaha.

Back then though, I wasn't looking for love, just a good time. Hell isn't that why we choose to go to places like that!

Yeah ok it was a bought love and most of the things she told me was probably a lie. But with 2 marriages & 2 divorces (100% strike rate so far) , don't we divorcees look back and wonder if most of that was a lie & crap. U know even after 10 days there was no talk of how much. So on my last day, I decided to give her what I had which was 33000 baht, but that was all my decision. (Nothing on what I've paid out to 2 ex wives haha).

So if anyone remembers her, or knows if she is still around, or even has some pics to remind me would be much appreciated.

I thinks it's time to revisit my little paradise again.

So if anyone wishes to share a photo of her or give me an update of if she still works there

My favorite is the Shark Bar. Anyone who knows Walking Street knows about the bridge between Tiger Bar and Shark. You can always count on some hot stuff in there. I love to keep a bunch of 20 baht notes in my top pocket and sit there where they dance. I ask each one if they have hair. (Mi pom, mai). Then when they show the muff, I slip them the 20. They love it. Then the next time I show up they all come running up and pull down their bikini."mi pom, mi pom. Mai mi pom". Funny as hell.

This little one was great. About 40 kilo. Great little puddie pie. If she wouldn't have tapped on my head and made me come up, I would still be down there grubbin on that stuff. Evidentally she had somewhere to get back to. Haha. 600 BF and 1500 for a couple hours.

Another Shark Bar hottie. Damn. I love that dark stuff!

Forgot the picture. Doh!

Why does anyone care how much these girls make?

There are thousands, not hundreds, that never see any action whatsoever. Look at all the open beer bars and the number of women that go home alone.

As far as massage places, the girls in the bigger places will make money, but the smaller places like the Best on Soi 13/3 would be a different story.

On high season, we are talking about 40-50 thousand women, do you really think they make much money at all?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin; 1370216]Why does anyone care how much these girls make?

There are thousands, not hundreds, that never see any action whatsoever. Look at all the open beer bars and the number of women that go home alone.

As far as massage places, the girls in the bigger places will make money, but the smaller places like the Best on Soi 13/3 would be a different story.

On high season, we are talking about 40-50 thousand women, do you really think they make much money at all?[/QUOTE]I don't care, but just reported it.

I like to hear a MP girl tell me she is making good money and considering buying a condo.

I think those that do care may be jealous of the fact some of these girls make more than they do.

[quote=luvpuss;1370357]i don't care, but just reported it. i like to hear a mp girl tell me she is making good money and considering buying a condo. i think those that do care may be jealous of the fact some of these girls make more than they do.[/quote]besides, why would a chick tell a guy that she makes more than she actually does? it would make more sense to tell him she made less and play the poor role in order to try to get more out of him. now i could see them trying to play the big shot and show off for their peers, but for a customer or someone she has known over time not.

[QUOTE=Pimpin Sam;1370206]Forgot the picture. Doh![/QUOTE]Lovely and sexy. !

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1370130]No no and no! Does anyone believe this! 6-8 customers a day? And what prices do they charge-200 baht a session. Pattaya would be full of gorgeous babes if girls could get these kinds of numbers.

Anyonec notice how a certain paattayya resident either gets his hookers free or at major discounts.

?[/QUOTE]If you read around or have been around anywhere on this planet you will see that most people have sense enough to realize that residency has its privileges:

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1369978]He lives there Charles so naturally he would get the brand new girls who haven't been schooled to the game at a cheap price. I don't think its fair to compare a weekend warrior to someone who lives there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harold444;1370398]Its not jealousy! Arent you curious what a girl you have sex with makes?[/QUOTE]In all honesty, NO! On my list of concerns, wants, expectations and desires her income is probably as relevant as the weather in Buenos Aires at that exact same moment.

Regards,

BJ

Probably nothing to report on Soi 6 that hasnt already been said. 1000 Baht incl bar fine for a surprisingly good blow job and a nice shag.

No, I don't work for their PR department. I just like the place. This one can shag all the grass off the side of the hill! Regular ST price for a couple of hours (1,500)

Allot of them don't want to do long time anymore it seems. Thats all right with me though. Get more sleep that way.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1369730]Anyone been to The Castle recently? Haven't seen a report on this place anywhere in years. Checked out the site, looks like they're still up and running but with a very limited staff. Any help much obliged.[/QUOTE]Nothing?

They aren't replying to their emails either. Are they still open even?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1371168]Nothing?

They aren't replying to their emails either. Are they still open even?[/QUOTE]According to the map it is right by my place. I've never seen it nor have I heard of it and I've been living off 3rd road for 3 years. Judging from the website the last update was probably 2011. Did you try calling the phone number listed on the website?

© 2001-2011 The Castle Pattaya. Fetish and Fantasy Club in Pattaya, Thailand.

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I am back from a fun filled vacation after spending 6 nights, it was one awesome experience, and it gets better by the year. I have being traveling to Thailand from the past 5 year

And I must say, I love the place and the love get stronger with my visit each year!

From the past few years, I have been a regular at PP massage and this time around, I wanted to open my innings with something other than PP (opening of an inning is Cricket term).

After looking at lots of places, finally I went to Rasputin. Well this selection of the fishbowl was awesome and now with the standard colors (Red / Blue) they have chick's posing as model's for 5K sitting on couch! Utter rubbish must say!

So, finally after a beer and a good look at the spread, took a pick of a chick, was 5' 4' with good firm assest's and had a twinkle in her eye! The asking price was 2. 5, negotiated for 2K for 120 min with a pop incuded!

The lady wanted a drink, so I called for a beer for her and one for me (Heineken 125 each) , after the beer, we went up to the room and must say the rooms are good (new) and clean. The linen was clean and spotless and room smelled fresh!

Post a hug and a kiss we moved towards the tub and then for next 30 min's she was all over me and I had the most amazing time, this was lot better than PP and different, I must say. Then we moved to the bed, all position are okay and had one hell of a fuck! Tipped her 200 and set off to my next destination.

I had taken a condo at 'View Talay 6', next to Central Festival Department Store as my den, was better than any hotel and it had no guest charge! I was on the 23rd Floor and the view was also a plus! I would recommend saying in condo's to a hotel, cost is almost the same but new places are cleaner and in the central area!

Took a nap after my encounter at Rasputin with Lilly, around 10 pm was all set for round 2 for the day, took a Bhat bus and went to the walking street, strolling and check out women and looking at tourist's made it my destination I-Bar.

I have been a regular here from the past few years, the drinks are little expensive but this place is a crowd puller. Got a table and checking the view. Saw a nice girl. 25 26 may be, had a casual conversation with her, man she could communicate very well in English, struck a deal for 2K LT.

After having a few drinks together, we headed to the condo, the bhat bus took us there for 20 bhats and at the security of the condo, the lady had to give her identity card and we went to the room.

The one thing that I like about thai women they are very warm and very helpful, from the time she came inside the room, from removing my socks, to fixing a drink to, she was all over it. The best customer service that you can ever get!

Anyways, the night was jumping and pumping multiple pop's and all positions for 2K was just amazing! She was one 'hell of a wild cat'!

[QUOTE=Dan26; 1370200]RUAY RUAY WHERE ART THOU?

U know even after 10 days there was no talk of how much. So on my last day, I decided to give her what I had which was 33000 baht, but that was all my decision.[/QUOTE]3,300 baht per day for a Pattaya soi 8 ho. You better get yourself some coppertone lotion son, because you just got burned.

Yeah, it's right on 3rd Road and it looks like a big castle, hence the name. It's right next to Buffalo Bar. I've been there in the past, had a great time. Haven't called. Don't really want to make an international call. Yea, I'm lazy, but it's ridiculous that businesses catering to westerners in 2013 don't have an online presence.

[QUOTE=Pimpin Sam;1371091]Probably nothing to report on Soi 6 that hasnt already been said. 1000 Baht incl bar fine for a surprisingly good blow job and a nice shag.[/QUOTE]Not bad.

Did they ask for the money upfront?

Just for info, that is is price you should be paying. I have always paid that. But on my last trip, several of the Soi 6 bars were asking 1300. Plus, they bar lady wanted the money upfront. One told me 1500??
I did not stay at these places and found the 1000k.

Day 5.

I woke up and to my surprise, the world was still intact; those fucking prophets. Oh but maybe, it was meant for the Pacific Time Zone. Better keep my fingers crossed.

