Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572932]How you spend your money is your business. I've tipped girls 20 mil and they were happy, but I live in Colombia so I don't think in terms of dollars. I think I read that the average salary in Colombia is somewhere around $41 a day, to put things in the USA / Gringo perspective. Maybe someone has a better source as even that sounds a little high??

[URL]http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=47&loctype=1[/URL][/QUOTE]41 usd a day?? No way! 60 percent of Colombians are earning the minimum wage which is now up to around 900 cop a month, up quite considerably from the 650 a few years back. At todays number the majority of Colombians are earning about 10 buck a day. If you add in the ricos payday, you will get a distorted view of the average pay the everyday worker receives in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2570586]Space aka No Name have always been there. More hip hop / reggaetand music and average girls.

They won't try to hit you in the head with gringo prices but its cool. You get a table, order a bottle plus mixer. Pick out the girls you want, invite them to your table to drink then bring them back to your AirBB for the night. The only downside is that you may have some American Gringos in the VIP peacocking and all the girls are grouped up around the VIP trying to get in while ignoring everyone else. I usually take the table in the back far side by the bathroom so I can see the girls as they come in or go to the bathroom and pick them off as I see fit. They won't try to over charge you at Space which is why I like it.

Dolce Vita a little more Latin flavor. Every time I've been there there were little to no dark skin girls in there. Mostly all local girls and local guys. The girls usually pay attention to the type of wristbands the guy at the door puts on you as it lets the girls know if you are a baller or not. I usually tell them give me the regular band to avoid the gringo prices from the chicas. I don't even get a table, I go straight to the bar, order a drink and see what girls I like. If I don't see anything I like by the time I finish my drink I leave and go hang out at the Exito in front of Delirium. And wait for the girls to come out who didn't get a customer and get them for the normal price for the night.

Delirium is a total shit show. Way too small and way too packed, too many hookahs, you step in and by the time you step out the smoke smell in all in your clothes and hair. As soon as you step in its like you are walking into a NBA / NFL locker room, filled with black guys upstairs and downstairs. This place have the most girls but that's because the light skin girls know that the black guys will pay whatever they ask to be with a light skin girl which is why I avoid that place. I refuse to pay 800 mil la noche for a girl from Delirium due to the color of my skin when I can grab something around the corner at Space for 500 mil la noche.

All in all I prefer Space. Those steps can be challenging after a few bottles though. I usually hit the bouncer at the door with 20 mil when ever I go there. Little chubby guy. One warning, is never use your card here, always pay in cash and never expect change. Again, never expect change.

Live it up! Ill be coming back soon for a months stay.[/QUOTE]Damn, good info. I'm thinking about hitting CTG soon for a few days. Never been to these spots. I cringe at the thought of some of what you described, but I would be willing to check it out to see what the talent looks like. Sounds like CTG is becoming the new Sosua LOL.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2572935]41 usd a day?? No way! 60 percent of Colombians are earning the minimum wage which is now up to around 900 cop a month, up quite considerably from the 650 a few years back. At todays number the majority of Colombians are earning about 10 buck a day. If you add in the ricos payday, you will get a distorted view of the average pay the everyday worker receives in Colombia.[/QUOTE]LL is correct. 900 k COP is what the typical Colombian earns a month. Which is about $240 a month. And don't let the term "minimum" fool you. This is what a large percentage of the populace makes and there are plenty who make less. So literally about $10/ day.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2572935]41 usd a day?? No way! 60 percent of Colombians are earning the minimum wage which is now up to around 900 cop a month, up quite considerably from the 650 a few years back. At todays number the majority of Colombians are earning about 10 buck a day. If you add in the ricos payday, you will get a distorted view of the average pay the everyday worker receives in Colombia.[/QUOTE]OK, that sounds more realistic. I thought $41 was high. $10 sounds more in line with what I see here in Medellin. This is why it is important to understand the local economy and not think in terms of the Gringo economy. Like I said, I've tipped babes 10 - 20 mil and they were happy.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572941]Damn, good info. I'm thinking about hitting CTG soon for a few days. Never been to these spots. I cringe at the thought of some of what you described, but I would be willing to check it out to see what the talent looks like. Sounds like CTG is becoming the new Sosua LOL.[/QUOTE]Sad to say yes, its slowly changing to Sosua the more the government put in restrictions to to stop the street walkers and foreigners are injecting millions into real-estate in that area as well. I'm surprised that I have not seen any YouTube Drama in CTG yet from these amateur Sosua gringos who are loud mouths, throwing cash in the air, overpaying, flashing money, etc.

