Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2497230]Need some advice here please kind gents. Why would a PL girl have Skype only, but not WhatsApp or Viber? Is it a case that their phones can't support any more apps? Also, why would a girl have Viber, but not WhatsApp? Don't they both use the same fkn number like in RWML? Once again, is it a lack of phone storage?[/QUOTE]1/ her phone plan gives cheap or even free access to a particular app. Common with FB Messenger.

2/ she's more familiar with one app and can't be bothered to learn another. Maybe all her friends use that app too.

3/ she's new at the game, has only one number and keeps one app for dirty old men and another for her social circle. She knows whether to answer or not just by seeing what app is calling or messaging.

4/ more maliciously, skype is easier for 3rd party oversights, video and speaker to be different etc.

My experience is different to DG. I'd put WhatsApp as the most popular for the girls we are chasing. I don't even worry about trying to find girls on other apps. I never seem to be able to find the correct Mary in Cebu from 1000 choices on FB. Give me a unique identifier or don't bother.

Enjoy. G.

I forgot to mention that giving out a WhatsApp contact means giving an actual phone number. Once I have that in my contacts, my phone automatically searches for a live Viber account on the same number and may also recommend her as a FB Friend.

This may be more online status, profile pics, location and personal info than the girl wants to give out straight away.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2497351]The girl might not have a CP and uses Skype at the local internet shop.

Some have the old simple keypad CP which is 2 g and doesn't support any apps or data.

Viber is more common use in PH than WhatsApp.[/QUOTE]Thanks DG, Gofer and Pedro. Much appreciated. The use of Skype only for malicious purposes makes a lot of sense.

Here I am thinking that every hot LBFM on PL has the latest iPhone 12 Pro 512GB with three fkn cameras on the back, bought for her by Bob, her fat American admirer. I keep telling them to send their WhatsApp and Viber and they keep saying, "ED Sir, only have Skype". WTF?

I knew the ugly ones still use those old Nokia 2 G bricks.

After a long hiatus, I decided to go on PL to see what the situation is. I know it's totally pointless collecting contacts now with no possible opening date, but I bought the 1-month subscription for $32 south sea pesos and gave it a whirl. Here is my review.

I will preface this by saying that the main objective for mongers using dating sites is really just to get the girls' phone numbers. This is so that when you get to Flipsville, you can call them up, meet them at your hotel and then fuck them for 2,000 peso overnight. It should not be treated as anything more than that. Try and avoid incessant chatter which lasts more than a day or two and building up their expectations unnecessarily. It is cruel. They will very quickly profess their love for you and it will drain you emotionally. Most of the girls on PL will fuck you if you are respectful and treat them nicely. You don't need to ask. It's just understood that if she agrees to come to your hotel (most will) then sex is on the menu. She's certainly not going to your room to pray. I'm not sure how many lonely white men actually meet their future wives on PL, but it would be a miniscule percentage.

Now for the review.

1. Overall the app is less clunky than before. Maybe the Thai owners of the site decided to spend some money in development to make it easier to use. There's plenty of Indian IT boys wandering around BKK without much to do. Might as well put them to work. There is a quick yes / no button like Tinder now to rapidly screen through 500 LBFMs in 10 minutes.

2. Before, you needed to search by province in the pull-down menu. So if you didn't know that Angeles City was in Pampagna, or Subic was in Zambales, you were totally fucked. Now you need to type in the area you want to search. In any case, you need to have the atlas open in front of you. For the convenience of first time users, they automatically point you to Manila or Cebu where most of the action is. Fail proof.

3. Most of the girls, like 80%, are hideous looking creatures, just like before. Farrk, I've never seen a bunch of uglier looking people in one place in my life. I'm being generous if I say that most girls are in the 2 or 3 range. With beer goggles, they might be a 4. By anyone's standards, you would not want to be seen with them, let alone rip their panties off.

4. There are a lot fewer girls now on PL than 12 months ago – maybe 30-40% less. Many have hocked their phones to ward off starvation, can't afford the load without an income stream or there is no internet back at the banana plantation.

5. Some of the hotter girls were advertising "Pinoy Only". They are pragmatic that foreigners are not going to turn up anytime soon. Might as well target rich locals than waste effort with a fat white kuntt who is a time waster.

6. Hot looking girls, in the 7-9 range, were proactively approaching me. Never happened before. I used the same profile photo.

7. I never ask them for nude photos. I'm not really interested. They absolutely hate being asked for nudes, so if you want to get their numbers, resist the urge to ask for nekkid shots. I can download a million images of naked, hot LBFMs on the internet for free, so I don't really need a nude photo of an ugly chick to jerk off to.

8. In the text, I wrote that I was "God Fearing". Girls love that. I also added the words "Let's build our empire together", after noting that three separate girls I knew always talked about building an empire. I think they watch too much Korean TV. Hahaha. They love that sort of shit.

9. I looked around the Pampagna region and noticed that the same old, tired looking hookers were still there from last year. Most of the girls from AC who advertise on PL are hard core hookers. Best to avoid.

10. Cebu seemed to have the largest number of doable chicks. All seemed friendly and up for it.

Now what could possibly go wrong you ask? Well everything. Just grabbing 100 WhatsApp or Viber numbers off LBFMs before landing in Flipsville guarantees you jackshit. A million things go can wrong:

1. She's lost her phone, hocked her phone, has no load or has changed her number before you arrive. Goodbye.

2. She gets cold feet and doesn't want to meet (quite common in the provinces). Goodbye.

3. She wants to meet you in the company of a chaperone (usually her fat, ugly cousin). Goodbye.

4. She's on her period. Goodbye.

5. She arrives and looks nothing like her photos. Too bad, just take one for the team.

6. She arrives and is a nervous wreck. Just awestruck and is totally overwhelmed. Goodbye.

7. She agrees, but arrives 4 hours late. Goodbye.

I reckon you've got a 25% chance of converting after you actually get her number, hence the need for 100 prospects.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2497445]After a long hiatus, I decided to go on PL to see what the situation is.

2. Before, you needed to search by province in the pull-down menu.

3. Most of the girls, like 80%, are hideous looking creatures, just like before. Farrk, I've never seen a bunch of uglier looking people in one place in my life.

4. There are a lot fewer girls now on PL than 12 months ago maybe 30-40% less.

6. Hot looking girls, in the 7-9 range, were proactively approaching me. Never happened before. I used the same profile photo.

7. I never ask them for nude photos.

8. In the text, I wrote that I was "God Fearing".

10. Cebu seemed to have the largest number of doable chicks. All seemed friendly and up for it.

Now what could possibly go wrong you ask?

I reckon you've got a 25% chance of converting after you actually get her number, hence the need for 100 prospects.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I haven't been on PL for ages, using Cupid now. Did you try the app or the website? There are app, desktop web and mobile web versions. All have different screens and features.

PL's search facilities always sucked. You couldn't search for many cities eg Dumaguette and Cebu would bring up girls anywhere in the very large province.

Cupid has a Most Popular section. Most are hotties but get '000's of messages per day, may or may not see your message and often are straight up scammers.

Cupid must have robbed market share. They are seeing easily an extra 20% online.

I'd agree that hotties are now dropping their standards enough to even make contact with me too. Must be desperate times. 😁.

No need to ask for nudes. Those that don't will be turned off and those that do will quickly offer. Often sending unsolicited samples.

I've never been a fan of lying to get results. I don't see it being necessary nor delivering results. Having said that playing the game can pay dividends: of course I'm the only foreigner she is talking to.

Cebu always has been the online mongering capital of the Philippines. If you can't score there, join a monastery.

Waaaay less than 25%. Last trip I did pre work, arriving with 100 numbers across various cities. How many of them paid results? None. All my scores were with 2 to 36 hours notice once I was in country.

Of course that doesn't stop me wasting countless hours now that I'm in a covid inspired separation. Its titillating for now and maybe, just maybe, I'll get a hookup out of it when ever the flights do actually open up.

Cheers G.

I rate slimness above beauty, so when a slim girl with a pretty face popped up in the Leyte search, I was immediately on the case. Below is the transcript. Gents, do you think she would have dropped her Victoria's Secret thong panties on the first date? Hahaha. The first date would have been at some evangelical church payer meeting. Serves me right for using "God Fearing" as my vision statement on my profile. Hahahaha. Anyhow, that girl would have been wearing impenetrable, high waisted, grandma knickers. Yikes. No real loss.

I do have about 40 new contacts and it's just Day 2, but I won't be renewing my PL subscription after the first month. Tinder and WeChat are heaps better when on the ground and there is no tedious preparation required. Newbies should save their money.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2497704]Serves me right for using "God Fearing" as my vision statement on my profile. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]"I only want to meet a God Fearing Woman". I have sent a few of them to heaven (briefly).

Dating site conquest. Well, not really a conquest. After some chat in the dating site a week before Manila arrival, she was just another phone number. Upon arrival and phone txt contact we set a date to meet one evening and ended up at a resto / bar for live band in Malate. Nice gal. You never know how these meetings will go or end up. Will she look like the photos? Did she cam? Will she bring an unannounced chaperone? Will she go home alone or with you? Will she want money or not? And so on. Opinion: Don't schedule these first dates when horny. Schedule them for a time when you are not. Best to meet the girl and feel her out first. Be willing to walk away and not be unhappy if she's not into you, you can always get a bar girl if this one does not pan out.

The live band was light that night, a guy playing a guitar and a girl singing love songs. After foods and some grog, my date leaned into me ever so slightly, her left arm nudged against my right arm for a while, while she sang the songs also. An hour in, I paid the tab and offered to giver her fare home. "No. I'm with you tonight. I'm not go home". Oh, I see. I'm done for the evening sweetie, you want to head back to the condo with me? "Yes up to you". And with that we were off. I explained at the condo that I wasn't horny and asked if she was ok to that. "Yes its ok to me". Great. We had some nice pillow talk and drifted off to sleep. In the morning we burned the sheets having adult fun. She stepped out of the shower about 8 am and said she needed to get home. I dropped some spending money in her purse while she used the hair dryer and off she went.

She became a 3 year regular. She'd come on a Monday evening, Wednesday afternoon, and maybe Saturday night; a day or so between visits, 2 or 3 times a week. Her occasional orgasm was earth-shattering, drenched bedsheets. Never mentioned money, we had no Internet contact when I was out of country, and she rarely mentioned family (odd for pinay). She became more adventurous over time, and she never asked if I had other girls.

And then it happened. I landed in Manila and contacted her. "Sorry Westie I not see you anymore. My partner find out of you". Wait. Wait. You have partner? "Yes I have now". But not before? "No I have before. My partner for long time". Ahem, we met on a dating site. "Yes I'm angry him that time. We together now". I see. Were you angry with him for 3 years? "Westy!" Haha ok, ok. Wishing you well then.

BTW, her dating site profile said: "I want to meet at God feering man". Spelled just like that. Can't tell you how many of our religious moments contained the words "Oh my God"! And "Gawwwd"! Looks like she found just the guy.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2498002]"No. I'm with you tonight. I'm not go home". "Yes up to you". "Yes its ok to me".
[/QUOTE]No one can quite do Filipino English like you Westie. Entertaining report!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2497704]I rate slimness above beauty, so when a slim girl with a pretty face popped up in the Leyte search, I was immediately on the case. Below is the transcript. Gents, do you think she would have dropped her Victoria's Secret thong panties on the first date? Hahaha. The first date would have been at some evangelical church payer meeting. Serves me right for using "God Fearing" as my vision statement on my profile. Hahahaha. Anyhow, that girl would have been wearing impenetrable, high waisted, grandma knickers. Yikes. No real loss.

I do have about 40 new contacts and it's just Day 2, but I won't be renewing my PL subscription after the first month. Tinder and WeChat are heaps better when on the ground and there is no tedious preparation required. Newbies should save their money.[/QUOTE]I would go for it anyway. My first trip to Phil, I had one play the religion card. I let her stay the first night because it was late. I thought it was going to be a waste of the night. She woke me up in the middle of the night blowing me, then it was off to the races for a couple more days.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2498232]No one can quite do Filipino English like you Westie. Entertaining report![/QUOTE]Its not: Only four inches. Its: "Four inches only". Well, that's what my girl said to me this morning.

If she says: "I will bok to dare", she means she will go back there.

The building you are looking for is not: Next to the Jolliebee. It is "Near in a Jollie".

You don't: Need some money, or need money. You: "Need a money".

You are not: Eating shrimp. You are: "Having a shrimps". You are not: Buying some food. You are: "Buying a foods".

The typhoon is not bad because of heavy wind speeds you saw on the news. It is bad because: "Mama say bad dare dit TY-poon". We are not experiencing a heavy storm or typhoon. We are: "Having a TY-poon".

You are not waiting inanely and indefinitely. You are waiting "For a while, sir". If you hear these words, stop, walk away from that place, and go back to some other aspect of your life. You can thank me later.

You are not asking for two cans of Coke or Pepsi. You say: "I want a two Coke".

You don't have twenty-five pesos. You have: "Vain-chinco" or "Bayntee singko" (from the Spanish veinticinco, I think).

You don't need to: Fix your problem. You need to: "Pix dis problem mine".

Your phone is not vibrating. "My phone its bi-vrate".

My problem is that sometimes I slip and say something like that around a Brit or Canadian here. Sorry gents: "Sometimes I'm talking a pee-noy. Problema ikaw, wala ako".

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2494902]Concur. While foreigner ladies who move to the US retain much of their culture (food, language preferences, etc), they quickly Westernize. Usually big age difference is a no-no, and quick sex also..... [/QUOTE]I don't know about USA, but here in Canada is abit different. I do agree that if you are looking for a filipina younger than you by 25 or 30+ years is very hard to find that, but if you are looking for a filipina 10 to 15 years younger than you is very doable, last year I had a couple of filipinas 10+ years younger than me (10 yrs and 12 yrs) I lost one of them when I came back from my 8 months trip, she has a BF now. But is fine, is not hard to find filipinas here.

I think even finding a filipina 20 yrs younger might be possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, because one: she might leave you later on for a younger guy (if she is only with you because of your money or security), and two: you got to be looking for a serious relationship, most of those girls who would accept a 20 years gap will be desparate looking to have a family. Like the girl I lost, she has a Canadian boyfriend now who is 47 yrs old and she is 29 (18 yrs difference, but the guy looks young). I kind of let her go because she was looking to start a family and I wasn't, so on February when I was in Philippines I let her go and I told her that she should start looking for someone who can give her a family, we had a 1 year open relationship BTW, so she found a Canadian guy who was also looking to start a family, she told me they are trying to have a baby now, anyways I told the same to my other girl (12 yrs younger and 2+ yrs open relationship) she dated a couple of guys but nothing serious happened, most young guys here just want to have fun and nothing serious, so at least I have one young filipina to cuddle with here during winter / covid, I might have to contact my old contacts, and see who is single and available to have more options, specially now during covid where is harder to meet filipinas without going to a filipino bar, two of my favourite filipino bars completely close down!

I would say if you are 50+ years old you can find filipinas here 35 years old or older. But you should forget finding filipinas in her 20's!

The biggest age gap I found here in Canada is 13 years (she was 22 back then and I was 35), but we just had a sex relationship (for 5 months), mostly public sex after the club when she was drunk, we used to do it in public parks, or in the back of her building, one time we even did it in the laundry room hiding from the cameras. She will do it only when she was drunk. I feel like I spoiled her, because back then she was inexperience and dress abit conservative, now she dress sexy, has alot of tattoos and she is dating black guys.

Anyways, quick sex with filipinas is very doable here in Canada, just make sure she is tipsy to make your move, if she is not drunk you can still have quick sex at your place, but for public sex you got to make sure she is tipsy.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2497704]I rate slimness above beauty, so when a slim girl with a pretty face popped up in the Leyte search, I was immediately on the case. Below is the transcript. Gents, do you think she would have dropped her Victoria's Secret thong panties on the first date? Hahaha. The first date would have been at some evangelical church payer meeting. Serves me right for using "God Fearing" as my vision statement on my profile. Hahahaha. Anyhow, that girl would have been wearing impenetrable, high waisted, grandma knickers. Yikes. No real loss.

I do have about 40 new contacts and it's just Day 2, but I won't be renewing my PL subscription after the first month. Tinder and WeChat are heaps better when on the ground and there is no tedious preparation required. Newbies should save their money.[/QUOTE]HaHa, that conversation is funny. This kind of thing inspires OS to read the bible. Just in case!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2498335]".[/QUOTE]Too funny, Westie. Thanks for the chuckle. I go church now diba.

There are 1,000's of Pinays desperately looking for money on the dating apps. Mongers have woken up and instead of blindly sending money for no reason, they are demanding a cam show in exchange. Little do the mongers realize that the Nigerian handlers are recording all such transactions to upload on the dark web or to use as potential black mail material when a particularly large whale is caught. There is also the prospect of bank account phishing, and details being swiped every time GCash is used. Hahahaha. Don't even get me started on the lack of verification of the girls' age. And it's all on video. Explain that to LE. For the meager sum of 1,000 peso (the going rate for a cam show), a monger can buy a one way ticket to Leavenworth or Long Bay. There is no end to monger stupidity.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2498604]Explain that to LE. For the meager sum of 1,000 peso (the going rate for a cam show), a monger can buy a one way ticket to Leavenworth or Long Bay. There is no end to monger stupidity.[/QUOTE]You would be aware of several banks that have received multi million dollar fines for facilitating money laundering and multiple low value transactions to PI, LOS etc. Not hard to think what those payments were for.

It would not be a pleasant experience to have one's home LE and banking regulator auditing mystery overseas payments to destitute single moms or their daughters.

Please Explain!

Take care. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2498903]You would be aware of several banks that have received multi million dollar fines for facilitating money laundering and multiple low value transactions to PI, LOS etc. Not hard to think what those payments were for.

It would not be a pleasant experience to have one's home LE and banking regulator auditing mystery overseas payments to destitute single moms or their daughters.

Please Explain!

Take care. G.[/QUOTE]The second largest bank in my country was recently fined $1. 3 billion by the regulator for breaching Anti-Money Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing Act 2006 (AML / CTF Act). According to the regulator, the bank should have reported the thousands of over-the-counter cash deposits of under $10 k going to the middle east for various nefarious purposes. Furthermore, the bank was supposed to track and report the thousands of small payments going to the Philippines, being sent by mongers. As Gofer has mentioned, you can guess what all these $20 and $30 transactions were for. They were not to help with the new roof for the local Catholic church.

If you are a monger from Australia, your bank and the AFP are closely watching all small transactions made to the Philippines. Your internet provider would also have all of your details. It would not surprise me if there were deliberate traps set up. You would be completely stupid to engage in any cam show action with LBFMs in the Philippines.

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My problem is that sometimes I slip and say something like that around a Brit or Canadian here. Sorry gents: "Sometimes I'm talking a pee-noy. Problema ikaw, wala ako".[/QUOTE]I don't find posts like this very amusing but instead I find them rather insulting.

My guess is that ANY ONE of WC's bedmates speak much better English than he speaks Tagalog or Filipino or any other dialect.

Filipinos amaze me with their language -speaking ability. My wife speaks Tagalog, Ilokano, Bisayan and English very fluently, and switches seamlessly between the dialects as required.

Collecting trivial examples like this of how Pinays might get some statements wrong is demeaning and insulting.

If compiling lists like this represents the only intellectual challenge for guys living here and taking advantage of Pinay favors, then maybe it's time they went home.

It's also probably time I took an extended holiday from reading this board

RK, I agree. People find paymates at their own level.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]I don't find posts like this very amusing but instead I find them rather insulting.

My guess is that ANY ONE of WC's bedmates speak much better English than he speaks Tagalog or Filipino or any other dialect.

Filipinos amaze me with their language -speaking ability. My wife speaks Tagalog, Ilokano, Bisayan and English very fluently, and switches seamlessly between the dialects as required.

Collecting trivial examples like this of how Pinays might get some statements wrong is demeaning and insulting.

If compiling lists like this represents the only intellectual challenge for guys living here and taking advantage of Pinay favors, then maybe it's time they went home.

It's also probably time I took an extended holiday from reading this board[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]I don't find posts like this very amusing but instead I find them rather insulting.[/QUOTE]Are you the self appointed moral and ethical custodian on this board? This is a site for tales of prostitution where old men get together and have a laugh. Most of us don't care what you find insulting or not insulting.

What most people find insulting is NGOs fucking the very girls they've been sent to save. Imagine what the private donors and governments would think?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]Filipinos amaze me with their language -speaking ability. My wife speaks Tagalog, Ilokano, Bisayan and English very fluently, and switches seamlessly between the dialects as required.[/QUOTE]There's a fine line between laughing at and laughing with. My squeeze lived her first 14 years in Southern Leyte, speaking Bisayan. Then she moved to Manila and has spoken primarily Tagalog since. She sometimes tries to school me--in English, of course--on differences in the two languages, but at my age my memory is like a sieve. Not much sticks.

A couple years ago we visited a couple I know in Digos, south of Davao. She was right at home again speaking Bisayan with them. They got to conversing for a bit and I could pick out a few English words intermingled with native language. At some point I sensed that some of the native words did not sound like Tagalog, so I asked whether they were speaking Tagalog or Bisayan mixed in with English. They stopped for a moment, and suddenly my friend laughed and said, "we're speaking all three. We don't even think about it, whatever word comes to mind when we want to communicate an idea, that's the language we use at that point. " We all laughed.

I suppose I could have been offended that they didn't speak English so that I could follow along, but I realize I'm in their country, not the other way around. I can think of few interactions in the states in which three Americans could suddenly start speaking German, French, or Spanish in order to accommodate a foreign visitor.

I don't make fun of my squeeze's occasional English stumbles, since I speak such limited Filipino, but occasionally some humorous English malapropisms flow from her mouth. When I point them out we usually both have a good laugh. But yeah, making fun of Filipinos' sometimes broken English is a little like allowing yourself to utter racial slurs when nobody of color is within earshot. Humor of this type in the forum is a little like being in an all-white group in which somebody thinks it's okay to start talking some racist shit.

Sometimes it's amazing to me that Filipinos hold things together at all, given that they were once a mass of 7,000 islands and people of diverse cultures who spoke various different languages--until the Spanish colonized them, declared them to be a unified country, named the islands after the Spanish king, and imposed Catholicism on them.
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2499100]Are you the self appointed moral and ethical custodian on this board? [/QUOTE]Nope. Just a board member with an opinion that I am free to express (same as you).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2499100]
What most people find insulting is NGOs fucking the very girls they've been sent to save. Imagine what the private donors and governments would think?[/QUOTE]Totally irrelevant. I agree with you but it's got nothing to do with pinays' use of English.

So my field experiment in social sciences continues. The level of desperation amongst LBFMs on dating sites is unbelievable. The situation it seems is quite diabolical actually. About 25% of the girls on PL straight out beg for money after the cursory "Hi Mr ED.

You are very handsome. " If they can't get free money, they then offer me a cam show. Even educated, respectable woman who previously had good employment have been reduced to camming. A further 25% of them on PL are hard core hookers looking to bang a marooned foreigner for 1,000 peso or local Pinoy for 200 peso. The remaining 50% are looking for some relationship with a white or black dick so that he can take them out of their shit hole next year. Some will also sell their pussy if anyone is around their town. All will kindly accept donations. 95% of the lustful Johns cruising the dating sites are already married to nasty, fat white bitches in RWML. They only want to collect free nude photos of LBFMs to prove their virility and self-worth. They need confirmation of their masculinity and attractiveness. Some will get ensnared in the cam show deal. About 5% of the Johns will actually get to the Philippines when the WuFlu finishes to bang 20 chicks in 10 days. How many will actually marry a 30-year old Pinay with two children from two different fathers? There is no happiness to be found on dating sites. There is nothing but total misery there.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2499600]The level of desperation amongst LBFMs on dating sites is unbelievable. There is nothing but total misery there.[/QUOTE]I've given up on Filipinas at the moment. For me they have no interest if I cannot get into the country. I know it will be a pussy paradise when we can return.

If my various ex contacts that message me are only being polite to get money.

My current efforts are on local (home town) opportunity.

Briz.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2499600] 95% of the lustful Johns cruising the dating sites are already married to nasty, fat white bitches in RWML. They only want to collect free nude photos of LBFMs to prove their virility and self-worth. They need confirmation of their masculinity and attractiveness. [/QUOTE]I never understood collecting (or posting) nude pics. Seems perverted to me. Also, why do a lot of women on dating sites have to ask guys not to send dick pics? How can so many guys be so stupid and ignorant? Is it a class issue or what?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2499781]I never understood collecting (or posting) nude pics. Seems perverted to me. Also, why do a lot of women on dating sites have to ask guys not to send dick pics? How can so many guys be so stupid and ignorant? Is it a class issue or what?[/QUOTE]It's a power thing. They would dare not ask for nude pics or send dick pics to women in the west. But with Filipinas, they think it's okay to humiliate them. The excitement for them seems to be in shocking their victims with their marshmallows. As for obtaining nudes, it's to prove their ability to conquer. None of these time wasters will ever make it to the Philippines.

If you are polite and courteous, you can easily collect a 100 phone numbers of rootable women each week. As has been mentioned before, there will still be a low probability of root conversion though.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2499781]I never understood collecting (or posting) nude pics. Seems perverted to me. Also, why do a lot of women on dating sites have to ask guys not to send dick pics? How can so many guys be so stupid and ignorant? Is it a class issue or what?[/QUOTE]I think your questions will be answered if you just turn on the news or go to Facebook and see how most people can't even spell their own name. Intelligent thinking is a thing of the past and like most history it will probably be erased too.

[QUOTE=Cbea20;2499097]RK, I agree. People find paymates at their own level.[/QUOTE]Concur. Almost all of my playmates here live in homes that have only dirt for a floor (currently, one does not). For years I have integrated with their families, boodled with them, drank with them, played basketball with them, traveled further into the twigs to visit more family with them. Few of them have finished high school. There are entire groups of people out there whom I don't feel a need to integrate with or study.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]I don't find posts like this very amusing but instead I find them rather insulting.[/QUOTE]Sorry you saw it that way. It was meant as amusing, and others saw it that way.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]My guess is that ANY ONE of WC's bedmates speak much better English than he speaks Tagalog or Filipino or any other dialect.[/QUOTE]I think you already know better than that.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]wife speaks Tagalog, Ilokano, Bisayan and English very fluently, and switches seamlessly between the dialects as required.[/QUOTE]She's great for it, as are many others who speak multiple dialects or languages.

Interesting side note regarding such. A few months ago walking down a busy street with my girl and her sister, there were some people in the street near a traffic light where traffic was stopped. They were begging money from the motorists. My girl and her sister expressed disgust, saying that they dislike the begging, they didn't understand what beggars said, and its impossible for the drivers and pedestrians to get away from them. The girls called them Bajiao. A few days later I passed the same area again and the family that was previously begging coins from motorists was resting under a shady tree, a mom / dad and two kids. They were chattering away -- almost completely in Spanish. Surprising. I inquired as to the Spanish (not the local tongue). They said they are from Zamboanga and Spanish is widely spoken among them, and they called themselves Badiao (bah-dee-yow. As in Yao Ming). They were there a few weeks and then gone.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]Collecting trivial examples like this of how Pinays might get some statements wrong is demeaning and insulting.[/QUOTE]Public apology.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]If compiling lists like this represents the only intellectual challenge for guys living here and taking advantage of Pinay favors, then maybe it's time they went home.[/QUOTE]Disagree. Poking fun of the culture on occasion is bound to happen from foreigners. Lord knows how foreigners must view my own culture (like our election system; likewise, Lord knows how the Brits must view my English). Living here is not a 'love it or leave it' situation.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2499045]It's also probably time I took an extended holiday from reading this board[/QUOTE]Don't do that. You are a voice of reason here. Sorry if I pissed you off.

Why is it not OK for me to poke fun at the language here? Jeff Foxworthy does it regarding rednecks: "Mayonnaise a lot of people here tonight". Mikey Bustos does it regarding pinoy: "My phone its bivrate". Of course I have conversations with other pinoy here on a higher English level.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2499756]I've given up on Filipinas at the moment. <snip>

My current efforts are on local (home town) opportunity.

Briz.[/QUOTE]There is no shortage of Korean, Chinese or Thai pussy in your country. Guaranteed, drama free conversion as long as you pays your money. Hahaha. Keep us informed of your J girl adventures.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2499984]
Disagree. Poking fun of the culture on occasion is bound to happen from foreigners. [/QUOTE]"From" foreigners? What about towards foreigners? You don't think grown men that spend serious cash to fly around the world to fuck cast offs that locals wouldn't touch with a barge pole isn't the subject of ridicule in Manila, Bangkok or Jakarta? 😁.

Enjoy. G.

ED,

I found one of your psycho good girls:

Alternates telling me she will be showing me a great time when I arrive with she is devastated that John from Nebraska is sheading deadweight and no longer interested. He's never been to the PI but she will wait, cross legged, until he arrives / continues sending support. She really does love him.

5 minutes later, photos of a monster meal at the local K-resto with her Chinese "friend" to say goodbye before he goes back to HK. I don't kow if he knows he's in shots being sent to other mongers. Happy snaps continue up until back in his condo where they are "relaxing". I seriously thought I was going to get photos of the 3:3:3 as well. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2500155]"From" foreigners? What about towards foreigners? You don't think grown men that spend serious cash to fly around the world to fuck cast offs that locals wouldn't touch with a barge pole isn't the subject of ridicule in Manila, Bangkok or Jakarta? 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I have been the subject of ridicule in Manila, Bangkok, KL and elsewhere because I was bonking local cast offs. If I had my time again, I'd do it all again, Fernando.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2500250]ED,

I found one of your psycho good girls:

Alternates telling me she will be showing me a great time when I arrive with she is devastated that John from Nebraska is sheading deadweight and no longer interested. He's never been to the PI but she will wait, cross legged, until he arrives / continues sending support. She really does love him.

5 minutes later, photos of a monster meal at the local K-resto with her Chinese "friend" to say goodbye before he goes back to HK. I don't kow if he knows he's in shots being sent to other mongers. Happy snaps continue up until back in his condo where they are "relaxing". I seriously thought I was going to get photos of the 3:3:3 as well. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks G,

Yes I know that psycho good girl very well. I am totally stupid. Hahahaha. Had I known that Kenny Chong from Hong Kong was going to feed her a monster meal at the local K-resto, I would not have sent her a bunch of money to feed her and her family before hand. Hahaha. She complained that she was "so worried to her foods" because of the typhoon. What was a man to do? Let the barangay starve? Now I'm waiting for the dreaded anti-money laundering squad to bust my door down.

Do you think Kenny Chong or John from Nebraska were listening in while she did a cam show with me? Hahahaha. Those girls are so sneaky. We must ask her for those photos of her "relaxing" hahahaha.

G,

We are both undertaking this rather futile exercise of collecting hundreds of names and numbers of doable LBFMs around the Philippines, by driving the dating apps hard. I have been ruthless in setting my selection criteria. 18- 26 yo, and no heavier than 52 kg. (yes, I know that everyone lies about their age and weight). Like you, I have enough contacts for years to come. We could easily go Manila. Clark - Cebu. Davao - Manila and fuck 30 or 40 chicks in 2-3 weeks. This would be from a mixture of hard core hookers, sweet college girls needing help with fees, single moms looking to be rescued, innocent 18-year old country bumpkins and ordinary women seeking a little extra cash. Very easy to do, but what would be the point? The momentary pleasure obtained from unloading BB into a sweet LBFM's warm pussy is fleeting. It is a totally unfulfilling, and ultimately unsatisfying exercise. There is no 'happiness' to be pursued here. It would also not be drama free. The opportunity cost of spending weeks in the Philippines is also enormous (as opposed to engaging in commerce in RWML).

I think Monkey Paw or FL Hawk on the other board wrote about depression setting in after a banging marathon with Thai LBFMs. But he was quickly shot down by mongers who knew better. Hahaha. Being addicted to brown pussy is no different to any other addiction and the depression and illness from withdrawal is real.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/addiction/sex[/URL]

I have a real photo of me up on one of the dating sites. It is not flattering and should really turn any self-respecting hot chick off. But guess what? A Pinay, young enough to be my grand daughter, who is all rack has just PMed me to chat on wattsapp. Whatever could she want? It is certainly not my body or my pathetic marshmallow.

Still, she is very considerate, which is why I lve her and want to send money to her without knowing her name or anything about her, except she has a great rack. She told me to note her wattsapp number is Malaysia and not to put 63 in front of it. How could you marshmallows not just swoon over an angel like that?.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2500446]We could easily go Manila. Clark - Cebu. Davao - Manila and fuck 30 or 40 chicks in 2-3 weeks. This would be from a mixture of hard core hookers, sweet college girls needing help with fees, single moms looking to be rescued, innocent 18-year old country bumpkins and ordinary women seeking a little extra cash. Very easy to do, but what would be the point? The momentary pleasure obtained from unloading BB into a sweet LBFM's warm pussy is fleeting. It is a totally unfulfilling, and ultimately unsatisfying exercise. There is no 'happiness' to be pursued here....[/QUOTE]We all have our pain thresholds. Personally, 3 days in AC and my head is ready to explode and it's all I can take. Most of my multi week trip reports include a few down days where no notches are added to the bedpost. I've even written (much to many people's amazement) about seeking out platonic dinners with girls who have passable conversation skills and IQs.

I enjoy the fun to be had incountry but as you noted if it is available day after day week after week it does become a bit much and a break or change is needed. It's a little like AFC on a European vacation: not Another Fucking Cathedral. 😁.

Of course, we both realise that if we get to actually bed 1% of the pandemic induced contacts we will be exceedingly lucky. I have had trips where I was 0 for 100. Perhaps I should follow my own advice and only contact when I'm sitting in Ayala, Greenbelt etc. 😊.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2500598]I have a real photo of me up on one of the dating sites. It is not flattering and should really turn any self-respecting hot chick off. But guess what? A Pinay, young enough to be my grand daughter, who is all rack has just PMed me to chat on wattsapp. Whatever could she want? It is certainly not my body or my pathetic marshmallow.

Still, she is very considerate, which is why I lve her and want to send money to her without knowing her name or anything about her, except she has a great rack. She told me to note her wattsapp number is Malaysia and not to put 63 in front of it. How could you marshmallows not just swoon over an angel like that?.[/QUOTE]If I had sent money to every good looking girl I chatted with I would be in poorhouse now.

The scamming attempts which go on at PL, FC and DIA are just hilarious. Those bird brained nincompoops and their African handlers were at the end of the queue when God was handing out brains. But it only takes one dickhead monger a day to prove their enterprise has not been a waste of time. Hahahaha.

Over the past couple of weeks, I've come across every type of scam imaginable on PL. Everything from "I'm scared to my foods because of the typhoon", "I've got to quit college now if you don't help" through to "I'll be sleeping on the streets tonight". A girl even asked me for 30k peso to fix her roof which was apparently blown away by the typhoon. Then Grandpa Joe makes a guest appearance! Hahahahahaha. I wonder for how many years Grandpa Joe has been cruising the dating sites? Hahahahahaha. Gofer, you've probably seen him on FC. I tried to read the label on the IV fluids bag, but the picture is too blurry.

Mongers should note that the girl of their dreams (their one and only) they are chatting to on PL, FC or DIA might not even be a girl at all. It might be a big, burly Nigerian man operating out of a house in Manila or Abuja, having done a diploma in Pinay text language. Hahahahaha.

My only advice to mongers is to grab the chicks' WhatsApp numbers now and go and fuck them in Manila, Cebu or Davao when the Wuhan Reaper has left the scene. You will be hit with an avalanche of pussy the minute you arrive at NAIA. Just resist the urge to send any money now to anyone.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2502231]
Over the past couple of weeks, I've come across every type of scam imaginable on PL. Everything from "I'm scared to my foods because of the typhoon", "I've got to quit college now if you don't help" through to "I'll be sleeping on the streets tonight". A girl even asked me for 30k peso to fix her roof which was apparently blown away by the typhoon. Then Grandpa Joe makes a guest appearance! Hahahahahaha. I wonder for how many years Grandpa Joe has been cruising the dating sites? Hahahahahaha. Gofer, you've probably seen him on FC. I tried to read the label on the IV fluids bag, but the picture is too blurry.

Mongers should note that the girl of their dreams (their one and only) they are chatting to on PL, FC or DIA might not even be a girl at all. It might be a big, burly Nigerian man operating out of a house in Manila or Abuja, having done a diploma in Pinay text language. Hahahahaha.

My only advice to mongers is to grab the chicks' WhatsApp numbers now and go and fuck them in Manila, Cebu or Davao when the Wuhan Reaper has left the scene. You will be hit with an avalanche of pussy the minute you arrive at NAIA. Just resist the urge to send any money now to anyone.[/QUOTE]ED,

I quite enjoy the ones that get confused and run when their scam unravels. Several have blocked me when I say I can meet them inperson to give my donation and I name their closest 7/11. Or the combined maladies. A recent cutie contracted cancer, liver disease and dengue all in the same week, poor thing. Luckily she only needed 500 p for medicines and then she would be released from hospital and would be able to video chat me that night with her lesbian lover.

I haven't seen Grandpa Joe. His granddaughters must only be on PL. FC seems to be the catchment area for sick sons with respirator masks. Even for the girls that told me they have daughters.

Recently I've only had a passing look at PL. After you said it was full of burnt out, skanky hoes, that seemed right up my alley so I did do a quick sweep. Lots of girls still there from my previous visits but my subscription has expired so I don't see any reason to renew yet. Maybe when I've actually arrived and find that none of several hundred Cupid numbers actually pan out I'll have some PL mutton turn up with 3 minutes notice.

I'm yet to meet any big fat Nigerian guys. I have chatted a few 5'8" girls with big hands and broken cellphone mics. All seem very keen to meet and have promised a great BJ. Sounds tempting. Many seem to live in Zamboanga City or Pagadian and only need an airfare to be sent before flying over to foreigner friendly Cebu for some fun.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. Why is it that so many girls see requesting cash as "bad" but requesting load top up as "good"?

I assume excess load can be cashed out. 🤔.

Nice to hear of people keeping in contact with the girls, even just for entertainment. There are genuine girls in amongst the scammers. There are those that really do need and deserve some help. Unfortunately they are mixing in the wrong company via the dating sites.

I sent another P5 k to an ex-flame last week. I'm thinking of it as direct typhoon aid. Over the past 10 years when I've delivered my aid in person I've been able to enjoy the benefits that come. For now, it seems it's going to be a one way street. Rehashed naked pics of her boobs that I cannot have in my face aren't doing it for me.

In another new angle I am having a baby named after me. That's really quite unique and a part of my long term branding strategy in Ph. Yes will cost me a little in annual birthday gifts but it does give me an option for a yummy mummy who wants to go on a holiday every year. I have known the mum for a few years but the baby is not mine, but apparently everyone is OK with the name. I'm not so sure hubby sees me getting the benefits unless I'm contributing to household income.


Brizlad.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2502351]ED,

I quite enjoy the ones that get confused and run when their scam unravels. Several have blocked me when I say I can meet them inperson to give my donation and I name their closest 7/11. Or the combined maladies. A recent cutie contracted cancer, liver disease and dengue all in the same week, poor thing. Luckily she only needed 500 p for medicines and then she would be released from hospital and would be able to video chat me that night with her lesbian lover.
[/QUOTE]Once a girl sent me a picture of her bloody pussy and a trash can full of used tampons and rags. This was to make her case that she needed 500 USD for medicine.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2502231]....
Over the past couple of weeks, I've come across every type of scam imaginable on PL. ......[/QUOTE]A couple of weeks is not enough time to sample every imaginable scam here. While they continue to roll out the old favourites, the more progressive scammers can be very creative in coming up with new ones.

There are so many girls on line, especially for someone who is currently in country, that I have absolutely zero tolerance for anything that smells of a scam or request for money.

Out of 100 contacts initiated by the girls, I will ignore 90 because of to old, fat ugly etc. Of the 10 I respond to about half will be rejected quickly because of scams or money requests too soon. Of the other 5 some will fall by the wayside because of being too stupid to carry on a conservation or other reason so I will up with one or two chat mates with perhaps one becoming a definite possibility.

But the 100 contacts is only a couple days worth on PL, Tinder and FC.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2502810]
There are so many girls on line, especially for someone who is currently in country, that I have absolutely zero tolerance for anything that smells of a scam or request for money.

[/QUOTE]The scammers I understand and agree with but why the girls indicating that they may need some help? Assuming we are looking for a commercial arrangement vs an unpaid girl friend, what's wrong with everyone knowing where they stand from day one?

Again I'm talking about girls that are upfront but basically honest. I'm not talking about those requesting money for nonexistent airfares, family needs etc nor those who will not be giving a quid pro quo.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2502841]...

Again I'm talking about girls that are upfront but basically honest. I'm not talking about those requesting money for nonexistent airfares, family needs etc nor those who will not be giving a quid pro quo.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]No problem with them asking how much you "help" me if I come overnight.

Problem when they ask for money ahead of time, a few thousand peso for. <reasons .

We are on the same page, I just was not clear initially.

I know that most of you don't need this, but here is a public service announcement that both sides are playing this game: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJxDYGY7/[/URL].

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2502810]A couple of weeks is not enough time to sample every imaginable scam here. While they continue to roll out the old favourites, the more progressive scammers can be very creative in coming up with new ones.

There are so many girls on line, especially for someone who is currently in country, that I have absolutely zero tolerance for anything that smells of a scam or request for money.

Out of 100 contacts initiated by the girls, I will ignore 90 because of to old, fat ugly etc. Of the 10 I respond to about half will be rejected quickly because of scams or money requests too soon. Of the other 5 some will fall by the wayside because of being too stupid to carry on a conservation or other reason so I will up with one or two chat mates with perhaps one becoming a definite possibility.

But the 100 contacts is only a couple days worth on PL, Tinder and FC.[/QUOTE]They are variations of common themes. You can break it short cons and long cons. Short cons are are instant cash:

1. Mom / pop / granny in hospital. Please help pay the bill and buy medicines.

2. No work due to Covid, so am starving now.

3. Typhoon / earthquake / volcano / flood has destroyed my house. Starving now, homeless.

4. Stranded in Manila, need to get back to the province. Please send fare.

5. No load for phone. Please help so we can keep chatting.

6. College fees due today, please help.

7. want to cam show or buy my videos?

The long con can be played out over many years. Once a gullible mark has been found, he will be milked for all he is worth. It might monthly remittances and the illusion of a GF / BF relationship will be created. The ultimate objective is to proceed to Rich White Man Land and obtain residency. Then plot to take the victim's house, car and wealth and bring her entire tribe over to enjoy the fruits of her labor in RWML.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2502841]Again I'm talking about girls that are upfront but basically honest. I'm not talking about those requesting money for nonexistent airfares, family needs etc nor those who will not be giving a quid pro quo.[/QUOTE]One girl I have known for 8 years years has been in contact with me, she's now living on the family farm back from her single life as a OFW in Dubai. She has asked for 'help' which I declined as I said I had helped her so much in the past. She was quick to explain that previously that was "just business" arrangement as I was getting something in return when she was staying with me in Manila. No she needs 'help' which also implies she won't be returning anything. Bit of a home goal on her part.

[QUOTE=Commonglass;2503033]I know that most of you don't need this, but here is a public service announcement that both sides are playing this game: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJxDYGY7/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Oh that's classic. Reminds me of having to drive my then GF to Western Union so she could get her Korean bfs remittance. It's a twisted world in Ph.

I disconnected with a super cute 18-year old spinner from Samar after she sent me her college tuition bill to pay. Hahaha. Delete and then block. Hahaha. I was beginning to wonder why this hottie would connect with me on her own initiative. I'm a 330-pound monster with a head like a smashed mud crab. My mobility scooter and oxygen tank are clearly visible in the profile photo, and yet they still come running!

What is it with Filipinos and birthdays? They are obsessed with them. Just about every LBFM from every slum wants me to pay for their kids' birthday party! And I've never even met the little fucking street urchins whose birthdays always arise 1-day after I chat up their moms. What's wrong with living within your means. Delete and then block. Hahaha.

Just some random thoughts of my experiences pre and post covid. I have been to phil 50 times since 2004 and usually 4 trips a year between 4 and 6 weeks each trip. If 6 weeks I get a 59 day visa from the Phil consulate before going. Last trip was late Dec to end of Jan 2020. Went to Cebu, Tacloban and Davao and met about 6 chatmates in total. As usual some disasters and some keepers. I always chat first before going, to lessen the chance of a time waster but sometimes hard to judge until boots on the ground and they are sitting there with you at Jolibee. I left Cebu end of January and already masks were unavailable at any pharmacy. I even tried again after the first flight in Seoul but still no masks available.

After I got back I decided to join F Cupid as a change from pina love that I had before. Can't say for me there is much difference in girls on either site. The one thing I have noticed since covid is more desperation and quicker requests for financial assistance. My response always is I don't send money to people until I meet them in person. Most are understanding. Another post covid thing I have noticed is even after developing some closeness with chats on Skype or whatsapp, after a few days or weeks you run out of topics and then the chats become fewer and less often until they stop entirely. If we could plan a physical meetup it would be different but nobody knows when the trips can start again. I guess what I have come to realize now is chatting now is just for entertainment value only. But I paid for a year so I am not stopping now. LOL. This covid better end soon. I am in my upper 70's and as choco monger would say "my marshmallow cock is getting softer ". Not that the girls care too much. My wallet is getting stiffer with no trips.

Anyone know what happened to " Good Enough" from Davao? I always enjoyed his posts, Very knowledgeable because he lived in Davao and was a wordsmith. I had to always keep the Webster dictionary close at hand when he posted. I actually met him about 12 years ago and we had a couple lunches and dinners together. A wine coinsure if there ever was one. To me it was either white or red.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2504989]Just some random thoughts of my experiences pre and post covid. I have been to phil 50 times since 2004 and usually 4 trips a year between 4 and 6 weeks each trip. If 6 weeks I get a 59 day visa from the Phil consulate before going. Last trip was late Dec to end of Jan 2020. Went to Cebu, Tacloban and Davao and met about 6 chatmates in total. As usual some disasters and some keepers. I always chat first before going, to lessen the chance of a time waster but sometimes hard to judge until boots on the ground and they are sitting there with you at Jolibee. I left Cebu end of January and already masks were unavailable at any pharmacy. I even tried again after the first flight in Seoul but still no masks available.

After I got back I decided to join F Cupid as a change from pina love that I had before. Can't say for me there is much difference in girls on either site. The one thing I have noticed since covid is more desperation and quicker requests for financial assistance. My response always is I don't send money to people until I meet them in person. Most are understanding. Another post covid thing I have noticed is even after developing some closeness with chats on Skype or whatsapp, after a few days or weeks you run out of topics and then the chats become fewer and less often until they stop entirely. If we could plan a physical meetup it would be different but nobody knows when the trips can start again. I guess what I have come to realize now is chatting now is just for entertainment value only. But I paid for a year so I am not stopping now. LOL. This covid better end soon. I am in my upper 70's and as choco monger would say "my marshmallow cock is getting softer ". Not that the girls care too much. My wallet is getting stiffer with no trips.[/QUOTE]Nice report Nightrider. Do the girls have an expectation that you're going to marry them and take them to Rich White Man Land or do the understand from the outset that you're only going to meet them for two paid roots and be gone?

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2504989]The one thing I have noticed since covid is more desperation and quicker requests for financial assistance. My response always is I don't send money to people until I meet them in person. Most are understanding. Another post covid thing I have noticed is even after developing some closeness with chats on Skype or whatsapp, after a few days or weeks you run out of topics and then the chats become fewer and less often until they stop entirely. If we could plan a physical meetup it would be different but nobody knows when the trips can start again.[/QUOTE]For some it may be desperation but for many (esp the hotties making contact with 70 yos) its word from friends that Johns are handing out cash for every sob story or tit shot she randomly downloads from the web.

I'm really struggling with maintaining conversations too. Very, very few don't end up with requests for school, medical or rent fees and as you say with no prospect of meeting for 12 months there is very little else to talk about. Doing laundry and cooking meals feature heavily. Even those that I think I have a rapport with with ask who I am when I message 2 days later and then the whole conversation has to be repeated. I have no idea how guys maintain messaging for months on end. "Meet in JBee?" was so much easier. 😊.

Still it's better than nothing and hopefully will provide some contact numbers for when I do actually arrive. Maybe.

Enjoy. G.

Interesting views in these previous posts as I have exactly the same happening now.

I can't maintain chats for long even with some regulars who I met several times. Except one maybe but since some weeks all chats have faded away and I am not in the mood to start new ones.

Hope all this will have an end soon.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2504989]After I got back I decided to join F Cupid as a change from pina love that I had before. Can't say for me there is much difference in girls on either site. The one thing I have noticed since covid is more desperation and quicker requests for financial assistance. My response always is I don't send money to people until I meet them in person. Most are understanding. Another post covid thing I have noticed is even after developing some closeness with chats on Skype or whatsapp, after a few days or weeks you run out of topics and then the chats become fewer and less often until they stop entirely. If we could plan a physical meetup it would be different but nobody knows when the trips can start again. I guess what I have come to realize now is chatting now is just for entertainment value only. But I paid for a year so I am not stopping now. LOL. This covid better end soon. I am in my upper 70's and as choco monger would say "my marshmallow cock is getting softer ". Not that the girls care too much. My wallet is getting stiffer with no trips.

Anyone know what happened to " Good Enough" from Davao? I always enjoyed his posts, Very knowledgeable because he lived in Davao and was a wordsmith. I had to always keep the Webster dictionary close at hand when he posted. I actually met him about 12 years ago and we had a couple lunches and dinners together. A wine coinsure if there ever was one. To me it was either white or red.[/QUOTE]Many septuagenarians have succumbed to the Wuhan flu, including some resident mongers. For those who survive in exile, dreaming of returning to LBFM Paradise, each passing day means a softer marshmallow and lower odds of ever making it back. Grandpa Caramello's greatest fear was dying at home before making back to Flipsville to have his marshmallow sucked one last time. Unfortunately, Caramello was unable to outlive the deadly pandemic. The vaccines from Big Pharma are coming too late to save many.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2503546]I disconnected with a super cute 18-year old spinner from Samar after she sent me her college tuition bill to pay. Hahaha. Delete and then block. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Why delete her? The tuition fees will still be there when you do arrive and my experience has been that no grudges are held once you are standing in a hotel room with marshmallow in one hand 1000 p in the other. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505173]Why delete her? The tuition fees will still be there when you do arrive and my experience has been that no grudges are held once you are standing in a hotel room with marshmallow in one hand 1000 p in the other. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Seldom they show up. Tuition plea is another way of asking for money. No point in wasting time and salivating. Start chatting couple of weeks before feet on the ground and hope marshmallow hardened by viagra and hot young pussy juice will be heaven.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2505186]Seldom they show up. Tuition plea is another way of asking for money. No point in wasting time and salivating. Start chatting couple of weeks before feet on the ground and hope marshmallow hardened by viagra and hot young pussy juice will be heaven.[/QUOTE]Sadly, it will be at least another year before aged Viagra-infused marshmallows can reunite with young pussy juice. Thank goodness there is an abundance of trike drivers to fill those pussies with hard eggrolls, making good use of monger remittances to buy post-coital refreshments such as Red Horse and ciggies.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2505186]Seldom they show up. Tuition plea is another way of asking for money. No point in wasting time and salivating. Start chatting couple of weeks before feet on the ground and hope marshmallow hardened by viagra and hot young pussy juice will be heaven.[/QUOTE]Valid points. Normally I wouldn't even message until I was boots on the ground. But these are exceptional circumstances. My online activity is mildly titillating at best and a few of the numbers may pan out later. I don't think anyone should expect a very high conversion rate though.

I do stand by my previous comment that refusal to pay while out of country has no bearing bearing on whether one will score upon arrival. I've never had a girl hold a grudge when I'm standing there in front of her.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505227].... I've never had a girl hold a grudge when I'm standing there in front of her.[/QUOTE]With cash in hand LOL.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2505336]With cash in hand LOL.[/QUOTE]Actually cash in one hand marshmallow in the other. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505173]Why delete her? The tuition fees will still be there when you do arrive and my experience has been that no grudges are held once you are standing in a hotel room with marshmallow in one hand 1000 p in the other. 😁.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

The pictures of IV drip bags with the grandpa or the LBFM on life support are coming in thick and fast. LOL. Certainly much quicker than last year. This poor 20-year year old LBFM from some town in Mindanao first had an asthma attack, then was diagnosed with heart disease the following day. She's looking for a sponsor to pay for her triple bypass. Yes a fit 20-year spinner in some flea ridden dump needs a triple bypass. Hahahahahahahaha. The funniest thing was there was no photo actually showing the IV bottles connected to said LBFM. When I mentioned that, "she" just ran away. Hahahahaha. Just get the girl on cam straight away and you will know if she is a he. I couldn't be bothered, so just deleted and blocked. In any case, there was probably no girl anyway. Just some Nigerian in Abuja on a fishing trip for an easy 30,000 peso.

The second screen shot shows me inadvertently getting caught up in a dispute over a sack of rice. I was the innocent third party. Hahahaha. Apparently, it was my responsibility to pay for the sack of rice. The MILF wanted 3,000 peso after chatting for one day hahahaha. Fuck me dead. The shit we put up with for a mediocre root or to just to get our marshmallows sucked.

I agree with all the comments regarding conversations with dirt poor Filipinas. What could a highly educated, erudite, wealthy corporate executive in London, Sydney, Paris or New York possibly talk to a poor Filipina in some slum village in Eastern Samar about? Hahahahahahaha. The chasm is just too big to close. Impossible actually. Yes, mind numbing conversations about going to the market to buy vegetables, eating instant noodles for lunch, how she had a nap, is watching Korean drama, making Tik Tok videos or that she is running out of load. At least she won't complain about toilet paper shortages. LOL. What is mind numbing for some mongers must be enthralling for others (remember Bob? Jesus. Seems like the provincial Filipinas spend most of the day napping since it doesn't cost anything. Getting a root with a desperate LBFM doesn't have to be so painful. Just turn on Tinder or WeChat when you arrive at NAIA and you will be hit with an avalanche of pussy. There is actually no need to waste your time on PL, FC or DIA. You will go stir crazy.

You know what the scary thing is? Instagram now sends me recommendations for the Pinay chicks I've just chatted with on on PL! I might need to go to Kenya to get my marshmallow sucked. Those tall, slim, African chicks look pretty hot to me.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2505135]Nice report Nightrider. Do the girls have an expectation that you're going to marry them and take them to Rich White Man Land or do the understand from the outset that you're only going to meet them for two paid roots and be gone?[/QUOTE]I tried to send you private mssg but your inbox is full engine driver.

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[QUOTE=BrizLad;2503092]One girl I have known for 8 years years has been in contact with me, she's now living on the family farm back from her single life as a OFW in Dubai. She has asked for 'help' which I declined as I said I had helped her so much in the past. She was quick to explain that previously that was "just business" arrangement as I was getting something in return when she was staying with me in Manila. No she needs 'help' which also implies she won't be returning anything. Bit of a home goal on her part.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2505168]Interesting views in these previous posts as I have exactly the same happening now.

I can't maintain chats for long even with some regulars who I met several times. Except one maybe but since some weeks all chats have faded away and I am not in the mood to start new ones.

Hope all this will have an end soon.[/QUOTE]I have finally broken down and succumbed to one I met on a dating app from Cavite. Bottom line was I asked her to meet me on IG, and surprisingly she did. Then I asked for a private show and she asked for how much. We haggled, I brought it down from $150 to $100 via Pay Pal. I had opted to use WU, but she is the second Pinay that has told me that they have been banned from WU. That statement alone raised a few alarm bells but I said what the heck, TOFTT.

Got her real name and info and set it up and showed proof. I started to get some usual hemming and hawing since I had just a limited amount of free time to actually enjoy a show before SO came home but finally she came online and did the show. Performance wasn't that great, but great effort was put into it. She's actually a nice looking lady of 44 with a great body. Afterwards we talked broke the ice a little and I put out my terms. I offered maybe once a month to do a transfer and all I expected was a show and a little more voyeurisms. Gave her my breakdown, I'm not planning on leaving SO and kid, and they will come first but if I have an extra $100 at the end of the month, maybe I can send but I don't expect to be asked every other day to pay tuition, or hospital bills or etc. When I asked what she did for work, she pretty much said what I just saw. Translation, she's good looking and really used to be so she was the "other woman" to some other guys who had a family and as a result has three kids. But from looking at videos from her home looks like a nice place.

Fortunately my work will allow me to travel to the PH after COVID settles down, so I put it out there that I may be there and would like to see her. Told her for a work trip, I can't be seen with her tagging along with me so I would set her up in a room apart from mine and that was agreeable. I agree maintaining long distance chats can get tiresome, but now is the time to start sowing the seeds and setting the traps. With vaccines coming, and the whole scale hypocrisy by the likes of folks like the Gov. Of CA who tells everyone to limit Thanksgiving gatherings and shuts down bars, yet is cold caught sitting in a large group celebrating someone's 50th birthday indoors, no masks in one of the most expensive restaurants in the USA with a group made up of lobbyists and some of the same folks on the CA public health boards while sending his kids to private school in person yet telling the rest of the folks in person schooling is too dangerous is starting to not sit well with folks. Even in very liberal CA they are tired of his stuff. Multiply that world wide, and in the USA with Trump out of the office net year and there's no more "Bogey Man" to blame it on things will probably start to change a bit. I am sure the normal scene of how things used to be with basically supermarket service of walking in and picking up at the local bar scene will take some time to get back going, so now is the time to start laying the groundwork to make those first trips (I'm going to say by mid March) more productive by having one you've set up things with now, rather than trying to maintain something distant for a year.

Am I going to get taken to the cleaners by this one? Probably so, hell I'm still not being fully honest with her so the amount I put into it is what I am willing to write off. Don't get me wrong, not a big spender and I need to watch every dollar I spend but one thing COVID lockdowns have shown that I can get by without some of the daily spending I used to do that would also be done while I was mongering. So I say why not, I'm not expecting to sweep this lady off her feet, nor putting her nephews through trade school. A simple transaction so at least when I get there I will have one more option on the table.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505448]Then I asked for a private show and she asked for how much. We haggled, I brought it down from $150 to $100 via Pay Pal. She's actually a nice looking lady of 44 with a great body. Gave her my breakdown, I'm not planning on leaving SO and kid, and they will come first but if I have an extra $100 at the end of the month, maybe I can send.[/QUOTE]I said it before that guys are paying more to see these broads on cam than they would have to pay to actually fuck them in real life. It appears to be 5 times as much as a matter of fact. SMDH!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505448].... I'm not planning on leaving SO and kid, and they will come first but if I have an extra $100 at the end of the month, maybe I can send but I don't expect to be asked every other day to pay tuition, or hospital bills or etc. When I asked what she did for work, she pretty much said what I just saw. Translation, she's good looking and really used to be so she was the "other woman" to some other guys who had a family and as a result has three kids....[/QUOTE]I've always been adamant that guys can spend their money how and on who they want to. So its good you had a good time.

BUT 5000 p for a 44 yo with 3 kids to give a so so show then have the possibility of it becoming a reoccurring gig explains why girls are leaving bars and in person P4 P gigs en-mass.

Just imagine how much business a hot 19 yo is pulling in online without so much as meeting guys let alone actually having to fuck a fat sweaty 70 yo.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2505366]Just turn on Tinder or WeChat when you arrive at NAIA and you will be hit with an avalanche of pussy. There is actually no need to waste your time on PL, FC or DIA. You will go stir crazy.
[/QUOTE]In mid-2021 there will be a stampede of freshly vaccinated mongers landing at NAIA and dispersing into their favourite province. We will each hit our favourite town and be welcomed by the resident foreigners whom will be happy to pass us the baton for servicing al the SYTs. There will be many bills to pay and we will happily do our best to contribute to as many families as we can during our short stay.

A few years ago one of my Filipina flings did genuinely get diagnosed with a condition and required ongoing support. I did help get her through that and she did graduate college with me paying the final bill. Last message contact I had was that she had found a new foreigner man. I do see her on IG from time to time and she looks very happy with new man. I really wish her the best for her life as she has been dealt a tough life. One day maybe her BF can thank me for training her to take anal and CIM.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505573]I've always been adamant that guys can spend their money how and on who they want to. So its good you had a good time.