At this point, I'm in the burnout stage, but still alive and kicking. Ended up at Queen in L / K Metro. Pulled a real hottie out of there. My understanding is that the owner of Queen is the same as Iron; that would explain the hottie factor. Vic was always sucking hind tit when it came to picking and choosing. The three of us headed to Iron, where he found one of his liking.

Day 6.

The only real excitement was getting a foot massage at The Best; no happy ending dammit! We made our loop through Bamboo and Walking Street Disco. It was Sunday and the crowd was down a bit. I went back to Queen to get the hottie and met up with Vic at home base later in the evening for a quiet night.

Day 7 / Christmas Eve.

One of the clubs had a Christmas party where it was all you could drink was only 895 baht. An Irishman and an American Sailor were quite happy! Hell, we were in there for 6-7 hours. We ran the place out of Jagerbombs, was damn close to drinking up their entire supply of vodka, and they basically told us that we had enough; but we felt differently about that. So we started drinking tequila and rum. And without a stumble, we walked out of there proudly knowing that we got our money's worth!

Later that night, we were coming back from Queen, and we decided to take a Baht Bus around the loop and back to Walking Street. Well neither of us were paying attention and we did not notice that the bus continued on Second Road and never made the loop around. After about five minutes, we were in nowhere land. No clubs, no bars, not a damn thing in sight. So I stopped the bus and asked the driver, WTF? I guess he was off duty and didn't realized we were still in the back. We started walking back on the darken streets and eventually found two motorcycle dudes. Traffic was horrible on Beach Road and it was quite the adventure getting back zipping through the traffic.

Some of the clubs, like Queen for example, doubled the barfines on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day; those bastards!

Day 8 / Christmas.

The town was packed with tourists and a few mongers. We headed to Bamboo, but not a lot of cuties in sight. Vic grabs a table, so we sit down for a bit. Two girls came walking by and Vic stopped them and asked if they wanted a drink. Well the one that sat next to me looked like she was seven months pregnant. I asked her when the baby was coming and she replied,"What baby?" We were off to a very bad start; we left after a really quick drink!

The Great Escape!

We went into Walking Street Disco and walked by three good looking girls, one dancing, and the other two were not. The one dancing grabs my hand as I was walking by, so I would dance with her. I bought a round and we danced more. She was a blast, but her friends seemed boring, and Vic felt the same. So we took her with us to find Vic a playmate for the evening. We stopped at one of the open bars and she about fell off the barstool twice. Then on to Babydolls, where she about past out. Whatever energy she had before, was long gone.

We were headed back towards Walking Street Disco and this is where I told Vic to follow my lead. I said that we should go back in the disco to see if her friends were still there. So she is walking and stumbling ahead of us and trying to call them on her phone. I turned to Vic, and said,"GO!" We ran like the wind! We ran into a cluster of open air bars and went to the one that was furthest from Walking Street. That is where I met Chunky. This girl was so much fun and she had the best attitude of all the girls I had thus far, but she was a bit chunky in the gut area. Fuck it! Overlook the gut! I barfined her. She was an absolute blast in the loom.

Day 9 / Last Day.

Got a great neck and shoulders massage, and while the girl was doing that, Mama came over and massaged my feet for 20 minutes. She really appreciated my steady business. Later in the evening, I was making my rounds and saying my goodbyes. Stopped in Champion to see Mamasan Sue and there was a stunner on stage. Fuck it, I barfined her. She would by my trophy fuck of the trip. I did not see Mamasan the the entire trip, because she wasn't working at Spankys anymore. Sue told us that she was at a new club called Private Dancer. Thus, we were off to see her. And later in the loom, the trophy fuck turned out to be a lame fuck; should have known better!

Final Thoughts.

It was high season and the place was packed! For those of you that frequent the Coconut Bar, the competition was fierce between the ladies; there was a butt load of them. I actually saw some real cuties up and down beach road this trip. But when the vender stalls went up, the girls disappeared! And I think the stalls stayed up until after the 1st, because I left on the 27th and they were still up.

In the pharmacies, they were selling the Oral Gem Kamagra 100 mg at a decent price. I tried it a few times, and it helped my old ass out on each occasion.

As much as I love the place, it is getting harder and longer to recover from the two trips every year. But about a month from now, I will have forgotten about the recovery period and book a flight for the summer.

Even though some of my favorite girls were not around, it was quite easy to establish new favorites; the place is busting with honeys of all shapes and sizes. I've always found the place safe and never had any issues walking / stumbling around in the LOS over the past 35 years. Yes, it is getting more expensive, but so is the cost of living in general. In our hobby, it is still one of the best bargains this world has to offer; IMHO!

These are from Day 1!

These are the chicks that we picked up from the iBar! My skills with the camera seem to be getting better!

- I'm in LOS / Patts 9 Jan. 6 Feb. Almost all the FLs (BR, Insomnia, WS) I'm meeting want high season pricing / premium (ST B 1, 000+, LT B 2, 000+) and the 4 FLs I've had so far insisted on only ST (I prefer LT so I can wake up to a morning delight).

- Not too crowded with tourists. Of course lots of Russians, but only a few Indians, Chinese tour groups.

- Coconut Bar seems to be fully open for business (no sidewalk tents / vendors / stands) , unfortunately slim pickings; hoping some college students come to town soon to earn some P4P money.

- Been enjoying most of the new GoGos: Ginza, Sugar, Mandarin. Will scope out the "new" places I haven't been to such as Action Street, Le Carre Blanc (sp?) lounge, Soi 6 Nightwish BeerBar, etc. In late Feb I'll post my Trip Report.

- I'll be mostly in Patts with 1. 2 nights in BKK. If you want to meet for a drink, PM me.

I don't think its a good idea to put their faces either. The only reason I do it is cause I haven't figured out how to blurr them yet. I suppose its time to learn.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1371670]At least you have the courage of putting faces to the bodies. But do you thinks it not a safety issue for yourself. Do you plan on never going back. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Intlluv]Also don't go to Soi 6 hella early like I did. And it was kinda dead. But I did find one that was acceptable and walked inside her bar. She was darker skinned but had a nice ass and nice tits and she was stroking my junk through my shorts and I was ready to bust my first load. PRICE was 1000 baht ST and 250 for the room.[/QUOTE]On Soi 6 the going rate for a short time session in one of the onsite rooms is 700 to the girl and 300 to the bar. Recent reports have the girls trying to raise their price to 1000 baht. Don't want to start a flame war over prices paid, so I'll just say that in my view the average Soi 6 girl doesn't rate that tariff. That said, if a girl goes the extra mile in the room and I have a good session I will tip her 100 or 200 baht.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Pimpin Sam;1371911] The only reason I do it is cause I haven't figured out how to blurr them yet. I suppose its time to learn.[/QUOTE]PSA brought to you by the letters E and Z.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLx9ta1Cdsg[/url]

[QUOTE=RedMercury;1371181]The one thing that I like about thai women they are very warm and very helpful, from the time she came inside the room, from removing my socks, to fixing a drink to, she was all over it. The best customer service that you can ever get![/QUOTE]I may have trust issues but I would never let a lady I just met mix me a drink in my room. It's a nice gesture but you could easily had your drink spiked. It sounds weird but she would have to earn that privilege from me by waking up beside me a couple times till I know she isn't a thief. Way too many druggings with girls leaving fake ID at the front desk. Just don't put your guard down because as soon as you do, you're going to be posting a warning story here for all of us.

[quote=orange crust;1372062]i may have trust issues but i would never let a lady i just met mix me a drink in my room. it's a nice gesture but you could easily had your drink spiked. it sounds weird but she would have to earn that privilege from me by waking up beside me a couple times till i know she isn't a thief. way too many druggings with girls leaving fake id at the front desk. just don't put your guard down because as soon as you do, you're going to be posting a warning story here for all of us.[/quote]those who expect to be robbed, drugged, raped, beaten up, ... are likely to attract exactly the people who will serve them as expected.

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1372062]I may have trust issues but I would never let a lady I just met mix me a drink in my room. It's a nice gesture but you could easily had your drink spiked.[/QUOTE]Sound advice. It might sound paranoid, but I was drugged and robbed once by a Thai girl, and I thought it could never happen to me (expat, speaking decent Thai, here for a few years, a non-drinker). Apparently, she put something on a snack from 7-11, rather than a drink, quite a pro. Wasn't even a bargirl / freelancer, but seemingly a good girl (pick up from KSR, went for dancing and dinner with a friend then ended up at my place).