But I suggest you check it out, not just for the chicas as there are many things to do in CTG besides the chicas. The daytime activities such as tours or photo scenery opportunities alone more than makes up for not getting a TLN every night. Your experience maybe different than mine or anyone one else on here but that's what makes this board great of sharing experiences and tips of where to go, where the ATMs are, where are there currency exchange places open late in Centro, etc.

And remember, have fun!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572944]OK, that sounds more realistic. I thought $41 was high. $10 sounds more in line with what I see here in Medellin. This is why it is important to understand the local economy and not think in terms of the Gringo economy. Like I said, I've tipped babes 10 - 20 mil and they were happy.[/QUOTE]Minimum wage in the USA is $7. 25-$15 an hour. A hot young hooker in the US makes $400-$1,000 an hour. They don't work for minimum wage. I've got better use of my time when on vacation than to haggle with poor hookers over $14, less than what I pay for a glass of wine in a restaurant at home. Yes I will throw out a lower number but if it is not accepted without hesitation I just pay the puny amount. I don't want to risk poor service over hard feelings, I want it to be full GFE which it usually with me. And I will tip them if its a great experience. I think of it as charity to the third world.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2572944]OK, that sounds more realistic. I thought $41 was high. $10 sounds more in line with what I see here in Medellin. This is why it is important to understand the local economy and not think in terms of the Gringo economy. Like I said, I've tipped babes 10 - 20 mil and they were happy.[/QUOTE]Jaja that's less than 3 dollars, that's a good tip for an hotel employee for some special services but for a hot session from a Colombiana hermosa it's a little low. But always remember the hombre is the El Rey and always maintain that status, and they will respect you more.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573048]Minimum wage in the USA is $7. 25-$15 an hour. A hot young hooker in the US makes $400-$1,000 an hour. They don't work for minimum wage. I've got better use of my time when on vacation than to haggle with poor hookers over $14, less than what I pay for a glass of wine in a restaurant at home. Yes I will throw out a lower number but if it is not accepted without hesitation I just pay the puny amount. I don't want to risk poor service over hard feelings, I want it to be full GFE which it usually with me. And I will tip them if its a great experience. I think of it as charity to the third world.[/QUOTE]Your description of gringa working girls is the exact reason I don't session in the states and haven't for quite a few years now. Seems to me the states availability has shrunk down to 2 choices, a crude tatted up stripper or a frumpy LL Bean type which neither of which do I care to partake.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573048]Minimum wage in the USA is $7. 25-$15 an hour. A hot young hooker in the US makes $400-$1,000 an hour. They don't work for minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Of course, not every young and hot hooker in the US can make $400-1,000 an hour, but you're actually making a good point that we often overlook. Hookers all over the world work for much more than a minimum wage. On the other hand, it needs to be remembered that they don't get an hourly rate. They might get one or two clients a day, or, sometimes, none at all.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573048]Minimum wage in the USA is $7. 25-$15 an hour. A hot young hooker in the US makes $400-$1,000 an hour. They don't work for minimum wage. I've got better use of my time when on vacation than to haggle with poor hookers over $14, less than what I pay for a glass of wine in a restaurant at home. Yes I will throw out a lower number but if it is not accepted without hesitation I just pay the puny amount. I don't want to risk poor service over hard feelings, I want it to be full GFE which it usually with me. And I will tip them if its a great experience. I think of it as charity to the third world.[/QUOTE]Like I said, how you spend you money is your business. I never knock someone about their budget. Just saying I typically tip 10 - 20 mil and never got any complaints.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2573053]But always remember the hombre is the El Rey and always maintain that status, and they will respect you more.[/QUOTE]That goes without saying. I'm usually about good conversation and establishing a rapport. If a chica provides good service or is something special, I'll get her WhatsApp. 10 mil is a meal for these chicas is how I view it. I don't think of things in dollars.

True story. I told my insurance agent that I often pay my cleaning lady between 40-45 mil. He asked me 1,000 questions about how big is my apartment, does that include ironing, cooking, etc. I got the sense that he felt like I was overpaying. It typically takes about 6 hours to clean my place. But that gave me some insight into how Colombians think about the value of the peso when paying for services.

