FKK Artemis - Berlin

Hi everyone,

I've been to a few FKKs like sharks / palace and sunshine in Mch. This will be my first time in Berlin.

Is end of June a good time to go? Good casting? I mostly lookout for blondes, anyone have any recommendations? It's more likely I will just go with the experience of the place and what I've read of, I don't mind the silicone look some times so any recommendations welcome.

Thanks in advance. Have a good weekend.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2308023]I think there is a language barrier here. LOL. But I do think Green Arrow has a point, these days, there are no legendary girls at Artemis. Even the top performers are at the level wr have seen 2-3 years ago. Sad, but true.[/QUOTE]I wasn't talking about "these days". I was with talking about those days I was with Lilia and Marketa LOL! Yes, all the Artemis tutes I have been with over the years. And to say that out of that volume just two were "legendary". That's hardly throwing the title around and just giving it out to everybody.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2308026]I don't understand why so aggressive. A service is not believe not believe it is a fact. When you experience like you with 2000 things here post, I think you know what you say. This what I say a legendary load you experience. In all honesty and no aggressively. I am sorry to say opposition of you.[/QUOTE]I think there are two separate things here. One is the discussion about the girl, who at least used to provide very good service and another is about the general quality of the club. The services at this club have deteriorated enormously from 2104 to now. The last time I visited this place was in late 2018, I was shocked by how awful the service levels had become. Prior to this visit, I always thought Artemis was better than most reports had described service wise.

However my last experience at Artemis made it worse than any other FKK I have ever been to service wise, this includes Palace, where I was satisfied. I have had good experiences in Oase and many at Sharks. But as far as Artemis is concerned I would avoid the place like the plague until I had read a lot of better reports about it. This is a shame, because I am really starting to like Berlin, the city is starting to look very nice with all the reconstruction of historical sites in it.

I do think it would be bizarre not to acknowledge that the service level in this club has deteriorated enormously, however the service level of an individual girl is up to individual experiences, maybe her service level is still very good.

The Cane usually does usually pay for extras and maybe that is why his experiences tend to be better. I second the opinion of many that the promise of one hour rooms gets you far better service in most cases in Germany.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2308271]I think there are two separate things here. One is the discussion about the girl, who at least used to provide very good service and another is about the general quality of the club. The services at this club have deteriorated enormously from 2104 to now. The last time I visited this place was in late 2018, I was shocked by how awful the service levels had become. Prior to this visit, I always thought Artemis was better than most reports had described service wise.

However my last experience at Artemis made it worse than any other FKK I have ever been to service wise, this includes palace, where I was satisfied. I have had good experiences in Oase and many at Sharks. But as far as Artemis is concerned I would avoid the plague until I had read a lot of better reports about it. This is a shame, because I am really starting to like Berlin, the city is starting to look very nice with all the reconstruction of historical sites in it.

I do think it would be bizarre not to acknowledge that the service level in this club has deteriorated enormously, however the service level of an individual girl is up to individual experiences, maybe her service level is still very good.

The Cane usually does usually pay for extras and maybe that is why his experiences tend to be better. I second the opinion of many that the promise of one hour rooms gets you far better service in most cases in Germany.[/QUOTE]I very agree with this. You say it better. The girl it is semantica: the service it is in the moment one of the best in Artemis for sure. It is just not legendary. For me legendary it is Michael Jordan hall of fame if I make basketball analogia. More than this I think Artemis have not legendary girls for a long time. But in general words, we agree that Artemis it is down for long time now, the girl it is good of course (I think not legendary mister the cane think yes it is legendary). It is all. Thanks all for making clarification and many respect to everyone here. Happy time in FKK and bordello and for all I wish good prostitutes for the Easter.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2308271]The Cane usually does usually pay for extras and maybe that is why his experiences tend to be better. I second the opinion of many that the promise of one hour rooms gets you far better service in most cases in Germany.[/QUOTE]I go almost exclusively for hour-long sessions with BBBJ / CIM and anal (when the girl does that). I'm very picky, and don't try to go with every single girl in the place. I will take my time and pick. Maybe only 2 max per visit. Sometimes 3. It works for me. I definitely don't think that you get more just by paying more for extras though! You have to take your time and screen for the girls who are going to "do it" for you. I've had a lot of success over the years, and would go to Artemis again.

[QUOTE=Sexaddict12;2301756]I When I had sex with her I felt like I had sex with a porn star I would recommend Selena from Bulgaria to anyone.[/QUOTE]She is nice girl. Does not enjoy cunnilingus, but I do it for myself, not for her / them in general. Strange thing is; she starts teasing after the session, offering her sexy ass. Too late, I'm in recovery mode (since I am not 16 anymore). Some of you guys are obviously CEOs of Rectum Research, so give it a try. Will try next time. Damage 120/1 hour. CBJ. Because German laws are and have always been for the benefit of mankind.

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[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2308271]I think there are two separate things here. One is the discussion about the girl, who at least used to provide very good service and another is about the general quality of the club. The services at this club have deteriorated enormously from 2104 to now. The last time I visited this place was in late 2018, I was shocked by how awful the service levels had become. Prior to this visit, I always thought Artemis was better than most reports had described service wise.

However my last experience at Artemis made it worse than any other FKK I have ever been to service wise, this includes Palace, where I was satisfied. I have had good experiences in Oase and many at Sharks. But as far as Artemis is concerned I would avoid the place like the plague until I had read a lot of better reports about it. This is a shame, because I am really starting to like Berlin, the city is starting to look very nice with all the reconstruction of historical sites in it.[/QUOTE]Artemis is a nightmare for all the mongers looking for a good ratio price vs service, now if you are willing to spend a lot of euros probably you will get good service, also the girls are in average older than in the other big FKK, so also less fresh not only body wise but also in their head.

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2308271]I think there are two separate things here. One is the discussion about the girl, who at least used to provide very good service and another is about the general quality of the club. The services at this club have deteriorated enormously from 2104 to now. The last time I visited this place was in late 2018, I was shocked by how awful the service levels had become. Prior to this visit, I always thought Artemis was better than most reports had described service wise.

However my last experience at Artemis made it worse than any other FKK I have ever been to service wise, this includes Palace, where I was satisfied. I have had good experiences in Oase and many at Sharks. But as far as Artemis is concerned I would avoid the place like the plague until I had read a lot of better reports about it. This is a shame, because I am really starting to like Berlin, the city is starting to look very nice with all the reconstruction of historical sites in it..[/QUOTE]+1.

Agree on everything here. Up until my last visit to Artemis in Dec. I was still giving this place the benefit of a doubt. I've sadly had to realize that there was time to take a long break from this club. IMO it deteriorated even during 2018 alone, and I could see a nog difference between my visit in Jan. Vs the one in Dec.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2308257]I wasn't talking about "these days". I was with talking about those days I was with Lilia and Marketa LOL! Yes, all the Artemis tutes I have been with over the years. And to say that out of that volume just two were "legendary". That's hardly throwing the title around and just giving it out to everybody.[/QUOTE]Nope, two girls is not throwing the title around, I agree. However, I don't think she hit the service jackpot with so many as she did with you. That said, going to other clubs, I easily find higher level of service. Don't you have similar experience?

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2308138]You have right. She is in the Palace in Frankfurt. Maybe today not so good like before, but then in Artemis was granade all.[/QUOTE]She would have been classy beauty girl if she did not have all that tattoo and too big enhanced silicone tits of plastic surgeries, but that is what the FKK industry do to many girls.

First they begin by small tattoo, that spread to bigger areas of their body to eventually covering most part of their body, then do breast silicone job, then do the lip enhancement to give them duck lip, then do nose job to give more higher straighten nose, then sky is the limit for their surgeries and inking.

It is almost as if the brothel industry and FKK atmosphere is slowly polluting their body too with silicone and inks.

I hardly ever seen surgeries or inking going good and it is too bad because some girls would have been so much more beautiful when they started out without surgeries and tattoos, but hey, this formula goes same with normal out of industry girls, with in legal age are better girls look.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2308380]Nope, two girls is not throwing the title around, I agree. However, I don't think she hit the service jackpot with so many as she did with you. That said, going to other clubs, I easily find higher level of service. Don't you have similar experience?[/QUOTE]The clubs where I have consistently had the most outstanding service include Artemis, Oase, Palace, Babylon Hamburg, and Atmos. Always laugh and shake my head when mongers claim nothing but poor service at some of these clubs. That has not been my personal experience. Maybe it's the routine hour-long sessions and the extras. I don't know. On the other hand, mongers go on and on praising Sharks, but the place just doesn't work for me. Go figure!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2308388]She would have been classy beauty girl if she did not have all that tattoo and too big enhanced silicone tits of plastic surgeries, but that is what the FKK industry do to many girls.

First they begin by small tattoo, that spread to bigger areas of their body to eventually covering most part of their body, then do breast silicone job, then do the lip enhancement to give them duck lip, then do nose job to give more higher straighten nose, then sky is the limit for their surgeries and inking.

It is almost as if the brothel industry and FKK atmosphere is slowly polluting their body too with silicone and inks.

I hardly ever seen surgeries or inking going good and it is too bad because some girls would have been so much more beautiful when they started out without surgeries and tattoos, but hey, this formula goes same with normal out of industry girls, with in legal age are better girls look.[/QUOTE]Could have been a beautiful natural girl and instead she is a beautiful silicone girl.

I am not sure if she still performs at old days level.

To be fair, it's not hard to find good service at Artemis. But to find it at reasonable price is very hard nowadays.

Personally I don't go to Berlin only for Artemis anymore, honestly I think it's to expensive. I will be there in mid June next time, to ensure it being a good time I will try to get a few of my favorite girls to be there on those dates, using WhatsApp messages.

I much rather go to Spain for better and cheaper service, can't compare FKK experience to mongering in Spain. But the sunny weather, nicer food and the more relaxed atmosphere makes the decision easy for me.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2308640]Could have been a beautiful natural girl and instead she is a beautiful silicone girl.

I am not sure if she still performs at old days level.[/QUOTE]I went with her once and it was in 2014, she was good. She has beautiful classy small face and her figure is perfect, it is just that too big enhanced tit, the same goes for Nika too, this group make it way too big. Plus inks on all over the body.

Some guys like it, but I tend to like natural type beauty, so with my taste, it was waste of beauty as they would have been beauty without it.

However, even though I do not like tattoos at all, I sometimes like fucking girls with many tattoos like that because I do not meet girls with so many tattoos like that with social circle that I am in, so it was nice going with her once.

They are actually very good hearted girls and fair enough price with return of good service, I paid 150 euro for one hour and the service was good. She was good person, so I do miss seeing her around in club because she is faded away from main mega FKK clubs now with very limited sighting at palace now. I do imagine, she will always work in brothel industry though because with so much tattoos, it would be hard to find other jobs.

See that you guys were discussing legends of Artemis. If we talk about service level I think almost every guest has a different experience with a specific girl, but sure some girls have grown a reputation over the years to perform at a higher level of GFE experience. And I admit that I have had sessions with a specific girl because of her reputation. Two girls crosses my mind Nina (CZ) and Fatima (SVK) normally I wouldn't session with them because looks wise they don't appeal to me, but I must admit they were both great performers. I think they both should be considered as Legends. Marketa (CZ) who someone mentioned, took her to the room a couple of times but nothing spectacular to me.

A few other girls that have been great performers for me over the years have been Annika (DE) one of the famous 'Abdul' gang that included Lulu as well if I'm not mistaken. Bella (CUB) has always been fantastic with me. Sheenya (ROM) was super beautiful and second to none in the zimmer. Akira (Thai) big breasted asian beauty, super GFE. And two still active girls at Artemis, Samantha (BUL) and Kisha (DE, BRA) I must be honest and say that Samantha is getting a bit old for my taste, but she has always been a absolute pleasure to spend time with. Kisha is probably my all time favorite at Artemis, needless to say her service level is top class if you get to know her.

Others that can be considered as 'Legends' must be Jenna (DE) for her unique rack! Iris (ROM) has been there since at least 2009 when I was with her for the first time of many!! Sick when you think about it!

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2308672]To be fair, it's not hard to find good service at Artemis. But to find it at reasonable price is very hard nowadays.

Personally I don't go to Berlin only for Artemis anymore, honestly I think it's to expensive. I will be there in mid June next time, to ensure it being a good time I will try to get a few of my favorite girls to be there on those dates, using WhatsApp messages.

I much rather go to Spain for better and cheaper service, can't compare FKK experience to mongering in Spain. But the sunny weather, nicer food and the more relaxed atmosphere makes the decision easy for me.[/QUOTE]I like Berlin as a city to visit too beside Artemis, it got historical vibe to the city that I love with plenty of things to do before heading to Artemis from late afternoon till midnight.

However, big problem with Artemis and palace is that:

1): Not just upsell, but extreme upsell.

I do not mind mild upsell in exchange for service, but in recent years girls just got more stupidly greedy that nobody who has some idea about other FKK won't take such a price tag that they now try to push on your face in German FKK. It is in same range as or sometimes even more than globe Zurich where service is sure and secure to deliver.

2): Delivery of promised serviced is not sure thing.

Even you agree on their upsell to some extent, they sometimes do not deliver the service they promised to deliver in exchanging for upsell.

Conclusion:

The business transaction has to serve both parties and in some case in Artemis and palace, it is only to the favor for girl and not client, so in some cases, it is better off to go to globe Zurich where service is secure in exchange for higher price and go to nrw where it is no upsell almost with better service till Artemis and palace girls calm down a bit with crazy deal they try to offer.

Mr Ho,

I totally agree with you and others. For me there are no excuses for the way most girls behave themselves at Artemis, greed is a death sin after all LOL.

Even longer sessions comes with extra nowadays, if you add the entrance fee as well you can have two hour long sessions in sunny Spain with CIM included in her services. As I wrote, for me the choice is simple.

I will come to Berlin with a gang in mid June for leisure in Berlin. I will visit Artemis once or twice if I get Kisha to be in Berlin on those dates, if not I might skip it actually.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2308982]Mr Ho,

I totally agree with you and others. For me there are no excuses for the way most girls behave themselves at Artemis, greed is a death sin after all LOL.

Even longer sessions comes with extra nowadays, if you add the entrance fee as well you can have two hour long sessions in sunny Spain with CIM included in her services. As I wrote, for me the choice is simple.

I will come to Berlin with a gang in mid June for leisure in Berlin. I will visit Artemis once or twice if I get Kisha to be in Berlin on those dates, if not I might skip it actually.[/QUOTE]I have to add and point out one thing based on my experience though.

Beside what I wrote being quite accurate observation of recent trend in FKK like palace and Artemis, the best sessions I had in all FKK are in Artemis and palace LOL.

What I wanted saying is that mild upsell is good thing that serve both interest of monger and FKK girls, but recent trend of extreme upsell is almost only serving girls only and question mongers to go else where, where water is sweeter, better and cheaper.

Berlin was perfect city for me for mongering in Germany, I enjoy the city till like 4 pm and from 5 pm ish, I go to Artemis till midnight or bit later. I hope I will return one day as my core mongering destination.

As for now, I will stick to land in Frankfurt, train to Dusseldorf, to enjoy two cities, where I can cut risks into two cities with many clubs.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2309229]I have to add and point out one thing based on my experience though.

Beside what I wrote being quite accurate observation of recent trend in FKK like palace and Artemis, the best sessions I had in all FKK are in Artemis and palace LOL.

What I wanted saying is that mild upsell is good thing that serve both interest of monger and FKK girls, but recent trend of extreme upsell is almost only serving girls only and question mongers to go else where, where water is sweeter, better and cheaper.

Berlin was perfect city for me for mongering in Germany, I enjoy the city till like 4 pm and from 5 pm ish, I go to Artemis till midnight or bit later. I hope I will return one day as my core mongering destination.

As for now, I will stick to land in Frankfurt, train to Dusseldorf, to enjoy two cities, where I can cut risks into two cities with many clubs.[/QUOTE]I was listening the boss in Artemis is sending some girls out of the club. Maybe they make improve. I think maybe they don't send out the girls what must go. Even to clean they must to know how to clean. I don't get back in there soon, only when I go Berlin to business, then I will look it out.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2311393]I was listening the boss in Artemis is sending some girls out of the club. Maybe they make improve. I think maybe they don't send out the girls what must go. Even to clean they must to know how to clean. I don't get back in there soon, only when I go Berlin to business, then I will look it out.[/QUOTE]Some girls are even banned from Artemis. It is strict on certain things, but upselling and service provided is no touch zone and girls do what they want more or less in Artemis, but there seems to be some fixed rule among girls.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2311393]I was listening the boss in Artemis is sending some girls out of the club. Maybe they make improve. I think maybe they don't send out the girls what must go. Even to clean they must to know how to clean. I don't get back in there soon, only when I go Berlin to business, then I will look it out.[/QUOTE]Besides from that you only will go to Artemis if business brings you to Berlin, I have to say that I do not understand what you are saying.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2311393]I was listening the boss in Artemis is sending some girls out of the club. Maybe they make improve. I think maybe they don't send out the girls what must go. Even to clean they must to know how to clean. I don't get back in there soon, only when I go Berlin to business, then I will look it out.[/QUOTE]My Artemis break didn't happen as I had to work in Berlin last week. Many girls are missing, but I am not sure if they really kick out some girls. Had one 60 euro session and it was quite amusing. She asked for a twenty euro tip if I keep her in the room over 20 minutes, I am not going to use any adjectives here as I am sure why'all can come up with many personalized / customized adjectives that will be just as good and there are just too many. A waste of money. The girl was newish I think and after that session, I have only one question: what is the point of kicking out girls if the new girls you take to work for you are a disaster? Shit in shit out doesn't work IMO.

It gets worst and worst and no one is the wiser there.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2311393]I was listening the boss in Artemis is sending some girls out of the club. Maybe they make improve. I think maybe they don't send out the girls what must go. Even to clean they must to know how to clean. I don't get back in there soon, only when I go Berlin to business, then I will look it out.[/QUOTE]The boss is a key member of the HA Berlin, I am not really sure you met him, many girls have a close relation to the the HA members, let us not be naive.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2311779]My Artemis break didn't happen as I had to work in Berlin last week. Many girls are missing, but I am not sure if they really kick out some girls. Had one 60 euro session and it was quite amusing. She asked for a twenty euro tip if I keep her in the room over 20 minutes, I am not going to use any adjectives here as I am sure why'all can come up with many personalized / customized adjectives that will be just as good and there are just too many. A waste of money. The girl was newish I think and after that session, I have only one question: what is the point of kicking out girls if the new girls you take to work for you are a disaster? Shit in shit out doesn't work IMO.

It gets worst and worst and no one is the wiser there.[/QUOTE]Dead right. I cannot for the life of me understand why guys go to clubs where decent service only starts at 80 or 100 per half hour when there are still clubs with lovely non-sharks around (of course in Berlin there are not other FKK options).

[QUOTE=Optimist;2312073]Dead right. I cannot for the life of me understand why guys go to clubs where decent service only starts at 80 or 100 per half hour when there are still clubs with lovely non-sharks around (of course in Berlin there are not other FKK options).[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Artemis for some time (12 months?) so I don't have a feel for how busy the place is nowadays.

It strikes me that the FKK model is capitalism in quite a pure form. Supply and demand with no regulation of costs other than those of the market.

If numbers of punters decrease then Artemis will presumably wish to act (as far as they can) to address the issues. If the numbers of customers remain high, presumably they won't bother, its not a problem financially.

So what do the regulars think re customer numbers?

[QUOTE=Traveller63;2312206]So what do the regulars think re customer numbers?[/QUOTE]74 years ago Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov liberated Berlin. Hitler, Himmler, Goring, Goebbels, Bormann, Hess, Speer, SS, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, all obliterated. These days the victors are Titty, Mimmi, Kitty and Sissy, born in 1994, weighing 54 kg walking around naked carrying small bags containing rubbers and mouthwash. Stalin must be proud.

TBH, we have received Emirates service for the price of EasyJet economy tickets with cabin bags only for so many years. The place is still packed with minimum price 160/ h. 40 rubbers are filled up every hour between 11-05. It is over. We lost.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2312414]74 years ago Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov liberated Berlin. Hitler, Himmler, Goring, Goebbels, Bormann, Hess, Speer, SS, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, all obliterated. These days the victors are Titty, Mimmi, Kitty and Sissy, born in 1994, weighing 54 kg walking around naked carrying small bags containing rubbers and mouthwash. Stalin must be proud.

TBH, we have received Emirates service for the price of EasyJet economy tickets with cabin bags only for so many years. The place is still packed with minimum price 160/ h. 40 rubbers are filled up every hour between 11-05. It is over. We lost.[/QUOTE]I like your note. Made me giggle.

160 an hour doesn't guarantee good service anymore. It is extremely sad. Even 200 dies not guarantee good service. Of course, depends on the girls and so on, but lets assume the consensus on top girls rather than a subjective view. Even than the top Artemis girls are far off from top Hessen NRW girls. Artemis is really difficult these days.

As for numbers, while Artemis is still ATM the club with most visitors, the number of frequenters had declined and will keep declining. But let remember that most of the Artemis crowd is tourist who can't really differentiate service levels and those get kicked out of the room in 10 minutes and get 2 minutes covered BJ with another two positions sex for another 5 minutes before the girls says "you take to long, finish already and stop breathing on me. "

This trickle down economy of awareness will take more time before it is fully translated into numbers.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2312414]74 years ago Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov liberated Berlin. Hitler, Himmler, Goring, Goebbels, Bormann, Hess, Speer, SS, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, all obliterated. These days the victors are Titty, Mimmi, Kitty and Sissy, born in 1994, weighing 54 kg walking around naked carrying small bags containing rubbers and mouthwash. Stalin must be proud.

TBH, we have received Emirates service for the price of EasyJet economy tickets with cabin bags only for so many years. The place is still packed with minimum price 160/ h. 40 rubbers are filled up every hour between 11-05. It is over. We lost.[/QUOTE]I am fairly certain that during my last visit I saw Zhukov, Martin Bormann and Lord Lucan, all in towelling dressing gowns, watching the football in the downstairs bar.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2312414]74 years ago Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov liberated Berlin. Hitler, Himmler, Goring, Goebbels, Bormann, Hess, Speer, SS, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, all obliterated. These days the victors are Titty, Mimmi, Kitty and Sissy, born in 1994, weighing 54 kg walking around naked carrying small bags containing rubbers and mouthwash. Stalin must be proud.

TBH, we have received Emirates service for the price of EasyJet economy tickets with cabin bags only for so many years. The place is still packed with minimum price 160/ h. 40 rubbers are filled up every hour between 11-05. It is over. We lost.[/QUOTE]Should we request the Admin to change the name of this thread appropriately to "FKK Artemis Berlin. A lost case"?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2312592]Should we request the Admin to change the name of this thread appropriately to "FKK Artemis Berlin. A lost case"?[/QUOTE]Although I think you said this in jest you may have a valid point?

My first visit to the world of FKK was at Artemis, I loved it and returned a number of times.

However my last visit was in November 2017 and since then I have gone to Clubs in the Frankfurt (initially it was by accident) area where I found the service just as good but cheaper.

I've always wanted to return to Artemis but quite frankly the reports I've read on this and other forums have made me think twice.

Artemis was always that "bit more expensive" than other Clubs but it now appears prices have increased further with a decrease in quality services.

Just a shame I never tried Jena!

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2311699]Besides from that you only will go to Artemis if business brings you to Berlin, I have to say that I do not understand what you are saying.[/QUOTE]Other readers understand and answer very nice, but OK, I sorry for my English, I will try more extra for you. The boss of Artemis is not liking this situation. The WG's in the Artemis said he told to some girls that they cannot work in there more. But some girls must be out are still there; very rude girl from Lebanon, Turkish Clara or Lara, very skinny Berlin girl also what must be out. Some the girls very humiliation for clients. The way they are when you say to them you have no interest to go in the room it is not OK, I wanted to go home from the shocking words they use. I was feeling so not comfortable. A lot work there 5+ years and they almost angry bei the clients always. One small Bulgaria girl comes late and all the time so aggressive. So it is my summary, that the boss must know to tell the right girls that they can't work there more and not send the good girls home. I am hope that this it is more clear for mister PinballMachine. If it is not good, you please say me and I do my best again.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2312592]Should we request the Admin to change the name of this thread appropriately to "FKK Artemis Berlin. A lost case"?[/QUOTE]LOL, Truly a masterpiece. Well done, you should be a poet. I second the name change. Let's do it.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2312625]Other readers understand and answer very nice, but OK, I sorry for my English, I will try more extra for you. The boss of Artemis is not liking this situation. The WG's in the Artemis said he told to some girls that they cannot work in there more. But some girls must be out are still there; very rude girl from Lebanon, Turkish Clara or Lara, very skinny Berlin girl also what must be out. Some the girls very humiliation for clients. The way they are when you say to them you have no interest to go in the room it is not OK, I wanted to go home from the shocking words they use. I was feeling so not comfortable. A lot work there 5+ years and they almost angry bei the clients always. One small Bulgaria girl comes late and all the time so aggressive. So it is my summary, that the boss must know to tell the right girls that they can't work there more and not send the good girls home. I am hope that this it is more clear for mister PinballMachine. If it is not good, you please say me and I do my best again.[/QUOTE]Wolves in sheep's clothing. Well you have a lot of knowledge mister. Much obliged. I think I know this skinny one, she actually looks pretty good IMO, but you confirm my suspicions about her.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2312625]Other readers understand and answer very nice, but OK, I sorry for my English, I will try more extra for you. The boss of Artemis is not liking this situation. The WG's in the Artemis said he told to some girls that they cannot work in there more. But some girls must be out are still there; very rude girl from Lebanon, Turkish Clara or Lara, very skinny Berlin girl also what must be out. Some the girls very humiliation for clients. The way they are when you say to them you have no interest to go in the room it is not OK, I wanted to go home from the shocking words they use. I was feeling so not comfortable. A lot work there 5+ years and they almost angry bei the clients always. One small Bulgaria girl comes late and all the time so aggressive. So it is my summary, that the boss must know to tell the right girls that they can't work there more and not send the good girls home. I am hope that this it is more clear for mister PinballMachine. If it is not good, you please say me and I do my best again.[/QUOTE]Thanks man I understand now.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2312841]Thanks man I understand now.[/QUOTE]Very nice response Green arrow, thank you. I must say that Artemis is such a great facility, it is just hard to believe that this is the situation. Everything that is directly facility management is almost perfect. There must be a serious check on girls and not just some angry reaction that send 20 girls home. Has to a long term approach with taking the right girls because no where in Germany girls have the luxury they have in Artemis. Maybe send then to Leipzig for a weekend to appreciate what you hey have, LOL.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2312625]But some girls must be out are still there; very rude girl from Lebanon.[/QUOTE]I met a skinny girl from Lebanon that last time I was at Artemis. I remember her well because she cracked me up! She said, "We go to the room, and I make for you the hummus"! Hahaha! Well, she really wasn't my type, and I politely declined. She took it quite well too actually. Too skinny for my tastes! And she knew it too, saying that she knew guys "like me" liked some booty, and she didn't have any LOL! Come to think of it, I also have met one other Lebanese girl at Palace years ago. A white-skinned, Christian girl. Knew she wouldn't last long in the trade! The session went a little bit over (according to her) and she wanted to charge me for another full 30 minutes. We ended up at the front desk. Her career was short-lived indeed!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2313014]I met a skinny girl from Lebanon that last time I was at Artemis. I remember her well because she cracked me up! She said, "We go to the room, and I make for you the hummus"! Hahaha! Well, she really wasn't my type, and I politely declined. She took it quite well too actually. Too skinny for my tastes! And she knew it too, saying that she knew guys "like me" liked some booty, and she didn't have any LOL! Come to think of it, I also have met one other Lebanese girl at Palace years ago. A white-skinned, Christian girl. Knew she wouldn't last long in the trade! The session went a little bit over (according to her) and she wanted to charge me for another full 30 minutes. We ended up at the front desk. Her career was short-lived indeed![/QUOTE]Probably she was from France, never met any girl from Lebanon in a FKK.

My first time in Artemis was very good only the first girl was a little bit too much talking about money. Annabell a red hair girl was in the beginning very lovely when we was in the room totally different. She say we can stay one hour with full service for 400€. A little bit too much for me so I booked the half hour for 60€ but it was only 3 minutes. Never again.

The second girl was Dilera beautiful girl with Turkish roots. She is professional and I like that. I book the half hour for 160€ with Analsex. Very nice experience. Top! The third girl was from Bulgaria her name is Gigi. A nice blond natural girl. I pay 110€ for GFS. She give me a good time. Nice half hour without pushing.

I like Artemis because of the atmosphere. It's not boring and you have many choices. The food was okay. The spa is clean. Repeat!

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2313870]My first time in Artemis was very good only the first girl was a little bit too much talking about money. Annabell a red hair girl was in the beginning very lovely when we was in the room totally different. She say we can stay one hour with full service for 400. A little bit too much for me so I booked the half hour for 60 but it was only 3 minutes. Never again.

The second girl was Dilera beautiful girl with Turkish roots. She is professional and I like that. I book the half hour for 160 with Analsex. Very nice experience. Top! The third girl was from Bulgaria her name is Gigi. A nice blond natural girl. I pay 110 for GFS. She give me a good time. Nice half hour without pushing.

I like Artemis because of the atmosphere. It's not boring and you have many choices. The food was okay. The spa is clean. Repeat![/QUOTE]A first time was very good when one girl ask 400 an hour and make you out in 3 minutes? Second girls 160 half hour must have kissing licking eating and all Apollo lust for. 3 it is 110 30 minutes and your first time was so very good. I am very apologize, you don't know FKK and you can't never give a what is called holistic review for FKK. For this money, you can go anywhere else and have some real beauties. Not Artemis pool of old women, silicon and tired from the life. Those women what in Artemis, put them in NRW and they must really work or to go home. Please don't it understand as attack Apollo, it is not and you are very nice person. It is only the Artemis trap for the people what don't know FKK real life. I wish you go to good FKK one day, I wish you will have a real the good time for your good money and then please you come again this posting and give us your review after new experience. I hope for my Kollege hier a perfect time with real beauties, please go even Hawaii, Living room, Aca, or GT to know what is real woman, real, service girls. Artemis it is a the funny joke on men not FKK. Yes, will be nice when the big boss there read this and make serious stop to this. Better go palace even get real women for this money not the greedy gold digging old silicon girls in there. Annabel it is the quite pretty girl not silicon old yes. Only fresh girl there. 400 euro 1 hour and it is blowjob only the hat of the cock and fuck is not to touch so the repunzel harre so she will not lose time on really shower after fuck and go direct in bar area to find new other sucker. Even now two old, porno stars sit in bar entry to welcome the manner. Ja danke for the 60 year old porno girls with all tattooed and all wrinkle face. FKK for grandmutter. I will make finish to this with only one question what it is the restaurant where you get the really street bahn station food and pay like the best restaurant in the complete world?

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2313870]A nice blond natural girl. I pay 110 for GFS. She give me a good time. Nice half hour without pushing.[/QUOTE]Glad you had good time, but it is insane to pay these prices. A prices are getting near more than 2 X normal price in Berlin (not including 80 Eur entry)! WTF??

Said all before: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=2256743&viewfull=1#post2256743[/URL].

Ninja propose mongers reading this should get some balls, and get organized. Some ideas:

1. Whenever you go to A, chat quietly with other men and discuss prices. Tell all to chat with others. Get agreements that you will say no and walk away if 30 min with kissing, DATY, blowjob cost more than 60 EUR. If a few mongers do this, word will quietly spread and maybe "market" can get normal. This occurs because men tolerate it and pay. "Market" is not some objective thing. It emerges from behavior of men.

2. Refuse to go with girls who charge ridiculous prices. Think with brain, not dick.

3. Complain at front desk about prices. Don't need to mention names, just that this overcharging is ridiculous. If reception hears this over and over again, they will take notice and tell girls to throttle back. If you go together in small group, impact will be greater. Say pricing gotten so crazy you will not return unless situation is fixed. Management will hear this.

4. Fill out suggestion form toward front door before reception. Write same about prices.

Some quiet resistance will change things as word spreads and as management hears it. Only 5-10 guys saying this every night would be enough.

Understand this takes away from a relaxed night of fun but would take really only a few minutes. And ice breaker to meet men with similar ideas. Crazy to just tolerate these prices. Push back on predatory pussy pricing power.

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2313870]My first time in Artemis was very good only the first girl was a little bit too much talking about money. Annabell a red hair girl was in the beginning very lovely when we was in the room totally different. She say we can stay one hour with full service for 400. A little bit too much for me so I booked the half hour for 60 but it was only 3 minutes. Never again.

The second girl was Dilera beautiful girl with Turkish roots. She is professional and I like that. I book the half hour for 160 with Analsex. Very nice experience. Top! The third girl was from Bulgaria her name is Gigi. A nice blond natural girl. I pay 110 for GFS. She give me a good time. Nice half hour without pushing.

I like Artemis because of the atmosphere. It's not boring and you have many choices. The food was okay. The spa is clean. Repeat![/QUOTE]LOL, he had a very good time. I can stop laughing from the description vs the headline. I got a lot of tan sitting under the moonlight. Oh men, you are so funny. Maybe someone else will have some energy to explain prices vis a vis good time and service. Google synonymous for this situation are chiefly, but not limited to chump, dupe, gull, mug (chiefly British), patsy, pigeon, pushover, sap, soft touch, tool. How come there are so many of you in a world dominated by the concentration of wealth and people leaving and credit. But he had a good time, LMAO. Nice dude, truly, a masterpiece. And the star Anabella or whatever her name is strikes again. Did you ask her how much she wants for anal 800?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]Glad you had good time, but it is insane to pay these prices. A prices are getting near more than 2 X normal price in Berlin (not including 80 Eur entry)! WTF??

Said all before: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=2256743&viewfull=1#post2256743[/URL].

Ninja propose mongers reading this should get some balls, and get organized. Some ideas:

1. Whenever you go to A, chat quietly with other men and discuss prices. Tell all to chat with others. Get agreements that you will say no and walk away if 30 min with kissing, DATY, blowjob cost more than 60 EUR. If a few mongers do this, word will quietly spread and maybe "market" can get normal. This occurs because men tolerate it and pay. "Market" is not some objective thing. It emerges from behavior of men.

2. Refuse to go with girls who charge ridiculous prices. Think with brain, not dick..[/QUOTE]Ninja, my friend, but he had a good time. LMAO.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2256743]Look, you and others can pay what you want, and you must decide value. Time pressure plays big role. But, since law change (which we now know is silly and not enforced) girls take advantage. Big picture is this. Look at multiple websites in Berlin -bordello home pages, kaufmich, Berlin intim etc. And you will find well over 3000 girls working here. They charge about 140 ish for a fine hour with most extras. That is competitive market price now in Berlin. For years, Artemis prices were about this level. (To be fair, prices for girls both in and outside A in Berlin have changed little in over 15 years so with some (very) slight inflation maybe 5-10% would be reasonable).

Since new law (which has not changed prices in "outside" Berlin market at all) some Artemis girls seem to be getting away with almost double this, if you include portion of 80 Eur entrance fee. They do this because conditions inside distort market which means some ideal notion of simple supply and demand do not work. An incomplete list. Imperfect, asymmetric information; barriers to entry and exit; oligopoly, collusion, poor enforcement of contract; too many buyers chasing too few sellers; and and and (sounds like conditions for Trump company). There is story that during a Logistics Messe, crowding was so bad and girls so scarce inside that they were able to charge 200 for 30 minutes and guys were paying. Management was not happy..[/QUOTE]We should post this every day next to Apollo 400 offer from Anabelle until management decides to take action to save their club or globe / sharks / Goldentime time will decide to open another club in Berlin. I will even like it if oceans will move their club to Berlin.

NookyNinja. I hope visitors will listen to your voice of experience.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]Glad you had good time, but it is insane to pay these prices. A prices are getting near more than 2 X normal price in Berlin (not including 80 Eur entry)! WTF??[/QUOTE]I don't think the price is the problem. Paying 100 extra for anal is a choice. Paying extra for extra service is not strange. Especially if you have a good time. Your suggestions are a bit strange. In weekends each and every night Artemis receives a hundred or more new visitors who are overwhelmed by the scene. They will eagerly pay extra. What are you going to say to them: Don't pay extra, accept mediocre service and in time the regulars will have a better time? Really? Artemis goes up and down and the story of TheGreenArrow is better than most recent posts. I have been to other places in Berlin. Just believe me: Artemis is the better option.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2314210]NookyNinja. I hope visitors will listen to your voice of experience.[/QUOTE]Nah, don't expect that. There will always be many more stupid morons in the world than smart people who really understand what's good for themselves. For validation, look at the state of so many "democratic" countries around the world.

Well put, Nooky Ninja!

This should apply to other clubs as well even if Artemis may be one of the worst at the moment.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2314287]Nah, don't expect that. There will always be many more stupid morons in the world than smart people who really understand what's good for themselves. For validation, look at the state of so many "democratic" countries around the world.[/QUOTE]Yep, not going into politics and the merits of the travelling french man, but as pertains to FKK land, I agree with you.

[QUOTE=Traveller63;2312206]So what do the regulars think re customer numbers?[/QUOTE]Who is a regular per your definition?

I was in Artemis more than three times. I find the toilet without any help and I was never in room number thirteen. I don't sit at the bar claiming to be from Italy and recommend helpless mongers a / my girl. I don't punch other mongers in the back who want to take a seat on my couch. I also don't walk around and approach girls to tell them that they should immediately approach the men behind her on the couch. I don't do twelve rooms per night to keep my side business going on discreetly. I don't ask girls what they did in the room so long with the guy for only 60 Euro. I don't ask girls what this one weird customer wanted again. I don't go to a room with my niece, to pretend that she is in high demand. I don't bone one off my girlfriends after her shift in the kino to show her my love. I don't need two brothers and five cousins to overcome the fear leaving my block and going scared alone to a nightclub. I don't marry the daughter of my uncle. I don't need Artemis as a rehab because I am depressed that I found nobody who is impressed by the bling around my neck.

I didn't shot Nidal. I pay my full entry fee. I am not a regular.

But I ask myself why you didn't have read that Artemis has up to 100.000 visitors per year. The Club is open for 361 days per year, which makes an average of about 280 guests per day.

Rudloff is locked up for scamming investors. So don't care much about numbers.

If you are able to ignore all the minor side roles needed to do the presentation of the scripted spectacle right, Artemis is quite empty.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2312073]Dead right. I cannot for the life of me understand why guys go to clubs where decent service only starts at 80 or 100 per half hour when there are still clubs with lovely non-sharks around (of course in Berlin there are not other FKK options).[/QUOTE]Some mongers also wonder about why Bulgarian farmer daughters who inform themselves detailed before they move to Germoney to start living their dream -spreading legs for nice rich men, nearly like those who write here -choose to work in 30 Euro service miracle clubs. Clubs where they have to deliver the good grandpa service fifteen times per day, instead of working in a Club where they get payed double the rate for doing half of the work.

Tough choice for independent young women. The dying Pott need more support. The agency should write more stories about the heaven, the joy, the 7th world wonder a monger can experience outside of the very only Club in Germany which is nix good.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2314058]... I hope for my Kollege hier a perfect time with real beauties, please go even Hawaii, Living room, Aca, or GT to know what is real woman, real, service girls. ...[/QUOTE]Hawaii is a very nice club too. They even sponsor their own monger board with an awesome writer to generate good reviews. Not quite dumb. The best club of the world.

The free alcohol in LR may help to judge the lineup as "out of this world". You just need to keep the balance on the bar stool, then you can pop 9 times without going to the room. So beautiful. The best club of the world.

Aca, Velbert? Still open? Or Gold?

Doesn't matter. The best clubs of the world. Fair extra prices for bareback activities delivered by supermodels who don't like modelling.

GT the best club of the world. Only orderly people. The place to be for former comrades who know how to greet with their right arm. Open till late in the night. Amazing.

Thanks for the hints. I would go there every day.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2314098]Did you ask her how much she wants for anal 800?[/QUOTE]I am not Apollo12. But he wrote in his report:

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2313870]She say we can stay one hour with full service for 400. ...[/QUOTE]From my understanding "full service" includes anal. He declined this offer.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2314411]Hawaii is a very nice club too. They even sponsor their own monger board with an awesome writer to generate good reviews. Not quite dumb. The best club of the world.

The free alcohol in LR may help to judge the lineup as "out of this world". You just need to keep the balance on the bar stool, then you can pop 9 times without going to the room. So beautiful. The best club of the world.

Aca, Velbert? Still open? Or Gold?

Doesn't matter. The best clubs of the world. Fair extra prices for bareback activities delivered by supermodels who don't like modelling.

GT the best club of the world. Only orderly people. The place to be for former comrades who know how to greet with their right arm. Open till late in the night. Amazing.

Thanks for the hints. I would go there every day.[/QUOTE]I cannot really understand your post. These are not the best clubs in Germany, but they are definitely top for service. Hawaii, I agree less, but had some good times there.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2314421]I am not Apollo12. But he wrote in his report:

From my understanding "full service" includes anal. He declined this offer.[/QUOTE]Well, as much as I do appreciate your understanding, from your few extreme responses here, I don't really trust your view or understand your multiple incoherent rants.

I will entertain a post from you for the last time, full service by default definition, means including sex. FKK doesn't have that full service vocabulary, but it could mean all extras included, it could mean only strong GFE included with kissing licking etc. For anyone that knows Anabelle, she doesn't give strong GFE and doesn't offer all extras and services that other girls offer. Therefore, the question "what does she want 800?" It doesn't matter at this point what's her service as it becomes irrelevant.

I wish you luck. You are added to my ignore list.

Hi guys,

I haven't been to Artemis in about a year. Is it still good on a Friday / Saturday late night? Which do you recommend for amount of girls / quality? Oase, Artemis, Sharks or FKK world?

Does anyone know the drink prices in Artemis?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2312625] One small Bulgaria girl comes late and all the time so aggressive. So it is my summary, that the boss must know to tell the right girls that they can't work there more and not send the good girls home. I am hope that this it is more clear for mister PinballMachine. If it is not good, you please say me and I do my best again.[/QUOTE]I know which Bulgarian girl you mean. There are actually two agressive girls from the same country. I think one is with short black hair and with a big butt and a small waist but I don't know her name. The other one I know for sure her name is Kary, Carry? One time I tried approaching her to talk and grabbed her waist and she told me to get my dirty hands out of her. I naturally apologized and was a little bit shocked by her behavior. After all I tried to talk a little with her from a bigger distance, but my desire to walk with her to the room had evaporated by her behavior.

[QUOTE=Sexaddict12;2315060]I know which Bulgarian girl you mean. There are actually two agressive girls from the same country. I think one is with short black hair and with a big butt and a small waist but I don't know her name. The other one I know for sure her name is Kary, Carry? One time I tried approaching her to talk and grabbed her waist and she told me to get my dirty hands out of her. I naturally apologized and was a little bit shocked by her behavior. After all I tried to talk a little with her from a bigger distance, but my desire to walk with her to the room had evaporated by her behavior.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. Good to know I am not the only one to observe this behavior. Only in Artemis.

[QUOTE=Sexaddict12;2315060]I know which Bulgarian girl you mean. There are actually two agressive girls from the same country. I think one is with short black hair and with a big butt and a small waist but I don't know her name. The other one I know for sure her name is Kary, Carry? One time I tried approaching her to talk and grabbed her waist and she told me to get my dirty hands out of her. I naturally apologized and was a little bit shocked by her behavior. After all I tried to talk a little with her from a bigger distance, but my desire to walk with her to the room had evaporated by her behavior.[/QUOTE]BTW; it is so strange that so many of us experience the same aggression and no one is doing anything about it.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2314533]Well ...

I wish you luck. You are added to my ignore list.[/QUOTE]Never say goodbye.

You know the puff life, know how it is to get ignored, being just another robe in the darkness, treated heartless. But it doesn't hurt anymore. No, it doesn't hurt anymore.

Who want you to be afraid? Who want that your memories fade? Devils in suits. Manipulate.

There's no storm to come for those who were never to blame for. It was never all your fault.

Don't shed a tear, just be a canny Danny.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2317895]Who want you to be afraid? Who want that your memories fade? Devils in suits. Manipulate. There's no storm to come for those who were never to blame for. It was never all your fault.
[/QUOTE]Ninja wonder, do they have FKK on your home planet? Do they put psilocybin in drinking water?

PdP very close to being most barking mad bonkers poster in entire ISG. Working girls should be afraid, very afraid.

LOL, Carrie surely is moody. If she had only known how lucky she is to be so popular. I suppose she gets asked so often to go to the room that at some point she stopped caring about money. But it is worrysome if other girls have started mirroring her behavior out of pride.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]Ninja propose mongers reading this should get some balls, and get organized. Some ideas: ...[/QUOTE]Where do I get these balls?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]1. Whenever you go to A, chat quietly with other men and discuss prices. Tell all to chat with others. Get agreements that you will say no and walk away if 30 min with kissing, DATY, blowjob cost more than 60 EUR. If a few mongers do this, word will quietly spread and maybe "market" can get normal. This occurs because men tolerate it and pay. "Market" is not some objective thing. It emerges from behavior of men.[/QUOTE]How to chat quietly when testicles let a man's voice sound like a iron maiden? What should men do who don't like to chat with "gentlemen" who push you if just look "wrong" at them? How could I'll be sure that the other gentlemen keep the agreement? Girls call them liar, not only me. What should I do if I don't want kisses, BJ or licking during a room? Is it allowed to exchange for a massage or sleeping 30 minutes?

But I like the idea. Honestly, honestly. Maybe some of the bears who live in Artemis should talk a serious word with others in a quiet dark corner.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]2. Refuse to go with girls who charge ridiculous prices. Think with brain, not dick.[/QUOTE]What is a brain? Can I stick it in a hole?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]3. Complain at front desk about prices. Don't need to mention names, just that this overcharging is ridiculous. If reception hears this over and over again, they will take notice and tell girls to throttle back. If you go together in small group, impact will be greater. Say pricing gotten so crazy you will not return unless situation is fixed. Management will hear this.[/QUOTE]Complaining at the front desk is more like giving positive feedback to the brothel business consultant agency, letting them know that they advises get obeyed. Isn't it?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]4. Fill out suggestion form toward front door before reception. Write same about prices.[/QUOTE]Or sing them a new song, receptionists like to get entertained.

My 57 yo granddaughter told me that people are writing 'E-males' or 'She-mails' (I didn't understand it right) since a while nowadays. So maybe mongers could send the manage man just a neatly put shemail.

If he has time he could lock the office door, light some candles, turn up Ricky Martin while reading and here he goes "un, dos, tres."

This will change everything.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]Some quiet resistance will change things as word spreads and as management hears it. Only 5-10 guys saying this every night would be enough.[/QUOTE]Many companies would be happy with a complain rate of just under 5 percent.

The time is now for a nice little violence free riot with maybe 19.000 mongers marching down Kudamm to Artemis shouting something like:

"Brothers need more service! Because we deserve this!"

Be their leader.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2314092]Understand this takes away from a relaxed night of fun but would take really only a few minutes. And ice breaker to meet men with similar ideas. Crazy to just tolerate these prices. Push back on predatory pussy pricing power.[/QUOTE]Every time I approach naked men under the shower and ask them for they sexual preference's and how much they would pay, they start to insulting me. Except one. He was so handsome and tender.

But I keep Mohammed's name for myself.

Anybody should rescue the turtles who are trying to reach beach to bury rotten eggs.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2318761]Where do I get these balls?[/QUOTE]Happy if this helps save on therapy bills. But please do not forget to take your meds.

It is extremely rare to find guys who lies or bullshits about girls. And if you happen to be unlucky, finding two such guys in the same club is unheard of. At least if you talk to two guys not seemingly friends.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2319421]Happy if this helps save on therapy bills. But please do not forget to take your meds.[/QUOTE]Ni ja is very thoughtful, but some instances require Ninja warrior treatment.

Ok so enough of this personal BS distraction stuff. Time to return to roots: info about Artemis. Big news is seems A has struck deal with Nasa to lay ground work to open new facility on Moon.

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/13/18622415/nasa-moon-return-first-woman-astronaut-artemis-program[/URL]

Ninja big fan of Zero G fucking because of unique positions possible, such as girl can spin like top in cowgirl etc. (must keep busy during 5 day flight).
Ask for more details at Artemis reception. Maybe selling seats on missions. This is clear alternative to Virgin Galactic.

We are still waiting for you to report. A good detailed report with all the names of girls giving blow jobs without condoms and exactly how much you paid them etc. That is what you ask from others.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2322306]We are still waiting for you to report. A good detailed report with all the names of girls giving blow jobs without condoms and exactly how much you paid them etc. That is what you ask from others.[/QUOTE]Ninja did not ever and does not ask this of others. Only that they try to help on public forum with girl name and if experience was enjoyable or not. Name is useful, as many others have said over many years.

You are senior member, so you should know better than to ask what you asked. First this is public and with new laws it is crazy and risky to mention girls names with other than you had a good or bad time and why without going into too much detail. You may think things are so relaxed. They are not. You read other forums and you see there are raids occurring every now and then throughout DE, and Artemis still recovering. Extreme example, Ninja think guys on AO NRW forums put girls at risk with some details. Of course, ironic. But raid on Artemis showed us what can happen with no cause or warning. Other issue - girls can be extremely competitive with each other. Open discussion of prices can set this off. Girls read this, they talk about everything. So better to be more discrete here. But this does not mean not discussing prices especially if crazy expensive.

Second what girl does or does not do with guest is question of mood at the moment, history, chemistry and mutual attraction (or lack). So how girl might be with me says absolutely nothing of how she will be with others. This is truth. Unless you believe girls are cyborgs. Ninja simply say and have said many times if you are patient, not jerk, tune into girl not just yourself, great times possible for not much money. You may say this is bullshit cop out. Ninja try to explain so you understand. If you do not, nothing to be done. Good luck.

Not much information of girls at this forum anymore. Does anyone know if Aileen (Tur / De) from Hamburg is still working at Artemis?

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2322763]Not much information of girls at this forum anymore. Does anyone know if Aileen (Tur / De) from Hamburg is still working at Artemis?[/QUOTE]I saw here there last week.

Thank you PinballMachine, I wish Aileen is working 20/6-23/6.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2323175]I saw here there last week.[/QUOTE]Do you have a better description of her? I saw one who seems to pop in for a couple days or weeks and then disappears. She is a real pro, I saw her once but I forget her name.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2323456]Thank you PinballMachine, I wish Aileen is working 20/6-23/6.[/QUOTE]I like her looks, but I've always had the feeling she's a real Shark. I've seen her go with "first-timers" a lot. What do you think?

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2322763]Not much information of girls at this forum anymore. Does anyone know if Aileen (Tur / De) from Hamburg is still working at Artemis?[/QUOTE]The Aileen you mean has not worked for a long time and was not there last week, at least not there on the weekend.

I have been with Aileen 5-6 times in the past, I have always had a really great time with her. I have not been with her after the new law regarding BBBJ so I don't know if she charges more or not for this specific service.

Aileen had long black hair last time I've seen her. She has a beautiful face, big enhanced tits, fitness trained body and a very tasteful pussy!

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2323823]I have been with Aileen 5-6 times in the past, I have always had a really great time with her. I have not been with her after the new law regarding BBBJ so I don't know if she charges more or not for this specific service.

Aileen had long black hair last time I've seen her. She has a beautiful face, big enhanced tits, fitness trained body and a very tasteful pussy![/QUOTE]But this is a eternity, may be she is already retired and have children.

Sorry for another "is xxxx still there" post but does anyone know if Amy (lean, natural blonde from Stuttgart) is still there? Typically works earlier, I believe.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2324225]Sorry for another "is xxxx still there" post but does anyone know if Amy (lean, natural blonde from Stuttgart) is still there? Typically works earlier, I believe.[/QUOTE]She has blonde hair with blue eye? Former Goldentime Bruggen girls? All natural body with no tattoo I think?

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2323823]I have been with Aileen 5-6 times in the past, I have always had a really great time with her. I have not been with her after the new law regarding BBBJ so I don't know if she charges more or not for this specific service.

Aileen had long black hair last time I've seen her. She has a beautiful face, big enhanced tits, fitness trained body and a very tasteful pussy![/QUOTE]I thought Aileen was the pretty dark-blonde Turkish girl wit glasses? Very nice body, natural tits, some tattoos on legs.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2324449]She has blonde hair with blue eye? Former Goldentime Bruggen girls? All natural body with no tattoo I think?[/QUOTE]I think she has blue eyes. I don't know if about Goldentime; I've never been there and she never mentioned it that I can remember. All natural, no tattoos. Yes, kind of rare for Artemis from what I can remember last couple times I was there.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2324761]I think she has blue eyes. I don't know if about Goldentime; I've never been there and she never mentioned it that I can remember. All natural, no tattoos. Yes, kind of rare for Artemis from what I can remember last couple times I was there.[/QUOTE]If it is a same girl I had session with her before. I am going to Artemis in summer for sure and I will seek out for some of the old flame and she will be one of them, so if I see her I post it here.

It is still long time till my summer visit, but how are line up nowadays? Some German beauty around?

Has Artemis has WiFi now?

I am aware that you are not allowed to bring phone in to main bar etc. , but you are allowed at reception area and entrance where the sofa is. So has Artemis offer WIFI in those area now?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2324553]I thought Aileen was the pretty dark-blonde Turkish girl wit glasses? Very nice body, natural tits, some tattoos on legs.[/QUOTE]The Aileen he means, has black hair, often pony tail, full lips, not tall, slim, big silicone with a sweet ass. She has not worked I a very long while and rumor has it, she is unlikely to return to Artemis. But who knows.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2325130]The Aileen he means, has black hair, often pony tail, full lips, not tall, slim, big silicone with a sweet ass. She has not worked I a very long while and rumor has it, she is unlikely to return to Artemis. But who knows.[/QUOTE]OK. So who's the girl I thought was Aileen? Blonde one with glasses, Turkish.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2325443]OK. So who's the girl I thought was Aileen? Blonde one with glasses, Turkish.[/QUOTE]I am not sure her name is Aileen. She is fake blondish, silicone, not really a nice ass IMO, looks and walks a little bit like a duck. But Aileen has been there since 2012. Left last year and she is one of the better girls that Artemis knew, especially in these dark days.

[QUOTE=TheScomp;2128735]I was in Artemis this summer and I want to share my bad experience. I have been in two other FKK in Germany without anything out of the ordinary. So I found a good looking turkish girl wearing glasses and in our chat I tell that this was my first time there. Huge mistake, we go into the room and after 5 minutes, I kid you not, she tells me -you have to finish, time is up. I tried to continue with another position and she told me that I don't get another position for a half an hour session, so she stopped the hole thing telling me that's it's, she had to go. I was shocked and speechless and threatened to call the manager, then she offered to finish me with a handjob, so I stayed -mistake number 2. Of course this couldn't work out cause she really ruined it so after a while I told her to stop, and went down to pay her. I wasn't going to make a scene, but after I paid her she went to the reception to cover her ass, told them that I couldn't cum and left laughing at me. That made me furious so I did call the manager, and it came down to a he said- she said situation. The manager took the girls position basically saying that if I stayed in the room for a "normal" period of time, there is nothing she can do but watch the cameras to verify the time, and that it was normal practise for girls to remind the time to customers even 5 minutes in. I knew I wasn't going to win this argument so I let it go. I did have a really good session with a spanish girl. So overall lesson learn, there is no room for nice guys or you'll be a push over.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is the Turkish girl I mean?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2326001]Maybe this is the Turkish girl I mean?[/QUOTE]I know the girl you mean, I just don't remember her name. She is not on the same level Aileen for looks or service. Aileen likes red lipstick and is very sweet looking and has a sweet voice. This Turkish is far from sweet. Ill come back at so e point with the name when I remember. It will be nice if the good Aileen decide to make a tour.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2325655]I am not sure her name is Aileen. She is fake blondish, silicone, not really a nice ass IMO, looks and walks a little bit like a duck. But Aileen has been there since 2012. Left last year and she is one of the better girls that Artemis knew, especially in these dark days.[/QUOTE]Artemis casting was good, diverse with some young German beauties and Romanian young beauties till like yeat 2015, it is after 2015 that casting at Artemis begin to go bad like too many plastic surgery old monsters and too extreme upsell that made me go to other FKK destination like nrw.

I went to Artemis recently. I guess a lot of people her comment from past experience which is no longer valid. Artemis now is like in the old days. But there is one caveat. You have to pay 30-50 euros extra per session. I found that out recently. A few months ago I went there and stuck to not paying extra. It was a lousy day. A few weeks ago I paid extra when asked to and I had two marvellous sessions. So, it's up to you. The downside is that the name of the girl cannot be on this board when you paid extra because Artemis might send her away. I do know a lot of people around here don't want to pay extra and I don't like it either but I simply had a good day for some extra money. Take your pick.

Long time ago, Ninja went to some FKK club in Germany. Saw some girls. If anyone has seen them, please say Hi and ask when are they working?

Still think I make fun on page one? Misconception. Look up in the sky, helicopter spotlights, pimp! Stop! Polizei!

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2318207]Ninja wonder, do they have FKK on your home planet?[/QUOTE]The bot is wondering and wondering and don't have eyes to see and a nose to smell excrement of Allah on the Koran.

But let me answer with aggressive and loud words of a receptionist who has to follow advises:

"What is That for a question? "

I have history here, not as much as in Sexclubs, but read this again:

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2076627]Then came super sexy (at least for me) Alisha around the corner and before I could even say "no thanks, I'm just chilling", it immediately broke out of her and she roared:

"Wtf are you doing here? If you like guys in tight shorts, go there and suck their cocks". The Englishman laughed out loud, the Norwegian showed absolutely zero interest and I was quite shocked, because I didn't do anything.

And you know what, on my next visit me and Alisha had a nice time together up in di room. This is how it can be.
...

I would love to be there.[/QUOTE]And then read again the response of an "Agent Nash" to my Alisha anecdote:

[QUOTE=AgentNash;2078084]I had the same incident with Alisha, but the next day she gave me the best CIM ever.

Where is she now? I didn't see her for a year, she is one of the best CIM provider.[/QUOTE]Agent Nash an alien from planet Pluto who is landing on airport BER, walking on his six feets and nine arms to Artemis to shoot sperm into hooker mouths?

Raissa would say what she has to hear every day from the pimps: "YOU are the crazy one of us! ".

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2318207]Do they put psilocybin in drinking water?[/QUOTE]Why and who should do this? How many tons of funny fungi's should the great unknown throw into the water of the hydroelectric power station to let everybody see pink elephants fly around? The water in my hometown Slubice is definitely not brown.

Or are you talking about liquid ecstasy? Then you have to ask posters like Optimissy who usually sign with "cheers".

But to answer a wrong question correctly.

I don't have to live on the third floor, I don't get prescriptions for sickmaking pills from a self claimed doctor who is shitting on the Hippocratic oath.

This is drug free writing here, exactly how the youth should do.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2318207]PdP very close to being most barking mad bonkers poster in entire ISG. Working girls should be afraid, very afraid.[/QUOTE]Barking? Admina let an 'Eselficker' call others a dog? No backbone.

Girls don't need a visit of mine to be afraid, a Danny from the office with his soft Piston is enough.

Girls like to believe that I am a friendly pushover, I payed always extra for slapping makeup faces. Not like Bulgarian husbands who do it for free on a daily routine, because domestic violence is standard in their culture.

Mad world, not me.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2326736]I went to Artemis recently. I guess a lot of people her comment from past experience which is no longer valid. Artemis now is like in the old days. But there is one caveat. You have to pay 30-50 euros extra per session. I found that out recently. A few months ago I went there and stuck to not paying extra. It was a lousy day. A few weeks ago I paid extra when asked to and I had two marvellous sessions. So, it's up to you. The downside is that the name of the girl cannot be on this board when you paid extra because Artemis might send her away. I do know a lot of people around here don't want to pay extra and I don't like it either but I simply had a good day for some extra money. Take your pick.[/QUOTE]If service is provided as promised and 30 min is 30 min not 15 min or 20 min, then I am willing to pay 30 to 40 euro extra per 30 min.

100 Euro per 30 min is close to Globe Zurich price range, so service should be the same if there is upsell.

Also line up should be more young and beautiful instead of old girls who has been around for years in Artemis and plastic surgery monsters full of tattoo. Older line up should be replaced with young and beautiful girls.

I am returning in summer after few years to Artemis and I hope the day I go has young and beautiful girls and not old ones with surgeries.

[QUOTE=TheGreenArrow;2325655]I am not sure her name is Aileen. She is fake blondish, silicone, not really a nice ass IMO, looks and walks a little bit like a duck. But Aileen has been there since 2012. Left last year and she is one of the better girls that Artemis knew, especially in these dark days.[/QUOTE]Well haha you are right, she has kind of a duck ass, but I find it sexy. Turkish girl, brown eyes, dark blonde, tattoos, always wearing glasses.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2327075]If service is provided as promised and 30 min is 30 min not 15 min or 20 min, then I am willing to pay 30 to 40 euro extra per 30 min.
100 Euro per 30 min is close to Globe Zurich price range, so service should be the same if there is upsell.
Also line up should be more young and beautiful instead of old girls who has been around for years in Artemis and plastic surgery monsters full of tattoo. Older line up should be replaced with young and beautiful girls.
I am returning in summer after few years to Artemis and I hope the day I go has young and beautiful girls and not old ones with surgeries.[/QUOTE]Last time 30 minutes was 30 minutes, yes. But not many clubs can guarantee that. Artemis can't. But, (I picked this up from another board) management has instructed girls to provide better service. Comparing it to Globe might be a good thing to do. I only got to their doorstep and then turned away as I did not get a free ticket on my birthday as it was my first time there. But just remember that one hour with paying extra is 160 euro and in Globe that is more expensive. Getting a (good) kisser in Artemis might be a stretch. But I am curious how you like it. Please report. The Line-up for sure was good a few weeks ago. One tip. Enter the bar area, walk to the end of the bar. Turn left. At that spot there is a girl named Ginger. Ro. She doesn't take extras. She is not a very good provider (OK, but nothing special) but she is absolutely stunning. Fully naked, deep brown colour, long brown hair. She is friendly. Take her for half an hour. Her beauty is enough. I had her a few months ago. Did not repeat as the other options were so much better regarding the services provided. But 30 minutes with her are really 30 minutes. Not just with me but with all other men as well. She usually doesn't stay alone for more than 5-10 minutes. And then returns about 30 minutes later.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2325130]The Aileen he means, has black hair, often pony tail, full lips, not tall, slim, big silicone with a sweet ass. She has not worked I a very long while and rumor has it, she is unlikely to return to Artemis. But who knows.[/QUOTE]If you're talking about the German Aileen as described above with exotic Middle Eastern looks then she was there a couple of Saturday's ago on 18 May. I also bumped into Even, the Romanian with the gorgeous pointy nipples on silicon tits. Had a great reunion fuck with Even as it's been about 1.5 years since I last saw her. She says she still tours Artemis but very infrequently now.

I went into Artemis with low expectations after a long time away but came away satisfied with the line up. Aside from Aileen and Even, there were a couple of blonde hotties that I would have liked to fuck also. One was from Ukraine and went by the name Milena. Anyone tried her?

Howie.

[QUOTE=Howie;2327489]If you're talking about the German Aileen as described above with exotic Middle Eastern looks then she was there a couple of Saturday's ago on 18 May. I also bumped into Even, the Romanian with the gorgeous pointy nipples on silicon tits. Had a great reunion fuck with Even as it's been about 1.5 years since I last saw her. She says she still tours Artemis but very infrequently now.

I went into Artemis with low expectations after a long time away but came away satisfied with the line up. Aside from Aileen and Even, there were a couple of blonde hotties that I would have liked to fuck also. One was from Ukraine and went by the name Milena. Anyone tried her?

Howie.[/QUOTE]Aileen does not have a middle eastern look, so it is not this one. Evan is very nice and is very frequently in Artemis, but if you kike her then you have a good room. Milena is not my cup of tea, assuming I understood correctly who you meant.

If the long time Aileen was there, I would know as she is very nice for me as well.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2327366]Last time 30 minutes was 30 minutes, yes. But not many clubs can guarantee that. Artemis can't. But, (I picked this up from another board) management has instructed girls to provide better service. Comparing it to Globe might be a good thing to do. I only got to their doorstep and then turned away as I did not get a free ticket on my birthday as it was my first time there. But just remember that one hour with paying extra is 160 euro and in Globe that is more expensive. Getting a (good) kisser in Artemis might be a stretch. But I am curious how you like it. Please report. The Line-up for sure was good a few weeks ago. One tip. Enter the bar area, walk to the end of the bar. Turn left. At that spot there is a girl named Ginger. Ro. She doesn't take extras. She is not a very good provider (OK, but nothing special) but she is absolutely stunning. Fully naked, deep brown colour, long brown hair. She is friendly. Take her for half an hour. Her beauty is enough. I had her a few months ago. Did not repeat as the other options were so much better regarding the services provided. But 30 minutes with her are really 30 minutes. Not just with me but with all other men as well. She usually doesn't stay alone for more than 5-10 minutes. And then returns about 30 minutes later.[/QUOTE]I began my FKK mongering in FKK Artemis back in year 2009. It was my favorite club till 2015, then I had to switch club to nrw due to Artemis declined line up and extreme upsell. It is good to hear that management did tell girls to provide better service because in 2015, it was so bad.