Just came back from Pat. Met 2 french guys robbed by girls they met on beachroad close to the shopping mall. Careful!

Just came back from Pat where I met two french guys beeing robbed by girls they met on beachroad close to the shopping mall. Met them at 2 am and went to hotel where they did drink together. Next morning headache, not remembering anything and without cellphones and money. Careful

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1372062]I may have trust issues but I would never let a lady I just met mix me a drink in my room. It's a nice gesture but you could easily had your drink spiked. It sounds weird but she would have to earn that privilege from me by waking up beside me a couple times till I know she isn't a thief. Way too many druggings with girls leaving fake ID at the front desk. Just don't put your guard down because as soon as you do, you're going to be posting a warning story here for all of us.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Unless I really know her, I hide my shit very well in the room and don't much take my eye off them.

I don't wear any jewelry and just keep cash only in my pocket. If I take her back to the room for the night, I put the cash and phone in the safe.

Once we hit the sack, there is nothing they can take. But it is possible I might wake up without a kidney or liver some morning.

[quote=wolvenvacht;1372107]those who expect to be robbed, drugged, raped, beaten up, . are likely to attract exactly the people who will serve them as expected.[/quote]yeah, i know but don't go into it blind stupid.

remember these poor fellows:

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2012/05/13/three-bangladeshi-rotarians-drugged-by-pattaya-hooker-one-dead-two-in-coma/[/url]

khun maree. 31 was arrested

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/55201/suspect-drugging-robbery-case-bangladesh-rotarians-caught-pattaya-police/[/url]

sadly, she has a history of doing this, see this 2007 article, scary she's been doing this for at least 4 years. how many victims?

[url]http://teakdoor.com/197250-post1.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1372126]Unless I really know her, I hide my shit very well in the room and don't much take my eye off them.[/QUOTE]Then it is of no use to hide it in the first place.

That is like the "Watch out for pick-pockets" sign on the street. The Police actually had to remove the sign because almost everyone who saw that sign touched their money as by reflex to check it was not (yet) stolen. Trained pick-pockets thus knew exactly where you had put your money and it was too easy for them to lift it from you.

Don't hide your money and valuables: keep'them in the safe and enjoy the sex without worries.

[QUOTE=Orange Crust; 1372131]Yeah, I know but don't go into it blind stupid.

Remember these poor fellows: (.)

Sadly, she has a history of doing this, see this 2007 article, scary she's been doing this for at least 4 years. How many victims? [/QUOTE]So, one bad apple among literally tens of thousands of sex-workers. You are more likely to be hit by a car when crossing the street (even more so when drunk) , being asked to pay a fine for an imaginary offence by a police officer or being swindled by a gem-dealer.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1372149]So, one bad apple among literally tens of thousands of sex-workers. You are more likely to be hit by a car when crossing the street (even more so when drunk) , being asked to pay a fine for an imaginary offence by a police officer or being swindled by a gem-dealer.[/QUOTE]I love your logic. Therefore you must also agree that you are more likely to have a bad apple drug you than winning the lottery. You only live once and it's sad if someone else's action shorten your life. I get it and your point. I once read " if you sleep with the dogs, you will catch flees."

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1372143]Then it is of no use to hide it in the first place.

That is like the "Watch out for pick-pockets" sign on the street. The Police actually had to remove the sign because almost everyone who saw that sign touched their money as by reflex to check it was not (yet) stolen. Trained pick-pockets thus knew exactly where you had put your money and it was too easy for them to lift it from you.

Don't hide your money and valuables: keep'them in the safe and enjoy the sex without worries.[/QUOTE]Most of the time I put it in a plastic baggies, and shove it up my ass. They never look there.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1372143]. "Watch out for pick-pockets" sign on the street.[/QUOTE]I got my pocket picked on one of the Baht Buses, around 4 years ago.

I think it was a grandmother / granddaughter team. The older got on first and sat on one side of me while the younger one followed her and bumped into me while sitting. She offered an apology. I think when I was distracted by the bump, grandma slipped her hand into my pocket. They got off before me. I didn't realize the theft, until I got off to buy some food. I lost roughly 1000 baht and learned my lesson. Now I sit at the end of the bus, with my money pocket out of reach.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1372161]Most of the time I put it in a plastic baggies, and shove it up my ass. They never look there.[/QUOTE]

Luvpuss, have you read the book Papillion?

[QUOTE=Pimpin Sam;1370206]Forgot the picture. Doh![/QUOTE]Nice pic! Always good to see an actual pic that isn't just a body part or a mutilated blur.

[QUOTE=RedMercury; 1371477]These are from Day 1!

These are the chicks that we picked up from the iBar! My skills with the camera seem to be getting better![/QUOTE]Nice pics!

[QUOTE=RedMercury; 1371477]These are from Day 1!

These are the chicks that we picked up from the iBar! My skills with the camera seem to be getting better![/QUOTE]What hotel?

[QUOTE=Orange Crust;1372152]Therefore you must also agree that you are more likely to have a bad apple drug you than winning the lottery.[/QUOTE]Of course. The odds to win the first prize in the EuroMillions lottery is less than randomly punching some numbers in your phone and getting the Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party on the line. It is a proven scientific fact that the human brain is not wired to clearly weigh risks and odds. It must give us some evolutionary advantage, but I fail to see it yet. Only casinos and lotteries seem to benefit.

[quote=wolvenvacht;1372107]those who expect to be robbed, drugged, raped, beaten up, . are likely to attract exactly the people who will serve them as expected.[/quote]maybe they have a death wish.

those who take precautions not to be abused will repel evildoers.

I was a regular at Devil's Den Pattaya until there was a change in management a couple of years ago. I'm heading to Thailand in next couple of weeks after a very long time and would like to know how is the place now in terms of service and availability of girls? The friendliness and customer service oriented attitude of this place used to be second to none but I had heard some bad reports (not in this forum) after the "new management" took over. Is anyone aware of this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

i've not been doing this for long, but i've had about one dozen beach road experiences ranging from good to outstanding. but tonight's experience goes in the negative column. walking from mikes shopping center toward the hilton, saw a nice little spinner wearing a lot of frilly pink standing along the sidewalk. i stopped and chatted for just a few minutes, she had a shy smile and seemed genuine, said her name was pim or peene, and of course interested in "go with you". but i kept walking. after 10 minutes or so i turned, went back, and asked her to "go with me". as we were walking and chatting (her english is poor) she said she needed to leave in the morning as she is keeping her sisters baby. then she volunteered her sister had died. then her mother had recently died in a motorcylce accident. i've been reading this forum for a few years and i know all of you are thinking what i was thinking; trouble. but we continued to my room, agreed on thb 500 short time, showered, she seemed shyly shocked about my size but seemed willing to try. she was all clenched-up but i used my fingers to get her started, then as is my style i started with some very slow teasing with just junior's head, finally inserted the head but i could see she was not enjoying this. i asked a few times if she was ok, no response other than a grimace, so i rolled over and yanked off the condom with some disgust, i figured i had now fully uncovered her play, she had no intention of fucking me, just wanted the money in return for as little as possible. i stood and started to dress, she grabbed her pussy, kept checking herself, then said i needed to take her to the doctor. crap. she asked for 1, 200 to pay for the doctor visit and was making no move to get dressed, maybe her plan was to wait me out until i agreed to more money. i told her i would pay her once we were out the door. after several long, agonizing minutes she finally dressed, we walked out, she was limping as if i'd taken an axe handle to her. at the hotel entrance i handed her 1, 000 and walked away in the other direction. i don't know if she was hurt or acting so i hoped 1, 000 would close out this experience in some equitable way. don't know. but the next time i get the "sick buffalo" story i'll pay attention to my instincts and shut it down.

