Sao Paulo Reports

I wonder if my two bits might be helpful for the Porto-challenged? I don't find learning languages easy but after so many years in Br for months at a time some sort of ability became innate.

My thoughts.

A simply tape for one's first trip, listened to over and over on the plane. Then you at least can seem polite when you arrive and your bom dias and obrigados won't sound forced or incomprehensible. Bring a pocket phrase book. Speak gently. Not loud.

Pick a useful word or phrase before leaving the apartment each day. Use it as many times as you can before getting back that day.

If you can afford Pimsleur, just play it over while doing some chores. It will at least get you acclimatised to reasonable intonation. When you practice saying something, imagine you are Brazilian (sounds crazy but I found it helps to imitate the speech muscles the way the language is spoken). Only for speaking purposes, don't pretend to be Brazilian!

Cariocas are the best to listen to as they over-emphasise and dramatise and they are more expressive when talking, which helps to convey meaning.

After a week or two, hang out in low life bars. Drink cola. Other people will talk slower after a drink giving you slightly more time to understand. Stand at the bar even so you overhear conversations. Learn some slang, not rude stuff, and when it's used. Later, ask your chica or even a shop assistant to confirm if you are using it correctly. Only practice rude stuff during a session of course.

If you can get an ordinary chica to hang out with you who doesn't speak much English she will help as you'll have no choice but to learn some Porto.

There are two other groups of chicas broadly speaking who speak English. Ones who are educated (and can explain things) and ones that live or work in Copa. The Copa ones talk tourist town English. Otherwise, SaoPaulo.

Brazilian Portuguese evolves. They like making words up. Adding -inho or -inha to the end of words (as diminutive) is fun.

Enjoy.

This is great advice below on how and where to pick-up Portuguese. One caveat though: I did the Pimsleur audio courses after I had made many trips to Brazil. Pimsleur requires a bit more engagement. So one needs to be committed to making regular visits to Brazil to make it worthwhile.

And yes, hanging out with garotas who don't speak much English accelerates learning the language.

Yep, Pimsleur is a pretty good Portuguese language course and was what I started out with at first. I later moved on to use Michel Thomas Method (MTM) Portuguese course and found it a bit more explanatory in Portuguese conversational usage. MTM is a bit more Portugal Portuguese focused on pronunciation. Both are good to purchase and you won't be disappointed with either.

If you're not sure which one to go with, you may be able to test drive copies at your local library.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2446573]If you're not sure which one to go with, you may be able to test drive copies at your local library.[/QUOTE]Haha, TD is a term the locals use.

Have you test driven your favorite librarian?

I landed in SP this week and at GRU airport masks were optional and half the airport is closed. Kinda scary and the government just extended the entry restriction to May 28. I can see the Real hitting 6.0.

I thought they would give me hard time at the passport checkpoint but the girl did not say a word to me with my BR document. Seems the guys at passport check want to ask questions more.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2447439]I landed in SP this week and at GRU airport masks were optional and half the airport is closed. Kinda scary and the government just extended the entry restriction to May 28. I can see the Real hitting 6.0.

I thought they would give me hard time at the passport checkpoint but the girl did not say a word to me with my BR document. Seems the guys at passport check want to ask questions more.[/QUOTE]According to embassy entry is closed except for people in these categories.

Brazilian citizens, born or naturalized.

Permanent residents of Brazil.

Foreign professionals employed by a non-governmental aid organization recognized by the Brazilian government.

Foreign officials accredited by the Brazilian government.

Spouse, domestic partner, son or daughter, father or mother, or caregiver of a Brazilian citizen.

Any person whose entrance into Brazil is deemed by the government to be in the public interest.

Travelers in transit in one of the following categories:

Cargo delivery.

International passengers making a connection who do not leave the international transit area.

Passengers required to disembark for aircraft refueling or repairs.

Flight crews.

Are you in one of those categories or are you suggesting they are not enforcing these restrictions?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2447810]According to embassy entry is closed except for people in these categories.

Brazilian citizens, born or naturalized.

Permanent residents of Brazil.

Foreign professionals employed by a non-governmental aid organization recognized by the Brazilian government.

Foreign officials accredited by the Brazilian government.

Spouse, domestic partner, son or daughter, father or mother, or caregiver of a Brazilian citizen.

Any person whose entrance into Brazil is deemed by the government to be in the public interest.

Travelers in transit in one of the following categories:

Cargo delivery.

International passengers making a connection who do not leave the international transit area.

Passengers required to disembark for aircraft refueling or repairs.

Flight crews.

Are you in one of those categories or are you suggesting they are not enforcing these restrictions?[/QUOTE]In my original post I said I gave them my BR document so yes I am in one of those categories.

According to the US consulate in BR, it is extended to May 28 but it does not say May 28 on the BR Consulate website. Need to confirm the date.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2447862]In my original post I said I gave them my BR document so yes I am in one of those categories.

According to the US consulate in BR, it is extended to May 28 but it does not say May 28 on the BR Consulate website. Need to confirm the date.[/QUOTE]Sorry that was not clear in your first post that is why I asked for clarification. Any type of visa, even a tourist visa can be considered a "BR document", so "BR document was ambiguous and I was confused, as there have been conflicting reports on this site re travel.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2447810]According to embassy entry is closed except for people in these categories.

Brazilian citizens, born or naturalized.

Permanent residents of Brazil.

Foreign professionals employed by a non-governmental aid organization recognized by the Brazilian government.

Foreign officials accredited by the Brazilian government.

Spouse, domestic partner, son or daughter, father or mother, or caregiver of a Brazilian citizen.

Any person whose entrance into Brazil is deemed by the government to be in the public interest.

Travelers in transit in one of the following categories:

Cargo delivery.

International passengers making a connection who do not leave the international transit area.

Passengers required to disembark for aircraft refueling or repairs.

Flight crews.

Are you in one of those categories or are you suggesting they are not enforcing these restrictions?[/QUOTE]Hopefully, in addition to your helpful post, the following link will help others have a clear perspective on those details. Plus it basically includes information from the majority of countries within the world, not just Brazil. Just scroll down to whatever country you are interested in. [URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm[/URL].

BTW, Brazil has extended there ban on allowing regular tourists from entering Brazil for an additional 30 days from the original closure, which now goes to the 28th of May. That being said, who is to say they may have another extension after that depending on the statistics and the flattening of the curve. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2446730] haha, TD is a term the locals use.

Have you test driven your favorite librarian?[/QUOTE]I too absolutely love the Brazilian colloquial term 'test drive' and decided long ago to co-opt it as my own...haha.

But speaking of 'librarians', reminds me (back in the day 2004?) of a short thin morena cutie in Fortaleza with average looks and a [b] very nice rack [/b] (I won't soon forget), that I lived with for about a month, who was studying to become a history teacher and just loved the library. Well not exactly 'test driving' my favorite librarian as you put it, but close enough...kkk

Thanks for the memories!! I hadn't thought about her in a while...Ahhh, yes that rack of hers!!!...kkk

[i][center]Liberian girl
You came and you changed my world
A love so brand new
Liberian girl
You came and you changed my world
A feeling so true
. . .
"Do you love me"
And he says so endlessly
"I love you, Liberian girl"[/center][/i][i][b][right]....MJ R.I.P. [/b][/right][/i]

[QUOTE=Mangera;2448339]clear perspective on those details. Plus it basically includes information from the majority of countries within the world, not just Brazil. Just scroll down to whatever country you are interested in. [URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm[/URL].s.[/QUOTE]That site might be useful if was updated, and it doesn't contain the information you need while considering buying a flight. Only way is to check the embassies and consulates direct. Or start by checking the USA State Dept. Site:

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/COVID-19-Country-Specific-Information.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2448384]That site might be useful if was updated, and it doesn't contain the information you need while considering buying a flight. Only way is to check the embassies and consulates direct. Or start by checking the USA State Dept. Site:

[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/COVID-19-Country-Specific-Information.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The link I provided is the same one American airlines is providing on their website travelers, as well as the one you provided. As for considering buying a flight, customers are in a good situation considering American Airlines current flexible policy. There is less risk, and more flexibility considering the circumstances. On a related topic, even Airbnb is being more flexible with their policies for both hosts and potential guests.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2448466]The link I provided is the same one American airlines is providing on their website travelers, as well as the one you provided. As for considering buying a flight, customers are in a good situation considering American Airlines current flexible policy. There is less risk, and more flexibility considering the circumstances. [/QUOTE]Sounds like American is a bit more generous to their customers than United which had cancelled two flights of mine (thus far) offering only to reschedule without 'penalty' fee, with customer paying the fare differential (that is certainly to be higher). For roundtrips, though, the fares are so front-loaded on the departure leg, it's hardly worth opting for a refund for the return (at least with United) if you can reasonably reschedule.

For traveler information: the Embassies have been pretty good about posting updates.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2448474]Sounds like American is a bit more generous to their customers than United which had cancelled two flights of mine (thus far) offering only to reschedule without 'penalty' fee, with customer paying the fare differential (that is certainly to be higher). For roundtrips, though, the fares are so front-loaded on the departure leg, it's hardly worth opting for a refund for the return (at least with United) if you can reasonably reschedule.

For traveler information: the Embassies have been pretty good about posting updates.[/QUOTE][URL]https://step.state.gov/[/URL]

Signup for important emails for the countries you fly to.

Airfare on United are getting expensive as they block off seats for social distancing. Gate agent said they are resuming flights from Newark and Chicago sometime in June.

There were only international 2 flights out of GRU last night, United and Latam.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2448049]Sorry that was not clear in your first post that is why I asked for clarification. Any type of visa, even a tourist visa can be considered a "BR document", so "BR document was ambiguous and I was confused, as there have been conflicting reports on this site re travel.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not a problem, but people with US passports no longer need a visitor visa to enter BR.

I thought I would share my smooth experience for those that read how difficult it was for other people that entered with BR documents.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2448529][URL]https://step.state.gov/[/URL]

Signup for important emails for the countries you fly to. There were only international 2 flights out of GRU last night, United and Latam.[/QUOTE]It's the flight in situation that we need the latest updates for. Here's a website to bookmark:

[URL]https://pandemic.internationalsos.com/2019-ncov/ncov-travel-restrictions-flight-operations-and-screening[/URL]

This whole mess can't end soon enough.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2448532]Not a problem, but people with US passports no longer need a visitor visa to enter BR.

I thought I would share my smooth experience for those that read how difficult it was for other people that entered with BR documents.[/QUOTE]Ah. Was not aware of the no visa change ypunrptil now. Thanks.

I may be coming to SP.

Cartman says SP is better than RJ.

My situation is I can pretty much stay in Brazil and play the spread of shorting my property in the US and renting here in Brazil.

I believe it that the talent is better in SP, but I like the beach.

How hard and far is it to get to Santos?

Rovnak, it would be good to see you. Things seem to be opening up.

Oh, yeah, I want to make the best porn in the world.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2448599]Ah. Was not aware of the no visa change ypunrptil now. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

The original location is closed and a apt complex to be built. New address pending.

Will be closed for about 2 months for a major expansion project.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2446174]Correct me if you think I'm wrong but I believe that Brazil will be the first country to have its sex industry up and running post covid; even before Thailand, Colombia or Mexico.[/QUOTE]Mexico is still open. The hard part is getting a hotel room, but you can cross into Mexico freely. I have done it twice in the last 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2449116]The original location is closed and a apt complex to be built. New address pending.[/QUOTE]That is disappointing news, as I was planning on visiting Bomboa during my next trip to Brazil. Bomboa was the first Boatel I have been to, and I was looking forward to a return visit in order to reminisce.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2449118]Will be closed for about 2 months for a major expansion project.[/QUOTE]That is a surprise to me, considering Scandallo is already pretty big and modern. I wonder what they are going to add to Scandallo, as they already have a restaurant, outdoors area, and onsite rooms. The only thing I could think of is an Airbnb-like rooms, where guests can rent them out for a few nights. That way, you are literally right next to the club and can easily bring a girl back if you click well.

They extended the quarantine for until May 31.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2449306]Mexico is still open. The hard part is getting a hotel room, but you can cross into Mexico freely. I have done it twice in the last 3 weeks.[/QUOTE]There is action in Brazil, Thailand and Colombia as well. What I was talking about is the sex industry being fully open, boates, clinicas, termas etc.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2449118]Will be closed for about 2 months for a major expansion project.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. Any club that wants to expand, now is the time.

[QUOTE=Henrique1296;2449486]They extended the quarantine for until May 31.[/QUOTE]Its until May 28 to be exact.

But the way things look, they probably will extend it again.

[QUOTE=RonFromSichuan;2449439]That is disappointing news, as I was planning on visiting Bomboa during my next trip to Brazil. Bomboa was the first Boatel I have been to, and I was looking forward to a return visit in order to reminisce.

That is a surprise to me, considering Scandallo is already pretty big and modern. I wonder what they are going to add to Scandallo, as they already have a restaurant, outdoors area, and onsite rooms. The only thing I could think of is an Airbnb-like rooms, where guests can rent them out for a few nights. That way, you are literally right next to the club and can easily bring a girl back if you click well.[/QUOTE]They are building a hotel next door. But the rooms they have now you can rent out for the whole night had you wanted to.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2449620]Makes sense. Any club that wants to expand, now is the time.[/QUOTE]They are expecting more girls with many places out of business to come work probably but clients will be not be so keen spending so expect lower pricing by girls. 300 R like back in old days with the exchange near 6.0 it is tempting but safety also on everyone's mind.

Basic supply and demand.

[QUOTE=RonFromSichuan;2449439]That is a surprise to me, considering Scandallo is already pretty big and modern. I wonder what they are going to add to Scandallo, as they already have a restaurant, outdoors area, and onsite rooms. The only thing I could think of is an Airbnb-like rooms, where guests can rent them out for a few nights. That way, you are literally right next to the club and can easily bring a girl back if you click well.[/QUOTE]Is this expansion going to go over well with the city? Do the current owners have an implicit understanding with city hall?

I seem to remember when they first tried to open up Scandallo (under a different name?) they ran into some issues for quite a long time. This project will seem to make Scandallo a bigger target for moral warriors. Just curious.

Total newb inquiry but what is the functional difference between a clinica and termas? I understand the clinicas to be the smaller harder to find of the two. Here is my knowledge tier.

Boates: high end nightclub where mostly 8+s compete and many of them escort as well.

Termas: bordello with bar and spa, chat area? Lineup? Somewhat similar to FKK setup dare I say?

Clinica: AMP style with most having around ten girls working, cheapest but also presumably lowest quality.

My most exp is with AMP setup after living in HI a couple years. I would be more inclined due to my personality to use escorts but I know they can't be reliable.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2449955]Total newb inquiry but what is the functional difference between a clinica and termas? I understand the clinicas to be the smaller harder to find of the two. Here is my knowledge tier.

Boates: high end nightclub where mostly 8+s compete and many of them escort as well.

Termas: bordello with bar and spa, chat area? Lineup? Somewhat similar to FKK setup dare I say?

Clinica: AMP style with most having around ten girls working, cheapest but also presumably lowest quality.

My most exp is with AMP setup after living in HI a couple years. I would be more inclined due to my personality to use escorts but I know they can't be reliable.[/QUOTE]You are pretty close but:

Termas exist in Rio not in SP. SP has only CLínicas and Boates. I do not know if Rio has CLínicas. And CLínicas are NOT hard to find in SP. There are at least ten mentioned in this thread like Tangará, Brooklyn, Abbobora, Miruna, and Enjoy just off the top of my head.

Choose your poison by time of day and dollar tolerance.

Day = Clincas. Night=Boates.

$300-400 - one amazing night of decadence at Scandallo. Or 5+ visits to the Clinica.

If you are used to paying US prices you have enough money to fuck till your dick falls off at the Clinica. I'the recommend Scandallo above all else if you have the coin.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2449881]Is this expansion going to go over well with the city? Do the current owners have an implicit understanding with city hall?

I seem to remember when they first tried to open up Scandallo (under a different name?) they ran into some issues for quite a long time. This project will seem to make Scandallo a bigger target for moral warriors. Just curious.[/QUOTE]I do not think they would proceed without knowing. Anyway, the hotel is a separate business name just like Bomboa and Cafe Foto, the hotel is a detached business.

Anybody grab that Copa deal yesterday?

$200 round trip.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2450188]Anybody grab that Copa deal yesterday?

$200 round trip.[/QUOTE]What a deal! But, it won't mean anything if you have to go through a 14-day quarantine and all the places you want to go to are closed. I don't know if it will come to that in Brazil like it's looking in desirable parts of Europe, but if it does, then you may as well stay home.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2450188]Anybody grab that Copa deal yesterday?

$200 round trip.[/QUOTE]What dates?

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2449955]Total newb inquiry but what is the functional difference between a clinica and termas? I understand the clinicas to be the smaller harder to find of the two. Here is my knowledge tier.

Boates: high end nightclub where mostly 8+s compete and many of them escort as well.

Termas: bordello with bar and spa, chat area? Lineup? Somewhat similar to FKK setup dare I say?

Clinica: AMP style with most having around ten girls working, cheapest but also presumably lowest quality.

My most exp is with AMP setup after living in HI a couple years. I would be more inclined due to my personality to use escorts but I know they can't be reliable.[/QUOTE]You have the basic idea. As Steve mentioned, termas exist primarily in Rio though. I have never been to a FKK, but they sound similar to a termas. Termas typically have a bar and light food. You can talk, drink with and hangout with the girls for awhile before you ask one (or two) to go upstairs to the cabines (small rooms). Termas girls are walking around scantily dressed. They are not nude. The girls might dance around on small stages to get the party going. The spa services are generally negligible and if they exist they can be lacking in quality.

As far as Brazilian escorts, if you put in the research you can find beautiful girls who will show you a great time. They are generally a bit cheaper than a Scandallo session. The accurate "candy store" analogies for Scandallo make it a great option in its own right. Even though Scandallo is a nightclub, your age doesn't matter as long as you have some nice clothes and money.

Some of us have written how-to posts for researching Brazilian escorts. Perhaps a member remembers the date(s) of which they were posted. Incidentally, Brazilian escorts usually can be incall, outcall or you can even meet at a Brazilian love hotel for a few hours. Some of the love hotels have some fun set-ups like jacuzzis, sex furniture, stripper poles, mirrors and so on. Some just have basic, clean rooms and are very inexpensive. Of course, you can try to arrange to take home a Scandallo girl or meet her the next day.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2450195]What dates?[/QUOTE]The deal is dead but for historical purposes here is what was offered:

Sample valid dates on COPA from from JFK to Sao Paulo with one stop in Panama for $200 round-trip:

June 14-21.

July 5-12.

August 16-23.

September 6-13.

October 18-25.

November 15-22.

December 6-13.

January 24-31.

February 1-8.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2450268]The deal is dead but for historical purposes here is what was offered:

Sample valid dates on COPA from from JFK to Sao Paulo with one stop in Panama for $200 round-trip:

June 14-21.

July 5-12.

August 16-23.

September 6-13.

October 18-25.

November 15-22.

December 6-13.

January 24-31.

February 1-8.[/QUOTE]The COPA flights has long lay overs and weird arrival times and I would need to pay for additional hotel nights so in the end the 200 is more like 4-500.

He was a very nice chap. He introduced me to some really nice nippo amongst other.

Was this COVID related?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2438357]I have it on good authority that ABG passed away in February. He will be missed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cons68;2450340]He was a very nice chap. He introduced me to some really nice nippo amongst other.

Was this COVID related?[/QUOTE]No. Not at all related.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2450200]I have never been to a FKK, but they sound similar to a termas.[/QUOTE]As far as the basic features, FKKs and termas are similar. In both you pay an entry fee, and then there are women roaming around. You can take any of them to an onsite room for sex, with a generally set menu of prices.

The biggest difference is that most FKKs are set up with more spa services than you will find at even the nicest termas. There are definitely low-end FKKs that are similar to termas, but at the well-known ones you'll find indoor and outdoor pools, hot tubs, saunas, workout areas, dance clubs, and even movie theaters. Additional services such as masseuses, personal trainers, and haircuts / grooming are sometimes offered. Often drinks are free / included (at least basic drinks such as soft drinks, beer, and wine) and there are usually very nice buffets. Remember that FKKs started as nudist clubs and only transitioned to brothels later.

As I said, there are definitely lower-end FKKs with limited selection of features and crappy food / drinks. But take a look at what you get at Sharks ([URL]https://www.fkk-sharks.de/en/clubinfos/[/URL]) for the base entry price. It's the kind of place you could spend all day, fucking model quality girls in between relaxing by the pool, or having a steam, or enjoying the lavish buffet.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2450312]The COPA flights has long lay overs and weird arrival times and I would need to pay for additional hotel nights so in the end the 200 is more like 4-500.[/QUOTE]$500 is still better than $1000.

Anyway. Its gone for now.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2450200]You have the basic idea. As Steve mentioned, termas exist primarily in Rio though. I have never been to a FKK, but they sound similar to a termas. Termas typically have a bar and light food. You can talk, drink with and hangout with the girls for awhile before you ask one (or two) to go upstairs to the cabines (small rooms). Termas girls are walking around scantily dressed. They are not nude. The girls might dance around on small stages to get the party going. The spa services are generally negligible and if they exist they can be lacking in quality.

As far as Brazilian escorts, if you put in the research you can find beautiful girls who will show you a great time. They are generally a bit cheaper than a Scandallo session. The accurate "candy store" analogies for Scandallo make it a great option in its own right. Even though Scandallo is a nightclub, your age doesn't matter as long as you have some nice clothes and money.

Some of us have written how-to posts for researching Brazilian escorts. Perhaps a member remembers the date(s) of which they were posted. Incidentally, Brazilian escorts usually can be incall, outcall or you can even meet at a Brazilian love hotel for a few hours. Some of the love hotels have some fun set-ups like jacuzzis, sex furniture, stripper poles, mirrors and so on. Some just have basic, clean rooms and are very inexpensive. Of course, you can try to arrange to take home a Scandallo girl or meet her the next day.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. I'm planning on starting my trip in July assuming things continue to calm down, I have myself been tempted to bite on these airline deals but there is still too much uncertainty, I've already found a way around the airline cartels. I'm planning on flying into SP and then after a few days exploring do Sul. Certainly Curitiba and possibly Florionopolis. I have been doing much research / cross referencing on different sites: pohtoacompanhantes, skokka, gataurbana, priv55, garotaslindas and others. I will report on my finding on those provinces in those threads but I am aware of them being strictly clinicas and escorts. I also know that a week before I actually go I need to make a 'fresh' list as there is a high turnover, I found two unicorn-waifu short haired / pelo curto chics working in clinicas in Curitiba-Brasil of all places.

I think I'll probably be most comfortable in the larger clinicas only because I can't allow myself to drink and I will be under enormous pressure to drink in the club environment.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2450534]Thanks for the information. I'm planning on starting my trip in July assuming things continue to calm down, I have myself been tempted to bite on these airline deals but there is still too much uncertainty, I've already found a way around the airline cartels. I'm planning on flying into SP and then after a few days exploring do Sul. Certainly Curitiba and possibly Florionopolis. I have been doing much research / cross referencing on different sites: pohtoacompanhantes, skokka, gataurbana, priv55, garotaslindas and others. I will report on my finding on those provinces in those threads but I am aware of them being strictly clinicas and escorts. I also know that a week before I actually go I need to make a 'fresh' list as there is a high turnover, I found two unicorn-waifu short haired / pelo curto chics working in clinicas in Curitiba-Brasil of all places.

I think I'll probably be most comfortable in the larger clinicas only because I can't allow myself to drink and I will be under enormous pressure to drink in the club environment.[/QUOTE]Technically, girls from the state of Rio Grande do Sul are gauchas. I think you would have you more fun in Porto Alegre if your looking for gauchas.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2450534]Thanks for the information. I'm planning on starting my trip in July assuming things continue to calm down, I have myself been tempted to bite on these airline deals but there is still too much uncertainty, I've already found a way around the airline cartels. I'm planning on flying into SP and then after a few days exploring do Sul. Certainly Curitiba and possibly Florionopolis. I have been doing much research / cross referencing on different sites: pohtoacompanhantes, skokka, gataurbana, priv55, garotaslindas and others. I will report on my finding on those provinces in those threads but I am aware of them being strictly clinicas and escorts. I also know that a week before I actually go I need to make a 'fresh' list as there is a high turnover, I found two unicorn-waifu short haired / pelo curto chics working in clinicas in Curitiba-Brasil of all places.

I think I'll probably be most comfortable in the larger clinicas only because I can't allow myself to drink and I will be under enormous pressure to drink in the club environment.[/QUOTE]Will Brasil be allowing foreigners to visit by July?

[QUOTE=Combo;2451217]Will Brasil be allowing foreigners to visit by July?[/QUOTE]I guess it's too early to even guess if that will happen. We have to wait and watch as the cases are still increasing day by day and people say it's going to become the next hotspot.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2451231]I guess it's too early to even guess if that will happen. We have to wait and watch as the cases are still increasing day by day and people say it's going to become the next hotspot.[/QUOTE]The health minister on the job for 1 month resigned today. They will open Brasil again because they cannot afford not to for foreigners but who will be willing to go?

Even if someone has antibodies, there's no guarantee the person is immune.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2451231]I guess it's too early to even guess if that will happen. We have to wait and watch as the cases are still increasing day by day and people say it's going to become the next hotspot.[/QUOTE]Does it matter?

Everyone is going to get it in time, you die or you won't.

IMHO, finding the -fastest- way to herd immunity without flooding over the hospitals is the best course, but nobody will talk about it.

Odds are against a vaccine, we've had a century to figure out the Spanish Flu. We haven't. This is the nature of things.

[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2451463]Does it matter?

Everyone is going to get it in time, you die or you won't.

IMHO, finding the -fastest- way to herd immunity without flooding over the hospitals is the best course, but nobody will talk about it.

Odds are against a vaccine, we've had a century to figure out the Spanish Flu. We haven't. This is the nature of things.[/QUOTE]People used to say the same thing about herd immunity in US and UK, and the situation is right in front of our eyes. And on top of that there is very little or no knowledge about how this virus behaves till now. It's not a typical virus which spreads like HIV or SARs. Herd immunity concept won't work as we have seen cases where even younger people are succumbing to this shit. And to be very frank, you can't have a case where you are going for herd immunity without flooding hospital, that's impossible.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2451300]The health minister on the job for 1 month resigned today. They will open Brasil again because they cannot afford not to for foreigners but who will be willing to go?

Even if someone has antibodies, there's no guarantee the person is immune.[/QUOTE]Antibody development can't be seen as a perfect cure for this shit. Immunity depends on various other factors too.

[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2451463]Does it matter?

Everyone is going to get it in time, you die or you won't.

IMHO, finding the -fastest- way to herd immunity without flooding over the hospitals is the best course, but nobody will talk about it.

Odds are against a vaccine, we've had a century to figure out the Spanish Flu. We haven't. This is the nature of things.[/QUOTE]Many people would probably agree with your statement. As far as I am concerned, "nobody" = Media.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2451524]Antibody development can't be seen as a perfect cure for this shit. Immunity depends on various other factors too.[/QUOTE]You're right, antibody convalescent plasma therapy infusion from recovered patients is not 100% cure.

[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2451463]Does it matter?

Everyone is going to get it in time, you die or you won't.

IMHO, finding the -fastest- way to herd immunity without flooding over the hospitals is the best course, but nobody will talk about it.

Odds are against a vaccine, we've had a century to figure out the Spanish Flu. We haven't. This is the nature of things.[/QUOTE]Natural selection survival of the fittest you mean. Unfortunately, healthy young people get seriously sick also. Herd immunity depends on the composition of the population and controlling infection to only certain populations. In the end, no one wants to be infected intentionally.

The major problem with the covid vaccine is that there are no long term testing done, like 10 years worth so who knows how good / bad it is. Either way, I'll get it and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2451579]Many people would probably agree with your statement. As far as I am concerned, "nobody" = Media.[/QUOTE]Blaming media for your fellow mans ignorance, is dangerous.

Media isn't the problem. Its the solution ignorant people want.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2451523]People used to say the same thing about herd immunity in US and UK, and the situation is right in front of our eyes. And on top of that there is very little or no knowledge about how this virus behaves till now. It's not a typical virus which spreads like HIV or SARs. Herd immunity concept won't work as we have seen cases where even younger people are succumbing to this shit. And to be very frank, you can't have a case where you are going for herd immunity without flooding hospital, that's impossible.[/QUOTE]So, all of your arguments against her immunity are based on a situation with no substantial infection rate. So. There is NO herd immunity in place to study on this to begin with, so therefore herd immunity doesn't work.

I get that right?

"People used to say the same thing about herd immunity in US and UK".

We still do, where it's relevant.

Just a personal plea. The German FKK thread was absolutely ruined by becoming the Covid 19 bickering thread. Let's not ruin São Paulo too! How about we talk about girls and sex?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2452019]Just a personal plea. The German FKK thread was absolutely ruined by becoming the Covid 19 bickering thread. Let's not ruin So Paulo too! How about we talk about girls and sex?[/QUOTE]I agree. Let's not make this the bickering thread. Por favor!

[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2451984]So, all of your arguments against her immunity are based on a situation with no substantial infection rate. So. There is NO herd immunity in place to study on this to begin with, so therefore herd immunity doesn't work.

I get that right?

"People used to say the same thing about herd immunity in US and UK".

We still do, where it's relevant.[/QUOTE]There is enough substantial infection rates in US and other top 7 infected counties, firstly. Please read news updates to get the numbers. Secondly the concept of herd immunity is futile without a proper vaccine or a drug to stop the spread. Third looking at the economic conditions of many countries and the extra burden on healthcare facilities, I hardly think people would be willing to sacrifice themselves and get infected willingly without having a guarantee to their lives. If this was not a human to human infectious disease which spreads much faster than any other which we have known in the last 100 years, I would have thought for a second about herd immunity, but not anymore.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2452023]There is enough substantial infection rates in US and other top 7 infected counties, firstly. Please read news updates to get the numbers. Secondly the concept of herd immunity is futile without a proper vaccine or a drug to stop the spread. Third looking at the economic conditions of many countries and the extra burden on healthcare facilities, I hardly think people would be willing to sacrifice themselves and get infected willingly without having a guarantee to their lives. If this was not a human to human infectious disease which spreads much faster than any other which we have known in the last 100 years, I would have thought for a second about herd immunity, but not anymore.[/QUOTE]Attention: International SEX guide.

[QUOTE=Radar99;2452023]...Secondly the concept of herd immunity is futile without a proper vaccine or a drug to stop the spread...[/QUOTE]You're mixing up two separate things.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2452019]Just a personal plea. The German FKK thread was absolutely ruined by becoming the Covid 19 bickering thread. Let's not ruin So Paulo too! How about we talk about girls and sex?[/QUOTE]Wanting to talk about girls and sex without wanting to talk about how this pandemic is impacting the "hobby" is not wanting to deal with reality. Especially with Brazil having moved into the number three position in the world with confirmed infections (heard it on the news this morning). Bolsonaro is an idiot! And the medical infrastructure in Sao Paulo is reported to be near collapse. Maybe time for a separate thread to discuss if that's what some people here want. Because it is absolutely relevant to what we all like to do. Travel internationally to fuck hot girls! Can we get there? Can we get in? If yes, then what will it look like, and what's going to happen? What will we have to do, and will it be safe? People want to talk about these topics, and quite legitimately so. We can't act like the mongering side of our lives isn't being greatly impacted by this virus and just ignore it, and expect people here not to talk about this extraordinary time in world history.

[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2451981]Blaming media for your fellow mans ignorance, is dangerous.

Media isn't the problem. Its the solution ignorant people want.[/QUOTE]Its both. Media and ignorance.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452091]Wanting to talk about girls and sex without wanting to talk about how this pandemic is impacting the "hobby" is not wanting to deal with reality. [/QUOTE]Fair enough but perhaps the general covid discussion belongs in the General Info subforum, leaving this forum free for "Sao Paulo specific" discussion, covid and non.

Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]I've been to both cities multiple times. SP hands down.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2452220]Fair enough but perhaps the general covid discussion belongs in the General Info subforum, leaving this forum free for "Sao Paulo specific" discussion, covid and non.[/QUOTE]Or safe sex forum, covid will not be going away anytime soon.

Following the porn industry's future protocol is for the rapid test before sex act. It is what I do with my girl each time we meet up, we go to a lab and get it done.

The caveat is that rapid test is not yet approved for current infection though it does test for recent infection because there is a delayed antibody response.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]Buenos Aires. Since money is not an issue, you will live a fabulous life in any city and deal more with climate, culture and your own character. As always you can travel between the two. Tango is a dance of life and death, so choose the port for the rest of your life.

Let me congratulate you. I'm envious. I've spent a little time in both cities.

Is Porto or Castellano your best language? I'the go there. Sampa has a sexual culture unlike anywhere I've been. But it's a reasonable flight from BsAs. As in both cities, which neighborhood, barrio is as important as which city.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2452299]Let me congratulate you. I'm envious. I've spent a little time in both cities.

Is Porto or Castellano your best language? I'the go there. Sampa has a sexual culture unlike anywhere I've been. But it's a reasonable flight from BsAs. As in both cities, which neighborhood, barrio is as important as which city.

Hb.[/QUOTE]None. I am going to learn one of them when I get there. In Sao Paulo I want to build a house in Muribo and in BsAs I want to build a house in San Isidro. In the beginning I will go with pros but in the long-term I would prefer to have a girlfriend for a long-term relationship without marriage and kids. Unfortunately I think that there are not so many pros in BsAs only some escorts from websites. The are two things that I don't like on each place. In Sao Paulo they don't speak Spanish so I am going to have to learn Portuguese and Spanish as well if I want to travel to other countries as well. In BsAs there aren't any termos or clubs like Scandalo, the economy sucks and I am going to have to figure out a way to always have cash in Euro or Dollars while in Sao Paulo I think it is more easy.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]I will presume you are moving for work / commerce. Otherwise, Rio or another Brazilian beach city would be far more enjoyable places to live than SP or BA.

SP vs. BA for living is an interesting question. If mongering is high on your list, SP would be the winner by far. BA people can be a bit cold. Brazilian women are also more approachable. Obviously, if you have looks and game anything is possible anywhere at anytime.

If you toss aside mongering, BA is a much more beautiful city. While BA is worn around the edges, it has an air of turn of the 20th century Europe. I think BA is also relatively safer. I would give SP the edge in food, but BA's food scene has become very good. It's not just steak and Italian anymore.

While I will confess I have never lived in either city, I prefer BA's neighborhoods and vibe. I could see myself being happy in a trendy BA barrio like Palermo a short walk from some beautiful parks.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]Spot on agree with Wyatt. For girls particularly paid girls SP hands down. For quality of life in a nice city I'd pick BA. Hey you don't always want to do paid girls at home so maybe live in BA and hit Scandallo in SP on a regular basis. I'd be down with that.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452221]Hi Guys,

I have to move in September permanent to Latin America and I have to choose between Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Money is not an issue. If you were me where would you move for the rest of your lives?[/QUOTE]I would go with Sao Paulo just because I like Brazilian people and culture better. Throw in the fact that I'm a monger and, well that seals it for me since Brazil is the better mongering destination by far per my tastes.

Gents -posting in SP forum hoping for a response as Guaruja is closer to SP and some you esp the locals may have information. Is there a list of recommended clinicas in Guaruja area?

Thanks,

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452417]I would go with Sao Paulo just because I like Brazilian people and culture better. Throw in the fact that I'm a monger and, well that seals it for me since Brazil is the better mongering destination by far per my tastes.[/QUOTE]Buenos Aires used to be the better mongering destination for me prior to 2011 when there was a clampdown, it was once my favorite destination. Now Sao Paulo is the better mongering place. However, Buenos Aires is a much better city for beauty and ambiance.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452641]However, Buenos Aires is a much better city for beauty and ambiance.[/QUOTE]I agree with this much. But for me, at the end of the day, it's the people who make a place what it is, and I prefer hanging around Brazilians versus their neighbors to the south. Sao Paulo isn't the prettiest city, but it has its "pockets" LOL! And I have always liked mongering in Brazil better than Argentina, so Sao Paulo would be the easy pick for me between the two choices. Given other options, I would look at Curitiba and Florianopolis. BTW I love it when the Brazilian and Argentinian national soccer teams play each other! Talk about a war! Whew wouldn't miss it for nothing!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452663]I agree with this much. But for me, at the end of the day, it's the people who make a place what it is, and I prefer hanging around Brazilians versus their neighbors to the south. Sao Paulo isn't the prettiest city, but it has its "pockets" LOL! And I have always liked mongering in Brazil better than Argentina, so Sao Paulo would be the easy pick for me between the two choices. Given other options, I would look at Curitiba and Florianopolis. BTW I love it when the Brazilian and Argentinian national soccer teams play each other! Talk about a war! Whew wouldn't miss it for nothing![/QUOTE]I went to BA three times and none of the girls I was with were memorable whereas in SP I always get memorable experiences each time I go LOL.

Brazilians are also definitely more friendly with gringos than people in AR IMO.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452663]I agree with this much. But for me, at the end of the day, it's the people who make a place what it is, and I prefer hanging around Brazilians versus their neighbors to the south. Sao Paulo isn't the prettiest city, but it has its "pockets" LOL! And I have always liked mongering in Brazil better than Argentina, so Sao Paulo would be the easy pick for me between the two choices. Given other options, I would look at Curitiba and Florianopolis. BTW I love it when the Brazilian and Argentinian national soccer teams play each other! Talk about a war! Whew wouldn't miss it for nothing![/QUOTE]I agree!!

Brasil 🇧🇷 in general I'd choose easily over Argentina.

Like you say, mostly for the people, however, I truly enjoy my time in both SP and Rio!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2452663]................ BTW I love it when the Brazilian and Argentinian national soccer teams play each other! Talk about a war! Whew wouldn't miss it for nothing![/QUOTE]I have been to countries in Europe and South America during football matches and nothing can compare to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I had left my hotel for a walk one Sunday just before a football match between Boca Juniors and Riverplate and the scene was incredible; there were buses moving through the city with as many guys hanging on on the outside as inside, the din was unbelievable, there were tanks and other military vehicles on the streets, I was the only pedestrian and beat a hasty retreat back to my hotel. I have been to football clashes in Rio and SP and it was nothing like that.

Sure, do yourself a favour and buy a Boca Juniors cap with bright BJ letters on the side. Anyway, raise a glass to today's default as Argentina skipped a payment on her bond obligations. In the past the question on Baires or Sampa was asked when fleeing the Reich, and later when banished by 'business associates' from sunny Mediterranean. Baires has got different genetic pool, many girls have French or Italian heritage. Any aspiring alcoholic should also choose Baires. The ways you can fuck up your mind there is incredible.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452406]None. I am going to learn one of them when I get there. In Sao Paulo I want to build a house in Muribo and in BsAs I want to build a house in San Isidro. In the beginning I will go with pros but in the long-term I would prefer to have a girlfriend for a long-term relationship without marriage and kids. Unfortunately I think that there are not so many pros in BsAs only some escorts from websites. The are two things that I don't like on each place. In Sao Paulo they don't speak Spanish so I am going to have to learn Portuguese and Spanish as well if I want to travel to other countries as well. In BsAs there aren't any termos or clubs like Scandalo, the economy sucks and I am going to have to figure out a way to always have cash in Euro or Dollars while in Sao Paulo I think it is more easy.[/QUOTE]Go for Sao Paulo. Warmer people and more selection of women. Traffic and crime may be worse, but if that's not an issue I'd choose Sao Paulo. But I am biased being Brazilian and used to live in Sao Paulo. I've been to BA before though.

Not sure what you mean by Muribo though. You mean Morumbi? If I were to live anywhere it would probably be Moema near Parque Ibirapuera. But you'd probably have to live in an apartment.

[QUOTE=DZone;2453260]Go for Sao Paulo. Warmer people and more selection of women. Traffic and crime may be worse, but if that's not an issue I'd choose Sao Paulo. But I am biased being Brazilian and used to live in Sao Paulo. I've been to BA before though.

Not sure what you mean by Muribo though. You mean Morumbi? If I were to live anywhere it would probably be Moema near Parque Ibirapuera. But you'd probably have to live in an apartment.[/QUOTE]I have lived and worked in both Sampa (in Jardins) and BS. As (Recoleta). I find Brazilians to be much warmer and helpful unlike Argentinians, who are petty and borderline racists. BS. As. Is a beautiful city, the city has great architecture and excellent food, steaks and Italian cuisine, probably the best outside Italy. It is equally dangerous to one's personal safety, I have lived and worked on 4 continents and BS. As was the only place I had the privilege of being mugged in broad daylight in Recoleta, so safety wise it is no better than Sampa. Finally, women, nothing to beat Brasileras specially in Sampa.

Good luck on your move.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2452406]None. I am going to learn one of them when I get there. In Sao Paulo I want to build a house in Muribo and in BsAs I want to build a house in San Isidro. In the beginning I will go with pros but in the long-term I would prefer to have a girlfriend for a long-term relationship without marriage and kids. Unfortunately I think that there are not so many pros in BsAs only some escorts from websites. The are two things that I don't like on each place. In Sao Paulo they don't speak Spanish so I am going to have to learn Portuguese and Spanish as well if I want to travel to other countries as well. In BsAs there aren't any termos or clubs like Scandalo, the economy sucks and I am going to have to figure out a way to always have cash in Euro or Dollars while in Sao Paulo I think it is more easy.[/QUOTE]I'm curious. Have you considered Rio? I think many SP lovers would still prefer actually living in Rio near the beach and visiting SP on occasion.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but why is it difficult to have Euros and Dollars? I'm not sure what you are trying to do. You can't really walk around and use US Dollars in most of your day to day transactions. Like many middle and upper class people in South America, you hold money in an account abroad and access the money via an ATM or use a credit card linked to the account.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2453360]I'm curious. Have you considered Rio? I think many SP lovers would still prefer actually living in Rio near the beach and visiting SP on occasion.[/QUOTE]It's interesting you say this because the last time I was in Rio, I remember thinking to myself as the taxi took me from the airport to my hotel, "Man! I can't believe I actually thought about retiring in this dump"! For whatever reason, at that very moment in time, Rio as a place to live for me lost its appeal. Maybe it was just my mood at the time, which wasn't being helped by the persistent, rainy, overcast weather. Or the dirty, chipped, and cracked sidewalks all over Copa. The smell of the sewer everywhere I went. Buildings looking kind of shabby and run down, and my room at the hotel not being up to par in terms of what I expected (based on what I read here about the place). And the action and energy in the termas nothing like when I first visited them. I don't know. Rio will always, always, always be a special place to me. But, at this point in my life, I would not choose to live there long term. If I were going to live long term in Brazil, I would pick some other city in the south, and go to Rio for vacations. Would I pick Rio over BA? Yes, because I would be choosing Brazil over Argentina, which is what I prefer.

[QUOTE=DZone;2453260]Go for Sao Paulo. Warmer people and more selection of women. Traffic and crime may be worse, but if that's not an issue I'd choose Sao Paulo. But I am biased being Brazilian and used to live in Sao Paulo. I've been to BA before though.

Not sure what you mean by Muribo though. You mean Morumbi? If I were to live anywhere it would probably be Moema near Parque Ibirapuera. But you'd probably have to live in an apartment.[/QUOTE]I have already been in Parana, Santos, RJ, SP. In Argentina I've been in BS. As, Rosario, Saint Nicolas, San Lorenzo. Brazilian people are more decent and friendly. Even Brazilian hookers are more decent than Argentine. Yes indeed I meant Morumbi or Jardins.

[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2453335]I have lived and worked in both Sampa (in Jardins) and BS. As (Recoleta). I find Brazilians to be much warmer and helpful unlike Argentinians, who are petty and borderline racists. BS. As. Is a beautiful city, the city has great architecture and excellent food, steaks and Italian cuisine, probably the best outside Italy. It is equally dangerous to one's personal safety, I have lived and worked on 4 continents and BS. As was the only place I had the privilege of being mugged in broad daylight in Recoleta, so safety wise it is no better than Sampa. Finally, women, nothing to beat Brasileras specially in Sampa.

Good luck on your move.[/QUOTE]Cheers. I prefer Brazil too.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2453360]I'm curious. Have you considered Rio? I think many SP lovers would still prefer actually living in Rio near the beach and visiting SP on occasion.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but why is it difficult to have Euros and Dollars? I'm not sure what you are trying to do. You can't really walk around and use US Dollars in most of your day to day transactions. Like many middle and upper class people in South America, you hold money in an account abroad and access the money via an ATM or use a credit card linked to the account.[/QUOTE]Yes I have considered Rio as an option and RJ it is very beautiful but I think SP suits me better. Keep in mind that it has Scandalo. There is a ridiculous limit when you withdraw money in BsAs from an ATM. If anyone lives in BsAs let us know the daily limit for withdrawals and you never know what will happen in BsAs the next morning due to financial reasons.

Hey Guys, I suppose you can file this post under stupid questions, but here goes anyway: It has been 20 years since I last visited Brazil. I used to travel to SA (Colombia, Brazil) all the time in the '90's. With the Corona BS going on it looks like I might not be allowed to go on my mid summer 2.53 month Thai / Indonesia trip and if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is on currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 to 3 week Sao Paulo fix - I mean holiday visit. LOL.

I know where to find the girls. That's not a problem. And I think it will be fun rediscovering the town. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.

Thanks in Advance.

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2453411]Hey Guys, I suppose you can file this post under stupid questions, but here goes anyway: It has been 20 years since I last visited Brazil. I used to travel to SA (Colombia, Brazil) all the time in the '90's. With the Corona BS going on it looks like I might not be allowed to go on my mid summer 2.53 month Thai / Indonesia trip and if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is on currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 to 3 week Sao Paulo fix - I mean holiday visit. LOL.

I know where to find the girls. That's not a problem. And I think it will be fun rediscovering the town. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.

Thanks in Advance.

NB.[/QUOTE]Both the Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel and the Marriott Executive Apartments are girl friendly.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2453411]Hey Guys, I suppose you can file this post under stupid questions, but here goes anyway: It has been 20 years since I last visited Brazil. I used to travel to SA (Colombia, Brazil) all the time in the '90's. With the Corona BS going on it looks like I might not be allowed to go on my mid summer 2.53 month Thai / Indonesia trip and if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is on currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 to 3 week Sao Paulo fix - I mean holiday visit. LOL.

I know where to find the girls. That's not a problem. And I think it will be fun rediscovering the town. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.

Thanks in Advance.

NB.[/QUOTE]Hi Dear, I used Mercure Jardins hotel near paulista Avenue (it is at the corner from of Rua De Agusta). It is girl friendly and I stayed twice without any issues.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2453411]Hey Guys, I suppose you can file this post under stupid questions, but here goes anyway: It has been 20 years since I last visited Brazil. I used to travel to SA (Colombia, Brazil) all the time in the '90's. With the Corona BS going on it looks like I might not be allowed to go on my mid summer 2.53 month Thai / Indonesia trip and if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is on currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 to 3 week Sao Paulo fix - I mean holiday visit. LOL.

I know where to find the girls. That's not a problem. And I think it will be fun rediscovering the town. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.

Thanks in Advance.

NB.[/QUOTE]Hey Natty. Recognize you from the Thai forums. Welcome. Yes nice hotels are girl friendly no problem. They do have to register at the front desk just like Thailand. But it's all cool. That said you really should enjoy the clubs like Scandallo and BomBoa. They have short time hotel attached right on the premises. It's nice. It's not an ST hotel like Thailand — it's a nice upscale room.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2455046]Hi Dear, I used Mercure Jardins hotel near paulista Avenue (it is at the corner from of Rua De Agusta). It is girl friendly and I stayed twice without any issues.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Melman. I have stayed at the Grand Mercure Harmoni in Jakarta, so I am familiar with the brand. Good choice. The Grand Mercure Harmoni Jakarta has it's own in-house bordello (massage parlor). It was always very convenient to bring girls up to my room for little afternoon entertainment.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2455086]Hey Natty. Recognize you from the Thai forums. Welcome. Yes nice hotels are girl friendly no problem. They do have to register at the front desk just like Thailand. But it's all cool. That said you really should enjoy the clubs like Scandallo and BomBoa. They have short time hotel attached right on the premises. It's nice. It's not an ST hotel like Thailand it's a nice upscale room.[/QUOTE]Hey Steve, How you doing?

Like everyone else I am just waiting around, watching the new virus case numbers, and wondering which countries are going to open up first. Brazil seems to be having a bad stretch at the moment. I hope they get a handle on things soon. It would be great to visit Sao Paulo again in November. I am looking forward to meeting a lot of pretty girls there. I know Scandallo is one of your favorite places. It is on the top of my list of places to go.

Take care,

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455089]Hey Steve, How you doing?

Like everyone else I am just waiting around, watching the new virus case numbers, and wondering which countries are going to open up first. Brazil seems to be having a bad stretch at the moment. I hope they get a handle on things soon. It would be great to visit Sao Paulo again in November. I am looking forward to meeting a lot of pretty girls there. I know Scandallo is one of your favorite places. It is on the top of my list of places to go.

Take care,

NB.[/QUOTE]Of all the forums Medellin remains most active and it sounds like the situation will ameliorate before Brazil. Remember Lew Ashby? He was killing it in Medellin and the girls are amazing and like $20-50. It's unreal. I've not been but want to go.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2455094]...He was killing it in Medellin and the girls are amazing and like $20-50. It's unreal. I've not been but want to go.[/QUOTE]Are you sure that these amazing girls in Medellin go for $20-50 per session?

I have taken close to 20+ trips to Medellin over the years and I don't recall seeing or meeting amazing girls for that price. I presume your buddy, Lew Ashby, must be either very lucky or very handsome. You did mention that you have not been there yet. I would be curious to read your reports after you get a chance to visit Medellin.

[QUOTE=Melman111;2455046]Hi Dear, I used Mercure Jardins hotel near paulista Avenue (it is at the corner from of Rua De Agusta). It is girl friendly and I stayed twice without any issues.[/QUOTE]I stayed in that hotel and I thought it was fairly noisy. They have a domestic airport not too far from the hotel, and the noise from the airplanes landing and taking off was a bit much. Luckily, the noise seemed to stop around midnight but it restarted fairly early.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455177]I stayed in that hotel and I thought it was fairly noisy. They have a domestic airport not too far from the hotel, and the noise from the airplanes landing and taking off was a bit much. Luckily, the noise seemed to stop around midnight but it restarted fairly early.[/QUOTE]There are many Mercure hotels, you probably got it confused with the one near Moema which is near the national airport CGH. Paulista is no where near both airports and I've stayed at that Mercure near Paulista which is nice and girl friendly. Actually all hotels are girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455176]Are you sure that these amazing girls in Medellin go for $20-50 per session?

I have taken close to 20+ trips to Medellin over the years and I don't recall seeing or meeting amazing girls for that price. I presume your buddy, Lew Ashby, must be either very lucky or very handsome. You did mention that you have not been there yet. I would be curious to read your reports after you get a chance to visit Medellin.[/QUOTE]That's about 300 R in BR and definitely get a good girl for that price.

[QUOTE=DallasNorte;2455016]Both the Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel and the Marriott Executive Apartments are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Marriott Executive Apt is like 5 minutes from Cafe Foto but a bit far from the Scandallo. I liked the apts layout with its own kitchen for longer stays and half the price of Renaissance.

That's about right. Flights stop at 11 or so but start up at 6 or 7 AM. True for Itami Bibi as well but I learned to live with it. If you are very noise sensitive you might consider elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455177]I stayed in that hotel and I thought it was fairly noisy. They have a domestic airport not too far from the hotel, and the noise from the airplanes landing and taking off was a bit much. Luckily, the noise seemed to stop around midnight but it restarted fairly early.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455177]I stayed in that hotel and I thought it was fairly noisy. They have a domestic airport not too far from the hotel, and the noise from the airplanes landing and taking off was a bit much. Luckily, the noise seemed to stop around midnight but it restarted fairly early.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you are talking about the same hotel. That area of Jardins is not under the path of the approaching or departing airplanes from the Congonhas airport. Could be more problem in Itaim Bibi and of course in Moema, which is closer to the airport. I haven't stayed in Mercure Jardins hotel, but it is close to the Mercure Alamedas hotel, where helicopters woke me up quite often in the morning.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2455176]Are you sure that these amazing girls in Medellin go for $20-50 per session?

I have taken close to 20+ trips to Medellin over the years and I don't recall seeing or meeting amazing girls for that price. I presume your buddy, Lew Ashby, must be either very lucky or very handsome. You did mention that you have not been there yet. I would be curious to read your reports after you get a chance to visit Medellin.[/QUOTE]I've been hanging out in Colombia / Medellin for over 20 years.

Beautiful girls can easily be had for that price range.
$50 dollars is about 185 mil pesos in Colombia now.
Plenty enough.

The same though is true in Brasil.
Both places have high end, low end, and in the middle.

It has been said many times, and it's true; what you pay doesn't really correlate to either quality or performance.

Read through the past 100 pages and want to say thanks to everyone who posted, shame what happened to ABG, he seemed like a great guy.

My next trip is going to be either to Ghana or Brazil, whichever opens up first, I'm hoping Brazil but unfortunately things aren't looking good at the minute.

Sao Paulo looks much better to me mongering wise, which is the main objective of my trip and decent food and Rio doesn't appeal to me that much as I'm not into beaches.

How many nights would you lot spend in Rio to see the tourist stuff before going to Sao Paulo for the rest of the trip?

Also does anyone else offer a similar service to ABG?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2455322]Sao Paulo looks much better to me mongering wise, which is the main objective of my trip and decent food and Rio doesn't appeal to me that much as I'm not into beaches.

How many nights would you lot spend in Rio to see the tourist stuff before going to Sao Paulo for the rest of the trip?[/QUOTE]It always depends what you like to do. The recommendations below come with the caveat that you can easily find women in Rio. It is certainly not a pussy desert.

If your goal is to race in / race out, you could hit the two major sites Christ the Redeemer statue on Corcovado mountain and Sugarloaf mountain in two days / one night.

If you tack on more time, you can consider other options. You have to remember beach or no beach, Rio is a green city. It is cut into a mountainous rainforest. Sao Paulo is an urban jungle. I like to take the historic tram up into the hills of Santa Teresa and have lunch (or a before sunset dinner) with a view. It is a historic neighborhood with nice, older homes. You can checkout the nearby Selaron Steps that you see in the Snoop Dogg / Pharrell "Beautiful" video.

I also like to have breakfast / lunch at the Cafe Lage in the mansion courtyard of Parque Lage. It's also featured in the video. In fact, the video is a good warm-up for a Rio visit. There are many hot Cariocas in it. The video might also change your mind about the beach.

The city center does not have a lot of history left. There are some old churches. Many people go to the modern Rio Cathedral which is interesting. The Sambadrome attracts visitors even though there is not much to see without a parade.

Last but not least, on certain nights the Samba schools host parties. There's usually music, cheap drinks and dancing. You can flirt here with some Brazilian women. Unless you are under 45, I wouldn't flirt with the really young girls. You'll likely get more response from the more mature women. Rio women are jaded from tourists thinking they all want to jump in bed with the first foreigner they meet.

Lapa has a famous large street party on Friday nights that spills into the side streets and bars in the area. The center of the action starts at Arcos the Lapa. In fact depending on the season, the Rio street parties can be found around the city.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2455501]It always depends what you like to do. The recommendations below come with the caveat that you can easily find women in Rio. It is certainly not a pussy desert.

If your goal is to race in / race out, you could hit the two major sites Christ the Redeemer statue on Corcovado mountain and Sugarloaf mountain in two days / one night.

If you tack on more time, you can consider other options. You have to remember beach or no beach, Rio is a green city. It is cut into a mountainous rainforest. Sao Paulo is an urban jungle. I like to take the historic tram up into the hills of Santa Teresa and have lunch (or a before sunset dinner) with a view. It is a historic neighborhood with nice, older homes. You can checkout the nearby Selaron Steps that you see in the Snoop Dogg / Pharrell "Beautiful" video.

I also like to have breakfast / lunch at the Cafe Lage in the mansion courtyard of Parque Lage. It's also featured in the video. In fact, the video is a good warm-up for a Rio visit. There are many hot Cariocas in it. The video might also change your mind about the beach.

The city center does not have a lot of history left. There are some old churches. Many people go to the modern Rio Cathedral which is interesting. The Sambadrome attracts visitors even though there is not much to see without a parade..[/QUOTE]Wow thanks for the detailed reply, really appreciate it.

Might just book a flight into Rio and out of Sao Paulo and play it by ear. Hopefully tourists will be able to go sometime this year.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2455192]There are many Mercure hotels, you probably got it confused with the one near Moema which is near the national airport CGH. Paulista is no where near both airports and I've stayed at that Mercure near Paulista which is nice and girl friendly. Actually all hotels are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema hotel many times and the noise is not that big a deal and I am a somewhat light sleeper. My favored hotel in SP is the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera which is a short walking distance from my favorite Moema clinicas. It has a decent gym and indoor pool. It is even closer to the airport but fortunately the windows in the rooms are sound proofed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2455573]I've stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema hotel many times and the noise is not that big a deal and I am a somewhat light sleeper. My favored hotel in SP is the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera which is a short walking distance from my favorite Moema clinicas. It has a decent gym and indoor pool. It is even closer to the airport but fortunately the windows in the rooms are sound proofed.[/QUOTE]Mercure Pinheiros is nice and literally two blocks from Bomboa. You can make the Scandallo pilgrimage by Uber but fuck it's nice to walk down the street and have a nice Boate just right there. High recommend.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2455192]There are many Mercure hotels, you probably got it confused with the one near Moema which is near the national airport CGH. Paulista is no where near both airports and I've stayed at that Mercure near Paulista which is nice and girl friendly. Actually all hotels are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Indeed I was confused, as I was talking about the Mercury in Moema, close to CGH. I guess on my next trip, I will try another hotel as I am a light sleeper.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2455575]Mercure Pinheiros is nice and literally two blocks from Bomboa. You can make the Scandallo pilgrimage by Uber but fuck it's nice to walk down the street and have a nice Boate just right there. High recommend.[/QUOTE]Bomboa is relocating tba. [URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL].

I wanted to know is there a place like Villa mimosa in São Paulo? It seems like we only talk about clubs.

[QUOTE=SavageGoat;2455786]I wanted to know is there a place like Villa mimosa in So Paulo? It seems like we only talk about clubs.[/QUOTE]Search scum SP on forums.

[QUOTE=SavageGoat;2455786]I wanted to know is there a place like Villa mimosa in So Paulo? It seems like we only talk about clubs.[/QUOTE]If you don't get a response, dig around a bit here. I think someone mentioned a building (s) that was the bargain basement mongering scene. If I remember, the member thought it was too skanky and so dearth of talent it wasn't worth the effort.

It sounded like a similar scene in Belo Horizonte. Some old buildings with a woman in each room banging out quickies. I hope I'm not mixing up SP with BH.

[QUOTE=SavageGoat;2455786]I wanted to know is there a place like Villa mimosa in So Paulo? It seems like we only talk about clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't remember if we're allowed to post non-English language websites, so Google Prive Rua carneiro the cunha, 400 - 93049-9686 and you will see a couple of Brazilian websites that will give you what you want. They're in Portuguese so you will probably need to use a translation app.

Self-isolated!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2456082]Self-isolated![/QUOTE]Nice! How did you meet her?

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2456027]I don't remember if we're allowed to post non-English language websites, so Google Prive Rua carneiro the cunha, 400 - 93049-9686 and you will see a couple of Brazilian websites that will give you what you want. They're in Portuguese so you will probably need to use a translation app.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about posting links to non-English websites. As long as you make it clear and provide sensible metadata (a slightly more detailed description than the one above) all sources of information are welcome. Posting non-English text here is discouraged.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2456132]Nice! How did you meet her?[/QUOTE]At Caribe two years ago.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2455322]Read through the past 100 pages and want to say thanks to everyone who posted, shame what happened to ABG, he seemed like a great guy.

My next trip is going to be either to Ghana or Brazil, whichever opens up first, I'm hoping Brazil but unfortunately things aren't looking good at the minute.

Sao Paulo looks much better to me mongering wise, which is the main objective of my trip and decent food and Rio doesn't appeal to me that much as I'm not into beaches.

How many nights would you lot spend in Rio to see the tourist stuff before going to Sao Paulo for the rest of the trip?

Also does anyone else offer a similar service to ABG?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Doesn't seem like anyone else does a similar tour service to what ABG did on here, which is a shame.

I wish I wasn't so bad at learning languages.

I plan on staying in Moema and visiting the clinicas and Casarao and similar priced Boates but Scandallo etc would be out of my budget.

Would you lot still go if you only learned the key Portuguese phrases?

Thanks.

IMHO, Brazil has the greatest sexual culture in the world so for that reason alone is worth a visit. It's always worth it to learn a couple dozen words / phrases just to be polite. I found that I got along just fine using Google translate for everything else. But I also spent more time in the high end boates where it is quieter & calmer than Casarao.

I miss ABG too. The clinicas he took me to, I was treated like a local, maybe even a VIP and given the same treatment when I went back without him. It was like getting his seal of approval ensured good service. My experience of going to clinicas alone was mixed. I had a particularly bad encounter at Brooklin for example but did OK elsewhere.

Some of my fondest memories with ABG was just sitting around drinking beer and shooting the shit. Sometimes those memories are as important as the pussy.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457037]Doesn't seem like anyone else does a similar tour service to what ABG did on here, which is a shame.

I wish I wasn't so bad at learning languages.

I plan on staying in Moema and visiting the clinicas and Casarao and similar priced Boates but Scandallo etc would be out of my budget.

Would you lot still go if you only learned the key Portuguese phrases?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457037]Doesn't seem like anyone else does a similar tour service to what ABG did on here, which is a shame.

I wish I wasn't so bad at learning languages.

I plan on staying in Moema and visiting the clinicas and Casarao and similar priced Boates but Scandallo etc would be out of my budget.

Would you lot still go if you only learned the key Portuguese phrases?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can easily pay a taxi driver 100 R and they will take you on a tour.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2457044]IMHO, Brazil has the greatest sexual culture in the world so for that reason alone is worth a visit. It's always worth it to learn a couple dozen words / phrases just to be polite. I found that I got along just fine using Google translate for everything else. But I also spent more time in the high end boates where it is quieter & calmer than Casarao.

I miss ABG too. The clinicas he took me to, I was treated like a local, maybe even a VIP and given the same treatment when I went back without him. It was like getting his seal of approval ensured good service. My experience of going to clinicas alone was mixed. I had a particularly bad encounter at Brooklin for example but did OK elsewhere.

Some of my fondest memories with ABG was just sitting around drinking beer and shooting the shit. Sometimes those memories are as important as the pussy.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I can tell he is well missed.

Hopefully there is a Scandallo up there for him now.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2457075]You can easily pay a taxi driver 100 R and they will take you on a tour.[/QUOTE]That's a great idea, thanks.

One of the BMs reached out to me but that's a good plan if he is busy when I come.

I just hope Brazil gets this horrible disease under control for us mongers and more importantly their people. I thought we were unlucky in England having Boris in charge but we are lucky by comparison it seems.

Can someone help me with how many days to spend in Sao paulo? I'm going to be in Brazil for 9 days in December and I plan on breaking it up between Sao Paulo and Rio. How do you think I should break up the travel?

I was in SP last year and ABG took me around to Tangare and a couple others and WOW I was treated like a KING! The experience was the best of my life he was getting up there in age and his health was not the best. I never heard what happened to him? Anyone know. His service made my trip to SP awesome and at least I know of a few places to go for my next trip.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457129]Thanks for the reply. I can tell he is well missed.

Hopefully there is a Scandallo up there for him now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2457212]I was in SP last year and ABG took me around to Tangare and a couple others and WOW I was treated like a KING! The experience was the best of my life he was getting up there in age and his health was not the best. I never heard what happened to him? Anyone know. His service made my trip to SP awesome and at least I know of a few places to go for my next trip.[/QUOTE]Someone on this thread said they had it on good authority that he has sadly passed away.

RIP.

[QUOTE=AdweyLand;2457159]Can someone help me with how many days to spend in Sao paulo? I'm going to be in Brazil for 9 days in December and I plan on breaking it up between Sao Paulo and Rio. How do you think I should break up the travel?[/QUOTE]This question comes up frequently. And since I answered someone on this very topic in the last week, I'm guessing you didn't bother to delve past the last one or two pages of the thread. C'est la vie!

It's pretty well accepted that SP is the better monger destination. Rio is the better destination for relaxation or tourism. Rio is not void of mongering by any means. And you can wine and dine in SP. You should tell the board what is important to you. 3 or 4 days minimum in Rio. If you love the beach maybe more.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457037]Doesn't seem like anyone else does a similar tour service to what ABG did on here, which is a shame.

I wish I wasn't so bad at learning languages.

I plan on staying in Moema and visiting the clinicas and Casarao and similar priced Boates but Scandallo etc would be out of my budget.