BUT 5000 p for a 44 yo with 3 kids to give a so so show then have the possibility of it becoming a reoccurring gig explains why girls are leaving bars and in person P4 P gigs en-mass.

Just imagine how much business a hot 19 yo is pulling in online without so much as meeting guys let alone actually having to fuck a fat sweaty 70 yo.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Good for MrBombay getting what he wants.

For the Filipina though there is also a need to understand 'volume'. I don't know the numbers here, let's say on any day pre-covid there were 100,000 Filipinas fucking foreigners across the country. Is that number the same or is there less than 5,000 getting $100 a hit.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505573]I've always been adamant that guys can spend their money how and on who they want to. So its good you had a good time.

BUT 5000 p for a 44 yo with 3 kids to give a so so show then have the possibility of it becoming a reoccurring gig explains why girls are leaving bars and in person P4 P gigs en-mass.

Just imagine how much business a hot 19 yo is pulling in online without so much as meeting guys let alone actually having to fuck a fat sweaty 70 yo.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]You know before my "vaccine" was released I did testing and actually had a rather younger one online and managed to get her off the dating app to WhatsApp and then started asking to see how far she would go. She only changed into something slightly sexier, but wouldn't really do anything else. Then I got the whole "I can't do that kind of stuff I'm looking for my soulmate" stuff and so I decided to cut bait. You may be right, there are some out there who are younger but for now I think the overall effects of COVID has pushed them more into the "time to get out the rain" and chose up and make the most with someone who can get me out of here rather than what some of the older ones who probably said when they were younger "tomorrow never comes" and as a result are willing to see how the world really works.

I'm just saying this will probably work for me. Of course once things get back open there will be price adjustments as some of the old haunts will no longer be open and maybe some newer ones will come into play but may have a different pricing scheme.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505576]Of course once things get back open there will be price adjustments as some of the old haunts will no longer be open and maybe some newer ones will come into play but may have a different pricing scheme.[/QUOTE]If by price adjustments surely you do not mean prices going down. And there are no new places coming. They do not want the old places as it is and have you seen how far down the talent and service had gone at old places? Once what is left die out then that is a wrap on that era.

The game is now online. But it was supposed to be the meet a chick and she comes over and fuck for $20 game, not the pay $100 to see her on cam game. There are tons of recorded cam shows online for free!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2505583]If by price adjustments surely you do not mean prices going down. And there are no new places coming. They do not want the old places as it is and have you seen how far down the talent and service had gone at old places? Once what is left die out then that is a wrap on that era.

The game is now online. But it was supposed to be the meet a chick and she comes over and fuck for $20 game, not the pay $100 to see her on cam game. There are tons of recorded cam shows online for free![/QUOTE]True I can see the game shifting to online, but frankly I've found that if it's that cheap, I'll wind up spending more because after all it's only going to be $20. But a little more expensive, then I'll choose wisely. Keep in mind, this is what works for me. I know my situation and what I can and can't do but this works. Just like there have always been some very high end that will charge more than the average $300-$400 for 1 hour (going rate for here in Japan where I am), and there are some that are a little less than the average and there will be just about the same quality throughout. Just what one is willing to put up with.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2505583]If by price adjustments surely you do not mean prices going down. And there are no new places coming. They do not want the old places as it is and have you seen how far down the talent and service had gone at old places? Once what is left die out then that is a wrap on that era.

The game is now online. But it was supposed to be the meet a chick and she comes over and fuck for $20 game, not the pay $100 to see her on cam game. There are tons of recorded cam shows online for free![/QUOTE]Hate to say you are probably right. Just like all the malls that are in America have seemed to go downhill with the coming of internet shopping, I suspect the same will happen for those many famous places like Orchard Towers and the many other Lurker Avenues across the world. But just as the malls declined and online shopping picked up, people have started to find there is nothing like actually going to a store, trying something on and seeing if it actually works can't be beat. Same for the future of lurking, sure you can scout more in a manner of minutes over a broad area than one could do say sitting in a bar in Angeles city, but you never know how far away from you they will be, if they are in a session, and how much of it is photoshopped. Nothing better to have one pull up a stool and sit next to you and try the hands on approach at hustling. Plus nothing worse than being with an internet provider and her phone pinging every 5 minutes either from her agency or another customer putting another bid in.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2505573]I've always been adamant that guys can spend their money how and on who they want to. So its good you had a good time.

BUT 5000 p for a 44 yo with 3 kids to give a so so show then have the possibility of it becoming a reoccurring gig explains why girls are leaving bars and in person P4 P gigs en-mass.

Just imagine how much business a hot 19 yo is pulling in online without so much as meeting guys let alone actually having to fuck a fat sweaty 70 yo.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]To be fair to the 44 yr. Old, she looks like a "kept woman" and is in great physical shape and a body that is a knock out! Much better than some of the younger ones I've seen and IMO well worth the costs.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505694]To be fair to the 44 yr. Old, she looks like a "kept woman" and is in great physical shape and a body that is a knock out! Much better than some of the younger ones I've seen and IMO well worth the costs.[/QUOTE]So a monger pays five times the going rate for a cam show. That's the good thing about an unregulated economy. You can pay whatever you like. The 44 year old MILF must have thought he was super rich and an easy mark. The hot young spinners only quote me 1,000 peso for a show or say "up to you". That's the benefit of looking poor, being fat and confined to a mobility scooter and respirator. But I never take up the offer as I don't want the dreaded knock on my door by the Feds. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505694]To be fair to the 44 yr. Old, she looks like a "kept woman" and is in great physical shape and a body that is a knock out! Much better than some of the younger ones I've seen and IMO well worth the costs.[/QUOTE]It would be great if there's a Pic which tells a thousand words.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2505693]r Lurker Avenues across the world. But just as the malls declined and online shopping picked up, people have started to find there is nothing like actually going to a store, trying something on and seeing if it actually works can't be beat. .[/QUOTE]A common complaint here in Australia was that were people were going to the shops and trying on the clothes, then going home and buying the same item on line for a fraction of the retail price.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2505733]But I never take up the offer as I don't want the dreaded knock on my door by the Feds. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]You must be getting interesting offers.

Since Westpac and others had their runin with Austrac I've been wondering if my activities have flagged anything. I'm thinking I've had 20-30 $100 transfers to Philippines each year for the past few years. All legitimate to girls I know and have met though.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2505891]A common complaint here in Australia was that were people were going to the shops and trying on the clothes, then going home and buying the same item on line for a fraction of the retail price.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's always been the Aussie way. Giving the two fingered salute. Hahaha. It was pointless buying at the store because customer service doesn't really exist. The shops are manned by people who don't want to be there or by Asian international students who can't speak English.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2505898]Yes, that's always been the Aussie way. Giving the two fingered salute. Hahaha. It was pointless buying at the store because customer service doesn't really exist. The shops are manned by people who don't want to be there or by Asian international students who can't speak English.[/QUOTE]I'm really struggling to remember the last time I walked into a store and bought an item that wasn't a daily staple. Same for girls. My last actual barfine was a disaster and that was after many years of only using existing contacts, referrals or online hookups.

If I go to a bar now, more than likely it's to meet up with male friends not to score hoes.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2505892]You must be getting interesting offers.[/QUOTE]Not as good as Dr Bombay's deal. One girl in Cebu said she would go and grab her friend for a double show at the same price. Another said she would perform for unlimited time (with unlimited cum shots hahaha. No thank you.

All seem to say that business is slow and there is just too much competition for customers. If there are 1,000 mongers cruising the dating sites, there must be 2,000 girls willing to flash their assets for money at any given time.

Many mongers get off on flashing their marshmallows to the girls. Hahaha. No money in that for anyone.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2506129]Many mongers get off on flashing their marshmallows to the girls. Hahaha. No money in that for anyone.[/QUOTE]There is for the girls if John was stupid enough to send his photo to the girl and a reverse image search brings up his happy ever after family and image conscious occupation.

I'm not paranoid enough to say it happens a lot but it's not unheard of.

Cheers. G.

I have women begging me to pay them $25 for a scam show. I prefer to keep my money. There is software that has a girl waving etc but is fake and designed to blackmail you, I know of cases, reported in the media, where guys killed themselves, having been fooled to jerk off etc online.

Marshmallow flashing is a huge thing. I know a very respectable friend of mine who mooned street walkers for a car many moons ago, I would not have expected that from him in 1,000,000 years. Point is there is a lot of flashing going on. Howe many of them are immature kids, budding rapists etc I don't know.

As long as C19 travel restrictions last, online is only for fun. This fool will not part so easily with his money.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2506221]There is software that has a girl waving etc but is fake and designed to blackmail you...[/QUOTE]How do girls make video calls that are just prerecorded clips?

I understand sending a video attachment. That's simple. But I have had a couple of video calls that were obviously prerecorded. I'm not WhatsApp literate enough to know how this is done and how they can be quickly identified (beyond them not responding directly to your spoken requests or instructions).

[URL]https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/ewhoring-scam-camgirl-show/[/URL]

The above answers your questions. Please read but remember, it is only 101. There is software now to do everything and e scamming horny guys is a numbers game. I am sure all the fiverr guys in India and Pakistan are helping. My needs are quite simple. I have a marshmallow that wants moist Bush. But the game has moved on and so has the software.

I have not moved on. My primary tastes are very simple (LBFMs in the flesh). Real not virtual for me. Virtual is not my mindset.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2506371]How do girls make video calls that are just prerecorded clips?

I understand sending a video attachment. That's simple. But I have had a couple of video calls that were obviously prerecorded. I'm not WhatsApp literate enough to know how this is done and how they can be quickly identified (beyond them not responding directly to your spoken requests or instructions).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2506129]Not as good as Dr Bombay's deal. One girl in Cebu said she would go and grab her friend for a double show at the same price. Another said she would perform for unlimited time (with unlimited cum shots hahaha. No thank you.

All seem to say that business is slow and there is just too much competition for customers. If there are 1,000 mongers cruising the dating sites, there must be 2,000 girls willing to flash their assets for money at any given time.

Many mongers get off on flashing their marshmallows to the girls. Hahaha. No money in that for anyone.[/QUOTE]What worked for me was I met the one I mentioned on Skout. Spent some time there and then just asked if person had IG and worked from there. If you go to Massage Republic you can see the link to the cam shows but like others have said those are just set ups most likely. There are more ways like the one I mentioned where you get to know and get them to a one on one situation. Hey I will admit virtual is not the best, but what are you going to do in these times?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2506404][URL]https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/ewhoring-scam-camgirl-show/[/URL]

The above answers your questions. Please read but remember, it is only 101. There is software now to do everything and e scamming horny guys is a numbers game. I am sure all the fiverr guys in India and Pakistan are helping. My needs are quite simple. I have a marshmallow that wants moist Bush. But the game has moved on and so has the software.

I have not moved on. My primary tastes are very simple (LBFMs in the flesh). Real not virtual for me. Virtual is not my mindset.[/QUOTE]There is a site in Japan called "Madame Chat" or something along those lines where you join for free, and they post profiles of women online who are supposedly "housewives" that are sitting in rooms just waiting to chat. You pick one and then meet in private room and then you chat them up and it is up to them to do what they want. I tried this out (years ago) and found it to be interesting. These were legit women who were just picking up extra cash on the side. Made some plans with one, but some jealous boyfriend type (in Japanese society he was more of a big loser) kept getting in the way of us meeting. I was in Yokohama at the time and she was further south, but dude was asking her to ask me if I pay her way up to see him (he was in my area) then we could get together. I cut ties at that point.

Problem I kept running into the number of English speakers was low and they weren't on all the time, but was striking up a solid conversation with one and the SO was coming upstairs so I had to bail out. Price was on par you pay be credit card for points, and each minute was probably about 10 point or something like that. That site was very popular with Japanese dudes since most of them are what they call "shut in" types who try to avoid social contact at all costs but are willing to troll the web all hours of the night looking for interaction. Though not a Philippine Chat room it will be those guys that one will see who will be flooding the bars and streets of Angeles City and other spots once travel opens up. Be aware, those types will have a lot of money to spend so I advise start laying the ground work now.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2506455]Hey I will admit virtual is not the best, but what are you going to do in these times?[/QUOTE]You could do what I mentioned before and just visit a country that is open. PI is not the only show in town.

Before any of you horny mongers whip out your marshmallows to jack off to a cute Pinay on screen, make sure you watch this video.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/101-east/2020/11/13/philippines-queen-of-extortion/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511242]Before any of you horny mongers whip out your marshmallows to jack off to a cute Pinay on screen, make sure you watch this video.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/101-east/2020/11/13/philippines-queen-of-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks Driver,

Very interesting viewing.

[QUOTE=JackLad100;2511437]Very interesting viewing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511242]Before any of you horny mongers whip out your marshmallows to jack off to a cute Pinay on screen, make sure you watch this video.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/101-east/2020/11/13/philippines-queen-of-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, and as part of the 101 course, which we've covered before, the best advice is that you not only keep your cam turned off (you are paying to see the girl, not vice versa), but that you also cover it (with a piece of tape, or such) so you can't be seen in case its turned on remotely. Bajesus.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2511459]Yes, and as part of the 101 course, which we've covered before, the best advice is that you not only keep your cam turned off (you are paying to see the girl, not vice versa), but that you also cover it (with a piece of tape, or such) so you can't be seen in case its turned on remotely. Bajesus.[/QUOTE]Good advice Westie. The thrill for many mongers comes from showing off their 2-inch marshmallows to the "girls", so they need their cameras on. Hahaha.

In the program, the workers were lady boys and the "live cam shows" were just pre-recorded crap they pinched from porn sites! Hahaha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511242]Before any of you horny mongers whip out your marshmallows to jack off to a cute Pinay on screen, make sure you watch this video.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/101-east/2020/11/13/philippines-queen-of-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]Good tutorial.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511516]Good tutorial.[/QUOTE]To offer a few recommendations:

1. Different emails are free and plentiful. Keep your "real life" profiles separate from your Lurking profiles. If someone pretty asks to inbox you on your regular FB, or other program, just deny and move on.

2. They use fake profiles so should you. Keep your real life private. You can make a slew of Google or other email addresses to provide to those sites to register. If you will put up a profile pic, make sure it's not one you use on your normal accounts.

3. Dual sim phones, I can't stress enough. Keep the numbers and worlds private. I'm using a Samsung and they have a nice app that lets you set up a complete private portion where you can have your off-name FB, WA and other accounts. With a dual sim you can use that number, or try something like Hushed which will let you register WA. I have two WA accounts on my phone. One for everyday use, and the other for lurking.

4. Sending money. This is where they will get you. You can chat on Meet Me as anonymous all you want but when your break down and want to remit money, you will have to use your real name unless there is a way that one can send without giving up too much info. You'll also find out that all of a sudden their name will have changed when you get ready to submit, or they are "black balled" from Western Union. If that's the case, you should seriously think twice about showing your manhood online.

I'm sure that there are many more ways to make sure you are safe lurking. Just take it easy and be careful. If you are one who doesn't care what your family and friends see you do, then go right ahead. But if you want to stay in the shadows, pick up a few tricks to keep you safe.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511242]Before any of you horny mongers whip out your marshmallows to jack off to a cute Pinay on screen, make sure you watch this video.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/101-east/2020/11/13/philippines-queen-of-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]Excellent video and for those who did 101, better towards the end.

1. Their methods are primitive, cutting and pasting Pornhub stuff. The technology is way beyond that.

2. Cops and everyone on the take.

3. Interesting how they target their victims, overseas oil workers etc.

4. Some other points, mostly towards the end.

5. I do like how Maria wears a God t shirt and that she puts her faith in God. God delivered mugs to her.

As for the cam show scams, I have to admit that the Pinay who invented the scam is a fucking genius. She certainly is not a birdbrained nincompoop. She knows that foreign mongers love to show off their 2-inch marshmallows, so she went for it. Hahahaha. She puts the Nigerians to shame.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511558]As for the cam show scams, I have to admit that the Pinay who invented the scam is a fucking genius. She certainly is not a birdbrained nincompoop. She knows that foreign mongers love to show off their 2-inch marshmallows, so she went for it. Hahahaha. She puts the Nigerians to shame.[/QUOTE]This person is a criminal. And I hope that someone finds them and kills them for the harm that they have caused.

Webcam sex is common and I have had it with mutually consenting partners hundreds of times. No one should be fucked over for this.

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2511702]Webcam sex is common and I have had it with mutually consenting partners hundreds of times. No one should be fucked over for this.[/QUOTE]You are only fucked over if you believe you did something wrong. They have no power over a mf that does not care or is not ashamed.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511558]As for the cam show scams, I have to admit that the Pinay who invented the scam is a fucking genius. She certainly is not a birdbrained nincompoop. She knows that foreign mongers love to show off their 2-inch marshmallows, so she went for it. Hahahaha. She puts the Nigerians to shame.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's hard not to laugh over the young Brit lad who killed himself when his money ran out. So funny. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2511742]Yeah it's hard not to laugh over the young Brit lad who killed himself when his money ran out. So funny. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]I keep saying this. Many mongers take everything so literally. Sarcasm, wit and humor is certainly lost under all those layers of fat. Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2511748]I keep saying this. Many mongers take everything so literally. Sarcasm, wit and humor is certainly lost under all those layers of fat. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]I was bit surprised though to hear that they primarily target rich Singaporeans, who are supposed to be a high-IQ lot.

Obviously not much help when they let their 2-inch marshmallows do the thinking. S-boy's long going educational efforts seem wasted.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2511720]You are only fucked over if you believe you did something wrong. They have no power over a mf that does not care or is not ashamed.[/QUOTE]That's why I don't go for all this 007, secret squirrel, second identity stuff. I don't do stupid shit online and any girl I do see face to face could easily spend 5 minutes or 500 p to hotel staff to find my true identity. Sure I keep a separate monger phone and don't hand out my wife's work email address but that's my limit.

My to do list is:

Don't do stupid shit.

Treat everyone decently, without being a sucker.

Get drunk, party 'till 4 am OR chase dirty hoes. Don't get drunk, party 'till 4 am AND chase dirty hoes.

Don't lie to girls showing them that they have leverage over you.

If it's too good to be true, bail out.

If the SHTF, smile and pay early. Don't escalate to higher authorities expecting a solution.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511527] or they are "black balled" from Western Union. [/QUOTE]I tried to send by WU once to a girl and WU refused saying she was "black Balled" or something similiar. I never had that happen before nor since and when I told her what WU said she acted shocked and offered no reason. What are the reasons for this to happen? I'm sure she must have been up to something bcuz WU wouldn't refuse to make a buck without a good reason. Anyone?

[QUOTE=ForkTruck;2511824]I tried to send by WU once to a girl and WU refused saying she was "black Balled" or something similiar. I never had that happen before nor since and when I told her what WU said she acted shocked and offered no reason. What are the reasons for this to happen? I'm sure she must have been up to something bcuz WU wouldn't refuse to make a buck without a good reason. Anyone?[/QUOTE]Previous guys have reported "her" account for fraudulent activity. As WU is for cash transfer as opposed to payment for services the reports could be for anything but there have been enough of them for WU to cut their losses and walk away from "her" potential business.

Or her account activity smells of laudering.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2511797]My to do list is:

Don't do stupid shit.[/QUOTE]And the stupid shit would be adding someone I did not know to facebook as the person in the video said that was how the scam was run. When someone tries to add me I go over with a fine tooth comb to see who it is and I may not click confirm for months or even years in some cases.

But of course some guys are sitting around horny then all of a sudden a pretty face pops up and their brain turns to mush. I have not even thought about using facebook for that kind of shit. I only use it as a connect to non-hooker people that I have met in my lifetime, e. G. coworkers, classmates, military buddies, family, etc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2511844]And the stupid shit would be adding someone I did not know to facebook as the person in the video said that was how the scam was run. When someone tries to add me I go over with a fine tooth comb to see who it is and I may not click confirm for months or even years in some cases.

But of course some guys are sitting around horny then all of a sudden a pretty face pops up and their brain turns to mush. I have not even thought about using facebook for that kind of shit. I only use it as a connect to non-hooker people that I have met in my lifetime, e. G. coworkers, classmates, military buddies, family, etc.[/QUOTE]I've dealt with the "pretty face" situation this way, I always ask myself why would a nice stunner like that be that interested in me on a cold call? I'm not saying I don't have confidence in my ability or looks, but I'm just being realistic. Someone that cray over me without knowing tells me all I need to know and just stand clear. Not saying that I am only into "ugly" (no one is really ugly at 2 am the night before the ship gets underway) but you get my drift. Just manage your expectations and sometimes it's good not to believe your own hype.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2511844]And the stupid shit would be adding someone I did not know to facebook as the person in the video said that was how the scam was run..[/QUOTE]FB is a double edged sword. Girls can use it as a foot in the door to find a huge amount of detailed info about John and FB itself connects the dots from a vast array of sources to recommend him to people and unexplainable faces to his own account. All of which may not be desirable and often without his consent.

Don't even get me started on potential dramas from 'friend of friends' connections.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2512107]FB is a double edged sword. Girls can use it as a foot in the door to find a huge amount of detailed info about John and FB itself connects the dots from a vast array of sources to recommend him to people and unexplainable faces to his own account. All of which may not be desirable and often without his consent.

[/QUOTE]Exactly. And filipinas often have much more time than you do to "research" and contact your FB connections for info. Better keep FB settings at absolute minimum disclosure, ideally without pics. Never routinely approve requests as Mr E pointed out. It's amazing how many requesting accounts "vaporize" if you let them linger for a while.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2512124]Exactly. And filipinas often have much more time than you do to "research" and contact your FB connections for info. Better keep FB settings at absolute minimum disclosure, ideally without pics. Never routinely approve requests as Mr E pointed out. It's amazing how many requesting accounts "vaporize" if you let them linger for a while.[/QUOTE]I just cycle my mongering FB account every 6 months or so. I also never friend my mongering account and my regular FB account. I just abandon the old account and set up a new one with only minimal information.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2511742]Yeah it's hard not to laugh over the young Brit lad who killed himself when his money ran out. So funny. Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Completely disagree. Surprised to read your comment.

PP.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2511797]That's why I don't go for all this 007, secret squirrel, second identity stuff. I don't do stupid shit online and any girl I do see face to face could easily spend 5 minutes or 500 p to hotel staff to find my true identity. Sure I keep a separate monger phone and don't hand out my wife's work email address but that's my limit.

My to do list is:

Don't do stupid shit.

Treat everyone decently, without being a sucker.

Get drunk, party 'till 4 am OR chase dirty hoes. Don't get drunk, party 'till 4 am AND chase dirty hoes.

Don't lie to girls showing them that they have leverage over you.

If it's too good to be true, bail out.

If the SHTF, smile and pay early. Don't escalate to higher authorities expecting a solution.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I act the same as you. These are great rules for the "players" better word is Mongerer of which I am one now and again. I prefer to date normal gals and reward them versus a straight up pro but once in awhile an angry fuck with a straight up pro is on the menu.

We are not participating in a noble act but it is an honest act, one of self pleasure and we have earned that right.

So lets be honest about it!

PP.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2511546]

5. I do like how Maria wears a God t shirt and that she puts her faith in God. God delivered mugs to her.[/QUOTE]I generally distrust people who wear religion on their sleeves. A faithful Christian, for example, can simply act charitably towards others without needing to explain it as religion. People who wear their Christianity on clothing or announce their Christianity as part of their "presentation of self" are doing it to manipulate other people's impressions of them (or perhaps trying to convince themselves of it). "Good" Christian is not a thing unless you can show examples of "bad" Christians.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2512346]Completely disagree. Surprised to read your comment.

PP.[/QUOTE]I think he actually meant the opposite. He was taking a dig at me hahaha. Sarcasm, wit and humor is lost on many mongers.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2513413]....... "Good" Christian is not a thing unless you can show examples of "bad" Christians.[/QUOTE]Lots of examples of bad Christians out there.

Yes, ED, QED.

[quote=enginedriver;2513419]i think he actually meant the opposite. He was taking a dig at me hahaha. Sarcasm, wit and humor is lost on many mongers.[/quote]

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2513413]I generally distrust people who wear religion on their sleeves. A faithful Christian, for example, can simply act charitably towards others without needing to explain it as religion. People who wear their Christianity on clothing or announce their Christianity as part of their "presentation of self" are doing it to manipulate other people's impressions of them (or perhaps trying to convince themselves of it). "Good" Christian is not a thing unless you can show examples of "bad" Christians.[/QUOTE]Whenever I'm doing business with someone, and they start telling me how much of a good Christian they are, blah blah blah, I know I'm about to get fucked.

Hi Kabulguy,

Somewhere in the forum I read about you losing contact with a girl around the start of covid season. Something about how you noticed none of her accounts got touched again. Did that girl ever resurface or get in contact?

I'm just interested as to whether girls come and go like that.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2513413]I generally distrust people who wear religion on their sleeves. A faithful Christian, for example, can simply act charitably towards others without needing to explain it as religion. People who wear their Christianity on clothing or announce their Christianity as part of their "presentation of self" are doing it to manipulate other people's impressions of them (or perhaps trying to convince themselves of it). "Good" Christian is not a thing unless you can show examples of "bad" Christians.[/QUOTE]I have been on the receiving end of forgiveness from a few pinay. They have caught me cheating on them, I ask for forgiveness and they let me back into their pussy. That's the beauty of their strong Christian faith for me.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2513839]Hi Kabulguy,

Somewhere in the forum I read about you losing contact with a girl around the start of covid season. Something about how you noticed none of her accounts got touched again. Did that girl ever resurface or get in contact?

I'm just interested as to whether girls come and go like that.[/QUOTE]Yes they do IMHO, they change their mobile numbers more than I have had hot dinners also. Then send the ubiquitous 'Hi' to my number expecting me to know who it is as if I have ESP etc.

Plus if you gave cash previously they will also resurface especially around school fee payment time, Christmas, birthday and or natural disaster. Then it is up to you to decide next steps on cash etc.

I have some cuties who come and go and mainly come back for one of the 4 reasons above.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2513850]I have been on the receiving end of forgiveness from a few pinay. They have caught me cheating on them, I ask for forgiveness and they let me back into their pussy. That's the beauty of their strong Christian faith for me.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is the faith that makes them forgive it is your wallet maybe?

I have been caught (more than once) playing with a cutie's sister and been forgiven. Some forgave me so much we had a nice threesome LOL and even brought a cousin along as 4 is an even number. Forgiveness comes in many ways and bisexual sisters is just one of them LOL.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2513993]I don't think it is the faith that makes them forgive it is your wallet maybe?

I have been caught (more than once) playing with a cutie's sister and been forgiven. Some forgave me so much we had a nice threesome LOL and even brought a cousin along as 4 is an even number. Forgiveness comes in many ways and bisexual sisters is just one of them LOL.[/QUOTE]I think they see it as as protection of their investment and to keep you, so you keep giving $ and they share the load of keeping you happy.

One spinner one time that I wanted to visit her, couldnt do because of her mens, so she proposed I take her untouch sister, just so I don't go looking around. I didn't take up the offer, didn't know if it was a test or not.
so instead i showed her how to get milk from me without wasting a drop in the swallow, lol lol i only have to wait 2 days until the mens passed for the full service

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2513812]Lots of examples of bad Christians out there.[/QUOTE]Of course. You and I see that, but then we're not "good Christians" who view other Christians with rose-tinted glasses. My point was that many pompous Christians use "good" as an unreflective adjective, as though good and Christian are synonymous.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2513832]Whenever I'm doing business with someone, and they start telling me how much of a good Christian they are, blah blah blah, I know I'm about to get fucked.[/QUOTE]You made my point better than I did.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2513850]I have been on the receiving end of forgiveness from a few pinay. They have caught me cheating on them, I ask for forgiveness and they let me back into their pussy. That's the beauty of their strong Christian faith for me.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that Christianity makes Filipinas manipulable? Notice that in your example they are not posturing their Christian goodness on you, as in Detwing's example; you're drawing their Christianity out of them. Two different things.

Sorry to hear that's the case.

Vic.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2514160]You made my point better than I did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2513832]Whenever I'm doing business with someone, and they start telling me how much of a good Christian they are, blah blah blah, I know I'm about to get fucked.[/QUOTE]I know I'm getting lucky when she says, "I'm not like those other girls. " The really good girl never says that.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2514163]Are you saying that Christianity makes Filipinas manipulable? Notice that in your example they are not posturing their Christian goodness on you, as in Detwing's example; you're drawing their Christianity out of them. Two different things.[/QUOTE]Well I was happy not to get stabbed on that occasion. OK, another of the Christian tests.

Attractive student type "No need for condom brizlad, if God wants me to get pregnant it will happen. " So over the few months we were seeing each other, she never allow any condoms in the apartment. She never got pregnant mainly because I always cum on her stomach, tits and / or face but there was always a chance I guess.

[QUOTE=Cbea20;2514491]I know I'm getting lucky when she says, "I'm not like those other girls. "[/QUOTE]Last time I heard that statement was in my room at the New World Hotel. An hour before she left to meet her fiancé at the airport.

Hopefully she brushed and flossed on the way to the airport, because she sure as hell didn't before leaving.

Kind of felt bad about that one and am hoping he wised up.

True story.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2514700]Last time I heard that statement was in my room at the New World Hotel. An hour before she left to meet her fianc at the airport.

Hopefully she brushed and flossed on the way to the airport, because she sure as hell didn't before leaving.

Kind of felt bad about that one and am hoping he wised up.

True story.[/QUOTE]It should not be the brushing and flossing she should be worried about. It is the white grease you put in her womb making her fiancé wonder why the white stuff is pouring out before he ejaculates.

However like many love struck men who arrive with flowers, I phones and money will not notice such trivial things. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2514701]It should not be the brushing and flossing she should be worried about. It is the white grease you put in her womb making her fianc wonder why the white stuff is pouring out before he ejaculates.

However like many love struck men who arrive with flowers, I phones and money will not notice such trivial things. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well in this case, the white grease was in her mouth and down the hatch, absent a little dribble on the chin.

Perhaps I should have offered her a Tic Tac.

Yeah I know what you mean about the men showing up with flowers, money and iPhones.

That always gives me a chuckle.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2514700]Last time I heard that statement was in my room at the New World Hotel. An hour before she left to meet her fianc at the airport. Hopefully she brushed and flossed on the way to the airport, because she sure as hell didn't before leaving.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2514701]It should not be the brushing and flossing she should be worried about. It is the white grease you put in her womb making her fianc wonder why the white stuff is pouring out before he ejaculates.[/QUOTE]Bad. Both you fellas is bad.

Previously reported years ago, similar situation. A dating site contact came to my hotel in Manila (from the province) on a bus, uninvited, with her mom, tita, and sister. Tiny, skinny, booby, and pretty. I had 10 days of debauchery in mind with Burgos and LAC girls. The two older ladies had something in mind also: to leave the 19 year old with me in hopes that I'd give her p10 k so they could get their motorcycle back (gambling loss). I kept the girl for 10 days, which turned into a f*ck-fest. Not sure who was more worn down to the bone (or by it). The girl didn't speak much English verbally, she was fine writing / typing it. Not much communication in the 10 days, but lots of sex. At the end of the 10 days I gave her the prize and off she went to the province, and off I went home to my country. Or so it seemed.

A week passed, almost no communication from her. You remember YM, yes? On the following Saturday morning (phils time) she contacted me, asking for p3000 remit for a bday party. I didn't send. 48 hours later the avatar on her YM changed to a picture: herself in a wedding dress, and an older (than me by 15 years) gray-haired gent in a tux. Married! In YM chat she explained a Detwing-type story to me: She had gone with me to drop me at NAIA departure, and then she went downstairs to arrivals to wait for Atlanta-guy's arrival. That's right, still dripping with my seed, at the airport she was on her way to pick up foreigner #2. They spent the better part of the week making wedding plans, and got married on Saturday evening (when she'd asked me for money in YM). No honeymoon to speak of, they slept at his hotel. He was impotent, no sex, although she tried. A day or so later, he flew home, promising to bring her to Georgia.

The next few months went to hell for her. He told her that he could not bear to tell his fam what he'd done or where he'd been. No Atlanta for you, sweetie. He stopped chatting her. One of her last YM messages to me: "Westy when you coming Manila next? I miss you".

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2514719]Bad. Both you fellas is bad.

Previously reported years ago, similar situation. A dating site contact came to my hotel in Manila (from the province) on a bus, uninvited, with her mom, tita, and sister. Tiny, skinny, booby, and pretty. I had 10 days of debauchery in mind with Burgos and LAC girls. The two older ladies had something in mind also: to leave the 19 year old with me in hopes that I'd give her p10 k so they could get their motorcycle back (gambling loss). I kept the girl for 10 days, which turned into a f*ck-fest. Not sure who was more worn down to the bone (or by it). The girl didn't speak much English verbally, she was fine writing / typing it. Not much communication in the 10 days, but lots of sex. At the end of the 10 days I gave her the prize and off she went to the province, and off I went home to my country. Or so it seemed.

A week passed, almost no communication from her. You remember YM, yes? On the following Saturday morning (phils time) she contacted me, asking for p3000 remit for a bday party. I didn't send. 48 hours later the avatar on her YM changed to a picture: herself in a wedding dress, and an older (than me by 15 years) gray-haired gent in a tux. Married! In YM chat she explained a Detwing-type story to me: She had gone with me to drop me at NAIA departure, and then she went downstairs to arrivals to wait for Atlanta-guy's arrival. That's right, still dripping with my seed, at the airport she was on her way to pick up foreigner #2. They spent the better part of the week making wedding plans, and got married on Saturday evening (when she'd asked me for money in YM). No honeymoon to speak of, they slept at his hotel. He was impotent, no sex, although she tried. A day or so later, he flew home, promising to bring her to Georgia.

The next few months went to hell for her. He told her that he could not bear to tell his fam what he'd done or where he'd been. No Atlanta for you, sweetie. He stopped chatting her. One of her last YM messages to me: "Westy when you coming Manila next? I miss you".[/QUOTE]Ha!! At least they're consistent!!

The really strange thing is that later in the evening, while trolling Greenbelt, I saw those two having a romantic evening at Tapellas, where she actually waved me over to introduce her fiancé. Yes, she actually did that. Obviously this is the short version of a much longer story, but nonetheless, keeping a straight face presented a unique challenge. Couldn't get away from that table fast enough.

She was a good Catholic girl. Marriage material.

[QUOTE=Detwing1;2514935]She was a good Catholic girl. Marriage material.[/QUOTE]Like many others here, I've been to the wedding of a former WG freelancer flame. New hubby seemed happy with such a beautiful woman. Wedding was in AC of all places.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2515366]Like many others here, I've been to the wedding of a former WG freelancer flame. New hubby seemed happy with such a beautiful woman. Wedding was in AC of all places.[/QUOTE]You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl.

In this girl's case, insert casino in place of bar.

While transiting to the Phils one trip I was oddly going through old emails. Found one chock full of suggestive pics from a saint in Cebu. So I sent a hey how are you email.

We met for breakfast one day her in her to short shorts and she was a short little 7 with a good rack. I knew quickly that sex would be had.

After the first couple of encounters, I like repeats personally because 99% of the time the sex is better, she hears her phone ring and we have to stop fucking and she asks me, pleads with me to be quiet. I play along. Most of the time I can tell the good ones from the bad ones. As I laid there I watched an Academy Award winning performance and later learned it was the Fianceee she had a ring and everything. You should have noted that many filipinas wear a ring on their wedding ring finger with no significance.

So we discuss it. Later that day another call more "coitus interrupts" and it was the Boyfriend. The fiancee was from Australia the BF was from the US and the cock in her was Canadian. She was truly an international player. I stopped nailing her after she informed me she was "falling" for me. OMG they have such big hearts and tiny cunts.

She was oddly proud of the money she wasted on shoes and phones and she literally had nothing after having received millions of pesos from stupid western men. She felt empowered that she could extract money from men, but other than pay for a few meals she got nothing from me. For many of these women it is their JOB, a full time Job to separate men from their money which is why I always ask what their work is. For her it was all about being seen with things that were given to her. She was not even that bright obviously.

If a woman lives alone with no job then do tell where the $$$ comes from? My 2nd question is with whom do you live. Pretty easy to learn who the "bad" girls are. IF you are not that smart to do a similar basic investigation then please email me I have some beachfront property for sale.

Before parting ways she told me a story about another American she was betroved to who sent her 30 k a week (a decade ago) and only visited 2 weeks a year. AND she cheated on him during one of these 2 week periods and lost her 30 K a week.

There are indeed some proper Filipinas (lots of them that are sincerely good women lots of 30+ virgins) and I think most of us can recognize them and us Mongerers should leave them alone for play purposes but too many men are unable to recognize the other set. I too have been fooled / deceived but my money always remained safe. I have wanted to marry 3 of them that all ended up cheating on me.

Send money if you wish, often it will help someone but don't expect a return on your investment and unless you are truly courting a proper good girl then 85% chance they are lying to you and if you are lying to them well then what can you say?

A fool and his money are.

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2515831]Send money if you wish, often it will help someone but don't expect a return on your investment and unless you are truly courting a proper good girl then 85% chance they are lying to you and if you are lying to them well then what can you say?

A fool and his money are.

PP.[/QUOTE]It's probably the new year resolutions but I found myself back on Pinalove last week, ostensibly to see if my ex was desperate for money and trolling the pampanga pages, She wasn't so I can safely assume the Korean dude is still paying for her and her family.

Fairly quickly though I did find myself chatting to a few interesting candidates.

A. A Cebu city law student 25, certainly knows her laws and intensely interesting. Would be worthwhile meeting her but it would take a couple of meets to get her into bed, although she is a flirt.

Be. Makati degree qualified therapist 24. Single, no kids, living alone, works fulltime.

See. Angeles city 22 year old hottie. Single, no kids, undamaged body. Loves sending videos of her smooth pussy.

Without the practicality of having to travel to the different cities. It's easy to find some good ones. Usually I'm focusing on just the city I will be visiting.

What my few days did identify is that, as before, the online dating sites are only needed to commence for the few days before the trip. Maximum one week I think.

Sadly as lovely as these three girls are I'm going to have to just tell them I won't waste their (my!) time by chatting them until I've landed in Ph sometime in the future.

In the spirit of adventure I did flick the Angeles girl P1 k and she certainly delivered good value for a guy stuck home in a lockdown.

Happy days.

BL.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2520275]
What my few days did identify is that, as before, the online dating sites are only needed to commence for the few days before the trip. Maximum one week I think.

Sadly as lovely as these three girls are I'm going to have to just tell them I won't waste their (my!) time by chatting them until I've landed in Ph sometime in the future....

BL.[/QUOTE]Some would argue that there is no need to make any contact until you are physically in town. I've been 0 for 100 with preplanned numbers and meetings but had great times with 2 to 36 hours notice in the same trip.

This is a good tactic: it prevents 2 years of inane whatsapp chatter until you can actually make it, you don't receive an endless stream of school fee or sick uncle funding requests, it shows the girls that you do actually intend to arrive and are not using chat just to request nudes or camsex.

Don't forget that pinas have zero forward planning. Once you are there, across the table at JollieBee, you will jump the queue ahead of all the promises and even remittances from overseas hopefuls.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2515831]
She was oddly proud of the money she wasted on shoes and phones and she literally had nothing after having received millions of pesos from stupid western men. She felt empowered that she could extract money from men, but other than pay for a few meals she got nothing from me. For many of these women it is their JOB, a full time Job to separate men from their money which is why I always ask what their work is. For her it was all about being seen with things that were given to her. She was not even that bright obviously.

PP.[/QUOTE]It's always amazed me how quickly the busy girls can accumulate and then burn through cash. I've seen many girls dripping with jewellery, designer clothes etc only to be flat broke within a week or two of a lost benefactor or when age catches up and the younger girls take over.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2520967]It's always amazed me how quickly the busy girls can accumulate and then burn through cash. I've seen many girls dripping with jewellery, designer clothes etc only to be flat broke within a week or two of a lost benefactor or when age catches up and the younger girls take over.[/QUOTE]It's not just a Pinay trait of bad planning but a lot of women working in this industry from all across Asia are similar. I was seeing a young Japanese lady in Japan a few years ago who was an escort. Very good looking and was making top dollar from her clients. She had such folks as top business executives and foreigners who would talk to her and give her tips on what to do with her money. I was still on her "off work side" of life and able to get a visit now and then for free and told her she needed to take the info she gets from them and make stock investments. What did she do? Waste it on plastic surgery from boob job, lips and cheeks (made her look like the Joker with that smile) and leg extensions and very high end clothes and shoes.

Years later, saw her walking the streets in the town we first met and she was looking worn. Long story short, the high life came with a cost in liver disease from all of the drinking, without makeup those plastic surgeries looked horrible, and of course I got the "I should have listened to you" and "when I think of having a family I want it to be with you. " By that time I had moved on. So sad to see that happen.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2520967]It's always amazed me how quickly the busy girls can accumulate and then burn through cash. I've seen many girls dripping with jewellery, designer clothes etc only to be flat broke within a week or two of a lost benefactor or when age catches up and the younger girls take over.[/QUOTE]I know some pretty girls in Angeles ruin their life. One very pretty girl was offered marriage to USA guy. I told her to marry but she declined. Fast forward few years she has no money, couple of kids with locals and could not even get barfines.

Likewise few other girls thought they will be in high demand with never ending money flow only to see it become parched desert.

Very few invested in property, house and saved and retired in the province.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2521019]Years later, saw her walking the streets in the town we first met and she was looking worn. Long story short, the high life came with a cost in liver disease from all of the drinking...[/QUOTE]There are crazy, burnt out, alcohol and shabu fiends living on the beach in a couple of towns I frequent. Without exception the older girls all say that these were once the prettiest girls in town, constantly with the highest roller customers.

Unfortunately, it's a common story.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2521019]Waste it on plastic surgery from boob job, lips and cheeks (made her look like the Joker with that smile) and leg extensions and very high end clothes and shoes.[/QUOTE]What are leg extensions?

I take it this is not the gym exercise.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2521141]What are leg extensions?

I take it this is not the gym exercise.[/QUOTE]No nor going to gym at all. She was a short lady and had the typical Japanese woman bowed legs. So she went to a doctor and had some type of extensions put in her legs to uncurve them and lengthen just a little. Not an easy process and she was laid up for some time but she figured it was worth it (at the time).

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2521019]What did she do? Waste it on plastic surgery from boob job, lips and cheeks (made her look like the Joker with that smile) and leg extensions and very high end clothes and shoes.
[/QUOTE]Had a similar with a euro girl I met last year. She told me a story of how she had been given a loan to make an investment. Investment opportunity fell through and rather than repay the loan she got a boob job.

Her boobs were amazing.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2520967]It's always amazed me how quickly the busy girls can accumulate and then burn through cash. I've seen many girls dripping with jewellery, designer clothes etc only to be flat broke within a week or two of a lost benefactor or when age catches up and the younger girls take over.[/QUOTE]Do not waste your money trying to finance Pinay hookers out of poverty. Instead, buy yourself a penile implant. Your marshmallow will thank you for it, unlike the Pinay hookers.

When you are cruising the dating sites and see photos of girls in bikinis at the beach or at a resort or fully clothed in a hotel room, then they have obviously been with another foreign monger. 100% guaranteed. The vast majority of girls on dating sites are just too poor to go anywhere on vacation or to stay in a hotel, unless a monger is paying the bill. If questioned, they will say they went on vacation with their family and have never met a monger before. When they can't afford 200 peso for phone load, they are not paying 7,000 peso a night for a room at the Shangri La. Hahahaha.

All girls are chatting with numerous mongers simultaneously and all have received remittances from abroad at some stage. They know the WU pick up procedure better than most mongers. If they say that you're the only one they are chatting to, then that's a lie. Hahahaha.

The number 1 reason they are on dating sites is to extract small amounts of money from gullible mongers to cover daily living expenses. Rent, utility bills, phone load, sacks of rice or the fuckin' ubiquitous birthday party. They know that if they spin a sob story to 30 mongers a day, complete with crying emojis, at least one will feel sorry for them and send them 2,000 peso. That's more than they can earn in a week waiting tables or making widgets in a factory. It's just a numbers game and they can play it better than you.

The number 2 reason is to hook a fat whale who will take them abroad to RWML where the chick and her relatives can leach off said whale for the next 10 years. He will be depleted of all his assets. But they understand that this is a very, very remote possibility. Most go on dating sites at the insistence of their BFFs who have all apparently struck it rich. Hahaha.

It's your money and you're free to do whatever you want with it, but you will get zero return on any investment you make now. Pinays will not show you any gratitude and will not remember your good deed. It's just not in their genes. However, not contributing now does not diminish the possibility of fucking them in the future. Once you get to your hotel in Shitsville, send them a message and they will come and fuck BBFSCIP if they need cash. No need to start sending money now.

If you feel like throwing money away, it is more satisfying climbing to the top of the tallest bridge or building in your home city and dropping your crisp notes from there. At least a more worthy human might pick up the notes as they flutter to the ground.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2521998]When you are cruising the dating sites and see photos of girls in bikinis at the beach or at a resort or fully clothed in a hotel room, then they have obviously been with another foreign monger. 100% guaranteed. The vast majority of girls on dating sites are just too poor to go anywhere on vacation or to stay in a hotel, unless a monger is paying the bill. If questioned, they will say they went on vacation with their family and have never met a monger before. When they can't afford 200 peso for phone load, they are not paying 7,000 peso a night for a room at the Shangri La. Hahahaha.

All girls are chatting with numerous mongers simultaneously and all have received remittances from abroad at some stage. They know the WU pick up procedure better than most mongers. If they say that you're the only one they are chatting to, then that's a lie. Hahahaha.

The number 1 reason they are on dating sites is to extract small amounts of money from gullible mongers to cover daily living expenses. Rent, utility bills, phone load, sacks of rice or the fuckin' ubiquitous birthday party. They know that if they spin a sob story to 30 mongers a day, complete with crying emojis, at least one will feel sorry for them and send them 2,000 peso. That's more than they can earn in a week waiting tables or making widgets in a factory. It's just a numbers game and they can play it better than you.

The number 2 reason is to hook a fat whale who will take them abroad to RWML where the chick and her relatives can leach off said whale for the next 10 years. He will be depleted of all his assets. But they understand that this is a very, very remote possibility. Most go on dating sites at the insistence of their BFFs who have all apparently struck it rich. Hahaha.

It's your money and you're free to do whatever you want with it, but you will get zero return on any investment you make now. Pinays will not show you any gratitude and will not remember your good deed. It's just not in their genes. However, not contributing now does not diminish the possibility of fucking them in the future. Once you get to your hotel in Shitsville, send them a message and they will come and fuck BBFSCIP if they need cash. No need to start sending money now.

If you feel like throwing money away, it is more satisfying climbing to the top of the tallest bridge or building in your home city and dropping your crisp notes from there. At least a more worthy human might pick up the notes as they flutter to the ground.[/QUOTE]You're correct but I don't think you tell the full story. I think the lockdown has brought out many girls who don't fit the traditional mold of poor girl seeking a white whale. I've posted here before of the affect on models and promo girls who have seen their jobs and income disappear along with the 1500 p bar girls. I've come across several who spoke perfect English, could hold a honest conversation and who had travel snaps of packs of girls on holiday rather than a sole hooker on the beach. Numerous drop dead stunners have returned to mum in the province. I doubt there is a lot of model gigs in Bacolod. Most are smart enough to play the long game and look for ongoing sponsorship or a ring rather than 500 p of load.

While the hard core will be online litterally all day, several clearly have shit to do and will chat on and off throughout the day in 10 to 30 minute increments. This is easy to confirm though their WhatsApp activity.

You're right about it being a numbers game. 1 of 1000 sending 500 p every day is still a good income when the lookers get '000's of messages per day. Similarly everyone has a cousin in Sydney, Washington or Vancouver. I'm sure those cousins are talking up the promised land.

I've shown time and again that there is no animosity when arriving after not sending money. A bag of marshmallows in the hand is quickly swallowed.

I'm not sure that any work put in has no return. Like the girls, if a monger arrived with numbers and only some come to fruition, that's a benefit to him.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2521998]When you are cruising the dating sites and see photos of girls in bikinis at the beach or at a resort or fully clothed in a hotel room, then they have obviously been with another foreign monger. 100% guaranteed. The vast majority of girls on dating sites are just too poor to go anywhere on vacation or to stay in a hotel, unless a monger is paying the bill. If questioned, they will say they went on vacation with their family and have never met a monger before. When they can't afford 200 peso for phone load, they are not paying 7,000 peso a night for a room at the Shangri La. Hahahaha.

All girls are chatting with numerous mongers simultaneously and all have received remittances from abroad at some stage. They know the WU pick up procedure better than most mongers. If they say that you're the only one they are chatting to, then that's a lie. Hahahaha.

The number 1 reason they are on dating sites is to extract small amounts of money from gullible mongers to cover daily living expenses. Rent, utility bills, phone load, sacks of rice or the fuckin' ubiquitous birthday party. They know that if they spin a sob story to 30 mongers a day, complete with crying emojis, at least one will feel sorry for them and send them 2,000 peso. That's more than they can earn in a week waiting tables or making widgets in a factory. It's just a numbers game and they can play it better than you.

The number 2 reason is to hook a fat whale who will take them abroad to RWML where the chick and her relatives can leach off said whale for the next 10 years. He will be depleted of all his assets. But they understand that this is a very, very remote possibility. Most go on dating sites at the insistence of their BFFs who have all apparently struck it rich. Hahaha.

It's your money and you're free to do whatever you want with it, but you will get zero return on any investment you make now. Pinays will not show you any gratitude and will not remember your good deed. It's just not in their genes. However, not contributing now does not diminish the possibility of fucking them in the future. Once you get to your hotel in Shitsville, send them a message and they will come and fuck BBFSCIP if they need cash. No need to start sending money now.

If you feel like throwing money away, it is more satisfying climbing to the top of the tallest bridge or building in your home city and dropping your crisp notes from there. At least a more worthy human might pick up the notes as they flutter to the ground.[/QUOTE]You are spot on in your assessment! I tend to agree with 95% of what you say, but there may be a small sliver of some that are 40% honest and willing to work with someone. But you are 100% correct on the hotel / vacation piece. I did meet one who was supposedly an office worker but was there chatting for social reasons, but if you kept talking with her the "inner" hustler would eventually come out.

In the end, it's all the same. If you aren't doing it online with them, even when you make a trip there you are only there for a week out of 365 days a year. So they are going to be doing something while you are not there or even while you are there and you call yourself hitting a side piece while they are doing the same thing.

I'm looking for cities that falls under these conditions or close to them: A city where it would be possible to live on or close to the beach and enjoy that aspect of living in the Philippines. Also close to somewhat of a major city with at least one decent mall that would allow for shopping, ATM's and the like. Also enough public transportation be it trikes or jeepneys. Without an over abundance of traffic and also close to an airport that would make it easy to connect to flights going outside the country. I'd love to wake up and be able to walk out to the beach with my coffee but still be close enough to civilization to enjoy life. Its pretty obvious the larger cites have the women and the apartment living lifestyle with the malls and the traffic and the beaches can be reached in an hour or two drive.

Dumaguete has many of these but heavy traffic and poor beaches. Panglao Island seems to have everything but the mall.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522187]I'm looking for cities that falls under these conditions or close to them: [/QUOTE]Mactan, Lapu, Batangas, Davao, Surigao??

[QUOTE=Goferring;2522292]Mactan, Lapu, Batangas, Davao, Surigao??[/QUOTE]Traffic in Mactan and Lapu is terrible. Cebu traffic has got much worse in the intervening years. Surigao I don't think has a decent mall (if any).

But I like Cebu as has all you need plus beaches can be driven to not walked to. If you like Cebu area try Danao, Bogo, Carmen as the latter has a good marina and maybe find a boar to live on instead. Just the mall is 45 ins away and driving from Carmen to Ayala can be frustrating. Depends what is more important (beach or mall or semi city living).

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2522092]You are spot on in your assessment! I tend to agree with 95% of what you say, but there may be a small sliver of some that are 40% honest and willing to work with someone. But you are 100% correct on the hotel / vacation piece. I did meet one who was supposedly an office worker but was there chatting for social reasons, but if you kept talking with her the "inner" hustler would eventually come out.

In the end, it's all the same. If you aren't doing it online with them, even when you make a trip there you are only there for a week out of 365 days a year. So they are going to be doing something while you are not there or even while you are there and you call yourself hitting a side piece while they are doing the same thing.[/QUOTE]Everyone here has some sort of side hassle going.

Shortly after I landed here we had a reunion of many of the guys I had worked with before. Two of them tried a side hustle on me. These are guys that I worked with for years and spent many hours in bunkers sitting beside them.

The grinding poverty, lack of any social safety net other than family means they are all looking for some security through a side hustle because they cannot be assured that they will make it even those with a professional background. (engineers not working girls LOL).

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2522296]Everyone here has some sort of side hassle going.

Shortly after I landed here we had a reunion of many of the guys I had worked with before. Two of them tried a side hustle on me. These are guys that I worked with for years and spent many hours in bunkers sitting beside them.

The grinding poverty, lack of any social safety net other than family means they are all looking for some security through a side hustle because they cannot be assured that they will make it even those with a professional background. (engineers not working girls LOL).[/QUOTE]Side hustle? Amway? Scamway?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522187]I'm looking for cities that falls under these conditions or close to them: A city where it would be possible to live on or close to the beach and enjoy that aspect of living in the Philippines. Also close to somewhat of a major city with at least one decent mall that would allow for shopping, ATM's and the like. Also enough public transportation be it trikes or jeepneys. Without an over abundance of traffic and also close to an airport that would make it easy to connect to flights going outside the country. I'd love to wake up and be able to walk out to the beach with my coffee but still be close enough to civilization to enjoy life. Its pretty obvious the larger cites have the women and the apartment living lifestyle with the malls and the traffic and the beaches can be reached in an hour or two drive.

Dumaguete has many of these but heavy traffic and poor beaches. Panglao Island seems to have everything but the mall.[/QUOTE]As a foreigner you would want to live close to a city if you continue the hobby of mongering. Do not want nosy neighbors which will happen if you live outside in the country. Also you do not want to be a target because of Philippine mindset of all foreigners are rich.

Philippines is group of islands and beaches are everywhere. You are better off living in an apartment with security rather than single house. Also being around cities will give you opportunity to catch a plane faster.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2522292]Mactan, Lapu, Batangas, Davao, Surigao??[/QUOTE]I was thinking of Davao but was warned not to go there by a Filipino, said its safe but foreigners do get targeted even there. Also saw a youtube channel on Cagayan de Oro but that falls under the same warning as Davaos. Surigao doesn't seem to have any major malls but might still work. I was looking at Batangas, ferry ride would put you right on some nice beaches in Puerto Galera and they have a decent mall. Only issue would be the ride to the Manila airport if one wanted to do some traveling. Oddly Roxas city might be an option, airport is right near the beach and some nice size malls with some cheap flights to the Manila airport.

Now it would be hard to just give up the hobby cold turkey but if I found the right one with looks, attitude and a small family who knows what might happen.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522187]I'm looking for cities that falls under these conditions or close to them: A city where it would be possible to live on or close to the beach and enjoy that aspect of living in the Philippines. Also close to somewhat of a major city with at least one decent mall that would allow for shopping, ATM's and the like. Also enough public transportation be it trikes or jeepneys. Without an over abundance of traffic and also close to an airport that would make it easy to connect to flights going outside the country. I'd love to wake up and be able to walk out to the beach with my coffee but still be close enough to civilization to enjoy life. Its pretty obvious the larger cites have the women and the apartment living lifestyle with the malls and the traffic and the beaches can be reached in an hour or two drive.

Dumaguete has many of these but heavy traffic and poor beaches. Panglao Island seems to have everything but the mall.[/QUOTE]I remember reading once that Panglao Island had issues with terrorists (kidnappings). It was about 3 years ago, but terrorist attacks are infrequent in the Philippines so (paradoxically) a three year interval would not make me feel comfortable.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2522294]Traffic in Mactan and Lapu is terrible. Cebu traffic has got much worse in the intervening years....[/QUOTE]Fair call. I guess traffic never crossed my radar as I always stay walking distance to whatever I want to see and do.

There is a lot to be said for paying a little extra for location. I've found ground transport a PITA everywhere in PI.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522575]I was thinking of Davao but was warned not to go there by a Filipino, said its safe but foreigners do get targeted even there. Also saw a youtube channel on Cagayan de Oro but that falls under the same warning as Davaos. Surigao doesn't seem to have any major malls but might still work. I was looking at Batangas, ferry ride would put you right on some nice beaches in Puerto Galera and they have a decent mall. Only issue would be the ride to the Manila airport if one wanted to do some traveling. Oddly Roxas city might be an option, airport is right near the beach and some nice size malls with some cheap flights to the Manila airport.

Now it would be hard to just give up the hobby cold turkey but if I found the right one with looks, attitude and a small family who knows what might happen.[/QUOTE]Having lived in Davao for almost 20 years, I would urge you to disregard whatever you were told, as it's pretty much nonsense. I encourage you to come here yourself, make your own assessment and then determine if it meets your criteria. In all the years I've spent here, I've felt totally safe in being out at all hours and in any area of the city. I would say much the same about CDO as I have friends who live there quite happily and I've visited the city often.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2522667]Having lived in Davao for almost 20 years, I would urge you to disregard whatever you were told, as it's pretty much nonsense. I encourage you to come here yourself, make your own assessment and then determine if it meets your criteria. In all the years I've spent here, I've felt totally safe in being out at all hours and in any area of the city. I would say much the same about CDO as I have friends who live there quite happily and I've visited the city often.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE. Get with the program. 😁.

Davao is incredibly unsafe with foreigner abductions and beheadings a common occurance. Luckily the girls are so ugly that it's not a great loss to avoid the place altogether.

If we maintain this story, visitor numbers will remain low and the girls welcoming. 😊.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2521655]Had a similar with a euro girl I met last year. She told me a story of how she had been given a loan to make an investment. Investment opportunity fell through and rather than repay the loan she got a boob job.

Her boobs were amazing.[/QUOTE]What size were they?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2522600]Fair call. I guess traffic never crossed my radar as I always stay walking distance to whatever I want to see and do.

There is a lot to be said for paying a little extra for location. I've found ground transport a PITA everywhere in PI.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I'm considering this as well, find a place that has everything you need within walking distance or a short cab ride. What you pay extra in location you save on transportation costs in the long run.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2522667]Having lived in Davao for almost 20 years, I would urge you to disregard whatever you were told, as it's pretty much nonsense. I encourage you to come here yourself, make your own assessment and then determine if it meets your criteria. In all the years I've spent here, I've felt totally safe in being out at all hours and in any area of the city. I would say much the same about CDO as I have friends who live there quite happily and I've visited the city often.

GE.[/QUOTE]Point taken. Just repeating what I was told although she didn't mention beheadings but that's just a side hobby of Goferring. There is truth that some people can blend into crowds better than others. Shorter people with dark skin can blend in much better than tall guys with white skin. Add in all of the fat xpats to that number as well.

On another topic I saw a youtube video where the filipino stated even if you are not at fault in a fatality while driving you must make amends to the family of the person killed in said accident. True?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522768]I'm considering this as well, find a place that has everything you need within walking distance or a short cab ride. What you pay extra in location you save on transportation costs in the long run.[/QUOTE]For this purpose I have always like Cebu and Ayala Mall. There is a choice of hotel prices to suit most mongers. The Mall is easy walking distance and has a wide range of restaurants. The adjacent jeepney station means it is easy for girls to arrive at the mall.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2521725]Do not waste your money trying to finance Pinay hookers out of poverty. Instead, buy yourself a penile implant. Your marshmallow will thank you for it, unlike the Pinay hookers.[/QUOTE]Yes, penile implants have become quite the rage with elderly mongers still yearning for a good time. I think a Urologist who is willing to work on volume discounts should offer an ISG plan. He would make a killing!

[QUOTE=Breadman;2522768]
Point taken. Just repeating what I was told although she didn't mention beheadings but that's just a side hobby of Goferring....

On another topic I saw a youtube video where the filipino stated even if you are not at fault in a fatality while driving you must make amends to the family of the person killed in said accident. True?[/QUOTE]Huuh? You did notice my smiley faces?? LOL.