Now, Artemis always has been upsell club, and I do emphasize that I do not mind mild upsell if service is provided like in globe Zurich because you end up paying similar price range with upsell.

I am going back in end of summer, so I will see how the line up are and how service improved in exchange for upsell.

I know my way around in Artemis, so it will be quite exciting re visit with I guess mostly new girls to me because I have not been there for 4 years now. Well I hope I do not see old girls still remain in Artemis since my last visit LOL.

Amy is there, I saw her last week, didn't sessioned with her unfortunately.

Aileen is also there, I had a great threesome with her and Delara (DE / TUR), great session with all the goodies, recommended.

Artemis is expensive but still great fun!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2326736]Artemis now is like in the old days. [/QUOTE]That's not really possible for many reasons.

Artemis is an awesome place if you don't want any interaction with a girl and it's all about sticking your dick in a hole.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2327577]Aileen does not have a middle eastern look, so it is not this one. Evan is very nice and is very frequently in Artemis, but if you kike her then you have a good room. Milena is not my cup of tea, assuming I understood correctly who you meant.

If the long time Aileen was there, I would know as she is very nice for me as well.[/QUOTE]My bad. I normally associate Turkish with the Middle East. She is German but of Turkish descent hence that exotic look. Anyways she was definitely there two weeks ago for her fans out there.

Howie.

[QUOTE=Riina;2328173]That's not really possible for many reasons.

Artemis is an awesome place if you don't want any interaction with a girl and it's all about sticking your dick in a hole.[/QUOTE]If upsell is too extreme, then it is wise to go for 60 euro 30 min sticking your dick in a hole hardcore then out of door session.

[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2327028], a Danny from the office with his soft Piston is enough.[/QUOTE]Pistons are never soft. What do you know about engines anyway?

[QUOTE=Riina;2328173]That's not really possible for many reasons.Artemis is an awesome place if you don't want any interaction with a girl and it's all about sticking your dick in a hole.[/QUOTE]On all boards on all clubs mongers have been complaining about the minimal interaction with girls. Most of them want to tell us that the girls do not engage in conversation or even foreplay in the bar. That has not changed all that much since I went to Artemis for the first time in 2012. Some girls do not talk at all, some speak one or two sentences. Some talk a bit more but never more than 5 minutes, unless you repeat more often with the girl. Last time it lasted about 5 minutes with a first-timer. So, also in this respect Artemis was like in the old days. And if you really want to talk to a girl while she could go to a room with somebody else and earn money the solution is very simple: pay her for the conversation time. I never did this but I do know of an inexperienced guy who did so and had the time of his life afterwards in the room. Just be creative.

Hey,

I land in Berlin on Friday evening around 9 pm. I have a room booked for Saturday morning 7 am onwards. I wanted to save 100 euros by just leaving my luggage at Artemis and spending the night and early morning there. Does it make sense, this option?

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2329591]Hey,

I land in Berlin on Friday evening around 9 pm. I have a room booked for Saturday morning 7 am onwards. I wanted to save 100 euros by just leaving my luggage at Artemis and spending the night and early morning there. Does it make sense, this option?[/QUOTE]You can leave luggage at reception at Artemis for free. And it is big club so there are places you can chill like down stairs bar by the indoor pool, there are sofas there and you tend to get less approached by girls there. If your flight is at 7 am, it does make sense to stay at club over night, the club is big enough to chill from 9 pm till early morning.

[QUOTE=JblFlip69;2329591]Hey,

I land in Berlin on Friday evening around 9 pm. I have a room booked for Saturday morning 7 am onwards. I wanted to save 100 euros by just leaving my luggage at Artemis and spending the night and early morning there. Does it make sense, this option?[/QUOTE]You are able to check in at 7 am? That's a generous hotel.

Staying at Artemis to 5 am Is not a nice way to spend the night. Busy club with loads of drunk guys.

I am planning to visit Artemis at the end of August. What are the prices for the girls and the services? All I can find is the 80 eur entrance fee.

[QUOTE=Pettxtfy;2330416]I am planning to visit Artemis at the end of August. What are the prices for the girls and the services? All I can find is the 80 eur entrance fee.[/QUOTE]Then you didn't look too well. But anyway, each half hour with a girl will cost you 60 euro. That is standard price and girls will stick to it. But they will only give you standard service for the standard price: CBJ and CFS. If you want more than that, you can do two things. 1. Ask her for the price for extras. 2. Ask all the girls in Artemis if they will give you extra for free. Maybe you can find one and write about her. Many guys on this forum will love you. Being realistic it is far more sensible to pay extra. Some ask 20 euro for kissing, 30 euro for BBBJ, 50 or 100 for anal. Some girls will not perform any of the extras. Especially the true beauties as they will get customers anyway. Very few will do anal. COF and all these kind of frivolous things might mean extra money. Try to make good arrangements in the bar about what she will do and for how long. You don't want to pay 20 euro for 3 small kisses. If she says it will cost extra but she says she wants to discuss details in the room, you can do that. (some girls are afraid for management kicking them out when they ask extra) But once in the room you must discuss these extras as a first thing. If you disagree then, you can still walk out with no problem. Once she blows your dick, you will have to pay. Another thing you might try is to book the girl for one hour and ask if extras are included. Sometimes they are, but often they are not. Then you might pay: 60 + 60 + 30 + 20 = 170 for one hour with kissing and BBBJ. The good ones might even ask more and ask the same 170 but not kiss you. Take your pick. A bit of an elaborate answer but well, then things are clear (er).

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2330985]Then you didn't look too well. But anyway, each half hour with a girl will cost you 60 euro. That is standard price and girls will stick to it. But they will only give you standard service for the standard price: CBJ and CFS. If you want more than that, you can do two things. 1. Ask her for the price for extras. 2. Ask all the girls in Artemis if they will give you extra for free. Maybe you can find one and write about her. Many guys on this forum will love you. Being realistic it is far more sensible to pay extra. Some ask 20 euro for kissing, 30 euro for BBBJ, 50 or 100 for anal. Some girls will not perform any of the extras. Especially the true beauties as they will get customers anyway. Very few will do anal. COF and all these kind of frivolous things might mean extra money. Try to make good arrangements in the bar about what she will do and for how long. You don't want to pay 20 euro for 3 small kisses. If she says it will cost extra but she says she wants to discuss details in the room, you can do that. (some girls are afraid for management kicking them out when they ask extra) But once in the room you must discuss these extras as a first thing. If you disagree then, you can still walk out with no problem. Once she blows your dick, you will have to pay. Another thing you might try is to book the girl for one hour and ask if extras are included. Sometimes they are, but often they are not. Then you might pay: 60 + 60 + 30 + 20 = 170 for one hour with kissing and BBBJ. The good ones might even ask more and ask the same 170 but not kiss you. Take your pick. A bit of an elaborate answer but well, then things are clear (er).[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write this out. I still find with so many reports, it's really nice to have someone put it all in one place and to be clear on the entire process. I found the comment on anal especially helpful to set my expectations for a visit.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2330985]Some ask 20 euro for kissing, 30 euro for BBBJ, 50 or 100 for anal. (...) Very few will do anal. COF and all these kind of frivolous things might mean extra money.[/QUOTE]Some corrections:

1) Anal is 100 Euro. You won't get it for 50.

2) There are quite a lot of girls willing to do anal.

3) COF mean extra money for sure (probably +50 Euro).

Best, Karat.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2330985]Then you didn't look too well. But anyway, each half hour with a girl will cost you 60 euro. That is standard price and girls will stick to it. But they will only give you standard service for the standard price: CBJ and CFS. If you want more than that, you can do two things. 1. Ask her for the price for extras. 2. Ask all the girls in Artemis if they will give you extra for free. Maybe you can find one and write about her. Many guys on this forum will love you. Being realistic it is far more sensible to pay extra. Some ask 20 euro for kissing, 30 euro for BBBJ, 50 or 100 for anal. Some girls will not perform any of the extras. Especially the true beauties as they will get customers anyway. Very few will do anal. COF and all these kind of frivolous things might mean extra money. Try to make good arrangements in the bar about what she will do and for how long. You don't want to pay 20 euro for 3 small kisses. If she says it will cost extra but she says she wants to discuss details in the room, you can do that. (some girls are afraid for management kicking them out when they ask extra) But once in the room you must discuss these extras as a first thing. If you disagree then, you can still walk out with no problem. Once she blows your dick, you will have to pay. Another thing you might try is to book the girl for one hour and ask if extras are included. Sometimes they are, but often they are not. Then you might pay: 60 + 60 + 30 + 20 = 170 for one hour with kissing and BBBJ. The good ones might even ask more and ask the same 170 but not kiss you. Take your pick. A bit of an elaborate answer but well, then things are clear (er).[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a lot!

Looking forward to having fun there in August, also its my first time so any tips are welcome.

Is Artemis considered the place in Berlin with the best quality? Considering prices for extras would I be better off finding an escort or going to Artemis or somewhere else?

[QUOTE=Klaflare;2331452]Is Artemis considered the place in Berlin with the best quality? Considering prices for extras would I be better off finding an escort or going to Artemis or somewhere else?[/QUOTE]No -"Quality" good in many places. But quality depends on chemistry and also you; your choices, your behaviour, your mood at moment. Would try all - see longer Berlin thread comment.

It seems like Artemis has started to improve again. I was there last in 2016 and it was full of girls with silicone and tattoos. I've always liked the atmosphere around the bar though and the outdoor jacuzzi is fantastic in warm weather so I think I'll pay it a visit soon.

Any really top beauties?

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2329537]On all boards on all clubs mongers have been complaining about the minimal interaction with girls. Most of them want to tell us that the girls do not engage in conversation or even foreplay in the bar. That has not changed all that much since I went to Artemis for the first time in 2012. Some girls do not talk at all, some speak one or two sentences. Some talk a bit more but never more than 5 minutes, unless you repeat more often with the girl. Last time it lasted about 5 minutes with a first-timer. So, also in this respect Artemis was like in the old days. And if you really want to talk to a girl while she could go to a room with somebody else and earn money the solution is very simple: pay her for the conversation time. I never did this but I do know of an inexperienced guy who did so and had the time of his life afterwards in the room. Just be creative.[/QUOTE]Have done the same thing. Paid the girl for her time while talking and then had the time of my life. Sometimes it pays out (but not always).

This is part 4 (the last part) of my FKK tour (continued from Living Room, Golden Time, Dolce Vita).

This was my first time in Artemis and expectations were high. I knew I'd pay more than Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area clubs, but the was okay. It's Berlin after all.

It was easy to get to by S-Bahn, as the club is right by the train station. I arrived in the late afternoon on Thursday, and there were already quite a few girls (maybe 40-50 or more). It was a very good ratio too. The facilities were outstanding, though I did expect a more lavish food spread (see: 'World' in Geissen).

I immediately noticed two girl that would be my sessions for the night, in the main (smoking area) bar. The first was a white-blonde modelesque Latvian stunner called Mila. She had one of those "designer" bodies that never adds an ounce of fat, with long legs, high shoulders, perky be-cups, and every other advantage like thigh-gap. You name it. Her face was straight out of Bladerunner, with big icy-blue eyes and high cheekbones. She looked like so many Russian models but had the warmth of a Latvian. I knew she was rare even in FKK land, and was only working for that week (she'd be gone by Saturday). I quickly offered her "the works" for 170 Euro. An hour including DATY / DATO and COF. It was worth every cent of course, as her body just wouldn't quit, and neither did she. While the BJ was covered (it would have been 50 extra otherwise) she was still incredible at it. She rode me in CG and did all the work. When I went down on her, she came while sitting on my face with probably the least amount of physical pressure I ever had to apply to a girl's loins. She just loved sex and it was easy to see. She even loved talking about sex and trading funny sex stories during it. We did a little DATO from behind, to her incredible ass, and went at it again. It was an unbelievable session, and my only advice is. If you're in Artemis, look out for her. If she happens to be around, grab her. She will easily stand out. She smokes thin cigarettes and her whitish-blonde hair is cut in the short "helmet style".

Yet somehow, my next session was even better, with a girl that became my first-ever repeat in FKK land. She was a German beauty named Lilia, with a gorgeous face and thick, natural the-cups to dream of. She had a dancer's body with amazing skin, and just a few tattoos. She's a natural blonde and wears her hair in a tight ponytail. She hangs out in the far corner of the main bar, and is fairly shy. She also comes and goes, working just a few days at a time, but is really worth looking out for.

The combination of her face and body (tits, ass, and skin) was just too much. She's the closest thing I've seen in the mongering world to Lydia Pirelli (look her up!) and had a friendly attitude to match. I agreed to a 160 Euro session with anal, DATY and DATO, and overall GFE sex. It was insane. We did all that and more, and I asked her to talk dirty in German while finishing in her in anal-mish. She made my porn-dreams come true with great spirit and generosity. FKK club or not, it was some of the best sex I had in this life.

That's why I repeated with her when I went back again on Saturday. We did a 170 Euro 1 HR session with COF to change things up. More unreal DATY / DATO with her incredible body. Uncovered BJ to a great COF. Then we chilled and chatted in a true GFE session that I would have been happy to continue all night. She was one of a kind.

I wrapped it all up with a Moldovan hottie wearing librarian glasses called Lydia. She had curly blonde hair in a high ponytail, and one the most even tans and slender bodies in the club. She was tat-free and completely natural (perky A-be cups). She spoke five languages, and was chatty and pleasant even on the way up to the room. The best part of her body was her ass and hips. It was this perfectly round ass and womanly hips you rarely see on such an otherwise slim and narrow body. It was made for doggy-style, and when she offered anal I couldn't pass it up. We agreed on 160 euro including DATY and anal and went to town, staring with a sensational 69. Her lovely ass spread above me in that position was a sight to masturbate to alone. We went at it in various missionary poses, to get an eyeful from the mirrors. Then came the promised-land doggie with anal, including some dirty talk. It was unreal, and looked better than any porno (other than the condom of course), and ended with a long and gratifying finish. We kept chatting for another 10 minutes, as she was very friendly and in no hurry to leave the room.

It was a great capper to an 8-day run through Living Room, (horrible) Golden time, Dolce Vita, and Artemis times two. A total of 7 sessions with 6 different girls, mostly expensive upgrades with extras (which I actually prefer). I don't get to go to FKKs often, so I generally try to go for the very best experiences. This time certainly didn't disappoint.

[QUOTE=JunkJock;2335964]This is part 4 (the last part) of my FKK tour (continued from Living Room, Golden Time, Dolce Vita).

This was my first time in Artemis and expectations were high. I knew I'd pay more than Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area clubs, but the was okay. It's Berlin after all.

It was easy to get to by S-Bahn, as the club is right by the train station. I arrived in the late afternoon on Thursday, and there were already quite a few girls (maybe 40-50 or more). It was a very good ratio too. The facilities were outstanding, though I did expect a more lavish food spread (see: 'World' in Geissen).

I immediately noticed two girl that would be my sessions for the night, in the main (smoking area) bar. The first was a white-blonde modelesque Latvian stunner called Mila. She had one of those "designer" bodies that never adds an ounce of fat, with long legs, high shoulders, perky be-cups, and every other advantage like thigh-gap. You name it. Her face was straight out of Bladerunner, with big icy-blue eyes and high cheekbones. She looked like so many Russian models but had the warmth of a Latvian..[/QUOTE]Great report! Both these girls sound amazing. Looks like Artemis is starting to improve again judging by the spate of recent positive reports.

Was the outside jacuzzi and pool open too?

[QUOTE=JunkJock;2335964]This is part 4 (the last part) of my FKK tour (continued from Living Room, Golden Time, Dolce Vita).

This was my first time in Artemis and expectations were high. I knew I'd pay more than Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area clubs, but the was okay. It's Berlin after all.[/QUOTE]So it sound like Artemis I used to know is back with good stunner level beauty casting. It once became the place for older plastic surgery over tattoo girls with no young stunner in lineup.

As usual, there seems to be mild upsell, but if the service is provided, then it is worth the money and as long as 30 min is 30 min and one hour is one hour it is fine.

Thanks for the confident report man, I am looking forward to going back after all these years in late summer. I hope lineup will be good as reported then.

Hi guys!

First time poster and first time FKK visitor.

I have read a lot about price-settings in this thread and thank you very much for all information.

I know I should negotiate services before sticking my dick in any holes but can we once and for all determine the "right" price-level for this service. And this service only. I understand that price can vary with a couple of euros, but I don't want to get ripped and I want to make sure I bring the right amount of money with me. Not much more, absolutely not less.

So here we go, I want:

30 min session.

All positions I like (standard mish, doggy, reverse CG and so on. Nothing extra ordinary).

BBBJ.

One shot.

Good bye.

Thank you in advance, I really appreciate everyone that post here and I will return my appreciation with a report back of my trip.

UL.

[QUOTE=JunkJock;2335964]Yet somehow, my next session was even better, with a girl that became my first-ever repeat in FKK land. She was a German beauty named Lilia, with a gorgeous face and thick, natural the-cups to dream of. She had a dancer's body with amazing skin, and just a few tattoos. She's a natural blonde and wears her hair in a tight ponytail. She hangs out in the far corner of the main bar, and is fairly shy. She also comes and goes, working just a few days at a time, but is really worth looking out for.

The combination of her face and body (tits, ass, and skin) was just too much. She's the closest thing I've seen in the mongering world to Lydia Pirelli (look her up!) and had a friendly attitude to match. I agreed to a 160 Euro session with anal, DATY and DATO, and overall GFE sex. It was insane. We did all that and more, and I asked her to talk dirty in German while finishing in her in anal-mish. She made my porn-dreams come true with great spirit and generosity. FKK club or not, it was some of the best sex I had in this life.

That's why I repeated with her when I went back again on Saturday. We did a 170 Euro 1 HR session with COF to change things up. More unreal DATY / DATO with her incredible body. Uncovered BJ to a great COF. Then we chilled and chatted in a true GFE session that I would have been happy to continue all night. She was one of a kind.[/QUOTE]Ah yes! Lilia! One of my absolute favorites of all time! Glad you got to enjoy her! Me too! Multiple repeats LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2336195]So it sound like Artemis I used to know is back with good stunner level beauty casting. It once became the place for older plastic surgery over tattoo girls with no young stunner in lineup.

As usual, there seems to be mild upsell, but if the service is provided, then it is worth the money and as long as 30 min is 30 min and one hour is one hour it is fine.

Thanks for the confident report man, I am looking forward to going back after all these years in late summer. I hope lineup will be good as reported then.[/QUOTE]Mr. Ho. I'd still temper my expectations, as there is still quite a bit of "silicone city ugly", and you have to sift through quite a few dark corners of the club. It's certainly not Frankfurt in 2013, or even Frankfurt now (But the service and length of time didn't suffer, and there are gems to be found.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2336068]Great report! Both these girls sound amazing. Looks like Artemis is starting to improve again judging by the spate of recent positive reports.

Was the outside jacuzzi and pool open too?[/QUOTE]Yes, all the jaccuzis and facilities were open. I really did enjoy the downstairs indoor pool the most, for post-sauna relaxation.

I really searched around for these girls, and my instincts are pretty honed now in terms of finding diamonds in the rough. It wasn't easy, but can be done!

[QUOTE=UnfaithfulLord;2336302]So here we go, I want:
30 min session.
All positions I like (standard mish, doggy, reverse CG and so on. Nothing extra ordinary).
BBBJ.
One shot.[/QUOTE]The half hour would cost you 60 euro. The BBBJ will vary from 30 to 50 euro. But a girl is free to ask what she wants. So beware. I think a far bigger problem for you is not to become a victim of a shark. That is a girl who doesn't provide services but knows her way to get your money. I tell you that especially as you want really a lot of positions in one hour. I doubt whether a girl would like that. I advise you to go for one hour (120) and pay 50 extra. If you really only want half an hour then you could ask for 15 minutes BBBJ and 15 minutes of intimate sex. But that is only a second option.

JunkJock just wrote an awesome story. Girls change a lot in Artemis, but if you arrive in short time, you should note their names (from JunkJock's strory) and look out for them. Also Amy. De might be a good option if she is around.

If you run out of money there is two options. You can take 200 euros from the ATM near the reception in Artemis (I couldn't get more than that in December 2015). You can also leave Artemis and tell reception you will come back. They then will let you sign a list with your locker number (remember the number). Just go straight to Halensee S-bahn station (turn left on the busy road) and look for an ATM with Google maps. The closest one is around there. Upon your return to Artemis you must sign the list again and get your locker back. My debit card only lets me do one money retrieval in Germany and Austria per day. Used to be different but it changed a year ago or so. Maybe not the same for everyone.

[QUOTE=UnfaithfulLord;2336302]Thank you in advance, I really appreciate everyone that post here and I will return my appreciation with a report back of my trip.
UL.[/QUOTE]Please live up to that.

UnfaithfulLord.

The answer for your question is €110.

You are most likely going to pay €50 extra for BBBJ if you are extremely lucky you can get away with €60.

Many thanks for the quick and friendly responses!

Regarding 1 h sessions I would rather meet more girls when I am still there (I have 8 hours in total on me), that's why I think I would go for 30 min sess.

I am not afraid of the sharks and know how to handle them since I have been fucking around a lot in eastern Europe, mostly Prague, and I know the drill pretty well. But thanks again for the friendly heads up!

Anyhow, because I have a wife I have to plan my withdrawal money well. L think it will look like this:

€110 x 5 sess.

€80 entrance.

€70 unforeseen.

= €700.

Looking forward to get back with a report. The flight time is the weekend after this.

UL.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2336604]You are most likely going to pay 50 extra for BBBJ if you are extremely lucky you can get away with 60.[/QUOTE]Again, you guys just feeding the beast if you overpay. Paying also to chat up front is absurd. You can have [I]all[/I] basics if you wish for 60 for 30 min. Just stand your ground, be patient and pleasant. Don't be afraid to haggle slightly, politely, or eventually to say no and walk. There are enough reasonable choices: recommend Bella (light skin, blond CUB), Sheenya (dark haired, RO) but there are others. JunkJoc prices in effect 60/30 so 1 hr 120 plus 50 anal - reasonable. YMMV, depends on chemistry, how charming you are, partly also how busy day or time is, and mood. If girl has been waiting a long time for no result, she is flexible.

All this overpaying ruining it for everyone. Must admire the girls' cunning to get away with this. If you are still attracted to sharks, your choice. But there is alternative: negotiate better or remember there are 3000 girls in Berlin working in apartment bordellos or independents who charge 120-140 for a GFE hour. Some even 5 minute walk from Artemis: see Salon Prestige at Halensee / Kurfurstendamm.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2336785]There are enough reasonable choices: recommend Bella (light skin, blond CUB), Sheenya (dark haired, RO) but there are others.[/QUOTE]I know Bella with black hair. Has she recently gone blonde? And is that better or worse for her? Nice girl for sure, although her looks was something peculiar. Sometimes she was sexy as hell, while other times it was something a little over the top about it. She usually did have a great style of lingerie though!

At Nooky Ninja.

I have tried to not pay for extra. I missed out a lot after I saw reports here about certain girls. I have tried to find girls that will kiss me for free. On several days (from 12 am to 12 pm) I could not find even one. I have tried other options like brothels that you suggest. I found out that sometimes they are not really good at all and all I wanted was to leave. Sometimes I started longing for Artemis. The other options may have their advantages but I haven't found them. In the end I went to Artemis anyway and paid much more money then a simple visit to Artemis.

So what is wrong with having a good time and paying a bit more. Yes, I fuck less but have the same quality as a few years ago.

[QUOTE=JunkJock;2336575]Mr. Ho. I'd still temper my expectations, as there is still quite a bit of "silicone city ugly", and you have to sift through quite a few dark corners of the club. It's certainly not Frankfurt in 2013, or even Frankfurt now (But the service and length of time didn't suffer, and there are gems to be found.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks man!

Yeah, it is like this every club, you have to wait and search through and find the beautiful diamond girl in the pool full of older plastic silicone tattoo girls that we do not want.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2336860]I know Bella with black hair. Has she recently gone blonde? Nice girl for sure, although her looks was something peculiar.[/QUOTE]B always blond, busty Cuban-La Am, mid 30's quite beautiful MILF, very sweet friendly, never any BS or up-selling. You thinking of different girl.

@DioRetz: nothing "wrong": it is your choice. Just think there are plenty of affordable options both in A and outside. Can only say eg vanKampen and SexintheCiti have some spectacular alternatives. But all chemistry so impossible to predict how it will be for you. Good luck.

[QUOTE=UnfaithfulLord;2336711]Many thanks for the quick and friendly responses!

Regarding 1 h sessions I would rather meet more girls when I am still there (I have 8 hours in total on me), that's why I think I would go for 30 min sess.

I am not afraid of the sharks and know how to handle them since I have been fucking around a lot in eastern Europe, mostly Prague, and I know the drill pretty well. But thanks again for the friendly heads up!

Anyhow, because I have a wife I have to plan my withdrawal money well. L think it will look like this:

110 x 5 sess.

80 entrance.

70 unforeseen.

= 700.

Looking forward to get back with a report. The flight time is the weekend after this.

UL.[/QUOTE]I will be in Artemis on Saturday evening / night on 29th. I'm from Russia. We can chat a bit inside if you want).

For once I have to agree with nooky. Paying extra for better service is stupid. This just means that sessions are getting more and more expensive and girls giving poor service if they do not get a tip.

Paying extra for extras is fine of course, like CIM / COF / etc. But that is another thing.

And BTW I never pay more than 30 for OWO, and neither should anyone.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2337149]B always blond, busty Cuban-La Am, mid 30's quite beautiful MILF, very sweet friendly, never any BS or up-selling. You thinking of different girl.[/QUOTE]Indeed I do. Must be 2 Bella's at Artemis. The one I know is certainly Romanian. Mid 20's now. Been there probably 4+ years. Started fairly young.

I totally agree with you Nooky and PBM, I simply answered what the session was likely to cost him. Lets face it if you don't 'know' the girl from before you almost certainly will be asked to pay extra for everything at Artemis nowadays!! As Nooky point out you always have the option to stand your ground and refuse to pay for imaginary extras such as BBBJ, DATY, Kissing etc. And IMO you should, but I also understand if you see your 'dream girl' and don't care if you pay €50 extra for her company.

Myself are lucky enough to 'know' many girls at Artemis for years back and have a good relation with most of them, and don't have to pay these crazy rates. Problem is when you want to be with a new girl, in the last few visits I have made at Artemis I haven't been able to find girls who doesn't want extras for more or less everything apart from Jordan (Ger) don't know if she is still working at the club? Maybe I am not as good as Nooky finding the odd one. Think we can agree that Artemis is a frustrating place, to start a session with haggling about money have never ended happy for me.

I stopped going to Artemis winter 2014. After that I have made my sex holidays to Dusseldorf and Frankfurt areas instead.

Is Artemis still good? Berlin is a nice city, but girls are the most important thing to me when I travel abroad.

[QUOTE=Guy93;2337603][b]Is Artemis that bad?[/b]
I stopped going to Artemis winter 2014. After that I have made my sex holidays to Dusseldorf and Frankfurt areas instead. Is Artemis still good? [/QUOTE]So you ask is it that bad, and is it still good? That may sum it up.

Ninja hope this will not set off the usual whining and comparing to all the "great" service in NRW or Hessen etc. Artemis is what it is and has its good and bad points. If you find some chemistry with a girl, it can be great; if not, it can suck. Have left after cheap, multiple great sessions and have also left un-gepopped. Ninja have same experiences everywhere - Palace, Golden Time, Mainhattan, Oase, Sharks, World, Olympic Stadium, Koeln Hauptbahnhof, DM drugstore, Commerzbank, Reichelt supermarkt. Is Artemis as good as say 2009-2015. No. All FKKs have suffered a bit. Whole scene just more tense since registration required and the legal changes give opportunities for silly prices, if you fall for it.

Really all FKKs are not so different; Girls come and go. On a particular day, it is up to you what you make of it. And honestly, there is a fair bit of luck involved. Many pieces on the board, moving around in unpredictable ways.

Apart from culture of Berlin as a city, numerous private bordellos in Berlin still better value on pure sex level. But you can't hang there all day, eat, drink, swim, take jacuzzi and sauna, and marvel or not at the scene. Place is still busy all weekends, and not filled (completely) with millionaires, so it is doing something right.

Artemis is what it is-mega brothel based on throughput and multiple pops. It has a different vibe Sun-Wed vs Thurs-Sat, and summer vs rest of year, like most FKKs. It can be nevertheless great. It can also suck. Depends on how things go down, with you when you are there. Just need to keep level head, keep expectations modest, take it slow, negotiate to get reasonable session.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2337657], Commerzbank, [/QUOTE]Really? I never left Commerzbank without a proper fuck! Too bad it was always me getting it!

[QUOTE=Guy93;2337603]I stopped going to Artemis winter 2014. After that I have made my sex holidays to Dusseldorf and Frankfurt areas instead.

Is Artemis still good? Berlin is a nice city, but girls are the most important thing to me when I travel abroad.[/QUOTE]Same with me, I stop going in 2015 due to decline in young beautiful girls in Artemis. I also changed to Hessen and nrw region clubs.

Artemis became club for mostly older plastic surgery tattoo girls club with extreme upsell was the reason why I stopped going to Artemis in 2015.

I cannot say for recent lineup since I have not been there since 2015, but report here looks quite good and I hope management managed to put in few younger beautiful girls in line up by now.

I am going there in late summer, so I hope line up will be good like it used to be in early 2010's.

Nobody want old plastic tattooed up girls.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2337850]Nobody want old plastic tattooed up girls.[/QUOTE]Some guys do want them, because these girls are almost always there.

And, actually almost every young and beautiful girl also have some tattoos, in Artemis as in the ordinary society. I don't like it but there is nothing I can do about it, just have to accept it and fuck them anyway.

Anybody seen Turkish Elnara lately? Met her in March. Miss her.

Rather tall 170, brunette, Big brown eyes, tattoos on on right leg but no more. 26 years.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2336495]Ah yes! Lilia! One of my absolute favorites of all time! Glad you got to enjoy her! Me too! Multiple repeats LOL![/QUOTE]That's awesome that you got her multiple times! I swear that 50 years from now when my memory is fuzzy, I may think she'd been a girlfriend of mine rather than an FKK girl.

Had a few days in Berlin with eight friends over the weekend. We had two visits at Artemis (Thursday & Saturday) I myself has been here on more visits than I can count almost, and a few of them have been at Artemis before. None of us could find a girl who gave BBBJ without extra!! Well if you knew the girl from before, yes then it's not a problem. But with all girls you don't know, they simply refuse without extra payment.

Lara a German girl said she had trouble taking my friends penis in her pussy, or shall I say refused it because it hurt her. Ok if it's not possible, but after that tried to make him buy anal and BBBJ! If her pussy hurts then I guess it would be almost impossible to fit it in her pussy?! My friend is a newbie but I would have taken her to reception, probably will still be forced to pay her €60 but at least management know about her sub standard service. Greedy little that one.

Lineup were not very good to be honest, I usually visit Sunday to Tuesday and IMO the lineup use to be good on those days in the past at least. There were not more women these days but on Saturday around midnight there must have been over 300 men present. Seen maximum 15 girls in the main lounge (my god so much smoke) and more than 150 men in there, and about 15 more men standing by the stair. Full of men downstairs and at the outside area as well. It became better by 2 am but I don't think I will ever visit on a Saturday night again. It was ridiculous with a ratio that bad, and with hardly any stunners at all. I would even say that dayshift had more options than nightshift this weekend. Outside area is a big plus at Artemis when it's hot outside.

Conclusion is if BBBJ is important as it is for me then 1 hour at Artemis is €170 with all of the attractive women. I have said it before and I say it again. I will not go to Berlin anymore just for Artemis, I much rather visit Spain where you have all services included for less money, with IMO more beautiful women. (I prefer Latinas over white women).

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2339474]Had a few days in Berlin with eight friends over the weekend. We had two visits at Artemis (Thursday & Saturday) I myself has been here on more visits than I can count almost, and a few of them have been at Artemis before. None of us could find a girl who gave BBBJ without extra!! Well if you knew the girl from before, yes then it's not a problem. But with all girls you don't know, they simply refuse without extra payment.

Lara a German girl said she had trouble taking my friends penis in her pussy, or shall I say refused it because it hurt her. Ok if it's not possible, but after that tried to make him buy anal and BBBJ! If her pussy hurts then I guess it would be almost impossible to fit it in her pussy?! My friend is a newbie but I would have taken her to reception, probably will still be forced to pay her 60 but at least management know about her sub standard service. Greedy little that one.

Lineup were not very good to be honest, I usually visit Sunday to Tuesday and IMO the lineup use to be good on those days in the past at least. There were not more women these days but on Saturday around midnight there must have been over 300 men present. Seen maximum 15 girls in the main lounge (my god so much smoke) and more than 150 men in there, and about 15 more men standing by the stair. Full of men downstairs and at the outside area as well..[/QUOTE]I don't think management really cares. They still make money from the 300 men at midnight. Artemis is over.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2339474]Had a few days in Berlin with eight friends over the weekend. We had two visits at Artemis (Thursday & Saturday) I myself has been here on more visits than I can count almost, and a few of them have been at Artemis before. None of us could find a girl who gave BBBJ without extra!! Well if you knew the girl from before, yes then it's not a problem. But with all girls you don't know, they simply refuse without extra payment.

Lara a German girl said she had trouble taking my friends penis in her pussy, or shall I say refused it because it hurt her. Ok if it's not possible, but after that tried to make him buy anal and BBBJ! If her pussy hurts then I guess it would be almost impossible to fit it in her pussy?! My friend is a newbie but I would have taken her to reception, probably will still be forced to pay her 60 but at least management know about her sub standard service. Greedy little that one..[/QUOTE]Die Lara iS terrible. First, she is not a pretty prostitute. She is old and bad silicone and always smell from cigarettes smoking in her mouth air. Greedy for so much money from all clients. All new girls are same. New Bulgarians, old Hungarians and new Germans. Also be careful German with good body, silicone titen and terrible and bad skin in her face with s all little pickels covet with make up. Old silicone grandmother Gia and her other twin silicone kollega also charge many money for bad service. So, maybe still the old Virginia will be nicer than all working grandmothers in Artemis FKK? I don't know what it us the management think. I also don't care. When I have business in Berlin I go Artemis especially now in the nice weather and I am the making like ninja nooky say, many times I l keep car at the parking in Artemis and I walk to the bordello close and pay less money, younger fresh prostitutes and less money. It is the win for me. Like this happy and not care management or expensive old grandmothers with silicone in Artemis. Thanks you Nooky the ninja.

Can only confirm what teddybear has written before.

Artemis in Berlin is worth a visit if you are new into FKK clubs.

The club itself is quite nice and also girls are numerous and most of them not ugly.

BUT: during the last 2-3 years, Artemis-girls have changed their price policy and are asking extra money for everything that is "not just standard".

This can be DFK, BBBJ (what was included the years before.).

I don't go to Artemis any more as it has become too expensive for me (or better, the value for money is no longer given).

When I'm in Berlin for business, I'm mostly hunting on [URL]kaufmich.com[/URL] and have a nice companionship in my hotel room.

[QUOTE=JimmyKII;2339625]Can only confirm what teddybear has written before.

Artemis in Berlin is worth a visit if you are new into FKK clubs.

The club itself is quite nice and also girls are numerous and most of them not ugly.

BUT: during the last 2-3 years, Artemis-girls have changed their price policy and are asking extra money for everything that is "not just standard".

This can be DFK, BBBJ (what was included the years before.).

I don't go to Artemis any more as it has become too expensive for me (or better, the value for money is no longer given).

When I'm in Berlin for business, I'm mostly hunting on [URL]kaufmich.com[/URL] and have a nice companionship in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]Agree, but also must mention girls that lie about the time or when you pay for half an hour make you out in 5-10 minutes. Happens all the time.

Colleagues,

My interest beyond the basic program of suck and fuck, is kissing. All girls rated above 5 asked for EUR 50 extra for kissing. Those that were 5 and lower were ready to kiss for no extra money. I would also assume that the latter do better in the room. At least in my case I had a 5 and a 2 that were very hot in the room.

It's a matter of supply and demand. Obviously the demand for the 5 and lower girls is lower, so in order to earn money and finance the EUR 80 they pay Artemis, they have to ask for lower price. In addition, as they session less and thus, are less tired, their service is better. So, my conclusion is that for the looks you can just watch the stunners and for the action and your pocket, select the others. Stunners are for watching, other are for touching.

[QUOTE=SanPedro;2339788]I had a 5 and a 2 that were very hot in the room.[/QUOTE]Both are big booty BBW Romanians.

# 5: Adina has very big natural tits and is usually sitting with a few friends on a sofa facing the stripper pole which is located in the space that is between the bar zone and the dining room. The sofa is laying on the border betwen the bar zone and the stripper pole space.

# 2: Darling is has medium-sized tits and wears glasses. She walks around and was hotter than Adina in the room.

Both were not busy as I could judge.

My second time in Artemis. Saturday was very busy. Many girls and many customers.

After relaxing at spa I went again with dream girl Gigi in the room. She is from Bulgaria. Long blond hair and natural breast. We stayed one hour. She gave me a nice time. I hope I see her again. Second session half hour was with two crazy beautiful girls. Claudia from Polen and Dilara from turkey. I know Dilara from last time she ask me if go with Claudia in the room. I said yes. It was my first experience with two girls and it was fantastic.

For me Artemis is the best club. I was in Frankfurt and cologne in some places. But the girls are not so nice like in Artemis.

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2340091]After relaxing at spa I went again with dream girl Gigi in the room. She is from Bulgaria. Long blond hair and natural breast. We stayed one hour. Second session half hour was with two crazy beautiful girls. Claudia from Polen and Dilara from turkey. It was my first experience with two girls and it was fantastic.[/QUOTE]Well Ninja have only 2 questions:

1. Do you think Artemis is the best club? and

2. We are still recovering from your April visit which expanded Euro money supply. The ECB calls this Project Apollo. So this time, how much did each of these little adventures cost you?

Heard Artemis girls are considering establishing their own digital currency, to be capitalised by their earnings but then mongers can invest; fickcoin.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2340203]Well Ninja have only 2 questions:

1. Do you think Artemis is the best club? and

2. We are still recovering from your April visit which expanded Euro money supply. The ECB calls this Project Apollo. So this time, how much did each of these little adventures cost you?

Heard Artemis girls are considering establishing their own digital currency, to be capitalised by their earnings but then mongers can invest; fickcoin.[/QUOTE]LOL why are you giving him a hard time if he had fun?

[QUOTE=Apollo12;2340091]My second time in Artemis. Saturday was very busy. Many girls and many customers.

After relaxing at spa I went again with dream girl Gigi in the room. She is from Bulgaria. Long blond hair and natural breast. We stayed one hour. She gave me a nice time. I hope I see her again. Second session half hour was with two crazy beautiful girls. Claudia from Polen and Dilara from turkey. I know Dilara from last time she ask me if go with Claudia in the room. I said yes. It was my first experience with two girls and it was fantastic.

For me Artemis is the best club. I was in Frankfurt and cologne in some places. But the girls are not so nice like in Artemis.[/QUOTE]Best club for those who like woman around 30+, veteran prostitute, sili, Botox, up selling, expensive entry ticket, I like young, fresh girls therefor not my best club at all, also a no go club for many German mongers.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2337850]Same with me, I stop going in 2015 due to decline in young beautiful girls in Artemis. I also changed to Hessen and nrw region clubs.

Artemis became club for mostly older plastic surgery tattoo girls club with extreme upsell was the reason why I stopped going to Artemis in 2015.

I cannot say for recent lineup since I have not been there since 2015, but report here looks quite good and I hope management managed to put in few younger beautiful girls in line up by now.

I am going there in late summer, so I hope line up will be good like it used to be in early 2010's.

Nobody want old plastic tattooed up girls.[/QUOTE]"Nobody want old plastic girls".

I don't LOL. Between that and the high entry fee, I think I'm going to remove Artemis from my travel plans too.

Do the escort agencies in Germany / Netherlands have more hot providers / stunners than the clubs.

[QUOTE=Ludacris775;2340501]"Nobody want old plastic girls".

I don't LOL. Between that and the high entry fee, I think I'm going to remove Artemis from my travel plans too.

Do the escort agencies in Germany / Netherlands have more young hot providers / stunners than the clubs.[/QUOTE]Artemis used to be the best club for me from year 2009 till 2014, but in 2015, I removed Artemis from my FKK club list to go for following reasons below:

1: Stunners level beautiful girls that were there in line up has all vanished and all remain was older plastic tattoo girls who are ugly.

2: Extreme upsell became radical and they ask money every little thing that add up to total cost more than globe Zurich.

3: Sometimes, even you pay extra, girls may give bad service in room.

4: Too much smoke in main bar, which was always there, but got too much combined with all above.

5: 30 min is more like 15 min or 20 min in room for girls in Artemis.

6: And all the cheap little tricks girls try to play on you made me tired of negotiating and cannot relax.

What I used to like at Artemis was few young beautiful girls who were really beautiful, there usually were 3 to 5 girls like that, but it was gone since around 2015, that made me stop going to Artemis plus upsell becoming extreme.

I am giving another try after few years because I got transit flight in late summer in Berlin. I hope the situation got improved.

[QUOTE=Ludacris775;2340501]"Nobody want old plastic girls".

I don't LOL. Between that and the high entry fee, I think I'm going to remove Artemis from my travel plans too.

Do the escort agencies in Germany / Netherlands have more young hot providers / stunners than the clubs.[/QUOTE]Never escort in NL but many times in the, yes more real students in escort, most of them are German, but you can not find any top model type mostly GFE, average face but some have great body and they are not overfucked like most of the top girls in the FKK.

[QUOTE=Ludacris775;2340501]Do the escort agencies in Germany..[/QUOTE]To my knowledge "hot" is best available at Samya, Cologne, after 7 pm.

In the Netherlands "hot" is available but it would be difficult to name a scene without extra info. That is, you can find those girls in RLD Amsterdam easily but foreigners keep making mistakes. I wrote quite a lot about that in the Amsterdam thread. Another option in the Netherlands is high end escorts but you will pay E. G. 1000 euro for 3 hours. And I only did that once and it was awful service, so. But hot she was.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2340612]Artemis used to be the best club for me from year 2009 till 2014, but in 2015, I removed Artemis from my FKK club list to go for following reasons below:

1: Stunners level beautiful girls that were there in line up has all vanished and all remain was older plastic tattoo girls who are ugly.

2: Extreme upsell became radical and they ask money every little thing that add up to total cost more than globe Zurich.

3: Sometimes, even you pay extra, girls may give bad service in room.

4: Too much smoke in main bar, which was always there, but got too much combined with all above.

5: 30 min is more like 15 min or 20 min in room for girls in Artemis.

6: And all the cheap little tricks girls try to play on you made me tired of negotiating and cannot relax..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

For me, I won't "just check out" Artemis this time. I'm flying into Amsterdam from the US and will be going to the Dusseldorf and Frankfurt clubs, for sure, but probably won't go to Berlin. Next time if I'm in Berlin I might. From 6 months lurking on this forum I've seen that's been the consensus about Artemis here, that the club is passed its prime.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2340819]To my knowledge "hot" is best available at Samya, Cologne, after 7 pm.

In the Netherlands "hot" is available but it would be difficult to name a scene without extra info. That is, you can find those girls in RLD Amsterdam easily but foreigners keep making mistakes. I wrote quite a lot about that in the Amsterdam thread. Another option in the Netherlands is high end escorts but you will pay E. G. 1000 euro for 3 hours. And I only did that once and it was awful service, so. But hot she was.[/QUOTE]"You can find hot girls in the Amsterdam RLD. Foreigners keep making mistakes".

What do you mean by "foreigners keep making mistakes"? What kind of mistakes? I don't quite understand what you are getting at.

I will be sure to check out all your Amsterdam escort and red light district reviews thanks for that info.

[QUOTE=Ludacris775;2340954]"You can find hot girls in the Amsterdam RLD. Foreigners keep making mistakes". What do you mean by "foreigners keep making mistakes"? What kind of mistakes? I don't quite understand what you are getting at. I will be sure to check out all your Amsterdam escort and red light district reviews thanks for that info.[/QUOTE]I have written a few times in the Amsterdam thread. I refer to those postings. You can easily find them. I am not going to repeat over and over again. Just search and RTFF.

1: Stunners level beautiful girls that were there in line up has all vanished and all remain was older plastic tattoo girls who are ugly.

True.

2: Extreme upsell became radical and they ask money every little thing that add up to total cost more than globe Zurich.

Globe has good service, but true about money.

3: Sometimes, even you pay extra, girls may give bad service in room.

Frequently.

4: Too much smoke in main bar, which was always there, but got too much combined with all above.

As always, worst is cigar smoke.

5: 30 min is more like 15 min or 20 min in room for girls in Artemis.

More like 7-10 minutes.

6: And all the cheap little tricks girls try to play on you made me tired of negotiating and cannot relax.

True.

What I used to like at Artemis was few young beautiful girls who were really beautiful, there usually were 3 to 5 girls like that, but it was gone since around 2015, that made me stop going to Artemis plus upsell becoming extreme.

Level of top 3 is much less the 75 percentile 5 years back.

All in all agreed. Artemis is a shameful club. All about money. Extremely sad situation.

Berlin desperately need a competitor club.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2341638]
Level of top 3 is much less the 75 percentile 5 years back.

All in all agreed. Artemis is a shameful club. All about money. Extremely sad situation.[/QUOTE]Agreed. What I miss from Artemis, I find in NRW. Good vibe and service, lower price, respectful and beautiful natural girls. As mentioned many times; Artemis desperately needs competition.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2341854]Agreed. What I miss from Artemis, I find in NRW. Good vibe and service, lower price, respectful and beautiful natural girls. As mentioned many times; Artemis desperately needs competition.[/QUOTE]A is the best club for low demanding mongers, ready to pay a lot for MILF woman, fake boobs, Botox. All the things I hate and I am not ready to pay for.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2341854]Agreed. What I miss from Artemis, I find in NRW. Good vibe and service, lower price, respectful and beautiful natural girls. As mentioned many times; Artemis desperately needs competition.[/QUOTE]Me as well. NRW almost exclusively in the last months.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2341970]Me as well. NRW almost exclusively in the last months.[/QUOTE]Noob question. What is this NRW people are mentioning? I've tried the search function as well as google but to no avail.

Check your google because the first link it gives me is correct: Nord Rhein Westphalia.

[QUOTE=HerrPuppetMaster;2342316]Noob question. What is this NRW people are mentioning? I've tried the search function as well as google but to no avail.[/QUOTE]NRW = Nirvana Republic of Women

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia[/URL]

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2342364]NRW = Nirvana Republic of Women

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia[/URL][/QUOTE]Haha, thanks Ninja & BigBuddy! I thought it referred to a specific club, rather than a region.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2341970]Me as well. NRW almost exclusively in the last months.[/QUOTE]What do you think the top clubs are in NRW. Sorry to post this in the Berlin section. Going back to Berlin and Artemis next month, but 'might' try a road trip for 48 hours.

I have been only for the first time in 2017. I was back in summer 2018. I will be back again this summer.

There were many ugly old sharks as you mentioned. Tattooed hustlers from eastern bloc and Turkish girls hustling.

I was still able to have fun by just avoiding those girls and avoiding the bar.

Last summer I had an amazing Latina that I ended up sessioning with twice.

An actual German girl from Berlin.

A nice Polish girl.

All young and (relatively) fresh.

They of course did do upsells for OV ohne etc.

What I hate is when they upsell for simple kissing not even zunge kissing.

I tell them Nevermind at that point.

Anyway two weeks from now I will have a report to offer!

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2342646]What do you think the top clubs are in NRW. Sorry to post this in the Berlin section. Going back to Berlin and Artemis next month, but 'might' try a road trip for 48 hours.[/QUOTE]Samya was great but also going down a lot in the recent months, NRW is not at he level of Hessen, with Shark, Oase and World. For me no more any reason to go there.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2341484]I have written a few times in the Amsterdam thread. I refer to those postings. You can easily find them. I am not going to repeat over and over again. Just search and RTFF.[/QUOTE]No problem, I easily found those posts and read them. No need for you to repeat anything. They were very informative about the mistakes a lot of tourists make in the RLD.

[QUOTE=BlueBudgie;2342716]I have been only for the first time in 2017. I was back in summer 2018. I will be back again this summer.

There were many ugly old sharks as you mentioned. Tattooed hustlers from eastern bloc and Turkish girls hustling.

I was still able to have fun by just avoiding those girls and avoiding the bar.

Last summer I had an amazing Latina that I ended up sessioning with twice.

An actual German girl from Berlin.

A nice Polish girl.

All young and (relatively) fresh.[/QUOTE]Before going to the room ask the girl to go with you outside under the sunshine, not sure you will not change your mind, extremely difficult to find a fresh and young girl, good luck.

[QUOTE=BlueBudgie;2342716]Artemis really so bad? [/QUOTE]I've had more than hundred visits at A and have experienced some spectacular moments. Back then I used to pay 50 for CIM. Never anal or lesbian shows for me. The first period of president Obama was a historically high peak for me.

Some weeks ago I visited a club near Dusseldorf:

Was greeted by a Dominican smiling girl with huge tits. Gave me a guided tour around the club, then gave me a towel and kept waiting for me while I was showering. On my way out of shower area, she grabbed my hand, removed the towel and gave me a girlfriend DFK while she caressed my cock. Then went down and performed a spectacular BBBJ until I was close to cum. She stopped and asked if I wanted a coffee or tea in the living room. My heart was beating fast, FAST! My reproductive organ wasn't able too sleep while I tried to drink the coffee. She sat with me and kissed my ears, and played with me until I pre-cummed a lot. She observed this and removed it with her right index finger, which she put in her mouth and swallowed. Note: during this initial 30 minutes, not once did she ask me to zimmer her. She actually offerd me to try the food; meatballs in tomato sauce, spaghetti, fresh bread with Jamon Iberico and salads. I thought no fucking meatballs now, I have to session her before madness destoys my body and soul.

1 hour session, lots of DFK (actually so much and extreme that I could barely breath). Body kissing, BBBJ, ball sucking and rimming. I was in paradise. Fucking in several positions, back to 69, more kissing and sucked me off in CIM. Then ended it with a nice back massage. Price: 80 E / 1 hour.

How does this sound to you?

These things sometimes happened to me at Artemis in 2009,2010 and 2011. But today, negotiate for LFK, BBBJ and massage? Many FFK visits makes a man hard to please.

You want to know which club? That would be 50 E for the info.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2342966]You want to know which club? That would be 50 E for the info.[/QUOTE]The purpose of the site is to share information. If you don't want to do that, then that's your prerogative. But then, you should just post nothing about it versus coming off as "I know something you don't".

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2342646]What do you think the top clubs are in NRW. Sorry to post this in the Berlin section. Going back to Berlin and Artemis next month, but 'might' try a road trip for 48 hours.[/QUOTE]Not enough reasearch done to answer your question. If you can survive without 9's and 10's, Living Room in Kaarst. Easy access from Dusseldorf HBh to IKEA Kaarst with S-bahn. Sky Saunaclub in Wuppertal is also underrated. Samya is ok but too many cocks per sqm and loud Turkish music.

Next and first visits: Dolce Vita, Magnum, Golden Time, Acapulco Gold, Bernds and Oceans. There are more clubs available too, some with shitty reviews, but I don't care, have to see them by myself.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2342975]Not enough reasearch done to answer your question. If you can survive without 9's and 10's, Living Room in Kaarst. Easy access from Dusseldorf HBh to IKEA Kaarst with S-bahn. Sky Saunaclub in Wuppertal is also underrated. Samya is ok but too many cocks per sqm and loud Turkish music.

Next and first visits: Dolce Vita, Magnum, Golden Time, Acapulco Gold, Bernds and Oceans. There are more clubs available too, some with shitty reviews, but I don't care, have to see them by myself.[/QUOTE]Wow I have a lot of 'research' to get through. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2342976]Wow I have a lot of 'research' to get through. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Lots of valuable info in the Reports of Distinction part:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2019-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL]

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2342975]Next and first visits: Dolce Vita, Magnum, Golden Time, Acapulco Gold, Bernds and Oceans. There are more clubs available too, some with shitty reviews, but I don't care, have to see them by myself.[/QUOTE]I would really suggest Acapulco over Acapulco Gold now that it reopened last weekend. And perhaps somewhere like Babylon or Sixsense is better than Bernds. As for Magnum type of club, Villa Vertigo (it has a new name I forgot) or PHG might have better girls for the day. Similar type of clubs, so lineups change a bit. Can be lucky anywhere in the clubs mentioned, but its a risk seeing lineups are smaller in average in nrw. Best have a car and backup plans if you are choosy. But entry fees can add up unless you are smart about checking for discounts.

[QUOTE=BlueBudgie;2342716]I have been only for the first time in 2017. I was back in summer 2018. I will be back again this summer.

There were many ugly old sharks as you mentioned. Tattooed hustlers from eastern bloc and Turkish girls hustling.

I was still able to have fun by just avoiding those girls and avoiding the bar.

Last summer I had an amazing Latina that I ended up sessioning with twice.

An actual German girl from Berlin.

A nice Polish girl.

All young and (relatively) fresh.[/QUOTE]I frequented Artemis from year 2009 till 2015. It used to be my favorite club because of following:

1: facility was big and good enough for me to stay all day and I can even work out. And plenty of escape place to just relax and chill away from girls. I used to enjoy laying on garden bed and watch stars / sky between sessions.

2: Line up was so diverse back then with about 2 to 5 stunner level girls in line up and new ones often get added each week or two, so each visit provided me few new stunner level beauty to fuck.

3: Food is not good, but I am not there for food and I often took in Turkish meal from outside. Also I met some nice guys there during meal for casual chats. I liked those meetings that you only meet then and gone forever. Memorable chats.

4: Upsell was always there, but all the best of best dirty service I got in FKK were in Artemis and palace. These tourist upsell club offer good service if you give into upsell that was reasonable enough.

5: Beside smokes, I love the set up of main bar where I can sit on sofa and look at girls walking in and of course stairway area where slot machine is with good lighting to see all the girls walking into main bar.

6: Good steam room separated from main building where you get away from it all. It is good if you stay long time.

However, in 2015. Somehow stunners in lineup vanished and it was left with mostly just older plastic monster girls with too much paints on their body. And upsell became just too extreme beginning to try to charge you for every little actions, I could negotiate and get what I want, but I got tired of dealing with the deal girls offer that only serve them. So I decided to move on to Hessen then to nrw.

I am returning in late summer this year to Artemis too. I hope it will be good visit.

Either way, I have so many good memories in Artemis that it is nostalgic for me just being there. Some stunner girls I sessioned with are long gone, but I will still see their shadows here and there when I will be in Artemis, this is something I like about FKK mongering, I am there for pure sex, but I do enjoy these nostalgic moments.

You meet these stunners that blow your mind, take her to upstairs, do most dirty first night of honeymoon sex, share some memorable moment that last inside your head eternally, go down stairs, pay reasonable amount, kiss and she is gone forever soon or later. Then on to the next stunner.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2343081]I would really suggest Acapulco over Acapulco Gold now that it reopened last weekend. And perhaps somewhere like Babylon or Sixsense is better than Bernds. As for Magnum type of club, Villa Vertigo (it has a new name I forgot) or PHG might have better girls for the day. Similar type of clubs, so lineups change a bit. Can be lucky anywhere in the clubs mentioned, but its a risk seeing lineups are smaller in average in nrw. Best have a car and backup plans if you are choosy. But entry fees can add up unless you are smart about checking for discounts.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Definitely on my list.

Mr Ho.

Only stunner that was left on my recent visit was Carrie (BUL) and even if I has been with her on several occasions over the years she is not GFE and upsells BBBJ and the younger pretty girls at Artemis I wouldn't call stunners, none of them are above 7/8 out of 10 in my book.

Visit Spain instead much better value and prettier girls imo.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2343443]Mr Ho.

Only stunner that was left on my recent visit was Carrie (BUL) and even if I has been with her on several occasions over the years she is not GFE and upsells BBBJ and the younger pretty girls at Artemis I wouldn't call stunners, none of them are above 7/8 out of 10 in my book.

Visit Spain instead much better value and prettier girls imo.[/QUOTE]OK, I got to go through Berlin for transit, so I might as well as hit my old fav. I will give out feed back like in late September. It is hit and miss, but I hope I will get lucky.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2343443]Mr Ho.

Only stunner that was left on my recent visit was Carrie (BUL) and even if I has been with her on several occasions over the years she is not GFE and upsells BBBJ and the younger pretty girls at Artemis I wouldn't call stunners, none of them are above 7/8 out of 10 in my book.

Visit Spain instead much better value and prettier girls imo.[/QUOTE]Carrie from Bulgaria works at least 7 years at Artemis. She is always grumpy. Upsells is an understatement. She used to be very pretty, but IMO not a stunner 9.5/10. Never passed 8. 5/10. But I also see most of the rest as 6/10, so my curve is lower anyway. 6 years ago Carrie had a good skin on the face. Now she is just old and wrinkled with layers of make up. Her behavior is absolutely terrible. But she is in good company at Artemis. I'm not negative just realistic, honestly.

Danny.

I agree what you are writing about Carrie, she was better looking when she was younger and I have seen her blow people off and rejecting customers is common for her. But for some reason she has always treated me very well and I have had many sessions with her over the years. I think she is very attractive, not seen many better looking girls at Artemis over the years but of course we all have different taste in women. But her service level is questionable as I pointed out she upsells BBBJ just as 98% of all girls at Artemis do. But her delightful little tight pussy is very tasteful, LOL.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2343489]Carrie from Bulgaria works at least 7 years at Artemis. She is always grumpy. Upsells is an understatement. She used to be very pretty, but IMO not a stunner 9.5/10. Never passed 8. 5/10. But I also see most of the rest as 6/10, so my curve is lower anyway. 6 years ago Carrie had a good skin on the face. Now she is just old and wrinkled with layers of make up. Her behavior is absolutely terrible. But she is in good company at Artemis. I'm not negative just realistic, honestly.[/QUOTE]True, her attitude can be a problem. I always wondered what the deal was. But her body is or at least was quite spectacular at its height. I think she started the same year as I visited Artemis first time also, 2012. And I saw her in the online lineup as early as February that year. Not sure about her skin, but I did like her hair the last time I saw her, and it seemed as if she had toned down the hatred a bit. Sometimes she could just click and almost scream out. I tried asking her something once, and she was busy talking to a friend of hers. So I patiently waited 10 sec. Apparently it was extremely rude of me to wait. Since I obviously was listening to what they were talking about. As if I even knew Bulgarian. And since then she hasn't gone with me, telling me no, LOL! Oh well, at least her friends always were in a great mood with me and excused her acts.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2343489]Carrie from Bulgaria works at least 7 years at Artemis. She is always grumpy. Upsells is an understatement. She used to be very pretty, but IMO not a stunner 9.5/10. Never passed 8. 5/10. But I also see most of the rest as 6/10, so my curve is lower anyway. 6 years ago Carrie had a good skin on the face. Now she is just old and wrinkled with layers of make up. Her behavior is absolutely terrible. But she is in good company at Artemis. I'm not negative just realistic, honestly.[/QUOTE]FKK make girls old fast. Smokes especially in case of Artemis, working hours that are insane, too much pussy and anal pounding on daily basis and stress it causes to their Hormones. Surgeries, money pressure, food, late night coffees girls drink mess with their adrenal gland and so on. I mean it is worst environment for young girls.

One odd thing I noticed. When girl come to FKK first, their waist line is thin and fit, but years of pounding. Their not waist fat, but I think their waist bones get wider and bit bigger. I realized this. I wonder if it is constant penis pounding into pussy somehow make their waist bones some how wider and ass bit bigger? It is not them gaining weight, it is more bone structure that changes.

Generally, girls are Artemis has good attitude outside room beside up sell, inside room is different story sometimes LOL but I have come across very few rude ones, well I got to say these girls are very stressed, so it does not justify their attitude, but it explain where that attitude comes from.

Some girls complain about business being low. I mean if they throw attitude, upsell extremely, act different once in room, all the cheap hustler tricks they try on you. I mean what do they expect.

I have much fond memories of girls in early 2010's, but in 2014 and 2015. Artemis was just terrible. 4 years of absent, I will see this year. At least give me beautiful girls line up, I just need 3 or 4 girls like stunner level, then I am happy monger.

I mean what is Kennan doing with all these rather fat older plastic tattoo girls? What we client want is young beautiful model look girls. Like once Artemis had few of.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2344142]One odd thing I noticed. When girl come to FKK first, their waist line is thin and fit, but years of pounding. Their not waist fat, but I think their waist bones get wider and bit bigger. I realized this. I wonder if it is constant penis pounding into pussy somehow make their waist bones some how wider and ass bit bigger? It is not them gaining weight, it is more bone structure that changes.[/QUOTE]This is one of the most funny things I have read, it made my day thanks buddy LOL.

Yes too much penis in their pussy makes their waist go wider and the bones softer. The more they get fucked the bigger ass they get LOL LOL.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2344379]This is one of the most funny things I have read, it made my day thanks buddy LOL.

Yes too much penis in their pussy makes their waist go wider and the bones softer. The more they get fucked the bigger ass they get LOL LOL.[/QUOTE]Well it make sense, it affect muscle and fat around their pussy and make them wider and kind of push waist bones to side ways making their ass and waist wider and bigger as they stay long time in FKK.

Any men here who are not characterised by too much talk and not enough walk? No? I know. Nevertheless I am asking.

Are curvy hookers around at the moment? Hookers who know how to shake on the floor what mama gave them? Hookers who are able to let them big tits bounce while their walk around? Hookers with curves like status symbols, wiggle wiggle, you know? No? I know.

I am talking here about real butts for men and not about slim young Mädchen ass. My bear hands need something to grab and not something they could hurt.

Are there hookers around screaming for more instead of starting to close their legs after 7 seconds because the rip-off business is wanted by consultant pimp?

Impotent pimp had his last erection back in the 80's as he saw for the first time what young slim Mädchen looks like under her Burka. Pimp don't like customers who enjoy penetrating his property.

Any hookers there who deserve to be called a hooker? Or only Mädchen who are doing what pimp is telling 24/7? No? I know.

In Artemis are hookers who believe they have a Hooker-ID because psycho pimp said so. You know? You know.

Germany has pretty crazy house rules for everyone. But only the not so cool dumb ones are following.

The Rest, needs to get rich, yearns for respect, but is still stateless.

Next time I spread some hate from the bottom of my heart for big time cheaters.

Empty promise, FKK Club syndrome.

You know.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2344042]Danny.

I agree what you are writing about Carrie, she was better looking when she was younger and I have seen her blow people off and rejecting customers is common for her. But for some reason she has always treated me very well and I have had many sessions with her over the years. I think she is very attractive, not seen many better looking girls at Artemis over the years but of course we all have different taste in women. But her service level is questionable as I pointed out she upsells BBBJ just as 98% of all girls at Artemis do. But her delightful little tight pussy is very tasteful, LOL.[/QUOTE]When did she start upselling BBBJ? She definitely didn't upsell 5 years ago.

Science says physical use of bones makes the bones thicker. So there could be some facts to it. But I personally think it is more related to how girls sit too much. Not trying to blame, nor claim that girls shouldn't be allowed to sit. But you find the exact same tendency at university. When they start university right after high school and they have done lots of team sports in high school, then at university they spend waaaaay too much time sitting and studying. So girls hips and waist gets a lot wider. After just 2 or 3 years of this sitting and studying phase, many girls goes from being a 9 to being a 7. University is thus the worst place for girls. LOL! I know this is so politically incorrect. But universities should definitely have gym classes! 5 times a week! I go to a university gym myself since it is the best gym in town, and I notice this all the time. And many girls are good at also working out. But problem is most girls fall off their gym memberships just 2 months into a new semester. And if they have a semester off without any gym, and then return, they instantly get wider hips. And the sitting is the key problem. I suppose Globe knows this, even how draconic it is. Gym just 3 times a week with especially some cardio for girls, and other light exercises for their butt would be more than enough. Then they could sit afterwards no problem. And it shouldn't be draconic. Smart girls should realize it would be for their own good.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2344607]When did she start upselling BBBJ? She definitely didn't upsell 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]After the new law regarding BBBJ.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2343146]I frequented Artemis from year 2009 till 2015. It used to be my favorite club
However, in 2015. Somehow stunners in lineup vanished and it was left with mostly just older plastic monster girls with too much paints on their body. And upsell became just too extreme beginning to try to charge you for every little actions, I could negotiate and get what I want, but I got tired of dealing with the deal girls offer that only serve them. So I decided to move on to Hessen then to nrw.

I am returning in late summer this year to Artemis too. I hope it will be good visit.

Either way, I have so many good memories in Artemis that it is nostalgic for me just being there. Some stunner girls I sessioned with are long gone, but I will still see their shadows here and there when I will be in Artemis[/QUOTE]I really enjoyed reading this post. Because it 100% reflects my own thoughts about this great club. It was my first FKK and I will never forget it. But I haven't been for over 2 years for exactly the same reasons. I am in Berlin next week and will head back to the club. I just hope the LU has improved so I can enjoy a great time again. I've never had a really bad night in Artemis.

Hi,

I went to Artemis last November and I really enjoyed it. I plan to visit it again. The last time I spent a great moment with a young girl 24 (Eastern Europe. Turkish? There for 4 months, dark hair, not natural tits, two piercings on her tits and tan looking skin.

I cannot remember her name.