Would you lot still go if you only learned the key Portuguese phrases?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm going to SP and Rio in January (cracking deal on Air France London to SP 295 UK Pounds round trip} I also speak no Portuguese but I've downloaded an app called Tobo which gives you daily words to learn in (Brazilian) Portuguese, It's the best way to learn because pronunciation is totally different from how a word looks like it should sound to us English speakers. I lived in South Florida for many years so know all about Brazilian women and there amazing bundas, and what they can do with them so can't wait to visit.

[URL]https://youtu.be/DsxMPDm3h0w[/URL]

Thank you senior members for all the invaluable information contained in your posts for us newbies visiting Brazil for the first time.

[QUOTE=AdweyLand;2457159]Can someone help me with how many days to spend in Sao paulo? I'm going to be in Brazil for 9 days in December and I plan on breaking it up between Sao Paulo and Rio. How do you think I should break up the travel?[/QUOTE]As important as deciding how many days to spend in each city, is to decide which days of the week you stay in one or the other. All depends on your preferences. I'm not very interested in mongering in Rio and therefore I would stay stay Friday-Tuesday in Rio de Janeiro and the rest of the trip in Sao Paulo. Last year I only spend two whole days in Rio and I think I should have stayed longer, maybe 4 or 5 days.

[QUOTE=Nordico;2457283]As important as deciding how many days to spend in each city, is to decide which days of the week you stay in one or the other. All depends on your preferences. I'm not very interested in mongering in Rio and therefore I would stay stay Friday-Tuesday in Rio de Janeiro and the rest of the trip in Sao Paulo. Last year I only spend two whole days in Rio and I think I should have stayed longer, maybe 4 or 5 days.[/QUOTE]That's a good point. I like the weekend social scene in Rio. The Beach scene also peaks on weekends. Translation: More eye candy and if you carry yourself well it doesn't hurt to chat up the beach babes.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457130]That's a great idea, thanks.

One of the BMs reached out to me but that's a good plan if he is busy when I come.

I just hope Brazil gets this horrible disease under control for us mongers and more importantly their people. I thought we were unlucky in England having Boris in charge but we are lucky by comparison it seems.[/QUOTE]Just tell them massage clinicas. Otherwise they will take you clubs where they get a fee for bringing customers.

Most taxi stands near one of the clincas will know where the other ones are located.

[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2457265]I'm going to SP and Rio in January (cracking deal on Air France London to SP 295 UK Pounds round trip} I also speak no Portuguese but I've downloaded an app called Tobo which gives you daily words to learn in (Brazilian) Portuguese, It's the best way to learn because pronunciation is totally different from how a word looks like it should sound to us English speakers. I lived in South Florida for many years so know all about Brazilian women and there amazing bundas, and what they can do with them so can't wait to visit.

[URL]https://youtu.be/DsxMPDm3h0w[/URL]

Thank you senior members for all the invaluable information contained in your posts for us newbies visiting Brazil for the first time.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's s great deal you got.

I'll check that app, thanks.

I've been using Duolingo and some videos on YouTube to try to learn as much as I can. I find it harder to learn than Spanish though which I tried to learn before I visited Medellin.

Since my 6 day epic fuck a thon in SP last January I haven't been back, however next week I find myself at the airport area Pullman hotel for a couple of days. Any recommendations in the area for some fun?

Found this recent review of Tangara with pics which might interest people, see link below.

[URL]http://mongerplanet.com/2020/05/25/clinica-tangara-sao-paulo-brazil/[/URL]

How would you guys say the looks of the women in the pictures compare to the average looks at the Clinica's and a boate like Casarao?

I'm finding it hard to find pictures of women who work in these places for obvious reasons.

Thanks.

If you knew ABG, you would say instead that you hope there is a Tangara or Vannis way in Heaven for him LOL. Like many Paulistas, he viewed Scandallo and it's ilk as only for snobs and tourists, ridiculously overpriced. But he was tolerant of our foibles. It was part of his charm. I have 2 vivid memories. At Tangara there is a stair leading down to the area where the girls have their lockers, leading to a big party area. We sat down there and drank beer with some high ups (Doctors, lawyer). Good and funny conversation. And secondly, at Scandallo when we both realized that the main difference in price wasn't because the girls were fitter or prettier but that they paid more for makeup, dresses, hair and shoes and therefore it was only fair that we pay more for the packaging. CIM an angel for me Joao.

Hb.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457129]
Hopefully there is a Scandallo up there for him now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457831]Found this recent review of Tangara with pics which might interest people, see link below.

[URL]http://mongerplanet.com/2020/05/25/clinica-tangara-sao-paulo-brazil/[/URL]

How would you guys say the looks of the women in the pictures compare to the average looks at the Clinica's and a boate like Casarao?

I'm finding it hard to find pictures of women who work in these places for obvious reasons.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Don't see any girl photos in the link.

The higher he price the better looking girls but not necessarily better service.

Interesting site. You need a password to view the pics but that door and hallway look familiar. Of the clinicas I went to, Tangara had the best looking girls (and most). Service levels were very good to great.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457831]Found this recent review of Tangara with pics which might interest people, see link below.

[URL]http://mongerplanet.com/2020/05/25/clinica-tangara-sao-paulo-brazil/[/URL]

How would you guys say the looks of the women in the pictures compare to the average looks at the Clinica's and a boate like Casarao?

I'm finding it hard to find pictures of women who work in these places for obvious reasons.

Thanks.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2457871]Interesting site. You need a password to view the pics but that door and hallway look familiar. Of the clinicas I went to, Tangara had the best looking girls (and most). Service levels were very good to great..[/QUOTE]Sorry I should have mentioned that, registering is free though.

I've tried to attach screenshots of them now, hopefully it works.

I'd appreciate anyone's comments in relation to how they look on average compared to other Clinica and the Boates apart from the most expensive ones.

Trying to work out how much mongering money I'll need, thanks.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2457865]At Scandallo when we both realized that the main difference in price wasn't because the girls were fitter or prettier but that they paid more for makeup, dresses, hair and shoes and therefore it was only fair that we pay more for the packaging.[/QUOTE]I remember my first trip to Sao Paulo. I went to many clinicas, and was mostly disappointed in the quality of the talent I found at them. Went to Vanni's Way and didn't see one hot girl. Not a single one. I believe it may have been at Tangara that I saw a woman so fat that it looked like she would have to turn sideways to get through doorways. I wrote up detailed field reports of my findings.

ABG always struck me as the kind of guy who didn't want to accept the reality of life that different pussy carries different value. Pussy shouldn't cost but so much, and that's it! Whereas for a guy like me, buying some cootchie is like buying a car. If it's a Buick it's going to cost this much. And if it's a BMW, then it's going to cost me this much (more), and that's that. Now, when it comes to women, the key is to be able to realize that you're looking at a BMW versus a Buick (you have taste), accepting that in the real world the former costs more than the latter (you understand value), and being willing to pay for the BMW if that's what you want (you have the money).

Places like Scandallo, Cafe Photo, and Bomboa aren't patronized only by snobs or tourists (the truth is that virtually everybody there is Brazilian). To suggest differently points to a kind of snobbery on the other side of this debate (clinicas versus nightclubs). No, the nightclubs are for people who have decided they want to "drive a BMW" for the evening. They know who the hottest girls are when they see them, they understand that the way life works is that the prettiest girls cost a man the most out of his pockets (among other things), and they have the money to pay to be with those girls. The overhead costs alone at a high-end place like a Scandallo are going to drive the price higher, let alone what the talent looks like.

Every man, based on his personal circumstances and desires, has his own limits and that's fine. You don't call a man a cheapskate just because he goes for the Buick every single time. But you don't call him a snob either just because he prefers a BMW, and can tell the difference between the two. I personally won't be going for any Bentley's! I could, but for me that's too much to be paying for "a car" (a piece of ass). But I do accept that there is a difference in value between a Buick and a BMW and a Bentley, and I know how to recognize each one when I see it. What price I want to pay, that's up to me, without passing negative judgments upon others and what they are willing to pay for.

I hope ABG is in clinica heaven.

That looks like Tangara to me.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457892]Sorry I should have mentioned that, registering is free though.

I've tried to attach screenshots of them now, hopefully it works.

I'd appreciate anyone's comments in relation to how they look on average compared to other Clinica and the Boates apart from the most expensive ones.

Trying to work out how much mongering money I'll need, thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2457978]That looks like Tangara to me.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's definitely Tangara, just wondered if these girls are average looking for clinicas or better or worse.

On the pictures I've attached, I only find one of the girls attractive (the one on the right of the three girls) and would hesitate in f*cking the other girls for free.

So I want to know if I'll find the average clinica girl attractive or should I budget for the likes of Casarao if the girls there look better than the one I find attractive?

Sorry for the confusing question but don't want to fly all the way there and not find the girls in my budget good looking.

Appreciate anyone's opinion.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457892]Sorry I should have mentioned that, registering is free though.

I've tried to attach screenshots of them now, hopefully it works.

I'd appreciate anyone's comments in relation to how they look on average compared to other Clinica and the Boates apart from the most expensive ones.

Trying to work out how much mongering money I'll need, thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes I think that's Tangar but painted in a very favorable light. Tangara might have nice girls (the one I had was pretty hot) but the rooms are pretty run down. To their credit they seem clean. But really it's like Motel 6 level bathroom a least the room I had. So if facilities don't matter it's a good place for a VERY cheap experience.

Much nicer Clinica facilities can be found at Enjoy. It's really a nice high end fit and finish. I understand Moema Prime and some others may be this way also but I have not been.

Remember tho that CLnicas are a DAY activity. And Boates are a night activity so comparing the two may not be that useful depending on what Time you like to have your fun.

Going to Boates there is a vast difference in facilities also. Scandallo of course is super high end fit and finish and 150 girls without a dog in sight. You get what you pay for as The Cane points out so eloquently.

At Casarao you can surely find a hottie at a fraction of the overall Scandallo cost. The girl may be 1/2 as much but the primary savings but because the venue and drinks are downscale you will save a bunch there. It's like your basic pickup bar.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2458032]Yes I think that's Tangar but painted in a very favorable light. Tangara might have nice girls (the one I had was pretty hot) but the rooms are pretty run down. To their credit they seem clean. But really it's like Motel 6 level bathroom a least the room I had. So if facilities don't matter it's a good place for a VERY cheap experience.

Much nicer Clinica facilities can be found at Enjoy. It's really a nice high end fit and finish. I understand Moema Prime and some others may be this way also but I have not been.

Remember tho that CLnicas are a DAY activity. And Boates are a night activity so comparing the two may not be that useful depending on what Time you like to have your fun.

Going to Boates there is a vast difference in facilities also. Scandallo of course is super high end fit and finish and 150 girls without a dog in sight. You get what you pay for as The Cane points out so eloquently.

At Casarao you can surely find a hottie at a fraction of the overall Scandallo cost. The girl may be 1/2 as much but the primary savings but because the venue and drinks are downscale you will save a bunch there. It's like your basic pickup bar.[/QUOTE]Doh. Sorry I always confuse Enjoy and Abbobora. I went to Abbobora not Enjoy. Really nice facilities even has a little bar upstairs. Good line up when I was there also. More $$ than Tangara. Totally worth it IMO, but I prefer the luxe venues.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2458065]Doh. Sorry I always confuse Enjoy and Abbobora. I went to Abbobora not Enjoy. Really nice facilities even has a little bar upstairs. Good line up when I was there also. More $$ than Tangara. Totally worth it IMO, but I prefer the luxe venues.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help.

I'm happy to monger day or night.

I'll just budget as much as possible and if I like the cheaper girls that's a bonus.

Hopefully I'll get to buy you a drink one day to say thanks.

As soon as Brazil opens back up I'm going to go, seems like I'll be waiting a while though.

I say the girls pictured are average to below average for Tangara. The general consensus used to be that it was the best for looks / service for value. I wouldn't be all that interested in the garotas pictured either but always found someone at Tangara who more than fit the bill. But there's a reason why girls charge more in the boates too. YOLO and Sampa boates are something else. Don't sleep on the chance.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2457997]Yeah it's definitely Tangara, just wondered if these girls are average looking for clinicas or better or worse.

On the pictures I've attached, I only find one of the girls attractive (the one on the right of the three girls) and would hesitate in f*cking the other girls for free.

So I want to know if I'll find the average clinica girl attractive or should I budget for the likes of Casarao if the girls there look better than the one I find[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2458113]I say the girls pictured are average to below average for Tangara. The general consensus used to be that it was the best for looks / service for value. I wouldn't be all that interested in the garotas pictured either but always found someone at Tangara who more than fit the bill. But there's a reason why girls charge more in the boates too. YOLO and Sampa boates are something else. Don't sleep on the chance..[/QUOTE]Thanks again, I owe you a drink too.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2458113]I say the girls pictured are average to below average for Tangara. The general consensus used to be that it was the best for looks / service for value. I wouldn't be all that interested in the garotas pictured either but always found someone at Tangara who more than fit the bill. But there's a reason why girls charge more in the boates too. YOLO and Sampa boates are something else. Don't sleep on the chance..[/QUOTE]What is YOLO?

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2458314]What is YOLO?[/QUOTE]It's the acronym coined by the millenials. You Only Live Once. Kinda like what the heck, just go for it.

Anyone know of some Airbnbs that are guest friendly? Every Airbnb I see says they require name / ID of the person you plan on bringing over.

Only been once but will be back. Took ABG up on his guide services and wow I really liked Tangara, it was a great value. I had a girl named Marie and she would be $1000 HR call girl here in the US, one of the hottest chics I have ever been with. Also on called JuJu very hot and paid like $30 for half an hour it was amazing. ABG had a friend named Gabby and she was a great blonde but her husband found out what she was doing away from home all week and he sent me a message saying she was out of the business. He never took me to a boate so can speak to that. Really wish ABG was still around.

O.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2457917]I remember my first trip to Sao Paulo. I went to many clinicas, and was mostly disappointed in the quality of the talent I found at them. Went to Vanni's Way and didn't see one hot girl. Not a single one. I believe it may have been at Tangara that I saw a woman so fat that it looked like she would have to turn sideways to get through doorways. I wrote up detailed field reports of my findings.

ABG always struck me as the kind of guy who didn't want to accept the reality of life that different pussy carries different value. Pussy shouldn't cost but so much, and that's it! Whereas for a guy like me, buying some cootchie is like buying a car. If it's a Buick it's going to cost this much. And if it's a BMW, then it's going to cost me this much (more), and that's that. Now, when it comes to women, the key is to be able to realize that you're looking at a BMW versus a Buick (you have taste), accepting that in the real world the former costs more than the latter (you understand value), and being willing to pay for the BMW if that's what you want (you have the money).

Places like Scandallo, Cafe Photo, and Bomboa aren't patronized only by snobs or tourists (the truth is that virtually everybody there is Brazilian). To suggest differently points to a kind of snobbery on the other side of this debate (clinicas versus nightclubs). No, the nightclubs are for people who have decided they want to "drive a BMW" for the evening. They know who the hottest girls are when they see them, they understand that the way life works is that the prettiest girls cost a man the most out of his pockets (among other things), and they have the money to pay to be with those girls. The overhead costs alone at a high-end place like a Scandallo are going to drive the price higher, let alone what the talent looks like.

Every man, based on his personal circumstances and desires, has his own limits and that's fine. You don't call a man a cheapskate just because he goes for the Buick every single time. But you don't call him a snob either just because he prefers a BMW, and can tell the difference between the two. I personally won't be going for any Bentley's! I could, but for me that's too much to be paying for "a car" (a piece of ass). But I do accept that there is a difference in value between a Buick and a BMW and a Bentley, and I know how to recognize each one when I see it. What price I want to pay, that's up to me, without passing negative judgments upon others and what they are willing to pay for.

I hope ABG is in clinica heaven.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2459024]Only been once but will be back. Took ABG up on his guide services and wow I really liked Tangara, it was a great value. I had a girl named Marie and she would be $1000 HR call girl here in the US, one of the hottest chics I have ever been with. Also on called JuJu very hot and paid like $30 for half an hour it was amazing. ABG had a friend named Gabby and she was a great blonde but her husband found out what she was doing away from home all week and he sent me a message saying she was out of the business. He never took me to a boate so can speak to that. Really wish ABG was still around.

O.[/QUOTE]Yes, ABG, he lived it up!

Met him years ago at the old Vani's.

We used to have feijoada once a month!

Gone but never forgotten.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2459030]Yes, ABG, he lived it up!

Met him years ago at the old Vani's.

We used to have feijoada once a month!

Gone but never forgotten.[/QUOTE]I have read back many posts. But cannot find any info. What happened to ABG? Can someone tell me (us)?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2438357]I have it on good authority that ABG passed away in February. He will be missed.[/QUOTE]I met him, as did so many. I thought he would be dodgy, but he ended being a very solid character. Fun guy. Brought the party. Wonder what happened? Just bad health? COVID? Ugh. Very sorry to hear about the loss.

Ah, what memories you reminded me of! Loved Grand Mercury Harmoni in Jakarta. Got the girl from free foot massage they offer up to my room. She wasn't a lot into fun but I made it work. Nothing beats a perfect massage and fun in your bed. Did you get really lucky with the therapists? Any details? I'd love to find another reason to go back.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2455087]Thanks, Melman. I have stayed at the Grand Mercure Harmoni in Jakarta, so I am familiar with the brand. Good choice. The Grand Mercure Harmoni Jakarta has it's own in-house bordello (massage parlor). It was always very convenient to bring girls up to my room for little afternoon entertainment.[/QUOTE]

I suppose I think too simply which is why I would not thrive in politics. Trump and Bolsonaro are friends, the US and Brazil have similar rates of covid-19 infections. Why not just open up the borders between each country and allow people to travel freely between the US and Brazil without any restrictions? A bloke travelling from New York to Texas would not be any different from the same guy travelling from New York to Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2461303]I suppose I think too simply which is why I would not thrive in politics. Trump and Bolsonaro are friends........[/QUOTE]Yeah, they hang out at Mar-a-Lago and order in hookers.

Anybody heard anything concerning to opening of Casarao or Bomboa? Attached are a few fotos of my neighbours.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2463865]Anybody heard anything concerning to opening of Casarao or Bomboa? Attached are a few fotos of my neighbours.[/QUOTE]Restaurants are allow to open next week apparently. Bomboa still does not have a new location. Scandello will be remodeling until next month.

I've spoken to a few girls and they do not dare to go back even if it is open without a vaccine.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2463929]I've spoken to a few girls and they do not dare to go back even if it is open without a vaccine.[/QUOTE]Ditto, IMHO the Brazilian re-openings are premature. Prepare to be reading about the mutated c-19 slicing thru Brasil like a hot knife thru butter!

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2463929]Restaurants are allow to open next week apparently. Bomboa still does not have a new location. Scandello will be remodeling until next month.

I've spoken to a few girls and they do not dare to go back even if it is open without a vaccine.[/QUOTE]I would love to visit the new Scandallo. First establishment on my return to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2464547]I would love to visit the new Scandallo. First establishment on my return to Brazil.[/QUOTE]TBA August though still no vaccine by then.

I say test with the fast PCR for everyone that goes in at a cost of 300 R as the door fee. Only the high end clubs can ask this much as a door fee but at least you know you are safe.

Labs in Brazil are charging 400 R for the PCR to show active infection.

During F1 week there are up to 700 girls. Post pandemic with so many girls without jobs, I can see there being just as much everyday!

Does anyone know if Casarao is open?

I have spent several months in many parts of BR (Rio, BH, Brasilia, etc). Yet, I haven't been to SP yet, and plan to go.

My question for you all is what makes São Paulo better than Rio for mongering?

Would you say that SP has more or less clinicas than Rio? And are there better options for mongering in SP or Rio, in your opinion?

I ask this because I notice that the Rio forum here has a much larger thread count and reports.

When I was in Belo Horizonte, I met working girls that left São Paulo because they said there was too much competition for them.

I have only been to SP and no other place in BZ. I was told by many people the Rio is much more dangerous than SP. SP has a great metro system that is cheap and easy to use. I only went to a few clinicas (with ABG) so I thought the women (especially Tangara) were very hot and inexpensive. The rooms were not top notch but had a shower and clean sheets / bed. I was happy.

I want to return to SP, but stuck in pussy hell (USA).

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2471520]I have spent several months in many parts of BR (Rio, BH, Brasilia, etc). Yet, I haven't been to SP yet, and plan to go.

My question for you all is what makes So Paulo better than Rio for mongering?

Would you say that SP has more or less clinicas than Rio? And are there better options for mongering in SP or Rio, in your opinion?

I ask this because I notice that the Rio forum here has a much larger thread count and reports.

When I was in Belo Horizonte, I met working girls that left So Paulo because they said there was too much competition for them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2471520]I have spent several months in many parts of BR (Rio, BH, Brasilia, etc). Yet, I haven't been to SP yet, and plan to go.

My question for you all is what makes So Paulo better than Rio for mongering?

Would you say that SP has more or less clinicas than Rio? And are there better options for mongering in SP or Rio, in your opinion?

I ask this because I notice that the Rio forum here has a much larger thread count and reports.

When I was in Belo Horizonte, I met working girls that left So Paulo because they said there was too much competition for them.[/QUOTE]If you only have Clinica level dollars that's cool and you will have a nice time in SP. If U want to have the BEST time U need some $$. Not a lot by US standards $300-500/ night and you will have the time of your life. Nowhere on earth can compare to Scandallo Boate for 150 7+ girls all ready to rock and roll. Glitz glam girls dancing sex. It doesn't get any better. Bomboa is worth a visit also. Classy. Point is it is the Boates that make SP SP.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471570]If you only have Clinica level dollars that's cool and you will have a nice time in SP. If U want to have the BEST time U need some $$. Not a lot by US standards $300-500/ night and you will have the time of your life. Nowhere on earth can compare to Scandallo Boate for 150 7+ girls all ready to rock and roll. Glitz glam girls dancing sex. It doesn't get any better. Bomboa is worth a visit also. Classy. Point is it is the Boates that make SP SP.[/QUOTE]Amazing, thanks for the responses Steve and JBJ.

Picking up in boates (clubs) is my favorite way to roll.

I was never much of a fan of the CLínicas in Rio, nor did I enjoy having to walk around in those spas (I. E. Termas) in a bathrobe.

I'll have to do more research into pricing. $500 sounds a bit steep, because that's about the price here in my part of the USA.

However, $300 bucks a pop for high quality talent (if my assumptions are correct) sounds like São Paulo would be an excellent trip.

Looking forward to making the trip, once the world gets back to normal, one of these days.

I heard from someone that Bomboa is closed permanently. Sad news, but I always went to Scandallo instead. Also, heard that since the clubs are closed, the girls go to Connection Club, which is open.

The news is Brazil is open for air travel. As long as you arrive by air you can go as long as you can prove you have valid travel health insurance for your stay. Now I am planning on coming to SP from the states. Arriving mid September. Any one knows what's open. Clubs? CLínicas? Casaro tangara etc. Thanks.

Heard from someone that Bomboa is closed indefinitely, sad news, and since clubs are still closed, girls go to connection club which is open currently.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2471575]Amazing, thanks for the responses Steve and JBJ.

Picking up in boates (clubs) is my favorite way to roll.

I was never much of a fan of the CLnicas in Rio, nor did I enjoy having to walk around in those spas (I. E. Termas) in a bathrobe.

I'll have to do more research into pricing. $500 sounds a bit steep, because that's about the price here in my part of the USA.

However, $300 bucks a pop for high quality talent (if my assumptions are correct) sounds like So Paulo would be an excellent trip.

Looking forward to making the trip, once the world gets back to normal, one of these days.[/QUOTE]Sorry I should have been more clear. $300 is a one girl night with a few hours in the club and $500 is what I spent last time for two girls spaced over a six hour period at Scandallo. Should be even less now with the Real where it is. One week to live? I am on a plane to Scandallo tonight.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471689]Sorry I should have been more clear. $300 is a one girl night with a few hours in the club and $500 is what I spent last time for two girls spaced over a six hour period at Scandallo. Should be even less now with the Real where it is. One week to live? I am on a plane to Scandallo tonight.[/QUOTE]So when I was there it was 4:1 and now it's 5:1 exchange rate. So now it's 240 and 400 rather than 300 and 500! And remember this includes cover and some drinks over the time you are there hotel and girl. I mean it's considered expensive in Brazil but if you are coming from USA still an amazing bargain and Brasileiras are the best girls in the world IMO.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471699]So when I was there it was 4:1 and now it's 5:1 exchange rate. So now it's 240 and 400 rather than 300 and 500! And remember this includes cover and some drinks over the time you are there hotel and girl. I mean it's considered expensive in Brazil but if you are coming from USA still an amazing bargain and Brasileiras are the best girls in the world IMO.[/QUOTE]Agreed, thanks for the update. I can't argue with that. Brazilian girls are stunning and incredible. .

The pricing makes sense, with cover, drinks, etc. I went back and read about 50 pages deep in the SP reports and gathered that those numbers were the sum total, just as you explained.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2471575]Amazing, thanks for the responses Steve and JBJ.

Picking up in boates (clubs) is my favorite way to roll.

I was never much of a fan of the CLnicas in Rio, nor did I enjoy having to walk around in those spas (I. E. Termas) in a bathrobe.

I'll have to do more research into pricing. $500 sounds a bit steep, because that's about the price here in my part of the USA.

However, $300 bucks a pop for high quality talent (if my assumptions are correct) sounds like So Paulo would be an excellent trip.

Looking forward to making the trip, once the world gets back to normal, one of these days.[/QUOTE]For that $300, you'll get a lot more than a pop with a chica. And the talent to choose from is better than anywhere else in the world. Also there are other excellent boates besides Scandallo that are more reasonably priced (assuming they re-open).

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2471586]I heard from someone that Bomboa is closed permanently. Sad news, but I always went to Scandallo instead. Also, heard that since the clubs are closed, the girls go to Connection Club, which is open.[/QUOTE]Connection? I hadn't heard that name in a while. I went a few times several years ago and thought it was really good.

[QUOTE=Combo;2471738]For that $300, you'll get a lot more than a pop with a chica. And the talent to choose from is better than anywhere else in the world. Also there are other excellent boates besides Scandallo that are more reasonably priced (assuming they re-open).

Connection? I hadn't heard that name in a while. I went a few times several years ago and thought it was really good.[/QUOTE]Besides Casarao can you point to a few others you recommend? (Assuming they reopen.). I liked Casarao but it's a whole different feel from Scandallo (and half the price) more like a crowded bar than a nightclub. I mean each has its place and that's awesome about SP. You can spend from $30-300 on a girl and evening. Just pick your poison.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2471758]Besides Casarao can you point to a few others you recommend? (Assuming they reopen.). I liked Casarao but it's a whole different feel from Scandallo (and half the price) more like a crowded bar than a nightclub. I mean each has its place and that's awesome about SP. You can spend from $30-300 on a girl and evening. Just pick your poison.[/QUOTE]Bomboa is / was very good. Connection, which I didn't even know was still open, is very good (or last least was years ago when I went). I know Cafe Foto isn't a Boate, but at times in the past, it's had excellent talent.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2471520]My question for you all is what makes So Paulo better than Rio for mongering?

Would you say that SP has more or less clinicas than Rio? And are there better options for mongering in SP or Rio, in your opinion?

I ask this because I notice that the Rio forum here has a much larger thread count and reports.

When I was in Belo Horizonte, I met working girls that left So Paulo because they said there was too much competition for them.[/QUOTE]The Rio forum having far more thread counts is deceiving. The Rio forum goes back to 2008. As many long-time members know, a lot has changed in Rio in those twelve years. Rio is also still a premier tourist destination. Men are likely to venture there for a beach vacation and Rio's past reputation for mongering.

As several have mentioned, the reason SP is better for mongering than Rio is the boates.......the boates (nightclubs).

Interesting comment about Belo Horizonte. Fitfteen, twenty years ago the most beautiful working girls from BH (Mineiros) came down to Rio to make some money. Now the top working girls make their make their way to SP.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2471976]The Rio forum having far more thread counts is deceiving. The Rio forum goes back to 2008. As many long-time members know, a lot has changed in Rio in those twelve years. Rio is also still a premier tourist destination. Men are likely to venture there for a beach vacation and Rio's past reputation for mongering.

Now the top working girls make their make their way to SP.[/QUOTE]That makes sense, thanks for the intel. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2471976]The Rio forum having far more thread counts is deceiving. The Rio forum goes back to 2008. As many long-time members know, a lot has changed in Rio in those twelve years. Rio is also still a premier tourist destination. Men are likely to venture there for a beach vacation and Rio's past reputation for mongering.

As several have mentioned, the reason SP is better for mongering than Rio is the boates.......the boates (nightclubs).

Interesting comment about Belo Horizonte. Fitfteen, twenty years ago the most beautiful working girls from BH (Mineiros) came down to Rio to make some money. Now the top working girls make their make their way to SP.[/QUOTE]Rio holds great sentimental value for me. An earlier episode of my life saw some great times there. I only started going to SP around four years ago. I still love Rio and would always advise newbies to visit that city first. It is a better all round city. However, I will also advise a visit to SP as well, the mongering is great, however, so is the mongering in Rio.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2472018]Rio holds great sentimental value for me. An earlier episode of my life saw some great times there. I only started going to SP around four years ago. I still love Rio and would always advise newbies to visit that city first. It is a better all round city. However, I will also advise a visit to SP as well, the mongering is great, however, so is the mongering in Rio.[/QUOTE]I entirely agree with your sentiment on Rio. Unless business takes you to SP, newbies should visit Rio first. Rio is a beautiful city (with its warts like any city) and there is a solid mongering scene. I am a beach person. I also love the cafes along Copacabana Beach for a meal or drinks. There are also some nice places in the Ipanema neighborhood just a short walk from the beach. Seeing scantily clad Brasileiras on the beach get my sexual juices flowing.

The Sao Paulo regulars might take offense, but Sao Paulo is good for doing business in Brazil and mongering. The city doesn't offer a lot to a tourist.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2472018]Rio holds great sentimental value for me. An earlier episode of my life saw some great times there. I only started going to SP around four years ago. I still love Rio and would always advise newbies to visit that city first. It is a better all round city. However, I will also advise a visit to SP as well, the mongering is great, however, so is the mongering in Rio.[/QUOTE]Rio was also my first love. But man has a lot changed since I started going (for the worst). Quatro por Quatro is gone. L'uomo is gone. Aereoporto is gone. Rio Antigo is gone. Help is gone. What was the name of the place up the road from Mab's that used to be the place to be before it moved to Mab's? That's gone too! It was shuttered before the Olympics. All of these closures have caused a major hit to the Rio scene. And now I hear that Bomboa in Sao Paulo may be gone for good too? This is sad my fellow mongers. So, so sad! I hope things are looking better in 2021, and that maybe some termas and clubs will re-open, or maybe some new ones will pop up somewhere.

The Rio forum has more threads because it's much more of a "vacation city" - ie it has great beaches, spectacular views, and a more relaxed vibe. And the mongering is still pretty damn good, even though not what it was 15-20 years ago. But, if you're a fan of large cities, you might actually love SP. It has a feel very much like New York City. IMO it has a lot more going for it than many posters here let on, with excellent restaurants, parks, museums, etc. And of course the hottest women in the world. But it can also be a pain in the ass with things quite spread out and terrible traffic (though the Metro is great).

Regardless, if you'll be in Brasil at least a week (and I can't imagine flying that far for a shorter trip), I would strongly advise to visit both cities. Very easy to buy an open jaw ticket flying into SP and leaving from Rio. The flight between the two cities is like 40 minutes and will cost under $50.

On the website it says new address shortly. A couple girls that work in SP told me Scandallo was undergoing remodeling and Bomboa would have a new location after lock down.

[URL]https://bomboa.com.br[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2472023]Rio was also my first love. But man has a lot changed since I started going (for the worst). Quatro por Quatro is gone. L'uomo is gone. Aereoporto is gone. Rio Antigo is gone. Help is gone. What was the name of the place up the road from Mab's that used to be the place to be before it moved to Mab's? That's gone too! It was shuttered before the Olympics. All of these closures have caused a major hit to the Rio scene. And now I hear that Bomboa in Sao Paulo may be gone for good too? This is sad my fellow mongers. So, so sad! I hope things are looking better in 2021, and that maybe some termas and clubs will re-open, or maybe some new ones will pop up somewhere.[/QUOTE]Barbarella! Also closed. Closed, closed, closed all over the place!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2472023] What was the name of the place up the road from Mab's that used to be the place to be before it moved to Mab's?[/QUOTE]Balcony Bar.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2472023]What was the name of the place up the road from Mab's that used to be the place to be before it moved to Mab's? That's gone too! It was shuttered before the Olympics.[/QUOTE]You are thinking about balcony bar. It was right up street from Carretão Churrascaria. It closed when Rio had the world cup in 2014.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2471976]The Rio forum having far more thread counts is deceiving. The Rio forum goes back to 2008. As many long-time members know, a lot has changed in Rio in those twelve years. Rio is also still a premier tourist destination. Men are likely to venture there for a beach vacation and Rio's past reputation for mongering.[/QUOTE]They go back a little bit further to 2002. It's hard to believe it's been that long ago.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2471976]As several have mentioned, the reason SP is better for mongering than Rio is the boates.......the boates (nightclubs).

Interesting comment about Belo Horizonte. Fitfteen, twenty years ago the most beautiful working girls from BH (Mineiros) came down to Rio to make some money. Now the top working girls make their make their way to SP.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comment Wyatt! I've been lurking in the shadows and trying to decided which city would be better for a first timer. It appears that Rio might be the safer choice from what I've been reading. If I may be so bold to ask the question to the experienced SP members, what do you guys do for fun right now at night? From what I've been reading the bar / clubs are closed and restaurants must close by 5. I did get a few ideas of some Boates from another members post. Casarao is an example. Can anyone with boots on the ground suggest any more that's open during this crazy COVID time? Once I have a few ill venture out and find others, but having a few would be a helpful starting point.

Thanks again for any members nice enough to answer. Normally I would just go and explore / find out for myself, but with some many places closing down and all this craziness I thought it would be worth a shot to ask LOL.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2468667]Does anyone know if Casarao is open?[/QUOTE]Is it open?

[QUOTE=BabyTravlerr;2472381]Can anyone with boots on the ground suggest any more that's open during this crazy COVID time? Once I have a few ill venture out and find others, but having a few would be a helpful starting point.

Thanks again for any members nice enough to answer. Normally I would just go and explore / find out for myself, but with some many places closing down and all this craziness I thought it would be worth a shot to ask LOL.[/QUOTE]Totally by chance I found this place in Cotia, it's called Happy Space, rua the Barra 684, Parque Nincao, Cotia. Been there 3-4 x since the beginning of June. On average there were about 20-25 girls and maybe 10-15 guys there on those nights. When you pull up it looks like the place is closed, but it's not. You need to wait for the security guy to give you your commanda, then they let you in. Either drive or walk up the driveway to the bar. From where I am in Pinheiros it's about a 25 minute Uber ride, costing about real $50/ real $100 by taxi. Downside, the standard facilities are not that great. Unless you pay for the luxury rooms (which are right off the bar & extremely noisy, IMHO).

I took this one back to my place. She likes Red Bull & Jack Daniels, and a fist in her buceta! Inbox me, I'll give you the manager's WhatsApp and he'll put you on the notifications list.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Trafukin;2472978]Is it open?[/QUOTE]30 seconds of Googling and you'll knows it's temporary closed.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2473167]30 seconds of Googling and you'll knows it's temporary closed.[/QUOTE]My bad. I looked and it's saying open but I was like NO WAY all them people in that place at this time.

[QUOTE=UrPutter542;2474084]Was this in dollars or reals?[/QUOTE]No web girl like that is going anywhere for R150. Definitely USD and pretty steep at current exchange rates (5:1) R750 but not terribly unexpected at prior (4:1) R600.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2474176]No web girl like that is going anywhere for R150. Definitely USD and pretty steep at current exchange rates (5:1) R750 but not terribly unexpected at prior (4:1) R600.[/QUOTE]Yup. It seems very high for the current exchange rate and the market, would have expected rates to have fallen. Guess they haven't.

Has anyone flown down to Brazil From the USA since they allowed visitors?

I have a trip planned next week for some work and was wondering how the procedures are for entering.

[QUOTE=UrPutter542;2474178]Yup. It seems very high for the current exchange rate and the market, would have expected rates to have fallen. Guess they haven't.[/QUOTE]These tutes aren't stupid. The understand and follow exchange rates, and make adjustments, just like we do.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2475058]Has anyone flown down to Brazil From the USA since they allowed visitors?

I have a trip planned next week for some work and was wondering how the procedures are for entering.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you'll be one of the first bud.

Have a good trip and please let us know how the entry process goes as well as a report on what the current situation is like down there.

Muito obrigado.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2475387]Sounds like you'll be one of the first bud.

Have a good trip and please let us know how the entry process goes as well as a report on what the current situation is like down there.

Muito obrigado.[/QUOTE]Brazil is one of the few places that Americans can travel to now. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe going at this time. So I wait. But I know what is awaiting me there when I return!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2475515]Brazil is one of the few places that Americans can travel to now. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe going at this time. So I wait. But I know what is awaiting me there when I return![/QUOTE]Where did you meet that beauty?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2474176]No web girl like that is going anywhere for R150. Definitely USD and pretty steep at current exchange rates (5:1) R750 but not terribly unexpected at prior (4:1) R600.[/QUOTE]Its a spam post, don't believe the poster.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2475145]These tutes aren't stupid. The understand and follow exchange rates, and make adjustments, just like we do.[/QUOTE]Is it that Americans and Europeans get an adjusted price because the variations in the exchange rate does not apply to Brazilian men.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2475772]Where did you meet that beauty?[/QUOTE]Cafe Photo. Brazilian, blonde hair, pretty face (as you can see). Good attitude, nice big titties. Butt fuck. Everything. And to Turgid yes. It's the foreigners dealing with the girls who come into contact with us the most who are typically faced with "adjustments" due to exchange rates. We just need to bargain (as usual) to get an acceptable price. When I was in Rio last, Elisa Sanches charged me dirt cheap local rates to have anal sex with her, a top-rated Brazilian porn star.

I have been in many situations in various countries where I decided to pay more. It may have been because of service, attitude or because I knew it meant a lot to the recipient.

However, I will walk away, and suggest everyone else does also when you are told you need to pay more because you are a rich gringo. I don't negotiate. I just walk away. If everyone walked away it would stop.

There have been many girls in Brazil who have spent the night (s) with me and never asked for anything. Others, some minimal amount. Being caring, compassionate and generous is not the same as being gullible or stupid. Some people tend to confuse one with the other.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2475879]Cafe Photo. Brazilian, blonde hair, pretty face (as you can see). Good attitude, nice big titties. Butt fuck. Everything. And to Turgid yes. It's the foreigners dealing with the girls who come into contact with us the most who are typically faced with "adjustments" due to exchange rates. We just need to bargain (as usual) to get an acceptable price. When I was in Rio last, Elisa Sanches charged me dirt cheap local rates to have anal sex with her, a top-rated Brazilian porn star.[/QUOTE]I've voided Cafe Photo since it is a tourist trap, girls want a lot higher price when they know how to speak English also even though I speak Porto. Girls at Scandallo and Bomboa usually do not up charge gringos.

Years ago I saw Pamela Butt, 500 R and allowed filming.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2476162]I've voided Cafe Photo since it is a tourist trap, girls want a lot higher price when they know how to speak English also even though I speak Porto. Girls at Scandallo and Bomboa usually do not up charge gringos.

Years ago I saw Pamela Butt, 500 R and allowed filming.[/QUOTE]This girl speaks no English, but does speak Spanish, and obviously Portuguese. Cafe Photo is no more or no less a tourist trap than Scandallo or Bomboa are, both of which I patronize as well.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2476097]I have been in many situations in various countries where I decided to pay more. It may have been because of service, attitude or because I knew it meant a lot to the recipient.

However, I will walk away, and suggest everyone else does also when you are told you need to pay more because you are a rich gringo. I don't negotiate. I just walk away. If everyone walked away it would stop.

There have been many girls in Brazil who have spent the night (s) with me and never asked for anything. Others, some minimal amount. Being caring, compassionate and generous is not the same as being gullible or stupid. Some people tend to confuse one with the other.[/QUOTE]Girls now are either continuing to work, not working, or got with a boyfriend for the time being.

I being sending money to a girls as a prepayment which they appreciate and will show it when I meet up with them next month.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2476097]I have been in many situations in various countries where I decided to pay more. It may have been because of service, attitude or because I knew it meant a lot to the recipient.

However, I will walk away, and suggest everyone else does also when you are told you need to pay more because you are a rich gringo. I don't negotiate. I just walk away. If everyone walked away it would stop.

There have been many girls in Brazil who have spent the night (s) with me and never asked for anything. Others, some minimal amount. Being caring, compassionate and generous is not the same as being gullible or stupid. Some people tend to confuse one with the other.[/QUOTE]I always ensure that I am aware of the going or market rate in any country I visit. To pay above that no matter how small in comparison to the rate in the US would make me feel like a chump, which is not a nice feeling. I will tip if the girl has given me exceptional service. Tipping is different and I don't feel like a chump at all. The only monger destination in which I have gotten sex for free is Thailand. I tip my hat to guys who spend the night with Latin American women and not get asked for anything. If that happens to me and the girl is poor she will ultimately get something from me.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2476162]Years ago I saw Pamela Butt, 500 R and allowed filming.[/QUOTE]I wasn't familiar with Pamela Butt, so I looked her up. Definitely my type, especially if she's doing anal sex. She most definitely gets paid!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2476761]I wasn't familiar with Pamela Butt, so I looked her up. Definitely my type, especially if she's doing anal sex. She most definitely gets paid![/QUOTE]You won't see Caucasians like that in Europe. That woman's definitely got African blood coursing through her veins.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2476761]I wasn't familiar with Pamela Butt, so I looked her up. Definitely my type, especially if she's doing anal sex. She most definitely gets paid![/QUOTE]I saw here probably 10 years ago, she probably doesn't look like that anymore.

I will always remember that she asked me to turn off the camera when it came time for the money shot because she only allows that in pornos LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2476875]You won't see Caucasians like that in Europe. That woman's definitely got African blood coursing through her veins.[/QUOTE]LOL more like a bucket of silicone inside both her tits and her butt!

[QUOTE=Questner;2477042]LOL more like a bucket of silicone inside both her tits and her butt![/QUOTE]Serious? I came across too much of that in Colombia, not so much in Brazil. I thought Brazilian women didn't need it.

[QUOTE=Questner;2477042]LOL more like a bucket of silicone inside both her tits and her butt![/QUOTE]

Here are a couple of more natural Brasileiras who knocked around Rio in the 2000's. Kelly and Babalu did some nice porn work as well.

[URL]https://www.empflix.com/latina-porn/babalu-and-kelly/video964291[/URL]]

I can personally attest that Kelly's body was sublime. Kelly just always seemed to be having a good time hanging out with gringos at the beachside venues in Copa.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477135]Serious? I came across too much of that in Colombia, not so much in Brazil. I thought Brazilian women didn't need it.[/QUOTE]Most don't, but Brazilians love plastic surgery. It's relatively affordable now and Brazilian plastic surgeons are quite competent. I don't need DD breasts and a monster ass, but try telling that to a Brazilian hooker.

I can surely attest that the Brasileira butt is a real thing. I tend towards Morenas so I don't know if that tips the scale some but the Brasileira bunda is unique worldwide in my opinion. Larger than you might expect for a tiny waist but not fat. Not jiggly. Nice round shape, nice and firm without being gym-rat hard.

It is unique. I've seen a TON of girls worldwide and maybe 20-30 in Brasil. Of those in Brasil I'the say half or more had that unique Brasileira bunda you don't find elsewhere. It's a magical creation and a natural gift that can't be replicated. OMG I miss my Brasileiras.

I'm guessing silicone is not allowed in the Miss Bum Bum competition. So many natural big bums, only in Brazil.

There seems to be a correlation with their butt obsession and being open to anal. No where else in the world are the girls so open to doing anal.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2477397]I can surely attest that the Brasileira butt is a real thing. I tend towards Morenas so I don't know if that tips the scale some but the Brasileira bunda is unique worldwide in my opinion. Larger than you might expect for a tiny waist but not fat. Not jiggly. Nice round shape, nice and firm without being gym-rat hard.[/QUOTE]

It is a real thing. Men from other Latin American countries and African-American men (who are known to appreciate a nice ass) will tell you Brazil is the bomb.

I always say that 95% of the time when a Brazilian girl takes off her tight pants her junk stays in place exactly where it was with the pants. Most American girls sadly need tight pants to hold everything in place.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2477597]It is a real thing. Men from other Latin American countries and African-American men (who are known to appreciate a nice ass) will tell you Brazil is the bomb.

I always say that 95% of the time when a Brazilian girl takes off her tight pants her junk stays in place exactly where it was with the pants. Most American girls sadly need tight pants to hold everything in place.[/QUOTE]And sometimes when a Brasiliera takes her jeans off you get surprised. Like damn girl you were hiding all of that junk in the trunk? One thing I love about Brazil is that you can find even plenty of white girls with plump, round booty. And they know how to use them too. Lord have mercy! First time I went to Brazil I just about lost my mind! Brazil immediately shot to number 1 among permanent monger member nations, and has not relinquished that position for even a single day. A permanent security council member! Some guys here go for the negras. Some for the morenas. My "krypronite" is big booty Brazilian blondes, like in the attached. Although, I go for the big bunda morenas too (example also attached).

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477532]There seems to be a correlation with their butt obsession and being open to anal. No where else in the world are the girls so open to doing anal.[/QUOTE]I am interested in anal only with girls with very huge butts. If a babe has a normal sized butt I have absolutely no interest in doing anal.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477532]There seems to be a correlation with their butt obsession and being open to anal. No where else in the world are the girls so open to doing anal.[/QUOTE]Although I have had tremendous success obtaining anal sex with attractive girls working at the FKKs in Germany (normally between 50% up to high 60's). This makes Germany my second favorite destination. Also a lot of success in Spain too though. But no place can top Brazil where I am easily always at 70% butt fucked. And as I have said before, I am 100% confident that if I lowered my standards some, then 100% of my sessions in Brazil could include anal. But hey, even an anal connoisseur needs a break from the butt holes every now and then. And remember. No matter where I'm at, I'm getting that pussy 100% of the time! OK? LOL!

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2476097]I have been in many situations in various countries where I decided to pay more. It may have been because of service, attitude or because I knew it meant a lot to the recipient.

However, I will walk away, and suggest everyone else does also when you are told you need to pay more because you are a rich gringo. I don't negotiate. I just walk away. If everyone walked away it would stop.

There have been many girls in Brazil who have spent the night (s) with me and never asked for anything. Others, some minimal amount. Being caring, compassionate and generous is not the same as being gullible or stupid. Some people tend to confuse one with the other.[/QUOTE]You have been here a long time ET and certainly aren't a chump.

I think we possibly have a similar attitude. Compared to the cost of living, girls offering p4 p are well paid. One should, in my opinion, always be aware of the actual local rate when buying or paying for anything, especially when there is no shortage, and there is no shortage of p4 p in Brasil so even with their crazy logic it's still a buyers' market.

Prices in Brasil, as in other countries, often go up when sufficient numbers of foreigners, usually Americans, pay over the going rate and then export that other American custom of tipping for everything. It's understandable given the price of p4 p if you can get it in the USA without going to the hood, but totally unnecessary when traveling abroad. A bit like wearing a Texas hat and talking in a loud voice.

If a girl is good, I am helping her by giving her repeat business, not by overpaying, egregiously tipping, and stimulating her greed. Tipping is something I have only done very exceptionally. She's paid a fair rate for a good service. Attempts at skimming by asking for a tip should be laughed off. If she's insistent, that lowers the value of the service she's given in my opinion and reduced the chance of repeat business.

In a situation where there are a limited number of top girls available, it is not uncommon for an American chump (caixa automtica) to be given special attention. It's almost like frisking. I often spent the whole night at VM (in the days when it was better value) seeing several girls. One evening a regular asked me to come back a little later. I asked her why as I knew she always gave me first option. "An American" she answered, rolling her eyes in a certain direction (I think the chump had actually driven to VM). No-one passes up on a free cash dispenser.

I'll buy a girl a drink occasionally if they're normal prices. One overnighter asked me for an expensive taxi fare home. That hadn't been part of the bargain. She had mentioned the night before that she lived just the other side of Botafogo. I took her to the window and indicated the correct bus stop. I also kept spare coppers on the mantelpiece ready stacked for bus fares. I gave her a kiss and told her to help herself rather than bother with a taxi.

[QUOTE=Jan156;2477671]Prices in Brasil, as in other countries, often go up when sufficient numbers of foreigners, usually Americans, pay over the going rate and then export that other American custom of tipping for everything. It's understandable given the price of p4 p if you can get it in the USA without going to the hood, but totally unnecessary when traveling abroad. A bit like wearing a Texas hat and talking in a loud voice.[/QUOTE]Americans aren't the only ones. Germans and Asians are also known to "pay high". Even an Italian or two from time to time.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477532]There seems to be a correlation with their butt obsession and being open to anal. No where else in the world are the girls so open to doing anal.[/QUOTE]Being surrounded by all those great asses all day, I think it's the Brazilian men that demand it. I wouldn't presume Brazilian women demand it. Now many Brasileiras know their ass is their stock in trade and know anal drives many men crazy.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2475387]Sounds like you'll be one of the first bud.

Have a good trip and please let us know how the entry process goes as well as a report on what the current situation is like down there.

Muito obrigado.[/QUOTE]Just finished up a trip to São Paulo. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I got insurance online for 5 days for $16 worth $1 million and $0 deductible. $500 k and $0 deductible was $11.

Arrival was easy and smooth. The immigration agent just made sure that my trip dates and insurance coincided. Everyone wears masks everywhere and I don't see any enforcement. The citizens just do it.

I didn't go to any bars. I got one from photo accompanates. I was talking to her two weeks before my arrival and had agreed to pay for a whole weekend. I prefer that since I am not the "wham bam thank you ma'am" type. Had some amazing sex (no anal) all weekend.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2477761]Just finished up a trip to So Paulo. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I got insurance online for 5 days for $16 worth $1 million and $0 deductible. $500 k and $0 deductible was $11.

Arrival was easy and smooth. The immigration agent just made sure that my trip dates and insurance coincided. Everyone wears masks everywhere and I don't see any enforcement. The citizens just do it.

I didn't go to any bars. I got one from photo accompanates. I was talking to her two weeks before my arrival and had agreed to pay for a whole weekend. I prefer that since I am not the "wham bam thank you ma'am" type. Had some amazing sex (no anal) all weekend.[/QUOTE]Very helpful info, good to see things getting back. I've had 2 trips to GRU cancelled on me this year. Hopefully the 3rd time will work, but I sadly won't be able to squeeze those perfectly formed booties till December.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2477619]I am interested in anal only with girls with very huge butts. If a babe has a normal sized butt I have absolutely no interest in doing anal.[/QUOTE]But if its too big, you can't see or get it all the way in LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2477623]Although I have had tremendous success obtaining anal sex with attractive girls working at the FKKs in Germany (normally between 50% up to high 60's). This makes Germany my second favorite destination. Also a lot of success in Spain too though. But no place can top Brazil where I am easily always at 70% butt fucked. And as I have said before, I am 100% confident that if I lowered my standards some, then 100% of my sessions in Brazil could include anal. But hey, even an anal connoisseur needs a break from the butt holes every now and then. And remember. No matter where I'm at, I'm getting that pussy 100% of the time! OK? LOL![/QUOTE]Most Brasilierias do not charge extra for anal unlike other working girls in the world. I hate the ala carte shit in other countries.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2477751]Being surrounded by all those great asses all day, I think it's the Brazilian men that demand it. I wouldn't presume Brazilian women demand it. Now many Brasileiras know their ass is their stock in trade and know anal drives many men crazy.[/QUOTE]Colombianas love ass attention also but they definitely are not as open to anal sex like brasilerias.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477812]Most Brasilierias do not charge extra for anal unlike other working girls in the world. I hate the ala carte shit in other countries.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's quite amazing even if it's not prearranged. Sometimes in the middle of a session a Brasileira will ask you if you want to do her in the ass. Many times a polite request will be answered with a quick okay.

Of course if you know some basic Portuguese, you can screen the girls in the various venues. It's not hard to find a willing volunteer.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477813]Colombianas love ass attention also but they definitely are not as open to anal sex like brasilerias.[/QUOTE]I have been in Brazil for years and have talked to hundreds of GPS. There is no correlation between a beautiful ass and the girls affinity for anal sex. All the Brazilian women want a shapely ass, its a matter of national pride after all, but only a small percentage actually like anal sex. I personally do not like anal and therefore many are quick to confide in me that they only do it for the money because most Brazilian men are fanatics for anal, and they get pressured into it from a business perspective. Every once in a while I meet someone that actually says she likes it, but very infrequently.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2477761]Just finished up a trip to So Paulo. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I got insurance online for 5 days for $16 worth $1 million and $0 deductible. $500 k and $0 deductible was $11.

Arrival was easy and smooth. The immigration agent just made sure that my trip dates and insurance coincided. Everyone wears masks everywhere and I don't see any enforcement. The citizens just do it.

I didn't go to any bars. I got one from photo accompanates. I was talking to her two weeks before my arrival and had agreed to pay for a whole weekend. I prefer that since I am not the "wham bam thank you ma'am" type. Had some amazing sex (no anal) all weekend.[/QUOTE]This is great new reading the forum got me juiced up hopes on line and got Round trip with a flight to Rio in the middle from NorCal for what I thought was a great price. Will be reading the forum and appreciate any DMs, first time to Brazil I got cold feet last year and went to Colombia instead. Glad to hear it when smooth a friend put me up on seven corners insurance I got my insurance and I'm ready. It's like $44 dollars for 2 weeks with a deductible. Glad to hear it's all good looking forward to November.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2477761]Just finished up a trip to So Paulo. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I got insurance online for 5 days for $16 worth $1 million and $0 deductible. $500 k and $0 deductible was $11.

Arrival was easy and smooth. The immigration agent just made sure that my trip dates and insurance coincided. Everyone wears masks everywhere and I don't see any enforcement. The citizens just do it.

I didn't go to any bars. I got one from photo accompanates. I was talking to her two weeks before my arrival and had agreed to pay for a whole weekend. I prefer that since I am not the "wham bam thank you ma'am" type. Had some amazing sex (no anal) all weekend.[/QUOTE]How locked down was the city? Do you know if any of the bars / clubs / restaurants even open at all? I have a trip booked for Nov. That was suppose to be for the F1 race that got cancelled. Now I am not sure if it is worth the flight.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2477761]Just finished up a trip to So Paulo. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

I got insurance online for 5 days for $16 worth $1 million and $0 deductible. $500 k and $0 deductible was $11.

I didn't go to any bars. I got one from photo accompanates. I was talking to her two weeks before my arrival and had agreed to pay for a whole weekend. I prefer that since I am not the "wham bam thank you ma'am" type. Had some amazing sex (no anal) all weekend.[/QUOTE]Yes, finally some positive feedback. Would you mind sharing what insurance company you used?

Maybe pull the trigger in October but hoping some clubs open like Bomboa and Scandallo so I can get the full experience.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2477976]Yes, it's quite amazing even if it's not prearranged. Sometimes in the middle of a session a Brasileira will ask you if you want to do her in the ass. Many times a polite request will be answered with a quick okay.

Of course if you know some basic Portuguese, you can screen the girls in the various venues. It's not hard to find a willing volunteer.[/QUOTE]Or when you're boning her from behind and she starts fingering her butthole. Only in Brasil.

Reopening next week Sept 2.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2477810]But if its too big, you can't see or get it all the way in LOL.[/QUOTE]You need to try it. Have her bent over on her knees at the edge of the bed, head and shoulders down on the bed, ass towards you facing upwards, spread those cheeks and voila! A most tempting invitation that you won't resist.

Reopening Sept 2.

I will be there in two weeks.

I was supposed to spend some time in São Paulo last week but cancelled. A couple of my Rio providers that make the bus or air trip weekly have mentioned that Bahamas Club is where most of the Bomboa girls are now and that it the venue of choice right now. Hear it is slightly cheaper than Bomboa and the quality is high. Can anyone confirm?

[QUOTE=Safado69;2478220]I was supposed to spend some time in So Paulo last week but cancelled. A couple of my Rio providers that make the bus or air trip weekly have mentioned that Bahamas Club is where most of the Bomboa girls are now and that it the venue of choice right now. Hear it is slightly cheaper than Bomboa and the quality is high. Can anyone confirm?[/QUOTE]Scandallo and Bomboa were always considered the leaders and Bahamas an "also ran" but with both closed the girls have to go somewhere. Seems like a logical choice if it stayed open.

News below is Scandallo opens Sept 2. I'the love to hear the first report. Supposedly some remodeling or expansion which is hard to imagine since it was already huge and luxe. Can't wait to hear.

Greetings to all. 1st time poster. 1st time to Brazil beginning 10 Sept. Thru mid Oct. Airbnb Moema for 11 days. Rio next for 10 ish days again airbnb in Lapa. I don't.

Know if the nightlife, street scene will have returned by then. But hoping. I want to try out the Centro options and it's a short ride to Copa. I like staying in locals.

Play zones, and making local friends. I'm a senior guy and happy with 1 shot a day / night, so socializing at night, Restaurants and clubbing is most of my fun. I don't speak.

Portuguese at all, but I've found google translate, especially conversation mode, works well enough in most situations where I'm language challenged. Flirting and eye candy.

I return to SP and have an Airbnb for the balance of my stay in Consolacao, near are Agusta and Av Paulista.

Thank you all for the wonderful info that you have shared on this and the Rio board. I have read both back a year or more, and feel like I'm good to go. With caution.

I've been practicing our hobby for 20+ years, mostly in SEA. 4 years ago I began visiting Colombia and I love it. I have many friends in Bogota and Medellin, but CoNogo.

Keeps me away. I've wanted to visit Brazil for a long time, but the Paisa were a strong siren song. I wonder if Brazileiras will tilt me. I'm not a big poster, but I owe.

A large debt to the board for all the good sharing. I will post a few times on my visit to help update "boots on the ground" I wish you all well. Treetopflyr.

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[QUOTE=Hobbying;2478218]Reopening Sept 2.

I will be there in two weeks.[/QUOTE]Source for that?

Therefore I'll probably hit Sao Paulo in October, in one of the few countries in the World that will still have my European monger's arse.

From the escort sites I deduce most of the online action is in Moema / Jardins. Can you pundits confirm this is where I should try to get a rental?

I'll bring a lot of cash since the withdrawal limit on credit cards is so ridiculously low. Anything above 10 k reais is to be declared at customs. They have an online form for declaring cash ahead of landing. I hope there's no hassle with that. Having money to spend on pussy is one thing, accessing that same money in pussy countries is quite another.

I'm looking at a monthly rental between 1200 and 1800 USD. Any suggestion welcome.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478449]Therefore I'll probably hit Sao Paulo in October, in one of the few countries in the World that will still have my European monger's arse.

From the escort sites I deduce most of the online action is in Moema / Jardins. Can you pundits confirm this is where I should try to get a rental?

I'll bring a lot of cash since the withdrawal limit on credit cards is so ridiculously low. Anything above 10 k reais is to be declared at customs. They have an online form for declaring cash ahead of landing. I hope there's no hassle with that. Having money to spend on pussy is one thing, accessing that same money in pussy countries is quite another.

I'm looking at a monthly rental between 1200 and 1800 USD. Any suggestion welcome.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Brazil, Bradesco was my favorite place to withdraw funds from an ATM. I could take 2,500 reals out at a time, for as many times as I wanted to. This was more than enough for me. They charged a fee, but my institution refunds all such fees. I recommend Bradesco, but don't use any machine out on the street. Only withdraw from spots where you can go inside to get your money. Santander was also good, but I could only withdraw 1,000 reals at a time at that bank's machines (again as many times as I wanted to).

[QUOTE=XXL;2478449]From the escort sites I deduce most of the online action is in Moema / Jardins. Can you pundits confirm this is where I should try to get a rental?

I'll bring a lot of cash since the withdrawal limit on credit cards is so ridiculously low. Anything above 10 k reais is to be declared at customs. They have an online form for declaring cash ahead of landing. I hope there's no hassle with that. Having money to spend on pussy is one thing, accessing that same money in pussy countries is quite another.[/QUOTE]Moema / Jardins are good places to stay. I believe Jardins is more walkable, but parts of Moema are convenient to things clinicas, Shopping Ibirapuera, etc. There are a lot of escorts in both areas so I always suggest doing some research and finding a highly recommended escort for incall or outcall that will blow your mind. While booking an escort is not as exciting as the clubs, the top SP escorts are as hot as Scandallo girls and it's a cheaper route. But do go to the clubs.

We've had debates here over whether to use ATMs or bring cash. Some of us use ATMs and have had no problem with our cards being violated. Others prefer to bring a lot of cash. I've never had a problem with the daily limit on withdrawals. It really depends on what you have in mind with the girls. If you do bring cash, try to find a rental with a small safe.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2478464]... If you do bring cash, try to find a rental with a small safe.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that would be the first thing I'd look for in a rental.

I also assume the casas de cambio will want to see the passport. So in the end whenever you go out to get cash either you risk you credit card or you risk your passport.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2478464]There are a lot of escorts in both areas so I always suggest doing some research and finding a highly recommended escort for incall or outcall that will blow your mind.

We've had debates here over whether to use ATMs or bring cash. Some of us use ATMs and have had no problem with our cards being violated. Others prefer to bring a lot of cash. I've never had a problem with the daily limit on withdrawals. It really depends on what you have in mind with the girls. If you do bring cash, try to find a rental with a small safe.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice on both things. The problem with online is the possibility of the girl not being the same as the photos or not looking good on arrival / looking like she just got up. The research part you mentioned is a must. Look for the ones with positive reviews on sites like gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].

For ATM use, set your own daily withdrawal limit on the card before travel and set alerts for withdrawals too. This way you get a sms or email after every use. As an added safety measure, you can lock cards after you make a withdrawal. Check to see if your card has the lock / unlock feature.

Wyatt, delete some of your PMs.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478468]I also assume the casas de cambio will want to see the passport. So in the end whenever you go out to get cash either you risk you credit card or you risk your passport.[/QUOTE]I hear what you are saying about the passports. While I keep it locked up, I am less concerned about it than in the old days. I am not an expert, but I think they have digital inventories and my consulate won't leave me hanging in the event it is stolen. Of course like a lot of things, it's the hassle of having it stolen. Some idiot still might think it has value and take it anyway.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2478453]Last time I was in Brazil, Bradesco was my favorite place to withdraw funds from an ATM. I could take 2,500 reals out at a time, for as many times as I wanted to. This was more than enough for me. They charged a fee, but my institution refunds all such fees. I recommend Bradesco, but don't use any machine out on the street. Only withdraw from spots where you can go inside to get your money. Santander was also good, but I could only withdraw 1,000 reals at a time at that bank's machines (again as many times as I wanted to).[/QUOTE]My experience:

Santander had the most fee and worst conversion rate.

Bredesco is better, no fee for me, can take out multiple times in one day, conversion is based on yesterday's rate.

Banco do Brasil no luck getting money out like last year, they said its a glitch yea right.

Itau, no luck card does not work.

Banco 24 horas, like Santander.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2478371]Source for that?[/QUOTE]Couple of girls and people that work there.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2478484]Excellent advice on both things. The problem with online is the possibility of the girl not being the same as the photos or not looking good on arrival / looking like she just got up. The research part you mentioned is a must. Look for the ones with positive reviews on sites like gp-guia.net.[/QUOTE]Yes, do your research. Candid photos on Twitter are now common for Brasilian escorts. If they have good reviews, the Twitter girls are good to follow.

There's some slick photos on sites like [URL]clubmodel.com[/URL]. Often, the girls advertise for a short period. Many times they either have mediocre reviews or no on-line footprint whatsoever. Enigmas, no matter how good their photos look, aren't a good choice for someone traveling through with limited language skills.

What's really cool about Jardins and Moema is that a hot, well-reviewed escort could be in a building right down the street. It's so cool to go downstairs get a coffee or a cocktail walk a block and meet your escort. You can also have her come over or meet you at a bar on the street.

As far as gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL], I speak a little Portuguese, but I can understand the reviews. Google Translate helps a lot. As most people know, it's best to follow prolific reviewers. Do not be solely influenced by someone who has only written one or two reviews.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478449]Therefore I'll probably hit Sao Paulo in October, in one of the few countries in the World that will still have my European monger's arse.

From the escort sites I deduce most of the online action is in Moema / Jardins. Can you pundits confirm this is where I should try to get a rental?

I'll bring a lot of cash since the withdrawal limit on credit cards is so ridiculously low. Anything above 10 k reais is to be declared at customs. They have an online form for declaring cash ahead of landing. I hope there's no hassle with that. Having money to spend on pussy is one thing, accessing that same money in pussy countries is quite another.