I understand though when gringos are on vaca and think of things in dollars and what the same thing might cost in the USA. I find putang to be extremely cheap here, even for Colombians, but most things cost more for tourists.

About a month ago a really pretty chica with big tits and ass charged me 30 mil in Medellin. I had to ask her twice because the value seemed to far exceed the cost. The session was fantastic. Ass was an incredible cushion. I gave her the 30 mil, which included the room. And she was happy.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573112]Like I said, how you spend you money is your business. I never knock someone about their budget. Just saying I typically tip 10 - 20 mil and never got any complaints.[/QUOTE]Well I would say that it all depends on what you are fucking. In Columbia I'm only interested in 9's and 10's.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2573053]Jaja that's less than 3 dollars, that's a good tip for an hotel employee for some special services but for a hot session from a Colombiana hermosa it's a little low. [/QUOTE]Well that is $3 more than I give them, and like him, I have not gotten any complaints either.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573114]I understand though when gringos are on vaca and think of things in dollars and what the same thing might cost in the USA. I find putang to be extremely cheap here, even for Colombians, but most things cost more for tourists.[/QUOTE]I like to keep things in perspective as well. Today I paid 114,000 pesos ($30) for a 2 hour ride from Barranquilla to Santa Marta. How much would that cost where you are from? Since I am from Atlanta, I put the 2 hour ride to Birmingham, Alabama into Uber and it came back with $180.

Who all is itching to pay more for the ride that I took today because a similar ride where they are from costs 6 times more? Maybe I could have met the guy in the middle paying $90; 3 times what it really costs and only half what it would cost back home. Is that a good practice? Because it sounds fucking stupid to me.

You could not get away going to a more expensive place and telling them it is cheaper at home so you will pay less, so why go to a cheaper place and pay more based on home? Home has shit to do with anything when you are abroad. If the exchange rate was half of what it is now like it was my first time in Cartagena (what 10 years ago?) I doubt this would even be a discussion.

P. S. I am usually in the van or bus for 30,000 pesos on this route. This was my first time taking a ride share because of the exchange rate. If the rate changed back, I could always go back to a bus or van (I will be taking one Sunday anyway when I leave here), but those chicks y'all have trained to take 250,000 pesos ain't going back to 125,000.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573139]Well I would say that it all depends on what you are fucking. In Columbia I'm only interested in 9's and 10's.[/QUOTE]Naw, it depends on who you are, how you carry yourself, and how you relate to the people you are dealing with. I'm in Colombia, not Columbia. I live in Colombia so my perspective may be different. I see dimes every day in Medellin so it ain't no biggie. I would hope most dudes here are interested in quality, however they define that.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573251]Naw, it depends on who you are, how you carry yourself, and how you relate to the people you are dealing with. I'm in Colombia, not Columbia. I live in Colombia so my perspective may be different. I see dimes every day in Medellin so it ain't no biggie. I would hope most dudes here are interested in quality, however they define that.[/QUOTE]So a 5 costs the same as a dime for you and you tip the dimes 10 mil or $2. 70 US?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573366]So a 5 costs the same as a dime for you and you tip the dimes 10 mil or $2. 70 US?[/QUOTE]Beauty is subjective. You know how many pictures on here that I have seen of someone bragging of some 10 they have fucked but to me looked like a 2, and I am sure it has been the same for some chicks I have posted.

Why do you have it in your head that you not only must give extra money, but must give a lot extra if the girl looks really good to you? You pay the price that you negotiate. There is no need to give tips because you fucked the girl. Yesterday when I caught a taxi I did not give extra. Today when I ate at a restaurant I did not give extra (service charge already included on most bills). For the condo I am staying in I did not give extra. Why give extra for fucking someone?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573412]Beauty is subjective. You know how many pictures on here that I have seen of someone bragging of some 10 they have fucked but to me looked like a 2, and I am sure it has been the same for some chicks I have posted.

Why do you have it in your head that you not only must give extra money, but must give a lot extra if the girl looks really good to you? You pay the price that you negotiate. There is no need to give tips because you fucked the girl. Yesterday when I caught a taxi I did not give extra. Today when I ate at a restaurant I did not give extra (service charge already included on most bills). For the condo I am staying in I did not give extra. Why give extra for fucking someone?[/QUOTE]Spot on!