Does someone has already meet her?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2345650]I really enjoyed reading this post. Because it 100% reflects my own thoughts about this great club. It was my first FKK and I will never forget it. But I haven't been for over 2 years for exactly the same reasons. I am in Berlin next week and will head back to the club. I just hope the LU has improved so I can enjoy a great time again. I've never had a really bad night in Artemis.[/QUOTE]Haha, same situation as me, but I be back in little shorter than 2 months time to Artemis after 4 years absence. Let us hope Artemis improved their line up and made it younger and more beautiful.

It used to be such a good club with young girls and it was my first FKK too. I want Artemis to come back to how it once used to be.

Good luck for your visit! And let us know!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2343146]I frequented Artemis from year 2009 till 2015. It used to be my favorite club because of following:

However, in 2015. Somehow stunners in lineup vanished and it was left with mostly just older plastic monster girls with too much paints on their body. And upsell became just too extreme beginning to try to charge you for every little actions, I could negotiate and get what I want, but I got tired of dealing with the deal girls offer that only serve them. So I decided to move on to Hessen then to nrw.

I am returning in late summer this year to Artemis too. I hope it will be good visit.

Either way, I have so many good memories in Artemis that it is nostalgic for me just being there. Some stunner girls I sessioned with are long gone, but I will still see their shadows here and there when I will be in Artemis, this is something I like about FKK mongering, I am there for pure sex, but I do enjoy these nostalgic moments.

You meet these stunners that blow your mind, take her to upstairs, do most dirty first night of honeymoon sex, share some memorable moment that last inside your head eternally, go down stairs, pay reasonable amount, kiss and she is gone forever soon or later. Then on to the next stunner.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with you as it is and was also my favourite club some years ago.

I made my first experience about 20 years ago at FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen and then got "addicted" to this kind of clubs.

Visited already some clubs in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and the paradise for FKK Clubs is NRW in Germany.

Haven't been to Artemis since more than 3 years as during my last visits the girls tryied to upsell as much extras as possible and the crowd was not really the best one.

As venue, Artemis is still a great place with excellent SPA facilities, ok food and always some eye candy.

May be I should it a new try just for memories of the good old times.

[QUOTE=JimmyKII;2345783]Absolutely agree with you as it is and was also my favourite club some years ago.

I made my first experience about 20 years ago at FKK Oase in Burgholzhausen and then got "addicted" to this kind of clubs.

Visited already some clubs in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and the paradise for FKK Clubs is NRW in Germany.

Haven't been to Artemis since more than 3 years as during my last visits the girls tryied to upsell as much extras as possible and the crowd was not really the best one.

As venue, Artemis is still a great place with excellent SPA facilities, ok food and always some eye candy.

May be I should it a new try just for memories of the good old times.[/QUOTE]So much memories there too, and I shall return this late summer. I just hope line up got younger and good as it once used to be.

As for service it was always upsell, as long as it is mild one and service is delivered as promised, then for me it is fine. I just want line up to be young and good as it was before 2014 ish.

Went to this FKK for the first time yesterday around 2 PM in the afternoon to check it out and should of never went. When I arrived I paid the 80 Euro entrance fee, got my locker, changed into a robe, and started checking the place out. There were about 25 guys there and about the same number of women at this time. As I was walking around at least six different women came up to me or were following me around, touching me, or chatting me up. With the exception of one woman, most of these women were disappointing. Some of them were way past their prime, and a few of them looked like linebackers! And there was the "smokers crew" sitting at the bar, a heavily tatted Turkish woman, and just a bunch of unattractive women wandering around the place with the exception of one as previously mentioned. But she was just to aggressive for me along with some of the others. In regards to the "free food", it was a bunch of slop, with no juices or ice at the soda machine.

So I sat down with some of the other patrons to discuss my observations and was told it was early in the day which it was, and that there would be better looking girls showing up later in the day. So I departed after 45 minutes and didn't return later to confirm whether this was true or not. I was generally turned off by the place, the desperate girls, and don't see what the attraction of the place is. The facilities are okay, but at 80 Euros to get in, not worth it in my opinion. And I am not convinced that the quality of the women would be substantially better later on. Just my thoughts and observations, hopefully others will have a better experience than I did.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2346034]Went to this FKK for the first time yesterday around 2 PM in the afternoon to check it out and should of never went. So I sat down with some of the other patrons to discuss my observations and was told it was early in the day which it was, and that there would be better looking girls showing up later in the day. So I departed after 45 minutes and didn't return later to confirm whether this was true or not. [/QUOTE]Summertime also means some of A's A team on holidays. But in general, Artemis is slow / dead during the day, completely different starting around 6 pm. Almost a different club at night. Been said hundreds of times here in thread, and you heard it from locals also. Frustrating for girls also as so few customers so of course they try harder. But, since you already paid, seems a bit foolish not to at least return for a bit. It is taste / emotion thing and might have made no difference to you; everyone is different. No club is perfect and A certainly has things it could improve (see 1. below). But to judge all this after only 45 minutes at slowest part of day not fair to club, or actually to yourself.

Other new visitors take this to heart. If you go early, best to have low expectations during daytime, just enjoy pool, food (have always found Artemis breakfast with eggs, cheeses, ham, yogurt, croissants, muesli, orange juice pretty good til 3 pm), drinks, sauna etc. And possibly, maybe you will meet someone you like from the 10-25 girls who might be there. But 3-4 [i]times[/i] number of day girls start arriving only around 6 pm, and full shift not clear really til 8 pm.

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1. Might be interesting experiment to run if A drastically reduced fee it charges to girls, maybe even to 0, except for those who sleep there who would pay small room charge. It might make girls more relaxed, less pressured to earn back their fee (which takes at least 3 sessions including taxes) etc., less crazy up-selling 1 additional monger would cover the club loss per girl per day. Might also increase competition and improve quality as more girls would compete to work there. This would be a radical move that would be felt throughout all DE FKKs and should bring in a lot of new talent.

There is argument that girls somehow work harder because they have to earn back the fee. But Ninja think they have incentive enough to want to even work there - it is by no means easy money. Might improve atmosphere, reduce sharking, and improve quality of choices, and increase men traffic throughout the day. Of course, it means club needs 70-80 or so new men per day to make up shortfall, which is significant but doable if atmosphere and choices much better.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2346158]Might be interesting experiment to run if a drastically reduced fee it charges to girls, maybe even to 0, except for those who sleep there who would pay small room charge.[/QUOTE]I would not reduce the entrance fee for the girls to zero in an effort to discourage total scammers and rip-off artists who will undoubtedly act like they have nothing to lose (without considering their own reputations). I would make every girl pay something that would incentivize them some to have to work to get that money back. Otherwise, you'll have plenty of more scammers showing up and getting what they can get for however many nights, then moving on, either by choice or after having been kicked out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2346034]Went to this FKK for the first time yesterday around 2 PM in the afternoon to check it out and should of never went. When I arrived I paid the 80 Euro entrance fee, got my locker, changed into a robe, and started checking the place out. There were about 25 guys there and about the same number of women at this time. As I was walking around at least six different women came up to me or were following me around, touching me, or chatting me up. With the exception of one woman, most of these women were disappointing. Some of them were way past their prime, and a few of them looked like linebackers! And there was the "smokers crew" sitting at the bar, a heavily tatted Turkish woman, and just a bunch of unattractive women wandering around the place with the exception of one as previously mentioned. But she was just to aggressive for me along with some of the others. In regards to the "free food", it was a bunch of slop, with no juices or ice at the soda machine.

So I sat down with some of the other patrons to discuss my observations and was told it was early in the day which it was, and that there would be better looking girls showing up later in the day. So I departed after 45 minutes and didn't return later to confirm whether this was true or not. I was generally turned off by the place, the desperate girls, and don't see what the attraction of the place is. The facilities are okay, but at 80 Euros to get in, not worth it in my opinion. And I am not convinced that the quality of the women would be substantially better later on. Just my thoughts and observations, hopefully others will have a better experience than I did.[/QUOTE]Hey Surfer500. I stopped being a regular visitor to Artemis a few years ago. There was a decline in the looks and quality of the girls there. Instead, I also shifted my attention to the Frankfurt clubs. For this club it might be a bit early in the day for the top girls, but if you did not like the girls at 2 PM, the quality of the girls probably won't improve significantly enough for you to find a suitor. You must be spoiled in Colombia. I remember the last visit I made, the girls were very aggressive. She tried to convince me to go to the room right away when I was heading to the dinner table. She said that they were not serving food. I called her on that and said look the restaurant is open. I don't know why the Artemis management did not kick these girls out. It will just drive tourists away. Your 80 Euros would have allowed you to enter again later in the evening, but since you were so turned off by the experience, you were probably wise to cut your losses. I also hoped you were able to use your time wisely the rest of the night. Where did you wind up going? Berlin is a great city to explore for a tourist. There are also plenty of other options. Hopefully, you will find something to your liking.

FiddyCent.

I have had the exact same thoughts as nooky about girls entrance fee. Does anybody know how much they have to pay?

Anyhow, if I were the club owner I would drastically lower the fee that the girls have to pay to work there. The club would become way more attractive for way more attractive girls and hence more customers would visit.

The club, the girls and the bears would all benefit I think.

Was there the other day, only sessioned once with a Turkish / German girl named Emira.

Have to agree that Artemis need to attract more girls and girls.

I ended up having an escort to my hotel room on a late call.

[QUOTE=FiddyCent;2346197]Hey Surfer500. I stopped being a regular visitor to Artemis a few years ago. There was a decline in the looks and quality of the girls there. Instead, I also shifted my attention to the Frankfurt clubs. For this club it might be a bit early in the day for the top girls, but if you did not like the girls at 2 PM, the quality of the girls probably won't improve significantly enough for you to find a suitor. You must be spoiled in Colombia. I remember the last visit I made, the girls were very aggressive. She tried to convince me to go to the room right away when I was heading to the dinner table. She said that they were not serving food. I called her on that and said look the restaurant is open. I don't know why the Artemis management did not kick these girls out. It will just drive tourists away. Your 80 Euros would have allowed you to enter again later in the evening, but since you were so turned off by the experience, you were probably wise to cut your losses. I also hoped you were able to use your time wisely the rest of the night. Where did you wind up going? Berlin is a great city to explore for a tourist. There are also plenty of other options. Hopefully, you will find something to your liking.

FiddyCent.[/QUOTE]Nooky Ninja made some good points, primarily, don't go there before six PM in the evening! The place was just not my cup of tea at all, however I can see how some guys would like the place.

I did however afterwards visit two low end brothels, and had a good experience at one of them, and it only set me back 60 Euros. Can't wait to get back to Colombia in three weeks. Sixty Euros goes a long way there!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2346174]I would not reduce the entrance fee for the girls to zero in an effort to discourage total scammers and rip-off artists who will undoubtedly act like they have nothing to lose (without considering their own reputations). I would make every girl pay something that would incentivize them some to have to work to get that money back. Otherwise, you'll have plenty of more scammers showing up and getting what they can get for however many nights, then moving on, either by choice or after having been kicked out.[/QUOTE]Some of them act like that anyways LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2346262]I did however afterwards visit two low end brothels, and had a good experience at one of them, and it only set me back 60 Euros. Can't wait to get back to Colombia in three weeks. Sixty Euros goes a long way there![/QUOTE]Which ones, especially which one did you like? Thanks.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2346244]I have had the exact same thoughts as nooky about girls entrance fee. Does anybody know how much they have to pay?

Anyhow, if I were the club owner I would drastically lower the fee that the girls have to pay to work there. The club would become way more attractive for way more attractive girls and hence more customers would visit.

The club, the girls and the bears would all benefit I think.

Was there the other day, only sessioned once with a Turkish / German girl named Emira.

Have to agree that Artemis need to attract more girls and girls.

I ended up having an escort to my hotel room on a late call.[/QUOTE]A is a terrible club but good enough for Asian guys, fair visitors but completely out for any little bit demanding senior monger, a real no go place even for free I don t like to waste my time which veteran, sili and botoxed girls.

Yeah I know, you told it maybe 20 times in the last few days.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2346400]Some of them act like that anyways LOL.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but I believe that having them pay nothing would only make matters worse by making going to "work" at an FKK look more enticing to "riff-raff" type of girls. I'm talking about those who are only there to fleece as many customers as possible. Thinking only about the here and now versus building a good reputation by providing honest and quality service to horny men willing to pay for it.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2346423]Which ones, especially which one did you like? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sorry don't remember the name of the gal at Europa Salon but she was from Moldavia wherever the hell that is! A larger girl but spoke five languages and very pleasant.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2346425]A is a terrible club but good enough for Asian guys, fair visitors but completely out for any little bit demanding senior monger, a real no go place even for free I don t like to waste my time which veteran, sili and botoxed girls.[/QUOTE]Yes this place is not for a seasoned monger with worldwide experience for sure, or someone who likes the street scene like myself.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2346425]A is a terrible club but good enough for Asian guys, fair visitors but completely out for any little bit demanding senior monger, a real no go place even for free I don t like to waste my time which veteran, sili and botoxed girls.[/QUOTE]Was there over the weekend. Terrible.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2346565]Agreed, but I believe that having them pay nothing would only make matters worse by making going to "work" at an FKK look more enticing to "riff-raff" type of girls. I'm talking about those who are only there to fleece as many customers as possible. Thinking only about the here and now versus building a good reputation by providing honest and quality service to horny men willing to pay for it.[/QUOTE]I agree, and this is something Artemis failed to do. It used to be good club with beautiful lineup with mild up sell, but delivered service. Let see how Artemis improve. Does Kennan even care?

[QUOTE=Danny227;2346657]Was there over the weekend. Terrible.[/QUOTE]When tickets sales will slow they will care. But unless a drastic decline, nothing happens. Also, many people only know Google reviews they dint read ISG. And maybe for the girls, Artemis has some supplier agreements they can't break or work with other suppliers.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2346956]When tickets sales will slow they will care. But unless a drastic decline, nothing happens. Also, many people only know Google reviews they dint read ISG. And maybe for the girls, Artemis has some supplier agreements they can't break or work with other suppliers.[/QUOTE]So with an upcoming visit this week imminent, I was hoping for just SOME positive feedback in this forum in the last 2 weeks but it hasn't arrived.

Several reports, from experienced members, of the club getting gradually worse. Surely there must be some decent girls amongst the LU? How many girls now work in the club on an average night? 20,30, 50,70, 100? I expect the club could not survive with only 20 or so. So of maybe 50+ there just must be a few who reach 8/10 no?

If not, what is keeping the club alive? I know it is the only club in Berlin with no competition, but dreadful options result in no punters. There are many other P6 options in Berlin so why hasn't Artemis closed if it is this bad? I have even contemplated trying to divert 2 meetings to other locations because of this! No joy! So either I try one night (I only have two) but then abandon it for one of the other P6 options. I will report back, but until then are there any girls in the current LU members would recommend?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2347255]I will report back, but until then are there any girls in the current LU members would recommend?[/QUOTE]I highly recommend blue-eyed, blonde Lilia from Kiel, Germany (at least that's where she said she is from). When you enter the main room, she always stands on the far right end of the bar against the wall. That's her spot. I heard she had returned to Artemis, but that's already been a few weeks now, and we all know how these girls can be there today and gone tomorrow. She never moves much from her spot, and has no need to as she looks so good the blokes approach her one-by-one for sessions. Makes a lot of money! We both really liked Melissa at Scandalo in Malaga, so I think we have some similarities in taste. Check out Lilia if she's there my friend! I think you will like her.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2347255]Surely there must be some decent girls amongst the LU? How many girls now work in the club on an average night? 20,30, 50,70, 100? I expect the club could not survive with only 20 or so. So of maybe 50+ there just must be a few who reach 8/10 no?So either I try one night (I only have two) but then abandon it for one of the other P6 options. I will report back, but until then are there any girls in the current LU members would recommend?[/QUOTE]It is summer time so lineup suffers with some regular stars on holidays. But club is still crowded on weekends with both sexes, and cannot be explained by all guests being constantly new ignorant, inexperienced foreign tourists (aren't they always, Mr. Trump?). You will be fine if you just keep wits about you.

Is A as good as it was 2007-2014 - no. But whole scene changed after new law forcing registration and Ninja think quality has suffered. Management not stupid and somehow the pool of girls applying has changed which affects whom they let in. And new law has given girls excuse to upsell, not helped by mongers who have too willingly agreed to this. But affects all FKKs. Some are up, some are down, things change constantly. Now NRW is heaven, before it was Hessen, soon it will be somewhere else. All an individual taste and chemistry thing, which is also why it is silly to recommend girls.

The negativity here is simply odd and narrow, which skews the overall sense of what is the reality. Many reports same people posting again and again and again and again and again, or others judging who have not been in years. So much anger and frustration - to what point? Somehow they think this criticism shows how worldly they are. But really, if they don't like club, say it once, and don't return. Part of club vibe also due to changing mongers, not only changing girls. You read older reports and it is different universe. Artemis thread used to be interesting, funny, lots of useful reports, good place to make and meet new friends. Now it is wasteland. Ninja say all this already many times before and so am guilty as rest, but say it to try to restore balance. My last words on all this.

There have been some recent good reports. So just relax, try one (power) night, not Sun-Wed. If not so great, go to private bordellos all over Berlin. Ninja prefer this option on cost/quality basis but different experience. Keep expectations in check, enjoy the pool and chill on warm day, and go slow to find 1-2 playmates who will be fun.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2347255]So with an upcoming visit this week imminent, I was hoping for just SOME positive feedback in this forum in the last 2 weeks but it hasn't arrived.

Several reports, from experienced members, of the club getting gradually worse. Surely there must be some decent girls amongst the LU? How many girls now work in the club on an average night? 20,30, 50,70, 100? I expect the club could not survive with only 20 or so. So of maybe 50+ there just must be a few who reach 8/10 no?

If not, what is keeping the club alive? I know it is the only club in Berlin with no competition, but dreadful options result in no punters. There are many other P6 options in Berlin so why hasn't Artemis closed if it is this bad? I have even contemplated trying to divert 2 meetings to other locations because of this! No joy! So either I try one night (I only have two) but then abandon it for one of the other P6 options. I will report back, but until then are there any girls in the current LU members would recommend?[/QUOTE]Artemis is a club for visitors. People that go there don't normally read ISG, so they are not aware of the situation. Also, Artemis has less clients now than a few years ago, but it is still a lot.

Girls are over 50 any day and weekends over 100. The reality is that most girls are old. Silicone based. Full of make up. Nothing natural.

The reality is that girls work there so long, customer is not the center, they only care about money. They behave rudely. Because most clients are tourists, service is non existent.

Upsell is extreme, girls will not give blow jobs without unless you pay 50 extra. Many girls don't go to the room for 60. You can forget about service.

Even at palace I get better service at the moment.

Girls that used to be good in other clubs get to Artemis and become terrible. You are there to pay the girls. You are nit there to enjoy sex. Nothing is about you. All is about the money the girls get. That is the sad moto. Go elsewhere if you can.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2347382]It is summer time so lineup suffers with some regular stars on holidays. But club is still crowded on weekends with both sexes, and cannot be explained by all guests being constantly new ignorant, inexperienced foreign tourists (aren't they always, Mr. Trump?). You will be fine if you if you just keep wits about you.

Is A as good as it was 2007-2014 - no. But whole scene changed after new law forcing registration and Ninja think quality has suffered. Management not stupid and somehow the pool of girls applying has changed which affects whom they let in. And new law has given girls excuse to upsell, not helped by mongers who have too willingly agreed to this. But affects all FKKs. Some are up, some are down, things change constantly. Now NRW is heaven, before it was Hessen, soon it will be somewhere else. All an individual taste and chemistry thing, which is also why it is silly to recommend girls.

The negativity here is simply odd and narrow, which skews the overall sense of what is the reality. Many reports same people posting again and again and again and again and again, or others judging who have not been in years. So much anger and frustration - to what point? Somehow they think this criticism shows how worldly they are..[/QUOTE]Ninja, I respect you as a long time Artemis guy, but you are very soft on the current situation. This has never been so extreme and it is worst than palace ever was or is. Yes, palace is a benchmark for extreme upsell.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2347356]I highly recommend blue-eyed, blonde Lilia from Kiel, Germany (at least that's where she said she is from). When you enter the main room, she always stands on the far right end of the bar against the wall. That's her spot. I heard she had returned to Artemis, but that's already been a few weeks now, and we all know how these girls can be there today and gone tomorrow. She never moves much from her spot, and has no need to as she looks so good the blokes approach her one-by-one for sessions. Makes a lot of money! We both really liked Melissa at Scandalo in Malaga, so I think we have some similarities in taste. Check out Lilia if she's there my friend! I think you will like her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. If she is anything like the stunning Melissa I will be a very happy man. Melissa remains my no. 1 for looks in all mongering in 30 years. Not the hottest body but her face is beautiful. Will hopefully meet Lilia. Will let you know. From the reports here, including from regular and senior members, my expectations of my return (tonight) are very low. This post gave a glimmer of hope! Thanks.

For old customers there are glimpses of lightness in Sheizemis, if you are remembered as a nice person, old price structure will apply though YMMV.

Tried a new girl. Told me "I charge 20 extra to forget the law " with whispering voice like a tantric lady. Got BBBJ, LFK and DATY. It was easier to accept when she added some charm to it.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2347813]Thanks for this. If she is anything like the stunning Melissa I will be a very happy man. Melissa remains my no. 1 for looks in all mongering in 30 years. Not the hottest body but her face is beautiful. Will hopefully meet Lilia. Will let you know. From the reports here, including from regular and senior members, my expectations of my return (tonight) are very low. This post gave a glimmer of hope! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would say that Melissa probably has the prettier face (although Lilia's face is very, very pretty), and that Lilia has the better body (although Melissa is no slouch). Lilia made me cum harder than any woman has in the last year and a half. That's no exaggeration. I hope you find her. And more than that, I hope you like her, and that she rocks your world! She did mine. Good luck, and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2347952]For old customers there are glimpses of lightness in Sheizemis, if you are remembered as a nice person, old price structure will apply though YMMV.

Tried a new girl. Told me "I charge 20 extra to forget the law " with whispering voice like a tantric lady. Got BBBJ, LFK and DATY. It was easier to accept when she added some charm to it.[/QUOTE]I get it. And a nice bit of innovative thinking on her part. I'm thinking you should have asked for doggie, then when behind insert your cock into her ass without asking and when she screeched you say "oh I thought you'd charge 20 extra for me to forget which hole".

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2347974]I get it. And a nice bit of innovative thinking on her part. I'm thinking you should have asked for doggie, then when behind insert your cock into her ass without asking and when she screeched you say "oh I thought you'd charge 20 extra for me to forget which hole".[/QUOTE]I wish I could! Her body was extremely sexy. Blond German from eastern side of Berlin. Lots of tattoos and freckles on her face. Man made lips. Have no name. Managed only one position. In CG she kissed my lips lightly, deeply staring in my eyes, and whispering still with tantric voice: "do you like my beautiful pussy? Milked me like a cow. Oh God, this is too much for me right now.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2347480]Even at palace I get better service at the moment.[/QUOTE]What is the full name of this place?

I will go to Berlin next month for the first time. Trying to decide whether go to Artemis or somewhere else.

I would appreciate any help.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2348014]I wish I could! Her body was extremely sexy. Blond German from eastern side of Berlin. Lots of tattoos and freckles on her face. Man made lips. Have no name. Managed only one position. In CG she kissed my lips lightly, deeply staring in my eyes, and whispering still with tantric voice: "do you like my beautiful pussy? Milked me like a cow. Oh God, this is too much for me right now.[/QUOTE]It's a good thing she didn't ask you for more money to deep french kiss you, in that state, you'd have handed over your wallet! I know I would have.

So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died.

In the past week I've been looking forward to my trip this evening but that dampened a lot reading many of the negative reports about the club from some seasoned members. Only one positive post from The Cane about a girl called Lilia was a cause for optimism. So here is what I found from a report on the ground.

1. Arrived 8 pm. Club very quiet. I had in mind that it is holiday season and that it is Wednesday (dessous) which I thought might kill numbers. It seemed correct.

2. Got food. Changed layout from last visit with food now at end of the room. Better set out but still pretty poor in quality and I will eat outside before returning to the club tomorrow. Which I shall most certainly do.

3. LU. The important bit. Sure, it is correct that there are many more shapes and sizes than in previous years, a lot of sillicone and tattoos. But in my view that was always there. There are far more older women there now but the overall impression given of it being a very tired, ugly line up, from my perspective, is wide of the mark. There are a lot of very doable girls in the club. There are lots of slim girls, and quite a few girls who are early 20's. Not as many as are late 20's / early 30's but enough. There was one girl I would have needed to see evidence of her age before going to a room with. She looked under 18 to me. I'm sure she isn't. And she was with her two older sisters. Yes - for sure and had it confirmed by other girls, but boy she looked very young indeed and as that is not for me I stayed clear. I did nearly session with her two other sisters but resisted. The options were more than enough. The club picked up by 10 pm but I hadn't chosen my first room. Remembered the very facially pretty and great fun Melanie (Ro. Dark hair) but her ass is a little heavy and she has no tits at all so skipped. Ended up doing only one fabulous room. More below. But overall, I'd say this was the most varied LU I've seen in Artemis. There were 5-10 women who would not score 5/10 being either very fat, old or very ugly. Not nice to say but true. Perhaps they would say the same of me! After that there were at least 30+ girls I'd score 6 or 7's. There were at least 5-10 girls who pushed at or achieve 8/10 status. IMHO there were no girls who scored 9's or 10's. But I'm pretty harsh on looks. Melanie is facially 8 out of 10 but her body brings the overall score down. But there were more than 10 girls I'd be very happy to session with based on looks, body and personality.

4. Was taken by a very tall blonde called Carla. Ro. Very nice eyes, very slim and really lovely sun-kissed body. Some but minimal tattoos. She was lovely to talk to. Sits on couches to left when entering the bar with her friend Francesca who sports thick glasses. Not as pretty but one of the 7's and a decent body. One girl I knew from old warned me off several very good looking girls telling me they thought they were all great performers and were known upsellers. Hard not to approach some of these who were actually very pretty and were in the 8's category. Carla was an 8 from the moment I saw her and had a great personality. Hour in the room. Early possible issue before the room was a reluctance to do BBBJ without receiving another 50 for it. I made clear that if she was not happy with 120 for 1 hour to include it, she wasn't for me. She didn't hold onto the argument and off we went. I had fully intended not to pop but just enjoy it and let the excitement build up, but this girl has 10/10 performance skills. Amazing BBBJ and very good at suggestions on positions. Silicones but it was hard to tell they were even when the bra came off and they felt natural in all positions other than doggie. Lovely big nipples (pierced. As were other places). Really fun girl. Added an extra and ended up agreeing 170 for that for 1 hour with the normal 50 extra factored into the price. Without it she was happy to do 120/ hour but I suspect she may have resisted BBBJ in that price. She was happy to include DFK (though we didn't really go for it much) and DATY which she appeared to enjoy. Her BBBJ and hand skills were off the scale and I couldn't prevent popping which she kept delaying which just made it incredible. At the 1 hour mark she hadn't finished me off and she told me not to worry. No more cash but was keen to finish the job. What was really impressive was her attitude at that point. Instead of rushing it (which I expected) she made a real meal of it, lots of delay, stopping etc and we overshot our time by a whole 25 minutes. I felt guilty and said I'd pay for the extra time. And she refused. Great gesture, she said she'd really enjoyed it and didn't want to rush it for me. What a clever girl not asking for more cash. Result? I gave her 220 anyway. For the terrific service, the extra included in the hour, the extra 25 mintues, and her fabulous attitude. I would definitely repeat and will struggle not to automatically gravitate to her tomorrow.

5. I asked reception if Lilia was in and was told not but that she could be tomorrow. Probably a ruse but I'm going anyway so I'll find out.

6. I thought parts of the club are looking in need of freshening up. But over the years I've never had a bad night in Artemis and this one followed that pattern.

I'll be back there tomorrow evening seeking out some of the 8's I didn't get to today. But safe in the knowledge that the club is far from dead, has several girls I'd very much like to see and the reports of the LU being so dreadful, IMHO, are exaggerated. I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Artemis tonight and will return. It really is not as bad as has been made out.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348098]So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died. I thought parts of the club are looking in need of freshening up. But over the years I've never had a bad night in Artemis and this one followed that pattern. I'll be back there tomorrow evening seeking out some of the 8's I didn't get to today. But safe in the knowledge that the club is far from dead, has several girls I'd very much like to see and the reports of the LU being so dreadful, IMHO, are exaggerated. I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Artemis tonight and will return. It really is not as bad as has been made out.[/QUOTE]From one veteran to another. Here, here! And here's to hopefully finding Lilia LOL! Cheers!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348098]The reports of the LU being so dreadful, IMHO, are exaggerated. I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to Artemis tonight and will return. It really is not as bad as has been made out.[/QUOTE]Nice, balanced, report. Amazing what a little patience, sanity and common sense do for one's enjoyment.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348098]So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died.

In the past week I've been looking forward to my trip this evening but that dampened a lot reading many of the negative reports about the club from some seasoned members. Only one positive post from The Cane about a girl called Lilia was a cause for optimism. So here is what I found from a report on the ground.

1. Arrived 8 pm. Club very quiet. I had in mind that it is holiday season and that it is Wednesday (dessous) which I thought might kill numbers. It seemed correct.

2. Got food. Changed layout from last visit with food now at end of the room. Better set out but still pretty poor in quality and I will eat outside before returning to the club tomorrow. Which I shall most certainly do.

3. LU. The important bit. Sure, it is correct that there are many more shapes and sizes than in previous years, a lot of sillicone and tattoos. But in my view that was always there. There are far more older women there now but the overall impression given of it being a very tired, ugly line up, from my perspective, is wide of the mark. There are a lot of very doable girls in the club. There are lots of slim girls, and quite a few girls who are early 20's. Not as many as are late 20's / early 30's but enough..[/QUOTE]What the girls are thinking about us is meanness we are the client they are the prostitutes, we pay. For me you just confirm that if you add the high entry price, there is no reason to visit A except you have no choice and you are busy in Berlin.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348098]So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died.[/QUOTE]Such a great report.

Many thanks man.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348098]So, looking back at my previous posts, my last trip to Artemis was August 2017 so nearly 2 years ago. I headed my report then "not dead" to counter reports that the club had all but died.

In the past week I've been looking forward to my trip this evening but that dampened a lot reading many of the negative reports about the club from some seasoned members. Only one positive post from The Cane about a girl called Lilia was a cause for optimism. So here is what I found from a report on the ground.

1. Arrived 8 pm. Club very quiet. I had in mind that it is holiday season and that it is Wednesday (dessous) which I thought might kill numbers. It seemed correct.

2. Got food. Changed layout from last visit with food now at end of the room. Better set out but still pretty poor in quality and I will eat outside before returning to the club tomorrow. Which I shall most certainly do.

3. LU. The important bit. Sure, it is correct that there are many more shapes and sizes than in previous years, a lot of sillicone and tattoos. But in my view that was always there. There are far more older women there now but the overall impression given of it being a very tired, ugly line up, from my perspective, is wide of the mark. There are a lot of very doable girls in the club..[/QUOTE]A good experience makes everything better. Carla is indeed a strong 8. Also skills are there as she works many years. Melanie fir me a 6, apologies. Yes there some pretty girls, for example the redhead Anabel, but no matter what you pay, you'll get nothing. Most Romanians in Artemis for 1 hour plus CIM will give you good service. However, Romanians are light in youth there. Carla is an example of old but phenomenal looks. IMO. You were in luck as that week started 5-6 girls from Hessen area and are 8 easily.

The young Romanian you rejected for age was a good move as skills are limited.

Put differently; most Romanians will provide you good service for long session plus CIM (they all must make something more than the time to be happy); Germans are a tough sell even in long sessions, be aware. For short half an hour sessions for 60 euro you have a very very low probability of getting serviced.

So decent service not great goes with spending 170 an hour as wrote previously a few times. But, you want get it from beautiful fresh girls normally, but older silicone Romanians. It makes a difference IMO.

Go Sharks, GT, Oase, living room, Acapulco and you'll pay 150 an hour with younger and fresher girls who will kiss you passionately. In Artemis that is not on the menu.

As a tourist, that visits every once in a while and willing to spend 170 an hour on that type of service you can have a decent night, not outstandingly perfect. Half hour customer have near zero chance to have a great time.

So happy truly happy you had a good time, but it doesn't contradict the basic premise of previous reviews.

1. Hardly any fresh girls.

2. Near zero chance for a good 60 euro session.

3. Old and silicone is dominant in Artemis.

4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans.

No changes result for your review.

Hope you enjoy rest if the week.

Best regards friend!

Actually in LR you'll pay 100 and in Acapulco you'll pay 80, without any pressure about extras.

So many thanks to my fellow contributors for their comments. Before setting out the detail of what ended up being an even better night at Artemis than the first, I will reply to some of the comments made:

The Cane: Lilia from Kiel worked tonight. What a very nice lady. Nice eyes and terrific natural large breasts, but for my liking a little too heavy so I declined but what a lovely girl.

Pinball Machine: Thanks. Glad you liked the report and hope you'll like this one too.

Expat Lover: I 100% agree that the monopoly Artemis has in Berlin is very poor for the market. The proposed new club in Potsdam didn't happen and the monopoly is a very significant negative for mongers as the girls know you have few other options. To turn up at a walk in, be confronted by 4 or 5 girls and have to pick without speaking to them for more than 10 second is on offer elsewhere in Bordellos. But that's what we get back in the UK and US and it is weak and you are at great risk of picking someone who you have no chemistry with. This is the beauty of the FKK model. I spoke to several girls tonight I really liked. Particularly Natasha and Evan. Neither of whom worked last night, both had great bodies. Evan with incredible wheelnut nipples and Natasha with lovely black fishnets and pierced nipples. But nice girls though they were they were not into my personal likes and dislikes and so we passed. It is true that there is little better alternative in Berlin as you say. So sadly there is every reason to go to Artemis as there is no good alternative and for me, the club still has many beauties.

Bigbuddy. I gave up on LR the last time I went. Whilst Sharks and Artemis have smokey bars, there are places to escape with lovely fresh air where there are still girls (e. G. Downstairs in the kino / pool area / wellness at Artemis). LR has a cancer inducing main room where the girls all stand. I have never experienced forced smoke inhalation like it anywhere in the World and I am sad as I like the free beer fridges but the restaurant is tiny, and the cancer risk high. So I won't be returning anytime soon. I only head there if Oceans LU is weak and even then only in real desperation. Cannot speak for Aca but don't like tiny, or none approach clubs.

Danny227. Nice response with many perfectly fair points. To each their own with Mel. There tonight and when no lingerie the boobs looked very tired and drawn and I agree with you that she doesn't get to 8 with those and the large ass. Carla is just amazing and her service is terrific. I repeat your enumerated points for reply below;.

1. Hardly any fresh girls. (I disagree. Several have abandoned Sharks for Artemis. Blonde pretty Kimberley at Sharks is now Jasmine at Artemis). Several others were there tonight who the experienced girls told me " I don't know her she has only been here two weeks".

2. Near zero chance for a good 60 euro session. I totally agree but then I don't do 30 min sessions unless the girl is useless and I tend now to know that from the pre room interview which is essential when planning longer rooms.

3. Old and silicone is dominant in Artemis. Sillicone I agree with. Old I don't. There are definitely too many older girls. But there are also some young ones. I think the average is above the Hessen and NRW clubs but not much over 30 which is fine for me.

4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans. You forgot that 50 of that 170 was for a defined extra so the real price for fabulous service from Carla was 120. I agree that if you are willing to Payforit (sorry couldn't resist and its why its my nick on here!) you get known for it. As I had paid handsomely last night I found a lot of very receptive girls tonight. For anyone not living in Germany these prices are fine. In Spain I expect to pay min 150/ hour if not 200 in most places, 240 in Vive (which is exceptional and 300/ hour in Miladys Palace). In London 150 is available but the best girls range from 200 to 600 per hour. In Australia average is the equivalent of 200/ hour. In Dubai the same for quality. Germans have feasted for a long time on 50/30 rooms or 60 at Artemis. I actually agree with the girls on this. Why should a girl go to the room, totally naked, give you access to her pussy, give you DFK, a BBBJ and work hard on you for 30 minutes all for 60? Time has moved on. It was 60/30 in 2013! Everything else has gone up in price. Why not this? You wouldn't stop buying food if it got expensive and our mutual habit has been very cheap in Germany for a long time. I don't think paying 120 for an hour with a very pretty girl with great service is at all expensive.

No changes result for your review. You are entitled to your opinion but clearly some disagree. This club was being portayed as dead. It is not dead. There are still some very pretty girls to chose from and some have abandoned Hessen for Berlin (and are therefore fresh).

So quickly to tonight. More buzz about the club. Lots of girls I did not see last night. Contemplated a threesome with Jessica and Avia? Both German and great fun. Lilia was lovely but too heavy for me. Evan. Incredible nipples and very intelligent. A solid 7 pushing 8/10. The facially very attractive red head Anabel. But wait for it. She was too skinny for me! And her red haired friend. Also pretty and young. The three sisters were absent. Back from the past Elena. Blonde before. Stunning cheekbones and lovely lingerie but she is one who holds cock when being fucked which I loathe.

I can honestly say I was spoilt for choice. Very much wanted a session with the lovely Natasha (fishnets) but got the vibe it would be mechanical. Had a few beers, laughed a lot with a very tall girl who kept pulling my towel from around my waist in the bar (much to the amusement of several very nice Spanish guys) but ultimately selected a threesome for 1. 5 hours with Carla (again) and her friend Francesca. Brunette with glasses. Had a truly fabulous session, lots of laughs, lots of great sex, DFK from Carla was amazing (so it is available and I paid no more for it) and Francesca was another great service provider in the room. Left very happy and will definitely revisit Artemis without leaving it so long next time. Yes there are oldies, fatties, silicones and tattoos. More than elsewhere to be fair. But I remember once thinking the LU in Sharks was awful. To counter those negative options there remain lots of good ones and as I'm happy to have 2 or 3 great rooms with really lovely and sexy girls, it is still very much an option for me.

Please stop rationalizing price gouging and sharking. No one cares how much you paid in Vive (whatever that even is), or any other place where SW criminalization has let to desperate mongers willing to pay overinflated prices. The reason why people come to places like Germany, Mexico or Asia is access to reasonably priced providers.

The only reason why Artemis girls are able to get sway with bad service for 30/60 is precisely because of lack of competition and lack of variety of FKKs in Berlin. They would never be able to get away with it in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service. And that's the reason why I'd never set my foot in this dump of a club.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]
4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans. You forgot that 50 of that 170 was for a defined extra so the real price for fabulous service from Carla was 120. I agree that if you are willing to Payforit (sorry couldn't resist and its why its my nick on here!) you get known for it. As I had paid handsomely last night I found a lot of very receptive girls tonight. For anyone not living in Germany these prices are fine. In Spain I expect to pay min 150/ hour if not 200 in most places, 240 in Vive (which is exceptional and 300/ hour in Miladys Palace). [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2348549]Please stop rationalizing price gouging and sharking. No one cares how much you paid in Vive (whatever that even is), or any other place where SW criminalization has let to desperate mongers willing to pay overinflated prices. The reason why people come to places like Germany, Mexico or Asia is access to reasonably priced providers.

The only reason why Artemis girls are able to get sway with bad service for 30/60 is precisely because of lack of competition and lack of variety of FKKs in Berlin. They would never be able to get away with it in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service. And that's the reason why I'd never set my foot in this dump of a club.[/QUOTE]It's so funny hearing people complain about prices. Don't like the prices then don't go.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]The Cane: Lilia from Kiel worked tonight. What a very nice lady. Nice eyes and terrific natural large breasts, but for my liking a little too heavy so I declined but what a lovely girl.[/QUOTE]Yes, Lilia is bigger and taller than Melissa, especially if she's wearing some heels. Very Germanic in her appearance, which I prefer, and not a "gazelle" as some of the guys here describe some of the women. I think Melissa is from Slovenia. Both very nice girls, but I like Lilia's look and performance better. There is some debate about whether her tits are natural or not, but I say who cares? If they aren't, then she had one damn good job done!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2348461]Actually in LR you'll pay 100 and in Acapulco you'll pay 80, without any pressure about extras.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. I said 150 because he had one extra, so I included it. So true, Acapulco with the extra will be 130.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]So many thanks to my fellow contributors for their comments. Before setting out the detail of what ended up being an even better night at Artemis than the first, I will reply to some of the comments made:

The Cane: Lilia from Kiel worked tonight. What a very nice lady. Nice eyes and terrific natural large breasts, but for my liking a little too heavy so I declined but what a lovely girl.

Pinball Machine: Thanks. Glad you liked the report and hope you'll like this one too.

Expat Lover: I 100% agree that the monopoly Artemis has in Berlin is very poor for the market. The proposed new club in Potsdam didn't happen and the monopoly is a very significant negative for mongers as the girls know you have few other options. To turn up at a walk in, be confronted by 4 or 5 girls and have to pick without speaking to them for more than 10 second is on offer elsewhere in Bordellos. But that's what we get back in the UK and US and it is weak and you are at great risk of picking someone who you have no chemistry with. This is the beauty of the FKK model. I spoke to several girls tonight I really liked. Particularly Natasha and Evan. Neither of whom worked last night, both had great bodies. Evan with incredible wheelnut nipples and Natasha with lovely black fishnets and pierced nipples. But nice girls though they were they were not into my personal likes and dislikes and so we passed. It is true that there is little better alternative in Berlin as you say. So sadly there is every reason to go to Artemis as there is no good alternative and for me, the club still has many beauties.

Bigbuddy. I gave up on LR the last time I went. Whilst Sharks and Artemis have smokey bars, there are places to escape with lovely fresh air where there are still girls (e. G. Downstairs in the kino / pool area / wellness at Artemis). LR has a cancer inducing main room where the girls all stand. I have never experienced forced smoke inhalation like it anywhere in the World and I am sad as I like the free beer fridges but the restaurant is tiny, and the cancer risk high. So I won't be returning anytime soon. I only head there if Oceans LU is weak and even then only in real desperation. Cannot speak for Aca but don't like tiny, or none approach clubs.

Danny227. Nice response with many perfectly fair points. To each their own with Mel. There tonight and when no lingerie the boobs looked very tired and drawn and I agree with you that she doesn't get to 8 with those and the large ass. Carla is just amazing and her service is terrific. I repeat your enumerated points for reply below;.

1. Hardly any fresh girls. (I disagree. Several have abandoned Sharks for Artemis. Blonde pretty Kimberley at Sharks is now Jasmine at Artemis). Several others were there tonight who the experienced girls told me " I don't know her she has only been here two weeks".

2. Near zero chance for a good 60 euro session. I totally agree but then I don't do 30 min sessions unless the girl is useless and I tend now to know that from the pre room interview which is essential when planning longer rooms.

3. Old and silicone is dominant in Artemis. Sillicone I agree with. Old I don't. There are definitely too many older girls. But there are also some young ones. I think the average is above the Hessen and NRW clubs but not much over 30 which is fine for me.

4. For 170 an hour you can get decent service for mist those girls, but nit the German girls and at the moment Artemis has roughly 20 Germans. You forgot that 50 of that 170 was for a defined extra so the real price for fabulous service from Carla was 120. I agree that if you are willing to Payforit (sorry couldn't resist and its why its my nick on here!) you get known for it. As I had paid handsomely last night I found a lot of very receptive girls tonight. For anyone not living in Germany these prices are fine. In Spain I expect to pay min 150/ hour if not 200 in most places, 240 in Vive (which is exceptional and 300/ hour in Miladys Palace). In London 150 is available but the best girls range from 200 to 600 per hour. In Australia average is the equivalent of 200/ hour. In Dubai the same for quality. Germans have feasted for a long time on 50/30 rooms or 60 at Artemis. I actually agree with the girls on this. Why should a girl go to the room, totally naked, give you access to her pussy, give you DFK, a BBBJ and work hard on you for 30 minutes all for 60? Time has moved on. It was 60/30 in 2013! Everything else has gone up in price. Why not this? You wouldn't stop buying food if it got expensive and our mutual habit has been very cheap in Germany for a long time. I don't think paying 120 for an hour with a very pretty girl with great service is at all expensive.

No changes result for your review. You are entitled to your opinion but clearly some disagree. This club was being portayed as dead. It is not dead. There are still some very pretty girls to chose from and some have abandoned Hessen for Berlin (and are therefore fresh).

So quickly to tonight. More buzz about the club. Lots of girls I did not see last night. Contemplated a threesome with Jessica and Avia? Both German and great fun. Lilia was lovely but too heavy for me. Evan. Incredible nipples and very intelligent. A solid 7 pushing 8/10. The facially very attractive red head Anabel. But wait for it. She was too skinny for me! And her red haired friend. Also pretty and young. The three sisters were absent. Back from the past Elena. Blonde before. Stunning cheekbones and lovely lingerie but she is one who holds cock when being fucked which I loathe..[/QUOTE]Kimberly, while extremely sweet has a pretty face and disproportionate body, is really really not a definition of a good girl: she doesn't room a lot and when she does make sure you take your check book with you and she is there for less than a week. Not an example at all. Apologies. BTW: service is non existent. Fact.

What I meant is, so most girls like Carla will not give you 1 hour for 120 good service. Just won't. The added extra does that and it makes more sense to them like I said, you got lucky with Carla. Maybe you have not been in Artemis for a while so your eyes didn't adjust yet: dominated by old women, period. Older is 35-40. Old in this job is already 30. Girls that work 7-10 years. Old and not fresh. You'll see it once your eyes adjust. No irony here, seriously.

And the most important is that most people like to go for half an hour and get a reasonable value for money: near zero chance to find. Most people don't want to spend 200 in the room. So, for the majority of clients, Artemis is a very difficult environment. So, young and fresh girls that will give you good service and passionately kiss you with minimum money discussions (those kill the atmosphere) in a half hour session are in NRW and Hessen, but not in Artemis. Artemis is a club for visitors or foreigners that don't mind paying too much and have lower service requirements. Visit NRW and then report back to us dear friend.

Glad you enjoy it. Have a great time!

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2348549]Please stop rationalizing price gouging and sharking. No one cares how much you paid in Vive (whatever that even is), or any other place where SW criminalization has let to desperate mongers willing to pay overinflated prices. The reason why people come to places like Germany, Mexico or Asia is access to reasonably priced providers.

The only reason why Artemis girls are able to get sway with bad service for 30/60 is precisely because of lack of competition and lack of variety of FKKs in Berlin. They would never be able to get away with it in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service. And that's the reason why I'd never set my foot in this dump of a club.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid this is simply a case of a clash of opinions. A couple of responses:

1. It is absolutely not correct that "the reason people come to places like Germany is access to reasonably priced providers". You see people in all of these forums willing to fly from USA, Japan, UK, etc to Germany. It costs a lot to get here. Why fly all of this way? It's not for cheap prices. It is to be in a club surrounded by 100+ naked women you can mingle with before choosing. THAT is the reason tourists pay to come here, not for the price. By the time we add the cost of flights, hotels, taxis or PT, entry fee, the sex in Germany is actually no cheaper than elsewhere. Trust me, I can get a walk up in Soho London where a girl will give me sex for under £100. Far cheaper than incurring all the above cost. In a small town like say Blackburn you'the get that sex for even less. Low prices are not the attraction. Indeed, it might be said that the prices in Germany are very high. Take this as an example, let's say I hit Palace in Frankfurt. 75 entry, now 100/30 for a lot of the girls if you want BBBJ. Some will take 150/60. So it has cost me at least 225 for my first fuck. You think that's cheap compared to other destinations? It's not.

2. I would agree that people go to Asia for mainly the prices. But you referred to Artemis being a "dump of a club". I've been to places in Asia which make Artemis look like a 5 star hotel. Indeed there are not many places in Asia which are at all pleasant to be in. Take the horrendous rooms in Orchard Towers Singapore. And they are good compared to Thailand, Bali and Jakarta. They are Dumps of a Club.

3. If I want to price comparison that's my prerogative. People complain about the pricing these days. My point is simply that to expect to be able to have this wonderful experience of being surrounded by 100+ naked women to choose from, 120 an hour is really very cheap.

4. I've been to NRW which you cite many times. Maybe I go to the wrong places. But you don't get sexy girls, fabulous (not dumps) clubs and amazing service for 30/30 in Oceans, Samya, Mondale, Babylon, LR, or indeed anywhere else I can think of or have been. So please do share the details of the top end (not dump) clubs, with top girls, who look good, who are choosing to sell sex for 30/30 instead of earning 50/30 in the clubs I just listed. You must know some smaller venues where prices are this attractive and if they are nice places with decent LU options please do let me have their names. I would love to try them! I accept that small clubs can be attractive, and you can get a great surprise, for a reasonable price. I remember great sessions in Samya when it was 50/30/75/100. But Oceans opened and killed that second 30 for 25. If those sorts of prices still exist (you say 30/30) in some nice clubs, please let us know their names.

And Vive. I don't mention it out of irrelvance. It is a fabulous club in Madrid. You will rarely be amongst so many stunning 9/10 girls from literally all over the World (not just latinas / EE). Punters there are not there because they are "desperate" and paying overinflated prices. They attend because the chance to fuck that standard of girls, and so many of them in one place, is unique. You may not be interested to know about it, but with respect, you don't speak for everyone - "no one cares. ". Punters do like to make price comparisons. It is why these forums regularly contain comments about how much people charge.

Finally I am a little surprised you even saw my post on Artemis. Why on earth would you even be looking at / reading a forum at all of a club you describe as a "dump" you would "never set my foot in"?

120 an hour is not really very cheap. It is a higher pay, with far lower taxes than any job requiring a 5-year university degree. The price is only this high because of global politicians wanting p6 to be illegal. And we can probably disagree on the reasons why that is, but market forces would easily drop the 1 HR price to about 50 e if it was legal everywhere. And perhaps even half of that if we opened our borders to immigration from much poorer countries. It is all about supply and demand where legislation is a main driver.

100 naked girls? Give me a break? In a sane world without any prejudices, we should be allowed to have this at any public beach anywhere in the world. And they'd all be fine doing you publicly for 50 e or less.

Personally I'd rather be fucking on a beach with 0 entry cost than at a closed of FKK. As of there is anything to hide. But the world had been deceived by the devil, and he doesn't like nor allow sex. It is even in the bible if you read it the right way and understands the nephilim story correctly alongside some old Sumerian texts.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]
Evan with incredible wheelnut nipples and Natasha with lovely black fishnets and pierced nipples. But nice girls though they were they were not into my personal likes and dislikes and so we passed.

Lilia was lovely but too heavy for me. Evan. Incredible nipples and very intelligent. A solid 7 pushing 8/10. The facially very attractive red head Anabel.
[/QUOTE]Love that analogy "wheelnut nipples". She has one of the best pair of tits I've ever seen. Only problem is she won't let anyone lick them as she says that they are very sensitive and gives her the goose bumps when anyone tries. The only other girl that I have seen with similar pair of tits was Helli/Kelly of Sharks.

Interesting rating on Even/Evan. Currently the hottest girl for me at Artemis. For optics, I'll probably rate her a 8.5 pushing 9/10. I like the slim gazelle types over the curvaceous porn star type bodies. Service wise she has some restrictions so not totally surprised that you passed on her. Good to hear that she is still around.

Nice report.

Howie.

[QUOTE=Howie;2348787]Love that analogy "wheelnut nipples". She has one of the best pair of tits I've ever seen. Only problem is she won't let anyone lick them as she says that they are very sensitive and gives her the goose bumps when anyone tries. The only other girl that I have seen with similar pair of tits was Helli/Kelly of Sharks.

Interesting rating on Even/Evan. Currently the hottest girl for me at Artemis. For optics, I'll probably rate her a 8.5 pushing 9/10. I like the slim gazelle types over the curvaceous porn star type bodies. Service wise she has some restrictions so not totally surprised that you passed on her. Good to hear that she is still around.

Nice report.

Howie.[/QUOTE]This Even girl what else does she look like? Blonde? Brunette? Blue eyes? Brown eyes? Nationality?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2348549]Please stop rationalizing price gouging and sharking. No one cares how much you paid in Vive (whatever that even is), or any other place where SW criminalization has let to desperate mongers willing to pay overinflated prices. The reason why people come to places like Germany, Mexico or Asia is access to reasonably priced providers.

The only reason why Artemis girls are able to get sway with bad service for 30/60 is precisely because of lack of competition and lack of variety of FKKs in Berlin. They would never be able to get away with it in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service. And that's the reason why I'd never set my foot in this dump of a club.[/QUOTE]I must agree with most just refine the dump of a club; the facility is not bad at all and we'll managed. All that has to with girls can be referred to as dump of a club, but yeah, sad reality.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2348646]And the most important is that most people like to go for half an hour and get a reasonable value for money: near zero chance to find. Most people don't want to spend 200 in the room. So, for the majority of clients, Artemis is a very difficult environment. [/QUOTE]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs.

I think most guys who go to FKKs want more than one quick 30 min session but then I'm a tourist so that's what I do and see. But if it was really all about 30 min sessions and out you wouldn't see the same guy in the club all night.

There is no doubting whatsoever that the average age in this club has gone up. But it was always higher than in NRW and Hessen, always had more silicones and girls with tattoos. I don't see that much has changed at all. Not because I have my eyes closed but because it's like it always was save for two exceptions which are that there were also a lot more younger girls mixed in than there are now and it was easier years ago to get girls going to the room for 60 with all included.

The law change in 2017 gave girls an opportunity to upsell. They do it in Artemis but they do it in a lot of other clubs too. And in some (Hamburg / Munich) it has long been the case that BBBJ is an extra you pay for. What is perhaps sad is that 5 years ago you could take a girl to the room for only 30 minutes and expect decent service. Now that is less available but I think that's the case in most clubs. I was in Palace last month and very few girls would even entertain 30 min sessions.

Ultimately you get what you pay for. I don't think FKK sex is cheap when the entry price is included. But as I posted previously. Certainly for tourists. We don't go for cheap sex, we go for the experience of being surrounded by a lot of naked women all available for sex.

I certainly haven't been to Artemis for the last time. I had two great nights there this week with many options. And I am not into old / ugly / fat girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2348675]
100 naked girls? Give me a break? In a sane world without any prejudices, we should be allowed to have this at any public beach anywhere in the world. And they'd all be fine doing you publicly for 50 e or less.

Personally I'd rather be fucking on a beach with 0 entry cost than at a closed of FKK. [/QUOTE]So would we all. But if you can tell me the name of a beach with 100+ naked women all ready to fuck you there and then for 50 e or less I'll be packing my bag! Until then. I'll continue heading to FKKs!

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2348549]in NRW, where we routinely pay 30 for 30 in many clubs and get good service.[/QUOTE]I went to several clubs in NRW, but haven't found this price structure. Could you please tell me which clubs I would have to go to?

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349044]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs..[/QUOTE]Carla should be 34-35 and that is old.

People have preferences and monetary considerations. For example, some people cum quickly and don't need more time and some people can't afford to pay more than 60, but want to enjoy the facility and have a whole day experience. Not all people that go to FKK are placed into the same bucket. They are segmented into many layers. One of the common things across these layers is people can't afford more than 60 or don't want more than 69 euro rooms for various reasons. In this world you are an outlier and that's OK. Also, maybe you don't know the difference: like I said visit NRW and then let us know how you feel. However, as a person with an FKK sample size that is measured every week, Artemis, is down from its glory days. 2009 was amazing. 2012 was great. 2015 the decline started. 2019, for most long time Artemis fans, it is simply sad to see the downward spiral. Again, truly happy you enjoyed. A me people like money domination, I don't judge them. All the best, dear friend.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2348824]This Even girl what else does she look like? Blonde? Brunette? Blue eyes? Brown eyes? Nationality?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Even is tall, skinny, has fake tits with nice big nipples, dark hair. She is Romanian. Around 25 years old.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]The facially very attractive red head Anabel. But wait for it. She was too skinny for me![/QUOTE]Hi PayForIt,

Red head Anabel? Does she has long reddish dreadlocks? She is German, tall, skinny, fake tits, around 25 years old?

[QUOTE=Karat;2349081]Hi PayForIt,

Red head Anabel? Does she has long reddish dreadlocks? She is German, tall, skinny, fake tits, around 25 years old?[/QUOTE]Anabel is natural, red hair, no deadlocks, nit very skinny as ass is a little extra. Very pretty face. You can't miss her.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349044]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs.

I think most guys who go to FKKs want more than one quick 30 min session but then I'm a tourist so that's what I do and see. But if it was really all about 30 min sessions and out you wouldn't see the same guy in the club all night.

There is no doubting whatsoever that the average age in this club has gone up. But it was always higher than in NRW and Hessen, always had more silicones and girls with tattoos. I don't see that much has changed at all. Not because I have my eyes closed but because it's like it always was save for two exceptions which are that there were also a lot more younger girls mixed in than there are now and it was easier years ago to get girls going to the room for 60 with all included..[/QUOTE]What I like about FKK set up is that you can see the girls you fuck before sex and with escort you rely on agency to choose the girl for you because you cannot tell how she look in photos of escort agencies on their websites etc.

And in FKK, you do see these escort girls working on their low season days. These girls are the best, but upsell can be extreme.

BlueBudgie made nice, balanced, very useful report of Artemis visit this past week, but posted on Berlin thread. Wish he also included names but still shows what is possible (again) if you keep calm. In case he does not copy it over, hope all read it:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=2349106&viewfull=1#post2349106[/URL]

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349044]I understand that guys like cheap sex. But its never going to be cheap in Artemis because of the 80 entry. I don't understand why any guy who just wants a quick 30 minute fuck to satisfy a need would go to an FKK at all. There a far better looking escorts in brothels which charge no entry fee. So even if you got incredibly lucky at Artemis and found a girl who gave great service for 30 minutes for 60, you'the have paid 140 for that 30 minutes due to having paid 80 to enter. Why do that? You can go to some bordellos in Berlin with flat rate 80 entry and you can fuck up to 4 girls for as long as you want. Or if you prefer a really pretty girl, pay an escort who might charge 150 for an hour but is on a higher level than most girls in FKKs..[/QUOTE]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?

I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better!

Hey guys,

I'm going to Germany in a couple of days. I'm going to Berlin first then Frankfurt.

I want to break my FKK virginity. Is Artemis worth it or should I visit the FKK's in Frankfurt?

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349595]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?

I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better![/QUOTE]That's the point exactly. Couldn't agree more. It's the "I'm Caesar" / harem feel which attracts the men. FKK sex is not cheap. There were moans and grumbles when I tried to price compare and a few guys were most unhappy about a willingness to accept rooms at more than 100/ hour. Truth is, as you say, better service and looks can be found outside, and probably for less when entrance fee is taken into account, but it is the magical feeling of being surrounded by many naked girls, all available for sex, who you can leisurely choose from. For that privilege it is worth the higher price.

[QUOTE=PrincePunt;2349604]Hey guys,

I'm going to Germany in a couple of days. I'm going to Berlin first then Frankfurt.

I want to break my FKK virginity. Is Artemis worth it or should I visit the FKK's in Frankfurt?[/QUOTE]I broke my FKK virginity in Artemis in 2013 and won't forget it. Remember the girls are older here than most FKKs. It's also the most expensive club on entry and price per session (by 10 e for every 30 minutes). I think a great intro to FKKs would be FKK World in Frankfurt. Lovely club, less hassle, but not as strong a line up as Sharks or Oase where you find much more upselling.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2349323]What I like about FKK set up is that you can see the girls you fuck before sex and with escort you rely on agency to choose the girl for you because you cannot tell how she look in photos of escort agencies on their websites etc.

And in FKK, you do see these escort girls working on their low season days. These girls are the best, but upsell can be extreme.[/QUOTE]Sorry but my experiences are completely opposite to yours, real beauty, fresh and student will never work in a FKK, the risk to meet a friend from the parents or a family member is far too high, only the girls who have nothing to lose will work in a FKK, that is why so many girls are coming from Romania. A real escort is not ready to show her body for free to everyone and she will have a significant number of regulars so no need to get fucked for 50 euros. How many french, Italian, Belgium, dutch, German girls are working in brothels or FKK in Germany, I can tell you very very few and if any she will be there for a very short time, or she has some serious mental issues.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349595]I have also thought about this, why men go to FKK when you can get much better service and higher class look girls outside?

I think that men like going to FKK because these clubs sell the harem feeling. Men go there and they like the feeling they can pick from a bunch of pussies walking around them, makes them feel like gods they can pick and fuck any girl they want. With escort girls and as Mr. Ho mentioned you have the risk the girl will not exactly look like the pic, but hey sometimes she looks even better![/QUOTE]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?

In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.

Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349793]That's the point exactly. Couldn't agree more. It's the "I'm Caesar" / harem feel which attracts the men. FKK sex is not cheap. There were moans and grumbles when I tried to price compare and a few guys were most unhappy about a willingness to accept rooms at more than 100/ hour. Truth is, as you say, better service and looks can be found outside, and probably for less when entrance fee is taken into account, but it is the magical feeling of being surrounded by many naked girls, all available for sex, who you can leisurely choose from. For that privilege it is worth the higher price.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't like that there are so many naked girls around available. I prefer to see them sexy dressed and give me the opportunity to hunt and get the trophy.

So it doesn't make so much impression to me (except from the view from behind when some girls bent over to talk or to get something. LOL LOL).

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2349836]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?

In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.

Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.[/QUOTE]Actually some really good offers. Try salon prestige less than a kilometer from Artemis. New van kampen is not so cheap, but has some beauties. If you check berlinintim and kaufmich also you can find some good offers.

Normally when you for a certain amount of tine, you get what you paid for. The only thing is that it is come and go, no chatting and choosing so much. And, there ia not whole day experience. No sauna or whirlpool after the sex and no kitchen for food.

Also, many reviews online for girls, so you can do research on services.

I find that Hamburg and Hessen have much more escort options, but Berlin is not "poor" so you can try it. Don't forget to share your findings. Good luck mate.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2349836]Much better service and higher class look girls outside? Really?

In Berlin escort girls that are "better service and higher class look girls " is way more expensive than girls at Artemis.

Be free to prove me wrong by posting links.[/QUOTE]I wasn't referring to Berlin exactly and I have no idea about the look of the escorts there. At least in my country almost all escort girls look better than what I see in Artemis and Frankfurt clubs while the service is 140/ hour and only extras are anal and CIM / COF around 20-30 euro each. So better and cheaper than aggressive and rude FKK girls. Even on some random Berlin escort sites I see some cute faces and reasonable prices.

[URL]https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escorts/berlin/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.privatmodelleberlin.com/en/[/URL]

I think most people not from Berlin goes to Artemis because of lack of knowledge regarding the rest of the p6 market in Berlin. Call it stupid tourism / business travellers if you'd like. And transportation convenience.

[QUOTE=Pksimar69;2349942]Personally I don't like that there are so many naked girls around available. I prefer to see them sexy dressed and give me the opportunity to hunt and get the trophy.

So it doesn't make so much impression to me (except from the view from behind when some girls bent over to talk or to get something. LOL LOL).[/QUOTE]It's really interesting. I monger more in Spain than I do in Germany. Quite apart from the weather normally being better, I like the girls being dressed in very elegant dresses and seeing them undress slowly in the room. But I love being surrounded by the many naked girls in an FKK too. Particularly at Oase, Sharks or World on a sunny day, lazing by the pool and watching many naked girls in the pool or walking by. I had one afternoon I shall never forget at Oase sunbathing with three slim lovely girls, they were naked, I was naked, oil rubbed everywhere (no charge), nice (paid for) BBBJ at poolside by one of them but deliberately without a finish so that I could continue to be excited by their presence. But then if I'm in FKK land for 3 days or more, I feel like the allure of naked bodies drains away. In fact I grow bored of seeing so many boobs and asses. I long for a short skirt, stockings not fully on display, elegant evening wear, a low cut top showing cleavage.

Are we never happy?! How wonderful to have the mix of two fabulous experiences on offer. I got criticised earlier this week for comparing FKKs with Vive Madrid. The best week in a year is to be able to sample the 20 or 30 girls of 9 or 10/10 standard at Vive (never seen such a collection anywhere else in the World) then hop over to DE for the naked harem. Or vice versa. Doesn't really matter!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2349796]Sorry but my experiences are completely opposite to yours, real beauty, fresh and student will never work in a FKK, the risk to meet a friend from the parents or a family member is far too high, only the girls who have nothing to lose will work in a FKK, that is why so many girls are coming from Romania. A real escort is not ready to show her body for free to everyone and she will have a significant number of regulars so no need to get fucked for 50 euros. How many french, Italian, Belgium, dutch, German girls are working in brothels or FKK in Germany, I can tell you very very few and if any she will be there for a very short time, or she has some serious mental issues.[/QUOTE]Before 2015, there used to be quite many Germans working, especially in summer months of July and August. After registration law, and even before that it is getting less and less. The reason I left Artemis in 2015 is because of decline of line up and extreme upsell that got to the level of hustling.

I am going back this late summer after long years away, I hope it will be good day. All I need is just one or two stunner to be found in large numbers of line up.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2348532]Pinball Machine: Thanks. Glad you liked the report and hope you'll like this one too..[/QUOTE]Really liked it man, thumbs up!

Natasha, what does she look like?

Any more German girls present than the ones you already mentioned?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2350282]Really liked it man, thumbs up!

Natasha, what does she look like?