I'm looking at a monthly rental between 1200 and 1800 USD. Any suggestion welcome.[/QUOTE]I would stay at Marriott Apt, its like 85 USD a day with full service of a hotel and more secure.

The clubs and clinics take credit cards for the girls so I do not take large amount of money with me. Clubs will have 10% surcharge but I do not care with the exchange rate so good.

I'll be there in Oct also.

I see many high-end escorts advertising payment by credit card ("aceita cartoes"). Do they have a credit card machine that prints out a receipt? This could be a game-changer for avoiding the hassle of getting cash. If it involves going online to make the payment I'd rather not.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478551]I see many high-end escorts advertising payment by credit card ("aceita cartoes"). Do they have a credit card machine that prints out a receipt? This could be a game-changer for avoiding the hassle of getting cash. If it involves going online to make the payment I'd rather not.[/QUOTE]Can send money through Whatsapp.

[URL]https://www.whatsapp.com/payments/br[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2478558]Can send money through Whatsapp.

[URL]https://www.whatsapp.com/payments/br[/URL][/QUOTE]Can you do this anonymously? I've found it hard to send money without the girl learning your real name. Can What's be used anonymously?

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2478535]I would stay at Marriott Apt, its like 85 USD a day with full service of a hotel and more secure.[/QUOTE]Do you know how the Marriott Apts compare to the Hilton Doubletree Itaim? I have status with both, but the doubletree is cheaper. Like 330 reals a night in November.

[QUOTE=RMundi000;2478593]Do you know how the Marriott Apts compare to the Hilton Doubletree Itaim? I have status with both, but the doubletree is cheaper. Like 330 reals a night in November.[/QUOTE]Can't comment on the Marriott but just booked a month at the Itaim DoubleTree 10 nights on points rest cash. Stayed before during the renovation work, rooms are fine, breakfast left a lot to be desired. No problem with guests.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478551]I see many high-end escorts advertising payment by credit card ("aceita cartoes"). Do they have a credit card machine that prints out a receipt? This could be a game-changer for avoiding the hassle of getting cash. If it involves going online to make the payment I'd rather not.[/QUOTE]The ones who take cards have there own mini reader, connects to mobile phone.

[QUOTE=XXL;2478449]Therefore I'll probably hit Sao Paulo in October, in one of the few countries in the World that will still have my European monger's arse..[/QUOTE]You will get lovely apartments on Airbnb for less then that, just booked at the Einstein hospital complexe Morumbi, €1550 for 2 months, November / December.

[QUOTE=RMundi000;2478593]Do you know how the Marriott Apts compare to the Hilton Doubletree Itaim? I have status with both, but the doubletree is cheaper. Like 330 reals a night in November.[/QUOTE]I have not stayed at Hilton. Marriott Apt is like 5 minutes from Cafe Photo and a few blocks from the park. The apts have kitchens and food at the restaurant was pretty good.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2478591]Can you do this anonymously? I've found it hard to send money without the girl learning your real name. Can What's be used anonymously?[/QUOTE]I have not tried it yet. But another way to use credit card is if you get one of them prepaid and load money and does not need your name.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2478624]Can't comment on the Marriott but just booked a month at the Itaim DoubleTree 10 nights on points rest cash. Stayed before during the renovation work, rooms are fine, breakfast left a lot to be desired. No problem with guests.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info! I have stayed at a few doubletrees in South America and I think only the one in Lima had good breakfast. Which is a shame because Marriott makes their gold members pay for breakfast where Hilton properties its free.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2478804]I have not stayed at Hilton. Marriott Apt is like 5 minutes from Cafe Photo and a few blocks from the park. The apts have kitchens and food at the restaurant was pretty good.[/QUOTE]FWIW Photo will not reopen at that address, thankfully. I hate that vibe. They will reopen at a new location, probably on Bandeirantes, and hopefully with a less up tight vibe.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2478591]Can you do this anonymously? I've found it hard to send money without the girl learning your real name. Can What's be used anonymously?[/QUOTE]Never mind I figured out how to use PayPal for this just using an email address for the girl. It gave me like a 5. 4 exchange. Can't believe how cheap the Real is. It was 4. 0 last summer.

Key to being anonymous on PayPal is to open a business account. You need your real name and real funding but the recipient sees only the business name and address. Be careful obviously with the address. I believe you can set it to something random since your home address is the key identifier in PayPal's database.

Would some of my smarter ISG guys recommend I buy some reals now while they are so low. I'm coming down in November and feel I should take advantage. I only worry about a surge stopping the trip and the real rebounding and having to sell them back at a lesser rate.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2479020]Never mind I figured out how to use PayPal for this just using an email address for the girl. It gave me like a 5. 4 exchange. Can't believe how cheap the Real is. It was 4. 0 last summer.

Key to being anonymous on PayPal is to open a business account. You need your real name and real funding but the recipient sees only the business name and address. Be careful obviously with the address. I believe you can set it to something random since your home address is the key identifier in PayPal's database.[/QUOTE]Thought the fees are high, 5.4 when real rate was 5. 6 when you did it?

[QUOTE=BMo814;2479203]Would some of my smarter ISG guys recommend I buy some reals now while they are so low. I'm coming down in November and feel I should take advantage. I only worry about a surge stopping the trip and the real rebounding and having to sell them back at a lesser rate.[/QUOTE]I would speculate that it will go higher as spending and new GDP numbers are released in the coming months. It was 5.96 a few weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2479329]Thought the fees are high, 5.4 when real rate was 5. 6 when you did it?[/QUOTE]Yeah probably true. But I was only sending a bit of money and it's chump change in the scheme of things vs the convenience.

I don't understand all the anxiety over payment methods. Its 2020 guys. I haven't worried about payment since the early 2000's. Just get a credit card and bank account that have no foreign transaction fees. Problem solved. Use credit card for all normal consumer transactions and cash for P4 P. Only Withdraw cash from ATMs that are located inside banks that have visible security. Follow these simple steps and you have convenience and safety.

Worst case, with mobile alerts you will be aware quickly of any fraudulent activity.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2479203]Would some of my smarter ISG guys recommend I buy some reals now while they are so low. I'm coming down in November and feel I should take advantage. I only worry about a surge stopping the trip and the real rebounding and having to sell them back at a lesser rate.[/QUOTE]It's usually not a bad idea to buy "some" currency with a trip on the short-term horizon. I discourage my friends of stockpiling currency for multiple trips over the next few years. This might make some sense if you were going to live in Brazil for awhile. Otherwise, it's hard to guess the market.

The general mistake people make about currencies is that it takes two currencies to tango. In other words, the US $ in recent months has been weak against peers as the Fed prints money and tries to prop up the COVID economy. I see no reason to see that change before the election.

Is Brazil in worse shape with the virus and economy? Perhaps, but there is a lot of uncertainty. Some news on the vaccine front could be more beneficial for Brazil relative to the USA. So you have a lot of volatility and the risk your trip will be cancelled. I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479506]I don't understand all the anxiety over payment methods. Its 2020 guys. I haven't worried about payment since the early 2000's. Just get a credit card and bank account that have no foreign transaction fees. Problem solved. Use credit card for all normal consumer transactions and cash for P4 P. Only Withdraw cash from ATMs that are located inside banks that have visible security. Follow these simple steps and you have convenience and safety.

Worst case, with mobile alerts you will be aware quickly of any fraudulent activity.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%, spent over 5 months in Brazil last year, pre Covid this year, used credit card to cover entry fees & drinks in Rio Termas & many SP clubs, used cash for the girls because clubs that will take girl payment charge a supplement. All the clubs show up as some restaurant or other & I had no issues or problems at all. Will do the same on planned trip later this year.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479506]I don't understand all the anxiety over payment methods. Its 2020 guys. I haven't worried about payment since the early 2000's. Just get a credit card and bank account that have no foreign transaction fees. Problem solved...[/QUOTE]Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=XXL;2479749]Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]Bredesco lets you take out multiple withdrawals from the same machine until you hit your daily limit for your bank. I've taken out 5000 are before.

[QUOTE=XXL;2479749]Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]I'm not exactly sure that rate of expenditure is realistic for most of us. 1500 R is a lot to spend in Brazil every day for sixty days. (I can hear ABG saying you could live at a clinica for that amount.) Regardless if you keep that pace, I believe most of the boates and clinicas accept credit / debit cards. Hell, some of the top escorts will take credit card. It goes without saying most groceries and restaurants take credit / debit cards.

Some guys like having a lot of cash traveling abroad. They feel more secure having it on-hand. Some of my crew goes to Brazil and other locales with a wad of cash in their pants or bag and promptly deposit it in the safe deposit box in their room. You also have some guys who are in cash businesses. Some of their income never sees a bank account.

Between ATMs and charging, I've been fine with my cards (no FX fees). The one time I had a problem abroad I had a new card the next day. So yes have some back-up.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479506]I don't understand all the anxiety over payment methods. Its 2020 guys. I haven't worried about payment since the early 2000's. Just get a credit card and bank account that have no foreign transaction fees. Problem solved. Use credit card for all normal consumer transactions and cash for P4 P. Only Withdraw cash from ATMs that are located inside banks that have visible security. Follow these simple steps and you have convenience and safety.

Worst case, with mobile alerts you will be aware quickly of any fraudulent activity.[/QUOTE]Bingo!

I think on the Rio thread some guys occasionally experience getting much better than the published market rate for foreign exchange. I have not been so lucky. Back in the 1990's, some local cash businesses would be aggressively seeking Dollars. I personally haven't seen this in years.

So if this happens, it appears to be a timing thing and hunting down the best rate on the ground. It also might be a Rio thing when the timing is right.

[QUOTE=XXL;2479749]Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]I assume your calculation of 120 ATM withdrawals implied a little exaggeration and sarcasm. But I do agree the more you withdrawal from the ATM the more your risk increases. I think its perfectly fine to just rely on ATM for short stays of 1-2 weeks. However, anything longer than that I would bring some cash as a backup. The amount would depend on the length of stay. I stayed in Sao Paulo and Rio for 2.5 months on my last trip. In Sao Paulo I relied solely on my ATM card. And in Rio I used a bit of both ATM card and dollar (the casas de cambios in Copa gave out fantastic exchange rates). Of course my daily sex budget was no where near R1500 per day. That seems like an unrealistic daily average for a 2 month stay. I can see some weekend warriors splurging that amount of money. Also the R1000 max withdrawal limit also seems unrealistic. My bank (and I think most banks) allows much more than that. Every person is different on how they obtain and spend their money. But the bottom line is be extra care with your money when you are abroad. Especially in Brazil, only use ATM machines that are located inside banks and / or in areas of high traffic.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2479762]Regardless if you keep that pace, I believe most of the boates and clinicas accept credit / debit cards. Hell, some of the top escorts will take credit card. It goes without saying most groceries and restaurants take credit / debit cards.[/QUOTE]The boates, clinicas and escorts who take credit cards usually tack on a fee. While the fee is not much, it does add up, especially on a long trip. That's why I almost always pay in cash. But sometimes it can be a pain in the ass. The ATM machines almost always dispense large bills so the smaller bills are hard to come by. I always try to give the girls the exact change as most can't break up the big bills. I even had instances in clinicas where they couldn't give my change right away and told me they would have it after the session. I remember one time in Rio, I forget about my change upon leaving the casa. It was only after I got back to my place that I realized that. I immediately went back to the casa and got my change. LOL.

[QUOTE=XXL;2479749]Sex budget let's say 1500 R per day. Maximum ATM withdrawal 1000 R. Allowing for other expenditures (beside rent) that means 2 ATM withdrawals each day. If you stay for 2 months it means 120 ATM withdrawals. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]First of all I have taken 2000 at a pop out of Santander, and I am not even sure if that is the limit. Plus you can do multiple withdrawals until you hit your own bank limit. Frankly if you can't working girl till you drop daily on less than 1500 reias you are doing something wrong. I do top girls every day for 300 reias for 2 hours. Just got to play the game right. Top as in both great looks and service.

Also as I said in original post if you want to maximize your cash for P4P you use the credit card for all other commercial activity. I reemphasize, this should be a non problem.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2479779]The boates, clinicas and escorts who take credit cards usually tack on a fee. While the fee is not much, it does add up, especially on a long trip. That's why I almost always pay in cash. But sometimes it can be a pain in the ass. The ATM machines almost always dispense large bills so the smaller bills are hard to come by. I always try to give the girls the exact change as most can't break up the big bills. I even had instances in clinicas where they couldn't give my change right away and told me they would have it after the session. I remember one time in Rio, I forget about my change upon leaving the casa. It was only after I got back to my place that I realized that. I immediately went back to the casa and got my change. LOL.[/QUOTE]The ARMs dispense mostly 50's and 100's yes. But every free lancer charges a multiple of 50 so I see no problem. Every clinica or boate has change. I do this every day for years and I have never had a problem with cash in putaria, never. In fact the clinicas and the boates are the only places in Brazil that reliably have change.

This whole thread is the biggest mountain of a mole hill ever.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2479774]I assume your calculation of 120 ATM withdrawals implied a little exaggeration and sarcasm. But I do agree the more you withdrawal from the ATM the more your risk increases. I think its perfectly fine to just rely on ATM for short stays of 1-2 weeks. However, anything longer than that I would bring some cash as a backup. The amount would depend on the length of stay. I stayed in Sao Paulo and Rio for 2.5 months on my last trip. In Sao Paulo I relied solely on my ATM card. And in Rio I used a bit of both ATM card and dollar (the casas de cambios in Copa gave out fantastic exchange rates). Of course my daily sex budget was no where near R1500 per day. That seems like an unrealistic daily average for a 2 month stay. I can see some weekend warriors splurging that amount of money. Also the R1000 max withdrawal limit also seems unrealistic. My bank (and I think most banks) allows much more than that. Every person is different on how they obtain and spend their money. But the bottom line is be extra care with your money when you are abroad. Especially in Brazil, only use ATM machines that are located inside banks and / or in areas of high traffic.[/QUOTE]I live here and I do cash withdrawals all the time so I think that qualifies as more than a short stay. Just be smart and use ATMs located in banks that have visible security guards. I have used santander in Moema for 3 years without a single incident. In 10 years in Brazil I got cloned 2 times, both at bradesco, once in Rio and once in SP. The last time was in 2015.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2479766]Bingo!

I think on the Rio thread some guys occasionally experience getting much better than the published market rate for foreign exchange. I have not been so lucky. Back in the 1990's, some local cash businesses would be aggressively seeking Dollars. I personally haven't seen this in years.

So if this happens, it appears to be a timing thing and hunting down the best rate on the ground. It also might be a Rio thing when the timing is right.[/QUOTE]With the usdbrl over 5 no one should be complaining about any exchange rate, I use Santander ATM and I don't even think aa out it. I am sure it is as good or better than exchanging money at a cambio.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479809]First of all I have taken 2000 at a pop out of Santander, and I am not even sure if that is the limit. Plus you can do multiple withdrawals until you hit your own bank limit. Frankly if you can't working girl till you drop daily on less than 1500 reias you are doing something wrong. I do top girls every day for 300 reias for 2 hours. Just got to play the game right. Top as in both great looks and service.

Also as I said in original post if you want to maximize your cash for P4P you use the credit card for all other commercial activity. I reemphasize, this should be a non problem.[/QUOTE]To clarify one thing I wrote so as not to create unrealistic expectations. I get top girls to see me for 300 reias 2 hours. A visitor should not expect that. But even if you pay double what I pay. You are looking at 300 per hour for good indies and 150-250 at very good clinicas. Paying above 300 an hour is a luxury fuck at a luxury clinica, boate, or an overpriced oversiliconed seasoned pro indy.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479812]I live here [/QUOTE]How is the vibe of the city since you are there?

Is it like NYC where it is a like ghost town?

Haven't book the trip yet since noticed all the clubs are closed at this time.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2479810]But every free lancer charges a multiple of 50 so I see no problem.[/QUOTE]Yes, I thought that was a strange comment. Freelancers don't have prices like 327 Reais.

I'm an ATM / credit card guy. The funny thing is every time I came back from Brazil I have all these small bills in my pocket. How do I accumulate all these small bills? Basically, Day One is hit the ATM then off to the grocery store. Even if you don't have a kitchen, buy some booze and snacks. The rest of the trip just kind of works out.

I even met a pro at a club once and told her I didn't have a lot of cash on me. She said that's okay you can pay me in the morning.

If you like cash, you like cash. Let's not scare first-timers.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2479896]Yes, I thought that was a strange comment. Freelancers don't have prices like 327 Reais.

I'm an ATM / credit card guy. The funny thing is every time I came back from Brazil I have all these small bills in my pocket. How do I accumulate all these small bills? Basically, Day One is hit the ATM then off to the grocery store. Even if you don't have a kitchen, buy some booze and snacks. The rest of the trip just kind of works out.

I even met a pro at a club once and told her I didn't have a lot of cash on me. She said that's okay you can pay me in the morning.

If you like cash, you like cash. Let's not scare first-timers.[/QUOTE]I was not trying to scare anyone. I was just trying to help and contribute to the forum based on what my experiences were. First off not EVERY freelancer charge in multiples of R50. If you don't believe me just go to the Acompanhantes SP section under Sao Paulo on GP-[URL]Guia.net[/URL]. There are reports from Brazilian guys of freelancers charging R60, R80, R120, R130, R140, R160, R180, R210, R215, R230, R260, R360, R370, etc. I guess all of them must be lying then. I don't doubt Rovnak fuck super models everyday for R300. But just because he never paid a price that is not in the multiples of R50, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I should of made it clearer that it could be a pain in the ass when you initally withdrawal from the ATM and get a wad of large notes. But yes I agree with you, as you use you money over time such as shop at grocery stores and eating out at restaurants, you will naturally accumulate smaller notes.

It didn't happen often but I've had incidents in both Rio and Sao Paulo where I go pay for the session and was told by the receptionist that she will give my change after my session or wait while she go and break the large notes I gave her because the clinica didn't have the exact change right at that moment. Did I always eventually get my change? Yes. But the statement Rovnak made, and I quote " Every clinica or boate has change. In fact the clinicas and the boates are the only places in Brazil that reliably have change. " somehow was not true in my experiences. Again, I am just stating the facts from my personal experiences. If 1000 times out of 1000 you got your exact change right on the spot without ever needing to wait, then Roynak, you are one lucky man.

I never warned people not to use ATM cards. In fact I stated in my original post that ATM was all I used when I stayed in Sao Paulo for 2 months. I was just suggesting to carry some dollars, just in case in the unlikely event that the ATM card gets cloned or lost. Its almost always a good idea to have backup plans, especially in a foreign country where one don't have easy access to his local bank back home.

No hard feelings guys. I don't doubt what WyattEarp and Roynak stated are true. But two statements can also be true at the same time. Like the rest of ISG, the Sao Paulo forum has not had any recent trip reports due to the pandemic. I am hoping that those ISG members who are going to Sao Paulo or Rio in the near future can post trip reports so us guys who can't go can at least experience Brazil once again vicariously.

With Scandallo opening soon (tomorrow?) I expect you local residents to have boots on the ground reports by week's end.

Would love to get down there in a week or so, as I already received the Moderna vaccine.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2479937]I was not trying to scare anyone. I was just trying to help and contribute to the forum based on what my experiences were. First off not EVERY freelancer charge in multiples of R50. If you don't believe me just go to the Acompanhantes SP section under Sao Paulo on GP-[URL]Guia.net[/URL]. There are reports from Brazilian guys of freelancers charging R60, R80, R120, R130, R140, R160, R180, R210, R215, R230, R260, R360, R370, etc. I guess all of them must be lying then. I don't doubt Rovnak fuck super models everyday for R300. But just because he never paid a price that is not in the multiples of R50, doesn't mean they don't exist.

I never warned people not to use ATM cards. In fact I stated in my original post that ATM was all I used when I stayed in Sao Paulo for 2 months. I was just suggesting to carry some dollars, just in case in the unlikely event that the ATM card gets cloned or lost. Its almost always a good idea to have backup plans, especially in a foreign country where one don't have easy access to his local bank back home..[/QUOTE]I think Wyatt was saying that he and I should not scare anyone who prefers to bring cash and exchange it.

As for non 50 segments. OK fair enough there are some freelance ads for 120 and 180 for example but most are multiples of 50. But I mean the absolute worse case you round up the extra 20 reais which is what 4 USD.

Yes, back up plan is essential, either cash as you suggested or a 2nd account which is what I have.

Its all good, whatever people want to do.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2479985]With Scandallo opening soon (tomorrow?) I expect you local residents to have boots on the ground reports by week's end.

Would love to get down there in a week or so, as I already received the Moderna vaccine.[/QUOTE]How do you know you did not get the placebo?

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2480165]How do you know you did not get the placebo?[/QUOTE]I felt under the weather for a couple days. I'm 80% sure I got the drug and that my mind is not playing tricks on me.

Confirmation will be in 3 weeks when I get the booster shot. The side effects are typically much more significant after the second injection, including fever. Then I'll know for sure.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2479985]With Scandallo opening soon (tomorrow?) I expect you local residents to have boots on the ground reports by week's end.[/QUOTE]Was told there were 200 girls there, not lowering their price either.

I see Scandallo Lounge is about to reopen. Since I had nothing to do I was on social media and saw some potential mongering spots that to my recollection had not been mentioned in the SP forum. [B]If anyone has time to check them out please report your findings[/B] or if you already know if any of these establishments please report your experiences. I haven't been to SP in such a long time so I cannot vouch for these establishments except for Love Story (but again I do not know how it is now). Some may be a distance away. Anyhoo. Just something I saw while on social media. I added some regular clubs just for fun. Copy paste links.

[B]Mongering spots:[/B]

Gauguin Club -Rua Arizona, 1550, Brooklin, 04567-003 Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil [URL]http://www.gauguinclub.com.br/[/URL] +55115505-5515.

812 Night Club -Guarulhos. Av. Carlos Ferreira Endres No812-Itapegica,07041-030 Guarulhos, SP, Brazil [URL]http://www.812club.com.br[/URL] +551195086-9949.

SPICY (Swing) CLUB -Alameda dos Pamaris, 42 Moema, So Paulo, SP [URL]https://spicyclub.com.br/[/URL] +551194762-2027.

2028 Augusta Bar -Rua Augusta, 2028,01412-000 - Cerqueira seesar, So Paulo / SP [URL]http://2028bar.com.br/[/URL] +551193407-8780.

Nova Ilha the Fantasia -Avenida Salim Farah Maluf - 3680 - Quarta Parada, So Paulo. SP [URL]https://www.ilhadafantasia.com.br/[/URL] +551198522-8046.

Playboy Night Club -Rua Tuiuti, 1230 - Tatuap, 03081-012 - So Paulo. SP [URL]https://playboynightclub.com.br/[/URL] +551197042-8340.

Connection Night Club -Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1178, Jardim Anlia Franco. So Paulo. SP [URL]http://www.connectionvip.com.br/[/URL] +55112672-1700.

[B]Regular[/B] Clubs (Mongering Potential*)

Dukke Entretenimento -Rua Funchal, 619, So Paulo, SP, Brazil [URL]https://www.facebook.com/DukKeSP[/URL].

Carioca Club -Rua Cardeal Arcoverde, 2899 [URL]http://web.cariocaclub.com.br/[/URL].

LE Reve -Rua. Marqus de Paranagu, 329 [URL]http://www.lereveclub.com.br/[/URL] [URL]https://youtu.be/PWtJR6x9bRM[/URL].

Love Story* - Rua. Arajo, 232 Repblica [URL]http://www.danceterialovestory.tur.br/[/URL].

Cafe Piu Piu -Rua. Treze de Maio, 134 Bela Vista [URL]http://cafepiupiu.com.br/[/URL].

Gracia Bar -Rua Corop, 87 [URL]https://graciabar.com.br/[/URL].

Bourbon Street Music Club -Rua. Dos Chans, 127 [URL]https://bourbonstreet.com.br/[/URL].

Mahau -Rua. Professor Atlio Innocenti 160, Itaim Bibi [URL]http://www.mahaurestaurantebar.com.br/[/URL].

Sutton Sao Paulo -Avenida Brigadeiro Faria Lima 4509,18 floor. Rooftop, Sao Paulo, 03178-200.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NYmO5I5iOX0[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/XFui-N-igXI[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/01P7ilEt7bY[/URL]

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2480505]I see Scandallo Lounge is about to reopen. Since I had nothing to do I was on social media and saw some potential mongering spots that to my recollection had not been mentioned in the SP forum. [B]If anyone has time to check them out please report your findings[/B] or if you already know if any of these establishments please report your experiences. I haven't been to SP in such a long time so I cannot vouch for these establishments except for Love Story (but again I do not know how it is now). Some may be a distance away. Anyhoo. Just something I saw while on social media. I added some regular clubs just for fun..[/QUOTE]My report from September 2019:

Like Lalabo, one of my goals with this trip is to do a little scouting. The mongering scene is Sao Paulo is large, and I admit I have sampled only a small part of it. So, I'm making sure to mix in some places I have not been to before along with others that I already know I like. That's why last night I decided to try The Connection Nightclub. I did not know it, but this place is owned by the same folks who own and run Scandallo. At least that's what one of the girl's told me. Connection is way on the other side of town. I would say that with traffic, it probably took about 30 minutes to get there. I took a taxi, and the cost was around 70 reals, which is still awfully cheap compared to what a similar ride would have cost in the States. I tried using Uber, but it didn't work. Think I will try one more time.

Now when you get there, you're going to find that this club is much more hardcore Brazilian. If you're not used to being out of your element and get rattled by the unfamiliar, then maybe Connection ought not be your first mongering stop in Sao Paulo. Nobody was speaking a word of English. They will even tell you that they don't understand Spanish, but what I have found is that if you do go ahead and start speaking in Spanish, many people will in fact understand a lot of what you are saying. So, if you have the Spanish like I do, then use that. It does help. Upon arrival, you will see a glass booth on your right with some ladies in it. You need to go their and show them some ID. They will then associate your name with an account, and give you a card that you will provide to the bartenders and waiters whenever you order food and drink. This is how they track what you consume. Then when you leave, you pay. There was no entrada or consumption fee I needed to pay before going in. You pay when you leave. Same system as at Chanes 57, only electronic versus on paper.

Upon entering the club, I found it to be long and narrow (but not too narrow), with a stage for a band immediately to my left, and a long bar across the way on the other side. This was also the main club area with seating for patrons and the girls. The next room back was the restaurant, which seemed to have more people in it than the main club area when I got there around 9:30 pm. I didn't realize it at first, but the club was bigger than I thought. One of the bubble butt tutes in there was kind enough to show me ha! Off of the restaurant was a good sized, enclosed smoking area. There was a tiny little area where some people were gambling. And then another decent sized back bar.

OK, so what about the ladies? Well, I was reasonably impressed! It was hard to say how many were there at peak time around midnight because of the layout of the place. But I'm going to guess around 50 with several of them very doable. Lots of 7's and 8's like at Cafe Photo, but I kind of liked the vibe at Connection better. I think it was because the Connection girls dress and act more provocatively. I'm talking short, tight dresses and skirts hugging their asses and barely covering their cheeks! To entice the men, sometimes they would sit in their laps and grind. I saw one girl reaching for and stroking the dick. Lifting their dresses and skirts up to give a monger a peak. I know some guys don't like this and say it's not "classy", but I prefer a little "grime" every now and then. The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes it "trashy" at times LOL! The thing is, the club itself looked nice. Not dirty or anything at all.

Often times in the Sao Paulo boites the girls will not approach, and expect you to let them know you like them if you want them to come over. But as the clock struck midnight, they starting getting more aggressive lest they run the risk of not making any money for the night. One girl who I would rate a 6.5 to 7 actually approached me earlier. I had just ordered an appetizer, and I asked her to share it with me. An appetizer in Brazil sometimes can be the size of a full meal it seems to me! She was nice and all, but spoke no English. She didn't even seem to know how to use Google Translate on a smart phone. Anyway, we talked for awhile and ate. But I knew I would not go with her, and told her I did not want to waste her time. No hard feelings. Peck on the cheek, and she left.

The thing is, having overspent the night before, I decided that I was going to tamp it down at Connection and not go with anybody unless she just "moved" me. "Touched" me in just the right way. Got approached by a redhead (not natural) with a tattoo on my arm. She asked me what I was looking for that night. I replied, "Oh, I don't know. Anal sex"? Big laugh out of that LOL! Well, she had looked interesting from afar, but her face and in the end her body just did not cut it. Then had another girl tried the "you don't like me approach". I said it had nothing to do with her, but that sometimes a man is just not ready. Now, there were two morenas in there with huge, plump, round bubble butts! They were friends! I was sure that if the shorter of the two approached me, then I was not going to be able to resist her. Especially if she parked her big hind parts on my dick and started to grind! Well, she did approach me. In fact, she was the one who showed me around. But I ended up being disappointed because her face didn't quite do it for me. Not that she was ugly, but was just a little older than I thought at first, maybe into her 30's. Would not have hesitated to bone the 20's version of herself hehe.

In the end, I chose nobody. However, there were enough doable girls at this club that if were a regular in Sao Paulo, I would put it into the rotation. Oh, and I almost forgot to say something about prices. Like the guy explained outside before I came in, the girls do their own thing, and from what I gather, they charge lower than places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo. I didn't get too specific with many of the girls, but one of them started out at 500 reals for an hour. That's half of what the tutes start out at in the other places mentioned. I'm sure you can work a little wiggle room into that too. Now, the one who told me 500 said that would include anal. But to be honest, I was a little skeptical. I mean, she said that anal was "hard", which led me to believe that we could get up there to the room and she might try, but then not come through with the full deal saying it was "too hard" for her. Speaking of the rooms, the girl who showed me around said that the hotel was located above the club with on-premises rooms for use. No idea how good the rooms are as I did not session.

I spent three hours hanging out at The Connection Nightclub. While there, I had three drinks and an appetizer that I shared with a girl. When I left, my final bill was 260 reals. That was about $65 for the night, plus round trip taxi fare at about 70 reals each way. Like I said, if I had the opportunity, I would give The Connection Nightclub another try on another night. Lots of 7's and 8's at more potentially favorable prices than at places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo.

Gentlemen,

After my 4 day visit back in Jan last year where I must have gone through 2 sometimes 4 girls a day, I am finally returning to SP on Monday for 2 days however I have just found out its a different hotel to where I stayed last time. I think it's the Renaissance Jardins but haven't been able to confirm yet.

The outcall highlights of my last visit were meeting Barbara Balbeck and Ágata Muñoz (maybe I got the surname wrong-she has a Huge Clit and is mega passionate in bed), from splove. I wondered if anyone has any recommendations of girls active just now for outcall? I'm more a fan of the slim / skinny / small ass build which I know is not the thing in Brazil generally.

Cheers gents, I will report of course, as last time.

I was last in Sao Paulo in early 2019 and I am starting to think about returning in February 2021. In the past I would spend most of my time at the Cllinicas (Tangara, Miruna, etc.) during the day. Just wondering if any of them are currently open or planning to reopen soon? Would be really interested to hear from any locals on the current situation.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2480519]My report from September 2019:I prefer a little "grime" every now and then. The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes a little trash! The Cane likes it "trashy" at times LOL! [/QUOTE]Great report, I did not see the original report. Thank you for reposting your experience. I especially like your above quote. I share the same sentiments. Again great report.

Hopefully others can report on some of the other establishments on the list in the future. SP is so large there is bound to be undiscovered gems.

[QUOTE=DDS71;2480626]I was last in Sao Paulo in early 2019 and I am starting to think about returning in February 2021. In the past I would spend most of my time at the Cllinicas (Tangara, Miruna, etc.) during the day. Just wondering if any of them are currently open or planning to reopen soon? Would be really interested to hear from any locals on the current situation.[/QUOTE][URL]https://clinicatangara.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]http://clinicamiruna.com.br/[/URL]

Contact via WhatsApp or email. Hopefully they will answer.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2480539]Renaissance Jardins but haven't been able to confirm yet.[/QUOTE]I have not stayed at the Renaissance Jardins but I know the area, good spot. You could walk to [URL]http://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL] from hotel (may not be open yet). I find the area very convenient. Shopping / Restaurants / Grocery Stores / etc.

Thanks for the tips!

I was walking distance from tangara last time I was there and thoroughly enjoyed it, think I went 4 times!

I'll only have Monday and Tuesday to play so hopefully can report something.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2480723][URL]https://clinicatangara.com.br/[/URL]

[URL]http://clinicamiruna.com.br/[/URL]

Contact via WhatsApp or email. Hopefully they will answer.[/QUOTE]Clinicas are all open and have been for months.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2480539]I'm more a fan of the slim / skinny / small ass build which I know is not the thing in Brazil generally.[/QUOTE]And.

As you know, Sao Paulo has a large, diverse population. We can all find almost any look we desire there. Of course, Brazil is a magical place for ass lovers.

I'm curious. Does a skinny, Euro princess like Sara Muller appeal to you? Or are you interested in finding skinny Morenas and / or skinny Black girls?

[URL]https://twitter.com/Sara__Muller[/URL]

[URL]https://www.saramullergp.com.br/ensaios-sensuais[/URL]

[QUOTE=Muppets;2480823]Thanks for the tips!

I was walking distance from tangara last time I was there and thoroughly enjoyed it, think I went 4 times!

I'll only have Monday and Tuesday to play so hopefully can report something.[/QUOTE]The Renaissance is a nice hotel, stayed there a number of times. It used to be fairly expensive, I remember paying $400 a night when staying there on business but with the weaker real it looks to be less these days. As others have said the area around the hotel is nice, close to Ave Paulista and there are some good restaurants if you walk down the hill on Haddock Lobo. It's about a 20 minute uber to Tangara with traffic and closer to 30 minutes if you want to go to the Moema area. I am considering staying at the Renaissance again when I return early next year but I am also thinking about other areas (Vila Mariana or Morumbi / Brooklin area).

[QUOTE=DDS71;2481063]The Renaissance is a nice hotel, stayed there a number of times. It used to be fairly expensive, I remember paying $400 a night when staying there on business but with the weaker real it looks to be less these days. As others have said the area around the hotel is nice, close to Ave Paulista and there are some good restaurants if you walk down the hill on Haddock Lobo. It's about a 20 minute uber to Tangara with traffic and closer to 30 minutes if you want to go to the Moema area. I am considering staying at the Renaissance again when I return early next year but I am also thinking about other areas (Vila Mariana or Morumbi / Brooklin area).[/QUOTE]Don't even need to leave the hotel, there pros at the lobby's bar looking to catch gringos there and Hotel Unique. Probably some other hotels too.

I guess security don't bother them since they are buying drinks for themselves.

Hello friends,

Would Rio or SP be best for a newbie who does not speak Portuguese and enjoys darker women? I am not really the club type, so I would mostly be dealing with escorts. I looked on Photoacompanhantes and it looks like Rio has more darker women, but I have heard from some other fellow mongers that Sao Paulo is the safer and nicer city for a newbie. Can I get your opinions on this? My PMs are open too!

Mmm I remember considering Sara muller last time, I'll perhaps have a go this trip! Looking on the map I think I stayed once in the past at the Renaissance, if not then it was somewhere in the same few blocks.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2480442]I felt under the weather for a couple days. I'm 80% sure I got the drug and that my mind is not playing tricks on me.

Confirmation will be in 3 weeks when I get the booster shot. The side effects are typically much more significant after the second injection, including fever. Then I'll know for sure.[/QUOTE]I like the way you think, get the vaccine to be able to hit up Brasil! I may follow your lead. PM me.

[QUOTE=TaiwanBalance;2481270]Hello friends,

Would Rio or SP be best for a newbie who does not speak Portuguese and enjoys darker women? I am not really the club type, so I would mostly be dealing with escorts. I looked on Photoacompanhantes and it looks like Rio has more darker women, but I have heard from some other fellow mongers that Sao Paulo is the safer and nicer city for a newbie. Can I get your opinions on this? My PMs are open too![/QUOTE]Rio has a higher % of darker women, but SP has plenty. There are 20+ million people in Sao Paulo, with every type of woman available.

Both cities can be plenty dangerous. But if you take the standard precautions, you'll likely be fine.

Go to BOTH. They are like a 40 minute, $50 flight away from each other. If you're in Brasil for at least a week, there is no reason to not visit both. Then you can decide which one you like the best. If you haven't already bought your plane ticket, I suggest buying an open jaw ticket flying into Sao Paulo and back home from Rio (or vice versa).

[QUOTE=TaiwanBalance;2481270]Hello friends,

Would Rio or SP be best for a newbie who does not speak Portuguese and enjoys darker women? I am not really the club type, so I would mostly be dealing with escorts. I looked on Photoacompanhantes and it looks like Rio has more darker women, but I have heard from some other fellow mongers that Sao Paulo is the safer and nicer city for a newbie. Can I get your opinions on this? My PMs are open too![/QUOTE]Citizen, I recommend São Paulo. If I were in the capital I could point you to places where locals go. With approximately $ 10 you fuck a lot of hot girls.

I'm Brazilian, believe me. São Paulo is perfect for beginners.

[QUOTE=TaiwanBalance;2481270]Hello friends,

Would Rio or SP be best for a newbie who does not speak Portuguese and enjoys darker women? I am not really the club type, so I would mostly be dealing with escorts. I looked on Photoacompanhantes and it looks like Rio has more darker women, but I have heard from some other fellow mongers that Sao Paulo is the safer and nicer city for a newbie. Can I get your opinions on this? My PMs are open too![/QUOTE]

See previous posts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2193-General-Info&p=2425618&viewfull=1#post2425618[/URL]
and
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2193-General-Info&p=2425536&viewfull=1#post2425536[/URL]

Read SP and RIO forums this is a often talked about subject with various opinions. Read the Forums......lots of helpful info.

I do feel a little more English spoken in Rio and overall more accommodating to Tourist.

As previously mentioned, plane ticket between the two cities is cheap, so cheap you should do both cities and its only a hour flight.

Examples:

Nonstop GIG to GRU ($25 USD up to $53 USD) on GOL Airlines.

Nonstop SDU to CGH ($25 USD up to $53 USD) on GOL Airlines.

Thank you my friends for the information. I will probably check out SP first, that is after I take a crash course in Portuguese. Anyone else more of an escort guy instead of a club or bar monger? I don't really have the patience for small talk or the charisma for it, so Photoacompanhantes looks ideal. Looks cheaper than some of the places I've read about in this thread too, but I understand there's a very real risk of catfishing.

In mid 2019 I made a short trip to Sao Paulo. Day two I'm at an outside restaurant, the next table over invited me to there table. I spent some time with them and they treated me like a friend. They had as many polital questions for me as I had for them. The group was 3 girls and 3 guys. Some were during the evening some one said "buy the way are you looking for a working girl". No one blinked an eye, I said sure. That person started giving me directions to a place that he knew but he couldn't remember the name. With that several in the group including girls, started giving me advice on were to go (the girls would say, My friend goes to this place or I heard of this place) I thought Holy shit this is a gold mine of info. The place that they mostly agreed on was a place that had a small tree filed courtyard. The name of this place came up several times, The only thing I can remember about it was the card they gave you marked with your visit. After 5 visits the next visit was free. I'm not looking for a free visit but if someone knows the name of this place Please let me know.

In Sao Paulo what's the name of the place that keeps prack of your visits and offers a free visit after 5 visits. Thanks.

So, I ended up meeting [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/olivia-diaz[/URL].

She is, for me, absolutely a 15/10. Slim, yet curvy and feminine where it counts, just enough fat on the butt. Sexy as fuck tattoos, gorgeous face with cheeky nose and bubbly personality. Had an amazing time. I would have arranged to see her again tomorrow but she's flying home at around 0700. Super sweet, even offered to show me the ticket to confirm it, although that's not exactly necessary in my book, If she's going home, great, if she just doesn't want to repeat then fine, up to her, I'll know when I next message her.

Her English both on whatsapp and in person is excellent. Spanish/Peruvian descent if I am correct. Very petite. Also Bisexual.

We settled on 100 US with some extras as I couldn't get any change, and since I'm a dirty bastard and wanted to film the whole session she very politely asked for a reasonable amount more which I was happy to pay for future fappenings.

Goddess. Treat her kindly. No clock watching and when I asked her if we were short on time she just shrugged, looked at her phone and then looked me in the eye, slipped it back in and started to ride again.
She has an awesome metal playlist on her phone too.

She's gone straight to the top of my wank bank.


I wanted to try Sarah Muller but it appears no new clients until November

[QUOTE=Muppets;2481626]So, I ended up meeting [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/olivia-diaz[/URL].[/QUOTE]A Sao Paulo site than can go toe-to-toe with the Rio Sex Site! Life is good!

[URL]https://www.riosexsite.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Muppets;2481626]So, I ended up meeting [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/olivia-diaz[/URL].

She is, for me, absolutely a 15/10. Slim, yet curvy and feminine where it counts, just enough fat on the butt. Sexy as fuck tattoos, gorgeous face with cheeky nose and bubbly personality. Had an amazing time. I would have arranged to see her again tomorrow but she's flying home at around 0700. Super sweet, even offered to show me the ticket to confirm it, although that's not exactly necessary in my book, If she's going home, great, if she just doesn't want to repeat then fine, up to her, I'll know when I next message her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great review. She will definitely be on my "to do list" the next time I'm in Brasil! She is absolutely gorgeous! Is she 100% Peruvian or does she have some Brazilian blood in her too? I met a half Colombian half Brazilian lady last year and she was truly drop dead gorgeous. She had the complete package, face, body, personality, intelligent and spoke good English. Racially mixed women to me are some of the most gorgeous in the world. So imagine with Colombian and Brazilian genes mixed together, what you have is a super goddess! Anyone know where we can find more? I imagine there are tons in the boarder towns of Brasil and Colombian / Argentina / Venezuela / Peru / Bolivia / Paraguay / Uruguay. Did I miss any?

At Muppets, her bio stats she's 25 yrs old, do you have any idea on her real age? Her whatsapp number is from the Florianopolis area, so my guess that's where she lives. You can wait til she visits SP again or just go to her. Its only an hour flight away.

[QUOTE=TaiwanBalance;2481531]Thank you my friends for the information. I will probably check out SP first, that is after I take a crash course in Portuguese. Anyone else more of an escort guy instead of a club or bar monger? I don't really have the patience for small talk or the charisma for it, so Photoacompanhantes looks ideal. Looks cheaper than some of the places I've read about in this thread too, but I understand there's a very real risk of catfishing.[/QUOTE]If you check my message history you will see I wrote 2 or more long threads with tips about how to minimize risk of bait and switch and identify good candidates in Photoacompanhantes. The truth is that its very difficult for a visitor to identify the legit diamonds there. I do very well with Photoacompanhantes but I peruse it every day, I know the bait and switch tells and I know the neighborhoods and the photo styles and the subtle queues. Sadly there has been an influx of bait and switch TGTBT ads, amazing looking ladies for 100 reias. 90% of those are bait and switch. The only way for a visitor to find a reliable escorts, be they on Photoacompanhantes, or Twitter, or Clubmodel or one of the many other sites is to make sure she has good recent reviews In gpguia. And even then language may be a barrier.

My advice for a visitor continues to be to go to clinicas and if you have a great time with a girl there you can ask her to see you privately for $$$ naturally. First time visitor almost always get burned if they try to jump into the escort pool.

Yeah, Floriablablabla is what she said.

Age. Hmm I'd say that 25 isn't far off. She is absolutely gorgeous, to be honest she is prettier in person. The photos make her look a little 'fuller'. She has a slim, expressive face and stunning brown doe eyes. She is a lot of fun, laughs a lot and generally does the GFE extremely well. Plus being a tiny spinner goes a long way in my book.

She is very good at making you feel like you are the sexiest man alive even if you are 20 years older and carrying a little extra weight LOL.

She speaks english and spanish fluently (and probably more but those are the only two I am fluent in).

I've arranged to meet her when I return to SP next month.

Today the plan is to meet Akemi [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/akemi-hamazaki[/URL] or Liz Taylor [URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/liz-taylor/[/URL] or Rubia [URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/rubia-eliott/[/URL].

Although given that the only one who actually responds to messages in a decent time has been Akemi, I am sure it will be her.

Both Liz (who I think looks really hot) and Rubia took over 12 hours to reply, maybe they are busy but doesn't give much confidence.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2481553]In mid 2019 I made a short trip to Sao Paulo. Day two I'm at an outside restaurant, the next table over invited me to there table. I spent some time with them and they treated me like a friend. They had as many polital questions for me as I had for them. The group was 3 girls and 3 guys. Some were during the evening some one said "buy the way are you looking for a working girl". No one blinked an eye, I said sure. That person started giving me directions to a place that he knew but he couldn't remember the name. With that several in the group including girls, started giving me advice on were to go (the girls would say, My friend goes to this place or I heard of this place) I thought Holy shit this is a gold mine of info. The place that they mostly agreed on was a place that had a small tree filed courtyard. The name of this place came up several times, The only thing I can remember about it was the card they gave you marked with your visit. After 5 visits the next visit was free. I'm not looking for a free visit but if someone knows the name of this place Please let me know.[/QUOTE]Clinica Tangara has a courtyard with some small trees. I don't remember there being a loyalty card though but then everytime I went there I was a slightly drunk and be more concerned with painting girls white than loyalty cards.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2481836]Today the plan is to meet Akemi [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/akemi-hamazaki[/URL] or Liz Taylor [URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/liz-taylor/[/URL] or Rubia [URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/rubia-eliott/[/URL].

Although given that the only one who actually responds to messages in a decent time has been Akemi, I am sure it will be her.

Both Liz (who I think looks really hot) and Rubia took over 12 hours to reply, maybe they are busy but doesn't give much confidence.[/QUOTE]Looks like you've done some research on your type. Have you considered these very highly-rated escorts?

Debora Drumond. She's been a petite all-star on the scene the last few years. Her Twitter thread is very candid WYSIWYG.

[URL]https://twitter.com/deboradrumondspd[/URL]

Rebeca Goya. Definitely a pretty, skinny Euro type girl. She's been around a long time so her age might not suit everyone, but very sexual.

[URL]https://twitter.com/RebecaGoya[/URL]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2481858]Looks like you've done some research on your type. Have you considered these very highly-rated escorts?

Debora Drumond. She's been a petite all-star on the scene the last few years. Her Twitter thread is very candid WYSIWYG.

[URL]https://twitter.com/deboradrumondspd[/URL]

Rebeca Goya. Definitely a pretty, skinny Euro type girl. She's been around a long time so her age might not suit everyone, but very sexual.

[URL]https://twitter.com/RebecaGoya[/URL][/QUOTE]Wyatt, you are the man.

Deborah's twitter isn't working, it says the account doesn't exist.

Am going to contact Rebeca about maybe meeting later.

So I met Akemi earlier. Polar opposite to my experience yesterday with Olivia. She's pretty and the photos are fairly accurate, but whereas Olivia has a sculptured body which is obviously a result of time in the gym, eating well, and a surgeon's knife, Akemi's is a result of not eating enough. Large, obvious stretch marks on the ass (not as a result of having a baby, no signs on the stomach), very skinny legs with no definition, I wanted to take her for a steak instead of feed her my own meat. She's nice enough but to be honest it was like having a latex doll. Let me do whatever I wanted but 100% passive. No passion, no interaction. May as well have just got the fleshlight out.

Would not recommend unless you basically want to fuck a mannequin.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2481734]If you check my message history you will see I wrote 2 or more long threads with tips about how to minimize risk of bait and switch and identify good candidates in Photoacompanhantes. The truth is that its very difficult for a visitor to identify the legit diamonds there. I do very well with Photoacompanhantes but I peruse it every day, I know the bait and switch tells and I know the neighborhoods and the photo styles and the subtle queues. Sadly there has been an influx of bait and switch TGTBT ads, amazing looking ladies for 100 reias. 90% of those are bait and switch. The only way for a visitor to find a reliable escorts, be they on Photoacompanhantes, or Twitter, or Clubmodel or one of the many other sites is to make sure she has good recent reviews In gpguia. And even then language may be a barrier.

My advice for a visitor continues to be to go to clinicas and if you have a great time with a girl there you can ask her to see you privately for $$$ naturally. First time visitor almost always get burned if they try to jump into the escort pool.[/QUOTE]Read Rovnak's escort posts and heed his advice. Traveling to any country and thinking internet websites are simply point and click like Amazon shopping is very naive. Beyond Bait & Switch, Muppets experience with Akemi Hamazaki is a case and point. Akemi has no review footprint on the local boards from what I can tell. While she is the real deal in the flesh, in spirit she is likely not cut out for escorting. There are hundreds of beautiful girls who cycle through the main Brazilian website. Many of them simply disappear quickly.

I remember seeing this pretty, blonde girl with a natural body post ads. She even had Twitter videos that somewhat validated it was her. I was heading down and she had a couple of good reviews, but only from newbie reviewers. Then the poor reviews started popping up from active reviewers. I took a pass on her during my trip. She disappeared from the scene shortly thereafter.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2481903]Wyatt, you are the man.

Deborah's twitter isn't working, it says the account doesn't exist.

Am going to contact Rebeca about maybe meeting later.[/QUOTE]My bad. I cut and pasted it wrong. Debora is definitely a nice, hard body who is a great performer.

[URL]https://twitter.com/deboradrumondsp[/URL]

I don't know if Beatriz is slim enough for your taste. She has a nice Girl Next Door smile.

[URL]https://twitter.com/bdellarosaluxo[/URL]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2481950]Read Rovnak's escort posts and heed his advice. Traveling to any country and thinking internet websites are simply point and click like Amazon shopping is very naive. Beyond Bait & Switch, Muppets experience with Akemi Hamazaki is a case and point. Akemi has no review footprint on the local boards from what I can tell. While she is the real deal in the flesh, in spirit she is likely not cut out for escorting. There are hundreds of beautiful girls who cycle through the main Brazilian website. Many of them simply disappear quickly.

I remember seeing this pretty, blonde girl with a natural body post ads. She even had Twitter videos that somewhat validated it was her. I was heading down and she had a couple of good reviews, but only from newbie reviewers. Then the poor reviews started popping up from active reviewers. I took a pass on her during my trip. She disappeared from the scene shortly thereafter.[/QUOTE]Rovnaks tips are spot on. Number of reviewers is key. Look for a photo acompanhantes girl with 5+ reviews. You can put that in your search. And then go read them. Only count the experienced reviewers if she has 5 reviews from newbies thats like having zero reviews. And chrome should auto translate.

Even though there is google translate, let me put in another plug for learning Portuguese. I've only been to Brazil a handful times but I make the most of it with a least one girl a day (record being 5 girls and 5 venues in less than 24 hours!). But I decided I'the learn to speak it at a basic level. Last time I went my last girl was all in Portuguese. And we also did a Boate in the middle of nowhere. No English spoken by Uber dude, club people or girls. Totally could not have done this. Not a word of English. It was sooo awesome. And now I chat up hotties on Seeking Arrangement in Portuguese. It's so fun and you stand out from the crowd.

Highly recommend. Totally worth the investment for me.

Muppets, I have no experience with Sara Bunny nor do I have any personal recommendations from friends, but she is getting solid buzz. She looks like she might be your type....a petite bunny.

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/sara-bunny[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/SaraPrincesinh4.[/URL]

Back in March, some people mentioned 300 reais for an 1:15 hours and 500 for two hours. I like the extra time.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2481903]Wyatt, you are the man.

Deborah's twitter isn't working, it says the account doesn't exist.

Am going to contact Rebeca about maybe meeting later.

So I met Akemi earlier. Polar opposite to my experience yesterday with Olivia. She's pretty and the photos are fairly accurate, but whereas Olivia has a sculptured body which is obviously a result of time in the gym, eating well, and a surgeon's knife, Akemi's is a result of not eating enough. Large, obvious stretch marks on the ass (not as a result of having a baby, no signs on the stomach), very skinny legs with no definition, I wanted to take her for a steak instead of feed her my own meat. She's nice enough but to be honest it was like having a latex doll. Let me do whatever I wanted but 100% passive. No passion, no interaction. May as well have just got the fleshlight out.

Would not recommend unless you basically want to fuck a mannequin.[/QUOTE]This is the escort dilemma. High risk. Clubmodel escorts pay a lot of money to announce on that site so I find them to be particularly mercenary as they have a large expenses to cover each week. I seldom meet any of them unless I receive a very good vibe during my extensive whatsapp chat. If they come on fast and heavy "when do you want to meet baby " its a bad sign. Even if they are sweet in the chat they may be different live. Honestly I only see escorts that agree to smoke some weed as I have found that to be best discriminator to eliminate the mercenaries.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2481979]This is the escort dilemma. High risk. Clubmodel escorts pay a lot of money to announce on that site so I find them to be particularly mercenary as they have a large expenses to cover each week. I seldom meet any of them unless I receive a very good vibe during my extensive whatsapp chat. If they come on fast and heavy "when do you want to meet baby " its a bad sign. Even if they are sweet in the chat they may be different live. Honestly I only see escorts that agree to smoke some weed as I have found that to be best discriminator to eliminate the mercenaries.[/QUOTE]I had good luck with my limited use of Rio Sex Site. That's how I hooked up with Elisa Sanches, who was a good fuck. Also one other who was really sweet. She bought me a small gift! Imagine a working girl meeting you for the first time doing that. We had chatted on WhatsApp for some time. I'm still not a big escort fan, preferring the clubs over escorts. But, I will dip my toe in the water once in a while when I discover a reliable site featuring the prettiest kind of tutes. I would have definitely tried Club Model had it been around and I knew about it. Sites like Club Model and Rio Sex Site are better in part because the girls do have to pay to announce their services. They have "skin in the game" so to speak, and need to earn on their investment. It helps keep out scammers and riff raff if one must pay to advertise.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2481979]This is the escort dilemma. High risk. Clubmodel escorts pay a lot of money to announce on that site so I find them to be particularly mercenary as they have a large expenses to cover each week. I seldom meet any of them unless I receive a very good vibe during my extensive whatsapp chat. If they come on fast and heavy "when do you want to meet baby " its a bad sign. Even if they are sweet in the chat they may be different live. Honestly I only see escorts that agree to smoke some weed as I have found that to be best discriminator to eliminate the mercenaries.[/QUOTE]Other than this point you just made, why don't I see more post on the twitter GPS with high visibility and some have lots of reviews on GP guia. For example at Isaloria. I know the internet can be hella tricky but most seem pretty cool, even a couple with lot of followers have responded to DM's, like tweets, respond to comments and all. Is it prices or have you or any other members had poor experience with bait in switch with Twitter GPS. I had a lot of success in Colombia with FB I plan on using twitter for my room service. Many of the high visibility Twitter gps Ive seen on clubmodel and splove as well so I been doing as much studying and flirting as I can on Twitter . Appreciate the feed back

When I'm back next month I'll check our Sarah Bunny and have a look at the other recommendations.

Never had a reply from Rebeca but also perhaps next month, though I will see Olivia again first.

Thanks again guys, really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2482202]Never had a reply from Rebeca but also perhaps next month, though I will see Olivia again first.[/QUOTE]It seems to be a strange time. Some Twitter scorts have been radio silent since March. Others are promoting their onlyfans site, etc. There's no way to be sure who is working unless you ask.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2482167]I had good luck with my limited use of Rio Sex Site. That's how I hooked up with Elisa Sanches, who was a good fuck. Also one other who was really sweet. She bought me a small gift! Imagine a working girl meeting you for the first time doing that. We had chatted on WhatsApp for some time. I'm still not a big escort fan, preferring the clubs over escorts. But, I will dip my toe in the water once in a while when I discover a reliable site featuring the prettiest kind of tutes. I would have definitely tried Club Model had it been around and I knew about it. Sites like Club Model and Rio Sex Site are better in part because the girls do have to pay to announce their services. They have "skin in the game" so to speak, and need to earn on their investment. It helps keep out scammers and riff raff if one must pay to advertise.[/QUOTE]I found club model girls to be all about volume that is why they advertise on there. I do not use sites anymore because the photos are highly airbrushed.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2482288]I found club model girls to be all about volume that is why they advertise on there. I do not use sites anymore because the photos are highly airbrushed.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was saying that they "can be" more mercenary. There are several factors at work. As I mentioned they pay like 800 reais per week (I think) to advertise on that site and they need to recoup that before they profit. Plus they may be paying to rent a flat in Jardins or Moema, again more fixed costs. So they are under stress to make buck. And they probably spend more on clothes and plastic surgery in order to maintain their "elite" appearance. Also they are typically "veterans", possibly travelled, which naturally tends to add a "professional" hardness to anyone. I am not faulting them, its a natural trajectory. Also, I want to be clear, this does not apply to EVERYONE, there are exceptions, there are veterans that are amazingly genuine and sexually amazing. There are also some relative newbies on Clubmodel, not all are veterans. They are individuals, and I have had some great experiences, but I think I only did 2 from clubmodel in a year and they were great, but they were visually my number, and I had very long chats with them before pulling the trigger.

There are 2 aspects to this, relative to other Brazilians and relative to non-brazilian escorts. Relative to non-brazilian escorts even the worst, most mercenary brazilian will appear to an infrequent or first time foreign monger to be a dream come true, an amazing beauty, perhaps the best sex of your life. I often say my worst braziian experiences are better than most men's best experiences in the USA. But relative to other brazilians, its a different story, and the "criticism" above is really just in terms of relative to other brazilian P4 P situations. The discussions on this board usually have two audiences, the first time visitors and the repeat visitors. I don't want to trash the first time visitors for going after the eye candy and the veteran escorts that speak english. Go for it, it will hopefully be great. On the other hand, the repeat visitors want to know the trade offs, know the pros and cons of each option, escorts, clinicas, boates, tinder, etc.

As for the airbrushing, yeah, they are very photoshopped, or as the locals like to say 'fodashopped", and they may be years old. Again, its a weird "status" thing, they girls think that a professional photo shoot and silicone signify higher "status", and will attract wealthier clients, and maybe they are right, I don't know, maybe that stuff works on visiting businessmen. But discerning clients are not fooled and local guys more and more demand simple cell phone photos.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2482198]Other than this point you just made, why don't I see more post on the twitter GPS with high visibility and some have lots of reviews on GP guia. For example at Isaloria. I know the internet can be hella tricky but most seem pretty cool, even a couple with lot of followers have responded to DM's, like tweets, respond to comments and all. Is it prices or have you or any other members had poor experience with bait in switch with Twitter GPS. I had a lot of success in Colombia with FB I plan on using twitter for my room service. Many of the high visibility Twitter gps Ive seen on clubmodel and splove as well so I been doing as much studying and flirting as I can on Twitter . Appreciate the feed back[/QUOTE]In general, gp-guia is strongest in the clinica reviews and weakest in the boate and escort reviews. This is all about incentive. The reviewers are incentivized to write reviews for clinicas in order to get discounts, and this does not mean the reviews have to be positive. There is no incentive to write a review of an escort. Also the local hard core mongers are the heavy contributors and these guys overwhelmingly consider the clinicas to be the best cost benefit option.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2482288]I found club model girls to be all about volume that is why they advertise on there. I do not use sites anymore because the photos are highly airbrushed.[/QUOTE]Well with respect to Rio Sex Site, I will say you're missing out then because what I saw was exactly what I got. So Rio Sex Site gets The Cane's stamp of approval! Can't say the same about the other one since I haven't used it.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2482347]Yes, I was saying that they "can be" more mercenary. There are several factors at work. As I mentioned they pay like 800 reais per week (I think) to advertise on that site and they need to recoup that before they profit. Plus they may be paying to rent a flat in Jardins or Moema, again more fixed costs. So they are under stress to make buck. And they probably spend more on clothes and plastic surgery in order to maintain their "elite" appearance. Also they are typically "veterans", possibly travelled, which naturally tends to add a "professional" hardness to anyone. I am not faulting them, its a natural trajectory. Also, I want to be clear, this does not apply to EVERYONE, there are exceptions, there are veterans that are amazingly genuine and sexually amazing. There are also some relative newbies on Clubmodel, not all are veterans. They are individuals, and I have had some great experiences, but I think I only did 2 from clubmodel in a year and they were great, but they were visually my number, and I had very long chats with them before pulling the trigger.

There are 2 aspects to this, relative to other Brazilians and relative to non-brazilian escorts. Relative to non-brazilian escorts even the worst, most mercenary brazilian will appear to an infrequent or first time foreign monger to be a dream come true, an amazing beauty, perhaps the best sex of your life. I often say my worst braziian experiences are better than most men's best experiences in the USA. But relative to other brazilians, its a different story, and the "criticism" above is really just in terms of relative to other brazilian P4 P situations. The discussions on this board usually have two audiences, the first time visitors and the repeat visitors. I don't want to trash the first time visitors for going after the eye candy and the veteran escorts that speak english. Go for it, it will hopefully be great. On the other hand, the repeat visitors want to know the trade offs, know the pros and cons of each option, escorts, clinicas, boates, tinder, etc.

As for the airbrushing, yeah, they are very photoshopped, or as the locals like to say 'fodashopped", and they may be years old. Again, its a weird "status" thing, they girls think that a professional photo shoot and silicone signify higher "status", and will attract wealthier clients, and maybe they are right, I don't know, maybe that stuff works on visiting businessmen. But discerning clients are not fooled and local guys more and more demand simple cell phone photos.[/QUOTE]We appreciate your insight my guy! You one of the most experienced and you got boots on the ground. I'll take a roll dice see how it's goes. If it's not what I thought it will be CLínicas and boates.

I have found that if you put in the work you will find most girls on escort sites have some sort of social media sites where they post pictures or short video clips. So, you can compare their "photoshopped" escort site images against their social media images which are closer to the real deal.

Some will even send you cell phone images (via WhatsApp) if you ask "to validate their look" (they will probably want pictures of you as well maybe to determine if they want to be with you as well).

I would never join their OnlyFans site to validate the look. You don't have time to waste be direct and ask them if their available I have found that they will be direct as well with a yes or no, not available due to travel, not in area, work certain days, retired etc. Only thing is that some do not want to spend too much time on WhatsApp chatting because so many inquire but never follow through with a TD. Remember they are only one, potential clients are many, they cannot be on the phone or emailing fielding inquires all the time. So, I do not initiate contact unless I am at least 90% sure I would follow-through with an encounter. The 10% is for them to validate what I already know visually and come to terms.

Now the Twitter / IG / FB only escorts generally post WhatsApp number on the page so generally they are legit it just may be a problem coming to terms especially when you're not currently in country. Once in country scheduling may take some time which overall may throw off your schedule on any given day especially if they are popular and in demand. Overall, I have had no problem with escorts via escort sites or social media sites.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2482408]I have found that if you put in the work you will find most girls on escort sites have some sort of social media sites where they post pictures or short video clips. So, you can compare their "photoshopped" escort site images against their social media images which are closer to the real deal.

Some will even send you cell phone images (via WhatsApp) if you ask "to validate their look" (they will probably want pictures of you as well maybe to determine if they want to be with you as well).

I would never join their OnlyFans site to validate the look. You don't have time to waste be direct and ask them if their available I have found that they will be direct as well with a yes or no, not available due to travel, not in area, work certain days, retired etc. Only thing is that some do not want to spend too much time on WhatsApp chatting because so many inquire but never follow through with a TD. Remember they are only one, potential clients are many, they cannot be on the phone or emailing fielding inquires all the time. So, I do not initiate contact unless I am at least 90% sure I would follow-through with an encounter. The 10% is for them to validate what I already know visually and come to terms.

Now the Twitter / IG / FB only escorts generally post WhatsApp number on the page so generally they are legit it just may be a problem coming to terms especially when you're not currently in country. Once in country scheduling may take some time which overall may throw off your schedule on any given day especially if they are popular and in demand. Overall, I have had no problem with escorts via escort sites or social media sites.[/QUOTE]I don't use websites because I rather just go to a boate or clinica and see what they look like in person. In the US, there isn't boates or clinicas to see the lineup so I pretty much have not seen any providers that are on websites. And at least in person I can interview them to see if it will be what I'm looking for.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2482347]Yes, I was saying that they "can be" more mercenary. There are several factors at work. As I mentioned they pay like 800 reais per week (I think) to advertise on that site and they need to recoup that before they profit. Plus they may be paying to rent a flat in Jardins or Moema, again more fixed costs. So they are under stress to make buck. And they probably spend more on clothes and plastic surgery in order to maintain their "elite" appearance. Also they are typically "veterans", possibly travelled, which naturally tends to add a "professional" hardness to anyone. I am not faulting them, its a natural trajectory. Also, I want to be clear, this does not apply to EVERYONE, there are exceptions, there are veterans that are amazingly genuine and sexually amazing. There are also some relative newbies on Clubmodel, not all are veterans. They are individuals, and I have had some great experiences, but I think I only did 2 from clubmodel in a year and they were great, but they were visually my number, and I had very long chats with them before pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert on "acompanhanomics" but this all makes sense. There is a lot of turnover in the clubmodel adverts. As you say, there is a high cost to a weekly ad.