Different mongers different tastes and they pay what they want depending on their budget and negotiating skills. I've travelled with mongers in the past who only wanted light skin girls because they don't get attention from light skin girls state side, same with mongers who only wanted big girls. The problem that I personally have with this is that when those gringos who look similar to me overpays, the chica gets it in her head that she is now worth this high price from those similar looking gringos. I've walked away from so many potential new chica connects because of this.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573251]Naw, it depends on who you are, how you carry yourself, and how you relate to the people you are dealing with. I'm in Colombia, not Columbia. I live in Colombia so my perspective may be different. I see dimes every day in Medellin so it ain't no biggie. I would hope most dudes here are interested in quality, however they define that.[/QUOTE]Exactly! The Sosua Effect.

Gringos travel to third world countries or developing countries and start getting attention from a exotic women that they don't get in their home country. So to them everything is new and shiny. But after seeing how common the exotic look among the women are it will be the same as going into the grocery store and picking up sliced bread. Grab a loaf, look at the sell by date and its in the shopping kart jajaja.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573139]Well I would say that it all depends on what you are fucking. In Columbia I'm only interested in 9's and 10's.[/QUOTE]9's and 10's are personal internal choices of beauty standards for your individual experience.

Some mongers like big women, to them 113 Kilos is sexy VS some mongers like women that are so skinny they look like boys that haven't eaten in years.

Some mongers like the darker wet look VS some mongers like the light skin only.

Some mongers like dark wet looking hair VS some mongers only like blonde even though its bleached jajaja.

Some mongers like virgin skin no tatts VS some are opposite who thinks a girl that look like a walking wall of graffiti is sexy.

Some mongers like fake ass and fake titties VS some who want all natural no implants / fat transfers / tummy tuck surgeries, etc.

Some mongers like girls who look like a walking pin cushion VS those who like no face or body piercings.

So I sold my Doge Coins and made A little Profit =P. Since Colombia (Cartagena) Was On My Bucket List This Will be my First Country I splurge In for My 30th Birthday August 4. Looking To team up with some experienced folks. I'll Bbe staying at the Intercontinental! PM me if interested!

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573412]Beauty is subjective. You know how many pictures on here that I have seen of someone bragging of some 10 they have fucked but to me looked like a 2, and I am sure it has been the same for some chicks I have posted.

Why do you have it in your head that you not only must give extra money, but must give a lot extra if the girl looks really good to you? You pay the price that you negotiate. There is no need to give tips because you fucked the girl. Yesterday when I caught a taxi I did not give extra. Today when I ate at a restaurant I did not give extra (service charge already included on most bills). For the condo I am staying in I did not give extra. Why give extra for fucking someone?[/QUOTE]Because I am generous and tip for good service. Especially in a poor country. Is $14 a lot of money to you?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573524]Because I am generous and tip for good service. Especially in a poor country. Is $14 a lot of money to you?[/QUOTE]Depends on the context of the $14. But I tend to work within cultures and not spread my way or the way we do things back home around the world.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573536]Depends on the context of the $14. But I tend to work within cultures and not spread my way or the way we do things back home around the world.[/QUOTE]Sounds to me like you are just cheap. I'm sure nobody who I ever tipped in a poor country was offended by my culture of tipping for good service. You will be horrified to know that in Jan 20 I gave a chica 300 mil when we had agreed on 200 after she spent 5 hours in bed with me, unlimited sex, insane blowjobs for probably an hour in total, 2 CIM's and BBFS. She was very grateful and she earned it.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573539]Sounds to me like you are just cheap. [/QUOTE]I am defintely cheap when it comes to hookers. Catching a nut is not worth much to me when there are tons of normal chicks that I am already fucking for free. I prefer to spend more money on the stable or longer term relationship side of things or on durable goods for myself instead of the hourly fuck session.

New top of the line firearm coming out: Here is my $1500 for it. Me and my girl are going on a trip: Sure I will spring for the beachfront suite. Fucking some random hooker for a few minutes: I could do in a back alley and give that broad $10. I am not trying to impress her or gain brownie points by being Mister Big Tipper.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573412]Beauty is subjective. You know how many pictures on here that I have seen of someone bragging of some 10 they have fucked but to me looked like a 2, and I am sure it has been the same for some chicks I have posted.
[/QUOTE]Subjective is so right but not widely understood by many.

Years ago I was at Terma 4 x4 in Brazil and I saw this American guy with a chick that to me was overweight and someone I would only fuck in private at night for free. I glanced at his face and I saw that he had the biggest fucking shit eating happiest grin I had ever seen with his arm wrapped tightly around this chick and looking her in the eyes.