Any more German girls present than the ones you already mentioned?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Natasha is mousey brown hair, slime, late 20's, sits on side of bar in the lounge (not the back side of bar with the wall close). Very sexy.

Lilia who The Cane wrote about is German from Kiel. She was there. Pretty face and lovely girl but too heavy in body for me.

Jess and her friend Arla (walk together. Only been there 2 weeks according to other girls, Both dark. Jess slimmer with lots of tattoos and piercing and long talon nails. Her friend is ok 7/10.

I'm sure there were more but I only speak to the ones who look slim / pretty!

Have a great time when you go and be sure to report back.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2350384]Lilia who The Cane wrote about is German from Kiel. She was there. Pretty face and lovely girl but too heavy in body for me.[/QUOTE]I'm not the only one to write about Lilia. Several here have. She's not one who I would describe as being "heavy", but to be fair, it's been a long while since I have seen her. She could have gained some weight.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2350062]It's really interesting. I monger more in Spain than I do in Germany. Quite apart from the weather normally being better, I like the girls being dressed in very elegant dresses and seeing them undress slowly in the room. But I love being surrounded by the many naked girls in an FKK too. Particularly at Oase, Sharks or World on a sunny day, lazing by the pool and watching many naked girls in the pool or walking by. I had one afternoon I shall never forget at Oase sunbathing with three slim lovely girls, they were naked, I was naked, oil rubbed everywhere (no charge), nice (paid for) BBBJ at poolside by one of them but deliberately without a finish so that I could continue to be excited by their presence. But then if I'm in FKK land for 3 days or more, I feel like the allure of naked bodies drains away. In fact I grow bored of seeing so many boobs and asses. I long for a short skirt, stockings not fully on display, elegant evening wear, a low cut top showing cleavage.

Are we never happy?! How wonderful to have the mix of two fabulous experiences on offer. I got criticised earlier this week for comparing FKKs with Vive Madrid. The best week in a year is to be able to sample the 20 or 30 girls of 9 or 10/10 standard at Vive (never seen such a collection anywhere else in the World) then hop over to DE for the naked harem. Or vice versa. Doesn't really matter![/QUOTE]For me it is not a matter of [URL]mix.Com[/URL]paring Vive with German FKK it is like comparing a Lexus with a Lada LOL. There is nothing more aphrodisiac for a man to win the trophy of an elegant and sexy woman. Yes you pay for that even in Vive or Globe but the look of girls is much better, Where is the stockings, the mini, the leggings and all those lovely high heels that we men love in FKK? And as you say after 3 days (for me after 30 minutes) the allure of naked bodies just drains away.

Any Mariella sightings? You or anyone else seen her? Mid twenties German blonde, pretty face, no tats, natural height, bust and build.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2350384]Natasha is mousey brown hair, slime, late 20's, sits on side of bar in the lounge (not the back side of bar with the wall close). Very sexy.

Lilia who The Cane wrote about is German from Kiel. She was there. Pretty face and lovely girl but too heavy in body for me.

Jess and her friend Arla (walk together. Only been there 2 weeks according to other girls, Both dark. Jess slimmer with lots of tattoos and piercing and long talon nails. Her friend is ok 7/10.

I'm sure there were more but I only speak to the ones who look slim / pretty!

Have a great time when you go and be sure to report back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2349794]I broke my FKK virginity in Artemis in 2013 and won't forget it. Remember the girls are older here than most FKKs. It's also the most expensive club on entry and price per session (by 10 e for every 30 minutes). I think a great intro to FKKs would be FKK World in Frankfurt. Lovely club, less hassle, but not as strong a line up as Sharks or Oase where you find much more upselling.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I've been going thru this place and I got the idea that Artemis is too pricey. If I got the time I'll try FKK world.

I saw Mariella last Saturday.

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2350487]Any Mariella sightings? You or anyone else seen her? Mid twenties German blonde, pretty face, no tats, natural height, bust and build.[/QUOTE]Should be there every day, but not Monday.

[QUOTE=PrincePunt;2350528]Thanks.

I've been going thru this place and I got the idea that Artemis is too pricey. If I got the time I'll try FKK world.[/QUOTE]World LU is terrible. Stay away. Go sharks or LR or GT.

How did she look? Did you go with her? Love when she wears her hair curly.

[QUOTE=SuppenHuhn;2350537]I saw Mariella last Saturday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PrincePunt;2350528]Thanks.

I've been going thru this place and I got the idea that Artemis is too pricey. If I got the time I'll try FKK world.[/QUOTE]But Berlin to Giesse is a long trip will cost more than the price difference of the entry or girls, better to go to Oase or Shark, World LU is significantly lower.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2350760]But Berlin to Giesse is a long trip will cost more than the price difference of the entry or girls, better to go to Oase or Shark, World LU is significantly lower.[/QUOTE]All true and the reports on the LU in World being very poor should make him think. But I suggested it as a very gentle introduction into the world of FKK. Sharks would be quite an introduction as would Oase. But the upselling and shark behaviour of the girls would not make them the best clubs for a first timer IMHO. But ultimately LU is king and if World is poor then it is to be avoided.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2350632]World LU is terrible. Stay away. Go sharks or LR or GT.[/QUOTE]LR 2019 offers the fantastic service Artemis offered me in 2009,10 and 11. And no, I do not receive commission. Or wait, the guy in the kitchen smiled and licked his lips when he asked: "do you want more sauce for your Spargel (asparagus)? I replied: "Yes baby, give me your lovely sauce, disperse it on my lovely German succulent Spargels" .

Maybe that was a sort of payment, I don't know.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2350894]LR 2019 offers the fantastic service Artemis offered me in 2009,10 and 11. [/QUOTE]I'm pleased the service is good because the main lounge is so cancer inducing with 50+ people smoking and barely an escape if its not hot that the service would need to be worth dying for. Literally. I will never return. It is like queuing up for lung cancer. The World's top 50 women could be in there and I wouldn't risk it.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2350632]World LU is terrible. Stay away. Go sharks or LR or GT.[/QUOTE]Let him try. World was my favorite club several years back but there are always the same girls around getting older and older, no more worth to spend my money and time.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2350955]I'm pleased the service is good because the main lounge is so cancer inducing with 50+ people smoking and barely an escape if its not hot that the service would need to be worth dying for. Literally. I will never return. It is like queuing up for lung cancer. The World's top 50 women could be in there and I wouldn't risk it.[/QUOTE]I always use protection at Artemis and LR: [URL]https://www.mirasafety.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2350955]I'm pleased the service is good because the main lounge is so cancer inducing with 50+ people smoking and barely an escape if its not hot that the service would need to be worth dying for. Literally. I will never return. It is like queuing up for lung cancer. The World's top 50 women could be in there and I wouldn't risk it.[/QUOTE]Same for me I am a no smoker and it is a terrible place for me, will not return.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2351185]Let him try. World was my favorite club several years back but there are always the same girls around getting older and older, no more worth to spend my money and time.[/QUOTE]Every one is free to do as they please. World was one my favorites as well. Now even that same group of girls that are very loyal group of aging girls left world in favor of Sharks. Waste of time and money and a far drive even on the weekend.

Does anyone know if Juliana (Romanian, slim, brunette and slightly crazy) is still there? Also I think she had a red haired friend with tattoos.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2351362]Every one is free to do as they please. World was one my favorites as well. Now even that same group of girls that are very loyal group of aging girls left world in favor of Sharks. Waste of time and money and a far drive even on the weekend.[/QUOTE]I think only 2 girls left to Shark but Diana, Kimberley, Roberta, Selena and many others are still there.

I have a quick question. Is the price always 60€ no matter how basic treatment you want. Can I for example offer one of the girls 20€ for handjob in the cinema or in on of the rooms?

Paid a visit to Artemis together with a friend last Friday July 26th.

Will make a report about girls later but just wanted to tell something that bothered me first.

In the outdoor pool Arab guys were bathing with their underpants on (not bathing shorts but their cotton underpants / underwear), disgusting. And when walking up from the pool area they were spitting on the pavers both near the pool and also after the stairs just before the outside dinner tables. Again disgusting behaviour.

A real pity that staff / management do not take actions against this really unpleasant behaviour. This should not be the case with an 80 euro entry fee.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2353244]Paid a visit to Artemis together with a friend last Friday July 26th.

Will make a report about girls later but just wanted to tell something that bothered me first.

In the outdoor pool Arab guys were bathing with their underpants on (not bathing shorts but their cotton underpants / underwear), disgusting. And when walking up from the pool area they were spitting on the pavers both near the pool and also after the stairs just before the outside dinner tables. Again disgusting behaviour.

A real pity that staff / management do not take actions against this really unpleasant behaviour. This should not be the case with an 80 euro entry fee.[/QUOTE]That happens quite a lot. When massage guys or security has a chance to see they will comment, but most times they don't see. Same goes in the sauna where guests, don't use a towel and go in to the pool without washing. Spit in the water. Probably [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] as well. Not much can be done.

There is no screening of guests, any sub culture individual with 80 euro and of age (18+), can enter the club.

Waiting for your girls report.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2352683]I think only 2 girls left to Shark but Diana, Kimberley, Roberta, Selena and many others are still there.[/QUOTE]No. 6-8 girls minimum left for sharks.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2353244]Jst wanted to tell something that bothered me first...A real pity that staff / management do not take actions against this really unpleasant behaviour. [/QUOTE]Why write about this here? Plenty of A staff around pool or kitchen-you could have complained when it happened, pointed out the bad people to staff or front desk, and had the evil ones expelled, imprisoned, sent to Siberia, etc.

Ninja think, of all the disgusting things that probably go on upstairs every minute, this pretty low level stuff, in chlorinated pool, or areas under hot sun. But not fan of public spitting, so Ninja stick to fucking in Statsbibliotek and safe apartment, wearing HazMat suit (ordered through Zimmerbaby, who gets discounts on these). It is a dirty world.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2353407]Why write about this here? Plenty of A staff around pool or kitchen-you could have complained when it happened, pointed out the bad people to staff or front desk, and had the evil ones expelled, imprisoned, sent to Siberia, etc.

Ninja think, of all the disgusting things that probably go on upstairs every minute, this pretty low level stuff, in chlorinated pool, or areas under hot sun. But not fan of public spitting, so Ninja stick to fucking in Statsbibliotek and safe apartment, wearing HazMat suit (ordered through Zimmerbaby, who gets discounts on these). It is a dirty world.[/QUOTE]Yes, great idea to point out a bunch of men spitting in the pool, smart too. I am actually very interested in reading this as I like to enjoy the facility and this destroys the atmosphere. So thank you for posting. Even if Ninja does not approve, I and I am sure many more like your post.

Even though, the Artemis facility is normally very clean, this is good to know.

Google reviews are by people that most likely don't know this forum are not different.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2353379]There is no screening of guests, any sub culture individual with 80 euro and of age (18+), can enter the club..[/QUOTE]In GT they have tendency to refuse some clients, how they choose is mystery. Personally, I never had any problem getting into any FKK and also I never witness any clients being refused upon entry.

However, in 10 years of German FKK experience, I only saw very very few black clients, I saw few, even spoke with some of them, but not many black clients at all in German FKK for some reason.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2353967]In GT they have tendency to refuse some clients, how they choose is mystery. Personally, I never had any problem getting into any FKK and also I never witness any clients being refused upon entry.

However, in 10 years of German FKK experience, I only saw very very few black clients, I saw few, even spoke with some of them, but not many black clients at all in German FKK for some reason.[/QUOTE]GT rejects middle eastern looking people.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2354106]GT rejects middle eastern looking people.[/QUOTE]I wonder why that is. Maybe something must happened before.

Also at Oceans, it says with big sign by the reception that no biker gangs are allowed in.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2353407]Why write about this here? Plenty of A staff around pool or kitchen-you could have complained when it happened, pointed out the bad people to staff or front desk, and had the evil ones expelled, imprisoned, sent to Siberia, etc.

Ninja think, of all the disgusting things that probably go on upstairs every minute, this pretty low level stuff, in chlorinated pool, or areas under hot sun. But not fan of public spitting, so Ninja stick to fucking in Statsbibliotek and safe apartment, wearing HazMat suit (ordered through Zimmerbaby, who gets discounts on these). It is a dirty world.[/QUOTE]I wrote about it because I hope management sometimes read this forum and because it bothered me. Me and my friend both paid an 80 Euro entrance fee but neither one of us wanted to use the pool that Arabian guys were in their underpants, and then they were spitting on the pavers. Disgusting, filthy behaviour that took away the good feeling of relaxing in the club before having sex with the chicks.

Plenty of A-staff around? Is that a bad joke? Fact is that there are no staff around the pool area and inside only bar girls and the front-desk-lady. Kitchen "staff" visible during breakfast and dinner time but they do not care about guests pool-behaviour. The only time you see security or "management" is when they fetch a plate of coffee or drinks from the bar. Maybe they deal with drunk or rude guys on late hours, that I do not know.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2353244]Paid a visit to Artemis together with a friend last Friday July 26th.

Will make a report about girls later but just wanted to tell something that bothered me first.

In the outdoor pool Arab guys were bathing with their underpants on (not bathing shorts but their cotton underpants / underwear), disgusting. And when walking up from the pool area they were spitting on the pavers both near the pool and also after the stairs just before the outside dinner tables. Again disgusting behaviour.

A real pity that staff / management do not take actions against this really unpleasant behaviour. This should not be the case with an 80 euro entry fee.[/QUOTE]This is happening more and more often in most of the clubs, that it is why also a lot of senior mongers prefer to stay outside the clubs starting by me. Shark, Ocean, Samya, Oase, even World are really experiencing those kind of clients mostly Friday and Saturday evening.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2354822]neither one of us wanted to use the pool that Arabian guys were in their underpants, and then they were spitting on the pavers. Disgusting, filthy behaviour that took away the good feeling of relaxing in the club before having sex with the chicks.Plenty of A-staff around? Is that a bad joke? Fact is that there are no staff around the pool area [/QUOTE]

First, side remark on unimportant details that go against the forum's purpose of complaining how awful all is: recommend Fana, RO, dark hair, booberiffic MILF, great service, fair price.

Now, just remember those same disgusting guys are sometimes upstairs with the girls you seek. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ninja observe many times at least 2 staff go through pool area at least every 20-30 min to collect drink glasses, and every hour to collect towels from back shower areas. So plenty of chance to report. You can yes go to bar or front desk. You can fill out complaint / suggestion form. Just enough now here.

I am from Brazil, I am interested to go to Germany before going to Thailand but heard law changed, now girls don't offer BBBJ anymore. I can't fuck a girl without BBBJ.

How common is BBBJ in Germany? Especially in FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2355112]I am from Brazil, I am interested to go to Germany before going to Thailand but heard law changed, now girls don't offer BBBJ anymore. I can't fuck a girl without BBBJ.

How common is BBBJ in Germany? Especially in FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Very common, as long as you pay a bit more like 20 to 40 euro more depending on girls and how you negotiate.

I am a sucker for BBBJ too.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2355144]Very common, as long as you pay a bit more like 20 to 40 euro more depending on girls and how you negotiate.

I am a sucker for BBBJ too.[/QUOTE]No need ever to pay more. Although of course some girls will ask extra for almost everything.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2355112]I am from Brazil, I am interested to go to Germany before going to Thailand but heard law changed, now girls don't offer BBBJ anymore. I can't fuck a girl without BBBJ.

How common is BBBJ in Germany? Especially in FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]Sem camisinha is normal but some will insist on condom to get more money from you.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2355106]First, side remark on unimportant details that go against the forum's purpose of complaining how awful all is: recommend Fana, RO, dark hair, booberiffic MILF, great service, fair price.

Now, just remember those same disgusting guys are sometimes upstairs with the girls you seek. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ninja observe many times at least 2 staff go through pool area at least every 20-30 min to collect drink glasses, and every hour to collect towels from back shower areas. So plenty of chance to report. You can yes go to bar or front desk. You can fill out complaint / suggestion form. Just enough now here.[/QUOTE]Quite honestly, we do not abide or live by Ninja rules. Most of us here actually find his post beneficial. Ninja, if you don't like, you do not have to read, but as long as forum moderators allow the post because it has no derogatory language and users find it informative, it will be nice if you stop this dictator approach of already second time telling the guy what to write. Please let it be amigo. "Arghhhhhhhhh" and "Just enough now here" not your job to set the rules. It happens in many clubs and many of these types are rude and aggressive. No normal person want to deal with them directly or indirectly. But you are more than welcome to follow your own advice and fill the form and go to reception and do whatever pleases you. People have different methods of solving different problems and some people like to share it here. It is their right. Cheers mate.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2355286]No need ever to pay more..[/QUOTE]That would be ideal. It is like that in NRW FKK.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2354822]I wrote about it because I hope management sometimes read this forum and because it bothered me. Me and my friend both paid an 80 Euro entrance fee but neither one of us wanted to use the pool that Arabian guys were in their underpants, and then they were spitting on the pavers. Disgusting, filthy behaviour that took away the good feeling of relaxing in the club before having sex with the chicks.

Plenty of A-staff around? Is that a bad joke? Fact is that there are no staff around the pool area and inside only bar girls and the front-desk-lady. Kitchen "staff" visible during breakfast and dinner time but they do not care about guests pool-behaviour. The only time you see security or "management" is when they fetch a plate of coffee or drinks from the bar. Maybe they deal with drunk or rude guys on late hours, that I do not know.[/QUOTE]The new customers of most of the clubs and prostitutes are with migration background, the world is changing rapidly, we have to adapt or to find other places, I have already chosen the second option, I hate having to fight with uneducated guys, full of negative testosterone, feeling strong when they are in groups. No showering nude.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2355293]Quite honestly, we do not abide or live by Ninja rules. Most of us here actually find his post beneficial. [/QUOTE]And Ninja has right to say there are other, better ways to deal with this. Not "rules" but different view based on facts. This thread has become 90% complaining vs reviews to help people, such as PayforIt's some weeks back. Best would be to start new thread "Why I hate Artemis" and then you all can just go crazy. But Danny, Ninja thank you because you help make decision to quit forum easy. Just completely fed up with how silly and useless this thread has become, just full of pointless anger and frustration, and waste of time to read. So as you need always to have last word, you have it. Done, ciao, syonara.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2355484]And Ninja has right to say there are other, better ways to deal with this. Not "rules" but different view based on facts. This thread has become 90% complaining vs reviews to help people, such as PayforIt's some weeks back. Best would be to start new thread "Why I hate Artemis" and then you all can just go crazy. But Danny, Ninja thank you because you help make decision to quit forum easy. Just completely fed up with how silly and useless this thread has become, just full of pointless anger and frustration, and waste of time to read. So as you need always to have last word, you have it. Done, ciao, syonara.[/QUOTE]Mister Ninja has the absolute right to express an opinion like all of us, even a strong opinion. Mister Ninja does not have the right, absolutely not, to tell people what to write. And please excuse me, but if you are "fed up" and all the other very descriptive language you use, you also have the absolute right to stop using this thread. Now really, please, let people be. You can force others. Cheers mate.

OK, looks like I arrived in a not so great moment. I've been following Ninja's posts for months while unregistered and the day I joined he decided to quit. Really bad timing.

I would like to share my experience visiting Artemis by the end of last July, in a Sunday.

I saw a post saying that there's no point in recommending girls, but I think that's the only fair way of doing a bit of advertising to the most professional ones. Of course, your experience may vary depending on many factors, like how much you would like to expend, how was her mood in the day and even how much she liked you.

I arrived at the club around 4 PM and, after taking a shower and putting my robe, went to the main bar which was a bit empty. Talked to some girls who approached me, from places like Hungary, Moldova and Romania. A Czech girl, Nicole, almost convinced me of going upstairs. She appears to have a natural body, medium-sized boobs, and looks this "girl who was kinda ugly in high school so I put I lot of effort in looking nice now that I'm an adult". The problem is that I was a bit tired and wanted to rest, sitting and observing the girls around for a while.

One thing that really caught my attention, while sitting at the bar, is that people seems to love Annabelle, the Latvian (or German, depending how you consider someone who moved to another country as a kid) red-headed skinny girl with an almost unbelievable pretty face. She doesn't stay by the bar for more than 5 minutes straight. When she gets there, it's for sure that someone will immediately approach her and ask to go upstairs. I saw this happening at least twice before I would be able to talk to her. Other girls sit there for hours, literally, and get no customers.

Knowing that I would have to wait a bit more to see Annabelle, I went downstairs, thinking about enjoying a sauna. I immediately gave up on this idea when I saw an old guy jerking off in there. Thinking that it would be nice to just lay down by the indoor pool hearing the waterfall sound, I tried to relax. A couple minutes later, a Jamaican girl came poking my shoulder and trying to make conversation. I talked a bit to her and said that by that moment I would prefer to rest. A few moments later, the same girl again poked my shoulder, pointing to Nicole, who was asking why I was laying down there and not having fun upstairs. Like, really, how hard it is to understand that someone who is almost falling asleep doesn't want to be bothered?

Realizing that it would be impossible to rest in there, I went back to the bar. Annabelle returned to there almost at the same time as me, and seeing I was looking at her, came to talk to me. To be honest, I was a bit afraid that she could be one of those rude girls. She is clearly the most cute girl in there, easily top 1%, so I thought she might be too full of herself. But boy, how wrong I was! She's one the most lovely and sympathetic girls I ever met. Clearly the kind of girl you would like to bring to family barbecues in the weekend and walk holding hands in a shopping mall.

Talking about her services, someone mentioned here a few days ago, that no matter what you pay to her, you get nothing. I'm not sure what would be that definition of "nothing", cause she was really straight when defining what she does or not for money. She charges 40 for BBBJ, but it's not up for anal. She said she also doesn't like DATY, which is really sad as I really wanted to shove my face in her lightly-pink-almost-just-white pussy. One thing that she's not good is at handjobs, as I'm not sure why, as even with oil she almost hurt my dick. Even though, I spent two hours (standard 120/ h) with her and, together with the extra plus tip, paid her 300. Bonus points for how cute is she giving many little kisses (not DFK) with her gorgeous lips.

When leaving the room, I took a shower and went to the external pool, which was way more crowded than the bar. I guess many people don't really see a point in staying inside a building during summer. After eating barbecue, I went back to the bar, where I talked to this Iranian / Turkish girl which I can't remember the name, but she's so different than the other girls that you can't miss her. She has a really well distributed body, with a big butt. It took me a while to grasp the prices for her services, as she explain them in a somewhat confusing way. She said something like ". *60 for half an hour basics, but for 120 we can do everything except anal and if you want no condom is 50 extra". I was a bit afraid of this "no condom" thing, until I realized that she meant BBBJ. When I asked how much would be the price for one hour, she said that it would also be 120, which made the explanation even more confusing.

I was positively surprised in the room with her. She's probably the girl who most like sex I ever heard of. Putting the condom with her own mouth, she sucked me like there's no tomorrow. I never put my dick in a vacuum cleaner, but I guess it would be a reasonable comparison. When doing doggy, she has this "no hands thing", where she uses her butt to position your dick and then suck it inside her pussy. Maybe that's a known pompoir technique, but I had never seen before. It's truly amazing. She's also really good at expressing how much she's enjoying DATY and smiling at you all the time. Top-notch service. By the end I stayed for one hour and, together with tip, paid her 150.

After these three hours, plus the time I spent lurking at the bar and both pools, I left there a little after 10 PM. Spent 450 (not counting the 80 entrance) and went home happy for meeting a super-cute girl that could totally be a Hollywood star or at least a highly-successful model and another totally crazy-for-sex chick.

As a wise man once said: "most of my money I spent on women and drinks. All the rest I wasted".

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2355484]And Ninja has right to say there are other, better ways to deal with this. Not "rules" but different view based on facts. This thread has become 90% complaining vs reviews to help people, such as PayforIt's some weeks back. Best would be to start new thread "Why I hate Artemis" and then you all can just go crazy. But Danny, Ninja thank you because you help make decision to quit forum easy. Just completely fed up with how silly and useless this thread has become, just full of pointless anger and frustration, and waste of time to read. So as you need always to have last word, you have it. Done, ciao, syonara.[/QUOTE]Sadly over the past couple of years this forum has changed. To be fair, that probably reflects the downturn of the club itself. But what this forum can least afford is for experienced contributors. And in that I include both Ninja and Danny, to jump ship. I therefore ask Ninja to reconsider his decision to leave the forum. His contributions have been very valuable to others.

If a restaurant was once the best in town, but now plods along in 4th place, it doesn't mean the food there became bad or the place should be avoided. Artemis is not as good as it was 5 years ago. That cannot seriously be disputed I don't think by any of us. But it is not awful and a great time can be had there. It just needs more effort than before.

I would say this: I'm not sure it was ever without silicones or tattoos! At least when I first visited in 2013 (oh the memory!) those features were present then. But not as much as now and there were indeed younger girls as Mr Ho often has commented.

The real problem at this club is the total lack of competition. If Sharks started having 50%+ older girls for example, it would close quickly. Punters would soon divert to the other options (6 of them! So the management at Artemis don't need to try too hard. What I find most odd is that Berlin is such a better City to be in than Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Cologne and yet it doesn't attract the better looking girls even though prices in Artemis are a little higher than elsewhere. So I can only think that the management do not encourage younger, slimmer girls to work there. I recall discussing this with a very intelligent girl in Sharks one night. She said she worked in the club days and returned to Frankfurt because there was a very hard-lined clique of German girls at Artemis and often newcomers are made to feel awkward / unwanted. Maybe that got around and girls don't want it. Or maybe its the tough regime on health. Artemis insists all girls are tested for infections every couple of weeks.

But bashing the club constantly really doesn't help any of us. Indeed it is more likely to cause less punters to visit. That in turn means less decent looking girls will ever want to work there. And so on. I don't ask anyone to lie and say it's become Nirvana overnight. But it would help greatly if senior members who attend post about girls they have enjoyed even if they did have to hunt them out a bit more.

I had two fabulous nights there recently and although I sessioned twice with Carla (once in a threesome) there were more than enough girls I would have been happy to also try such that had I been there 5 days I would have had a good time and a lot of different girls. And I'm picky! I don't go with fat girls, and I don't much like big silicones. But I still missed out on several very attractive girls. It's really not all that bad. Not as good as it was, but far from bad.

I hope Ninja and Danny agree to down their battle gear and get back to the club and let us have some great reports on their experiences. Ninja. If you do leave this forum I personally wish you well and hope you will return and I thank you for your valuable contributions. Hopefully you'll reconsider.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2355484]And Ninja has right to say there are other, better ways to deal with this. Not "rules" but different view based on facts. This thread has become 90% complaining vs reviews to help people, such as PayforIt's some weeks back. Best would be to start new thread "Why I hate Artemis" and then you all can just go crazy. But Danny, Ninja thank you because you help make decision to quit forum easy. Just completely fed up with how silly and useless this thread has become, just full of pointless anger and frustration, and waste of time to read. So as you need always to have last word, you have it. Done, ciao, syonara.[/QUOTE]No baby, please don't go. We need reliable sources / esteemed senior members. You are mucho importante organ donor for p4p in Berlin in general. Just calm down, listen to this "Tribute to Nooky". Imagine I hold you, stare in your eyes and sing this for you:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlHcYjA3lWQ[/URL]

Can you imagine the beautiful scene where I play this Spanish guitar for you while wearing the white Artemis robe? Yes baby, please stay.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2355533]Sadly over the past couple of years this forum has changed. To be fair, that probably reflects the downturn of the club itself. But what this forum can least afford is for experienced contributors. And in that I include both Ninja and Danny, to jump ship. I therefore ask Ninja to reconsider his decision to leave the forum. His contributions have been very valuable to others.

If a restaurant was once the best in town, but now plods along in 4th place, it doesn't mean the food there became bad or the place should be avoided. Artemis is not as good as it was 5 years ago. That cannot seriously be disputed I don't think by any of us. But it is not awful and a great time can be had there. It just needs more effort than before.

I would say this: I'm not sure it was ever without silicones or tattoos! At least when I first visited in 2013 (oh the memory!) those features were present then. But not as much as now and there were indeed younger girls as Mr Ho often has commented..[/QUOTE]Zimmerbaby, you are just too funny, thanks.

Now, nobody is jumping from any ships and no need to be melodramatic. One of the most fun and interesting features of healthy communication is the freedom of expression. The influx of many converging opinions. People can say what they want.

I am one that is know to express a strong opinion or disagree, but there is a long way to allow, disallowing, forbidding, etc' is going to far. Lets put things in perspective, we all want to fuck, we all want to get good service and we all have an opinion after we do that. How about we keep it light and let people fuck, enjoy, eat, shit and freely express their opinions. It is only pussy. Have fun guys.

Well, every forum has its polizei, and in this one it is Nooky.

But hey nooky, when was your last report of visiting Artemis?

Please feel free to make a visit and then a perfect report of that and telling all staff members of everything that bothers you and then fill out several pages of questionnaires before you head back to home.

Wold be appreciated.

[QUOTE=ZimmerBaby;2355545]No baby, please don't go. We need reliable sources / esteemed senior members. [/QUOTE]Well looking back I think he deserves more of a request to stay than many others! But I did smile at your post at least.

Here is the real issue. With the exception of one brand new poster, I went back 6 pages and I can only find my own reports on visits and girls. The forum is meant to be about information sharing for mutual benefit. Currently, it's not. It's about moaning about how things have declined, or recently one guy taking the trouble to log onto this forum to attack this "dump" of a club and say he'the never return. He didn't reply when I asked what on earth he is doing reading contributions to a forum for a club he will never attend!

So people can express views, hard line views, honest thoughts, comments on shit around the pool, etc but the truth is that almost NOTHING is volunteered in this forum currently which either encourages people to attend the club, or gives them advice on who to session with when they do. Oh for the days in the Oase thread when Syzygies and others posted long lists of girls and rated them. It would really be great to get back to people posting about the girls.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2355533]S

I would say this: I'm not sure it was ever without silicones or tattoos! At least when I first visited in 2013 (oh the memory!) those features were present then. But not as much as now and there were indeed younger girls as Mr Ho often has commented..[/QUOTE]I am going to Artemis after 4 years of avoiding Artemis this late summer, so I will let you guys know how it improved back to how it was in early 2010's. Or how they did not change, but got even worst.

All I am asking Artemis is throw in few, just 2 or 3 real beautiful model type stunner German girls like there used to be few of in vast diverse line up of Artemis.

As for facility, for me, I prefer Artemis the most in Germany and Berlin is my favorite city in Germany so, it will be nice to see my old once upon a time favorite club Artemis back on track.

It is always too sad to see good club turned bad like what a waste and spoil of beautiful good thing. It all went odd after polizei raiding Artemis.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2356161]I am going to Artemis after 4 years of avoiding Artemis this late summer, so I will let you guys know how it improved back to how it was in early 2010's. Or how they did not change, but got even worst.

All I am asking Artemis is throw in few, just 2 or 3 real beautiful model type stunner German girls like there used to be few of in vast diverse line up of Artemis.

As for facility, for me, I prefer Artemis the most in Germany and Berlin is my favorite city in Germany so, it will be nice to see my old once upon a time favorite club Artemis back on track.

It is always too sad to see good club turned bad like what a waste and spoil of beautiful good thing. It all went odd after polizei raiding Artemis.[/QUOTE]I think that you have too much money and free time, no need to go there it is just a tourist trap.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2355748]Well looking back I think he deserves more of a request to stay than many others! But I did smile at your post at least.

Here is the real issue. With the exception of one brand new poster, I went back 6 pages and I can only find my own reports on visits and girls. The forum is meant to be about information sharing for mutual benefit. Currently, it's not. It's about moaning about how things have declined, or recently one guy taking the trouble to log onto this forum to attack this "dump" of a club and say he'the never return. He didn't reply when I asked what on earth he is doing reading contributions to a forum for a club he will never attend!

So people can express views, hard line views, honest thoughts, comments on shit around the pool, etc but the truth is that almost NOTHING is volunteered in this forum currently which either encourages people to attend the club, or gives them advice on who to session with when they do. Oh for the days in the Oase thread when Syzygies and others posted long lists of girls and rated them. It would really be great to get back to people posting about the girls.[/QUOTE]Reports are not only about girls, they are about overall experience. If people say in such a sweeping majority that Artemis is down from its glory days and sunk into the abyss, then one, it might help people make smart destination decisions (these trips are not cheap and most of us use vacation days) and two it is peoples way to provide a review that expresses there gratitude or disappointment, just like a restaurant.

Also, most people are tourists that don't know girl names or remember them.

Oase days with lists still happen on Oase threads in German language forums. Artemis never had lists of names for the same reason, not many English speaking repeat clients. And not as many German repeat clients as in Oase or its parallels because most German customers refuse to pay the Artemis absence prices.

Will be great to have detailed girl lists for Artemis but the reality is that we never had them and most likely never will.

All clubs are on the decline at the moment, but Artemis is leading the way proudly.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2356538]I think that you have too much money and free time, no need to go there it is just a tourist trap.[/QUOTE]Well, I already bought ticket and hotel room, so I am going buddy, but I will try to make best out of it. I got so much good memories there since year 2009 to 2015.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2356809]Reports are not only about girls, they are about overall experience. If people say in such a sweeping majority that Artemis is down from its glory days and sunk into the abyss, then one, it might help people make smart destination decisions (these trips are not cheap and most of us use vacation days) and two it is peoples way to provide a review that expresses there gratitude or disappointment, just like a restaurant.

Also, most people are tourists that don't know girl names or remember them.

Oase days with lists still happen on Oase threads in German language forums. Artemis never had lists of names for the same reason, not many English speaking repeat clients. And not as many German repeat clients as in Oase or its parallels because most German customers refuse to pay the Artemis absence prices.

Will be great to have detailed girl lists for Artemis but the reality is that we never had them and most likely never will.

All clubs are on the decline at the moment, but Artemis is leading the way proudly.[/QUOTE]I would not say all clubs, Oase is improving a bit for girls behavior on 2019, Andiamo Villach was a rather good surprise, but Wellcum became Austrian Sharks: quantity but lack of quality, even I might be very unlucky if I missed Mila for few days. Only 1 girl could have changed from disappointment to pleasure, but so average casting with lack of pretty faces, like at Sharks. Not only Artemis falling, even silicon show Globe is not on top on this Summer, but Freubad north Bern was a really good surprise with a rare pleasure, before room, for love in bed, and even after room, like lovers, she discovering sexuality. Can still find real pleasures even not so often now.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2357660]I would not say all clubs, Oase is improving a bit for girls behavior on 2019, Andiamo Villach was a rather good surprise, but Wellcum became Austrian Sharks: quantity but lack of quality, even I might be very unlucky if I missed Mila for few days. Only 1 girl could have changed from disappointment to pleasure, but so average casting with lack of pretty faces, like at Sharks. Not only Artemis falling, even silicon show Globe is not on top on this Summer, but Freubad north Bern was a really good surprise with a rare pleasure, before room, for love in bed, and even after room, like lovers, she discovering sexuality. Can still find real pleasures even not so often now.[/QUOTE]I agree overall.

Yep, I actually heard Andiamo was good for a while now. For me, Oase has been on a very strong decline in the last years, of course I have some good days if I get lucky with the girls. But overall, it is a downward sloping line with some spikes or good data points. Probability to get. A good room is gradually declining.

Wellcum was bad for me last time, but I still manage to have good days at sharks.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2358052]I agree overall.

Yep, I actually heard Andiamo was good for a while now. For me, Oase has been on a very strong decline in the last years, of course I have some good days if I get lucky with the girls. But overall, it is a downward sloping line with some spikes or good data points. Probability to get. A good room is gradually declining.

Wellcum was bad for me last time, but I still manage to have good days at sharks.[/QUOTE]New management at Andiamo, free alcohol on August, even whisky or vodka, so drunk guys at night. Sara asked me to help her: can You stay with me, so the drunk left because she was with me, after I saved her day with our room as she said, 190 € and violent orgasmus. But complicated to get kissing at Andiamo, more than at Wellcum. I find some girls have better behavior at Oase on 2019 . Lack of beauties for me at Sharks, unfortunately. I found prettier at Oase on 2019.

First time to a FKK, so I might not be as jaded / used to the good old days as some reporters here. I'm also fine with CBJ as I once caught the clap from a BBJ, and while I don't usually turn it down unless a girl looks very unclean, a CBJ doesn't bother me too much.

The cons.

1) Drink price is expensive at 10 e a drink. Granted, they don't skimp on the alcohol, but still. Makes it very expensive if you're reasonably tolerant and want to have a light buzz going throughout 7-8 hours.

2) Lineup is indeed silicone heavy, and generally older girls. For some people that might be fine, but I prefer natural / young, even if it means they don't look like models.

3) I went on a Monday night, and there weren't that many girls. Wish I'd been in Berlin on a Thursday, but wasn't to be. Still a fair amount of guys, definitely more men than women.

4) Food isn't great, but it isn't terrible either.

5) Some of the older, uglier girls can approach you and try to convince you to session them, however a polite but firm no sends them away.

6) For non smokers like me, the bar is smokey. Not the worst thing I've ever experienced, but if you're sensitive it could be an issue, especially as this is where 80% of the girls hang out.

The pros:

1) It really is a magical experience being surrounded by attractive naked woman, knowing you can fuck any of them. Regardless of people saying FKK's are going down hill, I still think it's an experience everyone should try at least once!

2) I sessioned 3 ladies and all of them were fair and gave me exactly what they said they would. One was a GFE for 110 e for 30 minutes, the other two just the standard covered fuck and suck for 60 e. They would chat with me until I asked them for their services, then list them with details.

3) The 3 ladies I did session were all fun, friendly, cute and polite, both out of room and in room. I didn't get any clock watching vibes nor did it feel mechanical. It wasn't the most passionate love making I've ever had, but pretty good for someone I'd only known for 10 minutes. They were all happy to blow me as long as I wanted, and would happily move to any position I wanted.

4) Facilities are great, outdoor pool, indoor pool, jacuzzi, sauna, kino all feel modern and clean. I never got bothered when relaxing in those areas. The rooms themselves are also pretty luxe, and with mirrors so you get some nice visuals.

5) A little thing, but it was easily accessible by public transport, which can save up to 50 e on return cab rides for a tourist like me.

Overall I liked the experience, I probably wouldn't go there more than once a month due to bad VFM if I was a local, but it's definitely got me interested in experiencing other FKK's!

(Sorry I didn't remember any of the names of the girls, but I went with one Ukrainian and two Bulgarians).

First of all let me begin by saying thank you to everyone on this forum. I have been reading the reports on here for the last 15 years! After all those years of hoping to find a travel buddy to join me to ease the daunting task of traveling solo I finally decided to just say fuck it and go by myself! I am so glad I did! I come from Southern California so proximity is definitely an issue for me. This post will include different visits to the club on different timelines. I booked a trip to the city of Berlin for a week in Germany. I studied a bit of German during my undergrad years so I have a little knowledge of the basics. This was all fun as I began to use it during my arrival to the city and what not. As I had been planning for years to visit this great club a quite substantial budget was brought along as well.

I ended up going to Artemis 5 days total during the week that I was there. Now that I look back I should have minimized the days of the visits to save on the entry fee and use that money towards more of the girls but hey it was my first time there so it is what it is. I must also add that as a Latino male with a darker complexion this did bring initial worries about discrimination in the country and the club. So glad I was WRONG! I have also read many recent reports about the club going downhill but I am glad to say that for me every encounter with the exception of 1 was very positive for me.

I went each day at 11 when they opened and left at around 5. I know this probably limited my choices but not a fan of crowded areas so that's what I did.

First day Sunday June 10,2018.

I walked in to the club and after paying I saw what looked like a traditional strip club. BEAUTIFUL women walking around but they were NAKED! I must also add that as a darker male I have always had fantasies about having relations with white women with blonde hair and blue or green eyes. So because of this I definitely was picky at first but that quickly became a non factor for me. As I walked into the lounge area where they serve drinks I was immediately overwhelmed by the women inside. All eyes were on me and it was too much to handle so I walked directly to the pool area through the lounge and stayed outside for a few minutes. Once I gathered myself together I went back inside and sat down. I was quickly approached by a Hungarian woman with glasses. She was on the heavier side with glasses so she wasn't my type. I was nice however and told her that I was going to wait a little before making a decision. After several minutes she got a bit upset and eventually walked away. She would later see my around in the club and was clearly not happy about not choosing her LOL. Almost immediately as the Hungarian girl walked away a tall BLONDE girl came to sit down with me. As she fit my criteria mentioned earlier I made the jump immediately and went to a room.

Girl 1 Very tall and thin from Germany but unfortunately forgot her name. She had a onesie that she kept on during the entire encounter which I did not mind at all.

60 as I wanted only basic to break the ice. I was very satisfied as she was very vocal and into it and pretty much let me do whatever I wanted!

Girl 2 Turkish Girl who wears really big high heels. 150 for 1 hour with BBBJ with massage included. I know I overpaid but did not do it again with any other girls but luckily the service was great.

She was very vocal as well and the BBBJ was nothing special but it was there and real! She also allowed me to do anything I wanted so was satisfied as well.

Tuesday June 12,2018. This was the BEST day I have ever had with the exception of one girl.

Girl 1 Amy from Stuttgart. Probably the most gorgeous woman I have ever seen in my opinion.

Paid my entry and immediately went downstairs to check out the sauna area as the club had literally just opened. Amy was downstairs and a quick "hallo" was exchanged and I continued walking. I quickly realized how stupid this was and ran back to Amy. She was about to walk up the stairs back to the lounge. She could tell that it was love at first sight and asked if I wanted to go with her.

60 for basic. Amy's personality is amazing which made the experience with her that much better. Her covered oral was great her eye contact was amazing. Seeing those blue eyes stare at me while she was sucking on my member were too much for me to handle. She would laugh as each time she would do it I would break eye contract. I could not believe this was real and not a dream. Asked for her to get on top and literally lasted about a minute. As this was the most beautiful girl I was not able to last LOL.

Girl 2 Tall Hungarian woman. Only negative experience. Forgot her name.

60 for basic. This girl was very attractive so when she asked me to go upstairs I quickly agreed. Once she realized I did not want any extras her tone changed. Her oral was very fast and we moved to doggy. I was literally thrusting for about a minute when she pulled away and said I would have to extend the time if I wanted to continue. I did not agree and laughed when she asked for a tip. Paid her basic and sent her away.

Girl 3 Jada from Lebanon.

After my negative experience with the tall Hungarian woman I was approached by Jada. The funny thing is the tall Hungarian woman is a friend of Jada's and when she saw me with Jada she told her something about me in German. Jada asked me what happened and I told her about the situation. Jada said that for some girls time is money to which I agreed.

60 for basic with Jada. Jada was very nice. Covered oral was great and quickly went for doggy. My member was still hard from the previous negative experience so I quickly finished with Jada within about a minute LOL.

Girl 4 Very muscular German woman. Curly blonde hair and did not speak English so had to use my limited German.

60 for basic. I had my eyes on this woman the entire visit and made sure to go with her when she finally approached me. It is funny because although I am in my early 30's I do look still look like a high school student. This woman has to be in her mid 40's if not maybe 50's LOL. As we went upstairs we had everyone staring at us the girls and the mongers LOL. This woman was one of my better sessions. Her covered oral was great and she positioned herself so that I could see her pussy from the mirror. I made sure to grab and squeeze her ass and not once did she complain. We moved to doggy and I made sure to pound her very hard. She took all of it like a champ!

As I was leaving a black haired greek girl asked to go upstairs. I told her the next day as I was very tired and would be coming back.

Wednesday June 13.

I walked in and made it a mission to find Amy. I would not be so lucky as she was constantly going upstairs for long periods of time.

Girl 1 Black Haired Greek Girl. Forgot her name.

She was surprised to see that I followed up on my word to see her and we went upstairs. She offered anal but I explained that this is not something appeals to me.

60 for basic. Her oral was great but she went down licked my balls. This was a new experience for me that I rewarded her with a tip LOL. Soon moved to doggy and she was very vocal and showed pleasure. Pounded her hard and paid her for her services.

Girl 2 Romanian Girl from Bucharest with Bangs. Sits on the stools with a friend at the entrance of the lounge. Forgot her name.

This girl was not really my type but I decided to go with her. 60 for basic. She allowed me to do whatever I wanted.

Girl 3. Skinny blonde from Berlin. Forgot name.

This woman was very beautiful as well. I ranked her almost up there with Amy.

60 for basic. Offered BBBJ to which I said no. As soon as she began her covered oral I regretted my decision. Lots of eye contact just like Amy which made it a great session. Was not able to finish but she gave a handjob to completion.

Thursday June 14 and Friday June 15.

Amy again LOL.

I decided that Amy would be the only girl I would see. I sat down on the stools next to the lounge to make sure that I saw her as she walked in. The Romanian girl and her friend asked me who I was waiting for her and claimed they did not know her. They chatted with me until Amy finally arrived. Amy instantly asked me if I was looking for her the day before to which I said yes but that she was very busy so I couldn't see her.

Thursday and Friday decided to do an hour session each day with Amy. Same great personality and lots of eye contact during the sessions. I informed Amy that I would be leaving the next day and he jokingly said "see you again when?" I told her in November and off I went.

Overall this was a very positive experience for me. All of the girls were great with the exception of the one tall Hungarian woman. I know I made a rookie mistake by going up immediately with the girls but glad it worked out for me.

Immediately booked another trip to Berlin for November 2018. I made it a mission to see Amy again LOL which was a mistake as she was on vacation.

I also decided to limit the large number of visits to two as I quickly realized I could have used that entry fee money for more sessions when I went in June.

Day 1 Thursday November 22,2018.

Arrived to Artemis feeling like a champ ready to pound Amy again! After several hours of not seeing her and telling other girls I was not interested I decided to ask the receptionist. Very nice older lady with short hair and glasses. She told me she was not sure about Amy but to ask her later. Later one she gave me the unfortunate news that Amy was not in town.

I took my losses and began to look around thought the club. In the stairs I was approached two German women. One was Mariella from Hamburg and her friend to which I forgot her name.

Mariella asked if I wanted the two of them to which I did not agree on and off they went.

Girl 1 Mariella from Hamburg.

Several minutes later I decided that I wanted to go upstairs with Mariella. She had darker blonde hair but she still matched my criteria of having blue / green eyes and blonde hair LOL.

Upstairs Mariella offered BBBJ to which I said yes immediately. This was probably one of my best orals I have ever experienced. Mariella made a lot of eye contact just like Amy and I also was unable to believe this was happening again! She allowed to play with her body and she was going down on my member and we soon moved to doggy. During doggy Mariella stared at me the entire time while I stared back at times which allowed me to pound her even harder with each thrust! 110 for half with BBBJ which I was very happy to do so.

About an hour later I decide to go with Mariella and did a repeat of the previous session again. It was amazing again.

As I was leaving the friend of Mariella informed me that Mariella had told her I was very nice and respectable and because of that she wanted to go with me as well.

I informed her that I was leaving but that I would gladly go with her the next day.

Day 2.

Walked in and immediately went downstairs for a nap. Woke up and saw the muscular older German woman from my June 2018 visit. I remembered what a great session that was with her so I decided to approach her and go with her again.

Girl 1 Older muscular German woman blonde curly hair. Forgot her name. No English so had to use my limited German.

She was just as great as the last time I had seen her in June. No English but we made it work LOL. Once again everyone was staring at us due to our age difference LOL.

Decided to do BBBJ with her this time and I am glad I did. 110 for 30 minutes and it was just as great as I thought it would be. This time instead of straight doggy I asked her to get on top. She happily agreed and I made sure to pound her very had this way. She began to moan showing that she was enjoying the thrusting. Soon switched to doogy and once again thrusted her very hard until completion. Left very happy again and paid her.

Girl 2 Mariellas friend. Also from Germany but forgot from where and her name also.

She approached me and reminded me that I had agreed to see her from the day before. I told her I am a man of my word and off we went! 110 for BBBJ included and this session was very well also. She spoke very good English and seeing her go up and down my member was a great sight to see. She said I would need to do the work so we went at is in missionary LOL. This was no problem and her moans showed that she was enjoying her pounding as well!

So even though my whole reason for coming was Amy this did not ruin my experience. Had 4 great sessions with 3 girls and left a very happy man once again.

I also went to Freudenhaus Hase and Anni Porsche but that is for another thread.

After having great experiences at Artemis in June and November of 2019 I decided to go a third time for June 2019. Booked my flight from SoCal and off I went again!

Once again decided to limit my visit to Artemis to two days to use more money on the women!

Tuesday June 25,2019.

Walked in to Artemis and was instantly recognized by the receptionist LOL. Very pretty blonde younger woman. I asked her about Amy and she informed my that it was Amy's first day back from vacation! You can imagine my face upon hearing that information LOL.

Walked in and began to look for Amy. Was not able to see her for about an hour. I quickly realized that once again she was going upstairs for long periods of time. After awhile I went into the lounge and once again was mesmerized by the women inside. I made a mistake and saw a girl that I thought was Amy sitting down in the sofas near the entrance to the cafeteria. She was with a friend so I walked up to the girl and quickly realized it was not Amy. I felt terrible and decided to go upstairs with her as to not waste her time. I am glad I did and she was great as well.

Girl 1 Elena or Helena from Ukraine. Green eyes and blonde hair which you know matches my criteria =).

Decided to basic with Elena and she had no problem with that. Very nice oral and she would play with my body as well! Quickly asked her to get on top. She began to do the work herself which was an amazing view. I then decided to do the work myself and finished rather quickly after quick rapid thrusting into her. Was very happy and paid her for her time.

About an hour later I did see Amy and she was surprised to see me after a year absence. She was happy to see me but informed that she had several "appointments" and asked if I would be willing to wait. I agreed so off I went to look for Elena again.

Elena girl for session 2.

Repeat with Elena again 60 for basic and everything was just as good as the first time.

I was about to leave since Amy was so busy but decided to wait and took a nap. Finally at around 5 Amy came out of the girls area and saw me around the stair case. She immediately went up to me and off we went!

Girl 2 session 3 Amy from Stuggart 29 years old. Blonde Blue Eyes =).

Amy was glad to see me and she even remembered about the things we talked about the year before. She even remembered that my birthday was in June and asked if it had passed. Lets just say she gave me a late present that I will never forget!!

Once again Amy was amazing. 120 for an hour with her. Lots of eye contact during oral and great service as always. I must mention that in the hour Amy allowed me to finish two times which other girls don't always do regardless of the time of the session.

Amy was very happy and informed that she would be there the next day again.

Wednesday June 26.

I arrived happy that I would see Amy again but I soon received unfortunate news. Amy went up to me near the showers and informed me that once I had left the day before she went to check her phone. She saw that she had an appointment for 6 hours with a guy that is one of her regulars. She was saying that maybe he wouldn't show up so to make sure I would keep looking for her. I was devastated to hear but Amy apologized and said she looked for me but I had already left the day before. I took my loss and went downstairs for a long nap session and swim.

About 3 hours later I soon realized that the guy did show up because Amy was nowhere to be seen. I went back to look for Elena and there she was again.

60 again for basic and another great session with Elena again. I was sad that Amy was busy but glad that I was able to be with her the day before.

So that is 3 different months that I have gone to Germany for Artemis! I went five times in June. Two in November and Two in June the following year. I know that's a lot of money on entry fees but I am sure the locals to go Berlin have paid many entrance fees as well LOL.

Overall, after going to Artemis three different time of the year I am glad to say that I have only had 1 negative experience. My fear of being discriminated for being a darker skinned man was just a fear and no one at Artemis or even in Germany had any issues with that. Everyone was very nice and welcoming throughout my visits.

I can safely say that I am now hooked and will go back soon LOL.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2359030]After having great experiences at Artemis in June and November of 2019 I decided to go a third time for June 2019. Booked my flight from SoCal and off I went again!

Once again decided to limit my visit to Artemis to two days to use more money on the women!

Tuesday June 25,2019.

Walked in to Artemis and was instantly recognized by the receptionist LOL. Very pretty blonde younger woman. I asked her about Amy and she informed my that it was Amy's first day back from vacation! You can imagine my face upon hearing that information LOL.

Walked in and began to look for Amy. Was not able to see her for about an hour. I quickly realized that once again she was going upstairs for long periods of time. After awhile I went into the lounge and once again was mesmerized by the women inside. I made a mistake and saw a girl that I thought was Amy sitting down in the sofas near the entrance to the cafeteria. She was with a friend so I walked up to the girl and quickly realized it was not Amy. I felt terrible and decided to go upstairs with her as to not waste her time. I am glad I did and she was great as well.

Girl 1 Elena or Helena from Ukraine. Green eyes and blonde hair which you know matches my criteria =).

Decided to basic with Elena and she had no problem with that. Very nice oral and she would play with my body as well! Quickly asked her to get on top. She began to do the work herself which was an amazing view. I then decided to do the work myself and finished rather quickly after quick rapid thrusting into her. Was very happy and paid her for her time..[/QUOTE]Please enough with self promoters. New member, 4 reviews in total, all Artemis and all. But one negative experience to make it look normal. 4 straight good reviews to compensate a period of two years. Moderators of the forum, please pay close attention to cake reviews.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2359008]After my negative experience with the tall Hungarian woman

Overall this was a very positive experience for me. All of the girls were great with the exception of the one tall Hungarian woman. I know I made a rookie mistake by going up immediately with the girls but glad it worked out for me.[/QUOTE]This tall Hungarian woman named Geraldine? Tall, white skin, brunette, no tattoo, but beautiful very structured face girl with long neck like a model, well this as of 2013 to 2015. I hear she left, but came back maybe? Like some working girl return to FKK after their retirement to make again the quick cash.

She was best provider back in the day, but usually years in FKK make girls hard ass, so maybe this tall Hungarian woman was named Geraldine? Does it ring the bell to you?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2359478]This tall Hungarian woman named Geraldine? Tall, white skin, brunette, no tattoo, but beautiful very structured face girl with long neck like a model, well this as of 2013 to 2015. I hear she left, but came back maybe? Like some working girl return to FKK after their retirement to make again the quick cash.

She was best provider back in the day, but usually years in FKK make girls hard ass, so maybe this tall Hungarian woman was named Geraldine? Does it ring the bell to you?[/QUOTE]Yes! That's her. You described her perfectly. Geraldine. Thank you sir.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2359714]Yes! That's her. You described her perfectly. Geraldine. Thank you sir.[/QUOTE]So all the visits you made, you went to Artemis upon opening at 11 AM? Around noon time and these girls are all present already around that time?

Usually line up get built up at 7 pm to 8 pm in artemis, but was line up already good at let say around 2 PM during your visits? Because I recognize some of these girls you wrote about and I never knew they work in morning shift, so if you can tell me what time about line up get built, then that would be very helpful. Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2359768]So all the visits you made, you went to Artemis upon opening at 11 AM? Around noon time and these girls are all present already around that time?

Usually line up get built up at 7 pm to 8 pm in artemis, but was line up already good at let say around 2 PM during your visits? Because I recognize some of these girls you wrote about and I never knew they work in morning shift, so if you can tell me what time about line up get built, then that would be very helpful. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah each time I went it at 11 and the girls were already there within 20-30 minutes upon opening. . I was actually glad I went at that time because I was able to go with them immediately.

At around 2 it was still the same girls and I didn't see any new ones coming in.

The one day I stayed until 6 I did noticed many new girls coming in but by then I was already spent so I would just leave.

Natural BJ is 50 extra at Artemis? When still standard in NRW or Hessen.

Seem still German girls at Artemis? When they are silicon, tattooed at GT.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2359030]Walked in and began to look for Amy.[/QUOTE]Glad to see someone else appreciates Amy as much as I do. Last time I was at Artemis in either late June or early July she was about the only good thing there. Be sure to give her nipples some attention next visit; it's amazing just how fast they get rock hard.

This Friday I arrived at Artemis around 10:30 pm and ended up staying until about 1:30. I read the threads in here, like maybe at least 30 pages between this thread and the Berlin one. There were very mixed reviews and I think I see now why, but overall I had an incredible time.

First thing I noticed is I got a grey robe when I told them this was my first time. I think this makes it easier for the girls to target you so I would just say you have been to one before even if you haven't as the most annoying part was 4-7's coming up to you wanting to go for a room. When I first walked into the room I was kinda in shock, there were just ass and tits everywhere. It was pretty amazing for me as there is nothing like this in my country at all. I did a little walk around and was approached maybe 3-4 times in 3 minutes, but I just told them I just got here and wanted to walk around. If any of them were really hot then maybe but none fit my criteria. I like be-see cups and girls that look around my age 18-26 ish. Unfortunately, most of the woman there appear to be a bit older, but my best experience of the night was actually with a 30 year-old that could have passed for 24 easy.

First session.

Maybe about 10 minutes in I go to sit down and digest this whole new scene. There was this sexy skinny tattooed girl that caught my eye and next thing I know this other girl grabs her and they both come up to me. They start talking about how you need to get one fuck out of the way and it will hep you not be so nervous because I guess I looked nervous. The only problem was although the sexy skinny girl was a 8-9/10 body and 7-8/ face, the other girl was like a 5/10 body and face and a bit older. I wish I could remember the names but I can't exactly, I think the hot one was named Eyry (ear-ee) They said 120 for both and I was like fuck it lets try a threesome. I get in the room though and immediately it is going for the up-sell. They want an extra $50 each to touch each other at all so $110 x 2 aka 220. If the other girl were hotter, then yeah fuck it I'd have done it easily, but I didn't want to waste $110 on the 5/10 so I said no. I could tell they were annoyed and from there it just felt very forced which I didn't like. They would also speak in German or some other language to each-other and I knew they were talking shit about me not wanting to pay another 100. Mind you the 5 gave a great CBJ. While I was being blown the hot one asked if she can get a tip if she kissed, I said sure but then she really only kissed my nipples which I just found weird. Not super into that and kinda disappointed it wasn't anywhere else. I fucked the 5 a bit and then switched to a CBJ from the hot one, then fucked her. I decided to just keep fucking her and treat it basically like it was a solo session until I was done.

Lesson learned here: Don't do two at one unless they are both hot and you're willing to dish out extra for a lesbian show. Also the pressure doubles when you have two in the room with you.

I went back to the lounge after cleaning up ordered a coke and sat and just kinda watched all the naked girls deciding who I wanted to try next. Another lesson I learned is don't wait for them to come to you, if you see one you like and want to go fuck, you should go up to them. There was a really hot brunette sitting one couch away from we that I wanted to go with, and while waiting for her to look over someone else took her away. Thankfully though, that's when I saw Deanne who looked a bit like a young Reese Witherspoon. I'd say she was an 8/10. I said fuck it and just went up to her.

Session 2.

We went downstairs, passed the porn theater and into a private room over there. I laid down and she started playing with me with her hand while I sucked on her nipples. She then went into a CBJ which was okay, I like a more aggressive fast blowjob but hers was slow and sensual. It was hot but nothing that would ever make me cum. What was nice though is this room had two mirrors so I was able to play with her ass and pussy and see it while she was blowing me. Eventually I decided I wanted to fuck her doggy so we did, and it was great watching her tits giggle in the mirrors as we fucked. She also made a lot of eye contact with the mirrors which I found hot. She then got on top and rode me in a way that didn't make me last long at all. The whole scenario made for an extremely satisfying orgasm.

After Deanne I was tired so I got a drink and went down to the basement pool for a bit to relax. Around 12:45 I went back up as it was late and I wanted to try one more girl before leaving. Immediately as I walked in I noticed this hot blonde walking by that has an ass to hip ratio I couldn't believe while still only being maybe being 110 lbs. She was a 9-10 for sure. I went up to her though and she said she wasn't doing anymore sessions today. I didn't really understand why she was naked and sitting on a bench like she was waiting, but then also turning down everyone that went up to her. Anyways she seemed like the last really hot girl I wanted to try as the brunette from before that was stolen from me was no where to be seen. I was about ready to call it when this new girl walked in. For the life of me I can't remember her name, it was Riley or Lilly or something, but you can't miss her because she has bright pink hair. I don't know why but non natural colours of hair turns me on and it helped that she was a 9/10 in my book.

Session 3:

This was the best session of them all. Pink haired girl was Romanian and super nice. Nothing ever felt rushed with her. When we got to the room we spent the first bit just talking about some of her tattoos. I was worried it was counting towards the time, but then later she said OK lets start your session now or something along those lines. It started with me just kind of feeling her up and her putting her awesome be cups in my face while waking up my "little friend" as she said it which didn't take long. She then went into a CBJ where she put the condom in her mouth and rolled it down my cock that way which was incredibly hot. It was another BJ like Deannes, more sensual and less for the sake of cumming but none the less good. Eventually we went into doggy and then missionary where I finished. Her body was so perfect that it just made the whole experience super satisfying. Afterwards though, it didn't feel rushed like the others. We still had 10 minutes left but we ended up just talking for 15 minutes about our lives. She told me all about how she loved scuba diving and whatnot, and it just felt very natural and not forced which I liked. I tipped her a bit extra because of how enjoyable the whole experience was.

Overall I had a great experience and will probably return to an FKK next time I'm in Germany. Maybe during the day or mid week it is more dead but this Friday night it was booming and I think I'd only try FKKS on Thur-Sat for that reason. I'm already back in my country now but I am already trying to decide if next time I want to try Oasis or Sharks which I hear are great.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2359915]Glad to see someone else appreciates Amy as much as I do. Last time I was at Artemis in either late June or early July she was about the only good thing there. Be sure to give her nipples some attention next visit; it's amazing just how fast they get rock hard.[/QUOTE]Yeah Amy is just amazing. Thanks for the tip I'll try that the next time I'm there.

Yeah 50 euro for natural is what I was quoted at least by all the girls when I was there.

[QUOTE=Saurus;2359915]Glad to see someone else appreciates Amy as much as I do. Last time I was at Artemis in either late June or early July she was about the only good thing there. Be sure to give her nipples some attention next visit; it's amazing just how fast they get rock hard.[/QUOTE]Is Amy a German girl?

What does she look like? Blue eyes? Brown eyes?

Height?

[QUOTE=Digits1;2360010]This Friday I arrived at Artemis around 10:30 pm and ended up staying until about 1:30. I read the threads in here, like maybe at least 30 pages between this thread and the Berlin one. There were very mixed reviews and I think I see now why, but overall I had an incredible time.

First thing I noticed is I got a grey robe when I told them this was my first time. I think this makes it easier for the girls to target you so I would just say you have been to one before even if you haven't as the most annoying part was 4-7's coming up to you wanting to go for a room [/QUOTE]Nice report.

Reminded me of my first time there in may 2017. From what I understood with robes, maroon is for everyone whilst the grey robes are for larger bodied men.

They don't have any system of distinguishing customers. The girls know who a newbie is and who a regular is.

The only other distinguishing factor could be the band they put on your hand (which I always tear our since its fuking uncomfortable during sex and once I inadvertently scratched a girl with it in the room).

I get a. Different coloured one since I took their membership which is py for 10 sessions and get 2 free. That's all. But I doubt the women noticed it.

LOL and sorry to hear about the poor experience on your threesome. I've never had the courage to do that having seen the way some of them roam round in pairs and pressure guests.

But of course just so that you know, you could pick two women and then take them together but I guess there will be an upsell there since it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Digits1;2360010]This Friday I arrived at Artemis around 10:30 pm and ended up staying until about 1:30. I read the threads in here, like maybe at least 30 pages between this thread and the Berlin one. There were very mixed reviews and I think I see now why, but overall I had an incredible time.

First thing I noticed is I got a grey robe when I told them this was my first time. I think this makes it easier for the girls to target you so I would just say you have been to one before even if you haven't as the most annoying part was 4-7's coming up to you wanting to go for a room. When I first walked into the room I was kinda in shock, there were just ass and tits everywhere. It was pretty amazing for me as there is nothing like this in my country at all. I did a little walk around and was approached maybe 3-4 times in 3 minutes, but I just told them I just got here and wanted to walk around. If any of them were really hot then maybe but none fit my criteria. I like be-see cups and girls that look around my age 18-26 ish. Unfortunately, most of the woman there appear to be a bit older, but my best experience of the night was actually with a 30 year-old that could have passed for 24 easy.

First session..[/QUOTE]How was the lineup? How many girls in the club the whole night? Ratio of men to women?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2360443]Is Amy a German girl?

What does she look like? Blue eyes? Brown eyes?

Height?[/QUOTE]Amy is German 29 years old from Stuttgart.

Blonde hair blue eyes.

No Tattoos.

[QUOTE=SoberWorld;2360505]Nice report.

Reminded me of my first time there in may 2017. From what I understood with robes, maroon is for everyone whilst the grey robes are for larger bodied men.

They don't have any system of distinguishing customers. The girls know who a newbie is and who a regular is.

The only other distinguishing factor could be the band they put on your hand (which I always tear our since its fuking uncomfortable during sex and once I inadvertently scratched a girl with it in the room).

I get a. Different coloured one since I took their membership which is py for 10 sessions and get 2 free. That's all. But I doubt the women noticed it.

LOL and sorry to hear about the poor experience on your threesome. I've never had the courage to do that having seen the way some of them roam round in pairs and pressure guests.

But of course just so that you know, you could pick two women and then take them together but I guess there will be an upsell there since it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Might actually be the opposite. I am 6'1 and 170 lbs, but like 12-14% body fat so I am very skinny. Maybe the red it for the bigger guests. And yeah, I'd never do a threesome I was pressured into again. If by happen stance it is two hot girls the propose it and we discuss brass tax ahead of time, then maybe I would.