Too many of the "newer" clubmodel escorts seem to have negative or neutral reviews. If it doesn't add up, there is always someone else with good buzz. Personally, I rather be with a 27 year old Brazilian escort that is a superstar then trying to take my chances on a relatively unknown 20 year old. Of course, this is much a matter of limited time in the city as well. I would rather go to the boates to hunt for a young hotty.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2478057]Yes, finally some positive feedback. Would you mind sharing what insurance company you used?

Maybe pull the trigger in October but hoping some clubs open like Bomboa and Scandallo so I can get the full experience.[/QUOTE]You can try [URL]imgglobal.com[/URL].

I bought it thru my agent with who we purchase our medical coverage from for the USA.

[QUOTE=RMundi000;2478056]How locked down was the city? Do you know if any of the bars / clubs / restaurants even open at all? I have a trip booked for Nov. That was suppose to be for the F1 race that got cancelled. Now I am not sure if it is worth the flight.[/QUOTE]It isn't too locked down and it was opening up while I was there. I am sure it has opened up even more. Restaurants are open with the new requirements. I didn't go to bars or clubs since I am not into that type of thing. If Scandello was open, I might have considered it.

I was pressed with the universal mask donning by the citizens. That makes it better to get out and about and try to get back to a sense of normalcy.

Friday evening I went to Shopping Ibirapuera to buy a Brazil sim card (Vivo shop 3rd floor above street level. They did install, cheap, reloadable and works well especially data) for the throw-away I use while traveling. Afterwards I was walking in Moema checking out some of the flagged club locations from the Sao Paulo monger map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.612216187763146%2C-46.663922096575874&z=16[/URL]) and went into the Bahamas Club. Entry was a selection of 3 levels that offered a variety of options. I chose the 251 R option which was entry and 150 consumable. This was about 7:30 pm. There were 5 ladies lounging and chatting, none was of interest. I was served a beer from the drink menu (35 R for Amstel) by one of the all male wait staff who noted the number on my wrist band.

Several of the girls cruised by and said Hello. I thanked them in porto from my Google translator, noting how nice they looked, but not now. I'm one of two customers, and the lionesses were on the prowl and hungry. After an hour, I met a new arrival who introed herself in Porto, and when I said Hello, she responded in perfect English. We talked on the outside deck for more than an hour. She used gMaps on my phone to identify 4 restaurants that she said are some of the best in Sao and Rio. Didn't session, bought 1 drink and tipped her 100 R for her time. Pretty sure she expected more. On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. I think getting drunk in one of these places would be a real bad idea.

[QUOTE=TreeTopFlyr;2483601]Friday evening I went to Shopping Ibirapuera to buy a Brazil sim card (Vivo shop 3rd floor above street level. They did install, cheap, reloadable and works well especially data) for the throw-away I use while traveling. Afterwards I was walking in Moema checking out some of the flagged club locations from the Sao Paulo monger map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.612216187763146%2C-46.663922096575874&z=16[/URL]) and went into the Bahamas Club. Entry was a selection of 3 levels that offered a variety of options. I chose the 251 R option which was entry and 150 consumable. This was about 7:30 pm. There were 5 ladies lounging and chatting, none was of interest. I was served a beer from the drink menu (35 R for Amstel) by one of the all male wait staff who noted the number on my wrist band.

Several of the girls cruised by and said Hello. I thanked them in porto from my Google translator, noting how nice they looked, but not now. I'm one of two customers, and the lionesses were on the prowl and hungry. After an hour, I met a new arrival who introed herself in Porto, and when I said Hello, she responded in perfect English. We talked on the outside deck for more than an hour. She used gMaps on my phone to identify 4 restaurants that she said are some of the best in Sao and Rio. Didn't session, bought 1 drink and tipped her 100 R for her time. Pretty sure she expected more. On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. I think getting drunk in one of these places would be a real bad idea.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is already open. You may want to check out this club. This is the best club in Sao Paulo. There has been no report on this club since its reopening on September 2020.

[QUOTE=TreeTopFlyr;2483601]........... On leaving, I was presented with a 305 R bill at reception. I asked to see the charges, and the cashier got huffy. Of course this is correct. She showed me and the items were correct, but mystery the amount didn't tally. Manager of the girls looked it over, and I was presented with a 62.30 R bill. .........[/QUOTE]That was the gringo charge.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483892]That was the gringo charge.[/QUOTE]LOL How could they have possibly known.

Been a while since last report.

Arrived in SP by car on Friday the 4th w a friend, rested well for a big day on Saturday.

Scandallo opened on wed that week and got that info from a girl whom also told me about the limited working hours. It was supposed to be from 12-10 pm but after a few days of this, they changed it to the regular hours which is 12 pm-5 am.

I could see why on Saturday because when we got there around 430 pm thinking they closed at 10 pm there were very very few patrons.

There were about 10 guys at that time and it never went over 20-25 guys in there but there was a good selection of about 50-70 girls. Would rate that night a 6. 5 out of 10 (10 being a Thursday night during formula one week a couple of years ago with over 500 girls).

Since the main room can't be used they renovated the restaurant area and it's double its previous size with a beautiful bar. The smaller outdoor area to the right is used as the main spot and later when there are more people they open the bigger open space in the back.

Left around 11 Pm satisfied.

Went back on Tuesday around 730 pm and they were charging 300 at the door with 150 to consume unlike Saturday where it was 150 all consumable. Already knew it was going to be better. Upon entry we were greeted by 100+ girls, maybe going to 130 during peak hours around 11 pm to maybe about 30-40 guys tops. Stayed till 4 am this night. Would rate 7. 5 this night and the girls were asking around 600-1000 all giving 200-300 in discounts. I'm guessing with this kind of ratio the uglier ones would go as low as 300 but I don't really talk to the uglier ones so can't confirm.

The last visit was on Saturday again that was much better than the first Saturday. Around 100 girls at 7 pm to 20-25 guys. Rating being a 7-7. 5.

Still the best place in SP imo if you have the pocket for it. Entrance was 300 with 150 in credit the second Saturday and the rooms are 230 per hour and they charge proportionally the time you go over. They don't warn you after 1 HR is up like they used to. Girl take out fee is 250 and if they didn't complete their required time at that point I think they pay a small fee also.

Beer is 40 reais, whisky or vodka is at about 70 and red bull I believe is 55. Decent food.

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484036]Still the best place in SP imo if you have the pocket for it. Entrance was 300 with 150 in credit the second Saturday and the rooms are 230 per hour and they charge proportionally the time you go over. They don't warn you after 1 HR is up like they used to. Girl take out fee is 250 and if they didn't complete their required time at that point I think they pay a small fee also.

Beer is 40 reais, whisky or vodka is at about 70 and red bull I believe is 55. Decent food.[/QUOTE]Good intel. Seems like the number of girls is gradually getting back to pre-covid level. Looks like the entrance fee has been increased to 300. But the girls are more willing to give heavy discounts. Couple that with the weak Real, this might be the best time to visit scandello and pull some girls at a bargain price (well as far as scandello goes). Me personally, I wouldn't session on site though. 230 for their room is such a rip off. That's the price of an hour session at the clinicas in Moema. And there is definitely no need to pay for the take out fee! What I would do, is to go on a busy weekday night and get as many numbers as possible from girls who are willing to see me outside for R300-R400, which is the rate of some twitter girls in Moema & Jardin charge. With the current economic situation, I think there would be many girls who will be willing. The biggest obstacle is being able to get a hold of them on whatsapp and having them respond in a timely manner. If someone is only in SP for a week or two, then sessioning on site might be the better and only option.

Great report PDawg. I have just one question for the Brazil forum; I apologize ahead of time if I post it in the wrong thread. Here it is: Is Brazil open? IE Can Americans (Floridians. Ha ha) presently fly in tp SP without quarantine?

I am a SE Asian punter, but SE Asia is closed. It's been more than 15 years since I was last in SP, but I would head down to SP in heart beat if I could enter unencumbered so to speak.

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484036]Been a while since last report.

Arrived in SP by car on Friday the 4th w a friend, rested well for a big day on Saturday.

Scandallo opened on wed that week and got that info from a girl whom also told me about the limited working hours. It was supposed to be from 12-10 pm but after a few days of this, they changed it to the regular hours which is 12 pm-5 am.

I could see why on Saturday because when we got there around 430 pm thinking they closed at 10 pm there were very very few patrons.

There were about 10 guys at that time and it never went over 20-25 guys in there but there was a good selection of about 50-70 girls. Would rate that night a 6. 5 out of 10 (10 being a Thursday night during formula one week a couple of years ago with over 500 girls).

Since the main room can't be used they renovated the restaurant area and it's double its previous size with a beautiful bar. The smaller outdoor area to the right is used as the main spot and later when there are more people they open the bigger open space in the back.

Left around 11 Pm satisfied.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this report; could you describe a little bit how was the setting related to COVID precautions? I. E. Wearing masks inside? Interaction with the girls?

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484036]Been a while since last report.

Went back on Tuesday around 730 pm and they were charging 300 at the door with 150 to consume unlike Saturday where it was 150 all consumable. .[/QUOTE]The difference in entrance price does not have to do with the day of the week. Every day its 150, all toward consumption before 7 pm, and 350 (I think 350 now) after 7 pm with 150 of that toward consumption. The only exceptions are special event days when they do not offer the before 7 pm discount.

Also, unless things have changed in that last week, the club is open until 5 am but they close the doors to new arrivals at 10 pm to comply with city regulations. That is probably a temporary restriction, subject to change at any time.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2484196]Great report PDawg. I have just one question for the Brazil forum; I apologize ahead of time if I post it in the wrong thread. Here it is: Is Brazil open? IE Can Americans (Floridians. Ha ha) presently fly in tp SP without quarantine?

I am a SE Asian punter, but SE Asia is closed. It's been more than 15 years since I was last in SP, but I would head down to SP in heart beat if I could enter unencumbered so to speak.[/QUOTE]Yes. No quarantine, only insurance required.

[URL]http://miami.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/entry_of_foreigners_in_brazil.xml[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2484264]Yes. No quarantine, only insurance required.

[URL]http://miami.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/entry_of_foreigners_in_brazil.xml[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks Jimmy. Brazil is my kinda of country. (LOL).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2484196]Great report PDawg. I have just one question for the Brazil forum; I apologize ahead of time if I post it in the wrong thread. Here it is: Is Brazil open? IE Can Americans (Floridians. Ha ha) presently fly in tp SP without quarantine?

I am a SE Asian punter, but SE Asia is closed. It's been more than 15 years since I was last in SP, but I would head down to SP in heart beat if I could enter unencumbered so to speak.[/QUOTE]I live here and I'm pretty sure that Brazil is not barring entry from any country. Some of the land borders are closed because of reciprocity I believe. Google to make sure.

[QUOTE=AndySana;2484211]Thank you for this report; could you describe a little bit how was the setting related to COVID precautions? I. E. Wearing masks inside? Interaction with the girls?[/QUOTE]Out of the 3 visits I only saw one guy wearing a mask the whole time and also one girl that was wearing a mask which was funny. No one else wears it once inside. You do need one to get thru the doors and they also check your temperature.

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484356]I live here and I'm pretty sure that Brazil is not barring entry from any country. Some of the land borders are closed because of reciprocity I believe. Google to make sure.[/QUOTE]You can find entry / quarantine requirements for countries all over the world here: [URL]https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php[/URL].

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2484356]I live here and I'm pretty sure that Brazil is not barring entry from any country. Some of the land borders are closed because of reciprocity I believe. Google to make sure.[/QUOTE]Getting through Brazil immigration and customs has always been the easiest for me of all countries to which I have traveled so I'm not surprised that they are so welcoming at this time.

Went last night, had about 200 girls inside mostly from the past not many new faces which was disappointing. Prices all the same as before and place was packed so no need to have promos like places in Rio mentioned on the forum. The music dance area is closed but the restaurant is now much bigger with a bar. No one wears masks except for the staff. The girls are asking for the same price as they did before which I understand they need money after not working for a while. I just try to negotiate for more time inside or outside.

Many girls had the virus already so they do not care about getting it again because they have to work. There were at least 300 guys there so it is definitely a super spreader place. Brasil is still averaging 36,000 new cases with 1000 deaths a day but life goes on here now. Half the people on the street either do wear masks or have it half way hanging down which makes it useless. Yesterday SP had 7,000 new cases. Getting tested seem to be difficult if you don't have symptoms to get it for free or have health insurance. And insurance is not paying for antibody testing so people just have to hope they do not get it again. Will be there the whole week if anyone wants to meet up.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2484546]Many girls had the virus already so they do not care about getting it again because they have to work.[/QUOTE]Good intel Hobbying. One question about what you said above. Is that your guess or you know that for a fact. I don't know how they would know they have had the virus unless they develop symptoms and go for a test. There is a SP escort girl I follow on twitter and she twitted last week that she went and got tested for covid because she had all the symptoms, coughing with phlegm, body ache and difficulty breathing. The test came back the next day and she tested positive. She's been inactive since.

I'll be in Sao Paolo the 19th-24 of December. Do you think hotels or airbnbs are a better deal? Also is Rio worth checking out? My flight back home is on the 29th.

[QUOTE=CarpeDiem305;2485156]I'll be in Sao Paolo the 19th-24 of December. Do you think hotels or airbnbs are a better deal? Also is Rio worth checking out? My flight back home is on the 29th.[/QUOTE]Yes, Rio is amazing if you have the time to check it out. I only have stayed in hotels throughout Brazil (never tried airbnb). I usually just went with whatever hotel cost about 50 bucks (they were typically subpar).

That was a few years ago. And since then the Real has weakened. However, I noticed the nicer hotels in SP are expensive AF.

Might be a horrible idea but trying pull the trigger on trip to Sao Paulo within next few days.

For someone who is in Sao Paulo now, is tangara or abbbora open?

Read reports earlier that they are open but wanted to confirm.

And, is vila olmpia good area to stay? Trying to find place to stay in moema but didn't find anything that I like.

Assume casaro, bomboa, cafe Photo are all closed so scandallo is only option for night time club action.

The plan is to visit clnicas during the day and just order girls from clubmodel / private55 sites or hit scandallo at nights.

Let me know if you have any feedbacks.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2484694]Good intel Hobbying. One question about what you said above. Is that your guess or you know that for a fact. I don't know how they would know they have had the virus unless they develop symptoms and go for a test. There is a SP escort girl I follow on twitter and she twitted last week that she went and got tested for covid because she had all the symptoms, coughing with phlegm, body ache and difficulty breathing. The test came back the next day and she tested positive. She's been inactive since.[/QUOTE]Every girl I talked to said they had symptoms, some got tested others did not. Some got it back in Jan / Feb before the club was closed so who knows where they got it from. Most told me they had mild symptoms so they are not scared to get it again. The chances of someone getting it again is higher when they had mild symptoms the first time because their antibody levels drops off faster.

Some guys said they never had symptoms but they didn't care since they were there to mingle.

Good time to meet up new to the business girls that have yet to hardened up, I avoid the ones that tell you they have worked in Europe or speak fluent English, those are serious pros. But I did meet some super nice girls.

Someone told to me a mother and daughter were there working there one night, thought that was super weird but may be some guys are into that as portrayed in porno.

So, Due back in SP on Oct 6 for a couple of days, have arranged to meet Olivia again. However today I find myself unexpectedly back in SP. So, as suggested, I arranged a meeting with [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/sara-bunny[/URL] Sara Bunny.

Down to earth and no BS whatsapp chat and a time was set.

Sounds fun, am looking forward to it. Check out her Twitter. Same girl but shorter hair and paler than on Cmodel. Cool.

Long story short. She shows up 80 minutes late, despite having spoken hours in advance and assured me she'd be on time. I fucking cannot abide lateness, I'm sorry but I can't. Ten minutes or so for traffic is fine but 'I'm shopping, be there soon' ten minutes before our meeting from the other side of town is just fucking rude. My time, and hers also I am sure, is worth more.

Anyway. I get on with some shit I need to do online and try not to be pissed off. Just as I am about 30 seconds from saying, don't bother, I'm going to go jerk off, my hand is fucking punctual, she shows up. Skintight black dress and fuck me heels, with a goodie bag with new lingerie that still has the tags on it.

Oh well, I'm still annoyed but at least she wasnt sitting on her ass eating a mcD's and browsing facebook (maybe she was but she hid it well).

So. From there it just got real good real fast. She's a proper pale skinned redhead. Slightly mad, lots of fun and very passionate. Crazy eyes. If you have ever played Hellblade, Senua's Sacrifice, then welcome to hell. You are about to fuck Senua in all her mad eyed crazy shit glory.

Wanted it in the ass and not the pussy, fine with me although in the end I wanted that sweet front door and she let me (turns out from a later conversation that she came off her period yesterday and was worried about blood on the sheets. I was like, fuck, this is SP, blood on the walls and they won't say shit) have a go in there after giving her coal bunker a thorough cleaning out in various positions. She has a proper tiny tight spinner ass. Mmm.

So to sum up, if she hadn't been so fucking late it'd be a sound 10/10 must do, but fuck, I've been around enough to have decided that there are precious few women that are worth putting up with such a late showing for.

I will repeat as it was a lot of fun but it'll be clear that I'm not going to sit about with my cock in my hands (not literally) for an hour or so while she goes shopping. Actually maybe literally, depends.

If you like them petite, sweet and passionate, and don't give a fuck when they turn up, she's your girl. Once she's in the door its a good ride, but it's like joining the line at Universal Studios. You don't know when you'll get in, but you know you will and it'll be fun when you do, but maybe, just maybe, it's more fun to stay home, eat chips and play the playstation all day while watching porn. At least you can cum on YOUR schedule then.

Win some, lose some.

I am aware of and don't mind, at times, the dice roll of trying girls from webpages that don't have reviews. Usually, the sms / whatsapp / line conversation is a good way of weeding out more or less the shit ones from the half decent, or good ones.

So today, as happens at times, I drew a blank on the second shot of the day. Shame because my balls were like two tins of condensed milk by the time she showed up (on fucking time at least).

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/summer-kiss/[/URL]

So, Looks exactly like the photos. About 1. 7 m tall. Lovely firm round tits, a bit bigger than the photos. See cup for sure. Very pretty in a European way. Curvy ass and long legs.

Agreed in advance what we are going to do and the price.

Cool, methinks. This is either going to be awesome or a complete bust.

Turns out it was about half of both.

Shows up, Immediately doesn't want to do x and why that we agreed very clearly before. I say, that's ok, I'll pay for your cab, sucks but hey, don't want you to feel pressured or do something you don't want to do (I know, I know, I was feeling nice. Normally I'd be like fuck this shit we made a deal, now get down and start sucking. In a totally respectful way of course).

She says. Thanks, lets just relax and have some fun and put on some music. My Brain says this deal kinda sucks but she is hot so to be fair, it's late, I'm tired and I want to fuck a hot chick like NOW. I say OK but I am pretty bummed out. She says some other shit. I'm not listening anymore. Have decided to roll with it and am now just in 'going to fuck' mode. Says some more stuff as she gets undressed. Looks hot naked. Awesome ass. Lies down on bed and asks me to massage her. I think, ok fuck it. I get naked and straddle her. Thoroughly enjoy 15 minutes with a raging boner massaging her back and ass. She does some very good hip gyrating ass wiggling which if she wasn't a pro would have ended in some sticky skin on skin action, then some flipping and a very good sloppy as a sloppy thing blowjob ensues.

To be fair the sex is good and she is enthusiastic, energetic and does a good show of bringing herself off.

I'm not ready to spray those nice firm natural tits just yet, so off comes the hat and some more sloppy BJ ensues and that's when it all unwinds. We've been in the room for 50 minutes of an agreed 90 and now its 'I have to go in 5 minutes to meet my friends bla bla'. Thats fine I say, I won't come in your hair, the blonde highlights are really sexy and it'll only take you 5 minutes to redo the mascara which is running down your cheeks from having a good go at deepthroating.

Will you cum soon, she says? Um yeah, I say, at the 89th minute basically unless you pull out some amazing trick or stick a finger up my ass and start fishing for gold.

But I have to go soon she says. My boner starts to die and my patience along with it.

Ok I say, never mind, go shower and just go, this is BS, we have 25 minutes left. Yeah but I have to get ready she says. I get up, pick up my phone and sit on the sofa to read my book (kindle app ftw).

She says 'Can I be honest, You know what, I feel scared right now'. I say, I'm sorry, I am disappointed but I don't think I have done anything to scare you whatsoever. In fact, given that you changed the deal then cut short the time, I'd be within my right to be angry because if I went to Mercedes and ordered a new S class in Matte Black, paid for it and received an A class in hooker Red, I would be pissed as fuck and they would know all about it.

She showered, Got dressed and had the decency to look ashamed and give me a peck on the cheek and an I'm sorry as she left. I read my book (fucking good book BTW. The Seeker series by SG McLean) and logged on here to write.

Shit happens. Was it worth the money? No, not given the prices in SP and what we had agreed vis a vis what we did. However, was it enjoyable while it lasted. ? Yes, she is hot and has a great body and I genuinely did enjoy a good 40 minutes action. However, given that I'm about to go watch some poor eastern european spinner get railed and pissed on by 4 dudes and rub one out, it wasn't what I would call Mission Accomplished.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2486197]So, Due back in SP on Oct 6 for a couple of days, have arranged to meet Olivia again. However today I find myself unexpectedly back in SP. So, as suggested, I arranged a meeting with [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/sara-bunny[/URL] Sara Bunny.

Down to earth and no BS whatsapp chat and a time was set.

Sounds fun, am looking forward to it. Check out her Twitter. Same girl but shorter hair and paler than on Cmodel. Cool.

Long story short. She shows up 80 minutes late, despite having spoken hours in advance and assured me she'd be on time. I fucking cannot abide lateness, I'm sorry but I can't. Ten minutes or so for traffic is fine but 'I'm shopping, be there soon' ten minutes before our meeting from the other side of town is just fucking rude. My time, and hers also I am sure, is worth more.

Anyway. I get on with some shit I need to do online and try not to be pissed off. Just as I am about 30 seconds from saying, don't bother, I'm going to go jerk off, my hand is fucking punctual, she shows up. Skintight black dress and fuck me heels, with a goodie bag with new lingerie that still has the tags on it.

Oh well, I'm still annoyed but at least she wasnt sitting on her ass eating a mcD's and browsing facebook (maybe she was but she hid it well).

So. From there it just got real good real fast. She's a proper pale skinned redhead. Slightly mad, lots of fun and very passionate. Crazy eyes. If you have ever played Hellblade, Senua's Sacrifice, then welcome to hell. You are about to fuck Senua in all her mad eyed crazy shit glory.

Wanted it in the ass and not the pussy, fine with me although in the end I wanted that sweet front door and she let me (turns out from a later conversation that she came off her period yesterday and was worried about blood on the sheets. I was like, fuck, this is SP, blood on the walls and they won't say shit) have a go in there after giving her coal bunker a thorough cleaning out in various positions. She has a proper tiny tight spinner ass. Mmm.

So to sum up, if she hadn't been so fucking late it'd be a sound 10/10 must do, but fuck, I've been around enough to have decided that there are precious few women that are worth putting up with such a late showing for.

I will repeat as it was a lot of fun but it'll be clear that I'm not going to sit about with my cock in my hands (not literally) for an hour or so while she goes shopping. Actually maybe literally, depends.

If you like them petite, sweet and passionate, and don't give a fuck when they turn up, she's your girl. Once she's in the door its a good ride, but it's like joining the line at Universal Studios. You don't know when you'll get in, but you know you will and it'll be fun when you do, but maybe, just maybe, it's more fun to stay home, eat chips and play the playstation all day while watching porn. At least you can cum on YOUR schedule then.[/QUOTE]What each of them ask for as far as donation I see most and SP love or Twitter ask R400.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2486197]Long story short. She shows up 80 minutes late, despite having spoken hours in advance and assured me she'd be on time. I fucking cannot abide lateness, I'm sorry but I can't. Ten minutes or so for traffic is fine but 'I'm shopping, be there soon' ten minutes before our meeting from the other side of town is just fucking rude. My time, and hers also I am sure, is worth more.
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So to sum up, if she hadn't been so fucking late it'd be a sound 10/10 must do, but fuck, I've been around enough to have decided that there are precious few women that are worth putting up with such a late showing for.[/QUOTE]Glad she's worth a repeat.

I don't think you have been on the Brazil thread very long. Brazilians are known for tardiness. Not 15-20 min.....a long time. You are also dealing with young women not female business executives There are countless stories of guys waiting for Brazilian girls and wanting to just give up waiting. One guy was waiting at a love motel. Who wants to sit around a fuckin' love hotel waiting with their dick in their hand.

Anyway, that maybe another reason for the boates Scandallo, Casarao, etc. The girls are already there. You just have to put in some time upfront, but shopping for a girl in a club is enjoyable.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2486393]Glad she's worth a repeat.

I don't think you have been on the Brazil thread very long. Brazilians are known for tardiness. Not 15-20 min.....a long time. You are also dealing with young women not female business executives There are countless stories of guys waiting for Brazilian girls and wanting to just give up waiting. One guy was waiting at a love motel. Who wants to sit around a fuckin' love hotel waiting with their dick in their hand.

Anyway, that maybe another reason for the boates Scandallo, Casarao, etc. The girls are already there. You just have to put in some time upfront, but shopping for a girl in a club is enjoyable.[/QUOTE]Agree with Wyatt. This is a cultural thing — not that girl disrespecting you. If a Brasileira is an hour late that's considered on time. Seriously. It's not the same as US. Had this first happen with Carolina. We agreed to meet at this bar. I waited like 20 minutes and they were closing. I had to wait outside. She was always "on her way". Finally an hour later she showed. I was a bit pissed but in the end totally worth the wait.

Same thing with Thifany in London if you read that story. Not at our room at agreed time. Lots of back and forth. Oh I'm getting an Uber etc. Finally there 90 minutes later. At this point I would normally be pissed. But I realized it's cultural. And sure enough she's just her happy bubbly self. No apology. Because you know what? In her head she's on time!

Anyhow some guys may "put their foot down" but for me Brasileiras are completely worth this idiosyncrasy for all the other great attributes they bring. And seriously it's a cultural thing — so don't judge too harshly.

Bom gia fellow mongers. Its been over four years since I was in Sao Paulo, (forced retirement). I just read back a dozen pages looking for ABG. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Cheers HD2.

[QUOTE=HornDogToo;2486426]Bom gia fellow mongers. Its been over four years since I was in Sao Paulo, (forced retirement). I just read back a dozen pages looking for ABG. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Cheers HD2.[/QUOTE]Someone posted he had sadly passed away, RIP.

[QUOTE=HornDogToo;2486426]Bom gia fellow mongers. Its been over four years since I was in Sao Paulo, (forced retirement). I just read back a dozen pages looking for ABG. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Cheers HD2.[/QUOTE]Passed away perhaps a year back.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486435]Passed away perhaps a year back.[/QUOTE]Thank you. That breaks my heart. A big guy, huge voice and even bigger personality and heart to match. RIP.

Re the cost, Sara bunny asked for 80 us dollars total, I gave her a tip because she was really fun and did some weird shit I wanted to do.

Summer at first said 4 hour session, 500 dollars. I think she realised I don't smoke crack and quickly backpedalled. I didn't want 4 hours or to spend 500 bucks. Ended up at 120 which was one of the sticking points when she started to change shit.

Yeah I don't have a lot of experience in Brazil other than a few visits a couple years ago and most of that time I spent at tanagara but I understand the cultural thing from having lived in various Mediterranean countries. Still, if I'm paying for your time and I tell you explicitly that being late is not cool, don't be fucking late. Still, she did go home with a red ass after I spanked the shit out of her (her request, she told me she was a naughty brat and would need correction).

[QUOTE=Muppets;2487001]............ she did go home with a red ass after I spanked the shit out of her (her request, she told me she was a naughty brat and would need correction).[/QUOTE]So very few girls request to be spanked. Some years ago a girl asked me to spank her while in doggie I did so and no matter how hard I hit her she would shout "harder". I dare anyone to not nut in such circumstances.

Looking on a site like.

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/[/URL]

Leads one to believe most of the girls have augmented breasts. Have not be to SP in awhile, is that true?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2487064]So very few girls request to be spanked. Some years ago a girl asked me to spank her while in doggie I did so and no matter how hard I hit her she would shout "harder". I dare anyone to not nut in such circumstances.[/QUOTE]That is unbelievably hot. I know many suggest simply going to clinicas in SP because of the potential for catfishes and lackluster service that can come from escorts, but would a clinica woman be up for spanking and fetish stuff like this? I really enjoy submissive women and I figure it'the be easier to ask that from an escort than asking at a clinica. Is this incorrect to assume?

Wow, very sad to hear that the notorious ABG also passed away. Good man and yes with a heart of gold. Sad times indeed.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486435]Passed away perhaps a year back.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

Has anyone traveled to Brazil by air since the ban lifted few days back? I read there are some very specific proof of insurance requirements for foreigners and that the document must state the person is covered in Brazil for up to 30,000 reals. I don't think it is that simple to obtain such a letter from my government! If anyone has traveled in last few days and dealt with this situation, please share your experience. I am itching to travel to Brazil after a long wait of 2 years.

Thanks.

Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2487432]That is unbelievably hot. I know many suggest simply going to clinicas in SP because of the potential for catfishes and lackluster service that can come from escorts, but would a clinica woman be up for spanking and fetish stuff like this? I really enjoy submissive women and I figure it'the be easier to ask that from an escort than asking at a clinica. Is this incorrect to assume?[/QUOTE]Actually, the girl I referred to was a US escort. I have done only clinica garotas in Sao Paulo so I can't speak for escorts. The clinica girls would tolerate moderate spanking but I have come across none who asked for it really hard. In terms of coitus I have noticed that girls in their mid to late twenties are much more sexually enthusiastic than those in their late teens early twenties.

[QUOTE=ExecTalent;2487406]Looking on a site like.

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/[/URL]

Leads one to believe most of the girls have augmented breasts. Have not be to SP in awhile, is that true?[/QUOTE]Haha. That's just who's on that site. At the club you can judge for yourself. I had 8 girls last summer and only one had bolt ONS. Plenty of natural talent to be had.

Has Bomboa opened up again? Any updated news about Bomboa from anybody on the ground in the know? Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2487432]That is unbelievably hot. I know many suggest simply going to clinicas in SP because of the potential for catfishes and lackluster service that can come from escorts, but would a clinica woman be up for spanking and fetish stuff like this? I really enjoy submissive women and I figure it'the be easier to ask that from an escort than asking at a clinica. Is this incorrect to assume?[/QUOTE]Sent you PM.

[QUOTE=Frankfurt;2487583]Guys,

Has anyone traveled to Brazil by air since the ban lifted few days back? I read there are some very specific proof of insurance requirements for foreigners and that the document must state the person is covered in Brazil for up to 30,000 reals. I don't think it is that simple to obtain such a letter from my government! If anyone has traveled in last few days and dealt with this situation, please share your experience. I am itching to travel to Brazil after a long wait of 2 years.

Thanks.

Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]The gate agent is suppose to check it before you board the plane. Do you have the option to purchase travel insurance when purchasing your plane ticket? That is what I did and it shows the coverage amount on the contract.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2487685]Haha. That's just who's on that site. At the club you can judge for yourself. I had 8 girls last summer and only one had bolt ONS. Plenty of natural talent to be had.[/QUOTE]Bolt ONS are my fav LOL. Most clinica girls do not have bolt ONS because I find them to be more conservative. Girls at the clubs have bolt ONS to compete with others though most do not have.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2487758]Bolt ONS are my fav LOL. Most clinica girls do not have bolt ONS because I find them to be more conservative. Girls at the clubs have bolt ONS to compete with others though most do not have.[/QUOTE]Are you serious that you like bolt ONS? I really wonder what is the % of men that find them attractive. I cannot think of a single case where I found a tit job to be better than the natural proportions, except in cases like reconstructive surgery or women over 40. I find that most of the men I talk to also hate them, but that is just anecdotal, not statistical.

I have written on this before. The Brazilian women in general have been brainwashed into thinking of having their "tits done" as something of a status symbol, a natural rite of passage once you have enough money, like buying an absurdly priced iPhone. In recent discussions I have come to find that many of the ladies want tit jobs so that they can show cleavage when wearing a dress. Which makes me just shake my head and weep.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2487806]Are you serious that you like bolt ONS? I really wonder what is the % of men that find them attractive.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm with Hobbying on this one. Fake T's are fantastic in my opinion.

It's an age old debate natural T's or fakies.

Depending on a guys preference obviously. It probably correlates also to how watching porn has changed / rewired our brains into what we now like and prefer.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2487806]Are you serious that you like bolt ONS? I really wonder what is the % of men that find them attractive. I cannot think of a single case where I found a tit job to be better than the natural proportions, except in cases like reconstructive surgery or women over 40. I find that most of the men I talk to also hate them, but that is just anecdotal, not statistical.[/QUOTE]I can go either way. I mean, natural is always good, but some tit jobs are damn good too! But when they're bad, they're bad, including how some women get bad scarring underneath. But a quality, well-done tit job is fine with me.

Thanks for the response -I don't think Lufthansa sells health insurance but I am sure travel insurance protection is generally an option with major airlines. I'd have to buy health insurance likely from a 3rd party.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2487756]The gate agent is suppose to check it before you board the plane. Do you have the option to purchase travel insurance when purchasing your plane ticket? That is what I did and it shows the coverage amount on the contract.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornDogToo;2486426]Bom gia fellow mongers. Its been over four years since I was in Sao Paulo, (forced retirement). I just read back a dozen pages looking for ABG. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Cheers HD2.[/QUOTE]Many many reliable sources saying that ABG passed away. Sounds tragic.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487747]Has Bomboa opened up again? Any updated news about Bomboa from anybody on the ground in the know? Thanks in advance![/QUOTE][URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL]

They have not updated their site. I imagine it will be months before they find a new locations and remodel the place.

It is the only place I know of in SP that has medical exams every two months required to be done by the girls. So the owner is extra safe and I doubt the place will open again until next year when the vaccine is readily available.

I also had some great memories going there so hopefully the new place will be bigger and better.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2487806]Are you serious that you like bolt ONS? I really wonder what is the % of men that find them attractive. I cannot think of a single case where I found a tit job to be better than the natural proportions, except in cases like reconstructive surgery or women over 40. I find that most of the men I talk to also hate them, but that is just anecdotal, not statistical.

I have written on this before. The Brazilian women in general have been brainwashed into thinking of having their "tits done" as something of a status symbol, a natural rite of passage once you have enough money, like buying an absurdly priced iPhone. In recent discussions I have come to find that many of the ladies want tit jobs so that they can show cleavage when wearing a dress. Which makes me just shake my head and weep.[/QUOTE]From a biology standpoint, men are attracted to bigger breast because it a sign that the female potential mother is able to produce abundant milk.

From my standpoint, implants makes them look slutty like in pornos which is what most guys want to live out their fantasies.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2487806]Are you serious that you like bolt ONS? I really wonder what is the % of men that find them attractive. ..................[/QUOTE]My problem with bolt-ons is that the chicks won't let me play with them the way that I want to. Big naturals any day.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487747]Has Bomboa opened up again? Any updated news about Bomboa from anybody on the ground in the know? Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]They are opening in some other location. Still no details.

Most likely in October or November.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2486197]So, Due back in SP on Oct 6 for a couple of days, have arranged to meet Olivia again. However today I find myself unexpectedly back in SP. So, as suggested, I arranged a meeting with [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/sara-bunny[/URL] Sara Bunny.

Down to earth and no BS whatsapp chat and a time was set.

Sounds fun, am looking forward to it. Check out her Twitter. Same girl but shorter hair and paler than on Cmodel. Cool.

Long story short. She shows up 80 minutes late, despite having spoken hours in advance and assured me she'd be on time. I fucking cannot abide lateness, I'm sorry but I can't. Ten minutes or so for traffic is fine but 'I'm shopping, be there soon' ten minutes before our meeting from the other side of town is just fucking rude. My time, and hers also I am sure, is worth more.

Anyway. I get on with some shit I need to do online and try not to be pissed off. Just as I am about 30 seconds from saying, don't bother, I'm going to go jerk off, my hand is fucking punctual, she shows up. Skintight black dress and fuck me heels, with a goodie bag with new lingerie that still has the tags on it.

Oh well, I'm still annoyed but at least she wasnt sitting on her ass eating a mcD's and browsing facebook (maybe she was but she hid it well).

So. From there it just got real good real fast. She's a proper pale skinned redhead. Slightly mad, lots of fun and very passionate. Crazy eyes. If you have ever played Hellblade, Senua's Sacrifice, then welcome to hell. You are about to fuck Senua in all her mad eyed crazy shit glory.[/QUOTE]Guy,

You got lucky. Many people have problem with this working girl.

I am lurker here but don't register before due to my bad English.

This Sara Bunny is famous for be late and give cake to clients. She is already working since 6 years and change her name at minimum 5 times. So she is not young. Someone on twitter said she completed 30 years old last week. Her first name was "Lailla Owen". She trade sex to the moderation of GPGuia to hide her old topic. But still it is findable on archive. Org. Many people complained of her marking with two client for the same hour on case one cancel her. She doesn't respect the hour of others!

Her old topic: [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20180509121612/http://gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=155882&start=20[/URL].

The fotos are different from reality because in the ensaio at clubmodel she use a fake megahair and has filters or photoshop to most of her fotos. She paints her hair red and is not natural.

She is true crazy liked you said. Many scars on her arms and legs. For some guy this is a big fetiche. They say crazy fucks good. Kkkk. But really be careful of this one, dude. One time ago she expose her ex-boyfriend on twitter then he expose that she made a coup of the belly and become pregnant from a Japanese client. There was photos so it is not just rumor. She is like a bad telenovela.

If you eat her again 80 $ dolares is already much more than her normal cache. Don't give extra tips or this girls think they can inflate the price to us all!

[QUOTE=NandoSinistro;2488055]Guy,

You got lucky. Many people have problem with this working girl.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing the info man, that's excellent. You're English is good, we're lucky to have a local brasileiro posting.

What are you favorites places in SP to meet girls? The streets? Boates?

Um prazer.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2487935]From a biology standpoint, men are attracted to bigger breast because it a sign that the female potential mother is able to produce abundant milk.

From my standpoint, implants makes them look slutty like in pornos which is what most guys want to live out their fantasies.[/QUOTE]Perhaps, if one looks at the breasts in isolation, but from an evolutionary biology perspective I would argue that "proportion" is the most valued aesthetic trait, and fake tits almost always create worse proportions than nature. I find them to be less exciting in every way, esthetically, and sexually because I find the "porn star" look to be a red flag that says "seasoned pro" . "goza pra mim amor" style. But I guess we all have our tastes, thanks for the response.

[QUOTE=PDawg23;2488025]They are opening in some other location. Still no details.

Most likely in October or November.[/QUOTE]Unless you are hearing something that I have not heard, I would not hold my breath. I have not heard even a whisper of a date or location and I would expect to hear the rumor of opening way before any real activity. Of Photo I heard maybe some place on Bandeirantes, and of Bomboa zip. If these closures were driven by pandemic financial crunch I would be surprised if they reopened at all unless they were able to find a super deal on a new location that became available for the same reason.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2488103]Unless you are hearing something that I have not heard, I would not hold my breath. I have not heard even a whisper of a date or location and I would expect to hear the rumor of opening way before any real activity. Of Photo I heard maybe some place on Bandeirantes, and of Bomboa zip. If these closures were driven by pandemic financial crunch I would be surprised if they reopened at all unless they were able to find a super deal on a new location that became available for the same reason.[/QUOTE]I didn't know that Cafe Photo was on the "endangered list" too! No Bomboa and Cafe Photo would be a serious, serious hit to the "night league" in Sao Paulo. I've found some really good talent in those places. Man oh man this sucks!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2488130]I didn't know that Cafe Photo was on the "endangered list" too! No Bomboa and Cafe Photo would be a serious, serious hit to the "night league" in Sao Paulo. I've found some really good talent in those places. Man oh man this sucks![/QUOTE]I thought most girls would head over to Scandello but did not. Curious where they all went, maybe back to their home city.

I agree, it does not look like Bomboa will open anytime soon. However Cafe Photo will. New address is already published on their website. There are photos on their instagram, how the new place will look like after renovation. I expect reopening early next year. Scandallo is open pretty much as pre-pandemic, last week jardin and restaurant only. I was told club area opens this week. Quality bit lower as it used to be. Connection is open and quite busy from wed-fri. Casarão will reopen very soon, maybe in October.

I agree, it does not look like Bomboa will open anytime soon. However Cafe Photo will. New address is already published on their website. There are photos on their instagram, how the new place will look like after renovation. I expect reopening early next year. Scandallo is open pretty much as pre-pandemic, last week jardin and restaurant only. I was told club area opens this week. Quality bit lower as it used to be. Connection is open and busy from wed-fri. Casarão will reopen very soon, maybe in October.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2488275]I agree, it does not look like Bomboa will open anytime soon. However Cafe Photo will. New address is already published on their website. There are photos on their instagram, how the new place will look like after renovation. I expect reopening early next year. Scandallo is open pretty much as pre-pandemic, last week jardin and restaurant only. I was told club area opens this week. Quality bit lower as it used to be. Connection is open and busy from wed-fri. Casaro will reopen very soon, maybe in October.[/QUOTE]Good info on new Photo location. Photos look promising, super close to me so I will check it out when it opens. I like the look, maybe Photo 3.0 will be something of a return to the original Photo 1. 0 atmosphere which was more festive than the recently closed version 2.0. I really hope it can reestablish itself as an alternative to Scandalo. Photo 1.0 was fantastic, never a fan of Photo 2.0.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2488275]I agree, it does not look like Bomboa will open anytime soon. However Cafe Photo will. New address is already published on their website. There are photos on their instagram, how the new place will look like after renovation. I expect reopening early next year. Scandallo is open pretty much as pre-pandemic, last week jardin and restaurant only. I was told club area opens this week. Quality bit lower as it used to be. Connection is open and busy from wed-fri. Casaro will reopen very soon, maybe in October.[/QUOTE]Lower quality girls? That's distressing to hear. Planning on visiting over Thanksgiving. Good to know at least that the dance area is opening soon.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2488346]Lower quality girls? That's distressing to hear. Planning on visiting over Thanksgiving. Good to know at least that the dance area is opening soon.[/QUOTE]On my last visits there were many girls, who do not justify Scandallo's prices. There were always some in the past, but not that many and definitely the superstars have not returned yet. I might check out the place again tonight.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2488586]On my last visits there were many girls, who do not justify Scandallo's prices. There were always some in the past, but not that many and definitely the superstars have not returned yet. I might check out the place again tonight.[/QUOTE]Many of the top girls got a boyfriend during the pandemic. They needed someone to help pay their bills amd since they rather not risk working and catching the virus the next best thing is to hook up with a sugar daddy.

As it should be no surprise, two guys got the virus a few days after at a club. Where they got it from no one can really know but they could spread it to girls they've seen.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2488586]On my last visits there were many girls, who do not justify Scandallo's prices. There were always some in the past, but not that many and definitely the superstars have not returned yet. I might check out the place again tonight.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I'm intrigued to see what you find out. Long time lurker here, but first time poster. Have been to Brazil for the past few years but have missed it so much that I'll be booking a trip next week to return there.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2488732]As it should be no surprise, two guys got the virus a few days after at a club. Where they got it from no one can really know but they could spread it to girls they've seen.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to Scandalo? Can I ask how you found out, like was it in the news or friens of yours or garora grapevine?

Asking cause I was there last thusday and felt sick on Saturday.

As fir the quality, I would suggest guys don't overthink it. Scandalo draws on a large talent pool, there are always some chicks there that look like they shouldn't be, and one guys superstar is another guys meh.

Hello Everyone,

I'm going to go through the thread and put a google sheet together. If anyone has something currently they want to send me before I begin this process please send. It's going to take some time for me put it together. In addition, I'll add a google maps with locations.

Duke.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2489417]Hello Everyone,

I'm going to go through the thread and put a google sheet together. If anyone has something currently they want to send me before I begin this process please send. It's going to take some time for me put it together. In addition, I'll add a google maps with locations.

Duke.[/QUOTE]FYI World Travel 69, [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&ll=-23.56436189015047%2C-46.61419359078007&z=12&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU[/URL].

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2488921]Are you referring to Scandalo? Can I ask how you found out, like was it in the news or friens of yours or garora grapevine?

Asking cause I was there last thusday and felt sick on Saturday.

As fir the quality, I would suggest guys don't overthink it. Scandalo draws on a large talent pool, there are always some chicks there that look like they shouldn't be, and one guys superstar is another guys meh.[/QUOTE]I found out from guys that got positive covid test. They don't know where they got it. It is a risk for people as Sao Paulo registers 5-7 thousand new cases a day.

Can anyone speak to the availability of fetish requests in clinicas? Nothing crazy, just would like submissive women with elements of BDSM. Or would this be better suited for escorts? I have looked on Photo and can't find too many escorts that are explicit about being okay with being submissive for a session. Any fetish-oriented escort directories or services in SP? Please feel free to PM me if you would like to share privately. Would appreciate any suggestions.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2488586]On my last visits there were many girls, who do not justify Scandallo's prices. There were always some in the past, but not that many and definitely the superstars have not returned yet. I might check out the place again tonight.[/QUOTE]Every girl has their own "valor" value.

It's not cheap to work there either, most have to take Uber and then pay entrance fee 250 reais if they don't go there every day and eat there if no client invites to eat. So even the less attractive girls have no choice but to ask the same price as others.

Because the price of entry is high to work there, the girls that do not make money stops working there. So girls are not turned away from working by management because girls are clients of the club also, they just stop going if they do not make money.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2288038]That is a report of distinction and answers most of the questions a 2019 visitor should have. I personally will not reply to any newbie questions in 2019 unless the user indicates that they have read Thunder5's report and their question goes beyond what he has already covered.

Thunder5 has provided a good roadmap for the short term visitor. The only thing I would add is that once you have sampled the big 3 - TG, Casarao and Scandalo, if you have time permitting you can also sample Bomboa (same cost as Scandalo but a different vibe, more Brazilian), and some other clinicas (for a broader selection of ladies). That's pretty much it.[/QUOTE]I have RTFF.

[QUOTE=HornDogToo;2486426]Bom gia fellow mongers. Its been over four years since I was in Sao Paulo, (forced retirement). I just read back a dozen pages looking for ABG. Any info appreciated. Thanks. Cheers HD2.[/QUOTE]That's really so sad about ABG. I hadn't seen any posts from him for so long, I had wondered about this. He was such a gentleman and made my trip to SP so much more enjoyable. He was such good character, and had such a genuine personality. He will be missed.

Went to Scandallo last Wednesday. The disco area has finally reopened. Again was not impressed with the talent though. The few ones worth the 250 take out fee + 1000 for the girl, were already busy. Went to Connection after. Same owner as Scandallo and many girls switching between the two places. Prices about half, good party atmosphere. Brought a girl home for 400. She would have been among the top 10 that night in Scandallo also. My favourite place now.

Looks like this thread got hit with a buzzkill.

On a lighter note, how are things in São Paulo? For those who are there.

Are the boates getting better and having more talent as each week progresses?

Another fun day in Sao Paulo.

I'm heading to SP Tuesday for two weeks. I'll let you know. I'm also keen to hear from anyone who has been to the clinicas recently. Understandably there are few recent posts.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2491499]Looks like this thread got hit with a buzzkill.

On a lighter note, how are things in So Paulo? For those who are there.

Are the boates getting better and having more talent as each week progresses?[/QUOTE]

Hey man, could you please clear some space on your PM? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2491496]Went to Scandallo last Wednesday. The disco area has finally reopened. Again was not impressed with the talent though. The few ones worth the 250 take out fee + 1000 for the girl, were already busy. Went to Connection after. Same owner as Scandallo and many girls switching between the two places. Prices about half, good party atmosphere. Brought a girl home for 400. She would have been among the top 10 that night in Scandallo also. My favourite place now.[/QUOTE]Yea Connection is a very nice place isn't it? When you drive past there you don't even know its open, its all pitch black with no sound coming out of there, funny. I like that club, but its too far away. But it was my only choice when I was there in the 2nd week of August.

Went to Connection + Tangara this past Saturday.

Tangara. Imo this place was just terrible. Long queues, no good looking women at all and I was there for possibly 10 minutes and left. No temp checks, no masks. You couldn't pay me to fuck these girls.

Connection Nightclub. Hate how it's so far from everything but figured why not. So I show up, it's super dark outside as others say so wasn't sure if it's open or not. The moment I open my Uber door, I see some **** walking out screaming and hollering across the street. She looks good. I'm going to assume it was open. Walk in, the bodyguard just pats me down. No temp check or face masks in here. 100 reais cover. Club is dead, but there are some hotties in here surprisingly. Girls tell me club is extremely dead and a few worked at both Scandallo and here. They say Connection is better than Scandallo now since it's so expensive there. Business as normal here. Took a girl upstairs, had a good fuck and left. Will have to check on Scandallo this next week as I will be popping over to Rio for a few days to see what's good over there.

I just added the mongering places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.56737861056829%2C-46.677013412689575&z=11[/URL]

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2480505]I see Scandallo Lounge is about to reopen. Since I had nothing to do I was on social media and saw some potential mongering spots that to my recollection had not been mentioned in the SP forum. [B]If anyone has time to check them out please report your findings[/B] or if you already know if any of these establishments please report your experiences. I haven't been to SP in such a long time so I cannot vouch for these establishments except for Love Story (but again I do not know how it is now). Some may be a distance away. Anyhoo. Just something I saw while on social media. I added some regular clubs just for fun. Copy paste links.

[B]Mongering spots:[/B]

Gauguin Club -Rua Arizona, 1550, Brooklin, 04567-003 Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil [URL]http://www.gauguinclub.com.br/[/URL] +55115505-5515.

812 Night Club -Guarulhos. Av. Carlos Ferreira Endres No812-Itapegica,07041-030 Guarulhos, SP, Brazil [URL]http://www.812club.com.br[/URL] +551195086-9949.

SPICY (Swing) CLUB -Alameda dos Pamaris, 42 Moema, So Paulo, SP [URL]https://spicyclub.com.br/[/URL] +551194762-2027.

2028 Augusta Bar -Rua Augusta, 2028,01412-000 - Cerqueira seesar, So Paulo / SP [URL]http://2028bar.com.br/[/URL] +551193407-8780.

Nova Ilha the Fantasia -Avenida Salim Farah Maluf - 3680 - Quarta Parada, So Paulo. SP [URL]https://www.ilhadafantasia.com.br/[/URL] +551198522-8046.

Playboy Night Club -Rua Tuiuti, 1230 - Tatuap, 03081-012 - So Paulo. SP [URL]https://playboynightclub.com.br/[/URL] +551197042-8340.

Connection Night Club -Av. Dr. Eduardo Cotching, 1178, Jardim Anlia Franco. So Paulo. SP [URL]http://www.connectionvip.com.br/[/URL] +55112672-1700.

[B]Regular[/B] Clubs (Mongering Potential*)

Dukke Entretenimento -Rua Funchal, 619, So Paulo, SP, Brazil [URL]https://www.facebook.com/DukKeSP[/URL].

Carioca Club -Rua Cardeal Arcoverde, 2899 [URL]http://web.cariocaclub.com.br/[/URL].

LE Reve -Rua. Marqus de Paranagu, 329 [URL]http://www.lereveclub.com.br/[/URL] [URL]https://youtu.be/PWtJR6x9bRM[/URL].

Love Story* - Rua. Arajo, 232 Repblica [URL]http://www.danceterialovestory.tur.br/[/URL].

Cafe Piu Piu -Rua. Treze de Maio, 134 Bela Vista [URL]http://cafepiupiu.com.br/[/URL].

Gracia Bar -Rua Corop, 87 [URL]https://graciabar.com.br/[/URL].

Bourbon Street Music Club -Rua. Dos Chans, 127 [URL]https://bourbonstreet.com.br/[/URL].

Mahau -Rua. Professor Atlio Innocenti 160, Itaim Bibi [URL]http://www.mahaurestaurantebar.com.br/[/URL].

Sutton Sao Paulo -Avenida Brigadeiro Faria Lima 4509,18 floor. Rooftop, Sao Paulo, 03178-200.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NYmO5I5iOX0[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/XFui-N-igXI[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/01P7ilEt7bY[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2492182]Went to Connection + Tangara this past Saturday.

Tangara. Imo this place was just terrible. Long queues, no good looking women at all and I was there for possibly 10 minutes and left. No temp checks, no masks. You couldn't pay me to fuck these girls.

Connection Nightclub. Hate how it's so far from everything but figured why not. So I show up, it's super dark outside as others say so wasn't sure if it's open or not. The moment I open my Uber door, I see some **** walking out screaming and hollering across the street. She looks good. I'm going to assume it was open. Walk in, the bodyguard just pats me down. No temp check or face masks in here. 100 reais cover. Club is dead, but there are some hotties in here surprisingly. Girls tell me club is extremely dead and a few worked at both Scandallo and here. They say Connection is better than Scandallo now since it's so expensive there. Business as normal here. Took a girl upstairs, had a good fuck and left. Will have to check on Scandallo this next week as I will be popping over to Rio for a few days to see what's good over there.[/QUOTE]The best days for Connection are Wednesday and Thursday, the place will be packed till 4 am. Sat-Tue it's dead and not worth going. Scandallo always has a decent crowd.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2492335]The best days for Connection are Wednesday and Thursday, the place will be packed till 4 am. Sat-Tue it's dead and not worth going. Scandallo always has a decent crowd.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I'll save Connection for Wed / Thurs this upcoming week. Scandallo for the weekend. I messaged a few of the other clubs on social media and based on other reports they're either closed / undergoing renovation. Anyone know of anything different? Is Connection / Scandallo the only clubs open at this time or am I just incorrect?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2492305]I just added the mongering places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.56737861056829%2C-46.677013412689575&z=11[/URL][/QUOTE]Great Map and a good resource for all.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2492305]I just added the mongering places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.56737861056829%2C-46.677013412689575&z=11[/URL][/QUOTE]WT, You are a life saver! Excellent resource.

The map is excellent. Thank you. I was at Ibirapuera Shopping buying a SIM card yesterday (my old Claro card expired). When I was done I looked at the map and walked around the neighborhood and popped into Miruna. There were a handful of girls. It was still relatively early and some were just arriving. I had coffee and waited. Finally I chose Juliana. She is tall and slim. Lots of tats. Maybe a 7.5. Very friendly and very service oriented. (The downside is her breasts sag a bit, but overall not much to complain about). Did the deed and left very satisfied. Are $230 per hour. Asked her about covid. She said things are starting to pick up again. Perhaps I'll check out Brooklin and Kin today.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2492305]I just added the mongering places.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.56737861056829%2C-46.677013412689575&z=11[/URL][/QUOTE]

A follow up to last night's post. The price at Miruna should read "at are $230 per hour". A good deal.

I visited Brooklin and Kin today. Brooklin requires a temp check when entering and they place plastic overs on your shoes. Nice line up. The common area has been redone since my last visit a year ago. It's quite nice with a full bar. A good selection of girls for all tastes. Kin hasn't changed. It's a little downmarket but there are gems to be found.

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2492538]Good to know. I'll save Connection for Wed / Thurs this upcoming week. Scandallo for the weekend.[/QUOTE]Did you make it to Connection or Scandallo? If so, let us know how it goes there!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2493655]Did you make it to Connection or Scandallo? If so, let us know how it goes there!

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not yet. As I stated in a previous post I'm currently in Rio for a few days at a few of the Termas and local nightclubs. When I come back to Sao Paulo next week I would assume Connection to still have some hotties. I am curious to see how Scandallo is though as I heard that they increased prices.

Trip is coming up soon and having a second thought if it is worthy at this time due to Covid.

Is anyone who recently visited or living in Sao Paulo can chime in?

Covid cases are rampant where I live but a bit worry about Sao Paulo which never have visited before.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2493906]Trip is coming up soon and having a second thought if it is worthy at this time due to Covid.

Is anyone who recently visited or living in Sao Paulo can chime in?

Covid cases are rampant where I live but a bit worry about Sao Paulo which never have visited before.[/QUOTE]Life is short man, pull the trigger! Have a great time and let us know how the trip goes.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2493906]Trip is coming up soon and having a second thought if it is worthy at this time due to Covid.

Is anyone who recently visited or living in Sao Paulo can chime in?

Covid cases are rampant where I live but a bit worry about Sao Paulo which never have visited before.[/QUOTE]I'm not in Sampa but I don't think those on the ground can give a definitive answer to your question. Covid is a fact of current life, we all have to use our own judgment based on our own risk aversion and our current state of health. Either you are prepared to take the risk or your not, its your own personal call.

The fact that you are in this hobby suggests you are prepared to take some risks to enjoy what you like.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2493906]Trip is coming up soon and having a second thought if it is worthy at this time due to Covid.

Is anyone who recently visited or living in Sao Paulo can chime in?

Covid cases are rampant where I live but a bit worry about Sao Paulo which never have visited before.[/QUOTE]I live in Sao Paulo, my work takes me Rio, Curitiba & parts of MG. This is a screen shot from a SP morning talk show, kinda like the US Today show. It was broadcast on the 16 Oct show.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2493906]Trip is coming up soon and having a second thought if it is worthy at this time due to Covid.

Is anyone who recently visited or living in Sao Paulo can chime in?

Covid cases are rampant where I live but a bit worry about Sao Paulo which never have visited before.[/QUOTE]Having sex with multiple chicas is the complete opposite of social distancing. Of course it's not a "safe" activity (for both Covid and a number of other issues). That said, unless you are elderly or abuse, I'd go ahead and make the trip.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2494173]I live in Sao Paulo, my work takes me Rio, Curitiba & parts of MG. This is a screen shot from a SP morning talk show, kinda like the US Today show. It was broadcast on the 16 Oct show.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback but have no idea what the photo mean.

Would you mind giving out more details?

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2494279]Thanks for the feedback but have no idea what the photo mean.

Would you mind giving out more details?[/QUOTE]Subject: Covid-19 Deaths in Brasil.

Red = States with deaths on the rise: 1 state.

Yellow = States with deaths remaining stable: 6 states + DF (Brasilia).

Green = States reporting deaths on the decline: 19 states*.

*Update: Sao Paulo is now in the green.

Cheers.

Thanks Bro,

Appreciate it, I will avoid in future. Luckily my last visit a couple of weeks ago coincided with Olivia Diaz being back in town and I spent a pleasant two days inside her and enjoying that fabulous body. Which strangely enough is my plan for tomorrow when I arrive too.

I also tried a certain Naomi Hills from Clubmodel I think it was. Tall, slim kinda almost asian look to her. She was fun but I was tired and she was a bit mechanical at times, not sure I would repeat. She let me do some weird shit to her though so that was cool.

I have another few visits lined up where I'll see Olivia again but I also have a couple of others lined up to try.

[QUOTE=NandoSinistro;2488055]Guy,

You got lucky. Many people have problem with this working girl.

I am lurker here but don't register before due to my bad English.

This Sara Bunny is famous for be late and give cake to clients. She is already working since 6 years and change her name at minimum 5 times. So she is not young. Someone on twitter said she completed 30 years old last week. Her first name was "Lailla Owen". She trade sex to the moderation of GPGuia to hide her old topic. But still it is findable on archive. Org. Many people complained of her marking with two client for the same hour on case one cancel her. She doesn't respect the hour of others!

Her old topic: [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20180509121612/http://gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=155882&start=20[/URL].

The fotos are different from reality because in the ensaio at clubmodel she use a fake megahair and has filters or photoshop to most of her fotos. She paints her hair red and is not natural.

She is true crazy liked you said. Many scars on her arms and legs. For some guy this is a big fetiche. They say crazy fucks good. Kkkk. But really be careful of this one, dude. One time ago she expose her ex-boyfriend on twitter then he expose that she made a coup of the belly and become pregnant from a Japanese client. There was photos so it is not just rumor. She is like a bad telenovela.

If you eat her again 80 $ dolares is already much more than her normal cache. Don't give extra tips or this girls think they can inflate the price to us all![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2494279]Thanks for the feedback but have no idea what the photo mean.

Would you mind giving out more details?[/QUOTE]Subject: Covid-19 Deaths in Brasil.

Red = States with deaths on the rise: 1 state.

Yellow = States with deaths remaining stable: 6 states + DF (Brasilia).

Green = States reporting deaths on the decline: 19 states*.

*Update: Sao Paulo is now in the green.

Cheers.

Hello fellow mongers.

This is just a follow up to my previous post about my upcoming trip to Brazil in two months. I'm going to be staying in SP a little longer than Rio, because of all the additional treats that SP offers for a first timer heading to possibly the most under-rated spot for mongering. Just like Rio, I've already contacted some of the girls on Twitter and confirmed dates for them and their friends. Rio does have some gem acompanhantes but SP completely dominates it in terms of volume. All the classic boates are on my list including the legendary Scandallo. Would like to get a taste of everything the country has to offer (Clinicas, Boates, Termas, acompanhantes luxo, even Tinder just to see if I can find one college student fluent in english). I will probably be going to a clinica as well, most likely brooklin but based on what I've heard, Brazil doesn't have the best quality of erotic "masseuse" and personally I find the girls that I talk to on twitter to be far more attractive and younger. I don't mind spending 150-300 BRL extra on a quality girl than an average gaucha. For the one's who are interested, girls like at larissagaucha cost around the 400-500 region and I've confirmed with over 15+ just for backup even though I'll probably see 6-7. Send me a direct message if you like to see the other ones. Unlike Rio, I've booked an Airbnb which has a private safebox just in case.

Based on my research, SP doesn't really have much to do for the day other than strolling around paulista which was recommended and wanted to watch a Corinthians game but not sure if the stadium's will open by then. If any of the veterans can let me know of the best ways to spend the days until a visit form an acompanhante+Scandallo, it would be highly appreciated. Also I wanted to know if some of the girls that work in boates, are also independent escorts on the side posted in some of the websites like splove or private55, because from what I've heard, some of the boates get packed with 50+ chicas at once.

Finally, I don't speak Portuguese, comfortable in Spanish but will be planning to learn the basics few days before the trip. I personally don't think language should be an issue but you guys should know way more than I do.

P.S., there's even better things to use, other than google translate on your phone!

Looking forward to hear back from experts!

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2493750]Not yet. As I stated in a previous post I'm currently in Rio for a few days at a few of the Termas and local nightclubs. When I come back to Sao Paulo next week I would assume Connection to still have some hotties. I am curious to see how Scandallo is though as I heard that they increased prices.[/QUOTE]I don't think Scandallo increased prices. It is still Entrada 150 and Consumacao 150. Drink prices also seem to be unchanged. Scandallo and Connection will be the only boates with both quality and quantity at the moment. There might be some smaller and cheaper places open now, however I doubt they have hot girls, except maybe Cafe Gauguin, which could be good on the weekend.

Update on Casarao, they will not open before December, maybe even January. Same for Cafe Photo.

[QUOTE=SixMongerSix;2494525]Based on my research, SP doesn't really have much to do for the day other than strolling around paulista which was recommended and wanted to watch a Corinthians game but not sure if the stadium's will open by then. If any of the veterans can let me know of the best ways to spend the days until a visit form an acompanhante+Scandallo, it would be highly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Actually cruising the malls in Sao Paulo isn't so bad. Now take into consideration these recommendations fall under killing time.

You can go to Bar do Mané in the Mercado Municipal and have a chopp (draft beer), the famous mortadella sandwich and the pastels. It's not the best market in the world and it can be a bit touristy, but it is a fun diversion. There are other restaurants there as well. São Bento metro is a short walk from the market.

I've walked around Japantown in Liberdade and grabbed some Japanese food for lunch. You might catch a street market. There are some cute Asian mix girls working in the stores.

Since we are heading into summer, it's nice to walk around Parque Ibirapuera. There should be some female joggers to check out. Shopping Ibirapuera mall is not too far away as well as some of the clinicas. The MASP art museum in Jardim Paulista doesn't compare to the great art museums of the world, but it can hold your attention for a few hours.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2494529]I don't think Scandallo increased prices. It is still Entrada 150 and Consumacao 150. Drink prices also seem to be unchanged. Scandallo and Connection will be the only boates with both quality and quantity at the moment. There might be some smaller and cheaper places open now, however I doubt they have hot girls, except maybe Cafe Gauguin, which could be good on the weekend.

Update on Casarao, they will not open before December, maybe even January. Same for Cafe Photo.[/QUOTE]And is Bomboa really as good as dead?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2494592]Actually cruising the malls in Sao Paulo isn't so bad. Now take into consideration these recommendations fall under killing time.

You can go to Bar do Man in the Mercado Municipal and have a chopp (draft beer), the famous mortadella sandwich and the pastels. It's not the best market in the world and it can be a bit touristy, but it is a fun diversion. There are other restaurants there as well. So Bento metro is a short walk from the market.

I've walked around Japantown in Liberdade and grabbed some Japanese food for lunch. You might catch a street market. There are some cute Asian mix girls working in the stores.