[QUOTE=Mr Mojo Rising; 1372464]I was a regular at Devil's Den Pattaya until there was a change in management a couple of years ago. I'm heading to Thailand in next couple of weeks after a very long time and would like to know how is the place now in terms of service and availability of girls? The friendliness and customer service oriented attitude of this place used to be second to none but I had heard some bad reports (not in this forum) after the "new management" took over. Is anyone aware of this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Originally Posted by Devilspinkick [View Original Post]

Yeh, I was not so impressed with DD and the ladies there aren't much to look at in general. Had much more fun at the Go-Gos like Airport, Lolipop, Iron Club, etc. But I've only been there once so maybe I just picked the wrong two dames & of course YMMV. Not saying that I didn't have a decent time there, but it wasn't all that great either. Plan to stick to the Go-Gos & MPs when I return. Which will be tonight!

- DSK.

DD. Value for money = A Big No.

DD. Mechanical = A Big Yes.

DD. Alternatives = Find a place where two girls seem to be friends. Move in on them. Chat them up. Get some sparks going. Take them back to your hotel.

You have definitely been had brother. When I went to the doctor in November with some kind of ear / nose / throat infection he checked me and gave me a 5 day supply of 3 different medicines for 450 baht. When my brother got the cotton part of a swab stuck in his hear I paid 100 baht to have it flushed out. On the spot HIV test I paid 300 baht. And for my yearly check up with I don't know how many tests run (I know there are 3 pages worth at least) I pay 3000 baht. We live and learn.

Sad news today. It looks like a fellow compatriot took his own life in Pats. [url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70184/danish-resident-falls-23rd-balcony-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Something more seasoned visitors can perhaps enlighten me on is the drugs angle this article takes. In our national news there is no mention of drugs yet but its like a foregone conclusion in PO. Is this because its pretty much a fact that the poor bloke was high as a kite or is this just something Thai police always use as an excuse when it comes to farangs involved in crimes or accidents?

Last time I was in Pattaya I read that a new Tuk. Com was opening soon. I haven't heard or read anything about it since. Anybody have any news on this subject?

Thanks a million.

[QUOTE=David 2;1373532]Last time I was in Pattaya I read that a new Tuk. Com was opening soon. I haven't heard or read anything about it since. Anybody have any news on this subject?.[/QUOTE]I don't know anything about that. I seriously doubt it since they have been putting new floors in the current one.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1373439]Sad news today. It looks like a fellow compatriot took his own life in Pats.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70184/danish-resident-falls-23rd-balcony-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Something more seasoned visitors can perhaps enlighten me on is the drugs angle this article takes. In our national news there is no mention of drugs yet but its like a foregone conclusion in PO. Is this because its pretty much a fact that the poor bloke was high as a kite or is this just something Thai police always use as an excuse when it comes to farangs involved in crimes or accidents?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this type of incident is not unusual in Pattaya or anywhere else in the world especially if drugs and alcohol were involved. Sometimes people under the influence think that they're invincible and take stupid risk with fatal consequences. Some people have demons inside them (depression) that others can't see.

The age of this young man reminded me of similar recent incidents on US college campuses where students have been injured or killed falling out of buildings.

[url]http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019788865_apidfraternityfalls1stldwritethru.html[/url]

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1373439]Sad news today. It looks like a fellow compatriot took his own life in Pats.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70184/danish-resident-falls-23rd-balcony-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Something more seasoned visitors can perhaps enlighten me on is the drugs angle this article takes. In our national news there is no mention of drugs yet but its like a foregone conclusion in PO. Is this because its pretty much a fact that the poor bloke was high as a kite or is this just something Thai police always use as an excuse when it comes to farangs involved in crimes or accidents?[/QUOTE]Happens almost every week in Pattaya, it's almost not news anymore. Could be because of drugs (voluntary or involuntary) , business deals gone bad, poor relationship with GF or wife or just plain craziness. The only thing different about this story is the man's age. Most of the people in these type of stories are lot older than 22. Quite a shame.

I heard a slight commotion in my bldg a few weeks ago and discovered later that a falang had returned to Pattaya to the room he was paying for. Inside the room his GF was shacked up with her Thai BF. This European guy was relatively and wisely calm though, he took his stuff out of the apartment and left without causing too much of a scene or even a fight. He could have made the news with a balcony jump or a push but he saw the light and decided to live to punt another day.

Are Pattaya and Angeles City in the Philippines much the same?

[QUOTE=Mr Mojo Rising;1372464]I was a regular at Devil's Den Pattaya until there was a change in management a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]My Buddy just had an outcall from DD a few days ago. He was overall satisfied with the service. Buddy told me:

- Lady got an "A" for effort though overall somewhat mechanical (especially the BJ).

- She wanted to use her strap-on to penetrate him, but he refused to her disappointment.

- He booked the B 3, 500 outcall Lady without first having met / interviewing her, and as it turned out she hardly spoke any English which was a major drawback.

- The outcall is for 22:00. 06:00 but my Buddy asked her to leave around 08:00.

Buddy and me had been in the day before and met the manager Dave (?). Dave was very knowledgeable and patient in answering all of Buddy's questions. When Buddy picked up the Lady at 22:00 the next night (you can have the girl meet at 22:00 at your hotel room but Buddy opted to meet her at DD) the other manager (don't know his name, but both him & Dave (?) are half-Thai, half-Caucasian and Dave is a husky guy while his co-manager is a normal build) was also professional and easy to work with.

I don't do DD as I'm a cheap charlie but based on my observations DD is still a well-run place that emphasizes customer satisfaction.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1374129]Are Pattaya and Angeles City in the Philippines much the same?[/QUOTE]Not at all. Pattaya mongering scene is at least 10x bigger (in terms of number of girls and venues). You could probably fit the whole AC scene into Pattaya soi 7 & 8. Pattaya has a wide range of venues (agogo bars, beer bars, discos, soi 6 brothels, walking street, beach road freelancers, soapies, regular massage with extras), while Angeles seems to have mostly agogo/beer bars. Angeles is a one-trick pony, a dirty and somewhat dangerous shithole.

Pattaya is a much larger city, has a beach and tons more to do except monger. If you're not there for sex and drinking (or if you're on breaks between sex sessions), there's not much else to do.

In my view, the only advantage of Angeles is that Filipinas are more genuinely desperate to get out of the place than Thais (who'd prefer to stay home and have you send money) , so if you're over 50 you have a significantly higher chance of landing a genuine bargirl (or even regular low-class girl) girlfriend, up to and including having her move to your country. Even if you don't go that far, no matter how old or decrepit you are, you'll still be sought after in the Philippines, while in Thailand they might string you on, but they tend to have better options.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg; 1374322]My Buddy just had an outcall from DD a few days ago. He was overall satisfied with the service. Buddy told me:

- Lady got an "A" for effort though overall somewhat mechanical (especially the BJ).

- She wanted to use her strap-on to penetrate him, but he refused to her disappointment.

- He booked the B 3, 500 outcall Lady without first having met / interviewing her, and as it turned out she hardly spoke any English which was a major drawback.

- The outcall is for 22:00. 06:00 but my Buddy asked her to leave around 08:00.

Buddy and me had been in the day before and met the manager Dave (?). Dave was very knowledgeable and patient in answering all of Buddy's questions. When Buddy picked up the Lady at 22:00 the next night (you can have the girl meet at 22:00 at your hotel room but Buddy opted to meet her at DD) the other manager (don't know his name, but both him & Dave (?) are half-Thai, half-Caucasian and Dave is a husky guy while his co-manager is a normal build) was also professional and easy to work with.

I don't do DD as I'm a cheap charlie but based on my observations DD is still a well-run place that emphasizes customer satisfaction.[/QUOTE]Unless you are a total novice, why would anyone book a girl for that price w / o even have met her first?

Whatever. It actually doesn't sound that great of a time to me. DD is big into shoving crap up your ass. Just sounds like a hemorrhoid or anal fissure maker to me. No thanks.

Has anyone visited one of these venues. I have seen 2, one above the Indian restaurant on beach road called Maharaja restaurant and the other on 2nd road. Are the dancers Indian or Thai and can one take them out. Or is it full of old bags

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1374129]Are Pattaya and Angeles City in the Philippines much the same?[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Yes they are both monger destinations of the first order. No they are very different in style, feel, and atmosphere. Yes the girls you find in both towns are hookers. No, Thai girls and Filipinas are very different in looks, performance, and attitudes.

1. AC is not any more dangerous than Pattaya if you stay on compass. Fields and Perimeter bars are great. There is no reason to wander far afield late at night.