[QUOTE=Klaflare;2360550]How was the lineup? How many girls in the club the whole night? Ratio of men to women?[/QUOTE]If I had to guess I'd say there was around 30-40 girls. Probably about a 50/50 ratio of men to woman. Mostly 5-7's, a few 8-9's but only that one blonde would I call a 10 but that's because she was exactly my type. To be clear though, big breast or fake ones make a girl less attractive for me. I like them perky and natural but that's not everyone's taste. I'm sure a few of the girls I'd say were 6-7 would be 9-10's for big boob fans.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2360606]Amy is German 29 years old from Stuttgart.

Blonde hair blue eyes.

No Tattoos.[/QUOTE]May be she is from Stuttgart, I know very well this very rich city most of the girl will not go a FKK so many escort possibilities there or sugar dad around ex top manager from Porsche, Mercedes.

Or SAP with a lot of stock options to share with sexy girls.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2360606]Amy is German 29 years old from Stuttgart.

Blonde hair blue eyes.

No Tattoos.[/QUOTE]That sound like very much type for me, but has she been spotted lately at Artemis like this week?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2361037]That sound like very much type for me, but has she been spotted lately at Artemis like this week?[/QUOTE]I don't know I'm not in Germany at the moment. She goes on vacation a lot so hopefully you find her!

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2361399]I don't know I'm not in Germany at the moment. She goes on vacation a lot so hopefully you find her![/QUOTE]Thanks man, I hope I hit the good day for line up.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2361837]Thanks man, I hope I hit the good day for line up.[/QUOTE]No problem. Mariella from Hamburg is just as great as Amy! Just a darker blonde.

Did you have one hour or half hour sessions?

[QUOTE=Digits1;2360010]This Friday I arrived at Artemis around 10:30 pm and ended up staying until about 1:30. I read the threads in here, like maybe at least 30 pages between this thread and the Berlin one. There were very mixed reviews and I think I see now why, but overall I had an incredible time.

First thing I noticed is I got a grey robe when I told them this was my first time. I think this makes it easier for the girls to target you so I would just say you have been to one before even if you haven't as the most annoying part was 4-7's coming up to you wanting to go for a room. When I first walked into the room I was kinda in shock, there were just ass and tits everywhere. It was pretty amazing for me as there is nothing like this in my country at all. I did a little walk around and was approached maybe 3-4 times in 3 minutes, but I just told them I just got here and wanted to walk around. If any of them were really hot then maybe but none fit my criteria. I like be-see cups and girls that look around my age 18-26 ish. Unfortunately, most of the woman there appear to be a bit older, but my best experience of the night was actually with a 30 year-old that could have passed for 24 easy.

First session.

Maybe about 10 minutes in I go to sit down and digest this whole new scene. There was this sexy skinny tattooed girl that caught my eye and next thing I know this other girl grabs her and they both come up to me. They start talking about how you need to get one fuck out of the way and it will hep you not be so nervous because I guess I looked nervous. The only problem was although the sexy skinny girl was a 8-9/10 body and 7-8/ face, the other girl was like a 5/10 body and face and a bit older. I wish I could remember the names but I can't exactly, I think the hot one was named Eyry (ear-ee) They said 120 for both and I was like fuck it lets try a threesome..[/QUOTE]

Me and a friend of mine arrived early around noon, not many girls around, about 10-15 or so.

First session was with Lillia, well described in this forum. Someone here said she is heavy but that is not true, only "heavy" about her is that she is "top heavy" because of big natural tits that are very nice, no silicon. Session was good, she is German and a true girl-next-door. No upselling.

Second session was with a 35-year-old blonde German partly tattooed with leopard spots. Very long blonde hair. Sweet woman in the room, no rush, no upselling.

Third session was (maybe) with Amy, at least she fits the description mentioned, but could have been another girl as well, do not remember name, was a bit tired by now so was almost not able come but I finally did, exhausted.

This girl did upsell, but I declined.

My recommendation is to not go there early as there were A LOT more girls from around 20:00, just when one is beginning to get tired if you have arrived early and have a couple of sessions already made.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2362305]Me and a friend of mine arrived early around noon, not many girls around, about 10-15 or so.

First session was with Lillia, well described in this forum. Someone here said she is heavy but that is not true, only "heavy" about her is that she is "top heavy" because of big natural tits that are very nice, no silicon. Session was good, she is German and a true girl-next-door. No upselling.

Second session was with a 35-year-old blonde German partly tattooed with leopard spots. Very long blonde hair. Sweet woman in the room, no rush, no upselling.

Third session was (maybe) with Amy, at least she fits the description mentioned, but could have been another girl as well, do not remember name, was a bit tired by now so was almost not able come but I finally did, exhausted.

This girl did upsell, but I declined.

My recommendation is to not go there early as there were A LOT more girls from around 20:00, just when one is beginning to get tired if you have arrived early and have a couple of sessions already made.[/QUOTE]About what time did you spot this possible Amy girl please? Was she around already upon opening time or? Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2362519]About what time did you spot this possible Amy girl please? Was she around already upon opening time or? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Spotted her first time around dinner time 18:00.

Did not see her earlier.

Whats the price for.

1/2 hour:

1 hour:

Anal:

Is it usually possible to get "GF experience" for free if the session is an hour or longer?

How common free BBBJ? . in sharks, I'm able to get it 9/10 times even in 30 minute sessions.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2362305]Me and a friend of mine arrived early around noon, not many girls around, about 10-15 or so.

First session was with Lillia, well described in this forum. Someone here said she is heavy but that is not true, only "heavy" about her is that she is "top heavy" because of big natural tits that are very nice, no silicon. Session was good, she is German and a true girl-next-door. No upselling.

Second session was with a 35-year-old blonde German partly tattooed with leopard spots. Very long blonde hair. Sweet woman in the room, no rush, no upselling.

Third session was (maybe) with Amy, at least she fits the description mentioned, but could have been another girl as well, do not remember name, was a bit tired by now so was almost not able come but I finally did, exhausted.

This girl did upsell, but I declined.

My recommendation is to not go there early as there were A LOT more girls from around 20:00, just when one is beginning to get tired if you have arrived early and have a couple of sessions already made.[/QUOTE]Was there yesterday the 30, it was a kind of party day with 2 glasses of Champagne included in the 80 euros entry ticket. Arrived early and left before 7 PM gave my tickets for free champagne to a guy form Namibia he was very very happy. Sauna great, food really average, LU really average, under the sunny day light outside around the pool not 1 beautiful fresh and sexy girl, mostly veteran with sili and tired face. I saw 2 or 3 young and sexy girl sitting on the bar but they really made one room after 1 room, fully overbooked by guys with. (I don t want to hurt Mister KK who is so sensible), and coming back after less than 15 minutes in the room. Went to the room with a natural brunette, but it was a mistake but the bar area is so dark very difficult to make the right choice. Nevertheless I will not be in Berlin for the 12 at least coming months (lost of my local distributor), so it was probably my last visit to A.

I'm headed to Frankfurt and will definitely check out Oase and Sharks. But was thinking of going to Berline to try Artemis. However, I've heard it's really been downgraded in recent years and not up to the standard of other FKKs. Berlin seems to be a superior city than Frankfurt, but for mongering, is it not worth the trip to check out Artemis since it's considered to be less quality than the Frankfurt FKKs?

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2367065]I'm headed to Frankfurt and will definitely check out Oase and Sharks. But was thinking of going to Berline to try Artemis. However, I've heard it's really been downgraded in recent years and not up to the standard of other FKKs. Berlin seems to be a superior city than Frankfurt, but for mongering, is it not worth the trip to check out Artemis since it's considered to be less quality than the Frankfurt FKKs?[/QUOTE]Do you want to go to Berlin with a berline: I was there last Friday, for me not worth to spend 1 cent to travel there, LU is older, smaller than in Shark or Oase, a lot of experienced and veteran girls around with sili, botox, hair extension,. Not my cup of tea only 2 or 3 fresh girls but believe me they are hunt like crazy probably more than 20 rooms per day.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2367065]I'm headed to Frankfurt and will definitely check out Oase and Sharks. But was thinking of going to Berline to try Artemis. However, I've heard it's really been downgraded in recent years and not up to the standard of other FKKs. Berlin seems to be a superior city than Frankfurt, but for mongering, is it not worth the trip to check out Artemis since it's considered to be less quality than the Frankfurt FKKs?[/QUOTE]Berlin is good for GB party. But not good for FKK. For FFK you will have a better choice around Frankfurt and NRW (e. G. Around Cologne, Dusseldorf).

In Artemis Berlin entry for is EUR80 and EUR60 for half hour with the girl. In NRW entry price is only EUR80 and half hour is only EUR50.

But of course for those who will need to saty in Berlin and can not travel they have no other option as Artemis is the only FKK in Berlin.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2365446]Was there yesterday the 30, it was a kind of party day with 2 glasses of Champagne included in the 80 euros entry ticket. Arrived early and left before 7 PM gave my tickets for free champagne to a guy form Namibia he was very very happy. Sauna great, food really average, LU really average, under the sunny day light outside around the pool not 1 beautiful fresh and sexy girl, mostly veteran with sili and tired face. I saw 2 or 3 young and sexy girl sitting on the bar but they really made one room after 1 room, fully overbooked by guys with. (I don t want to hurt Mister KK who is so sensible), and coming back after less than 15 minutes in the room. Went to the room with a natural brunette, but it was a mistake but the bar area is so dark very difficult to make the right choice. Nevertheless I will not be in Berlin for the 12 at least coming months (lost of my local distributor), so it was probably my last visit to A.[/QUOTE]I was there too, this time with a local friend, Berlin dude, who actually never had been to Artemis. Also he does not drink alcohol, so I got four glasses of champagne through the night.

Went with a Lebanese girl (though born and raised in Germany) that always are there, nice, natural but pierced nipples. Someone here described them as "drop shaped" earlier I think. Was not expecting much from here really but her look turns me on and she was a good zimmer that I might repeat.

Then I took a massage downstairs from one of the massage-guys. Recommended.

Then went with Raissa, for the looks only.

During the evening an old fat guy had like 6 girls around a table, handing them 100 Euro-bills from time to time and one Champagne bottle after another brought to the table. Then they went to the pool all of them, the girls and this one guy. Do not know if it ended luckily though.

Headed "home" around.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2367925]I was there too, this time with a local friend, Berlin dude, who actually never had been to Artemis. Also he does not drink alcohol, so I got four glasses of champagne through the night.

Went with a Lebanese girl (though born and raised in Germany) that always are there, nice, natural but pierced nipples. Someone here described them as "drop shaped" earlier I think. Was not expecting much from here really but her look turns me on and she was a good zimmer that I might repeat.

Then I took a massage downstairs from one of the massage-guys. Recommended.

Then went with Raissa, for the looks only.

During the evening an old fat guy had like 6 girls around a table, handing them 100 Euro-bills from time to time and one Champagne bottle after another brought to the table. Then they went to the pool all of them, the girls and this one guy. Do not know if it ended luckily though.

Headed "home" around.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, but sorry what is the interest to be with 6 girls, he was fat so probably not able to satisfy all of the 6 girls, drinking Champagne with prostitutes and paying them a lot, I hope he had something very important to celebrate otherwise I think it is just a waste of money, better to stick to 1 or 2 girls maximum.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2367996]Thanks for the report, but sorry what is the interest to be with 6 girls, he was fat so probably not able to satisfy all of the 6 girls, drinking Champagne with prostitutes and paying them a lot, I hope he had something very important to celebrate otherwise I think it is just a waste of money, better to stick to 1 or 2 girls maximum.[/QUOTE]Some guy, especially physically sub standard or mentally suffering from any sort of syndrome that makes them behave differently around girls, don't come to FKK only for sex. They come to experience some sort of social life, they come for the confidence boost from, for example, six women drinking with them and laughing at there jokes and giving them attention (even if it is a complete illusion). People need to compensate for various personality shortcomings. One very attractive Suisse guy in his 40's could not approach a woman he was interested in, even though he is the perfect client, good look and money. He had to go through extreme lengths to get her to notice him and then paid her double the standard rate. Also, girls seldom get satisfied in this job. No matter how good actors they are. Ciao.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2367996]Thanks for the report, but sorry what is the interest to be with 6 girls, he was fat so probably not able to satisfy all of the 6 girls, drinking Champagne with prostitutes and paying them a lot, I hope he had something very important to celebrate otherwise I think it is just a waste of money, better to stick to 1 or 2 girls maximum.[/QUOTE]I guess he wanted to feel like he owned a harem or something. He handed out a lot of 100-Euro-bills to the girls, like it was nothing to him. If sex ever did occur I do not now.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2367065]I'm headed to Frankfurt and will definitely check out Oase and Sharks. But was thinking of going to Berline to try Artemis. However, I've heard it's really been downgraded in recent years and not up to the standard of other FKKs. Berlin seems to be a superior city than Frankfurt, but for mongering, is it not worth the trip to check out Artemis since it's considered to be less quality than the Frankfurt FKKs?[/QUOTE]Show some patience, Mr. Know was surely there lately and is going to answer your questions in the near future, because he can and knows the similarities and differences. Frankfurt the navel of the world when it comes to spend cash for prime pussies and so on. LOL LOL LOL. Or NRW LOL LOL LOL. Or the Swiss globe. HeHeHe.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2367607]...In Artemis Berlin entry for is EUR80 and EUR60 for half hour with the girl. In NRW entry price is only EUR80 and half hour is only EUR50.[/QUOTE]Isn't it pretty nice of the Simsibrothers that they didn't raised the entrance fee within the last decade. It is still on a 80 euro level despite rising costs over the years for staff, energy and the horticulturist who takes care of the oxygen donating plants and flowers in the wellness area.

I think they should raise the entrance fee sooner or later to 500 euro or something.

The super sucking deep stack bears don't care anyway. The more they pay the closer their willy tool get to the status hard. Believe.

Higher entrance fee would also ensure that a few people stay outside who bring the gutter uptown.

Much love.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2368273]Some guy, especially physically sub standard or mentally suffering from any sort of syndrome that makes them behave differently around girls, don't come to FKK only for sex. They come to experience some sort of social life, they come for the confidence boost from, for example, six women drinking with them and laughing at there jokes and giving them attention (even if it is a complete illusion). People need to compensate for various personality shortcomings. One very attractive Suisse guy in his 40's could not approach a woman he was interested in, even though he is the perfect client, good look and money. He had to go through extreme lengths to get her to notice him and then paid her double the standard rate. Also, girls seldom get satisfied in this job. No matter how good actors they are. Ciao.[/QUOTE]I am sure that the Danny finds someday someone somewhere who helps him to fight the cocaine demon and is going to heal his pain.

I am confident on this one.

Came to Artemis last Sunday, arrived at around 13:30, left at 18:30, overall had a great time as usual.

First session with Victoria, a Romanian girl. Not exactly my type but she had a charming personality, we talked and I decided she'll be my first for the day. Silicone, dark hair.

Next I went with Anya, an amazing German girl in her early 20's. Stunning blonde, one of those beautiful women you keep thinking about long after you leave. Small perky breasts, very thin, a few tattoos all over her body.

For the first time ever for me, after about an hour rest following my session with Anya, I decided to go with her again, just because she was so stunning.

A few side comments:

* As the time was getting closer to 18:00, that's when they open the dinner buffet, I thought I'd stay and eat dinner there. I know now to try and avoid this mistake in the future.

* I brought my own flip-flops from home, learning from the past. That was a wise decision, I'll try to remember for next time.

Overall, this is a very expensive visit. I ended up spending a little over 500 Euros, what with the entrance, payment for the girls and various extras. I think it's totally worth it.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2367925]I was there too, this time with a local friend, Berlin dude, who actually never had been to Artemis. Also he does not drink alcohol, so I got four glasses of champagne through the night.

Went with a Lebanese girl (though born and raised in Germany) that always are there, nice, natural but pierced nipples. Someone here described them as "drop shaped" earlier I think. Was not expecting much from here really but her look turns me on and she was a good zimmer that I might repeat.

Then I took a massage downstairs from one of the massage-guys. Recommended.

Then went with Raissa, for the looks only.

During the evening an old fat guy had like 6 girls around a table, handing them 100 Euro-bills from time to time and one Champagne bottle after another brought to the table. Then they went to the pool all of them, the girls and this one guy. Do not know if it ended luckily though.

Headed "home" around.[/QUOTE]Was her named Leyla from Frankfurt? And she has yellow gold nipple pierce on both nipples? Blonde.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2370968]Was her named Leyla from Frankfurt? And she has yellow gold nipple pierce on both nipples? Blonde.[/QUOTE]She had dark hair and that is her natural colour. Pale white skin. Silver piercings in nipples. Walks around a lot. Quite sharky.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2371390]She had dark hair and that is her natural colour. Pale white skin. Silver piercings in nipples. Walks around a lot. Quite sharky.[/QUOTE]OK, then it is different one then. Many girls has piercing on nipples, some guys too. I wonder why that is though? Does it increase sensitivity or?

I may be biased as it was my first visit to a euro FKK but I must say the girls were exceptionally pretty and stunning. Like the hottest girls at any nightclub but naked. The men were decent and respectful to each other all being there for the same thing of course.

I think it's good to be generous to the girls because bear this in mind. They are charged over 140 euro per night by the management to stay there in a dorm upstairs. Per night. So more than one hour with a client just to pay for their sleeping there. That kind of explains why the entrance stays at 80 euro for so long since the girls basically subsidise it.

So I think it is an amazing place, and worth being good to the girls because of that. It's an unforgettable experience in life for sure.

This debate about being "generous" to the girls is never-ending and each person can pay what they want. But it is not helpful to tell other members in effect what their approach to paying over the basic rates should be.

I won't give my view now as the forum is littered with such discussions and I am not sure it will add anything. Suffice it to say that there are many members who do not subscribe to the credo that the girls should be paid more.

Each to his own.

[QUOTE=Rubie;2370898]Came to Artemis last Sunday, arrived at around 13:30, left at 18:30, overall had a great time as usual.

A few side comments:

* As the time was getting closer to 18:00, that's when they open the dinner buffet, I thought I'd stay and eat dinner there. I know now to try and avoid this mistake in the future.

* I brought my own flip-flops from home, learning from the past. That was a wise decision, I'll try to remember for next time.

Overall, this is a very expensive visit. I ended up spending a little over 500 Euros, what with the entrance, payment for the girls and various extras. I think it's totally worth it.[/QUOTE]1) Whats wrong with staying and eating dinner? Is it that the food isn't so tasty? Or some other more important reason?

2) Do they open a lunch buffet, or only dinner?

3) Whats the disadvantage of using the flip flops at Artemis? You said you learned from the past and got your own. Care to explain why? I use their flip flops regularly with no issues.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2372323]1) Whats wrong with staying and eating dinner? Is it that the food isn't so tasty? Or some other more important reason?[/QUOTE]It's dog food. Was there in February and August this year. First time (February) it was just discussing, last time I didn't even bother. For 80 entrance fee one should / could expect a decent meal. Not!

Breakfast is as good as a normal hotel, Dinner is hit and miss but mostly substandard IMO. Still don't understand why they don't put at least a water tap in the dining area, it's annoying when you forget to bring your drink to the dining area.

[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2372745]Breakfast is as good as a normal hotel, Dinner is hit and miss but mostly substandard IMO. Still don't understand why they don't put at least a water tap in the dining area, it's annoying when you forget to bring your drink to the dining area.[/QUOTE]Good point about water. And it is not even mineral water. Only club I know of that gives you mineral water is FKK oceans.

Does Artemis allow re-admission? I plan on going when they open on a Thursday, but then have dinner plans with a friend. Thinking about going back after dinner.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2376182]Does Artemis allow re-admission? I plan on going when they open on a Thursday, but then have dinner plans with a friend. Thinking about going back after dinner.[/QUOTE]Yes you can go back. Since I always leave early around 4 pm they always ask if I want to come back later so they can get my information.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2376182]Does Artemis allow re-admission? I plan on going when they open on a Thursday, but then have dinner plans with a friend. Thinking about going back after dinner.[/QUOTE]That is no problem. Just let them know at reception before leave and they put you on the list.

What has happened since the new law and the cinema? Do the girls ever do BBBJ in kino anymore?

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2376926]What has happened since the new law and the cinema? Do the girls ever do BBBJ in kino anymore?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not.

You have to go to room for that, maybe, I could not say.

I know nothing as Manuel said.

Went there Sunday, got there about two, had some breakfast wasn't bad, it was slow, the girls could sense new meat, went outside by the pool, soaked in the sun, had a lite workout in the gym, steam and Jacuzzi, outside swim, watched porn, one of them struck my fancy, took her for an hour 120, first decent Romanian woman I've ever been with, most have been a problem, had dinner it was good, sat and watch the show, now I was feeling more settled, there are some good looking women there, and some basket cases, I really feel sorry for the basket cases, I would say 30% head silicone uppers one look like a freak show.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2379145] there are some good looking women there, and some basket cases, I really feel sorry for the basket cases, I would say 30% head silicone uppers one look like a freak show.[/QUOTE]Yes, I went there in end of August and also early September too. My experience is the same, it is 90% ugly older plastic girls, 5 % OK girls and 5% or bit less stunner level good looking young girls.

I would say Artemis is more or less back to how it was with slightly higher up sell, but it has always been up sell club.

It is good, they begin to put few young good looking girls in line up again because at one point, they vanished and clients are left with older tattoo plastic girls you called basket cases LOL.

[QUOTE=Antex;2376943]Unfortunately not.

You have to go to room for that, maybe, I could not say.

I know nothing as Manuel said.[/QUOTE]Nope, not true.

Had it a DE month ago with a girl. For CIM finish we went to a room.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2379270]Yes, I went there in end of August and also early September too. My experience is the same, it is 90% ugly older plastic girls, 5 % OK girls and 5% or bit less stunner level good looking young girls.

I would say Artemis is more or less back to how it was with slightly higher up sell, but it has always been up sell club.

It is good, they begin to put few young good looking girls in line up again because at one point, they vanished and clients are left with older tattoo plastic girls you called basket cases LOL.[/QUOTE]Where would you recommend one to in Berlin, if not Artemis?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2381581]Where would you recommend one to in Berlin, if not Artemis?[/QUOTE]There is only Artemis in Berlin, that is only FKK there.

As for brothel, I do not know any in Berlin, you got to wait for other guys to reply for that. Sorry mate.

Hey guys!

Will be in Berlin in a couple of weeks and I just have some questions about Artemis during the evening.

I will be arriving in Berlin a bit later of the afternoon and would be able to be at Artemis around 9 PM, how's the lineup usually around this time?

[QUOTE=Xekekeke;2381928]Hey guys!

Will be in Berlin in a couple of weeks and I just have some questions about Artemis during the evening.

I will be arriving in Berlin a bit later of the afternoon and would be able to be at Artemis around 9 PM, how's the lineup usually around this time?[/QUOTE]From my experience the line up is at it's strongest from around 20:00 in the evening so you can expect best possible line up when you arrive.

Good luck.

Hey guys,

I am thinking to visit FKK. Can any one tell me about the Cost and Price. Do I have to pay to girls separate and entry fee separate?

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2383018]Hey guys,

I am thinking to visit FKK. Can any one tell me about the Cost and Price. Do I have to pay to girls separate and entry fee separate?[/QUOTE]You would know how it works if you read a few pages.

Went to Artemis, Monday, slow day there, spent my time in the pool, Jacuzzi, worked out a little bit, had dinner, I like the place, but it seems to be the girls hunting ground, after dinner lit my cigar, smoking in the states is such a taboo it's a pleasure to smoke and watch women walk around naked, there are some very attractive women there, some natural some with silicone there, all shapes and sizes, different hairstyles, always wanted to be in a place where I could screw any woman in the place. . I have to remember that I'm the one in charge, I pick the girl that I want, and it's OK to be picky, thank God I found this place when I'm older, I can do my thinking with my big head instead of my little one. Anyways I took Mia a young girl from Hungry, good personality and a lot of fun, except for the up charges I started to get for kissing, anyway she wanted to be fuck hard, did my best I am a senior citizen, she did her part. All covered of course, but did put her energy into it 60 euros.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2383018]Hey guys,
I am thinking to visit FKK. Can any one tell me about the Cost and Price. Do I have to pay to girls separate and entry fee separate?[/QUOTE]Yeah just RTFF, man.

If you are not willing to explore they website and read all the info and rules, you might be very unhappy to stumble into reality.

Hello there everyone!

Hope you are having a great day!

I've been reading this forum for a bit and have managed to accomplish what I wanted.

ID like to thank you all for sharing your thoughts and advises, my first time there I've been recognized as a regular. Poker face. Yeah, nailed it.

I've been to Artemis few times, every half a year, I would say, for almost 3 years by now.

Wow what a place it is, why don't we have this all over the world?

So anyway I've been there from dawn till dawn, yeah literally, I've seen this place empty and packed with sausage meat up to the point when you have to wait for a room like 20-30 minutes and outside is either deadly cold or occupied as well.

But I still want to go back. Again. Regardless of the sharks or negative reviews now and then.

It does the job, sometimes its just "hey honey, how are you, drain my balls, please, oh yeah, thank you, here is your 60, have a nice day" and off to the real world, unfortunately I can't just print money. Lols.

Here is some short summary of my trips and sessions, and some questions for the top users of this forum:

Important note! I don't ask for a BBBJ as I get it at home, and I'm not a fan of anal, so don't ask how much was extras, as I haven't had any special extras.

1) Nadya. Tall, blonde, long hair, German I think, tattoo on a back, slim, silicone boobs. Where is she, I would go there.

Haven't seen her ever since I had her in a room with me. Sad. She did put a lot of work on my watch.

2) Avril. Red hair, white milk skin, slim, silicone. Mostly busy, but tricking mostly young guys, who come in 2-3 minutes, so she can score like 5-6 of them in 1 HR, and then relax for a 10-15 minutes upselling more expensive services. I think she was the one I had cum on her face, lovely. Does she still works there?

3) Sydney. Young, slim, silicone, short. Seems shy to me, do not if she is serving some regulars or just trying to score whatever come her way. Has anyone had a session with her?

4) Zoe. German, slim, tall, dark hair, looks like a pornstar to me, silicone. I felt tricked in a bit, she did me a handjob as we got in a room, just to warm me up, but then when we got to ex, she goes oh it doesn't fit in, and I don't have any lube, so let me jerk you off on my body. Wtf, most of the girls have lube with them, as condoms. Has anyone been through anything like this? Is it a normal trick?

5) Gabriel. Big silicone, blonde, at least was a blonde back then, nothing special, knows how to get you cum quick, which is cheating I think, IMHO, I usually fuck them good, pounding on that pussy, hey where else you find a gal who gets fucked more then 10 times a day, they can let you discharge your dick / stamina (pick one).

6) Blonde woman, from Romania, was fun, but felt like a robot.

Some of them get sad when you say no extras, I just want to have normal fun. Wtf, since when this place became an out of the line sex, did I slept through a fucking memo or something? Whats wrong with having simple sex session as they present it to you at the door. Oral and vaginal sex in condom.

Everything else at your own risk, please be advised or some shit like this. LOL.

So anyway.

Have to go, but can share some of my thoughts later.

Would be nice to hear what you think.

And.

Where are these girls (1-3 I mentioned).

Thank you all.

And remember. To keep your dick running you need to use it more often, its a muscle and it hangs when not in use.

P.S. This forum doesn't let me post anything else without getting other name registered, so I might appear under some other nickname.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=DrainMaster777;2384257]2) Avril. Red hair, white milk skin, slim, silicone. Mostly busy, but tricking mostly young guys, who come in 2-3 minutes, so she can score like 5-6 of them in 1 HR, and then relax for a 10-15 minutes upselling more expensive services. I think she was the one I had cum on her face, lovely. Does she still works there?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her for a long time. First she tried a liaison with a rich German which clearly failed. A few months later she lay down on one of the 'beds' , left and right at the end of the bar. Refusing anyone that approached her. After that she disappeared.

[QUOTE=Fasbiranwar1;2383018]Can any one tell me about the Cost and Price. Do I have to pay to girls separate and entry fee separate?[/QUOTE]Yes, you do. Entrance is 80 euro. You get food, kino, sauna, swimming pool and non alcoholic drinks for that from 11:00 am to 5:00 am? In posts 11108 and 11123 I already wrote a lot about prices. You can look at those and at the comments on that info from other members. Then start to RTFF please.

If you know so little about FKK please read a lot on this forum, a thousand posts or so should give you enough info. Take your watch with you, so you can check the time that you spend with the girl. Try to ask other men in the club for their experiences. You will need that.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2381581]Where would you recommend one to in Berlin, if not Artemis?[/QUOTE]Liberty Agentur can be found on the web. It is a normal brothel. You will be put in a room and all the girls will come by and say their name. After that you have to choose. It might be a bit cheaper than Artemis, depending on your wishes. But it is very limited. You come in, choose a girl, have sex and leave. I went there some time ago. It was 150 - 200 for the hour with extras. 60 minutes is really 55 minutes. So beware. 5 minutes is to clean up.

I prefer Artemis as you can stay among naked girls as long as you like and then fuck the one you like best and repeat that sequence over and over again.

I wonder why Artemis do not make smoking room within main bar on the corner near restaurant entrance. I mean it really is chimney in main bar especially after 8 PM and after so many compliant, there is no improvement. I hope Germany will pass the law to restrict indoor smoking further, so smoking room will be built within main bar of Artemis.

Kenan is healthy guy, I often see him working out and taking massage and taking sauna and I do see him walking into main bar, so I wonder why he himself do not care about that.

Smoking in main bar seems to be convenient for girls, but for many clients it is more annoying than enjoyable except for some smokers. But even girls complain that they have to wash hair twice after work in Artemis because of smoke smell in their hair.

Hey,

I haven't been there yet. I'm wondering if there are different nationalities and ethnicities at Artemis such as Thai / Asian, Middle Eastern, black, Latinas. Or are there only Eastern European's there? I keep reading Romania, Bulgaria etc. So I'm wondering.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2386338]I wonder why Artemis do not make smoking room within main bar on the corner near restaurant entrance. I mean it really is chimney in main bar especially after 8 PM and after so many compliant, there is no improvement. I hope Germany will pass the law to restrict indoor smoking further, so smoking room will be built within main bar of Artemis.

Kenan is healthy guy, I often see him working out and taking massage and taking sauna and I do see him walking into main bar, so I wonder why he himself do not care about that.

Smoking in main bar seems to be convenient for girls, but for many clients it is more annoying than enjoyable except for some smokers. But even girls complain that they have to wash hair twice after work in Artemis because of smoke smell in their hair.[/QUOTE]This is my view as well! I use to escape to the staircase from time to time.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2385760]I haven't seen her for a long time. First she tried a liaison with a rich German which clearly failed. A few months later she lay down on one of the 'beds' , left and right at the end of the bar. Refusing anyone that approached her. After that she disappeared.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she was my favorite girl at Artemis. I was extremely attracted to her (I love red hair and milky skin) and always enjoyed our sessions, including her DFK and CIF. Unfortunately, she's been gone for quite some time now, and is likely no longer in the FKK business. The last time I was at Artemis about a year and a half ago, one of the other girls (knowing I always visited just to see Avril) came up to me and told me Avril left and will probably never return.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2386646]This is my view as well! I use to escape to the staircase from time to time.[/QUOTE]Yes, the last time I was at Artemis, the cigarette smoke made me (and Lilia) literally ill. It was really bad, and the girls would complain about the windows being opened saying they were cold. Well what the hell about customer health and comfort? They need to do something to address this. Put in a walled off smoking section somewhere and require that it be used by smokers!

[QUOTE=Mcfucking;2386492]I haven't been there yet. I'm wondering if there are different nationalities and ethnicities at Artemis such as Thai / Asian, Middle Eastern, black, Latinas. [/QUOTE]Both. Most of them are Eastern Europe and quite a few Romanians. Also from other countries in Eastern Europe. I had especially girls from Germany too. They come in all kinds: Italian-German, Lebanese-German, African-German, Turkish-German, but also true Germans like Amy, Jordan and Emiglia. The last one will not be there anymore but the two others might be so. Occasionally there are African ladies or Jamaican or Brazilian. Haven't seen many Asians. So, if you really don't want an Eastern European you can find them here easily but your choice will be limited to about 30-40% of the girls or less. Amy and Jordan are true gems. But not always available or even not working.

I have not been to Artemis for a couple of years and I'm wondering if the following girls is still around?

Aksena: Short, blonde Bulgarian, no tattoos around 30 years old.

Kristy / Christie: Tall, blonde Rumanian girl with glasses and tattoo under her boobs, also around 30.

Adelle: Dark haired, light skin Serbian girl. No tattoos in late twenties.

I'm considering a trip in the near future, so I hope you guys can help with some info.

Background. Never been to Artemis before. I plan to go noon on Sunday and stay till I run out of sperm. Second, I am more concerned about having a great experience than saving a money.

1. What is best way to tell the girl that is likely to give you a really hot sexy session vs. Lazy / ripoff / time waster?

2. Can you ask the girl to give you a few seconds preview of her blowjob before committing to spend a full 30 minutes with her?

3. I want at least two ffm sessions. Any tips on how to pick the 2 girls. (I Do not want to choose two girls who don't like each other and neither is her sexy best).

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2387468]Background. Never been to Artemis before. I plan to go noon on Sunday and stay till I run out of sperm. Second, I am more concerned about having a great experience than saving a money.

1. What is best way to tell the girl that is likely to give you a really hot sexy session vs. Lazy / ripoff / time waster?

2. Can you ask the girl to give you a few seconds preview of her blowjob before committing to spend a full 30 minutes with her?

3. I want at least two ffm sessions. Any tips on how to pick the 2 girls. (I Do not want to choose two girls who don't like each other and neither is her sexy best).[/QUOTE]If money is not your major concern, just take the girl you like to the room, speak 0 before in the room see if the chemistry is good and extend to 2 or 3 hours, you will get the best service without any stressing negotiation. Obviously this needs a kind of sophistication, being able to adapt very quickly, to take fast decision.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2386854]Both. Most of them are Eastern Europe and quite a few Romanians. Also from other countries in Eastern Europe. I had especially girls from Germany too. They come in all kinds: Italian-German, Lebanese-German, African-German, Turkish-German, but also true Germans like Amy, Jordan and Emiglia. The last one will not be there anymore but the two others might be so. Occasionally there are African ladies or Jamaican or Brazilian. Haven't seen many Asians. So, if you really don't want an Eastern European you can find them here easily but your choice will be limited to about 30-40% of the girls or less. Amy and Jordan are true gems. But not always available or even not working.[/QUOTE]In reality most of the girls are from Romania or Hungary even they will tell you other stories.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2386854]Both. Most of them are Eastern Europe and quite a few Romanians. Also from other countries in Eastern Europe. I had especially girls from Germany too. They come in all kinds: Italian-German, Lebanese-German, African-German, Turkish-German, but also true Germans like Amy, Jordan and Emiglia. The last one will not be there anymore but the two others might be so. Occasionally there are African ladies or Jamaican or Brazilian. Haven't seen many Asians. So, if you really don't want an Eastern European you can find them here easily but your choice will be limited to about 30-40% of the girls or less. Amy and Jordan are true gems. But not always available or even not working.[/QUOTE]Japanese, Chinese, Korean girls don't need to work in a FKK and getting fucked many times every days. So many easier options for them.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2387468]Background. Never been to Artemis before. I plan to go noon on Sunday and stay till I run out of sperm. Second, I am more concerned about having a great experience than saving a money.

1. What is best way to tell the girl that is likely to give you a really hot sexy session vs. Lazy / ripoff / time waster?

2. Can you ask the girl to give you a few seconds preview of her blowjob before committing to spend a full 30 minutes with her?

3. I want at least two ffm sessions. Any tips on how to pick the 2 girls. (I Do not want to choose two girls who don't like each other and neither is her sexy best).[/QUOTE]1. If any of us knew this we would not be here.

2. Sure, you can ask. When she stops laughing take her to the kino and just pay for a quick BJ.

3. Best way-find a girl you click with, ask her to find a friend.

Hello fellows,

I plan to arrive to Artemis on coming Thursday at 11 AM. Can any of you describe the scenery at that time? How many girls? How many customers?

I will leave at 1 PM and return at 8 PM. I assume that the entrance fee is valid for the whole day, even if you leave and return later.

Many thanks.

At SanPedro.

From 11 am to 1 pm you will have a limited choice. But I always found one or two doable ladies around the scene at that time. I always leave Artemis around 2 pm and come back before 8 pm. Just ask the front desk. They will write down your locker number and you must sign for it. You sign again if you come back and get your locker key back. But beware. Sometimes there are inexperienced ladies at the front desk and give away your locker to someone else. So do not leave your belongings there. Only the Artemis robe and flip flops.

At ExpatLover.

I am not going to argue with you. Waste of time.

At JamesPearle.

1. My best sessions were after me picking the girl and not vice versa. She is more or less alone in the club but if you talk to her she will talk to you easily. If she genuinely laughs at a joke, she is most likely a good choice. But there are no certainties here.

2. Already answered by Zen Monger. You can go to the kino with her. There is one downstairs and one upstairs (in front of restaurant head left). Ask for a room within a few minutes of sucking. Otherwise there is the possibility that the session (and session time) already started. Better to ask something like "Is there a kino here" than hint at the two minutes free blow job.

3. Zen Monger answered that already but beware of girls kissing each other. You will have to pay 50 euros each. Even better is to repeat with a girl you already had a session with one-on-one and then ask for a friend to go along. But I have been offered many trios from friends, so no problem at all to get it. Now, you only need to prevent disappointment.

I haven't been to Artemis since the infamous raid a couple of years ago and since the condom law came in. Last time I went the atmosphere was great but the level of the ladies was not to my liking with a few exceptions (too many older women older than 30, too many tattoos, too much silicone) . But I am in Berlin in a couple of weeks and think I'll like to check it out again. With so many girls working you only need to find one or two. And I used to love the heated jacuzzi and pool outdoors.

The only thing I can't remember. What is the rate now in practice? Is it 60/30 and is BBBJ available for extra?

The last time I remember a great session with German Nele and German-Turk Scarlett but they must have left ages ago.

Any recommended Top Girls (model type, slim, minimum tattoos, no silicone)?

[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2390973]I haven't been to Artemis since the infamous raid a couple of years ago and since the condom law came in. Last time I went the atmosphere was great but the level of the ladies was not to my liking with a few exceptions (too many older women older than 30, too many tattoos, too much silicone) . But I am in Berlin in a couple of weeks and think I'll like to check it out again. With so many girls working you only need to find one or two. And I used to love the heated jacuzzi and pool outdoors.

The only thing I can't remember. What is the rate now in practice? Is it 60/30 and is BBBJ available for extra?

The last time I remember a great session with German Nele and German-Turk Scarlett but they must have left ages ago.

Any recommended Top Girls (model type, slim, minimum tattoos, no silicone)?[/QUOTE]Hey Sebastiane.

After a long hiatus, I recently made a return visit to Artemis. The place used to have a finer selection of girls, especially during Messe events. That was not the case this time. The club was almost lifeless. The entry is still 80 Euros. The quoted price for session is still 60 Euros / 30 minutes, but if you wanted BBBJ, the session jumps to 100 Euros / 30. For that, you would assume DFK and DATY would be included, but you would be sadly mistaken. Some girls said that it was either "BBBJ or DATY". What? Some girls flat out did not kiss. Compared to just a few years ago, this is a sharp reduction in service. As for models, you won't find any. There were some good looking ones that may have matched your search criteria. I interviewed a bunch of girls. Met only one German girl named Alice, but she was a bit older and I did not session with her. Did not meet any girl named Nele or Scarlett. I would say that there were enough slim girls to session with, but it seemed the most popular girl with a short Romanian girl with fake tits, tattoos, and dyed red hair. I saw a poor sucker wait for her at the stairway and then she said something to him and walked off with another guy. Never did catch her name, I am sure one of the regulars would be able to identify her. It seems the change in laws and registration has really affected the market. Where did all the girls end up? You were not referring to Artemis legend, Czech Nella, were you?

FiddyCent.

Was at Artemis the other day, Tuesday, only found one girl that looks-wise attracted me, a German girl named Sofia. Stayed one hour in room and she was a pretty good performer that I might repeat.

So almost nothing to report. Went home early.

[QUOTE=TheRugdr;2386653]Yeah, she was my favorite girl at Artemis. I was extremely attracted to her (I love red hair and milky skin) and always enjoyed our sessions, including her DFK and CIF. Unfortunately, she's been gone for quite some time now, and is likely no longer in the FKK business. The last time I was at Artemis about a year and a half ago, one of the other girls (knowing I always visited just to see Avril) came up to me and told me Avril left and will probably never return.[/QUOTE]She was there Tuesday this week for sure.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2394733]She was there Tuesday this week for sure.[/QUOTE]Avril is there now! .

I was there last night. I met a woman I already know. She told me:" the place is crowdy" and I replied:"I saw the place more crowdy than that. "

We kept discussing about changes that have happened, and I told her: "I know 85% of the face here, the new face aren't so attractive".

I like to go upstairs with a new woman, before to pursue my night thus I went to ask to a dark black girl with a nice ass who wore an orange string.

She declined.

I realize the relation Supply / Demand is very strong in Artemis: There are so many men for those Women, they can select who will get access to their orchid.

I ended up to spent time with women I knew from before sessions.

To someone who never been to Artemis could you give example of how the typical women there look like? For example from this escort site [URL]https://www.berlinintim.com/escorts-callgirls-berlin.html[/URL] or any pictures would be enough.

I know a lot have said they're plastic but like if I have a concrete example of the average face & body it would be appreciated because my imagination sucks.

[QUOTE=Mcfucking;2396295]To someone who never been to Artemis could you give example of how the typical women there look like? For example from this escort site [URL]https://www.berlinintim.com/escorts-callgirls-berlin.html[/URL] or any pictures would be enough.

I know a lot have said they're plastic but like if I have a concrete example of the average face & body it would be appreciated because my imagination sucks.[/QUOTE]I was there last week despite all negative reviews here.

It was great, it's a special experience to walk around and see all these beautiful naked women.

From the berlinintim page you linked I saw women like Angie, Perola, Barbara, Jessica, Simona.

I saw women ranked 4-10. The hottest girls are real stunners.

Not all women are that attractive, many have silicon, pumped lips, etc but that's not a problem since there are so many different types and characters to choose from. The point is that you are in control (as long as you can tell your reptile brain quiet, telling you to just fuck one that looks like a 7 or higher) and there are always (for me at least) a few 9 and 10 around that would be impossible to come near to 'in real life '. In Artemis these beauties will come to you when you make eye contact.

I found it difficult to take it easy and just picked a nice looking girl after half an hour without chatting and that's risky. Stupid me.

Some look great but have a bad attitude so I became disappointed in the room. So just relax, talk to many girls and be picky.

I did and had some great sex with another girl later in the evening. Yes, you can get the same experience in brothels etc but in Artemis you can take your time looking around and chat until you feel that the chemistry is there.

It's expensive but you can have a great time.

I will definitely repeat.

[QUOTE=Mcfucking;2396295]Could you give example of how the typical women there look like would be appreciated because my imagination sucks.[/QUOTE]Typically, they have a head (with eyes, ears, nose, mouth etc), some kind of boobs, arms, belly, some kind of vagina, a separate anus, and legs with feet. Hard to miss. And large amounts of money stuffed in their safe lockers.

Was here from 7:30 pm until around 11 pm on Sunday night.

Line-up was one of the worst I've ever seen in a club. The line-up can be best-described as grandmothers and tatted-up silicone has-beens. Most of the girls would fit in well in a horror show. I only saw a couple girls who I maybe could have gone with if I hadn't already been spent from 3 nights elsewhere.

Whoever is doing the hiring for Artemis must have been given an inspiration that goes something like this, "Please hire anyone other than cute, young girls. ".

80 Euro Eintritt. Dinner was passable.

Possibility of repeat: Never.

Positives: Contrary to some prior reports, the girls were not aggressive at all, and I was able to pass everywhere with no one hassling me or grabbing me. The girls were all pretty-much hands-off and I gratefully remained unmolested during my stay. I appreciated that the girls weren't aggressive. Much of the facilities inside were fairly nice.

Bottom line: Left with full balls.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2398221]Was here from 7:30 pm until around 11 pm on Sunday night...Line-up was one of the worst I've ever seen[/QUOTE]You have to know, as an experienced senior member that Sunday is a fairly weak night following the power days Thurs-Sat. Many frequently worn out and coffers full enough to enjoy / need some days off. So weak line up should not have been such a surprise and if you want to play the odds, Sundays are chilled out but to be avoided unless you know your favs will be there. Plus see positive review below from McFucking. All relative and subjective.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2398431]You have to know, as an experienced senior member that Sunday is a fairly weak night following the power days Thurs-Sat. Many frequently worn out and coffers full enough to enjoy / need some days off. So weak line up should not have been such a surprise and if you want to play the odds, Sundays are chilled out but to be avoided unless you know your favs will be there. Plus see positive review below from McFucking. All relative and subjective.[/QUOTE]Sorry I meant positive review from Shining.

Moreover, UH said he was hard at it for 3 days prior, and likely not at his best either. So take all this ill will a grain of salt.

Sunday can be a chilled out day, but a lot of the A team are resting and off. Those that remain can be more hard core, with more financial pressure etc. By no means all. Just it is a different mix and not really representative of the full line up.

Those of us "stuck" here in Berlin are quite happy about it-with thousands, literally, of options. We will abide.

Just back, very good lineup, plenty of pretty things, could have done 10 and am picky. Went with Riya? Pretty face, black haired Bul with body that could melt a volcano. Went plain vanilla 60/30 covered but was just fine. Just go on a full on night and you'll be fine.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2399940]Just back, very good lineup, plenty of pretty things, could have done 10 and am picky. Went with Riya? Pretty face, black haired Bul with body that could melt a volcano. Went plain vanilla 60/30 covered but was just fine. Just go on a full on night and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Just got back also. I agree whole heartedly. I'm pretty simple so stuck with 60/30 also. Went with terra from I want to say Dominican maybe? Perfect body who wears glasses. A tall slim Slovenian with bangs who was great. I repeated with some girls from the past. One who looks a lot like Selena Gomez and another brunet girl who always has just stockings on and a shorter hair cut. I also went last Saturday and the line ups were pretty full. Lots of guys both nights but never a lack of options. May try once again tomorrow. There was a red head who I've never been able to catch up with but loos fun.

Hi folks,

I plan visiting Artemis in two weeks ish.

Is Amy still around?

Thanks!

Make sure you wear a watch here because girls can arbitrarily go downstairs before what they promise you. Buffet was OK, had more interesting conversation with guys than high pressure girls who get upset if you don't take one. I left before the metro bahn closed to avoid the rip off taxis in front. Line up is good if you like black haired girls. Was looking for blondes and found one but was not as free going as in Budapest and less than high ball quotes in Prague. My advice try elsewhere. Is Army that weightlifting chic there?

Hi folks,

As I will be passing by Berlin soon, I was planning to visit Artemis on a Sunday.

What I'd like to ask to those who have already experience in Artemis, is Sunday totally to be avoided or still worth a go?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=NoMarriage;2400675]Make sure you wear a watch here because girls can arbitrarily go downstairs before what they promise you. Buffet was OK, had more interesting conversation with guys than high pressure girls who get upset if you don't take one. I left before the metro bahn closed to avoid the rip off taxis in front. Line up is good if you like black haired girls. Was looking for blondes and found one but was not as free going as in Budapest and less than high ball quotes in Prague. My advice try elsewhere. Is Army that weightlifting chic there?[/QUOTE]No Amy is a different girl from the weightlifting bodybuilder girl.

Amy is a non tattooed blonde blue eyed gem. She looks like Nesty pornstar.

The weightlifting blonde I don't know her name but she is great as well.

Recommended both Amy and the weightlifting girl.

Hello all,

Wednesday is supposed to be lingerie day. So that this mean that you don't see naked girls or at least their nude tits?

If so, is this day worthwhile or wasted money?

Thanks for your advise.

[QUOTE=AcidJazz;2400802]Hi folks, I was planning to visit Artemis on a Sunday. What I'd like to ask to those who have already experience in Artemis, is Sunday totally to be avoided or still worth a go?[/QUOTE]This was discussed all the way back to last week, a whopping 7 reports back. Nothing more to be said, except that famous German expression Lesen das gefickt Forum.

You have only asked basically the same questions, varying the city slightly, since 2018. Time to give something back to the ISG with some sort of report of your experience.

[QUOTE=SanPedro;2401016]Hello all,

Wednesday is supposed to be lingerie day. So that this mean that you don't see naked girls or at least their nude tits?

If so, is this day worthwhile or wasted money?

Thanks for your advise.[/QUOTE]The girls are still the same, even when wearing lingerie, so it depends if you are there to just watch girls or to have sex with them.

SanPedro is looking for some desinformation. Yayo.

I was at least once on a Wsche Wednesday in Artemis. No half truth here again, I swear.

A few of the hooker girls were wearing some kind of a whole body fishnet, transparent tops or brassiere's. I (maybe the average Joe or Ahmed or Peter, too) didn't need much fantasy to imagine how some of the titts will look like if they would jump fully nude right into my face or ear. (I still love you Habibi. So much).

One girl also wore a bra that made her nipples visible. Scandalous!

The one girl was wearing a bandeau. I just asked as I met her downstairs if she would "show me, please". She did so. Perfect a*cup. An hour later we went to room number two.

I was simply the best she ever had.

But the story was different with another brunette. She refused to open her bra, refused to give me a quick look at the Busen beforehand and all that because I'm cheap! Cheekiness!! Since then I've been hunted by her GROfamilie. Maybe the writings on the wall are true, I am a Fascho.

In general, every cent you spend to the pimp industry is wasted.

Some guys think that dessous are fetish. Fetish cost extra. That's why 80 e entry is an "offer" compared to the ordinary fetish free days where you pay the same to get in.

Other guys think it is a rip off. Paying 80 e just to see girls walk around in ski suits compared to the days were "the old, the fat and the ugly" are nude under the towel.

Personally I liked the 'Schlppi' day. Because some of the women lend more expression to their personality with their outfit.

You can also meet other mongers who like to wear thongs. But more often than not those guys are usually in NRW or working for LKA 418 and BND.

Could I use the elevator to drive from wellness floor directly up to the third floor to surprise BooBoo in her sleeping room?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2401528]The girls are still the same, even when wearing lingerie, so it depends if you are there to just watch girls or to have sex with them.[/QUOTE]I'm laughing my ass off. Technically I'm there to do both!

I once remarked in a strip club that I didn't see many guys in the room and the "lady" said, are you here to see the girls or the guys?! Still makes me chuckle.

Visited Artemis yesterday. It was Friday and I arrived at around 7 PM. On walking in I was surprised at how quiet it was. It was not empty, but being a weekend I was bracing my self for pounding music and crowds. That wasn't the case at all.

I didn't have high expectations based on previous visits and I guess that's why I was pleasantly surprised. The line up was strong. I would say at least 5-10 very doable women. There were 50 to 70 in total. All were above 5's. Another pleasant surprise was that the girls were not pushy. I was hanging around for a good 3 hours sipping on 10 EUR a glass whisky, and I was only approached twice and both girls were polite. Having said that, you do need to approach the girls if you are looking for action, especially the hot ones.

Anyways. I just wanted to report on two things. The current atmosphere, which was actually really good for a Friday night. And the prices.

I only went for one session. I was sat in a tipi in the main room when a random approached me. I can't remember her name but was she was a 6 to 7 I would say. I asked if she could give me a BBJ and CIM right here. She said yup, 160 EUR. I agreed knowing that after her I was going to go home. Her performance was adequate. I was done in about 10-15 minutes and that was probably the easiest 160 EUR she made all week.

Having been in Berlin for 4 nights with nothing but back to back mediocre experiences at the brothels, Artemis was a welcome relief. Its pricey compared to the rest of Germany, but hey, it is what it is. Would have I liked to pay 100 EUR for that service last night? Sure. Is the extra 60 EUR gonna stop me? Hell No.

EUR 160 for 10-15 minutes in Berlin ??
Whop on earth expereince Berlin punters would ever want to pay that ???

You should not pay more tahn EUR60 for 30 ninutes in Artemis. Another better alternatives id to travel to North Rhein Wesfallen (NRW) region, where you coulod expect to pay EUR 50 for half hours.

You could get many Hobby Huren that will do that for one hour, all inclusive.

Indeed, this is the easiest money the girls in Artemis could make. But hey it is your money anyway.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2404783]Visited Artemis yesterday. It was Friday and I arrived at around 7 PM. On walking in I was surprised at how quiet it was. It was not empty, but being a weekend I was bracing my self for pounding music and crowds. That wasn't the case at all.

I didn't have high expectations based on previous visits and I guess that's why I was pleasantly surprised. The line up was strong. I would say at least 5-10 very doable women. There were 50 to 70 in total. All were above 5's. Another pleasant surprise was that the girls were not pushy. I was hanging around for a good 3 hours sipping on 10 EUR a glass whisky, and I was only approached twice and both girls were polite. Having said that, you do need to approach the girls if you are looking for action, especially the hot ones.

Anyways. I just wanted to report on two things. The current atmosphere, which was actually really good for a Friday night. And the prices.

I only went for one session. I was sat in a tipi in the main room when a random approached me. I can't remember her name but was she was a 6 to 7 I would say. I asked if she could give me a BBJ and CIM right here. She said yup, 160 EUR. I agreed knowing that after her I was going to go home. Her performance was adequate. I was done in about 10-15 minutes and that was probably the easiest 160 EUR she made all week.

Having been in Berlin for 4 nights with nothing but back to back mediocre experiences at the brothels, Artemis was a welcome relief. Its pricey compared to the rest of Germany, but hey, it is what it is. Would have I liked to pay 100 EUR for that service last night? Sure. Is the extra 60 EUR gonna stop me? Hell No.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adindas;2404972]EUR 160 for 10-15 minutes in Berlin ??
Whop on earth expereince Berlin punters would ever want to pay that ???

You should not pay more tahn EUR60 for 30 ninutes in Artemis. Another better alternatives id to travel to North Rhein Wesfallen (NRW) region, where you coulod expect to pay EUR 50 for half hours.

You could get many Hobby Huren that will do that for one hour, all inclusive.

Indeed, this is the easiest money the girls in Artemis could make. But hey it is your money anyway.[/QUOTE]BBJ with CIM will cost most people 160 EUR at Artemis. Irrespective of whether you last 30 minutes or 10 minutes. Maybe some girls will agree to EUR110 (60 EUR+50 EUR). Otherwise it costs 60 EUR for 30 minutes + 50 EUR for BBJ + 50 EUR for CIM.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2404972]EUR 160 for 10-15 minutes in Berlin ??
Whop on earth expereince Berlin punters would ever want to pay that ???

You should not pay more tahn EUR60 for 30 ninutes in Artemis. Another better alternatives id to travel to North Rhein Wesfallen (NRW) region, where you coulod expect to pay EUR 50 for half hours.

You could get many Hobby Huren that will do that for one hour, all inclusive.

Indeed, this is the easiest money the girls in Artemis could make. But hey it is your money anyway.[/QUOTE]30 min = 60.

BBBJ = 50.

CIM = 50.

Sums up to 160.

Nothing strange.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2405106]Maybe some girls will agree to EUR110 (60 EUR+50 EUR)[/QUOTE]It was much easier last year. I tried to get that price 6 months ago and no girl would agree to it.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2405234]It was much easier last year. I tried to get that price 6 months ago and no girl would agree to it.[/QUOTE]I would say that about 50% of the girls accept 60 + 40 = 100 € for 30 min including BBJ.

But then it does not include CIM.

I'm writing this solely for the benefit of the person who, 12 months from now, might be scrolling back through this forum to make an assessment on whether or not to visit Artemis the day after Charismas. Read no further. Save your money and don't go.

I was there on the 23rd (see previous post) and the line up was looking positive. But after the 24 and 25th off days, the 26th is a big drop in line up. Most are probably on holiday until the new year, but also factor in that because they open at 6 PM on the 26th, everyone is already on the back foot. You still pay full entrance fee for half the time, technically. (Same will apply for Jan 2nd).

It was a complete sausage party. 50+ men to about 15 women. Only two women qualified for my hit list, but guys were clammering all over them.

Usually when the main room is looking sad the bar tenders and DJs would step in to liven up the atmosphere. Generous pours and bumping music can usually turn things around. But not here. Mariah Carry's Christmas album was on repeat and the 10 EUR drinks were just as weak.

Anyway. If you can avoid it. You probably should.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2406683]I'm writing this solely for the benefit of the person who, 12 months from now, might be scrolling back through this forum to make an assessment on whether or not to visit Artemis the day after Charismas. Read no further. Save your money and don't go.

I was there on the 23rd (see previous post) and the line up was looking positive. But after the 24 and 25th off days, the 26th is a big drop in line up. Most are probably on holiday until the new year, but also factor in that because they open at 6 PM on the 26th, everyone is already on the back foot. You still pay full entrance fee for half the time, technically. (Same will apply for Jan 2nd).

It was a complete sausage party. 50+ men to about 15 women. Only two women qualified for my hit list, but guys were clammering all over them.

Usually when the main room is looking sad the bar tenders and DJs would step in to liven up the atmosphere. Generous pours and bumping music can usually turn things around. But not here. Mariah Carry's Christmas album was on repeat and the 10 EUR drinks were just as weak.

Anyway. If you can avoid it. You probably should.[/QUOTE]Yikes!

Nothing worse than a sausage fest, LOL.

Thanks for the reporting and heads up!

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2406683]I'm writing this solely for the benefit of the person who, 12 months from now, might be scrolling back through this forum to make an assessment on whether or not to visit Artemis the day after Charismas. Read no further. Save your money and don't go.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for looking out for everyone, I'm not too surprised as it's the holidays and Artemis has a poor reputation amongst FKK's but then they have no competition in Berlin. (Yet another reason why Berlin is low on my Job hunt list despite all the opportunities.).

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2406683]I'm writing this solely for the benefit of the person who, 12 months from now, might be scrolling back through this forum to make an assessment on whether or not to visit Artemis the day after Charismas. Read no further. Save your money and don't go.[/QUOTE]Usually Artemis' last good weekend of the year is about one week before Christmas. So you have been lucky this year as I wouldn't go there after December 20. Adding to this, better to avoid January as well. Many girls want to stay longer with family and friends.

I know I know the whole world was waiting, sorry for the late response, but I was busy with a fake business meeting at midnight. The industrial meth kitchen Ceo's are always that late and they talk and they talk without saying something. A bit like Lawyers who are decorating lies.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2404783]Visited Artemis yesterday. It was Friday and I arrived at around 7 PM. On walking in I was surprised at how quiet it was. It was not empty, but being a weekend I was bracing my self for pounding music and crowds. That wasn't the case at all..[/QUOTE]I like this nickname.

Was it the night when the parking lot was packed with cabs all over like two yellow snakes till down to Halensee road?

If so, it reminds me of the guy who drives all day in hot summer with closed windows, to make people believe his car has air condition.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2405149]30 min = 60.

BBBJ = 50.

CIM = 50.

Sums up to 160.

Nothing strange.[/QUOTE]Minus.

Entry = 80.

Pretax = 30.

Bedroom rent (if) = 30.

There is the profit of 20 euro.

That is not that much, hopefully she found four or five more 'fake it' customers that night to pay back some owes, enjoy a few days in snow (made by snow cannons) or whatever.

You mongers should pay more otherwise the hookers need to start working as towel lady's too to finance the hobby. Getting rich in FKK Klub.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2407494]Adding to this, better to avoid January as well. Many girls want to stay longer with family and friends.[/QUOTE]Excellent opportunity for the young and the slim natural born galactic service providing Mdels from NRW to make a dream come true.

Become an Artemis girl.

Cut the service, triple the prices, smell the money. Just breath deep through the nose. And again.

Dopamine.

It's going to be awesome in January in Artemis. The girls just need to go there.

I should also greet Canary. Sandra still loves you. You are the man of her life. And I am writing this with no ill will.

Slide in well. People.

But this sounds like the situation in all other clubs, including the best ones in Germany. This is not specific to Artemis, which is mostly making money off of american and asian business people. Hence its bad reputation among those that know the other options.

[QUOTE=FakeIt;2406683]I'm writing this solely for the benefit of the person who, 12 months from now, might be scrolling back through this forum to make an assessment on whether or not to visit Artemis the day after Charismas. Read no further. Save your money and don't go.

I was there on the 23rd (see previous post) and the line up was looking positive. But after the 24 and 25th off days, the 26th is a big drop in line up. Most are probably on holiday until the new year, but also factor in that because they open at 6 PM on the 26th, everyone is already on the back foot. You still pay full entrance fee for half the time, technically. (Same will apply for Jan 2nd).

It was a complete sausage party. 50+ men to about 15 women. Only two women qualified for my hit list, but guys were clammering all over them.

Usually when the main room is looking sad the bar tenders and DJs would step in to liven up the atmosphere. Generous pours and bumping music can usually turn things around. But not here. Mariah Carry's Christmas album was on repeat and the 10 EUR drinks were just as weak.

Anyway. If you can avoid it. You probably should.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2408315]This is not specific to Artemis, which is mostly making money off of american and asian business people. Hence its bad reputation among those that know the other options.[/QUOTE]You are certainly right about slow season overall. But wrong about Artemis clientele. Yanks and Asians on any night are less than 5% of mongers. By a long shot they are mostly Germans (duh), a fair number of Italians especially on the weekends, and then Brits and Scandis and a mix of all else.

And if you read actual recent reports, by people who have actually recently been there, people who know what they are doing, and are relaxed about themselves and are choosy, are enjoying themselves. Which is why, with all its warts and problems, it is busy busy busy. Wed-Sat.

Hello friendly people,

I will have some time in Berlin next week. I'm still not decided should I go and try this FKK experience in Artemis or not. That would be my first time in FKK and even first time paying for sex at all. From what I read here the girls might smell the noob / tourist in me and try to scam me. Tried to talk some friends into this, but they are ether not interested or will judge doing such thing. Also if I would go I probably would spend there a whole day. Would feel award sitting there the whole day by myself. Also I'm 30 YO. Not willing to pay for any girl that is older than me.

Looking for advice should I go there by myself?

[QUOTE=Vifate;2408584]That would be my first time in FKK and even first time paying for sex at all. From what I read here the girls might smell the noob / tourist in me and try to scam me.Looking for advice should I go there by myself?[/QUOTE]Not so easy to answer this. Going alone not a problem as the guys are quite friendly and if you make even a slight effort, you will surely meet locals who will be fun to hang with. Very good idea to do that -ask for recommendations or whom to avoid, etc. The real unknowns are with you, and how you will react in this situation. Can only offer some choices and things to think about. First, I would skip Sun-Wed. Artemis is slower on these days, even more so in early January. You will have many more choices Thurs-Sat. It is also really quiet til maybe 16-1700-can be only 20 girls vs. 70-100 later. The full evening shift is not completely there till about 2000. The dead daytime has some advantages as atmosphere is chilled, but choices are limited. You can always swim and sauna but still. In the warmer season, being able to be outdoors changes this but it can get pretty dreary in winter. So advice is go a little later. Alternatively you can go early, if too boring, leave and come back later, for no extra charge-front reception desk will explain all, quite easy. On the power nights Fri-Sat after 2230 it will be busier, and sometimes you may need to wait for a room, main area can get smokier etc. How you pace yourself -how many times you want to session, how much time you need between, is something you will have to work out.

Many will say Artemis is an intimidating place for a newbie. I think that depends really on the newbie, how much confidence one has, how relaxed one can be etc. Certainly the first 30 min, seeing all these naked beauties is quite the shock (though most would say in a very good way) as suddenly you realize whoa, whole new game, whole new rules vs. The real world.

The trick here is just take it all very very slow. Just sit for an hour observing all options. Don't jump at first proposition. If asked, you can say first time at Artemis but not first time at FKK (say you were at Globe in Zurich or something). When you find someone attractive, be very sure you make some small talk first and feel the vibe-watch her eyes, body language. This sense of determining whether she is comfortable is the most important skill you need to develop and it only comes with practice.

Absolutely discuss what you want, what you should both expect, how much time, and what all will cost BEFORE GOING UP TO A ROOM. Be very clear on this last bit, how it fits in your budget, how many times more you think you might session etc. If you have the slightest doubt, if something does not feel right, just say no, and walk away. And if for some reason this becomes necessary you can even do this inside a room in the first minute or so. Plenty of other options there. Maybe for the very first time just go simple - 30 minutes, 60 Eur, but say "if things go well you might stay longer". Girls have obvious interest in closing the deal quickly. You just need to take enough time to feel right. And again, if you are even just a little unsure, don't go, and choose someone else. And do not get suckered into stupid prices. Lots of discussion on what all can cost in this thread. Also good idea to have a watch so you can keep an idea of time, where you want to be at a given moment (foreplay vs the final stretch, different positions etc.) all helped by quick look at watch.

The big advantage A has is that you do have plenty of time to sort all this out. You can chat with a girl, and just say maybe later, etc. One could argue that for a first time, a decent bordello like Liberty on Martin Luther Strasse might be an alternative. Girls are nice, prices lower- the difference is you have like 5 seconds to decide during the parade as all introduce themselves. That creates its own pressure so you just have to decide what works for you. There is another, Prestige, that can be OK, and is a 5 minute walk from Artemis. You might just walk in to either, see the choices, then decide.

If you just follow these simple rules, you should be fine. And plenty of "under 30" girls. But you also might find that actually it is the older girls who are a lot better experience (they are just more comfortable IMHO with sex) and experiment a little. Artemis is certainly worth a look just for the experience. Just stay frosty, and use common sense.