Since we are heading into summer, it's nice to walk around Parque Ibirapuera. There should be some female joggers to check out. Shopping Ibirapuera mall is not too far away as well as some of the clinicas. The MASP art museum in Jardim Paulista doesn't compare to the great art museums of the world, but it can hold your attention for a few hours.[/QUOTE]Cheers for the feedback Wyatt.

I did have MASP, Mercado Municipal and Praca Benedito Calixto on the list but thought to minimize because of the current situation. Having said that, SP is in the green zone right now and I'm hoping it would get better by December. As I posted earlier, personally I wouldn't mind spending 400-500 on the "luxo" acompanhantes but reading some of your older reviews alongside Muppets, it seems like the quality of the girls in Bomboa and Cafe photo may be as good but cheaper.

Also I did book a hotel room for Rio but decided to go with an Airbnb in Jardins which costs half the amount of the good hotels and x5 the size. Some of them remind me of the classic lofts in old Montreal, plus I figured it'll be more enjoyable for my travelling partners. I'm going to check Tinder too but it seems like the girls are not as active as other locations.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2494611]And is Bomboa really as good as dead?[/QUOTE]Site says coming soon [URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2494520]Subject: Covid-19 Deaths in Brasil.

Red = States with deaths on the rise: 1 state.

Yellow = States with deaths remaining stable: 6 states + DF (Brasilia).

Green = States reporting deaths on the decline: 19 states*.

*Update: Sao Paulo is now in the green.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Still 5000+ new cases a day in SP, would not be consider blue in other countries.

Any recommendations on some good clinicas these days? I know Abbóbora was great pre-pandemic and I plan on checking it out either today or tomorrow but was trying to see where the best day time spots are. Was terribly disappointed in Tangara. Seeing as how Scandallo / Connection are the only night time spots, I want to see what are everyone's thoughts on day time spots. Yes, I can use some of the escort sites but that requires syncing up and what not and I'm usually busy with work during the day so I just want somewhere I can go, pop in, and pop right back out. Call it a lunch break if you will.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2494751]Still 5000+ new cases a day in SP, would not be consider blue in other countries.[/QUOTE]Would be curious as to your data source. I work with some of the major pharmaceutical firms, medical equipment suppliers, medical / healthcare providers & professionals in the SP / MG / PR / RJ area. My sources are telling me Covid-19 deaths in the SP city / state area are down a -31% over the last 2 week period.

Your data is extremely flawed. Where are you anyway?

If you want I'd be more than happy to post data from my sources. Assuming you do the same. Which I'm quite sure you can't!

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2494830]Would be curious as to your data source. I work with some of the major pharmaceutical firms, medical equipment suppliers, medical / healthcare providers & professionals in the SP / MG / PR / RJ area. My sources are telling me Covid-19 deaths in the SP city / state area are down a -31% over the last 2 week period.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2494751]Still 5000+ new cases a day in SP, would not be consider blue in other countries.[/QUOTE]If you two are going to argue then use the same set of facts. Go to the Detail section.

[URL]https://susanalitico.saude.gov.br/extensions/covid-19_html/covid-19_html.html[/URL]

or

https://www.bing.com/search?q=daily+covid+cases+in+sao+paulo&cvid=94f03981233f4017921b0b001d995d69&pglt=171&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

or

https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/saude/noticia/2020-10/covid-19-brazil-has-749-deaths-27200-new-cases-24-hours

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2494934]If you two are going to argue then use the same set of facts. Go to the Detail section.

[URL]https://susanalitico.saude.gov.br/extensions/covid-19_html/covid-19_html.html[/URL]

or

https://www.bing.com/search?q=daily+covid+cases+in+sao+paulo&cvid=94f03981233f4017921b0b001d995d69&pglt=171&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

or

https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/saude/noticia/2020-10/covid-19-brazil-has-749-deaths-27200-new-cases-24-hours[/QUOTE]Except for the weekends where there is under reporting, weekdays averaging 5000 cases.

So yesterday it turns out I didn't get to see Olivia as planned (would be our 5th meeting) as she had Nov. 20 not Oct. 20 in mind so wasn't in SP. No big deal, looking trough our email and whatsapp conversations I hadn't actually, at any point, specified the month. Duh. Anyways, she sent me a bunch of new photos she's had done and some selfies meantime including the photos she took of her ass and tits covered in my cum from our last meetings. See her again in a few weeks, we have a threesome planned with a skinny friend of hers who also posts on Clubmodel at times and does a lot of fetish stuff. Report to come next month.

So, I did meet someone else I'd been planning on meeting, we'd chatted a few times but couldn't work out a date til now.

Advertises on SPlove (though not at the moment) under Ella Biakow or something similar.

Medium height, slim with nice big heavy full tits which are about a handful of years away from being saggy but at the moment are fucking splendid. A little bit of stretch marks in the middle in the wrong light but meh, awesome. Tight body, no fat on her and a lovely tasty tight tight tight pussy.

Gorgeous red hair and angular slim face. Half Russian half some other stuff. Slightly mad.

We arranged to meet at 1900 at my hotel, don't be late says I. Don't worry, I won't says she. During the day she sent me various selfies. Hot. Am horny.

Asks me if I want to have some wine with her. Sure, I'll get some. Nice Malbec will do. Love this part of the world, good wine is cheap as is good ass and good pussy.

So in the end she spends almost 4 hours with me, alternatively talking, sucking my cock, fucking, showering, sucking my cock some more, sucking my cock whilst drinking wine. Drinking wine whilst I eat her delicious pussy, Drinking wine whilst she jerks me off on her tits, talking about life and shit whilst drinking wine and sucking my cock, Spilling wine on the bed whilst I fuck her from behind whilst cupping her ample tits in my not so ample hands. Generally just a chilled out fuck a thon. She is definitely a GFE. Maybe I was lucky and connected with her, I dunno. She understands spanish but doesn't speak it (I am fluent) and understands a little english. Otherwise its Russian or German. She did spend a lot of time talking about her ex. HM. Doubt she sees me as a replacement, I was pretty clear on that front. But women are mad.

I was fucking exhausted to be fair. In the end I was almost falling asleep and she wanted to order some food, it was 1130 pm. I felt really bad but had to sleep and she said that's ok I'll take an Uber home and eat there, its too expensive here anyway. 2 minutes after she left I was asleep, probably in a puddle of jizz and sweat with a rubber stuck to my face. SNAFU. Kinda like being back in Bangkok.

Woke up this morning to a whatsapp sent 20 minutes later of her legs in the hotel bar with a couple of beers asking if I wanted one.

Now, the cost. We had arranged 90 minutes with a few extras I like to do which most girls don't dig including me filming the whole thing for science. So we agreed 200 dollars. Yeah, its a lot in Brazil but that's what happens if you want to make homemade porno with your Gopro with hot chicks and piss all over them as and when you feel like it. It would've been half the price otherwise if memory serves. There were a few moments where I worried that at the end of the 4 hours or so she was going to hit me with a 600 buck request and I would have to toss her cum covered naked dripping ass out into the hallway, but genuinely I didn't think it was going to be an issue and it wasn't.

Did I have a good time? Hell yeah, honestly, better than many girlfriends I've had. She's not a filthy adventurous **** in the sheets like some (she's not going to stick a couple of fingers up your ass whilst crying as she gags on your cock and regrets not paying attention at school like some) but she has in my opinion an amazing body and is utterly fucking gorgeous, and the way she looks you in the eye with those huge pupils while you fuck her and she bites her bottom lip and grinds the clit into you. Mmm. If I was 20 years younger and a lot stupider would I think I was in love, probably. But I'm not.

I will repeat. Maybe tonight but not sure yet, I'm pretty beat because I slept really badly and had a busy morning, oh and just spent an hour enjoying the tight 22 year old [URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/vivian-ortiz[/URL].

She has a jailbait body (honestly she's got a better body than my neighbour's volleyball playing 17 year old daughter who sunbathes topless) and tiny little cute tasty titties, a proper cameltoe pussy that gets so wet and creamy, my cock and belly were covered in her juice in the end. Pretty face but spoilt by late teen acne / spots fairly well concealed with makeup. You don't need to look at the mantelpiece when you are stoking the fire. Mediocre / crap BJ as many young new girls do, but a good enthusiastic fuck and claimed she came a few times. Faked it well if she didn't, and left me soaked in her juice. Tight ass. Slight stretch marks on the butt / thighs but nothing major. Cute tattoos. Speaks excellent english, understood my weird accent with no trouble.

Wasn't down with me pissing all over her but I can forgive that since I got another nice home movie and left her itt bitty succulent teenager like titties and face looking like someone had done a bad job of plastering the walls. Can I cum on your tits I said? Of course, she says, pushing them together. Hur Hur Hur thinks I, you're getting it in the face. SPLAT. Cue lots of Lols. From me, but she took it in good spirits as an accident.

500 MG Zinc tablets, L argnine 3000, L carnitine 3000 and Maca Root pills (all available on amazon and take double the dose. Triple for the maca) and some mild gym time doing cardio daily (gym time makes about half the difference if you are middle aged like me) have given me Peter North like redecorating abilities where previously I had a decent load but it kinda oozed out, even having spent years doing PC exercises. If everything else I write isn't to your liking, take that as a free tip and go forth and shoot porno godlike loads all over hot girls. Just be careful, a few weeks ago I was getting finished off by hand and managed to cum on my own face Ladyboy porn style. Not cool. Doesn't actually taste so bad though, I've eaten worse meals on aircraft, but it stings the eyes.

Love that story. Thanks for sharing. We need more fun slingin action on the forum so thanks for carrying "the load"! LOL. Seriously good stuff. Keep it coming.

Hahaha! I enjoyed that story Muppets. I, too, am into trying to record the girl I'm fucking for a few hours. Last time I got away with a three some on video and the second girl kept fingering my asshole like it was a vagina. I kept taking her hand and throwing it away but she kept insisting until I literally had to turn around and tell her no! Those long sessions are always the best, especially when they aren't watching the clock.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2495081]So yesterday it turns out I didn't get to see Olivia as planned (would be our 5th meeting) as she had Nov. 20 not Oct. 20 in mind so wasn't in SP. No big deal, looking trough our email and whatsapp conversations I hadn't actually, at any point, specified the month. Duh. Anyways, she sent me a bunch of new photos she's had done and some selfies meantime including the photos she took of her ass and tits covered in my cum from our last meetings. See her again in a few weeks, we have a threesome planned with a skinny friend of hers who also posts on Clubmodel at times and does a lot of fetish stuff. Report to come next month.

So, I did meet someone else I'd been planning on meeting, we'd chatted a few times but couldn't work out a date til now.

Advertises on SPlove (though not at the moment) under Ella Biakow or something similar.

Medium height, slim with nice big heavy full tits which are about a handful of years away from being saggy but at the moment are fucking splendid. A little bit of stretch marks in the middle in the wrong light but meh, awesome. Tight body, no fat on her and a lovely tasty tight tight tight pussy..[/QUOTE]Hey Muppets,

Your stories are classic and will definitely put into effect when I get there. Highly recommend to add the luxury girls like Nicoli blanco, Dani Prado, Pati Feraz, Dani Bueno, Isabella Salgado, Ana Laura gauche, Melzhina Gaucha and a few more on your list. Lorrane Ruiva was the by far the best last year, teenage redhead with the best natural tits in all three over Brazil. She is a bit under the radar but you might get a response. Some of them girls typically charge a bit more but look them up on twitter and you'll see the quality relative the other girls on splove. Private55 is also descent. I've found Royal Rio with presidential suites costing cheaper than ever. For my taste, PA has the best girls and many are traveling to SP with a bunch available.

Booked some awesome Airbnb close to most boates and clinica. I knew a fellow monger who uses amazon echo in his suite and told me it was actually pretty fun.

[QUOTE=Muppets;2494509]Thanks Bro,

Appreciate it, I will avoid in future. Luckily my last visit a couple of weeks ago coincided with Olivia Diaz being back in town and I spent a pleasant two days inside her and enjoying that fabulous body. Which strangely enough is my plan for tomorrow when I arrive too.

I also tried a certain Naomi Hills from Clubmodel I think it was. Tall, slim kinda almost asian look to her. She was fun but I was tired and she was a bit mechanical at times, not sure I would repeat. She let me do some weird shit to her though so that was cool.

I have another few visits lined up where I'll see Olivia again but I also have a couple of others lined up to try.[/QUOTE]Naomi Hills was lame?? Sucks to hear want to give her a test drive, had a brief interaction with her a Twitter. Like your style bro I see you go for the top GDP. Can't wait to get to SP hope I have good timing I see they move often. I want a piece of that Isabela Salgado.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2492335]The best days for Connection are Wednesday and Thursday, the place will be packed till 4 am. Sat-Tue it's dead and not worth going. Scandallo always has a decent crowd.[/QUOTE]A little update from me. I went to Connection and the place was packed. Around 50 ish girls and most if not all the seats were occupied. Great selection of girls. Ended up picking a girl that said it was her first day working (yeah I'll see about that) but she was smoking hot. Great cute face, silicone tits (not a big fan but tits are tits), and she was bubbly to boot. Elevator isn't operational so you got to walk to the rooms next door. Did our session and everything felt normal in the club. There was even an orgy down the hall. They must have had at least 5 girls in there. I just happened to be walking down when they ordered a bottle and I peaked inside to see what all the noise was about. Club felt normal, had a live band and restaurant side was open.

I'll be going to my current favorite daytime spot (Abbobora) and will then go to Connection tonight. Will be at Scandallo tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2495441]A little update from me. I went to Connection and the place was packed. Around 50 ish girls and most if not all the seats were occupied. Great selection of girls.[/QUOTE]That's great news. I'm glad to hear it went well. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!

Have a good trip man.

[QUOTE=Mcd2293;2495441]A little update from me. I went to Connection and the place was packed. Around 50 ish girls and most if not all the seats were occupied. Great selection of girls. Ended up picking a girl that said it was her first day working (yeah I'll see about that) but she was smoking hot. Great cute face, silicone tits (not a big fan but tits are tits), and she was bubbly to boot. Elevator isn't operational so you got to walk to the rooms next door. Did our session and everything felt normal in the club. There was even an orgy down the hall. They must have had at least 5 girls in there. I just happened to be walking down when they ordered a bottle and I peaked inside to see what all the noise was about. Club felt normal, had a live band and restaurant side was open.[/QUOTE]Does anybody know if Connection still has the first Friday of the month party? I read back about 100 pages or so that on the first Friday it's 400 reals including cover charge, room and one hour with any girl in the house. Asking for November 6th.

OK to clarify re Naomi, she had her moments and was fun at times. She wanted to take a video for herself of her peeing on my cock, for example, and she took mine in her mouth until it actually came out of her nose as she choked and spat out about a litre and a half, so yeah, dirty ***** at times, but as for the sex. Well. No connection at all. Maybe that was just the chemistry between her and I, you know, and well, I got some cool shit on video to fap to in future, but I won't repeat largely because the actual fucking was boring as shit. Ymmv.

Thanks for the positive comments guys, this shit is supposed to be fun so I do try to be frank and interesting.

I'll write more on 2 or 3 Nov after I try this friend of Olivia's and we get our threesome done.

I will definitely lookup some of those other recommendations if I can but it looks like after November I'll be shifting my gratuitous degrading of highly attractive women to Barra de Tijuca in areío. The girl I'm seeing on 2 Nov recommended by Olivia visits there at times so I have an in, as I have no clue what sites to use there. Riosexsite site turns up but I dunno looks like a popup ad. Haven't been there in so long.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2495434]Naomi Hills was lame?? Sucks to hear want to give her a test drive, had a brief interaction with her a Twitter. Like your style bro I see you go for the top GDP. Can't wait to get to SP hope I have good timing I see they move often. I want a piece of that Isabela Salgado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muppets;2495597]OK to clarify re Naomi, she had her moments and was fun at times. She wanted to take a video for herself of her peeing on my cock, for example, and she took mine in her mouth until it actually came out of her nose as she choked and spat out about a litre and a half, so yeah, dirty ***** at times, but as for the sex. Well. No connection at all. Maybe that was just the chemistry between her and I, you know, and well, I got some cool shit on video to fap to in future, but I won't repeat largely because the actual fucking was boring as shit. Ymmv.

Thanks for the positive comments guys, this shit is supposed to be fun so I do try to be frank and interesting.

I'll write more on 2 or 3 Nov after I try this friend of Olivia's and we get our threesome done.

I will definitely lookup some of those other recommendations if I can but it looks like after November I'll be shifting my gratuitous degrading of highly attractive women to Barra de Tijuca in areo. The girl I'm seeing on 2 Nov recommended by Olivia visits there at times so I have an in, as I have no clue what sites to use there. Riosexsite site turns up but I dunno looks like a popup ad. Haven't been there in so long.[/QUOTE]If I'm not mistaken the fellas in the Rio forum say Riosexsite and hotside are legit. I been reading both forum bcuz I'll be in sp and Rio in November so been learning about both cities. Keep it up Muppett you are right this shit supposed to be fun and sound like you having a blast my guy.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2495611]If I'm not mistaken the fellas in the Rio forum say Riosexsite and hotside are legit. I been reading both forum bcuz I'll be in SP and Rio in November so been learning about both cities. Keep it up Muppett you are right this shit supposed to be fun and sound like you having a blast my guy.[/QUOTE]Rio Sex Site is totally legit. I've used it, and would not hesitate to do so again. Fucked a cute redhead from there who spoke fluent English. Then met with porn star Elisa Sanches twice, who speaks fluent Spanish.

My experience is very different from most of you. Since this pandemic, the girls has been jacking price up to obscene greedy amount. Especially those from websites like clubmodel etc. The girl I use to meet for 1500 for 1 day wants 3k reais for 1 day when I asked, and also many other instances. Also they had no indication that I was foreign as I was using a Brazilian phone for whatsapp, and a friend of mine is fluent in portuguese. 1 other girl I asked wants 5k for 1 day. Crazy. In connection club, got one for 1200 who said will stay for as long as I want her there. I thought of going to a nice motel, but decided against it and stayed in my hotel. One hour later told me she needs to go home with excuses of the doorman and people in her apartment seeing her. Tried to trick me as I was not fluent in portuguese, but was firm and told her what was promised should be kept. Finally stayed till the next morning.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2496038]My experience is very different from most of you. Since this pandemic, the girls has been jacking price up to obscene greedy amount. Especially those from websites like clubmodel etc. The girl I use to meet for 1500 for 1 day wants 3k reais for 1 day when I asked, and also many other instances. Also they had no indication that I was foreign as I was using a Brazilian phone for whatsapp, and a friend of mine is fluent in portuguese. 1 other girl I asked wants 5k for 1 day. Crazy. In connection club, got one for 1200 who said will stay for as long as I want her there. I thought of going to a nice motel, but decided against it and stayed in my hotel. One hour later told me she needs to go home with excuses of the doorman and people in her apartment seeing her. Tried to trick me as I was not fluent in portuguese, but was firm and told her what was promised should be kept. Finally stayed till the next morning.[/QUOTE]I live in Sao Paulo, was throwing a birthday party in August. My mistake was planning it with this Iranian guy I used to work with here 4 years. He contacted 2 girls on [URL]Photoaccomphantes.com[/URL]. When they showed up I immediately got a bad vibe. They weren't the same girls from the website.

Also they wanted Brl $2.5K for the night, each. When we had agreed on Brl $750 each for 6 hours on Whatsapp. Told them both to get the fuck out of my apartment before I called the police. Then the bitches had the audacity to ask me to pay for their Uber. Later I realised one of the girls had stolen my backup old iPhone and some cash I had in a dish on the counter. I used my Find my IPhone app to locate the phone. It's somewhere in Baurei. I disabled it, it was an iPhone 5 with only one more update.

Get this the Iranian dude acts like he had nothing to do with it. He lives a few blocks from me, I haven't answered his calls or returned his emails since. Talk about a lying, gaslighting, backstabbing SOB! SMDH!

Another girl who was a regular of mine from Blue Night Show. We'd go to Savoy, order some pizza, drink a couple bottles of vino and spend the evening for Brl $500/ night. After the pandemic hit she would quote me Brl $1000 for the same time. And Brl $2000 to stop by my place when in the past she only wanted Brl $500. Found out her boyfriend (the manager at Blue Night Show) was telling her to do it.

Also found out she's pregnant by him. Now I'm just waiting for her to say the kid is mine!

Moral of the story: Be careful who you hang out with and who you let into your house!

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2496278]I live in Sao Paulo, was throwing a birthday party in August. My mistake was planning it with this Iranian guy I used to work with here 4 years. He contacted 2 girls on [URL]Photoaccomphantes.com[/URL]. When they showed up I immediately got a bad vibe. They weren't the same girls from the website.

Also they wanted Brl $2.5K for the night, each. When we had agreed on Brl $750 each for 6 hours on Whatsapp. Told them both to get the fuck out of my apartment before I called the police. Then the bitches had the audacity to ask me to pay for their Uber. Later I realised one of the girls had stolen my backup old iPhone and some cash I had in a dish on the counter. I used my Find my IPhone app to locate the phone. It's somewhere in Baurei. I disabled it, it was an iPhone 5 with only one more update.

Get this the Iranian dude acts like he had nothing to do with it. He lives a few blocks from me, I haven't answered his calls or returned his emails since. Talk about a lying, gaslighting, backstabbing SOB! SMDH!

Another girl who was a regular of mine from Blue Night Show. We'd go to Savoy, order some pizza, drink a couple bottles of vino and spend the evening for Brl $500/ night. After the pandemic hit she would quote me Brl $1000 for the same time. And Brl $2000 to stop by my place when in the past she only wanted Brl $500. Found out her boyfriend (the manager at Blue Night Show) was telling her to do it.

Also found out she's pregnant by him. Now I'm just waiting for her to say the kid is mine!

Moral of the story: Be careful who you hang out with and who you let into your house![/QUOTE]I had actually recently talked to Rovnak about how to approach the escort game recently. He had mentioned that Photo as of late has been taking a turn for the worst. I had also read his escort vetting guide that has some guidelines on how to screen escorts off of Photo (to the best of our ability that is).

1. Filter escorts to those that have verified reviews.

2. Pro Instagram style photos are usually a bait and switch sign. Amateur unbrushed up pics are a better sign save for the very high end escorts that can be verified via their twitters.

3. Verify authenticity via Twitter if they have one or GP.

4. Always ask for face verification. Video call would be best, but maybe having the escort put up a sign of some sort visible within the same frame as her face could be alright.

5. Some posts are just too good to be true. If she's a 9/10 - 10/10 she's probably not going for that posted 200 BRreals.

Apologies to Rovnak if I butchered his guide, but they seem like very solid guidelines. I will be testing them out during my trip at the start of next year because I will be extensively seeing escorts.

Any suggestion on Boete for Monday or Tuesday nights?

In town until next week so PM if anyone interested for a beer.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2496595]Any suggestion on Boete for Monday or Tuesday nights?

In town until next week so PM if anyone interested for a beer.[/QUOTE]It's not looking good here man! 65% of restaurants, bars, nightlife are closed and what's open closes early like 10 pm.

Hey all,

Going down in Dec and have a ton of questions. LOL. What are the best chicha\guest friendly hotels in Jardin's sao paolo area? Would I be able to have a few girls or shemales visit throughout the day? Also I googled "acompanahantes sao paolo" and got a ton of results (p. A. \skokka\model etc) with prices in 150-300 BR. Are these prices the usual and which ones are best legit for trans and reg girls? Going down with some people who like to club, anyone know if the party scene is a bust in Sao Paulo right now cause of covid? ABG or other pros, if you could share some info on the best safe brothels for day action and typical prices would be much appreciated. First time going. Don't want to f**k up the market and over pay like a noob. Stay safe pplz.

[QUOTE=Mongerdude247;2497111]Hey all,
Going down in Dec and have a ton of questions. LOL. What are the best chicha\guest friendly hotels in Jardin's sao paolo area? Would I be able to have a few girls or shemales visit throughout the day?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mongerdude247;2497111]Hey all,

Going down in Dec and have a ton of questions. LOL. What are the best chicha\guest friendly hotels in Jardin's sao paolo area? Would I be able to have a few girls or shemales visit throughout the day? Also I googled "acompanahantes sao paolo" and got a ton of results (p. A. \skokka\model etc) with prices in 150-300 BR. Are these prices the usual and which ones are best legit for trans and reg girls? Going down with some people who like to club, anyone know if the party scene is a bust in Sao Paulo right now cause of covid? ABG or other pros, if you could share some info on the best safe brothels for day action and typical prices would be much appreciated. First time going. Don't want to f**k up the market and over pay like a noob. Stay safe pplz.[/QUOTE]ABG passed away which you would know if you had bothered to read the forum.

Suggest this is just another reincarnation of the the loser who likes to stir things up.

These are the kind of first time posts that should be ignored.

[QUOTE=Kcrl01;2496278]I live in Sao Paulo, was throwing a birthday party in August. My mistake was planning it with this Iranian guy I used to work with here 4 years. He contacted 2 girls on [URL]Photoaccomphantes.com[/URL]. When they showed up I immediately got a bad vibe. They weren't the same girls from the website.

Also they wanted Brl $2.5K for the night, each. When we had agreed on Brl $750 each for 6 hours on Whatsapp. Told them both to get the fuck out of my apartment before I called the police. Then the bitches had the audacity to ask me to pay for their Uber. Later I realised one of the girls had stolen my backup old iPhone and some cash I had in a dish on the counter. I used my Find my IPhone app to locate the phone. It's somewhere in Baurei. I disabled it, it was an iPhone 5 with only one more update.

Get this the Iranian dude acts like he had nothing to do with it. He lives a few blocks from me, I haven't answered his calls or returned his emails since. Talk about a lying, gaslighting, backstabbing SOB! SMDH!

Another girl who was a regular of mine from Blue Night Show. We'd go to Savoy, order some pizza, drink a couple bottles of vino and spend the evening for Brl $500/ night. After the pandemic hit she would quote me Brl $1000 for the same time. And Brl $2000 to stop by my place when in the past she only wanted Brl $500. Found out her boyfriend (the manager at Blue Night Show) was telling her to do it.[/QUOTE]Thing is, I have been with this girl twice and she stayed with me full days at the same price. Only when covid happens this changes. Also tried asking this girl Juli Moraeis or Pamela from barravip who use to be in SP now in Rio how much to come to me. My luck the pretty ones are always not in the same city as me when I want to meet them. She wanted 6 k for 1 whole day. LOL. Ridiculous. I'm afraid prices are going to be jacked up sky high with all this new people finding out about the gems of Brazil. Its already happening with people tipping GP when there is no need to. Pretty soon, this will be very unaffordable. Those tippers need to learn to stop tipping.

Since the passing of AltoBomGosto in January, has anyone stepped up to offer wingman service?

First time in Brazil for ten days with round trip to / from São Paulo. As suggested by others, I'm thinking of splitting time between Rio and São Paulo. I land at GRU at 8:30 am and am looking at options to pop my Brazil cherry in São Paulo before heading to Rio through CGH that same day. If I get flight out of CGH at 4 pm, what recommendations do others have to allow me have some daytime fun. I'll have my luggage with me so need to factor that in. Thanks in advance for suggestions. If I can assist with Colombia or Thailand info in return, just ask via PM.

[QUOTE=Gato1;2498213]First time in Brazil for ten days with round trip to / from So Paulo. As suggested by others, I'm thinking of splitting time between Rio and So Paulo. I land at GRU at 8:30 am and am looking at options to pop my Brazil cherry in So Paulo before heading to Rio through CGH that same day. If I get flight out of CGH at 4 pm, what recommendations do others have to allow me have some daytime fun. I'll have my luggage with me so need to factor that in. Thanks in advance for suggestions. If I can assist with Colombia or Thailand info in return, just ask via PM.[/QUOTE]If you arrive GRU at 8:30 AM and take a taxi you should be in Moema by 10 AM, when many of the clinicas open, and you will have to leave for CGH by 2:30 PM, so that will give you max 4. 5 hours in Sao Paulo, which is hardly splitting your time between Sao Paulo and Rio. However, there a number of clinicas in Moema (Enjoy, Miruna, Moema Prime, Red Massagem, Abbobora) as well as Brooklin (Brooklin. Morumbi, Cancionero, and Kin) that you can Uber to, although the lineups might be sparse that early.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2498248]If you arrive GRU at 8:30 AM and take a taxi you should be in Moema by 10 AM, when many of the clinicas open, and you will have to leave for CGH by 2:30 PM, so that will give you max 4. 5 hours in Sao Paulo, which is hardly splitting your time between Sao Paulo and Rio. However, there a number of clinicas in Moema (Enjoy, Miruna, Moema Prime, Red Massagem, Abbobora) as well as Brooklin (Brooklin. Morumbi, Cancionero, and Kin) that you can Uber to, although the lineups might be sparse that early.[/QUOTE]Tbh CGH is about 15 minutes tops from the clinicas area in Moema, and especially on a weekend. The airport is very fast and efficient, so if he has no bags to check, he can show up 45 minutes before the flight and have plenty of time for pao de queso and coffee. If he does have bags to check though that's a different story. I don't think anything in Moema will be open at 10 though. Generally even when they say they open at 11, the girls don't start showing up until 12-1. Only Tangara would be open at 10.

A better idea would be to at least overnight in Sao Paulo and go to Rio next evening.

I was in Sao paulo from 10/13 -10/26 and had an amazing time. One of the concierge guys at Scandallo dubbed me the gentleman for how I would usher te girls I was not interested in away LOL. I went to Scandalol twice. Both visits there and two girls who I met at Abobborra who later visited me at my hotel were the highlight of my trip. Everything about the setup in Scandallo was really impressive. I've never been to an establishment like that before so the first visit was exciting as hell. I even joked around with the security guards a bit they were so cool. I think the first timer look on me was the key. The ladies, security, room cleaning staff guys to me all seem to be a team. I did a thressome at Scandallo and the guys who clean / monitor the rooms clapped as we walked in. Funny stuff. They def make you want to come back. Definitely an experience I will never forget.

The threesome itself was good and had some funny moments. As a tandem they definitely had a routine. MILF and 26 yr old combination. I do not remeber the name of the MILF but the other girl I really liked was Cintia. I was sitting at the bar and they both approached me with their song and dance. I just cut to the chase and asked how much for both. We get to the room, shower together and the games begin round 1 finishing with sex with cintia. I shower for round two with the MILF (whose name I forget). God bless her for trying but she couldn't fit me and she was trying so hard I was laughing too much to even finish with her. It wasn't a big deal but she was embarrassed. I dunno it was fun for me. Cintia hopped on top and fucked my brains out again before we wrapped up. My 2nd visit I actually went to the room again with Cintia, went to the gardenarea and met another girl from Minas Gerais I just had to have and left with another girl named Talita.

I chatted up Octavio who was one of the concierge guys there. Awesome fellow. He practiced his english with me and vice versa. I saw him talking with Talita and I went over and I flat out asked her how much for her to leave with me right now. It was about 4 am. 15 minutes later I'm in the passenger side of her car on the way to my hotel. A little ball of energy this girl was. Full of tats but to be honest you could tell in 1 sec she would be an awesome time. We get to my hotel she showers, we get to business. I order room service and we go again. I have a bit of work to do so she goes to sleep. She wakes up, we shower go again and she leaves. Very funny girl, a wild cat in the bed and just a good time all around. My first visit to Sao Paulo in 2019 I didn't do the Scandallo visit but I'm glad I did this time. Definitely a treat yourself experience.

I also reconnected with some of the high end escorts I met last year. Rebecca Caetano, Yasmine Piovane were awesome as usual. Rebecca Mendoza Aguillar is an escort I found on twitter. It was so amazing with her I saw her twice. From Rebecca's twitter she seems very reserved and she definitely begins by taking control of the session with her massage routine but once I started returning the favor, good lord have mercy. Best sex I've ever had and the second visit was even better. I had a hit list from twitter and I saw them all. Ill elaborate on those with my next post.

In regards to the Clinicas Abobbora did not disappoint. (my favorite) Clinica red and Miruna did not disappoint either.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2498292]Tbh CGH is about 15 minutes tops from the clinicas area in Moema, and especially on a weekend. The airport is very fast and efficient, so if he has no bags to check, he can show up 45 minutes before the flight and have plenty of time for pao de queso and coffee. If he does have bags to check though that's a different story. I don't think anything in Moema will be open at 10 though. Generally even when they say they open at 11, the girls don't start showing up until 12-1. Only Tangara would be open at 10.

A better idea would be to at least overnight in Sao Paulo and go to Rio next evening.[/QUOTE]If he arrives on a weekday, these are the hours these clinicas are supposedly open (could not find opening hours for Miruna and Cancionero):

Brooklin 11 AM.

Kin 10 AM.

Abbobora 12 PM.

Morumbi 10 AM.

Enjoy 10 AM.

Moema Prime 10 AM.

Red 11 AM.

As noted, the lineups will be sparse at opening. If he comes on a weekend, he's fucked, since they open later.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2498293]I was in Sao paulo from 10/13 -10/26 and had an amazing time. One of the concierge guys at Scandallo dubbed me the gentleman for how I would usher te girls I was not interested in away LOL. I went to Scandalol twice. Both visits there and two girls who I met at Abobborra who later visited me at my hotel were the highlight of my trip. Everything about the setup in Scandallo was really impressive. I've never been to an establishment like that before so the first visit was exciting as hell. I even joked around with the security guards a bit they were so cool. I think the first timer look on me was the key. The ladies, security, room cleaning staff guys to me all seem to be a team. I did a thressome at Scandallo and the guys who clean / monitor the rooms clapped as we walked in. Funny stuff. They def make you want to come back. Definitely an experience I will never forget.

The threesome itself was good and had some funny moments. As a tandem they definitely had a routine. MILF and 26 yr old combination. I do not remeber the name of the MILF but the other girl I really liked was Cintia. I was sitting at the bar and they both approached me with their song and dance. I just cut to the chase and asked how much for both. We get to the room, shower together and the games begin round 1 finishing with sex with cintia. I shower for round two with the MILF (whose name I forget). God bless her for trying but she couldn't fit me and she was trying so hard I was laughing too much to even finish with her. It wasn't a big deal but she was embarrassed. I dunno it was fun for me. Cintia hopped on top and fucked my brains out again before we wrapped up. My 2nd visit I actually went to the room again with Cintia, went to the gardenarea and met another girl from Minas Gerais I just had to have and left with another girl named Talita.

I chatted up Octavio who was one of the concierge guys there. Awesome fellow. He practiced his english with me and vice versa. I saw him talking with Talita and I went over and I flat out asked her how much for her to leave with me right now. It was about 4 am. 15 minutes later I'm in the passenger side of her car on the way to my hotel. A little ball of energy this girl was. Full of tats but to be honest you could tell in 1 sec she would be an awesome time. We get to my hotel she showers, we get to business. I order room service and we go again. I have a bit of work to do so she goes to sleep. She wakes up, we shower go again and she leaves. Very funny girl, a wild cat in the bed and just a good time all around. My first visit to Sao Paulo in 2019 I didn't do the Scandallo visit but I'm glad I did this time. Definitely a treat yourself experience.

I also reconnected with some of the high end escorts I met last year. Rebecca Caetano, Yasmine Piovane were awesome as usual. Rebecca Mendoza Aguillar is an escort I found on twitter. It was so amazing with her I saw her twice. From Rebecca's twitter she seems very reserved and she definitely begins by taking control of the session with her massage routine but once I started returning the favor, good lord have mercy. Best sex I've ever had and the second visit was even better. I had a hit list from twitter and I saw them all. Ill elaborate on those with my next post.

In regards to the Clinicas Abobbora did not disappoint. (my favorite) Clinica red and Miruna did not disappoint either.[/QUOTE]Good to read that action in Brazil is about back to normal. Probably the first in the world. So sad I cannot be there yet.

[QUOTE=OGC81;2498293]I was in Sao paulo from 10/13 -10/26 and had an amazing time..[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing!

How's the city doing in general? Restaurants, stores, the general vibe?

Kcrl01: Your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2498441]Thank you for sharing!

How's the city doing in general? Restaurants, stores, the general vibe?[/QUOTE]Like covid doesn't exist, people are out and about with crowded places. Restaurants have to close at 10 pm. Outdoor bars / kiosks stay open. Malls closes early.

Some parts on Brazil may have herd immunity now the new number of cases have gone down but getting reinfection is still possible.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2498304]If he comes on a weekend, he's fucked....[/QUOTE]Or not!! He he!

Gents,

Thanks for posting the recent reports and news on new places opening up. This thread is great.

Have prices changed much over the last couple of years with the BRL taking a nose dive? I was there two years ago and was paying between 200 to 350 depending on the session for hookers in clubs or back at the hotel. I frequented Casarao, and one brothel where it was about 150 BRL for an hour. Are those prices about right? I noticed in a recent post Cafe Photo charges twice that.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2498551]Gents,

Thanks for posting the recent reports and news on new places opening up. This thread is great.

Have prices changed much over the last couple of years with the BRL taking a nose dive? I was there two years ago and was paying between 200 to 350 depending on the session for hookers in clubs or back at the hotel. I frequented Casarao, and one brothel where it was about 150 BRL for an hour. Are those prices about right? I noticed in a recent post Cafe Photo charges twice that.[/QUOTE]Cafe Photo is still closed, reopening at a new location. High end places the going price is about 500-800 R per HR depending on the girl.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2498551]Gents,

Thanks for posting the recent reports and news on new places opening up. This thread is great.

Have prices changed much over the last couple of years with the BRL taking a nose dive? I was there two years ago and was paying between 200 to 350 depending on the session for hookers in clubs or back at the hotel. I frequented Casarao, and one brothel where it was about 150 BRL for an hour. Are those prices about right? I noticed in a recent post Cafe Photo charges twice that.[/QUOTE]I'm in SP now.

My favorite girls are the sweeties I meet at the cheap venues around town.

To them 300 reais is a lot!

And they can be so sweet.

I'm a VM type guy in Rio, and though I hit the Termas, mostly because friends want to go, I find the best girls for me anyway, at the less fancy places. Just my style.

I hit Scandallo on Saturday night out of curiosity, and because Casarao is closed, lol.
I’d been there a couple times before.

300 reais to get in, I arrived at about 9 pm. 150 consumable.

I know guys rave about the place, to me though, it's just a fancy place with mostly regular looking girls, wanting to charge way too much, LOL.

Since I was there, I decided to partake.

I chose my favorite one there. She asked for 800, I told her I've got 500, she said ok.

Plus the room was like 220 or so.

She was cute, ok, a bit mechanical for me, and not worth the 1000 real plus, including the entrance.

I'll admit the place itself is nice, fancy, upscale.

I know some guys dig that. Just not me.

Yesterday, Sunday, I had over my little morena I met in Centro.

Stayed all day, great sex, sweet, fun, great chemistry.

I gave her 400 reais and she squealed happy.

Today I'm heading downtown again, do some exploring for new girls.

I'll walk up Augusta in the evening and see what's happening there.

I met an Uber guy leaving Scandallo the other night.

Said he knew some cool night clubs with GDP fun, with much easier pricing than Scandallo, and I may let him show me around.

Play it by ear, depends on how the day goes.

I can call him another night if needed.

Always good to explore.

Bad exchange rate on the euro at money-changers. The best I could get was 6. 25 at the money-gram exchange at av. Paulista 807 (shop 35). Most changers will give appalling rates, as low as 5. 2, on bigger denominations (200- and 500-euro banknotes). This is the opposite to Thailand, where big denominations were favoured. Interbank rate is 1 euro = 6.7 R.

Sagami 00.2 condoms are sold under the brand Preserv Premium at Drogarai pharmacies. DHEA and Minoxidil to be had online only without prescription.

Doubletree Hilton Itaim was girlfriendly. So was Etoile Hotel Itaim (rua Pedroso Alvarenga).

I had 4 good, albeit expensive visits at Scandallo. Visit number 5 was on Friday and I left at once, the place was full of dudes, at least 8 dudes to a girl. The food at Scandallo was abysmal. Girls at Scandallo asked between 800 and 1000 and could be talked down to 600 or 500. Add a cover charge of 150 before 7 pm and 230 for the room. Expensive.

Girls in most clinicas were few and average. Exceptions were Miruna, Abbobora and Prime where some girls were as good as Scandallo's. One hour 180 R at Prime, similar pricing in all clinicas. Cheap. GP Brazilian website unreliable as to reviewing of clinicas, at least as far as girl quality was concerned.

All the same, SP a better place to be than 99% of places on this Earth right now. May apply for an extension of stay with the policia federal in early December given the mess back home.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2498855]I'm in SP now.

My favorite girls are the sweeties I meet at the cheap venues around town.
[/QUOTE]Thank you for the wonderful report.

Glad you're having a good time. How's the vibe in general?

Also, how exactly do you meet the sweeties at the cheap venues?

I'm planning another trip hopefully some time soon, and I haven't had an overnighter yet. And it's nice to wake up next to a warm, soft girl.

[QUOTE=XXL;2498860]Bad exchange rate on the euro at money-changers. The best I could get was 6. 25 at the money-gram exchange at av. Paulista 807 (shop 35). Most changers will give appalling rates, as low as 5. 2, on bigger denominations (200- and 500-euro banknotes). This is the opposite to Thailand, where big denominations were favoured. Interbank rate is 1 euro = 6.7 R.
[/QUOTE]How is the rate at airport arrivals? Just as bad?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2498917]How is the rate at airport arrivals? Just as bad?[/QUOTE]They gave just under 6 for one 100-euro note, something like 5. 8.

Only good news, a fellow ISG member I met in SP told me he could make 2500 R withdrawals on his credit card at Bradesco. I haven't put this to the test yet.

[QUOTE=XXL;2498926]They gave just under 6 for one 100-euro note, something like 5. 8.

Only good news, a fellow ISG member I met in SP told me he could make 2500 R withdrawals on his credit card at Bradesco. I haven't put this to the test yet.[/QUOTE]This is accurate. The Bradesco bank I used had a machine that gave a withdrawal limit of 2500.

[QUOTE=XXL;2498926]They gave just under 6 for one 100-euro note, something like 5. 8.

Only good news, a fellow ISG member I met in SP told me he could make 2500 R withdrawals on his credit card at Bradesco. I haven't put this to the test yet.[/QUOTE]I know we all want our best deal but a year ago it was 4:1. Let's count our blessings guys. It's amazing to get Brasileiras at this price. No better deal on the planet.

[QUOTE=XXL;2498926]They gave just under 6 for one 100-euro note, something like 5. 8.

Only good news, a fellow ISG member I met in SP told me he could make 2500 R withdrawals on his credit card at Bradesco. I haven't put this to the test yet.[/QUOTE]Not with credit card, with ATM / Debit card.

[QUOTE=XXL;2498926]They gave just under 6 for one 100-euro note, something like 5. 8.

Only good news, a fellow ISG member I met in SP told me he could make 2500 R withdrawals on his credit card at Bradesco. I haven't put this to the test yet.[/QUOTE]Don't exchange USD / EUR in Sao Paulo. The cambios charge around 7-10% commission. Best is to use CC. At Bradesco you can withdraw up to 2500 BRL. Rate depends on your credit card / bank. I get the official visa rate with no commission. Various daily withdrawals possible. Bradesco ATMs do not have ATM fees.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2498960]Don't exchange USD / EUR in Sao Paulo. The cambios charge around 7-10% commission. Best is to use CC. At Bradesco you can withdraw up to 2500 BRL. Rate depends on your credit card / bank. I get the official visa rate with no commission. Various daily withdrawals possible. Bradesco ATMs do not have ATM fees.[/QUOTE]Thanks Safado (LOL). It's the same as Colombia then. I did notice in Mexico I got a GREAT rate at the cambio landing in Cancun but shit everywhere else.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2498955]Not with credit card, with ATM / Debit card.[/QUOTE]So not with Visa or Master? I thought debit cards were cards for domestic use only. I have an EU debit card (Mestro/Cirrus) but the fees on ATM withdrawals abroad are prohibitive.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499273]So not with Visa or Master? I thought debit cards were cards for domestic use only. I have an EU debit card (Mestro/Cirrus) but the fees on ATM withdrawals abroad are prohibitive.[/QUOTE]Check it with your institution. Actually, with Maestro you may have to pay less on foreign exchange conversion, like 1. 5% and it's not available for me, as I pay Visa (debit or credit, does not matter) 2. 5% over XE rate. Use Bradesco. Keep in mind there is no Bradesco ATM at GRU airport.

[QUOTE=Questner;2499299]Keep in mind there is no Bradesco ATM at GRU airport.[/QUOTE]That's not correct. There are Bradesco ATMs at GRU.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499273]So not with Visa or Master? I thought debit cards were cards for domestic use only. I have an EU debit card (Mestro/Cirrus) but the fees on ATM withdrawals abroad are prohibitive.[/QUOTE]In United States Charles Schwab Bank debit card has no foreign transactions fees and in UK Starling Bank is the same.

I've been using the 24 Horas ATMs and the Bradesco ATMs. They work well. No fees charged here or by my bank (Citi). My debit card is accepted everywhere and the rates aren't bad. No need for changing money because Reais are so accessible. I'm off to Canada today and returning in December. They've made it so easy to enter and the flights are empty I don't want to the winter in Canada.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499273]So not with Visa or Master? I thought debit cards were cards for domestic use only. I have an EU debit card (Mestro/Cirrus) but the fees on ATM withdrawals abroad are prohibitive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2499370]In United States Charles Schwab Bank debit card has no foreign transactions fees and in UK Starling Bank is the same.[/QUOTE]Ok, in EU you wouldn't call transaction free cards debit cards. What is offered is credit cards (usually visa) without transaction fees on ATM withdrawals.

Some banks offer Visa and Master cards with a limited number of transactions free withdrawals, eg 25 withdrawal p. a. without transaction fees. I guess the transaction fee free package is thrown in as a sales pitch by the bank. Such cards usually have a high yearly fixed cost, typically 150 to 180 euros. They come with all kinds of useless insurances.

The only fully DEBIT card with a transaction fee free package in Europe that I know of is Revolut. But the transaction fee free amount with Revolut is limited to 200 euro a month. Peanuts.

What is Charles Schwab Bank's business model? Do they give a less good exchange rate?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2499325]That's not correct. There are Bradesco ATMs at GRU.[/QUOTE]WHERE?

Last time I was there, I looked all over, and couldn't find one. I'd love to be able to get some cash at the airport next time I'm in town.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2499420]WHERE?

Last time I was there, I looked all over, and couldn't find one. I'd love to be able to get some cash at the airport next time I'm in town.[/QUOTE]Terminal 2. If you have problem finding just ask some of the airport staff.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499412]Ok, in EU you wouldn't call transaction free cards debit cards. What is offered is credit cards (usually visa) without transaction fees on ATM withdrawals.

Some banks offer Visa and Master cards with a limited number of transactions free withdrawals, eg 25 withdrawal p. a. without transaction fees. I guess the transaction fee free package is thrown in as a sales pitch by the bank. Such cards usually have a high yearly fixed cost, typically 150 to 180 euros. They come with all kinds of useless insurances.

The only fully DEBIT card with a transaction fee free package in Europe that I know of is Revolut. But the transaction fee free amount with Revolut is limited to 200 euro a month. Peanuts.

What is Charles Schwab Bank's business model? Do they give a less good exchange rate?[/QUOTE]The exchange rate is set by the ATM you are using for the transaction.

Starling Bank is similar to Revolut but has no limit on free withdrawals (but you do pay local ATM fees) and better customer service, they have both Pounds Sterling and Euro accounts, Charles Schwab is only dollars but has no limit, no fees and credits back to your account any local fees charged by the bank ATM you used.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2499420]WHERE?

Last time I was there, I looked all over, and couldn't find one. I'd love to be able to get some cash at the airport next time I'm in town.[/QUOTE]3rd floor next to the Starbucks.

Avoid Banco24 horas ATM, worst exchange rates I ever got.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2499423]Terminal 2. If you have problem finding just ask some of the airport staff.[/QUOTE]Okay I found the reference on the website:

BANCO BRADESCO.

Terminal 2 - Mezzanine – Check-in E.

[URL]https://www.gru.com.br/en/passenger/discover-gru/services-and-facilities/banks[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2499432]The exchange rate is set by the ATM you are using for the transaction.
.[/QUOTE]With my credit cards the exchange rate is the Visa or Master exchange rate, except if you fall into the trap of accepting withdrawal in foreign currency instead of local currency. So I withdraw for example 1000 R, and Visa or Master applies their (good) exchange rate to that back home to convert the 1000 R into euros. No shenanigans with ATM rates or such likes. Maybe it's different in Brazil though, I still have to test Brazilian ATMs. My experience is chiefly with ATMs in Africa.

I am, though, buying things in Sao Paulo with my credit card every day and the exchange rate is the official Visa exchange rate (with 1.75% foreign transaction fee in my case alas).

Power cut today, so we had to get by with one candle and the girl's smartphone and mine as light sources. I was surprised by the pricing system here. I was asked to pay 110 R upfront at reception so I thought this must be a discount price because of the power outage. However, the girl asked for an additional 150 in the room, saying that her money was kept separate from the house's money. This is the first instance of dual payment in a clinica. Prime clinica was 180 R, so cheaper than Abbobora's 150 + 110.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499449]Power cut today, so we had to get by with one candle and the girl's smartphone and mine as light sources. I was surprised by the pricing system here. I was asked to pay 110 R upfront at reception so I thought this must be a discount price because of the power outage. However, the girl asked for an additional 150 in the room, saying that her money was kept separate from the house's money. This is the first instance of dual payment in a clinica. Prime clinica was 180 R, so cheaper than Abbobora's 150 + 110.[/QUOTE]Yes this is normal, Abbobora is like that but the default there is 1 hour, not 30 minutes. And she will spend the full hour with you. In Prime, I think, you get 30 minutes by default.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2499325]That's not correct. There are Bradesco ATMs at GRU.[/QUOTE]You are right, but then I land in International Terminal 3, and T2 is more a domestic one.

[QUOTE=Questner;2499516]You are right, but then I land in International Terminal 3, and T2 is more a domestic one.[/QUOTE]So do I, but it's only a quick walk.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2499444]Okay I found the reference on the website:

BANCO BRADESCO.

Terminal 2 - Mezzanine Check-in E.

[URL]https://www.gru.com.br/en/passenger/discover-gru/services-and-facilities/banks[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks good follow-up posting link. Good to know Bradesco is in airport. Video as soon as it starts Bradesco lower LEFT [url]https://youtu.be/li3VvqeK0Dg?t=134[/url]

Also one in city Avendia Paulista 2016 [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Av.+Paulista,+2016+-+Bela+Vista,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP,+01310-200,+Brazil/@-23.5588573,-46.6592586,3a,75y,44.52h,87.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfofdcj8mrXfgd4BNNGpCWw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x94ce582d59bddf9b:0x3bf88731ad618ccb!8m2!3d-23.5582856!4d-46.6594582[/URL]

I have found taxis from the airport to Moema very expensive. In my last trip October last year I actually took the train but it was very inconvenient with luggage and won't do it again.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2499639]I have found taxis from the airport to Moema very expensive. In my last trip October last year I actually took the train but it was very inconvenient with luggage and won't do it again.[/QUOTE]I've paid 50-60 reais for Uber each time I went to the airport and back.

Because of Covid, deciding on the trip was not an easy decision but been working every day for past ten months and just needed it. This was my first time in Sao Paulo and wanted to make this trip report for any newbies visiting this city in near future. You can also check out my trip reports for Rio, Medellin, Cali, Panama City as well.

General.

Mosquitos- Had a same issue in Rio but if you are staying in Airbnb apt with open window balcony, make sure to buy a mosquito spray the first day and spray all over the place (especially the curtain area next to balcony door). Woke up after first night and was raped by these little bastards.

Area of stay- Stayed in Vila Olimpia area where it is considered one of high-end neighborhood. Beautiful skyscrapers and felt safe during all hours and highly recommend.

Travel insurance- Purchased the travel insurance from Seven Corner [URL]https://www.sevencorners.com/[/URL] Make sure to pick the plan under Liaison Travel Plus which covers the Covid medical bills and cost was only about $20 for the whole week.

Flight- My return scheduled flight changed two times during my stay and make sure to check the emails from the air carrier. Understand that time is different, but it would be suck going to airport not knowing the flight has been cancelled.

Copy of passport- Make sure to make a copy of passport so you can use as ID. When entering Scandallo or visiting escorts, front desk usually asks for ID and this makes a huge convenience instead of carrying the actual passport.

Clinica- Highly recommend both Miruna and Abbbora which they are close by around the corners. Miruna and Clinica Brooklin are open on Sundays and expect many guys at the waiting room. It seems all Moema clinicas are charging R230 per HR. And Abbbora will ask R260 for certain girls. Had a little Clinica run with member XXL and one of laughable moment was at Palms Clinica which supposed to be the high-end place with R300 per HR. At Palms, there isn't any girl presentation in person, but you can check out the available girls by using the tablets. It was just funny since the girls from the tablet weren't all that attractive. If I had more time, might of went back to session since the place looked high-end and located in Vila Olimpia where I was staying.

Scandallo- Finally, all these years of hearing about this place and it exceeded my expectation as for the venue goes. Everything was more that I have imagined except for the girl quality. I was expecting all the same quality girls from Instagram that I follow but was disappointed. There weren't any stunners and few pretty ones were always busy with other customers. And, noticed many Asian customers where it was kind of surprising (I know Sao Paulo has major asian population but wow). During my week stay, visited three times and saw many of same girls. On Saturday before 7 pm, entry was R200 instead of normal R150. It has been discussed many times, but pricing before 7 pm, R150 entry (all goes towards to consumption), Room R230 and girls asking R500 to 800. During my visits, the girls accepted R400 happily which was somewhat surprising since heard price was a bit higher.

Connection- This place was too far from where I was staying, almost 40 minutes by Uber. Certainly, more partier vibe than Scandallo. Members mentioned about same owner from Scandallo owning the place and it is probably true since the rooms are identical (all button control setting). If I can remember correctly, the entry was R50, room R120 and girls were asking R300-500. The girls were doable and think it is worthy of visit. The club also have card tables and many people were playing in the back of club with proper chips.

Bahamas Club- Smaller club in Moema. The place is somewhat old and laidback but it was kept in good shape and classy where it reminds of old high-end hotel in New York. There weren't many girls and didn't see any 9-10's. Session with big tits girl there and saw the same girl again at Scandallo next two nights. Since Connection and Scandallo were only place available to my knowledge, wasn't a bad idea to check this place out. Similar to Scandallo price except for entry fee which was too confusing where I just paid R150.

Negative- Not sure why but many of girls had a foul odor smell from their pussy. You do not smell it until change of sex position (touched on the condom to confirm the smell). This happened way too many times even with the girl from Scandallo. This was complete turn off.

Final thought- The trip was decent even with Covid situation. Surprisingly, everyone in Sao Paulo always wear a mask which made me felt safe and the city showed a lot wealth which was different from Rio. There were many fancy cars and people popping bottles at Scandallo and other clubs. As many members will advise, splitting the days between Rio and Sao Paulo isn't a bad idea. Just note that even with killer currency, you will spend some money when visiting night spots such as Scandallo and connection on a nightly basis. If you are thinking about making the trip, just do it.

So I have talked privately with some vets of both Rio and SP about the differences and it seems like SP has Rio beat when it comes to mongering. Seems like the amount of women is larger in SP at the very least. With that being said, some have said that the ambiance of Rio is more laid back and enjoyable than SP. As someone who enjoys darker skinned women, I also asked if Rio has a greater selection of negras and mulattas. I had mixed responses, as some said yes and some said that SP has enough to whet my appetite.

Can the guys who have experience in both SP and Rio speak a bit about the advantages and disadvantages between the two? Would it be worth splitting time between the two cities if I only had about a week to spend? Would it be worth choosing Rio over SP if I'm chasing negras and mulattas?

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2499827]

Negative- Not sure why but many of girls had a foul odor smell from their pussy. You do not smell it until change of sex position (touched on the condom to confirm the smell). This happened way too many times even with the girl from Scandallo. This was complete turn off.

[/QUOTE]Hello buddy, glad you made it home safe. Some plausible explanation for the smell problem could be:

1) No butt spray like in Asia.

2) Showers without any hand-held shower head. The water comes from above and you need to do a headstand if you want your nether parts thoroughly doused.

I favour number 2 as an explanation. Smell has not been a problem for me as I am not at all fussy in that department.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499912]Hello buddy, glad you made it home safe. Some plausible explanation for the smell problem could be:

1) No butt spray like in Asia.

2) Showers without any hand-held shower head. The water comes from above and you need to do a headstand if you want your nether parts thoroughly doused.

I favour number 2 as an explanation. Smell has not been a problem for me as I am not at all fussy in that department.[/QUOTE]Never had a problem with foul smelling girls in Brazil ever. So don't know what that was about. Also, with COVID still on the March, the quality of the girls could be down, with only the most desperate and hard up for cash willing to take a chance and keep working in the clubs.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2499827]Because of Covid, deciding on the trip was not an easy decision but been working every day for past ten months and just needed it. This was my first time in Sao Paulo and wanted to make this trip report for any newbies visiting this city in near future. You can also check out my trip reports for Rio, Medellin, Cali, Panama City as well.

General.

Copy of passport- Make sure to make a copy of passport so you can use as ID. When entering Scandallo or visiting escorts, front desk usually asks for ID and this makes a huge convenience instead of carrying the actual passport.

Clinica- Highly recommend both Miruna and Abbbora which they are close by around the corners. Miruna and Clinica Brooklin are open on Sundays and expect many guys at the waiting room. It seems all Moema clinicas are charging R230 per HR. And Abbbora will ask R260 for certain girls. Had a little Clinica run with member XXL and one of laughable moment was at Palms Clinica which supposed to be the high-end place with R300 per HR. At Palms, there isn't any girl presentation in person, but you can check out the available girls by using the tablets. It was just funny since the girls from the tablet weren't all that attractive. If I had more time, might of went back to session since the place looked high-end and located in Vila Olimpia where I was staying.

Scandallo- Finally, all these years of hearing about this place and it exceeded my expectation as for the venue goes. Everything was more that I have imagined except for the girl quality. I was expecting all the same quality girls from Instagram that I follow but was disappointed. There weren't any stunners and few pretty ones were always busy with other customers. And, noticed many Asian customers where it was kind of surprising (I know Sao Paulo has major asian population but wow). During my week stay, visited three times and saw many of same girls. On Saturday before 7 pm, entry was R200 instead of normal R150. It has been discussed many times, but pricing before 7 pm, R150 entry (all goes towards to consumption), Room R230 and girls asking R500 to 800. During my visits, the girls accepted R400 happily which was somewhat surprising since heard price was a bit higher.

Connection- This place was too far from where I was staying, almost 40 minutes by Uber. Certainly, more partier vibe than Scandallo. Members mentioned about same owner from Scandallo owning the place and it is probably true since the rooms are identical (all button control setting). If I can remember correctly, the entry was R50, room R120 and girls were asking R300-500. The girls were doable and think it is worthy of visit. The club also have card tables and many people were playing in the back of club with proper chips.

Bahamas Club- Smaller club in Moema. The place is somewhat old and laidback but it was kept in good shape and classy where it reminds of old high-end hotel in New York. There weren't many girls and didn't see any 9-10's. Session with big tits girl there and saw the same girl again at Scandallo next two nights. Since Connection and Scandallo were only place available to my knowledge, wasn't a bad idea to check this place out. Similar to Scandallo price except for entry fee which was too confusing where I just paid R150.

Negative- Not sure why but many of girls had a foul odor smell from their pussy. You do not smell it until change of sex position (touched on the condom to confirm the smell). This happened way too many times even with the girl from Scandallo. This was complete turn off..[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting your informative and timely report. I have been thinking of heading to Brazil myself since it looks like SE Asia will remain in lockdown until a vaccine is made widely available.

It is, however, very distressing to hear that "many of girls had a foul odor smell from their pussy" because this is a total turnoff for me and I refuse to shag a smelly pussy. Now it could be just a case of bad luck or a more serious personal hygiene issue among SP hookers. I do not know, but this is almost unheard of in BKK and Pattaya especially among Go Go girls and high-end soapy massage girls. In fact, I have never encountered the problem in LOS and I must have conservatively shagged over 500 Thai girls. I have encountered the problem a couple of times in the PI and one time in Phnom Penh. In all of those situations I terminated the session and paid the girl off. This problem is a particularly surprising one since you visited quality places like Scandallo.

On the 2nd issue in your report: although it is not nearly as serious as smelly pussy, is lack of quality. I was particularly surprised to read about your disappointment in the overall quality of Scandallo girls. Personally, I never expect all girls or even a majority of girls to be above a 5* out of 10* no matter where I go, including some of the best, most highly regarded bordellos in the world like Rio Sauna in Macau Malio Club in Jakarta, or Maria Hotel and Spa in BKK. In all those amazing venues I am happy if 10% of the girls are 6.5* to 7* and maybe one or two girls are 8's. That means I can find the kind of girl I am looking for.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;2499954]It is, however, very distressing to hear that "many of girls had a foul odor smell from their pussy" because this is a total turnoff for me and I refuse to shag a smelly pussy.[/QUOTE]
You should avoid brazilian p*ssies. They ALL smell like Danish cheese. Go back to LOS.
I remember once when me and my friends went to ViaShow in Rio, we brought some regular girls back home to have a suruba/foursome. All went fine, The girls were s*cking d*cks in the taxi etc, but back home when I was going to doggy one of the girls I opened her vagina lips and felt a odor just like when you open a can of surstromming. I almost vomited. You really should keep going to Asia.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2499908]So I have talked privately with some vets of both Rio and SP about the differences and it seems like SP has Rio beat when it comes to mongering. Seems like the amount of women is larger in SP at the very least. With that being said, some have said that the ambiance of Rio is more laid back and enjoyable than SP. As someone who enjoys darker skinned women, I also asked if Rio has a greater selection of negras and mulattas. I had mixed responses, as some said yes and some said that SP has enough to whet my appetite.

Can the guys who have experience in both SP and Rio speak a bit about the advantages and disadvantages between the two? Would it be worth splitting time between the two cities if I only had about a week to spend? Would it be worth choosing Rio over SP if I'm chasing negras and mulattas?[/QUOTE]My god man. How about trying to RTFF why don't you?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2500070]You should avoid brazilian p*ssies. They ALL smell like Danish cheese. Go back to LOS.
I remember once when me and my friends went to ViaShow in Rio, we brought some regular girls back home to have a suruba/foursome. All went fine, The girls were s*cking d*cks in the taxi etc, but back home when I was going to doggy one of the girls I opened her vagina lips and felt a odor just like when you open a can of surstromming. I almost vomited. You really should keep going to Asia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, but I think you are taking my comments on the OP's experience the wrong way. All I did was quote his observation and add an obvious explanation that it was probably, "just a case of bad luck or a more serious personal hygiene issue among SP hookers. " Now which of those two possibilities do you think is more likely? Really! So, I am sorry if I inadvertently may have implied that all SP hookers or even a large number of SP hookers have serious personal hygiene problems. I meant no insult towards the vast majority of wonderful SP working girls of which I am sure most have sweet smelling pussies.

I hope that clears everything up, but I am curious: You say, "I opened her vagina lips and felt a odor just like when you open a can of surstromming. I almost vomited. " I know the smell. So did you shag her, settle for a BJ, or get rid of her?

Been going to Brazil since the early 2000's amd I have never had a girl whose pussy smelled bad. Most have no smell and every once in a while, a slight flowery smell.

If it has a smell, one must wonder where you are getting these girls from.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2500070]You should avoid brazilian p*ssies. They ALL smell like Danish cheese. Go back to LOS.
I remember once when me and my friends went to ViaShow in Rio, we brought some regular girls back home to have a suruba/foursome. All went fine, The girls were s*cking d*cks in the taxi etc, but back home when I was going to doggy one of the girls I opened her vagina lips and felt a odor just like when you open a can of surstromming. I almost vomited. You really should keep going to Asia.[/QUOTE]Aren't you the same dude that told me you've had more Brazilian buceta than I can ever dream of?? LOL this will be my first time I believe you shouldn't knock something before you try it but believe me if I have the same experience I will never return. Someone told me you be been to every state in Brazil and this never worried you? COVID will stop you from going to Brazil but this wouldn't? Some of why'all ISG guys kill me.

[QUOTE=XXL;2499912]Hello buddy, glad you made it home safe. [/QUOTE]Hope you are staying well and it was pleasure meeting you.

Just note that you are in heaven and I am back in prison, LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2499929]Never had a problem with foul smelling girls in Brazil ever. So don't know what that was about. Also, with COVID still on the March, the quality of the girls could be down, with only the most desperate and hard up for cash willing to take a chance and keep working in the clubs.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it was Covid or me but it bothered me during the sessions and never had this problem in Rio.

This smell thing is my personal opinion and it shouldn't deterred any mongers.

Hardly any AirBnb places have an in-room safe. I haven't stayed in a place devoid of an in-room safe for ages. How do you guys deal with this? No alternative but sticking to hotels?