2. Thai food is superior, but you can eat reasonably well in AC.

3 Although Pattaya has 10x more girls and bars, there are a ton of women in AC. They will not run short, ever. Supply exponentially exceeds demand. I have been to AC 3 times. I still have visited less than one third of the bars I eventually plan to visit. I have visited Pattaya 8 times and will never experience more than 15% of the bars in Pat.

4. Pattaya gets boring after a while too and who can stand the straight tourists clogging up Walking Street in high season. It has become a gawker's paradise freak show. AC is for mongers only. A strong selling point.

5. If you like Pattaya, you owe it to yourself to visit AC at least once and compare. If you like AC, you owe it to yourself to visit Pattaya at least once and compare. I like both towns. I highly recommend breaking up an Asian trip by spending time in both places. This is very easy and inexpensive to accomplish thanks to direct flights straight into Clark from BKK. The bottom line: Filipinas are very different than Thai girls. Both nationalities have their plus and minus points. A seasoned well-travelled punter will want to sample from both pools. Variety is the spice of life.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1374585]5. If you like Pattaya, you owe it to yourself to visit AC at least once and compare. If you like AC, you owe it to yourself to visit Pattaya at least once and compare. I like both towns. I highly recommend breaking up an Asian trip by spending time in both places. This is very easy and inexpensive to accomplish thanks to direct flights straight into Clark from BKK. The bottom line: Filipinas are very different than Thai girls. Both nationalities have their plus and minus points. A seasoned well-travelled punter will want to sample from both pools. Variety is the spice of life.[/QUOTE]So how would you characterize the differences between Thai and Filipina ladies? Looks? Personality? Performance?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1374445]Angeles is a one-trick pony, a dirty and somewhat dangerous shithole.[/QUOTE]Why do you consider AC more dangerous than Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1374585]Yes and no. Yes they are both monger destinations of the first order. No they are very different in style, feel, and atmosphere. Yes the girls you find in both towns are hookers. No, Thai girls and Filipinas are very different in looks, performance, and attitudes.[/QUOTE]What's the difference between Thai & AC girls in looks, performance & attitudes?

I've heard PI ladies are more passionate, busty, into LT & possessive, while TGs are prettier.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1374585]Walking Street in high season. It has become a gawker's paradise freak show. AC is for mongers only. A strong selling point.

If you like AC, you owe it to yourself to visit Pattaya at least once and compare. I like both towns. I highly recommend breaking up an Asian trip by spending time in both places.[/QUOTE]Agreed! What I do on most trips is split the time between the two countries, you only need several days in each town and then move on, keeps you stimulated with a far more intense experience overall. Over a two week period one can even spend a few days in Bangkok and Manila, can't wait for the next trip in just a few days. Doing this sounds expensive for the budget minded, however, it is easily doable on a moderate budget, I have developed the [b]skills[/b] To travel at the minimal cost.

I tend to stay away from Walking streets, not one for crowds. AC also has GAWKER's st

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1374445]Angeles is a one-trick pony, a dirty and somewhat dangerous shithole.[/QUOTE]Yes Angles is about the bar girl scene but why do you say dangerous? I just spent 5 days there, first time vist, and never felt in danger whatsoever. If you don't do stupid things and stay in the areas that sane people would stay you will be just fine. Would you walk Watts in LA? The closest thing to crime I saw were guys that were literally falling down drunk being helped out of the bars by multiple bar girls. I'm sure those sessions didn't end well. And that's the headline or report everyone will base their conclusions from. Not really fair.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374744]Yes Angles is... ...but why do you say dangerous?... [/QUOTE]Walk up Perimeter at night alone and you would probably know.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374744]Yes Angles is about the bar girl scene but why do you say dangerous? I just spent 5 days there, first time vist, and never felt in danger whatsoever.[/QUOTE]AC is dangerous for who? I'm a black guy and I have never seen anything dangerous about AC, unless it dangerous from overdosing on pussy. If they love the white guys so much around there how'd it get to be so dangerous for them? I live in Pattaya and will walk all up and down Beach Road all night alone, no danger there either. I've been in the slums of India, Brazil, Colombia and I'm still missing the danger. Maybe I'm just real lucky, but not lucky enough to win the lottery.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1374768]AC is dangerous for who? I'm a black guy and I have never seen anything dangerous about AC, unless it dangerous from overdosing on pussy. If they love the white guys so much around there how'd it get to be so dangerous for them? I live in Pattaya and will walk all up and down Beach Road all night alone, no danger there either. I've been in the slums of India, Brazil, Colombia and I'm still missing the danger. Maybe I'm just real lucky, but not lucky enough to win the lottery.[/QUOTE]I don't see where this danger is.

Tiger 888, Walk on the south side of Chicago and you will feel the same danger. Go to Baltimore, DC, NYC, or the favelas in Rio or some areas in Meddelin, there are areas you would go to and there are areas one would wonder why you are going there. As I said I would never go to Watts.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1374762]Walk up Perimeter at night alone and you would probably know.[/QUOTE]I've walked all over including Perimeter at night alone. I usually travel by myself and I do just fine. Most people aren't dumb and they weight the risks vs rewards.

"They'll probably guess your estimate worth of everything on you" + "how much of a struggle you'll put up" = "Are you worth jacking or mugging?"

YG

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1374744]Yes Angles is about the bar girl scene but why do you say dangerous? I just spent 5 days there, first time vist, and never felt in danger whatsoever. If you don't do stupid things and stay in the areas that sane people would stay you will be just fine.[/QUOTE]

Most people go to Pattaya or Angeles specifically to do stupid things we tend not to do back home. Get drunk, drop their guard a bit, and most importantly, spend time with hookers (and be in close proximity to all the lowlife associated with them -- boyfriends/pimps, drug dealers, addicts and so on). The difference is, in Pattaya it usually takes a lot of effort to get into serious trouble, whereas in Angeles all it takes is venturing few hundred meters away from the small Fields Ave drag at the wrong time.

Of course, you're right, with a bit of awareness and some luck you could be just fine in Angeles, it's not a war zone.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1374779]I don't see where this danger is.

Tiger 888, Walk on the south side of Chicago and you will feel the same danger. Go to Baltimore, DC, NYC, or the favelas in Rio or some areas in Meddelin, there are areas you would go to and there are areas one would wonder why you are going there. As I said I would never go to Watts.[/QUOTE]Who cares about the US. We are in Asia. And the Phlippines are definitely one of the more dangerous countries. I'd rate Angeles less safe than Pattaya, Manila less safe than Bangkok and Hong Kong and Singapore more safe than everywhere else.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1374796]Who cares about the US. We are in Asia. And the Phlippines are definitely one of the more dangerous countries. I'd rate Angeles less safe than Pattaya, Manila less safe than Bangkok and Hong Kong and Singapore more safe than everywhere else.[/QUOTE]For sure bro : I stumble blind-drunk (at times) mongering in the wee hours in the Sillypore red-light Geylang district for years and I have NEVER EVER felt any fear.

Crocodilexp, with alll due respect, I disagree with you. Most people go to Pat or AC to have a good time and to have a lot of sex with friendly bar girls. Sure a lot of alcohol is consumed. So what? There is nothing stupid in that. I think shagging a whole lot of women in a short amount of time is very healthy for ones psyche. It is true one can wonder all over Pattaya drunk late at night no problem. So I agree that Pattaya and BKK are both safer than AC, but punting in AC is definitely within reasonable 95% safety margins.

I have been punting in Asia a long, long time. I spend 100% of my time with the girls. I never come into social contact with BF's, pimps, or addicts. Your dark description of AC does not match my experience at all. The bars are 100% safe. Fields is 100% safe. Barhopping on Fields is 100% safe. The hotels are safe. The bar girls themselves are never a danger. The worst thing that will happen in AC is your girl will run out on the EWR after one shot. Lock your valuables up in the room safe. Take a trike if travelling late at night between Fields and Perimeter bar areas. By the way, the bar areas of Raymond and A Santos are safe as long as the bars are open. That's about all there is too it. Like anywhere in the world, if you go looking for trouble, I am sure you will find it. AC is no exception on that score.

Your statement that "with a bit of awareness and some luck you could be just fine in Angeles" is only part true. You don't need luck in order to be safe in AC. One just needs to exercise a little common sense. If something bad or physically threatening / dangerous happened to you personally in AC then tell us about it so we can understand what you are talking about. And let's take further discussion of AC safety or lack thereof over to the AC thread. I am pretty sure most board members over there will not agree with your position either. Let's find out.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1374796]Who cares about the US. We are in Asia. And the Phlippines are definitely one of the more dangerous countries. I'd rate Angeles less safe than Pattaya, Manila less safe than Bangkok and Hong Kong and Singapore more safe than everywhere else.[/QUOTE]Well you may be in Asia now. Unfortunately I have one more month before my release from sexual prison.