There are a mix of reports here. Some angry, some bitter, some nuts, some had really great time. Kind of like the real world. It will depend a fair bit on you, and everyone is different. Good luck and report back on the results of your trip.

[QUOTE=Vifate;2408584]Hello friendly people,

I will have some time in Berlin next week. I'm still not decided should I go and try this FKK experience in Artemis or not. That would be my first time in FKK and even first time paying for sex at all. From what I read here the girls might smell the noob / tourist in me and try to scam me. Tried to talk some friends into this, but they are ether not interested or will judge doing such thing. Also if I would go I probably would spend there a whole day. Would feel award sitting there the whole day by myself. Also I'm 30 YO. Not willing to pay for any girl that is older than me.

Looking for advice should I go there by myself?[/QUOTE]I was at Artemis last weekend with 3 other friends all in our low / mid 20's, we had a ton of fun but it was a bad timing since many of the women where on a holiday so the line up was "meeehhh" at best but still a ton of hot women around. Sunday after 12 was a sausage party through not kidding like 6 guys for every girl it was horrible.

But you should definitely go, its not even a question. Fridays / Saturdays are the power days so arriving around 7-8 is perfect. My tips would be:

1. Don't go with the first girl that comes to you take your time and look at the lineup and see who you like the most.

2. If a girl is aggressive or pissed of that you don't go with her you dodged a bullet she would have been bad in the room.

3. Start with 60 euro /30 min first time not matter what she says.

4. Never tell them that its your first time there.

Thank a lot for great tips! I might try Thursday. One question. I'm sure it was already answered many time, but I haven't found it in last 50 pages of the forum. Where do you keep the cache? As I understood after entering you have to go to a shower and than just come to main room with just a towel. Do I keep a wallet in hand all the time? What if I'm having only some 100 bills. Will girls give a change from it? I guess it is two questions.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2408837]Not so easy to answer this. Going alone not a problem as the guys are quite friendly and if you make even a slight effort, you will surely meet locals who will be fun to hang with. Very good idea to do that -ask for recommendations or whom to avoid, etc. The real unknowns are with you, and how you will react in this situation. Can only offer some choices and things to think about. First, I would skip Sun-Wed. Artemis is slower on these days, even more so in early January. You will have many more choices Thurs-Sat. It is also really quiet til maybe 16-1700-can be only 20 girls vs. 70-100 later. The full evening shift is not completely there till about 2000. The dead daytime has some advantages as atmosphere is chilled, but choices are limited. You can always swim and sauna but still. In the warmer season, being able to be outdoors changes this but it can get pretty dreary in winter. So advice is go a little later. Alternatively you can go early, if too boring, leave and come back later, for no extra charge-front reception desk will explain all, quite easy. On the power nights Fri-Sat after 2230 it will be busier, and sometimes you may need to wait for a room, main area can get smokier etc. How you pace yourself -how many times you want to session, how much time you need between, is something you will have to work out.[/QUOTE]Sounds great! Just wish I would be able to also go with friends and not alone. I really have no clue how I would behave with a pushy naked lady. I hope I can keep it cool!

[QUOTE=BroteinShake69;2408917]I was at Artemis last weekend with 3 other friends all in our low / mid 20's, we had a ton of fun but it was a bad timing since many of the women where on a holiday so the line up was "meeehhh" at best but still a ton of hot women around. Sunday after 12 was a sausage party through not kidding like 6 guys for every girl it was horrible.

But you should definitely go, its not even a question. Fridays / Saturdays are the power days so arriving around 7-8 is perfect.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vifate;2408993]Thank a lot for great tips! I might try Thursday. I haven't found it in last 50 pages of the forum. Where do you keep the cache? [/QUOTE]First, you can change 100 Eur to far more useful 50's and 20's at the front desk. Or if you are at a bank automat outside, many ATMs offer the option to get a mix of bills. But no need to stress over this as all can be done at reception desk. They have lots of cash (ha ha). Thursday is a good night. Full strength lineup, slightly less crowded than Fri-Sat.

After you pay the entrance fee, as you go up the stairs, on the left side, you will see well over 500 small safe money lockers, that both mongers and girls use. These open / close with same number as your clothes locker, using the wristband you will get upon payment. So you just store money, cell phone, etc. There. Safe, under video surveillance, and easy access.

One other thing to consider. I think the house London condoms are shit. Basically mini trash can liners. Non-latex much more sensitive. You can get various models at DM or Rossman stores, but the best feeling are made from poly-urethene which they don't have. On Amazon, there are some from Ceylor or Blausiegel. Some girls are understandably concerned about the safety of condoms brought by mongers but if you keep them in some small pocket pouch, it shows you protect them, and I have never had a problem. The good ones come in what looks like a small marmalade round dish and are also super easy to put on. No fidgetting for which side etc. These all work out to 2 Eur per use but well worth it to increase the pleasure. Big difference in feeling. If you have time, sort this before leaving.

Take it slow, good luck. Report adventures.

[QUOTE=BroteinShake69;2408917]I was at Artemis last weekend..so the line up was "meeehhh" at best but still a ton of hot women around. [/QUOTE]How can the LU be both "meh" and full of "a ton of hot women" This would violate the "Pauli Exclusion Principle", a fundamental law of physics.

[QUOTE=Vifate;2408993]Thank a lot for great tips! I might try Thursday. One question. I'm sure it was already answered many time, but I haven't found it in last 50 pages of the forum. Where do you keep the cache? As I understood after entering you have to go to a shower and than just come to main room with just a towel. Do I keep a wallet in hand all the time? What if I'm having only some 100 bills. Will girls give a change from it? I guess it is two questions.

Sounds great! Just wish I would be able to also go with friends and not alone. I really have no clue how I would behave with a pushy naked lady. I hope I can keep it cool![/QUOTE]On your way from reception to the locker room there are safes on your left side where you place your wallet / cash. The safe has the same number as your locker and key. After session you and the girl go to the safe and you give her the money. The girls do change your money at reception, no problem at all.

Go for it kid!

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[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2409243]After you pay the entrance fee, as you go up the stairs, on the left side, you will see well over 500 small safe money lockers, that both mongers and girls use. These open / close with same number as your clothes locker, using the wristband you will get upon payment. So you just store money, cell phone, etc. There. Safe, under video surveillance, and easy access.[/QUOTE]Forgot to add this to be clear. So you store all your millions in the safe lockers. You never carry any cash around with you in your robe. When you are done with a room session, you return to the lockers with the girl, she waits there, you unlock the treasure chest, and pay whatever you agreed. You will likely see many others doing this. It is the most romantic part of the evening.

One final tip to help you keep it together, viewable in this instructional video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jm-_5CjY34[/URL].

Hi,

Can anybody confirm if the outside jacuzzi is open for use in vintertime?

Hi guys,

Question:

I've been at Artemis a long time ago (2 years). And it was Monday & Tuesday and the line up was very pure (quality and quantity).

In the last 4 years I am going to Oase in Frankfurt.

I'm coming to Berlin again at the middle of February.

How's the lineup these days in Artemis at the weekends? (maybe compare to Oase.).

Hows the extras from the girls side?

(in Oase most of the girls do extras, include anal).

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Papipapi2;2410144]Hi,
Can anybody confirm if the outside jacuzzi is open for use in vintertime?[/QUOTE]I reported on this before but admin must have deleted it. The Jacuzi outside is a non-event. It is a bathtub for children. Outside area is closed during winter time. So even the children's event is not available.

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know the name and where I can find some information / photo (like her website) of a beautiful redhead Romanian girl with black heels that I met last Saturday (11/01) at Artemis.

She talks also Italian, long straight red hair, beautiful ass, fake boobs.

Is she regular at Artemis??

Please help me!

[QUOTE=MickeySabbath;2412682]Hello everyone,

Does anyone know the name and where I can find some information / photo (like her website) of a beautiful redhead Romanian girl with black heels that I met last Saturday (11/01) at Artemis.

She talks also Italian, long straight red hair, beautiful ass, fake boobs.

Is she regular at Artemis??

Please help me![/QUOTE]Does she have milky white skin?

I can bet it is Avril you have met. You can read about her in posts in this thread.

I have never heard of any Artemis girls have any web sites.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2412998]Does she have milky white skin?

I can bet it is Avril you have met. You can read about her in posts in this thread.

I have never heard of any Artemis girls have any web sites.[/QUOTE]I thought Avril retired / disappeared a couple years ago?

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2412998]
I have never heard of any Artemis girls have any web sites.[/QUOTE]Have to correct myself! I think Jenna have a website.

[QUOTE=MickeySabbath;2412682]Hello everyone,

Does anyone know the name and where I can find some information / photo (like her website) of a beautiful redhead Romanian girl with black heels that I met last Saturday (11/01) at Artemis.

She talks also Italian, long straight red hair, beautiful ass, fake boobs.

Is she regular at Artemis??

Please help me![/QUOTE]Might be using a different name than Avril. Red hair. Very white. Started first in Artemis around 2013. Took. Along vacation and came back last year. Very very sweet. Super hot. And if I recall correctly, her service is also quite good. Yes she is a regular in Artemis. Normally sits alone towards the inside of the club or some where close to the backdoor of the men lockers.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2413377]Might be using a different name than Avril. Red hair. Very white. Started first in Artemis around 2013. Took. Along vacation and came back last year. Very very sweet. Super hot. And if I recall correctly, her service is also quite good. Yes she is a regular in Artemis. Normally sits alone towards the inside of the club or some where close to the backdoor of the men lockers.[/QUOTE]On the subject of backdoor, below is my long winded trip report on my session with her way back then. This before she had her bolt-ONS and dyed her hair red.

[QUOTE=Howie;1538349]
In summary, Avril is definitely a girl that I would do again. Mostly because Artemis is currently lacking in hot stunners for my taste and Avril fulfils my service needs. For Optics she is an 8; Attitude a 9 and Service a full on 10.[/QUOTE]By the way, has anyone seen Even around at Artemis these days? Romanian, brunette, beautiful face, slim and slightly tanned gazelle body with B+ silicons. About 1.70 m tall. No visible tattoos. Normally wears thick black framed glasses. The most amazing feature about her was her protruding nipples, about half inch in length. Last time I saw her was May 2019. Would love to repeat again if she is still there.

Thanks...Howie.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2413024]Have to correct myself! I think Jenna have a website.[/QUOTE]Yes, she does.

[URL]https://www.mydirtyhobby.com/profil/4389110-Nova-Nice[/URL]

The site also serves as a testament to the horrors of overdone plastic surgery.

I am interested in knowing if Kisha / Felicity (De / Bra) is still working at Artemis, she only works daytime. She has a big scar on her back along with many tattoos covering her body, she is a petite girl with modest enhanced tits and kind of fluffy light brown hair with a beautiful face. She normally hangs out with the German gang on the first end of the bar when you enter the main lounge.

Take care fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=Howie;2413608]On the subject of backdoor, below is my long winded trip report on my session with her way back then. This before she had her bolt-ONS and dyed her hair red.

By the way, has anyone seen Even around at Artemis these days? Romanian, brunette, beautiful face, slim and slightly tanned gazelle body with B+ silicons. About 1.70 m tall. No visible tattoos. Normally wears thick black framed glasses. The most amazing feature about her was her protruding nipples, about half inch in length. Last time I saw her was May 2019. Would love to repeat again if she is still there.

Thanks...Howie.[/QUOTE]A girl with "thick black framed glasses" and that fits your description was there this Saturday, tanned and slim. I have seen her before but maybe half a year ago so it may be Even. Black / dark brown hair. Very hot.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2412998]Does she have milky white skin?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Danny227;2413377]Might be using a different name than Avril. Red hair. Very white. Started first in Artemis around 2013. Took. Along vacation and came back last year. Very very sweet. Super hot. And if I recall correctly, her service is also quite good. Yes she is a regular in Artemis. Normally sits alone towards the inside of the club or some where close to the backdoor of the men lockers.[/QUOTE]Yes, she has a really white skin with a mole near the belly button, like she has two belly buttons and if I remember right, she is 25 years old.

I sincerely do not remember the name "Avril", but maybe I was inattentive.

I agree with you about the service, very very good and damn hot.

Could be her?

I'm planning a visit for Artemis.

I'm planning to meet some beauties. Maybe Germans. Are there any on line up this days? Last time visited on November and there was 3-4 stunners available.

What is the best day to find this stunners?

I don't know ig a Saturday is best option since is very crowded.

[QUOTE=MickeySabbath;2413927]Yes, she has a really white skin with a mole near the belly button, like she has two belly buttons and if I remember right, she is 25 years old.

I sincerely do not remember the name "Avril", but maybe I was inattentive. I agree with you about the service, very very good and damn hot.Could be her?[/QUOTE]Or Annabelle?

[QUOTE=Kostass;2414058]I'm planning a visit for Artemis.

I'm planning to meet some beauties. Maybe Germans. Are there any on line up this days? Last time visited on November and there was 3-4 stunners available.[/QUOTE]I visited Artemis yesterday.

Wonderful scenery, lots of beautiful girls, no pushy and relaxed ambient.

I was very lucky to find two excellent girls, both very sexy, motivated and nice. Sex was very good and thereafter a very nice small talk, with no time pressure at all.

I paid both 60 euros and tipped with 10 euros.

Both with kissing (I didn't try deep) and didn't stop smiling.

One was Nina from Jamaica, wonderful ass (like those you only find in black women), tits with extremely prominent nipples, very beautiful face.

The other was Chiana (hope I spell right) from Brazil, typical Brazilian body, long black hair, mulata, a bit mature (mid 30's).

I talked also with some Germans, They were very friendly but they are expensive, asking at lesat 50 euros for extras.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2414193]Or Annabelle?[/QUOTE]Annabelle and Avril are two different girls, just so that is clear. .

[QUOTE=MickeySabbath;2413927]Yes, she has a really white skin with a mole near the belly button, like she has two belly buttons and if I remember right, she is 25 years old.

I sincerely do not remember the name "Avril", but maybe I was inattentive.

I agree with you about the service, very very good and damn hot.

Could be her?[/QUOTE]She still uses the name Avril. Checked. Very friendly girl, very white, very pretty, nice ass.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2414403]Annabelle and Avril are two different girls, just so that is clear..[/QUOTE]Could you describe Annabelle?

[QUOTE=MickeySabbath;2414503]Could you describe Annabelle?[/QUOTE]Annabelle, very white, pretty face and bugger lips than Avril. More wavy hair with volume than Avril who has straight hair. No tits, all natural. Ass is somewhat bigger and deformed slash fluffy. Stripper heels but shorter heel than the standard 20 cm heel. Likes to wear socks with her heels but not always. Avril will have black heels with some sort of black stockings material type socks. Annabelle is a Rapunzel of sorts. Can't really miss her. All in all very beautiful, very room worthy for her looks, not a perfect model body at all for model seekers, but she got some bad reports that raise doubts about performance. Personally I kind of like her. If you get on her good side she is quite funny and fun. Please report if you give her a shot in the room. One important note is that a 60 euro session is not a measurement as most Artemis girl don't perform at that price.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2414432]She still uses the name Avril. Checked. Very friendly girl, very white, very pretty, nice ass.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Glad to know she's back. Avril is one of my ATFs, and I hope she's working next time I'm in Berlin.

I met Anabelle in November, very beautiful face but I wouldn't recommend.

Poor service, just wants your money, no real implication at all. And continuously upselling like the in the market.

Too bad she is a beauty.

Avril was always good for a great BBBJ NQNS CIM. I guess that's over with the new rules?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2418000]Avril was always good for a great BBBJ NQNS CIM. I guess that's over with the new rules?[/QUOTE]Some / many of the girls still deliver services as before the new law, but it comes with an extra cost. You have to ask the girl.

I was at the Artemis yesterday on 28.1 from around 11 pm until the the morning of 29.1.

There I met a Russian girl named Tanya / Tatyana, brunette, thinnish but with quite big boobs and beautiful face, having a bit of a mean edge on her look (a bit like Megan Fox). I lost her at critical points of the night and still regretting it majorly that not going up with her. Would like to know how I could find a way to figure out when she will be there the next time or does she do business on her own too. Would anybody here know?

[QUOTE=Tegrity;2418045]how I could find a way to figure out when she will be there the next time or does she do business on her own too.[/QUOTE]Just call the main number and ask. The front desk can at least tell if she is gone, or scheduled to come in at some time. Though it is never really 100% til about 20:00. They have a master list of who is where, every day. Best to call like 16:00 when not too busy.

On "other business" - highly unlikely but you will need to ask her directly if and when you ever meet.

[QUOTE=Tegrity;2418045]I was at the Artemis yesterday on 28.1 from around 11 pm until the the morning of 29.1.[/QUOTE]Tegrity, this was the dessous day. Were the girls really not naked? Wasn't this fact ruining a bit the experience?

[QUOTE=Tegrity;2418045]I was at the Artemis yesterday on 28.1 from around 11 pm until the the morning of 29.1.

There I met a Russian girl named Tanya / Tatyana, brunette, thinnish but with quite big boobs and beautiful face, having a bit of a mean edge on her look (a bit like Megan Fox). I lost her at critical points of the night and still regretting it majorly that not going up with her. Would like to know how I could find a way to figure out when she will be there the next time or does she do business on her own too. Would anybody here know?[/QUOTE]Has some pimples residue on her cheeks? Not too tall. Strong blue eyes. She is Romanian. Works most night but for sure on weekends, but comes only in the evening after 8 PM.

Dateline Berlin! As my week of FKK vacations comes to an end I decide that I will spend 1 night in an FKK / Artemis and then find a crazy BDSM club for my last night. 8 days, 7 places and 6 FKK clubs. (Took a night off due to plane schedules and bad logistics in the middle of the week).

Getting close to the weekend, and arrived at the club after 6. 20 to 25 girls. Over the course of the night I saw so many different girls some fat, some skinny, some really hourglass shaped, some old, some young, some with breasts the size of soccer balls, maybe bigger. A couple that could pass for men. One even looked like she was 12! White haired short girl. The most diverse selection I have seen at a club so far. Also the only club I visited that had more than one African working at a time. This club had several including a cute smaller figured girl with bleached blond hair.

I walked around for the first hour but no one clicked. At 7;30 the late shift started to arrive and by 8:30 the number of ladies goes up and up. So many girls. I talk with a few Germans one guy has nothing to tell me cause all the girls he likes are not there. The next guy is like the German wikipedia. He knows every girl. Tells me to not go with my first choice, a very slender tall Ro leaning on the tall glass case to the left of the main door. The 3 girls hanging together are all bad. Two more girls he likes are too "heavy" for me, one is very Rubenesque, the next has ripply thighs. I see a very tough looking woman with dark tan. Penelope. I remember reading about her in the German forum. He says ONLY GO WITH HER if the chemistry clicks right away otherwise she is "profi" but there is no fun in the sex. He also says the blond at the end of the bar near the door w / tattoos, Alicia is excellent. Not GFE but expert. She has nice nipple rings.

I decide to try Penelope first. She has a severe look, hard edge to her stare. Overall spray on (tan, and black hair. She looks at me and immediately asks, what do I like- very businesslike! I say ice cream and skiing or did you mean sex? She is laughing I say anal is my favorite. She says "if you have a big black mamba snake NO". But I can deep throat anything. And baby I can make you cum. I can lick your balls and your ass like no one else. She is very careful to go over the prices. 60430 plus 20 extra without condom plus 50 CIM. Plus 100 for anal. Not "package deals" all a la cart. A bit formal but clear. No doubts you pay for every extra choice (like starbucks if you want two shots of syrup and soy milk). I say what happens if I chose anal and you say too big. And she says don't worry you will like my deep throat. What the heck. By now I've been at the club for close to two hours and I'm very horny and think if the German guy bends over too long, I might attack!

We go upstairs and she says let me tell you about the price one more time so you know what it will cost. I like her being so clear. It's the same prices and choices as downstairs so I get a good vibe! She says let's see how big you get and then we discuss what we can do!! She's not really happy about anal but is willing to try and I say let's go oral. She worked hard to make me CIM but it wasn't to be so we took time with sex in different positions and then finished with the doggie position very fit. I like looking at her ass but am sad I'm seeing it from the outside! Total damage 80 euros. Talked for 15 extra minutes. She said she liked me She has been in Artemis 2 years and somewhere else for 4-5 years before Artemis.

Come back down. Sauna, Massage. Then shower. Then coffee and a light dinner. And meet two Israelis. Great talk while I recover. The older guy keeps me laughing, especially when he tell me he likes Schalke and I tell him I watched the Bayern game from an FKK the other night. He's ready to cry! We are standing in the hall on the spiral staircase landing, watching the girls go up and down the stairs. I'm thinking this is a damn good life. Then I see Sophia that the local German guy recommended but she tells me she will be back in 30 and find me. Damn. Annoyed but figure 30 minutes. 30 turns to 60 and still no Sophia. Talked to a Turkish girl with lots of curly frizzy hair piled on top of head. Perky be / see sized breasts. Slim and fit. Shisha? Can't remember the exact name. Had glasses. Almost went with her but decided, I will come back tomorrow and save myself for the love of my life, Sophia.

Day 2/ Friday. Supposed to be my last night in Berlin and I originally planned to visit a BDSM club. But I can't get the image of Sophia or Shisha out of my head. It's early afternoon and at Artemis and I'm under a time deadline as I have to meet friends at 7:30 in Berlin Mitte. Now I'm hungry to start the sex. No can find Sophia, no can find Shisha. Have the worst two things working against me, I'm in a hurry and I can't find the right girl. Finally I find one who has a similar body to Shisha and is also wearing glasses. She is sitting on the couch in a group. Left of the door a few seats in when you enter Still I have this fantasy about long hair while getting a BJ. OH well. I also want to be 6 foot 6 and twenty years younger but that ain't happening either. Fast sex. CIM. I think it was 100 or 120. Neither of us is all that happy, she's got to rinse a few times and I'm feeling, I just cheated on Shisha and Sophia. I go back upstair for a coffee and several of the ladies say they remember me from the day before. I think they are lying until one says, you asked everyone about anal but did not come to me. Oh well, I guess there are worse things to be known for?!

I tell them, I am tired and probably can't do anal, but one says "she can make it happen". I think her name began with an M. Dark hair, spoke German and English? So after an hour with the clock ticking I go back over to her and up we go. Nice room, lots of mirrors, but no matter how hard she tries, anal is not going to happen. So I tell her we should just fuck and she can use her hands to finish me off. After she asks me for the 100 for anal, She says YOU PROMISED. I say, honey YOU PROMISED TOO, so we are both disappointed. Still I gave her 100 for 30, (60 +20 oral + tip) and she seemed satisfied. I'm sure there are guys who might have felt guilty not being able to do the anal and paid anyway. If this had been my first night of FKKs, I might have been that guy! Showered caught the S bahn into town and made my event.

Thanks again to everyone who posted in Artemis. I knew what to expect and made the most of my two nights. And this ends my FucKKation in German. 8 days, 7 nights, 6 clubs (and one day off for recharge).

A line up was very strong recently, lots of new, hotties of all shapes and colors. Management also seems to have cracked the whip on up-selling. Several girls said that all are told BBBJ Kissing, DATY 80430, across the board. That makes it compatible with normal Berlin private apt bordellos.

Had great time with Carllotta (RO) blonde, maybe 30 ish, full breasted, natural beauty. Things changing finally for the better.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2419186]I tell them, I am tired and probably can't do anal, but one says "she can make it happen". I think her name began with an M. Dark hair, spoke German and English? So after an hour with the clock ticking I go back over to her and up we go. Nice room, lots of mirrors, but no matter how hard she tries, anal is not going to happen. So I tell her we should just fuck and she can use her hands to finish me off. After she asks me for the 100 for anal, She says YOU PROMISED. I say, honey YOU PROMISED TOO, so we are both disappointed. Still I gave her 100 for 30, (60 +20 oral + tip) and she seemed satisfied. I'm sure there are guys who might have felt guilty not being able to do the anal and paid anyway. If this had been my first night of FKKs, I might have been that guy! Showered caught the S bahn into town and made my event.[/QUOTE]Never, ever pay for services you have not received! Whether that be because the girl chose not to perform them, or you decided that ultimately you did not want them. I get extremely annoyed at these short-term thinking, non-customer focused, desperate tutes! I've even had some stand there and say that I owe them a session because they stood there and talked to me for a few minutes. Get out of here! Anybody pulls this kind of thing on me like they did Tintin, not only would I not pay for anal that I did not receive, nor would I tip. Further, I would not feel guilty about it either.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2419321]Never, ever pay for services you have not received! Whether that be because the girl chose not to perform them, or you decided that ultimately you did not want them. I get extremely annoyed at these short-term thinking, non-customer focused, desperate tutes! I've even had some stand there and say that I owe them a session because they stood there and talked to me for a few minutes. Get out of here! Anybody pulls this kind of thing on me like they did Tintin, not only would I not pay for anal that I did not receive, nor would I tip. Further, I would not feel guilty about it either.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. Also, I am not going to Artemis. There is low service lever and prices are extreme. So many good apartments where girls don't look if we stay an extra 5 minutes and in Artemis I get charged a minimum of 60 extra making a one hour room 220 euro minimum. Also, the girl mix is crazy. Too many greedy German girls. I too a tall blonde Russian with a Cleopatra haircut last time I was there that did a good job. Maybe they should bring more Romanians, Russians and Bulgarians and thin out the heavy German presence.

Long time lurker here. I've got a lot of great information from this site over the years so decided I should start adding my reports to give a little back.

I was in Berlin for work last week and decided on Thursday night (30th January) to take a trip to Artemis. To be honest I was pretty tired even before going, but I always try to visit at least once when in Berlin. I arrived around 9 pm and left around 12.30. When I arrived the place was already full, probably 50 girls in the bar area alone and a similar number of guys. The lineup looked pretty good. Very few 10/10 stunners but many girls that I'd rate 7-8 out of 10. Lots of variation in age, shape and plastic. A few girls were pushy but I told them no thanks and that did the trick. In the time I was there I had two sessions. Honestly I cannot for the life of me remember the girls names, so some other forum members may be able to help:

(1) A blonde Ukrainian, she was sitting on the left side of the bar and called me over as I was walking past. She was tall (probably 175 cm without heels), natural see-the cup boobs, probably mid-30's. She wouldn't have been my first choice but she seemed enthusiastic at the bar and I never like to wait too long to get my first shot off. First, the good: she had a great body with nice bouncy boobs, which were a delight to watch in doggy or with her on top. Then, the bad, of which there is a lot: she kept holding her hand around the base of my cock, both when giving BJ and when fucking, so that it was impossible to push deep into her at all. I don't know if this is a new tactic but I never experienced it before. She also let out the most ridiculous screams of 'OH YEAH BABY' that I've ever heard, honestly I know that the girls have to fake it but this was just comically bad acting. It was actually tough to hold it together. Nonetheless, it eventually got the job done, 60430.

(2) After a relatively short recovery I saw an absolute beauty at the bar and I knew I had to have her before someone else. She was with a friend and tried to tempt me into a three-way (and I was verrry tempted), but in the end I decided to just take her up to the room alone. She was probably late 20's, black hair, an amazingly beautiful face, huge and perky the-cup boobs (they were fake, but not in-your-face-fake). She said she was from Germany but I suspect otherwise. Unfortunately my German is not up to scratch to test her. We initially decided on a 30-minute session, which started with an incredible BJ (lots of tongue action), then her on top (what a sight), missionary, then doggy. Doggy was the only downside of the whole session. She would push back into me and make it hard to really get a good rhythm going. Unfortunately my little chap was too tired and couldn't get the deed done in 30 mins, so we extended to 60 mins. After some more positions it was clearly going to be an uphill (although very enjoyable) battle so she took the condom off and finished me off with a fantastic oily HJ onto her boobs (for 50 extra). In total the session was 170 euros but definitely worth it. Both for the incredible visuals and her handling skills.

After those two sessions I hung around a little more but nothing quite took my fancy, so I left a bit early. I'll be back next time I'm in Berlin for sure.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419258]Several girls said that all are told BBBJ Kissing, DATY 80430, across the board.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I don't understand this sentence! Does this mean that mentioned services are supposed to be included in the 60€?

80430?

Blue.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2419683]Sorry, but I don't understand this sentence! Does this mean that mentioned services are supposed to be included in the 60?

80430?

Blue.[/QUOTE]80 Euros for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2419683]Sorry, but I don't understand this sentence! Does this mean that mentioned services are supposed to be included in the 60?.[/QUOTE]80 E for 30 min.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419258]Several girls said that all are told BBBJ Kissing, DATY 80430, across the board.[/QUOTE]Do all girls walk that way? Or at least most of them? It's actually a pretty fair price.

[QUOTE=Kieliuss;2419433]Long time lurker here. I've got a lot of great information from this site over the years so decided I should start adding my reports to give a little back.

I was in Berlin for work last week and decided on Thursday night (30th January) to take a trip to Artemis. To be honest I was pretty tired even before going, but I always try to visit at least once when in Berlin. I arrived around 9 pm and left around 12.30. When I arrived the place was already full, probably 50 girls in the bar area alone and a similar number of guys. The lineup looked pretty good. Very few 10/10 stunners but many girls that I'd rate 7-8 out of 10. Lots of variation in age, shape and plastic. A few girls were pushy but I told them no thanks and that did the trick. In the time I was there I had two sessions. Honestly I cannot for the life of me remember the girls names, so some other forum members may be able to help:.[/QUOTE]Do you know the name of the black hair?

[QUOTE=Kieliuss;2419433] I was in Berlin for work last week and decided on Thursday night (30th January) to take a trip to Artemis.

(1) A blonde Ukrainian, she was sitting on the left side of the bar and called me over as I was walking past. She was tall (probably 175 cm without heels), natural see-the cup boobs, probably mid-30's. She wouldn't have been my first choice but she seemed enthusiastic at the bar and I never like to wait too long to get my first shot off. First, the good: she had a great body with nice bouncy boobs, which were a delight to watch in doggy or with her on top. Then, the bad, of which there is a lot: she kept holding her hand around the base of my cock, both when giving BJ and when fucking, so that it was impossible to push deep into her at all. I don't know if this is a new tactic but I never experienced it before. She also let out the most ridiculous screams of 'OH YEAH BABY' that I've ever heard, honestly I know that the girls have to fake it but this was just comically bad acting. It was actually tough to hold it together. Nonetheless, it eventually got the job done, 60430. [/QUOTE]I was in Artemis the same night and in a room with Penelope. Dark hair, overall dark tan. Well known lady. We are having sex and all I can hear in the room next to me is this OH YEAH BABY and loud loud screams of OH OH OH. And Penelope stops giving me a blow job and looks at me and we both start laughing. I mean, I don't know how anyone keeps their erection. It wasn't at 9 pm. More like 7:30 or so but I imagine it was either the same girl or one who was just like her. I kept thinking "What does a guy think when the girl is screaming like that and how does he hold it together". Now I am laughing cause I hear from you. It is hard to hold it together! HA HA.

If you go back, and you want good service try Penelope. Maybe not your type but a road warrior.

[QUOTE=Ulver;2419717]Do all girls walk that way? Or at least most of them? It's actually a pretty fair price.[/QUOTE]That is the point. It is in line with private apartment bordellos and independents. I was told A management put out the word in one of their all hands on deck meetings recently. So while some girls may try to stretch this, you can refer to this "policy" and see what happens. Chemistry always an individual thing and a girl can refuse or decide "OK I will kiss this ugly slob but only if he pays", so YMMV. But this price is now the baseline and it should be referred to in any negotiations.

When you consider that session prices were 60430 at the beginning, 15 years ago, 80430 not such a bad thing. But I was told management is trying to reign in some of the crazy prices girls were offering, and that is an important step in the right direction. Overall I think things are improving there.

I visited Artemis after long hiatus to see whether lineup has improved. I picked Wednesday 28.01 which was not a great day to visit but was dictated by logistics. To explain what I mean, I am fan of lingerie but generally the lingerie choices girls use in Artemis is more about hiding the flaws than enticing guys.

Arrived at 18:00 and went for a shower after a long day and first thing I noticed was the green fungus-like layer on shower heads. Google search reveals that this may be related to content of water. This would have taken a staff member 2 hours to fix at max so I don't understand why would Artemis let the standard slip.

I had forgotten about lingerie day but this was a small irritant. I counted 25 girls working with equal number of guests. I may have missed some because they were in room but this was not that many girls to chose from. Of course with evening more girls arrived but generally it was a slow day.

Girls were having a slow day and it was reflected in increased frustration among some of the girls.

I took an African girl to the room but neither the name or performance was memorable. Left by 22:30. This is the first time that I left with 70% of my day budget unspent.

I must say that my first impression, compared to 2016, is that lineup is reduced and aged, to put it politely. Yes, there are couple of new girls that I have not seen before but there were lot of the older ones that were missing. Majority consisted of same old faces since 2016. I am not complaining about the age of the girls but the fact that lineup is getting bit stale. As I said, I have been long time missing from Artemis and stayed for only 4,5 hours one day so it may have been bad luck so if some can confirm or deny the observation I would be grateful. I will be visiting Frankfurt in March and Berlin I may but I will rather spend money in Frankfurt instead of splitting the budget between Berlin and Frankfurt.

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[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419258]A line up was very strong recently, lots of new, hotties of all shapes and colors. Management also seems to have cracked the whip on up-selling. Several girls said that all are told BBBJ Kissing, DATY 80430, across the board. That makes it compatible with normal Berlin private apt bordellos.[/QUOTE]Yes, this 80430 is really true. Finally a very good turn for Artemis. I met Loira a few days ago. She is a 30 yo, blond, German. We had a good time for that money. She is okay but not all that special. Just to have a good start of the day.

Some hours later I saw Ginger. Ro again. She is my favorite and will do her again and again. Beautiful, nice, never cheating, always friendly. She is about 27, brown hair just on her shoulders, fully naked. Always around the end of the bar. She is there for a few minutes only. Then the next guys comes along. CBJ is good with her. Saves money. I came perfectly in her juicy pussy. I wanted to repeat her but some hours later Alice (28 yo, looking much younger, German, blond hair, legs a bit Rubenesque at the end of the bar) saw me. We had been talking before. She insisted on a session and so we went. I do not regret. Some people do not like German girls, but how do I love them. Her service is something like a professional GFE. Most importantly is that she keeps an eye on my dick. Whenever the sucking was too hard, she changed her technique directly. I have only experienced that with German girls, like Mania some 5 years ago. Artemis has a good line-up now, especially for January. But anybody who now races to Artemis and looks for things like they were some 5 years ago, will be disappointed. Not that many girls. Not that many stunners. But I do liked Artemis this day well enough and will come again. Ginger on my mind for a few weeks is not that bad as after party.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419963]When you consider that session prices were 60430 at the beginning, 15 years ago, 80430 not such a bad thing.[/QUOTE]I said a year ago that I'd be willing to pay €75 or €80 for a 30 minute session if it were up to standard. Hopefully if Artemis has started this policy, it will make other FKK's consider setting a decent price for a decent service. I'm less than happy about the poor service I received at Sharks on my last trip and probably won't be returning to Hesse but staying in NRW.

Spoiler alert.

Quite bad overall, not excited / planning to visit again anytime soon, would prefer to go to any of the clubs in Dusseldorf / Frankfurt.

Strict management kills the fun (-10/10).

My biggest disappointment, this is going to start stupid to start but please bear with me, is generally how restricting / imposing / regulating the management is towards the girls, which of course trickles down to the costumers of course.

Girls are not allowed to interact / touch / seduce in any way other than talking, even the talking time is limited to a short time and then the girl has to move on. Many of the girls told me this and that they would be told off for violating. 1) this completely kills the sexuality vibe 2) this doesn't get me as excited to go to a room, half of the pleasure for me is the seduction in public before going to the room.

This extends further by the prices being super fixed. Yes I know most clubs have minimums so the girls don't undersell each other for dirt cheap, but in this club its next level control. Everything is priced strictly and all the girls have to stick to it. This also means that the free market can't do its thing with supply and demand. Although I was there on a Friday it was quite slow with the number of clients, and there were many girls as obviously they were expecting people, but the girls were not getting clients and this of course visibly frustrated but. Nothing they can do. They still have to charge expensive and then the extras.

Pricing (2/10: minimums are 50%+ more expensive than what I am used to in Frankfurt / Dusseldorf).

Speaking of pricing, its quite a bit more expensive than Dusseldorf / Frankfurt;.

- Entry 80.

- Basic room session 60 euros (some kiss some not, condom BJ, condom fuck).

- BBJ +20.

- Cum on face +50.

- Cum on body some asked for up to 50 extra some said it was included, I guess the management was not clear on this one.

- Did not ask about other things.

Line up (2/10).

It is very difficult to describe here, especially without making generalizations, but I shall give it a shot of course;.

- Did not count but there were a lot of girls / ratio to guys was healthy in terms of numbers only.

- Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited. One of them mentioned how she really wanted to go home but her shift wouldn't end for a couple more hours.

- Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with, in fact I spent a couple of hours before I developed the horniness / excitement to take someone to a room, which usually happens much quicker. I had to go to the sauna and monger around for a long time.

- Mostly Eastern Europeans, this was a bummer for me because I never go for Eastern EU as my experiences with them have not been too positive in the past, especially the Romanians.

- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.

- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.

Logistics.

- Food (1/10): there was not even a decent salad, just some cut cucumbers and tomatoes and such. Or sweets for that matter. Main course, for a while there was a really nice rice and seafood but when that was done there was nothing to eat, some meat that was dry. Something else that I can not remember but was not edible. First time I leave an FKK hungry.

- Getting there: walking distance from Westkreuz, and getting to Westkreuz from anywhere in Berlin is really easy. I think trains run 24/7 as I left like 4 or something and still found a train back, check google maps.

BTW, long time lurker first time poster on internationalsexguide, excited to contribute and read more! Feedback / questions are very welcome of course!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Girls are not allowed to interact / touch / seduce in any way other than talking, even the talking time is limited to a short time and then the girl has to move on.[/QUOTE]Really? Not touching is told by some girls for years and years. Some told me there are cameras but cannot point at them? LOL Others seem to simply disobey the rules. I had several girls crawling over me. And this has always happened to me. Twice I had to propose a room as she wouldn't stop talking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]This extends further by the prices being super fixed. [/QUOTE]For years we have been complaining about upsell to the extreme. Finally solved!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Although I was there on a Friday it was quite slow with the number of clients, and there were many girls.[/QUOTE]So happy about it. Again we all complain about the bad ratio: too many men and too few girls. Finally solved!

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]but the girls were not getting clients and this of course visibly frustrated but. Nothing they can do. They still have to charge expensive and then the extras.[/QUOTE]You are on a mission from. I wonder whether we stayed the same night. That could be and to me it was a very good night. Quite the opposite. Second session only a few rooms left. Third session we had the last room.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Speaking of pricing, its quite a bit more expensive than Dusseldorf / Frankfurt;[/QUOTE]So what the heck do you want? Free prices, upsell, more money for the girls. And now suddenly you start rattling about the high prices. Which is not true by the way. Many girls anywhere do upsell a lot. In Artemis this has been curbed. To your dismay?

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited.[/QUOTE]I talked to a lot of girls. Many girls were having fun. Among each other. Or with guys. There were even two girls proposing a threesome to a lot of guys. They really tried to seduce and have fun. After they tried me they needed two more customers to finally find their victim. Girls like that make the atmosphere a lot better with animated talking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with[/QUOTE]Still wondering whether we were there at the same night (31/1). Many beautiful girls. I really am an optick ficker and I easily got a hard-on. Did you see Ginger, Avril, the Bulgarian in red bikini that continuously proposed everybody to a room? And four or five more were really to my liking.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Mostly Eastern Europeans[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Danny227;2419415]Maybe they should bring more Romanians, Russians and Bulgarians and thin out the heavy German presence.[/QUOTE]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.[/QUOTE]I had two German girls and talked to a few more. Whom are you talking about?

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding. There was one hot African girl that was in the bar only shortly around 2 pm and almost depressed at that time. Just didn't want to talk to her. She was booked all the time, for her gorgeous figure probably. The other African girls were mostly alone, mostly disappointed. The Cuban girl (40 yo) especially walked around with no success at all and not very happy about it.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]- Getting there: walking distance from Westkreuz, and getting to Westkreuz from anywhere in Berlin is really easy. I think trains run 24/7 as I left like 4 or something and still found a train back, check google maps.[/QUOTE]That is for the weekend. And not everywhere in Berlin. Mostly the circular (41,42) and the line towards Haupthbahnhof (3, 5, 7, 9, 75). Other lines that you might want to change to in order to get home are shut down earlier.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]I left like 4 or something[/QUOTE]That might explain something. After around 2 am Artemis loses a lot of it's vibe that is so dominant at 8 pm.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]long time lurker first time poster[/QUOTE]Happy to see your contribution but we seem to live in separate worlds.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]we seem to live in separate worlds.[/QUOTE]Agree on all points. While it is just not everyone's cup of tea, (and people themselves can have a bad day), things really seem to have gotten better. Not like the glory days of the first 8-10 years, but much, noticeably better than the last 2.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.[/QUOTE]About 35-45 girls that are German born or leave in Germany many years to be fully accustomed.

Eastern Europe not that many. Would actually be nice to have some more of them. I don't have anything against German girls. I don't really care where they are from mostly. But German girls are more expensive and service is more distant. Romanians, Bulgarians are less price aggressive and higher service level. Also, there are no new Romanians in Artemis. Some fresh girls will be nice, preferably no silicone and younger instead of all the grandmothers there. Worst casting in Artemis in many years.

Inflated dolls with lipstick and a mask.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2419963]That is the point. It is in line with private apartment bordellos and independents. I was told A management put out the word in one of their all hands on deck meetings recently. So while some girls may try to stretch this, you can refer to this "policy" and see what happens. Chemistry always an individual thing and a girl can refuse or decide "OK I will kiss this ugly slob but only if he pays", so YMMV. But this price is now the baseline and it should be referred to in any negotiations.

When you consider that session prices were 60430 at the beginning, 15 years ago, 80430 not such a bad thing. But I was told management is trying to reign in some of the crazy prices girls were offering, and that is an important step in the right direction. Overall I think things are improving there.[/QUOTE]This is good news. I haven't been to Artemis for years. Maybe I should reconsider.

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Maybe its reasonable to think that different people could have different experiences? Or expectations? Or thinks might have been different on a different day?

But thanks for your response, this might help clarify to the rest of the guys what I meant and what the expectations are.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Really? Not touching is told by some girls for years and years. Some told me there are cameras but cannot point at them? LOL Others seem to simply disobey the rules. I had several girls crawling over me. And this has always happened to me. Twice I had to propose a room as she wouldn't stop talking.[/QUOTE]No one touched me before the room, not even on the way there, maybe I'm just not handsome enough, but that was my experience nonetheless. I prefer when we get all touchy in the bar but that did not happen for me, well done to you!

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]So what the heck do you want? Free prices, upsell, more money for the girls. And now suddenly you start rattling about the high prices. Which is not true by the way. Many girls anywhere do upsell a lot. In Artemis this has been curbed. To your dismay?[/QUOTE]I'm only there for the BBBJ and COB, I usually get this for the basic 50 euros in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. 80-100 here, double (some girls wanted extra for the COB, some did not, so its double / cum for me.).

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]I talked to a lot of girls. Many girls were having fun. Among each other. Or with guys. There were even two girls proposing a threesome to a lot of guys. They really tried to seduce and have fun. After they tried me they needed two more customers to finally find their victim. Girls like that make the atmosphere a lot better with animated talking.[/QUOTE]Didn't see anything like this.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]Did Danny just get his wishes fulfilled? No, I can tell you there were relatively few Eastern Europeans and much more Germans than I have gotten used to the last 10 years or so.[/QUOTE]As I said, there are more Germans than I'm used to in such a location but none were too my liking, way way too much silicone and makeups for me.

It is generally different to describe a line-up, but I do care about the natural beauty quite a bit.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]You got to be kidding. There was one hot African girl that was in the bar only shortly around 2 pm and almost depressed at that time. Just didn't want to talk to her. She was booked all the time, for her gorgeous figure probably. The other African girls were mostly alone, mostly disappointed. The Cuban girl (40 yo) especially walked around with no success at all and not very happy about it.
[/QUOTE]When I was there, there were at least 5 or 6.

[QUOTE=DioRetz;2420440]That is for the weekend. And not everywhere in Berlin. Mostly the circular (41,42) and the line towards Haupthbahnhof (3, 5, 7, 9, 75). Other lines that you might want to change to in order to get home are shut down earlier.[/QUOTE]Sure, please check google maps guys!

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[QUOTE=Danny227;2420721]About 35-45 girls that are German born or leave in Germany many years to be fully accustomed.[/QUOTE]No idea what any of this means.

[QUOTE]Some fresh girls will be nice, preferably no silicone and younger instead of all the grandmothers there. Worst casting in Artemis in many years. Inflated dolls with lipstick and a mask.[/QUOTE]When exactly was the last time you were there?

BoneRanger and Dio captured most of my thoughts except I still have to reinforce, I found the assortment at Artemis to be a winner. I have been to 6 or 7 FKKs and never have I seen such a selection.

From A cups to EEEEE balloons that hang like giant melons off a tree. I mean, German, Bulgarian, Turkish, Rom African. This was like the big box of chocolates with every flavor. I could have gone upstairs with 4 or 5 girls, but my balls let me down after only 2! Oh well, I still loved the views. And I had great conversations. Girls came and sat with me, and I went around and sat down in groups of 3 and got to "feel" what they were like.

[QUOTE=RandomDude963;2420170]Spoiler alert.

Quite bad overall, not excited / planning to visit again anytime soon, would prefer to go to any of the clubs in Dusseldorf / Frankfurt.

Line up (2/10).

It is very difficult to describe here, especially without making generalizations, but I shall give it a shot of course;.

- Did not count but there were a lot of girls / ratio to guys was healthy in terms of numbers only.

- Generally most of them were doing their rounds like robots and you can see that they are frustrated / not excited. One of them mentioned how she really wanted to go home but her shift wouldn't end for a couple more hours.

- Generally it was actually quite difficult to find someone to go to the room with, in fact I spent a couple of hours before I developed the horniness / excitement to take someone to a room, which usually happens much quicker. I had to go to the sauna and monger around for a long time.

- Mostly Eastern Europeans, this was a bummer for me because I never go for Eastern EU as my experiences with them have not been too positive in the past, especially the Romanians.

- 5 or so German girls, one was completely natural and petite but the rest were heavy on the makeup and surgery, mostly huge boobs.

- 5 or so Latin / African girls, they had the nicest vibe and attitude and chill, without them this would've been even worse.

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At RandomDude963.

I take offence at your accusation that I work for them. On another forum, some time ago, I have advised people not to go to Artemis anymore. And I have repeated that. A few other things: name the clubs in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area where you get BBBJ and COB for free. I only know GT for free BBBJ. And that is actually more complicated. Staff does not allow girls to have a paid BBBJ in their business model. So, if you cannot provide us with the names of these clubs I have serious problems with your posting. Because I have not found them, never heard of them. On the contrary I have paid for it considerably so. Yes, there were a few African ladies but you said they were the ones that did good to the atmosphere. That is not true as far as I could see. On the contrary. If you have not seen other girls talking animatedly to other girls and men, you have not looked very well. If you have not been touched then please present yourself in a more welcoming, friendly way. Google maps is not your friend in this? Much better to use bahn. De and put in "Berlin Westkreuz". It is in English too. This is much easier to check before hand to see if you can still make it to your hotel.

Then talking about the line up etc. That others have talked about. The first time I went to Artemis, 10 years ago, the line up was not very good. Already then it went up and down. But with Messes it usually was good. Sometimes it was so incredibly good I just could not believe it. But already then people said it had been better. There is always some people that keep complaining. Nothing you can do about it. My intent here is to provide information that people can use to make a decision to come or not. So here it goes. The line up at Artemis has been much better in the past, but at the moment you can quite easily find a girl that is beautiful and gives you decent service. The atmosphere is good but it is nothing like for example Jun 6 2013. Then I thought I had entered a movie model party gone naked. It is not like that at the moment. But compared to other clubs Artemis is doing well in this period. Many ladies that earn a lot during the year are still having a holiday at this time of the year, but Artemis at least has three stunners now. Incredible. The line up about three years ago was better then it is now. At least when I visited the spot. But you had to pay a lot of extra money for kissing and BBBJ. That is the thing that has changed for the better now. To recap the situation that I found last week a decent line up with curbed sell up. To me that is the best I have had in several years. Now, we still need a few good African ladies and things are definitely on track.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2420743]No idea what any of this means.

When exactly was the last time you were there?[/QUOTE]Oh man, it is quite simple. It means that German born is German, if it is of Turkish decent or something is irrelevant. If it is a Czech girl that moved to Germany at two years old, it is German. Two weeks ago last time. Made the decision to stay away for a while. Fresh girls means not 30+ with 8 years in the business. Less silicone and blown lips. It means less plastic and more natural. It isn't very hard to understand amigo. It has been written by many people before me, just read.

Visited Berlin this past month and decided to make a trip to Artemis. It was a Wednesday night, and I was there approximately 9 pm-12 am. I had unclear expectations having visited other clubs in Germany, but first time in Berlin.

Passed the first couple of hours uneventfully; frankly found the room to be mainly 5-7's, and with the clothing on (was it lingerie night?) it made things less interesting. Saw too many implants for my taste.

Eventually a pair of girls came and tried to talk me into a threesome. One was a German, appeared to have a spray-on tan. I believe her name may have been Penelope. She was hustling for the threesome. Her friend was not as pushy, and was in my eyes the most beautiful girl I had seen that night. She told me she was German / Turk. I think her name started with an L, Leana? Leah? Probably mid to late 20's, all natural body, great rack, pierced nipples. I held firm on not being interested in a threesome but I signalled my interest in this German / Turk beauty. Eventually we partnered upstairs and she was incredible. Great attitude and service. Great English too with a cute accent.

I was planning to see her again the following night but had to leave on an earlier flight.

Any regulars there who know who I'm speaking of? Would appreciate a DM as well. Can't wait to get back to Berlin just to see her.

[QUOTE=Shaq34;2420969]Visited Berlin this past month and decided to make a trip to Artemis. It was a Wednesday night, and I was there approximately 9 pm-12 am. I had unclear expectations having visited other clubs in Germany, but first time in Berlin.

Passed the first couple of hours uneventfully; frankly found the room to be mainly 5-7's, and with the clothing on (was it lingerie night?) it made things less interesting. Saw too many implants for my taste.

Eventually a pair of girls came and tried to talk me into a threesome. One was a German, appeared to have a spray-on tan. I believe her name may have been Penelope. She was hustling for the threesome. Her friend was not as pushy, and was in my eyes the most beautiful girl I had seen that night. She told me she was German / Turk. I think her name started with an L, Leana? Leah? Probably mid to late 20's, all natural body, great rack, pierced nipples. I held firm on not being interested in a threesome but I signalled my interest in this German / Turk beauty. Eventually we partnered upstairs and she was incredible. Great attitude and service. Great English too with a cute accent.

I was planning to see her again the following night but had to leave on an earlier flight.

Any regulars there who know who I'm speaking of? Would appreciate a DM as well. Can't wait to get back to Berlin just to see her.[/QUOTE]You need to describe her better. Penelope is Romanian. Also very likely that her friend was not German. Give some more color like height, hair, silicone or natural, sprayed lips or not, big or slim, eye color and service and pricing helps as well. How old.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2420991]You need to describe her better. Penelope is Romanian. Also very likely that her friend was not German. Give some more color like height, hair, silicone or natural, sprayed lips or not, big or slim, eye color and service and pricing helps as well. How old.[/QUOTE]She presented herself as German / Turk and I have no reason to disbelieve it because she had the beautiful features of a mixed girl.

Height was approx 5'4" to 5'6".

Hair went down to her mid, slightly curled, dark with blonde highlights.

Natural see / the, pierced nipples.

Tight curves in her body.

Large eyes.

Offered standard menu and extras at the usual prices, and I was very happy to partake of the extras. I have to assume regulars there can figure her out, especially since she and her friend often ask for threesomes. Thanks for reading.

[QUOTE=Shaq34;2421014]She presented herself as German / Turk and I have no reason to disbelieve it because she had the beautiful features of a mixed girl..[/QUOTE]For some reason, Romanian girls like to present themselves as Moldavian, Italian and so on. This sounds like Leyla, but Leyla possibly the tits. Is that possible?

[QUOTE=Danny227;2420919]Oh man, it is quite simple. It means that German born is German, if it is of Turkish decent or something is irrelevant. If it is a Czech girl that moved to Germany at two years old, it is German.It isn't very hard to understand amigo. It has been written by many people before me, just read.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nationality explanations and all those "it" girls will be happy to know this. I am puzzled though how you seem to have written 50+ reports over the years how awful Artemis is, and then you go back and write how awful it is.

I have been around a lot, and have found NRW to be a bit over-rated. It really is quite similar everywhere-good days and bad days, prices within 20-30 Eur. It kind of stands to reason as girls drift around from club to club which tends over time to balance things out.

It is a taste thing, but readers here should know that a number of us, pretty experienced also, find A not bad at all, and certainly improving over the past few weeks, since the full team came back after Christmas (especially E Ortho Christmas and New Year).

No question both the frequency and prices of up-selling went crazy for a while. But management seems to have heard the message and has cracked down. Could it be better? - of course, always (every where). But the line-up much improved as a number have noted if you just read.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2421167]For some reason, Romanian girls like to present themselves as Moldavian, Italian and so on. This sounds like Leyla, but Leyla possibly the tits. Is that possible?[/QUOTE]Leyla? The blonde German who says she is from Frankfurt with natural big tit? Is she half Turkish?

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2421574]Thanks for the nationality explanations and all those "it" girls will be happy to know this. I am puzzled though how you seem to have written 50+ reports over the years how awful Artemis is, and then you go back and write how awful it is.

I have been around a lot, and have found NRW to be a bit over-rated. It really is quite similar everywhere-good days and bad days, prices within 20-30 Eur. It kind of stands to reason as girls drift around from club to club which tends over time to balance things out.

It is a taste thing, but readers here should know that a number of us, pretty experienced also, find A not bad at all, and certainly improving over the past few weeks, since the full team came back after Christmas (especially E Ortho Christmas and New Year).

No question both the frequency and prices of up-selling went crazy for a while. But management seems to have heard the message and has cracked down. Could it be better? - of course, always (every where). But the line-up much improved as a number have noted if you just read.[/QUOTE]The reason to go back is Artemis has a monopoly. However, the frequency declined to less than half. The line up has gone worst and worst and has not improved, it is a fact. Unless one likes silicone and older women. Management did do a price adjustment, that is correct. For that price adjustment to take effect will take a lot if time. Don't forget that while price is. Adjusted, Artemis has a severe service issue. If you go a lot to NRW than you should know this. I doubt that line up will improve at Artemis ever.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2421607]Leyla? The blonde German who says she is from Frankfurt with natural big tit? Is she half Turkish?[/QUOTE]I don't know where she says she is from. But she is the only "German" to fit the description.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2421167]For some reason, Romanian girls like to present themselves as Moldavian, Italian and so on. This sounds like Leyla, but Leyla possibly the tits. Is that possible?[/QUOTE]Thanks Danny227, yes, I'm pretty sure that was right. Leyla was amazing. I'm back in Miami now but would gladly make that trip out again just to see her.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2421607]Leyla? The blonde German who says she is from Frankfurt with natural big tit? Is she half Turkish?[/QUOTE]That's what she told me but what do I know. Actually, what I do know is that she is terrific. Can't wait to see her again sometime.

So did I understand correctly: 20 extra would ensure OWO these days in Artemis?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2421607]Leyla? The blonde German who says she is from Frankfurt with natural big tit? Is she half Turkish?[/QUOTE]To me she said half Serbian. .

I was stupid here actually, and went with both Leyla and Penelope once when the lineup otherwise was absolutely horrible. Only Leyla interested in the entire club, so they pinched me into the 3-some I never wanted. Long story short, Leyla didn't seem so bad if I had only managed to get her, but her friend was a terrible influence on her. I'd rather swim in dirt than go with her friend again. So you dodged the bullet there by avoiding the friend.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2423041]I was stupid here actually, and went with both Leyla and Penelope once when the lineup otherwise was absolutely horrible. Only Leyla interested in the entire club, so they pinched me into the 3-some I never wanted. Long story short, Leyla didn't seem so bad if I had only managed to get her, but her friend was a terrible influence on her. I'd rather swim in dirt than go with her friend again. So you dodged the bullet there by avoiding the friend.[/QUOTE]Threesome rarely worked good for me. Only once was good in course of 10 years FKK experience. I rather prefer to focus on one girl at a time, but one should experience threesome at least once a year or two even though it is not good LOL.

Just for experience.

[QUOTE=TeFab456;2422831]So did I understand correctly: 20 extra would ensure OWO these days in Artemis?[/QUOTE]The problem here is the word 'ensure'. A girl might not do OWO at all. So you still have to ask for it. One advice. Aks for the extra cost ('Aufpreis' in German) before she touches your dick. If she asks more than 20 euro simply leave the room and look for another girl. She will probably come running after you. Please ignore her at that moment or she will never learn and we are back again to sky rocketing prices in no time. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2423041]I was stupid here actually, and went with both Leyla and Penelope once when the lineup otherwise was absolutely horrible. Only Leyla interested in the entire club, so they pinched me into the 3-some I never wanted. Long story short, Leyla didn't seem so bad if I had only managed to get her, but her friend was a terrible influence on her. I'd rather swim in dirt than go with her friend again. So you dodged the bullet there by avoiding the friend.[/QUOTE]Yes I did dodge that bullet. Have been in enough of these environments to know how to negotiate, had no interest in her friend.

I can take this offline, but wondering if anyone here has any way to get in touch with Leyla? Any social media or other accounts for her? Don't flame me for asking.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2423483]Threesome rarely worked good for me. Only once was good in course of 10 years FKK experience. I rather prefer to focus on one girl at a time, but one should experience threesome at least once a year or two even though it is not good LOL.

Just for experience.[/QUOTE]Haha yes. That's why I've only done it 6 or 7 times. Only was good once I think.

I am also getting these flashbacks every time I've done a 3 some from once I was in Thailand. One of the girls got so jealous because she felt I preferred the other one, which I did, and did not manage to hide it while we were playing chess, that the next time I came to the place and asked for the sexiest one, the jealous girl shouted out in the room:

"No, she died in a traffic accident".

Everybody in the lounge just stopped and stared at me. And this one other white dude raises his eyebrows saying "these girls are not really nice to each other are they?

Apparently not!

So I keep having the feeling now that all these instinctively want my cock. And the girls who claim to not want, are only trying to hide their jealousy. Of course, by cock, I mean c$ck.

[QUOTE=TeFab456;2422831]So did I understand correctly: 20 extra would ensure OWO these days in Artemis?[/QUOTE]I think there are quite a few intangibles in the question. Busy night / slow night. 30 minute / hour session.

My experience has been that in a 30 minute session everything is extra, but I've had lots of visits without surge pricing earlier in the week especially for an hour zimmer visit.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2423483]Threesome rarely worked good for me. Only once was good in course of 10 years FKK experience. I rather prefer to focus on one girl at a time, but one should experience threesome at least once a year or two even though it is not good LOL.

Just for experience.[/QUOTE]I too rarely ever do threesomes, but when I have done them, they have all been good and to be remembered for a lifetime. Only four that I can recall. Two in Brazil and two in Spain. The most recent one was last summer in Porto Alegre, Brazil. I fucked two blonde, Brazilian girls in their assholes in the room. Funny, but I have never done a threesome at an FKK.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2424322]I too rarely ever do threesomes, but when I have done them, they have all been good and to be remembered for a lifetime. Only four that I can recall. Two in Brazil and two in Spain. The most recent one was last summer in Porto Alegre, Brazil. I fucked two blonde, Brazilian girls in their assholes in the room. Funny, but I have never done a threesome at an FKK.[/QUOTE]2 in Brazil and 2 in Spain. , so you are indirectly advising me not to do threesome in German FKK then LOL.

I had few that was OK and some were memorable enough, but it is always one that is working much harder and one that is just there, so it is not my favorite, but I think as a man and as a pro monger, we should do it now and then to make us feel alive LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2424040]Haha yes. That's why I've only done it 6 or 7 times. Only was good once I think.

I am also getting these flashbacks every time I've done a 3 some from once I was in Thailand. One of the girls got so jealous because she felt I preferred the other one, which I did, and did not manage to hide it while we were playing chess, that the next time I came to the place and asked for the sexiest one, the jealous girl shouted out in the room:

"No, she died in a traffic accident".

Everybody in the lounge just stopped and stared at me. And this one other white dude raises his eyebrows saying "these girls are not really nice to each other are they?

Apparently not!

So I keep having the feeling now that all these instinctively want my cock. And the girls who claim to not want, are only trying to hide their jealousy. Of course, by cock, I mean c$ck.[/QUOTE]I hope these girls were just saying that and she did not die in traffic accident, but man, brothels and girls jealousy inside fighting for money is quite intense. When I have regular, I have to hide to go to room with other girls, if not performance in room next time can have negative affect, or she throw attitude.

Flashback in positive sense of words is something I love about mongering, in my over 20 years experience of mongering around globe, I collected some amazing flashbacks that I cherish everyday and I will continue to collect such amazing flashbacks, it is one of mission statement of my life to fuck many young beautiful stunners that I can find, but for me it is quality of looks over quantity and my numbers of stunners I fucked are somewhere in my 130's to 150 stunners, but they were real stunners, I will keep on working to find more each time I monger and strive to leach 1000 when I die, I got like 30 years more, so I don't know if I leach that numbers, but I repeat, for me it is quality over quantity and I am extremely selective, I remember we had same taste on Eleny in oceans LOL, she was good one. Now I don't know. I think I won't be back in Duss for awhile, so I won't see her again when I return, I will focus more on palace, Artemis and globe from now on.

Stunners are getting harder to find, but I still manage.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2424294]I think there are quite a few intangibles in the question. Busy night / slow night. 30 minute / hour session.

My experience has been that in a 30 minute session everything is extra, but I've had lots of visits without surge pricing earlier in the week especially for an hour zimmer visit.[/QUOTE]Are your experience from recent time, after the management communicated the new house rules?

Else, I think you shall "reset" your experience and start over. .

Last Saturday I was to Artemis again. And as always I was rather satisfied (I know, I know. Everyone has his own demands).

I arrived at about 16:00. It seemed to be lazy afternoon. There were few customers and standard afternoon bunch of girls. As always I didn't rush. I descended to the Spa area just to rest after the journey. Obviously I had to wave off some sharks (as always they were not in my type. It seems that better girls simply don't have to seek for the customer) but after all I had a good rest. After the meal at 18:00 as it was starting to get little bit more crowdy I begun to look for Elena as I really like her. She is very little but curvy Romanian with (now) brown hair, large soft but beautiful boobs, and really lovely and cute face. I usually have good vibes with her so when I'm at Artemis she's a must for me. As I couldn't find her I started to wander around in search for good options.

I usually like rather smaller girls (but it's not a strict rule) so when I noticed quite pretty slender brunette with interesting face and something in the eyes, I decided that she is one of the options. She was rather short and unfortunately she almost had no boobs (A-cup I guess with perky nipples). Large tattoo on the lower back. When I was walking out of the cinema I suddenly encountered her. She said she was Hungarian (as usually unfortunately I don't remember her name). After a small talk we went upstairs. She was rather positive and friendly. I decided for 60430 but she insisted for the OWO (+20). As I prefer covered blowjob during the first session with a girl (she seemed to be very surprised of that fact) I refused, so she started to suck me off with condom. She wasn't too good at it or probably she was intentionally doing it wrong and after a while I changed my mind what she accepted with a relief (she said she hates the taste of gum but I believe she just wanted 20 Euro extra). Surprisingly without the gum her technique was much, much better and after a while we tried several sex positions. Rather positive experience but without any fireworks. Just proper sex. Nice view on beautiful small butt and back tattoo during doggy style. She looks in the eyes (also in the mirror) so overall It wasn't bad but yet still there was some distance during all session and I wasn't fully satisfied.

After first session I got to the pool again for some rest and at about after that I got to there main bar again. It was more crowdy (yet not a lot of customers but a lot of girls so many of them were sitting and waiting) and at about 22:00 I finally caught Elena. She remembered me and after some laughs and cuddles we got upstairs. Very positive and sensitive session with lots of cuddling, touching and looking in the eyes. Amazing blowjob and intense sex. I wonder if she kisses in this option (I only kiss when I know girl better so I never asked). As always very good experience with her (but I really like her looks and personality). Highly recommended.

After another rest downstairs I got to the bar in search for another prey. After successful session I din't want to be disappointed at the end so I couldn't decide. After a while beautiful tall redhead caught my eye. Her face reminded me one of my ex-girlfriends (yeah I know it's strange but that turned me up). Unfortunately I can't remember her name as well (maybe someone can help me with it? She said she is German and is real Berliner. She has long red-dyed hair, very beautiful face with sparkling eyes and beautiful smile, ring piercing her nose at the bottom, large fake boobs, rather large ass and probably is the tallest girls in the club. We had good small talk I decided to fulfill my fetish and we went for some public sex down in the cinema. She was rather professional yet friendly and smiling so it was really good experience. Very good covered blowjob with a lot of eye contact and two sex positions. As she is very tall the missionary on the couch in the cinema wasn't too comfortable so I switched for doggy style, grabbed her butt and I had really good fucking, she moaned and bend so I could see her perfect face and It was very intense. I will surely repeat. I hope someone could remind me her name.