AirBnb should have a policy about this instead of making a show of carbon monoxide detectors and whatnot.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2500112]I don't know if it was Covid or me but it bothered me during the sessions and never had this problem in Rio.

This smell thing is my personal opinion and it shouldn't deterred any mongers.[/QUOTE]I wasn't linking COVID to bad smells. I was saying that maybe the reason why the talent was subpar is due to the pandemic, with only the most desperate of tutes being willing to still get out there and risk it working in the clubs. Sorry about the smell though. Glad I've never had that problem in Brazil where I have eaten lots of Brasiliera pussy and ass.

[QUOTE=XXL;2500147]Hardly any AirBnb places have an in-room safe.[/QUOTE]I have been in 3 airbnb in Pattaya and all 3 had the safety box. Also in Cuba 2 airbnb out of 3 had the safety box.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2500252]I have been in 3 airbnb in Pattaya and all 3 had the safety box. Also in Cuba 2 airbnb out of 3 had the safety box.[/QUOTE]So it could be a Brazil problem. I keep mailing AirBnB hosts in Sao Paulo and only one or two who are inside hotels have safes. I am in such an AirBnB right now in fact.

In Thailand even 2-star hotels have safes. And Thailand may be where safes are the least needed owing to the country's outstanding safety record.

[QUOTE=XXL;2500147]Hardly any AirBnb places have an in-room safe. I haven't stayed in a place devoid of an in-room safe for ages. How do you guys deal with this? No alternative but sticking to hotels?

AirBnb should have a policy about this instead of making a show of carbon monoxide detectors and whatnot.[/QUOTE]Because I've made several trips to Cuba I had to carry large amounts of cash as ATMs don't work for Americans there. I split up my bankroll and hide it 8 to 10 places between all my belongings and me. So that even if I was robbed they would probably find one stash and think that is THE stash. This system now works so well for me I prefer to use it over the lock boxes excpet when I'm in Medellin and renting longer term. And even then I still keep several stashes separate from the lock box. Something unsettling about having everything in one metal box screwed to a shelf exactly where a thief would know to target.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2499827]Because of Covid, deciding on the trip was not an easy decision but been working every day for past ten months and just needed it. This was my first time in Sao Paulo and wanted to make this trip report for any newbies visiting this city in near future. You can also check out my trip reports for Rio, Medellin, Cali, Panama City as well.

Final thought- The trip was decent even with Covid situation. Surprisingly, everyone in Sao Paulo always wear a mask which made me felt safe and the city showed a lot wealth which was different from Rio. There were many fancy cars and people popping bottles at Scandallo and other clubs. As many members will advise, splitting the days between Rio and Sao Paulo isn't a bad idea. Just note that even with killer currency, you will spend some money when visiting night spots such as Scandallo and connection on a nightly basis. If you are thinking about making the trip, just do it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting a great trip report OldBelly. Great for us newbies planning to visit. Like others here my trip to LOS (land of smiles) was cancelled so looking at other possibilities. I've been to Rio back in the days of Disco Help but not since 2004. Never been to Sao Paulo but looking forward to visiting the nightclubs you mentioned. Could someone tell me the similar places in Rio other than Casablanca? I've read the last ten pages of Rio forum but don't see much mentioned on nightclubs. I'll be visitng both cities over a few weeks time. I'm not into the termas as much as nightclubs unless they've changed since 2004.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2500268]Thanks for posting a great trip report OldBelly. Great for us newbies planning to visit. Like others here my trip to LOS (land of smiles) was cancelled so looking at other possibilities. I've been to Rio back in the days of Disco Help but not since 2004. Never been to Sao Paulo but looking forward to visiting the nightclubs you mentioned. Could someone tell me the similar places in Rio other than Casablanca? I've read the last ten pages of Rio forum but don't see much mentioned on nightclubs. I'll be visitng both cities over a few weeks time. I'm not into the termas as much as nightclubs unless they've changed since 2004.[/QUOTE]Think you answered urself. If it isn't in the last ten pages of the forum it probably is a for a reason. Common wisdom that you go to Rio for Termas and SP for Boates and SP is far superior for the girl scene in general prevails.

I can't recall your tolerance for playing the Sugar Baby game but I would try my hand at that for evenings in Rio. Beachside dining and overnights with hotties in Rio sounds divine to me (see my recent Seeking Arrangements thread FR. This was USA but you get the idea). Here’s the link to the FR #1109 if u are wondering what SB can be like at it’s pinnacle. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2500292]Think you answered urself. If it isn't in the last ten pages of the forum it probably is a for a reason. Common wisdom that you go to Rio for Termas and SP for Boates and SP is far superior for the girl scene in general prevails.

I can't recall your tolerance for playing the Sugar Baby game but I would try my hand at that for evenings in Rio. Beachside dining and overnights with hotties in Rio sounds divine to me (see my recent Seeking Arrangements thread FR. This was USA but you get the idea). Heres the link to the FR #1109 if u are wondering what SB can be like at its pinnacle. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements[/QUOTE]Thanks for confirming what I suspected Steve. Yeah I'll definitely work the SA game in Brazil. I just returned from a month in Kiev and met a couple good ones there via SA although required lots of time and work. And yeah I do keep up with the discussion on the SA forum. You guys are using SA as intended. I more try to use it for single sessions although I did see one girl twice.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2499908]So I have talked privately with some vets of both Rio and SP about the differences and it seems like SP has Rio beat when it comes to mongering. Seems like the amount of women is larger in SP at the very least. With that being said, some have said that the ambiance of Rio is more laid back and enjoyable than SP. As someone who enjoys darker skinned women, I also asked if Rio has a greater selection of negras and mulattas. I had mixed responses, as some said yes and some said that SP has enough to whet my appetite.

Can the guys who have experience in both SP and Rio speak a bit about the advantages and disadvantages between the two? Would it be worth splitting time between the two cities if I only had about a week to spend? Would it be worth choosing Rio over SP if I'm chasing negras and mulattas?[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with The Cane here RTFF. This SP vs. Rio topic comes up almost every two weeks for the last ten plus years since Help Disco in Rio closed. It sounds like you've heard all the comparisons.

As far as finding negras and mulattas, I will reiterate I have not noticed big disparities in the numbers between the two cities. These are both huge cities only separated by 200 miles. I myself generally don't run around Brazil looking for fair-skinned blondes either.

I wouldn't overanalyze the decision and just visit both cities.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2500268]........I've been to Rio back in the days of Disco Help but not since 2004. Never been to Sao Paulo but looking forward to visiting the nightclubs you mentioned. Could someone tell me the similar places in Rio other than Casablanca? I've read the last ten pages of Rio forum but don't see much mentioned on nightclubs. I'll be visitng both cities over a few weeks time. I'm not into the termas as much as nightclubs unless they've changed since 2004.[/QUOTE]Since Help closed in 2009, no large club with significant numbers of working girls has emerged. One would suspect the city of Rio wants it that way. There are a smattering of girls in a few nightlife venues.

Some of my buddies don't care for termas. Some hate the brothel set-up and / or waiting in line to fuck in small rooms. We try to meet up with cool termas girls outside the termas. We also like to socialize in the termas bar with the girls. Granted, it's not the same as a club.

The bad smell comes from changing from anal to vaginal sex, which is common in Brazil. The flora that is in the rectum should under no circumstances be transmitted to the vagina.

Definitely going to Sao Paulo in January but need to decide which two weeks to book off from work.

Thinking about going on the 4th of January. Bar any Covid related incidents, will the Clinicas and any Boates that have reopened be back to normal and most of the girls back to work or should I go one or two weeks later?

Been using Duolingo everyday for at least half an hour but finding Portuguese hard to learn.

[QUOTE=Tottem;2500636]The bad smell comes from changing from anal to vaginal sex, which is common in Brazil. The flora that is in the rectum should under no circumstances be transmitted to the vagina.[/QUOTE]I don't know if that was the specific issue with his sessions or not, but yes one should never do this. Change condoms each time before you go from the pussy to the ass and vice versa. Well, it's OK to go from pussy to ass without switching out, but always change condoms when going from butt hole to pussy hole. Also, never go from from eating ass to eating pussy. Eat all of the pussy you want first. Then munch out the butt hole to your heart's content.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2500573]I tend to agree with The Cane here RTFF. This SP vs. Rio topic comes up almost every two weeks for the last ten plus years since Help Disco in Rio closed. It sounds like you've heard all the comparisons.

As far as finding negras and mulattas, I will reiterate I have not noticed big disparities in the numbers between the two cities. These are both huge cities only separated by 200 miles. I myself generally don't run around Brazil looking for fair-skinned blondes either.

I wouldn't overanalyze the decision and just visit both cities.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. I am RTFF and have been working my way from page 70 of the Rio thread onto about page 55 right now. I have been skipping around the SP thread's more recent reports. There really hasn't been a great deal of explicit comparisons of the negras and mulattas populations between Sao Paulo and Rio so far. I have read more reports that mention negras in the prives in the Rio thread than the reports I've read in the SP thread. I have also been basing my assumption that Rio has a greater negras population on the selection of ads on Photo.

The reason why I opened up my question about a comparison between the two cities is largely because my biggest concern was the availability of negras and mulattas in SP. I had read through many of Rovnak's posts (apologies for name dropping. If you stumble across this post and would not like your name associated with it, Rovnak, please PM me and I will delete this) and saw his opinion (post #7847 made on 01-21-17) on the debate between the two cities. He stated that SP had larger top-end and medium-end clubs compared to Rio. He stated that SP was much more late-night friendly, with significant discounts possibly being available later in the night. He stated that SP's days of operation were M-Sat, with some available on Sunday, while Rio was typically M-F. He stated that takeout is an option in the top clubs of SP, while it is not an option in the top clubs of Rio.

After reading through Rovnak's breakdown of SP vs Rio, I more or less believe SP has the more ideal setup. It might be foolish to base this on just one person's information, but I have read a good amount of Rovnak's posts (his breakdown on how select and vet from Photo was very informative) and trust his expertise enough to place a lot of weight on his opinion. I have also spoken to other vet mongers who more or less corroborated his take. The only piece that was missing from his report was a comparison between the negras and mulattas populations from the two cities. I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but that is a big enough factor to influence which city I would choose as my maiden trip.

Wyatt, you have been a great help both through PMs and on the forum, and I have also read through many of your posts on this board and the Rio board. I have taken your advice to heart, but I also do not believe I would have the time or money to explore both cities, so I am trying my best to take in as much info as I can to make a decision.

The Cane has also been a great help and has contributed a lot on both boards as well. Apologies to both of you guys if I still haven't met your standards of RTFF. I am still in the process of RTFF. There is a lot of ground to cover. My questions were posted because I have not really seen enough reports answering the negras and mulattas question to form a clear consensus on which city has the better selection or if the difference was insignificant enough to be inconsequential. If you have answered it previously, or if you know of specific reports that have answered the question previously, it would be a big help if you could point them out to me.

Up and running again according to a clinica girl I sessioned. Used to be called "a boate das boates" (the mother of all discos), because it opened till daybreak and girls gathered there after other places closed for the night.

[QUOTE=Tottem;2500636]The bad smell comes from changing from anal to vaginal sex, which is common in Brazil. The flora that is in the rectum should under no circumstances be transmitted to the vagina.[/QUOTE]

Very plausible since most garotas are into anal. The dumb thing is, they will insist on condom change whenever a cock is coming fresh from another girl's vagina, but they will be ok with switching between their own butt and pussy without condom change. This may make sense from the point of view of STD prevention but it is disastrous for vagina smell.

[QUOTE=XXL;2500813]Very plausible since most garotas are into anal. The dumb thing is, they will insist on condom change whenever a cock is coming fresh from another girl's vagina, but they will be ok with switching between their own butt and pussy without condom change. This may make sense from the point of view of STD prevention but it is disastrous for vagina smell.[/QUOTE]I think mongers should not only be banging the girls but also do something useful for them. In my next visit to Brazil I'm going to give out portable personal douches to the hotties as gifts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2500837]I think mongers should not only be banging the girls but also do something useful for them. In my next visit to Brazil I'm going to give out portable personal douches to the hotties as gifts.[/QUOTE]LOLOLOL! Hahaha!

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2500268]Thanks for posting a great trip report OldBelly. Great for us newbies planning to visit. Like others here my trip to LOS (land of smiles) was cancelled so looking at other possibilities. I've been to Rio back in the days of Disco Help but not since 2004. Never been to Sao Paulo but looking forward to visiting the nightclubs you mentioned. Could someone tell me the similar places in Rio other than Casablanca? I've read the last ten pages of Rio forum but don't see much mentioned on nightclubs. I'll be visitng both cities over a few weeks time. I'm not into the termas as much as nightclubs unless they've changed since 2004.[/QUOTE]I've heard dolce vita in Rio is decent I believe it's in copa forgive me if I spelled it wrong I have a bud there now he said he felt like a piece of meat with a wallet in there. Left with a slim negra. Looked decent he said she was a blast.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2500837]I think mongers should not only be banging the girls but also do something useful for them. In my next visit to Brazil I'm going to give out portable personal douches to the hotties as gifts.[/QUOTE]That's a great idea! LOL.

[QUOTE=Tottem;2500636]The bad smell comes from changing from anal to vaginal sex, which is common in Brazil. The flora that is in the rectum should under no circumstances be transmitted to the vagina.[/QUOTE]But ass to mouth is toppi kkk.

I will be in SP this week if any one wants to meet up.

I had visited Red Massagem on All Saints' Day but then they had no girls in attendance. Girls had apparently gone home for the bank holiday. Today they had 4 girls. Only one, Laeticia, was doable. I waited for ages in the room for her to turn up. This was not the first time in a clinica I was left cooling my heels in the room. Can someone tell me what business girls have to attend that takes so much time? If they were playing for time too bad, because I am usually done after 20 minutes, so no need to play for time with me. Anyways, the shower in room 9 was not working so we had to move to another room. Laeticia informed me, or rather fed me the lie, that she had a tooth ailment that required her to do only covered blowjobs. It was downhill from then on of course. She was the typical non-provider who shouldn't be in this line of business. I left without finishing. Off to Kin Center Clinic.

In Kin Center I was presented with an assortment of thick-waisted shorties. I called it a day and called an Ueber to my AirBnB.

Red and Kin are not places I am going to visit again any time soon.

My skinny mulatta from Prime is away to Campinas for the week. I miss her. Slim picking in the clinicas. If only Scandallo was somewhat reasonably priced (or had redeemable features like decent food), I would give it another chance this week. As it is, I'll wait till I am days away from my flight back home to blow the rest of my cash there.

Connection is tempting but it lies in the back of beyond. Traffic in SP now much worse than one month ago, when moving about was easy as pie.

[QUOTE=XXL;2501987]I had visited Red Massagem on All Saints' Day but then they had no girls in attendance. Girls had apparently gone home for the bank holiday. Today they had 4 girls. Only one, Laeticia, was doable. I waited for ages in the room for her to turn up. This was not the first time in a clinica I was left cooling my heels in the room. Can someone tell me what business girls have to attend that takes so much time? If they were playing for time too bad, because I am usually done after 20 minutes, so no need to play for time with me. Anyways, the shower in room 9 was not working so we had to move to another room. Laeticia informed me, or rather fed me the lie, that she had a tooth ailment that required her to do only covered blowjobs. It was downhill from then on of course. She was the typical non-provider who shouldn't be in this line of business. I left without finishing. Off to Kin Center Clinic.

In Kin Center I was presented with an assortment of thick-waisted shorties. I called it a day and called an Ueber to my AirBnB.

Red and Kin are not places I am going to visit again any time soon.[/QUOTE]If I were you I would give Kin Center another chance. Judging by the Prime's slim mulata, I assume you are in to dark skinned slim girls. There is a good looking tall slim mulata by the name of Cecilia at Kin Center. I've seen her once. She gets great TD reviews on GP-Guia so she is always busy. You either have to pre-schedule with her or get lucky if you walk-in. The trick is to not to pick a girl right away, rather sit and relax and wait for at least 30 minutes or more to give the girls in session to finish and be available. There also a beautiful branca named Sofia. She also got great TD reviews. I was going to session with her the other day but she had an appointment coming up and so she was only able to do a 30 minute session, which I never do. I will definitely go back in the near future to session with both of them. There is also an exotic looking tall slim morena named Victoria. I did and had a good session.

[QUOTE=XXL;2501987]
In Kin Center I was presented with an assortment of thick-waisted shorties. I called it a day and called an Ueber to my AirBnB.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Do you mean short with a big booty?

[QUOTE=XXL;2501987]
If only Scandallo was somewhat reasonably priced (or had redeemable features like decent food), I would give it another chance this week. As it is, I'll wait till I am days away from my flight back home to blow the rest of my cash there.
[/QUOTE]There are other boates. Has anyone tried 2028 Augusta bar?

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2502048]Thanks for the report. Do you mean short with a big booty?
[/QUOTE]No, I meant short and with a poor waist-to-hip ratio.

[QUOTE=XXL;2502089]No, I meant short and with a poor waist-to-hip ratio.[/QUOTE]That's the McDonald's effect.

[QUOTE=XXL;2501987]If only Scandallo was somewhat reasonably priced (or had redeemable features like decent food), I would give it another chance this week. As it is, I'll wait till I am days away from my flight back home to blow the rest of my cash there.

Connection is tempting but it lies in the back of beyond. Traffic in SP now much worse than one month ago, when moving about was easy as pie.[/QUOTE]Try spaghetti at Scandallo which wasn't too bad and reasonably priced.

I know Connection is far but it is worthy of visit during the week nights.

Sounds like you are getting tired of Sao Paulo scene and maybe try Rio or other cities for few days.

Duda is a girl with outsized labia. She is also loud. Mother of 3, so pussy not too tight. All the same, she moves well and is really into it. I'll repeat.

On my way out I caught sight of Mary, whom I hadn't seen during the first presentation. I decided to try her out there and then. Guitar-shaped body (done-up tits though). Good-tempered and talkative. Will probably repeat as well.

I'm adding Enjoy to my list of regular Clinicas.

Not only is Ueber invaluable in SP, but Ueber Eats is a blessing as well, plus one good reason to stay in an apartment rather than a hotel room.

On my October trip I visited various clinicas.

Miruna x 2.

Kin.

Brooklin.

Abbabora.

The key is being able to walk out if there is nothing that excites you. The other nice thing is the lineups are a little fluid so each visit may yield some surprises. I also like that Brooklin and Kin are close to each other, the same as Marunda and Abbabora, so you can compare whose available pretty easily.

Kin has always been the worst of these clinicas for me. But I have found some cuties there a couple of times.

Brooklin seems to have the most stable lineup. I recognise some girls as having been there 3 years plus. But he presentations get boring, until a new cutie shows up.

Miruna is one of my favourites. Some good and some bad but overall a solid record. And I adore the two girls at reception. They are very friendly. Always making sure I have water or coffee etc and quite chatty with me in my broken Portuguese.

Abbabora has some nice girls but I've never clicked that well with them. They seem less friendly. Maybe it's just me. This place is more "clinical" in feel.

Recent memorable girls are Juliana from Miruna; Nathalie from Abbabora and Lara from Brooklin. I'm heading back in December for more fun.

[QUOTE=XXL;2502425]Duda is a girl with outsized labia. She is also loud. Mother of 3, so pussy not too tight. All the same, she moves well and is really into it. I'll repeat.

On my way out I caught sight of Mary, whom I hadn't seen during the first presentation. I decided to try her out there and then. Guitar-shaped body (done-up tits though). Good-tempered and talkative. Will probably repeat as well.

I'm adding Enjoy to my list of regular Clinicas.

Not only is Ueber invaluable in SP, but Ueber Eats is a blessing as well, plus one good reason to stay in an apartment rather than a hotel room.[/QUOTE]

I'm looking at the poster ads for 2028 Bar Augusta ([URL]http://2028bar.com.br/[/URL]) and they say "A PARTIR DOS 10 H" which translate to "Opens at 10 AM. " I've also seen them post elsewhere as "A PARTIR DOS 10 H AS 20 H" which would mean "Opens at 10 AM until 8 PM. " Am I wrong? Can someone who understands Brazilian Portuguese better than me confirm that they really are a 10 AM to 8 PM Boate?

Also, has anyone heard anything about Casarao? That place was an institution. I'm going to be in SP this weekend and want to avoid clip joints like Scandaloo and Cafe Photo that just charge too much.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2503090]I'm looking at the poster ads for 2028 Bar Augusta ([URL]http://2028bar.com.br/[/URL]) and they say "A PARTIR DOS 10 H" which translate to "Opens at 10 AM. " I've also seen them post elsewhere as "A PARTIR DOS 10 H AS 20 H" which would mean "Opens at 10 AM until 8 PM. " Am I wrong? Can someone who understands Brazilian Portuguese better than me confirm that they really are a 10 AM to 8 PM Boate?

Also, has anyone heard anything about Casarao? That place was an institution. I'm going to be in SP this weekend and want to avoid clip joints like Scandaloo and Cafe Photo that just charge too much.[/QUOTE]Bar Augusta says from Monday to Monday 10 am to 4 am. It says so on this page: [URL]http://www.2028bar.com.br/contato.php[/URL].

Their Facebook page says something about November 20 as from 10am, but this seems to be about a special local celebration ("Festa do Farol"). So 10am seems to be their opening time. Here: https://www.facebook.com/2028baraugusta/

The website doesn't say whether they have short time rooms.

The Casarao webpage still has the Covid public announcement so I gather it is still closed: [URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br[/URL].

[QUOTE=XXL;2503107]
The website doesn't say whether they have short time rooms.
[/QUOTE]On their fb page they mention a special with "suite incluso. " I'm not sure if "suite" in SP means short time room when advertised at these places.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2503111]On their fb page they mention a special with "suite incluso. " I'm not sure if "suite" in SP means short time room when advertised at these places.[/QUOTE]"Suite" is standard Brazilian for "(hotel) room". I'll ckeck the place this Thursday. However, "fun as from 30 R with room included" sounds too cheap to be any good.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2503088]On my October trip I visited various clinicas.

Recent memorable girls are Juliana from Miruna; Nathalie from Abbabora and Lara from Brooklin. I'm heading back in December for more fun.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing!

I'm hoping to make it to SP in December as well.

Ticket booked for a business trip mid December. Now comes the hard decision:

Do I take a for sure girl who I had last time and was able to BB but no chance at anal or do I look for something new on PhotoAcompanhantes with anal? The other girl I had found on PhotoAcompanhantes and she was great. Good conversation, lots of kissing, made her orgasm multiple times before she just grabbed my dick and put it in her pussy. Morning, moon and night we got it on.

Decisions. Decisions. Decisions.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2503088]Abbabora has some nice girls but I've never clicked that well with them. They seem less friendly. Maybe it's just me. This place is more "clinical" in feel.

Recent memorable girls are Juliana from Miruna; Nathalie from Abbabora and Lara from Brooklin. I'm heading back in December for more fun.[/QUOTE]Man, you barely make any posts but when you do, it includes many good info. Please share more your experiences after December trip.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2503090] I'm going to be in SP this weekend and want to avoid clip joints like Scandaloo and Cafe Photo that just charge too much.[/QUOTE]You should try muchachos.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2503503]
You should try muchachos.[/QUOTE]That looks like a dive bar that's SW of Centro SP.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2503696]That looks like a dive bar that's SW of Centro SP.[/QUOTE]It's a nice local place in Santo Amaro with a few good-looking women. If I remember correctly, 10 real entry got you two drinks, and an hour was 200 real. If you wanted to upgrade the room, it was another 20 or 30 real. They had live music (at least on Friday and Saturday). Maybe 30-40 women. Helps if you speak Portuguese.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2503760]It's a nice local place in Santo Amaro with a few good-looking women. If I remember correctly, 10 real entry gets you two drinks, and an hour is 200 real. If you want to upgrade the room, it's another 20 or 30 real. They had live music (at least on Friday and Saturday). Maybe 30-40 women. Helps if you speak Portuguese.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll give it a go and see what its like. This is if 2028 Bar Augusta doesn't work out. My hotel is closer to that one. For Clinicas I got a list I can pop into during the day.

[QUOTE=KsaSing;2503088]On my October trip I visited various clinicas.



Brooklin seems to have the most stable lineup. I recognise some girls as having been there 3 years plus. But he presentations get boring, until a new cutie shows up.

[/QUOTE]Yes, I visited Brooklin three times around noon, and I was show the same 4 girls each time.

I visited Enjoy twice at the same time of day at a few days' interval, and the 5 or 6 girls I was shown were all different but one.

Place deserted when I arrived shortly before noon. The guy told me he was going to call "the girls". In fact only one girl was available. Though milfish she was somewhat my type and seemed to like me so I decided to try her out. One hour 150 R.

The lighting in the room didn't work, the only light being from the adjoining shower which looked like it had not been cleaned since the day before. The sheets looked stained in the half-light. This was not a place for the fastidious.

My Sagami broke, which I put down to the lack of lube (not unusual for girls not to have lube). When the 2nd Sagami broke too I assumed this was due to the girl's shaven pussy having grown a spiky stubble, which had made going down on her feel less than satisfactory. I ended up shooting my load THROUGH the condom rather than inside it. The girl didn't seem to mind at all. Too bad, enough on my mind these days without having to worry about a dose of the claps.

I you want to come here better choose another time of day (though a poster on the Brazilian GP forum mentioned coming close to midnight and being disappointed as well).

The exchange rate has taken a sharp turn for the worse over the past few days. Must be a Real thing coz the euro/USD rate is unchanged.

[QUOTE=XXL;2504087]Place deserted when I arrived shortly before noon. The guy told me he was going to call "the girls". In fact only one girl was available. Though milfish she was somewhat my type and seemed to like me so I decided to try her out. One hour 150 R.

The lighting in the room didn't work, the only light being from the adjoining shower which looked like it had not been cleaned since the day before. The sheets looked stained in the half-light. This was not a place for the fastidious.

My Sagami broke, which I put down to the lack of lube (not unusual for girls not to have lube). When the 2nd Sagami broke too I assumed this was due to the girl's shaven pussy having grown a spiky stubble, which had made going down on her feel less than satisfactory. I ended up shooting my load THROUGH the condom rather than inside it. The girl didn't seem to mind at all. Too bad, enough on my mind these days without having to worry about a dose of the claps.

I you want to come here better choose another time of day (though a poster on the Brazilian GP forum mentioned coming close to midnight and being disappointed as well).

The exchange rate has taken a sharp turn for the worse over the past few days. Must be a Real thing coz the euro/USD rate is unchanged.[/QUOTE]I had a rash of breakage with my Japanese thin condoms and gave up on them. Plus even the extra large are tight. Try the Trojan BareSkin (regular or Magnum). They are like 80% as good feeling as the Sagamis and waaaaay more reliable. My new weapon of choice!

[QUOTE=XXL;2504087]
The lighting in the room didn't work, the only light being from the adjoining shower which looked like it had not been cleaned since the day before. The sheets looked stained in the half-light. This was not a place for the fastidious.
[/QUOTE]Holy shit. Thanks for the report and taking one for the team, hahaha. Flying over in a bit and may give this place a pass or just pop in to take a look. This doesn't bode too well. Prices outside of some clinicas appear to be high. I do wish Casarao would have opened by now.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2504108]I had a rash of breakage with my Japanese thin condoms and gave up on them. Plus even the extra large are tight. Try the Trojan BareSkin (regular or Magnum). They are like 80% as good feeling as the Sagamis and waaaaay more reliable. My new weapon of choice![/QUOTE]Are all BareSkins lubricated? I don't like or use lubricated condoms. Can't remember the last time I did. In the 80's? LOLOLOL!

Got to SP yesterday and got to see a lovely loria, cache was R600 . Before why'all criticize I just touchdown wasn't in a negotiating mood. Great head, negro Beijo beautiful body.

[URL]https://twitter.com/fdeusa2?s=21[/URL]

[QUOTE=BMo814;2504359]Got to SP yesterday and got to see a lovely loria, cache was R600 . Before why'all criticize I just touchdown wasn't in a negotiating mood. Great head, negro Beijo beautiful body.

[URL]https://twitter.com/fdeusa2?s=21[/URL][/QUOTE]Given the exchange rate, that's not too much to pay for a looker who performs over a solid length of time, like an hour minimum.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2504393]Given the exchange rate, that's not too much to pay for a looker who performs over a solid length of time, like an hour minimum.[/QUOTE]Agreed my man! But some of why'all hard core and if we pay above R300 they tell us we fuckin the market up. I generally don't do tooo much negotiating I see it like this, thanks to ISG I know what the market is, if she goes way over I'm walking away. If she is in the ball park we can rock bcuz if I talk her down now she is just going out of necessity and I feel there would be a loss in quality of service and I hate to waste time and money. Money I'll waste bcuz all this is a waste of money as long as I leave smiling.

I been drooling over this mixed Japa named Lina I'm sure why'all on Twitter have seen her. Well she is off until the 28th but I still been dying to meet one of these Brazilian. Japonesa so today I selected Sayuri Soto off SP love. What can I say, I'the give her a mixed review. Was pretty but a little older I believe than what she stated, service was a 7 , came in kissing and hugging and rubbing. She talked nasty during sex which I dug even tho I only understand 1 out of every 5 words. If your a newbie like me and your Portuguese is lame don't worry, the 2 garotas that I've had were unbothered and the japa I had today wouldn't shut up LOL. The bad part about could tell she wasn't as " cultured" she was super impressed with the view from my room and that turned me into a photographer. Then afterwards too. Then she tried to get me to pay for a taxi which I replied I know you have money I just gave it to you. Cache R1000 for 2 hours.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2504498]Then she tried to get me to pay for a taxi which I replied I know you have money I just gave it to you. Cache R1000 for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
To me it sounds good. A months salary is about R$1000. The girl must be happy.
I remember a "few years ago" when a Help girl charged R$35 and I was like woooow, expensive. However it was my last night in Rio and I accepted. When I followed the girl to the bus after a noite of selvagem she wanted to give the money back, but I didn't accept. Still I was like, jesus I paid R$35 to f*ck a girl.
I had a good friend who found a girl at Help who wanted R$350 at that time. I told him he was stupid if he payed that amount, but he was horny and loves huge horse asses. He accepted, and she jumped happy of joy. He's an oldtimer in Rio, but he never regret he payed that amount of money.
Pay whatever you like! You might ruin to others, but you only live one time.

Hit Connection night club last night.

Thursday.

100 are entrance, 50 are consumable.

First time there. I liked it a lot, much more than Scandallo.

Some of the same girls were working at Connection as Scandallo too.

They told me 800 are programa at Scandallo, accept 600 are, and half that price at Connection.

Had a great time!

[QUOTE=Sperto;2504518]To me it sounds good. A months salary is about R$1000. The girl must be happy.
I remember a "few years ago" when a Help girl charged R$35 and I was like woooow, expensive. However it was my last night in Rio and I accepted. When I followed the girl to the bus after a noite of selvagem she wanted to give the money back, but I didn't accept. Still I was like, jesus I paid R$35 to f*ck a girl.
I had a good friend who found a girl at Help who wanted R$350 at that time. I told him he was stupid if he payed that amount, but he was horny and loves huge horse asses. He accepted, and she jumped happy of joy. He's an oldtimer in Rio, but he never regret he payed that amount of money.
Pay whatever you like! You might ruin to others, but you only live one time.[/QUOTE]I don't have the experience to fall back on being my first time, and my Portuguese is limited so it's a little difficult to haggle so to speak. But from what I've read I'm not the only one they are asking these prices. I see many of the top garotas ask r400-500 on Twitter and PA so they haven't tried to play me too badly LOL. And Sperto I've been lucky no danish cheese yet LOL.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2504498]... The bad part about could tell she wasn't as " cultured" she was super impressed with the view from my room and that turned me into a photographer. Then afterwards too. Then she tried to get me to pay for a taxi which I replied I know you have money I just gave it to you. Cache R1000 for 2 hours.[/QUOTE]Haha, reminds of my first experience in Bogota, exact same situation, took picture till it got quite irritating. And I couldn't get her to shut, or leave after the deeds.

Thanks for the intel. I am not on twitter so sharing some of those contacts here or via pm would be nice.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2504496]Agreed my man! But some of why'all hard core and if we pay above R300 they tell us we fuckin the market up. If she is in the ball park we can rock bcuz if I talk her down now she is just going out of necessity and I feel there would be a loss in quality of service and I hate to waste time and money. Money I'll waste bcuz all this is a waste of money as long as I leave smiling.[/QUOTE]You are not fucking up the market as price is what it is with these girls from the sites.

Not sure if Covid is factor with you but try some clinic and clubs as well.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2504534]Hit Connection night club last night.

They told me 800 are programa at Scandallo, accept 600 are, and half that price at Connection.

Had a great time![/QUOTE]Glad you had a great time. When I was there few weeks back, Scandallo girls were taking R400-500.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2504690]

Glad you had a great time. When I was there few weeks back, Scandallo girls were taking R400-500.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right, I was just sitting and talking with a few girls who work at both clubs, Scandallo and Connection, and they told me their thoughts, and asking prices.

I don't doubt that you could negotiate a better deal, as you say.

I also saw a couple girls, who told me they knew me from Casarao, LOL.

Speaking of Casarao, I stopped at Balneario the other day, which is located next door to Casarao, the manager told me that Casarao would open in December.

Hopefully that's true.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2504518]I had a good friend who found a girl at Help who wanted R$350 at that time. I told him he was stupid if he payed that amount, but he was horny and loves huge horse asses. He accepted, and she jumped happy of joy. He's an oldtimer in Rio, but he never regret he payed that amount of money.
Pay whatever you like! You might ruin to others, but you only live one time.[/QUOTE]Things were different 15-20 years ago. I certainly overpaid for some super hot Brasileiras who were lackluster performers. However, I also overpaid a couple times for hot Brasileiras who would go a couple rounds at night and then again in the morning. Some would just hang out the next day. That is far less common now.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2504690]You are not fucking up the market as price is what it is with these girls from the sites.

Not sure if Covid is factor with you but try some clinic and clubs as well.

Glad you had a great time. When I was there few weeks back, Scandallo girls were taking R400-500.[/QUOTE]I can dig it! LOL. Just tryna do right for the culture LOL. Yeah but it seems the Twitter / Splove / club model girls all asking for r500 outside of their flats / hotels. I'm hooking up with Sophia Ferrari tonight and she asked the same. There are some hotter garotas but I read on GP gua she is Argentinian and I always wanted to fuck an Argentinian LOL. And I think COVID is playing a factor I think they want to hit a couple home runs to limit the contact they have to have with hella costumers . Just an assumption but makes sense in my mine lol . Anybody in the city hit me up I’m here until Wednesday then off to Rio Wednesday morning

[URL]https://twitter.com/sophiaferrarisp?s=21[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kib123;2504563]Haha, reminds of my first experience in Bogota, exact same situation, took picture till it got quite irritating. And I couldn't get her to shut, or leave after the deeds.

Thanks for the intel. I am not on twitter so sharing some of those contacts here or via pm would be nice.[/QUOTE]Sure shoot me a message. But all 3 the 2 I have met and the third I will me are on SP love as well. Easy to find.

I'll be in town soon arrive Tuesday this will be my second time in Brazil likely spending most of my time at Scandallo again. Assessment of Scandallo the first time is great venue but chicks weren't superstars so I'm checking it out again to be fair. I've heard connection is good so I'll check it out Wednesday if its good it will be in the rotation. Not much of an escort guy sitting in room and ordering chicks is just boring to me so don't think I'll be doing that much. I do plan to check out clinicas this time as I didn't the first time so I'll give it a shot.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2504793]I'll be in town soon arrive Tuesday this will be my second time in Brazil likely spending most of my time at Scandallo again. Assessment of Scandallo the first time is great venue but chicks weren't superstars so I'm checking it out again to be fair. I've heard connection is good so I'll check it out Wednesday if its good it will be in the rotation. Not much of an escort guy sitting in room and ordering chicks is just boring to me so don't think I'll be doing that much. I do plan to check out clinicas this time as I didn't the first time so I'll give it a shot.[/QUOTE]If you think that you can get a true assessment of Scandallo now with a raging pandemic going on, no you're not being fair. Plenty of people, mongers and girls alike, are staying away from the scene until this thing settles down. Only when things return to normal can you obtain a sense of how great the talent at Scandallo can be. Only then can you make a "fair" assessment. How in the world do you think that you can do that in these times? Come on man. Get real. I have been to The Connection Nightclub, and wrote perhaps the first detailed report of that club in this thread. It was way on the other side of town from where I was staying, but definitely worth a visit. I will go again myself the next time I'm in Sampa.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2504793]I'll be in town soon arrive Tuesday this will be my second time in Brazil likely spending most of my time at Scandallo again. Assessment of Scandallo the first time is great venue but chicks weren't superstars so I'm checking it out again to be fair. I've heard connection is good so I'll check it out Wednesday if its good it will be in the rotation. [/QUOTE]Scandallo used to have superstars before the pandemic. Since then the place kinda went downhill but it still holds a special place in my heart. Go to Connection on a Wednesday. It's great.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2504793]I'll be in town soon arrive Tuesday this will be my second time in Brazil likely spending most of my time at Scandallo again. Assessment of Scandallo the first time is great venue but chicks weren't superstars so I'm checking it out again to be fair. I've heard connection is good so I'll check it out Wednesday if its good it will be in the rotation. Not much of an escort guy sitting in room and ordering chicks is just boring to me so don't think I'll be doing that much. I do plan to check out clinicas this time as I didn't the first time so I'll give it a shot.[/QUOTE]To each their own, this mongering game there is no right way. For me it's a bit awkward to be in a club with loud music tryna communicate in a language I don't know well. With that being said I will try Scandallo while I here. Part of why I like "ordering " escorts, 2 of the garotas I have had I been drooling over on Twitter for 2-3 months now and it was nice to bang them. The one tonight was the best because she is Argentinian and I was finally able to communicate and the pussy was goood. Part of my vacation is rest, so if I can call a baddie over drink some champagne, fuck then go to sleep without having to wait for Uber get back to hotel / apartment then like ice cube said today was a good day. Don Magic Juan used to say Chuch! Can't hate you can't hate.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2504900]The one tonight was the best because she is Argentinian and I was finally able to communicate and the pussy was goood.[/QUOTE]Were you with Argentine Yasmin Piovane by chance? She's very pretty and very popular. Yasmin was a blonde a few years back.

[QUOTE=TravelingMan3;2504793]I'll be in town soon arrive Tuesday this will be my second time in Brazil likely spending most of my time at Scandallo again. Assessment of Scandallo the first time is great venue but chicks weren't superstars so I'm checking it out again to be fair. I've heard connection is good so I'll check it out Wednesday if its good it will be in the rotation. Not much of an escort guy sitting in room and ordering chicks is just boring to me so don't think I'll be doing that much. I do plan to check out clinicas this time as I didn't the first time so I'll give it a shot.[/QUOTE]Please report back on both venues. The reports coming out of Scandallo have been very concerning, hopefully Connection picks up the slack. Such institutions thrive through a balance of supply and demand. If there are beautiful women there, wealthy patrons will visit. And if there are wealthy patrons there, beautiful women will show up to work.

It's a balance that is delicate at the best of times (see. Any gogo bar in Pattaya that has fallen into a death spiral after thriving for a period of time). I truly wish that the Covid hasn't done in Scandallo as well. My expectations were set sky high by this forum. Plentiful 8+ grade women, with a good chunk verging on 9, available at high concentrations, offering great service. That kind of establishment was unique on this planet, and I think recovering even to the point where its busy but with only 7's would be an absolute tragedy.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2504994]Were you with Argentine Yasmin Piovane by chance? She's very pretty and very popular. Yasmin was a blonde a few years back.[/QUOTE]No it was her friend Sophia Ferrari, but I'm going to try Yasmine too LOL. They are like sisters they know each other since childhood. I agree Yasmine is very pretty, Sophia and I had talked a bit on Twitter and she gave good vibes so I picked her but def going to fuck her best friend too. But Don’t get me wrong Sophia was no mud duck . I actually thought she was better than her photos maybe it was the make up . But great head , talked nasty when I sucked that pussy and even nastier when I gave the pau. Cache R500

[QUOTE=Rextor;2505013]I truly wish that the Covid hasn't done in Scandallo as well. My expectations were set sky high by this forum. Plentiful 8+ grade women, with a good chunk verging on 9, available at high concentrations, offering great service. That kind of establishment was unique on this planet, and I think recovering even to the point where its busy but with only 7's would be an absolute tragedy.[/QUOTE]Touching on Scandallo being "unique on this planet". Is it actually? I feel like there has to be other clubs around the world at that level. I'm sure major US cities have that level, albeit sky high prices. Perhaps the veterans can enlighten us; any similar places in South America, Asia, Europe? (pre-covid of course).

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505279]Touching on Scandallo being "unique on this planet". Is it actually? I feel like there has to be other clubs around the world at that level. I'm sure major US cities have that level, albeit sky high prices. Perhaps the veterans can enlighten us; any similar places in South America, Asia, Europe? (pre-covid of course).[/QUOTE]Places similar to Scandallo do exist. Perhaps not as grand, but bars and clubs frequented by primarily (or many) working girls are out there. This is the website to stay on top of the very fluid nature of these type of clubs.

Sadly, I think the globe is at a low point for these establishments. I miss the days of Help Disco (Rio) and Angel's Disco (Bangkok). I heard on this website Night Flight (Moscow) might be closed permanently. From what I understand, Thermae in Bangkok is still a decent freelancer pick-up joint.

You just have to keep up here.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2505474]Places similar to Scandallo do exist. Perhaps not as grand, but bars and clubs frequented by primarily (or many) working girls are out there. This is the website to stay on top of the very fluid nature of these type of clubs.

Sadly, I think the globe is at a low point for these establishments. I miss the days of Help Disco (Rio) and Angel's Disco (Bangkok). I heard on this website Night Flight (Moscow) might be closed permanently. From what I understand, Thermae in Bangkok is still a decent freelancer pick-up joint.

You just have to keep up here.[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Scandallo yet but Hong Kong in Tijuana has its share of beauties. And nothing beats that foam sho when they fuck each other with dildos.

I'm seeing what I been missing, why'all boys that been coming to Brazil living the life. Don't get me wrong I know the money is the main thing but these chicks are cool as fuck too. Got out a little today went to Avienda Paulista then went and seen Lilith Scarlett at her flat. She posts on PA but I also follower her on Twitter. Was a little heavier than I expected but still attractive, big tits big ole butt and speaks a little English although we communicated in my sorry Portuguese. Great sex tho, and she recorded a few moments on her cell phone. I like a big sexy girl every now and again, it's been a while so it was a nice change of pace LOL.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2505482]Haven't been to Scandallo yet but Hong Kong in Tijuana has its share of beauties. And nothing beats that foam sho when they fuck each other with dildos.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Though there's something about Tijuana that just seems dirty to me, like the city itself doesn't seem like a nice place to be. I've never been so I could be wrong. Sticking to Mexico though, I've been to Cesar's and Candy's in Guadalajara and the quality of girls at both those spots was shocking (in a good way). The establishments themselves don't compare to Scandallo but damn do the girls do!

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505528]Good to know. Though there's something about Tijuana that just seems dirty to me, like the city itself doesn't seem like a nice place to be. I've never been so I could be wrong. Sticking to Mexico though, I've been to Cesar's and Candy's in Guadalajara and the quality of girls at both those spots was shocking (in a good way). The establishments themselves don't compare to Scandallo but damn do the girls do![/QUOTE]Tijuana is dirty! Zona rosa when you want pussy during the day take a trip to Rosarito, puerto Nuevo, Ensenada, it's a bit of a ways out but great cheap food and margarita, look at the ocean and chill. Tijuana is not a vacation spot it's a 2-3 days max bust all the nuts you can and your out. But I have seen some gorgeous Mexican women in Hong Kong and adelitas next door. Hotels are connected to the clubs, make your selection, set your price and up you go.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505279]Touching on Scandallo being "unique on this planet". Is it actually? I feel like there has to be other clubs around the world at that level. I'm sure major US cities have that level, albeit sky high prices. Perhaps the veterans can enlighten us; any similar places in South America, Asia, Europe? (pre-covid of course).[/QUOTE]As WyattEarp said, there are indeed places like Scandallo. Including right there in Sao Paulo itself. Places like Cafe Photo, Bomboa, and Connection. At least when they were all open that is. The difference is that I have never been to a nice club of the size and scale of a Scandallo, and just packed to the brim with hotties! I mean, I have seen some babes in there you just have to see with your own eyes to believe. I mean, I'm sitting there looking at them, and I still can't believe my own eyes! I call Scandallo "the baddest puta palace on the planet", and I'm glad I've had the good fortune to be able to go there and experience it for myself. To have sexual access to so many beautiful women. So, sure there are other places, but I have not encountered another of the same magnitude and caliber anywhere else in the world. And although I have not literally been everywhere, I have been to a lot of cities around the globe, including most of the top mongering destinations. And that's a good lead-in to the United States. No, the United States absolutely does not have anything on the same level. Think about it. For one, except for a few small locales, prostitution in the United States is illegal remember? And in those places where it is legal, you're not going to find anything like a Scandallo. Believe me, I wish I was wrong. But, it is what it is. Come on with the vaccines. Come on!

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505279]Touching on Scandallo being "unique on this planet". Is it actually? I feel like there has to be other clubs around the world at that level. I'm sure major US cities have that level, albeit sky high prices. Perhaps the veterans can enlighten us; any similar places in South America, Asia, Europe? (pre-covid of course).[/QUOTE]Now I haven't been everywhere. But I've been almost everywhere. And I don't know of anywhere else in the world that can touch Scandallo for luxe venue with literally 150+ sevens and up. (Pre Covid) Used to love Manhattan in Shanghai — but maybe a third the scale (50 girls) and 1/10 as luxe. Now it's shut down due to Chinese crackdown on fun.

You mention the USA and I laughed out loud. Prostitution is illegal. Therefor there is nothing even vaguely like Scandallo.

Thailand had tons of girls but spread amongst many clubs rather than concentrated. And the optics level is quite variable.

Add to that that Brasileiras are unique in the world that they sem to live fully in the moment and will make you believe they enjoy every moment. I believe many do.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2505588]Now I haven't been everywhere. But I've been almost everywhere. And I don't know of anywhere else in the world that can touch Scandallo for luxe venue with literally 150+ sevens and up. (Pre Covid) Used to love Manhattan in Shanghai but maybe a third the scale (50 girls) and 1/10 as luxe. Now it's shut down due to Chinese crackdown on fun.

You mention the USA and I laughed out loud. Prostitution is illegal. Therefor there is nothing even vaguely like Scandallo.

Thailand had tons of girls but spread amongst many clubs rather than concentrated. And the optics level is quite variable.

Add to that that Brasileiras are unique in the world that they sem to live fully in the moment and will make you believe they enjoy every moment. I believe many do.[/QUOTE]Damn I was in Shanghai last year and missed out on Manhattan. Were the girls really top notch?

You're telling me there are no high end strip clubs in LA, NY, Miami that you can bang the girls in? Hard to believe but I could be wrong.

I heard Singapore had a magic place but didn't end up going at the time. Wish I did.

I also heard Santiago Chile has at least one high end place. Makes sense since they have a strong economy and a ton of recently arrived Venezuelans.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505593]Damn I was in Shanghai last year and missed out on Manhattan. Were the girls really top notch?

You're telling me there are no high end strip clubs in LA, NY, Miami that you can bang the girls in? Hard to believe but I could be wrong.

I heard Singapore had a magic place but didn't end up going at the time. Wish I did.

I also heard Santiago Chile has at least one high end place. Makes sense since they have a strong economy and a ton of recently arrived Venezuelans.[/QUOTE]Yep Manhattan was all that when it was running. I love Asians (and Latinas). So fifty 7+ in one tiny club and all want to fuck? Yeah it was great. I’d always go in promising myself I was gonna hold out and enjoy the girl buffet for at least a half hour. And invariably some hottie would seduce me and we’d be out the door in 15 minutes. LOL.

USA. Nope. The higher end the club the less likely you are to fuck. Strippers in the US have golden pussy syndrome. It they can make $1000 a night grinding on some geezer why in the world would they fuck for money. Detroit is by far your best bet for fucking in a strip club in the US. But you know the "champagne room". It's not like a room with a bed like you visualize in your head. It's a booth right next to another booth. US strip clubs suck if you have been to Germany London Brazil Moscow or pretty much anywhere else.

In Singapore you are thinking of Brix. Have friends that have been and it was great in the day but quite expensive (as all things in Singapore are).

[QUOTE=BMo814;2505482]Haven't been to Scandallo yet but Hong Kong in Tijuana has its share of beauties. And nothing beats that foam sho when they fuck each other with dildos.[/QUOTE]Having been to both, I will say if you liked Hong Kong, you will like Scandallo. Both are over the top, premium venues, the best in the area. A few differences I have noticed having been to Scandallo four times and Hong Kong twice:

Atmosphere: Hong Kong has more of a strip club vibe, with the girls dancing on the poles and the foam shows that you mentioned. Scandallo has more of a nightclub vibe, and the place is larger so it is possible to find somewhere quieter if you want to talk to a girl.

Waiters: My main complaint about Hong Kong is that the waiters were way too pushy with drinks, especially if you had a girl sit down with you. In Scandallo, the waiters will not annoy you constantly.

But overall, both places are awesome and I recommend anyone visiting to stop by and check the place out, even if it may be a bit over your budget. Every guy should experience what it is like to live like a King at least once in their life. On another note, it is a bit of a bummer to read that the talent level is not what it used to be, but hopefully once this pandemic is over, things will get back to the old normal.

On a side note, I also am curious as to when Cafe Photo and Bomboa will reopen. I have been considering going back to one of these places during my next trip to Brazil, but I would like intel first to see how things are different compared to before.

Hey BPalacio,

If you are reading, I just replied to your PM.

So fellas, I am planning to extend my stay here in SP but I am not sure if I should extend it through Christmas and New Year. I have read that normally during Christmas and New Year period, the clinicas don't have as many girls available as most girls will take time off. But as we all are aware, this year is different due to the pandemic. I would like to get opinions of what y'all think. I have met quite of few girls in the clinicas who told me they have started working in the puta business due to either lost of their regular job or a reduction in their salary or they were forced to return to Brazil from countries like Portugal, France, and Spain. Is it possible that girls will be hesitant to take time off during the holiday due to 1) fear of travel due to the virus 2) need for money more so than ever before?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2505650]Yep Manhattan was all that when it was running. I love Asians (and Latinas). So fifty 7+ in one tiny club and all want to fuck? Yeah it was great. Id always go in promising myself I was gonna hold out and enjoy the girl buffet for at least a half hour. And invariably some hottie would seduce me and wed be out the door in 15 minutes. LOL.

USA. Nope. The higher end the club the less likely you are to fuck. Strippers in the US have golden pussy syndrome. It they can make $1000 a night grinding on some geezer why in the world would they fuck for money. Detroit is by far your best bet for fucking in a strip club in the US. But you know the "champagne room". It's not like a room with a bed like you visualize in your head. It's a booth right next to another booth. US strip clubs suck if you have been to Germany London Brazil Moscow or pretty much anywhere else.

In Singapore you are thinking of Brix. Have friends that have been and it was great in the day but quite expensive (as all things in Singapore are).[/QUOTE]I'm also heavy into Latinas and Asians. I like big booties and breasts which is not hard to find on Latinas but on Asians that's a different story. After your description of Manhattan I'm super curious as to how the girls actually were in there. Good looking I'm sure, but were they curvy? Enhanced curvatures? I know China isn't known for breast implants or fat transfers but I did see this random girl on the street one day in China with a Kim Kardashian body. There was definitely no way her body was natural but goddamn did she look amazing. If this type of girl worked at Manhattan I'd be broke from spending all my money there. Did it seem like most girls were from China though or different parts of Asia?

I'd also like to ask you as a fellow Latina / Asian lover, which Asian countries do you think have the hottest girls? For me it has to be Vietnam.

[QUOTE=Rextor;2505013]Please report back on both venues. The reports coming out of Scandallo have been very concerning, hopefully Connection picks up the slack. Such institutions thrive through a balance of supply and demand. If there are beautiful women there, wealthy patrons will visit. And if there are wealthy patrons there, beautiful women will show up to work.

It's a balance that is delicate at the best of times (see. Any gogo bar in Pattaya that has fallen into a death spiral after thriving for a period of time). I truly wish that the Covid hasn't done in Scandallo as well. My expectations were set sky high by this forum. Plentiful 8+ grade women, with a good chunk verging on 9, available at high concentrations, offering great service. That kind of establishment was unique on this planet, and I think recovering even to the point where its busy but with only 7's would be an absolute tragedy.[/QUOTE]Connection and Scandallo has the same owner. Connection is slightly cheaper. But the top girls know they can make more money at Scandallo so they eventually end up there.

Scandallo during my visit had about 10 new girls every day, some worked elsewhere others never worked at all if they are telling the truth. So because of the pandemic many girls started prostitution because they lost their jobs or need to support their family. In any case, the girls are clients of the club also and girls are not turned away no matter what they look like.

Unless the girls go everyday, there is an entrance fee 250 R for the girls also so this weeds out many of the girls that simply cannot compete. So there are 8+ but do not be surprised to see some 5's also.

In terms of the girls' prices, everyone has there own value and price. Some girls quoted me 1000 R for 1 hour others 500 R, while some quoted 1000 R or 3000 R for the whole night. One thing for sure, they never forget how much you paid them in the past and will expect the same price each time.

On average last week, I paid 600 R for one hour or 1500 R for the whole day. Previous weeks, I was paying 500 R for one hour or 800 R for the night. If the girls knows you will give her more than just money such as gifts etc they will lower their prices.

Many girls told me they got 1000 R for one hour from gringos because they are willing to pay that price. So do not be price shocked when a girls ask for 1000 R since they have gotten that price in the past.

[URL]https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/video/ingles-paises-argentina-cuba-paraguay-costa-rica-chile-ranking-perspectivas-buenos-aires/[/URL]#.

Something that popped up on CNN español. I'm not going to beat a dead horse but for those that think there is a direct correlation between speaking English and making money. 2 of the top 5 countries maybe 3 with Paraguay that have people that speak the most English are some of the poorest nations.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2505767][URL]https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/video/ingles-paises-argentina-cuba-paraguay-costa-rica-chile-ranking-perspectivas-buenos-aires/[/URL]#.

Something that popped up on CNN espaol. I'm not going to beat a dead horse but for those that think there is a direct correlation between speaking English and making money. 2 of the top 5 countries maybe 3 with Paraguay that have people that speak the most English are some of the poorest nations.[/QUOTE]I think it goes without saying historically Latin America looks to the USA For the same reason, you will find people in Eastern Europe who can get by in German. In Prague in the early 90's, someone might ask you if you spoke English or German.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2505650]USA. Nope. The higher end the club the less likely you are to fuck. Strippers in the US have golden pussy syndrome. It they can make $1000 a night grinding on some geezer why in the world would they fuck for money. Detroit is by far your best bet for fucking in a strip club in the US. But you know the "champagne room". It's not like a room with a bed like you visualize in your head. It's a booth right next to another booth. US strip clubs suck if you have been to Germany London Brazil Moscow or pretty much anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Try explaining that to your Brazilian colleagues who want to visit a USA Strip club. They look at you like you're crazy when you tell them men give the girls money to give air dances six inches from their pecker. After you travel around the world, you start to think it's crazy.

I remember two young women. One was a Brazilian knockout I pulled out of Help in Rio. When we got back to my apartment, this Brasileira that I was paying $80 kept telling me how she would make that in a few minutes dancing in Miami. I told her "this isn't Miami princess". Her attitude lightened up, but she was not a great lay.

Another memory is this hot Russian girl who danced at a local strip club in my city. She had an attitude. She would tell me and my friends how lucky we were to have girls like her dance for us. I told her that if this was Moscow she would be going home with us. We never heard that nonsense from her again. We also would shoo her away when she came to our table.

So I suppose the lesson of these two stories is that the USA Strip club scene does give these women "golden pussy syndrome" whether they are born here or not.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2505681]I'm also heavy into Latinas and Asians. I like big booties and breasts which is not hard to find on Latinas but on Asians that's a different story. After your description of Manhattan I'm super curious as to how the girls actually were in there. Good looking I'm sure, but were they curvy? Enhanced curvatures? I know China isn't known for breast implants or fat transfers but I did see this random girl on the street one day in China with a Kim Kardashian body. There was definitely no way her body was natural but goddamn did she look amazing. If this type of girl worked at Manhattan I'd be broke from spending all my money there. Did it seem like most girls were from China though or different parts of Asia?

I'd also like to ask you as a fellow Latina / Asian lover, which Asian countries do you think have the hottest girls? For me it has to be Vietnam.[/QUOTE]So first of all on your last comment. I have been nearly everywhere. And whereas early in my career Asians all looked sorta Asian LOL I have grown to see the differences clearly. And IMO the most beautiful women in the world are Vietnamese.

And guess what? Manhattan (and Judy's) were exclusively Vietnamese. They'the fly over in a month visa, bag some guys and fly back. Paradise seeing so many 8 9 10. Oh and fucking them. LOL.

But no big tits and big booty. Just not a Viet thing. Koreans are most highly prized in Asia for milky skin and big tits. But I prefer the darker slim girls or Thailand and Vietnam.

BTW world_of_asians has a rolling Instagram of hot girls. Funny thing is I started following favorites and noticed a pattern. They are all Vietnamese!

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2505725]In terms of the girls' prices, everyone has there own value and price. Some girls quoted me 1000 R for 1 hour others 500 R, while some quoted 1000 R or 3000 R for the whole night. One thing for sure, they never forget how much you paid them in the past and will expect the same price each time.

On average last week, I paid 600 R for one hour or 1500 R for the whole day. Previous weeks, I was paying 500 R for one hour or 800 R for the night. If the girls knows you will give her more than just money such as gifts etc they will lower their prices.

Many girls told me they got 1000 R for one hour from gringos because they are willing to pay that price. So do not be price shocked when a girls ask for 1000 R since they have gotten that price in the past.[/QUOTE]God damn these prices are ridiculous. I went to Connection some weeks ago and I was quoted R400 from most girls I talked to. I set up a session.

With an 8 the next day at 11 am for R500 + uber. 11 am pasted and she was still in bed sleeping. I cancelled the session and she told me we should meet in the afternoon. I never did contact her again. Thank god, the 30 or so different clinicas I have been visiting 6 days a week have been keeping me completely satisfied of all the fucking I can handle, all shade of skin tone and shapes. More power to you guys who are willing to pay that amount for pussy. But for me, I'm comfortable with my daily clinica grind.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2505882]God damn these prices are ridiculous. I went to Connection some weeks ago and I was quoted R400 from most girls I talked to. I set up a session.

With an 8 the next day at 11 am for R500 + uber. 11 am pasted and she was still in bed sleeping. I cancelled the session and she told me we should meet in the afternoon. I never did contact her again. Thank god, the 30 or so different clinicas I have been visiting 6 days a week have been keeping me completely satisfied of all the fucking I can handle, all shade of skin tone and shapes. More power to you guys who are willing to pay that amount for pussy. But for me, I'm comfortable with my daily clinica grind.[/QUOTE]There are different spectrums of people that want to blow money at these high end places. Girls get tips for just sitting with the clients and not going the rooms. One girl got 1000 R from a Brazilian guy to just go home and not work for the night.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2505882]... But for me, I'm comfortable with my daily clinica grind.[/QUOTE]I've settled into an afternoon clinica routine myself. Girls regularly turn up at cinicas who are in the same league as the best Scandallo or Escort site girls. I feel no compulsion to drive to Scandallo or Connection in the dead of night with loads of cash.

My extra budget is better wasted on other luxuries like top-notch accomodation.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2505725]Unless the girls go everyday, there is an entrance fee 250 R for the girls also so this weeds out many of the girls that simply cannot compete. So there are 8+ but do not be surprised to see some 5's also.

In terms of the girls' prices, everyone has there own value and price. Some girls quoted me 1000 R for 1 hour others 500 R, while some quoted 1000 R or 3000 R for the whole night. One thing for sure, they never forget how much you paid them in the past and will expect the same price each time.

On average last week, I paid 600 R for one hour or 1500 R for the whole day. Previous weeks, I was paying 500 R for one hour or 800 R for the night. [/QUOTE]Have noticed during my visits, some girls that are regulars just enjoy hanging out at the club. They have regular customers that buy them food & drinks and weren't even interested in talking to another clients. For whatever reason, Sao Paulo is just more expensive than Rio and when try to hook up with Scandallo girl outside of club, the price doesn't get any lower unless you can do overnight stay or multiple hours.

[QUOTE=RonFromSichuan;2505655]Waiters: My main complaint about Hong Kong is that the waiters were way too pushy with drinks, especially if you had a girl sit down with you. In Scandallo, the waiters will not annoy you constantly.
Every guy should experience what it is like to live like a King at least once in their life. On another note, it is a bit of a bummer to read that the talent level is not what it used to be, but hopefully once this pandemic is over, things will get back to the old normal.[/QUOTE]One thing I loved about Scandallo was the staff. They were very accommodating and professional, absolutely no pressure. I felt so blessed to experienced Scandallo in my life time as mentioned. I was hoping all Instagram girls that I followed were working there and clearly was wrong, LOL.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2505882]More power to you guys who are willing to pay that amount for pussy. But for me, I'm comfortable with my daily clinica grind.[/QUOTE]So hitting clinica / massage parlor during the day and nightclubs at night been my game plan when mongering. Guess you can find some girls at clinica and hang out after hours but it gets so boring at night time where just have to go somewhere. Maybe I am still young in my middle 30's.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2505882] damn these prices are ridiculous. - clinicas I have been visiting 6 days a week have been keeping me completely satisfied of all the fucking I can handle, all shade of skin tone and shapes. More power to you guys who are willing to pay that amount for pussy. But for me, I'm comfortable with my daily clinica grind.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of very nice ladies at the numerous clinicas. I was there for a month in September and a few days of October. I had a smoking hot mestiça Japanese / Brazilian at a clinica 20 minutes away from Moema. The 1 hour session with her was only R200. Totally worth the price. Another mestiça was found and enjoyed 20 min. NE of Indianopolis. That place was only R150 for frequent visitors and 180 for everyone else. I got lucky with the price because I was drinking a water and talking with the owner / manager about clinica A2 in that area. He said they are the same. They had recently moved to this location and changed the name. So I got the better price (LOL a whole 30 reais).

Speaking about scandallo girls / prices. I talked with a girl for a few minutes at one of the local Moema places. I wanted to screen her more, so she sat down on the sofa. She spoke almost perfect english and was dressed much nicer than most clinica girls. She wore a tight fitting sexy dress with heels, had platinum blonde hair and blue eyes. I believe she said one of her parents was from Europe. She mentioned that she usually goes to scandallo. Here was a girl that was working for R100-130 for an hour session (total cost for us at this clinica is R180). She usually gets 600 or more reais at the club. The clinicas certainly do keep a man satisfied and at 20% of the cost. I definitely love the clinicas. I see another trip coming up in December.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2505966]There are plenty of very nice ladies at the numerous clinicas. I was there for a month in September and a few days of October. I had a smoking hot mestia Japanese / Brazilian at a clinica 20 minutes away from Moema. The 1 hour session with her was only R200. Totally worth the price. Another mestia was found and enjoyed 20 min. NE of Indianopolis. That place was only R150 for frequent visitors and 180 for everyone else. I got lucky with the price because I was drinking a water and talking with the owner / manager about clinica A2 in that area. He said they are the same. They had recently moved to this location and changed the name. So I got the better price (LOL a whole 30 reais).

Speaking about scandallo girls / prices. I talked with a girl for a few minutes at one of the local Moema places. I wanted to screen her more, so she sat down on the sofa. She spoke almost perfect english and was dressed much nicer than most clinica girls. She wore a tight fitting sexy dress with heels, had platinum blonde hair and blue eyes. I believe she said one of her parents was from Europe. She mentioned that she usually goes to scandallo. Here was a girl that was working for R100-130 for an hour session (total cost for us at this clinica is R180). She usually gets 600 or more reais at the club. The clinicas certainly do keep a man satisfied and at 20% of the cost. I definitely love the clinicas. I see another trip coming up in December.[/QUOTE]Many clinica girls work at the club afterwards. They have goals to buy a car or an apt and leave the biz. Some stay on because the money is too good or have no other motivation to do something else. Though I have met would be lawyers and doctors.

I go to scandello in hopes of meeting a perfect 10 girl in my eyes that is worth the price of entry 1500 R. Sometimes I talk to them for 3 hours before doing anything, just can't do that a clinica.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2505966]So I got the better price (LOL a whole 30 reais).