If you're driving and there is an accident with a local it's going to be your fault pretty much anywhere in Asia. Especially so if the other party is poor.

Reparations to the deceased family is applicable to westerners or pinoy alike. The only difference is the number of zeros.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2522966]For this purpose I have always like Cebu and Ayala Mall. There is a choice of hotel prices to suit most mongers. The Mall is easy walking distance and has a wide range of restaurants. The adjacent jeepney station means it is easy for girls to arrive at the mall.[/QUOTE]Many Airbnb and condos to suit all types and budgets there too. A painful drive to local beaches but an easy weekend away trip to Moalboal, Alona etc.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2523020]If you're driving and there is an accident with a local it's going to be your fault pretty much anywhere in Asia. Especially so if the other party is poor.[/QUOTE]I was a passenger in a car which got pulled over for a traffic infringement in AC and as they police had seen the guy had a paying westerner pax the expectation was that I would be paying the drivers fine. I picked up my bag, payed the guy his P250 fare from DMIA and walked over to a jeepney. I assume this fine was a lot less then.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2523448]I was a passenger in a car which got pulled over for a traffic infringement in AC and as they police had seen the guy had a paying westerner pax the expectation was that I would be paying the drivers fine. I picked up my bag, payed the guy his P250 fare from DMIA and walked over to a jeepney. I assume this fine was a lot less then.[/QUOTE]I just sit there and look stupid. I'm good at that. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2523624]I just sit there and look stupid. I'm good at that..[/QUOTE]I call that doing my dumb white guy act. Once had a group of Indian nationals in stitches demonstrating how I avoided bribes at the airport. LOL.

I have been chatting with a college educated 24 yr old Cebu girl for a few months now. Just trying to keep my marshmallow interested until such time I can be there. Yesterday I mentioned that Feb 11 I will be vaccinated. Her response back was " vaccinated for what dear? ". I do enjoy their simple lifestyle but sometimes I wonder. In the same vein a few years back I was telling a chatmate how hot the sun was on a particular day at my house. She said the sun they have in Davao is much hotter. I told her its the same sun for all the world. She really did not believe me.

I have been visiting the Philippines for the past 15 years, and I kept a strict buffet only policy. All you can eat but never take-out, Filipinas perform best in their own land, and I seen dozens of sad stories of Filipinas come to US and they gain weight and become lazy. Many Filipina have very kind and soft hard towards their family back home and they themselves become ATM machines.

Enjoy the buffet my friends, and remember to never takeout.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2525020]I have been chatting with a college educated 24 yr old Cebu girl for a few months now. Just trying to keep my marshmallow interested until such time I can be there. Yesterday I mentioned that Feb 11 I will be vaccinated. Her response back was " vaccinated for what dear? ". I do enjoy their simple lifestyle but sometimes I wonder. In the same vein a few years back I was telling a chatmate how hot the sun was on a particular day at my house. She said the sun they have in Davao is much hotter. I told her its the same sun for all the world. She really did not believe me.[/QUOTE]She is right. There are many different suns, too numerous to count. I hate to break it to you but all those women are geniuses with post graduate degrees from the world's leading universities. It is a running joke that has got out of hand. We act stupid as a joke against the white marshmallows, who cannot FK to save yourselves. The Japanese and Koreans are in on it. I am a trike driving godfather. I take a percentage of all the loot you send and I send some of it to a NYNY hottie who has a sick buffalo and a bad case of herpes.

Your generous donations keep Davao as the number one wine destination in the world. Those crates of wine and caviar cost big bucks and top Italian and French fashions don't come cheap either. Keep the money coming. Keep believing there is one one sun and that it shines out of your ass. And keep sending the dough.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2525020]I have been chatting with a college educated 24 yr old Cebu girl for a few months now. Just trying to keep my marshmallow interested until such time I can be there. Yesterday I mentioned that Feb 11 I will be vaccinated. Her response back was " vaccinated for what dear? ". I do enjoy their simple lifestyle but sometimes I wonder. In the same vein a few years back I was telling a chatmate how hot the sun was on a particular day at my house. She said the sun they have in Davao is much hotter. I told her its the same sun for all the world. She really did not believe me.[/QUOTE]There is no need to make fun of Philippine girl intelligence. All they require is enough intelligence to navigate their life considering quality of their education. Besides English is an alien language despite their education in English. They prefer their local language if you ever wondered why the use it when they talk to their own people without a word of English thrown in.

We do not go to Philippines to marvel at their intelligence. We are lucky that we get them for sex. Little compassion will go a long way. If they do not get your wit just simply explain if you care to otherwise leave it alone.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2525020]I have been chatting with a college educated 24 yr old Cebu girl for a few months now. Just trying to keep my marshmallow interested until such time I can be there. Yesterday I mentioned that Feb 11 I will be vaccinated. Her response back was " vaccinated for what dear? ". I do enjoy their simple lifestyle but sometimes I wonder. In the same vein a few years back I was telling a chatmate how hot the sun was on a particular day at my house. She said the sun they have in Davao is much hotter. I told her its the same sun for all the world. She really did not believe me.[/QUOTE]I have found when westerners develop marshmallows that they tend to stiffen their marshmallow brains with superiority over pinays. What will you be getting vaccinated for on February 11? BTW, the sun is hotter closer to the equator. I will guess that Davao is closer to the equator than your house.

Take you lunch sir.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;2525020]I have been chatting with a college educated 24 yr old Cebu girl for a few months now. Just trying to keep my marshmallow interested until such time I can be there. Yesterday I mentioned that Feb 11 I will be vaccinated. Her response back was " vaccinated for what dear? ". I do enjoy their simple lifestyle but sometimes I wonder. In the same vein a few years back I was telling a chatmate how hot the sun was on a particular day at my house. She said the sun they have in Davao is much hotter. I told her its the same sun for all the world. She really did not believe me.[/QUOTE]I was in London and my boy told me had to get his money out of his boot. I was watching for him to take his shoe off, but he opened the back of his car and got his wallet out of his bag.

By sun I think she meant temperature. She probably told her friends about this foreign guy she has been chatting with that is a real dumbass for thinking the entire world has the same temperature. Helps to learn different cultures' way of using words in particular languages when you travel or deal with people across cultures.

And how the hell would she know what you were going to get vaccinated for? I always tell chicks to just ask instead of trying to guess at shit assuming you know and be wrong.

On facebook I recently caught up with a Brazilian chick I used to mess with years ago. I told her to hit me on whatsapp. After 2 weeks nothing. I kept sending her messages on facebook and she did not answer. Finally last night she answered. She had wrongly assumed that the facebook cover picture I have was my wife and kids when it is my daughter and grandkids so she was not responding.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2525138]There is no need to make fun of Philippine girl intelligence....[/QUOTE]Have a look at which way the cash flows then tell me who the "dumb" one is. Lol

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2520275]A. A Cebu city law student 25, certainly knows her laws and intensely interesting. Would be worthwhile meeting her but it would take a couple of meets to get her into bed, although she is a flirt.

B. Makati degree qualified therapist 24. Single, no kids, living alone, works fulltime.

C. Angeles city 22 year old hottie. Single, no kids, undamaged body. Loves sending videos of her smooth pussy..[/QUOTE]I have managed to stay in contact with 1 of these 3.

The 22 yo was good fun for a while but the constant unmet demands for more money were not in the spirit of what I was seeking. She would be fun on the ground but not for long distance.

The therapist decided to dump me as I was not serious BF material. She's looking for a serious investor to help in her poorly directed business interests.

That leaves me with the law student. Genuinely interesting lady and motivated in the right ways. A year is a long to keep up a long distance friendship so maybe I will never get to consummate our friendship. She must feel something has changed. First two weeks no pics or video chats. Now last few morning when I wake up I find a waiting message with a pic of her in her nigtware.

Lets see those pics! LOL.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2525618]I have managed to stay in contact with 1 of these 3.

The 22 yo was good fun for a while but the constant unmet demands for more money were not in the spirit of what I was seeking. She would be fun on the ground but not for long distance.

The therapist decided to dump me as I was not serious BF material. She's looking for a serious investor to help in her poorly directed business interests.

That leaves me with the law student. Genuinely interesting lady and motivated in the right ways. A year is a long to keep up a long distance friendship so maybe I will never get to consummate our friendship. She must feel something has changed. First two weeks no pics or video chats. Now last few morning when I wake up I find a waiting message with a pic of her in her nigtware.[/QUOTE]

Why do you want to see pictures of people you will never meet and who are not puppies for sale in a window? I know there has been a run on toilet paper but surely your baby oil supplies are holding out.

Those enough old enough to vote want to have sex with women, not admire the jugs of jungle hookers who have had several litters of children. Here, in the civilized world (Europe), there are severe shortages of hookers due to Covid. I am having planes cancelled by the day on me and I do not know when I can fly again as it seems to be restrictions on top of restriction.

Dutch police are arresting and beating up not (off on) grannies. Germany is beginning to put dissidents into camps like they did 80 years ago when you could get an unaided erection.

You should have more respect for Pinay hookers. They are not an abstraction, except to the baby oil lot. They are sweet, educated ladies who like TV cartoons and fine wines with chicken adobo. I am not interested in looking at pictures. I want to turn them into human kebabs on my rock hard penis that can penetrate concrete.

The world is facing a disaster as mongers die from lack of hairy holes. Give up the baby oil and the dog meat. (Or maybe not as dogs are an odd affectation in the civilised world). Tell us how our penises can return to the Pinay pussy spawning grounds.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2525800]Lets see those pics! LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2525829]Why do you want to see pictures of people you will never meet and who are not puppies for sale in a window? I know there has been a run on toilet paper but surely your baby oil supplies are holding out....[/QUOTE]Go easy on them PM.

I've been the card carrying champion of advising one and all to make contact online only when they are sitting in their makati love nest and not a minute before arrival. Yet, what have I been doing most days? Chatting to Nigerian warlords and 40 yo baklas on the chance that 0. 1% of them will indeed turn out to be that horny 19 yo model that desperately wants to suck my marshmallow into a carrot. And then only after the 12 to 24 months forced hibernation period.

Do as I say children, not as I do.

Enjoy. G.

Just an update on the chick I've been chatting to in Iligan City for the past three months. I was really happy that this chick has a proper job, is independent and seems to have her head screwed on right, until today, that is. In typical Filipina manner, she finally hit me up for money! I was always wondering why she hadn't asked me yet, and then it happened. They will always get you. There is no way the monger can escape. Hahahaha. Seems like some sort of medical issue with her rib, and she needs to pass the medical for her health card or something to keep her job blah blah blah. Why are all Flipinas doomed to a life of misery? I was thinking about sending her $100 for one nano-second, but then I thought what would Mr E. Do? Would he fire up his lap top and send 5,000 peso straight to Western Union? What would the wily Chocha Monger do? Would he instruct his bank in Detroit to wire over 10,000 peso immediately to the Bank of Philippines in Iligan City to help out a chick he'the never met before? Hahahahaha. So that's what I did. Nothing. Now once we refuse to send money, the genuine love that Pinays have for our marshmallows suddenly evaporates and we are no longer so hansum. Now I'm certainly not in danger of getting my head chopped off by the Muslim terrorists in Marawi when I go searching for a root.

Footnote: I tried to get into her IG locked account, but she wouldn't give me permission. Red flag one. Her bio includes a Korean flag on it and some Chinese writing. Red flag two. When I asked about the Korean flag, she said she just loves everything Korean. Apparently the Chinese text is just something she used for no reason. Yeah, I'm sure she loves everything Korean. Especially three-inch Korean flavoured marshmallow. Hahahahahahaha. Just about every single girl on those dating apps has some unsavoury history. Kinda like us mongers I suppose hahahaha.

Back in the day, some guy called Adams gave Eve, a Pinay, his spare rib. It caused a lot of problems.

Anyone who has travelled around flea pits like SE Asia know many of these folk live at the chasm's edge. As medical bills can bankrupt Americans, why not Pinays too?

If you feel free to "sow your wild oats" IE put your dick into everything with a pulse, why should she put all her eggs in your basket? K pop is very popular and it is possible she likes K pop, K fashion and kim chee. Why not?

China? Who knows?

I have a hunch this lady will be the love of your life and you will live happily ever after if you save her career with some small help. You have thrown paradise away because of your base passions and your tight purse. Shame on you.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2526043]Just an update on the chick I've been chatting to in Iligan City for the past three months. I was really happy that this chick has a proper job, is independent and seems to have her head screwed on right, until today, that is. In typical Filipina manner, she finally hit me up for money! I was always wondering why she hadn't asked me yet, and then it happened. They will always get you. There is no way the monger can escape. Hahahaha. Seems like some sort of medical issue with her rib, and she needs to pass the medical for her health card or something to keep her job blah blah blah. Why are all Flipinas doomed to a life of misery? I was thinking about sending her $100 for one nano-second, but then I thought what would Mr E. Do? Would he fire up his lap top and send 5,000 peso straight to Western Union? What would the wily Chocha Monger do? Would he instruct his bank in Detroit to wire over 10,000 peso immediately to the Bank of Philippines in Iligan City to help out a chick he'the never met before? Hahahahaha. So that's what I did. Nothing. Now once we refuse to send money, the genuine love that Pinays have for our marshmallows suddenly evaporates and we are no longer so hansum. Now I'm certainly not in danger of getting my head chopped off by the Muslim terrorists in Marawi when I go searching for a root..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2526043]So that's what I did. Nothing. Now once we refuse to send money, the genuine love that Pinays have for our marshmallows suddenly evaporates and we are no longer so hansum. [/QUOTE]Don't worry. As crazy as pinas are they don't hold a grudge. You've actually just saved your self a year or two of meaningless chats and back pain cash requests because when you do arrive and are sitting across from her at JollieBee all will be forgotten and she will soon be giving you the best type of oral examination.

Just don't loose her contact details or chat history.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2526043]Just an update on the chick I've been chatting to in Iligan City for the past three months. I was really happy that this chick has a proper job, is independent and seems to have her head screwed on right, until today, that is. In typical Filipina manner, she finally hit me up for money! I was always wondering why she hadn't asked me yet, and then it happened. They will always get you. There is no way the monger can escape. Hahahaha. Seems like some sort of medical issue with her rib, and she needs to pass the medical for her health card or something to keep her job blah blah blah. Why are all Flipinas doomed to a life of misery? I was thinking about sending her $100 for one nano-second, but then I thought what would Mr E. Do? Would he fire up his lap top and send 5,000 peso straight to Western Union? What would the wily Chocha Monger do? Would he instruct his bank in Detroit to wire over 10,000 peso immediately to the Bank of Philippines in Iligan City to help out a chick he'the never met before? Hahahahaha. So that's what I did. Nothing. Now once we refuse to send money, the genuine love that Pinays have for our marshmallows suddenly evaporates and we are no longer so hansum. Now I'm certainly not in danger of getting my head chopped off by the Muslim terrorists in Marawi when I go searching for a root.

Footnote: I tried to get into her IG locked account, but she wouldn't give me permission. Red flag one. Her bio includes a Korean flag on it and some Chinese writing. Red flag two. When I asked about the Korean flag, she said she just loves everything Korean. Apparently the Chinese text is just something she used for no reason. Yeah, I'm sure she loves everything Korean. Especially three-inch Korean flavoured marshmallow. Hahahahahahaha. Just about every single girl on those dating apps has some unsavoury history. Kinda like us mongers I suppose hahahaha.[/QUOTE]Come now, Engine Driver! The lady clearly told you that she loves the beauty and turgidity of Korean cocks. "Up to you" she says, if you want to pay for her back rib that was fractured during hard doggy with a Korean monger. Hahaha! Money. Your money is what makes those foxy Pinays horny for a root with a foreign Quasimodo. When your money was not forthcoming, she quickly lost that loving feeling. The game was up when you requested access to her IG and she refused. She couldn't have you peeking at those naughty pics with her Korean and Chinese mongers. At least you were not duped into sending her $200 USD only to brag that it was worth it to chat such a hot babe. Hahaha!

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2526219]Come now, Engine Driver! The lady clearly told you that she loves the beauty and turgidity of Korean cocks. "Up to you" she says, if you want to pay for her back rib that was fractured during hard doggy with a Korean monger. Hahaha! Money. Your money is what makes those foxy Pinays horny for a root with a foreign Quasimodo. When your money was not forthcoming, she quickly lost that loving feeling. The game was up when you requested access to her IG and she refused. She couldn't have you peeking at those naughty pics with her Korean and Chinese mongers. At least you were not duped into sending her $200 USD only to brag that it was worth it to chat such a hot babe. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Hey ED! Why don't you learn Korean? Anyeong haseo? Riga dayo? The Illiad and the Hatashi!

[QUOTE=DCups;2529040]Hey ED! Why don't you learn Korean? Anyeong haseo? Riga dayo? The Illiad and the Hatashi![/QUOTE]Hahah. I know several selfprofessed good girls that speak very good Korean and Mandarin. I'm guessing it came from watching all those Kpop songs and Kungfu movies at 3,000 p a session. 😁.

Does anyone have any views on the different types of characteristics as you move around the various locations and districts of The Philippines?

I really don't have a clue about the geography of the place, but I know that ladies from Cebu refer to themselves as Cebuanans (spelling?) and Filipinas distinguish themselves from each other.

What are the distinguishing characteristics? Especially if some are more disposed to being sexually open and candid.

I know you cannot generalise, but sometimes stereotypes give you a cue for how to respond to the chat and open up the discussions.

Cheers SW.

[QUOTE=SteveW;2529079]Does anyone have any views on the different types of characteristics as you move around the various locations and districts of The Philippines?

I really don't have a clue about the geography of the place, but I know that ladies from Cebu refer to themselves as Cebuanans (spelling?) and Filipinas distinguish themselves from each other.

What are the distinguishing characteristics? Especially if some are more disposed to being sexually open and candid.

I know you cannot generalise, but sometimes stereotypes give you a cue for how to respond to the chat and open up the discussions.

Cheers SW.[/QUOTE]Broadly speaking:

Manila: mixing pot of all the provinces. Many broadminded and / or hardened girls. Many or even most that mongers will come across have had exposure to foreigners before. The prettiest working girls will follow the money and end up here.

Cebu: Online mongering capital of the Philippines. Many broadminded girls. Everything from good girls there to study to some of the filthiest hoes on the planet. Some lookers but less stunners than Manila. The further away from Cebu City the more traditional. Note that "Cebu" describes both the City and the very large province. "I'm from Cebu" could mean 5 minutes from the center of town to a 9 hour drive away.

Luzon and Lyete:. Home of the 80 lb spinners. Some come with provincial attitudes of do what ever their boyfriend asks so "no" is not in their vocab. Maybe not the most proactive nor energetic but often up for absolutely anything asked of them.

Mindanao: be aware of where is safe and not safe to visit. There are some real dangers in some areas. These areas are also the hub of online dating scams. However some areas are very safe to visit despite doomsayers. Girls are generally taller and buxom. Many true stunners. Attitudes are more provincial and many may be reluctant to be seen with a foreigner in their home town.

Beach towns: expect a few girls milling around hoping to make a few bucks off passing tourists. Some diamonds in the rough but just as many sharks preying on guys only in town for a day or two.

Enjoy. G.

Luzon and Lyete: Home of the 80 lb spinners. Some come with provincial attitudes of do what ever their boyfriend asks so "no" is not in their vocab. Maybe not the most proactive nor energetic but often up for absolutely anything asked of them.

I haven't made it the Luzon or Lyete yet. Also haven't given a "back door entry" in Phil yet. Sounds like I might need to get here on the next trip.

[QUOTE=George03;2529284]

I haven't made it the Luzon or Lyete yet. Also haven't given a "back door entry" in Phil yet. Sounds like I might need to get here on the next trip.[/QUOTE]I've created a monster. 😁.

In a serious note, don't take my post as a recommendation to ride roughshot over the girls limits and wishes. Their vengeance will be swift and severe. I've always had better service from being respectful than demanding.

Any fantasy you can imagine is available in PI just not from every girl. They too have their individual likes and dislikes. For special requests and deal breakers, just discuss them before she leaves the bar or home. That saves disappoint for all parties.

Enjoy. G.

Hi everyone!

I thought I'd start to compile a newbie's top 10 experiences when chatting to Filipinas on DIA:

1. No point giving out your chat number / contact details, they will ask you to add them. I think that's a combination of they want the guy to make the first move plus they don't know how to add a contact in WhatsApp! Anyway, just get their details and initiate.

2. When they share their chat details, they can be less than helpful. For example, they will simply say that their name is Marie Garcia on Messenger, which is next to useless as there are so many profiles with that name. Just be patient and get them to share their profile picture, it's infuriating but a necessary step.

3. More important than anything else, to them, is if you have eaten or not. It's not just that they are being sweet, they seem to be totally concerned if you haven't eaten. If you're looking for sympathy, you just need to say that you didn't have time for breakfast LOL!

4. Whatever their profile likes or dislikes, you can ignore them. For example, if you are older than their preference or not a god fearing chap, don't let that hold you back. Sometimes they write reams of likes and dislikes, all to no avail.

5. They all seem to play the shy-type at first, but it doesn't take them long (a day or two) to open up. Sometimes in the first few exchanges, they turn from being a complete wallflower into a woman on heat in no time. Just be careful though, before you dive in, whatever their pics show knock off a couple of points as their pics are either a younger slimmer version of themselves or heavily filtered.

6. They are more often than not single moms and will readily share pictures of their kids upfront, I guess as an implicit statement that she comes as a package. Don't be spooked if your first video call includes saying Hi to the kiddies.

7. They go weak at the knees if you are romantic and once that happens, it's just a small step to more intimate chats. So no need to hold back for too long.

8. You'll be called baby, darling and sir. You are free to do the same. These aren't so much terms of endearment, I think, but more that's their everyday language and they chat to so many guys it's a lot easier for them to manage Can you imagine the response you would get if you call a woman "baby" in the so-called progressive world LOL!

9. Marriage seems to be the top priority, which I don't get. Surely their own experiences demonstrate that this is just too high an expectation for DIA fellas. I always make it clear that it's friends, lovers and then let's see which doesn't seem to put them off. So just be straightforward with them.

10. Without exception, you'll be asked for load, tuition fees, medical bills, money for food, rent. Basically they will tap whatever they can from you. Don't be surprised if you discover that it's their birthday coming up. Gifting is a big part of your cultural obligation.

On the whole, without the physicality of being able to visit Phil, it can get a little tedious as they all seem to follow the same pattern. I guess the more sophisticated Filipinas are either not fishing in DIA nor interested in some Johnny foreigner. YMMV of course.

Before I get attacked by the culture police, I'd like to add that I have met Filipinas that are the complete package. Smart, fun and sexy. But just not on DIA.

It would be great to hear the experience of others and YMMV of course.

Happy chatting all!

Steve W,

This is an excellent list of observations, Steve W. All newbies should be so astute! I got kicked off DIA many moons ago for reasons unknown,. Probably something I said about lady boys. Been on Filipina Cupid since then and it's a similar modus operandi. About the only thing I can add is in city vs. Country girls the proclivities are even more pronounced. The shy, sweet province girls seems to be the best (however self- defined) and simpleness is their national sport (followed by beauty pageants, boxing and basketball) for better or worse. Yet they are not without ambition. Just no plan on how to achieve it except "marry up". It is a trade-off for the older monger who desires the arm candy without the equivalent brain power which is both a blessing and a curse. I met and dated quite a few Asian and Hispanic beauties over the last 18 years on both DIA and FC (also Dominican and Colombian Cupid). Yet my current beau I met by chance just walking down the side of the road in a small town in South Cebu. She doesn't even realize how beautiful and desirable she is. Her cuteness and 36 Cee tits on a small frame are the envy of most all lesser-endowed lasses but she is mostly unaware of that. She is quite naive on how to use them to please her man so it has become my life mission to teach her. People will criticize me for the age difference (46 years) but that is just jealousy times ten. Bang as many beauties as you can and enjoy the ride! If one "clicks" see where it goes! It is certainly the better option given the obesity and feminazism of Western whales. Cheers!

Agreed with Steve, good description on what happens through DIA.

But. After using it since many years, almost 6 I guess, never banned and never got any remark from admin, but here I got one.

Usually I say Hi, or she say Hi, and after 2 msgs, I ask are you on messenger, usual answer is yes. So need to ask which name, then which profile pic, etc. But normal.

Here, I did the same and I saw a big yellow message saying that it was a warning because I asked too quickly to switch to another chat tool, and if this was to happen often it could have an impact on my usage of DIA.

I guess the girl was also warned because she never came on messenger, she just accept me and never chatted.

So, now, that very different, I don't like chatting in DIA and if I can't ask quickly to switch on something else, would be an issue.

[QUOTE=SteveW;2530156]

10. Without exception, you'll be asked for load....[/QUOTE]I haven't followed up but expect there is some way for the girls to resell load or convert it to cash. You're correct: they all ask for load. For what ever reason they often get angry when told that I don't send cash saying they need load not cash. They definitely make a distinction.

I'm guessing in their mind a "good" girl needs load to talk to her boy friend where as a "bad" girl would spend all day online looking for strangers to send her cash.

[QUOTE=DCups;2530179]. About the only thing I can add is in city vs. Country girls the proclivities are even more pronounced. [/QUOTE]True. I've often found that the city girl may have more experience but the provincial girls are often willing to do ANYTHING if training is provided.

"No" simply isn't in their vocabulary and boundaries don't exist. City girls will start off knowing more but will be more headstrong when it comes to limits.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=SteveW;2530156]6. They are more often than not single moms and will readily share pictures of their kids upfront, I guess as an implicit statement that she comes as a package. Don't be spooked if your first video call includes saying Hi to the kiddies.[/QUOTE]Thanks Steve for the extensive list. Single no kids is definitely a minor proportion of the country but I think this target group is worth pursuing. The conversations are less pressured. Providing for kid (s) is not the only thought in their head.

I've been thinking about the optimal girl that I will want to meet on my first trip back. Over the years I think I have met and fucked 200+ Filipinas of many varieties and family situations. It is a feast!

For the past few weeks I've been getting enthralled by a 25 yo Cebu law student. Smart, articulate, chatty, no kids and no money probs. Mum and dad seem to foot the bill for a reasonable large house in a Cebu compound. Unlimited data plan and she eats three meals a day. And still weighing in at 50 kg.

Now I think back to a few of the others and the best travel buddies I have had have been all no kids.

Yes, I know single mom I will be staple for the next 30 years but it is still worth trying to snag the singles.

Brizlad.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530294]I haven't followed up but expect there is some way for the girls to resell load or convert it to cash. You're correct: they all ask for load. For what ever reason they often get angry when told that I don't send cash saying they need load not cash. They definitely make a distinction.

I'm guessing in their mind a "good" girl needs load to talk to her boy friend where as a "bad" girl would spend all day online looking for strangers to send her cash.[/QUOTE]Load is inexpensive to most of use (100-300 pesos) but they can sell part of that we give to friends for cash etc.

Some surf the net for all sorts of reasons G as they don't have access to a laptop etc so watch TV, films and chase men via the phone. Hence load is very important.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2530255]Agreed with Steve, good description on what happens through DIA.

But. After using it since many years, almost 6 I guess, never banned and never got any remark from admin, but here I got one.

Usually I say Hi, or she say Hi, and after 2 msgs, I ask are you on messenger, usual answer is yes. So need to ask which name, then which profile pic, etc. But normal.

Here, I did the same and I saw a big yellow message saying that it was a warning because I asked too quickly to switch to another chat tool, and if this was to happen often it could have an impact on my usage of DIA.

I guess the girl was also warned because she never came on messenger, she just accept me and never chatted.

So, now, that very different, I don't like chatting in DIA and if I can't ask quickly to switch on something else, would be an issue.[/QUOTE]Girls keep asking for gcash, but I think that is only for ph phones, right? Or can you send gcash from usa?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2529398]I've created a monster. 😁.

In a serious note, don't take my post as a recommendation to ride roughshot over the girls limits and wishes. Their vengeance will be swift and severe. I've always had better service from being respectful than demanding.

Any fantasy you can imagine is available in PI just not from every girl. They too have their individual likes and dislikes. For special requests and deal breakers, just discuss them before she leaves the bar or home. That saves disappoint for all parties.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]No, wouldn't do that. I may try to be persuasive, but wouldn't force myself on them. I try to be nice to the girls, It has worked for me so far. That being said, I wonder if getting "back door" is just a numbers game and you get lucky, or is there a prototype that the odds increase.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2530414]Load is inexpensive to most of use (100-300 pesos) but they can sell part of that we give to friends for cash etc.

Some surf the net for all sorts of reasons G as they don't have access to a laptop etc so watch TV, films and chase men via the phone. Hence load is very important.[/QUOTE]Thanks Roger. I think it was Globe that was talking about having their Sims store credit like a debit card and facilitate physical purchases and Seven 11 etc. Not sure if that progressed but it may be an option for them too.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2530384]
I've been thinking about the optimal girl that I will want to meet on my first trip back. Over the years I think I have met and fucked 200+ Filipinas of many varieties and family situations. It is a feast!

Brizlad.[/QUOTE]We've all got out preferences but the one commonality with all my "best" girls or nights out is that they all happened by happy accident, often unexpectedly and sadly often towards the end of a trip. 😁.

That's why I just casually head out now, never determined to have the best time of my life.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530583]Thanks Roger. I think it was Globe that was talking about having their Sims store credit like a debit card and facilitate physical purchases and Seven 11 etc. Not sure if that progressed but it may be an option for them too.[/QUOTE]One advantage of sending load is you can do it off the providers website using a credit card from anywhere. No hassle of money transfers. The only reason I like a money transfer is to get them to send me their photo ID, not that I have a long list of girls I send money to but it does help in finding all their social media accounts when you have their full name. It helped me track that one girl had just gotten married to another guy the week before!

One girl I was chatting a year ago now, 24 yo no kids, ostensibly said she was single. She had an amazing rack and unblemished body. She was the daughter of a barangay captain. After a while revealed that she was in fact married but that the husband had married her even though he was married to another Filipina. I was a bit skeptical but over the moth of chatting other the story did stack up. She sent me her real detail as well as that of the husband us foreigner national. She was going through the process of getting the marriage cancelled.

What would motivate a foreigner to bother fucking up so many lives?

Briz.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2530636]The only reason I like a money transfer is to get them to send me their photo ID, not that I have a long list of girls I send money to but it does help in finding all their social media accounts when you have their full name. [/QUOTE]Taking a moment out to be Captain Obvious, couldn't you just ask them their full name?... or even ask them to let you see their ID without sending money? I have tons of chicks' IDs in my phone, yet have not done one money transfer.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2530636]One advantage of sending load is you can do it off the providers website using a credit card from anywhere. No hassle of money transfers. The only reason I like a money transfer is to get them to send me their photo ID, not that I have a long list of girls I send money to but it does help in finding all their social media accounts when you have their full name. It helped me track that one girl had just gotten married to another guy the week before![/QUOTE]Thanks GD. The reason I don't know how the system works is that I never send cash, load or anything to girls regardless of if they are new or long time acquaintances. All of mine are well trained that I am generous while in town but there will be no random FB messages, chit chat or dying uncles while I'm back home.

I've posted a couple of times that while I normally don't even contact girls until I'm in town, these are exceptional circumstances so I am contacting new girls on the off chance that their numbers will still be valid when I can arrive. To date no funds have been sent and I'm not expecting too. A few girls have sent me nudes but as I don't cam, I haven't pushed for more. I see it (maybe foolishly) as ground work for a future visit.

Everyone has their different preferences, and that's ok, so I'm wondering what are experienced mongers getting for the TT'ed load or cash? Cam sessions? Bonus points for helping the girls out during times of need? Prepaid future services?

No judgement or hazing for sending the money. I'm just wondering what guys get in return?

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530667]No judgement or hazing for sending the money. I'm just wondering what guys get in return?

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]I will quickly send load, I use gcash and 50 p is a cheap way to test the waters. If she thanks me and chats for 3 days that the load lasts then OK, I will send more so we can keep chatting to see where it goes. If she gets upset and demands 500 p load so she can chat,. Goodbye.

I have 2 regulars that I have not been able to see for a while, they get a thousand or so a month, one got 5 k when she had to move. 2 K on the months of their birthdays. One got a old cell phone that cost me less than 300 p to send to her.

These are girls I actually care about, both would marry me in a heartbeat but I have convinced me I am not going to remarry and that that topic is of limits. I look at it as an investment in future fun as well as something for the past memories.

Otherwise I do not send money at all. I am a 200 p bus ride outside of Cebu city and will send 500 just before they come. Small enough that if I lose it no big worries, they get 1000 or 1500 for two or three days here and hat has to cover bus home.

I have been chatting with one, she is on Negros so not able to get here easily and she has not asked me for money. She is smoking hot, 35 no kids, bikini model quality (I have seen bikini pictures.).

Bikini model has at least one guy in USA that has been sending her 30 k for over 2 years. She has not said whet he gets for that but they have never met. I am sure he is not getting cam shows as she lives in an area with bad coverage, only cell phone data and it is spotty at best.

All I can think he will be getting is either short videos or still pictures, but for more than 2 years, some $15,000 worth? For that he could have come over once a year and fucked her and several others for a month.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2530737]SNIP but for more than 2 years, some $15,000 worth? For that he could have come over once a year and fucked her and several others for a month.[/QUOTE]1) If one of you fellas will send me $15 k USD, I will see how far I can get on that, with how many different ladies. Will post up a bunch of pics. Have cash (yours), will dally. And will post reports.

2) An abbreviated story, previously posted, from years past. A Manila regular (at the time, I referred to her as "The Dynamo", due to her un-assuage-able nawty energy). Mid-30's, tiny. Deeply horny and she became a provider. Was with her on / off for some years. She had two daughters, and for the first 2-3 years she rarely spoke about them. After a few years, one night after the ditty, while the other new gal that she'd brought for my 3-some joy had drifted off to sleep, she shared some insights as to her daughters. She said they each had an American boyfriend.

A few months later on a return trip to NCR, we met at a bar for a drink. She had indicated she would bring a new girl for 3-some, but here was no extra girl. "Ya Westy she's home. She come later". The Dynamo had forgotten something at home, so we taxied to an apartment building where she lived, and she had me walk upstairs with her to her place. Its in a crappy area, and its a crappy building inside and out. Both elevators were dead. We walked up the stairs, and from the lobby to the stairwell to the hallway (many apartment doors were wide open), there were mostly women and children, and hotties left and right (no wonder she seemed to have an endless supply of ladies). We reached her apartment, walked in, she grabbed whatever she had forgotten and put it in her purse. We left and taxied to my hotel, and the new gal showed up. Once again after dinner, drinks, and adult fun, the new gal slept while Dynamo and I talked.

Sweetie, tell me more about your daughters foreign BF's please. And she did: Both daughters had much older American boyfriends from different cities. Both boyfies were elderly and could not travel. The mother had used DIA to carefully cultivate older gents who were fairly invalid to have chat-only relationships with her daughters. One gent was sending about $350 USD monthly to one daughter (the mother collects all the money), and the other gent I think was sending about $400 per month to the other daughter. The Dynamo routinely sat in on chat sessions between daughters and the Cano, and reviewed conversations from the old YM chat transcripts, so there was no hint of hanky panky. GENIUS!

Mom was raking in about p35-40 k per month on the two older gents. I would guess that's why she never asked me for anything, telling me only how much she thought I should give each new gal that she brought me, and of course to pay for food / drink and such. She said she was using the foreigners money to live on and save for each daughter's college. Each older gent later passed away, but that didn't end the gravy train, as mom just carefully enticed more elder-gents into the same relationship. Both girls went to college (one stopped, bad grades). Just guessing that the Dynamo made easily $20-$30 K USD off this thing (or much more) over the years.

Guess we should not be surprised that during Covid-times, overseas gents are willing to cough up large dollars for a few nude photos of some pinay hottie, given that previous-Covid gents were willing to send hundreds of $ monthly to girls they knew they would never meet, never touch, and never get to say anything nawty to, for the rest of their lives.

3) Seriously, refer to #1 above.

Here is a good report of Pinays and transsexuals extorting guys to sand cash. I know of several suicides in this area.

[URL]https://www.scamsurvivors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75303&p=186147[/URL]

One has to admire their entrepreneurship. Real Gangs of New York trash.

This morning I watched a video of an impala escape from a crocodile. Only (spoiler alert) for a leopard to immediately pounce. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwRBMIDCSs[/URL].

There are a lot of lonely / horny guys out there on Team Impala.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2530769]1) If one of you fellas will send me $15 k USD, I will see how far I can get on that, with how many different ladies. Will post up a bunch of pics. Have cash (yours), will dally. And will post reports.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530667]Thanks GD. The reason I don't know how the system works is that I never send cash, load or anything to girls regardless of if they are new or long time acquaintances. All of mine are well trained that I am generous while in town but there will be no random FB messages, chit chat or dying uncles while I'm back home.

I've posted a couple of times that while I normally don't even contact girls until I'm in town, these are exceptional circumstances so I am contacting new girls on the off chance that their numbers will still be valid when I can arrive. To date no funds have been sent and I'm not expecting too. A few girls have sent me nudes but as I don't cam, I haven't pushed for more. I see it (maybe foolishly) as ground work for a future visit.

Everyone has their different preferences, and that's ok, so I'm wondering what are experienced mongers getting for the TT'ed load or cash? Cam sessions? Bonus points for helping the girls out during times of need? Prepaid future services?

No judgement or hazing for sending the money. I'm just wondering what guys get in return?

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]I've sent load to about 4 girls to chat. All less than 100 p. I have sent a few girls less than 1000 for travel expenses when they are remote. I've sent a couple a few thousand that I was dating but in the end worked out that it was easier just to come pay and have no obligations.

I have been there both as a visitor and working so have tried a few different approaches.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2530667]
Everyone has their different preferences, and that's ok, so I'm wondering what are experienced mongers getting for the TT'ed load or cash? Cam sessions? Bonus points for helping the girls out during times of need? Prepaid future services?

No judgement or hazing for sending the money. I'm just wondering what guys get in return?

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]I get private shows and sometimes good conversation. The thing is that with my current job, I will get a chance to travel to the PI once COVID is over so I look at it as "seed money" to my investment in them. I'm getting up in years and frankly once we are allowed to venture out again I suspect the game may change a bit and it's sometimes nice to have a stand-by on call instead of me having to go out to large public places.

I do draw the line though. Every little oops that they may have isn't my problem and it's not my duty to get their sister's kid tuition paid. Nor is is my duty to come online to every night to help them meet their gift goal so that they can cash out and spend big money on high point gifts. I look at it like how guys could sit up in a Buy me Drink bar all night and do nothing but pay for $20 drinks for the lady's and get only them sitting their with them and going home by themselves. There are a lot of those in my area where I live (in Japan) so I am familiar with how that works and somewhat understand so I don't see it as too much of a stretch on my part as long as I don't go overboard.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2530737]I will quickly send load, I use gcash and 50 p is a cheap way to test the waters. -snip-

I have 2 regulars that I have not been able to see for a while, they get a thousand or so a month, one got 5 k when she had to move. 2 K on the months of their birthdays. One got a old cell phone that cost me less than 300 p to send to her..[/QUOTE]I think it's reasonable to send load when you are in country or close to arriving.

IME Filipinas do not carry 'credit' in their mind for very long. Being outside the country and not knowing when we might get into Ph it's too open ended unless getting an immediate return.

I am not a Philippines monger, and my only experience there was from a two day transit stopover in Manila in the 1990's. I did get myself a bar girl, just for the thrill of it, but the details are lost in time. I have certainly enjoyed reading your experiences here, nonetheless.

I have a couple of friends here in Sydney who have successfully married Pinays (same age range matches), who tried to induct me to sisters / cousins, but I resisted the temptation.

I am now in my late 60's, and still not interested, but after reading comments here I decided to waste some of my COVID induced free time to sign up to PinaLove for a month to see what was around. My target was 40-60 year olds.

Not unexpectedly, within seconds of my profile appearing, I was inundated with "likes" and messages from 19-25 year olds, and a few "old boilers" in my age range. These continued for about a week, then faded away.

One that might have had "prospects" was a 50 yo, widow of a "white American". The backgrounds of her photos suggested she was reasonably well off from the union. A bit of chat elicited that she had a sister living in Switzerland, and another in Australia. So it seems the family was doing quite well at milking RWMs. She suggested that she would consider coming here to visit me "if I invited her". Presumably that meant paying her airfares, as she could easily get a family visit visa from her sister (COVID notwithstanding).

After a couple of days of chat, I got an early morning "good morning" message. I asked what she intended doing that day and the best she could come up wit was "water the plants and let the dog out". That was the last I heard from her, maybe a good thing?

This experience seems to iterate what others have said here.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2531565]One that might have had "prospects" was a 50 yo, widow of a "white American". The backgrounds of her photos suggested she was reasonably well off from the union. A bit of chat elicited that she had a sister living in Switzerland, and another in Australia. So it seems the family was doing quite well at milking RWMs. She suggested that she would consider coming here to visit me "if I invited her". Presumably that meant paying her airfares, as she could easily get a family visit visa from her sister (COVID notwithstanding).[/QUOTE]You should have told her that you promise to meet up with her whenever her sister invites her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2531571]You should have told her that you promise to meet up with her whenever her sister invites her.[/QUOTE]That was my intention if we had progressed that far. Knowing that I have 12-18 months before I would likely to actually confront her emboldened me a bit. Maybe the dog ran away and she is still chasing it?

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2531565]After a couple of days of chat, I got an early morning "good morning" message. I asked what she intended doing that day and the best she could come up wit was "water the plants and let the dog out". That was the last I heard from her, maybe a good thing?

This experience seems to iterate what others have said here.[/QUOTE]You raise an interesting point here. What would you expect her to be doing besides walking the dog and watering plants? It is early morning here and some old boiler has just walked past in the awful weather with two dogs who ponce a life of sorts out of her. I am of farming stock and believe dogs should either work or be chopped up for food. I do, of course, see their utility as companions to kids and old boilers. I am thinking of going back to growing my own fruit bushes and bee friendly plants but I would have to water them and be around to tend them.

Say you took her to Sydney, What would you expect her to do? Rock your world or water the plants and walk your dog? Here are the Rolling Stones walking the dog in Kangaroo Land [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xtCJhQ6P3w[/URL].

Of course, I get you were only monkeying around on PinayLove as we all do. These are simple, low income people. What do you think they do with their time? Do they squander it any differently than we do? Isn't it telling most guys here can't get a white hottie and some of the others are seriously psychologically disturbed? I remember once meeting a nice woman an internet cafe in Isaan. Turns out she had been a low class hooker in Soi 6, Pattaya, famous for cut price, short time bonks. She and her village and family were nice. She had her eyes on a tattooed English alcoholic. As we drove back past locals out hunting frogs for food, she was scare of the ghosts. We were but tourists.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2531604]That was my intention if we had progressed that far. Knowing that I have 12-18 months before I would likely to actually confront her emboldened me a bit. Maybe the dog ran away and she is still chasing it?[/QUOTE]Hello,

What is the best time of year to visit Australia? On my list of places to visit if Covid ever ends.

[QUOTE=George03;2531721]Hello,

What is the best time of year to visit Australia? On my list of places to visit if Covid ever ends.[/QUOTE]Not really the correct forum to discuss this, but the "best time" depends largely on where you want to go, what you want to see, and what activities you want to partake in. Northern areas will have tropical conditions in summer with high humidity and often cyclones; some southern areas will be cold in winter, with snowfalls.

It is a big country, equivalent to USA. Same situation as asking "the best time to go to America"? There is plenty of travel info available on line to help you decide. You can DM me if you want some specific info. We'd love to welcome tourist back here some day.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2531565]I am not a Philippines monger, and my only experience there was from a two day transit stopover in Manila in the 1990's. I did get myself a bar girl, just for the thrill of it, but the details are lost in time. I have certainly enjoyed reading your experiences here, nonetheless.

I have a couple of friends here in Sydney who have successfully married Pinays (same age range matches), who tried to induct me to sisters / cousins, but I resisted the temptation.

I am now in my late 60's, and still not interested, but after reading comments here I decided to waste some of my COVID induced free time to sign up to PinaLove for a month to see what was around. My target was 40-60 year olds.

Not unexpectedly, within seconds of my profile appearing, I was inundated with "likes" and messages from 19-25 year olds, and a few "old boilers" in my age range. These continued for about a week, then faded away.
[/QUOTE]It seems a lot of Pinays are well versed in ESP. My subscription has only a few days left, and I am suddenly being bombarded again with "likes" and "Hello!" messages. How else would these girls know that their time to seduce me is running out? LOL. Is this another site full of computer generated girls?

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2532630]It seems a lot of Pinays are well versed in ESP. My subscription has only a few days left, and I am suddenly being bombarded again with "likes" and "Hello!" messages. How else would these girls know that their time to seduce me is running out? LOL. Is this another site full of computer generated girls?[/QUOTE]Dude I got fucked like that in the States. I signed up for matchdotcom the beginning of last month. I went ahead and paid 6 month for $131. Since then I have only gotten 1 email. That was from a fat ugly chick. I have sent out tons of interests and emails and nothing! Not only zero, but absolute zero. Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2532728]Dude I got fucked like that in the States. I signed up for matchdotcom the beginning of last month. I went ahead and paid 6 month for $131. Since then I have only gotten 1 email. That was from a fat ugly chick. I have sent out tons of interests and emails and nothing! Not only zero, but absolute zero. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that DIA or whoever just ramped up AG's standings and recommended him more in the week before his subscription expiry.

I know if I'm online a lot I only get to see the dregs but if I have a break, miraculously the stunners reappear for me to engage with. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the sites provide a similar incentive to resubscribe.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2532728]Dude I got fucked like that in the States. I signed up for matchdotcom the beginning of last month. I went ahead and paid 6 month for $131. Since then I have only gotten 1 email. That was from a fat ugly chick. I have sent out tons of interests and emails and nothing! Not only zero, but absolute zero. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]A dating site in the US? Oh my goodness you should have known better. In my almost a year being stuck here it seems we have two types of women. Old fat and ugly. Fat and ugly. Of course they may be a few variant's in between. Now if you are lucky enough to get a pretty one then you are dealing with self centered, vain, selfish, conceded me too movement feminist. No thanks, God I hope Asia opens up soon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2532728]Since then I have only gotten 1 email. That was from a fat ugly chick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2532868]I know if I'm online a lot I only get to see the dregs[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2532889]Now if you are lucky enough to get a pretty one then you are dealing with self centered, vain, selfish, conceded me too movement feminist. No thanks, God I hope Asia opens up soon.[/QUOTE]Oh my, gents, a pox is upon ye. Just hoping I've left the things "Clean and tidy" for you when you return.

DIA has enforced their policy I guess.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2533050]DIA has enforced their policy I guess.[/QUOTE]Why do people persist with DIA?

Girls no better than any other site. Frequent account cancellations and bans. Limits on what can be said and done on the site.

I got banned years ago and haven't even worried about trying to rejoin.

There are many other aps to use. Why do guys keep returning?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533233]Why do people persist with DIA?

Girls no better than any other site. Frequent account cancellations and bans. Limits on what can be said and done on the site.

I got banned years ago and haven't even worried about trying to rejoin.

There are many other aps to use. Why do guys keep returning?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I have never had a problem. Free, unlimited messaging and I have had sex with all 5 girls I met from the site all of which were under 23 and attractive.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533233]Why do people persist with DIA?

Girls no better than any other site. Frequent account cancellations and bans. Limits on what can be said and done on the site.

I got banned years ago and haven't even worried about trying to rejoin.

There are many other aps to use. Why do guys keep returning?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]One reason is because its free maybe.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2532868]I'm guessing that DIA or whoever just ramped up AG's standings and recommended him more in the week before his subscription expiry.

I know if I'm online a lot I only get to see the dregs but if I have a break, miraculously the stunners reappear for me to engage with. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the sites provide a similar incentive to resubscribe.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Well Red Hot Pie was actually pursued for that [URL]https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/court-finds-online-dating-website-used-fictitious-profiles.[/URL] For most cases it's monger beware.

People persist with DIA because it's just a part of the pinay mix. I hope people are not exclusively using DIA. Pinalove is also free.

Like another monger say, cannot wait for Asia to re--open.

In the meantime hometown English students seem to be my staple.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2532868]I'm guessing that DIA or whoever just ramped up AG's standings and recommended him more in the week before his subscription expiry.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Which raises my suspicions as to whether I am chatting to the girl depicted, or a "keyboard warrior" tailoring a conversation to my profile and comments (which is quite common on sites which charge by usage).

Anyway, I have expired now but I guess I will continue to get teasers. As The Eagles say "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. ".

On to the next adventure.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2533530]Which raises my suspicions as to whether I am chatting to the girl depicted, or a "keyboard warrior" tailoring a conversation to my profile and comments (which is quite common on sites which charge by usage).

Anyway, I have expired now but I guess I will continue to get teasers. As The Eagles say "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. ".

On to the next adventure.[/QUOTE]Not a great loss. I've always recommended making contact when the monger is physically in country at least and preferably in town.

I'm still active online but if I'm honest to myself, it's only for mild titillation. I doubt I will score with the smallest percentage of my contacts when I actually arrive. 😡.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2533530]Which raises my suspicions as to whether I am chatting to the girl depicted, or a "keyboard warrior" tailoring a conversation to my profile and comments (which is quite common on sites which charge by usage).

Anyway, I have expired now but I guess I will continue to get teasers. As The Eagles say "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. ".

On to the next adventure.[/QUOTE]I don't think there are bots creating profiles. At least on PL and FC that I use. I was more referring to prioritizing hotter girls appearing to entice guys that may be considering not resubscribing or otherwise moving on.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2533499]
In the meantime hometown English students seem to be my staple.[/QUOTE]Yep, I read of cash strapped students due to the drop in casual work hours and the Bank of Mom and Dad running out of liquidity.

Has it been a productive target for you?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533536]I don't think there are bots creating profiles. At least on PL and FC that I use. I was more referring to prioritizing hotter girls appearing to entice guys that may be considering not resubscribing or otherwise moving on.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Your theory would be plausible if the girls submitted were "hot", or at least approaching warm.

Never mind, back to the shopping mall on Saturday LOL.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2533499]Well Red Hot Pie was actually pursued for that [URL]https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/court-finds-online-dating-website-used-fictitious-profiles.[/URL] For most cases it's monger beware.

People persist with DIA because it's just a part of the pinay mix. I hope people are not exclusively using DIA. Pinalove is also free.

Like another monger say, cannot wait for Asia to re--open.

In the meantime hometown English students seem to be my staple.[/QUOTE]Pinalove ask for subscription to chat with girls. Doesn't seem free at all.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533233]Why do people persist with DIA?

Girls no better than any other site. Frequent account cancellations and bans. Limits on what can be said and done on the site.

I got banned years ago and haven't even worried about trying to rejoin.

There are many other aps to use. Why do guys keep returning?

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]DIA is free and unlimited messages. Has plenty of interested girls I have used it and very successfull over many years. Yes they have banned me couple of times but every time I go to Philippines I open a new account with local phone SIM card. Also I have joined their sister site OYOY and never had problems finding girls.

I still keep in touch with the girls I had and there is a whole network they have fixing me up with their sisters, cousins, friends. Some of them have sponsors. Those who have sponsors sex in room only. No dinner or vacation outings. I am fine with that. Sponsored girls tend to be pretty. Sexwise all girls are like a box of chocolates!

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2533602]Pinalove ask for subscription to chat with girls. Doesn't seem free at all.[/QUOTE]You can send and receive email for free, but 1 message every ten minutes. Many girls give WhatsApp out without asking, but most will also give it out if asked. I usually pay for 1 month if traveling to Phil.

The vast majority of girls on dating sites such as DIA, Filipina Cupid or Pina Love are there to get money from foreigners. That is why the age gap and physical attractiveness don't matter to Pinays. There is no particular hierarchy with these sites. The girls sign up to the one their friends or family tell them to.

Just about every single girl is dirt poor, with minimal education, no job and absolutely zero future prospects. Despite their glamour shots, most are slum dwellers and live in wooden shacks with extended families. If their photos show them in bikinis at beach resorts or in hotel rooms, then they have obviously been with another foreign monger and will fuck for money.

They go on these dating sites to initially get instant cash for food, utility bills, medicines, to help with the rent or any other small expense. The expectation is for anything between 2,000 - 10,000 peso. Some will do a cam show or send nude photos if the monger wants something in return. Hundreds of mongers a week are contacting these girls, so it's just a numbers game. Even if one gullible monger sends them 2,000 peso out of pity, that's more than they will make in a week in a legitimate job. The attractive ones are doing very nicely.

The smarter ones will be know how to play the long game and milk the foreigner. They know that if they keep expressing their love, Mr Dumb Foreigner will melt. If it leads to marriage and a visa to RWML, then they have truly hit the jackpot.

Middle and upper middle class Filipinas don't go on these dating sites. They don't need to. They have their own social and family networks to help find them a Filipino man of their own social status. They are not interested in foreigners. If they want to get to RWML, they can obtain their own visas or will be sponsored by their rich uncle in California.

Nothing good ever comes from lonely mongers cruising these dating sites for months on end. You will only find lies, misery and desperation. It will wear you out. You should only go on these sites about 2 weeks before your trip to collect phone numbers of prospects. You then fuck these girls when you get there. Many girls won't show up, so it pays to have a long list. Tinder and wechat also worked perfectly well for getting hookers on arrival so it makes these dating sites unnecessary.

Now watch this and weep. Poor Arthur.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TBhoc1nZJGE[/URL]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533734]Nothing good ever comes from lonely mongers cruising these dating sites for months on end. You will only find lies, misery and desperation. It will wear you out. You should only go on these sites about 2 weeks before your trip to collect phone numbers of prospects. You then fuck these girls when you get there. Many girls won't show up, so it pays to have a long list. Tinder and wechat also worked perfectly well for getting hookers on arrival so it makes these dating sites unnecessary.

Now watch this and weep. Poor Arthur.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TBhoc1nZJGE[/URL][/QUOTE]Well said, Sir. I would welcome your advice.

As an avid hater of winter I am planning my future winter getaways. So far I have had to bring my own companion on my short trips close to home such as DR and Mexico. I'm wanting to plan a 3 to 5 month long trip to PI for next winter. I'm hoping to find an affectionate Pina for those months without drama. I'm interested in 40+ with good English skills. I don't have the libido I once did and consider that a blessing but I'm not looking for platonic either. Ideally a live-in at a reasonably upscale place to act as guide, cook, fun companion, and affectionate lover. And then say goodbye at the end of March when I return home. Perhaps to return the following year. I'm using SA successfully in the US when I travel.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533734]The vast majority of girls on dating sites such as DIA, Filipina Cupid or Pina Love are there to get money from foreigners. That is why the age gap and physical attractiveness don't matter to Pinays. There is no particular hierarchy with these sites. The girls sign up to the one their friends or family tell them to.

Just about every single girl is dirt poor, with minimal education, no job and absolutely zero future prospects. Despite their glamour shots, most are slum dwellers and live in wooden shacks with extended families. If their photos show them in bikinis at beach resorts or in hotel rooms, then they have obviously been with another foreign monger and will fuck for money.

They go on these dating sites to initially get instant cash for food, utility bills, medicines, to help with the rent or any other small expense. The expectation is for anything between 2,000 - 10,000 peso. Some will do a cam show or send nude photos if the monger wants something in return. Hundreds of mongers a week are contacting these girls, so it's just a numbers game. Even if one gullible monger sends them 2,000 peso out of pity, that's more than they will make in a week in a legitimate job. The attractive ones are doing very nicely.

The smarter ones will be know how to play the long game and milk the foreigner. They know that if they keep expressing their love, Mr Dumb Foreigner will melt. If it leads to marriage and a visa to RWML, then they have truly hit the jackpot.

Middle and upper middle class Filipinas don't go on these dating sites. They don't need to. They have their own social and family networks to help find them a Filipino man of their own social status. They are not interested in foreigners. If they want to get to RWML, they can obtain their own visas or will be sponsored by their rich uncle in California.

Nothing good ever comes from lonely mongers cruising these dating sites for months on end. You will only find lies, misery and desperation. It will wear you out. You should only go on these sites about 2 weeks before your trip to collect phone numbers of prospects. You then fuck these girls when you get there. Many girls won't show up, so it pays to have a long list. Tinder and wechat also worked perfectly well for getting hookers on arrival so it makes these dating sites unnecessary.

Now watch this and weep. Poor Arthur.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TBhoc1nZJGE[/URL][/QUOTE]That lesson is a lesson not only for the PI but for any place in the world. But something about this guy seems off to me and there is more to the story. If you want to give a few bucks, then go ahead heck I do it myself. But don't be silly and sell the farm to someone you meet online or that you know in person since they don't have to be dirt poor to screw you over. Many a middle class person got that way by sometimes doing things under the table so don't automatically think that just because she comes from a "good home" in a Manila suburb and has a college degree doesn't mean that she will not rip you off if given the chance.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2533875]That lesson is a lesson not only for the PI but for any place in the world. But something about this guy seems off to me and there is more to the story. If you want to give a few bucks, then go ahead heck I do it myself. But don't be silly and sell the farm to someone you meet online or that you know in person since they don't have to be dirt poor to screw you over. Many a middle class person got that way by sometimes doing things under the table so don't automatically think that just because she comes from a "good home" in a Manila suburb and has a college degree doesn't mean that she will not rip you off if given the chance.[/QUOTE]I take your point. Middle class and upper middle class Filipinos / Filipinas got there through nepotism, political connections, bribery, corruption, tax evasion and other unethical business practices. They are too busy screwing over their own countrymen that they don't have time to be chasing down retired, fat, bald, septuagenarian white mongers. Haha. Class and social status are very important to Filipinas from the posh gated communities in Manila and Cebu and they would not be seen dead with a retired limo driver from the USA. People like Arthur from the video and the majority of mongers on this board will need to be content with chasing barely literate, bird brained nincompoops from the slums.

[QUOTE=Albert9989;2533602]Pinalove ask for subscription to chat with girls. Doesn't seem free at all.[/QUOTE]PL is free to chat to any girl you just have to wait 10 minutes between messages. That's why you go straight for the outside messaging.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2533875]But something about this guy seems off to me and there is more to the story. .[/QUOTE]Its his body language. Learned that lesson from an old HR manager many years ago. When your talking to someone and there body language doesn't match their words then that sets off warning bells.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533734]Now watch this and weep. Poor Arthur.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TBhoc1nZJGE[/URL][/QUOTE]Poor my ass. Arthur is a dumb mf.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2533977]Its his body language. Learned that lesson from an old HR manager many years ago. When your talking to someone and there body language doesn't match their words then that sets off warning bells.[/QUOTE]So what do you think really happened?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533734]Nothing good ever comes from lonely mongers cruising these dating sites for months on end. You will only find lies, misery and desperation. It will wear you out. You should only go on these sites about 2 weeks before your trip to collect phone numbers of prospects. You then fuck these girls when you get there. Many girls won't show up, so it pays to have a long list. Tinder and wechat also worked perfectly well for getting hookers on arrival so it makes these dating sites unnecessary.[/QUOTE]I was a big fat zero for a hundred numbers gathered through pre-work on my last trip. That's no exaggeration. Yet I met many great girls with between 2 and 36 hours notice when in country.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2267691]That's it, I'm soooo done putting in ground work on the online hookup sites!

.....
No more of this "see you in 2 weeks" bullshit for me.[/QUOTE]For those who still insist that pre-work is required, the test is simple. Go online, say you are in Ayala, Makati or wherever and ask to meet today. No stories of liking sunset strolls with your cute puppy required. No one cares: Where are they, you are there too, are they busy today, want to meet? No need to be crude or demanding. It's implicit what you want. Non believers will be amazed at how many will accept the offer. Don't rule out girls being prepared to travel 4 hours on a bus to spend the night. Many actually prefer to travel and not be seen in their home town entertaining lecherous 70 year olds.