After that I had some rest again in the pool and sauna, I ate something and went away at about 02:30 and got back to the Warsaw.

So. Total damage is 80+80+60+60=280 Euro yet a lot of satisfaction.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2424462]Are your experience from recent time, after the management communicated the new house rules?

Else, I think you shall "reset" your experience and start over. .[/QUOTE]Within the last month.

It was very crowded and I think when the business is good "everything is extra" if you only want 30 minute session. Once I started to change to an hour, no one seemed to be in a rush to ask for extra prices except anal. I've only been twice (same week), I don't have history in Berlin to compare it to.

I'm better in Frankfurt area and Bavaria. But I'll be back in the late Spring and I'll let you know then Blue! As to going to the front desk, the woman there the first night had such a face, that I thought if I asked for anything other than my towel, I might find myself in a Stephen King movie.

Hi,

Done loads of reading before going to Artemis. Kinda helped me big time, so thanks guys for sharing.

I was there on Thursday. Came to the club around 10 PM. The girl at the front desk wasn't very informative on how to proceed and how everything works, but most likely she was too tired of n00 BS like me coming in that evening: the. So she gave me a list of what's included and that's about it. Two of my colleagues were together with me that evening, when we received bathrobes, they noticed that everyone was wearing different color robes than ours. I thought wtf, maybe it's a sign of n00be, but who cares. Ascended to the main bar immediately and started looking around. The lineup was around 50-60 ladies at the time. For me, there were up to 7-10 girls 10/10 no shitting, and maybe another 15 from 7-9/10. So all in all. Perfect lineup. Didn't care about the rest. The club wasn't too crowded and it looked like some girls aren't happy with that. Though none of them were aggressive or intrusive.

As I was stunned at first by the selection, I recalled reading advises and not to rush. So we took a seat, smoked some cigarettes and enjoyed the view. While I was at the bar, one of my colleagues started chatting with some black girl Dominica or whatever name she was. As she noticed he was new here, she started teaching him how everything works here Kinda friendly / funny / laughing girl. Of course, from time to time inviting to fuck her ass upstairs. I politely refused (not my type).

Later on petite brunette came to me, sat down and asked if I wanted to go up with her. Her name was Cyan, 25 from Bulgaria in black stockings (very my type, black hair, petite, rather small tits. I don't know why but I told her maybe later, need some time now. She smiled and was gone.

Descended to sauna / pool. Got some rest. There were only few old sharks in the area, 2 or 3, not interested at all. Time to the main bar again. I took a trip to the food place. Nothing edible. I didn't want to eat at the time, but even if I was hungry, could not eat there, the food was some sort of fckn joke. Hell no. Back to the main bar. I was shocked again. The lineup was terribly poor. Some 8/10, maybe 1 or 2 9/10 and zero 10/10. Blown away and feeling even worse not going with Cyan: the. But after some drinks I spotted her, made an eye contact which led her coming to me straight away. After a small talk I asked her what she offers. 60430 and we can talk about anything else in the room she said. So be it I thought and headed to the room with her. In the room I asked her if she kissed. She said no, but I looked nice to her so she was OK (we barely kissed at the end: D). We agreed on extras: BBBJ (+20), CIM (+50) + 60430. I wouldn't go for such configuration next time with 10/10 girl, but for the first time. She was amazing. BBBJ 10 out of 10, then she came on top. Looked like she was not worn out so I could say it was also 10 out of 10. Then we switched to doggy and that was about it. The overall site was so awesome that It took me much less than 30 minutes: the. So that was my first mistake to ask for CIM and try not to finish in her with a condom. After we were done, I paid her 130+20 for the round. The girl was perfect as the whole experience in Artemis club. Definitely will be back when in Berlin.

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2424694]Within the last month.

It was very crowded and I think when the business is good "everything is extra" if you only want 30 minute session. Once I started to change to an hour, no one seemed to be in a rush to ask for extra prices except anal. I've only been twice (same week), I don't have history in Berlin to compare it to.

I'm better in Frankfurt area and Bavaria. But I'll be back in the late Spring and I'll let you know then Blue! As to going to the front desk, the woman there the first night had such a face, that I thought if I asked for anything other than my towel, I might find myself in a Stephen King movie.[/QUOTE]Was it before or after the new house rules were communicated?

This is interesting, as it indicates if those rules might be ignored if it was after.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2425266]Was it before or after the new house rules were communicated?
[/QUOTE]What are these New Rules?

[QUOTE=Rbdbldg;2424972]Hi,

Done loads of reading before going to Artemis. Kinda helped me big time, so thanks guys for sharing.

I was there on Thursday. Came to the club around 10 PM. The girl at the front desk wasn't very informative on how to proceed and how everything works, but most likely she was too tired of n00 BS like me coming in that evening: the. So she gave me a list of what's included and that's about it. Two of my colleagues were together with me that evening, when we received bathrobes, they noticed that everyone was wearing different color robes than ours. I thought wtf, maybe it's a sign of n00be, but who cares. Ascended to the main bar immediately and started looking around. The lineup was around 50-60 ladies at the time. For me, there were up to 7-10 girls 10/10 no shitting, and maybe another 15 from 7-9/10. So all in all. Perfect lineup. Didn't care about the rest. The club wasn't too crowded and it looked like some girls aren't happy with that. Though none of them were aggressive or intrusive.

As I was stunned at first by the selection, I recalled reading advises and not to rush. So we took a seat, smoked some cigarettes and enjoyed the view. While I was at the bar, one of my colleagues started chatting with some black girl Dominica or whatever name she was. As she noticed he was new here, she started teaching him how everything works here Kinda friendly / funny / laughing girl. Of course, from time to time inviting to fuck her ass upstairs. I politely refused (not my type).[/QUOTE]My last visit in September I left with 0 room.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2425446]My last visit in September I left with 0 room.[/QUOTE]Girls that don't respect management rules, in general, are thrown out in the speed of light. Not sure what's happening with these new rules as I have not visited in a month+, but management will not change its policy; break the rules, go home. Sone people pay 160 for 10 minutes, that is a joke.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2425480]Girls that don't respect management rules, in general, are thrown out in the speed of light. Not sure what's happening with these new rules as I have not visited in a month+, but management will not change its policy; break the rules, go home. Sone people pay 160 for 10 minutes, that is a joke.[/QUOTE]Then most girls would be thrown out for trying to upsell everything LOL.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;2425277]What are these New Rules?[/QUOTE]Apparently 80 euro for 30 min including BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Jooeey;2425277]What are these New Rules?[/QUOTE]Just read a page or two back in this thread.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2425580]Then most girls would be thrown out for trying to upsell everything LOL.[/QUOTE]That's true, but to my understanding management didn't previously forbid it. However, but it is not allowed to upsell stuff like kissing and licking, but only the normal thing.

Does anyone know if in the 120460 option are included two finishes or just only one?

[QUOTE=Danny227;2426054]That's true, but to my understanding management didn't previously forbid it. However, but it is not allowed to upsell stuff like kissing and licking, but only the normal thing.[/QUOTE]Kissing is the one they upsell the most. When girls in German FKK upsell, then it is sometimes worth it to just go to Globe Zurich since you get that service for even cheaper rate than German FKK if girls upsell too much. But 80 euro 30 min sound fair to me.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2426308]Kissing is the one they upsell the most. When girls in German FKK upsell, then it is sometimes worth it to just go to Globe Zurich since you get that service for even cheaper rate than German FKK if girls upsell too much. But 80 euro 30 min sound fair to me.[/QUOTE]So management doesn't allow that upsell anymore. They say if the girl does then it is included in the price. If she doesn't, then she doesn't, but the girl is not allowed to charge money for that. 80 is fair IMO too.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2426314]So management doesn't allow that upsell anymore. They say if the girl does then it is included in the price. If she doesn't, then she doesn't, but the girl is not allowed to charge money for that. 80 is fair IMO too.[/QUOTE]Girls will always do what they feel like anyways, we all just have to negotiate with them and if the price range get to close to Globe, then we just have to go to Globe. I mean look, if girls charge 80 euro for BBBJ session and charge 50 euro for DFK, then that is 130 euro, which is same or bit more even than Globe Zurich price of 140 chf. So the service better be same as globe and also time too because in Artemis 30 min is like 20 min sometimes if we do not pay attention LOL In globe 30 min is 30 min plus the shower together if we want, I usually do not want that much. Siri seems to love that shower together thing LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2425626]Apparently 80 euro for 30 min including BBBJ.[/QUOTE]How could the club ask girls to provide this when law made it illegal and girls should be independent workers according to German law. Nevertheless, LR with GT management asked girls not to have complaints from clients when law started. Girls would not be so independent nor free?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2426413]Girls will always do what they feel like anyways, we all just have to negotiate with them and if the price range get to close to Globe, then we just have to go to Globe. I mean look, if girls charge 80 euro for BBBJ session and charge 50 euro for DFK, then that is 130 euro, which is same or bit more even than Globe Zurich price of 140 chf. So the service better be same as globe and also time too because in Artemis 30 min is like 20 min sometimes if we do not pay attention LOL In globe 30 min is 30 min plus the shower together if we want, I usually do not want that much. Siri seems to love that shower together thing LOL.[/QUOTE]Well, it is quite clear, girls that it get kicked out. Some already were kicked out. So girls can do what they want, but not in Artemis when management makes a decision. They can go and do it in another FKK.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2426553]Well, it is quite clear, girls that it get kicked out. Some already were kicked out. So girls can do what they want, but not in Artemis when management makes a decision. They can go and do it in another FKK.[/QUOTE]Just don't kick out beautiful one please Mr Kennan LOL.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2426461]How could the club ask girls to provide this when law made it illegal and girls should be independent workers according to German law. Nevertheless, LR with GT management asked girls not to have complaints from clients when law started. Girls would not be so independent nor free?[/QUOTE]I need my BBBJ like you siri, it is essential, but thankfully we still get it LOL.

I had another lovely session with Jenna this weekend. [URL]https://twitter.com/jennanova[/URL] She updates her artemis schedule on twtter. Her looks are even more impressive in person. The proportions of waist (tiny) to bust (huge) is out of this world. Her skin is super soft and those beautiful huge lips feel great against everything on a mans body.

She can come across cold on first approach, as she is not out hunting as the other girls, she is simply sitting waiting in the bar close to the opening, but once you speak to her she is very genuine and caring and she did remember me from a year ago or so. In the room she is caring and she understands a big boobs fan in the way she moves and places herself and bodyparts to give you the ultimate fantasy session.

At euro 60 for 30 mins + 20 for OWO this is the best value any XXL boobs fan can find in the world.

Artemis must be the best forum to check out big bust enhanced ladies: ca 30-40 girls with enhanced boobs, Maybe 5 girls with cc800+.

I understand 80% of all ISG forum guys prefer natural but and Artemis might be changing in ways you don't like, for guys like me who love Barbie pornstar type of looks: silicone boobs, long nails, big lips and tatoos, Artemis is best in the world.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2426647]I need my BBBJ like you siri, it is essential, but thankfully we still get it LOL.[/QUOTE]Still very standard and without upselling in Germany, even illegal to ask for a club to girls. But I don t really need and most of WGs are not skillful for this. No pleasure to be sucked by a robot, I prefer GFE love sex, looking for same kind of sex I had with my girlfriends and never asked to any to suck me, matter of image of the woman. Image is also important for my desire, even in brothels.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2426817]Still very standard and without upselling in Germany, even illegal to ask for a club to girls. But I don t really need and most of WGs are not skillful for this. No pleasure to be sucked by a robot, I prefer GFE love sex, looking for same kind of sex I had with my girlfriends and never asked to any to suck me, matter of image of the woman. Image is also important for my desire, even in brothels.[/QUOTE]Not in Artemis and Palace, more standard in nrw. Any mongers who focus on good service and less rip off or annoying negotiation, it is better off going to nrw clubs like LR or GT etc. Artemis and palace always has been up selling clubs with annoying negotiation, which I am personally willing to do, but sometimes it make me wonder it is just better off going to globe as price range become the same range after upsell in Artemis or Palace. 100 euro 30 min.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2427077]Not in Artemis and Palace, more standard in nrw. Any mongers who focus on good service and less rip off or annoying negotiation, it is better off going to nrw clubs like LR or GT etc. Artemis and palace always has been up selling clubs with annoying negotiation, which I am personally willing to do, but sometimes it make me wonder it is just better off going to globe as price range become the same range after upsell in Artemis or Palace. 100 euro 30 min.[/QUOTE]Artemis and Palace, even adding GT, make only very small part of German business. You just have to open to discover and Globe don't anymore worth so expensive rate compare to Germany. Girls are not anymore prettier at Globe, many coming from Germany or NL.

[QUOTE=Wiild;2426808]I had another lovely session with Jenna this weekend. [URL]https://twitter.com/jennanova[/URL] She updates her artemis schedule on twtter. Her looks are even more impressive in person. The proportions of waist (tiny) to bust (huge) is out of this world. Her skin is super soft and those beautiful huge lips feel great against everything on a mans body. .

[/QUOTE]Thank you, thank you. Thank you!

Damn I wish other girls posted schedules. It's not so much I need that girl, but when I go in, my tiny brain and my bigger brain can't remember what the heck I read on the forums, once I am surrounded by a room of nude ladies.

[QUOTE=Wiild;2426808]I had another lovely session with Jenna this weekend. [URL]https://twitter.com/jennanova[/URL][/QUOTE]No wonder I like them to be either smart or fresh before they start to think that ink, botox, silicone are the way to live.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2427169]Artemis and Palace, even adding GT, make only very small part of German business. You just have to open to discover and Globe don't anymore worth so expensive rate compare to Germany. Girls are not anymore prettier at Globe, many coming from Germany or NL.[/QUOTE]Many coming to Globe from Germany? Well Siri, I like German girls the best, so that would make my day, I only found Linda who was German with my Globe visit three weeks ago, she was great. I do agree that Artemis line up got much worst and much older with too many Vintage antique plastic monster everywhere with too much graffiti on their body, but comparison to let say 2015, line up begin to catch up little bit.

What FKK in general have to do in general is to refresh up line up by bringing in younger girls. Now too many vintage plastic monsters who has been there for years. FKK need more 19 years old till 25 years old.

I must say I was happy enough with Globe visit this time round.

He shared valuable information with us all. I know she's not everyone's cup of tea, but she may just be what the doctor ordered for others. How many folk actually give you a true picture of what they had fun with? My point is, enjoy the review; and remember, one man's 10 might be another man's 0! Just saying, jeez.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2427369]That is one ugly and to think that she consented to have those lips and breasts ruined like that is sad. Does it get any worse? Did you see tattoos too. No wonder I like them to be either smart or fresh before they start to think that ink, botox, silicone are the way to live.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2427640]He shared valuable information with us all. I know she's not everyone's cup of tea, but she may just be what the doctor ordered for others. How many folk actually give you a true picture of what they had fun with? My point is, enjoy the review; and remember, one man's 10 might be another man's 0! Just saying, jeez.[/QUOTE]That was the point of my comment too. If everyone gave us reviews or names, it would make the visit a bit easier. Hell a lot easier.

You know honestly, up close she is just amazing to watch. I would never have sex with her, but if you have ever been to a strip club where the headliner is some lady with GGG breasts. Here is a chance to go up and see them and not have to pay $20 a song!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2427369]That is one ugly and to think that she consented to have those lips and breasts ruined like that is sad. Does it get any worse? Did you see tattoos too. No wonder I like them to be either smart or fresh before they start to think that ink, botox, silicone are the way to live.[/QUOTE]This look is a fetish for many guy. Then to find that look with proper and service oriented approach is almost impossible. I am not a fan of her look, but having known of her for a long while, I understand why she is unique, especially in that industry. Jenna has superior service abilities. Keep in mind that appearance is subjective. Jenna is absolutely cool and recommended.

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[QUOTE=Downandup;2427369]That is one ugly heifer and to think that she consented to have those lips and breasts ruined like that is sad. Does it get any worse? Did you see tattoos too. No wonder I like them to be either smart or fresh before they start to think that ink, botox, silicone are the way to live.[/QUOTE]And with 180 K followers on Instagram and Twitter, it seems like she has quite a strong market.

Jenna is a really nice human being when it comes to being friendly and polite. I am not a fan of her boobs but I have zimmered with her twice and her service are top notch.

Easily among the better at Artemis.

Could not agree more. People are entitled to their individual tastes, but to insult someone on a public forum, where the info will be preserved for a very long time, is intolerable.

The Forum is intended to help others based on actual experiences. I wish postings would return to that. Personal attacks and insults have no place in the Forum.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2427981]Jenna is a really nice human being when it comes to being friendly and polite. I am not a fan of her boobs but I have zimmered with her twice and her service are top notch.

Easily among the better at Artemis.[/QUOTE]I can only agree. She is miss Artemis.

But even that I sessioner with her several times I can understand that people who have not look at her as little bit cold or scaring.

Although she is a red blooded and warm hearted person.

I love her from all of my heart and if she wants to retire I think there are several men in line to take care of her.

I am.

So I wonder if there are other girls of Artemis who post their schedules or have social media accounts to follow, apart from Jenna. Anyone to report?

[QUOTE=AlphaGuy;2428368]So I wonder if there are other girls of Artemis who post their schedules or have social media accounts to follow, apart from Jenna. Anyone to report?[/QUOTE]No. This is a sensitive subject. After the raid some years back, and a variety of legal issues, this has stopped. It protects girl's privacy, estimates of the number of hours they work, strengthens the argument they are independent providers etc. If you are interested in knowing if someone in particular is there, just telephone the front desk, especially after 8 pm, and ask. Does not help with new unknown girls obviously.

On another subject, I applaud Admin's decision to do some edits on earlier posts that are pointlessly insulting to a particular girl, which could remain visible here for years. These are matters of private taste, they do not help mongers make better decisions and have no business on a public forum. But the key post from DownandUp remains, and it is still very clear to whom it refers from the quote above. I asked Admin quietly some days ago to delete this and so far nothing. I urge others to do the same and get the post removed. Thanks.

Is it true that Artemis has more German women working than in the past?

Any effects on the number of girls and punters present at the club these days considering the Corona virus situation?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2430099]Any effects on the number of girls and punters present at the club these days considering the Corona virus situation?[/QUOTE]Many events in Berlin were cancelled, including fairs, so there is less traffic of guys and IMO also less women. However, weekend are still OK, I think.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2430099]Any effects on the number of girls and punters present at the club these days considering the Corona virus situation?[/QUOTE]No idea, because unfortunately, I think it is time to pause on all FKK activity for a while til things stabilise. It must be pretty unnerving for the girls working, especially those under financial pressure.

An evening at the A is not quite the same as a few minutes in a supermarket, or on the you Bahn. Hundreds of men, especially on the weekend from northern Italy, but really from all over the world, all kinds of exchanges of fluids, droplets in showers, saunas, rooms, railings, kitchen, etc. And oh yes, the girls stirring it all up. Delays in detection or asymptomatic carriers. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2430814]An evening at the A is not quite the same as a few minutes in a supermarket, or on the you Bahn. Hundreds of men, especially on the weekend from northern Italy, but really from all over the world, all kinds of exchanges of fluids, droplets in showers, saunas, rooms, railings, kitchen, etc. And oh yes, the girls stirring it all up. Delays in detection or asymptomatic carriers. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]Totally agree! What could possibly go wrong? Start using your heads for once!

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2430814]No idea, because unfortunately, I think it is time to pause on all FKK activity for a while til things stabilise. It must be pretty unnerving for the girls working, especially those under financial pressure.

An evening at the A is not quite the same as a few minutes in a supermarket, or on the you Bahn. Hundreds of men, especially on the weekend from northern Italy, but really from all over the world, all kinds of exchanges of fluids, droplets in showers, saunas, rooms, railings, kitchen, etc. And oh yes, the girls stirring it all up. Delays in detection or asymptomatic carriers. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE]HiHi totally agree Boneranger. Seems safe.

Not to mention the traffic jam at the safe lockers handling euro bills, or the door handle when entering the toilets or the restaurant area. And last but not least, the coughing taxi driver taking you to your hotel at late night shift.

A now closed til 19 April -see home page (only in German for the moment?) [URL]https://www.fkk-artemis.de/[/URL].

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2434253]A now closed til 19 April -see home page (only in German for the moment?) [URL]https://www.fkk-artemis.de/[/URL].[/QUOTE]It must be the longest closure since Artemis opened its door.

A now closed til 19 April -see home page (only in German for the moment?

Probably longer my German friends were called today by officials to close their business for 3 months, I think this is also valid for the FKK.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2435531]A now closed til 19 April -see home page (only in German for the moment?

Probably longer my German friends were called today by officials to close their business for 3 months, I think this is also valid for the FKK.[/QUOTE]Many business won't able to last, they will go bankrupt if fed do not provide some kind of financial subsidies.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2436063]Many business won't able to last, they will go bankrupt if fed do not provide some kind of financial subsidies.[/QUOTE]Or corporate welfare? Seems to me it's called a "subsidy" if you get it. But if somebody else gets it, it's "welfare" LOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2436257]Or corporate welfare? Seems to me it's called a "subsidy" if you get it. But if somebody else gets it, it's "welfare" LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]We provide welfare to girls in FKK for 60 euro per 30 min and they provide us with memories that last life time, this is what I call fair trade LOL!

That means that you can remember most of the girls you sessioned? Probably I sessioned more than 1000 girls in 15 years but I can / want only remember 5 of them and obviously the one I am with since 3 years but this is another story.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2436735]That means that you can remember most of the girls you sessioned? Probably I sessioned more than 1000 girls in 15 years but I can / want only remember 5 of them and obviously the one I am with since 3 years but this is another story.[/QUOTE]I take notes of girls I sessioned through out my life, but it is like around 200 in course of 20 years I have been mongering. Yes, it is much lower than yours, but I am extremely selective guy to the extent other may not believe LOL.

I spend most of time in FKK, sitting, looking, hunting for stunner of stunner. I only care for looks and rest I can negotiate in room.

But I only want to fuck with the best of best looking girls in my life, and it is serving me well. Marriage cannot be for me, I cannot fuck old woman no way LOL!

There is a long article in a Berlin newspaper about continued harrassement of Artemis. Worth a read, easily translated. [URL]https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/grossbordell-artemis-staatsanwaltschaft-stellt-bordellbetreiber-weiter-ins-zwielicht/24235264.html[/URL].

No decision will be made on any sort of reopening til at least 15 June.

[QUOTE=BoneRanger69;2454020]There is a long article in a Berlin newspaper about continued harrassement of Artemis. Worth a read, easily translated. [URL]https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/grossbordell-artemis-staatsanwaltschaft-stellt-bordellbetreiber-weiter-ins-zwielicht/24235264.html[/URL].

No decision will be made on any sort of reopening til at least 15 June.[/QUOTE]Being only FKK in the capital of Germany may make Artemis used as political tool.

Good for business as Artemis monopolize Berlin mongering scene more or less, but politically, Artemis is maybe in dangerous geographical location.

I am starting to dislike this shut down situation. A lot. Does anybody have any news or even just rumors, good or bad, about reopening FKK clubs in Germany in general and Artemis in particular?

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2463905]I am starting to dislike this shut down situation. A lot. Does anybody have any news or even just rumors, good or bad, about reopening FKK clubs in Germany in general and Artemis in particular?[/QUOTE]There's no news!

Right now it can be [B]assumed[/B] that FKK's can open in September when social distancing requirements are to end. It may be earlier or later than that, but note that beer festivals, fun fairs and the like cannot start until November.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2463905]I am starting to dislike this shut down situation. A lot. Does anybody have any news or even just rumors, good or bad, about reopening FKK clubs in Germany in general and Artemis in particular?[/QUOTE]I think owners are on the same page as you.

[QUOTE=PinballMachine;2463905]I am starting to dislike this shut down situation. A lot. Does anybody have any news or even just rumors, good or bad, about reopening FKK clubs in Germany in general and Artemis in particular?[/QUOTE]They've made a post on social media yesterday that said "Soon". I don't think it will be soon but maybe they know something we don't.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2472117]To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.[/QUOTE]For sure, can't blame Germany to be careful to protect their citizens, even Germans are crying full balls on their forums, when they are used to go to AO before returning to wife. As say German girls, 20's /30's guys have brothels culture, when I ask them why they don t find a nice lover rather than Turkish or Albanian or even Afghan pimp, some being marked like cows in farms with pimp owner name written on them. Level of most German girls in this business.

EL: I am half German, you can not imagine the level of the German prostitutes, terrible, really the bottom of the bottom of the society.

Just have to speak with German WGs to easily understand very fast their level, I m happy because I found at Globe one who can speak like a normal woman, maybe because she had normal job before, more interesting and elegant than average, but born poor Romanians are usually better educated than Germans in brothels.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2472344]EL: I am half German, you can not imagine the level of the German prostitutes, terrible, really the bottom of the bottom of the society.[/QUOTE]What are you saying? I don't understand.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2472415] poor Romanians are usually better educated than Germans in brothels.[/QUOTE]And much better at foreign languages. And sex.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2472556]And much better at foreign languages. And sex.[/QUOTE]Yes, Romanian beauties, when with charm and elegance are usually great for love in bed. We are lucky to get them, sometimes for cheap rate 50/30. They are more expensive at Globe, but with silicon for most and without charm for nearly all. If not mostly Romanians in FKK land, German WGs would not work for 50/30. As say German WGs who moved to Globe, they don t do so much for only 50/30.

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2472621]Sex work will be possible next month.

[URL]https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2020-08/sexarbeit-berlin-senat-corona-krise-hygieneauflagen-prostitution[/URL][/QUOTE]Here's hoping. I'll believe it when I see it. And to see it I'd have to get there. So there would have to be a flight.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2472776]Here's hoping. I'll believe it when I see it. And to see it I'd have to get there. So there would have to be a flight.[/QUOTE]On their website they say "Finally! Re-opening 1 September 2020!" This is great news! Now Hessen & NRW needs to follow.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2473403]On their website they say "Finally! Re-opening 1 September 2020!" This is great news! Now Hessen & NRW needs to follow.[/QUOTE]Thats great, now I hope good news to follow so that travel restriction to be lifted.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2473403]On their website they say "Finally! Re-opening 1 September 2020!" This is great news! Now Hessen & NRW needs to follow.[/QUOTE]Finca Erotica Dierdorf claimed to reopen on 12 June. Better to wait to see reality on 1 September, when virus is still spreading and even increasing in Western Europe, when Romania is put under quarantine.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2473485]Finca Erotica Dierdorf claimed to reopen on 12 June. Better to wait to see reality on 1 September, when virus is still spreading and even increasing in Western Europe, when Romania is put under quarantine.[/QUOTE]I agree with Sirioja here.

How the hell can they be so optimistic when the virus is spreading wide again and Romania which is the 90 % provider is in 2nd or 3rd place every day in new cases in Europe?

I understand the girls who don't care much about the virus as long as they can make money but the visitors?

[QUOTE=Kippen;2473403]On their website they say "Finally! Re-opening 1 September 2020!" This is great news! Now Hessen & NRW needs to follow.[/QUOTE]Well, it sounds good, but as the saying goes: "seeing is believing."

I remain skeptical that it will happen, given the enormous current scaremongering about "a Second Wave" here in Europe.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2473485]Finca Erotica Dierdorf claimed to reopen on 12 June. Better to wait to see reality on 1 September, when virus is still spreading and even increasing in Western Europe, when Romania is put under quarantine.[/QUOTE]Yes of course it is uncertain but I keep my fingers crossed. If Artemis is allowed to open maybe Finca Erotica can open too. I mean, the reason Finca is still closed is because Rheinland-Pfalz didn't want to be the only state to allow FKKs again. Or was it another state maybe. ?

[QUOTE=Kippen;2473718]Yes of course it is uncertain but I keep my fingers crossed. If Artemis is allowed to open maybe Finca Erotica can open too. I mean, the reason Finca is still closed is because Rheinland-Pfalz didn't want to be the only state to allow FKKs again. Or was it another state maybe. ?[/QUOTE]Finca was not allowed to open when Hells owners know how to do. Artemis will have to be allowed, to open. Prostitution being allowed don t mean risky brothels will be allowed to open. Wait and see.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2472344]EL: I am half German, you can not imagine the level of the German prostitutes, terrible, really the bottom of the bottom of the society.[/QUOTE]When you say "bottom low" . What does that mean? No education, no manners, drug addiction, what exactly is most dominant about them?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2472344]EL: I am half German, you can not imagine the level of the German prostitutes, terrible, really the bottom of the bottom of the society.[/QUOTE]Please elaborate.

[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2476530]When you say "bottom low" . What does that mean? No education, no manners, drug addiction, what exactly is most dominant about them?[/QUOTE]That is how most Romanian are in Germany. Especially the manners part. German girls are far better. Although they also have a drug and alcohol problem.

Is Artemis still scheduled to reopen?

If it is I will read reports with interest before deciding if to visit myself.

I've not been to Artemis for nearly three years because it became too expensive for the service generally received but if it reopens I will probably give it another try. Especially if it's the only FKK open in Germany.

[QUOTE=Canary;2477897]Is Artemis still scheduled to reopen?

If it is I will read reports with interest before deciding if to visit myself.

I've not been to Artemis for nearly three years because it became too expensive for the service generally received but if it reopens I will probably give it another try. Especially if it's the only FKK open in Germany.[/QUOTE]Some privates opened in Saarland with mask for sex on menu. Of course, can't know when in room, if you seduce the girl, she falls in love for you and forget everything under passion. I just know making cum girls pay for their behavior with us, some even say thank You, helping to make them improving for us. Wait and see on next week for Artemis, when Switzerland and Austria have increasing rates and Zurich take new protecting decisions, Romania being under 10 days quarantine, and France could become at risk for Zurich Kanton.

Please elaborate. EL: What do you want me to elaborate? Most of them have family problems usually both parents are not German, low level of education, taking drug or alcohol some have also psychiatric problems, may be you should be aware that in Germany there is full employment I would like to say more than full for the native German why should a clever, pretty German woman work in a FKK and getting fucked so many times every day by every one willing to put 50 euro on the table. They can do escort or easily find a sugar daddy, or find a rich boy friend or have a good job so many opportunities. The same is also valid for us, why should we pay for woman if we were able to date young and sexy girls in real life for free.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2478140]Some privates opened in Saarland with mask for sex on menu. Of course, can't know when in room, if you seduce the girl, she falls in love for you and forget everything under passion. I just know making cum girls pay for their behavior with us, some even say thank You, helping to make them improving for us. Wait and see on next week for Artemis, when Switzerland and Austria have increasing rates and Zurich take new protecting decisions, Romania being under 10 days quarantine, and France could become at risk for Zurich Kanton.[/QUOTE]Last year when I visited Artemis, girls were asking 50 extra for kissing and 50 more for blowjob without. It is almost more expensive than Globe in Zürich!

If Artemis reopen next week, I can easily imagine that the girls will ask 50 extra for sex without mask LOL.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2478241]Last year when I visited Artemis, girls were asking 50 extra for kissing and 50 more for blowjob without. It is almost more expensive than Globe in Zrich!

If Artemis reopen next week, I can easily imagine that the girls will ask 50 extra for sex without mask LOL.[/QUOTE]So it was 160 for 30 GFE mn? Then, yes more expensive than Globe where 130/30.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2478241]Last year when I visited Artemis, girls were asking 50 extra for kissing and 50 more for blowjob without. It is almost more expensive than Globe in Zrich!

If Artemis reopen next week, I can easily imagine that the girls will ask 50 extra for sex without mask LOL.[/QUOTE]This will probably depend on who's more desperate. The girls who has lost a big chunk of their income for a long period of time, or the clients who hasn't been able to fuck properly for a long period of time. My guess is that the girls will be more service minded than before.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2478241]Last year when I visited Artemis, girls were asking 50 extra for kissing and 50 more for blowjob without. It is almost more expensive than Globe in Zrich!

If Artemis reopen next week, I can easily imagine that the girls will ask 50 extra for sex without mask LOL.[/QUOTE]I was in Artemis last year and it was not that bad, it was 100 euro 30 min or 150 euro 1 hour with GFE experience including DFK, DATY and BBBJ.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2478186]Please elaborate. EL: What do you want me to elaborate? Most of them have family problems usually both parents are not German, low level of education, taking drug or alcohol some have also psychiatric problems, may be you should be aware that in Germany there is full employment I would like to say more than full for the native German why should a clever, pretty German woman work in a FKK and getting fucked so many times every day by every one willing to put 50 euro on the table. They can do escort or easily find a sugar daddy, or find a rich boy friend or have a good job so many opportunities. The same is also valid for us, why should we pay for woman if we were able to date young and sexy girls in real life for free.[/QUOTE]So you say there is full employment for Germans.

Where is your source?

Where is your link?

I talked to some immigrants a few years ago at a Berlin hostel. They were travelling around Germany looking for work. And one of them had just been to Dresden. Let's just say he even excused the natives in Dresden for being anti-immigrants. According to this African immigrant I spoke to, there was absolutely no jobs available there. And he claimed there must have been over 30% unemployment. He had been there for 3 weeks and said he felt sorry for the people living there.

Germany is a big country! Just because you have visited Frankfurt and Dusseldorf, does not mean that all parts of the rest of Germany are as affluent as the people there!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2478684]So you say there is full employment for Germans.

Where is your source?

Where is your link?

I talked to some immigrants a few years ago at a Berlin hostel. They were travelling around Germany looking for work. And one of them had just been to Dresden. Let's just say he even excused the natives in Dresden for being anti-immigrants. According to this African immigrant I spoke to, there was absolutely no jobs available there. And he claimed there must have been over 30% unemployment. He had been there for 3 weeks and said he felt sorry for the people living there.

Germany is a big country! Just because you have visited Frankfurt and Dusseldorf, does not mean that all parts of the rest of Germany are as affluent as the people there![/QUOTE]Not only good well paid jobs in Germany, but many low level part time jobs, and East of Germany or deep Rhur are not Munich or Frankfurt. Some German WGs have also normal job. Ask them about.

I can't wait for Artemis to open in a few hours!

I am so excited I am going to take my sleeping bag and sleep outside so I be the first one to get inside!

Yuppie!

Seem Artemis need to get allowance about health safety to open. Do they get? I would be very happy if they are allowed, then after my climbing, could go to discover. I would enjoy heated swimming pool, when Globe destroyed for useless Mainhattan area which was never VIP. Are foods so bad at Artemis when entry 80? Like a good man, I only fuck after eating good.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479197]Are you so sure in deep East part, in Chemnitz, Zwickau, Magdebourg and around. And in deep Rhur?

EL, of course, you as a french guy, you know the situation, what is the employment rate in Neuilly, versus 93,94, I let you make a parallel with the immigration % in the different places, do you know the employment rate in Hungary, today in France it is impossible to get figures like % of jailed people with migration background, % of unemployment in the population with migration background. It is like asking a doctor to help you but you don t let him do any blood analysis. For me first we have to get the datas after that obviously not telling the people to leave but to work together an action plan with each individual to build him a future and not let them sell drugs and probably ending in jail or even worse be killed what is happening in France every day.[/QUOTE]94 district in France is not poor. I'm pretty sure Saint Mandé and Vincennes around castle are more expensive than anywhere in Germany. I don t say France is better than Germany, even I know so many 100% German love France for our quality of life, far higher than in Germany, and same in Italy or Spain. Not many French nor Italians nor Spanish go to spend holidays in Germany, when these 3 countries receive so many German tourists or Germans leaving Germany to have a better life in these 3 countries. Same for NL and UK who come to live in these 3 high quality level of life countries.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2479304]Seem Artemis need to get allowance about health safety to open. Do they get? I would be very happy if they are allowed, then after my climbing, could go to discover. I would enjoy heated swimming pool, when Globe destroyed for useless Mainhattan area which was never VIP. Are foods so bad at Artemis when entry 80? Like a good man, I only fuck after eating good.[/QUOTE]Last year, I had a simple escalope panée in the evening but I do not remember the other choices because I was not interested. For 80, we can expect much more better, for sure! I did not see the breakfast because I visited only in the evening.

EL: fully online with you but nevertheless so many guys will go, just they have a addiction to sex and this is more important than all the rest, like the guys driving very fast just because they are better and stronger than many others until the accident happen, same for the covid they just believe they are stronger than any other just because they are healthy but this will not prevent them for 100% not to get seriously sick from the covid19, the virus is very resistant; chicken coming from Brazil was checked positive after so many weeks in the fridge of the boat, in toilets without open window which is mostly the case in the FKK the virus can survive several hours in the air. I am going on not visiting any prostitute, going on making nice savings, going on enjoying my life far from the P6, and this at least until beginning of 2021.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479475]EL: fully online with you but nevertheless so many guys will go, just they have a addiction to sex and this is more important than all the rest, like the guys driving very fast just because they are better and stronger than many others until the accident happen, same for the covid they just believe they are stronger than any other just because they are healthy but this will not prevent them for 100% not to get seriously sick from the covid19, the virus is very resistant; chicken coming from Brazil was checked positive after so many weeks in the fridge of the boat, in toilets without open window which is mostly the case in the FKK the virus can survive several hours in the air. I am going on not visiting any prostitute, going on making nice savings, going on enjoying my life far from the P6, and this at least until beginning of 2021.[/QUOTE]Medical meaning of addiction is suffering not being able to control, even when falling in problems, not when taking pleasure and not being in problems, but you are right: always better to be careful, we have only 1 life, but can be short if You are found too late a cancer, or having heart attack.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479475]..same for the covid they just believe they are stronger than any other just because they are healthy but this will not prevent them for 100% not to get seriously sick from the covid19, the virus is very resistant; chicken coming from Brazil was checked positive after so many weeks in the fridge of the boat, in toilets without open window which is mostly the case in the FKK the virus can survive several hours in the air. [/QUOTE]Agree. It is far too risky to do this. Going to FKK not like riding UBahn or going to office. Multiple vectors. Showers, crowded big smokey room, all talking loudly, and and and. Different risk pool of mongers and girls. Have to register with form when going to room. Will wait til vaccine ready. Also Art's entrance fee now 90 Eur (buried in FAQ section of website.

Artemis will reopen tomorrow. Check the website.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2479772]Artemis will reopen tomorrow. Check the website.[/QUOTE]I really hope it does. Anyone from here will visit tomorrow? And tell us if it's mask on and how many euros the girls charge to remove it LOL.

"I want GFE with french? It's 50 EUR for kisses + additional 30 if you want kissing without mask".

I checked the website out, I'm not sure I will come back soon.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2479833]I checked the website out, I'm not sure I will come back soon.[/QUOTE]The king is back!

For those who are interested and can't read German, to visit Artemis you need to provide your personal data and take an appointment via their file on the website, I guess the experience will be far from what it used to be.

I still stick on what I was saying for months, not the good time to monger, keep your money waiting for better times.

"Sexual services are by appointment only".

Might as well use an escort and save the entry fee.

[QUOTE=Kippen;2479822]I really hope it does. Anyone from here will visit tomorrow? And tell us if it's mask on and how many euros the girls charge to remove it LOL.

"I want GFE with french? It's 50 EUR for kisses + additional 30 if you want kissing without mask".[/QUOTE]You would pay 50 for kissing with mask? To be asked 30 more for without mask. Must be really desperate for sex to accept this. Fortunately, when most difficult for me was always to find a attractive beauty, but since reopening, can still find same level than before, in GT Vienna or in Switzerland. Also 6 ens NL but didn't even give a try because of level of looks there, not my standard and never found wow in bed there.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2479939]"Sexual services are by appointment only".

Might as well use an escort and save the entry fee.[/QUOTE]It doesn't look like they've put much thought into their "reopening".

The requirement to book services is only provided in the German language section of their website. It seems like no updates were made for the other languages. I presume they'll make a daily working girls plan available inside the club because I don't see anything on their website.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2479960]It doesn't look like they've put much thought into their "reopening".

The requirement to book services is only provided in the German language section of their website.[/QUOTE]The booking is a legal requirement, see:

[URL]https://www.berlin.de/corona/massnahmen/sexuelle-dienstleistungen/[/URL]

"Sexuelle Dienstleistungen theürfen nur nach Terminvereinbarung und ausschließlich an einzelnen Personen angeboten werden".

I guess it will be arranged on the spot, as part of the process of getting a key for the room.

But let's wait for reports from the early visitors.

I hope that chic and elegant women with charm who do not look like prostitute do not ask 50 for extra in Artemis.

[QUOTE=BrahmaPoutre;2480048]I hope that chic and elegant women with charm who does not look like prostitute do not ask 50 for extra in Artemis.[/QUOTE]I found at Globe a German ex Artemis, what a pretty face, super sexy, charming, good mannered and the most elegant at Globe. She made my Summer at Globe, for 200 € for our rooms, not so expensive for Globe and a real pleasure in bed. Even I prefer Romanians for their behavior I'm used to, for me, but I would like to find many elegant beauties with good manners like her.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480060]I found at Globe a German ex Artemis, what a pretty face, super sexy, charming, good mannered and the most elegant at Globe. She made my Summer at Globe, for 200 for our rooms, not so expensive for Globe and a real pleasure in bed. Even I prefer Romanians for their behavior I'm used to, for me, but I would like to find many elegant beauties with good manners like her.[/QUOTE]Anja? Half German, Half Russian girl? Blonde, blue eye, sporty fit body, natural tits, not big, but beautiful tit, about 165 to 168 cm.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479931]For those who are interested and can't read German, to visit Artemis you need to provide your personal data and take an appointment via their file on the website, I guess the experience will be far from what it used to be.

I still stick on what I was saying for months, not the good time to monger, keep your money waiting for better times.[/QUOTE]So this is the Grand opening they were telling about weeks before on FB?

I expected this from the management. It is actually a scam, you book appointment to meet the prostitute inside the club? Hahaha do the guys even know how many escorts work in Germany? Why would I chose Artemis to do this?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480145]Anja? Half German, Half Russian girl? Blonde, blue eye, sporty fit body, natural tits, not big, but beautiful tit, about 165 to 168 cm.[/QUOTE]No, mine is full German, 24 yo and 172 bare feet. What I like is she doesn't lie about age and eight, when false information on Globe profiles and some writing she is 178, but when you take shower with her, you see she is not, like Linda is never 180. Her elegance and charm for a German attracted me, when other Germans at Globe have no elegance, and of course I can t resist to french manicure. As she is fast for so real orgasmus in bed, sometimes even when fucking her, I can manage with her for 45 mn with really no rush. But I prefer Romanian charm when I find one. Unfortunately for me, best Romanians are not at Globe now.

People aren't visiting until the weekend?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480183]No, mine is full German, 24 yo and 172 bare feet. What I like is she doesn't lie about age and eight, when false information on Globe profiles and some writing she is 178, but when you take shower with her, you see she is not, like Linda is never 180. Her elegance and charm for a German attracted me, when other Germans at Globe have no elegance, and of course I can t resist to french manicure. As she is fast for so real orgasmus in bed, sometimes even when fucking her, I can manage with her for 45 mn with really no rush. But I prefer Romanian charm when I find one. Unfortunately for me, best Romanians are not at Globe now.[/QUOTE]So Globe is doing good with line up, I hope Artemis get more younger beautiful German girls as they once did back in early 2010's.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2480368]So Globe is doing good with line up, I hope Artemis get more younger beautiful German girls as they once did back in early 2010's.[/QUOTE]Some German girls from GT Bruggen and their Miss 2019 elected by Germans, went to Globe, when no business in Germany, when paid sex is forbidden in NRW, but she is not wow for look. Lana also from GT is pretty face but no wow in bed and Melina is lovely but not pretty enough to repeat after Germany. When Linda is only average face for me, with no elegance nor charm, when elegance and charm are like to find a panda at Globe, when no Megan beauty at the moment, only 1 girl for me at Globe at the moment, not what I tell a good casting but very average compare to until 2018 , but improving since January 2019, when I left many times with no room. Sometimes just restaurant and jacuzzi to prepare or recover close to my mountains. I don't pay to empty balls, I pay to dream, at least, even I was really happy to return with Megan after nearly 29 months and even repeated, but German from Artemis with her elegance, really charming behavior, full french manicure on our last time, for sure for me as we joked, and so fresh in bed, when I went to discover her at 1 am, made me dream on our rooms and before going, I like she takes time, not rushing, before going to room, I don't rush her, I like to feel my desire waking up when looking at her, when she smiles, I hate girls like a silicon Romanian who arrived from Oase, on first time she came to me at Oase, she just said: Zimmer, I didn't dare, but I wanted to answer: look at you. Only 1 attractive girl at Globe, when had 3 on my GT Vienna discovery, but if she was not booked for hours for geriatric sex with ugly, could be OK. I prefer only 1 elegant beauty rather than many silicon dolls or GND or Romanian schoolgirls like Lorette and Candy who are cute, but not woman.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2479931]For those who are interested and can't read German, to visit Artemis you need to provide your personal data and take an appointment via their file on the website, I guess the experience will be far from what it used to be.

I still stick on what I was saying for months, not the good time to monger, keep your money waiting for better times.[/QUOTE]No problem for me to give name and phone like I do in Switzerland, not even problem to give ID and to have phone number controlled like at Freubad. Ch, but I want to see girls, to see how they look at me, because good information about how it may work, before choosing.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2480484]or GND or Romanian schoolgirls like Lorette and Candy who are cute, but not woman.[/QUOTE]Too bad man, I have had Lorette and Candy together, they have been very, very bad girls that didn't to their homework, so they had to be punished LOL.

I've seen reports on German boards saying that Artemis did in fact reopen on 1st Sept, and that LU is thus far nothing to write home about.

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2480648]I've seen reports on German boards saying that Artemis did in fact reopen on 1st Sept, and that LU is thus far nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]Scam as expected.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2480577]Too bad man, I have had Lorette and Candy together, they have been very, very bad girls that didn't to their homework, so they had to be punished LOL.[/QUOTE]I desire woman looks and behavior, not really prostitute behavior. When I m a real Romanian, elegant woman types lover, but unfortunately for me, Romanians at Globe now are not so pretty and low level for behavior, lacking elegance and charm, so I need to find a German. Fortunately, I found one with a bit of elegance, charming, and really enjoyable and for sure not faking in bed.

I was in Berlin when I read on a German board that Artemis was opening. I happened to have been travelling with a connection in Berlin so I changed the connection so I could get a few fucks in. I arrived at opening the next morning and waited in que maybe 11 punters. My temperature was taken (36.4), they let me in the door and I used the hand sanitizer before paying. The lineup was not good. Older, too much ink, these girls look like they need to retire already. They were not too aggressive but younger prettier girls started to emerge. I noticed a few faces were familiar from Samya, GT, Sharks and FKK ROM.

The girl from ROM interested me and I remember her from years ago when she was at Babylon also. Goes by Julie now but I forget the old names. Short little blond girl with man made mountain peaks. She wanted 150 for an hour and 60 more for BBBJ. Told her I would pass. She asked again 10 minutes later and I told her 180 if she allowed DATY and two cums, she wanted 200 and I agreed. I have no complaints on service, in the room we did several positions, great quality blowjob and came once in missionary and once in doggie. Great room.

Two hours passed and I met a new girl from Bulgaria and told me she was brand new. LOL. Her English was poor but ok to strike a deal. She goes by Elena. Tall and skinny blond. She wasn't the prettiest girl but I sensed her service levels would be great. Looked identical* to a girl in Sharks. She delivered it all. She told me 140 for the hour and it included BBBJ. Services included kissing, DATY, Multi position sex and a great blowjob. If optics aren't the top of your list and service is then she is a good bet. She was not ugly, but certainly not one to brag about but the service was WOW! For 140 the session was a bargain so I reckon I got hosed by the first girl a little but girl number one was much prettier. If the first girl's fees were the norm then the second girl was working cheaper. Not sure, but I came 3 times total and was more than content.

I had a great time at Artemis. Girls not top notch as a group but some gems to be found. I think all in all I estimate LU size of 30 and never saw more than 15 bears. FKK is back! Conditions and all are not perfect; I expected the place to be overflowing to capacity with hungry FKK lovers but maybe the guys are not too excited about the new rules or there are just not enough foreign travel guys to fill the club. I only heard German (and Romanian) spoken and there were only two Asian men in the club so it appears the party for now will only include German and EU guys. Maybe that is why not many men. No tourists. I hope more clubs will open but with no Asians and no Americans it might continue to be slow.

Happy mongering!

What about face masks or restrictions of service?

Were all the girls and customers wearing face masks in the main lounge?

[QUOTE=BertieWooster;2480816]I was in Berlin when I read on a German board that Artemis was opening. I happened to have been travelling with a connection in Berlin so I changed the connection so I could get a few fucks in. I arrived at opening the next morning and waited in que maybe 11 punters. My temperature was taken (36.4), they let me in the door and I used the hand sanitizer before paying. The lineup was not good. Older, too much ink, these girls look like they need to retire already. They were not too aggressive but younger prettier girls started to emerge. I noticed a few faces were familiar from Samya, GT, Sharks and FKK ROM.

The girl from ROM interested me and I remember her from years ago when she was at Babylon also. Goes by Julie now but I forget the old names. Short little blond girl with man made mountain peaks. She wanted 150 for an hour and 60 more for BBBJ. Told her I would pass. She asked again 10 minutes later and I told her 180 if she allowed DATY and two cums, she wanted 200 and I agreed. I have no complaints on service, in the room we did several positions, great quality blowjob and came once in missionary and once in doggie. Great room.[/QUOTE]Thanks very much for your report. Do You have to put on mask in club and give name and phone to go to room with a girl? Entry is now 90 ? How were foods? Is there ATM in club?

[QUOTE=BertieWooster;2480816]Short little blond girl with man made mountain peaks. She wanted 150 for an hour and 60 more for BBBJ. Told her I would pass. She asked again 10 minutes later and I told her 180 if she allowed DATY and two cums, she wanted 200 and I agreed. I have no complaints on service, in the room we did several positions, great quality blowjob and came once in missionary and once in doggie. Great room.

Two hours passed and I met a new girl from Bulgaria and told me she was brand new. She told me 140 for the hour and it included BBBJ. Services included kissing, DATY, Multi position sex and a great blowjob. [/QUOTE]Back in the days, 1 HR: BBBJ+DATY+2 shots =120€, 100/80€ for anal as option.

90€ the entry fee, 60€ for a piece of plastic, 150€ an hour.

I've been spending nights in Art since 2016, I'm not sure the quality will be the same like the past years.

I could spent 400€ to 1 k€ a night and have a good time, go to the room as long as I wanted.

Hopefully, we are in a capitalist world and I'll go in more affordable place.

ART was on my top list but with those rates I'm definitely not ready to come back here.

Thanks for the report. It says on their website, that you have to make an appointment (per website) with one of the ladys. How will this work out? And, if I have complied to that appointment, am I then free to rover around? Your report didn't mention it at all, which I find strange.

[QUOTE=BertieWooster;2480816]I was in Berlin when I read on a German board that Artemis was opening. I happened to have been travelling with a connection in Berlin so I changed the connection so I could get a few fucks in. I arrived at opening the next morning and waited in que maybe 11 punters. My temperature was taken (36.4), they let me in the door and I used the hand sanitizer before paying. The lineup was not good. Older, too much ink, these girls look like they need to retire already. They were not too aggressive but younger prettier girls started to emerge. I noticed a few faces were familiar from Samya, GT, Sharks and FKK ROM.

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Happy mongering![/QUOTE]

But if the club has just reopened 5 days ago, we should give it a bit more time. Ladies may have gotten involved in other short-term obligations. I guess October will be much better.

But hopefully, covid-number stay approximately low, otherwise, guess what establishements they would close first??

[QUOTE=DenHaag;2480648]I've seen reports on German boards saying that Artemis did in fact reopen on 1st Sept, and that LU is thus far nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]

EL: may be also a lot of guys are clever enough not to put their health at risk just to fuck a prostitute. Also you confirm was I am saying since years, always the same veteran girls around, switching from this place to this place, those girls are unable to do other things that to open their wholes to anyone willing to pay some euros.

Only 1 report so far and it's from a first time poster. Hmm.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2481050]Only 1 report so far and it's from a first time poster. Hmm.[/QUOTE]This is why I did thank him, even I was told low level for looks on reopening and not crowded with slow business, so I won't rush. I only want quality, I'm not in rush to empty balls.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2481050]Only 1 report so far and it's from a first time poster. Hmm.[/QUOTE]Entry increased to 90 and girls rate for basic sex to 70/30, but more expensive for GFE. Seem club mostly to fuck tourists, even my German from Artemis is honest.

Friday 4th of September.

Went there around 16:00 and left 02:00. Mask is mandatory. Security at the door check your temperature. You show ID and write down your name, date, email, phone number on a paper form. You save the form and when leaving you write down the girls name and return it to security at the door. The entry is now 90 euro and 70 euro for 30 min.

The LU was OK in my opinion. They can't let too many people in. Later at around 21 it was full house so there was a line outside. When someone go out they let another person in.

Mostly known faces, the veteran girls. The LU will probably get better in a couple of weeks. But for me it was OK since I found some of my favorites like Gabi. The service was actually better than when I was in Artemis in February. Before it was "cmon baby cum for me" every other minute. Now it's no stress, no upselling at all. I usually do extra anyway. Maybe 6 months of being closed was not so bad, the girls got a bit spoiled before Corona.

Mask is mandatory when you walk around. Security and the girls will tell you to put your mask on. Half of the showers are closed and the food is served on a plate by the staff.

Overall I had a good time but yes it is a bit risky. I understand if some people don't want to take that risk.

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;2481189]Friday 4th of September.

Went there around 16:00 and left 02:00. Mask is mandatory. Security at the door check your temperature. You show ID and write down your name, date, email, phone number on a paper form. You save the form and when leaving you write down the girls name and return it to security at the door. The entry is now 90 euro and 70 euro for 30 min.

The LU was OK in my opinion. They can't let too many people in. Later at around 21 it was full house so there was a line outside. When someone go out they let another person in.

Mostly known faces, the veteran girls. The LU will probably get better in a couple of weeks. But for me it was OK since I found some of my favorites like Gabi. The service was actually better than when I was in Artemis in February. Before it was "cmon baby cum for me" every other minute. Now it's no stress, no upselling at all. I usually do extra anyway. Maybe 6 months of being closed was not so bad, the girls got a bit spoiled before Corona.

Mask is mandatory when you walk around. Security and the girls will tell you to put your mask on. Half of the showers are closed and the food is served on a plate by the staff.

Overall I had a good time but yes it is a bit risky. I understand if some people don't want to take that risk.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that report. How was it in the room? Any girls insisting on any mask use? What about kissing?

Very nice to see a real, live report!

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2481050]Only 1 report so far and it's from a first time poster. Hmm.[/QUOTE]Maybe it is from the owner of the club.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2481032]EL: may be also a lot of guys are clever enough not to put their health at risk just to fuck a prostitute. Also you confirm was I am saying since years, always the same veteran girls around, switching from this place to this place, those girls are unable to do other things that to open their wholes to anyone willing to pay some euros.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are able to find a job for 400 euro per month. But since they have learned that they can make that money much easier in 2-3 hours why quit?

You also have to understand that opening their wholes to anyone is willing to pay means absolutely nothing to them. You are seeking for dignity in a prostitute?

Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;2481189] They can't let too many people in. Later at around 21 it was full house so there was a line outside. When someone go out they let another person in.[/QUOTE]Any idea on how many 'full house' equates to? Ballpark amount of guys?

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;2481189]The service was actually better than when I was in Artemis in February. Before it was "cmon baby cum for me" every other minute. Now it's no stress, no upselling at all. I usually do extra anyway. Maybe 6 months of being closed was not so bad, the girls got a bit spoiled before Corona.

Mask is mandatory when you walk around. Security and the girls will tell you to put your mask on. Half of the showers are closed and the food is served on a plate by the staff.[/QUOTE]Any Corona induced changes to procedure once in the room?

Cheers.

Mask in club like at 6 ens NL where girls also have, so how can You see about pretty face and beautiful teeth, or bad teeth? Not so attractive. Should be same at Paradise Sarrebrucken in Saarland like at Venezia private, when I liked to see Anna. Ro beautiful smile and white teeth at Wellcum. At, when no mask in Austria nor Switzerland. No rush for mask, I only put in real life for respect for others.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2481256]Thanks for the report.

Any idea on how many 'full house' equates to? Ballpark amount of guys?

Any Corona induced changes to procedure once in the room?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I asked one of the girls and she said maximum 250 people (including the girls). She told me many girls go there earlier now so they will get in. Don't know if the number is correct but it didn't get too packed with guys like before Corona. But it was more guys than girls in the smoke lounge after midnight, but that's normal at Artemis on a Friday.

No changes when in the room, like usual.

Greetings,

I'm a regular visitor to Berlin for business and sometimes for fun too. I had an opportunity to visit Artemis this weekend and thought I would confirm some facts about how the club is operating under the current pandemic conditions.

I had read about Artemis re-opening in the local German forums and its really great to see some useful reports and information on international sex guide in the Germany FKK clubs forum particularly about Artemis re-opening. I was inspired to no longer be a guest on international sex guide and to add some useful information to the conversation. To be honest so much of what is written in this forum seems to be just idle chit chat and guys shooting the breeze. The same guys posting again and again about absolutely nothing. Reports about far flung places not even in Germany. Sometimes not even in Europe. It can be difficult to separate useful information from so much waffle. So great to read a few useful reports about Artemis and its re-opening. So great not to have to rely on German language forums.

There have been many questions with regard to the new anti-virus rules now applicable in Artemis. I can confirm that on entry to Artemis hallowed halls you will have your temperature checked and if that measurement is normal you will be asked to provide your name, address and telephone number. It is advisable to provide correct details because I was asked to provide identification, so you must remember to bring your ID card, passport or driver's licence with you. Otherwise you could be sent packing.

Your identification details are written on paper and you keep this form until you exit the club. You must keep this form safe because on exiting the club you will be asked for the names of the ladies with whom you have visited and your exit time will also be noted down. The cost of entry is now euro 90. Upon paying you receive an arm-band from the club, along with your robe and locker key.

It should also be noted that you must wear a mask as you arrive and as you move around the club. It is permissible to remove the mask if you are sitting down. This rule also applies to the ladies. I saw no person not wearing a mask.

There is disinfectant available throughout the club and not just at the entrance or in the changing rooms.

All stools have been removed around the bar so it is no longer possible to loiter there. If you wish to sit you must sit on a sofa and you must be seated in order to take off your mask to chat either with fellow mongers or the ladies present.

It is difficult to estimate, but on Friday evening I reckon there were approximately 40 guests and maybe 60 ladies. The club atmosphere is more sedate than it was before the pandemic. There are less customers wandering around or loitering. Most customers either head quickly to the room with a lady or head outside to the garden. There is no necessity to wear a mask in the garden. The swimming-pool is open as is the large sauna but the whirlpool and hammam are closed.

Masks were not worn in the rooms, at least not with the ladies I was with. Maybe different ladies have more stringent requirements but I doubt this to be the case.

I can say that I had a most enjoyable visit to Artemis. The experience was more sedate than what was the norm in less stressful times. Would I visit again. Certainly yes. But then again, because of age and health, I am not in a high-risk category when it comes to the virus. I guess the good news is that FKK clubs (in Germany) are beginning to re-open. Let's hope that they remain open so that the fun can continue.

GJ.

Thank you so much StrikeFour, Gironimo Jones and Bertie Wooster for the update. Really nice to hear that its open for real again and not only appointment as some people said. 90 EUR entry is a little to much but I will go anyway. Even 80 EUR was to high IMO. But without a competitor nearby I guess there is no problem for the management to higher the price.

[QUOTE=StrikeFour;2481285]I asked one of the girls and she said maximum 250 people (including the girls). She told me many girls go there earlier now so they will get in. Don't know if the number is correct but it didn't get too packed with guys like before Corona. But it was more guys than girls in the smoke lounge after midnight, but that's normal at Artemis on a Friday.

No changes when in the room, like usual.[/QUOTE]Many thanks.

Sounds like Artemis is the FKK canary down the Corona mine. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481199]Thank you for that report. How was it in the room? Any girls insisting on any mask use? What about kissing?

Very nice to see a real, live report![/QUOTE]In the room it was like before Corona and kissing was no problem at all.

[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2481327]Greetings,

I'm a regular visitor to Berlin for business and sometimes for fun too. I had an opportunity to visit Artemis this weekend and thought I would confirm some facts about how the club is operating under the current pandemic conditions.

I had read about Artemis re-opening in the local German forums and its really great to see some useful reports and information on international sex guide in the Germany FKK clubs forum particularly about Artemis re-opening. I was inspired to no longer be a guest on international sex guide and to add some useful information to the conversation. To be honest so much of what is written in this forum seems to be just idle chit chat and guys shooting the breeze. The same guys posting again and again about absolutely nothing. Reports about far flung places not even in Germany. Sometimes not even in Europe. It can be difficult to separate useful information from so much waffle. So great to read a few useful reports about Artemis and its re-opening. So great not to have to rely on German language forums.

There have been many questions with regard to the new anti-virus rules now applicable in Artemis. I can confirm that on entry to Artemis hallowed halls you will have your temperature checked and if that measurement is normal you will be asked to provide your name, address and telephone number. It is advisable to provide correct details because I was asked to provide identification, so you must remember to bring your ID card, passport or driver's licence with you. Otherwise you could be sent packing.

Your identification details are written on paper and you keep this form until you exit the club. You must keep this form safe because on exiting the club you will be asked for the names of the ladies with whom you have visited and your exit time will also be noted down. The cost of entry is now euro 90. Upon paying you receive an arm-band from the club, along with your robe and locker key.

It should also be noted that you must wear a mask as you arrive and as you move around the club. It is permissible to remove the mask if you are sitting down. This rule also applies to the ladies. I saw no person not wearing a mask.

There is disinfectant available throughout the club and not just at the entrance or in the changing rooms.

All stools have been removed around the bar so it is no longer possible to loiter there. If you wish to sit you must sit on a sofa and you must be seated in order to take off your mask to chat either with fellow mongers or the ladies present.

It is difficult to estimate, but on Friday evening I reckon there were approximately 40 guests and maybe 60 ladies. The club atmosphere is more sedate than it was before the pandemic. There are less customers wandering around or loitering. Most customers either head quickly to the room with a lady or head outside to the garden. There is no necessity to wear a mask in the garden. The swimming-pool is open as is the large sauna but the whirlpool and hammam are closed.

Masks were not worn in the rooms, at least not with the ladies I was with. Maybe different ladies have more stringent requirements but I doubt this to be the case.

I can say that I had a most enjoyable visit to Artemis. The experience was more sedate than what was the norm in less stressful times. Would I visit again. Certainly yes. But then again, because of age and health, I am not in a high-risk category when it comes to the virus. I guess the good news is that FKK clubs (in Germany) are beginning to re-open. Let's hope that they remain open so that the fun can continue.

GJ.[/QUOTE]Really good and useful report. Thanks.

I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.

I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70€ 30 min, compare to 60 € 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481583]I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Seem you won't get so much for less than 100/120/30 mn. I can agree to pay 200 for 1 hour but the girl has to be a elegant beauty and lovely in bed. Not sure, many natural beauties for my standard, but more silicon and tattooed.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481583]I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.[/QUOTE]With regard to FKK pricing, I was already close to my tipping point. I mean, an hour with anal plus BBBJ / CIM was easily hitting 300 euros. Start going above that, and it starts to get too high for me. I think it would be just bad business judgment and greed for them to start upping prices. Now is not the time. You want to draw customers back, not push them away by hiking prices. Mongers like me have other places we can go to if we need to if Germany starts to get too high in price. Raise prices too high, and they will drive the final nails into their own coffins. They can get away with raising entrances fees I think, but I think raising the cost of sexual services will bring only problems in the end. Switzerland FKKs are expensive, but that's Switzerland where everything is expensive! Top Austrian clubs are higher, but I found overall optics and service to be lower, which makes Germany the bigger draw for mongers. Spain, although not built on the FKK model, offers great action but is also on the expensive end (the clubs anyway), and service levels can be uneven (you can't have confidence about what you will get for your money). Germany holds the "sweet spot" in Europe for me, and can stay there by holding the line on prices when things open up again. If I have to, I can always stick with Brazil, which is my favorite anyway.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2481583]I am wondering if when FKKs open up they will take the opportunity to increase their entry prices like Artemis. And the girls too. Another down side to the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Yes, 90 Euros entry fee is outrageous! What a nice "welcome back" present from the Artemis management for their loyal customers. / sarc.

I guess they don't really see a long term future, but instead they want to grab as much money as desperate customers are willing to pay, before the next shutdown / lockdown hits them.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2481587]I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?[/QUOTE]12% more on entry and more than 15% increasing girls rate and you should not get much for only 70. Maybe why when only Artemis in Berlin and Germany but not crowded and girls will cry about slow business. Fucking clients don t pay for long.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2481609]Yes, 90 Euros entry fee is outrageous! What a nice "welcome back" present from the Artemis management for their loyal customers. / sarc.