It was at this precise moment I realized he was the luckiest man in the world. He was fucking EXACTLY what he wanted to fuck (or thought of as a 10) AT THAT MOMENT without a care in the world of anybody elses thoughts.

I found and still find that my taste in women physically have, and still change damn near daily. I just want to fuck the chick I want at that moment.

An old Spanish professor told a group of us young boys back in High school that there is no such thing as an ugly girl. Now I truly understand and appreciate that wisdom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573707]I am defintely cheap when it comes to hookers. Catching a nut is not worth much to me when there are tons of normal chicks that I am already fucking for free. I prefer to spend more money on the stable or longer term relationship side of things or on durable goods for myself instead of the hourly fuck session.

New top of the line firearm coming out: Here is my $1500 for it. Me and my girl are going on a trip: Sure I will spring for the beachfront suite. Fucking some random hooker for a few minutes: I could do in a back alley and give that broad $10. I am not trying to impress her or gain brownie points by being Mister Big Tipper.[/QUOTE]Mr. E never fails to disappoint. It's a transaction nothing more. Money for pussy.

[QUOTE=Sawassdee;2573737]Subjective is so right but not widely understood by many.

Years ago I was at Terma 4 x4 in Brazil and I saw this American guy with a chick that to me was overweight and someone I would only fuck in private at night for free. I glanced at his face and I saw that he had the biggest fucking shit eating happiest grin I had ever seen with his arm wrapped tightly around this chick and looking her in the eyes.

It was at this precise moment I realized he was the luckiest man in the world. He was fucking EXACTLY what he wanted to fuck (or thought of as a 10) AT THAT MOMENT without a care in the world of anybody elses thoughts.

I found and still find that my taste in women physically have, and still change damn near daily. I just want to fuck the chick I want at that moment.

An old Spanish professor told a group of us young boys back in High school that there is no such thing as an ugly girl. Now I truly understand and appreciate that wisdom.[/QUOTE]I have seen this played out too and I also have been the guy with the 'shit eating luckiest guy in the world look' and my Colombian buddies just could not wrap their heads around why I was with this costena from Santa Marta, we all have our reasons and well here is mine:

It is simple, have you ever listened to the words of the AC / DC song Rossie, yes this was my Rossie, she ain't son pretty, she ain't so small, but 42" and 39" and 56" let me tell you she GOT IT ALL!

I enjoyed her for 2 years, think she moved back to the coast.

Much love and respect to all now go find your Rossie!

The Tall Man.

Let's not get into name calling. The point I wanted to raise is for newbies that read these threads. It is important to know the local economy in all instances. Here in Colombia pussie is cheap relative to what you guys pay in the USA.

What you spend is your business and no one should criticize you for how you chose to spend your money. Some guys tip and some don't. Do you. No one is discouraging anyone from paying or tipping (big or small). You can pay whatever makes you feel good. Life is about happiness. If you get something extra or better because you tipped or payed more, good for you. More power to you.

At the same time, I notice no difference between tipping 20 mil and 50 mil as both can go a long way here. I get the same smile and eagerness to hook up in the future. But that is MY experience. Everyone is different. It isn't about the value of a tip to me (in dollars), but the value to her (in pesos). Also, when I do choose to tip, it is because I'm getting something extra. Just good service to me is not something extra; it is expected. Tipping as a cultural norm like in the USA is much different than here in Colombia.

Happy Mongering!!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573768]Tipping as a cultural norm like in the USA is much different than here in Colombia.

Happy Mongering!![/QUOTE]Yep. And not only in Colombia, but in almost all other places in the world. American tourists have spoiled local markets and not by just tipping, but tipping ridiculously large sums like 15-25%. In many countries, even when tipping is expected, it might be just a few euros, or rounding up or maybe 7-10% (what Brits normally tip, if at all). As a result, people in many parts of the world where tipping has never been customary, proactively ask for tips as if it's a fucking norm now.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2573830]Yep. And not only in Colombia, but in almost all other places in the world. American tourists have spoiled local markets and not by just tipping, but tipping ridiculously large sums like 15-25%. In many countries, even when tipping is expected, it might be just a few euros, or rounding up or maybe 7-10% (what Brits normally tip, if at all). As a result, people in many parts of the world where tipping has never been customary, proactively ask for tips as if it's a fucking norm now.[/QUOTE]I hear you. In Colombia, they already include a VOLUNTARY 10% tip in many gringo / tourist areas (and maybe even some other areas). That is kind of the marker for me in terms of the fact that many Colombians just don't volunteer to include the tip and also that it is 10%. Many tourists don't realize this about the 10% and will tip 20% or more on top of the 10% already included in the bill.