Give it a try. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533881]I take your point. Middle class and upper middle class Filipinos / Filipinas got there through nepotism, political connections, bribery, corruption, tax evasion and other unethical business practices. They are too busy screwing over their own countrymen that they don't have time to be chasing down retired, fat, bald, septuagenarian white mongers. Haha. Class and social status are very important to Filipinas from the posh gated communities in Manila and Cebu and they would not be seen dead with a retired limo driver from the USA. People like Arthur from the video and the majority of mongers on this board will need to be content with chasing barely literate, bird brained nincompoops from the slums.[/QUOTE]This is not limited to limo drivers. Middle and upper middle class Pinays want nothing to do with foreign mongers of any sort, even fat white balding potbellied community college professors. Such a thing would be extremely scandalous in their social circle. Foreign retirees get their pick of the poor social rejects and semi-reformed hookers. Foreign mongers are kidding themselves if they think they can marry into Filipino high society. Rich Filipinos know that that RWML is not sending them their best.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2534095]...Rich Filipinos know that that RWML is not sending them their best.[/QUOTE]Rich Filipinos also know that the fabled Visa and setting off to Nebraska to suck dick is a major step down in entitlements:

1/ they were educated in RWML and travel there to see friends and family so there is no aura or mystique about it.

2/ the double wide doesn't come with nannies, drivers nor maids. Trade a life of daily gossip sessions over coffee for nappies and a mop? I think not.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2534093]So what do you think really happened?[/QUOTE]Don't know for sure, but its not the story he is telling. Makes me think he is a scammer that got scammed.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533734]
Now watch this and weep. Poor Arthur.
[URL]https://youtu.be/TBhoc1nZJGE[/URL][/QUOTE]Sounds too hard to believe in the video.

Meanwhile as to the hard hitting interviewer. Reminds me of so many sweet Filipinas in my history with amazing hip length hair.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2533848]Well said, Sir. I would welcome your advice.

As an avid hater of winter I am planning my future winter getaways. So far I have had to bring my own companion on my short trips close to home such as DR and Mexico. I'm wanting to plan a 3 to 5 month long trip to PI for next winter. I'm hoping to find an affectionate Pina for those months without drama. I'm interested in 40+ with good English skills. I don't have the libido I once did and consider that a blessing but I'm not looking for platonic either. Ideally a live-in at a reasonably upscale place to act as guide, cook, fun companion, and affectionate lover. And then say goodbye at the end of March when I return home. Perhaps to return the following year. I'm using SA successfully in the US when I travel.[/QUOTE]We are not sure if you've been to the Philippines before, but let me tell you that Filipinas in the 40+ age group are generally fat and ugly. I'm not sure why, but Filipinas rapidly decline in physical appearance between the ages of 30 to 40. They just look haggard. Maybe it's because the ones we come across in Mongerland are all dirt poor slum dwellers who don't have access to proper nutrition, health care, beauty products, exercise regimes or maids to do their work. Hahaha. Life is hard when you've got a million kids and are also looking after your daughters' six kids. If you've ever seen a photo or video of a Filipinas house in provinces, you will notice two things. The walls will be green and there will be 20 kids under the age of 5 running around.

Now back to your vacation planning. You are selling yourself short. Many slim, pretty 23-year olds from the same slums as their aunts, would be most happy to accept your assignment. Just be clear that you are hiring her as a tour guide / cook / companion and will pay her a monthly salary. That way she won't feel like a prostitute even though she will be spreading her legs for you each night. Hahaha. She will think you are dangling the carrot of marriage at the end.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2534095]This is not limited to limo drivers. Middle and upper middle class Pinays want nothing to do with foreign mongers of any sort, even fat white balding potbellied community college professors. Such a thing would be extremely scandalous in their social circle. Foreign retirees get their pick of the poor social rejects and semi-reformed hookers. Foreign mongers are kidding themselves if they think they can marry into Filipino high society. Rich Filipinos know that that RWML is not sending them their best.[/QUOTE]This is yet another generalization that holds true in many, likely most cases, but not all. The circles in which one is able to move comfortably here depend on a number of factors, among which is the duration of your stay here, and the frequency of your interaction with those in the upper echelons of Philippines society. Having worked with select members of the mover and shaker communities, I can state with absolute certainty that, though the barriers are high, they are not insurmountable.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2534211]This is yet another generalization that holds true in many, likely most cases, but not all. The circles in which one is able to move comfortably here depend on a number of factors, among which is the duration of your stay here, and the frequency of your interaction with those in the upper echelons of Philippines society. Having worked with select members of the mover and shaker communities, I can state with absolute certainty that, though the barriers are high, they are not insurmountable.[/QUOTE]But what man is going to wait for something with a .001% chance? That is fantasy land stuff for women. There ain't no stories of poor ass men kissing a frog that turns into a princess. Men date and marry across and down. Women date and marry across and up.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2534211]This is yet another generalization that holds true in many, likely most cases, but not all. The circles in which one is able to move comfortably here depend on a number of factors, among which is the duration of your stay here, and the frequency of your interaction with those in the upper echelons of Philippines society. Having worked with select members of the mover and shaker communities, I can state with absolute certainty that, though the barriers are high, they are not insurmountable.

GE.[/QUOTE]Your point is well intentioned, but unfortunately it's all rather academic. Mongers are all deeply flawed individuals with a myriad of social and mental health problems. Most mongers are socially inept creatures who do not want long term relationships. It is not normal or acceptable behavior in any civilized society to want to travel to third world shitholes to fuck 30 penniless prostitutes in 15 days. What could a monger possibly achieve by trying to mix with high society in the Philippines? Mixing with the hoi polloi in the slums means Monger Man can reach his all important root quota in the time available. Entering a gated community means he won't.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2534383]Your point is well intentioned, but unfortunately it's all rather academic. Mongers are all deeply flawed individuals with a myriad of social and mental health problems. Most mongers are socially inept creatures who do not want long term relationships. It is not normal or acceptable behavior in any civilized society to want to travel to third world shitholes to fuck 30 penniless prostitutes in 15 days. What could a monger possibly achieve by trying to mix with high society in the Philippines? Mixing with the hoi polloi in the slums means Monger Man can reach his all important root quota in the time available. Entering a gated community means he won't.[/QUOTE]That is very well put. I do not like to be around mongers because they are as you describe. The endless discussions here on how to pay a hooker for sex. And the stupid photos which betray worrying personal traits. I am going to phone a friend now about returning shopping at supermarkets. I just want to know when he goes and how many people are there when he goes. I do that because I am a "deeply flawed individual with a myriad of social and mental health problems. , a socially inept creature who does not want long term relationships "with hookers or shops but prefer to get in and out in the shortest time possible.

Mongers are tourists who, by and large, go to tourist spots. The other holiday makers are the same. They too often confuse holiday flings with something else. As regards meeting the great and the good of the Philippines, who in their right minds wants that? Better a wild fling with penniless prostitutes and back to the grind.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2533881]I take your point. Middle class and upper middle class Filipinos / Filipinas got there through nepotism, political connections, bribery, corruption, tax evasion and other unethical business practices. They are too busy screwing over their own countrymen that they don't have time to be chasing down retired, fat, bald, septuagenarian white mongers. Haha. Class and social status are very important to Filipinas from the posh gated communities in Manila and Cebu and they would not be seen dead with a retired limo driver from the USA. People like Arthur from the video and the majority of mongers on this board will need to be content with chasing barely literate, bird brained nincompoops from the slums.[/QUOTE]I've seen women on some of those sites send me emails asking not to share any pictures that they have sent me because there are other women on them that get jealous and see who is online and try to undercut their friends by asking you to give to them. Seems to me that they learn early on, it's better to screw your own kababayan over first just to make sure that they don't get too far ahead of you, and as you stated that line of thinking not only rests with the poorer folks but also those in the middle class. Probably more so since it's in their best interests to have a lower class below them. No one wants to be last in places like the PI, and honestly you really can't fault some of the working girls for trying.

Unsolicited msg in pinalove.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2540662]Unsolicited msg in pinalove.[/QUOTE]Now she (he) sents pics.

I have made a new chatmate friend, 35, attractive, single, no kids living with her Auntie and working in Japan in a club now closed. These are all the things she has declared.

We hit it off a little she is much smarter than a typical pinay (not a high bar but).

No fun stuff just chatting so far.

OF course I initially assumed she was a working girl, fine for me at least we share a sex addiction, but of course she is not.

After a few days of chatting she is off to Dubai. Her Auntie paid for the trip because she is her favorite niece. I am like who the fuck goes to Dubai? I ask her why she is going and of course the answer is just for a holiday.

Anyways Prostitute YES or NO?

I bow to your greater knowledge.

PP.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2533848]Well said, Sir. I would welcome your advice.

As an avid hater of winter I am planning my future winter getaways. So far I have had to bring my own companion on my short trips close to home such as DR and Mexico. I'm wanting to plan a 3 to 5 month long trip to PI for next winter. I'm hoping to find an affectionate Pina for those months without drama. I'm interested in 40+ with good English skills. I don't have the libido I once did and consider that a blessing but I'm not looking for platonic either. Ideally a live-in at a reasonably upscale place to act as guide, cook, fun companion, and affectionate lover. And then say goodbye at the end of March when I return home. Perhaps to return the following year. I'm using SA successfully in the US when I travel.[/QUOTE]You can easily find this and there are many 40+ that will fit your pistol. It is true that many decline rapidly they look 25 to the age of 40 then 55 at 41. But not all are village girls with 9 kids. Lots of decent 40 plus ladies who you would likely enjoy.

Make it worth their while a little with a cash contribution at the end and you will be a happy camper.

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541113]I have made a new chatmate friend, 35, attractive, single, no kids living with her Auntie and working in Japan in a club now closed. These are all the things she has declared.

Anyways Prostitute YES or NO?

I bow to your greater knowledge.

PP.[/QUOTE]Trust me to be a cynic but if you have to ask the question then you know the answer.

I'm guessing Auntie is 5'2" both tall and round, has full body tattos and is missing a couple of fingers. "Niece" has been labelled past her prime and is being shipped from a country where youth is in demand to an older, established market.

I don't know too many people travelling to Dubai for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic. Is it even open to tourism?

Not that this should stop you. If I'm wrong then she's a good catch. If I'm right, hookers make good GFs for those with their eyes open.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2541151]Trust me to be a cynic but if you have to ask the question then you know the answer.

I'm guessing Auntie is 5'2" both tall and round, has full body tattos and is missing a couple of fingers. "Niece" has been labelled past her prime and is being shipped from a country where youth is in demand to an older, established market.

I don't know too many people travelling to Dubai for a holiday in the middle of a pandemic. Is it even open to tourism?

Not that this should stop you. If I'm wrong then she's a good catch. If I'm right, hookers make good GFs for those with their eyes open.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]This Board is full of all the bad stories about taking the girl out of the bar. But most of us here, if we are looking long term, DO need a prostitute if we are to be honest with ourselves and are planning at least to have a relationship without cheating. Which frankly are my "dreams".

That is my goal no cheating but also not monogamous aka an open relationship.

So with a good prenup in hand, a good gyno exam and a mature open attitude about fucking others (though I simply can't stand lying) it is possible. Lord knows there are a few miles on my stub!

But for now I will just smile and sift through the lies. I do wonder though why would one admit to going to Dubai? It is one thing to see the lie but better is to wonder why?

Thoughts all?

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541113]After a few days of chatting she is off to Dubai. Her Auntie paid for the trip because she is her favorite niece. I am like who the fuck goes to Dubai? I ask her why she is going and of course the answer is just for a holiday.

Anyways Prostitute YES or NO?[/QUOTE]Why does it have to be a hooker? Probably just a liar. You assume they are telling the truth about going to Dubai, but maybe not telling the truth about not being a hooker?

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541113]I have made a new chatmate friend, 35, attractive, single, no kids living with her Auntie and working in Japan in a club now closed. These are all the things she has declared.

We hit it off a little she is much smarter than a typical pinay (not a high bar but).

No fun stuff just chatting so far.

OF course I initially assumed she was a working girl, fine for me at least we share a sex addiction, but of course she is not.

After a few days of chatting she is off to Dubai. Her Auntie paid for the trip because she is her favorite niece. I am like who the fuck goes to Dubai? I ask her why she is going and of course the answer is just for a holiday.

Anyways Prostitute YES or NO?

I bow to your greater knowledge.

PP.[/QUOTE]Philippine mindset is different. You tell them you are planning to take them to America. They tell all their contacts that they are going to America. It is a given thing or hope.

I have had some girls tell me over the years about their boyfriends in Europe, America, Australia and they told me they are going there soon. Those I am still in touch are still in Philippines.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541159]This Board is full of all the bad stories about taking the girl out of the bar.

That is my goal no cheating but also not monogamous aka an open relationship.

So with a good prenup in hand, a good gyno exam and a mature open attitude about fucking others (though I simply can't stand lying) it is possible. Lord knows there are a few miles on my stub!

But for now I will just smile and sift through the lies. I do wonder though why would one admit to going to Dubai? It is one thing to see the lie but better is to wonder why?

Thoughts all?

PP.[/QUOTE]Point by point:

Nothing at all wrong with taking a girl out of the bar if you do it WITH YOUR EYES OPEN. All of my hooker relationships have been great. Of course, trying to turn Krystal the pole dancer into Helen the soccer mom is just plain stupid.

Who is "cheating" if you are together when you are both in town and doing your own thing when not? Again, Eyes Open and don't get judgmental.

Similarly, no one is lying if difficult questions don't get asked. If you are not going to like the answer then don't ask the question. Do you really need to know what she was doing every minute you were out of town? Do you want her asking these questions of you?

Forget the prenups and just go with the flow. It's unlikely to last forever but enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts. Surprisingly, my "breakups" were much cleaner than with civilians.

*News Flash* It's not the hookers that fuck up the relationship. They get to work and play so get the best of both worlds. It's OTHER GUYS. Other fuckwit customers who see the poor damsel enjoying herself and swoop in so "save" her by marrying her and taking her of to be a housewife in suburbia. How well do you think that works out? Hence, enjoy it while it lasts and when a White Knight arrives, move on to the next one. LOL.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2541210]*News Flash* It's not the hookers that fuck up the relationship. They get to work and play so get the best of both worlds. It's OTHER GUYS. Other fuckwit customers who see the poor damsel enjoying herself and swoop in so "save" her by marrying her and taking her of to be a housewife in suburbia. How well do you think that works out? Hence, enjoy it while it lasts and when a White Knight arrives, .[/QUOTE]Not too well in Atlanta.

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[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541113]I have made a new chatmate friend, 35, attractive, single, no kids living with her Auntie and working in Japan in a club now closed.

After a few days of chatting she is off to Dubai. Her Auntie paid for the trip because she is her favorite niece. I ask her why she is going and of course the answer is just for a holiday.

Prostitute YES or NO?[/QUOTE]1. Working in Japan in a club that is now closed.

2. "Auntie" is funding a trip to Dubai.

Answer: YES, but so what? Many WGs are wonderful people. This can be a tough time for both "aunties" and WGs. There is money to be made in Dubai.

WTF man. Why would anyone at our age allow our dick to make such major decisions? Its not like your 2nd /3rd /4th wife built your money they are simply a benefactor of it and are not entitled to significant compensation unless it is truly earned in a successful long term relationship which any will can address.

If you know Pinay it won't be the girls idea (the one you broke with) to take half your life savings it will be her mother her brother the ex, the auntie and they are powerless and useless against family pressure.

I may get married again one day but only once the larger brain has created a safe space that is documented and clearly communicated to the future next ex.

I may be a good judge of my partner but I have no interest in learning all about the rest of the family and they are remoras hanging around the mouth of the shark.

I am just ending a good relationship here with a Filipina who is literally being harassed by her family for her money.

PP.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2541328]1. Working in Japan in a club that is now closed.
[/QUOTE]Can you expand upon this. Is it just covid induced travel restrictions or are there wider changes in attitudes to foreign workers?

I know several girls allegedly trying to get into Japan as "singers".

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;2541448]WTF man. Why would anyone at our age allow our dick to make such major decisions?

PP.[/QUOTE]Sorry. My bad. I didn't realise you were looking at a lifelong commitment. If that's the case then refer to my comment about trying to turn Krystal into Helen. There are always exceptions, and I wish you well, but you would be one of very few to make a success of it.

In all my cases, a prenup was not needed as the girl kicked me out when the White Night arrived Not the other way around. In one case, all my crap left in a shopping bag at hotel reception was a not so subtle hint that things were over. More than once they dropped around later to collect some trinket that they had "forgotten" and made a point of showing me what I was now missing out on. I never saw any threats or requests for compensation. They left me for a much more lucrative offer so why would they?

Again, all the best for what every path you choose.

G.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2541260]Not too well in Atlanta.

[URL]https://newsone.com/4106718/robert-aaron-long-atlanta-asian-spa-suspect/?fbclid=IwAR1AGVmVJb1-onnHQ6QOfmSwGXu86crXVBNsEdAb-SaoqGDnDZSt9tkCu4Q[/URL][/QUOTE]The poor Mexican was shot in flagrante delicto, on the massage table. Gives new meaning to the term "he died on the table". What a way to go! Gone while getting a nice oily hand job from a cute Asian hooker.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2541491]Can you expand upon this. Is it just covid induced travel restrictions or are there wider changes in attitudes to foreign workers?

I know several girls allegedly trying to get into Japan as "singers".

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]Japan is scene as the 'Gold Standard" for many Pinays and other women from poorer countries to come to and work / re-establish themselves. Pre-COVID, there were plenty of hostess bars and places where a young Pinay "singer" could go and work and if lucky find some Ojisan (Older man) who will be willing to take them and hopefully marry them or sponsor them for permanent residency. As a rule, most of those "Philippine Snack" places as they are called do cater to the Japanese only crowd. Also, if they get over here, they are more than likely to branch out and wind up in some type of nursing care or home health care since there is a shortage of those type workers here and if they have had some sort of training coming from the PI and can apply it here they will be good to go for work outside of the "singer" industry.

Plenty of opportunities for a young Pinay to make something of themselves more so than in the PI. For the record, I had a regular from Orchard Towers in Singapore who first started off in Japan and did just that, got married to an older Japanese dude and had a kid by him and so the kid was able to get a Japanese passport and sponsor the mother back into Japan. However, she got a bit greedy (her own words) and divorced him and moved both back to PI and then moved over to Singapore but was trying to get back over here to find a factory job or some other work other than "on her back. " She told me of a story of one of her friends from the Snack bar who married a guy that all the girls called a funny name because of his looks, but years later, she was still with him, kids and permanent residency and all of her friends were including the one I was with were envious of her for making it to be the stable one.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2541651]The poor Mexican was shot in flagrante delicto, on the massage table. Gives new meaning to the term "he died on the table". What a way to go! Gone while getting a nice oily hand job from a cute Asian hooker.[/QUOTE]He went out with style! Viva Mexico!

Good News: Lots of LBFMs chatting with their WIFI.

Bad News: "it's so sad my lunch and dinner now is water only no choice because no have".

Solution: Western Union. Cough up. I would only I'm off to take a nap.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2541182]Philippine mindset is different. You tell them you are planning to take them to America. They tell all their contacts that they are going to America. It is a given thing or hope.

I have had some girls tell me over the years about their boyfriends in Europe, America, Australia and they told me they are going there soon. Those I am still in touch are still in Philippines.[/QUOTE]I heard from at least two of my former GFs in Cebu that got married to American guys and moved there. I lost track of them and have no idea if it worked out and if they and their husbands are happy. But then again I don't like facebook or any social media for that matter. Whatsapp and Skype is about all I do. Am I a dinosaur? You bet.

[QUOTE=DCups;2551184]I heard from at least two of my former GFs in Cebu that got married to American guys and moved there. I lost track of them and have no idea if it worked out and if they and their husbands are happy. But then again I don't like facebook or any social media for that matter. Whatsapp and Skype is about all I do. Am I a dinosaur? You bet.[/QUOTE]You are not a dinosaur. I do the same with some girls. Do not need continuity of contact. But some chosen ones I keep in contact. I know many who married foreigners and have moved to many countries. Some have come back disillusioned. Some were in a kind of jail forbidden to socialize. In my contacts few seems to be really happy.

[QUOTE=DCups;2551184]I heard from at least two of my former GFs in Cebu that got married to American guys and moved there. I lost track of them and have no idea if it worked out and if they and their husbands are happy. But then again I don't like facebook or any social media for that matter. Whatsapp and Skype is about all I do. Am I a dinosaur? You bet.[/QUOTE]I have nailed a few Pinay over here in Canada and the US, married and already divorced and have chatted many in Europe also married and divorced. Many men find them "rescue them" then feel they are owed.

IF you want to being your "captive" home then you need to treat her well as they soon learn that things are different here and they will leave you.

I certainly have no interest in the vast majority of white women today even if they managed to be sub 135 lbs are fing rare find indeed. I want a woman that is happy in her role as a woman doing what former generations of women did but I have no plans to keep one captive as other have.

And I will have a prenup, maybe they do trick or scam me I will be prepared for that.

We reap what we sow, that I believe in.

PP.

Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:

After fat fingering a 😆 onto a post I got an abusive reply asking why I was laughing at her. Definitely not happy. I apologized and asked if she is in MNL. 5 seconds later her pricing for photos and vids. I asked if she was ok with meeting and another 5 seconds later her price for all inclusive.

I was surprised at quickly she monitors her account and replies.

For reference she's got 3 k Followers, she's hot but not blistering.

Enjoy G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2554881]Not a market I dabble in but IG model pricing:

After fat fingering a 😆 onto a post I got an abusive reply asking why I was laughing at her. Definitely not happy. I apologized and asked if she is in MNL. 5 seconds later her pricing for photos and vids. I asked if she was ok with meeting and another 5 seconds later her price for all inclusive.

I was surprised at quickly she monitors her account and replies.

For reference she's got 3 k Followers, she's hot but not blistering.

Enjoy G.[/QUOTE]10 k for 1 HR date -PHEW!- sure hope prices go down once we arrive to inject them all with semen vaccine in early 2022!

[QUOTE=Free2;2555041]10 k for 1 HR date -PHEW!- sure hope prices go down once we arrive to inject them all with semen vaccine in early 2022![/QUOTE]There are still girls holding out and, and perhaps getting, high prices. I had another refuse 3 k overnight, insisting on 3. 5/5 k for 3 hrs / LT. Maybe BS but she insisted she was still getting guys at those prices even sending photos of her meeting Johns.

She wasn't a model but but I found her hotter than the girl above using my preferences of nice tits held up by a tall slim frame. The IG girl was the typical glamour model with massive tits with curves. 3000 guys obviously like her and she is cross features on many Philippine glamour sites but I wouldn't pay mega bucks for her. Just my preferences 😁.

Don't worry though. Many 70 lb spinners still available by the pound when flights open.

Enjoy. G.

Hi, my name is Gofer and I'm a monger. It's been nearly two years since I have tasted Pina pussy.

At first, going cold turkey was easy. I thought I could develop other interests and possibly focus on other regions. However, the universe conspired against me and I'm still confined to this dry hell hole.

My first attempt at weening off the LBFM addiction was to limit myself to fascinating conversations online about doing laundry and cooking fried fish and rice breakfasts. This was successful in that hundreds of pinas did leave their WhatsApp number but ultimately numerous photos of (semi) naked pinas just fuelled my addiction.

It was then that I descended into lying about actually being in various cities if the Philippines. To sort the pinas into who would just chat and who would actually meet later, I set up numerous dates, backing out at the last minute. I was going on up to 5 hypothetical dates per day. It appeared that the vast majority of girls were indeed ready to meet, not just talk about it. Many would suffer many of my cancellations or no shows and still be prepared to drop around at short notice. Many are still hounding me about when they can come around to demonstrate their cum gargling skills.

The Pinas have ranged from high priced IG models through to Tondo waifs and everything in between. Some that stick out have been numerous gorgeous promo and cosmetic counter girls who are now jobless and need a dick to suck, a Wanchai cage dancer who is happy to make hay while Franz is locked out and many Plain Jane's who'se revenue streams have dried up.

In a few ISG group therapy sessions others have offered that I am not not in the wrong but instead resetting the balance after numerous other mongers have suffered through 4 hour waits, no shows and bait and switches. It's refreshing that I can offer these guys some justice and restitution.

I would like to kick my addictions but fear going cold turkey is just not working. I may be confined to mom's basement until she turns off the WiFi or I can get a ticket back to paradise, which ever occurs first.

Stay safe. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555851]Hi, my name is Gofer and I'm a monger. It's been nearly two years since I have tasted Pina pussy.

At first, going cold turkey was easy. I thought I could develop other interests and possibly focus on other regions. However, the universe conspired against me and I'm still confined to this dry hell hole.

My first attempt at weening off the LBFM addiction was to limit myself to fascinating conversations online about doing laundry and cooking fried fish and rice breakfasts. This was successful in that hundreds of pinas did leave their WhatsApp number but ultimately numerous photos of (semi) naked pinas just fuelled my addiction.

It was then that I descended into lying about actually being in various cities if the Philippines. To sort the pinas into who would just chat and who would actually meet later, I set up numerous dates, backing out at the last minute. I was going on up to 5 hypothetical dates per day. It appeared that the vast majority of girls were indeed ready to meet, not just talk about it. Many would suffer many of my cancellations or no shows and still be prepared to drop around at short notice. Many are still hounding me about when they can come around to demonstrate their cum gargling skills.

The Pinas have ranged from high priced IG models through to Tondo waifs and everything in between. Some that stick out have been numerous gorgeous promo and cosmetic counter girls who are now jobless and need a dick to suck, a Wanchai cage dancer who is happy to make hay while Franz is locked out and many Plain Jane's who'se revenue streams have dried up.

In a few ISG group therapy sessions others have offered that I am not not in the wrong but instead resetting the balance after numerous other mongers have suffered through 4 hour waits, no shows and bait and switches. It's refreshing that I can offer these guys some justice and restitution.

I would like to kick my addictions but fear going cold turkey is just not working. I may be confined to mom's basement until she turns off the WiFi or I can get a ticket back to paradise, which ever occurs first.

Stay safe. G.[/QUOTE]Not to worry. There are plenty of lying mongers here to form a group for therapy. Problem is most are in denial. As you know the first step is admission.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555851]Hi, my name is Gofer and I'm a monger. It's been nearly two years since I have tasted Pina pussy.[/QUOTE]The group chants: "Hi Go". Group leader: "Good to have you here today Gofer. Two years, my God"!

Westy says: Keep it clean. Wash your toys both before and after use.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2533848]Well said, Sir. I would welcome your advice.

As an avid hater of winter I am planning my future winter getaways. So far I have had to bring my own companion on my short trips close to home such as DR and Mexico. I'm wanting to plan a 3 to 5 month long trip to PI for next winter. I'm hoping to find an affectionate Pina for those months without drama. I'm interested in 40+ with good English skills. I don't have the libido I once did and consider that a blessing but I'm not looking for platonic either. Ideally a live-in at a reasonably upscale place to act as guide, cook, fun companion, and affectionate lover. And then say goodbye at the end of March when I return home. Perhaps to return the following year. I'm using SA successfully in the US when I travel.[/QUOTE]It's actually challenging to find a decent looking woman 40+ here. It would be much easier to find someone in the 25-35 age bracket, even if you are 70+.

To say I am ready is an understatement. Started chatting on DIA and OyOy lining up girls for my November trip (to be on the safe side hoping everything will be open by then) . Plan is Istanbul (maybe sightseeing only), Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok.

So far,

1. Manila girl who sent me many pictures and wants me to stay at her apartment in Makati. Very pretty probably high end escort girl out if a job. I will add couple of her pics.

2. Couple of more from Taguig, couple from pasay.

3. An virgin girl in Cebu picture below. Says she is mine.

4. Few more young ones ready to stay with me and have fun.

5. Two province girls from Thailand want to stay with me. Not much luck getting more Thai normal girls on dating sites for fun only.

Hoping to have a blast after being grounded for two years by that time.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2561852]T3. An virgin girl in Cebu picture below. Says she is mine..[/QUOTE]Sorry Sammon she is mine LOL And likely anyone elses who visits Cebu. One monger friend has at least 50+ girlfriends all saying they love him only LOL.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2561852]To say I am ready is an understatement. Started chatting on DIA and OyOy lining up girls for my November trip (to be on the safe side hoping everything will be open by then) . Plan is Istanbul (maybe sightseeing only), Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok.

So far,

Hoping to have a blast after being grounded for two years by that time.[/QUOTE]1. Ya got to be careful what you say on DIA to you get booted.

2. November? Can't see it happening. These lockdowns are going to roll on and on and poor countries will be off limits for ages.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2562013]Sorry Sammon she is mine LOL And likely anyone elses who visits Cebu. One monger friend has at least 50+ girlfriends all saying they love him only LOL.[/QUOTE]No one has asked but I'm wondering which one is the pretty one who could be a high class escort? As all I see are 4 overweight plain janes who would be lucky to score 1000 p ST. No wonder why they say that 'porigners' like 'exotic' and not beautiful women.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2561694]It's actually challenging to find a decent looking woman 40+ here. It would be much easier to find someone in the 25-35 age bracket, even if you are 70+.[/QUOTE]A minor correction:

It would be much easier to find SEVERAL in the 25-35 age bracket.

I tried the hooker on a holiday deal for a few weeks and found it better to rotate them out as I get bored or they get burdensome.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2561694]It's actually challenging to find a decent looking woman 40+ here. It would be much easier to find someone in the 25-35 age bracket, even if you are 70+.[/QUOTE]I rather have 2 20 year olds together. Ohh. I have done that a few times!

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2533848]Well said, Sir. I would welcome your advice.

As an avid hater of winter I am planning my future winter getaways. So far I have had to bring my own companion on my short trips close to home such as DR and Mexico. I'm wanting to plan a 3 to 5 month long trip to PI for next winter. I'm hoping to find an affectionate Pina for those months without drama. I'm interested in 40+ with good English skills. I don't have the libido I once did and consider that a blessing but I'm not looking for platonic either. Ideally a live-in at a reasonably upscale place to act as guide, cook, fun companion, and affectionate lover. And then say goodbye at the end of March when I return home. Perhaps to return the following year. I'm using SA successfully in the US when I travel.[/QUOTE]It's hard to get an answer about 40+ girls, it always winds up with the comments that you received, or, there are no attractive girls in Phil above 25. The answers are correct, however, in that no matter what your age, there are plenty of 20 somethings available. And, probably most girls looking for foreigners probably age faster, but not all of them. I usually stop in Manila first, make trips to La cafe and similar joints, then try to hook up in each city I visit. For the traveling girls, or ones that I want to spend a few days with, I usually end up with early 30's. My last trip, I picked a girl from LA cafe, she told me she was 40. I was very surprised, she look much younger. I had another in her 40's from Havana that was attractive. I didn't ask the age before the session, it didn't matter.

I had a PM from someone when posing the question about 40-50 year olds, he had some luck in this range. My last trip, I did a facetime with a 50 year old with a great body, but her sister took over the call. Not as attractive, wanted me to bring both to the beach, I declined. I see lot's of attractive 40+ on the dating sites, but I would make sure that I did some video chat beforehand, many use older pictures.

Anyway, most of the answers you will get here are mongers bragging about banging 20 somethings. Not exactly a hard thing to achieve in the Phil. I get it, but most of those commenting are probably getting wanked in their home country by 60 year old massage "therapists". Anyway, If you have luck with the older gals, please post.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2562013]Sorry Sammon she is mine LOL And likely anyone elses who visits Cebu. One monger friend has at least 50+ girlfriends all saying they love him only LOL.[/QUOTE]Problem always for a visitor is attention span for new girls is short. They want here and now. So many I lost contact after all things agreed.

As for virgin I have had few over the years. Not sure about this particular one. She is going back and forth about giving it up for me knowing I do not want long term relationship.

I am not the guy to have multiple girls a day. Prefer a good one to enjoy and have fun, travel etc. I still have some previous ones but being a monger tendency is to look for new ones. If none work out I use them as back up although those girls are older now. Some tried to bring new girls to meet me but the problem in Cebu is very few have authentic I. D. Many have openly said they are underage but it is okay. Not okay for me. In Manila most seem to have good I. D.

Not sure if I will try to go to Angeles. However everything is up in the air because of current restrictions.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2561852]To say I am ready is an understatement. Started chatting on DIA and OyOy lining up girls for my November trip (to be on the safe side hoping everything will be open by then) . Plan is Istanbul (maybe sightseeing only), Manila, Cebu, Pattaya, Bangkok..[/QUOTE]I find it hard to believe that they will be in the same situation in 5 months, that you can keep them engaged / o nthe hook for that long without action.

You are opening yourself up for demands for cash (which you will rightly decline) but those requests / declines will lead to a deterioration in your plans with then. You also have to juggle them and the new additions for 5 months.

How long has it taken you to put together this list? Consider working backwards from your departure date and just start Date. X days.

Once upon a time, DIA was the go to dating app for the Phil s. That changed a few years ago when they introduced draconian tules to constrain messaging and boot off anyone they dislike. Does anyone know any tips on how to avoid this? If not what in your opinion are the best dating sites for Pinays?

Filipinocupid.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2604422]Once upon a time, DIA was the go to dating app for the Phil s. That changed a few years ago when they introduced draconian tules to constrain messaging and boot off anyone they dislike. Does anyone know any tips on how to avoid this? If not what in your opinion are the best dating sites for Pinays?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2604422] If not what in your opinion are the best dating sites for Pinays?[/QUOTE]In increasing order of quality and price:

Pinalove; Filipine Cupid; Tinder; Instagram; Seeking Arrangement.

Facebook is still widely used but it takes time and is not point and shoot.

You will need a WhatsApp account to chat away from the apps.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2604422]Once upon a time, DIA was the go to dating app for the Phil s. That changed a few years ago when they introduced draconian tules to constrain messaging and boot off anyone they dislike. Does anyone know any tips on how to avoid this? If not what in your opinion are the best dating sites for Pinays?[/QUOTE]I have been in Dateinasia ever since they opened. I have met and enjoyed many girls and in fact that and her sister site oyoy were the only I use. Both are free.

I got booted out twice. Once because I was extra nasty to a ladyboy who pretended to be a real girl after many messages. Second one was because I was explicit about sexual matters to a young girl.

Opened new e mail accounts, altered my picture and got back in.

1. Be nice to transgenders. Just politely say you are not into it and wish them good luck.

2. If somebody annoys you block them immediately. Also file complaint if they beg for money. Do not ignore. This way you get points if someone complains about you. Pre-empt.

3. If you like someone ask them for their messenger, Skype, WhatsApp etc so that you can chat with them and there you can discuss anything. Do not talk about sex in dateinasia. For a while a warning used to come saying people have bad intentions if they ask for other forms of communication. Not anymore. Once you chat there you can ask about sex, remuneration etc. If they do not like dump them.

4. Do not mention, age, ask about their family, work etc. Do not offer money.

Have fun. There are plenty of good looking young girls there who I prefer. Success rate about getting into their pants is about 20 percent.

I have had some real beautiful girls, very GFE types etc.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2604900]I have been in Dateinasia ever since they opened. I have met and enjoyed many girls and in fact that and her sister site oyoy were the only I use. Both are free.
[/QUOTE]Sammon, clear out your Inbox.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2604900]I have been in Dateinasia ever since they opened. I have met and enjoyed many girls and in fact that and her sister site oyoy were the only I use. Both are free.

I got booted out twice. Once because I was extra nasty to a ladyboy who pretended to be a real girl after many messages. Second one was because I was explicit about sexual matters to a young girl.

Opened new e mail accounts, altered my picture and got back in.

1. Be nice to transgenders. Just politely say you are not into it and wish them good luck.

2. If somebody annoys you block them immediately. Also file complaint if they beg for money. Do not ignore. This way you get points if someone complains about you. Pre-empt.

3. If you like someone ask them for their messenger, Skype, WhatsApp etc so that you can chat with them and there you can discuss anything. Do not talk about sex in dateinasia. For a while a warning used to come saying people have bad intentions if they ask for other forms of communication. Not anymore. Once you chat there you can ask about sex, remuneration etc. If they do not like dump them.[/QUOTE]This is very good advice. About 10 years ago, I first visited Manila and used DIA. I found that 1/10 girls would agree to spend the night with me before our first meet up (I was uninterested in any first dates that resulted in coffee, chit-chat and a promise of a second date because of time constraints). However, I got kicked off of DIA my last day in Manila when I was in a rush to find a girl before my plane left. I simply asked her to come to my hotel for "naughty fun" and the next thing I knew, I was expelled. I had to get a new phone number and new email address to get back in. I did it again in almost the same way the next year, and again I had to get a new phone number and email account to get back in.

But now, I can use Viber or WhatsApp (in truth, I never learned how to use Viber correctly so I mostly use WhatsApp) and on my last trip to Makati in January 2020, I would quickly divert all conversations there.

I did an "experiment" back in 2011 or so that I reported on here (before I got kicked off the first time). I asked about a large number of girls to spend the night with me and make love. I basically introduced myself to them, and on the second message came out and stated my intentions. It took about an hour to do this and I had about 10% say yes immediately, and another 10% showed enough interest that they continued the conversation without committing to sex. About 25% never responded to my first query and the rest either never responded to the request for sex or told me to get lost. Then, as I mentioned above, DIA expelled me that trip. One of the female members probably complained. My experience in 2020 convinced me that the odds of finding a willing sex partner using DIA have not changed appreciably.

Although I have no similar experiment with pinalove, it is clearly more difficult to get expelled if one is a paid member (perhaps it is impossible). I used the sister site Thaifriendly in Bangkok in 2020 (as a paid member) and, while it was not nearly as easy to find a date as DIA, I could be explicit and suffered no consequences. I never offered money on Thaifriendly, but only stated that I am "a generous man". Moving onto LineID was still a strategy that I used very effectively. I also used Tinder in Bangkok, but was rapidly expelled because I thought it was permitted to be explicit. Live and learn!

I have concluded that non pros, semi pros and pros are easy to find on these dating web sites. A date that includes explicit plans can be arranged within 15 minutes (and at most an hour). Moving quickly to WhatsApp or another phone App gets around all of the problems of authoritarian website moderators.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2607550]

Although I have no similar experiment with pinalove, it is clearly more difficult to get expelled if one is a paid member (perhaps it is impossible).[/QUOTE]Correct. Whether you indeed to do the acts or not, one way to quickly sort the willing is to ask very explicit questions. I quite often do this towards the end of a trip, already have numerous numbers and don't have time or willingness to play mind games. Asking the price of bareback anal will not have any repercussions from PinaLove.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2607550]This is very good advice. About 10 years ago, I first visited Manila and used DIA....[/QUOTE]I got kicked out of DIA about 10 years ago. I have since used facebook and now Facebook groups as my hunting ground.

It's such a waste that we have all of our Filipina dating tips on standby waiting to unleash as soon as those borders open to horny sex tourists.

As well as the standard dating sites, which I don't currently have profiles as I start on those 1 week prior to arrival.

I've been building an instagram profile with a growing selection of filipina. I don't bother to post anything at the moment, a few randoms pics. My strategy will be to start posting local Manila / Cebu / Locanto adventures as soon as I'm on the ground.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned tagged in the recent discussions. Though not officially a dating site it de facto operates as one.

[QUOTE=OlderAndWiser;2608187]I'm surprised no one has mentioned tagged in the recent discussions. Though not officially a dating site it de facto operates as one.[/QUOTE]Compared to Pinalove though, Tagged has faded for me.

I would mention it. It has served me so well for so long since 2010 I think. Have had good hookups in Zurich, HK, AC, Cebu, Manila, Dubai, Bahrain, Singapore and even here in Brisbane.

I haven't mentioned it because it is so patchy here in Brisbane. I also found it was becoming less reliable in Philippines. But I would certainly include it in my app portfolio.

Also, I notice Tagged has made it hard to contact the hot girls. More often I was getting "this user is super popular" or something. Even on profiles that had been inactive for months when I was testing what that message meant.

Not sure what forum to post this. In regards to gents paying girls for cam time, this article. Its possible to take it too far.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-admits-selling-company-laptops-122000-paying-female-livestreamers-072941939.html[/URL]

From the article:

[I]A man misappropriated 17 laptops from his workplace and bought 40 others in his companys name to sell [B]in order to gift the monies to female online live streamers[/B], according to his lawyer.

Chen Weizhou, 34, pleaded guilty to one count of criminal breach of trust as an employee and two counts of cheating. One count of accessing a database without authority, in order to continue his ruse of buying the laptops, will be considered for his sentencing. The affected laptops are worth more than $122,000.[/I]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2613564]Not sure what forum to post this. In regards to gents paying girls for cam time, this article. Its possible to take it too far.

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-admits-selling-company-laptops-122000-paying-female-livestreamers-072941939.html[/URL]

From the article:

A man misappropriated 17 laptops from his workplace and bought 40 others in his companys name to sell [B]in order to gift the monies to female online live streamers[/B], according to his lawyer.

[/QUOTE]A tad misdirected by Mr Chen. I think it was Mr E who first pointed out the insanity of expressing one's love for the girls by buying them phones etc [B] that they can use to contact more John's. [/B]. 🤦.

Over the last day PL has had free chatting. No this member is popular please buy a subscription.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2619076]Over the last day PL has had free chatting. No this member is popular please buy a subscription.[/QUOTE]It has had "free chatting" for a long time. But you are allowed one message every 10 minutes.

Some of those "popular members" can't be accessed free off the website, but are freely available on phone apps (or v / v). Have had similar experience with girls who "no longer exist" or who have "blocked me".

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2619336]It has had "free chatting" for a long time. But you are allowed one message every 10 minutes.

Some of those "popular members" can't be accessed free off the website, but are freely available on phone apps (or v / v). Have had similar experience with girls who "no longer exist" or who have "blocked me".[/QUOTE]Virtually every girl has automatically been a popular member and blocked from message though there was always a workaround. On the Pinalove app they just don't show in the search.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2613717]A tad misdirected by Mr Chen. I think it was Mr E who first pointed out the insanity of expressing one's love for the girls by buying them phones etc [B] that they can use to contact more John's. [/B]..[/QUOTE]Yeah, just a tad. LOL!

I just paid the subscription with PL. I even did not upload the photos. I could get at least 10 contacts now.

One need to be careful about the age though. I now a days put minimum of age 20 + to filter through.

This is a message for the old timer mongers to the Philippines. Now we haven't had internet chat rooms per se for over 20 years and everyone I know stopped writing letters with a pen and paper 30 years ago. Therefore the title of this thread is a little outdated.

Do the older Philippines veterans remember the times they were actually in those virtual chat rooms chatting with Filipinas who might have been at a Internet cafe? After meeting them in the general chat area, did you guys then take the more heated sexual discussions to the private chat room? How did it work? Did you then tell them to meet you at a certain date / time / place to fuck them? Not too many Filipinas had phones back then, so how did it all work?

As for actual pen pals, did any of you mongers actually correspond with Filipinas by snail mail? I've heard of mongers marrying Filipinas after a sending them two letters, hence the term mail order bride. Did you find these Filipinas through a dating agency in your own country? I'm thinking for a mongering holiday, it would have been too easy to just go to the bars back then.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2630301]As for actual pen pals, did any of you mongers actually correspond with Filipinas by snail mail? I've heard of mongers marrying Filipinas after a sending them two letters, hence the term mail order bride. Did you find these Filipinas through a dating agency in your own country? I'm thinking for a mongering holiday, it would have been too easy to just go to the bars back then.[/QUOTE]Not the PI but I can remember offering the girls translation services for love letters that they received. Many were from hopeless romantics that were including cash to 'keep them out of the bar'. Most seem to have met in bars and continued from there while John was back home. One guy did sweep up and marry a hard core bar girl after I took her on a 2 week holiday. I think it was a combination of jealousy and saviour complex on his part.

Remember that mongering was far less plentiful then. No discount airfares made travel much more expensive and harder to organise. Most were either expats or vets.

That reminds me when I met a beautiful lady researching her history thesis. On events I was directly involved in.

1. I met women through Yahoo Chat at the turn of the century. I later met them in actual Internet cafes, which is an industry in decline.

2. Before that, there were brokers with huge books full of profiles on mail order brides. They would advertise through the sleazy red tops.

3. There will always be ample supply. Heck, some guys here even married their hos. The dick pic freaks, who knows?

4. I did send snail mail with a 0% success / response rate. I had much higher success in Europe.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2630301]This is a message for the old timer mongers to the Philippines. Now we haven't had internet chat rooms per se for over 20 years and everyone I know stopped writing letters with a pen and paper 30 years ago. Therefore the title of this thread is a little outdated.

Do the older Philippines veterans remember the times they were actually in those virtual chat rooms chatting with Filipinas who might have been at a Internet cafe? After meeting them in the general chat area, did you guys then take the more heated sexual discussions to the private chat room? How did it work? Did you then tell them to meet you at a certain date / time / place to fuck them? Not too many Filipinas had phones back then, so how did it all work?

As for actual pen pals, did any of you mongers actually correspond with Filipinas by snail mail? I've heard of mongers marrying Filipinas after a sending them two letters, hence the term mail order bride. Did you find these Filipinas through a dating agency in your own country? I'm thinking for a mongering holiday, it would have been too easy to just go to the bars back then.[/QUOTE]

It must be very bad in PH after the typhoon.

I am now getting tons of offers for cam show in pina, even without asking to connect.

Some of them they don't even know what a cam show is, and they think is just talking.

They are very surprise when I tell them what it means. Any other with similar experiences?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2630841]That reminds me when I met a beautiful lady researching her history thesis. On events I was directly involved in.

2. Before that, there were brokers with huge books full of profiles on mail order brides. They would advertise through the sleazy red tops.

[/QUOTE]One of those publications was called 'Cherry Blossoms" that had something like a year book photo of the girl with a number, and you sent a check or money order with that number and you would get the address. Reminds me of that old movie from the 90's "Island of My Filipina Dream Girls" or something like that.

Wow how things have changed!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2641503]One of those publications was called 'Cherry Blossoms" that had something like a year book photo of the girl with a number, and you sent a check or money order with that number and you would get the address. Reminds me of that old movie from the 90's "Island of My Filipina Dream Girls" or something like that.

Wow how things have changed![/QUOTE]As late as 2019, I was introduced to a gent who believed that Filipina mail-order brides were still a thing. He mentioned his days traveling around the world meeting girls from the old catalogue of pics and description. When I mentioned that wasn't done anymore, he loudly (in a restaurant) called "Bullsh*t!" And: "I can get a Filipina from a catalogue and have her here in a month's time on a marriage visa". Really. Here in Illinois? "Yes"!

Living in the past. However, there are still websites offering island tours for Flipina brides: [URL]https://islandladies.com/[/URL].

See pic, and red arrow. They have scheduled an upcoming tour for January 20,2022. I am wondering how many times in the past 18 months they have pushed back that date. Bold.

Westie,

Perhaps you're not aware of the TV show, "90 Day Fiance. " I don't watch it, but from a friend who does watch I've heard that various episodes involve Filipinas.

[URL]https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/90-day-fiance/about[/URL]

Now would be good time not to contact Filipinas. They will only hit you up for Christmas money.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2641611]As late as 2019, I was introduced to a gent who believed that Filipina mail-order brides were still a thing. He mentioned his days traveling around the world meeting girls from the old catalogue of pics and description. When I mentioned that wasn't done anymore, he loudly (in a restaurant) called "Bullsh*t!" And: "I can get a Filipina from a catalogue and have her here in a month's time on a marriage visa". Really. Here in Illinois? "Yes"!

Living in the past. However, there are still websites offering island tours for Flipina brides: [URL]https://islandladies.com/[/URL].

See pic, and red arrow. They have scheduled an upcoming tour for January 20,2022. I am wondering how many times in the past 18 months they have pushed back that date. Bold.[/QUOTE]You know some of the "Do Gooders" will flag your visa and passport ad report you for going overseas for sex tourism. Heck depending on what organization you work for, as you have seen with some FBI agents who recently got busted for buying hookers on an overseas trip, you traffic in person, you get busted. Yet, it's ok to Bugger another man!

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2641770]Now would be good time not to contact Filipinas. They will only hit you up for Christmas money.[/QUOTE]Too late, one hit me up to help with her light bill and then later sent me a picture and video of her dancing in a costume she just got with her aerobics dance group. If you got a few pesos to do that, you probably don't need my help paying your electric bill.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2641886]You know some of the "Do Gooders" will flag your visa and passport ad report you for going overseas for sex tourism. [/QUOTE]Who doesn't go overseas with a view to hooking up with somebody? It's the old biological itch. Then, too, there are places where prostitution is legal. I don't think that the FBI will try to prosecute someone for diddling a Canadian pro or for that matter a Vegas ho when she is working legally.

I don't think there is any problem with leaving the country to get laid. The problem is when the girl is under age.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2641886]You know some of the "Do Gooders" will flag your visa and passport ad report you for going overseas for sex tourism. Heck depending on what organization you work for, as you have seen with some FBI agents who recently got busted for buying hookers on an overseas trip, you traffic in person, you get busted. Yet, it's ok to Bugger another man![/QUOTE]

I'm with The Rose on this. It's not clear what you mean by do-gooders, but if you mean NGO workers, I don't think they care about individuals like us. They care about trafficking systems.

My only experiences in which my visa matters is with immigration officials asking me why I was in the Philippines when I return. I tell them I was there on business, and I give them just enough description of my work to get a nod from the official. I can't imagine immigration officials caring about individual sex tourists. They care about intercepting illegal immigrants and those who traffic in people, money, gems, drugs, and so on. I could be wrong; if anybody has evidence that's different than this, I would alter my travel behaviors.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2642012]I can't imagine immigration officials caring about individual sex tourists. They care about intercepting illegal immigrants and those who traffic in people, money, gems, drugs, and so on. I could be wrong; if anybody has evidence that's different than this, I would alter my travel behaviors.[/QUOTE]You are not wrong, but many mongers are paranoid and think that someone is watching them.

Started chatting with lots of girls for my April trip to Manila, Cebu and maybe Angeles.

Many of the girls have lost their jobs in cities and have gone back to their provinces. I used to import girls from provinces but this trip decided against it. Main reason is I have a back up of previous providers who although getting older still wants to be with me. Me being after fresh young pussies have not committed to see old regulars.

General observation is young girls readily agree to stay with me in the beginning. My dating site is exclusively DIA. Once the chat is moved to social apps money demands come for this and that. I refuse and surprised how sneaky they are telling me lots of people send money before meeting. I would like to meet these guys and give them a lecture in mongering LOL. My usual excuse is I like giving cash only so that there is no paper trail. The girls have answer to that also saying I can use my friend, she can use her friend etc to transfer money. One girl from provinces telling me to send money for flights, new clothes, new shoes etc. I told her I will come and pick her up. After that she gave me a lecture how sex before marriage is not right. I told her asking for money before sex is not right either. It is fun to argue with them especially if they go off script. Angeles girls are easiest. They seem to know the deal.

However so far I have got about ten girls ready to stay with me. We will see.

I forget where you live but it is not just so called do gooders. If you visit monger friendly places like SE Asia, it can and will be used against you if you if you have any sort of public profile, or simply have personal enemies.

1. Public Profile: If media get hold of it (through your enemies) , you risk being accused of all sorts of things. When you are explaining, you are losing. I am aware of high profile folk who got into trouble this way. It could be they just wanted to go to Phuket or wherever to be anonymous, get drunk etc but that doesn't sell in Peoria or wherever.

2. Personal Enemies: They can use your visits in a whispering campaign or tipping the cops off. Normally, cops should arrest them for time wasting but the new cop model is to follow up online hate crimes (calling names) and hassling you would help fill their work quota with no downside.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2641886]You know some of the "Do Gooders" will flag your visa and passport ad report you for going overseas for sex tourism. Heck depending on what organization you work for, as you have seen with some FBI agents who recently got busted for buying hookers on an overseas trip, you traffic in person, you get busted. Yet, it's ok to Bugger another man![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon;2665215]Started chatting with lots of girls for my April trip to Manila, Cebu and maybe Angeles.

Many of the girls have lost their jobs in cities and have gone back to their provinces. I used to import girls from provinces but this trip decided against it. Main reason is I have a back up of previous providers who although getting older still wants to be with me. Me being after fresh young pussies have not committed to see old regulars.

General observation is young girls readily agree to stay with me in the beginning. My dating site is exclusively DIA. Once the chat is moved to social apps money demands come for this and that. I refuse and surprised how sneaky they are telling me lots of people send money before meeting. I would like to meet these guys and give them a lecture in mongering LOL. My usual excuse is I like giving cash only so that there is no paper trail. The girls have answer to that also saying I can use my friend, she can use her friend etc to transfer money. One girl from provinces telling me to send money for flights, new clothes, new shoes etc. I told her I will come and pick her up. After that she gave me a lecture how sex before marriage is not right. I told her asking for money before sex is not right either. It is fun to argue with them especially if they go off script. Angeles girls are easiest. They seem to know the deal.

However so far I have got about ten girls ready to stay with me. We will see.[/QUOTE]Yeah with the lifting of some of the travel restrictions, the attitude of online chatting is taking on a new meaning. We may have inflation in the US for things, but I think for the PI in terms of Mongering it will be a buyers market. I admit, I did the chat / gifting thing during the dark days (a fool and his money.), I had a little extra to play with and did, but now that I'm preparing myself for a trip next month to the PI I've taken a different attitude. There is one I'm supposedly going to see that I did spend a little extra for, and to be honest I'll give her one chance to meet, and if I get the "sick sister, niece, etc.) I'll simply move on since it's her loss not mine. There are plenty more to choose from. I've been looking at Massage Republic, Smooci, and other escort sites now, putting out feelers for those who have contact information and letting them know when I will arrive, and going from there. Much easier for an old man like me to at least prepay for service than hang out in the evenings at the local hot spots to basically do the same thing.

For the ones from the other sites like Tagged, Meet Me, DIA as they used to say "It's Show Time" now! For everyone who said if only you can meet me I'll do right by you now is the time that opportunity is coming true and you can see which ones are really going to come through. I think they are starting to realize that since some of the ones I know seem to be asking more and more for a gift from those sites since people have stopped giving as much in anticipation for making trips.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2665215]I refuse and surprised how sneaky they are telling me lots of people send money before meeting.[/QUOTE]I saw one girls paypal account. She is clearing P190,000 from mongers that will never see her in person.

In preparation for a late April trip to Cebu, I'm doing the Facebook thing. Mainly just adding girls. Planning to post ythr Airport and Cebu landmark selfies when I get there, see what comes out of the woodwork. I'm planning at least two months in PI so I can play the long game.

Chatting to one cute little 19 year old spinner. Pics looked too good to be true, but we've videocalled.

Yesterday, she messages me that her period is late. Oh, when did you last have sex? Last month. Condom? No, but he not cum inside.

She's getting a pregnancy test.

Wondering what the scam is here? Support my baby? Preparing me for when I turn up and she's 3+ months pregnant? Genuine?

Either way, I know she's down for bareback.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2672907]Wondering what the scam is here? Support my baby? Preparing me for when I turn up and she's 3+ months pregnant? Genuine?

Either way, I know she's down for bareback.[/QUOTE]She's 19 and unlikely to be super regular or even tracking her period. So, how late is 'late'?

Good strategy on the FB posting.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2672907]She's getting a pregnancy test. Wondering what the scam is here? Support my baby? [/QUOTE]Quite possibly not a scam, she might just be filling you in on what is happening in her life. Pregnancy (or possible preggers) is a pretty big deal for her.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2672907]Preparing me for when I turn up and she's 3+ months pregnant? Genuine?[/QUOTE]That's a fair bet. Also quite possible that she has a pinoy boyfie and she meets foreigners sometimes (or wants to, with the blessing of boyfie). This way she can meet you with a baby bump, tell you that her no-good BF ran off, earn some pesos, and return home after you are gone to feed the boyfie or her fam.

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[QUOTE=JJanni;2672907]In preparation for a late April trip to Cebu, I'm doing the Facebook thing. Mainly just adding girls. Planning to post ythr Airport and Cebu landmark selfies when I get there, see what comes out of the woodwork. I'm planning at least two months in PI so I can play the long game.

Chatting to one cute little 19 year old spinner. Pics looked too good to be true, but we've videocalled.

Yesterday, she messages me that her period is late. Oh, when did you last have sex? Last month. Condom? No, but he not cum inside.

She's getting a pregnancy test.

Wondering what the scam is here? Support my baby? Preparing me for when I turn up and she's 3+ months pregnant? Genuine?

Either way, I know she's down for bareback.[/QUOTE]No if it is a scam she will only tell you after you leave you made her pregnant. You need to tell her it is going to be P4 P and if she does not like it you look for another girl.

Money demands are always there from Philippine girls whether you just chatted them online or you fucked her few times and still keep in touch. There are hundreds of excuses as we all know. A true monger pays for fucking. Otherwise it is a charitable donation.

I had a similar situation. This girl from around Cebu started chatting. All plans arranged. After she came to the room she said she cannot have sex with me because her gynecologist told her. Complete surprise to me. I asked her why she did not tell me she is pregnant. She said she really wanted to be with me and afraid of me saying no. I let her stay one night just cuddling and playing with her nice boobs. She did some BBJ. Next morning I told her she has to go. I told her I come on vacation for sex. Anyway she left with some money. After that money demands came. I blocked her.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2665341]I saw one girls paypal account. She is clearing P190,000 from mongers that will never see her in person.[/QUOTE]In that case, how are they mongers?

[QUOTE=JJanni;2672907]Yesterday, she messages me that her period is late. Oh, when did you last have sex? Last month. Condom? No, but he not cum inside. Either way, I know she's down for bareback.[/QUOTE]Either way you know she is down for bareback with someone else. YMMV.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673080]In that case, how are they mongers?[/QUOTE]Horny guys sitting on their computers in their home country thinking they are sponsoring their special girl that they will visit.

They do not yet know she won't be seeing them.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2673053] I had a similar situation. This girl from around Cebu started chatting. All plans arranged. After she came to the room she said she cannot have sex with me because her gynecologist told her. Complete surprise to me. I asked her why she did not tell me she is pregnant. She said she really wanted to be with me and afraid of me saying no. I let her stay one night just cuddling and playing with her nice boobs. She did some BBJ.[/QUOTE]Well, at least her dentist didn't tell her not to give BJ's. Just curious, did her proctologist say she couldn't do anal?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2673192]Horny guys sitting on their computers in their home country thinking they are sponsoring their special girl that they will visit.

They do not yet know she won't be seeing them.[/QUOTE]Mongers pay money to fuck hookers. What you are talking about is just a guy that sends money to a chick. Where I am from that is called a cake daddy or paymaster. That is not the definition of a horrmonger.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2673247]Mongers pay money to fuck hookers. What you are talking about is just a guy that sends money to a chick. Where I am from that is called a cake daddy or paymaster. That is not the definition of a horrmonger.[/QUOTE]Sounds interesting. Hope to her more about this.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2641239]It must be very bad in PH after the typhoon.

I am now getting tons of offers for cam show in pina, even without asking to connect.

Some of them they don't even know what a cam show is, and they think is just talking.

They are very surprise when I tell them what it means. Any other with similar experiences?[/QUOTE]I was here in the Philippines when Typhoon Odette hit on Dec 16, 2021. Here in southern Cebu, it was widespread devastation. The house where I stay had half the roof ripped off, plus two walls. My room was missing three walls and a roof. I have neighbors whose homes were flattened. This was after two years of Covid bullshit and economic shutdowns. So things are bad now.

In preparing for an April visit, I started re-kindling a few old flames. In the space of a few days, one girl had exhausted her entire list on me.

A) salary hadn't come through from employer, needed a loan until payday.

B) now has dengue and is in hospital, P40 k bill.

C) out of hospital but brother had a stroke and needs treatment.

Other girls were more receptive and will have them on standby for future plans. As usual though no point in planning with them too far in advance.

Do you ever have the excuse, they come to meet you but they come with another girl (which most of the times is older, not a beauty) and they say the dr told her she can't have sex but she brought her friend / cousin / sister who has kids and can fullfill instead of her. I called them the honeypot, I just pass and move to the next one.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2678140]In preparing for an April visit, I started re-kindling a few old flames. In the space of a few days, one girl had exhausted her entire list on me.

A) salary hadn't come through from employer, needed a loan until payday.

B) now has dengue and is in hospital, P40 k bill.

C) out of hospital but brother had a stroke and needs treatment.