I agree that the PI is a more dangerous country than LOS, HKG, and Singapore, but to understand the degree of danger, comparisons help. I think AC can become dangerous over time to expats living there who become known to the bad guys, but not to short stay punters hanging out on Fields or Perimeter if they have any minimum level of common sense.

Hey Tiger, how would you compare AC to CP in terms of violent crime against foreigners. Manila is obviously more dangerous than BKK, but MNL does not seem more dangerous than any large American city and many Central and South American cities like Mexico City and Sao Paulo are far more dangerous. I feel fairly comfortable walking around Ermite / Malate, but I stay alert of my surroundings at all times which is something that is not required in BKK or Singapore.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1374819]...Hey Tiger, how would you compare AC to CP in terms of violent crime against foreigners...[/QUOTE]I consider CP to be more dangerous than AC. Dongguan and Shenzhen are the most dangerous areas in China because of all the migrant workers and many of them with nothing to lose. Haven't heard of kidnappers who beat the shit out of you until you give them your ATM pin in AC. Their targets are mainly the Singaporeans and HK Chinese, as they are not used to more dangerous places. But we should probably get our focus back on Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1374796]Who cares about the US. We are in Asia. And the Phlippines are definitely one of the more dangerous countries. I'd rate Angeles less safe than Pattaya, Manila less safe than Bangkok and Hong Kong and Singapore more safe than everywhere else.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me we're in Asia. Almost forgot where I was.

The point I was trying to make is if you walk around like a lamb going to slaughter you're going to get slaughtered no matter where you are.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate[/url]

AC or Pats don't make the top 50.

And take a look at some of these.

[url]http://chartsbin.com/view/1454[/url]

Philippines is a little more dangerous than the States.

But there's always the delicate little wall flowers that need to whine and worry about safety because they are walking around the world scared. I've been to Columbia many times. Their murder rate is 40 per 100K while the PI is 6. 4. Yes people get killed, mugged, and scammed.

Your world is a different word than the one I live in.

Have fun

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1374819]I agree that the PI is a more dangerous country than LOS, HKG, and Singapore, but to understand the degree of danger, comparisons help. I think AC can become dangerous over time to expats living there who become known to the bad guys, but not to short stay punters hanging out on Fields or Perimeter if they have any minimum level of common sense.[/QUOTE]Why should expats be any less safe than short stay punters?

If both are using common sense in AC or Pattaya, both should be equally keeping themselves out of harms way.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1374796]Who cares about the US. We are in Asia. And the Phlippines are definitely one of the more dangerous countries. I'd rate Angeles less safe than Pattaya, Manila less safe than Bangkok and Hong Kong and Singapore more safe than everywhere else.[/QUOTE]Spot on. When newcomer friends ask, I tell them that unless you act like a total idiot, Bangkok and Pattaya (never mind Singapore, HK, etc.) are essentially 100% safe. But in Manila or Angeles you can do everything right and there's still a small but real chance that you might run into trouble.

How this, or anything else, compares to the USA, I don't know and I doubt if most people here care.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1375350]Spot on. When newcomer friends ask, I tell them that unless you act like a total idiot, Bangkok and Pattaya (never mind Singapore, HK, etc.) are essentially 100% safe. But in Manila or Angeles you can do everything right and there's still a small but real chance that you might run into trouble.

How this, or anything else, compares to the USA, I don't know and I doubt if most people here care.[/QUOTE]What you say about the Philippines and in particular Manila and AC is true. While I have been to the P. I. Over 50 times in the past.

20 years, nothing personally misfortunate has ever happened to me, I do know several people who have been robbed, pickpocketed,

Mugged or scammed in some way.

Maybe I have been lucky or just fortuanate not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or perhaps I have taken some basic precautions like not getting blind drunk and wondering down some dark street in Milate or Ermita by myself late at night. Or I make sure that I never wear expensive jewellery out or carry large sums money on my person and keep all of my valuables locked in the hotel safe. Even though you are on holidays, you should make certain that 'pack' your common sense in your bag!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1375196]Why should expats be any less safe than short stay punters?

If both are using common sense in AC or Pattaya, both should be equally keeping themselves out of harms way.[/QUOTE]Because the longer you stay in a place the more you become known and the likeliness to get on someones radar for whatever reason increases.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1375500]Because the longer you stay in a place the more you become known and the likeliness to get on someones radar for whatever reason increases.[/QUOTE]IMHO it is the exact opposite. The more that people see you they become familiar with you and will NOT jack you. It's the total strangers that are getting jacked around Pattaya, not the people like me and LBM who live there. Everyday it's some Russian vacationer who has their bag or necklace snatched.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70878/hotel-security-prevents-russian-bag-snatch-north-pattaya/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70581/pattaya-tourist-police-arrest-suspect-russian-necklace-snatch-case/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70391/turkish-victim-central-pattaya-bag-snatch/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/70010/mobile-phone-snatch-suspect-caught-police-east-pattaya/[/url]

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/69711/suspects-arrested-south-pattaya-russian-street-robbery-case/[/url]

Now granted every so often you will see an expat who took a lady boy home and got drugged as was the case a couple of weeks ago.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/69706/2-ladyboys-arrested-russian-drugging-robbery-case-sattahip/[/url]

This is the news from the last two weeks. There are 5 robberies against visitors (one of them even a Thai vacationer) and only 1 against a resident. And as I said, the only reason the resident was robbed is because he took lady boys home.

[QUOTE=Betong;1375350]But in Manila or Angeles you can do everything right and there's still a small but real chance that you might run into trouble.[/QUOTE]Agree.

You can turn around after you grab cash at an ATM in Manila or AC and have a gun in your face. Not going to happen in BKK or Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1375609]You can turn around after you grab cash at an ATM in Manila or AC and have a gun in your face. Not going to happen in BKK or Pattaya![/QUOTE]In Pattaya they get you with a knife in your apartment.

No witnesses. Guy too old to fight back. PI crooks should take lessons.

[url]http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/68261/german-murdered-jomtien-condominium/[/url]

Making my annual trip to Pattaya in early September, not sure if it's just luck, but have only had one day where is rained like a ***** for a couple hours. Wondered how the season is in the July timeframe?

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1376436]Making my annual trip to Pattaya in early September, not sure if it's just luck, but have only had one day where is rained like a ***** for a couple hours. Wondered how the season is in the July timeframe?[/QUOTE]Hi Nixonbd,

Did you go early September 2012 as well (8-15)? I did and I had this one evening where there was what I would describe as a big thunder storm. Meaning lots of lightning and lots of rain. Perhaps it lasted 3-6 hours.

From what I have learned from friends and people I have talked to in Patts and online weather in June and Juli is usually better then in September. Meaning that rain is less likely in July then in September.

September and October are the months where rain is most likely. Still I went and, even though it was intense, it only rained for 1 evening out of 7 so weather should not be an issue I guess.

According to the following site rain is pretty much double in September compared to July: [url]http://thailandforvisitors.com/east/pattaya/practical-information/weather.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1376436]Making my annual trip to Pattaya in early September, not sure if it's just luck, but have only had one day where is rained like a ***** for a couple hours. Wondered how the season is in the July timeframe?[/QUOTE]Sorry man. What kind of a question is that?

We can predict the weather for you in July? You want us to suggest what clothes you should wear also? Why don't you search it and check the numerous sites that give previous weather patterns for every city in the world.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1376231]In Pattaya they get you with a knife in your apartment.[/QUOTE]Still pretty rare, and even then it's almost always an inside job: someone you yourself let into your place, or somebody they know.

There are no reliable stats for crime in Pattaya (believe me, it's part of my job and I've looked) , though anecdotally it certainly seems that crime is on the upswing. But remember, Pattaya is now a huge place. It's soon to be the second biggest city in Thailand and still growing fast, and filled with more clueless tourists, expats, retirees etc than maybe the rest of the country combined. So all in all, per capita, it's probably not a particularly dangerous place, unless you're a total muppet. That can't be said of either Manila or AC.