Speaking about scandallo girls / prices. I talked with a girl for a few minutes at one of the local Moema places. I wanted to screen her more, so she sat down on the sofa. She spoke almost perfect english and was dressed much nicer than most clinica girls. She wore a tight fitting sexy dress with heels, had platinum blonde hair and blue eyes. I believe she said one of her parents was from Europe. She mentioned that she usually goes to scandallo. Here was a girl that was working for R100-130 for an hour session (total cost for us at this clinica is R180). She usually gets 600 or more reais at the club. The clinicas certainly do keep a man satisfied and at 20% of the cost. I definitely love the clinicas. I see another trip coming up in December.[/QUOTE]Yes the 30 reais saving doesn't seem like that much but I fuck a lot and go through a lot of clinica girls and the savings do add up. As for the whole scandallo vs clinica pricing, I met several girls in the clinicas who had been working in Europe (Portugal, France, Spain, UK) charging hundreds of Euros per session but had to come back to Brazil due to the pandemic and now I get to fuck them for $30. It just goes to show you, for the most part its the location that determines how much a girl is worth. Some guys are willing to pay the higher price and honestly, I get it. Places like Scandallo and Connection are fancy and are great options for a fun night out of drinking, socializing and fucking. But I'm a much simpler guy. There is a pretty high turn over rate in some of the clinicas and they have a steady incoming of new young girls, some as young as 18,19, 20 year olds. But honestly, I not going in the clinicas expecting to find model-like 8's and 9's (although there are some scattered throughout all the clinicas. The clinicas are a grind because you have to visit each clinica multiple times and at different hours of the day. Some girls only work certain hours and / or on certain days. I recently sessioned with a young thick 20 why / o mulata last Saturday. It was her first day and she told me she will only work on saturdays. Last Sunday, I sessioned with another beautiful slim 20 why / o morena. It was her first day as well and she also told me she can only come on the weekends.). I am ok with fucking 7's and the occasional 8's because the majority of the sessions have been great to excellent. Almost everyday I come out of the clinicas and I say to myself I have to extend my stay, there are just too many good pussy. LOL.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2505788]Try explaining that to your Brazilian colleagues who want to visit a USA Strip club. They look at you like you're crazy when you tell them men give the girls money to give air dances six inches from their pecker. After you travel around the world, you start to think it's crazy.

I remember two young women. One was a Brazilian knockout I pulled out of Help in Rio. When we got back to my apartment, this Brasileira that I was paying $80 kept telling me how she would make that in a few minutes dancing in Miami. I told her "this isn't Miami princess". Her attitude lightened up, but she was not a great lay.

Another memory is this hot Russian girl who danced at a local strip club in my city. She had an attitude. She would tell me and my friends how lucky we were to have girls like her dance for us. I told her that if this was Moscow she would be going home with us. We never heard that nonsense from her again. We also would shoo her away when she came to our table.

So I suppose the lesson of these two stories is that the USA Strip club scene does give these women "golden pussy syndrome" whether they are born here or not.[/QUOTE]All American women have that golden pussy syndrome. You have to date an American non-pro X amount of times before you can get laid. Decades ago in Bangkok I met this Thai non pro; we chatted and I took her out to lunch. Afterwards I did some touristy things by myself and when I got back to my hotel she was waiting for me in the lobby.

[QUOTE=XXL;2505919]I've settled into an afternoon clinica routine myself. Girls regularly turn up at cinicas who are in the same league as the best Scandallo or Escort site girls. I feel no compulsion to drive to Scandallo or Connection in the dead of night with loads of cash.

My extra budget is better wasted on other luxuries like top-notch accomodation.[/QUOTE]Its reading posts like this that has caused me never to have visited Scandallo in all my visits to SP.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2506035]Its reading posts like this that has caused me never to have visited Scandallo in all my visits to SP.[/QUOTE]And what about the guys like me who say that what ABG used to peddle just wasn't true? That on average, the women in the clinicas look as good as the ones at Scandallo? I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. No, what it comes down to is that some guys just don't want to spend the money. That's what the issue is. And so then they convince themselves that they're getting the same thing for less. No they aren't! Just admit that you don't want to spend the money. That, I can respect. But when it comes to women, not only have I been told I have taste. I know I do. And there is no way in hell that the clinicas have the same kind of talent looks-wise that a Scanadallo does when the place is on. Not even close. Could be some change going on now with the pandemic. I don't know. But I do know good looking women when I see them. And if you want to see some too, then go to Scandallo once this pandemic is over and things return to normal. Now if you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, well then that's another thing. But don't think for a minute that the clinicas can compete with Scandallo when it comes to the optics. Oh, and I've been quite satisfied with the performances of my Scandallo tutes as well.

This is why I report and read ISG, we all have different techniques. I ordered GP's off Twitter for 4 days in SP. Got to to smash a few I been drooling over. I'm not a big fan of CLínicas / casa de citas. I see dream is. The big dawg Cane loved Scandallo, we all leave SP happy. The new reader gets to come here and make his decision on how he wants to do it. I got the chance to see Rayane Souza from Twitter yesterday. What a body if you like them thick. I'm sure it's a surgeon hand and not God but she was hot r1350 for 3 hours. BTW Hilton Morumbi is GP friendly. There is something that says they have to register or something but I didn't register any of them, just walked in, I'the meet them in the lobby or outside we come in and up to the room. I will try Scandallo when I return from Rio and maybe a CLínica just to do it. We all got different budgets and that cool it's plenty choices for all of us. Problem for me is that damn Twitter I'm probably following 50 bitches I want. When I go back I have a light weight dupla already set up with Antonella de Mari and Bella Salgado. BTW price comes up a lot on here idk if it's Americans but some of this Gp's getting iPhone 12's and shit from guys so it's she ask for r400-500 it's in ya budget spend that shit and don't think twice. I loved Sp I went to some restaurant Terraza Rooftop holy shit I think you probably can collect some numbers there if you have any portugués skill. There were groups of gorgeous women. I was with a date but the girl next to me was eye fuckin the shit out of me.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2506093]This is why I report and read ISG, we all have different techniques. I ordered GP's off Twitter for 4 days in SP. Got to to smash a few I been drooling over. I'm not a big fan of CLnicas / casa de citas. I see dream is. The big dawg Cane loved Scandallo, we all leave SP happy. The new reader gets to come here and make his decision on how he wants to do it.[/QUOTE]I just get annoyed when somebody truly in a position to decide for himself would rather just listen to one side of the story, and not even go to check it out for himself. Now, if somebody actually went to Scandallo and didn't like it, or if they went and thought it was good but didn't want to pay Scandallo prices, OK. But to just take one side and discount everything that the other side is saying, without even trying to investigate you yourself when you have every opportunity to do so, just seems myopic to me. Scandallo! The baddest puta palace on the planet! At least pre-pandemic LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2506097]I just get annoyed when somebody truly in a position to decide for himself would rather just listen to one side of the story, and not even go to check it out for himself. Now, if somebody actually went to Scandallo and didn't like it, or if they went and thought it was good but didn't want to pay Scandallo prices, OK. But to just take one side and discount everything that the other side is saying, without even trying to investigate you yourself when you have every opportunity to do so, just seems myopic to me. Scandallo! The baddest puta palace on the planet! At least pre-pandemic LOL![/QUOTE]I fully intended to see what you talking about. Your an established poster and I know you tell no lies LOL. Also I still can see one blonde you posted a photo of in my head LOL. One of the finest chicks I seen in my life and you know I'm not lying because I dm'the what one like that cost pernoite LOL. We all got different budgets and like you said just say you don't want to pay, I don't mind dropping $150 for a couple hours of a gorgeous woman deep throating me, talking nasty as fuck, dancing around. Of all the places I been haven't did SEA yet Brazil is hands down the best. Best looking women, best sex and they are cool and nice as fuck. I'm a single traveler I don't get lonely but company is nice and these broads almost seem to enjoy the dates not just look at it as work.

All the Twitter chicks been tagging me in their post now GPS in my dm flirting asking can they tag me in their twitter post. It's a nsfw account no friends or family but I don't really give a fuck anyway.

Man this week there has been an flux of new girls in a lot of the clinicas. It may be that the holiday is coming up and the girls are looking to make some holiday money. I don't really know as I have never stayed in SP around this time of year. So I have decided that I am going to extend my stay through the New Year. There are too many girls I want to fuck but haven't yet. And the repeat list keep getting longer by the day.

Yesterday was truly my lucky day. A sweetheart 20 year old cutie returned to work after being gone for 2 months. She was looking after her mother who became very ill. I told her I thought she was gone for good. Our first session before she stopped working (not even 1 week into the start of her work) I decided to take it real slow with her and spent the first 30 minutes making out & getting a BBBJ from her and the remainder of the session eating her out. And days later, puff, she's gone. I have regretted ever since. So yesterday on our second session we continued where we left off nearly two months ago. We fucked like two love birds.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2506065]And what about the guys like me who say that what ABG used to peddle just wasn't true? That on average, the women in the clinicas look as good as the ones at Scandallo? I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. No, what it comes down to is that some guys just don't want to spend the money. That's what the issue is. And so then they convince themselves that they're getting the same thing for less. No they aren't! Just admit that you don't want to spend the money. That, I can respect. But when it comes to women, not only have I been told I have taste. I know I do. And there is no way in hell that the clinicas have the same kind of talent looks-wise that a Scanadallo does when the place is on. Not even close. Could be some change going on now with the pandemic. I don't know. But I do know good looking women when I see them. And if you want to see some too, then go to Scandallo once this pandemic is over and things return to normal. Now if you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, well then that's another thing. But don't think for a minute that the clinicas can compete with Scandallo when it comes to the optics. Oh, and I've been quite satisfied with the performances of my Scandallo tutes as well.[/QUOTE]Mr. Cane you are quite right, its the money. I don't want to pay triple or more at Scandallo for the same girls I can get at a clinica and too many posters here have said that that is the case. Please lets leave ABG out of this, he is not here to defend himself.

Nevertheless, I have had every intention of visiting that august club in my next visit, whenever that may be. But even you will agree that recent posts by boots on the ground now are suggesting that the talent at Scandallo has declined significantly and the club is just not what it was pre covid.

I will continue to monitor the situation at Scandallo and hope that it attains its former glory by the time of my next visit in which case I will indeed fork out those extra reals to see for myself what the noise is all about. I am indeed grateful to you and others for giving your sides of the story.

I was in Brazil (RJ / SP) for about a month back in October and loved my time. Half the establishments were closed but I still make due with what I had. I linked up with my 10 who I've stayed in contact through the last 2 years and we had a blast. I was one of the reports stating that Scandallo has dropped in talent during this pandemic. I'm guessing all the talent flocked over to Connection or decided to stay at home.

However the holidays are coming up and a girl's got to eat. I booked a month long trip to return back to Brazil for December-January so I will hit the ground running and smashing puta left and right. I'll let this forum know how Scandallo is and if there has been any improvement since the last time I was there. Let's hope that the 2 month hiatus and the holidays will drive some talent in there. I, for one, don't mind paying for talent. I just don't think the talent was there the last time I was in Scandallo.

My Brazilian friend in Rio tells me that he thinks Rio will have another lockdown after this Sunday's municipal election. He sounds pretty confident. He thinks SP will be in lockdown as well. Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts?

I couldn't find anything's about a possible lockdown when I goggled. Quite the opposite, the US is now considering letting travelers from Brazil to enter the US.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2506000]Yes the 30 reais saving doesn't seem like that much but I fuck a lot and go through a lot of clinica girls and the savings do add up. As for the whole scandallo vs clinica pricing .....
It just goes to show you, for the most part its the location that determines how much a girl is worth. Some guys are willing to pay the higher price and honestly, I get it. Places like Scandallo and Connection are fancy and are great options for a fun night out of drinking, socializing and fucking .....
Almost everyday I come out of the clinicas and I say to myself I have to extend my stay, there are just too many good pussy. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you know I was only joking about the 30 reais. (however, for them at the clinica and considering it's 'their' currency, it is a discount). Right now for us travelers, with the current ex rates, its only a few dollars/euros. Heck, if the rate was around 1. 8 to 1, like back in 2008, then it really adds up. Also, like you said, if you are banging multiple chicks per day then it adds up ever faster. It also depends on how much time you spend there and how often you get to visit. Sometimes I go for a month while other times 2 weeks. Plus I tend to go twice a year when I'm stateside so it's not a big deal.

Speaking of clubs/clinicas, etc, back in the late 2000's I banged a girl in the afternoon for 150, two hours-two sessions. I had originally met her someplace else and took her number, so this was a programa set by sms. Anyway, while at the apartment she told me she normally works at Barbarellas for 400 reais (this was in Rio). Like you said, just goes to show you. In all of these years after visiting both SP and Rio dozens of times, I never had the desire to go inside Barbarellas. I don't think it's worth the price they ask while inside. Besides, plenty of girls all over the place.

Another thing about the clubs, sure it can be fun if you are with a few buddies or just enjoy that atmosphere. But the costs are up. If I go to a place like Scandallo and Bomboa for example, it's just to mingle and get phone numbers for later. I think it's a waste of money to pay R230 (or whatever the rate is) for the room. There are plenty of sexy young things in the clinicas and on the sites to make a guy happy.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2506281]Man this week there has been an flux of new girls in a lot of the clinicas. It may be that the holiday is coming up and the girls are looking to make some holiday money. I don't really know as I have never stayed in SP around this time of year. So I have decided that I am going to extend my stay through the New Year. There are too many girls I want to fuck but haven't yet. And the repeat list keep getting longer by the day.[/QUOTE]Yes, most likely more girls are coming back now because of the holiday season, plus a lot of them had months off with little or no money coming in, and they are finally more comfortable with going back to work. Either way it's good news.

Speaking of being comfortable, I have buddies that are still afraid or uneasy to go and want to wait until next year. They have to wait and can only enjoy the stories and whatever photos I share with them.

Your post made me laugh because many times I also end up extending my trips. The previous trip, just 2 months ago, I extended for 11 days. Three years ago I ended up staying for 35 days for a trip that was originally only 3 weeks. That trip was split. SP first, then Rio, and back for a week at SP. I was having such a good time I had to extend 2 more weeks. I was using miles too so it was an easy swap of the return date.

I just booked another trip for next week. Now it's just a matter of which hotel (over AirBnB). In the past I stayed at The Bourbon Convention which was really nice. It was around 400 reais a night. Now it's showing for half that price. But I want to choose another hotel to mix it up and see some new restaurants & bars as well.

Keep the girls warm.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2506439]My Brazilian friend in Rio tells me that he thinks Rio will have another lockdown after this Sunday's municipal election. He sounds pretty confident. He thinks SP will be in lockdown as well. Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts?

I couldn't find anything's about a possible lockdown when I goggled. Quite the opposite, the US is now considering letting travelers from Brazil to enter the US.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo governor is pushing ahead with the China vaccine, they received couple of million doses already so I doubt SP will be lockdown again.

Brazil trip happening in one week so I started my system of finding a girl for the weekend to keep me company in São Paulo. I prefer this system since I am a quality over quantity guy and I have the budget to pay for it. Anyway, I started looking at all the sites approx two weeks before my trip and use a shotgun style method of blasting messages to all the ones that fit my type. Most don't respond as they are fake and some stop responding after my offer of spending the weekend. Once I get them interested in my offer, I state my requirements and proceed from there. Price is negotiated and I see if they will maintain a conversation till we meet so as to get to know each other better. That is the test. If the girl is truly interested, then she will keep a conversation going. I can now pretty much tell how she is going to be in person thru the messages. I usually have 5/6 different conversations going before arrival and I start weeding those out as the days get closer to my trip. Girls who don't respond for days get tossed, girls who respond only with emojis get tossed and girls whose normal pictures look nothing like their profile get tossed. Yea it is time consuming but worth it at the end as I get a girl who is really into what she does and excited to spend the weekend with me which means better in bed.

This time, I used the same system and ended up with a few different girls all interested in spending the weekend and all maintaining conversations. I was stumped. It never happens like this. So, I had two at the top of my list and decided to shoot for something I had never done. Two girls all weekend who didn't know each other yet would enjoy playing with each other. These were my picks:

[URL]https://www.clubmodel.com.br/acompanhantes-sp/laura-bernardi[/URL]

[URL]https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/marina/[/URL]

Now the challenge was to get them together. The first one (Laura) said she loves girls and is bi and tried to find someone for us. But I didn't want that, I wanted these two together. So, I rejected every girl she bought and then asked the other (Marina) if she enjoyed girls. And she sure did. She is also bi. So, conversations ensued, pictures exchanged and both are now ready for the weekend ahead. All three of us are on a chat thread together and we are discussing food and drink and weekend plans.

Sure, this is going to cost some cash. Maybe too much but oh well. I have been home for a long time and got money saved from not spending on anything else. Plus I need a fucking break from all the corona bullshit and I want to let it all hang out.

Trip report to come from São Paulo next weekend.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2506543]Sao Paulo governor is pushing ahead with the China vaccine, they received couple of million doses already so I doubt SP will be lockdown again.[/QUOTE]
Wait and see what'll happen...

[QUOTE=Sperto;2506593]Wait and see what'll happen...[/QUOTE]I told you sperto, they ain't giving up easily LOL. The plane from SP to Rio was full! You know Brazilians better than I do, you know they don't want to stay home and the governor knows it too. I heard they took it more serious in SP than Rio but that's just as bad if all the paulistas come to Rio and then go back to SP. I respect everyone and every reason that someone wouldn't come now but like that Amazon commercial with the little girl dancing says at the end. The show must go on LOL. FYI I probably wouldn't have came if it wasn't for the pandemic and went back to Medellin, unless I get sick and die I damn near want to thank COVID 19 LOL. I say that in jest but I'm fuckin loving Brasil I'm the dumb one sperto for not having came already.

It's like the bag of lay's can't just have one. I'm light weight stressed figuring who imma bang with I get back to sp LOL. I have a little cutie all in my Twitter dms name Isabella T telling them all the things she wants to do to me. Another one I met on the first leg of the trip even gave me her personal WhatsApp and been writing me checking on me in Rio. And every time I open up that Twitter it's one I see sucking dick or giving up the see you that makes me want her LOL. I'm going all out my last three days of sp, anyone know how to start an Iv?! I might need it on my way to the airport after what I'm going to do once I get back to SP. Ótimo noite irmãos.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2506093] I loved Sp I went to some restaurant Terraza Rooftop holy shit I think you probably can collect some numbers there if you have any portugus skill. There were groups of gorgeous women. I was with a date but the girl next to me was eye fuckin the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]Not many mentions on restaurants especially establishments to take dates to, Got to eat in-between sessions. LOL.

Good taste in food and ([URL]http://terrazzarooftop.com/[/URL]) rooftop restaurant, yes there plenty hotties. You may also find equally pleasing at the Unique Hotel Skye Bar ([URL]https://www.hotelunique.com/pt/restaurante-bar/skye/[/URL]) and the Sutton Sao Paulo. Pre-COVID I was amazed at the sights.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2506502]Yes, most likely more girls are coming back now because of the holiday season, plus a lot of them had months off with little or no money coming in, and they are finally more comfortable with going back to work. Either way it's good news.

Speaking of being comfortable, I have buddies that are still afraid or uneasy to go and want to wait until next year. They have to wait and can only enjoy the stories and whatever photos I share with them.

Your post made me laugh because many times I also end up extending my trips. The previous trip, just 2 months ago, I extended for 11 days. Three years ago I ended up staying for 35 days for a trip that was originally only 3 weeks. That trip was split. SP first, then Rio, and back for a week at SP. I was having such a good time I had to extend 2 more weeks. I was using miles too so it was an easy swap of the return date.[/QUOTE]So had the chance to ask a receptionist at one of the clinicas and confirmed that from Christmas to New Year, the clinicas have a limited lineup. She told me after Jan. 4th is when all the girls will come back to work. I am still debating how long I should extend til. I'm kinda leaning towards after Christmas but before New Year.

For guys in their 60's or older I can understand why they would be afraid as they are in the more vulnerable group. I can't tell what other people to do, but for me, I'm in my prime years and I've made up my minds 3 years ago that I'm going to enjoy life to the fullest. I ain't going to wait till I retire, relying on blue pills to keep an erection. I don't want to waste what I have now. Sure that day when I'm old, bald and wrinkly will eventually come, when the girls have to pretend that enjoy the sex with me. That will truly be a sorrowful day for me when it arrives. Maybe then will I settle down a bit and get me a long term GF.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2506462]Speaking of clubs/clinicas, etc, back in the late 2000's I banged a girl in the afternoon for 150, two hours-two sessions. I had originally met her someplace else and took her number, so this was a programa set by sms. Anyway, while at the apartment she told me she normally works at Barbarellas for 400 reais (this was in Rio). Like you said, just goes to show you. In all of these years after visiting both SP and Rio dozens of times, I never had the desire to go inside Barbarellas. I don't think it's worth the price they ask while inside. Besides, plenty of girls all over the place.

Another thing about the clubs, sure it can be fun if you are with a few buddies or just enjoy that atmosphere. But the costs are up. If I go to a place like Scandallo and Bomboa for example, it's just to mingle and get phone numbers for later. I think it's a waste of money to pay R230 (or whatever the rate is) for the room. There are plenty of sexy young things in the clinicas and on the sites to make a guy happy.[/QUOTE]I have walked pass by Barbarellas many times when I used to frequent Rio a lot. Never felt the urge to go there. That place is a straight up trap. Never visited any of the termas in Copacabana or Ipanema. Hell I couldn't even tell you where they are if you asked me. But I ddi frequent the termas in Centro and Mosaico in VM. Sadly, the talent level has really dropped off in the last couple of years.

Speaking for myself, if I want to splurge, I could and have meet escorts on SPlove and Clubmodel. Plenty of 8's and 9's. Normal price is around R400 for incall all inclusive. No need to pay cover fee, have girls ask you to buy drinks for them, or paying extra to use a room.

And your statement "There are plenty of sexy young things in the clinicas and on the sites to make a guy happy" is the statement of the year! Cheers my friend.

Nicole and Victoria are 2 girls with big booties but still curvy bodies in this clinica. I can recommend both of them.

Working girls in Brazil are cool. 9 out of 10 are out to do their best and satisfy the client. Hardly any playing princess, except maybe in high-end clubs.

Covid brewing again in the background in Sao Paulo. Heading for another lockdown. Time to collect girls' Whatsapps in case they close the casas.

Anyways, no extension beyond 90 days for EU-Schengen guys like me so it must be good-bye Brazil by the end of December. Retaliatory visa policy. One EU guy is not allowed to have his Brazilian sweetheart over long-term, and another EU-guy is not allowed to spend his pension money long-term in Brazil. Lose-lose.

I don't want to spread rumors or cause panic for people who are coming to Brazil in December but covid19 casas are on the rise in most of the states in Brazil. According to [URL]riotimesonline.com[/URL], a reliable English news outlet on Brazil, published an article stating that the SP governor could reinstate restrictions to contain the surge. I myself was thinking about extending my stay in SP until Christmas or so but now I'll have to regroup and rethink it through again. Damn 2020!

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2506680]Not many mentions on restaurants especially establishments to take dates to, Got to eat in-between sessions. LOL.

Good taste in food and ([URL]http://terrazzarooftop.com/[/URL]) rooftop restaurant, yes there plenty hotties. You may also find equally pleasing at the Unique Hotel Skye Bar ([URL]https://www.hotelunique.com/pt/restaurante-bar/skye/[/URL]) and the Sutton Sao Paulo. Pre-COVID I was amazed at the sights.[/QUOTE]The pros are there all the time, they're to work.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2505725]Connection and Scandallo has the same owner. Connection is slightly cheaper. But the top girls know they can make more money at Scandallo so they eventually end up there.

Scandallo during my visit had about 10 new girls every day, some worked elsewhere others never worked at all if they are telling the truth. So because of the pandemic many girls started prostitution because they lost their jobs or need to support their family. In any case, the girls are clients of the club also and girls are not turned away no matter what they look like.

Unless the girls go everyday, there is an entrance fee 250 R for the girls also so this weeds out many of the girls that simply cannot compete. So there are 8+ but do not be surprised to see some 5's also.

In terms of the girls' prices, everyone has there own value and price. Some girls quoted me 1000 R for 1 hour others 500 R, while some quoted 1000 R or 3000 R for the whole night. One thing for sure, they never forget how much you paid them in the past and will expect the same price each time.

On average last week, I paid 600 R for one hour or 1500 R for the whole day. Previous weeks, I was paying 500 R for one hour or 800 R for the night. If the girls knows you will give her more than just money such as gifts etc they will lower their prices.

Many girls told me they got 1000 R for one hour from gringos because they are willing to pay that price. So do not be price shocked when a girls ask for 1000 R since they have gotten that price in the past.[/QUOTE]Or they remember the price paid before, and ask for double and sometimes triple the price a few days later or months later when you want to meet again.

I was chatting with a girl on Whatsapp who used to work at Bomboa and Scandallo the other day. She said that Bomboa had re-opened this past Tuesday 24-Nov.

It's at a new location and is now called [B]Bomboa 40[/B] (formerly Bomboa 222). It's located in Itaim Bibi at Rua Andre Goncalves 40. The new location is smaller than the previous Bomboa.

Had another friend send Whatsapp to their management and they said prices are [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE] entrance with total consumption. Rooms are [NOPARSE]R$170[/NOPARSE] and take out fee is [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE]. Seems better to just take the girl out and back to your place. Girls asking price is negotiable like the previous Bomboa.

Website has minimal info:

[URL]https://bomboa40.com.br/[/URL]

Hey anyone in Sao Paulo know what's up with:

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]

They seem to be off-line.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2507073]I was chatting with a girl on Whatsapp who used to work at Bomboa and Scandallo the other day. She said that Bomboa had re-opened this past Tuesday 24-Nov.
It's at a new location and is now called [B]Bomboa 40[/B] (formerly Bomboa 222). It's located in Itaim Bibi at Rua Andre Goncalves 40. The new location is smaller than the previous Bomboa.
Had another friend send Whatsapp to their management and they said prices are [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE] entrance with total consumption. Rooms are [NOPARSE]R$170[/NOPARSE] and take out fee is [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE]. Seems better to just take the girl out and back to your place. Girls asking price is negotiable like the previous Bomboa.
Website has minimal info:
[URL]https://bomboa40.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. Bomboa is an attraction and the price is ok too. You are right, taking the girl back to your room will be much more fun and a more relaxed.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2507073]I was chatting with a girl on Whatsapp who used to work at Bomboa and Scandallo the other day. She said that Bomboa had re-opened this past Tuesday 24-Nov.

It's at a new location and is now called [B]Bomboa 40[/B] (formerly Bomboa 222). It's located in Itaim Bibi at Rua Andre Goncalves 40. The new location is smaller than the previous Bomboa.

Had another friend send Whatsapp to their management and they said prices are [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE] entrance with total consumption. Rooms are [NOPARSE]R$170[/NOPARSE] and take out fee is [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE]. Seems better to just take the girl out and back to your place. Girls asking price is negotiable like the previous Bomboa.

Website has minimal info:

[URL]https://bomboa40.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Loving this report. I'll be back in Sao Paulo in 2 weeks and will check this spot out. Will write a report on my thoughts when I swing by there. I've been wanting to find another club besides Scandallo and Connection and am glad to hear Bomboa decided to join the mix.

If you're planning on using Photo Acompanhantes a lot don't go to SP during the weekends. Most garotas or whoever is dispatching take the weekends off. You'll see a lot of whatsapp contacts being offline during the weekend. That was a surprise for me.

Otherwise SP was alright. The boate scene seems dead. I only tried 2028 Bar Augusta and it was a joke. It was empty at night. They told me to come back at 10 PM but I didn't. For clinicas I stuck to Tangara which had alright looking women, and Photo Acompanhantes. Spent more time in Rio which I loved. Will post a note on that thread of my experience.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2507378]If you're planning on using Photo Acompanhantes a lot don't go to SP during the weekends. Most garotas or whoever is dispatching take the weekends off. You'll see a lot of whatsapp contacts being offline during the weekend. That was a surprise for me.

Otherwise SP was alright. The boate scene seems dead. I only tried 2028 Bar Augusta and it was a joke. It was empty at night. They told me to come back at 10 PM but I didn't. For clinicas I stuck to Tangara which had alright looking women, and Photo Acompanhantes. Spent more time in Rio which I loved. Will post a note on that thread of my experience.[/QUOTE]What do you call night? In SP 10 pm is super early at the Boates. 12 am it's rocking. 4 Am its still going strong. Before ten? Don't bother.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2507396]What do you call night? In SP 10 pm is super early at the Boates. 12 am it's rocking. 4 Am its still going strong. Before ten? Don't bother.[/QUOTE]Do you mean pre-COVID? I remember it was like that but right now the scene is pretty dead. I'm not counting Cafe Photo or Scandaloo.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2507399]Do you mean pre-COVID? I remember it was like that but right now the scene is pretty dead. I'm not counting Cafe Photo or Scandaloo.[/QUOTE]Yes. My experience is pre Covid. But I don't think the culture has changed. The party starts late in Brazil. I went to a club in CDS at ten and there was not a single girl. By 11 there were 15. This was a small club but 10 is just early everywhere. Went to a club in Campinas at ten and I was literally the only guy in the place! (8 girls).

Just sayin don't judge anything at or before ten pm.

[QUOTE=AznSafado;2507073]I was chatting with a girl on Whatsapp who used to work at Bomboa and Scandallo the other day. She said that Bomboa had re-opened this past Tuesday 24-Nov.

It's at a new location and is now called [B]Bomboa 40[/B] (formerly Bomboa 222). It's located in Itaim Bibi at Rua Andre Goncalves 40. The new location is smaller than the previous Bomboa.

Had another friend send Whatsapp to their management and they said prices are [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE] entrance with total consumption. Rooms are [NOPARSE]R$170[/NOPARSE] and take out fee is [NOPARSE]R$150[/NOPARSE]. Seems better to just take the girl out and back to your place. Girls asking price is negotiable like the previous Bomboa.

Website has minimal info:

[URL]https://bomboa40.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Their old site is down, they should have redirected to the new site.

Smaller, wonder how many girls are there. I'll see next week.

I only met one girl in Scandallo that told me she use to be at Bomboa, no idea where they all went.

Many girls from Cafe Photo at Scandallo now.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28A2LK[/URL]

So places have to close earlier now they are in yellow zone.

Does not affect Scandallo unless the city turns to red zone, don't know about the clinicas.

50 k new cases 2 days ago, second wave.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2507671]Their old site is down, they should have redirected to the new site.

Smaller, wonder how many girls are there. I'll see next week.

I only met one girl in Scandallo that told me she use to be at Bomboa, no idea where they all went.

Many girls from Cafe Photo at Scandallo now.[/QUOTE]What's the latest on Cafe Photo? Is it coming back or what? Hottest piece of ass I found in Sampa last time was at Cafe Photo, and she was a good fuck too. And great to see that Bomboa is still kicking!

Got to fuck on this lovely today I thought she looked better than the photos. And sucked a damn good dick. Was tryna get a dupla with Antonella de Mari and Bella Salgado but they were talking some stupid prices. Smh.

[URL]https://twitter.com/deusa_loira20?s=21[/URL]

This is my first trip to Sao Paulo and I have a bunch of questions. I can't send private messages yet, so please don't ask me to pm. If you are willing to answer, please do it here. If you provide a contribution I will do the same, like I did in the Medellin forum.

Here the questions:

1) I read Uber is cheaper, even cheaper than in Medellin, at least on Numbeo. Is that true?

2) I have seen I can rent a car for 10 Euro / day, which is nothing really. I do like OTR a lot, it used to be a passion for me, but in Europe is not possible anymore. In Sao Paulo is still a thing? Can I found some hot girls on the road and have sex in the car? Would I spend more than 10 Euro in taxi, considering I want to fuck 4 girls per day, and I will eat (if restaurants are still open) always outside?

3) I'm going to stay in Campo Belo. I have checked the map and most of the working girls are in the Jardins or Villa Olimpia area, which is not too far. Considering that, is Uber still a good option, or I will definitely save some money if I rent a car? I have a free parking slot where I will be staying.

4) I can read Portuguese, most likely, but I do not speak it. So I read local forums, and I visited all the escort websites I could find. In some of these you can find prices. And they are usually between 150/200 per hour, even for very hot girls. Are these actual prices or the girls, like in Colombia, they do bot offer BBBJ included, and they do not kiss? My basic request is 1 hour, 2 shots, BBBK and French kisses. Is usually included in the menu for 150/200?

5) I read about Scandallo and these other places, but I'm not interested in clubs. I do not like them. But it looks like e everyone is going there, on in other clubs, and I do not understand why. There is so much offer on the Internet, and prices are lower than the entrance ticket. Why do people go in clubs? Please explain.

6) Are usually the photo on the Internet real, or they are not?

7) If anyone of you is in Sao Paulo now, can you tell me if the restaurants are open? I mean, can you eat in the restaurants or there any restrictions?

8) Years ago, can't recall exactly when, but definitely more than 10 years ago, probably 15 or even more, two friends went to Brasil and they had a lot of free sex. They claimed, at least. Most likely they paid in some way, dinner, etc. Is still possible? We are talking about normal guys, not particularly good looking in their early 30 (if my math is correct). Now, I'm not really interested in free, especially if the girls are cheap, because I can afford, but I would like to cap my budget for sex at 800 per day, Brazilian Real, not dollars.

9) Do you have any advise on things I should do and things I should completely avoid? Any area of the city you strongly do not recommend? I have a great sense of the street, and I have been in dangerous place, but I don't want to get killed.

10) Which is the best mobile operator and which is the best plan I can get for the money? I will do any call, but I will use Internet a lot.

That's all for now.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2508043]This is my first trip to Sao Paulo and I have a bunch of questions. I can't send private messages yet, so please don't ask me to pm. If you are willing to answer, please do it here. If you provide a contribution I will do the same, like I did in the Medellin forum.

Here the questions:

1) I read Uber is cheaper, even cheaper than in Medellin, at least on Numbeo. Is that true?

2) I have seen I can rent a car for 10 Euro / day, which is nothing really. I do like OTR a lot, it used to be a passion for me, but in Europe is not possible anymore. In Sao Paulo is still a thing? Can I found some hot girls on the road and have sex in the car? Would I spend more than 10 Euro in taxi, considering I want to fuck 4 girls per day, and I will eat (if restaurants are still open) always outside?

3) I'm going to stay in Campo Belo. I have checked the map and most of the working girls are in the Jardins or Villa Olimpia area, which is not too far. Considering that, is Uber still a good option, or I will definitely save some money if I rent a car? I have a free parking slot where I will be staying.

4) I can read Portuguese, most likely, but I do not speak it. So I read local forums, and I visited all the escort websites I could find. In some of these you can find prices. And they are usually between 150/200 per hour, even for very hot girls. Are these actual prices or the girls, like in Colombia, they do bot offer BBBJ included, and they do not kiss? My basic request is 1 hour, 2 shots, BBBK and French kisses. Is usually included in the menu for 150/200?

5) I read about Scandallo and these other places, but I'm not interested in clubs. I do not like them. But it looks like e everyone is going there, on in other clubs, and I do not understand why. There is so much offer on the Internet, and prices are lower than the entrance ticket. Why do people go in clubs? Please explain.

6) Are usually the photo on the Internet real, or they are not?

7) If anyone of you is in Sao Paulo now, can you tell me if the restaurants are open? I mean, can you eat in the restaurants or there any restrictions?

8) Years ago, can't recall exactly when, but definitely more than 10 years ago, probably 15 or even more, two friends went to Brasil and they had a lot of free sex. They claimed, at least. Most likely they paid in some way, dinner, etc. Is still possible? We are talking about normal guys, not particularly good looking in their early 30 (if my math is correct). Now, I'm not really interested in free, especially if the girls are cheap, because I can afford, but I would like to cap my budget for sex at 800 per day, Brazilian Real, not dollars.

9) Do you have any advise on things I should do and things I should completely avoid? Any area of the city you strongly do not recommend? I have a great sense of the street, and I have been in dangerous place, but I don't want to get killed.

10) Which is the best mobile operator and which is the best plan I can get for the money? I will do any call, but I will use Internet a lot.

That's all for now.[/QUOTE]That's a lot of questions bro. Right now yes, all restaurants are open. Most of the hot girls on PA are asking R300-400 if you got to their location. If they come to you R400-500 . Yes all do BBJ and kiss. Only one chick I seen didn't want to kiss but that's not a deal breaker for me she was 21 with a smoking body. I don't know SP that well but I don't think it's a place with many street walkers and giving the reputation of Brasil I don't know if you want to be driving around picking up girls, I would imagine the places the girls are wouldn't be that safe. It sounds like you might like the CLínicas, from the forum that's where the best deals will be had. All the girls on line from any site are asking R300 -400 at least that I have encountered.

This cutie from PA charged R700 for 2 hours to come to me.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2508043]This is my first trip to Sao Paulo and I have a bunch of questions. I can't send private messages yet, so please don't ask me to pm. If you are willing to answer, please do it here. If you provide a contribution I will do the same, like I did in the Medellin forum.

Here the questions:

1) I read Uber is cheaper, even cheaper than in Medellin, at least on Numbeo. Is that true?

2) I have seen I can rent a car for 10 Euro / day, which is nothing really. I do like OTR a lot, it used to be a passion for me, but in Europe is not possible anymore. In Sao Paulo is still a thing? Can I found some hot girls on the road and have sex in the car? Would I spend more than 10 Euro in taxi, considering I want to fuck 4 girls per day, and I will eat (if restaurants are still open) always outside?

3) I'm going to stay in Campo Belo. I have checked the map and most of the working girls are in the Jardins or Villa Olimpia area, which is not too far. Considering that, is Uber still a good option, or I will definitely save some money if I rent a car? I have a free parking slot where I will be staying.

4) I can read Portuguese, most likely, but I do not speak it. So I read local forums, and I visited all the escort websites I could find. In some of these you can find prices. And they are usually between 150/200 per hour, even for very hot girls. Are these actual prices or the girls, like in Colombia, they do bot offer BBBJ included, and they do not kiss? My basic request is 1 hour, 2 shots, BBBK and French kisses. Is usually included in the menu for 150/200?.[/QUOTE]Uber is very cheap and very efficient. It's cheaper than I've seen anywhere. I either use Uber or rent a car, depending on where I am staying and availability of parking. If you like driving renting a car is great. Last month I used a lot of Uber. The average ride cost me about $3. This trip (I leave today) I'll use Uber in town and rent a car for a beach trip.

For phones, I had a Claro SIM card but it expired. Getting a new one was easiest at Vivo. It does take some time and you need an ID. The Vivo store at Ibirapuera mall was pretty good.

My session with Victoria at Abobbora Clinic was aborted as her monthly bleeding exploded there and then. She offered to relinquish her 150 R. Usually I have no patience with girls' periods but this time I was eager to get her Whatsapp ahead of a forthcoming lockdown, so I gave her 100. Victoria's blowjob is a phenomenon unto itself if blowjobs are your thing!

Second and final session with Tiffany at Miruna's. Good session, but will not repeat as Tiffany is not really my type, more like the type of girls you would pull from a gogo in Thailand (petite with girlish face but boyish figure).

Just had my first Ueber asshole in Sao Paulo. Short ride to Shopping Vila Olimpia, driver a black man with blood-shot eyes who refused to be drawn into conversation. At a traffic light, he went on his Whatsapp to write the following, unawares I was peeping over his shoulder: "o cara sai do Hotel *** e pede promo" which translates as "this fellow emerges from hotel *** and asks for a discount".

Explanation:

This fellow = myself, his passenger.

Hotel *** = the high-end (actually only upper mid-range) hotel within which my Airbnb is situated.

Discount = UeberPromo, some 5% cheaper than UeberX.

It didn't occur to this asshole that from my side of the Ueber App, I was not "asking for a discount" but just availing myself of one of the options presented to me. Anyways, henceforth I shall avoid UeberPromo as it seems to make drivers resentful. At the present exchange rate, one thing I am definitely not into is saving pennies on rides.

Note that Clinica girls will come early to your hotel for the same short time one-hour rate as the clinica rate (typically 250).

I would definitely Uber. It's super cheap. You can go across town for like $5. I was amazed. It will cost more than the car probably but totally worth it. Traffic in SP sucks. You will save so much stress and it's so cheap.

We go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. Yes you can fuck the same girl thru some other means for less. But some of us LOVE the club experience:

150 hotties. They all want you. Drink your drink. Survey the buffet. Chat up some girls (easier if you speak a bit). Pick your girl. Dance chat kiss flirt for a while (30–120 minutes). Go to room. Enjoy! Repeat if you like and your wallet can stand it. There is nothing like a girl buffet in a nice club for many of us.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2508258]I would definitely Uber. It's super cheap. You can go across town for like $5. I was amazed. It will cost more than the car probably but totally worth it. Traffic in SP sucks. You will save so much stress and it's so cheap.

We go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. Yes you can fuck the same girl thru some other means for less. But some of us LOVE the club experience:

150 hotties. They all want you. Drink your drink. Survey the buffet. Chat up some girls (easier if you speak a bit). Pick your girl. Dance chat kiss flirt for a while (30120 minutes). Go to room. Enjoy! Repeat if you like and your wallet can stand it. There is nothing like a girl buffet in a nice club for many of us.[/QUOTE]People don't for a minute believe that it's as easy to get the same girls as to just go to the clinicas in the daytime. If it was, then don't you think I would do that? I don't because that's not how it is, as much as I wish it was. I'm for saving some money like the next guy. If I knew I could get the same girls for a fraction of the price, then I would be asking myself the same thing. Why am I going to the clubs? People like Steve know why.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2507396]What do you call night? In SP 10 pm is super early at the Boates. 12 am it's rocking. 4 Am its still going strong. Before ten? Don't bother.[/QUOTE]In Colombia was hard to find a girl after 22. Almost impossible after midnight, not the prepagos at least. I'm a night person, I hope Brazil will be better from this point of you. I'm already saving on the accommodation. I hope I will find better girls for the same price.

The last two escorts I had over from photoaccompanhants were only 200 reals for the hour (actually one was wanting only 150 but I gave her 200), although a lot of girls are charging a bit more. And these are smoking hot 20 something girls with great service. Also want to re-iterate the advice that has been given on this forum before to stick to girls with lots of positive TDs (and if the girl has only one or two TDs make sure they are from someone with a lot of TDs, not someone with just 1 or 2 TDs). I had a number of dissatisfying experiences despite reading this advice before implementing it, now I have been having nothing but great sessions.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508219]This cutie from PA charged R700 for 2 hours to come to me.[/QUOTE]Are those knockers augmentated?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2507715]What's the latest on Cafe Photo? Is it coming back or what? Hottest piece of ass I found in Sampa last time was at Cafe Photo, and she was a good fuck too. And great to see that Bomboa is still kicking![/QUOTE]Girl from Photo who has been working there several years said it will reopen.

Photo has a large gringo clients and now the gringo business travelers are a lot less they may not be in such a rush to reopen.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2508546]Are those knockers augmentated?[/QUOTE]Pretty sure.

[QUOTE=Hobbying;2508610]Pretty sure.[/QUOTE]Yes they were, aren't most here in Brazil? LOL.

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2508449]The last two escorts I had over from photoaccompanhants were only 200 reals for the hour (actually one was wanting only 150 but I gave her 200), although a lot of girls are charging a bit more. And these are smoking hot 20 something girls with great service. Also want to re-iterate the advice that has been given on this forum before to stick to girls with lots of positive TDs (and if the girl has only one or two TDs make sure they are from someone with a lot of TDs, not someone with just 1 or 2 TDs). I had a number of dissatisfying experiences despite reading this advice before implementing it, now I have been having nothing but great sessions.[/QUOTE]Post one link of a GP on PA with verified photos, and positive TD's that charge R200.

I usually don't do this kinda thang bcuz I don't knock anyone on how they do it or how they live. We all human but my guy irritated me, so y’all can see we don't talk about it we be about it. Check out the Hilton bro, it's nice. I make it to blow it , can’t take it with me

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508774]No one likes a cheap skate. I been in Brazil 2 weeks now taking Uber black bcuz the difference is so minimal, 3 dollars here and there ain't going to break me and if it does maybe you should stay home and save more.[/QUOTE]And it's being a cheapskate that leads mongers to say things like the clinica girls look just as good as the top nightclub girls (no they don't), or that the same girls who work in the nightclubs work in the clinicas in the daytime (some do but the overwhelming majority don't). Again, If you don't want to spend the money for the hottest girls just admit it. But don't mislead by using a bunch of rationalizations to tell other mongers that the clinicas offer the exact same quality as what can be found in the nightclubs. Yes, you can find some gems at the clinicas. But if you are into "optics" and are willing to part with the coin to acquire it, then you need to play in the Sampa "night league" too.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2508793]Yes, you can find some gems at the clinicas. But if you are into "optics" and are willing to part with the coin to acquire it, then you need to play in the Sampa "night league" too.[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me. Clinicas and call girls in the afternoon, Termas girls at night. Count me in! And don't forget a great meal in between.

I love going to Brasil because people there do not care about the color of your skin. Even in the south of Brasil where people are predominantly of European background, I do not get the sense of any racism. It has been shown with genetic testing that almost all Brazilians have some African decent since 50% of the population is of color. I've met plenty of girls who are mixed but could not tell by the way they look.

In the south there are white favelas, in the north black favela, in SP the favelas have all sorts of people.

Like any other place in the World, it is more about social status.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2508858]Sounds good to me. Clinicas and call girls in the afternoon, Termas girls at night. Count me in! And don't forget a great meal in between.[/QUOTE]Hey Natty. Welcome to SP from Thailand. You definitely have the right plan. Do both the Clinica and Boate and an Outcall just for good measure. If you like the "scene" Boate is going to win. But everyone's different. My first time in SP I did five sessions with four girls (repeated my Casarao hottie) in my first 24 hours after landing! And hit all three types. Recommend going batshit crazy like I did. Was a ton of fun.

And there are high end Clnicas and lower end and high end Boates and lower end. Honestly there are pretty girls at all the venues below. So much is difference in facilities and experience. Just pick your poison. Here's a summary and some links for you and other newbies. This was all precovid -2018 and 2019.

Tangar - Clinica. Low end facilities. Like a Ramada Inn or Motel 6.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2214410&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2214410.

Abbobora. Clinica - high end facilities. Like a Westin or Hyatt.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2350478&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2350478.

Casarao. Boate. Lower end bar. Like a narrow packed bar but with hotties.

Casarao

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2214355&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2214355.


Scandallo. High End Boate- Like a deluxe mega club in Vegas.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2351954&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2351954.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2508896]Hey Natty. Welcome to SP from Thailand. You definitely have the right plan. Do both the Clinica and Boate and an Outcall just for good measure. If you like the "scene" Boate is going to win. But everyone's different. My first time in SP I did five sessions with four girls (repeated my Casarao hottie) in my first 24 hours after landing! And hit all three types. Recommend going batshit crazy like I did. Was a ton of fun.

And there are high end Clnicas and lower end and high end Boates and lower end. Honestly there are pretty girls at all the venues below. So much is difference in facilities and experience. Just pick your poison. Here's a summary and some links for you and other newbies. This was all precovid -2018 and 2019.

Tangar - Clinica. Low end facilities. Like a Ramada Inn or Motel 6.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2214410&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2214410.

Abbobora. Clinica - high end facilities. Like a Westin or Hyatt.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2350478&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2350478.

Casarao. Boate. Lower end bar. Like a narrow packed bar but with hotties.

Casarao

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2214355&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2214355.


Scandallo. High End Boate- Like a deluxe mega club in Vegas.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2351954&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2351954.[/QUOTE]Who needs your "pre-covid" rehashes of outdated posts? My guess is that you and your aliases have never been anywhere near Sao Paulo.

Abobbora Clinica like a Hyatt my foot. Only if you have never been there.

Casarao has been closed for months.

No money to travel? Taking revenge by deliberately misleading forum members?

Ima going to go with LOL Block XXL DNFTT. High recommend.

Since we taking the forum to all different levels check out the Afro brasileño museum in Parque Ibirapuera, cultivate your mind too. It's healthy, too much Fox News fucks you up.

A couple of why'all dudes seem like you need to bust some more nuts. All these beautiful women you are fuckin and still walking around with ya face red, veins popping out ya neck. Have a drink and call one of those clinic girls over and pound them in the ass and chill out. I don't get it. You go out the country to relax and forget about life's problems right. I was like damn these dudes wild, but now I just feel sorry for them. They on monger review boards talking politics, sending messages full of hate, life must really be bad bro. It's ok, it will be ok man, hang in there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2508858]Sounds good to me. Clinicas and call girls in the afternoon, Termas girls at night. Count me in! And don't forget a great meal in between.[/QUOTE]Can't remember the name of the place but it's an Argentinian parrilla next to Wyndham Paulista.

I do not care what anyone says. Thanks for the info, Steve. I am really up for this trip. Upon arrival in SP, I plan to hit the Clinca Abbobora & Scandallo, but after that who knows where I will go and who I will do because when I like a particular parlor, a bar, or club, I tend to go back often not to do any one girl, but to sample around. I like high quality variety.

I guess all I am saying is it takes me a longtime to fully check a new town, see all the worthwhile sites, I. E. , many trips because I tend to go back to the Go Go's, Parlors, Spas, Clubs etc. That I like best and never return to the joints I see no promise in. Thus, the better a town's #1, #2 #3 honky tonks are, the longer it takes me to fully explore that town. Hell, I have been visiting BKK since 1989 and there are still some out of the way Ramada / Hotel 6 type Gentlemen Clubs & Soapies that I have never been to, YET. LOL. And since I do not think I have changed my leopard spots; I have a feeling that I might tend to repeat the Clincas and Boates that I really like and will leave a lot of good 2nd tier establishments on the table for next time and the time after.

But I really want to check out Scandallo, Bomboa and Clinca Abbobora this trip, so I think I will. HA HA. Even with this fuckin pandemic still going on, I have a feeling I am going to meet a lot of sexy girls and have a great time.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508925]Can't remember the name of the place but it's an Argentinian parrilla next to Wyndham Paulista.[/QUOTE]You ate that whole steak! WOW, I am impressed. Ha Ha.

Since I know I am going, I have been doing a little research on quality eateries in RJ & SP. I now have a long list eligible restaurants. Turns out SP is a foodie town. I think I knew that before I researched it, but Great news! I like tasty food.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508785]I usually don't do this kinda thang bcuz I don't knock anyone on how they do it or how they live. We all human but my guy irritated me, so yall can see we don't talk about it we be about it. Check out the Hilton bro, it's nice. I make it to blow it , cant take it with me[/QUOTE]A guy who posts photos of cuties he's banging always wins over other blokes. Well done. I have visited many countries and always post photos on ISG of my garotas because Brazilian girls are the most willing to have their photos taken. I think its obvious why.

Just read on a local forum that Cafe Photo is going to reopen as Lotus Club.

I added Scandallo on Instagram last week and got an invite from Lotus Club and was wondering why I'd never read anything about it.

Just hoping Casarao opens up before my first trip in January.

You are making me very envious, my friend. You are doing it right IMO. The art in Sampa was extraordinary, nearly as wonderful as the garotas. I was there during the biennale. Good to hear the Hilton is girl friendly, it's a top drawer hotel, although I really didn't care for Morumbi as a neighborhood. Have fun for all of us trapped in Pandemia.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508915]Since we taking the forum to all different levels check out the Afro brasileo museum in Parque Ibirapuera, cultivate your mind too. It's healthy, too much Fox News fucks you up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2509082]Just read on a local forum that Cafe Photo is going to reopen as Lotus Club.

I added Scandallo on Instagram last week and got an invite from Lotus Club and was wondering why I'd never read anything about it.

Just hoping Casarao opens up before my first trip in January.[/QUOTE]On the GP forum, Lotus is at the original location and Cafe Foto will be at a new location.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508766]Post one link of a GP on PA with verified photos, and positive TD's that charge R200.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/zona-norte/anal-incluso-varias-finaliza%C3%A7oes-ultimo-mes-id-a6vhj[/URL]

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2509153][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/zona-norte/anal-incluso-varias-finaliza%C3%A7oes-ultimo-mes-id-a6vhj[/URL][/QUOTE]You seen her and it was her? Good for you my guy I'm not as adventurous. It's funny the day I asked that I seen some GP's on Twitter laughing at guys she would hear complain in the hotel lobby it wasn't the GP in the photos. What she said is what you expect when she is charging the price of a banana and has a location .But I'm glad you won! I was just nervous to take that chance after what some of the vets had said about that. [URL]https://twitter.com/cristalweedon43/status/1335007201568698368?s=21[/URL].

[QUOTE=Turgid;2509079]A guy who posts photos of cuties he's banging always wins over other blokes. Well done. I have visited many countries and always post photos on ISG of my garotas because Brazilian girls are the most willing to have their photos taken. I think its obvious why.[/QUOTE]No competition, I got a little out of character. I don't use ISG for BS. I like to read about where I'm going and contribute for the guy making up his mind like some of the great guys on here have helped me to do. Happy hunting fellas, fuck GPS, have fun. Later with the other stuff.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2508967]You ate that whole steak! WOW, I am impressed. Ha Ha.

Since I know I am going, I have been doing a little research on quality eateries in RJ & SP. I now have a long list eligible restaurants. Turns out SP is a foodie town. I think I knew that before I researched it, but Great news! I like tasty food.[/QUOTE]São Paulo, Lima and México City by far best cities to eat in Latin America. Happy to share some great places in Sampa, if you let me know, what kind of culinary do you prefer. Needless to say that offering in meat, Italian, Japanese, Brazilian, Pizza, Portuguese and French food is awesome. There is even a good Thai with a Brazilian touch that is worth visiting.

Not her specifically but the last two girls I had over for 200 were both very attractive.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/ninfeta-namoradinha-com-local-discreto-id-fav5b[/URL]

This was actually the last girl I had over. 350, a little pricey, but money well spent. 5'4, 50kg, really bubbly personality and great BBBJ and DFK. 19 years old from Brazilia. Was actually glowing for a couple hours after the experience haha, and we didn't even have intercourse. But her head game was on point.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/gata-sarada-especialista-em-te-dar-prazer-venha-conhecer-id-aujws[/URL]

This one only wanted 150, although I gave her 200 cause I'm a nice guy.

[QUOTE=BMo814;2508217]That's a lot of questions bro. Right now yes, all restaurants are open. Most of the hot girls on PA are asking R300-400 if you got to their location. If they come to you R400-500 . Yes all do BBJ and kiss. Only one chick I seen didn't want to kiss but that's not a deal breaker for me she was 21 with a smoking body. I don't know SP that well but I don't think it's a place with many street walkers and giving the reputation of Brasil I don't know if you want to be driving around picking up girls, I would imagine the places the girls are wouldn't be that safe. It sounds like you might like the CLnicas, from the forum that's where the best deals will be had. All the girls on line from any site are asking R300 -400 at least that I have encountered.[/QUOTE]By PA, you mean Porto Alegre?

[QUOTE=Ptgbac;2509273]By PA, you mean Porto Alegre?[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure he means the website:

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]

Yeah I absolutely love the food here, and you cannot beat the value. Most of my meals are like 25-30 reals for a small steak, fries, juice and / or coffee. And the juices are just insane, freshly squeezed, you have the option for with milk and added sugar (strawberry juice with milk is great). Lots of good sandwich options. Not a lot of street vendors here in Itaim, although I found one guy who was doing BBQ skewers outside a restaurant (actually it was all part of the restaurant technically, the guy was just an employee). 7 reals for a juicy BBQ beef skewer. My hotel has a nice buffet breakfast, even with the pandemic, it's a little restrictive because everything needs to be wrapped but its fine. Haven't tried too many upscale places, I mostly eat at locals joints, but there appears to be no shortage of fine dining and more expensive places as well. One novelty here I haven't seen anywhere else is they have buffets, but you pay per 100 g. It's actually a kind of interesting idea, gives you the selection and choice but at the same time you don't feel like you have to eat your money's worth. A lot of the nicer places are going to menu's only on your smartphone, which is a bit of the pain in the ass because it's not that easy to get a working SIM card as a tourist. Most places seem to want your tax number.

[QUOTE=DukesFord;2509464]I'm pretty sure he means the website:

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Among the girls listed there is a Dani from São José dos Campos who is stated as 25 years and priced at R150. Her hip to waist ratio is out of this world. Wish they showed her face.

Hey guys,

Planning my first trip to SP in January & just wondering if anyone can recommend any Airbnb's / Hotels where I'm able to bring the Chica's home? Looking to stay in the Vila Madelena area or nearby. Had quite a bit of joy using SeekingArrangement in other S American countries. Does it work well here too?

Following a previous post a Mr Smart Guy Snowflake attacked me for not using Ueber Blak instead of UeberX.

Today I called an Ueber Blak for my weekly drive to Zona Leste. During the afternoon peak hour traffic is bad and 50 minutes to one hour are not unusual. This time, however, it took over 2 hours.

After arrival I noticed the drive had cost me 113 R and not the 70 or so I had agreed to on the Ueber App. When I showed this to my Brazilian friends they told me never to use Ueber Blak as the price of Ueber Blak is open-end, and because Ueber Blak get paid for time as well as for mileage, they play for time.

Indeed the driver had not tried once to beat the grid-lock like UeberX drivers did by using real-time navigation and following smaller roads aways from the congested expressway. It had also occurred to me along the way that he had opted for the slowest of the 2 itineraries put forward by Google maps.

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2509698]... Most places seem to want your tax number.[/QUOTE]A pain in the neck. If you go to a doctor they may even refuse to print out a proper invoice because their system can't print anything without the damned CPF, so you're left without a proper medical bill for your insurance claim. For other things not involving medical insurance you can use the CPF of a Brazilian friend if you have one. Maybe a garota will accept to "lend" you hers. I get a lower price on my Sagami condoms at Drogarai thanks to the CPF of a Brazilian acquaintance of mine. She doesn't know I'm bulk-buying condoms on her CPF but even if she knew she wouldn't care. I ordered something online, I needed the CPF to fill the order form, and when I went to pay the deposit to the merchant's bank account I needed the CPF. I tried to buy a plane ticket online on the Brazilian website of the airline, no way without a CPF. The list goes on. A CPF is the single most missed item by visitors to Brazil and having someone local lend you theirs is a game-changer.

[QUOTE=GigiBuffon;2509238]So Paulo, Lima and Mxico City by far best cities to eat in Latin America. Happy to share some great places in Sampa, if you let me know, what kind of culinary do you prefer. Needless to say that offering in meat, Italian, Japanese, Brazilian, Pizza, Portuguese and French food is awesome. There is even a good Thai with a Brazilian touch that is worth visiting.[/QUOTE]If steaks are your thing, then you have to add Buenos Aires and Montevideo.

[QUOTE=XXL;2509861]Following a previous post a Mr Smart Guy Snowflake attacked me for not using Ueber Blak instead of UeberX.
When I showed this to my Brazilian friends they told me never to use Ueber Blak as the price of Ueber Blak is open-end, and because Ueber Blak get paid for time as well as for mileage, they play for time. [/QUOTE]Interesting information as I thought price was flat once trip is booked with whatever option of choice.

As for promo option, never seen it until arrived at Sao Paulo and it was awesome. Kkkkkk.

We still want to see some pictures of the girls you fucked not your rants about uber, or Ueber maybe use 99 taxi or whatever it's called I think that's the cheaper option. Maybe you are there for a really long time and have to watch each and every one of the reals, but man I just don't worry about 5-10 dollars that much that's just me dude I don't here in the states I don't there in Brazil I'm just not that worried I noticed they drove slow too but I ain't have shit to do I was on vacation and if this 3 dollars means that much to you driver man, eat your heart out.

[QUOTE=XXL;2509861]A pain in the neck. If you go to a doctor they may even refuse to print out a proper invoice because their system can't print anything without the damned CPF, so you're left without a proper medical bill for your insurance claim. For other things not involving medical insurance you can use the CPF of a Brazilian friend if you have one. Maybe a garota will accept to "lend" you hers. I get a lower price on my Sagami condoms at Drogarai thanks to the CPF of a Brazilian acquaintance of mine. She doesn't know I'm bulk-buying condoms on her CPF but even if she knew she wouldn't care. I ordered something online, I needed the CPF to fill the order form, and when I went to pay the deposit to the merchant's bank account I needed the CPF. I tried to buy a plane ticket online on the Brazilian website of the airline, no way without a CPF. The list goes on. A CPF is the single most missed item by visitors to Brazil and having someone local lend you theirs is a game-changer.[/QUOTE]It's easy enough to get a CPF in your name from the Brazilian Consulate in your home country before you travel, it used to need a personal visit to the embassy / consulate but under temporary Covid rules it's all currently being done on-line. [URL]http://cglondres.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/cpf.xml[/URL].

Have anyone been to Spicy Club, Imperium club, Love Story and Lotus Club that is not Cafe Photo? I saw their instagram recently and wonder how is it like. Anyone planning or been there?

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2510179]Have anyone been to Spicy Club, Imperium club, Love Story and Lotus Club that is not Cafe Photo? I saw their instagram recently and wonder how is it like. Anyone planning or been there?[/QUOTE]I went to Love Story late, late, late one night on my first visit to Sao Paulo. Got drunk off my ass! Only the second time in all my trips to Brazil. It was only so-so, although I did leave with somebody. A lot of the girls who work in other clubs throughout the city would show up at Love Story late. I never felt compelled to go back. But glad I did it once. I can check it off my bucket list.

[QUOTE=XXL;2509861]A CPF is the single most missed item by visitors to Brazil and having someone local lend you theirs is a game-changer.[/QUOTE]Salaam xxL, I don't miss it. I am not a number, I'm a free man! The more somebody tries to push me into doing something, the more suspicious I get, and the less likely I am to do it. I look on the CPF as just the inviting rabbit hole into some godawful Third World morass of bureaucracy. I always argue with all those phone clerks until one of them agrees to give me a SIM without a stupid CPF. There was a 2012 law known as the Gringo Phone Legalization Act or something which obliges them to give you a SIM if you wave your hands about a lot.

Weekend in São Paulo was well spent and now back home without catching COVID (shucks).

I had organized two redhead girls from different sites that were both bisexual and we were chatting together on WhatsApp for a week before meeting. I had written a post about this earlier with links to their pages.

Both girls met me for dinner on Friday evening at Jun Sakamoto and we enjoyed an amazing omakase meal. Girls drank 1. 5 bottles of wine and we took the remainder of the bottle back to the hotel. Staying at the Renaissance and I had booked a room with three guests and was able to get upgraded to a larger suite due to my status.

Once we went into the room and the girls got situated, it got exciting with each of us exploring the other and ultimately both girls enjoying each other while I was fucking one of them in doggy. After about two hours of this, I was exhausted and got ready to sleep. The girls played around a bit longer and then also fell asleep.

Saturday morning. Breakfast at the hotel lobby and then onward to the Mercado Municipal for some fruits that I crave but can't find in the USA and some pastel. One of the girls found a waitress she liked and got her info to try to invite her out with us at night. Went back to hotel for another couple of hours of playtime and then off to dinner and many caipirinhas at Fogo Do Chao.

While at dinner, we contacted the waitress to join us later in the night but she had to work early the next day and couldn't come out. Oh well. We tried. Drinks flowed freely and eventually we decided to head out for the night.

One of the girls took us to a boate near the restaurant and we tried our luck there but alas. Nothing could be found. Dead boate.

Went to another place down the block and this place was better but it was early so we decided to hang out and see what talent comes in. Good thing that we did. One girl came in and she was the best one in the bar. I immediately pointed her out and both girls rushed to her and called her over. After about an hour of talking, she decided to join us for the night.

Went back to the hotel around midnight and then I got to see the new girls face and body in the actual light and I was stunned. She was drop dead gorgeous with a 10 body. A spinner with nice perky tits, an ass that I would cry over and a slim tummy that showed the obliques. I have a picture but can't upload. Sorry. Just beautiful. And we hit it off.

After a few more drinks in the room, the other girls decided that they wanted to play with the new one and we all went to the bedroom. Watching three naked women was quite a sight to behold. Licking, fingering, kissing and moaning. Eventually, I couldn't stand it any longer and joined in. I wanted the taste of the new one in my mouth, so I had sit on my face while the other two sucked my dock together. Then the two took turns fucking me (changing condoms each time I blew my load. I don't know with which one I was able to blow my load since I was so engrossed in the new ones pussy.

This went on till 4 am and we finally decided to go to sleep. I was exhausted.

Woke up around 8 am Sunday to hard dock and had the new girls next to me so I grabbed her hand and put it on my dick. She started stroking it and I was rubbing her pussy. As she got more and more wet, she crawled out of bed and grabbed a condom and then rode me till I came. It was an excellent way to wake up.

Eventually she had to leave and the other two spent the rest of the day curing their hangovers.

I was done. Literally had nothing in me to give anymore. They left the room around 2 pm to go home and I left the hotel around 830 to catch my flight back home.

The new girl and I hit it off really well so I have her personal phone contact and we are talking thru WhatsApp and we have agreed to get together next time I come to São Paulo. She also agreed to get tested when we get together at a one hour testing facility so we can continue the weekend together BB.