Other girls were more receptive and will have them on standby for future plans. As usual though no point in planning with them too far in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2679697]Do you ever have the excuse, they come to meet you but they come with another girl (which most of the times is older, not a beauty) and they say the dr told her she can't have sex but she brought her friend / cousin / sister who has kids and can fullfill instead of her. I called them the honeypot, I just pass and move to the next one.[/QUOTE]It's pretty normal to arrive with a cousin in tow, though usually it's prewarned. Personally, I'm fine with it.

Never had "you can't fuck me but you can fuck her" on a first meet. Many have recommended cousins later.

I've had these a few times:

"I won't sleep with you on a first date but next time is ok".

"You want to sleep with both of us?

"I don't do XXX speciality but she does".

Cousin stays for a few minutes and after confirming I'm not a psycho either disappears or waits outside / in the CR.

It's more fun in the Philippines. 😁.

P. S. Once in Davao the girl was so ugly that I wouldn't fuck her so told me to wait while she summoned her friend. Friend was even worse so I fucked no one.

A night to be avoided. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2679835]P. S. Once in Davao the girl was so ugly that I wouldn't fuck her so told me to wait while she summoned her friend. Friend was even worse so I fucked no one.

A night to be avoided. 😁.[/QUOTE]A two-bagger? A butterface?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2679833]Cousin stays for a few minutes and after confirming I'm not a psycho either disappears or waits outside / in the CR..[/QUOTE]This is a standard practice. Initially in my early years in Cebu I would always avoid this suggestion thinking it was just a way to get free meals then they go both disappear. Then I stopped the meal suggestions and just met at a coffee casual place.

The first one I did his was at UCC Coffee at Ayala Mall Cebu. Closest to Marriott where I was staying. Girl arrived with tall well dressed LB. LB didn't do anything for me but it did mean that my girl had a reliable cover story at home and was able to dress up to go out together. We had the coffee, the cousins exchanged visaya conversation and the LB made an excuse to leave. Girl spent the night with me.

Other versions of this I got paraded in front of some aunties in Manila when I took a trike to collect a girl. When my trike arrived her place, she got me out of trike and into the family house where the aunties were siting. Made some small talk, yes I will look after this 21 year old university student, yes, I'm a good man etc etc. Got out of there and had my way with their prized niece.

As Ph is opening up, it is worth remembering all of these old events and not to be bothered by cultural norms.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2679838]A butterface?[/QUOTE]A butter-everything. Add in a look of sheer terror when her girlfriend, my initial date, turned up with a random old white guy for her to fuck, and it was obvious that the night was going nowhere.

Those girls who have never been with a foreigner do bring friend, cousin, aunty etc for the first meeting. Sometimes if the girl is desirable after chatting online I do allow it. Meeting will always be outside at a mall. So it is easy for me to bail out in case there is no prospect of intimacy. Sometimes it has worked. I have gotten both girls to come to my room and have fun. Usually one girl hides in the bathroom but never both in the bed me. At night sleeping between them and I had sex with each while the other pretends to be fast asleep.

If the girl asks to meet outside it is not a bad thing. It shows she is not a seasoned pro. Generally I chat cam to cam many times where she starts to trust me and will come to my hotel. Even then some wants to meet outside and need to be escorted in to the hotel. They do not want to be perceived as easy girls by the hotel employees.

Although it has not happened to me there are reports of girls using guys to host dinner for the whole family and leaving the guy empty handed. One time a girl wanted me to meet her family at mall of Asia. She introduced her mother and the mother asked me few questions. Girl and the mother talked and then the girl wanted me to walk with her family. At that point bailed out saying I have urgent business to attend to.

Mongering is all about the learning curve. Overthinking has no value. Play the game and see you can get ahead without being scammed.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2679847]

Other versions of this I got paraded in front of some aunties in Manila when I took a trike to collect a girl. When my trike arrived her place, she got me out of trike and into the family house where the aunties were siting. Made some small talk, yes I will look after this 21 year old university student, yes, I'm a good man etc etc. Got out of there and had my way with their prized niece.

[/QUOTE]I've also had the opposite happen. Go to the province to meet the fam. Our bags get dumped in the only real bedroom in the house. Small talk for 5 minutes with all and sundry. Then everyone conveniently disappears for an urgent meeting at grandma's next door. Girlie demands to express her thanks for coming. Declining is not an option.

I've only been rapedd a couple of times but that was one of the better ones. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2679910]I've also had the opposite happen. Go to the province to meet the fam. Our bags get dumped in the only real bedroom in the house. Small talk for 5 minutes with all and sundry. Then everyone conveniently disappears for an urgent meeting at grandma's next door. Girlie demands to express her thanks for coming. Declining is not an option.

I've only been rapedd a couple of times but that was one of the better ones.[/QUOTE]We do love the culture and the understanding of what needs to be done to maintain harmony and the peso flowing out of our wallets to theirs.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2680272]We do love the culture and the understanding of what needs to be done to maintain harmony and the peso flowing out of our wallets to theirs.[/QUOTE]Harmony. Pesos. And vaccine, too. Wink 😁.

I've been chatting up this Muslim girl from Mindanao. She looks conservative (wears hijab) but is very flirty in the chats. I'm intrigued if only for the novelty factor. I'd bring her to Manila, not visit her there. Anyone have any experience? Is the hijab just for show and will she put out. She is a single mom so no virgin here. What say ye all?

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680429]I've been chatting up this Muslim girl from Mindanao. She looks conservative (wears hijab) but is very flirty in the chats. I'm intrigued if only for the novelty factor. I'd bring her to Manila, not visit her there. Anyone have any experience? Is the hijab just for show and will she put out. She is a single mom so no virgin here. What say ye all?[/QUOTE]When you say "bring her to Manila", how much do you plan to invest to fly her out? I'm in a similar yet different situation. Girl from CDO wants to see me when I go to Cebu. She's hot enough that I think it's worth the investment since it's so cheap to fly. In your case: the hijab doesn't mean it's a nun's habit. Muslim or not, they will definitely put out. I've been through Indonesia where they wear hijabs and are Muslim and it's never meant anything when it comes time to get in the sheets. I say do it!

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2680479]When you say "bring her to Manila", how much do you plan to invest to fly her out? I'm in a similar yet different situation. Girl from CDO wants to see me when I go to Cebu. She's hot enough that I think it's worth the investment since it's so cheap to fly. In your case: the hijab doesn't mean it's a nun's habit. Muslim or not, they will definitely put out. I've been through Indonesia where they wear hijabs and are Muslim and it's never meant anything when it comes time to get in the sheets. I say do it![/QUOTE]I'd agree that the hijab wouldn't worry me either way. However, she may be more relaxed and out going away from prying eyes and gossips back in her home town. Walking around with a foreigner or pulling on a bikini at the pool may be more comfortable for her away from home.

What's to stop you or Expat visiting her? While some areas of Mindanao are no go areas for us, many towns have a lot to offer and a local guide around Davao, CDO or Surigao could make a fun few days.

Obviously, be very wary of the old send me money for airfares first scam. Mindanao features prominently in these as it's far from where westerners typically visit or live.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680429]I've been chatting up this Muslim girl from Mindanao. She looks conservative (wears hijab) but is very flirty in the chats. I'm intrigued if only for the novelty factor. I'd bring her to Manila, not visit her there. Anyone have any experience? Is the hijab just for show and will she put out. She is a single mom so no virgin here. What say ye all?[/QUOTE]Girl is a girl. It does not matter what religion, ethnicity, poor or rich. Single mothers in Philippines (There are lots) will jump into bed with no problems. Just because she wears a Hijab does not mean anything. She will wear it only where she lives. She will not wear if she is in Manila. I have had my share of Muslim women. I had couple who I met at the shawarma place near LACafe. They were from Mindanao came to Manila to attend interviews for a job in Middle East. I was eating alone and they were at the next table. Small talk ensued and ultimately they came with me to my room. I was staying at Bayview Park hotel.

Some Muslims like you find in Dubai, Beirut and Iran look exotic compared to Philippine Muslims. I have brought a virgin girl from Mindanao few years ago just because she is a virgin. Flights in Philippines are cheap if you so choose. Do not send money for the ticket. Only book and send ticket. One girl who I sent ticket to tried to cancel to get refund. Ofcourse she was not successful. Airline sent a message to me. I cancelled and got refund.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2680533]...Just because she wears a Hijab does not mean anything. She will wear it only where she lives. She will not wear if she is in Manila.

Some Muslims like you find in Dubai, Beirut and Iran look exotic compared to Philippine Muslims....[/QUOTE]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it Saudi Air that's famous for a beekeeper stepping on the plane and a bikini model stepping off at Heathrow? 😳.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2680553]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it Saudi Air that's famous for a beekeeper stepping on the plane and a bikini model stepping off at Heathrow? 😳.[/QUOTE]Yes, Saudi Arabia was very strict before Salman loosened laws.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2680479]When you say "bring her to Manila", how much do you plan to invest to fly her out? I'm in a similar yet different situation. Girl from CDO wants to see me when I go to Cebu. She's hot enough that I think it's worth the investment since it's so cheap to fly. In your case: the hijab doesn't mean it's a nun's habit. Muslim or not, they will definitely put out. I've been through Indonesia where they wear hijabs and are Muslim and it's never meant anything when it comes time to get in the sheets. I say do it![/QUOTE]Fights from Mindano to Manila are only 3000 peso round trip. So minimum expense. I'm getting the feeling she will put out but I'm not asking the question directly yet. The trip is in May so there is time to warm her up some more I think.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680784]Fights from Mindano to Manila are only 3000 peso round trip. So minimum expense. I'm getting the feeling she will put out but I'm not asking the question directly yet. The trip is in May so there is time to warm her up some more I think.[/QUOTE]Concur. Girls willing to travel (whether her dime or yours) are doing so with the knowledge that they will be sleeping with you. But to avoid any confusion before you buy that plane ticket, be somewhat explicit and ask her if she is ok with lovemaking. If she balks at that, its time to stop wasting time and move on. Don't leave it to chance.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680784]Fights from Mindano to Manila are only 3000 peso round trip. So minimum expense. I'm getting the feeling she will put out but I'm not asking the question directly yet. The trip is in May so there is time to warm her up some more I think.[/QUOTE]With the girl I'm talking to (and her aunt), I will be flying in her from CDO. Just an FYI before you buy a ticket. Make sure they have ID to be able to get onto the flight in the first place. I just found out last night she does not have proper ID (just school ID which she lost). When I researched it apparently the airlines will allow someone on with photo school ID (I was surprised), however I have told her to the postal ID (which can take up to 30 days) to get and costs about 500 php.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680784]I'm getting the feeling she will put out but I'm not asking the question directly yet. The trip is in May so there is time to warm her up some more I think.[/QUOTE]You mean to say you made all these plans and did not mention to her that you are flying her to Manila for sex?

That is the first thing I do when I get them to chat on social sites. If they say they are not like that or any stupid shit reason not to have sex with me I dump them. Once they say they agree for sex then the plans can be made about how much per day etc. I always make sure amount is agreed before so that the girl does not think I am paying 10000 pesos per day. To tell you the truth such amount has been requested by a Japanese karaoke hostess working in Manila very pretty cam to cam. I told her I am not Japanese LOL. Finally we agreed for 3000 and the covid hit.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680429]I've been chatting up this Muslim girl from Mindanao. She looks conservative (wears hijab) but is very flirty in the chats. I'm intrigued if only for the novelty factor. I'd bring her to Manila, not visit her there. Anyone have any experience? Is the hijab just for show and will she put out. She is a single mom so no virgin here. What say ye all?[/QUOTE]A little Russian roulette. Sounds like fun to me! As long as you aren't staying at the Makati Peninsula in late May, go for it!

[QUOTE=Sammon;2680840]You mean to say you made all these plans and did not mention to her that you are flying her to Manila for sex?

[/QUOTE]+1. There is no need to insult the girl before meeting but intentions do need to be clear. This also leads into practical questions that Expat wants to cover off to prevent any disappointment on either side: will you be getting married at the end of your stay? Will she be on her period for 5 days of that week? Etc.

Remember that all pinas are notoriously unreliable so, despite best intentions, there are 100 ways a preplanned meeting could fall apart. Have a backup plan.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2680817]With the girl I'm talking to (and her aunt), I will be flying in her from CDO. Just an FYI before you buy a ticket. Make sure they have ID to be able to get onto the flight in the first place. I just found out last night she does not have proper ID (just school ID which she lost). When I researched it apparently the airlines will allow someone on with photo school ID (I was surprised), however I have told her to the postal ID (which can take up to 30 days) to get and costs about 500 php.[/QUOTE]Always say I need to see a copy of the ID before you buy the ticket.

For my upcoming trip I have an option to fly in a girl from the provinces for a few days. I like to keep this as an option and I will make a final decision in the final week at which time I'll buy a one way fare. That leaves me with an option as to how soon to send her home. The reason I am considering this option is that a) she has not had kids, still great body, b) saves me having to hunt around on the first night if she meets me on arrival.

At this stage I am still holding off on dating apps until 1-2 weeks prior to arrival.

Anyway can't wait.

Some posters have talked about meeting tiktok Filipinas. What is the methodology for creating a list of potentials via tiktok.

I'm over 30 years old so do not understand the app. But would like to fuck 21 year old dancers.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2680840]You mean to say you made all these plans and did not mention to her that you are flying her to Manila for sex?

That is the first thing I do when I get them to chat on social sites. If they say they are not like that or any stupid shit reason not to have sex with me I dump them. Once they say they agree for sex then the plans can be made about how much per day etc. I always make sure amount is agreed before so that the girl does not think I am paying 10000 pesos per day. To tell you the truth such amount has been requested by a Japanese karaoke hostess working in Manila very pretty cam to cam. I told her I am not Japanese LOL. Finally we agreed for 3000 and the covid hit.[/QUOTE]I plan to make it clear before I meet her that sex is required. I was not planning to offer her money for it upfront (she doesn't strike me as a non pro and hasnt told me any sad stories) but will give her a gift at the end anyways. I just meant I was going to warm her up for a bit before broaching sex. But really, any girl who will get on a plane and fly to stay in a hotel with a guy knows what will happen.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680995]I plan to make it clear before I meet her that sex is required. I was not planning to offer her money for it upfront (But really, any girl who will get on a plane and fly to stay in a hotel with a guy knows what will happen.[/QUOTE]With philipinas it is open question. Sometimes even girls with kids come across as two day old virgins. Many times they say they are looking for marriage. Granted, most girls in the world do want stable life wherein guy takes care of her and her kids. Especially so in Philippines.

Unless you are planning to get serious and playing romance game it is better to openly express your demands.

Money has to be given in Philippines. Single mothers always need money. Giving silly gifts is not good. Some girls are shy about asking for money. But be generous. Do not take advantage of poor girls. Many girls say it is up to you when broaching money matter.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2681048]

Unless you are planning to get serious and playing romance game it is better to openly express your demands.

Money has to be given in Philippines. Single mothers always need money. Giving silly gifts is not good. Some girls are shy about asking for money. But be generous. Do not take advantage of poor girls. Many girls say it is up to you when broaching money matter.[/QUOTE]#1: Totally agree. Nothing worse than guys, at best, leading girls on or, at worst, outright lying to them about romantic intentions just to get her into bed. 1/ it's a dickhead move and 2/ it's totally unnecessary. (Note: I'm not suggesting that was Expat's intentions). RANT OFF 😁.

#2:. Sort of. There are girls out there who are insulted when offered cash and give honest refusals and girls that only want true taxi fare ('00's not '000's of pesos). Occasionally this is part of a long term play but it's often genuine. I'd agree in the vast majority of cases when payment or 'gifts' are appropriate then be generous.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2680995]I plan to make it clear before I meet her that sex is required. I was not planning to offer her money for it upfront (she doesn't strike me as a non pro and hasnt told me any sad stories) but will give her a gift at the end anyways. I just meant I was going to warm her up for a bit before broaching sex. But really, any girl who will get on a plane and fly to stay in a hotel with a guy knows what will happen.[/QUOTE]There are some girls that will get on a plane to meet a prospective BF and not KNOW what is going to happen. Especially an innocent girl on a dating site looking for love.

Do not make assumptions. Make it clear and known what your expectations are and what her's are up front.

As stated all girls are in need of money for survival and daily needs. Major reason why they are on the dating site is for survival and a BF taking care of them equals love. Pass the money discreetly and face saving. Insisting it is a gift.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2681069]There are some girls that will get on a plane to meet a prospective BF and not KNOW what is going to happen. Especially an innocent girl on a dating site looking for love.

Do not make assumptions. Make it clear and known what your expectations are and what her's are up front.

As stated all girls are in need of money for survival and daily needs. Major reason why they are on the dating site is for survival and a BF taking care of them equals love. Pass the money discreetly and face saving. Insisting it is a gift.[/QUOTE]I plan to visit in June. Talked to a girl from Tacloban if she wants to meet in Manila, I have been chatting with her on and off for 6 months. She said yes then 4 hrs later she said her mother said no. I wasn't seriously expecting her to come but she has a nice hot figure so worth asking at least.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2681078]I plan to visit in June. Talked to a girl from Tacloban if she wants to meet in Manila, I have been chatting with her on and off for 6 months. She said yes then 4 hrs later she said her mother said no. I wasn't seriously expecting her to come but she has a nice hot figure so worth asking at least.[/QUOTE]I'm in that area pass along the contact details.

I have had less luck on these apps than usual this trip, I have had better luck cruising the barangays in person and picking up newly single moms and single girls.

I don't know if its due to the influx of guys that are not serious and are sending money to these girls basically incel / beta / simps that have been totally cut off from any interaction with women so these women have seem to be flooded with disingenuous flirtation.

I think these girls have kind of given up on these dating apps as there hasnt been a large influx of tourists and as they are not in country they seem less interested even if I state that I am in country ready to drop a few pesos on them.

I did manage to land a few off Dateisasia this round but far fewer than I usually do. Like I said I have had better luck this time around actually walking the street and talking to people in and around the barangays just being open with them that I'm looking for single women. You would be surprised at the extremely high quality that is just sitting there with no load waiting for a break and "support". These kind of girls I don't actually PAY persay I usually buy them phones after a week or so, or buy a TV ect. I of course provide a budget for food and hair ect. So in-essence I do not pay these girls a FEE like I do in AC its more I provide living essentials that is well over their usually quality of life. In good faith however I do tend to leave them with an amount I deem as fair depending on the length of time we spend together minus the gifts I outlaid. All said and done I budget about 2000 a day and if I haven't given her gifts that amount to that much I total the amount at the end of out time together and send them off with a sometimes sizable tip. Not a bad deal for GFE and unlimited amounts of sex imo. These apps are still viable but less and less so as time goes on at least in my case.

Looks like we pretty much have the same approach.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2681694]I have had less luck on these apps than usual this trip, I have had better luck cruising the barangays in person and picking up newly single moms and single girls.

I don't know if its due to the influx of guys that are not serious and are sending money to these girls basically incel / beta / simps that have been totally cut off from any interaction with women so these women have seem to be flooded with disingenuous flirtation.

I think these girls have kind of given up on these dating apps as there hasnt been a large influx of tourists and as they are not in country they seem less interested even if I state that I am in country ready to drop a few pesos on them.

I did manage to land a few off Dateisasia this round but far fewer than I usually do. Like I said I have had better luck this time around actually walking the street and talking to people in and around the barangays just being open with them that I'm looking for single women. You would be surprised at the extremely high quality that is just sitting there with no load waiting for a break and "support". These kind of girls I don't actually PAY persay I usually buy them phones after a week or so, or buy a TV ect. I of course provide a budget for food and hair ect. So in-essence I do not pay these girls a FEE like I do in AC its more I provide living essentials that is well over their usually quality of life. In good faith however I do tend to leave them with an amount I deem as fair depending on the length of time we spend together minus the gifts I outlaid. All said and done I budget about 2000 a day and if I haven't given her gifts that amount to that much I total the amount at the end of out time together and send them off with a sometimes sizable tip. Not a bad deal for GFE and unlimited amounts of sex imo. These apps are still viable but less and less so as time goes on at least in my case.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Transporter;2681853]Looks like we pretty much have the same approach.[/QUOTE]Instead of quoting MontanaMonger's story which is just the next scroll-down, could I respectfully suggest you just snip relevant parts (like Westcoast). Otherwise you are just chogging up the board with your one-liner plus quote.

I am corresponding with a pleasant fraudster, most likely Nigerian, pretending to be a Cypriot but using Italian email. She says she can't reply at once as she has to return home to use her computer, IE no phone, not that I asked. Poor fraudster has lost her job in a holiday resort due to Covid but that resort should be packed now with Europeans pouring into it.

As every day is a school day, I am dutifully playing along but waiting for the foot fall (is that what you say in who dunnits?) So what are her options and this game of 4 in a line (I don't think she would be up to chess, or checkers for that matter).

1. Need phone to deepen our relationship.

2. Plane ticket.

3. Needs to transfer sudden $$ into my account.

4. Sick cat / mother / neighbor / pimp.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2683609]I am corresponding with a pleasant fraudster, most likely Nigerian, pretending to be a Cypriot but using Italian email. She says she can't reply at once as she has to return home to use her computer, IE no phone, not that I asked. Poor fraudster has lost her job in a holiday resort due to Covid but that resort should be packed now with Europeans pouring into it.

As every day is a school day, I am dutifully playing along but waiting for the foot fall (is that what you say in who dunnits?) So what are her options and this game of 4 in a line (I don't think she would be up to chess, or checkers for that matter).

1. Need phone to deepen our relationship.

2. Plane ticket.

3. Needs to transfer sudden $$ into my account.

4. Sick cat / mother / neighbor / pimp.[/QUOTE]Worst is a girl claiming she has not eaten for a month. That must be longest to survive without food. Even Muslims during Ramadan eat their hearts content at night.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2683685]Worst is a girl claiming she has not eaten for a month. That must be longest to survive without food. Even Muslims during Ramadan eat their hearts content at night.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Alas, this lady's parents are both dead. She lives alone, even though she does not work. She hopes there is a white knight, I, on the Meseta, perhaps near La Mancha, where Don Quixote saved (non Nigerian) damsels in times gone by. I am intrigued by no phone. I look forward to seeing how she intends to ask for money (if she does).

I am also impressed by the ability of Nigerians to learn the names of minor Mediterranean resorts. Perhaps the Nigerian is Italian based, though I suspect they switch email addresses around.

There is a funny guy in Youtube, Robert Browning, I think he calls himself. He is a menace to Indian IT scammers as he reverse engineers their conneciton and screws up their machines. I think they have a bounty out on him.

The online Romance scam was, I believe, invented by a Pinay.

It seems the love of my life has no phone. She spent the last few days with her aunt (I hope, for my bank balance, she is well) and remarked that she could not reply as she was not home where she has Internet but no job or family.

I'd imagine she needs a new smart phone but I do wosh she would put more effort into scamming me.

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2683609]I am corresponding with a pleasant fraudster, I am dutifully playing along but waiting for the foot fall (is that what you say in who dunnits?)
1. Need phone to deepen our relationship.

2. Plane ticket.

3. Needs to transfer sudden $$ into my account.

4. Sick cat / mother / neighbor / pimp.[/QUOTE]

Talking to a Pinay on Facebook. Good girl.

Poor. From the provinces. Never met a foreigner. Only one pinoy boyfriend.

Sends me a picture taken of her (not a selfie) in a hotel room.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2684391]Never met a foreigner..[/QUOTE]Maybe she does not regard the entire US 7th Fleet as foreigners. My own lady is moving too slowly. Two-three days and too banal.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2684391]Sends me a picture taken of her (not a selfie) in a hotel room.[/QUOTE]Filipinas will travel together and stay in nice hotels especially if their OFW relative arrives home and is paying. They will also pack 3-4 girls per room.

Of course they also stay with us when we are paying, so no discrimination there.

Checked email this morning. The scammer asks me how am I. I feel like replying that, as an ISG member, I need instant gratification and would she please get on with the scam as I haven't all day. If anyone knows what the word in crime novels for hearing the foot of the killer / detective land on the carpet, please tell me.

Though I am mildly interested in seeing how her trap works, I want her to get on with it. She now calls me "love" but this is not dating in Sicily after World War 2. We need some urgency in this.

A thought occurred to me that this might be some ISG nutter amusing himself by stringing along mugs. I once put a fake ad in for an experiment but I had to withdraw it after a few hours as I was flooded with replies. Hookers tell me the amount of dicks sending dick pics is unreal and the same goes for phone calls. I see it is as guys getting cheap thrills.

I find my counter surveillance good as I can spot many of the fake ads on locanto and similar sites. There is a very dark side to all of this and it is good to know of it and how to avoid it.

[QUOTE=JJanni;2684391]Talking to a Pinay on Facebook. Good girl.

Poor. From the provinces. Never met a foreigner. Only one pinoy boyfriend.

Sends me a picture taken of her (not a selfie) in a hotel room.[/QUOTE]Local boys do take them to hotel and resorts. Families do allow them to have boyfriends and to go with boyfriends. How do you think many Philippine girls have babies out of wedlock?

Families may not allow them to go stay with a foreigner. When I had flown in girls from province they usually lie saying they are visiting their friends, looking for a job or any other myriad reasons. Just like anywhere else friends are there to substantiate their story.

I broke my rule of not initiating any dating sites until closer to my arrival. In my spare time over Easter I had to peruse pinalove and saw one of my old flames was still on there and active.

I seems just about every decent profile is now considered "premium" and requires a subscription to contact. I coughed up the USD25 for a one month subscription and messaged her. I didn't hear from her but it did trigger a million other contacts. I'll give her a day to reply and then pause my profile as I don't want to be juggling all of these contacts until I'm there.

I really do not think I will get much work done while I'm there.

So, for the record, there is no need to hit any dating sites until just days prior to arrival.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2687516]

So, for the record, there is no need to hit any dating sites until just days prior to arrival.[/QUOTE]Even better: there is no need to hit any dating sites until you are in town.

"I'm shopping in SM. Let's meet after class" is much more reliable, successful and cheaper than "I'm in Nebraska, let's meet next week, if I arrive".

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2687915]Even better: there is no need to hit any dating sites until you are in town.

"I'm shopping in SM. Let's meet after class" is much more reliable, successful and cheaper than "I'm in Nebraska, let's meet next week, if I arrive"..[/QUOTE]I connected to the one I was wanting. I've taken my profile off line. I'm still thinking a couple of days gives me time to weed out the solid pros.

But, OMG, how sweet are the pinay, I had forgotten how pleasant the right ones are.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2687915]Even better: there is no need to hit any dating sites until you are in town.

"I'm shopping in SM. Let's meet after class" is much more reliable, successful and cheaper than "I'm in Nebraska, let's meet next week, if I arrive".[/QUOTE]Yeah. But a couple of days out you can lie and say you are already there. You can say you are busy in the next couple of days but will be free Thursday afternoon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2688038]Yeah. But a couple of days out you can lie and say you are already there. [/QUOTE]Great plan. And, of course, we have the ongoing grievance that Filipinas lie. Perhaps as Westerners we're entitled.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2688038]Yeah. But a couple of days out you can lie and say you are already there. You can say you are busy in the next couple of days but will be free Thursday afternoon.[/QUOTE]My preference is always to say I'm arriving a week later than actual. It's easier to pull one girl forward who will happily meet than it is to pushback / delay girls whom know you are giving other girls priority.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2688130]Great plan. And, of course, we have the ongoing grievance that Filipinas lie. Perhaps as Westerners we're entitled.[/QUOTE]They say all is fair in Lust And War or is it Love and War!

I was talking to a very pretty 18 year old girl.

Me- Do you want to stay with me when I come there.

She- Sure.

Me- How many days.

She- up to you.

Me- okay I will let you know the dates.

Fast forward few weeks.

Me- I am booked to come there on such and such a day. Can you meet me at airport so that that we can check in together.

She- I talked to my mother and she does not allow me to stay with men.

Me- we do not need to tell your mother. You had agreed before.

She- I tell everything to my mother.

Me- you are not a virgin right?

She- No.

Me- Then you told your mother how and when you lost your virginity?

She- I do not tell my mother that.

Me- Then you lied to your mother?

She- No. You are mean.

CLICK!

[QUOTE=Sammon;2688429]Me- Then you lied to your mother?

She- No. You are mean.[/QUOTE]The reason we love these girls is because of this logic. Hopefully you have a backup.

I recall one single mum tell me she had never slept with a man. Technically she was right because she had never 'slept' while with one of her many men / bfs / foreigners.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2688625]The reason we love these girls is because of this logic. Hopefully you have a backup.

I recall one single mum tell me she had never slept with a man. Technically she was right because she had never 'slept' while with one of her many men / bfs / foreigners.[/QUOTE]I've had many girls on the various websites' Most Popular lists tell me that I'm the first foreigner that they have chatted with.

I also had a girl in Sabang tell me that she was a newbie, in town for only a few days. The mamasan even backed up her story. They both did a double take when I asked her to go get her twin sister because she was a great fuck three years ago.

You can't take it personally. Mongerring is a lot like entering a parallel universe sometimes. 😃.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2688957]I've had many girls on the various websites' Most Popular lists tell me that I'm the first foreigner that they have chatted with.[/QUOTE]Another long weekend and I made the dating profile active for an hour, in that short time I line up an amazing 40 yo, no marriage, no kids, 5'0" degree qualified sweetie for a working evening date. Hmmm how mush of it will turn out, who knows. My target age group is 21-28 so I may not ever meet he 40 year ld.

I find that Filipina 30+ are looking for father material. 40+ they are definitely wanting overseas visa.

There are 3 in a row that I contacted for future trips.

All 3 claimed to be untouched and all 3 wish me to make them a baby.

Even if I not live with them in long term.

All college students, is that normal?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2690415]There are 3 in a row that I contacted for future trips. All 3 claimed to be untouched and all 3 wish me to make them a baby. Even if I not live with them in long term. All college students, is that normal?[/QUOTE]Yes it is true for women all over the world. And with a vasectomy I get to act like I am trying to make one with them.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2690415]There are 3 in a row that I contacted for future trips.

All 3 claimed to be untouched and all 3 wish me to make them a baby.

Even if I not live with them in long term.

All college students, is that normal?[/QUOTE]I had a Filipina use the exact same line with me this week. I have seen her before covid years and we did like each other. But if she is serious on the baby idea then I won't be meeting her.

I do have one thought bubble is that maybe, just maybe, girls with foreigner babies did better during the covid pandemic. Fathers continued to send money and support their sprogs whereas foreigner sponsors without baby connection were less generous. Now coming out of pandemic, if a girl can secure her future income with a foreigner baby, all the better for her. Easier than studying for three years.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2690415]There are 3 in a row that I contacted for future trips.

All 3 claimed to be untouched and all 3 wish me to make them a baby.

Even if I not live with them in long term.

All college students, is that normal?[/QUOTE]There are millions of abandoned kids and mother's throughout the Phillipines so the worst case scenario for her is that she ends up like all her friends and sisters, the best case is that a soft touch guy sends her monthly support and she lives happily ever after. There are also pie in the sky deams that John will bundle them up and bring them to Visa-land or that her hansom mixed kid will grow up to be a famous sopie star.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2690418]Yes it is true for women all over the world. And with a vasectomy I get to act like I am trying to make one with them.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have one tell me, that she got a kid from me, but when I told her about the vasectomy, she got so angry and then we broke.

Figures.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2690446]There are millions of abandoned kids and mother's throughout the Phillipines so the worst case scenario for her is that she ends up like all her friends and sisters, the best case is that a soft touch guy sends her monthly support and she lives happily ever after. There are also pie in the sky dreams that John will bundle them up and bring them to Visa-land or that her hansom mixed kid will grow up to be a famous sopie star.[/QUOTE]True. I support my son here in PI and pay for his mom's rent for a total of $250/ month. A lot for them but not much for me because I am living well in a dream house in a Philippine jungle mountain province on American retirement income. Eventually we will get all the paperwork together for his USA Citizenship and I would like him to live with my GF and I here in Valencia and go to school here through the university level. Meanwhile, I asked my big boobed 21 year old former Miss San Jose GF if she would go on birth control and she said no. So who knows maybe she will provide a sibling for my son. It's ok to me. Living in PI even raising kids is a fraction of the USA costs which continue to soar out of control. Even college is cheap here so I'm sending my GF back to school to finish her education degree in physical education because she will be a teacher. I also offered to send my son's mother in Pampanga to culinary school but she might be too lazy for that. Additionally, my 5 year old will be taking drum lessons and eventually xylophone while the GF will be taking private bass lessons from an older Filipino rocker who is in a good local rock band and likes to teach music on the side. After all, I have a complete music studio in my basement here for all my musician friends who visit and jam. I play rhythm guitar, background vocals, mostly 70's light rock. It's great fun as any musician knows. Mongering? Hell yes. Got to be discreet obviously preferably out of town and preferably off island. But that is what Angeles, Subic and Cebu are for! Roundtrip tix Duma to CEB to Clark is $120 on Cebu Pacificair.

[QUOTE=DCups;2690787]True. I support my son here in PI and pay for his mom's rent for a total of $250/ month. A lot for them but not much for me.... [/QUOTE]Settle down Tonto. You've just arrived. 😁.

I once saw a new expat arrive. The ink wasn't even dry on his contract and daughter gets enrolled in a flash private school, a pool is going into the back yard, mum is getting a new kitchen. It went on and on and on. Until work circumstances changed and his overseas contract wasnt renewed. Back home on a good but not great salary and now he has to pay for all the new stuff.

No offense, but I've seen many guys arrive and piss it away faster than they think, so take care.

Dad lecture over.

Cheers. G.

I received this schedule of prices for Video chats. I have no interested but the prices are more realistic than what I see being asked in USD.

P10 per minute.

The original poster mentioned that he lives on retirement income. So presumably he can plan for the indefinite future, allowing for inflation but not for "unemployment". Also, it appears that he lives in or outside Dumaguete, perhaps up in Valencia. (he says jungle mountain province, and that can be misleading, because there is a Mountain Province in Phs. , the only province with an English name.) Anyway, for that area $250 is just about right for single mother with small child--for her regular attention and service, that is. But those of us who have raised children anywhere know that they cost more every year. The best schools, even beginning kindergarten, in the Phs are comparable in cost to good private schools in the USA. And like them there are many financial demands in addition to tuition.

Speaking of schools, in-person or face-to-face classes are ramping up, with children due to return in a few weeks. Many MILFs, and also childless older sisters, are desperate to fund back-to-school supplies, shoes, and uniforms.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2690849]Settle down Tonto. You've just arrived. 😁.

I once saw a new expat arrive. The ink wasn't even dry on his contract and daughter gets enrolled in a flash private school, a pool is going into the back yard, mum is getting a new kitchen. It went on and on and on. Until work circumstances changed and his overseas contract wasnt renewed. Back home on a good but not great salary and now he has to pay for all the new stuff.

No offense, but I've seen many guys arrive and piss it away faster than they think, so take care.

Dad lecture over.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbea20;2690856]

Speaking of schools, in-person or face-to-face classes are ramping up, with children due to return in a few weeks. Many MILFs, and also childless older sisters, are desperate to fund back-to-school supplies, shoes, and uniforms.[/QUOTE]You're right. Mongers can benefit greatly from knowing the academic calendar. Accidently arriving in Cebu once, the week before exam season started, served me very well. ☺.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Cbea20;2690856]The original poster mentioned that he lives on retirement income. So presumably he can plan for the indefinite future, allowing for inflation but not for "unemployment". Also, it appears that he lives in or outside Dumaguete, perhaps up in Valencia. (he says jungle mountain province, and that can be misleading, because there is a Mountain Province in Phs. , the only province with an English name.) Anyway, for that area $250 is just about right for single mother with small child--for her regular attention and service, that is. But those of us who have raised children anywhere know that they cost more every year. The best schools, even beginning kindergarten, in the Phs are comparable in cost to good private schools in the USA. And like them there are many financial demands in addition to tuition.

Speaking of schools, in-person or face-to-face classes are ramping up, with children due to return in a few weeks. Many MILFs, and also childless older sisters, are desperate to fund back-to-school supplies, shoes, and uniforms.[/QUOTE]Correct on all counts, CB. Retired. Valencia. So far, costs have not been an issue to me considering I immigrated from California. Cheers. BTW, G, I am 66 and my new beau is 21, former Miss San Jose [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].

[QUOTE=Cbea20;2690856]Speaking of schools, in-person or face-to-face classes are ramping up, with children due to return in a few weeks. Many MILFs, and also childless older sisters, are desperate to fund back-to-school supplies, shoes, and uniforms.[/QUOTE]Great news for the gents. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2690932]You're right. Mongers can benefit greatly from knowing the academic calendar. Accidently arriving in Cebu once, the week before exam season started, served me very well. ☺.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]How to find the calendar year?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2691423]How to find the calendar year?[/QUOTE]Ask around or quiz online students when their next exams are.

Typically April and late Nov / early Dec. At least in Cebu.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2691423]How to find the calendar year?[/QUOTE]Visit any of the decent college web sites and find the academic year calendar.

Even by not doing that you will know soon enough via the chat.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2691539]Visit any of the decent college web sites and find the academic year calendar.

Even by not doing that you will know soon enough via the chat.[/QUOTE]It is a myth that college students only hook during exam time. There are some who hook all the time to support their lifestyle, tuition fees, accommodation rent, food etc. I have been with many and they always have needs. Many of them live alone and their hometowns are far. Not all will be available for foreigners. Local rich guys married or unmarried keep them as consorts and help them financially.

One girl who was staying with me asked me out of the blue if I want her friend. She told me her friend needs some quick money to pay bills. Who am I to say no. I said both of them can stay and have fun with me rest of my vacation for a generous amount.

So do not wrack your brains about best time to get college girls.

By the way have you ever noticed my target group of 18-30 girls all say they are in college? Who knows if they are really studying or come across as such.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2691542]It is a myth that college students only hook during exam time.....

By the way have you ever noticed my target group of 18-30 girls all say they are in college? Who knows if they are really studying or come across as such.[/QUOTE]1/ I'd agree that true students are on the hunt for funding twelve month a year. What I was suggesting was slightly different. Namely, that the exam times present an opportunity as it's a couple of times a year where many girls need a reasonable amount of pesos all at the same time, on top of their normal monthly expenses.

I'd regard it similar to the Christmas and Holy Week clamour for bus fares so that city girls can go home.

2/ Hahahaha. Many "students" I've met haven't seen an exercise book for a loooong time.

Girls are going to school and we are going scuba diving. Same-same cover stories. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

The best time to date a college girl is 'now'.

You can tell a legitimate college student by their adherence to an actual timetable. They are penalized if they miss classes. The online zoom equivalent is that they have to have their video camera on during classes so they can't slip out while classes are on. A bargirl / freelancer will skip a shift for peso but a student will be less likely to miss class.

I did turn on my dating profiles as part of the pre-arrival strategy.

As others have mentioned the time frame has really decreased now. I was overwhelmed with traffic, maybe because of my good looks, worldly insights, witty banter or more likely I'm just a male with money.

I turned off the profiles after one day.

From a documenting point of view I started a list for each city with name, phone, original dating link. Initial girls that looked promising were often knocked down the list by the next shinny object. Some have stayed on top by being sensible and witty.

Usual collection of gays, LBs, professionals that get ruled out from dating activities.

Many really genuine girls.

There is some reason to start some dating profile action in the days prior to arrival. It does provide a window to filter out the true professionals and get a feel for whom will be reliable.

In another observation after using these sites for 10+ years there are some high quality regular girls on there at the moment. I think COVID and lockdowns has pushed some girls to not wasting their romance life any more.

One 40 year old engineer, unmarried, no kids, tongue piercing, bolt-on boobs. The 40 yo is on now on my standby list as she's a little too 'pinay' nosey into my affairs.

One 28 year old medical grad, no kids, no pinoy BF. Interesting woman but she's going to be inexperienced in bedroom.

I have been winding down the filters to 21-26 yo which for me is the sweet spot for this trip. Any girl outside of an immediate travel zone of 10-20 kms is also ruled out.

After two years of western dating sites in my own country it is all such a nice relief.

Do any of you gentlemen know of or recommend a site to post an ad looking for P4P encounter?

I'm looking for a pregnant women. I know it is weird but it is a fantasy of mine. I'm not able to find any pregnant at the clubs, or escort sites so I was thinking about posting an ad searching for one.

If you have any recommendations for where to post in the NCR area I would love to know.

[QUOTE=KittyDoctor;2698081]Do any of you gentlemen know of or recommend a site to post an ad looking for P4P encounter?

I'm looking for a pregnant women. I know it is weird but it is a fantasy of mine. I'm not able to find any pregnant at the clubs, or escort sites so I was thinking about posting an ad searching for one.

If you have any recommendations for where to post in the NCR area I would love to know.[/QUOTE]I would put it on Tinder or Badoo on a fresh dedicated account for this purpose. Those two seem to have more location features which will help you with your filtering. Put what you want in the description. Obviously use some discretion but certainly list the pregnancy requirement.

If it's well worded, then you could also expect that a friend of a friend would pass on the details to the pregnant ones.

You might want to also express the number of months that you want.

I had one pregnant girl in Angeles but she was a call back to a previous meeting pre-pandemic. She is now 7 months pregnant which gave me the look and feeling I wanted.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2698177]I would put it on Tinder or Badoo on a fresh dedicated account for this purpose. Those two seem to have more location features which will help you with your filtering. Put what you want in the description. Obviously use some discretion but certainly list the pregnancy requirement.

[/QUOTE]Filipino Cupid also has pretty good filtering options and I've come across a few pregos. Might be worth a try to develop a profile saying your looking to support an expectant mother.

I'd agree that word will spread quickly amongst friends of friends especially if you are intown now.

Good luck. G.

Some of the stories that we get from the girls can be quite heart breaking. I'm really not sure if this is a story for money or sympathy or in fact a true event.

At the 5 month point of her pregnancy she took 4 x day after pills and forced herself to have a mis-carriage. Family delivered the dead foetus at home. She sent me a pic of that little person.

Whether she did that or made up the story for some kind of angle on me I will never know.

It does however remind us of what a tough life it can be in Ph when we scratch further than we need.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2702535]Some of the stories that we get from the girls can be quite heart breaking. I'm really not sure if this is a story for money or sympathy or in fact a true event.

At the 5 month point of her pregnancy she took 4 x day after pills and forced herself to have a mis-carriage. Family delivered the dead foetus at home. She sent me a pic of that little person.

Whether she did that or made up the story for some kind of angle on me I will never know.

It does however remind us of what a tough life it can be in Ph when we scratch further than we need.[/QUOTE]Not believable. She would know right away if she is pregnant not wait for 5 months unless the guy suddenly abandoned her. As much I know about Philippine girls, very few go for abortion. There are plenty of single girls with babies. Families also do not mind taking care of the baby. Photos can be done many ways. One time a girl sent me picture of supposedly dying father on bed. After few months she contacted me to see if I am in Philippines. Asked how her father is she said he was never sick. She has completely forgotten she sent me the picture. Another time a girl sent me a dead picture of her sister. But forgot about it later.

Everything they say should be taken in with a grain of salt.

Just stick to chat, meet and have fun. If you start sending money before meeting there will be more demands. After meeting if you like her you can support her from time to time.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2702756]
Everything they say should be taken in with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]Or maybe several.

A girl from Davao contacted me a couple weeks after our romantic rendezvous and claimed she was preggy with my baby. I always make notes of my conquests, and also I remembered having used condoms with her. I simply replied "no you're NOT preggy with my baby, remember I used condoms", to which she just replied "Oh OK!" and tried to casually continue the convo. Needless to say she was off my contact list.

This preggy thing is something they may try if they think they smell weakness. It's just a test. Better girls will not try to pull this shit on you, at least not knowingly.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2702535]Some of the stories that we get from the girls can be quite heart breaking. I'm really not sure if this is a story for money or sympathy or in fact a true event.

Whether she did that or made up the story for some kind of angle on me I will never know. It does however remind us of what a tough life it can be in Ph when we scratch further than we need.[/QUOTE]Tough life? Compared to what? Your life? They live it just fine. You can't miss what you never had. My car is a 1998. It gets me around fine, I keep it up, and have no problems with it. Yet there are probably people driving a 2022 Tesla having pity on me because I have to buy gas instead of plug my car in and my car does not drive itself. To tell the truth I do not even have a desire for a car as such and if someone gave me the money to buy one, I would spend it in other ways instead.

The point is not to pity someone that does not have what you have, especially when you do not see them out dying in the street and have no idea whether they even want what you have. And learn to think, "What the fuck does that have to do with me?

The most simple solution if you do not want to get pregnant is do not fuck. If you were fucking and got pregnant you knew the risks and whether or not you could afford to have a baby. I have no sympathy. Once again the old adage applies, "What the fuck that got to do with me?

[QUOTE=Sammon;2702756]Not believable. She would know right away if she is pregnant not wait for 5 months unless the guy suddenly abandoned her. As much I know about Philippine girls, very few go for abortion. There are plenty of single girls with babies.[/QUOTE]Yep I agree. The country is littered with unfathered babies so one more would not be too much to worry. Maybe the story works on someone whom is already sending her some money and she was just trying it on me.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2702535] She sent me a pic of that little person. [/QUOTE]I've been sent a pic of a fetus before. It's been awhile and I cannot remember the details of the story, but they were probably similar.

Other memorable pleas for "budget" include the picture of blood in a toilet (bloody stools. Talk about a turn off! Deceased relatives of all types, and the all-too-common no formula for baby (which of course now also happens to be a very American story as well!

One time a girl sent me a picture of what she said was her house on fire, it having supposedly burned down a few days earlier. Using details from the picture, I tracked down the location and then did a Google search with "fire" and "-place name-" and sure enough found the same picture on the front page of a local newspaper. From several years earlier! And of course a local newspaper not anywhere close to where my friend actually lived.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2702793] A girl from Davao contacted me a couple weeks after our romantic rendezvous and claimed she was preggy with my baby.[/QUOTE]I can one up you on that preggy story. 11 months after shagging a girl a few times over the course of a weekend, I get a call from her (and then her father!) saying that she has just given birth to my child. After clarifying to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding something (such is common in the PI) it was clear that baby was four days old and that they really believed it was mine. Now I don't know about you guys, but eleven months of gestation, even in the Phils, seems a bit much to me! Later I saw baby on FB and confirmed it looked nothing like me (it was "pure Filipino", as they say).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702795]"What the fuck does that have to do with me?" [/QUOTE]Finally, let me just say that while I may not be as credulous as AsianPursuits, I'm also not as callous as Mr Enternational. I enjoy pipelining. In fact it's one of my primary forms of entertainment outside of work, especially when I have a trip on the books. In doing so I truly am trying to develop meaningful friendships with the ladies that I ultimately hope to bed. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't (develop true friendships, or bed them), but I don't find it that hard to afford them a modicum of sympathy (and even respect for their entrepreneurial nerve), even when I don't believe their stories for a second.

My standard response: "I'm so sorry to hear that. I hear similar stories from so many of my friends there in the Philippines. I wish I could help everyone. Maybe when I see you next I will be able to help just a little so that things can be better. " Almost always such a response is met with understanding and respect and it preserves the possibility of both of us accomplishing our desired ends down the line in a way that "What the fuck does that have to do with me?" might not. Being kind doesn't really cost me anything. Pinays are good women and I for one don't want bitterness to harden them into the monstrosities that are many Western women.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2702535]Some of the stories that we get from the girls can be quite heart breaking. I'm really not sure if this is a story for money or sympathy or in fact a true event.

At the 5 month point of her pregnancy she took 4 x day after pills and forced herself to have a mis-carriage. Family delivered the dead foetus at home. She sent me a pic of that little person.

Whether she did that or made up the story for some kind of angle on me I will never know.

It does however remind us of what a tough life it can be in Ph when we scratch further than we need.[/QUOTE]Thats why I usually break up with and block the girl once I leave the PI. Don't want to deal with any stories later.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10959651/Southwest-passenger-Detroit-Denver-flight-Airdrops-photo-GENITALS-board.html[/URL]

Look at this American clown, air dropping an entire plane a video of himself getting a blow job. Though this American idiot obviously does not care about rules and laws, why do so many men send pictures of their dicks? Check out pinaylove etc, so many women say: don't send dick pics, as they are inundated with spammers and potential rapists flooding them with same.

What is it with perverts?

[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2713750][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10959651/Southwest-passenger-Detroit-Denver-flight-Airdrops-photo-GENITALS-board.html[/URL]

Look at this American clown, air dropping an entire plane a video of himself getting a blow job. Though this American idiot obviously does not care about rules and laws, why do so many men send pictures of their dicks? Check out pinaylove etc, so many women say: don't send dick pics, as they are inundated with spammers and potential rapists flooding them with same.

What is it with perverts?[/QUOTE]How is this really relevant to Philippines thread?

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2702535]At the 5 month point of her pregnancy she took 4 x day after pills and forced herself to have a mis-carriage. Family delivered the dead foetus at home. She sent me a pic of that little person.

Whether she did that or made up the story for some kind of angle on me I will never know.[/QUOTE]Maybe some of that shit is true, except I still can not see them announcing something they are supposed to be ashamed of.

"6 Filipina women a day die from complications following unsafe abortions, it is estimated."

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jul/04/abortion-pills-facebook-filipina-women-philippines[/URL]

Am I the only one who is being bombarded by spam invitations from DR girls on the Philippine hook up aps?

Many, many DR girls on FilCupid for some reason. Even their location is shown as the DR??

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2714775]How is this really relevant to Philippines thread?[/QUOTE]Is.

Most of these chat groups are populated by male perverts who post pictures of their dicks. Many women say they don't want to see them but still the perverts persist. The reality is those sites attract an inordinate amount of perverts and I would like to know why, and why do Americans break the law by flashing their dicks to passengers on planes. I take it you are American. This thread is a good place to find such answers.

I see many folk here mocking the single moms who go out and sell themselves for their kids or who are just trying to nab a meal ticket, some lecherous American with a drooping dick. IMHO, those women are much greater people than the perverts, who also must be understood (and avoided).

Someone is asking about DR, Dominican Republic (I guess that is just Nigerians scamming all round. Although the love scam, catching perverts flashing their dicks is a Pinay invention and a nasty one at that, as it tends to honeytrap the young and gullible rather than ISG posters.

I was with two Pinays the day before yesterday, who had secured their meal tickets, one in Northern Spain and one in Andalusia. One was pretty, one was not. Simple women, simple dreams. Not into dicks being flashed at them. Not into me either but that is ok, as there is no accounting for taste. Or mad Americans who flash their dicks on planes.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2719452]Am I the only one who is being bombarded by spam invitations from DR girls on the Philippine hook up aps?

Many, many DR girls on FilCupid for some reason. Even their location is shown as the DR??[/QUOTE]Well there are also Filipinas in PI on LatinAmericanCupid. Of course it is a scam because they usually only have 1 picture posted.

So far two connections, requesting I help them invest online, ask me to donate money to her account.

LOL.

And they promise to stay with me when I visit PH.

Hahaha, new ways to get your money I guess.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2724768]
Hahaha, new ways to get your money I guess.[/QUOTE]I am surprised that we haven't seen mentions of financial requests for the 27 July earthquake yet.

I have an ex-wg contact that I know now lives in the north in Laoag. Although I am interested to know if she was impacted yesterday there is no point in asking as I know it's a question that will cost me P10,000 in earthquake relief.

Today, I got contacted by someone using another girl sim.

She told me bought the sim and that it has many forieigners numbers that can help her by her giving cam.

I feel like I m being traded it hahahahaha.

Just setup a new account as per previous visits.

When I try to message anyone it asks for photo verification. That's new. Usually I use a generic profile pic.

Seems I will have to cough up for a paid account at some point.

After three days the photo verification requirement went away. So now I can free PL messaging is still a thing.

In the large provincial city where I will be visiting, there are 29 girls actively logging into PL each day. Let's say half of them are tyre kickers, of the remaining profiles half may not like me leaving me with a potential shortlist of 7 hotties.

I did a fake girls profile to check out the competition. There is one male profile in the search results for this city, just lonely me.

That's enough research for me to know things haven't changed and I should get a good response when I am serious.

I'm going to delete this profile and start again a few days before I arrive. I will pay a subscription at that time.

I have historically had good success with Tagged. My same profile there is mainly attracting the crypto scammers. Many profiles come up with the "You can't message, this profile is too popular right now". I know that is just annoying method for the site to encourage subscriptions.

Maybe Tagged is on the wane.

[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/syandreaPH[/URL]

What do you think guys?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2743750][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/syandreaPH[/URL]

What do you think guys?[/QUOTE]Even through normal girls you will get referrals. The only reason this person is offering referrals is because they will be getting a cut.

BUT re-consider why you are on PL. In my case the reason I use PL is for a GFE and mini-romance. A referral from a Pimp. V2 is cross purpose.

Worthwhile having as a connection. May or may not be the girl in the pics.

There are so may choices in Ph, you don't need a pimp.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2743750][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/syandreaPH[/URL]

What do you think guys?[/QUOTE]1088 and others: I believe that PL links are visible only to those with an account.

Last night I chatted with a "no BF since birth" girl that wanted a sugar relationship, I found her in pinalove.

Maybe she was a 4 or 5, but after talking to her, she was virgin to foreigner, she had a pinoy.

Well anyways, she wanted 8 K for a cam call (with restrictions).

She said her friends told she can get that and other foreigners has proposed that to her.

So I say thanks for your time but too high.

Are you being ask that high of a price for a simple cam (with restrictions)?

And she wanted me to visit her and she will reduce to only 20 k per week.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2744377]She said her friends told she can get that and other foreigners has proposed that to her.

SNIP

And she wanted me to visit her and she will reduce to only 20 k per week.[/QUOTE]They listen to their friends and acquaintances over you. Whatever her fam, friends, or acquaintances in the biz say to do, she will do it (no matter how bad their advice). A related story that I shared in PM and possibly on the open board, from 6-8 weeks ago. Early morning, Burgos, 7-11. Scene: Several older massage ladies have come to the street to ply the morning shift and get a massage client. Also still there from the night before with them is a guapa. And several homeless ladies, having coffee and shooting the sh*t. A man walks by on the street and several girls say: "Massage sir". He calls over the guapa to chat him. He nods his head "no" several times. She walks back over to the collective to kibitz. She explains that she told him 1500, he said 1000. The ladies (aka TPM, The Poon Mafia) urge her to go back and explain to him that its 1500. She walks back to the gent and explains. He nods his head "no". The guapa goes back to the collective and they tell her to stick to 1500. One of the older gals says to take the 1000. "You been in the street 3 days looking a client. Take the 1000". The other ladies urge her to push for 1500.

She walks back to the gent, tells him 1500, and he walks away. She turns to the collective and looks as if to say: "What? Now what?" Finally she bolts up to the street towards him yelling "Ok ok its one thousand". Ya buddy. They showed THAT guy.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2744377]Well anyways, she wanted 8 K for a cam call (with restrictions). She said her friends told she can get that and other foreigners has proposed that to her.
[/QUOTE]So why did she not take any of the other foreigners up on it?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2744377]
Well anyways, she wanted 8 K for a cam call (with restrictions).

She said her friends told she can get that and other foreigners has proposed that to her.
So I say thanks for your time but too high.
And she wanted me to visit her and she will reduce to only 20 k per week.[/QUOTE]Of course we are being asked that. But we bat them away and just move on to our other opportunities. Just ignore those ones.

And more importantly leave your price points until you are in country.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2744393]They listen to their friends and acquaintances over you....[/QUOTE]They, both story recipient and teller, also extrapolate a single, high paying session to a new normal. A friend may have received a 8 k session and passed that info on, excluding that it was just a one off so that she looks like she is making a fortune.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2744377]Last night I chatted with a "no BF since birth" girl that wanted a sugar relationship, I found her in pinalove.

Maybe she was a 4 or 5, but after talking to her, she was virgin to foreigner, she had a pinoy.

Well anyways, she wanted 8 K for a cam call (with restrictions).

She said her friends told she can get that and other foreigners has proposed that to her.

So I say thanks for your time but too high.

Are you being ask that high of a price for a simple cam (with restrictions)?

And she wanted me to visit her and she will reduce to only 20 k per week.[/QUOTE]I am trolling DIA past couple of weeks looking to line up girls for my visit end of this month. Seems like no BF since birth is the theme now. This way they feel they are not committing to sex on meeting. This 26 year old girl said the same thing. When I said I want sex she agreed. Kept talking every day and all of a sudden money demands come. Anytime money demands or cam show comes up I stop chatting with them and block them. I only send money nowadays to known province girls for travel which is very little.

Have lined up two in Manila, one to meet me at the airport. Other one spare. Three in cebu. Agreed to pay 3000 per day which I think is fair. I like girls to stay couple of days each. Not into wham bam.

Yes, I have had outrageous demands like 8000 a day etc. Quite a lot of them are into cam shows. I do not know who sends money for that. You can get that free online anytime.

It is not easy to get normal girls. Eight out of ten need to reject for one reason or another. But persistence pays in my quest. I have exclusively used dating girls for a number of years now.

Rule us never send money before meeting. Exception is small amount like 500 to 800 for province girls to travel. If I lose it so be it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2744475]So why did she not take any of the other foreigners up on it?[/QUOTE]Thats that I told her, at that time, she proceded to unsent our chat (IG) and to delete.

Ah, and she want me to pay first hahahah.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2744692]I am trolling DIA past couple of .......pays in my quest. I have exclusively used dating girls for a number of years now.

Rule us never send money before meeting. Exception is small amount like 500 to 800 for province girls to travel. If I lose it so be it.[/QUOTE]No 8000 per day, 8000 for a cam call with restrictions like only 15 min, no face, keep bra / panty. I just couldn't believe it.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2744377]Last night I chatted with a "no BF since birth" girl that wanted a sugar relationship, I found her in pinalove.
[/QUOTE]How far in advance of your visit are you chatting with these girls?

You will have noticed that tourist trip arrangements can be made with just 0-2 days notice. These girls do not have busy lives. The ones that will meet will respond quickly. The girls that were only ever after cash / cam shows will quickly be cleared as they cannot meet 'today'. Province girls will quickly be identified as needing transport money. The compressed timeframes put the girls mind to solving the immediate logistic issues of meeting you (or excusing herself).

The longer you have to chat to girls the more likely you will be asked for pre-payments.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2744692]Rule us never send money before meeting. Exception is small amount like 500 to 800 for province girls to travel. If I lose it so be it.[/QUOTE]I've only prepaid transport once but that was for planes, trains and automobiles to get from San Carlos to Cebu City and the girl was a recommendation from a trusted monger.

For those that do send a couple of '00 for taxis etc, how many actually turn up vs just pocket the money and no show? Most that I see asking for prepayment have all the signs of scammers.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2744883]How far in advance of your visit are you chatting with these girls?

You will have noticed that tourist trip arrangements can be made with just 0-2 days notice. These girls do not have busy lives. The ones that will meet will respond quickly. The girls that were only ever after cash / cam shows will quickly be cleared as they cannot meet 'today'. Province girls will quickly be identified as needing transport money. The compressed timeframes put the girls mind to solving the immediate logistic issues of meeting you (or excusing herself).

The longer you have to chat to girls the more likely you will be asked for pre-payments.[/QUOTE]This advice is 100% correct. If your intention is to meet girls and to fuck them, then you should only be using dating apps the day before you leave. Alternatively, just use Tinder when you land and you will have many ready to fuck girls.

The vast majority of girls on dating apps are desperately poor and live in slums. They are poorer than you can imagine. They are on dating apps to get free money off gullible mongers. Most will chicken out of meeting you as they are not prepared for that and nor are they expecting Mr Monger to actually arrive. Most foreigners are also time wasters who will never actually travel anywhere and find it amusing to tell the girls how rich they are or how big their dicks are. It is all a game and both deserve each other. The pretty ones receive hundreds of messages a day from foreigners. Some will end up sending money for cam shows that never happen. Often the "girl" at the other end is actually a man who is running the scam. Just don't send dick pics unless you want to wife to find out.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745022]They are on dating apps to get free money off gullible mongers. Most will chicken out of meeting you as they are not prepared for that and nor are they expecting Mr Monger to actually arrive. Most foreigners are also time wasters who will never actually travel anywhere [/QUOTE]True. Many girls are stunned to find the monger is actually in town now. Lots will back out but those who actually want to meet a white guy will be in jeepney ASAP.