[QUOTE=Betong; 1376696]Still pretty rare, and even then it's almost always an inside job: someone you yourself let into your place, or somebody they know.

There are no reliable stats for crime in Pattaya (believe me, it's part of my job and I've looked) , though anecdotally it certainly seems that crime is on the upswing. But remember, Pattaya is now a huge place. It's soon to be the second biggest city in Thailand and still growing fast, and filled with more clueless tourists, expats, retirees etc than maybe the rest of the country combined. So all in all, per capita, it's probably not a particularly dangerous place, unless you're a total muppet. That can't be said of either Manila or AC.[/QUOTE]AC is also full of "tourists, expats, retirees", though I can't comment on their relative "cluelessness" to those in Pattaya.

Perhaps they are more street smart out of necessity & in so doing make themselves as safe as those in Pattaya who don't take precautions & let their guard down, assuming themselves to be safe because they are in Thailand or Pattaya.

From what I've read of the bar area on Fields Avenue in AC, one would have to be at least a semi "total muppet" to run into trouble there. As a sex traveller in the PI or AC there would be no need to go anywhere else, except trips to & from the airport.

The following news report said the number of murders in AC was below the world, USA, and Thailand averages:

[url]http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297[/url]

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1374849]A quick perusal through the pattayadailynews. Com would make you think manila was a playground. Guys falling off buildings on a daily basis, BG's doing same. Drugs, road accidents, drownings. Pattaya really seems to have it all according to the news reports.[/QUOTE]BTW I seem to recall reading quite a few incidents in the news re robbed, assaulted and murdered foreigners in Phuket.

i have been in pattaya a few days. it seems basic prices are 1, 000 short time. 2,000 long time for bar girls, gogo bar fine 600, sometimes 300 later, beer bar fine 300. freelancers on beach road 500 st. often more is asked, but these prices are fairly easy to get.

i may be unlucky, but two girls have refused to suck my cock without a condom. (and there is nothing obviously wrong with it.) have bbbj's become a speciality of soi 6 and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]?

one of them (from a gogo bar) also tried to up the agreed price of 2k lt when at the point of penetration. in future i will write down the price before paying the bar fine, so there is no excuse for misunderstandings. but i do not know how to make it clear about the bbbj.

i have tried google translate but get very different results between single words and phrases and whole sentences. maybe 'i want a blow job without condom' is translating as 'i want work outside medicines in the wind'. in any case, there is no way of recording the spoken version to practice, and my accent would probably mangle it anyway.

i will try to get things clear with the mamasan before paying the bar fine in future. but any help with useful words and phrases would be appreciated. more generally, is there a guide to talking dirty in thai anywhere? maybe a language thread should be opened.

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1377041]But any help with useful words and phrases would be appreciated. More generally, is there a guide to talking dirty in Thai anywhere? Maybe a language thread should be opened.[/QUOTE]Try this, Jimbo:

Sa_ mok mai\ sai / toong/

"Smoke" is Thai slang for suck cock and mai (high tone) sai (rising tone) toong (rising tone) means not wear condom.

A few years back I posted Daddy's Thai Language Phrase List.

Here it is again in PDF format.

Enjoy,

Daddy

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1377041]I have tried Google translate but get very different results between single words and phrases and whole sentences. Maybe 'I want a blow job without condom' is translating as 'I want work outside medicines in the wind'. In any case, there is no way of recording the spoken version to practice, and my accent would probably mangle it anyway.[/QUOTE]Google Translate is pretty poor when it comes to Thai.

"Orm mai sai condom na" means "suck on it without a condom, O. K?"."Orm" rhymes with "warm".

But really Thai working girls ought to have enough basic English to understand this:

"Blowjob with no condom, O. K?".

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1377218]But really Thai working girls ought to have enough basic English to understand this:"Blowjob with no condom, O. K?".[/QUOTE]As well as "smoking no condom" as they also use "smoking" to describe the BJ service

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1377041]I will try to get things clear with the mamasan before paying the bar fine in future. But any help with useful words and phrases would be appreciated. More generally, is there a guide to talking dirty in Thai anywhere? Maybe a language thread should be opened.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the various replies. I have overcome my natural meanness to take out a subscription so I can download Daddy07's language guide.

The problem is not that the girls don't understand, but that they can pretend not to when convenient. They know they are in a good bargaining position once you have bought a couple of drinks, paid the bar fine, and its already after midnight.

I'm beginning to think that while gogo bars with cheap beer are OK for entertainment, its best to find a girl on Beach Road on the way back to the hotel.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1377169]Try this, Jimbo:

Sa_ mok mai\ sai / toong/

"Smoke" is Thai slang for suck cock and mai (high tone) sai (rising tone) toong (rising tone) means not wear condom.

A few years back I posted Daddy's Thai Language Phrase List.

Here it is again in PDF format.

Enjoy,

Daddy[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, I've been mongering around S. E. A. For about 10 years and English has always worked for me. I do speak, Thai and Khmer (K'mai) but have never had a girl use a condom who told me she "smoked"or ÿum yummed" LOL What has changed in prices and Thai girls have lost that loving feeling. Like the Vietnamese more and more, get it done and get out.

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1377483]I'm beginning to think that while gogo bars with cheap beer are OK for entertainment, its best to find a girl on Beach Road on the way back to the hotel.[/QUOTE]Do you really think you can find similar looking girls on Beach Road as in the bars?

I am looking to.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1370206&viewfull=1#post1370206[/url]

And can not wait until March (when I am coming to Pattaya) in a hope that I can see (never mind do) one of those stunners! Of course you take a risk on the service, but at least you know the outside.

BTW. Thank you Pimpin Sam for your report. It is short, but one picture replaces thousands of words to me.

[QUOTE=JimboJ;1377041]I may be unlucky, but two girls have refused to suck my cock without a condom. (And there is nothing obviously wrong with it.)[/QUOTE]Where did you find these girls?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1377815]Where did you find these girls?[/QUOTE]Both in gogo bars. One in Queens on LK Metro, call Lek, which isn't much help, and she isn't small.

The other I will not try to identify, since we were both drunk, and I'm not sure what happened. But things went from bad to worse once we established that there would be no BBBJ.

My mistake was to buy her too many drinks. She seemed OK in the bar, but once out into the fetid air of BR she could hardly walk.

BTW, I was here twenty years ago, and do not remember the girls drinking or smoking. Lady drinks were a thimble full of coke. Now most of them. Waitresses included. Want to get out of their heads on shots of what is supposed to be tequila.

As for Lek, its not a matter of the particular girl, but the MO. Modus operandi, how to part you from your money as quickly as possible. I went back last night and saw her working the magic on another sucker, who was physically the opposite of me, so IMO repulsive. Having noticed you eyeing her more than the other girls, she comes over, because. You naturally assume. She finds you so attractive. She then persuades you to do an early bar fine, promising anything you want. The lesson is do not do an early bar fine unless you get a very good deal in writing.

Last night I hung about until a bar closed and managed to meet a girl from it on BR without any fine. There were lots of alternatives around at half the price, but at least I was fairly sure I was getting a girl. And everything went well.

BTW2 Gogo girls are very quick to notice you eyeing them, and share information. Back at Queens last night the IMO second most attractive girl of the night before came to tell me how much she liked sucking cock. Lek must have advised her of the business opportunity.

[QUOTE=Yuri B; 1377700]Do you really think you can find similar looking girls on Beach Road as in the bars?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1370206&viewfull=1#post1370206[/url]

There are lots of beautiful girls on Beach Road. Most of them are men, but what do you expect for 500 baht?

There are plenty of the Pimping Sam photo standard, and these are more likely to be girls. But beware. I once took a pleasant but ordinary looking girl back and the receptionist did not realise until she looked at the I'd card that she wasn't.

Could someone explain how to read the gender on ID cards?

Girls in gogo bars are generally more attractive than BR girls. But it can be entertaining to search.

Another problem is that BR can be empty at midnight if the police do a sweep. (Apparently they can fine the girls 100b for loitering). Last night I was there at 2. 30 and it was packed with attractive looking girls.

[QUOTE=Yuri B; 1377700]Do you really think you can find similar looking girls on Beach Road as in the bars?

I am looking to.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1370206&viewfull=1#post1370206[/url]

And can not wait until March (when I am coming to Pattaya) in a hope that I can see (never mind do) one of those stunners! Of course you take a risk on the service, but at least you know the outside.