I guess they don't really see a long term future, but instead they want to grab as much money as desperate customers are willing to pay, before the next shutdown / lockdown hits them.[/QUOTE]I have not been a fan of Artemis for 5+ years, and I would not be rushing to attend this club at these prices (actually, until I have a reliable vaccine I can trust, I will not be attending any sex clubs -- please spare me your standard lectures on how benign is the virus in your view. Keep it for another day). But from the club's pov, 90 entry is not that much at all. Fact of the matter is, Artemis was already charging more than other German clubs and those who liked it enough did attend, those who did not care for it stayed away. And German clubs are cheaper than those in some neighboring countries, and that also was status quo and those who could tolerate the higher prices attended such clubs for the perceived higher quality of club / girls / both. So, a differential pricing due to # clubs in a given location, competitive dynamic, local cost of living were all taken into consideration. Now, in this reopening, none of us know what were the incremental expenses the club had to spend to make it open. Clearly, the club is operating under much reduced capacity, allowing only certain # men at a given time. Did they intentionally allow fewer girls as well to comply with the rules? So, there was lost revenue from men and from perhaps girls as well. Their expenses, instead of being commensurately reduced, might have in fact gone up if there were extra sanitary and other measures to be put into effect. Of course there was the several months' lost revenue and they probably kept paying most of the expenses to stay alive (mortgage, taxes, license, some salaries for staff, skeletal maintenance expense, etc).

Guys here on ISG are going to claim Artemis has to take a long term outlook and not charge extra. Why? If in future girls' quality or service went down at Artemis, will you patronize this club out of loyalty? If not, then why should Artemis forego revenue to acquire your loyalty which is fickle at best and highly changeable?

They do not even know how long they may stay open. For all they know, they may be forced to shut down in a week. Starting and stopping is more expensive than staying shut, as NRW / Hessen clubs have done. But in the logic of the guys here, the club should swallow all these expenses. Club management may instead be thinking "we went out of our way, fought hard with local municipality and others to reopen, we are jumping through the hoops to help our customers who have been starving for sex for 6 months, and we have extra expenses than normal and we should recoup them."

When some FKK girls were charging 150 an hour, no one said anything here. In fact, people said 150 was a bargain. Now, people are whining entry fee is hiked 10 bucks.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2481587]I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?[/QUOTE]The answer is very simple.

Monopoly in Berlin.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2481587]I wonder what it is different in the scope of supply for 70 30 min, compare to 60 30 min.

Can Somebody help me?[/QUOTE]They raised the price to 70 euro per 30 min now in Artemis? They already charged higher before and not provided good service unless you pay up even more, so the price increase is not justified, but it may gather more stunner level girls to Artemis with even higher price now?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482174]... but it may gather more stunner level girls to Artemis with even higher price now?[/QUOTE]Not sure. The Veterans (like Berna) will always still there, a big part of the "fresh" ladies will probably come from areas which have not opened up yet (once, I noticed in the same night at least 10 ladies from Hamburg FKKs).

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2482231]Not sure. The Veterans (like Berna) will always still there, a big part of the "fresh" ladies will probably come from areas which have not opened up yet (once, I noticed in the same night at least 10 ladies from Hamburg FKKs).[/QUOTE]I wonder how management of FKK gather girls?

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482469]I wonder how management of FKK gather girls?[/QUOTE]They come by themselves due to the reputation of the place and obviously the number of men (strongly tied with the financial aspect).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482469]I wonder how management of FKK gather girls?[/QUOTE]Mgmt normally has girls phone numbers and WhatsApp is very common.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2482680]They come by themselves due to the reputation of the place and obviously the number of men (strongly tied with the financial aspect).[/QUOTE]Rational and right. On top of that, Artemis monopolize Berlin market for FKK and arguably for mongering as other clubs are rather limited.

The glory days of PIMPS are long gone after the raid LOL!

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2482938]Mgmt normally has girls phone numbers and WhatsApp is very common.[/QUOTE]So they do both ways, girls call and also management calls, but I also think girls calls upon girls and get commission if they begin to work as working girl. And also some pimps or system are in Romania for recruitment too because too many Romanians in the industry, but it is good thing as they are more or less in safe working environment in FKK than other place.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2482947]Rational and right. On top of that, Artemis monopolize Berlin market for FKK and arguably for mongering as other clubs are rather limited.

The glory days of PIMPS are long gone after the raid LOL![/QUOTE]But the business for WG Taxi Driver is still very lucrative.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483168]too many Romanians in the industry[/QUOTE]I would like more German women, more czeckies, more Polies, more Danish women or Nordic.

Romanians in Art aren't the best I met up so far. Actually, I avoid them. Too vulgar compare to the other nationality backgrounds mentioned above.

Hello,

Is Artemis back to normal compared to pre-coronavirus? Are there as many beautiful girls as before? Thanks!

Too many Romanian girls in the P6 is just because those girls have no shae to be a *****, it is cultural for some of them, but if you travel to Bucharest, ot Brayla you will find many normal girls who will not open their wholes just to get 50 euros.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2483279]I would like more German women, more czeckies, more Polies, more Danish women or Nordic.

Romanians in Art aren't the best I met up so far. Actually, I avoid them. Too vulgar compare to the other nationality backgrounds mentioned above.[/QUOTE]German WGs in brothels, usually tattooed and silicon, some Turkish or Albanian marked, are much more vulgar and lower educated than many Romanians. On last night at Samya, few Romanian natural beauties, prettier than now Globe level of looks, and 3 Germans, 1 fat, 1 silicon and tattooed like her friend.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2483216]But the business for WG Taxi Driver is still very lucrative.[/QUOTE]What do you mean? The kick backs from Artemis to taxi drivers for bringing clients? In Ocean in duss, it is very much like that really pisses off Siri with entrance fee differences LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483442]What do you mean? The kick backs from Artemis to taxi drivers for bringing clients? In Ocean in duss, it is very much like that really pisses off Siri with entrance fee differences LOL![/QUOTE]Well, Oceans has a terrible location for a taxi driver considering it is basically next door to theüsseldorf airport. Artemis on the other hand has a ride costing 42 euro to Shönefeld, so much better business there.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2483216]But the business for WG Taxi Driver is still very lucrative.[/QUOTE]Taxi drivers? The kick back from reception is big thing or? It certainly is for oceans and also I hear from a driver in Frankfurt that they get if I remember right 30 euro if they bring a client to FKK!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2481674]I have not been a fan of Artemis for 5+ years, and I would not be rushing to attend this club at these prices (actually, until I have a reliable vaccine I can trust, I will not be attending any sex clubs...........[/QUOTE]You wouldn't consider going to the club but wearing a mask for protection?

Everyone knows that wearing a mask is giving close to 0 protection, the only protection possible is to reduce the number of social contacts and by consequence the risk to get infected. So many cluster around now in France Colleges, with very high number of infected students, this covid is very aggressive but fortunately seems not be that terrible killer predicted by some, but nevertheless I think that visiting a FKK is at high because of the extreme promiscuity in places without proper air renewal.

A solid FFP3 mask for 6 euro (e. G. Oxyline X 310 SV FFP3 on Amazon) gives outstanding protection.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2483610]Everyone knows that wearing a mask is giving close to 0 protection, the only protection possible is to reduce the number of social contacts and by consequence the risk to get infected. So many cluster around now in France Colleges, with very high number of infected students, this covid is very aggressive but fortunately seems not be that terrible killer predicted by some, but nevertheless I think that visiting a FKK is at high because of the extreme promiscuity in places without proper air renewal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kuni042;2483680]A solid FFP3 mask for 6 euro (e. G. Oxyline X 310 SV FFP3 on Amazon) gives outstanding protection.[/QUOTE]I don't think 6 EUR is much for your protection.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2483610]Everyone knows that wearing a mask is giving close to 0 protection, the only protection possible is to reduce the number of social contacts and by consequence the risk to get infected. So many cluster around now in France Colleges, with very high number of infected students, this covid is very aggressive but fortunately seems not be that terrible killer predicted by some, but nevertheless I think that visiting a FKK is at high because of the extreme promiscuity in places without proper air renewal.[/QUOTE]Exactly, so if everyone cooperate, it does give whole society protection But most hardest thing for Europe is how to make people stay more or less home instead of going on holiday as usual once the summer arrived.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483603]You wouldn't consider going to the club but wearing a mask for protection?[/QUOTE]Tbh, the medical aspect is only one part of it. Being a family guy, if I am unfortunate enough to catch Covid then it is a risk not only from a personal health pov but also spreading to others and then having to explain how and where I may have contacted it. But much more practically, I need a whole bunch of things in place before I can travel to fkks. Smooth, zero hassle travel, hotels and all other issues sorted out, no quarantines of any kind whatsoever. Also, some specific things like business travel back to normal, conferences, need to visit clients, business meets etc in place. I need an excuse to visit Europe. At the moment, we are all wfh. My spouse knows my colleagues, knows there is no business travel and that no face to face meets are happening and all that. Family at my home can hear my Webex calls and Teams meets. Until this changes and life returns to some normalcy, making an escape to Europe would be challenging. We will see. I am very inventive in this department and have a variety of tricks and ways to cover my tracks and have not been caught yet while doing this for several years but this current weirdness is definitely a challenge.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2483714]Tbh, the medical aspect is only one part of it. Being a family guy, if I am unfortunate enough to catch Covid then it is a risk not only from a personal health pov but also spreading to others and then having to explain how and where I may have contacted it. But much more practically, I need a whole bunch of things in place before I can travel to fkks. Smooth, zero hassle travel, hotels and all other issues sorted out, no quarantines of any kind whatsoever. Also, some specific things like business travel back to normal, conferences, need to visit clients, business meets etc in place. I need an excuse to visit Europe. At the moment, we are all wfh. My spouse knows my colleagues, knows there is no business travel and that no face to face meets are happening and all that. Family at my home can hear my Webex calls and Teams meets. Until this changes and life returns to some normalcy, making an escape to Europe would be challenging. We will see. I am very inventive in this department and have a variety of tricks and ways to cover my tracks and have not been caught yet while doing this for several years but this current weirdness is definitely a challenge.[/QUOTE]Well from that way of looking at things, then a family guy should stay away from FKK because you may catch std and spread it to your wife, then to your children via kisses etc, but since you used a word escape, I feel ya, marriage can be very trapped feeling LOL!

Having said that, there are no lying in you, you are going on business trip to Europe, it is just that it is different type of business that your wife may think, it is money for sex business trip LOL! So you are honest man in reality LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2483714]Until this changes and life returns to some normalcy, making an escape to Europe would be challenging. We will see. I am very inventive in this department and have a variety of tricks and ways to cover my tracks and have not been caught yet while doing this for several years but this current weirdness is definitely a challenge.[/QUOTE]I hear ya.

So you will also look forward to the days when a cashless society ("cash spreads Covid" LOL), a "vaccine," and tracking apps (to monitor that the sheeple have been vaxxed in a timely manner) are introduced in order to "fight Covid" and "spread freedom and democracy?" / sarc.

Just look at China: where every step you make is monitored with a gigantic totalitarian surveillance state, and where a social credit system determines if you can get into an airplane or train.

In Shanghai you need to have a Covid tracking app with a QR code to even walk into a shop, so everybody have fun in the future when visiting a German FKK club and being required to present your smartphone so the reception lady can scan your Corona Tracking App and can "check you in" in the FKK club. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UpkQPiRCQ[/URL].

And please everybody, don't be naive by sticking your head in the sand and think "this is just in China, it can never happen here," because almost all EU governments are actively working on changing their constitutions so they can make these sort of tracking apps legal and mandatory for everybody, including tourists.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2483714]............... But much more practically, I need a whole bunch of things in place before I can travel to fkks. Smooth, zero hassle travel, hotels and all other issues sorted out, no quarantines of any kind whatsoever. Also, some specific things like business travel back to normal, conferences, need to visit clients, business meets etc in place. I need an excuse to visit Europe..........[/QUOTE]Actually, same here.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483903]Actually, same here.[/QUOTE]I'm on the same boat.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2483903]Actually, same here.[/QUOTE]There's a business just waiting to explode there. Businessmen all over the World needing a "business buddy" who emails you at work to say "Hi John / Jim / Frank / whoever. Could really do with meeting up with you in Frankfurt soon. Have some real opportunities to discuss". Now that kinda friend is worth a lot!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2483776]Well from that way of looking at things, then a family guy should stay away from FKK because you may catch std and spread it to your wife, then to your children via kisses etc, but since you used a word escape, I feel ya, marriage can be very trapped feeling LOL!

Having said that, there are no lying in you, you are going on business trip to Europe, it is just that it is different type of business that your wife may think, it is money for sex business trip LOL! So you are honest man in reality LOL![/QUOTE]I like your thinking Ho. Even if I get into a relationship, which is very unlikely, I can still do the business trips like Pessimist where I will be giving charitable business to the needy FKK girls and in turn to their families and pimps, for my dick's very important trips to those girls' pussies and mouths. That's me being very honest to myself and my future ex wife or girlfriend LOL!

Normally at this time of year there'd be some kind of electronics convention, quite a few of the Artemis ladies would ask me if I'd come to Berlin for that. Stuck for excuses now. Only a certain number of times I can say that I'm visiting a friend and it's quite suspicious that I keep visiting Berlin.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2483996]I like your thinking Ho. Even if I get into a relationship, which is very unlikely, I can still do the business trips like Pessimist where I will be giving charitable business to the needy FKK girls and in turn to their families and pimps, for my dick's very important trips to those girls' pussies and mouths. That's me being very honest to myself and my future ex wife or girlfriend LOL![/QUOTE]In a way, we are the united colors of investors for Romanian lower class or German lower class etc LOL! We are even committed to fly in to help, we are borderless LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2483714]Tbh, the medical aspect is only one part of it. Being a family guy, if I am unfortunate enough to catch Covid then it is a risk not only from a personal health pov but also spreading to others and then having to explain how and where I may have contacted it. But much more practically, I need a whole bunch of things in place before I can travel to fkks. Smooth, zero hassle travel, hotels and all other issues sorted out, no quarantines of any kind whatsoever. Also, some specific things like business travel back to normal, conferences, need to visit clients, business meets etc in place. I need an excuse to visit Europe. At the moment, we are all wfh. My spouse knows my colleagues, knows there is no business travel and that no face to face meets are happening and all that. Family at my home can hear my Webex calls and Teams meets. Until this changes and life returns to some normalcy, making an escape to Europe would be challenging. We will see. I am very inventive in this department and have a variety of tricks and ways to cover my tracks and have not been caught yet while doing this for several years but this current weirdness is definitely a challenge.[/QUOTE]Would you like to share with us some of those tricks?

My girlfriend doesn't like that I am travelling all the time from Milano to Germany. Haha.

[QUOTE=Rambambinoz;2484006]Normally at this time of year there'd be some kind of electronics convention, quite a few of the Artemis ladies would ask me if I'd come to Berlin for that. Stuck for excuses now. Only a certain number of times I can say that I'm visiting a friend and it's quite suspicious that I keep visiting Berlin.[/QUOTE]I guess you think about the IFA messe?

Do you need excuses to tell the Artemis girls?

"I am here to fuck", what is wrong with that one? .

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2484251]I guess you think about the IFA messe?

Do you need excuses to tell the Artemis girls?

"I am here to fuck", what is wrong with that one?.[/QUOTE]Haha no it's my family members that will get suspicious why I keep going to Berlin when there isn't anything on.

I don't know the name of the convention, but this time last year the club was really quiet and they were expecting it to be busy because of the convention. Apparently the management became aware of some negative forum reports and told the ladies to fix up. I only had maybe 2 mediocre sessions the previous year but the rest were good after that. Only concern was the line up getting worse, and that's before all the covid measures.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484079]In a way, we are the united colors of investors for Romanian lower class or German lower class etc LOL! We are even committed to fly in to help, we are borderless LOL![/QUOTE]Humanitarians without borders!

Saviors of the poor damsels in distress!

We need to create an NGO for these efforts.

Sorry to go back to real info. BZ article in German about expectations of actual scene (sort of) [URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/die-knallhart-coronaregeln-vom-artemis[/URL]. Ninja like how journalist got action photo in room. Choice assignment after years in Afghanistan?

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2484714]Sorry to go back to real info. BZ article in German about expectations of actual scene (sort of) [URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/die-knallhart-coronaregeln-vom-artemis[/URL]. Ninja like how journalist got action photo in room. Choice assignment after years in Afghanistan?[/QUOTE]I hope that guy's wife is not reading this forum.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2484287]Humanitarians without borders!

Saviors of the poor damsels in distress!

We need to create an NGO for these efforts.[/QUOTE]If UN not going to save Romanian and German FKK girls, we going to save them LOL!

Just say you have a girlfriend in Berlin? Then at least they won't think you are gay. Something Berlin is also very famous for.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2484880]Just say you have a girlfriend in Berlin? Then at least they won't think you are gay. Something Berlin is also very famous for.[/QUOTE]Berlin is most liberal city I know! At least legally and in western world!

Some emerging nations has more freedom, but that is all illegal, but Berlin, FKK etc are all legal and people there seems to be very liberal thinking and friendly people! Germans often says Berlin is not Germany due to Berliner people and their extreme freedom way of mindset and attitude toward things!

I love Berlin as a city the most in Germany!

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2484714]Sorry to go back to real info. BZ article in German about expectations of actual scene (sort of) [URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/die-knallhart-coronaregeln-vom-artemis[/URL]. Ninja like how journalist got action photo in room. Choice assignment after years in Afghanistan?[/QUOTE]Hmm, thanks for that.

That's not all that appealing. May just stick to visiting a few bars and trying my charm on the locals. So that would be returning home alone and horny.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2484974]I love Berlin as a city the most in Germany![/QUOTE]OK Mr. Ho I get it, but have you ever been to Munich? As far as cities go, in Germany I like Munich the best, and there is also one good FKK there. That would be FKK Sunshine: [URL]https://ks.fkk-sunshine.de/index.php/de/.[/URL] One of my funniest sessions ever happened there. I was having anal sex with a hot Romanian girl and she says (in heavy, heavy, heavy Romanian accent), "I want to feel the pressure of your sperm inside my butt hole! Please release the pressure of your sperm inside my butt hole"! LOLOLOL! Was everything I could do to not explode with laughter. I did manage to maintain my composure though. And instead exploded the pressure of my sperm inside of her Romanian butt hole.

[QUOTE=SimonSays911;2485001]
That's not all that appealing. May just stick to visiting a few bars and trying my charm on the locals. So that would be returning home alone and horny.[/QUOTE]I understand the sentiment. So I went on the website and for sure it says that sex is only possible if you make a booking. But none of the girls are pictures so how on earth does anyone know (1) who to select, and (2) if they will be working the day / night you arrive. Tells me that in reality you can "book" in the club.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485192]I understand the sentiment. So I went on the website and for sure it says that sex is only possible if you make a booking. But none of the girls are pictures so how on earth does anyone know (1) who to select, and (2) if they will be working the day / night you arrive. Tells me that in reality you can "book" in the club.[/QUOTE]I called the club and had it confirmed that you make the "appointment" at the reception with the girl when you have chosen. Also although the website says there is no drink consumption this is not correct. The bar is closed but the staff will serve drinks.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485141]OK Mr. Ho I get it, but have you ever been to Munich? As far as cities go, in Germany I like Munich the best, and there is also one good FKK there. That would be FKK Sunshine: [URL]https://ks.fkk-sunshine.de/index.php/de/.[/URL] One of my funniest sessions ever happened there. I was having anal sex with a hot Romanian girl and she says (in heavy, heavy, heavy Romanian accent), "I want to feel the pressure of your sperm inside my butt hole! Please release the pressure of your sperm inside my butt hole"! LOLOLOL! Was everything I could do to not explode with laughter. I did manage to maintain my composure though. And instead exploded the pressure of my sperm inside of her Romanian butt hole.[/QUOTE]She must have physics degree or chemistry degree LOL! There are many cities I have not been to in Germany yes, but for me, I pretty much settle with two main cities in Germany from now on, one is Berlin and another is Frankfurt!

Hamburg interest me, but one thing I learnt in FKK is that, girls moves around, so it is better to station in one or two FKK to hunt the ones you like on touring! Instead of moving around! But am still tempted to go to other cities LOL! Anything for beautiful young pussies LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485205]I called the club and had it confirmed that you make the "appointment" at the reception with the girl when you have chosen. Also although the website says there is no drink consumption this is not correct. The bar is closed but the staff will serve drinks.[/QUOTE]Thanks that is useful. I suppose you're correct in that you don't know which lady is working on a day (or time) so how could you possibly book.

If I do end up visiting I'll share my experience.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485233]She must have physics degree or chemistry degree LOL! There are many cities I have not been to in Germany yes, but for me, I pretty much settle with two main cities in Germany from now on, one is Berlin and another is Frankfurt!

Hamburg interest me, but one thing I learnt in FKK is that, girls moves around, so it is better to station in one or two FKK to hunt the ones you like on touring! Instead of moving around! But am still tempted to go to other cities LOL! Anything for beautiful young pussies LOL![/QUOTE]If I were to recommend another place for you to visit, I would pick Hamburg. That's because there are three FKKs in the general area, and it's a city with lots of other things to do. I think you would like FKK Babylon Hamburg as I do. It's in the same kind of league as a Palace or an Artemis. In Hamburg I fucked attractive German, Polish, Aremenian, and Iranian girls (several in the butt). I purposely avoided Romanian girls, not because I don't like them, but because I wanted something different for a change. Hamburg offered that diversity in tute selection. Although, there is no telling what the line-ups are at present, or what we can count on them becoming during these times. I don't even know if all the Hamburg area clubs are open at this time. Think I saw that Harmony is. Anyway, stop being so Japanese Mr. Ho. Instead of going to the same well over and over and over again, get out and explore for some new wells too. Remember that all wells eventually dry up! You will need other sources of "sustenance" one day. Go and explore and find those "deep new wells".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485363]If I were to recommend another place for you to visit, I would pick Hamburg. That's because there are three FKKs in the general area, and it's a city with lots of other things to do. I think you would like FKK Babylon Hamburg as I do. It's in the same kind of league as a Palace or an Artemis. In Hamburg I fucked attractive German, Polish, Aremenian, and Iranian girls (several in the butt). I purposely avoided Romanian girls, not because I don't like them, but because I wanted something different for a change. Hamburg offered that diversity in tute selection. Although, there is no telling what the line-ups are at present, or what we can count on them becoming during these times. I don't even know if all the Hamburg area clubs are open at this time. Think I saw that Harmony is.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Might be able to get there next week. Atmos and Harmony are open. Never been to Babylon. Might give it a try if it is open.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485363]If I were to recommend another place for you to visit, I would pick Hamburg. That's because there are three FKKs in the general area, and it's a city with lots of other things to do. I think you would like FKK Babylon Hamburg as I do. It's in the same kind of league as a Palace or an Artemis. In Hamburg I fucked attractive German, Polish, Aremenian, and Iranian girls (several in the butt). I purposely avoided Romanian girls, not because I don't like them, but because I wanted something different for a change. Hamburg offered that diversity in tute selection. Although, there is no telling what the line-ups are at present, or what we can count on them becoming during these times. I don't even know if all the Hamburg area clubs are open at this time. Think I saw that Harmony is. Anyway, stop being so Japanese Mr. Ho. Instead of going to the same well over and over and over again, get out and explore for some new wells too. Remember that all wells eventually dry up! You will need other sources of "sustenance" one day. Go and explore and find those "deep new wells".[/QUOTE]I would also like the food in Hamburg as it is bay area with great sea food and yes, I tend to prefer stunners that are found in near city up sell clubs LOL! And I am used to negotiations, been doing it in FKK for years LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485478]Interesting. Might be able to get there next week. Atmos and Harmony are open. Never been to Babylon. Might give it a try if it is open.[/QUOTE]I always thought Atmos is like Artemis or Palace like club, but apparently Babylon is! Thanks to Senpai cane LOL!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485678]I always thought Atmos is like Artemis or Palace like club, but apparently Babylon is! Thanks to Senpai cane LOL![/QUOTE]Not for me though I have only been once. Number of girls available not 50% of Artemis and the club was not as big. I felt more at home at Harmony (even smaller) but as I say. One visit only. I will try Babylon. But not until I tried Artemis this week.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485678]I always thought Atmos is like Artemis or Palace like club, but apparently Babylon is! Thanks to Senpai cane LOL![/QUOTE]Atmos is not like any other place anywhere. Very strange layout. Got to see it to understand it. And like PayForIt says, Harmony is small. FKK Babylon Hamburg is the most like Palace or Artemis in terms of the physical plant, "feel", dynamics, etc. Also, it is a club that gets going more in the evening time. Just don't know why it doesn't get more press play. Both Harmony and Atmos get more, but I liked Babylon the best among the Hamburg FKKs. It's also the closest to the city center. Harmony is really, really far from the city center. OK, back to Artemis!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485785]Atmos is not like any other place anywhere. Very strange layout. Got to see it to understand it. And like PayForIt says, Harmony is small. FKK Babylon Hamburg is the most like Palace or Artemis in terms of the physical plant, "feel", dynamics, etc. Also, it is a club that gets going more in the evening time. Just don't know why it doesn't get more press play. Both Harmony and Atmos get more, but I liked Babylon the best among the Hamburg FKKs. It's also the closest to the city center. Harmony is really, really far from the city center. OK, back to Artemis![/QUOTE]I suppose it doesn't get more hype because the crowds here haven't visited so much. Guess I need to pay Hamburg a visit one day also. But you can always start the hype train if you want.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485785]Atmos is not like any other place anywhere. Very strange layout. Got to see it to understand it. And like PayForIt says, Harmony is small. FKK Babylon Hamburg is the most like Palace or Artemis in terms of the physical plant, "feel", dynamics, etc. Also, it is a club that gets going more in the evening time. Just don't know why it doesn't get more press play. Both Harmony and Atmos get more, but I liked Babylon the best among the Hamburg FKKs. It's also the closest to the city center. Harmony is really, really far from the city center. OK, back to Artemis![/QUOTE]

Really appreciate this info ahead of a trip to Artemis (tomorrow) then 2 nights in Hamburg. So will for sure head to Babylon first. Not least as I trust your reports having shared many with you in the past of great value. Still not sure where to go on the second Hamburg night. Torn between seeing what is happening on the Reeperbahn post-Covid restrictions, and heading to Harmony. Who knows, I might like Babylon so much I return for a second night. If Artemis is good tomorrow am likely to return on Friday for round two before returning home. Strange times so will be really interesting to see how it all works in comparison to my recent mongering in Spain which was indeed affected but not that badly. Im still somewhat at a loss to understand why NRW, Hamburg, Berlin and Bavaria can all be open but Hessen cannot - but I havent been back to Berlin/Hamburg for quite some time so will be interesting to see it in action and what is/what is not on offer.

On the subject to Artemis I called and asked if it was now alcohol free (given the website which says categorically that consuming drinks is not permitted!) - receptionist confirmed drinks were available to order.🥃🍸🍺🍺🍷 I have a feeling it will be likely that punters sit on a couch, remain seated while staff and girls approach.🪑🛋 This is not great for me because (as The Cane knows and has witnessed!) I like to do rounds in any club to check out the girls, and evade those I dont want to session with!

The weather looks good this week - 🌞🌞I have no doubt the swimming pools in both Artemis and Babylon will be closed, but whatever, I intend to try to lie on a subbed for part of the day at least. My favourite way to spend any day at an FKK is to chill in the sun with a beer and watch the naked ladies walking around the pool. Sharks and Oase are my favourites for this, but needs must, and if Artemis and Babylon can meet that need, in these terrible times, I shall be a happy bunny.

Disappointed to learn the gym at Artemis, and Hammam are closed. I LOVE the gym in Artemis. My favourite planned Artemis day: arrive 1pm. Robe/shower. Check lunchtime/day LU - if any 8s or 9s one hour. Gym for 90 mins 🏋🏻*♀️🏋🏻🏋🏻*♂️(60 weights 30 cardio🚵🏻) shower, sauna, hammam, professional massage, shower, robe, food. Pool/sunbathe/enjoy girls company/listen to music/sleep.

Into the evening - time for the main event. Circle the club to select 2 or 3 beauties to session with - in and out of rooms until 1pm. Taxi - hotel. A day of pure selfishness and bliss. I truly LOVE the FKK experience. For me there is nothing like it in the World though I have not been to Brazil or Columbia and long to go. Will let you guys know what awaits me at Artemis - I have a feeling my normal blissful day is not going to be quite as i normally like it - but hey, it matters not - what does is that it is still possible to enjoy this pastime.

I fully respect the views of several senior members of forums who say not going anywhere near mongering until Covid is over. An entirely personal choice. Not one anybody can criticise. I take a rather different view. I have one life, I want to extract the max out of it. Lifes journey will end one day. It might be sooner rather than later or I might get lucky and it might be a lot later. Im fit and healthy, I have no underlying health conditions. I tested positive for Covid in February and survived it with no complications I know of (very lucky for me). Maybe I dont have immunity. Maybe i do. I am not immune to stunning girls and pussy! Just the opposite! I might die on the flight to Germany, or on the highway on the way to the airport, or on the trip into Berlin, or from influenza, heart failure (when I cannot enjoy the pool at Artemis!! LOL 🏊🏼*♂️🙏🏻😂🤞🏻;), or cancer. Who knows? Am I going to be irresponsible - as much as possible not. I will sanitise constantly, Ill wear a mask at all times (whether it helps or not - its just might), I will socially distance (hopefully not in the room!). I respect the need for safety for others - and for me (whether I had it or not). But ultimately, what is to say I wont get the damn thing again and die - in which case I might just as well have enjoyed the final days hopefully basking in the sun around the Artemis pool, and heading in and out of rooms with pretty girls. I can hope. We all can. Im not prepared to put my life on hold. I suspect this virus is with us probably for many years and ultimately we will all have to reach herd immunity unless a successful vaccine comes. But until then, I intend to life as fully as I can whilst taking the best precautions I can.🤞🏻🤞🏻

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485762]Not for me though I have only been once. Number of girls available not 50% of Artemis and the club was not as big. I felt more at home at Harmony (even smaller) but as I say. One visit only. I will try Babylon. But not until I tried Artemis this week.[/QUOTE]Artemis is the one I have most belonging too due to many amazing memories there! It was back last Sept. For line up, I had amazing time, I wish you the same this week and good luck! Let us know!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485785]Atmos is not like any other place anywhere. Very strange layout. Got to see it to understand it. And like PayForIt says, Harmony is small. FKK Babylon Hamburg is the most like Palace or Artemis in terms of the physical plant, "feel", dynamics, etc. Also, it is a club that gets going more in the evening time. Just don't know why it doesn't get more press play. Both Harmony and Atmos get more, but I liked Babylon the best among the Hamburg FKKs. It's also the closest to the city center. Harmony is really, really far from the city center. OK, back to Artemis![/QUOTE]For me line up is all I care for, but near the city club for me tend to works more than others due to all the stunner upsell girls gather there LOL Money and beauty correlate in the world of FKK! Which makes sense really, if I am working girl and am a stunner, I go where the money is most for me and where I am valued right! If she is stunner, I will give her stunning value within that is reasonable LOL!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485828]Really appreciate this info ahead of a trip to Artemis (tomorrow) then 2 nights in Hamburg. So will for sure head to Babylon first. Not least as I trust your reports having shared many with you in the past of great value. Still not sure where to go on the second Hamburg night. Torn between seeing what is happening on the Reeperbahn post-Covid restrictions, and heading to Harmony. Who knows, I might like Babylon so much I return for a second night. If Artemis is good tomorrow am likely to return on Friday for round two before returning home. Strange times so will be really interesting to see how it all works in comparison to my recent mongering in Spain which was indeed affected but not that badly. Im still somewhat at a loss to understand why NRW, Hamburg, Berlin and Bavaria can all be open but Hessen cannot - but I havent been back to Berlin/Hamburg for quite some time so will be interesting to see it in action and what is/what is not on offer.

On the subject to Artemis I called and asked if it was now alcohol free (given the website which says categorically that consuming drinks is not permitted!) - receptionist confirmed drinks were available to order. I have a feeling it will be likely that punters sit on a couch, remain seated while staff and girls approach. This is not great for me because (as The Cane knows and has witnessed!) I like to do rounds in any club to check out the girls, and evade those I dont want to session with!

The weather looks good this week - I have no doubt the swimming pools in both Artemis and Babylon will be closed, but whatever, I intend to try to lie on a subbed for part of the day at least. My favourite way to spend any day at an FKK is to chill in the sun with a beer and watch the naked ladies walking around the pool. Sharks and Oase are my favourites for this, but needs must, and if Artemis and Babylon can meet that need, in these terrible times, I shall be a happy bunny. [/QUOTE]Beautiful prose. Thank you for sharing! Have a great time in this upcoming trip and I am sure you will share your experiences because you appear to be a very nice man!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2485363]If I were to recommend another place for you to visit, I would pick Hamburg. That's because there are three FKKs in the general area, and it's a city with lots of other things to do. I think you would like FKK Babylon Hamburg as I do. It's in the same kind of league as a Palace or an Artemis. In Hamburg I fucked attractive German, Polish, Aremenian, and Iranian girls (several in the butt). I purposely avoided Romanian girls, not because I don't like them, but because I wanted something different for a change. Hamburg offered that diversity in tute selection. Although, there is no telling what the line-ups are at present, or what we can count on them becoming during these times. I don't even know if all the Hamburg area clubs are open at this time. Think I saw that Harmony is. Anyway, stop being so Japanese Mr. Ho. Instead of going to the same well over and over and over again, get out and explore for some new wells too. Remember that all wells eventually dry up! You will need other sources of "sustenance" one day. Go and explore and find those "deep new wells".[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. First post here although I have been following on the sideline for a while. Especially this thread with Artemis, as it's my favorite (anyone knows if Elena and Carrie are still around?) Been to GT Vienna, Sharks, Vive Madrid, but this is the best I've been to in Europe so far (it doesn't beat Hong Kong in Tijuana).

Have been following recently to get an indication of how things are in a post-covid world. With restrictions and uncertainty about line-up, I think I'll wait a bit before booking the ticket.

What really triggered me to create a profile though was that I met 2 Armenian girls from Hamburg at Artemis a few years ago. Any chance you've met Bella and Medina in the Hamburg FKKs (they said they're usually at Atmos, and returned to Hamburg since they found Artemis to be too big) That would be enough reason for me to skip Artemis next time and try out Hamburg FKKs for the first time. Bella was amazing and probably one of my best experiences at Artemis.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485828]Really appreciate this info ahead of a trip to Artemis (tomorrow) then 2 nights in Hamburg. So will for sure head to Babylon first. Not least as I trust your reports having shared many with you in the past of great value. Still not sure where to go on the second Hamburg night. Torn between seeing what is happening on the Reeperbahn post-Covid restrictions, and heading to Harmony. Who knows, I might like Babylon so much I return for a second night. If Artemis is good tomorrow am likely to return on Friday for round two before returning home. Strange times so will be really interesting to see how it all works in comparison to my recent mongering in Spain which was indeed affected but not that badly. Im still somewhat at a loss to understand why NRW, Hamburg, Berlin and Bavaria can all be open but Hessen cannot - but I havent been back to Berlin/Hamburg for quite some time so will be interesting to see it in action and what is/what is not on offer. [/QUOTE]You definitely make good use of what you pay for payforit LOL! Your day is so full in FKK LOL! I should do that to, but I am too busy fixed at stair area to catch the girl who began the shift as I want to be first client of the day LOL!

Maybe between 2 pm till 4 pm, I can do other activity as girls stop coming around these time, it is more like 11 am to 2 pm max then it is calm for 2 hours without new girls walking in then around 5 pm ish girls begin coming in, so better to be ready to hunt at 4 pm and around dinner time at 7 pm to 9 pm is the most new girls walking in hour! So I am quite fixed at my sniper spot being sharp shooter LOL!

I often use gym at artemis too, but just free weight to get the blood circulation going and also to keep the testosterone up and it is good because I usually stay in charlotenberg hotels and those hotels do not have gym, but plenty of good restaurants around that are open till late! Happy mongering to you and careful with covid 19!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2485828]Really appreciate this info ahead of a trip to Artemis (tomorrow) then 2 nights in Hamburg. So will for sure head to Babylon first. Not least as I trust your reports having shared many with you in the past of great value. Still not sure where to go on the second Hamburg night. Torn between seeing what is happening on the Reeperbahn post-Covid restrictions, and heading to Harmony. Who knows, I might like Babylon so much I return for a second night. If Artemis is good tomorrow am likely to return on Friday for round two before returning home. Strange times so will be really interesting to see how it all works in comparison to my recent mongering in Spain which was indeed affected but not that badly. Im still somewhat at a loss to understand why NRW, Hamburg, Berlin and Bavaria can all be open but Hessen cannot - but I havent been back to Berlin/Hamburg for quite some time so will be interesting to see it in action and what is/what is not on offer. [/QUOTE]I Think Babylon has converted into a wellness beach club, so no longer an FKK at the moment: [URL]https://babylon-hamburg.com/en/[/URL]#konzept. However, I've always had a great time at Atmos, even if it has a strange layout. Have fun also for us, who can't travel at the moment!

[QUOTE=Sheen8;2485846]Thanks for the advice. First post here although I have been following on the sideline for a while. Especially this thread with Artemis, as it's my favorite (anyone knows if Elena and Carrie are still around?) Been to GT Vienna, Sharks, Vive Madrid, but this is the best I've been to in Europe so far (it doesn't beat Hong Kong in Tijuana).

Have been following recently to get an indication of how things are in a post-covid world. With restrictions and uncertainty about line-up, I think I'll wait a bit before booking the ticket.

What really triggered me to create a profile though was that I met 2 Armenian girls from Hamburg at Artemis a few years ago. Any chance you've met Bella and Medina in the Hamburg FKKs (they said they're usually at Atmos, and returned to Hamburg since they found Artemis to be too big) That would be enough reason for me to skip Artemis next time and try out Hamburg FKKs for the first time. Bella was amazing and probably one of my best experiences at Artemis.[/QUOTE]Yes, I enjoyed Bella at Atmos. A really hot girl who liked for me to put a finger in her asshole. Followed by my dick! She was one of the stars during my last big trip to Germany. I made up an imaginary group called "Lilia and the Bellas" since the top performers during my last trip were "Lilia" at Artemis, plus two girls going by "Bella", to include the Bella at Atmos. Recommended!

[QUOTE=Sheen8;2485846]Thanks for the advice. First post here although I have been following on the sideline for a while. Especially this thread with Artemis, as it's my favorite (anyone knows if Elena and Carrie are still around?) Been to GT Vienna, Sharks, Vive Madrid, but this is the best I've been to in Europe so far (it doesn't beat Hong Kong in Tijuana).

Have been following recently to get an indication of how things are in a post-covid world. With restrictions and uncertainty about line-up, I think I'll wait a bit before booking the ticket.

What really triggered me to create a profile though was that I met 2 Armenian girls from Hamburg at Artemis a few years ago. Any chance you've met Bella and Medina in the Hamburg FKKs (they said they're usually at Atmos, and returned to Hamburg since they found Artemis to be too big) That would be enough reason for me to skip Artemis next time and try out Hamburg FKKs for the first time. Bella was amazing and probably one of my best experiences at Artemis.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about Bella, but Atmos is the main club for Medina. She sometimes tours in other clubs though.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485857]
I usually stay in charlotenberg hotels and those hotels do not have gym, but plenty of good restaurants around that are open till late! Happy mongering to you and careful with covid 19![/QUOTE]Thanks. But you should try staying at the Hotel Aspria in Charlottenburg. Fantastic gym, huge pool and spa.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2485857]You definitely make good use of what you pay for payforit LOL! Your day is so full in FKK LOL! I should do that to, but I am too busy fixed at stair area to catch the girl who began the shift as I want to be first client of the day LOL![/QUOTE]So that's why people lurk by the stairs! I always thought they were just escaping the smoke!

I was thinking of going this weekend, but now unfortunately looks like it will rain.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2486021]Yes, I enjoyed Bella at Atmos. A really hot girl who liked for me to put a finger in her asshole. Followed by my dick! She was one of the stars during my last big trip to Germany. I made up an imaginary group called "Lilia and the Bellas" since the top performers during my last trip were "Lilia" at Artemis, plus two girls going by "Bella", to include the Bella at Atmos. Recommended![/QUOTE]Agree. Bella is a 10 in my books. Loved her curves.

Was your last trip to Germany / Atmos a recent one? Would def go to Atmos to meet her again.

Seems like we share similar taste. I've met Lilia several times too (Blonde German chick always standing right behind the main bar). Splendid performer and really nice girl. Lilia, Carrie and Elena my all-time Artemis faves.

So managed to get to Artemis today. Arrived (for first of two visits in one day) 3 pm. On arrival to the right of the entrance someone checks your ID (passport / drivers licence. Needs to be photo ID). You fill in a form with you name, email and mobile and there is a space at the bottom of the form which you have to hand in when you leave to say which girls you went to the room with.

You get a rubber band which you return when you are leaving. I totally did not understand this or what it was for. Not least as the receptionist still tags you with another one which you don’t return.

Into the club, sanitiser stations everywhere. Masks must be worn when walking around, or to the rooms, but not when seated on a sofa (which struck me as the most stupid rule of all time! Does the virus only attack when you are walking?) Crazy. Many guys did not wear masks or dropped them beneath their chins defeating the object.

No stools at the bar but the same old plastic drinks token for 10 e still works the same and you can approach the bar to order drinks but cannot stand at the bar. Still no wine for sale (have been asking for 8 years!).

But hey. It's almost "normal". Gym. Open - check. Sanitiser stations and spray disinfectant to use on weights when you are done. Great. Pool. Open - check. Obviously no mask when in the pool. However no real point in going in it - girls do not spend time walking around it as this would require wearing a mask (whilst walking). Wam day so spent 30 minutes there but no other people at all. Which was quite nice! Professional massage is open and possible! Hammam closed. Sauna open.

Most of the girls stay on the sofas. 90 e entry and 70 e for 30 minutes but a LOT of the girls are now asking an extra 20 for BBBJ. I suspect some do not but 6 I spoke to did. So a standard room without extras was 160e for one hour. I’m sure some of the less pretty girls will avoid the extra 20 for BBBJ. I haven’t been for months so wanted to party so didn’t even argue with it!

LU before 5 was very limited indeed. There were some options but I didn't bother as I knew I would return after a business meeting I had to leave to go to.

Upon return (9 pm) there as a queue outside of about 8 guys. They are heavily restricting the number inside. Despite my protests that I was returning so should not have to queue, they insisted I did and fill out a new track and trace form. So 30 minutes to gain entry.

LU was improved in the evening. Still some familiar faces (greeted by no less than 8 girls who recalled past sessions!) but the numbers are far lower than normal. For the benefit of the Cane: your fav German blonde Lillia was there. Overall I was very happy. Firstly that FKKs are back open (for now) and secondly that there were a reasonable number of slim, attractive young girls without a lot of silicone and tattoos. After nearly choosing intelligent Lydia blonde Ro (quite pretty and great personality), ended up being wowed by a slim brunette who came down from a room. Nana. German, tall, dark, looks slightly like UK singer Leona Lewis. Same hair. Fabulous time in the room with her and didn't take a second room. Kitchen is now food by order not self service but it was far better than normal!

The bar area is far less crowded, very few smoking (though it is allowed) and the music is not so loud. Fabulous!

Had a great time, likely to revisit later this week.

In many respects it is better than normal! Just the number of girls being down doesn’t feel right.

I cannot tell you how good it felt to be back. The restrictions in place are not strict. But they are trying. Every girl is Covid tested every week. Not great if their next punter has it but again - all part of the effort. Most girls I spoke to said they really fear a second lockdown and club closure and several commented that they would not return if that happens but would work privately. Interesting.

Great to be amongst so many naked / semi naked woman again!

Brilliant report, Mr Pay For It.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2486045]Thanks. But you should try staying at the Hotel Aspria in Charlottenburg. Fantastic gym, huge pool and spa.[/QUOTE]Right, it looks nice, but it seems more on kudamn? I tend to like easier access to station though, but the hotel looks nice! It is good you enjoyed artemis experience once again and haha upsell culture spread to the management and used covid19 as price increase LOL You know with such price increase and upsell on top of that by girls, they should offer similar service in room as globe zurich as price is getting into similar range soon or later!

[QUOTE=Rambambinoz;2486113]So that's why people lurk by the stairs! I always thought they were just escaping the smoke!

I was thinking of going this weekend, but now unfortunately looks like it will rain.[/QUOTE]For me both, but more importance on lighting, so there is no negative surprise in room when I am up close with her!

I love staying outside area of Artemis after my day is done and look up to sky at night outside on bed feeling accomplished! It is feeling alive moment of silence! Many memories at that venue!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2486198]Brilliant report, Mr Pay For It.

Thank you![/QUOTE]I'll second that.

Thank you Mr Pay for it.

EL: sorry but there is no garden in Artemis and you are just relaxing between walls not horizontal view possible, for me a ugly and terrible place compare to GT, World, or even Shark outside premises.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2486206]For me both, but more importance on lighting, so there is no negative surprise in room when I am up close with her!

I love staying outside area of Artemis after my day is done and look up to sky at night outside on bed feeling accomplished! It is feeling alive moment of silence! Many memories at that venue![/QUOTE]Good point! When I see an attractive girl in good light, I try to note what shoes she is wearing. I've been on nights when some girls look so similar to each other especially in a dark lounge, it's difficult to tell which one caught my attention initially.

Yes, think we all have that same awesome memory being outside resting at night in the summer after some great shagging!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2486195]I cannot tell you how good it felt to be back. The restrictions in place are not strict. But they are trying. Every girl is Covid tested every week. Not great if their next punter has it but again - all part of the effort. Most girls I spoke to said they really fear a second lockdown and club closure and several commented that they would not return if that happens but would work privately. Interesting.

Great to be amongst so many naked / semi naked woman again![/QUOTE]Great report, thanks! This is making want to go this week! I met another girl called Bernadette at Artemis who looked like Leona Lewis, but she was Brazilian. Glad you had a good time!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486283]EL: sorry but there is no garden in Artemis and you are just relaxing between walls not horizontal view possible, for me a ugly and terrible place compare to GT, World, or even Shark outside premises.[/QUOTE]Hey. To each his own. In "normal" times, I agree that the outdoors of Artemis cannot compete with (1) World (2) Oase (3) Sharks. Cannot comment on GT as never been and I believe now it is closed forever? But these are not "normal" times and being at the pool at ANY FKK which his open, with naked girls, is just fabulous. Not ugly. Truly wonderful. None of us know when this virus might get us / kill us. Live and let live and make every day count. And when those days involve a lot of naked ladies, sunshine, great sex then nothing is ugly my friend!

[QUOTE=Rambambinoz;2486443]Good point! When I see an attractive girl in good light, I try to note what shoes she is wearing. I've been on nights when some girls look so similar to each other especially in a dark lounge, it's difficult to tell which one caught my attention initially.

Yes, think we all have that same awesome memory being outside resting at night in the summer after some great shagging![/QUOTE]Yeah I love spending time in outside during summer night when my day at artemis is over and about to head back to hotel! It is memorable to look at night sky and think about whatta amazing day I had and connect with nature!

Hey,

To each his own. In "normal" times, I agree that the outdoors of Artemis cannot compete with (1) World (2) Oase (3) Sharks. Cannot comment on GT as never been and I believe now it is closed forever? But these are not "normal" times and being at the pool at any FKK which his open, with naked girls, is just fabulous. Not ugly. Truly wonderful. None of us know when this virus might get us / kill us. Live and let live and make every day count. And when those days involve a lot of naked ladies, sunshine, great sex then nothing is ugly my friend!

EL: sea, sex, and sun, without sea, and sun and with paid sex: If you are keeping real social distancing, no smoking, having a good health, no chronic diseases, not overweight. The risks are quite low that you will die from the covid, now if you visit restaurants, bars, prostitutes. You are increasing the risk also I don't believe it is safe to take a plane and probably the planes from today will not allowed to fly in 10 years, they will have to rebuild all the filtering of the air.

Indeed, that's a good report by Payforit!

Just what the forum needs right now. Emphasis on how the covid is affecting the various clubs from inside the clubs.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2486572]EL: sea, sex, and sun, without sea, and sun and with paid sex: If you are keeping real social distancing, no smoking, having a good health, no chronic diseases, not overweight. The risks are quite low that you will die from the covid, now if you visit restaurants, bars, prostitutes. You are increasing the risk also I don't believe it is safe to take a plane and probably the planes from today will not allowed to fly in 10 years, they will have to rebuild all the filtering of the air.[/QUOTE]This is precisely why I started my post with "to each their own". It is a personal choice whether to take risks or not. Some will decide not to. I am happy for them. Others, like me, will take calculated risks. I do not agree that it is not safe to take a plane. I have taken 18 planes since the pandemic started. Risks are minimised but not completely eradicated. Driving has a risk. You can have an accident and die. It does not mean you don't drive. The accident can happen when it is entirely not your fault. Again - like covid. An infected person may have done nothing wrong. If you lock yourself away, see nobody, go nowhere, etc. You seriously minimise risk to yourself and others. But that was also the point of my post. I don't want to lock myself away (unless the law says I must). If I got the virus I would isolate. I sanitise a lot. I wear masks in most places. For sex not! I am taking more risks than someone who stays indoors. But the driver of a car takes a risk every journey. In my life I want journeys not self-isolation. And journeys to FKKs are some of the best there are!

Planes today have a much better air filter system than you would think. Of course there are risks with flying. The same way as there are risks in anything you do.

I'm now fully looking forward to my visit to Artemis this weekend, despite all the risks. I've made the call for myself (I live alone) and can't wait to see what it's all about.

So to the end of my short FKK land excursion. First night was in Artemis (Tuesday and was fairly quiet). Two nights in Harmony Hamburg (thanks to Babylon being almost dead) and back to Artemis tonight. Friday night and it was very significantly busier. It was not much different from a "normal" non-covid night and whilst there no waits for rooms there were frequently only one or two keys left.

Great atmosphere. The food has really improved. Did an hour in the gym. Downstairs pool is much improved and the water very blue!

Three sessions today / tonight. First up. Cassandra. Moldovan. Face 6/10, body 7/10 service 9/10 lovely girl. Works hard and would repeat. Second girl, after a lot of thinking about it, Alice. Enormous Dee cups. Natural. Face 7/10, body 6/10 (a little heavy for me but very Columbian like though she is actually (genuinely Turkish)) - service 8/10 - spoilt a little by attempts to upsell but she knows what she is doing and would be a great girl to have 2 hours with. I didn't do that as I really wanted on Tuesday to session with Krina / Carina. Brunette - not sure if Romanian or Moldavian but Face 9/10 (beautiful), long brunette, body 8/10, service 10/10. Fabulous looking girl, great lingerie, terrific attitude and not a hint of upsell. Had it not been my last night with an early flight tomorrow I would happily have had 2 hours with her.

All in all a great trip. The form filling is a bit of a joke. Sanitiser everywhere. Nothing (other than Hammam) is closed. Had two great nights at Artemis. Whilst the LU is not spectacular (has it ever been? It is far from poor and there are at least 10 girls most guys would be happy to session with. One girl (Raisa?) stunning brunette Romanian. Barely got her butt on the sofas. In and out of the rooms for 6 hours. Propositioned me but I decided against despite her stunning looks as girls who know the next punter is waiting rarely provide great service. And her looks meant there was a veritable queue. Left the club 12.45 pm with a large queue of guys waiting to get in. You would barely know there was any pandemic if you went to Artemis tonight and you know what. Whether it was a bit reckless or not. It was fantastic to escape it (or at leats feel like that - despite the masks) even if just for a while.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487217]So to the end of my short FKK land excursion. First night was in Artemis (Tuesday and was fairly quiet). Two nights in Harmony Hamburg (thanks to Babylon being almost dead) and back to Artemis tonight. Friday night and it was very significantly busier. It was not much different from a "normal" non-covid night and whilst there no waits for rooms there were frequently only one or two keys left.

Great atmosphere. The food has really improved. Did an hour in the gym. Downstairs pool is much improved and the water very blue!

Three sessions today / tonight. First up. Cassandra. Moldovan. Face 6/10, body 7/10 service 9/10 lovely girl. Works hard and would repeat. Second girl, after a lot of thinking about it, Alice. Enormous Dee cups. Natural. Face 7/10, body 6/10 (a little heavy for me but very Columbian like though she is actually (genuinely Turkish)) - service 8/10 - spoilt a little by attempts to upsell but she knows what she is doing and would be a great girl to have 2 hours with. I didn't do that as I really wanted on Tuesday to session with Krina / Carina. Brunette - not sure if Romanian or Moldavian but Face 9/10 (beautiful), long brunette, body 8/10, service 10/10. Fabulous looking girl, great lingerie, terrific attitude and not a hint of upsell. Had it not been my last night with an early flight tomorrow I would happily have had 2 hours with her.[/QUOTE]I wonder if the brunette Romanian "Raissa" might be the same one I fell in love with at Samya? So beautiful! These girls do move around. Well, probably no way for you to know at this point. Thanks for the reports!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487217]So to the end of my short FKK land excursion. First night was in Artemis (Tuesday and was fairly quiet). Two nights in Harmony Hamburg (thanks to Babylon being almost dead) and back to Artemis tonight. Friday night and it was very significantly busier. It was not much different from a "normal" non-covid night and whilst there no waits for rooms there were frequently only one or two keys left.

Great atmosphere. The food has really improved. Did an hour in the gym. Downstairs pool is much improved and the water very blue!

Three sessions today / tonight. First up. Cassandra. Moldovan. Face 6/10, body 7/10 service 9/10 lovely girl. Works hard and would repeat. Second girl, after a lot of thinking about it, Alice. Enormous Dee cups. Natural. Face 7/10, body 6/10 (a little heavy for me but very Columbian like though she is actually (genuinely Turkish)) - service 8/10 - spoilt a little by attempts to upsell but she knows what she is doing and would be a great girl to have 2 hours with. I didn't do that as I really wanted on Tuesday to session with Krina / Carina. Brunette - not sure if Romanian or Moldavian but Face 9/10 (beautiful), long brunette, body 8/10, service 10/10. Fabulous looking girl, great lingerie, terrific attitude and not a hint of upsell. Had it not been my last night with an early flight tomorrow I would happily have had 2 hours with her.

All in all a great trip. The form filling is a bit of a joke. Sanitiser everywhere. Nothing (other than Hammam) is closed. Had two great nights at Artemis. Whilst the LU is not spectacular (has it ever been? It is far from poor and there are at least 10 girls most guys would be happy to session with. One girl (Raisa?) stunning brunette Romanian. Barely got her butt on the sofas. In and out of the rooms for 6 hours. Propositioned me but I decided against despite her stunning looks as girls who know the next punter is waiting rarely provide great service. And her looks meant there was a veritable queue. Left the club 12.45 pm with a large queue of guys waiting to get in. You would barely know there was any pandemic if you went to Artemis tonight and you know what. Whether it was a bit reckless or not. It was fantastic to escape it (or at leats feel like that - despite the masks) even if just for a while.[/QUOTE]Glad you had a good time!

Until I go myself, I'm just going to have endless sleepless nights fantasising about all the hoes I've fucked there and wondering which ones are there right now. FFS!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487224]I wonder if the brunette Romanian "Raissa" might be the same one I fell in love with at Samya? So beautiful! These girls do move around. Well, probably no way for you to know at this point. Thanks for the reports![/QUOTE]If her name really was Raissa at Artemis, then she is Bulgarian and not romanian as Payforit claimed. She is a beautiful brunette. Especially her face is gorgeous if you ask me. At one point in time she was blonde also, and I felt that too fit her very well. But maybe she figured she is great looking as a brunette also, so stopped coloring it. She was at Oceans for about 3 years or so before moving to Artemis. If she tested out Samya for a week perhaps, I do not know. But she was a regular at Oceans and one of their staple girls there for a long time.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487224]I wonder if the brunette Romanian "Raissa" might be the same one I fell in love with at Samya? So beautiful! These girls do move around. Well, probably no way for you to know at this point. Thanks for the reports![/QUOTE]So many Raïssa in FKK land. Never noticed at Samya.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2487224]I wonder if the brunette Romanian "Raissa" might be the same one I fell in love with at Samya? So beautiful! These girls do move around. Well, probably no way for you to know at this point. Thanks for the reports![/QUOTE]The 'beauty Raissa' is not the same as the one in Samya. The one in Artemis can be quite a mean cat (the right word is not allowed). When Artemis was in full swing she had little work to do. I value the report of PayForIt but the fact that Raissa is busy is quite useful info. Artemis girls seem to have that rap more often. Avril has been in and out of the focus of the pack of punters. To each his own. Or maybe Raissa has changed her ways. Let's hope for the best.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487217]Left the club 12.45 pm with a large queue of guys waiting to get in. You would barely know there was any pandemic if you went to Artemis tonight and you know what. Whether it was a bit reckless or not[/QUOTE]Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborn between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is receipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.

Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborne between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is recipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.

EL: fully online with you, I would like to do some inquiry concerning the guys queuing, what are they thinking about. Today Germany has the highest infections since April, cases are also skyrocketing in Roumania where 95% of the girls are coming from, but nothing can stop the guys, I am more and more disappointed about the human beings.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2487370]Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborn between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is receipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.[/QUOTE]This is ridiculous, you can stay at home wasting your life while the rest of us are living life. A wise man once said: "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep. " Or as another wise man wrote: "I'd rather die standing up than live life on my knees". Amen!

Beginning to think I'm cursed.

Was turned away due to my temperature. This despite me feeling fine and displaying no symptoms.

I know it's a precaution. Just glad I didn't make a special trip to Berlin.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2487326]So many Rassa in FKK land. Never noticed at Samya.[/QUOTE]Along with Maggie and Emmanuela, Raissa moved from Oceans to Artemis nearly 2 years ago. And the kept their names in both clubs.

As a side note to McA: I believe you told me once that Palace Maggie had moved to Artemis. But its Oceans Maggie. As I met the three at Artemis last fall. Palace Maggie is still at Palace. Or at least she was last fall. No idea now due to corona and hessen still being closed.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;2487460]PdP. Don't need help, thanks. Appreciate ExPat comments. Shoobree - did not realize that going to Artemis is really living life, but good to know. Ninja try one time more only to offer reasons why this not political freedom issue.

German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. Numbers up everywhere in EU. Yes for moment mostly young people, and treatment getting better so death rates holding. In certain cities already ITC / ICU beds under stress. Young people also meet older people, and in any case there are lags after spikes. Look at USA, Spain, French, Swiss, UK data last 3 weeks. And we just now begin cold weather. Plus people now going to FKK on both sides know risks are much higher than normal. It means both mongers and girls are by nature higher risk takers, which makes situation even riskier. Berlin Senate meets next Tues to debate whether tightening needed. Bars, restaurants, and no doubt bordellos will be discussed.

Just wanted to inject realism into "whoopy, back to fucking" reports. Pandemic is different; not just you make your choice for yourself and then you alone reap consequences. Choice is individual; consequence is social. And of course when shit hits fan, everyone expects "criminal" governments to step up and pick up pieces and inject massive bailouts to protect jobs and health system and fund vaccine development.

Ninja really miss the good old days. Many great times at A. Many friends there. Just now is not the time. Maybe with proven vaccine, next summer..[/QUOTE]Funny that you hang around this site if going to clubs as Artemis isn't a part of life that you enjoy. You might be in the wrong forum. It seems to me that most things would be forbidden if you scaredy-cats had it your way.

I don't know if you've noticed, but you have the bad habit of referring to yourself in third person, it's extremely annoying.

Anyways, I don't want my obituary to say that I "lived" in quarantine from 2020 to my death. That would be pathetic. I've got nothing to fear from this virus. I won't waste my life.

[QUOTE=SimonSays911;2487481]Beginning to think I'm cursed.

Was turned away due to my temperature. This despite me feeling fine and displaying no symptoms.

I know it's a precaution. Just glad I didn't make a special trip to Berlin.[/QUOTE]*shudder* imagine making the trip from another country and having this happen!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2487424]This is ridiculous, you can stay at home wasting your life while the rest of us are living life. A wise man once said: "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep. " Or as another wise man wrote: "I'd rather die standing up than live life on my knees". Amen![/QUOTE]Don't know about that wise man, I don't mind being on my knees all my life banging chicks in a doggie, LOL. Especially if I can smack that ass a little every few minutes haha.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2487407]Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborne between 30-120 min. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.

EL: fully online with you, I would like to do some inquiry concerning the guys queuing, what are they thinking about. Today Germany has the highest infections since April, cases are also skyrocketing in Roumania where 95% of the girls are coming from, but nothing can stop the guys, I am more and more disappointed about the human beings.[/QUOTE]As I have stated previously: to each their own. I fully respect the guys who say they will stay away whilst the virus is running wild in society. I have a slightly different viewpoint. I want to live my life to the full. I'm not prepared to put it on hold if I do not need to. And I consider I do not need to. So my big head rather than small head made this decision. There are other options if it was just small head. Escort one to one = easy. I didn't want that. I like to be amongst 60+ naked or near naked women. I'm glad FKKs are open.

C19 numbers are not going up (just or at all) because of FKKs. They go up when there is any form of social interaction. Teenagers have parties - 100's of people. Numbers increase. Are they more entitled to life their lives than me? If I choose to stay indoors to keep safe and my children in their early 20's come home and give me the virus is that fair? Shall we all just remain locked up for 5 years hoping it will go away? it will be there waiting for us!

The queues outside Artemis are there for a reason: there are a lot of people with the same mindset as me. Guys who want to live my life to the full whilst they have it - not knowing in these uncertain times how long that will be. In the unfortunate event I get the virus (for a second time. I had it in March 2020) in the next six months and die, I will forever be happy that I didn't waste my final days indoors frightened to go out and scared of my own shadow. Since the pandemic began I have been to 8 different countries. I have enjoyed every trip. More business than pleasure but happy to be travelling. There are many more illnesses killing far more people than this virus. We have become obsessed with it.

If you consider it depressing to read reports from people who DO want to enjoy mongering at the moment, may I respectfully suggest you don't read them! Do what makes you happy. If that's staying at home and staying away from mongering exploits to stay 100% safe, that is your choice. But attending Artemis, Harmony, (and others) and seeing, then having sex with pretty young girls and enjoying their bodies is very much my choice. I don't force them to be there. They are all saying they are worried about a second closure. They WANT and need to work. I want to assist them in doing so! It's mutually beneficial.

As a precaution only, I volunteered to get tested at the airport on the return home. Happily negative again. Maybe I just got lucky. But you are as likely to get the virus in a McDonalds as you are in an FKK. Berlin airport (soon to be Brandenburg) was absolutely packed with thousands of people. The line queuing for security was long. Not a hint of social distancing in sight. Again, as likely to be infected there as in an FKK.

So let's agree to leave each person to make their own life choices. If mine kill me earlier than they should have done that's for me. If I visit an environment where everyone else chose to visit I am not killing others. They made the same choice. And for everyone who decided against going, and who remains indoors, they have no risk of catching anything from me as they have self-isolated and protected themselves. Good luck to them - I am happy they have peace of mind.

These are not easy times, and the truth is that the supposed might of the world's scientific brilliance has failed us. We don't know if masks 100% work or not (why not?) We don't know how long you get immunity for if you had covid (why not?) We don't know when there will be a successful vaccine (why not?) We don't know for sure if you can be re-infected or what that actually means (why not?) Amidst so much confusion and lack of definitive scientific knowledge, all we can do is try to balance our choices. I sanitise a lot, I wear a mask (no idea if it helps but I'm willing to hope), but I am not giving my life up to Covid unless it takes it from me. I am a responsible human being. When I got the virus I isolated completely for 21 days to make 100% sure I didn't infect anyone else. But I also like my pleasures in life. And during these troubling times, I want to make sure I get the most out of whatever time I have left: be that a lot, or a little.

I also think it helps mentally to "escape" for a bit. And for the hours I was in Artemis, other than the masks, I actually felt I had returned to normal life for a bit on Friday night.

Keep safe, but have fun my fellow forum members - however you choose to create that fun.

Mister PayForit: imagine that one of your close family member (parent, grand parent.) catches the Covid from a guy who just spend 5 days in FKK, that he / she is getting seriously sick (even worse) what will be your opinion? I am just sticking that during this terrible time for so many people, we mongers have also to give a positive example by just stopping to visit prostitutes, not just thinking about our little friend (dick) but to the global community.

[QUOTE=SimonSays911;2487481]Beginning to think I'm cursed.

Was turned away due to my temperature. This despite me feeling fine and displaying no symptoms.

I know it's a precaution. Just glad I didn't make a special trip to Berlin.[/QUOTE]How high temperature? To get refused. I remember at Sharks on 14 March, with I think 35.7, they thought their thermometer didn't work, when just normal when cold weather. On intense effort under heat, when you lose body water, then your body temperature go higher and you lose strength with muscles becoming harder and heart also working harder.

Thanks PFI for a few really good reports as usual, oh god I miss Artemis!

Will be back ay CDS next week so let's see what's happening at E92.

PumDiPum. Totally agree with your opinions.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487217]The form filling is a bit of a joke.[/QUOTE]So after a session you head down to the reception and notify them of who you sessioned with?

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2487650]So after a session you head down to the reception and notify them of who you sessioned with?[/QUOTE]No. Not after the session. You get a form when you enter. You must complete it with your name and number. You then have to tell the guy on the door which girls you went to a room with. So no excuses for ISG members to report and not remember the names of girls!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2487772]No. Not after the session. You get a form when you enter. You must complete it with your name and number. You then have to tell the guy on the door which girls you went to a room with. So no excuses for ISG members to report and not remember the names of girls![/QUOTE]I ask girls name in FKK, but I still forget most of their names LOL It is fake names anyways LOL.

I guess it is to call you if the girls get infected after your visit to her pussy etc.

It is good system to keep the service quality actually if Artemis management care about service in room!