That's why I don't even login until I'm sitting in my hotel. Anything before that is just mild titillation as we are extremely unlikely to actually meet.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2745203]True. Many girls are stunned to find the monger is actually in town now. Lots will back out but those who actually want to meet a white guy will be in jeepney ASAP.

That's why I don't even login until I'm sitting in my hotel. Anything before that is just mild titillation as we are extremely unlikely to actually meet.[/QUOTE]IMHO it is my experience depending on what's your requirements. For me I like to get GFE girls stay with me min of two days. Sex gets better with familiarity. So I start chatting at least a month before travel. This way by the time I am there I will get at least couple of girls who promise to stay with me. Also I settle the amount to be paid so that there is no misunderstanding. Most times I tend to pay more.

There are times for one reason or other girls have dropped out after I am there. In such cases I hit the dating sites again. Mostly it starts with ST but once we like each other they stay longer.

Most normal pretty girls want chatting on cam and get you know you before agreeing. Unless they have been with a foreigner money equation does not come into play. They want to meet outside first with no guarantee. Depending on how desperate I am I decide to meet and see. Yes, sometimes they come with a friend, cousin etc. Many a times I have benefited when both decide to come with me.

Generally if the girl wants to stay with me few days I register them and we check in together. In some cases they come to the airport.

So everything on the table depending on luck. Sometimes best laid plans go bare.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2745210].... Mostly it starts with ST but once we like each other they stay longer......[/QUOTE]This is my main MO for new acquaintances too. Each to their own but I haven't found the days / weeks of ground work necessary. Good girls will just meet for a platonic coffee or Jollie date first and I have no issues with this. I tend to mix point and click with those that are less brutally commercial.

In all cases being in town increases the odds of actually meeting and then hooking up considerably.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2745210]This way by the time I am there I will get at least couple of girls who promise to stay with me. Also I settle the amount to be paid so that there is no misunderstanding. Most times I tend to pay more.
[/QUOTE]Would you consider leaving the money discussion out of the pre-arrival chat? I rarely ever mention money unless the girl is a hardened pro. Try it with a few girls and see how things progress. All filipina know the will get paid.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2745246]Would you consider leaving the money discussion out of the pre-arrival chat? I rarely ever mention money unless the girl is a hardened pro. Try it with a few girls and see how things progress. All filipina know the will get paid.[/QUOTE]Money issue is not discussed with all girls. If I feel they are romance minded and clingy I try to make it a business deal. Most Philippine girls know they will get money from foreigners but many from the provinces do not know how much. For them even 500 pesos is good money.

However I treat them very well.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2745246]Would you consider leaving the money discussion out of the pre-arrival chat?[/QUOTE]I'll answer the blatant "How much?" question, but otherwise often leave the payment as an unspoken agreement.

I've had several girls who a / insist only on true taxi fares of a couple of hundred pesos or be / refused payment at all. These girls are happy to go with a guy who is obviously playing the field but don't want to be roped into the paid hooker grouping. Including cash in the initial discussion sees them flee early.

Funnily enough, some of those that refused payment have been firmly in the top 5% performance wise and were great fun.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2745389]Money issue is not discussed with all girls..[/QUOTE]I should have also added that it also depends how you carry yourself. Girls are often concerned that a young tourist, new to town, will not understand that they are expecting payment so will have a convo early to manage expectations. An older guy, who has clearly played the game before, and maybe speaks some of the language, obviously already knows the situation, current prices etc so is less of a risk and the same conversation is not required.

An extension of this is referrals. If a "cousin" was a freebie / paid 3 k then she knows this and expects the same. No discussions required.

I think we are of the same strategy here. From your initial post "Also I settle the amount to be paid so that there is no misunderstanding" I inferred "always settle the amount" whereas it seems we all use the "settle the amount if needed."

The trouble with mongers who are about to engage in a 2-week fuckathon is that they stop thinking with their brains. Some never had any to start with. Some mongers should have been drowned at birth.

There is no real need to spend hours on negotiating on Pina Love to get the fuck fee for an overnight stay down from 3000 to 2000 pesos. Just think about it. You've already spent thousands on your airfare getting to Manila and same again on accommodation, plus taking two weeks off from your job (if you have one). Are you really going to say no to a fuckable chick for the sake of $17.30? Shit, you spill more than that at Friday afternoon drinks. It's about the cost of a subway meal.

An online girl will be between 3,000 - 5000 peso in Manila. A bit less in smaller towns.

Some monger will come back and say that he got a chick for 300 peso in Tondo once and that I don't know what I'm talking about.

I agree 100%.

I was there for a fuckation few weeks ago and I always paid 6 K - 7.5 K.

Got all- 19-24 yrs old. And had awesome sessions.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745666]The trouble with mongers who are about to engage in a 2-week fuckathon is that they stop thinking with their brains. Some never had any to start with. Some mongers should have been drowned at birth.

There is no real need to spend hours on negotiating on Pina Love to get the fuck fee for an overnight stay down from 3000 to 2000 pesos. Just think about it. You've already spent thousands on your airfare getting to Manila and same again on accommodation, plus taking two weeks off from your job (if you have one). Are you really going to say no to a fuckable chick for the sake of $17.30? Shit, you spill more than that at Friday afternoon drinks. It's about the cost of a subway meal.

An online girl will be between 3,000 - 5000 peso in Manila. A bit less in smaller towns.

Some monger will come back and say that he got a chick for 300 peso in Tondo once and that I don't know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CreateNinnov8;2746162]I agree 100%.

I was there for a fuckation few weeks ago and I always paid 6 K - 7.5 K.

Got all- 19-24 yrs old. And had awesome sessions.[/QUOTE]I doubt it's one side is right and the other is wrong. It depends on who has the sense of urgency. If someone has paid what equates to hundreds of dollars per day in airfares and wants a pretty girl before leaving in a few days, then he's happy to pay up to get what he wants. If a girl is broke and needs the rent today then she will call up a known customer for however much will get the bills paid. She'll probably give a good session too so that he's happy to say yes again when called on in her hour of need.

On some occasions both situations may be the same girl. 😊.

As long as both the baller and Cheap Charlie are happy in the end, who cares?

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745666]There is no real need to spend hours on negotiating on Pina Love to get the fuck fee for an overnight stay down from 3000 to 2000 pesos. Just think about it. You've already spent thousands on your airfare getting to Manila and same again on accommodation, plus taking two weeks off from your job (if you have one). Are you really going to say no to a fuckable chick for the sake of $17.30?[/QUOTE]Yes I am going to say no. I have never met a chick that I need. I am not desperate for pussy that I can not pass and get a different chick. It is the same as you mentioned buying a ticket. By your logic, if you know tickets are usually $10, but you see they are $15 at the moment, you should just go ahead and buy it and not wait until the price drops back down. If you know that you can get it for less, why pay more only on the basis that you have spent money on other things? So because I spent a lot of money on a house, I should not negotiate the price of the furniture that is going to go inside?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2746459]Yes I am going to say no. I have never met a chick that I need. I am not desperate for pussy that I can not pass and get a different chick. It is the same as you mentioned buying a ticket. By your logic, if you know tickets are usually $10, but you see they are $15 at the moment, you should just go ahead and buy it and not wait until the price drops back down. If you know that you can get it for less, why pay more only on the basis that you have spent money on other things? So because I spent a lot of money on a house, I should not negotiate the price of the furniture that is going to go inside?[/QUOTE]I'm getting lost in all the metaphors Are we arguing Discrete Pricing Theory over hookers??

My situation is simple: if a girl quotes a price I'm happy with, then we're off. If another guy accepts a different price and has a good time too, then more power to them.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745666] Are you really going to say no to a fuckable chick for the sake of $17.30?[/QUOTE]Why not, and what has airline ticket cost to do with pussy pricing? Quality of fucking is often inversely related to price anyways.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2746566]I'm getting lost in all the metaphors Are we arguing Discrete Pricing Theory over hookers??[/QUOTE]LOL. Me too! I was basically trying to say the same that PN did. Buying one thing has nothing to do with buying something else.

1. Hold the line. Otherwise you are touristing everything from jeepneys upwards.

2. Coca Cola challenge. This evil American company boasts its product is the same everywhere. LBFMs are just that, hairy brown holes to borrow away at at a price worth doing it. No different than a game of darts or five in a row. But different from a heroin addict in the USA.

3. Hire a plumber. I got a small roof job priced. Two guys,. Half a day, the price of an hour with a star fish here. Which is better value, a starfish or a plumber?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745666]The trouble with mongers who are about to engage in a 2-week fuckathon is that they stop thinking with their brains. Some never had any to start with. Some mongers should have been drowned at birth.[/QUOTE]There is great truth to the first part of this. The 2-week warrior is engaging in a 2-tier pricing system. He is voluntarily paying more. The point-and-shoot system of Burgos (both bars and SW), AC, the old EDSA complex, and LAC (among others) is that the customer is paying more, for convenience. High-Priced-Convenience (HPC, I just made that up). Every girl in the bar or street, or in LAC understands this. The price she's looking to get (say, at LAC, of 2000 for ST) will involve a negotiation probably. However its not the price she's willing to go for. She knows that if you are in LAC, you have most likely come for a vacation, and you are not in the mood to dicker (much). She knows that she's dealing with ED's idiot. When she says "Where you from?" and you answer: I live here. That's a signal to her: it might be time for her to find another customer.

The lower-priced system (LPS) often belongs to the guys who live in town (or at least are here for a period of months). These gents can (and often do) simply pass on the HPC experience, getting a phone contact list full of girls who are willing to perform at the lower price (see Goferring's words below), in exchange for continued and repeated business.

Should have been drowned at birth. That probably includes me.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2745666]Some monger will come back and say that he got a chick for 300 peso in Tondo once and that I don't know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]Its true, it probably happens to both LPS (more often) and HPC guys (less often). Again, see Goferring's words below. P10 k / session models do, on occasion, offer themselves up for 1/5 of their normal price to pay the electric bill. Do they offer that to some newb she's never met? No, she contacts one of her long-time regular gents in town and goes for whatever he offers (or is willing to settle for) this day.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2746420]I doubt it's one side is right and the other is wrong. It depends on who has the sense of urgency. SNIP If a girl is broke and needs the rent today then she will call up a known customer for however much will get the bills paid. She'll probably give a good session too so that he's happy to say yes again when called on in her hour of need.

On some occasions both situations may be the same girl. 😊.[/QUOTE]Have had this (rare) experience more than once, with more than one model or influencer. Have heard same from other gents. And to be honest, the girls themselves aren't always very smart. The electric gets cut in her home, and she suddenly needs p1735 to pay the bill TODAY. She suggests to one of her regulars (who gives p10 k normally) that she visit with him today. He balks for any number of reasons (not horny, short on cash, blah blah). She probably should offer to cut her take to p5 k today, but instead blurts out in txt: "We have no electric. Cut. Need p1735 to pay it". He's going to get her for p2000 today. If she'd suggested the cut to 5 k without mentioning the emergency, she might have gotten it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2746459]Yes I am going to say no. I have never met a chick that I need. I am not desperate for pussy that I can not pass and get a different chick. It is the same as you mentioned buying a ticket. By your logic, if you know tickets are usually $10, but you see they are $15 at the moment, you should just go ahead and buy it and not wait until the price drops back down. If you know that you can get it for less, why pay more only on the basis that you have spent money on other things? So because I spent a lot of money on a house, I should not negotiate the price of the furniture that is going to go inside?[/QUOTE]When I was a 2-3 week warrior, I felt the need to squeeze in as many as possible. I was (when younger) ED's brainless idiot. I should have negotiated better the price of the furniture, but I was not willing to let this or that hottie go, requiring more of my time to find another. Time was more important than money (for at least the first few years). I needed the girl more than the money.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2746579]Why not, and what has airline ticket cost to do with pussy pricing? [/QUOTE]For the 2-week warrior, it has much to do with pricing. He is not willing / wanting to dicker. Its difficult for him to walk away, when she is right in front of him in a bar, or on vid call and just a mile away. The largesse of his trip for many warriors is on his mind, forcing a need for results. Guys who live in town don't worry about this. If her price is too high today, he will just look thru his contact list and find another, and another, and another. If he doesn't get laid today, he will another day. He also knows that she will have an emergency in the next few weeks and she will be more open to dickering down then.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2746579]Quality of fucking is often inversely related to price anyways.[/QUOTE]And then there is that.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2746579]Quality of fucking is often inversely related to price anyways.[/QUOTE]Gump, you're a God damn genius.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746605]There is great truth to the first part of this. The 2-week warrior is engaging in a 2-tier pricing system. He is voluntarily paying more. The point-and-shoot system of Burgos (both bars and SW), AC, the old EDSA complex, and LAC (among others) is that the customer is paying more, for convenience...[/QUOTE]You left out that he is also paying for quality. Some of that maybe that the average Burgos Gogo girl is prettier than the average street walker but that's not the only criteria. Mr Per Diem is also willing to pay for English speaking, unlikely to do a runner, unlikely to get robbed or that the whole street is simply more foreigner friendly. He sure as shit ain't roaming the streets of Tondo at 3 am to save $20.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746605]
The lower-priced system (LPS) often belongs to the guys who live in town (or at least are here for a period of months). These gents can (and often do) simply pass on the HPC experience, getting a phone contact list full of girls who are willing to perform at the lower price (see Goferring's words below), in exchange for continued and repeated business.

[/QUOTE]The warrior will also be confined to choosing from areas where tourist or foreigner prices reign. He will likely only see the airport, office, Burgos and maybe a high end mall.

A resident will frequent far more supermarkets, regular malls, banks, public transport etc and naturally bump into girls who will be happy to meet for the price of a coffee.

Don't even get me started on the doors opened by learning a few words of the local language.

Strangely, many of these civilian girls can be far prettier than those in bars or streets, just minus the on point make up and sexy dresses.

Ever unwrapped jeans and a T-shirt to find a bikini model hiding underneath? Got to love surprises. 🎉.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746605]
For the 2-week warrior, it has much to do with pricing. He is not willing / wanting to dicker. Its difficult for him to walk away, when she is right in front of him in a bar, or on vid call and just a mile away. The largesse of his trip for many warriors is on his mind, forcing a need for results.[/QUOTE]Totally get that, and encourage it. Big spenders attract new talent to the pool. I can see the sunk cost / effiency fallacy / argument and if you are on a very short trip pulling the trigger quickly paying 17 bucks more will probably lower the total CPF by virtue of more total trip fucks. But my beef is that there's no f-ing norm that you should be galante and just pay whatever some exchangable chick asks.

It's not much different from buying a used car. Know when to walk away.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2746627]I can see the sunk cost / effiency fallacy / argument and if you are on a very short trip pulling the trigger quickly paying 17 bucks more will probably lower the total CPF by virtue of more total trip fucks. But my beef is that there's no f-ing norm that you should be galante and just pay whatever some exchangable chick asks.

It's not much different from buying a used car. Know when to walk away.[/QUOTE]Great points. When I first came here, I was somewhat experienced in other countries. But the prices were so cheap here, and the girls stayed so long (not charging by the minute, or 30- or 60-minute blocks), that I became the 'Efficiency Expert' and fell into the fallacy. For a while. Then later I found other ways to find a girl's lower acceptable price, and moved away from the 'efficiency' view (getting laid regular is more important than getting laid a lot, or having only hottie -- my old age speaking). Girls in the biz (most all of them, from GRO to FL / SW / LAC to Tinder pros) understand the 2-week warrior's fever.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746605]High-Priced-Convenience (HPC, I just made that up). Every girl in the bar or street, or in LAC understands this. The price she's looking to get (say, at LAC, of 2000 for ST) will involve a negotiation probably..[/QUOTE]I always tell them I come here all the time and I do not know when I am leaving.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2746637]Great points. When I first came here, I was somewhat experienced in other countries. But the prices were so cheap here, and the girls stayed so long (not charging by the minute, or 30- or 60-minute blocks), that I became the 'Efficiency Expert' and fell into the fallacy. For a while. Then later I found other ways to find a girl's lower acceptable price, and moved away from the 'efficiency' view (getting laid regular is more important than getting laid a lot, or having only hottie -- my old age speaking). Girls in the biz (most all of them, from GRO to FL / SW / LAC to Tinder pros) understand the 2-week warrior's fever.[/QUOTE]Where I come from, a nice looking girl is $2500++ for an all nighter. So when I get to Manila, what's the point in worrying if the fee is $200 or $217?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2744671]A friend may have received a 8 k session and passed that info on, excluding that it was just a one off so that she looks like she is making a fortune.[/QUOTE]Last month one of my girls had a swollen outer ankle and a limp. A turned ankle, or possible sprain. I suggested an x-ray and doctor's palpitation. "No I am going in the shaman today. He will rub the oil on it and prayer". So, you are saying NO to the x-ray and doctor that I am willing to pay for? "My neighbor says the shaman will pray on it". OK, but I'm willing to go with you to the doctor now. Don't ask me for money later for an x-ray or doctor. "I will shaman". Because of your genius neighbor. Check.

The following day about 10:30 am the guard calls my room: "Sir your guest is here in the lobby". Unannounced guest? Not expecting anyone until 1 pm, one of my other regulars. On the way down in the elevator I have no msgs on my phone. Once in the lobby I see "Limpy". She is sitting and can barely stand up. "The shaman put the oil and prayer. He says it will better today. But its more hurt". I see. "Can we doctor now?" Now? No, I have a girl coming soon. I gave her money for a few days of mefamanic analgesic and helped her hobble out to the jeep.

Two days later she txt to announce she would miss our ST, unable to walk. The following day she wanted to go to the doctor again. One week later she was back, a mild limp, and the swelling was down a bit. I was able to replace her missed times with other regulars. She had to live without her prizes from me. What do we foreigners know, compared to her neighbor. Right?

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2746674]Where I come from, a nice looking girl is $2500++ for an all nighter. So when I get to Manila, what's the point in worrying if the fee is $200 or $217?[/QUOTE]Because where you come from has shit to do with somewhere else. If you came from Thailand where I have been paying $30 for an all nighter for the last 17 years, would there be a point in worrying if the fee is $200 or $217? Because what you said is only said by people coming from somewhere that it costs more. But what shall be the mentality of someone coming from a place where something costs less?

I am in Dominican Republic now. Before I came I booked a rental car for $219 for 3 days. I got to the counter and the mfs told me it would be $345. Should I have just paid the $345 because at home it would be $500, or was I right in cursing the mfs out and demanding the price I reserved for and showed them in black and white?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2748440]What do we foreigners know, compared to her neighbor. Right?[/QUOTE]Certainly I have also seen this with ailments. There is a disrespect for health advice from foreigners.

I find that this doesn't just cover medical issues. Finance also. "darling, that get rich scheme that everyone in barangay is investing, it is a scam." A month later after having lost their money everyone is upset.

Maybe it's because we are associated with so many unreliable foreigners also.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2748479]Because where you come from has shit to do with somewhere else. If you came from Thailand where I have been paying $30 for an all nighter for the last 17 years, would there be a point in worrying if the fee is $200 or $217? Because what you said is only said by people coming from somewhere that it costs more. But what shall be the mentality of someone coming from a place where something costs less?

I am in Dominican Republic now. Before I came I booked a rental car for $219 for 3 days. I got to the counter and the mfs told me it would be $345. Should I have just paid the $345 because at home it would be $500, or was I right in cursing the mfs out and demanding the price I reserved for and showed them in black and white?[/QUOTE]Well it depends how you look at it. Do you want to pass up a girl you want for the 17 $ difference? Some say yes, another will take the lower price. Others want what they want when they want it. Both approaches are ok. For me, the price of a fuck is never worth more than $200 even in my home base. As I type this I have a cute LBFM sleeping next to me. I paid 4 K barfine (70 USD) but she's been with me since 2 pm and won't leave until tomorrow morning. This is in AC. I would rather hunt the gems in AC then pay 3 X the price in Burgos. But if you want guaranteed point and click at a hot girl Burgos is for you. To each his own.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2748479]Because where you come from has shit to do with somewhere else. If you came from Thailand where I have been paying $30 for an all nighter for the last 17 years, would there be a point in worrying if the fee is $200 or $217? Because what you said is only said by people coming from somewhere that it costs more. But what shall be the mentality of someone coming from a place where something costs less?

I am in Dominican Republic now. Before I came I booked a rental car for $219 for 3 days. I got to the counter and the mfs told me it would be $345. Should I have just paid the $345 because at home it would be $500, or was I right in cursing the mfs out and demanding the price I reserved for and showed them in black and white?[/QUOTE]We all know you travel the world living in $2 flea pits and fucking $5 crack hoes in unlit alley ways. For you, head count is the measure, along with your inconsequential 13,000 reports. I often wonder how you managed to be in Rio on Monday, Pattaya on Tuesday, Lisbon on Wednesday, Angeles City on Thursday and Puerto Rico on Friday. And this was during the pandemic! Some of us have proper jobs, with a proper income and have limited vacation time. We actually want to stay in places where this a bed and a mattress. And we require our hookers to at latest bathe once a day. So the $17 difference in the asking price for an all nighter is not going to make any difference.

I have been using DIA exclusively for about 15 years. Locked out couple of times but managed to get back in.

I have had my share of scammers, demanding money before meeting, ladyboys pretending to be real girls, lying about age, photoshopped pictures on DIA but real ugly when chatting etc.

But overall I have had good success. I have made lots of connections and still see some old acquaintances sometimes. I start about two months before I go and start chatting. I come straight to the point about staying with me and having fun. Many drop out, some want to chat with me on WhatsApp and messenger. I never send any money. Block them if they start asking for money. I have sent airline tickets to fly them into Manila and cebu if I really like the girl. All have shown up. Except one girl who tried to cash the ticket with no luck. Airline sent a message and I got my money back.

My success is due to weeding out bad characters. There are many who really like to be with a foreigner although lately more and more are looking for serious relationship. I never promise anything but fun only for cash. Over the years I have met real pretty girls and I have posted pictures. Had taken many girls on trips. Once I meet them and have a good time I am quite generous. Makes them friends for a long time. Over the years I had many girlfriends in Philippines and also in Thailand, China, Cambodia, Vietnam. I used to do business in China and always travel to many south east countries.

Trick is to chat with many on cam and talk. If they like you they want to stay with you. If they do not on yo next one. In fact I have not taken any bargirls for the last 10 years. I am a two week warrior and consequently looking for only max 5 girls to stay with. So finding is not a problem compared to people who go for a month. Many of my girls introduce other girls sometimes for a threesome. All dating girls are clean and pleasant compared to bargirls.

So far I have not had any problems.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2749274]We all know you travel the world living in $2 flea pits and fucking $5 crack hoes in unlit alley ways. For you, head count is the measure, along with your inconsequential 13,000 reports.[/QUOTE]I totally get it man. Better to just stay home wasting chicks' time on the apps like you seem to have down pat. Because why not have 2000 reports about chicks that you have not met.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2749274]We all know you travel the world living in $2 flea pits and fucking $5 crack hoes in unlit alley ways. For you, head count is the measure, along with your inconsequential 13,000 reports. I often wonder how you managed to be in Rio on Monday, Pattaya on Tuesday, Lisbon on Wednesday, Angeles City on Thursday and Puerto Rico on Friday. And this was during the pandemic! Some of us have proper jobs, with a proper income and have limited vacation time. We actually want to stay in places where this a bed and a mattress. And we require our hookers to at latest bathe once a day. So the $17 difference in the asking price for an all nighter is not going to make any difference.[/QUOTE]Once again trainwreck is derailed. Fat, lazy and stupid is no way to go through life, sonny. Conversely it is good to see Sammon's strategy and success. Regards from Valencia where I am living with a 22 year old amorous, busty beauty. She studies to be a P. E. Teacher while I train her oral skills. But I still monger AC, Subic, Manila, Cebu. Why not?

[QUOTE=DCups;2749585]Once again trainwreck is derailed. Fat, lazy and stupid is no way to go through life, sonny. Conversely it is good to see Sammon's strategy and success. Regards from Valencia where I am living with a 22 year old amorous, busty beauty. She studies to be a P. E. Teacher while I train her oral skills. But I still monger AC, Subic, Manila, Cebu. Why not?[/QUOTE]Nice to hear from you buddy. I'm glad your retirement plans are working out.

Yep, I sure am fat. The last time I weighed myself I was 340 lbs, just before the scales broke. LOL. I weight so much that my knees have given in and so I get around in a mobility scooter. Yep, I'm lazy too. Even though so many hot IG chicks are chasing my 1-inch dick, I prefer to stay in my moms basement watching reruns of Trike Patrol! Can't risk traveling in case I get Covid. LOL. Besides, they don't have Tim Tams in the Philippines, so what would I eat?

I tried out for an audition for a role in a small dick humiliation, cuckold movie. I was going to star with a hot Asian babe and a black guy with a 10" cock. But I never got the part as they couldn't find my 1-inch dick in all the layers of belly fat. That was hilarious LOL.

Stay safe old pal. You never know. If they can get Covid under control and a sari sari shop can import Tim Tams, you might see me zipping around Walking Street in my motorized wheel chair. Peace bro.

[QUOTE=DCups;2749585]Once again trainwreck is derailed. Fat, lazy and stupid is no way to go through life, sonny. Conversely it is good to see Sammon's strategy and success. Regards from Valencia where I am living with a 22 year old amorous, busty beauty. She studies to be a P. E. Teacher while I train her oral skills. But I still monger AC, Subic, Manila, Cebu. Why not?[/QUOTE]Good to see you are enjoying your retirement and that too with a busty girl you like. Right now I am in cebu staying at waterfront lahug. Two girls really worked me up in Manila. I was so tired and had to cancel a Lapu Lapu girl who was supposed to meet me at airport. Needed a break. Pic of the girl she sent me attached. If I have time I will meet her. Having a girl meeting me today.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2749887]Nice to hear from you buddy. I'm glad your retirement plans are working out.

Yep, I sure am fat. The last time I weighed myself I was 340 lbs, just before the scales broke. LOL. I weight so much that my knees have given in and so I get around in a mobility scooter. Yep, I'm lazy too. Even though so many hot IG chicks are chasing my 1-inch dick, I prefer to stay in my moms basement watching reruns of Trike Patrol! Can't risk traveling in case I get Covid. LOL. Besides, they don't have Tim Tams in the Philippines, so what would I eat?

I tried out for an audition for a role in a small dick humiliation, cuckold movie. I was going to star with a hot Asian babe and a black guy with a 10" cock. But I never got the part as they couldn't find my 1-inch dick in all the layers of belly fat. That was hilarious LOL.

Stay safe old pal. You never know. If they can get Covid under control and a sari sari shop can import Tim Tams, you might see me zipping around Walking Street in my motorized wheel chair. Peace bro.[/QUOTE]Too funny, Mr. ED. Cheers.

It's impossible to chat to a Filipina on a dating site for more than one day before she / he hits you up for money. Filipinas receive hundreds of messages from old horny mongers. Even if the wily lady can only get 4,000 peso a day for food and formula for her baby from one monger, she has earned 10 times what she could waiting on tables. Please don't send them any money. None are worthy. The only objective is for you to get telephone numbers of prospective conquests before you arrive at NAIA. Then you meet them and then you fuck them. Give them 3,000 peso the next morning before getting rid of them. Have a look at this video and make sure you don't fall for it.

[URL]https://youtu.be/tPTGdSh3yvs[/URL]

What enginedriver says is true.

Dating sites are good for generating new leads but it's also amazing how many times we meet Filipinas in our day-to-day activates. On Friday I was just thinking about how many 'open' filipina connections I have ie filipinas in contact with me on a semi regular basis which I keep open in the event my travels take me to their place. I will collect these random interactions and just keep them trickling along. Eventually something changes in their life and good old reliable AP is there to fuck them albeit for money.

For an upcoming trip I have not yet started any DIA or dating site apps.

Home city.

50 yo, 45 kg fuck buddy. Just for fun when we are both free. Met her as a job applicant. She needed a lift to her job interview and fucked me on our way back.

33 yo aged care worker that has been in contact for a year but I can't get her to more than coffee chats.

32 yo child care worker that does paid dating ie three hours for $400, I pay hotel.

Not so Randoms.

28 yo slim island girl, Surigao. Keen to meet.

28 yo OFW hotel front desk that will be back in Manila when I'm there.

32 yo single mum OFW that will be in Manila when I'm there.

Randoms.

4 insta island girls.

The above list would reliably fill 60% of my time in PH but the thrill of the chase and variety will have me sifting through the dating sites.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2750975]It's impossible to chat to a Filipina on a dating site for more than one day before she / he hits you up for money. Filipinas receive hundreds of messages from old horny mongers. Even if the wily lady can only get 4,000 peso a day for food and formula for her baby from one monger, she has earned 10 times what she could waiting on tables. Please don't send them any money. None are worthy. The only objective is for you to get telephone numbers of prospective conquests before you arrive at NAIA. Then you meet them and then you fuck them. Give them 3,000 peso the next morning before getting rid of them. Have a look at this video and make sure you don't fall for it.

[URL]https://youtu.be/tPTGdSh3yvs[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2750975]It's impossible to chat to a Filipina on a dating site for more than one day before she / he hits you up for money. Filipinas receive hundreds of messages from old horny mongers. Even if the wily lady can only get 4,000 peso a day for food and formula for her baby from one monger, she has earned 10 times what she could waiting on tables. Please don't send them any money. None are worthy. The only objective is for you to get telephone numbers of prospective conquests before you arrive at NAIA. Then you meet them and then you fuck them. Give them 3,000 peso the next morning before getting rid of them. Have a look at this video and make sure you don't fall for it.

[URL]https://youtu.be/tPTGdSh3yvs[/URL][/QUOTE]Eight out of ten girls demand money giving various excuses.

1. No money for transportation. I say take a taxi and I will meet you on arrival and pay taxi. If you do not trust me you can have the taxi driver call me on your WhatsApp. A real interested girl will not ask you for money. She will use the cheapest transport to come to you.

2. Need to pay babysitter if she has a baby. Do not go for it. Usually they are already staying in a group setting.

3. Never ever believe birthdays. These girls will have up to 10 birthdays a year. Besides poor people rarely celebrate birthday throwing a lavish party.

4. Do not believe father sick, mother sick, grandmother died, Buffalo sick, Buffalo ate a snake etc. My reply is you managed to live before you met me and continue to live even if we do not meet. I will only give money after meeting and having sex.

5. There is no need for the girl to meet you at the airport and check in together. When you check in tell the reception that your friend will be joking you later and you will bring her I. The. Then conveniently forget to do that.

Bottom line is never send money. Yes, I have made a rookie mistake long time ago. Since the I have learned that whatever meant to be will be the same but not because money was not sent.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2751318]
Bottom line is never send money. Yes, I have made a rookie mistake long time ago. Since the I have learned that whatever meant to be will be the same but not because money was not sent.[/QUOTE]Very good advice. Never send any money, period.

I once made an exception and was promptly scammed out of 200 pesos for a (regional) bus ticket in Cebu. I thought it was rather hilarious as she must have spent at least 10 hours online working the scam, working out to an hourly wage of 20 pesos. But fool me once.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2751322]Very good advice. Never send any money, period.

I once made an exception and was promptly scammed out of 200 pesos for a (regional) bus ticket in Cebu. I thought it was rather hilarious as she must have spent at least 10 hours online working the scam, working out to an hourly wage of 20 pesos. But fool me once.[/QUOTE]I've joined Pina Love on a 1-month subscription to get a new set of hooker phone contacts. Because of the Wuhan reaper I haven't traveled anywhere for nearly 3 years and am due for a mongering holiday. Good opportunity to clean up my old phone lists. I still have periodic contact with trusted hookers from the past but I ended up deleting over a 100 others. To expect a girl to have the same number for three years is too much.

Besides the usual cam shows where you will get blackmailed, a few new scams I've come across:

1. Need to go for a job interview now. Switches phone off for 6 hours then texts back that's she's got the job. Has 48 hours to produce negative Covid test and various pre-employment medicals. Cheapest clinic quote is 4800 peso. Can I help so she doesn't lose the job?

2. Graduation fee is due on Monday and it's 9000 peso! LOL. Dear, I wasn't born yesterday. Graduation fee from a third rate, provincial college is 300 peso for gown and mortar board hire, and tip to the college president.

3. Various kids birthday parties- just some small amount for kids please. You mean 5000 peso for a pig on the spit and a bottle of Tanduay rhum for the boyfriend?

Another scam that I would appreciate some advice with. On Pina Love there are a bunch of pretty girls "based" in my home country seeking relationships. I'the never seen this before and even if put Manila as the search area, they come up. My home country is part of Rich White Man Land. Just single pictures only of super hot Pinay and western girls. The photo has been verified. How does this scam work? Is it Bitcoin trading? Seems like the scammers can hack the app.

Too bad, Miss Porridge was a smoking hot, 45 kg spinner. Just because you don't send money now doesn't mean you can't meet them later. No need to block them.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2751355]

Another scam that I would appreciate some advice with. On Pina Love there are a bunch of pretty girls "based" in my home country seeking relationships. I'the never seen this before and even if put Manila as the search area, they come up. My home country is part of Rich White Man Land. Just single pictures only of super hot Pinay and western girls. The photo has been verified. How does this scam work? Is it Bitcoin trading? Seems like the scammers can hack the app.

Too bad, Miss Porridge was a smoking hot, 45 kg spinner. Just because you don't send money now doesn't mean you can't meet them later. No need to block them.[/QUOTE]1/. It's just an extension of the bus fare con. Doesn't matter where you live in RWML, she won't be there but for $500 she will buy some flights and come suck you dry.

2/. Hopefully you sent the poor girl some more salt sachets to end her hunger.

3/. I never delete messages or contacts, even the psychos. Makes it so much easier to triage supposedly new contacts later. I've found many girls who have the same number but different photos, haircuts, locations etc.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2751355]Another scam that I would appreciate some advice with. On Pina Love there are a bunch of pretty girls "based" in my home country seeking relationships. I'the never seen this before and even if put Manila as the search area, they come up.[/QUOTE]A lot of times it is the site itself posting these profiles. It is common on dating sites. You can search the internet for people that have previously worked at sites saying how it works.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751630]A lot of times it is the site itself posting these profiles. It is common on dating sites. You can search the internet for people that have previously worked at sites saying how it works.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E. That makes perfect sense. Yes they are bots created by the algorithm depending on where you are. There is only ever one photo or no photo, but it is "verified" by Pina Love. There is never much profile information other than the name and fake location. The girls are also too pretty to be true and "out of my league". Why would a hottie be sitting in London UK without a date and using Pina Love? LOL. I read that this is common to pad out the numbers to look as if there are more girls. Dating apps are typcially 80/20 male-female.

I have noticed that since the last time I was on three years ago, the number of girls has halved. But of the ones listed, nearly all of them are scammers. The pandemic has driven the poorest girls back to the provinces where they can survive on 100 peso a day or can toil in the uncle's paddy fields in exchange for a free meal.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2751322]Very good advice. Never send any money, period.

I once made an exception and was promptly scammed out of 200 pesos for a (regional) bus ticket in Cebu. I thought it was rather hilarious as she must have spent at least 10 hours online working the scam, working out to an hourly wage of 20 pesos. But fool me once.[/QUOTE]Had a successful trip to Philippines. All my girls are from DIA.

Never sent any money for bus, taxi, jeepney or whatever. Ofcourse there were demands but conveniently deleted. But found some gems who never asked for any money before. Got to my hotel with no problem. I should say security is not all existent at high end hotels I stayed. Nobody checked anything. Maybe good or bad. But my girls never took anything even if I left thousand peso notes on the table.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2751665]Yes they are bots created by the algorithm depending on where you are. There is only ever one photo or no photo, but it is "verified" by Pina Love. There is never much profile information other than the name and fake location. The girls are also too pretty to be true and "out of my league". [/QUOTE]The article I read said they would even answer your messages a couple of times to get you hyped and give you hope so that you would stay on the site.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2752446]Had a successful trip to Philippines. All my girls are from DIA.[/QUOTE]Good on you, Sammon. My impression is that the DIA girls in the years just before the pandemic were bit more hesistant to meet up than, say, ten years ago. Any improvement post-covid?

Were the girls happy with your compensation plan or did they request extras?

I'm currently in PH but have been using old contacts and pretty much my pre-covid payment scale, no complaints so far.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2752507]Good on you, Sammon. My impression is that the DIA girls in the years just before the pandemic were bit more hesistant to meet up than, say, ten years ago. Any improvement post-covid?

Were the girls happy with your compensation plan or did they request extras?

I'm currently in PH but have been using old contacts and pretty much my pre-covid payment scale, no complaints so far.[/QUOTE]In my plan of attack I did not see much of a difference in payment factor. Before I use to pay 1500-2000 per day. Now 2500-3000 per day. I tend to treat girls very well. So what if I overpaid little. I did not take any gifts. They need money more than gifts. The girls I got all had decent jobs. Some work in call centers. So although they need money, they were not mercenary. None had any children and were between 19-23. After I came back here the girls I was with sent pictures of their friends who want to hook up with me. I guess they think I am an angel. I think I am a devil projecting myself as an angel LOL.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2752600] I guess they think I am an angel. I think I am a devil projecting myself as an angel LOL.[/QUOTE]If they thought you were an angel they would be keeping you for themselves. Maybe the fact that they are prepared to let you play with others they see limited opportunity with you. You are safe to pass on to others.

We all love these girls.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2752600]None had any children and were between 19-23. After I came back here the girls I was with sent pictures of their friends who want to hook up with me. [/QUOTE]Don't worry about over / underpaying when you are in town for a few weeks. Nut after nut with 19-23 yo. And new girls to hook up with. Poor Sammon!

[QUOTE=Sammon;2752600]...After I came back here the girls I was with sent pictures of their friends who want to hook up with me. I guess they think I am an angel. I think I am a devil projecting myself as an angel LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2752610]If they thought you were an angel they would be keeping you for themselves. Maybe the fact that they are prepared to let you play with others they see limited opportunity with you. You are safe to pass on to others.

We all love these girls.[/QUOTE]This is the huge benefit to being straight with the girls.

"I'm single and am here to fall in love and marry a nice girl" and she is never going to let her eyes off you.

"I'm a butterfly but I'm also fun and generous" and introductions to friends and family pose no threat at all.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2752600]In my plan of attack I did not see much of a difference in payment factor. Before I use to pay 1500-2000 per day. Now 2500-3000 per day. I tend to treat girls very well. So what if I overpaid little. I did not take any gifts. They need money more than gifts. The girls I got all had decent jobs. Some work in call centers. So although they need money, they were not mercenary. None had any children and were between 19-23. [/QUOTE]Looks like you did very well in both terms of CPC (cost per creampie) and overall value.

In preparation for my upcoming trip I've been curating a new FB profile. I've mad a few posts in the local provincial buy / sell and community FB groups. On a casual basis each day there will be 2-3 friend requests from girls.

From previous trips I've had pit fall so having FB friends that are too diverse or who have friends in far off lands. I don't add any girl that is.

Living in middle east and just wants chat buddies.

Not within 60 minutes travel of my destinations.

2 kids.

35 years.

Not having a flexible job.

I am probably being harsh with these but realistically I don't want to spend time viewing some girl that I will get motivated to meet then find she is in Tabaco, a place I'm not visiting.

I'll also be hoping to take a girl along for some island hoping for a few days, so having flexibility is important.

I'm harsh on the kids number as I think a mother's motivation to leave her kids at her provincial house is not what I can deal with on a holiday. Yes I know they are nice, I Know they will make arrangements but there will be some constant chat about sending money home and needing to call regularly.

I don't actually chat many of these girls yet. I did send a test message to a girl that works in a Sari Sari store in Pasay. 26 years old, no kids, no husband (apparently). 5 minutes of chat and she's happy to close the shop and meet me at NAIA on arrival. I plan to just message a handful at each place and not be juggling all of the contacts at any one time.

I will close this FB profile on my way to NAIA when I'm leaving.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2759422]In preparation for my upcoming trip I've been curating a new FB profile. I've mad a few posts in the local provincial buy / sell and community FB groups. On a casual basis each day there will be 2-3 friend requests from girls.

From previous trips I've had pit fall so having FB friends that are too diverse or who have friends in far off lands. I don't add any girl that is.

Living in middle east and just wants chat buddies.

Not within 60 minutes travel of my destinations.

2 kids.

35 years.

Not having a flexible job.

I am probably being harsh with these but realistically I don't want to spend time viewing some girl that I will get motivated to meet then find she is in Tabaco, a place I'm not visiting.

I'll also be hoping to take a girl along for some island hoping for a few days, so having flexibility is important.

I'm harsh on the kids number as I think a mother's motivation to leave her kids at her provincial house is not what I can deal with on a holiday. Yes I know they are nice, I Know they will make arrangements but there will be some constant chat about sending money home and needing to call regularly.

I don't actually chat many of these girls yet. I did send a test message to a girl that works in a Sari Sari store in Pasay. 26 years old, no kids, no husband (apparently). 5 minutes of chat and she's happy to close the shop and meet me at NAIA on arrival. I plan to just message a handful at each place and not be juggling all of the contacts at any one time.

I will close this FB profile on my way to NAIA when I'm leaving.[/QUOTE]I'm even more picky. I don't want any girl with kids. And I specifically want a girl with a natural, unshaved pussy. I've gotten pretty good at determining a girl's "shaving status" without sounding offensive. LOL.

Not all the girls are scammers, some of them really need the money. When a girl says she doesn't have the money to come see me I offer to send her a grab with %100 success rate. That way I can even track how far she is.

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2763132]Not all the girls are scammers, some of them really need the money.[/QUOTE]Huh? Who doesn't need money?

[QUOTE=BroComplex;2763132]Not all the girls are scammers, some of them really need the money. When a girl says she doesn't have the money to come see me I offer to send her a grab with %100 success rate. That way I can even track how far she is.[/QUOTE]If they are on dating apps just to get free money off gullible foreigners (instead of seeking true love), then they are scammers. I've had a lot of experience with Pina Love over the years, and nine out of 10 girls are there to get money.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2763631]If they are on dating apps just to get free money off gullible foreigners (instead of seeking true love), then they are scammers. I've had a lot of experience with Pina Love over the years, and nine out of 10 girls are there to get money.[/QUOTE]I think I am beginning to learn a lesson. Met a chick on Thai Friendly that said she would drive 3 hours to see me if I would give her money for gas. Another chick told me the same thing before. With my thinking I would give them money when they were here in my presence. With their thinking I would send the money before they came. Their thinking is not my way of doing things.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2763631]If they are on dating apps just to get free money off gullible foreigners (instead of seeking true love), then they are scammers. I've had a lot of experience with Pina Love over the years, and nine out of 10 girls are there to get money.[/QUOTE]The Pinays were raised by wolves. The foreigners were raised by sheep. When the two meet in the meadow, nature takes its course.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2763631]If they are on dating apps just to get free money off gullible foreigners (instead of seeking true love), then they are scammers. I've had a lot of experience with Pina Love over the years, and nine out of 10 girls are there to get money.[/QUOTE]Its a violation of all dating site Terms Of Service for anyone on the site to ask another person on the site for money, at least while communicating thru the website. Reporting the instance with a copy / paste will result in the offender being banned. Once conversation is moved from the dating site to another chat app, anyone who lies in order to get money (or any other thing of value) is committing fraud.

Its difficult to find pinay who don't ask for money, from sites like DIA. Roughly 3 in 10 ask for money by the second chat. At least let me take you to dinner or a movie before you scam me.

Not to be outdone in the disgust department, a lot of men want to show their schwanz-tooga or ask to see her t*ts by several chats in.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2763836]Its a violation of all dating site Terms Of Service for anyone on the site to ask another person on the site for money, at least while communicating thru the website..[/QUOTE]I wonder if that's why so many ask for load? Maybe that escapes the text search bots and they can get away with that better than asking for cash.

I never did find out, can load be cashed out or refunded? I'm assuming it can.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2763836]Its a violation of all dating site Terms Of Service for anyone on the site to ask another person on the site for money, at least while communicating thru the website. Reporting the instance with a copy / paste will result in the offender being banned. Once conversation is moved from the dating site to another chat app, anyone who lies in order to get money (or any other thing of value) is committing fraud.

Its difficult to find pinay who don't ask for money, from sites like DIA. Roughly 3 in 10 ask for money by the second chat. At least let me take you to dinner or a movie before you scam me.

Not to be outdone in the disgust department, a lot of men want to show their schwanz-tooga or ask to see her t*ts by several chats in.[/QUOTE]In many cases, the Filipina and her entire family look on in astonished amusement as the geriatric monger brings his weather beaten mushroom to climax in a puff of dust. The recorded video may later be used to blackmail the monger or end up on dodgy Filipino porn sites with the title 'Malukot poriner jakul. '.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2763948]I wonder if that's why so many ask for load? Maybe that escapes the text search bots and they can get away with that better than asking for cash.[/QUOTE]Good question.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2763948]I never did find out, can load be cashed out or refunded? I'm assuming it can.[/QUOTE]A load can be xferred to another user on the same network (Globe to another Globe user, or Smart to Smart; its called 'passaload', or pass a load to me, and its found in dialing the *143# menu for Globe). Hence it can be transferred and sold from one Globe user to another.

I should tell you that most things sold to other pinoy (outside of immediate family) will be sold at a wild discount. A few examples:

1) You girl needs money and has no phone or GC. You offer to load her neighbor's (a third party) phone and have the neighbor sell the load by transferring the load to another Globe or Smart user (a fourth party). You load the neighbor's phone with p500. The neighbor (#1) transfers the 500 load to another neighbor (#2). #2 then hands #1 p300 cash, keeping 200 load for himself. Of the p300 cash in his hand, #1 then hands p200 to your girl, making 100 for himself. Your girl gets much less than you sent.

2) Your girl doesn't have a Gcash account. Her neighbor has a GC account. You send p500 (keeping the sample amount the same) from your GC to the neighbor's GC account for your girl. Your girl runs next door and asks the neighbor for pesos. The neighbor hands her p400 (or 300, or. . .). You never have any idea that she didn't get 500 pesos. Keep in mind that the neighbor must pay a 2% fee to cash-out your money, so that the most money possible for your girl to receive is p490. The most any of my girls have received from an outside party (neighbor) is 95%. Others got 50%.

3) Your girl doesn't have an ID to collect remittance. You remit p500 to her ID-bearing neighbor, who runs up the street to a nearby LBC and picks up p500 cash. The neighbor hands your girl p250, keeping half for herself.

Your girl contacts you asking p500 for cough syrup and antibiotic for her 2 yo daughter who has a cold. She has sent you a pic of the doctor's prescription. You send it thru one of the above methods to her cousin. The cousin keeps half the money. The girl buys only the cough medicine, which treats the symptom and not the cause. Two days later she is asking for money again, as the cough severity has returned when the syrup ran out. Nice chap that you are, you send to the cousin again, he keeps half again. This time she buys the antibiotic.

Your girl never mentions any of this to you. Even family members might keep an exorbitant fee of 20% - 50%. Knowing this, the girl might inflate (double) the amount she requests from you, to receive enough money to buy what she needs. She is literally at the mercy of the neighbor or fam member that you send money to.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2763965]Your girl never mentions any of this to you. Even family members might keep an exorbitant fee of 20% - 50%. Knowing this, the girl might inflate (double) the amount she requests from you, to receive enough money to buy what she needs. She is literally at the mercy of the neighbor or fam member that you send money to.[/QUOTE]Why wouldn't she just get her own ID and Gcash account so she can keep all the money?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764001]Why wouldn't she just get her own ID and Gcash account so she can keep all the money?[/QUOTE]There you go again. Thinking logically.

Many girls either have only a BC or Brgy ID, and not a valid ID. The ID system could / should get fixed one day when they roll out the National ID (supposedly next year). You can sign up for the National ID now (they just aren't available for delivery yet).

GC. I had assumed everyone in Phils had a GC account. But discovered months ago that some girls don't yet have one. Using GC means you must 'Verify' your account, by allowing the app to take your picture (a selfie), a picture of your valid ID (GC only accepts certain valid ID's), a selfie of you holding your valid ID next to your face, and possibly also a picture of your SIM card (your GC account can only be used with 1 phone number), and also possibly a selfie of you holding your SIM card next to your face. Usually the process goes smoothly, but you can't send money to anyone until you Verify.

Also if you Verify and then try sending money to another GC account that has not been verified, you get a warning msg from GC: "You are trying to send money to an Unverified GC account. Are you SURE you want to do that?

GC can be great, and also a PITA.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2764019]

GC. I had assumed everyone in Phils had a GC account. But discovered months ago that some girls don't yet have one. Using GC means you must 'Verify' your account, by allowing the app to take your picture (a selfie), a picture of your valid ID (GC only accepts certain valid ID's), a selfie of you holding your valid ID next to your face, and possibly also a picture of your SIM card (your GC account can only be used with 1 phone number), and also possibly a selfie of you holding your SIM card next to your face. Usually the process goes smoothly, but you can't send money to anyone until you Verify.

Also if you Verify and then try sending money to another GC account that has not been verified, you get a warning msg from GC: "You are trying to send money to an Unverified GC account. Are you SURE you want to do that?

GC can be great, and also a PITA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2763965]

1) You girl needs money and has no phone or GC....

2) Your girl doesn't have a Gcash account...

3) Your girl doesn't have an ID

Your girl contacts you asking p500

Your girl never mentions any of this to you...[/QUOTE]Waaay to hard for my feeble mind to handle.

If my girl isn't there sucking my dick then she doesn't get paid. The finer points of how she organises that is her issue. If the planets don't align, then I move on to one of the other 50 odd million women in the PI.

Sounds cruel but I'm not paying my hard earned cash to get bogged down in other people's problems.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764001]Why wouldn't she just get her own ID and Gcash account so she can keep all the money?[/QUOTE]Because the types of Filipinas that mongers meet on dating apps are desperately poor, have minimal education, are usually unemployed and are not organized like western girls. Most do not have bank accounts, PayPal accounts or GCash accounts. I've met girls who have jobs, but only possess an employer ID and no official ID. I've met college girls with college ID, but no official ID. When asked, the answer is always "I will get it next month".

The requests for money only start after the Filipina has taken the monger to another chat platform. If a request for help is turned down, the Filipina will terminate the conversation. There is no need to delete or block the girl. If a monger actually lands at NAIA, he is free to contact the girl again and invite her for a root. All would have been forgotten, and if she needs urgent cash, the chances of meeting are good.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2764031]Waaay to hard for my feeble mind to handle.

If my girl isn't there sucking my dick then she doesn't get paid. The finer points of how she organises that is her issue. If the planets don't align, then I move on to one of the other 50 odd million women in the PI.

Sounds cruel but I'm not paying my hard earned cash to get bogged down in other people's problems.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]For the 2-week warrior especially, GC and other remit-type services are rarely needed or wanted. The longer you live here, with multiple girls, GC is probably THE country standard app now for transferring money, pinoy to pinoy. Taxi drivers have started using it to receive fare. Just yesterday riding in a tryke with some lady, she tried to hand the driver a p500 note for a p20 fare. He balked. She didn't have anything smaller. Off the top of my head I asked her to ask him if he'd accept a GC payment. He agreed and that's how she paid. Almost all stores accept it now, as do many sari-sari's (they might add a convenience fee). GC can get you out of a jam if you only have large notes on you for a small item.

Who would bother going to Cebuana or LBC to remit money to family on another island, when they can send from their GC account directly to a family member elsewhere, instantly? GC is also great if you want to taxi a girl to you from wherever-the-eff-she-is, as Grab has a p79 fee for Manila. GC is also accepted by Lazada / Shopee, while many foreign debit and credit cards are not.

There are positives and negatives.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2764035]Because the types of Filipinas that mongers meet on dating apps are desperately poor, have minimal education, are usually unemployed and are not organized [/QUOTE]Hell. I figured the neighbor would probably be in that same category. If the neighbor could get one then why couldn't she? Easy money for whoever has their ducks in a row though. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2764031]Waaay to hard for my feeble mind to handle. If my girl isn't there sucking my dick then she doesn't get paid. [/QUOTE]Amen to that. Keep it simple.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2764031]Waaay to hard for my feeble mind to handle.

If my girl isn't there sucking my dick then she doesn't get paid. The finer points of how she organises that is her issue. If the planets don't align, then I move on to one of the other 50 odd million women in the PI.

Sounds cruel but I'm not paying my hard earned cash to get bogged down in other people's problems.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Limiting the scope of your mission to pounding your Pinay hard in the ass with your meat hammer will prevent you from getting bogged down in barangay politics. You are not there to educate the natives on the finer points of obtaining official identification and the use of merchant accounts to facilitate digital payment of sex services. The native men manage to purchase sex services without official identification or cash, a plastic bag filled with rice suffices as payment for services rendered.

All of the rework that I did prior to arrival where I had 7-10 names & numbers per location pretty well went out of the window.

As others have said it's better to just be here and work from the 'active' most recent results from the dating apps. If a girl is online then she is more likely to meet now.

Two of the university student types I've had lined up for evening study sessions bailed before their attendance. Maybe they got better offers. Maybe they didn't like the subjects that we had agreed for schooling.

As a case in point, call centre girl this afternoon.

First pina message 1202 pm.

Her work out 1300 hrs.

Meet for 'coffee' 1400 hrs.

[QUOTE=AsianPursuits;2764582]

As a case in point, call centre girl this afternoon.

First pina message 1202 pm.

Her work out 1300 hrs.

Meet for 'coffee' 1400 hrs.[/QUOTE]I've always wanted to see what's fastest, me getting through the airport or finding a hook-up online to meet at my hotel. Could be an even competition given that phones aren't allowed until after Immigration.

Sounds like a fun competition when I'm arriving next. I'm sure 3000 p, winner takes all, would ensure a good sized field. 🙂.

This is my first trip to Cebu in many years. Main purpose is diving but decided to spend a few days in the city and see what the whole dating site fuss is about. All I can say is, wow. Cebu is really the center of dating site hookups. I chatted with a few before I came. One was a TINY 35 kg, 4'11 with heels little spinner. She was the main course. But for appetizer a girl messaged me on the drive in from the airport. I thought I wanted get a quick rub out so not desperate. LOL. Girl comes over to the hotel only 20 min late (not bad at all). Quick negotiation in the lobby, she asked 2 k, offered 1 k she accepted plus 150 taxi fare. 24 yo single mom. Nice enough body and average face. No fuss BBFS creampie. She was sweet and accommodating so happily gave her 1500 and sent her off with a dripping pussy and a smile.

Main course was supposed to come at 7, showed up at 8. But she did keep me updated along the way along with real time tracking of her bus and she did leave home at 6 pm. It just took her 2 hours to get here. I was pleased with what I saw. 35 kg dripping wet and she could probably blow me standing up. She was not really a working girl. Took her to dinner first at the mall, she said she never ate chicken because her father is a fisherman and they eat only fish. She enjoyed a rotisserie chicken like it was Salt Bae steak. It was nice to watch. Back to my room relax on the bed, cuddle she falls asleep. I let her sleep a bit and then tell her I am going to shower. She gets the hint. After me she showers and climbs into bed naked. Still acting a bit shy. But then a little pussy play and I get a few fingers in and she turns into a freak. We must have fucked non stop for an hour. I am glad I got my first nut out so could last. All the positions, ball slapping ass spanking hair pulling fest. Finally creampie her. No talk of money at all. But I know she has kids and lives far away. I give her 1 k for taxi money and she smiles and puts it away. Wants to come back again tomorrow. Maybe worth a repeat. Only downside is she didn't blow me but I hardly missed it.

My Pinalove account is blowing up now that I am actually on the ground here. I can have a girl over pretty much anytime of day I think. Its quite different than AC but interesting in its own way. Good mix of semi pro and non pro in the mix. Semi pro for a quick pump and dump and non pro for a more relaxed date seems like a good plan to me.

So a few more days in Cebu city and I have to say I like this place. First of all its the only place in the Philippines where I have had good food. Ayala has some great options (Italienze for the best Italian at a ridiculously low price). Second the sheer number and variety of the girls online and willing to meet. Without going into a play by play I met a couple of the standard struggling single moms that were happy with 2 k for a date and fuck. Interesting that these single moms are also sex deprived and totally enjoy being drilled for hours. They arent as polished and great with the BJ but their innocence and watching their expressions as I pound the shit out of them is priceless. One was a recent mom and had full breasts that were leaking milk and she squirted too. Talk about a messy bed after!

Then there was the desperate Semi Pro who needed rent. I was reluctant but finally agreed if she agreed to whatever perverted desires I had. She came over and I put her through her paces, had her clean out my ass, take it however I wanted, took all the home porn videos I wanted and sent her home where she could pay her rent. You'd think after the abuse and desperation was over she would never want to see me again but no, she is constantly texting offering her self and her friends for more of the same. Maybe I was too nice to her. LOL.

2 "girls" turned out to be ladyboys even though I asked them up front if they were real girls. One I rejected from outside the hotel the other passed my screening and made it into the room. Then drama ensued when I kicked her out and security was involved. Fake girl got nothing out of but security made a 500 P tip. LOL.

The best find of the trip was regular girl. Not struggling, not asking money, offered to pay half the dinner the first time we met. First date ended just in some DFK in the taxi before she left but second and third nights she turned into the LBFM we all know and love so well. Crazy intense sex, rough play, slapping spanking she wanted it all. On the last night she started getting a bit emo and kept asking if I would still text her after I was gone. Of course baby I said. Maybe I actually will. She's a diver too and we talked about a trip to Dumagete (her home town) so maybe I will stay in touch with her.

Now in Moalbal and not expecting any action but Cebu City is great for the dating site players. Even 4-5 days was enough for me to fuck about 7-8 girls.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2766473]So a few more days in Cebu city and I have to say I like this place...

Now in Moalbal and not expecting any action but Cebu City is great for the dating site players. Even 4-5 days was enough for me to fuck about 7-8 girls.[/QUOTE]A good report. Thanks.

There are a few girls in Moalboal who operate online. A couple are available at short notice. Try Tinder and Cupid.

Of course, it's only a short bus ride to truck in your favourite from Cebu.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2766473]
2 "girls" turned out to be ladyboys even though I asked them up front if they were real girls. One I rejected from outside the hotel the other passed my screening and made it into the room. Then drama ensued when I kicked her out and security was involved. Fake girl got nothing out of but security made a 500 tip.[/QUOTE]YIKES. Reminds me of favorite quote from Afroman-Colt 45.

"I took her to my house, because I thought she was fine / BUT she wiped out dick that was bigger then mine" LOL 😆.

All jokes aside I'm glad that everyting turned out ok because that couldve turned into a really ugly situation like almost going to jail or leave the country ASAP ugly. We all like what we like so if folks partake in ladyboys that's cool BUT since I don't and if I ask them out right and they lie and then get all the way back to my place to reveal theyre a dude then Houston we have a problem. Folks have literally died because of being put in that situation so much props for you to hold on to your cool while resolving that situation.

Definitely enjoying your reports and others as I'm gearing up to make my way to the Philippines sometime next year. Keep them coming.

Peace.

I'm new at the chat game. I'm meeting women but the conversations are all the same. "How long are you staying in the Philippines?" "Why are you Married / Not Married," "Where are you from," etc. Once I get past this we start having more of an actual conversation.

Here is where I am having problems; how does one go from chit chat to suggesting some P4 P?

I'm hoping some of you who have had luck with the chat game can give me some advice.

Thanks.

KD.

[QUOTE=KittyDoctor;2770705]

Here is where I am having problems; how does one go from chit chat to suggesting some P4 P?

KD.[/QUOTE]Just ask them directly: "do you want to meet up for some fun?"

You will be surprised at how many say yes.

[QUOTE=KittyDoctor;2770705]I'm new at the chat game. I'm meeting women but the conversations are all the same. "How long are you staying in the Philippines?" "Why are you Married / Not Married," . . [/QUOTE]She's asking you that because she wants to know why you dumped every chick you've ever shagged. She's probably looking for a relationship. Those expectations can be adjusted a lot of times if everyone is honest. But a lot of these chicks don't want to be your holiday shag, or worse yet simply one in your lineup of holiday shags.

You can easily reach your million-word text mark with in a month or two, I hope you're using voice dictate.