BTW. Thank you Pimpin Sam for your report. It is short, but one picture replaces thousands of words to me.[/QUOTE]You may be in for some disappointments and poor service. But as long as they are good looking, it sounds like you will be happy.

Its your money.

[QUOTE=JimboJ; 1377483]Thanks for the various replies. I have overcome my natural meanness to take out a subscription so I can download Daddy07's language guide.

The problem is not that the girls don't understand, but that they can pretend not to when convenient. They know they are in a good bargaining position once you have bought a couple of drinks, paid the bar fine, and its already after midnight.

I'm beginning to think that while gogo bars with cheap beer are OK for entertainment, its best to find a girl on Beach Road on the way back to the hotel.[/QUOTE]Are you from India? JUST KIDDING!

I have hit 100's of these girls. Maybe 1000. Every girl knows,"blow job no condom". I think I have been refused maybe 2 times on BBBJ. But I remember one girl would do BBFS, but not BBBJ. Go figure.

As far a Beach Road. I have never had a girl not do BBBJ from Beach Road. Just make it clear though what you want. I always say what I want, then repeat it and the price just so everything is clear.

What time do the shifts at most gogos on Walking Street end?

[QUOTE=Dante2;1378284]What time do the shifts at most gogos on Walking Street end?[/QUOTE]Most of 'them close at 3 am. A few (such as What's Up) close at 4 am.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1378284]What time do the shifts at most gogos on Walking Street end?[/QUOTE]Highly variable: If they are having a slow night, they may let some or all of the girls go early. If the police are being more police-like they may close earlier to avoid headaches. Not to mention alot of the girls try to duck out early if they can.

Typically things start slowing down around 01:30 but most places are open till 02:00. From 02:00 to 04:00 you get a slow cascade of gogo's closing. Good time for people watching 02:00-04:00.

[QUOTE=BambiJacobson; 1376462]Hi Nixonbd,

Did you go early September 2012 as well (8-15)? I did and I had this one evening where there was what I would describe as a big thunder storm. Meaning lots of lightning and lots of rain. Perhaps it lasted 3-6 hours.

From what I have learned from friends and people I have talked to in Patts and online weather in June and Juli is usually better then in September. Meaning that rain is less likely in July then in September.

September and October are the months where rain is most likely. Still I went and, even though it was intense, it only rained for 1 evening out of 7 so weather should not be an issue I guess.

According to the following site rain is pretty much double in September compared to July:

[url]http://thailandforvisitors.com/east/pattaya/practical-information/weather.php[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, I think that was the time-frame. Just curious, sometimes those historical weather sites don't tell the full story.

If it were not for someone in this section or thread mentioning "Fields Avenue in AC" I probably would not have been able to figure out that AC stands for Angeles City in the Philippines. Even so, it required a Google search, since I didn't find it on the Abbreviations page of this web site. It seems we too often go overboard with abbreviations and acronyms.

(My uppercase AC in the title is being changed to lowercase by this web site's automatic editing software.)

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1377947]Are you from India? JUST KIDDING!

I have hit 100's of these girls. Maybe 1000. Every girl knows,"blow job no condom". I think I have been refused maybe 2 times on BBBJ. But I remember one girl would do BBFS, but not BBBJ. Go figure.

As far a Beach Road. I have never had a girl not do BBBJ from Beach Road. Just make it clear though what you want. I always say what I want, then repeat it and the price just so everything is clear.[/QUOTE]What would you say is a fair price for a BBBJ from a freelancer on Beach Road and do you start negotiating lower?

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad; 1378727]If it were not for someone in this section or thread mentioning "Fields Avenue in AC" I probably would not have been able to figure out that AC stands for Angeles City in the Philippines. Even so, it required a Google search, since I didn't find it on the Abbreviations page of this web site. It seems we too often go overboard with abbreviations and acronyms.

(My uppercase AC in the title is being changed to lowercase by this web site's automatic editing software.) [/QUOTE]Bravo! So you did what most of us hope many would do. You took 15 seconds of your valuable time, and searched it.

Many of us who post often are not going to take the time every post to spell every word or abbreviation related to this hobby.

If a search is made and no info obtained, I am sure guys on here will assist you.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1378284]What time do the shifts at most gogos on Walking Street end?[/QUOTE]HAHA. Just had to laugh. Its a legit question, just the word "shift". Are you a cop or just punch a clock?

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1378743]HAHA. Just had to laugh. Its a legit question, just the word "shift". Are you a cop or just punch a clock?[/QUOTE]I've seen plenty of bars in Pattaya where the girls have to check in by the punch clock method.

[QUOTE=JimboJ; 1377922]Both in gogo bars. One in Queens on LK Metro, call Lek, which isn't much help, and she isn't small.

The other I will not try to identify, since we were both drunk, and I'm not sure what happened. But things went from bad to worse once we established that there would be no BBBJ.

My mistake was to buy her too many drinks. She seemed OK in the bar, but once out into the fetid air of BR she could hardly walk.

BTW, I was here twenty years ago, and do not remember the girls drinking or smoking. Lady drinks were a thimble full of coke. Now most of them. Waitresses included. Want to get out of their heads on shots of what is supposed to be tequila.

As for Lek, its not a matter of the particular girl, but the MO. Modus operandi, how to part you from your money as quickly as possible. I went back last night and saw her working the magic on another sucker, who was physically the opposite of me, so IMO repulsive. Having noticed you eyeing her more than the other girls, she comes over, because. You naturally assume. She finds you so attractive. She then persuades you to do an early bar fine, promising anything you want. The lesson is do not do an early bar fine unless you get a very good deal in writing.

Last night I hung about until a bar closed and managed to meet a girl from it on BR without any fine. There were lots of alternatives around at half the price, but at least I was fairly sure I was getting a girl. And everything went well.

BTW2 Gogo girls are very quick to notice you eyeing them, and share information. Back at Queens last night the IMO second most attractive girl of the night before came to tell me how much she liked sucking cock. Lek must have advised her of the business opportunity.[/QUOTE]Jimbo, that is funny I did the same thing in "I Love NY" went to Pattaya for a month for my birthday last year. I'm partying with these 3 real cute 20-21 year old girls; we're bonding back the drinks, the girls are doing Tequila shots and I'm licking the salt off their tits etc.

The end of the night comes around about 3am I think I'm going home with these 3 cuties. I get my bar bill 6000 Baht, wow. No problem it's my birthday walk out the door with the girls and turn around they're gone. Fuckin bitches made a killing on lady drinks from me, then they all took off to home to see their Thai boyfriends.

Next night I go back and they want to do it again, no way so I pick one and we have a few drinks, I bar fine her 1000 Baht, she wanted 2000. I said well we'll see if you earn it. I get her back to my Condo and she's pretty buzzed, me too. So she hits my bar for another couple shots, Ok. Then she's really buzzed I start taking her gear off and she says stop I'm too drunk. What? No way so I tell her lay down we'll have a sleep and I'll treat you like the dirty **** you are in the morning.

She lays down for a bit then gets up goes to the bathroom pukes, comes out and says,"I got to go." What? So I'm doing my best to make her stay, but she calls her Thai boyfriend to come and get her. I'm pissed, she says,"No problem I don't have to pay her anything." I bar fined you oh, you get it back tomorrow.

I'm still arguing with her the her BF shows up and I kicked her in the ass and sent her on her way.

I don't remember Pattaya GoGo girls being like this 7 years ago when I lived there, sent this monger back to old school.

But I did have a good time a lot of the young girls don't like sucking dick, hhhhmmm. I think about how much fun I could have had in Cambodia with the amount of money I spent in Pattaya.

Thai girls have lost that loving feeling that use to make them so famous; they're much like the Vietnamese now, but don't suck cock like a VN girl. It's all about money it's all business to them now. At least that's what I found in Pattaya.

Bangkok different story had a great 3 some my last time there. Little strange one girl like to only suck and the other I banged her brains out. Then I asked the other one if she wanted some cock too? She said,"No, my cock was too big." Well that made me want to fuck her even more, hell I ain't that big. I finally did get in her and she said it hurt don't use it all. Well that kind of talk is going to make me come for sure. Anyway off topic here, but it was something I wanted to share.

See ya in BKK in March, Soi Cowboy, until then I'm roughing it out in PP, LOL