Some issues about this weekend — managing two girls for a weekend wasn't hard since the girls agreed to this and both of them were fault easy going and enjoyed the things I enjoy. No jealousy involved. It was a fun time but I probably wouldn't do it again due to cost. The biggest issue that irked me was the changing of condoms back and forth but I understand the health reason behind it.

Looking forward to my next trip down.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2510419]Weekend in So Paulo was well spent and now back home without catching COVID (shucks).

I had organized two redhead girls from different sites that were both bisexual and we were chatting together on WhatsApp for a week before meeting. I had written a post about this earlier with links to their pages.

Both girls met me for dinner on Friday evening at Jun Sakamoto and we enjoyed an amazing omakase meal. Girls drank 1. 5 bottles of wine and we took the remainder of the bottle back to the hotel. Staying at the Renaissance and I had booked a room with three guests and was able to get upgraded to a larger suite due to my status.

Once we went into the room and the girls got situated, it got exciting with each of us exploring the other and ultimately both girls enjoying each other while I was fucking one of them in doggy. After about two hours of this, I was exhausted and got ready to sleep. The girls played around a bit longer and then also fell asleep.

Saturday morning. Breakfast at the hotel lobby and then onward to the Mercado Municipal for some fruits that I crave but can't find in the USA and some pastel. One of the girls found a waitress she liked and got her info to try to invite her out with us at night. Went back to hotel for another couple of hours of playtime and then off to dinner and many caipirinhas at Fogo Do Chao.

While at dinner, we contacted the waitress to join us later in the night but she had to work early the next day and couldn't come out. Oh well. We tried. Drinks flowed freely and eventually we decided to head out for the night..[/QUOTE]Wow fantastic experience.

And out of curiosity how much did it cost you to be with them?

Ueber has started rejecting my credit card all of a sudden. It seems to be still working with Uebereats though. It also works 1 time out of 5 after I reenter it into the system. The alternative to Ueber in Brazil is Taxi 99 but it didn't work after I downloaded it. I see on the Google Play comments that it doesn't work with Android.

So if you come to Brazil bring a bevvy of credit cards to be sure to be able to use Ueber.

Just booked my flights and hotel for my first trip to Brazil.

Going to be arriving on 31st of January and leaving on 13th February, staying at Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Hotel.

Thanks to everyone who posts in this forum, I can't wait to repay the favour with some reports.

Hopefully I can meet up with some of you when I'm there.

Does anyone know of any gyms in Moema where you can join for a few weeks or pay as you go? Needs to have decently heavy free weights.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2510509]Just booked my flights and hotel for my first trip to Brazil.


Does anyone know of any gyms in Moema where you can join for a few weeks or pay as you go? Needs to have decently heavy free weights.[/QUOTE]I can recommend Tecfit Jardins for EMS training. I paid just over 400 R for 4 sessions (1 session a week).

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2510419]
One of the girls took us to a boate near the restaurant and we tried our luck there but alas. Nothing could be found. Dead boate.
Went to another place down the block and this place was better but it was early so we decided to hang out and see what talent comes in. [/QUOTE]Please share the name of the boate.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2510419]Weekend in So Paulo was well spent and now back home without catching COVID (shucks).

I had organized two redhead girls from different sites that were both bisexual and we were chatting together on WhatsApp for a week before meeting. I had written a post about this earlier with links to their pages.

Both girls met me for dinner on Friday evening at Jun Sakamoto and we enjoyed an amazing omakase meal. Girls drank 1. 5 bottles of wine and we took the remainder of the bottle back to the hotel. Staying at the Renaissance and I had booked a room with three guests and was able to get upgraded to a larger suite due to my status.

Once we went into the room and the girls got situated, it got exciting with each of us exploring the other and ultimately both girls enjoying each other while I was fucking one of them in doggy. After about two hours of this, I was exhausted and got ready to sleep. The girls played around a bit longer and then also fell asleep.

Saturday morning. Breakfast at the hotel lobby and then onward to the Mercado Municipal for some fruits that I crave but can't find in the USA and some pastel. One of the girls found a waitress she liked and got her info to try to invite her out with us at night. Went back to hotel for another couple of hours of playtime and then off to dinner and many caipirinhas at Fogo Do Chao.

While at dinner, we contacted the waitress to join us later in the night but she had to work early the next day and couldn't come out. Oh well. We tried. Drinks flowed freely and eventually we decided to head out for the night.

One of the girls took us to a boate near the restaurant and we tried our luck there but alas. Nothing could be found. Dead boate..[/QUOTE]Thank you for this report; It made me jealous to be honest!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2510194]I went to Love Story late, late, late one night on my first visit to Sao Paulo. Got drunk off my ass! Only the second time in all my trips to Brazil. It was only so-so, although I did leave with somebody. A lot of the girls who work in other clubs throughout the city would show up at Love Story late. I never felt compelled to go back. But glad I did it once. I can check it off my bucket list.[/QUOTE]Ha, ok, I might go check it out when I'm in SP again. There are so many that I have not heard of, there is another called club impressau or something like that, all advertising on instagram.

[QUOTE=XXL;2510459]Ueber has started rejecting my credit card all of a sudden. It seems to be still working with Uebereats though. It also works 1 time out of 5 after I reenter it into the system. The alternative to Ueber in Brazil is Taxi 99 but it didn't work after I downloaded it. I see on the Google Play comments that it doesn't work with Android.

So if you come to Brazil bring a bevvy of credit cards to be sure to be able to use Ueber.[/QUOTE]In Brazil Uber has a cash option so you don't have to use a credit card. I always use my credit card but the option to use cash is available.

[QUOTE=XXL;2510459]Ueber has started rejecting my credit card all of a sudden. It seems to be still working with Uebereats though. It also works 1 time out of 5 after I reenter it into the system. The alternative to Ueber in Brazil is Taxi 99 but it didn't work after I downloaded it. I see on the Google Play comments that it doesn't work with Android.

So if you come to Brazil bring a bevvy of credit cards to be sure to be able to use Ueber.[/QUOTE]If you used your card somewhere other than Uber, it might have been skimmed. In fact I think the same thing happened to me. Uber suddenly rejected one of my cards this morning, and I had to switch to a backup card. I don't know if the first one will ever work again.

But this shit always happens in Brazil. In terms of how far international banks trust Brazil, it is in the bottom league along with North Korea and Somalia. And why? Because the sad truth is that Brazilian guys are always up to some unlikely scam: it doesn't have to work, it just has to be creative! Or uncreative, just as long as it's as a scam!

Traditionally we would avoid using electronic money at all in Brazil. This still leaves you with the problem of exchanging cash. The currency shops are playing harder this year. It's as if they don't like the fact that the Real has dropped so much in value, and they are trying to persuade themselves that it will come back.

I expect all this currency devaluation and pandeconomic hardship will just make Brazilians all the more willing to try new scams. Anybody seeing a rise in xenophobia? Hard times make people grumpy.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2510628]If you used your card somewhere other than Uber, it might have been skimmed. In fact I think the same thing happened to me. Uber suddenly rejected one of my cards this morning, and I had to switch to a backup card. I don't know if the first one will ever work again.

But this shit always happens in Brazil. In terms of how far international banks trust Brazil, it is in the bottom league along with North Korea and Somalia. And why? Because the sad truth is that Brazilian guys are always up to some unlikely scam: it doesn't have to work, it just has to be creative! Or uncreative, just as long as it's as a scam!

Traditionally we would avoid using electronic money at all in Brazil. This still leaves you with the problem of exchanging cash. The currency shops are playing harder this year. It's as if they don't like the fact that the Real has dropped so much in value, and they are trying to persuade themselves that it will come back.

I expect all this currency devaluation and pandeconomic hardship will just make Brazilians all the more willing to try new scams. Anybody seeing a rise in xenophobia? Hard times make people grumpy.[/QUOTE]The only time I have ever used a credit card ever in Brazil has been to settle up my hotel bill (never had a problem). Other than that, it's been cash all the way baby! During my last trip, instead of bringing a bunch of cash with me, I just used ATMs that I considered to be safe (nothing on the street). I routinely checked my account for any funny business, and again no problems. Before I departed the USA, I alerted the bank that I would be traveling to Brazil (also key to not experiencing any issues).

[QUOTE=XXL;2510523]I can recommend Tecfit Jardins for EMS training. I paid just over 400 R for 4 sessions (1 session a week).[/QUOTE]Thanks XXL, appreciate it.

[QUOTE=XXL;2510459]Ueber has started rejecting my credit card all of a sudden. It seems to be still working with Uebereats though. It also works 1 time out of 5 after I reenter it into the system. The alternative to Ueber in Brazil is Taxi 99 but it didn't work after I downloaded it. I see on the Google Play comments that it doesn't work with Android.

So if you come to Brazil bring a bevvy of credit cards to be sure to be able to use Ueber.[/QUOTE]I don't know if this helps but contact your credit card company to let them know your in Brazil (authorized international transactions) and to make sure they didn't suspend your account due to a fraud alert (you card may have been skimmed). Also Uber required me to have two step authorization activated. I never had a issue with my card with Uber.

You can also use Uber cards if you don't want to use cash up front.
[url]https://www.uber.com/br/en/gift-cards/[/url]
[url]https://www.uber.com/br/en/business/features/gift-cards/[/url]

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2510620]In Brazil Uber has a cash option so you don't have to use a credit card. I always use my credit card but the option to use cash is available.[/QUOTE]Yes luckily you can pay cash. However, the purpose of using a credit card is to avoid the hassle (and vicious circle) of carrying enough small change. How do you generate small change? By paying cash elsewhere, so you end using cash a lot more than you would.

Incidentally, Ueber in Brazil has a very bizarre feature in case drivers have no change. I tended a 50-R banknote to pay for a 10-R ride but the driver told me he had no change and I had better pay on the next ride! A very interesting clearing feature. As it happened though, when I called the next ride Ueber asked me "you still owe this amount, do you want to settle now?" I said yes and lo and behold, my credit card was accepted. In other words my credit card got through on the delayed payment. Right after that it was rejected again on the upfront payment for the next ride.

[QUOTE=The Critic;2510699]I don't know if this helps but contact your credit card company to let them know your in Brazil (authorized international transactions) and to make sure they didn't suspend your account due to a fraud alert (you card may have been skimmed). Also Uber required me to have two step authorization activated. I never had a issue with my card with Uber.
[/QUOTE]I've been using this card in Brazil for two and a half months now. Uber has also prompted me to install two-step authorization but without making it a requirement. What it often did until a couple of weeks ago was to send a verification SMS before the ride could begin. It did so quite often, at least every third ride. Now it has stopped doing so for whatever reason, maybe that's not a good sign. I'll be in Peru a week from now so I'm going to pay cash until then. Once in Peru I'll delete my account and start from scratch with my Peru number and another credit card. Even creating a new Uber account is tricky because from what I have read if you use the same phone number OR the same e-mail OR the same credit card Uber may block you. I understand the fraud issues but couldn't they have a real online customer service, at least for power users like me? They're still not profitable after all those years, no wonder if they estrange their best customers through kafkaesque practices.

I'm not too keen on the Uber gift card idea. What if I buy a gift card an Uber rejects it like it did my credit card?

[QUOTE=SnoopySpain;2510457]Wow fantastic experience.

And out of curiosity how much did it cost you to be with them?[/QUOTE]Approx $2200 USD.

A perfect storm of money saved from the quarantine, travel outside the USA, a way to blow off built up pressure and a once in a lifetime experience. Would I do it again — more than likely not.

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2510549]Please share the name of the boate.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I don't remember the name. Wasn't paying attention since I was too busy checking everything out. I was able to track down my last address for the Uber that evening though so I hope that helps.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/RsN7kbqaTeqF4ki76[/URL] are. Augusta, 792 - Cerqueira César, São Paulo. SP, 01304-001, Brazil.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2510733]Approx $2200 USD.

A perfect storm of money saved from the quarantine, travel outside the USA, a way to blow off built up pressure and a once in a lifetime experience. Would I do it again more than likely not.[/QUOTE]Damn, that is expensive. I assumed they stayed with you for 3 days?

I was in SP during the Thanksgiving week. I visited Scandallo and / or Connection every night. The 1-hour rate for a hot chic (8-9) with gfe services at these 2 clubs is 500 max. I did 1 chic at Scandallo for 300/ HR and 1 chic at Connection for 450/ HR at the clubs but their services were just so-so, not up to my gfe standard. I also did one chic from clubmodel at 500/hour but her service was not up to my gfe standard. If any chic wants more than 500, just bargain her down to 500 and if she doesn't budge, just walk away. There is absolutely no need to pay more than 500 per hour for 8-9 chics with gfe in SP. When I am in SP, I only do chics who are 8-9. They cost 1/10 of the rate in my hometown USA (1,000USD per hour for a 8-9 chic).

The most cost effective approach at the clubs is to take WhatsApps of the hot chics and arrange for them to come to your place the next day. If they come to your place, the rate is still 500/hr. Some will want you to send Uber to pick them up and take them home after the session. Uber rate is so minimal in SP so who cares.

However, negotiation for a longer stay is more tricky. During my Thanksgiving trip, one Connection chic who spent several hours making out / dancing with me at the club with no charge came to my place after the club and stayed from around 5 am to around 9 am and was happy with 1,000. She could have stayed until noon for 1,300 but I was too sleepy so I sent her away.

Now I am preparing for my next SP trip from Christmas to the New Year weekend. I want to try a longer-stay arrangement to find out whether I will like it better than the hourly arrangement.

I inquired a few chics for their all-day (24-hour) rates. A hot Scandallo chic quoted me 2,000. A PA chic quoted 2,400. One clubmodel chic asked for 3,000. One SPLove chic asked for 3,000.

I am thinking maybe it's best to keep a chic for fun during the afternoon and go to dinner with her and then back to my place for more fun. Early AM, she can go back to her place to sleep and I will sleep alone. I will be too tired to do anything with her after certain hours anyway so there's no point to keep her overnight. I tend to sleep better alone anyway. So hypothetically, I will negotiate a 12-hour session. She comes to my place in the afternoon and stay 12 hours with me and I pay her 1,500. I think 1,500 is a good deal for a 12-hour stay.

I would love to receive thoughts from others who are more experienced with longer-term arrangement in SP.

Cheers. SP is a paradise on earth for young and beautiful pussies with GFE charm.

When I have time, I will do a comparison between SP and European FKKs in a separate post.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2510733]Approx $2200 USD.

A perfect storm of money saved from the quarantine, travel outside the USA, a way to blow off built up pressure and a once in a lifetime experience. Would I do it again more than likely not.[/QUOTE]2,200 USD extremely well spent my friend. To put things into perspectives, when you are back in the US, a hot chic will quote you 1,000 USD for one hour and even at that exorbitant rate, her service / attitude still may not be GFE. In SP, I can get a chic equally hot with GFE service / attitude for 1/10 of the price, at $100 USD (500 reals) per hour. SP is a paradise for me.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2510860]I was in SP during the Thanksgiving week. I visited Scandallo and / or Connection every night. The 1-hour rate for a hot chic (8-9) with gfe services at these 2 clubs is 500 max. I did 1 chic at Scandallo for 300/ HR and 1 chic at Connection for 450/ HR at the clubs but their services were just so-so, not up to my gfe standard. I also did one chic from clubmodel at 500/hour but her service was not up to my gfe standard. If any chic wants more than 500, just bargain her down to 500 and if she doesn't budge, just walk away. There is absolutely no need to pay more than 500 per hour for 8-9 chics with gfe in SP. When I am in SP, I only do chics who are 8-9. They cost 1/10 of the rate in my hometown USA (1,000USD per hour for a 8-9 chic).[/QUOTE]Given the current exchange rate, if you're trying to pull a top Scandallo girl for 500 reals, that's like $100. To be frank, you're low balling. No wonder what you're getting is so-so service as they're probably annoyed at you and look upon you as being kind of cheap. Just being honest. Now it's your money, but for an hourly toss, you should try sweetening the deal some. Paying more is no guarantee of better service, but constantly low balling sure isn't a winner either. You have to find the sweet spot for the joint you're working. Besides, your own advice doesn't even make any sense. You say no need to ever pay more than 500 reals for GFE in Sao Paulo, but then you yourself reported that you aren't getting GFE for what you're paying! So, which is it? Maybe you think that's how it "ought" to be. But your experience doesn't appear to bear that out according to your own words. I think you would be better off sticking with the clinicas for what you want to pay. But then, in my opinion, the clinica girls don't look as good. But, I did find their service to be good at much lower prices. And yeah, maybe you might do better with the Scandallo types by trying to arrange for something longer at an overall higher payout to them. But, as you have already seen, given the current exchange rate 500 reals for an hour isn't going to get you great service from a Scandallo hottie. I mean, look at it this way. When the exchange rate was 3 to 1, 500 reals was what the lower end of the Scandallo girls were accepting! You're going to need to up your game man, or search elsewhere, like at the clinicas. I'm just telling you how it is. You need to be ready to pay more in order to get a Scandallo hottie to bang your lights out (at Connection you can and should pay less than at Scandallo)!

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2510860]I was in SP during the Thanksgiving week. I visited Scandallo and / or Connection every night. The 1-hour rate for a hot chic (8-9) with gfe services at these 2 clubs is 500 max. I did 1 chic at Scandallo for 300/ HR and 1 chic at Connection for 450/ HR at the clubs but their services were just so-so, not up to my gfe standard. I also did one chic from clubmodel at 500/hour but her service was not up to my gfe standard. If any chic wants more than 500, just bargain her down to 500 and if she doesn't budge, just walk away. There is absolutely no need to pay more than 500 per hour for 8-9 chics with gfe in SP. When I am in SP, I only do chics who are 8-9. They cost 1/10 of the rate in my hometown USA (1,000USD per hour for a 8-9 chic).

The most cost effective approach at the clubs is to take WhatsApps of the hot chics and arrange for them to come to your place the next day. If they come to your place, the rate is still 500/hr. Some will want you to send Uber to pick them up and take them home after the session. Uber rate is so minimal in SP so who cares.

However, negotiation for a longer stay is more tricky. During my Thanksgiving trip, one Connection chic who spent several hours making out / dancing with me at the club with no charge came to my place after the club and stayed from around 5 am to around 9 am and was happy with 1,000. She could have stayed until noon for 1,300 but I was too sleepy so I sent her away.

Now I am preparing for my next SP trip from Christmas to the New Year weekend. I want to try a longer-stay arrangement to find out whether I will like it better than the hourly arrangement..[/QUOTE]I am very interested to hear what is your experience there during Christmas and New Years. Was planning to go there then, but got to wait till Jan. For the prices of the longer term 24 hours, the prices you mentioned are what I was quoted also. When I was there back in August, a Connection girl wanted 1200 and said she will stay for however long I want her to be. Careful though, make sure she keeps her word. And then there is this girl from clubmodel who I met a few times last years for long stays. Wanted 1500 for it, but back in August asked for 3000 for it. I laughed and never contacted her again. So 1200-2500 is reasonable. If she is very pretty and we have chemistry after our initial meet I would agree to 3000 also. I think for those that are more good looking will not budge from under 1200, but of course you can try to low end them, and they will counter you with what they want. But do meet them first for 1 hour or so so they get to know you and they will be more acceptable to lesser price if they find they like you and have chemistry.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2510879]Given the current exchange rate, if you're trying to pull a top Scandallo girl for 500 reals, that's like $100. To be frank, you're low balling. No wonder what you're getting is so-so service as they're probably annoyed at you and look upon you as being kind of cheap. Just being honest. Now it's your money, but for an hourly toss, you should try sweetening the deal some. Paying more is no guarantee of better service, but constantly low balling sure isn't a winner either. You have to find the sweet spot for the joint you're working. Besides, your own advice doesn't even make any sense. You say no need to ever pay more than 500 reals for GFE in Sao Paulo, but then you yourself reported that you aren't getting GFE for what you're paying! So, which is it? Maybe you think that's how it "ought" to be. But your experience doesn't appear to bear that out according to your own words. I think you would be better off sticking with the clinicas for what you want to pay. But then, in my opinion, the clinica girls don't look as good. But, I did find their service to be good at much lower prices. And yeah, maybe you might do better with the Scandallo types by trying to arrange for something longer at an overall higher payout to them. But, as you have already seen, given the current exchange rate 500 reals for an hour isn't going to get you great service from a Scandallo hottie. I mean, look at it this way. When the exchange rate was 3 to 1, 500 reals was what the lower end of the Scandallo girls were accepting! You're going to need to up your game man, or search elsewhere, like at the clinicas. I'm just telling you how it is. You need to be ready to pay more in order to get a Scandallo hottie to bang your lights out (at Connection you can and should pay less than at Scandallo)![/QUOTE]Let me clarify my previous post. When I went back to reread my previous post, I realized that my writing could cause some misunderstanding but it was then too late to edit (ISG only allows editing within 1 hour of posting).

At 500/ hour rate, I was getting lots of 8-9 chics with wonderful GFE service (FKK Globe level / standard of GFE) at Scandallo and Connection. The chic who did 300/ HR at Scandallo and the chic who did 450/ HR at Connection offered such rates to start. I didn't bother to bargain below 500. To me, 500/ HR for an 8-9 with GFE is an unbelievable deal already. Remember, before visiting SP, my standard bearer for GFE pricing is 280 CHF / hour at FKK Globe (3 times the current price at Scandallo / Connection).

After several days at Scandallo and Connection, my conclusion is 500/ HR is the current market price for an 8-9 with GFE service. No bargaining was necessary. Lots of 8-9s offered 500/hr to start and I gladly accepted. Any chics who offer below 500/ HR may be a risk for not delivering GFE (FKK Globe level's GFE). At the current market, any chics who demand above 500/hr are pricing themselves out of the market. These chics spoke some English and thought they could charge a gringo like me above market price.

I like visiting Scandallo and Connection better than the websites. On my whole trip, I only tried one on-line chic (from ClubModel) at 500/ HR and her service was not up to my GFE standard. After that, I didn't even bother going back to online. At the clubs, I could chat and feel the vibes for GFE and usually, I gauged correctly. The chics who behaved GFE outside the room would likely be GFE inside the room. With the online chics, I couldn't gauge the GFE vibes via texting as accurately as in-person and face-to-face flirting.

On my next trip, I will try Bomboa. I didn't know that Bomboa was already open during my last trip.

Currently, SP is a paradise for me. At FKK Globe back in 2019 and before, I was spending at least 1,200 CHF a day (four 1-hour sessions per day). Now at Scandallo, I am having the same fun for much less and in a much more luxurious club with much better food selection, and no second-hand smoking. The real beauty of SP, I believe, is in longer-term arrangements at my luxury apartment and fine dining with the chics at the most luxurious restaurants in SP. I will try some all-day arrangements on my next trip to SP.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2510917]Let me clarify my previous post. When I went back to reread my previous post, I realized that my writing could cause some misunderstanding but it was then too late to edit (ISG only allows editing within 1 hour of posting).

At 500/ hour rate, I was getting lots of 8-9 chics with wonderful GFE service (FKK Globe level / standard of GFE) at Scandallo and Connection. The chic who did 300/ HR at Scandallo and the chic who did 450/ HR at Connection offered such rates to start. I didn't bother to bargain below 500. To me, 500/ HR for an 8-9 with GFE is an unbelievable deal already. Remember, before visiting SP, my standard bearer for GFE pricing is 280 CHF / hour at FKK Globe (3 times the current price at Scandallo / Connection).

After several days at Scandallo and Connection, my conclusion is 500/ HR is the current market price for an 8-9 with GFE service. No bargaining was necessary. Lots of 8-9s offered 500/hr to start and I gladly accepted. Any chics who offer below 500/ HR may be a risk for not delivering GFE (FKK Globe level's GFE). At the current market, any chics who demand above 500/hr are pricing themselves out of the market. These chics spoke some English and thought they could charge a gringo like me above market price.

I like visiting Scandallo and Connection better than the websites. On my whole trip, I only tried one on-line chic (from ClubModel) at 500/ HR and her service was not up to my GFE standard. After that, I didn't even bother going back to online. At the clubs, I could chat and feel the vibes for GFE and usually, I gauged correctly. The chics who behaved GFE outside the room would likely be GFE inside the room. With the online chics, I couldn't gauge the GFE vibes via texting as accurately as in-person and face-to-face flirting..[/QUOTE]That re-write gives quite a different impression. Like the complete opposite. It has been well over a year since I have been to Sao Paulo. At that time, I believe that the exchange rate was like 4 to 1, if I recall correctly. No way was a top Scandallo girl going to accept 500 reals for an hour. But, that was pre-pandemic times too. I'm sure all the girls are a lot more "thirsty" to earn at this time. For me, compared to Switzerland, Brazil was already an unbelievable deal pre-pandemic. I've always believed the cost of a piece of ass (and everything else) was way too much in Switzerland. Especially when I could just go to Germany and fuck the same quality of girls for half the price. Yes, I am one of the ones who doesn't believe that the girls working the top clubs in Switzerland look better than the ones in Germany or provide better service. But no need to have that debate here in this thread. Look, I'm glad you're having a great time in Brazil at pandemic pricing! Clinicas got to be dirt cheap! Wish I was there. I could go, but I've decided to wait at least until the vaccines are widely rolled out around the world.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2510831]Damn, that is expensive. I assumed they stayed with you for 3 days?[/QUOTE]Yes. From Friday evening till Sunday late afternoon.

I like the getting to know each other part. Not a wham bam thank you ma'am kinda of dude. So, to keep trying different girls really doesn't do it for me.

Plus like "DiverOyster" said. A hot chick in the USA would charge me $1000 for a hour. I live in a city where the quality isn't great and I can say that I actually got way more than my money's worth. Escorts in my town charge $200-500 per hour and they are fat fucking starfish with no GFE skills whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2511027]Yes. From Friday evening till Sunday late afternoon.

I like the getting to know each other part. Not a wham bam thank you ma'am kinda of dude. So, to keep trying different girls really doesn't do it for me.

Plus like "DiverOyster" said. A hot chick in the USA would charge me $1000 for a hour. I live in a city where the quality isn't great and I can say that I actually got way more than my money's worth. Escorts in my town charge $200-500 per hour and they are fat fucking starfish with no GFE skills whatsoever.[/QUOTE]That is reasonable then for 3 days and $2200. I thought it was only for 1 day. Good deal.

Hi guys just wondering if any boots on the ground can report any busty Asian-Latinas given the high percentage of Asians in SP. Looking for the best of both worlds. Thanks for any replies.

So I have been scouring all the websites, private55, clubmodel, splove for SP so I can find out who I would like to meet in January. But I did not find any of the girls attractive or attractive enough or stunning for me to want to meet her. Is it me and what I have become that my standard is soo high right now and have no way of lowering it? Or the quality is lower because of covid? Also, I see the same faces everytime in those website. Hopefully when I go to the clubs I can find plenty of my tastes LOL. Rio is even worse as I looked at barravip etc also. Well damn.

Hope SP don't go into another lockdown or worse restrictions than now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2510879]But, as you have already seen, given the current exchange rate 500 reals for an hour isn't going to get you great service from a Scandallo hottie.[/QUOTE]It gets me great service. Not always, but if the chemistry isn't right, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help.

"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy. " -- Steve Martin.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2511446]It gets me great service. Not always, but if the chemistry isn't right, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help.

"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy. " -- Steve Martin.[/QUOTE]With a 9 or 10? You left that part out LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2510976]That re-write gives quite a different impression. Like the complete opposite. It has been well over a year since I have been to Sao Paulo. At that time, I believe that the exchange rate was like 4 to 1, if I recall correctly. No way was a top Scandallo girl going to accept 500 reals for an hour. But, that was pre-pandemic times too. I'm sure all the girls are a lot more "thirsty" to earn at this time. For me, compared to Switzerland, Brazil was already an unbelievable deal pre-pandemic. I've always believed the cost of a piece of ass (and everything else) was way too much in Switzerland. Especially when I could just go to Germany and fuck the same quality of girls for half the price. Yes, I am one of the ones who doesn't believe that the girls working the top clubs in Switzerland look better than the ones in Germany or provide better service. But no need to have that debate here in this thread. Look, I'm glad you're having a great time in Brazil at pandemic pricing! Clinicas got to be dirt cheap! Wish I was there. I could go, but I've decided to wait at least until the vaccines are widely rolled out around the world.[/QUOTE]Girls can ask the price they want. I know some people pay 700 for a girl doesn't worth even 200. A nice girl came to my place for 250 + Uber for an hour. She has 17.000 followers on Instagram and a lot of pictures and videos. Good fuck, great for the price. An agency sent one for 400 that I sent back because she wasn't the girl of the pictures. Another one didn't want to kiss and blow me without, which was agreed in the messages. I didn't know I was speaking with the agency. She went home, and she paid for her Uber. She was mad with the agency. When there is an agency in the middle, prices aren't good and performance are even worse. Some girl asked me 700 for an hour, one asked me 1000. There is no girl on the earth with that value in Brasil, not a single one. I do not pay 1000 for an hour, no one should. I found a girl, 21, all natural with just some lips injection, which I love, who does one of the best blow / hand job I ever had. And she is like my girlfriend when she is with me. She even speaks English. What can a 1000 girl give me more? Most likely nothing. Scandallo girls are the same prepagos you pay 200 or 300 per hour. They do ask twice the price at Scandallo. One was in my room yesterday and we have spoken about the place. She told me: when I'm there I do ask a lot of money, because people there have a lot of money. Of course, if you are willing to spend 350 just to be in the place, then you should spend 900 to pay a girl. I don't do that. I can, but I don't do that, because there is no woman worth that amount in Sao Paulo. Best website is Fatalmodel, because you can see a video and have a real idea how the girl looks. I stopped to use all the others. That's the only one reliable.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2511446]It gets me great service. Not always, but if the chemistry isn't right, throwing money at the problem isn't going to help.

"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy. " -- Steve Martin.[/QUOTE]True. It is not the amount of money. You can pay a girl 3000 but if the chemistry isn't there, the sex will be mediocre. That's why I do not pay more than 500. I can, but I do not. When I was in Medellin my best fuck was with a girl that came to my place without an agreement. We had sex, the best I had in two weeks, then after, after two hours and two shots, I gave her what I wanted. She didn't even count the money. And she paid for her Uber. We met on Badoo, she liked me, I liked her, we fucked and she got a gift. It's always better go for an hour, it's a test drive. You can buy her time, but you can't pretend she is attracted if she is not, not even will all the money in the world. If she doesn't like you and there is no chemistry, even if you paid 5000, the sex will be bad.

[QUOTE=DCups;2511094]Hi guys just wondering if any boots on the ground can report any busty Asian-Latinas given the high percentage of Asians in SP. Looking for the best of both worlds. Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]Similarly I was wondering if any boobs on the ground could report any flashy Asians with red-hot boots. Looking for the best of both boots and boobs.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2511448]Girls can ask the price they want. I know some people pay 700 for a girl doesn't worth even 200. A nice girl came to my place for 250 + Uber for an hour. She has 17.000 followers on Instagram and a lot of pictures and videos. Good fuck, great for the price. An agency sent one for 400 that I sent back because she wasn't the girl of the pictures. Another one didn't want to kiss and blow me without, which was agreed in the messages. I didn't know I was speaking with the agency. She went home, and she paid for her Uber. She was mad with the agency. When there is an agency in the middle, prices aren't good and performance are even worse. Some girl asked me 700 for an hour, one asked me 1000. There is no girl on the earth with that value in Brasil, not a single one. I do not pay 1000 for an hour, no one should. I found a girl, 21, all natural with just some lips injection, which I love, who does one of the best blow / hand job I ever had. And she is like my girlfriend when she is with me. She even speaks English. What can a 1000 girl give me more? Most likely nothing. Scandallo girls are the same prepagos you pay 200 or 300 per hour. They do ask twice the price at Scandallo. One was in my room yesterday and we have spoken about the place. She told me: when I'm there I do ask a lot of money, because people there have a lot of money. Of course, if you are willing to spend 350 just to be in the place, then you should spend 900 to pay a girl. I don't do that. I can, but I don't do that, because there is no woman worth that amount in Sao Paulo. Best website is Fatalmodel, because you can see a video and have a real idea how the girl looks. I stopped to use all the others. That's the only one reliable.[/QUOTE]OK, but you're not comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. You're all over the place. The specific focus, at least mine, was on Scandallo. I do believe, just like with other services, things like who, what, when and where impacts "how much". I don't accept that "one budget fits all" when it comes to pussy, just like with other types of personal services. But hey, you do you. Knock yourself out!

First day in SP:

Tried to go to Spicy Bar aka Hot bar but it closes at 10 pm. The bouncer gave me name of another bar named Gauguin that stays open till 5 am.

The club started warming up after 11. Apparently it has different activities on different days. I happened to be there on best day. It was a swing party, disco, brothel, hooker pickup all packed in one. Also seemed like a place where relatively aged males bring their young girlfriends to satisfy their bisexuality. After a while, you will see all over place girls rubbing and kissing each other, while their BF stands on the sideline. Some couples were having sex in the middle of crowd, some upstairs with open drapes for all to see.

I picked up a college student in mid twenties, she said she needed money for college. She wasn't lying I checked. She quoted 700 R. I was told by a local that 400 is THE price. After some bargaining and back and forth she agreed. 400 R for her and 100 R room rent upstairs for 1 hour. We fooled around kissing, dancing, rubbing, drinking before going into room. Unlike other cities, where a girl tries to score as many guys possible to make most money. She just hung out with me all night, till 3 am. That's like taking GFE experience to whole new level. I am not sure if it got lucky or it's the norm. I will find out soon. She was also attracted to other girls, and must have french kissed 10 other girls randomly during the night. At one point, there were 2 girls french kissing, both in early 20's. She asked if she could join, then all 3 were kissing each other. Its a rare sight in my experience. Kissing and rubbing in some cases got so intense that their skirts pulled up all the way to waist and they didn't seem to care.

The entrance was 120 and after drinks and room for my girlfriend-of-the-night, the total bill came out 450 ($83 usd).

[QUOTE=Meistro1;2509241]Not her specifically but the last two girls I had over for 200 were both very attractive.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/ninfeta-namoradinha-com-local-discreto-id-fav5b[/URL]

This was actually the last girl I had over. 350, a little pricey, but money well spent. 5'4, 50kg, really bubbly personality and great BBBJ and DFK. 19 years old from Brazilia. Was actually glowing for a couple hours after the experience haha, and we didn't even have intercourse. But her head game was on point.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/gata-sarada-especialista-em-te-dar-prazer-venha-conhecer-id-aujws[/URL]

This one only wanted 150, although I gave her 200 cause I'm a nice guy.[/QUOTE]I have never tried PA. I contacted 2 gorgeous girls on PA. Their prices are so low at 200/ HR. I may go to their respective apt to check it out. I will just walk away if they don't look like their pictures on PA.

Last Saturday I missed Pamela by a couple of minutes. Pamela was girl I wouldn't hesitate to go with for 600 if I saw her at Scandallo. She got scooped up before my eyes by a customer who was already seated when I entered. Another, less spectacular new girl I saw for the first time Saturday was Lorena.

So today I went to Abbobora with a view to session Pamela, or, failing her, Lorena. No luck. I was told those 2 girls were freelances, whatever that meant, and only came on Saturdays.

So there you are, in this clinic Saturday is the best day of the week if you want to see something different from the standard line-up.

[QUOTE=Jojab007;2511504]First day in SP:

Tried to go to Spicy Bar aka Hot bar but it closes at 10 pm. The bouncer gave me name of another bar named Gauguin that stays open till 5 am.

The club started warming up after 11. Apparently it has different activities on different days. I happened to be there on best day. It was a swing party, disco, brothel, hooker pickup all packed in one. Also seemed like a place where relatively aged males bring their young girlfriends to satisfy their bisexuality. After a while, you will see all over place girls rubbing and kissing each other, while their BF stands on the sideline. Some couples were having sex in the middle of crowd, some upstairs with open drapes for all to see.

I picked up a college student in mid twenties, she said she needed money for college. She wasn't lying I checked. She quoted 700 R. I was told by a local that 400 is THE price. After some bargaining and back and forth she agreed. 400 R for her and 100 R room rent upstairs for 1 hour. We fooled around kissing, dancing, rubbing, drinking before going into room. Unlike other cities, where a girl tries to score as many guys possible to make most money..[/QUOTE]Could you tell us what day is that? What a sight to see, would have brought them all to Asturias for a reverse gb LOL? And yes compared to FKK and Brazil, the girls will hang out with you and not rush you. That is why I like Brazil better than FKK, and not keep telling you to go to room, or rush off if they know you are wasting their time. If you ever meet someone who keeps rushing or pushing you in Brazil, know that is a red flag for bad experience, but I have not experienced it yet.

Will you be going to other clubs that was never or not much spoken here? Such as Imperium club Moema, Lotus club, etc? Please tell us your experience if or after you go there.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2511448]Girls can ask the price they want. I know some people pay 700 for a girl doesn't worth even 200. A nice girl came to my place for 250 + Uber for an hour. She has 17.000 followers on Instagram and a lot of pictures and videos. Good fuck, great for the price. An agency sent one for 400 that I sent back because she wasn't the girl of the pictures. Another one didn't want to kiss and blow me without, which was agreed in the messages. I didn't know I was speaking with the agency. She went home, and she paid for her Uber. She was mad with the agency. When there is an agency in the middle, prices aren't good and performance are even worse. Some girl asked me 700 for an hour, one asked me 1000. There is no girl on the earth with that value in Brasil, not a single one. I do not pay 1000 for an hour, no one should. I found a girl, 21, all natural with just some lips injection, which I love, who does one of the best blow / hand job I ever had. And she is like my girlfriend when she is with me. She even speaks English. What can a 1000 girl give me more? Most likely nothing. Scandallo girls are the same prepagos you pay 200 or 300 per hour. They do ask twice the price at Scandallo. One was in my room yesterday and we have spoken about the place. She told me: when I'm there I do ask a lot of money, because people there have a lot of money. Of course, if you are willing to spend 350 just to be in the place, then you should spend 900 to pay a girl. I don't do that. I can, but I don't do that, because there is no woman worth that amount in Sao Paulo. Best website is Fatalmodel, because you can see a video and have a real idea how the girl looks. I stopped to use all the others. That's the only one reliable..[/QUOTE]Interesting; how did you find that girl from Instagram?

Something similar happened to me a few years back. Got there as the presentation was going on for someone else and this blonde came through who got picked. I said fine and went with someone else. Went to the hotel and showered / ate. Then said fukk it and went back. Got the blonde. Had a fun time. We exchanged numbers and decided to go to a steakhouse together. We were chatting and I explained to her what happened. She showed me the picture of the other girl who's her roommate / best friend that I took. Had a laugh about that. Then went back to the hotel. Hit the mini bar and had a good workout before an uber home.

All in all I found Abbobora to be worth the extra money.

[QUOTE=XXL;2511652]Last Saturday I missed Pamela by a couple of minutes. Pamela was girl I wouldn't hesitate to go with for 600 if I saw her at Scandallo. She got scooped up before my eyes by a customer who was already seated when I entered. Another, less spectacular new girl I saw for the first time Saturday was Lorena.

So today I went to Abbobora with a view to session Pamela, or, failing her, Lorena. No luck. I was told those 2 girls were freelances, whatever that meant, and only came on Saturdays.

So there you are, in this clinic Saturday is the best day of the week if you want to see something different from the standard line-up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2511369]So I have been scouring all the websites, private55, clubmodel, splove for SP so I can find out who I would like to meet in January. But I did not find any of the girls attractive or attractive enough or stunning for me to want to meet her. Is it me and what I have become that my standard is soo high right now and have no way of lowering it? Or the quality is lower because of covid? Also, I see the same faces everytime in those website. Hopefully when I go to the clubs I can find plenty of my tastes LOL. Rio is even worse as I looked at barravip etc also. Well damn.

Hope SP don't go into another lockdown or worse restrictions than now.[/QUOTE]I can never honestly say whether the selections are better or worse for any taste other than my own. Personally, I feel like there are stretches when I am seeing new hotties more frequently than other times. But I think you just have to take what SP gives you at any moment and be grateful. I am very selective and so I do not expect to be overwhelmed with "must see" choices. When I go to a clinica if I see 1 new chick that is a "must try" that is great and if there are 2 its a bonanza. When I look at the escort sites, there are seldom new "must see" anuncios, but over time there is movement. Confirmation bias plays a big role which is why I think so many guys have different impressions of the same lineup. Some guys will be like "wow, great lineup" if there are 2 hotties for his taste. Another guy, same lineup "Meh".

In general, I think the best approach is diversification. Don't bank to heavily on finding exactly your type, or your venue + type. The diamonds are scattered around in the clinicas, the boates, and the freelancers.

[QUOTE=DCups;2511094]Hi guys just wondering if any boots on the ground can report any busty Asian-Latinas given the high percentage of Asians in SP. Looking for the best of both worlds. Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/orientais[/URL]

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/procurar.japinha[/URL]

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/sexo-anal/procurar.jap[/URL]

Here this is the most effective way I have found in terms of a decent number of girls. My observations indicate that although SP hosts the largest (yes) Japanese Diaspora community in the world there are a limited number of girls who professionally do it so they appear to be slightly more cost since they are a niche. Don't expect to get the full kimono experience unless they specifically advertise it, these girls for the most part are multi-generational Brasileiras, many who advertise are probably only half or 1/4 Asian if that is important to you. There are two that occasionally advertise 3 somes and I have considered trying them if they are still doing that when I finally do go. There's just something so hot about two toned Asian chicks conversing in a deep Latin language.

Anyone stayed in Maksoud Plaza before? Is it girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2511448]Girls can ask the price they want. I know some people pay 700 for a girl doesn't worth even 200. A nice girl came to my place for 250 + Uber for an hour. She has 17.000 followers on Instagram and a lot of pictures and videos. Good fuck, great for the price. An agency sent one for 400 that I sent back because she wasn't the girl of the pictures. Another one didn't want to kiss and blow me without, which was agreed in the messages. I didn't know I was speaking with the agency. She went home, and she paid for her Uber. She was mad with the agency. When there is an agency in the middle, prices aren't good and performance are even worse. Some girl asked me 700 for an hour, one asked me 1000. There is no girl on the earth with that value in Brasil, not a single one. I do not pay 1000 for an hour, no one should. I found a girl, 21, all natural with just some lips injection, which I love, who does one of the best blow / hand job I ever had. And she is like my girlfriend when she is with me. She even speaks English. What can a 1000 girl give me more? Most likely nothing. Scandallo girls are the same prepagos you pay 200 or 300 per hour. They do ask twice the price at Scandallo. One was in my room yesterday and we have spoken about the place. She told me: when I'm there I do ask a lot of money, because people there have a lot of money. Of course, if you are willing to spend 350 just to be in the place, then you should spend 900 to pay a girl. I don't do that. I can, but I don't do that, because there is no woman worth that amount in Sao Paulo. Best website is Fatalmodel, because you can see a video and have a real idea how the girl looks. I stopped to use all the others. That's the only one reliable.[/QUOTE]Agreed on all points, I've been doing this long enough to know that the key to a good trip is to always have contingencies and not have all your hopes staked on one or two girls but have a cheat list of like 20 and of course self-disciplining yourself on redflags, IE when to walk away because especially in SP there's always more Perhaps a shotgun approach but rather closed choke pattern LOL. Thanks for the fatalmodel heads up they look like a far superior resource.

[QUOTE=Jojab007;2511504]
Tried to go to Spicy Bar aka Hot bar but it closes at 10 pm. The bouncer gave me name of another bar named Gauguin that stays open till 5 am.
100 R room rent upstairs for 1 hour. [/QUOTE]Damn, wish I had try this club while visiting.

Would you considered this place low end of boate?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2511792]

In general, I think the best approach is diversification. Don't bank to heavily on finding exactly your type, or your venue + type. The diamonds are scattered around in the clinicas, the boates, and the freelancers.[/QUOTE]Great point. Can't imagine what Sao Paulo would have look before Covid with all the options available.

Even with limited options, it is still place to be at this time IMHO.

It was Saturday night. I have been told nightlife kicks in on Wednesday completely dies on Sunday. I will try other bars starting Wednesdays and post reports. What I have heard Saturday is THE night everywhere.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2511678]Could you tell us what day is that? What a sight to see, would have brought them all to Asturias for a reverse gb LOL? And yes compared to FKK and Brazil, the girls will hang out with you and not rush you. That is why I like Brazil better than FKK, and not keep telling you to go to room, or rush off if they know you are wasting their time. If you ever meet someone who keeps rushing or pushing you in Brazil, know that is a red flag for bad experience, but I have not experienced it yet.

Will you be going to other clubs that was never or not much spoken here? Such as Imperium club Moema, Lotus club, etc? Please tell us your experience if or after you go there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2511792]I can never honestly say whether the selections are better or worse for any taste other than my own. Personally, I feel like there are stretches when I am seeing new hotties more frequently than other times. But I think you just have to take what SP gives you at any moment and be grateful. I am very selective and so I do not expect to be overwhelmed with "must see" choices. When I go to a clinica if I see 1 new chick that is a "must try" that is great and if there are 2 its a bonanza. When I look at the escort sites, there are seldom new "must see" anuncios, but over time there is movement. Confirmation bias plays a big role which is why I think so many guys have different impressions of the same lineup. Some guys will be like "wow, great lineup" if there are 2 hotties for his taste. Another guy, same lineup "Meh".

In general, I think the best approach is diversification. Don't bank to heavily on finding exactly your type, or your venue + type. The diamonds are scattered around in the clinicas, the boates, and the freelancers.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree. I'm sure this will all be solved once I visit one of the boates or clinicas LOL. Have not had a chance to follow your advice on clinicas yet, as every time I was there, I visited boates and got what I wanted. Also found freelancers on fatamodel who I just contacted, gave me her instagram, and from her instagram it seems like I follow one of her followers too, makes me wonder if that follower of hers does freelancing too LOL. All of them did modelling for magazines.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511447]
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2511446]It gets me great service.[/QUOTE]
With a 9 or 10? You left that part out LOL!
[/QUOTE]Salaam Citizen. Probably 10's on your scale. 8's on mine.

I just did a foursome with three 7's to celebrate my 777th post. Can't wait till I get to 999.

[QUOTE=Jojab007;2511504]First day in SP:

Tried to go to Spicy Bar aka Hot bar but it closes at 10 pm. The bouncer gave me name of another bar named Gauguin that stays open till 5 am.

The club started warming up after 11. Apparently it has different activities on different days. I happened to be there on best day. It was a swing party, disco, brothel, hooker pickup all packed in one. Also seemed like a place where relatively aged males bring their young girlfriends to satisfy their bisexuality. After a while, you will see all over place girls rubbing and kissing each other, while their BF stands on the sideline. Some couples were having sex in the middle of crowd, some upstairs with open drapes for all to see.

I picked up a college student in mid twenties, she said she needed money for college. She wasn't lying I checked. She quoted 700 R. I was told by a local that 400 is THE price. After some bargaining and back and forth she agreed. 400 R for her and 100 R room rent upstairs for 1 hour. We fooled around kissing, dancing, rubbing, drinking before going into room. Unlike other cities, where a girl tries to score as many guys possible to make most money. She just hung out with me all night, till 3 am. That's like taking GFE experience to whole new level..[/QUOTE]I think your math is wrong:

400 the girl + 120 the entrance + 100 the room + x for the drinks = 400 + 120 + 100 + x = 620 + x = $122 + x.

Most likely $130 not $83. But if you spent 3 hours with her and at least two shots, that's a good deal.

One thing I noticed is that the quality doesn't make the price. There are girls much more attractive than other asking half of the money. There are ugly prepagos asking 500/ h, and hot ones, asking for 250. You know, one girl can score a client every two days at 500 or 700 and be happy with that. As a matter of principle I'm not going to pay more than 500/ h, and IMHO it's already too much. And for 500 they need to come to my place, I'm not going to visit a girl in a nasty flat for 500.

How many girls did you see in the club and which was the level?

[QUOTE=Gimmedub;2511699]Something similar happened to me a few years back. Got there as the presentation was going on for someone else and this blonde came through who got picked. I said fine and went with someone else. Went to the hotel and showered / ate. Then said fukk it and went back. Got the blonde. Had a fun time. We exchanged numbers and decided to go to a steakhouse together. We were chatting and I explained to her what happened. She showed me the picture of the other girl who's her roommate / best friend that I took. Had a laugh about that. Then went back to the hotel. Hit the mini bar and had a good workout before an uber home.

All in all I found Abbobora to be worth the extra money.[/QUOTE]I don't know if other guys have noticed this. I have been to Abbobora on a few occasions and saw really hot girls walking by the paying area who do not participate in the lineup.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2511868]Salaam Citizen. Probably 10's on your scale. 8's on mine.

I just did a foursome with three 7's to celebrate my 777th post. Can't wait till I get to 999.[/QUOTE]Is she a 7 or an 8 on your scale? Because she's a 10 on mine. You don't get to butt fuck these types for 400 or 500 reals, let alone bang them all night for that price. Salaam! And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2511448]Girls can ask the price they want. I know some people pay 700 for a girl doesn't worth even 200. A nice girl came to my place for 250 + Uber for an hour. She has 17.000 followers on Instagram and a lot of pictures and videos. Good fuck, great for the price.[/QUOTE]She sounds like a pro. Is there a reason you can't share her name?

I was hoping someone would have already asked this question.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2511448]Best website is Fatalmodel, because you can see a video and have a real idea how the girl looks. I stopped to use all the others. That's the only one reliable.[/QUOTE]I checked out Fatalmodel. It seems legit for a few reasons. There is a wide age range not just glossy photos of very young women who come and go. And yes, the videos are genuine and not glossy. I kind of laugh that they have the women stand, pose and rotate with a card that looks more like a police photo shoot than an erotic shoot. Some of the women look very different in their videos than their professional photos. The videos are dated and some of the photos look like they are from several years and several kilos ago.

Lastly, many of the women look like women you will find in the clinicas. There were a few stars on the site. So yes, thanks. It seems like a very valid website for escorts.

[QUOTE=XXL;2510703]Yes luckily you can pay cash. However, the purpose of using a credit card is to avoid the hassle (and vicious circle) of carrying enough small change. How do you generate small change? By paying cash elsewhere, so you end using cash a lot more than you would.
[/QUOTE]The convenience of using a card with Uber Brasil is certainly tempting. But I shared my card with them, and within 48 hours fraudsters were attempting to feed it into eDreams. Maybe instead of accusing consumers of being careless Uber should take a look in the mirror.

Every gringo should select the cash option with Uber Brasil.

Try to make friends with locals in the high end clubs not just in SP. They like to host sex parties and condoms are optional.

There is a reason why there are motels and sex shops on every block, both pros and non pros show up.

My friend told me the girls were free but maybe he just did not want me to pay for anything.

Seems like some people just don't care about covid or HIV these days nor do many girls take contraceptives.

There are many urgent care clinics, take the girl to get tested together and have fun later and this sets up a level of trust and she might end up fucking for free like a GF.

SP girls are becoming like girls in Europe, services can be ala carte by paying for each fetish. This may be better because many girls will say they do everything (faco tudo) but really need to be specific and just pay for each service like 100 R in the clubs or 50 R in the clinics.

Which is what makes Brasil and Sampa such a cornucopia. I have my "type" preferences, yes, but find that it takes me a looong time to choose someone and often it's a combination of looks and vibe and some other ill defined parameter. Which is why I like boates, I can spend hours just looking and fantasizing. FKK is good for this too.

Clinicas tend to be more in and out. Does anyone know a clinica where they encourage you can hang for awhile between sessions? I remember hanging out with ABG (rest his soul) with some of his buddies downstairs at Tangara but at the other clinicas when I went alone I felt uncomfortable.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2511792]
In general, I think the best approach is diversification. Don't bank to heavily on finding exactly your type, or your venue + type. The diamonds are scattered around in the clinicas, the boates, and the freelancers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511976]Is she a 7 or an 8 on your scale? Because she's a 10 on mine. You don't get to butt fuck these types for 400 or 500 reals, let alone bang them all night for that price. Salaam! And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all![/QUOTE]Maybe 7. Need more pictures from different angles. Lips made the scale down to 7. Without that thick make up its a 7. I won't pay more than 500 for that. LOL, I think I can find better. Sorry my standards so high hahaha.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2511971]I don't know if other guys have noticed this. I have been to Abbobora on a few occasions and saw really hot girls walking by the paying area who do not participate in the lineup.[/QUOTE]It could be that they are pretty much booked up for the day? When I was in Sampa for 2015 with work, I kept hearing about a girl called Grazie at Brooklin but she was never in the line-up. Turns out she was pretty much booked up all day on the days that she worked.

[QUOTE=DCups;2511094]Hi guys just wondering if any boots on the ground can report any busty Asian-Latinas given the high percentage of Asians in SP. Looking for the best of both worlds. Thanks for any replies.[/QUOTE]Busty enough for you? Her name is Suzuki, she's from Manaus, but she's in Sao Paulo for the week.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511976]Is she a 7 or an 8 on your scale? Because she's a 10 on mine. You don't get to butt fuck these types for 400 or 500 reals, let alone bang them all night for that price. Salaam! And a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all![/QUOTE]That photo made me yell "[B][NOPARSE]جمل البنت جمل البنت[/NOPARSE][/B]" ! How did you get Kayleigh McEnany to come to Brazil with you?

But the boobs look fake to me. And the hair roots are dark. The eyebrows are painted on. And the eye color is nice but presumably contact lenses. So on my scale she would be an 8+. Just being honest. On my scale, to be a 9 it isn't enough to be a Barbie, she's got to be Real. Very few girls are 9's to me, not even movie stars. As for 10, that is just a theoretical figure, like the speed of light. Nobody is a 10.

[QUOTE=Jojab007;2511864]It was Saturday night. I have been told nightlife kicks in on Wednesday completely dies on Sunday. I will try other bars starting Wednesdays and post reports. What I have heard Saturday is THE night everywhere.[/QUOTE]I will check out Gauguin with my super hot Scandallo babe on the Saturday after Christmas Day and if good, also on the Saturday after New Year's Day. I plan to do my girl in public while she's kissing and eating out other girls. I always love public sex. The last time I had public sex was at FKK Globe at end of 2019. It has been too long.

[QUOTE=Jojab007;2511864]It was Saturday night. I have been told nightlife kicks in on Wednesday completely dies on Sunday. I will try other bars starting Wednesdays and post reports. What I have heard Saturday is THE night everywhere.[/QUOTE]Actually, I found Saturday nights to be more quiet at Scandallo than Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday nights. This observation was confirmed by a Scandallo girl, who said that on Saturday nights, the married guys have to be with their families.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2510903]I am very interested to hear what is your experience there during Christmas and New Years. Was planning to go there then, but got to wait till Jan. For the prices of the longer term 24 hours, the prices you mentioned are what I was quoted also. When I was there back in August, a Connection girl wanted 1200 and said she will stay for however long I want her to be. Careful though, make sure she keeps her word. And then there is this girl from clubmodel who I met a few times last years for long stays. Wanted 1500 for it, but back in August asked for 3000 for it. I laughed and never contacted her again. So 1200-2500 is reasonable. If she is very pretty and we have chemistry after our initial meet I would agree to 3000 also. I think for those that are more good looking will not budge from under 1200, but of course you can try to low end them, and they will counter you with what they want. But do meet them first for 1 hour or so so they get to know you and they will be more acceptable to lesser price if they find they like you and have chemistry.[/QUOTE]I agree. If she likes you and enjoys being with you, she will charge a minimal rate. A super hot and super GFE solid 8+ (tall 5'9" slim, with long slender legs and long brunette hair, flat tummy, slender ass, pretty face) asked me a paltry 1,000 for 24 horas, dai enteiro. She's a classic European beauty with slender, tall figure and long legs. I had met her at Scandallo on my last trip and invited her to my place the next day, 500/ hour. She genuinely enjoyed the time we spent together so much that her rate went from 500/ HR to 1,000/24 hours. She even offered BBFS if I'm up for it. Unbelievable deal. She offered 1,000/24 horas and I gladly accepted. No bargaining was involved. I may keep her for days and hang out with her like a girlfriend. I love Brazilian girls. They are so sensual.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2512150]Actually, I found Saturday nights to be more quiet at Scandallo than Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday nights. This observation was confirmed by a Scandallo girl, who said that on Saturday nights, the married guys have to be with their families.[/QUOTE]My (pre Covid) experience was same. Maybe 50 girls at Scandallo on a Sat vs 150 on a Friday. Same on a Thursday 150+. Hadn't heard the married guys line. The explanation I was given is that So Paulo is a business city so more action on the weeknights. On the other hand Casarao was packed on a Saturday at 4 AM (technically Sunday).

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2512158]I agree. If she likes you and enjoys being with you, she will charge a minimal rate. A super hot and super GFE solid 8+ (tall 5'9" slim, with long slender legs and long brunette hair, flat tummy, slender ass, pretty face) asked me a paltry 1,000 for 24 horas, dai enteiro. She's a classic European beauty with slender, tall figure and long legs. I had met her at Scandallo on my last trip and invited her to my place the next day, 500/ hour. She genuinely enjoyed the time we spent together so much that her rate went from 500/ HR to 1,000/24 hours. She even offered BBFS if I'm up for it. Unbelievable deal. She offered 1,000/24 horas and I gladly accepted. No bargaining was involved. I may keep her for days and hang out with her like a girlfriend. I love Brazilian girls. They are so sensual.[/QUOTE]That is nice to hear, you making me wish I was there in Scandallo now, enjoy that rate while you still can, because the next time you go to SP again and want to meet her, she probably will triple that price LOL. I do like tall girls too, and as long as she does not look like a Barbie plastic doll I will be interested. I like going to moteis with them, its funner. How is it so easy to get offers of BBFS? I never got offered it before, even though I'm always cleanly shaven and washed LOL, how did you get them to offer that? Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2512172]My (pre Covid) experience was same. Maybe 50 girls at Scandallo on a Sat vs 150 on a Friday. Same on a Thursday 150+. Hadn't heard the married guys line. The explanation I was given is that So Paulo is a business city so more action on the weeknights. On the other hand Casarao was packed on a Saturday at 4 AM (technically Sunday).[/QUOTE]Yes, Saturday is slower, and Sunday can be quite dead. Fridays is Japonese day, as many Japanese men go to scandallo.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2512143]That photo made me yell "[B][NOPARSE]جمل البنت جمل البنت[/NOPARSE][/B]" ! How did you get Kayleigh McEnany to come to Brazil with you?

But the boobs look fake to me. And the hair roots are dark. The eyebrows are painted on. And the eye color is nice but presumably contact lenses. So on my scale she would be an 8+. Just being honest. On my scale, to be a 9 it isn't enough to be a Barbie, she's got to be Real. Very few girls are 9's to me, not even movie stars. As for 10, that is just a theoretical figure, like the speed of light. Nobody is a 10.[/QUOTE]Everybody has their own philosophy. No girl is worth more than 400 reals. There's no such thing as a 10. I don't subscribe to either one of those. Yes, in the previous pic she was heavily made up like Kayleigh McEnany (have you ever seen Kayleigh without her makeup). She's a model. Her boobs are fake. I normally like natural, but a nice boob job is OK too. No way this girl is just a 7. You guys are just talking shit to try to clown me. I have impeccable taste, and I know it. At the end of the day, I don't care how anybody else rates any girl I fuck. I paid to fuck that tute! You didn't! Now, I wonder if Kayleigh McEnany does anal? Because I'm up for the job, and will pay her a high, high, high premium to account for her gorgeous, public figure status. LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2512031]Maybe 7. Need more pictures from different angles. Lips made the scale down to 7. Without that thick make up its a 7. I won't pay more than 500 for that. LOL, I think I can find better. Sorry my standards so high hahaha.[/QUOTE]Talk lots of smack, but never, ever post any photos of their own! Anybody else notice that? Of course you have. And often when they do, I'm the one who finds myself not being so impressed. You can do better? Let's see then. I feel like anybody with the money required can "do better" with the girl they like and want. Simple as that. And for 500 reals? You're not getting that! At least pre-pandemic times you're not. "Kayleigh McEnany" doesn't let you cornhole her tight branca anus for 500 reals at a 5 to 1 exchange rate LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2512257]Talk lots of smack, but never, ever post any photos of their own! Anybody else notice that? Of course you have. And often when they do, I'm the one who finds myself not being so impressed. You can do better? Let's see then. I feel like anybody with the money required can "do better" with the girl they like and want. Simple as that. And for 500 reals? You're not getting that! At least pre-pandemic times you're not. "Kayleigh McEnany" doesn't let you cornhole her tight branca anus for 500 reals at a 5 to 1 exchange rate LOL![/QUOTE]Calm down LOL. Just my taste and my view. I do post picture if you make a good search, but I don't do that anymore for the respect of the girls who already quit. And that is why I said I can't find anyone that good looking anymore to match my taste. She do look like a perfect 11/10 in her red dress, that's some good photoshop, and the others she looks more like 8, but the one with thick makeup? Is like a Barbie doll. Don't see any attraction to Barbie dolls, that's my opinion please don't get emotional, I'm not criticizing you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2512257]Talk lots of smack, but never, ever post any photos of their own! Anybody else notice that? Of course you have. And often when they do, I'm the one who finds myself not being so impressed. You can do better? Let's see then. I feel like anybody with the money required can "do better" with the girl they like and want. Simple as that. And for 500 reals? You're not getting that! At least pre-pandemic times you're not. "Kayleigh McEnany" doesn't let you cornhole her tight branca anus for 500 reals at a 5 to 1 exchange rate LOL![/QUOTE]I won't pay anything to Kayleigh Mcenany either, to me she is ugly. Not my type.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2512248] I don't care how anybody else rates any girl I fuck. I paid to fuck that tute! You didn't! Now, I wonder if Kayleigh McEnany does anal? Because I'm up for the job, and will pay her a high, high, high premium to account for her gorgeous, public figure status. LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I wonder why none of those photos show her ass, seeing as that was the main thing you paid for? Maybe her ass was a 6?

Naked pics or it never happened.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2512399]I wonder why none of those photos show her ass, seeing as that was the main thing you paid for? Maybe her ass was a 6? Naked pics or it never happened.[/QUOTE]I cannot believe that you just said that to me Polyamorist! I cannot believe that you just said that. As if The Cane needs to make stuff up. Well I'll tell you what. I just looked to see if I had a good picture of her big branca bunda, and I don't. I used to have a short video of her dancing and shaking that plump, round hinder, but I don't anymore. And I accept your challenge! I stay in touch with Julia through WhatsApp. The next time I'm in Sao Paulo, I'm going to get a picture of her naked big branca bunda. And then I'm going to post it right here just for you. Two final points. I don't pay just for the ass. I pay for a full package to my liking, which makes me want that ass. And number two, I'm going to hold you to the exact same standard then. If you can't post it up naked, then it didn't happen! Fair is fair. In the meantime, enjoy a photo of Charlotte's big round branca bunda! I have more too, but not in the mood to go looking. And man that gaucha girl cornhole was tight! Ha!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2512405]I cannot believe that you just said that to me Polyamorist! I cannot believe that you just said that. As if The Cane needs to make stuff up. Well I'll tell you what. I just looked to see if I had a good picture of her big branca bunda, and I don't. I used to have a short video of her dancing and shaking that plump, round hinder, but I don't anymore. And I accept your challenge! I stay in touch with Julia through WhatsApp. The next time I'm in Sao Paulo, I'm going to get a picture of her naked big branca bunda. And then I'm going to post it right here just for you. Two final points. I don't pay just for the ass. I pay for a full package to my liking, which makes me want that ass. And number two, I'm going to hold you to the exact same standard then. If you can't post it up naked, then it didn't happen! Fair is fair. In the meantime, enjoy a photo of Charlotte's big round branca bunda! I have more too, but not in the mood to go looking. And man that gaucha girl cornhole was tight! Ha![/QUOTE]Looks like its being pumped full of plastic surgery LOLOLOLOL. Okok I will stop messing with you now ahahahahaah.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2512174]Yes, Saturday is slower, and Sunday can be quite dead. Fridays is Japonese day, as many Japanese men go to scandallo.[/QUOTE]Scandallo and Connection are closed on Sunday. I don't know about other clubs. Therefore, on Sunday, I arrange for the girls to come to my place via Whatsapp. I have never been to any clinicas so I don't know whether they are open or closed on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2512173]That is nice to hear, you making me wish I was there in Scandallo now, enjoy that rate while you still can, because the next time you go to SP again and want to meet her, she probably will triple that price LOL. I do like tall girls too, and as long as she does not look like a Barbie plastic doll I will be interested. I like going to moteis with them, its funner. How is it so easy to get offers of BBFS? I never got offered it before, even though I'm always cleanly shaven and washed LOL, how did you get them to offer that? Hahaha.[/QUOTE]YMMV on this matter.

Some friends and me are planning a bachelors party in SP and while I've read the forum I haven't found any concrete information on how to source a large group of girls preemptively.

Can someone who is a local or familiar with the scene help me out?

I'm waiting to buy a premium subscription as there are some members I'd like to reach out to through pm.

Willing to treat someone people to a night on the town for helpful pointers on how to find some babes to party with.