You can get some fresh stuff without fucking her over if you do it right. I don't know how long you're here, what quality level you're after, how quickly you need results, and what is your patience level. But I have said to girls on many occasions, and in many countries, that I don't expect anything. If you're dealing with someone that don't have experience with foreigners, she needs to feel comfortable enough to actually get in the Jeep or taxi when the time comes. A lot of them are afraid, as I wrote earlier. Unless you're dealing with someone who's already in the game.

A quick way to get to the point is do what Python said. If you don't want to text until your hair turns gray, then end up being disappointed, just get to the point. She might stop text. Or next week her boardinghouse rent might come due. If that happens, you could still be a gentleman about it and tell her you dont expect anything, and she might sock it to you real hard, and you end up with some hot stuff that the typical two-week warrior wouldnt get. Allot of times the ones that say I hate sex are the ones that become the sex maniak. If thats not your gig, you may just want to keep it simple. Change your profile heading into something like On Holiday, Looking For Fun. You’ll still get response, just make sure she’s a real girl.

[QUOTE=KittyDoctor;2770705] "How long are you staying in the Philippines?" "Why are you Married / Not Married," "Where are you from,.[/QUOTE]If you are new to the game then you need to experiment with the range of answers that you can give to these. In many cases I believe they are rhetorical questions and you will go crazy trying to work out what answer get the result you want.

"How long are you staying in the Philippines?

To this I have experimented with I'm here until tomorrow to I live here. I have scored with all. Living here does open up new territory but the girls can be the same crazy.

"Why are you Married / Not Married.

To this I always have a standard story about how we grew apart and nothing last forever. Usually this elicits a story from her and builds some rapport.

"Where are you from.

Means nothing unless their ex was from the same country.

[QUOTE=KittyDoctor;2770705]I'm new at the chat game. I'm meeting women but the conversations are all the same. "How long are you staying in the Philippines?" "Why are you Married / Not Married," "Where are you from," etc. Once I get past this we start having more of an actual conversation.

Here is where I am having problems; how does one go from chit chat to suggesting some P4 P?

I'm hoping some of you who have had luck with the chat game can give me some advice.

Thanks.

KD.[/QUOTE]Open the attached to find the true meanings of the usual online questions.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2268535]Online Dating Sites Glossary.
[/QUOTE]Most of us, when new, thought we had to have stories or lie to cover our real intent. The truth is that Pinas are very accepting, have heard all the BS stories before, and it serves no purpose. No need to insult anyone but just be upfront and honest and you will get what you were looking for. Any that fall off weren't going to give you what you want anyway.

I prefer to get things clear early so that I don't have to wade through all the good girl, butter wouldn't melt in my mouth stories.

"I'm looking for a committed serious relationship".

"That's great. Are you open to some fun until Mr Right arrives?

"Sure!

Is a pretty common conversation.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sam14;2770756]
A quick way to get to the point is do what Python said. If you don't want to text until your hair turns gray, then end up being disappointed, just get to the point. She might stop text. Or next week her boardinghouse rent might come due. If that happens, you could still be a gentleman about it and tell her you dont expect anything, and she might sock it to you real hard, and you end up with some hot stuff that the typical two-week warrior wouldnt get. Allot of times the ones that say I hate sex are the ones that become the sex maniak. If thats not your gig, you may just want to keep it simple. Change your profile heading into something like On Holiday, Looking For Fun. Youll still get response, just make sure shes a real girl.[/QUOTE]If she says that she loves sex and wants to see your cock, her real pronoun is "he" not she.

I use exclusively DIA.

Started trolling couple of weeks back to line up for my next trip to Manila, Jakarta, back to Manila, cebu, back to Manila.

First Manila stopover. Philippine airlines stopover on the way to Jakarta. Arrives early morning and have about 14 hours till next flight. Will go to many hotels to try my luck for the duration. Have lined my previous Mindanao girl who gave me very good service last trip. She went home and now back in Manila. As usual with a sad story about phone and purse stolen which I ignored. She will stay with me whole day. She even invited me to stay in her room but maybe if I do not get a day hotel. Last time I gave her 3000 per day.

Jakarta- lined up three girls to visit me but none want to travel to Yogyakarta with me citing work issues. Let us see.

I might go to CJ and Bats to negotiate if I find a willing girl.

I am sure I will have fun in Jakarta. Asking price for one shot is 300,000. Not sure if that is the right price now.

Yogyakarta- Talked to a girl who says she is a teacher and will act as a guide but not sure will be a bed partner. Maybe she will find me a bed partner.

Manila- lined up a 19 year old girl who claims she is a virgin but I doubt it. Willing to stay with me for 2500 per night.

Cebu- there are three girls willing. 21 year old girl work is in Lapu Lapu and willing to meet me at airport and stay with me for 2500 a night. Not sure if I will keep her.

Next one is 19 year old for same price. Third one with a child wanted 2500 one shot. I told her that price will be whole night.

Manila+ if the supposedly virgin is good will keep her. Otherwise. There two options. One 19 year old girl wants to come for 5000 a night and other 23 year old girl for 3000 a night. And of ofcourse Mindanao girl is akepways at my beck and call.

There will be a report with pictures.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2788558]I use exclusively DIA.

Started trolling couple of weeks back to line up for my next trip to Manila, Jakarta, .....
Manila- lined up a 19 year old girl who claims she is a virgin but I doubt it. Willing to stay with me for 2500 per night.

Cebu- there are three girls willing. 21 year old girl work is in Lapu Lapu and willing to meet me at airport and stay with me for 2500 a night. Not sure if I will keep her.

Next one is 19 year old for same price. Third one with a child wanted 2500 one shot. I told her that price will be whole night.

Manila+ if the supposedly virgin is good will keep her. Otherwise. There two options. One 19 year old girl wants to come for 5000 a night and other 23 year old girl for 3000 a night. And of ofcourse Mindanao girl is akepways at my beck and call.

There will be a report with pictures.[/QUOTE]Is this your virgin? LOL.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2788558]I use exclusively DIA.

She will stay with me whole day. She even invited me to stay in her room but maybe if I do not get a day hotel. Last time I gave her 3000 per day.

/snip

Manila- lined up a 19 year old girl who claims she is a virgin but I doubt it. Willing to stay with me for 2500 per night.

Cebu- there are three girls willing. 21 year old girl work is in Lapu Lapu and willing to meet me at airport and stay with me for 2500 a night. Not sure if I will keep her.

Next one is 19 year old for same price. Third one with a child wanted 2500 one shot. I told her that price will be whole night.

Manila+ if the supposedly virgin is good will keep her. Otherwise. There two options. One 19 year old girl wants to come for 5000 a night and other 23 year old girl for 3000 a night. And of ofcourse Mindanao girl is akepways at my beck and call.[/QUOTE]Please keep your dating app (s) on standby for use when you are on the ground. Rather than trying to rouse a girl into action it can be easier to access a girl on the top of the search results that needs money at the time.

Meanwhile I am sure your time will be filled with an ongoing supply of fresh girls which may or may not be in your current radar.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2789222]Is this your virgin? LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe LOL. Mine lives in Caloocan. We chatted many times on cam. Will send pic after meeting.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2766473]So a few more days in Cebu city and I have to say I like this place. First of all its the only place in the Philippines where I have had good food. Ayala has some great options (Italienze for the best Italian at a ridiculously low price). Second the sheer number and variety of the girls online and willing to meet. Without going into a play by play I met a couple of the standard struggling single moms that were happy with 2 k for a date and fuck. Interesting that these single moms are also sex deprived and totally enjoy being drilled for hours. They arent as polished and great with the BJ but their innocence and watching their expressions as I pound the shit out of them is priceless. One was a recent mom and had full breasts that were leaking milk and she squirted too. Talk about a messy bed after!

Then there was the desperate Semi Pro who needed rent. I was reluctant but finally agreed if she agreed to whatever perverted desires I had. She came over and I put her through her paces, had her clean out my ass, take it however I wanted, took all the home porn videos I wanted and sent her home where she could pay her rent. You'd think after the abuse and desperation was over she would never want to see me again but no, she is constantly texting offering her self and her friends for more of the same. Maybe I was too nice to her. LOL.

2 "girls" turned out to be ladyboys even though I asked them up front if they were real girls. One I rejected from outside the hotel the other passed my screening and made it into the room. Then drama ensued when I kicked her out and security was involved. Fake girl got nothing out of but security made a 500 P tip. LOL.

The best find of the trip was regular girl. Not struggling, not asking money, offered to pay half the dinner the first time we met. First date ended just in some DFK in the taxi before she left but second and third nights she turned into the LBFM we all know and love so well. Crazy intense sex, rough play, slapping spanking she wanted it all. On the last night she started getting a bit emo and kept asking if I would still text her after I was gone. Of course baby I said. Maybe I actually will. She's a diver too and we talked about a trip to Dumagete (her home town) so maybe I will stay in touch with her.

Now in Moalbal and not expecting any action but Cebu City is great for the dating site players. Even 4-5 days was enough for me to fuck about 7-8 girls.[/QUOTE]Just doing some digging through old posts, nice read I must say. The lactating mom, was she 18-20 & from Pinalove? Was it post pregnancy or was she actually pregnant?

I've chatted with single moms, but I've yet to try breastmilk, what's it like from a Pinay? Hahah.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2766473]They arent as polished and great with the BJ but their innocence and watching their expressions as I pound the shit out of them is priceless. One was a recent mom and had full breasts that were leaking milk and she squirted too. Talk about a messy bed after![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bosshog2;2790023]Just doing some digging through old posts, nice read I must say. The lactating mom, was she 18-20 & from Pinalove? Was it post pregnancy or was she actually pregnant?

I've chatted with single moms, but I've yet to try breastmilk, what's it like from a Pinay? Hahah.[/QUOTE]Well, you might be in luck:

Milky. Not her real name. After her first child, and then for several years, her milk leaked like a broken faucet (admittedly, a sweet / sugary milk). Few things stopped the leaking. I had to change her from evenings to daytime ST because she soaked the bedsheets, blanket, and such. Originally skinny / flat, and after the milk came, big funbags. We had fun squeezing a nipple and making several sprays at once. Well, I had fun. She leaked so often that we went to a Uki place and picked up a bunch of extra shirts for her (half for her home and half for my place). Also some extra towels. She would sit around with her shirt off and keep a towel wrapped around her waist at times to catch the dairy fallout.

One day I diddled her doggy, on the hard wood hotel floor. The golden arches were swinging to and fro. Her boobs zigged and they zagged. Droplets of white joy whipped left and they whipped right. Some splattered on her neck, chin, and face on the heave; then backwards on her tummy and thighs on the ho, not to mention the floor. I loved it. When we finished she got up and headed to the CR to rinse off in the shower. I was right behind her skinny ass, her poon a-drippin' with my drippin's, her boobs still producing.

After, I handed her the prize and sent her on her way. On the way out the door she said: "Westy we have mess in the floor". Don't worry sweetie, I'll get a towel and clean that mess. After the way I man-handled her in the doggy, it was my pleasure. Especially the way she showed her appreciation.

Few years later Milky would later go on her merry way, wanting to be a good mother and girlfie to her pinoy. On her social media recently I saw her pic with her son, the funbags gone and returned to pre-preggers itty-bitty-titty-committee size, and still wearing one of the cheap t-shirts we purchased. I keep the floor memories deep in my soul. Moooooooo!

[QUOTE=Python75;2770747]Just ask them directly: "do you want to meet up for some fun?"

You will be surprised at how many say yes.[/QUOTE]Always be nice, but come to the point. Girls like clarity and men leading with respect.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2788558]I use exclusively DIA.

[/QUOTE]DIA has banned me twice for what they consider to be sexually inappropriate comments. I admit that on one occasion, I crossed their boundary (I told a pregnant girl who was looking for "support" that I had never fucked a pregnant woman other than my wife and asked her if she would come to my hotel within the next hour and have sex for money. I was packed and waiting to leave for the airport, and a long conversation was not possible so I came straight to the point. Ironically, my plane was canceled, as was my DIA account). The other time, like many guys here, I was simply expelled for no obvious reason.

So my question to Sammon is how you line up his girls? You seem to have agreed on service and a price before you gets to town. Does that mean you immediately go to WhatsApp or another similar App? Or do you spend some time letting them get to know you before going to another app? Or does DIA now let you be honest with the data and negotiate a price?

This is why I prefer PinaLove. I can say anything I want to the girl, and I have never been expelled (although sometimes I get blocked, like yesterday when I told a girl I was looking for a who defined the Shakespearean concept of "a lady in public and a working girl in the privacy of the bedroom" In any case, pardon the the diversion and tell me what your usual modus operandi is.

Thanks! MG.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2803207] tell me what your usual modus operandi is.

Thanks! MG.[/QUOTE]Using DIA since several years now, never banned.

But at some point I started seeing warning messages, surely because I was asking immediately for messenger or whatsapp.

So now, I say how are you, next I say Thanks, fine etc. And next I ask for another tool to chat quietly, just 2 or 3 msgs or max 5, before asking and then we switch on something else.

No problem at all by this way.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2803207]DIA has banned me twice for what they consider to be sexually inappropriate comments. I admit that on one occasion, I crossed their boundary (I told a pregnant girl .......
Thanks! MG.[/QUOTE]I have been also kicked out couple of times and now m playing safe and practicing following steps:

1. Changed IP address.

2. Changed phone and device once I'd been kicked out and dedicated new one only for DIA.

3. Made genuine profile and picture.

4. Gentle and polite with girls, never doing argument or making angry any girl. If some one report against the handle, the demerits would be counted against the profile and there possibilities to be kicked out again with out notice. Never use words expressing intercourse. Totally stopped talking about financial exchange for service. If necessary bringing the potential girls in other chat apps.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2803233]I have been also kicked out couple of times and now m playing safe and practicing following steps.[/QUOTE]Is DIA hunting that good that it's worth jumping through all the hoops? Everyone seems to have issues with what they can and can't say, getting banned, having to get new phones etc. I'm wondering why people bother when there are so many more productive apps out there?

For the record, I'm also banned, spent about 10 minutes trying to get back in, then just moved on to other apps. FilCupid, PinaLive and Tinder supply far more than I can handle. Each focusses on different qualities of girls soni pick which app according to what type of girl I'm long for.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2803207]DIA has banned me twice for what they consider to be sexually inappropriate comments. I admit that on one occasion, I crossed their boundary (I told a pregnant girl who was looking for "support" that I had never fucked a pregnant woman other than my wife and asked her if she would come to my hotel within the next hour and have sex for money. I was packed and waiting to leave for the airport, and a long conversation was not possible so I came straight to the point. Ironically, my plane was canceled, as was my DIA account). The other time, like many guys here, I was simply expelled for no obvious reason.

So my question to Sammon is how you line up his girls? You seem to have agreed on service and a price before you gets to town. Does that mean you immediately go to WhatsApp or another similar App? Or do you spend some time letting them get to know you before going to another app? Or does DIA now let you be honest with the data and negotiate a price?

This is why I prefer PinaLove. I can say anything I want to the girl, and I have never been expelled (although sometimes I get blocked, like yesterday when I told a girl I was looking for a who defined the Shakespearean concept of "a lady in public and a working girl in the privacy of the bedroom" In any case, pardon the the diversion and tell me what your usual modus operandi is.

Thanks! MG.[/QUOTE]My first message is Hi to whoever I am interested in. If they reply next is How are you followed by where exactly do you live. This is mainly because for any number of reasons where they live currently does not match location mentioned on profiles. Also they may live far away from the location.

Next I say I am coming to their location and if they want to stay with me. If they say yes I ask for WhatsApp number and continue conversation there.

Having lined up many prospective girls does not mean everything will pan out. But I like to line up many in that location so that I can pick and choose.

I never mention money on DIA. Never mention sex in any form. If they ask why I want them to stay with ne I just say for companionship.

One thing DIA is very strict is not to be mean to ladyboys. Cannot even ask if they are. Keep your cool even if someone annoys you and just ignore.

I have been banned only once and that is because I used some choice words to a ladyboy who carried on messaging me even after I said I am not interested. After I changed my I phone and SIM card I opened new account. So far working good. Meanwhile I have managed to gather a harem on demand although looking for new conquests. My harem girls refer me others. I do take care of the girls nicely.

I have blocked many girls for various reasons. I believe they keep track of how many times I have been blocked and also how many times I blocked others. If you are blocked by many girls you are likely to be kicked out. They do not look at the reasons. So my advice is if someone is mean to you block the immediately.
All my negotiations about time, price, webcam interviews done on WhatsApp. There are no restrictions on WhatsApp.
I only use DIA exclusively. No other dating app.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2803340]My first message is Hi to whoever I am interested in. If they reply next is How are you followed by where exactly do you live. This is mainly because for any number of reasons where they live currently does not match location mentioned on profiles. Also they may live far away from the location..[/QUOTE]Girls misrepresenting where they are gives me the shits big time. Almost as bad a them forgetting they have a dick.

Pina Love has a good set up where they display how far she is away from your search area (either 'Near Me' or a city eg Makati). And that's regardless of her declared location. If her profile says Makati but she comes up as 900 miles away, then she's likely in the province or even Saudi.

This also helps those newbies not familiar with the different areas close to the major cities. Eg one might over look a Quiapo girl not realising she is only 2 miles away.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2803343]Girls misrepresenting where they are gives me the shits big time. Almost as bad a them forgetting they have a dick.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I laughed so hard I think I hurt something.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2803328]Is DIA hunting that good that it's worth jumping through all the hoops? Everyone seems to have issues with what they can and can't say, getting banned, having to get new phones etc. I'm wondering why people bother when there are so many more productive apps out there?

For the record, I'm also banned, spent about 10 minutes trying to get back in, then just moved on to other apps. FilCupid, PinaLive and Tinder supply far more than I can handle. Each focusses on different qualities of girls soni pick which app according to what type of girl I'm long for.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Totally agreeable.

To be noted that the banning things DIA applying on girls handle too same as happening on boys for similar reasons. For me DIA have different taste that other apps don't have. Little more digging with patience I used to found new gems in the game, those relatively very less in other apps. Tinder is full of hardcore pros. Pinalove have msg sending issues, and now days it became full of hard cores too. Filcupid also the same, for me not enough worthy to be a paid member. But it's just me. For Others may have different eligibility of every other apps.

Happy Hunting.

Do DIA messages expire or get auto deleted after a set time?

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807223]Do DIA messages expire or get auto deleted after a set time?

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]Messages don't but the pics dose.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807223]Do DIA messages expire or get auto deleted after a set time?

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]I have messages still in my inbox back to 2018. Many disappear if the profile is removed the old messages associated are deleted.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2803340]My first message is Hi to whoever I am interested in. If they reply next is How are you followed by where exactly do you live. This is mainly because for any number of reasons where they live currently does not match location mentioned on profiles. Also they may live far away from the location.

Next I say I am coming to their location and if they want to stay with me. If they say yes I ask for WhatsApp number and continue conversation there.

Having lined up many prospective girls does not mean everything will pan out. But I like to line up many in that location so that I can pick and choose.

I never mention money on DIA. Never mention sex in any form. If they ask why I want them to stay with ne I just say for companionship.

One thing DIA is very strict is not to be mean to ladyboys. Cannot even ask if they are. Keep your cool even if someone annoys you and just ignore.

I have been banned only once and that is because I used some choice words to a ladyboy who carried on messaging me even after I said I am not interested. After I changed my I phone and SIM card I opened new account. So far working good. Meanwhile I have managed to gather a harem on demand although looking for new conquests. My harem girls refer me others. I do take care of the girls nicely.

I have blocked many girls for various reasons. I believe they keep track of how many times I have been blocked and also how many times I blocked others. If you are blocked by many girls you are likely to be kicked out. They do not look at the reasons. So my advice is if someone is mean to you block the immediately.
All my negotiations about time, price, webcam interviews done on WhatsApp. There are no restrictions on WhatsApp.
I only use DIA exclusively. No other dating app.[/QUOTE]This is a very useful primer on how to meet a DIA girl. The main rules: 1) never mention money using DIA messaging. Save that for WhatsApp. 2) never mention a desire to have sex. Invite the girls to spend time with you, but never mention sex. That can be explicitly discussed on WhatsApp as well. 3) never complain to Ladyboys no matter how rude they are.

I am curious about a few more things. Sammon, do you avoid the girls whose profiles say "Not for Fun", "looking for LTR only" , "no married men" and similar stuff. A few years ago, I discovered that many girls said this, but were willing to meet me nevertheless. I also discovered that once they were at my hotel, the chances of having sex with them were greater than 95%. But that was a decade ago. There are so many girls on DIA that it is not necessary to constantly lie to them, but I am wondering if the girls are still quite as forgiving as they were in the past.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2807624]This is a very useful primer on how to meet a DIA girl. The main rules: 1) never mention money using DIA messaging. Save that for WhatsApp. 2) never mention a desire to have sex. Invite the girls to spend time with you, but never mention sex. That can be explicitly discussed on WhatsApp as well. 3) never complain to Ladyboys no matter how rude they are.

I am curious about a few more things. Sammon, do you avoid the girls whose profiles say "Not for Fun", "looking for LTR only" , "no married men" and similar stuff. A few years ago, I discovered that many girls said this, but were willing to meet me nevertheless. I also discovered that once they were at my hotel, the chances of having sex with them were greater than 95%. But that was a decade ago. There are so many girls on DIA that it is not necessary to constantly lie to them, but I am wondering if the girls are still quite as forgiving as they were in the past.[/QUOTE]The only area that I differ from Sam is that he makes contact early about meeting upon arrival next week or month where as I wait until I'm in country and ask about meeting after work or school. I've found that this dramatically improves the girls' interest and reduces no-show rates. It also weeds out some of the scammers who never want to meet but just want cash sent for whatever calamity has befallen them.

It would be fair to say, however, that Sam targets a better quality of girl than me: he chases good girls interested in some fun; I'm generally looking for purely commercial girls that will drop around at short notice.

I don't even read profiles past age and location. Comments of LTR or serious only mean nothing and are only there to protect the girls reputation should friends or family read the profile.

I'd agree that any girl who comes to your room alone isn't there to measure for new curtains. Even security blanket friends will soon disappear once it's clear the guy isn't a psycho.

I found lying to girls counter productive. I've been told many times that they have heard all the BS stories before and know instinctively when the guy is lying and it's a turn off rather than cover story. As long as the girls know that nothing is going to impact them in the next hour or two (eg a crazy wife bursting through the door) then they don't care. I've actually been thanked for being honest upfront: "we can still be friends". It's also a subtle was of confirming that the guy only wants casual fun and not a real serious relationship. A wedding ring displays those intentions very clearly. Generally, I only chat with two or three girls per trip who refuse to meet me on moral grounds.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807769]The only area that I differ from Sam is that he makes contact early about meeting upon arrival next week or month where as I wait until I'm in country and ask about meeting after work or school. I've found that this dramatically improves the girls' interest and reduces no-show rates. It also weeds out some of the scammers who never want to meet but just want cash sent for whatever calamity has befallen them.

It would be fair to say, however, that Sam targets a better quality of girl than me: he chases good girls interested in some fun; I'm generally looking for purely commercial girls that will drop around at short notice.[/QUOTE]The girls are ready to meet in short notice as I experienced are all of COMMERCIAL gilrs (in your terms). The girls are in my interest generally I need at least 2 months time of chatting. These girls always refused to meet even for one week notice or already I am in Philippines.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807769]I don't even read profiles past age and location. Comments of LTR or serious only mean nothing and are only there to protect the girls reputation should friends or family read the profile.[/QUOTE]LTR or not for fun or serious relationship etc good words are only for use. In the end they are ready to meet even for a day, knowing they might be ignored or forgotten next. They just taken chance if there any profitable things happen. Some are super stingy but in the end they give up.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807769]I'd agree that any girl who comes to your room alone isn't there to measure for new curtains. Even security blanket friends will soon disappear once it's clear the guy isn't a psycho.[/QUOTE]The word they use "they need to know us first". It's only meant they need to be confirmed, they would not be harmed if they going to stay with a stranger they met in dating site. There are old news, some girls got killed by the foreigners they went to meet.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2807769]I found lying to girls counter productive. I've been told many times that they have heard all the BS stories before and know instinctively when the guy is lying and it's a turn off rather than cover story. As long as the girls know that nothing is going to impact them in the next hour or two (eg a crazy wife bursting through the door) then they don't care. I've actually been thanked for being honest upfront: "we can still be friends". It's also a subtle was of confirming that the guy only wants casual fun and not a real serious relationship. A wedding ring displays those intentions very clearly. Generally, I only chat with two or three girls per trip who refuse to meet me on moral grounds.[/QUOTE]Perfectly correct.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2808436]The girls are ready to meet in short notice as I experienced are all of COMMERCIAL gilrs (in your terms). The girls are in my interest generally I need at least 2 months time of chatting. These girls always refused to meet even for one week notice or already I am in Philippines..[/QUOTE]I wrote out a long reply, then it got dost to the internet demons 🤬.

Suffice to say there are all manner of girls: virgins who will never meet a foreigner, thru girls who will only fuck a guy as part of a long term relationship down to those who will go with whomever pays the price of admission.

I've never seen anyone that needs months of chatting before meeting. I've always got a timely yes or no. I'd be concerned that anyone taking months would be setting up a long con. I would have given up or gotten bored by this time and moved on anyway.

Be careful, I've seen many guys get burned by putting girls on a pedestal.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2808436]The girls are in my interest generally I need at least 2 months time of chatting. These girls always refused to meet even for one week notice or already I am in Philippines.[/QUOTE]That is absurd. I want to hurry up and meet so I know I am not wasting my time. Whenever a chick comes with some BS like this I say are you here to meet someone or not? If I came up to you in a grocery store or mall and you gave me your number, we would have to go our separate ways and chat for 2 months before we could go out? That would be as ridiculous as them telling you you have to wait 2 months to meet simply because you first said Hello, to each other online.

I do not know why people have a different notion of meeting people online than they do meeting someone in person. If someone is a scumbag then they can wait 2 months to be the same scumbag that they are going to be by waiting 1 day. The only difference is that you wasted a bunch of your time waiting to find out.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2807624]

I am curious about a few more things. Sammon, do you avoid the girls whose profiles say "Not for Fun", "looking for LTR only" , "no married men" and similar stuff. A few years ago, I discovered that many girls said this, but were willing to meet me nevertheless. I also discovered that once they were at my hotel, the chances of having sex with them were greater than 95%. But that was a decade ago. There are so many girls on DIA that it is not necessary to constantly lie to them, but I am wondering if the girls are still quite as forgiving as they were in the past.[/QUOTE]To answer I do not read what the girls write. I am not interested in what they like or not like or what their goal is. I am not dwelling into their life. I read their statistics like how tall, shape, kid or no kid and ofcourse age and location. All the other bullshit like looking for marriage, never had a BF etc I ignore. After saying Hi and if she replies next message is I am coming there and would she like to stay with me. If yes take the conversation to WhatsApp or messenger etc.

Once there I show my true intentions. If agreed chat on cam to make sure the girl is attractive and tickles my fancy. I go for 19 to 25 year olds. Granted many girls drop out when I show my intentions. I wish them good luck. Some do come back later and want to be me.

Reason I plan early is I do not have time to waste. My schedule is already set with regard to where I stay and how long. I want to maximize my fun in limited time. After meeting and having sex I have booted some out for various reasons. At this point I lie saying something came up or I have a meetings etc. If we connect and sex is good I keep her. If she is quite pretty I take her out for dinner. Some young girls do not want to be seen with an older foreigner. I respect that and I usually bring her take out food. All get breakfast in the mornings. If I am really happy with her I tend to keep her longer. There are many willing girls I have failed to meet because of this. No regrets like they say bird in hand!

I have no idea why but, after being banned several times, DIA has sprung back into life for me. We'll sort of. I can access it via Chrome and the website on my phone. But if I install the App I get a wrong username / password error and can't log in. I'm using the same phone, username and password in both instances but no VPN, IP blocking etc.

Any ideas??

Thanks. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2814440]I have no idea why but, after being banned several times, DIA has sprung back into life for me. We'll sort of. I can access it via Chrome and the website on my phone. But if I install the App I get a wrong username / password error and can't log in. I'm using the same phone, username and password in both instances but no VPN, IP blocking etc.

Any ideas??

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]I use it on both mobile and desktop but both via Chrome, so no issues on both. Sorry but no idea why the app don't work, maybe via Chrome on mobile will be a bypass.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2814440]I have no idea why but, after being banned several times, DIA has sprung back into life for me. We'll sort of. I can access it via Chrome and the website on my phone. But if I install the App I get a wrong username / password error and can't log in. I'm using the same phone, username and password in both instances but no VPN, IP blocking etc.

Any ideas??

Thanks. G.[/QUOTE]Go with what works?

Hi there guys, does anyone knows how to get around this limit? See pic.

This is not friendly to monger :(

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2815233]Hi there guys, does anyone knows how to get around this limit? See pic.

This is not friendly to monger :([/QUOTE]It is three new messages to new people in one hour. Unless someone replies. Then it is unlimited to that person. I believe this done to deter people to continually send Hi to everyone. I am guilty of doing that.

There is no way around it. Better accept because DIA is finicky. Any wrong move from you and you will be banned.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2815262]It is three new messages to new people in one hour. Unless someone replies. Then it is unlimited to that person. [/QUOTE]Or if they like you first.

I think I've been getting 5 messages but not 100% sure as the clock counts from the first message not the last in the allowed block. Blast out 5 messages in quick succession and you will be waiting 60 minutes to be able to continue. Browse for 5 or 10 minutes between each message, and you will only wait a few minutes before being able to send one or two more.

Moral of the story is to be more selective. Response rates are high so no need to cast a wide net.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2815233]Hi there guys, does anyone knows how to get around this limit? See pic.

This is not friendly to monger :([/QUOTE]A common response on many bulletin boards to prevent spammers and automated bots.

How good is this website?

Should we check there before starting a conversation with a night candidate?

[URL]https://romancescamsnow.com/dating-scams/more-philippines-scammers/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2817428]How good is this website?

Should we check there before starting a conversation with a night candidate?

[URL]https://romancescamsnow.com/dating-scams/more-philippines-scammers/[/URL][/QUOTE]1. Start sending messages to your preferred girl Make sure she lives at the location you are visiting.

2. Never ever send any money before meeting even if she is on her death bed or her Buffalo is dying along with her family.

3. Never send any money for travel. It is as good as gone.

4. Always meet the girl if she is coming alone. Never entertain with friend or family. Discuss all this before meeting on chat off dating site.

5. You can always check age on meeting.

6. Discuss money issue before meeting. I always do.

7. Once you get to know her and get good service be generous.

No need to check her before. All situations have to be personally handled.

If you are afraid stick to bargirls. Not many people can handle dating site girls.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2817447]1. Start sending messages to your preferred girl Make sure she lives at the location you are visiting.

2. N.....
7. Once you get to know her and get good service be generous.

No need to check her before. All situations have to be personally handled.

If you are afraid stick to bargirls. Not many people can handle dating site girls.[/QUOTE]Just deleted my DIA acct, this time limitations drive me crazy, I stayed using pinalove even so the quality is not as good as DIA.

I have recently had a rash of young women ask me for my WhatsApp after one conversation or even just message me out-of-the-blue and say, "Hi, what is your WhatsApp?" While I have chatted with a few girls who have given me their WhatsApp, I have deep suspicions about sharing my WhatsApp with girls who ask me up front for the number.

Have others experienced this too? If the girls are going to suggest P4 P, I am good with that but is there anything else I should be concerned about?

If a girl ask or give you whatsapp right away, either they are cam models, or will ask you money in matter of hours or day.

So far I never had a girl who asked my whatsapp had other intention then asking for money.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2826951]I have recently had a rash of young women ask me for my WhatsApp after one conversation or even just message me out-of-the-blue and say, "Hi, what is your WhatsApp?" While I have chatted with a few girls who have given me their WhatsApp, I have deep suspicions about sharing my WhatsApp with girls who ask me up front for the number.

Have others experienced this too? If the girls are going to suggest P4 P, I am good with that but is there anything else I should be concerned about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2826951]I have recently had a rash of young women ask me for my WhatsApp after one conversation or even just message me out-of-the-blue and say, "Hi, what is your WhatsApp?" While I have chatted with a few girls who have given me their WhatsApp, I have deep suspicions about sharing my WhatsApp with girls who ask me up front for the number.

Have others experienced this too? If the girls are going to suggest P4 P, I am good with that but is there anything else I should be concerned about?[/QUOTE]WhatsApp is very widely used by girls, both good and nawty. Any girl making the first move to contact strange white guys is most likely looking for business.

It's 99% harmless. Just don't do anything on video chat that you would not like screen captured and circulated. Be wary of girls who want to get dirty on video after getting your Facebook / private details. The scam is to get photos or videos of guys in compromised situations then blackmail threatening to send them to family or work contacts.

Obviously don't fall for any crypto or finance scams.

The above a rare but do happen so aware without being paranoid.

Enjoy.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2826999]WhatsApp is very widely used by girls, both good and nawty. Any girl making the first move to contact strange white guys is most likely looking for business.

It's 99% harmless.....

Enjoy.

G.[/QUOTE]Is not only whatsapp, this girl asked me to add her in telegram and the first thing she sent me this pic. Cute girl in face. From pinalove. Didnt agree her cost is too high. Maybe inflation?

Hi M.

You need to have adequate time (2 weeks) before reaching PH with DIA. You won't be able to search upon arrival. Response will take. Too long.

Once you have a positive reply, you need to move on to Whatspp. Try getting at least 20 and time them well.

Victor.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2815233]Hi there guys, does anyone knows how to get around this limit? See pic.

This is not friendly to monger :([/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2833623]Is not only whatsapp, this girl asked me to add her in telegram and the first thing she sent me this pic. Cute girl in face. From pinalove. Didnt agree her cost is too high. Maybe inflation?[/QUOTE]Two shots for 10 K would be fine for me. At my age, this might be 4 hours of her time. 165€! I could live with that price.

[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/scodellen[/URL]

A friend with benefits?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2841100][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/scodellen[/URL]

A friend with benefits?[/QUOTE]Those of us that don't have PL can not see that.

Hey guys,

Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.

PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?

Thanks in advance.

Tom.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.

PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?[/QUOTE]Its difficult to do. If she is picking up cash, say at BDO, Cebuana, LBC, M Lhuillier, or other remit location, she will need your full sending name and phone number for the forms she must fill out. You can remit directly to her GCash with some remit services (ie, Remitly) thru your bank account (might take a week) or debit card (instant), but remit services requires your full info when you make an account with them, and GC requires that info from your remit service so they can transmit the info to the recipient via txt msg ("You have received a cash-in of P2,500 on 08/06/2023 04:52 PM from Thomas Casey. Your GCash remittance from the USA has reference number blah blah blah", or such for the receiver).

An alternate idea. Remit the money to another person in Phils that you trust (if that exists). They can then remit the money directly to your girl, without giving your name.

In addition, if you do send, you will need to enter her name exactly as it appears on her valid government ID (even if her name is not spelled correctly on said ID).

Anonymous sending is the dream of the terrorist. Other gents buzz in please.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]Hey guys,

Before you jump on me, NO, I am not sending money to someone because of a weird skin lesion, a dying grandmother, or some other BS story that we've all heard a bunch of times. I do however have a regular that I usually have my GFE with when I'm in town. She's never once asked me for money however this time around, I want her to buy some thing and therefore want to send her some money in advance.

PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?

Thanks in advance.

Tom.[/QUOTE]Almost impossible through any legit channel due to anti money laundering laws.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2844438]Almost impossible through any legit channel due to anti money laundering laws.[/QUOTE]If there was such a person in the Philippines that can act as the third party in the middle person, would be the ideal, but I don't think it exist.

[QUOTE=ThomasCasey;2844253]
PayPal obviously is a no-go since it shows my full name and I don't want a trail. Is there any other method that is common in the Phils for sending money electronically but anonymously as well from my end?
Tom.[/QUOTE]Actually you will not risk any personal information transferring money to a digital wallet in the Philippines.

These are options I use regularly, I actually use them to send money to my self in the Philippines as well. But they can be used to send anyone money in the Philippines anonymously.

Remitly to Gcash / payMaya.

Wise to Gcash / payMaya.

Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.

Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.

Business paypal to paypal.

The person who receives this money will only get the last few digits of the bank account number of the company you sent the money with and a confirmation number none of your information would be passed along this way. To be extra sure after verifying/creating your Remitly, Wise or Coin.ph account change any identifying account information i.e. the name and phone number(Google Voice) that do not identify you personally. I have included a pic of the information they will receive when they get the transfer to the gcash wallet.

This would mean that she would have to set up a Gcash wallet or Paymaya wallet.

Alternatively she could set up a coins. Ph wallet and you can send Bitcoin to her coins. Ph account and she would transfer this out of coins to a digital wallet or cash out however she sees fit. That would also not have any personal information in it other than your BTC wallet information. Do not do a coins.ph to coins.ph transfer as this sometimes will reveal your real name.

Lastly you can also create a paypal business account to send the money which some people use to make anonymous donations, and in the business information make sure to not use any identifying information, I don't recommend this as the other methods are easier but it is possible to do as well.

Also I would like to point out that its not totally anonymous as you will need her real information to send the money, the only person that would be incognito would be yourself.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2844475]If there was such a person in the Philippines that can act as the third party in the middle person, would be the ideal, but I don't think it exist.[/QUOTE]This can done with load-to-cash in last ditch situations. Sometimes bar girls will ask for "just load" for globe or smart. What they do with this is try and sell the load for PHP, on facebook you will find a myriad of LoadToCash groups where you can seek out a third party to convert your load to cash. Of course the conversion rate is not going to be great using this method.

You used to be able to convert load to cash within the globe eco-system but this has long been disabled. You could in the past also cash out load at 7-11s which still may or may not work.

Valid Anon options:

Remitly to payMaya.

Wise to payMaya.

Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.

Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.

Business paypal to paypal.

I need to post a retraction for Remitly and Wise to Gcash it may or may not send your name along with the money, I have confirmed that it both does not and does send the name of the sender.

I don't know why it is not consistent however, Paymaya does not show the senders name for now. I have updated this list to reflect the valid anon payment methods.

I learned that in some rare cases GCash will actually show the person name that sent the money but it is intermittent. I just did a few transfers and paymaya still does not show the senders name and coin. Ph to Gcash does not. Why I am sending the money is "secret" however it is NOT to bar girls LOL!

One way to send money to someone in phils is to find a girl you trust to receive the money and then distribute it and break her off a tip. I sometimes do this if I want to make sure I am not identifiable. Bar girls will sometimes use their friends paypal / bank account to receive money in order to accomplish this as well. They will use the excuse that they don't have ID.

Since you guys are discussing transfers maybe someone can give me a solution. Over 15 years have I sent various girls money. Did I get suckered a few times, I'm sure I did. I learned my lesson for the most part but I still have two or three I know I like to help with food, power or rent. It seems on the money services there must be some kind of data base. Western Union has limited me to 3 transfers per month in their stores, online no and Remity, RIA, Moneygram, Wise and a couple others have blocked me completely. I'm guessing there must be a data base as if I sign up for a new one, which there are several more it blocks me immediately. I've even changed emails a few times but somehow they got wise to that. A couple girls do have bank accounts so I can do a bank to bank wire but at $25 per wire that gets pricy. I'm sending from US so I know we are probably getting sticky on sending money out of country unless its to Latin America countries then you can send all you want.

Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.

Amazing resource. I started Remitly but if I use it will use it for PayMaya. Thanks for the insight. Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844707]Valid Anon options:

Remitly to payMaya.

Wise to payMaya.

Coins. Ph to Gcash / payMaya.

Bitcoin to Coins. Ph.

Business paypal to paypal.

I need to post a retraction for Remitly and Wise to Gcash it may or may not send your name along with the money, I have confirmed that it both does not and does send the name of the sender.

I don't know why it is not consistent however, Paymaya does not show the senders name for now. I have updated this list to reflect the valid anon payment methods.

I learned that in some rare cases GCash will actually show the person name that sent the money but it is intermittent. I just did a few transfers and paymaya still does not show the senders name and coin. Ph to Gcash does not. Why I am sending the money is "secret" however it is NOT to bar girls LOL!

One way to send money to someone in phils is to find a girl you trust to receive the money and then distribute it and break her off a tip. I sometimes do this if I want to make sure I am not identifiable. Bar girls will sometimes use their friends paypal / bank account to receive money in order to accomplish this as well. They will use the excuse that they don't have ID.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2844826]Since you guys are discussing transfers maybe someone can give me a solution. Over 15 years have I sent various girls money. Did I get suckered a few times, I'm sure I did. I learned my lesson for the most part but I still have two or three I know I like to help with food, power or rent. It seems on the money services there must be some kind of data base. Western Union has limited me to 3 transfers per month in their stores, online no and Remity, RIA, Moneygram, Wise and a couple others have blocked me completely. I'm guessing there must be a data base as if I sign up for a new one, which there are several more it blocks me immediately. I've even changed emails a few times but somehow they got wise to that. A couple girls do have bank accounts so I can do a bank to bank wire but at $25 per wire that gets pricy. I'm sending from US so I know we are probably getting sticky on sending money out of country unless its to Latin America countries then you can send all you want.

Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.[/QUOTE]Two items here:

1) Blocking. I got blocked by all of them eventually (for not complying with their requests for me to send pics of my ID, then later pics of myself with the intended recipient). As a last straw, I decided to send such documents to one of those remit companies mentioned. They re-instated my account. About every 18 months they suddenly stop this or that simple p1000 send for no apparent reason. They call me on the phone to ask some security questions, then allow the transfer. No problems for another 18 or so months.

2) Paying a girl's bills. Good news. As you never know if a girl is telling the truth about why she's requesting money. Many of the utilities (water and electric) now accept electronic payment (especially GCash). Anyone with GC can make a payment to these companies. If a girl tells me that she needs p1500 for electric cut off, I have her send me a pic of the recent electric bill. All the data needed to pay the bill by GC are on the bill: Account number, Account owner's name, amount due. You can open GC (or possibly Paymaya or other), click on PAY BILLS, choose from a long list of Phils utilities (the girl's electric company), enter the account number, owner's name, and amount due, and pay the bill (or any portion you want) immediately via GC. You will get a GC confirmation with reference number, which you can screen capture and send to your girl.

If you are outside of Phils, this obviously doesn't work. You could send the money to a more trusted person's GC in Phils, and ask them to pay the girl's utility thru GC. That would get you a screen capture of the actual payment via the trusted person.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2844826]
Anyone have a tip how I can get around being blocked or another way to do this would be appreciated, I'm out of ideas.[/QUOTE]If you are being blocked your best option is Bitcoin to Coins. Ph:

BTC-Bitcoin, use any bitcoin broker to buy bitcoin and then transfer this bitcoin to coins. Ph to convert it into pesos. Their is no way anyone can stop you from doing this.

So you buy your main store of currency in BTC and then you can dole it out to your girls coins. Ph accounts. One caveat is that depending on your BTC broker your conversion cost could be as much as 10-20%.

You can leave it up to them to sort out how to transfer the BTC to PHP as you are doing your part by sending them the money.

If you are unfamiliar with BTC this is how this works:

You buy BTC with a debt card (instant) or bank transfer (3-5 days) and this goes into "YOUR" BTC wallet (their are other coins but for your purposes you only want to deal with BTC).

BTCWALLET1: 23 efsdfsdfskidfj3423 edsfsdsdfsdfsfd.

Your girls sign up for Coins. Ph and get a Coins. Ph BTC wallet.

COINSBTCWALLET1: 3453534523 ewdfsrfwefsda34 rdsfsdf.

You then send money from your wallet to the girls wallet at which time your girl will receive the money in about 30 min to an hour? She will then convert the BTC to PHP within the coins. Ph app and then proceed to cash out, cash out options are plentiful they include Cebuana Lhuillier, for physical pick ups and all of the digital wallets for convince as well as just about everything else.

By far the easiest would be a service like remitly / wise and you do lose some money in the conversation to BTC but NO one can stop you using this method even if they wanted to as many girls as you see fit.

FYI: BTC can be volatile and storing BTC can lead to massive losses or a rapid appreciation in your funds just depending on when you purchase the bitcoin. Just keep this in mind. I would recommend sending the BTC as soon as you get it to avoid any implied volatility.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2844926]

...I got blocked by all of them eventually...

...If you are outside of Phils, this obviously doesn't work. You could send the money to a more trusted person's GC in Phils, and ask them to pay the girl's utility thru GC. That would get you a screen capture of the actual payment via the trusted person....[/QUOTE]Getting blocked usually means that there is more than 1 person sending money to this same persons account or you are sending money to more than 1 girl. To keep getting blocked to a minimum I would limit sending money to one remittance platform per girl.(this does not apply when sending BTC)

Coins. Ph allows you to pay bills outside the Philippines. Including NBI clearance and government offices, cable bills, electric ect. Just about everything.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844988]Getting blocked usually means that there is more than 1 person sending money to this same persons account or you are sending money to more than 1 girl. To keep getting blocked to a minimum I would limit sending money to one remittance platform per girl.(this does not apply when sending BTC)

Coins. Ph allows you to pay bills outside the Philippines. Including NBI clearance and government offices, cable bills, electric ect. Just about everything.[/QUOTE]Excellent intel. Go team MM.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844979]If you are being blocked your best option is Bitcoin to Coins. Ph:

BTC-Bitcoin, use any bitcoin broker to buy bitcoin and then transfer this bitcoin to coins. Ph to convert it into pesos. Their is no way anyone can stop you from doing this.

So you buy your main store of currency in BTC and then you can dole it out to your girls coins. Ph accounts. One caveat is that depending on your BTC broker your conversion cost could be as much as 10-20%.

You can leave it up to them to sort out how to transfer the BTC to PHP as you are doing your part by sending them the money.

If you are unfamiliar with BTC this is how this works:

You buy BTC with a debt card (instant) or bank transfer (3-5 days) and this goes into "YOUR" BTC wallet (their are other coins but for your purposes you only want to deal with BTC).

Your girls sign up for Coins. Ph and get a Coins. Ph BTC wallet.

You then send money from your wallet to the girls wallet at which time your girl will receive the money in about 30 min to an hour? She will then convert the BTC to PHP within the coins. Ph app and then proceed to cash out, cash out options are plentiful they include Cebuana Lhuillier, for physical pick ups and all of the digital wallets for convince as well as just about everything else.

By far the easiest would be a service like remitly / wise and you do lose some money in the conversation to BTC but NO one can stop you using this method even if they wanted to as many girls as you see fit.

FYI: BTC can be volatile and storing BTC can lead to massive losses or a rapid appreciation in your funds just depending on when you purchase the bitcoin. Just keep this in mind. I would recommend sending the BTC as soon as you get it to avoid any implied volatility.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. It should not be this difficult to get money to the poor. I thought we were a country that just loves to stick our nose into other countries business a send them tons of money (Ukraine good example) I guess it must involve the military industrial complex, it was never really about the people, the hell with them. Even Western union lady said its just stupid as many like me get blocked except for south of the boarder countries. They come in all the time to send money to Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Honduras. Just meet you a girl from down there you'll never be blocked. This country is fucked as everything now involves politics.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2844926]Two items here:

1) Blocking. I got blocked by all of them eventually (for not complying with their requests for me to send pics of my ID, then later pics of myself with the intended recipient). As a last straw, I decided to send such documents to one of those remit companies mentioned. They re-instated my account. About every 18 months they suddenly stop this or that simple p1000 send for no apparent reason. They call me on the phone to ask some security questions, then allow the transfer. No problems for another 18 or so months.

2) Paying a girl's bills. Good news. As you never know if a girl is telling the truth about why she's requesting money. Many of the utilities (water and electric) now accept electronic payment (especially GCash). Anyone with GC can make a payment to these companies. If a girl tells me that she needs p1500 for electric cut off, I have her send me a pic of the recent electric bill. All the data needed to pay the bill by GC are on the bill: Account number, Account owner's name, amount due. You can open GC (or possibly Paymaya or other), click on PAY BILLS, choose from a long list of Phils utilities (the girl's electric company), enter the account number, owner's name, and amount due, and pay the bill (or any portion you want) immediately via GC. You will get a GC confirmation with reference number, which you can screen capture and send to your girl.

If you are outside of Phils, this obviously doesn't work. You could send the money to a more trusted person's GC in Phils, and ask them to pay the girl's utility thru GC. That would get you a screen capture of the actual payment via the trusted person.[/QUOTE]Yeah wish we had GCash here. When in Phil that's a piece of cake. Yes I've done the bill paying that way but sometimes they just need 50 bucks for some food. Medical scams was another one I stopped long ago as I know two Dr. As they lived in my building. Them or kid or mom or dad sick, ok that fine here is Dr. Card go see him and Ill drop him a text, I can pay him online with a credit card. One or two were really sick but most of them funny how they started feeling better.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2844988]Getting blocked usually means that there is more than 1 person sending money to this same persons account or you are sending money to more than 1 girl. To keep getting blocked to a minimum I would limit sending money to one remittance platform per girl.(this does not apply when sending BTC)

Coins. Ph allows you to pay bills outside the Philippines. Including NBI clearance and government offices, cable bills, electric ect. Just about everything.[/QUOTE]While your methods are certainly valid, a couple of cautions for newbies.

1/. Any girl I know smart enough to be able to set up a BTC account and handle cross platform exchanges is also 100% smart enough to be sending the same requests to multiple guys, each one thinking he is the only one.

2/. Take the usual precautions to ensure the bill / debt is real (covered earlier).

3/. I have NEVER had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't pay her power bill while I was away.

Anyone who has found a girl worthy of supporting awhile still at home, more power to you. However, I'll stick to being generous while I'm in town and leave it at that.

Enjoy. G.

I'm in the US most of the year, and my wife is in the Philippines for a couple of more years. This is what I use:

1) To send money, I use Sendwave most of the time. The exchange rate is higher than Remitly or Xoom and there is no transaction fee for any of it. I use it to send my wife cash and myself, too, if I'm there from my US bank account. I also send myself to my or anyone else's GCash for free. Xoom also does not charge to send to GCash.

2) Since my GCash is set up already, I can use it while home in US. I pay some bills for our home in the province, such as Wi-Fi, from here using GCash to save her time going to pay it in person and waiting in line. I can also use it to pay for gifts I order in Lazada so it isn't COD. I also have one girl I see when I am in Manila, and have used it to send to her while I'm there and from here to help her with a dentist bill I told her I would help with.

Obviously, sending money for pickup is not anonymous. GCash can be, as it marks out part of the name with asterisk, but not totally anonymous. Like everyone else, my advice is to really think before you send anything. If you're nice, that is a good thing. Many of these girls are dirt poor, but that is no reason to let them take advantage of you.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2845170]I'm in the US most of the year, and my wife is in the Philippines for a couple of more years. This is what I use:

1) To send money, I use Sendwave most of the time.... I use it to send my wife cash and myself, too, if I'm there from my US bank account. I also send myself to my or anyone else's GCash for free. Xoom also does not charge to send to GCash.
[/QUOTE]Do Sendwave allow you a Debit card or only to transfer? If not, maybe look at Wise. They offer cash transfer to yourself or others and you can request a Debit card that you can use at home or overseas for direct purchases or ATM withdrawals. Fees and FX rates are not zero but much less better than my bricks and mortar bank.

The card is super convenient when I'm travelling.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2845205]Do Sendwave allow you a Debit card or only to transfer? If not, maybe look at Wise. They offer cash transfer to yourself or others and you can request a Debit card that you can use at home or overseas for direct purchases or ATM withdrawals. Fees and FX rates are not zero but much less better than my bricks and mortar bank.

The card is super convenient when I'm travelling.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I send using Sendwave using my debit card. There is an option for ACH draft, but that takes days to process.

I will check out Wise and see if it fits my needs. I currently like Sendwave a lot. My only gripe is that it sends email / text to recipient to tell them the amount and a transaction code for pickup, but it is sometimes late and I have to give it to my wife myself.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2845217]I send using Sendwave using my debit card. There is an option for ACH draft, but that takes days to process.

I will check out Wise and see if it fits my needs. I currently like Sendwave a lot. My only gripe is that it sends email / text to recipient to tell them the amount and a transaction code for pickup, but it is sometimes late and I have to give it to my wife myself.[/QUOTE]Just for clarity I was referring to the Debit card issued by Wise, not the method off transfer to or topping up the account. The Wise Card can hold numerous currencies, is attached to the Wise account and has the same (minimal) charges etc. Far better than a regular Card when travelling.

3rd Party transfers are getting faster and faster. From my account to someone else's SEA account same day isn't unusual.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2845428]Just for clarity I was referring to the Debit card issued by Wise, not the method off transfer to or topping up the account. The Wise Card can hold numerous currencies, is attached to the Wise account and has the same (minimal) charges etc. Far better than a regular Card when travelling.

3rd Party transfers are getting faster and faster. From my account to someone else's SEA account same day isn't unusual.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Is there a way to get a virtual sim that it can be connected to gcash?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2846331]Is there a way to get a virtual sim that it can be connected to gcash?[/QUOTE]You must use a Phils SIM card as far as I know (see pic). Anyone with different info please holler. You will have to verify your account (by sending pics of your passport if you are a foreigner, and of yourself and possibly of your SIM card). I saw a link on the [URL]gcash.com[/URL] website about international use, but clicking the link goes nowhere.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2846331]Is there a way to get a virtual sim that it can be connected to gcash?[/QUOTE]I don't use GCash so I'm not sure of the mechanics. If you are asking about it's connection to Wise, then yes, Wise can pay into a GCash account.

"Wise offers international payments you can set up online or in app, to 80+ countries including the Philippines. Send to GCash or another wallet including GrabPay and PayMaya. You'll be able to pay for your transfer in USD by wire, ACH or card, and your funds will be converted to PHP with the mid-market rate and low fees from 0. 41%. ".

The downside to using GCash internationally is that some transactions require a one time passcode that will be sent to your registered number. In a strange twist of fate, I'm not able to use GCash to buy load for my Philippines sim for international use without using the OTP, and I can't get it because I'm international. But I have still been able to use GCash to send money, pay bills, and make purchases using lazada.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2846349]The downside to using GCash internationally is that some transactions require a one time passcode that will be sent to your registered number. In a strange twist of fate, I'm not able to use GCash to buy load for my Philippines sim for international use without using the OTP, and I can't get it because I'm international. But I have still been able to use GCash to send money, pay bills, and make purchases using lazada.[/QUOTE]Smart and globe are roam-able, I still use my smart number in the states, and I have an ESIM coming that I just purchased.

So the sim card should still be able to get the OTP if you load it up and have some load on it to keep it active.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2846685]Smart and globe are roam-able, I still use my smart number in the states, and I have an ESIM coming that I just purchased.

So the sim card should still be able to get the OTP if you load it up and have some load on it to keep it active.[/QUOTE]The problem is I let mine go inactive. Even with it roaming, it will not actually accept a promo and work. It's annoying.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2846778]The problem is I let mine go inactive. Even with it roaming, it will not actually accept a promo and work. It's annoying.[/QUOTE]Contact smart or globe on Facebook that is normally how OFWs get their sim cards working again its worth a shot. Also add the SIMS to the Phone Apps this helps because you can visually see what promo you have and how much load you have and its expiry date. If you have contacts in phils yo can also get a new sim activated and sent over but remember to turn on roam before it leaves phils.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2846904]Contact smart or globe on Facebook that is normally how OFWs get their sim cards working again its worth a shot. Also add the SIMS to the Phone Apps this helps because you can visually see what promo you have and how much load you have and its expiry date. If you have contacts in phils yo can also get a new sim activated and sent over but remember to turn on roam before it leaves phils.[/QUOTE]Is there a way to get a virtual sim, that will run the phone in a vm or an app in my desktop? That way it can get the txt msg also.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2847713]Is there a way to get a virtual sim, that will run the phone in a vm or an app in my desktop? That way it can get the txt msg also.[/QUOTE]I just downloaded gcash, it allow me to enter a USA number as a sender but it says only for pinoys citizen.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2848245]I just downloaded gcash, it allow me to enter a USA number as a sender but it says only for pinoys citizen.[/QUOTE]I ran into a similar problem here in Phils. I had a phils SIM and my home country SIM in the phone. For sh*ts-and-giggles, I originally tried my home country number, and got the same message. Then I tried my phils number and it worked, but in un-verified mode. When I went thru the GC verification process, I was blocked several times. Finally it verified and works fine. The pic below is from the GC website, and shows the advantages of verification (including remittance).

[URL]https://www.gcash.com/get-verified[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2848302]I ran into a similar problem here in Phils. I had a phils SIM and my home country SIM in the phone. For sh*ts-and-giggles, I originally tried my home country number, and got the same message. Then I tried my phils number and it worked, but in un-verified mode. When I went thru the GC verification process, I was blocked several times. Finally it verified and works fine. The pic below is from the GC website, and shows the advantages of verification (including remittance).

[URL]https://www.gcash.com/get-verified[/URL][/QUOTE]So you can't send money unless you are fully verified?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2848556]So you can't send money unless you are fully verified?[/QUOTE]I am not sure, for 2 reasons:

1) Mine was more than a year ago. Things change regularly here. Its possible that you could have sent money unverified at the time, but not now. I am not sure.

2) I had a variety of troubles while unverified, and I didn't try sending money while unverified at the time.

The verification process is built into the app. The app has you take a selfie, you take a pic of your passport pic page, and you might have to take a pic of your SIM card.

Phils government has made a solid attempt to cut down on anonymous sending.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2848573]I am not sure, for 2 reasons:

1) Mine was more than a year ago. Things change regularly here. Its possible that you could have sent money unverified at the time, but not now. I am not sure.

2) I had a variety of troubles while unverified, and I didn't try sending money while unverified at the time.

The verification process is built into the app. The app has you take a selfie, you take a pic of your passport pic page, and you might have to take a pic of your SIM card.

Phils government has made a solid attempt to cut down on anonymous sending.[/QUOTE]I had trouble verifying my account at first, partly because of lighting when I took the selfie, and partly because my passport picture then and me now look very different. I tried to send myself money from my American bank account to GCash using Xoom and it would not receive it. After it finally verified, I could. I still can now from back in the US, and I do sometimes to send money to people, but on lazada, etc.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2848663]I had trouble verifying my account at first, partly because of lighting when I took the selfie, and partly because my passport picture then and me now look very different. I tried to send myself money from my American bank account to GCash using Xoom and it would not receive it. After it finally verified, I could. I still can now from back in the US, and I do sometimes to send money to people, but on lazada, etc.[/QUOTE]Do you trust Lazada? I didn't know you can send money thru that.

Maybe this is the wrong forum but wf.

Here is a report of a Florida man sending some Bulgarian cam girl $200,000 (and killing his entire family fwtiw). And "alpha male" Andrew Tate had cam girls shake down online guys for very serious bucks.

Though I don't think every Only Fans woman is a billionaire, I can't understand why anyone would pay $30++ a month to look at some wench. But then I don't understand the lure of gambling and other addictions.

Leaving the sociological twaddle to one side, what is wrong with men (not the odd one but lots of them) who squander money in this fashion? I get you could believe a third world LBFM you meet in the flesh loves you but this addiction seems more fatal than gambling.

They say you can't take the bar our of the girl but at least you go into the bar. This shtt?

[QUOTE=Jarango;2851932]Here is a report of a Florida man sending some Bulgarian cam girl $200,000 (and killing his entire family fwtiw). And "alpha male" Andrew Tate had cam girls shake down online guys for very serious bucks.

SNIP

Leaving the sociological twaddle to one side, what is wrong with men (not the odd one but lots of them) who squander money in this fashion? I get you could believe a third world LBFM you meet in the flesh loves you but this addiction seems more fatal than gambling.[/QUOTE]We have long wondered about such activity. Guys who never leave home to visit another state or province (much less another country), and never intend to travel, end up in love (or lust) with girls met online, sending good chunks of their social security checks. Can't tell you the number of men who have told me about their 'girlfriend' they met online, but never met IRL. They spend countless hours each week with the girl on cam, chatting away about everyday things, asking her if she remembered to get her mother's dry cleaning at the laundry today.

Years ago I posted about an over-sexed lady, late 30's, I had been seeing in Manila for several years. One evening I had the taxi go to her place to pick her up. She forgot something inside her apartment. We ran upstairs to get it. I was waiting just inside the door and noticed 2 young girls, whom I mistook for being 9-10 and 12-13 years of age. They were 13 and 16. The mother had met older Americans online and hooked up one each with each of her daughters as a boyfriend. Both men were in their 80's. One had been sending p15 k, the other 20 k, monthly, to the mother to care for her daughter. Both geezers were too old to travel. Both geezers believed his GF was 20. Originally, two years prior when the mother introduced the geezer to her daughter, she told the geezer that the daughter was 18. How TF he believed that a girl who appears to be 10 yo was 18 is just one thing that was / is beyond me. The other is sending her $400 USD each month. Each daughter got 20 minutes of online chat, several times a week, with the mother present in the house. The mother saved enough money, easily, to put both girls thru college. After we left her place and went for live band, she was sharing all of this. I remember thinking: ONLY IN PHILIPPINES. When one of the geezers later stopped communicating completely, abruptly (we assumed he passed away), she went back onto a dating site and got the daughter a new victim.

Guys who fall for OF / cam girls, same thing.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2851932]Maybe this is the wrong forum but wf.

Here is a report of a Florida man sending some Bulgarian cam girl $200,000 (and killing his entire family fwtiw). And "alpha male" Andrew Tate had cam girls shake down online guys for very serious bucks.

Though I don't think every Only Fans woman is a billionaire, I can't understand why anyone would pay $30++ a month to look at some wench. But then I don't understand the lure of gambling and other addictions.

Leaving the sociological twaddle to one side, what is wrong with men (not the odd one but lots of them) who squander money in this fashion? I get you could believe a third world LBFM you meet in the flesh loves you but this addiction seems more fatal than gambling.

They say you can't take the bar our of the girl but at least you go into the bar. This shtt?[/QUOTE]Only fans isn't the problem. 30 bucks is Starbucks money. Means nothing. It's people that send thousands of dollars to someone online that I will never understand. They should be older wiser guys. Just come to the Phil's and blow your money on hookers and then leave. Do it again if you want, or move there, but to send your life savings to a girl you never met is crazy.

Putting a girl on allowance while here isn't a horrible idea if your fucking her everyday. Jasper says the average salary in the Phil's in the mall or call center is 400 a month. If you want her to quit her job and travel with you and bang you all month then pay her 450 a month and everyone is happy. I see no problem with that, but the rest is insanity.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2851998]We have long wondered about such activity. Guys who never leave home to visit another state or province (much less another country), and never intend to travel, end up in love (or lust) with girls met online, sending good chunks of their social security checks. Can't tell you the number of men who have told me about their 'girlfriend' they met online, but never met IRL. They spend countless hours each week with the girl on cam, chatting away about everyday things, asking her if she remembered to get her mother's dry cleaning at the laundry today.

Years ago I posted about an over-sexed lady, late 30's, I had been seeing in Manila for several years. One evening I had the taxi go to her place to pick her up. She forgot something inside her apartment. We ran upstairs to get it. I was waiting just inside the door and noticed 2 young girls, whom I mistook for being 9-10 and 12-13 years of age. They were 13 and 16. The mother had met older Americans online and hooked up one each with each of her daughters as a boyfriend. Both men were in their 80's. One had been sending p15 k, the other 20 k, monthly, to the mother to care for her daughter. Both geezers were too old to travel. Both geezers believed his GF was 20. Originally, two years prior when the mother introduced the geezer to her daughter, she told the geezer that the daughter was 18. How TF he believed that a girl who appears to be 10 yo was 18 is just one thing that was / is beyond me. The other is sending her $400 USD each month. Each daughter got 20 minutes of online chat, several times a week, with the mother present in the house. The mother saved enough money, easily, to put both girls thru college. After we left her place and went for live band, she was sharing all of this. I remember thinking: ONLY IN PHILIPPINES. When one of the geezers later stopped communicating completely, abruptly (we assumed he passed away), she went back onto a dating site and got the daughter a new victim.

Guys who fall for OF / cam girls, same thing.[/QUOTE]Congratulations! You just won the award for the weirdest, most disturbing story that I've ever heard of. Just thinking what the girls gained for a lesson from this is mind-boggling!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2851998]Guys who fall for OF / cam girls, same thing.[/QUOTE]One of the more famous OF stars was on a Logan Paul-esque pod cast when she commented that she was receiving serious tips, in the tens of thousands of dollars, for the most mundane activities. That's without even meeting. She also said that her highest rating streams were simply falling asleep in front of the camera. Guys would cling on viewing, in the hope that something titillating would happen. When she woke up and actually started engaging, viewership plummeted.

Go figure. G.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/CfdicAKUANE?si=jGZAzI7C5OHQQjMZ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2852102] Go figure. G.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/CfdicAKUANE?si=jGZAzI7C5OHQQjMZ[/URL][/QUOTE]What a great post. She thinks they are idiots. But who cares about what she might do if she wakes up? And who would pay for that? One of the things that get me about those guys who get busted for watching under age stuff is the sheer numbers of them who get busted. Then you have all those link up sites like Pina Love where tones of women ask for no dick pics, because fools flash their private parts in big numbers.

It was a Pinay scam girl who came up with the idea of getting guys to flash their privates and then bribing them. Then the AI guys weighed in with AI women who wave at you and trick you into flashing.

Then one of the biggest OF successes is an AI woman, "Finnish" I believe.

Something very bad has happened.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2852065]Congratulations! You just won the award for [b]the weirdest, most disturbing story that I've ever heard of.[/b] [/QUOTE]Big fella you apparently haven't read all 6000 of my posts.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2852065]Just thinking what the girls gained for a lesson from this is mind-boggling![/QUOTE]She was the only one that I'd heard of doing that. I think I posted that back about 2012-13. Quite the little (4' 10") genius. There's more to this odd little woman. If you gain Private Message function, contact me there and I'll give you some more of her doings. I made a number of posts about her overly-horny self. She was so horny, I couldn't keep up. I offered to find several fellas to run the train and screw her brains out all night long.

Phils is like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates: Never know what you're going to get.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;2852065]Congratulations! You just won the award for the weirdest, most disturbing story that I've ever heard of. Just thinking what the girls gained for a lesson from this is mind-boggling![/QUOTE]It seems that you have not heard many stories in that case. The girls gained money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2852179]It seems that you have not heard many stories in that case. The girls gained money.[/QUOTE]Exactly to the point, see the pic for the answer I got in Pinalove.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2854225]Exactly to the point, see the pic for the answer I got in Pinalove.[/QUOTE]Ask her what she's prepared to do to keep said rich BF??

Expect radio silence.

Many, many girls online who expect to trade off youth and / or looks while giving nothing in return. Sadly, many daddies are happy to enable this, sending allowances to their 'girl friend', while never actually visiting, but being happy with just a weekly phone call.

No wonder that guys in town, wanting their pound of flesh may be turned away.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2854230]Ask her what she's prepared to do to keep said rich BF??

Expect radio silence.

Many, many girls online who expect to trade off youth and / or looks while giving nothing in return. Sadly, many daddies are happy to enable this, sending allowances to their 'girl friend', while never actually visiting, but being happy with just a weekly phone call.

No wonder that guys in town, wanting their pound of flesh may be turned away.

G.[/QUOTE]Nope, I don't want to be ban, but her ig is on her profile. Maybe she gets tons of msgs.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2854230]Ask her what she's prepared to do to keep said rich BF??

Expect radio silence.

Many, many girls online who expect to trade off youth and / or looks while giving nothing in return. Sadly, many daddies are happy to enable this, sending allowances to their 'girl friend', while never actually visiting, but being happy with just a weekly phone call.

No wonder that guys in town, wanting their pound of flesh may be turned away.

G.[/QUOTE]Some people are really lonely in life. Many cannot get a real girlfriend who will open her legs. Especially nowadays the days of free sex on meeting is gone. So they resort to chatting with a girl in another country and have a vision that they have a girlfriend. The girls take full advantage of this situation. Besides couple of hundred dollars a month is not missed to have an online girlfriend. For one reason or another they have no intention of traveling all over the world and have real fun. It could be their health or finances. Many of these people were married and had kids but not mongered.

On the other hand there are people with money who like to keep a girl in different parts of the world by buying condo and supporting the girl. I have had fun with girls in Philippines, Thailand, China who were taken care of by such people. All the same it is not free for me. I would pay the usual rate.

Question for the Pina Love users:

Many profiles don't include the girls' location but their biodata has a distance with their height, weight etc. This distance can be anything from 1 to 8000 miles.

What is it? Doesn't appear to be distance to me or distance to my search region as girls from the same area can have wildly different numbers??

Anyone know?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2855796]Question for the Pina Love users:
Many profiles don't include the girls' location but their biodata has a distance with their height, weight etc. This distance can be anything from 1 to 8000 miles

Thanks.[/QUOTE]They fill in their profiles ass wise, as I do. There is a scale 1 to 8000 miles for looking for partners and they either don't fill it in or just put it anywhere. Ottawa is a little over 8000 miles form Manila. Not perfect for a quick hook up.

I would go too much for height etc as most of them don't fill it in properly.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2855796]Question for the Pina Love users:

Many profiles don't include the girls' location but their biodata has a distance with their height, weight etc. This distance can be anything from 1 to 8000 miles.

What is it? Doesn't appear to be distance to me or distance to my search region as girls from the same area can have wildly different numbers??

Anyone know?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't know that, I would check with the girl during your chat, they may be closer that you think.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2854387]Nope, I don't want to be ban, but her ig is on her profile. Maybe she gets tons of msgs.[/QUOTE]Here is one that is promo her channel, at least she is honest, or they may be hacked pics.

Telegram Channel Promo.

Hi I'm Nina I'm a College Student and I selling my nude videos to support myself. Sadly I don't have parents or gaurdian that can take of my school fees. Thats why I'm doing this to finish studying, survive on daily lives, Graduate on College and have a successful life in the future.

Join Now my Telegram Channel for Only 1500 peso. Every week new videos and photos are uploaded. Unlimited access to my nude videos and photos.

Tg:

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2855849]Here is one that is promo her channel, at least she is honest, or they may be hacked pics.

Telegram Channel Promo.

Hi I'm Nina I'm a College Student and I selling my nude videos to support myself. Sadly I don't have parents or gaurdian that can take of my school fees. Thats why I'm doing this to finish studying, survive on daily lives, Graduate on College and have a successful life in the future.

Join Now my Telegram Channel for Only 1500 peso. Every week new videos and photos are uploaded. Unlimited access to my nude videos and photos.

Tg:[/QUOTE]If true very sad. I've met a few over the years in that same boat and I helped them, probably more than I should have. I know, I know fuck them pay them and move on. Sometimes though its.

Tough to be a heartless basterd. We have so much coming from the west, its hard to see sometimes.

I prefer to have sex with younger women than older ones, but sometimes the naivete and lack of education of an 18-22 year old is to put it nicely, off putting. I have found a few very nice looking older women (37-45 is the range I am looking at) on Pinalove and DIA. I am quite certain some of them would date me if I ask nicely online. Unlike the younger gals (many of whom ask for money as soon as we go to Viber or WhatsApp), I am not certain these older ones will sleep with me on the first date. While I think there I nothing wrong with them wanting to wait for a few dates before becoming sexually involved with me, I never spend more than 4-5 days in Manila when I go to the Philippines. Multiple dates are time wasters for me. For me, dinner and conversation are meant to compliment the sex, not the other way around.

I realize that in the Philippines there is always an acceptable "Plan be" (ie, head to P Burgos), but I prefer non- and semi-pros.

Do any of you have enough experience dating older women to have a perspective on this?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2858850]I prefer to have sex with younger women than older ones, but sometimes the naivete and lack of education of an 18-22 year old is to put it nicely, off putting. I have found a few very nice looking older women (37-45 is the range I am looking at) on Pinalove and DIA. I am quite certain some of them would date me if I ask nicely online. Unlike the younger gals (many of whom ask for money as soon as we go to Viber or WhatsApp), I am not certain these older ones will sleep with me on the first date. While I think there I nothing wrong with them wanting to wait for a few dates before becoming sexually involved with me, I never spend more than 4-5 days in Manila when I go to the Philippines. Multiple dates are time wasters for me. For me, dinner and conversation are meant to compliment the sex, not the other way around.

I realize that in the Philippines there is always an acceptable "Plan be" (ie, head to P Burgos), but I prefer non- and semi-pros.

Do any of you have enough experience dating older women to have a perspective on this?[/QUOTE]In Malate Robinson Mall Starbucks. Just sit outside with a drink and there will be MILF sitting alone also. Go at night around 9-10 weekends.

Also around the corner there is a restaurant that stays open till 3 am (I think the name is Buddys).

Go there after 11-12.

[QUOTE=KumuMan;2858852]In Malate Robinson Mall Starbucks. Just sit outside with a drink and there will be MILF sitting alone also. Go at night around 9-10 weekends.

Also around the corner there is a restaurant that stays open till 3 am (I think the name is Buddys).

Go there after 11-12.[/QUOTE]These are good suggestions for picking up MILFS, but this was not my question. I will certainly give Buddys a chance.

However, the difference between the MILFS at the Starbucks in the Malate Mall and the ones online is that there are some truly beautiful (albeit rare) MILFS on line. I have picked up an occasional MILF at a Mall, but mostly out of impatience or whim, not because I find them to be 7+ in beauty. If one searches carefully online, there are some gorgeous older women. In contrast, the older women I have met at the Malls are experienced pros, not semi pros or non pros.

I am interested in the really nice looking older women on DIA or Pinalove. In my experience, the dating site girls I have met are seldom hardened pros, even if I am not the first guy they have fucked for money. But if it requires time to cultivate an older woman (because they are actually only interested in "serious" I will stick to the young ones, who are far more plentiful and despite their profiles stating that they are on the web site for serious ("I date to marry", etc) are often open to sex for money.

I am aware that there are many guys in their later 50's, 60's and early 70's here who prefer older women, and I am trying to figure out what to expect of a 40 year old Pinay who is on a dating site.

[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Sachico2627[/URL]

She is about a solid 7 in my estimate (of course, we all have different tastes. For my 72 year old brother, she is a 9!), but would she require 3 dates before agreeing to sleep with me? That is at least one too many to be worth my effort.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2858985]..but would she require 3 dates before agreeing to sleep with me? That is at least one too many to be worth my effort.[/QUOTE]The answer to this, and your previous questions, is simple: ask her. You don't have to be rude and offensive, asking if she's a slutt or hooker. Just be honest and if she says she's looking for a relationship and marriage, reply that's nice but you aren't here for very long and is she open to something less serious while you are in town? Most young and old will say yes, knowing that worst case is that they earn a few bucks and there is also a small chance that it will lead to happily ever after.

Are you in town now? These conversations are far more productive when asking if she wants to meet today, not next month / year.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2858985][URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Sachico2627[/URL]
.[/QUOTE]She is for sale. Could not be more obvious if you bothered to read her profile. I caught two mice in traps last night and am worried there might be more while I am away. Worried because mice bonk a lot. But not as much as your bunny. She will keep bonking till the end. Some of the hookers I saw in Angeles, 40 going on 72.

BUt maybe that 40 year old has been bonked only twice, once by her ex BF, and once by the entire US 7th Fleet.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2859026]The answer to this, and your previous questions, is simple: ask her. You don't have to be rude and offensive, asking if she's a slutt or hooker. Just be honest and if she says she's looking for a relationship and marriage, reply that's nice but you aren't here for very long and is she open to something less serious while you are in town? Most young and old will say yes, knowing that worst case is that they earn a few bucks and there is also a small chance that it will lead to happily ever after.

Are you in town now? These conversations are far more productive when asking if she wants to meet today, not next month / year.

Good luck. G.[/QUOTE]I did not realize I was being repetitive, but the nuances of online dating are somewhat non intuitive. First let me answer your question: no I am not in Manila. I will be there in a few months, and I do not have conversations with online girls at the present time, as I see this as pointless. I like to start about 10 days prior to my date of arrival. In retrospect, even 10 days is probably too much time.

When I first started coming to Makati City on a regular basis, I was only interested in 18-22 yo girls. But now, I want to start dating women who are more mature but still have their beauty. That is the purpose of my question.

The last time I was in Makati, I did exactly what you are suggesting: I told the girls I was not interested in a long term relationship but wanted to date for fun. I had more girls who still wanted to see me than I was capable of accommodating. On my life, only certain Africa Cities compare to Manila in the ease with which one can get laid (Santo Domingo and the closest cities is a close third to Manila, but Kampala and Nairobi were the best.

OK, so if I understand you correctly, its not too different to date an older woman than a younger woman in the Philippines. But, what is your experience with the older ones- are they more or less likely (or the same) to have sex on the first date? Telling the girl that I am not interested in an LTR is not the same as saying that I am only interested in getting together if we will have sex.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2859114]First let me answer your question: no I am not in Manila. I will be there in a few months, and I do not have conversations with online girls at the present time, as I see this as pointless. I like to start about 10 days prior to my date of arrival. In retrospect, even 10 days is probably too much time.

When I first started coming to Makati City on a regular basis, I was only interested in 18-22 yo girls. But now, I want to start dating women who are more mature but still have their beauty. That is the purpose of my question.

The last time I was in Makati, I did exactly what you are suggesting: I told the girls I was not interested in a long term relationship but wanted to date for fun. I had more girls who still wanted to see me than I was capable of accommodating.

OK, so if I understand you correctly, its not too different to date an older woman than a younger woman in the Philippines. But, what is your experience with the older ones- are they more or less likely (or the same) to have sex on the first date? Telling the girl that I am not interested in an LTR is not the same as saying that I am only interested in getting together if we will have sex.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't contact anyone until I'm sitting in a Philippine hotel. However, your plan sounds ok. I'd agree that the less lead up time the better. Less opportunities for sick buffaloes and other monetary demands. Guys making contact months out makes no sense to me as there are no guarantees that she will actually show when you ask to physically meet. Asking to meet now or after work is far more reliable. I guess you know that Pinas of all ages are notorious for no shows and false promises.

That's fine. Everyone has different tastes and there are girls of every type available.

It's normal to run out of time before choices.

My definition of mature is about 10 years younger than yours but essentially yes, it makes no difference. If anything a mature lady may be more interested in meeting and fun than a hot 19 year old.

If you make meeting conditional upon sex being included than you are going to get a hooker. If you make your circumstances clear she will understand what you want but will not be turned away by being accused of being a hoe. While I have had girls need a platonic first date it's a minority and they always say thanks the second time we meet. Anyway, is it the end of the world? There are always options for an infill (we just said there are more options than time) and playing the game can definitely pay dividends later.

I don't see you having any issues.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2859132]/////My definition of mature is about 10 years younger than yours but essentially yes, it makes no difference. If anything a mature lady may be more interested in meeting and fun than a hot 19 year old.////Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]G: There is a well tested formula for the correct age of a girlfriend for a mongerer. Take you own age and divide by 2. 35. Take that result and multiply by 1. 15. Add 7 and then ignore the result. That leaves you with 20 +/- 2 years old.

I am guessing your definition of mature is probably 27-30; mine is 37-40.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2859114]I did not realize I was being repetitive, [/QUOTE]You are worse than repetitive.[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2860513]G: There is a well tested formula for the correct age of a girlfriend for a mongerer. Take you own age and divide by 2. 35. Take that result and multiply by 1. 15..[/QUOTE]I googled that and got no hits. If you divide by 2. 35 and then multiply by 1.15, you are effectively multiplying by. 49.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2859114]I did not realize I was being repetitive, but the nuances of online dating are somewhat non intuitive. First let me answer your question: no I am not in Manila. I will be there in a few months, and I do not have conversations with online girls at the present time, as I see this as pointless. I like to start about 10 days prior to my date of arrival. In retrospect, even 10 days is probably too much time.

When I first started coming to Makati City on a regular basis, I was only interested in 18-22 yo girls. But now, I want to start dating women who are more mature but still have their beauty. That is the purpose of my question.

The last time I was in Makati, I did exactly what you are suggesting: I told the girls I was not interested in a long term relationship but wanted to date for fun. I had more girls who still wanted to see me than I was capable of accommodating. On my life, only certain Africa Cities compare to Manila in the ease with which one can get laid (Santo Domingo and the closest cities is a close third to Manila, but Kampala and Nairobi were the best.

OK, so if I understand you correctly, its not too different to date an older woman than a younger woman in the Philippines. But, what is your experience with the older ones- are they more or less likely (or the same) to have sex on the first date? Telling the girl that I am not interested in an LTR is not the same as saying that I am only interested in getting together if we will have sex.[/QUOTE]The older (30+) Filipina broads love to have sex. I been with several MILFs here.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2860513]G: There is a well tested formula for the correct age of a girlfriend for a mongerer. Take you own age and divide by 2. 35. Take that result and multiply by 1. 15. Add 7 and then ignore the result. That leaves you with 20 +/- 2 years old.

I am guessing your definition of mature is probably 27-30; mine is 37-40.[/QUOTE]Your math is surprisingly accurate. My sweet spot is 24 to 27 (picked up a few tricks and not too ditzy). Occasionally I'll stray to very early 30's if we click and she's still in good condition.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2162753]Here are some things you should be doing to increase your load:

(...)

Take amino acid supplements, specifically L-Arginine, L-Lysine or L-Carnitine.

(...)

[/QUOTE]That's the most disgusting concoction I've ever drunk, it smells like a sock you've nutted at least two days ago and tastes like a chalk, but fucking hell mate, alongside other advices it works like the Holy Grail.

As part of my research into my visit next month to the Phils, I checked out a cam site. Though I have bonked cam girls over the years and got their side of the tale, last night was different as the cam girl was fifty three (53) years old and looked it. Now I have never paid a cam girl or a cam granny for that matter, and I know folk need $$ but who would pay for a glamourous granny who is not all that glam. I am not attacking her, as she has to do what she has to do. But it just took me by surprise. That said, some of the requests by others were way off the charts, even for this site, maybe just College students acting the monkey.

The cam business seems to be huge. I guess it is like online gambling, addictive. But stuff like that is a big turnoff for me. Plus the women look so bored tough, as some have told me, if they play their cards right, they can make good buck. The sites are good in that t hey allows the girls quickly know who the tippers are and who the tyre kickers like me are. Kinda like dating where each finds their own level.

I have met nice hookers over the years (numbers game) but 99% prove the maxim of paying them to leave. Headaches. Maybe next month I will go for sticky seconds from women I meet at the early breakfast joints. There is something van Gogh ish about hookers at that time, when their shift is done. Used to drink with them a long long time ago when I never needed their services as I was hot to trot.

[URL]https://twitter.com/WR4NYGov/status/1738006970848903411?t=6WsmJwgNA3acifUrjaHqbQ&s=09[/URL]

The reasons why to go to Pinayland.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2879982][URL]https://twitter.com/WR4NYGov/status/1738006970848903411?t=6WsmJwgNA3acifUrjaHqbQ&s=09[/URL]

The reasons why to go to Pinayland.[/QUOTE]One story that I hear, is that even bringing a pinay / thai over to the usa, is not that good, they change once they are here.

So, better just to date in their country? What does fellow mongers think?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2880244]One story that I hear, is that even bringing a pinay / thai over to the usa, is not that good, they change once they are here.

So, better just to date in their country? What does fellow mongers think?[/QUOTE]This is not just a Thai / Pinay thing. If you take any Asian woman out of her home country back to the USA you can expect issues. There are exceptions. If it is a woman that is fluent in English and has traveled or studied outside her home country than you have a better chance of success. A friend worked in Korea and married a Korean girl and brought her back to the US. When she first arrived she would greet him every day at the door when he came home from work with slippers and a cold beer. A couple of years later and she would not even buy him beer when she went to the market.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2877121]The cam business seems to be huge. I guess it is like online gambling, addictive. But stuff like that is a big turnoff for me. Plus the women look so bored tough, [/QUOTE]How excited would you be if you had to play with yourself in front of the camera all day everyday? The cam business is huge for the folks that own the websites, not so much for the people sitting in front of the cameras playing with themselves.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2880271]This is not just a Thai / Pinay thing. If you take any Asian woman out of her home country back to the USA you can expect issues. There are exceptions. If it is a woman that is fluent in English and has traveled or studied outside her home country than you have a better chance of success. A friend worked in Korea and married a Korean girl and brought her back to the US. When she first arrived she would greet him every day at the door when he came home from work with slippers and a cold beer. A couple of years later and she would not even buy him beer when she went to the market.[/QUOTE]Was the guy an alcoholic?

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2880244]One story that I hear, is that even bringing a pinay / thai over to the usa, is not that good, they change once they are here.

So, better just to date in their country? What does fellow mongers think?[/QUOTE]Depends on who is telling the story. Most success relationships aren't reported here.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2880244]One story that I hear, is that even bringing a pinay / thai over to the usa, is not that good, they change once they are here.

So, better just to date in their country? What does fellow mongers think?[/QUOTE]Mixed results. Have known pinay to marry and move to my home country, and live both the pinay and American dream. The pinay dream accomplished when she worked and sent money home. The American dream when she was happy with her hubby. Had the following situation happen with two different married pinay: Sitting in a restaurant with her, waiting for her considerably older American husband to join us, she turns to see him walk in the door, smiles, and says to me: "Oh my handsome husband is here!" That's after a decade of marriage, and a tribute to traditional marriage.

OTOH, because there is always another hand. Have seen such women within a year are sleeping with another guy, and within another year she's gone, living with someone else. Overactive sex drive, and / or abusive husband are possibilities.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2880271]When she first arrived she would greet him every day at the door when he came home from work with slippers and a cold beer. A couple of years later and she would not even buy him beer when she went to the market.[/QUOTE]The honeymoon is officially OVER!

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2880271]This is not just a Thai / Pinay thing. If you take any Asian woman out of her home country back to the USA you can expect issues. There are exceptions. If it is a woman that is fluent in English and has traveled or studied outside her home country than you have a better chance of success. A friend worked in Korea and married a Korean girl and brought her back to the US. When she first arrived she would greet him every day at the door when he came home from work with slippers and a cold beer. A couple of years later and she would not even buy him beer when she went to the market.[/QUOTE]I know so many mixed marriages that flourish in Asia or back home that I think they are the silent majority. So much so that when I hear the horror stories, my first thought is "what did he do?

Even for the unfortunate guys who did marry a psycho, surely it's his duty to do the due diligence and weed those out first. As for the multitude of planning weddings and building houses before even meeting, well that's just a recepe for disaster.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2880271]This is not just a Thai / Pinay thing. If you take any Asian woman out of her home country back to the USA you can expect issues. There are exceptions. If it is a woman that is fluent in English and has traveled or studied outside her home country than you have a better chance of success. A friend worked in Korea and married a Korean girl and brought her back to the US. When she first arrived she would greet him every day at the door when he came home from work with slippers and a cold beer. A couple of years later and she would not even buy him beer when she went to the market.[/QUOTE]Pretty hard to broad brush any group of people. While I was in Texas I heard of this group generally called Aggieholes! Of course hard to generalize people.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2858850]I prefer to have sex with younger women than older ones, but sometimes the naivete and lack of education of an 18-22 year old is to put it nicely, off putting. I have found a few very nice looking older women (37-45 is the range I am looking at) on Pinalove and DIA. I am quite certain some of them would date me if I ask nicely online. Unlike the younger gals (many of whom ask for money as soon as we go to Viber or WhatsApp), I am not certain these older ones will sleep with me on the first date. While I think there I nothing wrong with them wanting to wait for a few dates before becoming sexually involved with me, I never spend more than 4-5 days in Manila when I go to the Philippines. Multiple dates are time wasters for me. For me, dinner and conversation are meant to compliment the sex, not the other way around.

I realize that in the Philippines there is always an acceptable "Plan be" (ie, head to P Burgos), but I prefer non- and semi-pros.

Do any of you have enough experience dating older women to have a perspective on this?[/QUOTE]Some yes. While the younger ones are nice 18 to 25 for me its hard to deny the enthusiasm of the older ones. My last trip the younger ones with their firm bodies and.

Baby soft skin is hard to beat. The 35 to 40 range and I got a couple regulars in this age group are still surprisingly in great shape with asses and tits still fairly firm, but they still can't compare to a younger one.

The older gals though are very uninhibited in the room, tie them up, handcuffs if you like and they completely submit themselves and are very responsive. I've had younger ones while much hotter, I wouldn't repeat if they were free. Its what you're into I guess as I usually just mix it up.

Anyone getting a request / directive to verify their profile photos before sending any more messages on PinaLove?

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2881370]Anyone getting a request / directive to verify their profile photos before sending any more messages on PinaLove?

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]No. I last sent a message a week ago.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2160562]The Pinoys have the stamina for long duration fucking, and engage in it as circumstances allow. However, long fucks are not a priority for them, at least among the younger crowd. In America, twenty-something years-old men often use Viagra recreationally to engage in marathon fucking, this does not appear to be a thing for Pinoys in the same age group. When the girls brag about their Pinoy boyfriends' sexual prowess, it is more often about number of fucks and hardness of the cock. Apparently, whatever they lack in size they make up for in hardness. The girls refer to this extraordinary hardness as "stone cock. " They love when the young skinny boyfriend fucks them hard with his "stone cock. " To illustrate their lust for very hard cocks, I have attached a photo of an actual polished stone cock proudly displayed by a provincial Pinay. So much for the shyness, they pretend to have around us.

Another reason young Pinays prefer short fucks has to do with their living arrangements. Most of them live with their family or extended relations, and privacy is fleeting. When fucking in the familial residence, Bush, or dorm, short time is best to avoid discovery during the act. Couples reserve long fucks for special occasions when a financial windfall allows them to book a room at a Sogo Hotel. Filipinos with relatively well-paid jobs and young mistresses are more likely to use hot sheet hotels on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]With some time off during the holidays I've had some time to go back a few months to research this topic. A few other post mentioned multiple loads are necessary and while maybe somewhat important I think stamina is the key. Now its not really a issue as I just visit 3 or 4 times a year and for a short visit so my limits are not really tested as a beautiful young pina can keep me going just fine the short time I'm there. I'm also escaping pussy prison US which is a motivator. I guess the issue I see coming is when I retire there and get a permeant girl, and maybe one or two on the side hehe, how do we keep this up. I follow several online older guys with young honeys that live with them. Geo and Old Dog come to mind. We all know young girls have a higher libido than us old dudes. If you don't keep them happy, someone will. I do the viagra and other things on my visits but day after day that may not be a good idea. I like your money and your from the west but sir I need some good banging 3 or 4 days a week, maybe more if I'm horney. How this is possible I do not know, it appears though some have figured it out.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2881552]With some time off during the holidays I've had some time to go back a few months to research this topic. A few other post mentioned multiple loads are necessary and while maybe somewhat important I think stamina is the key. Now its not really a issue as I just visit 3 or 4 times a year and for a short visit so my limits are not really tested as a beautiful young pina can keep me going just fine the short time I'm there. I'm also escaping pussy prison US which is a motivator. I guess the issue I see coming is when I retire there and get a permeant girl, and maybe one or two on the side hehe, how do we keep this up. I follow several online older guys with young honeys that live with them. Geo and Old Dog come to mind. We all know young girls have a higher libido than us old dudes. If you don't keep them happy, someone will. I do the viagra and other things on my visits but day after day that may not be a good idea. I like your money and your from the west but sir I need some good banging 3 or 4 days a week, maybe more if I'm horney. How this is possible I do not know, it appears though some have figured it out.[/QUOTE]A Master Licker will keep them cumming. This tongue in crackee!

Few questions, my answers below.

1. Which one is best Pinalove or Date In Asia in terms of finding the right persons, don't concentrate in the limits of each site, but rather in the quality / type.

2. Which type of college student is more inclined to accept meet and have fun for some help (semi pro or nbsb or touch once).

3. How much is the usual damage per in person (Short or long) or in cam.

1. Is difficult, both have good findings, in PL, you can find cam shows no problem, they even offer without asking. Found some nbsb in PL maybe like 5%, and all looking for help for their studies. Even found looking for suggar daddy and nbsb. So lots of cam pros in pl. In DIA, lots of no pro but had BF before and they got cheated, one of them told me the BF cheated with her best friend because she was not as good in bed as her friend. So both good connections, very easy for camshows in pl, no so much in DIA, DIA will kick the girl out if they even hint to it.

2. I think the more open to it is nurses students, maybe because the tuiton is high and they are at ease with the human body. Next are teachers, they are very keen into learning new things. HRM / Police / Lawyer and Engineers are distant 3rd.

3. on cam between 1 k to 3 k. Mostly 3 k if nbsb and the city where the girl resides.

Let me know your experiences, looking forward to read your comments.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2887506]Few questions, my answers below.

1. Which one is best Pinalove or Date In Asia in terms of finding the right persons, don't concentrate in the limits of each site, but rather in the quality / type.

2. Which type of college student is more inclined to accept meet and have fun for some help (semi pro or nbsb or touch once).

3. How much is the usual damage per in person (Short or long) or in cam.

1. Is difficult, both have good findings, in PL, you can find cam shows no problem, they even offer without asking. Found some nbsb in PL maybe like 5%, and all looking for help for their studies. Even found looking for suggar daddy and nbsb. So lots of cam pros in pl. In DIA, lots of no pro but had BF before and they got cheated, one of them told me the BF cheated with her best friend because she was not as good in bed as her friend. So both good connections, very easy for camshows in pl, no so much in DIA, DIA will kick the girl out if they even hint to it.

2. I think the more open to it is nurses students, maybe because the tuiton is high and they are at ease with the human body. Next are teachers, they are very keen into learning new things. HRM / Police / Lawyer and Engineers are distant 3rd.

3. on cam between 1 k to 3 k. Mostly 3 k if nbsb and the city where the girl resides.

Let me know your experiences, looking forward to read your comments.[/QUOTE]I have found some gems on DIA even tho they kicked me off a while back for some unknown reason. Prolly made a comment that sent some fucking lady boy crying. I still try my luck on Filipino Cupid and have limited success. I don't need cam shows any more. Sometimes the girls will make their own pornos with you! But I agree a video show is a good way to vet. I think you are correct about young cute Filipina students and their subjects. My suggestion is just get your ass here and meet them in the malls or just walking around. P4 P can be from 1 K to 4 or 5 or more depending on where you are. That's a lot cheaper and easier than being a sugar dad but I admit I have four girls that I support. I can afford it on a retired American business professor's pension and social security 6 K / month. One of them is the mother of my son in Angeles. The second and third are students that live with me in Valencia (Negros Island) in my nice house with a pool frequented by bikini-clad cuties. The live-ins are 23 and 18. They cook, clean and do all the shopping for me in addition to being fulltime students that I pay for. Easy on the eyes. The fourth lives in Cebu, 22, and she has a killer body with big tits on a small frame. Also good looking. She recently had a baby (not mine) so her milk bags are full. With all this I still monger with trips to Angeles, Subic, Thailand, Jakarta, Vietnam and annually to Dominican Republic, the Land of the Giant Boobs. The flights are so cheap from here (except Caribbean, of course) . I would say I got it about as good as it gets without being filthy stinking rich. I'm 68 and somewhat fit. Choca Monger and Train Driver (if you are still alive) eat your hearts out. The pussy is everywhere in SEA and Latin America but nowhere in any Western country. Cheers, mates.

[QUOTE=DCups;2887534]I have found some gems on DIA even tho they kicked me off a while back for some unknown reason. Prolly made a comment that sent some fucking lady boy crying. I still try my luck on Filipino Cupid and have limited success. I don't need cam shows any more. Sometimes the girls will make their own pornos with you! But I agree a video show is a good way to vet. I think you are correct about young cute Filipina students and their subjects. My suggestion is just get your ass here and meet them in the malls or just walking around. P4 P can be from 1 K to 4 or 5 or more depending on where you are. That's a lot cheaper and easier than being a sugar dad but I admit I have four girls that I support. I can afford it on a retired American business professor's pension and social security 6 K / month. One of them is the mother of my son in Angeles. The second and third are students that live with me in Valencia (Negros Island) in my nice house with a pool frequented by bikini-clad cuties. The live-ins are 23 and 18. They cook, clean and do all the shopping for me in addition to being fulltime students that I pay for. Easy on the eyes. The fourth lives in Cebu, 22, and she has a killer body with big tits on a small frame. Also good looking. She recently had a baby (not mine) so her milk bags are full. With all this I still monger with trips to Angeles, Subic, Thailand, Jakarta, Vietnam and annually to Dominican Republic, the Land of the Giant Boobs. The flights are so cheap from here (except Caribbean, of course) . I would say I got it about as good as it gets without being filthy stinking rich. I'm 68 and somewhat fit. Choca Monger and Train Driver (if you are still alive) eat your hearts out. The pussy is everywhere in SEA and Latin America but nowhere in any Western country. Cheers, mates.[/QUOTE]Is filipino cupid worth the money?

Try also Peru in your next travel. So many stories for me there hehehe.

I really love your setup, maybe I will do DM directly to you to get the details of the living there, I will retire in a few year (5 yrs), but I lost 1 leg in an accident, so that's worry me there, for handicapp places to live or visit.

[QUOTE=DCups;2887534]I have found some gems on DIA even tho they kicked me off a while back for some unknown reason. Prolly made a comment that sent some fucking lady boy crying. I still try my luck on Filipino Cupid and have limited success. I don't need cam shows any more. Sometimes the girls will make their own pornos with you! But I agree a video show is a good way to vet. I think you are correct about young cute Filipina students and their subjects. My suggestion is just get your ass here and meet them in the malls or just walking around. P4 P can be from 1 K to 4 or 5 or more depending on where you are. That's a lot cheaper and easier than being a sugar dad but I admit I have four girls that I support. I can afford it on a retired American business professor's pension and social security 6 K / month. One of them is the mother of my son in Angeles. The second and third are students that live with me in Valencia (Negros Island) in my nice house with a pool frequented by bikini-clad cuties. The live-ins are 23 and 18. They cook, clean and do all the shopping for me in addition to being fulltime students that I pay for. Easy on the eyes. The fourth lives in Cebu, 22, and she has a killer body with big tits on a small frame. Also good looking. She recently had a baby (not mine) so her milk bags are full. With all this I still monger with trips to Angeles, Subic, Thailand, Jakarta, Vietnam and annually to Dominican Republic, the Land of the Giant Boobs. The flights are so cheap from here (except Caribbean, of course) . I would say I got it about as good as it gets without being filthy stinking rich. I'm 68 and somewhat fit. Choca Monger and Train Driver (if you are still alive) eat your hearts out. The pussy is everywhere in SEA and Latin America but nowhere in any Western country. Cheers, mates.[/QUOTE]You are living my template when I get there on retirement next year. Some do just stick with one but with all the availability that just seems silly. I got less years ahead of me than behind so enjoy all you can why you can. Filipina's I know can be very jealous but it seems somehow you are avoiding this, I may need some tips in that area. My retirement will be a bit les around 4 k but that should do ok.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2882803]A Master Licker will keep them cumming. This tongue in crackee![/QUOTE]Hahaha. Good idea.

[QUOTE=DCups;2887534]. Cheers, mates.[/QUOTE]I would love to know how you can keep all that up. We are about the same age and you seem to have about 100000% the energy I have. Example: I am arriving in Angeles later this week for a long spell but am very slow to move out of it because it is too much hassle to move. The downside is boring Angeles even though I got contacts in Tarlac etc. I take it you are not one of those guys who, when in Angeles, hangs out in Walking St drinking late morning coffee and staring off into space.

You also said you were a US professor. How did you keep your penchant for riding the range in check, or were you always a charged up bull?

If I were to rank the friends I have since about 8 years of age, maybe three or so are way fitter (one has the same waist line he had when he was 18). The others are either dead or not in good shape. And even I have to keep an eye on medical matters. You, on the other hand, bull doze away and I envy you in a good way.

[QUOTE=DCups;2887534]That's a lot cheaper and easier than being a sugar dad but I admit I have four girls that I support. I can afford it on a retired American business professor's pension and social security 6 K / month. One of them is the mother of my son in Angeles. The second and third are students that live with me in Valencia (Negros Island) in my nice house with a pool frequented by bikini-clad cuties. The live-ins are 23 and 18. They cook, clean and do all the shopping for me in addition to being fulltime students that I pay for. Easy on the eyes. The fourth lives in Cebu, 22, and she has a killer body with big tits on a small frame. Also good looking. She recently had a baby (not mine) so her milk bags are full. .[/QUOTE]Trying to understand this situation. You have one baby mama in AC (was she a bar girl you knocked up or a GF? 2 live ins (do you fuck them?) and one girl who got knocked up by some other dude? Hey its your cash but I'm just curious as to WHY?

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2887823]Filipina's I know can be very jealous but it seems somehow you are avoiding this, I may need some tips in that area.[/QUOTE]I'll make a really general statement that I find they are as jealous / tanpo / psycho as the guy puts up with.

No need to be a dick but if they know that predecessors were gone the minute they caused grief, then it's amazing how docile they can be.

On the other hand, if screaming and moodiness gets them what they want, then of course they will use those all the time.

I've heard a few guys describe the silent treatment as great as it gives them some peace a quiet for a few days. 😁.

Many guys seem to forget that the girls are there to add comfort and enjoyment not be a source of drama and frustration. Who needs that?

Cheers. G.

I saw the chief lady for the gang bang was on line. Contacted her ay 9. 30 GMT, 5. 30 am Manila time. I saw them out hooking earlier, one of them drunk. She now tells me she is eating from the garbage dump as hungry and no money. The problem with this is we had planned to meet for Jolibee, gang bang, off to a bar, then gang bang. I had planned to be generous by my standards but I see a big FK up here, with all kinds of demands and hassles from every area. Even if you were hungry at 5. 30 a, you would drink water and not go out when the rats are at play.

My worry is the shit I will have to put up with if I meet them, which could even include a Micky Finn.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2887924]Trying to understand this situation. You have one baby mama in AC (was she a bar girl you knocked up or a GF? 2 live ins (do you fuck them?) and one girl who got knocked up by some other dude? Hey its your cash but I'm just curious as to WHY?[/QUOTE]Neither one was a bargirl. Met first one on DIA when she had a great body. The second I met walking around in Dalaguete, Cebu. Still has a great body.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2887893]I would love to know how you can keep all that up. We are about the same age and you seem to have about 100000% the energy I have. Example: I am arriving in Angeles later this week for a long spell but am very slow to move out of it because it is too much hassle to move. The downside is boring Angeles even though I got contacts in Tarlac etc. I take it you are not one of those guys who, when in Angeles, hangs out in Walking St drinking late morning coffee and staring off into space.

You also said you were a US professor. How did you keep your penchant for riding the range in check, or were you always a charged up bull?

If I were to rank the friends I have since about 8 years of age, maybe three or so are way fitter (one has the same waist line he had when he was 18). The others are either dead or not in good shape. And even I have to keep an eye on medical matters. You, on the other hand, bull doze away and I envy you in a good way.[/QUOTE]Hi Jarango. I have always had a high libido since I didn't get laid til I was 19.650 some girls and 50 years later I still walk 1 - 2 hours a day, crunches, planks, eat 5 fruits a day and cut way down on carbs, sugar and alcohol. Redbull, viagra, THC and occasional 5 hour energy drinks all help. I only bang one of the two live-ins. The slim cute 18 year old is only eye candy.

As for banging students, yuh, I had three or four cuties who would come over after class or after the course ended and do ML. I never did a quid pro quo (lay for an A) but wouid have if they offered haha. Then online classes fucked it all up. Hell, I was guest lecturing in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam for about seven years and had some delicious Viet girls fafter class for free.

[QUOTE=DCups;2888031] cut way down on carbs, sugar and alcohol.[/QUOTE]I was packing and was a little over size for my bag, when orgy organiser started to wattsapp, telling me not to forget her chocolate.

Job sorted. I removed the chocolate, packed it away, thanked her for reminding me and will block her at the appropriate time. Yu have to be cruel to be kind to yourself, so no more drama from that quarter.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2888002]My worry is the shit I will have to put up with if I meet them, which could even include a Micky Finn
[/QUOTE]Pagpag is delivered at very early times in the morning and is actually really hard to find nowadays due to chemical spraying and you have to go to special resellers, not like the old days.

Girls from tondo ass pagpag will come with free tropical diseases that the western world doesn't even have names for. If you get gangbanged by these "girls"? You will go back to your home country with more than just a Micky Finn.

This is one reason why importaing girls from the provence is better than manila street trash. In the province they go into the mountains and scavenge and fish by the sea side. What you want are organic philipinas not chemically sprayed tropical disease infested hood rats.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2888156].[/QUOTE]I was in Smoky Mountain running an errand a looong tiem ago so I have a feel for the poverty. I have also asked those and the know about pagpag, which is revolting and a sad sign. There are, I heard, all different levels.

I am going to Angeles, not Manila and these girls are from the nearby provinces. The thing is they lack the work ethic and just sit around waiting for some foreigner to pay them to open their legs. I am going to block and skip them. Now I have a nicer province girl works in fast food joinnt and a student with very little English.

As regards the provinces, that is where they get the hookers from and some of them slide down and down.

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2888156]Pagpag is delivered at very early times in the morning and is actually really hard to find nowadays due to chemical spraying and you have to go to special resellers, not like the old days.[/QUOTE]Does this mean dumpsters are being sprayed with chemicals to prevent the harvesting of leftovers for Pagpag?

Two cute Filipinas answering spicy questions (funny):

[URL]https://youtu.be/Q9cAqD_SrMw?si=goY3gQ1seF4SQrQz[/URL]

Am I the only one who has lost username / password access to Pina Love on the website? Now I need to get a code sent to my email address everytime I log on??

Major PITA.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2893906]Am I the only one who has lost username / password access to Pina Love on the website? Now I need to get a code sent to my email address everytime I log on??

Major PITA.

G.[/QUOTE]I've only recently joined PL as I'm just planning a trip for next month. But my login is ok.

I've not set my location to pH, but currently every girl is asking for money to be sent. When I get there are there plenty of girls on PL who want to meet? And what is the going rate now as I've not been for a few years. TIA.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2893993]I've only recently joined PL as I'm just planning a trip for next month. But my login is ok.

I've not set my location to pH, but currently every girl is asking for money to be sent. When I get there are there plenty of girls on PL who want to meet? And what is the going rate now as I've not been for a few years. TIA.[/QUOTE]I prefer PL to get girls. There are plenty of girls available to meet up when you are there. Girls usually ask for 4-6 k range, but most can be talked down, especially if you want just short time. I had one girl agree to 2 k for two hours before, but cancelled on her because I found a girl I liked better and wanted to keep longer. If I was trying P4 P and not a real date, just put that you're looking for "fun," and the freelancers on there will know what you're looking for. You can find 18 year-old stunners up to big grandmas on there, so take your pick.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2893993]I've only recently joined PL as I'm just planning a trip for next month. But my login is ok.

I've not set my location to pH, but currently every girl is asking for money to be sent. When I get there are there plenty of girls on PL who want to meet? And what is the going rate now as I've not been for a few years. TIA.[/QUOTE]Are you using the app or pinalovedotcom? I'm using the web page on my phone. It's definitely a new "upgrade" as I asked their help desk and they confirmed the change saying it was for improved security.

I haven't tried it yet but suspect the app opens straight away.

Yes there are many girls available at short notice. To reduce the number of scammers and cash requests, best to wait till you are physically in country before making contact. There is no need to pre-book for next month.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2894080]Are you using the app or pinalovedotcom? I'm using the web page on my phone. It's definitely a new "upgrade" as I asked their help desk and they confirmed the change saying it was for improved security.

I haven't tried it yet but suspect the app opens straight away.

Yes there are many girls available at short notice. To reduce the number of scammers and cash requests, best to wait till you are physically in country before making contact. There is no need to pre-book for next month.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks both, that's good news.

I'm using the website on my android phone not the app.

Serious = never ask for anything but give everything?

That I guess is the definition in PH.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2897888]Serious = never ask for anything but give everything?

That I guess is the definition in PH.[/QUOTE]You can usually turn that around on girls in person. If you go all the way to her provence and she claims she serious but doesn't want to have sex then she isn't "serious" a small bluf that you came all that way but she isn't serious and she will usually jump in your bed so you follow that general rule while you are not in country the second you show up at her doorstep its her turn to show you what serious means.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2894080]

Yes there are many girls available at short notice. To reduce the number of scammers and cash requests, best to wait till you are physically in country before making contact. There is no need to pre-book for next month.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I always pre book because I like girl to stay with me LT. In between if I want ST I troll and chat with a girl who will come over. None of these things are easy anymore as economic and social situations has changed.

For my March trip going to Ho Chi Minh, KUL, Singapore, cebu, Manila I have contacted many girls and have arranged 3 guaranteed in cebu, 2 guaranteed in Manila. If any of those fail I have previous provider girls who have sent girls to me. The reason for pre booking is to weed out girls sitting on the fence. I want guarantee. Also money issues are settled and the timings are agreed upon.

Still many of these arranged plans may fall apart either by me or the girl for various reasons. It goes with the perils of mongering.

HCM not contacted anyone. Kul maybe go with the flow. Singapore, arranged to meet two domestic workers from Philippines and see what happens. Domestic workers in SINGAPORE get only sundays off and pre determined 2 weekdays off. But those girls know each other and all in the group because they hang around on Sunday. Not sure how much money they want.

I am a big fan of PinaLove and ThaiFriendly. The filipinas are generally easier to agree to pretty much anything one wants, while they Thai girls seem to have more rules (some don't like kissing or cunnilingus, BBFS is a big no-no for about half the freelancers, etc). If you contact them after 6 pm or so, the majority of the girls on the site are looking for "clients".

My question is this. On Pina, one comes across "No Boyfriend Since Birth". Is this supposed to tell us the girl is a virgin? If so, are these girls selling their virginity? (always highly suspicious when a girl says she is a virgin and wants you to pay). Or are they looking for gentle men who won't hurt them as they "pop" the hymen (which is already broken in many of girls anyway and doesn't break ever in a fair number of women due to its elasticity).

Or is the girl telling the guy that you aren't going to get laid until after the wedding? Does anyone have experience with this?

I am an old guy and have never fucked a virgin (even in my teens. All the girls had some experience before I slept with them). I am not adverse to the idea, but would prefer someone who has a little experience. I know the filipina girls think my rather normal penis is very big, and are sometimes nervous about white men even though thins usually work out fine. And I know guys who are excited by this idea, including a famous Brazilian / German expat I used to know in Rio who is now living in Cagayan, and is always on the lookout for virgins.

Chacun son goût!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2898926]I am a big fan of PinaLove and ThaiFriendly. The filipinas are generally easier to agree to pretty much anything one wants, while they Thai girls seem to have more rules (some don't like kissing or cunnilingus, BBFS is a big no-no for about half the freelancers, etc). If you contact them after 6 pm or so, the majority of the girls on the site are looking for "clients".

My question is this. On Pina, one comes across "No Boyfriend Since Birth".,,,,,,,,
Chacun son got![/QUOTE]I just saw this one in PL [URL]https://www.pinalove.com/kc018[/URL] with the same message.

I think I saw her also in DIA.

I think is more of a honeytrap, but I'm not sure, maybe you can try it and report back if the territory was already "discovered" by other monger or even herself hehehe.

Some think they still virgin because they never have foreigner open them up. So in their logic they are virgin to a foreigner.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2899013]I just saw this one in PL [URL]https://www.pinalove.com/kc018[/URL] with the same message.

I think I saw her also in DIA.

I think is more of a honeytrap, but I'm not sure, maybe you can try it and report back if the territory was already "discovered" by other monger or even herself hehehe.

Some think they still virgin because they never have foreigner open them up. So in their logic they are virgin to a foreigner.[/QUOTE]I messaged this girl and she told ne she is a virgin. She said she woukd be happy if I visited her in Tacloban and became her boyfriend. However, she does not want to have sex until our wedding night. Pretty crazy, IMO. First, to wait for marraige to have you first sexual experience and second to be ready to marry a guy she has never met. I don't even have a photo on the site! Honeytrap? Maybe. I was thinking she would ask for money, but she did not.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2899251]I messaged this girl and she told ne she is a virgin. She said she woukd be happy if I visited her in Tacloban and became her boyfriend. However, she does not want to have sex until our wedding night. Pretty crazy, IMO. [/QUOTE]She told me the same thing.

Hi guys! I am currently in UK, never been to Philippines, and out of boredom, I messaged this beautiful 21 years old girl in PinaLove who's profile says something in the lines of "Hi are you in manila then let's meet direct message me in my WhatsApp".

I sent her a message, pretended I am in Manila, and asked her to text me on my (UK!) WhatsApp number!

She quickly added me on WhatsApp and asked me where do I live? I said I have a condo near SM Mall of Asia!

She asked how long will I stay in Manila? I said I am here for my work and will be here for at least 6 months with the possibility of an extended stay!

She asked me what I am looking for, I said I am looking for a girlfriend! And when I returned the question she said she is also looking for a long term boyfriend.

She said she lives in Pampanga and lost her job recently and is looking for a job and lives with his siblings.

When I asked her how much was her last monthly salary, she said 7500 PHP or 250 a day.

So I took the plunge and told her I will offer her 10 K PHP per month if she comes and live with me and be my permanent romantic girlfriend!!

She accepted my offer immediately and was telling me she just needs to go to North Caloocan to get some extra clothes then she will be heading my way to stay at least 3 or 4 days with me and see how it goes!

I really felt bad and blocked her right away and didn't want to play with her feelings much longer, but really? 10 K PHP monthly for a live-in girlfriend? Are things this easy? I spent 20 minutes, texted 4 girls and this was the outcome.

If this is true, I guess the only reasonable question after this is: What the heck am I still doing in UK?!

I wonder which of our fellow mongers in this chat room / pen pals forum was chatting with these girls?

[URL]https://pwetan.com/putang-ina-ang-sarap-nyong-pagsasabaying-kantotin/[/URL]

Or this is the action of the retired mongers living in PH? What do you think @d cups?

Time to abadon the Western prision.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2901119]I wonder which of our fellow mongers in this chat room / pen pals forum was chatting with these girls?

[URL]https://pwetan.com/putang-ina-ang-sarap-nyong-pagsasabaying-kantotin/[/URL]

Or this is the action of the retired mongers living in PH? What do you think @d cups?

Time to abadon the Western prision.[/QUOTE]Yes but it wasn't me!

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2901119]I wonder which of our fellow mongers in this chat room / pen pals forum was chatting with these girls?

[URL]https://pwetan.com/putang-ina-ang-sarap-nyong-pagsasabaying-kantotin/[/URL]

Or this is the action of the retired mongers living in PH? What do you think @d cups?

Time to abadon the Western prision.[/QUOTE]Having some trouble understanding that link. A visit there (pic #1) shows a video you can click on (center arrow), but instead of playing the vid, it takes me to the yahoo news feed. Clicking any of the other links (see red arrows) does the same. Whatddup wid that?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2901213]Having some trouble understanding that link. A visit there (pic #1) shows a video you can click on (center arrow), but instead of playing the vid, it takes me to the yahoo news feed. Clicking any of the other links (see red arrows) does the same. Whatddup wid that?[/QUOTE]You get about 20 popups before the lame video plays.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2901213]Having some trouble understanding that link. A visit there (pic #1) shows a video you can click on (center arrow), but instead of playing the vid, it takes me to the yahoo news feed. Clicking any of the other links (see red arrows) does the same. Whatddup wid that?[/QUOTE]Hum. I don't know, it works well for me, I am using Chrome in a desktop.

The video shows a group of pinays following I guess instrucitons thru a video call.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2901223]You get about 20 popups before the lame video plays.[/QUOTE]I have pop up blocker in my chrome.

Fellow mongers.

Ladyboy or not?

[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Imbrokeaf[/URL]

Looking for a daddy.

[QUOTE=Toni36;2900545]Hi guys! I am currently in UK, never been to Philippines, and out of boredom, I messaged this beautiful 21 years old girl in PinaLove who's profile says something in the lines of "Hi are you in manila then let's meet direct message me in my WhatsApp".

I sent her a message, pretended I am in Manila, and asked her to text me on my (UK!) WhatsApp number!

She quickly added me on WhatsApp and asked me where do I live? I said I have a condo near SM Mall of Asia!

She asked how long will I stay in Manila? I said I am here for my work and will be here for at least 6 months with the possibility of an extended stay!

She asked me what I am looking for, I said I am looking for a girlfriend! And when I returned the question she said she is also looking for a long term boyfriend.

She said she lives in Pampanga and lost her job recently and is looking for a job and lives with his siblings.

When I asked her how much was her last monthly salary, she said 7500 PHP or 250 a day.[/QUOTE]I wonder sometimes while I am still in the US! I have been four times to Phil, yes, it is that easy, or at least it used to be. I haven't been since Covid, hoping to get there this year. Most recommend waiting until on the ground to make contact. My first trip, I chatted up with a girl from Manila, and one from Davao a week or so before arriving. Both stayed with me for a few days, didn't ask for money, I just gave a small gift. This was about 10 years ago. Or course, I took in the sights at LA Cafe, places in Cebu, etc. I ended up going back to visit the Manila girl, after taking in sights at LA Cafe, then we went to Boracay. Kinda of flaky on this trip, but still fulfilled my needs, I gave a small donation at the end, of course, covered all the expenses in Boracay.

I made another quick trip over from Japan a few years later, just went with the club girls at LA, Havana, and in Subic. The last trip, I paired up with a girl from Manila (after LA, Havanna, etc) then went to Subic for a short hookup, then back to see the girl from Manila. No money asked for, but gave each a small token of my appreciations.

Start packing, it's that easy, but you may have to sift through some BS.

That's a stolen photo from Miss Tiffany's Universe which is a beauty pageant for Thai transgender women in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Member#1088;2901902]Fellow mongers.

Ladyboy or not?

[URL]https://www.pinalove.com/Imbrokeaf[/URL]

Looking for a daddy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=George03;2901929]I wonder sometimes while I am still in the US! I have been four times to Phil, yes, it is that easy, or at least it used to be. I haven't been since Covid, hoping to get there this year. Most recommend waiting until on the ground to make contact. My first trip, I chatted up with a girl from Manila, and one from Davao a week or so before arriving. Both stayed with me for a few days, didn't ask for money, I just gave a small gift. This was about 10 years ago. Or course, I took in the sights at LA Cafe, places in Cebu, etc. I ended up going back to visit the Manila girl, after taking in sights at LA Cafe, then we went to Boracay. Kinda of flaky on this trip, but still fulfilled my needs, I gave a small donation at the end, of course, covered all the expenses in Boracay.

I made another quick trip over from Japan a few years later, just went with the club girls at LA, Havana, and in Subic. The last trip, I paired up with a girl from Manila (after LA, Havanna, etc) then went to Subic for a short hookup, then back to see the girl from Manila. No money asked for, but gave each a small token of my appreciations..[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. Agreed that it's just too early to make real plans before arriving there. At this point I am just testing the waters and gathering information on how these girls react. Anyone quoting me a number is a pro or semi-pro so I block them right away. I chat with the remaining to see what they want and practice my skills.

I usually turn the subject into whether they are working or not, and how much is their (expected) monthly salary. This would make it clear how much money would be enough to "help" them or "hire" them in one way or another.

From my current conversations, the salary for an entry- to mid-level basic job such as a cashier in Manila is around 610 PHP per 8 hours work day. In the provinces, this number drops to around 450 PHP per 8 hours work day.

Furthermore, these girls need to pay for pre-employment examinations when changing / starting a job which come down to around 2 K PHP, so that is another venue where they need help with.

Considering these numbers, it should be no surprise why a Filipina girl would be happy and appreciative if you offer them 10 K to hang around with them for a coupler of weeks. But I still need to put these theories into real test when I would finally get myself there!

[QUOTE=George03;2901929]I wonder sometimes while I am still in the US! I have been four times to Phil, yes, it is that easy, or at least it used to be. SNIP

I made another quick trip over from Japan a few years later, just went with the club girls at LA, Havana, and in Subic. The last trip, I paired up with a girl from Manila (after LA, Havanna, etc) then went to Subic for a short hookup, then back to see the girl from Manila. No money asked for, but gave each a small token of my appreciations.

Start packing, it's that easy, but you may have to sift through some BS.[/QUOTE]It can't be that easy. You'll never have any fun. They never bust off their conservative leashes.