I have nothing against anyone getting more money. But, the point you make about raising expectations is a legitimate one, of course. You can only control your own actions, which is why I don't sweat it. People say this is what happened in places like Costa Rica. Then, after the fact, people complain about why prices are so high LOL? I've even heard that, in places like Sosua, some girls are getting $200 USD.

Someone mentioned something about making sure she knows you're the man or something like that, in regards to tipping. To me, the most important thing to realize is that it is a buyer's market and we have control, if we know how to use the power. When guys operate like it is a seller's market, it sometimes can be baffling. But hey, to each his own.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573856]Then, after the fact, people complain about why prices are so high LOL? I've even heard that, in places like Sosua, some girls are getting $200 USD.[/QUOTE]Shit. I know they are. Don't know if you saw the video a couple of weeks ago about the guy in Sosua paying the chick $100, but she tried to change it after the fact and say it was supposed to be $150. And people said that they only do cheapskates like me that way. I have never given a Sosua chick even half of $100. Here this man agrees to $100 and she still tries to rip him off. I think she stole his necklace too, but he did not realize it until it was too late. Damn. Stole his shit and stuck around to argue for more money. These mfs are relentless. And some mongers have the nerve to kiss up to them. LOL.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573856]In Colombia, they already include a VOLUNTARY 10% tip in many gringo / tourist areas (and maybe even some other areas).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2573856]Many tourists don't realize this about the 10%[/QUOTE]- In Colombia, they automatically add the 10% voluntary tip in upscale restaurants. No one will refuse. That is probably why you noticed the 10% tip in the tourist areas since the restaurants will be more expensive. From my experiences, they are always happy with the 10% and always give good service. I never experienced the complaint a previous poster made in which the server wanted more than 10%.

- At nice mid-level restaurants, the server will usually ask you if you want to add the tip.

- At lower end restaurants, the server won't ask. If you want to tip, you have to say "con servicio". I tip; so I guess I'm part of the wave that will ruin Colombia. LOL!

- The above applies to restaurants. WTF is with the nightclubs and strip joints in Mexico and Colombia. The waiters will try to scam the tourist; they will overcharge you. Is it the same in other Latin American countries?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2573899]WTF is with the nightclubs and strip joints in Mexico and Colombia. The waiters will try to scam the tourist; they will overcharge you. Is it the same in other Latin American countries?[/QUOTE]I do not think it is a scam. I think they just assume you are going to give it anyway and save you the trouble by adding it. Because I mean why not. No need to be cheap.

To report that as of last Friday the curfew hours changed from 00:00 to 05:00 every day, it was extended for two more hours each night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573902]I do not think it is a scam. I think they just assume you are going to give it anyway and save you the trouble by adding it. Because I mean why not.[/QUOTE]- Sometimes they add a 100% tip. I hate being scammed. I'm somewhat mentally sick in which half my day is ruined because I get angry because I got ripped off for a few dollars. I always tip. But I would prefer to tip 3 K rather than the waiter adding 2 K.

- What's the Colombian standard, in terms of tipping, when ordering from a waiter at a strip joint or a nightclub?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573902]No need to be cheap.[/QUOTE]I prefer to give my unnecessary tips to girls rather than the waiters. The waiters don't suck my dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573889]Shit. I know they are. Don't know if you saw the video a couple of weeks ago about the guy in Sosua paying the chick $100, but she tried to change it after the fact and say it was supposed to be $150. And people said that they only do cheapskates like me that way. I have never given a Sosua chick even half of $100. Here this man agrees to $100 and she still tries to rip him off. I think she stole his necklace too, but he did not realize it until it was too late. Damn. Stole his shit and stuck around to argue for more money. These mfs are relentless. And some mongers have the nerve to kiss up to them. LOL.[/QUOTE]My guess is she was emboldened to try to scam him because he was stupid enough to agree to $100 in the first place. Unless you're grossly obese or don't wipe your ass, you can get the hottest chica in Sosua for about $50. This guy tipped her off that he was a fool and she took it a step farther.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2573910]- Sometimes they add a 100% tip. I hate being scammed. I'm somewhat mentally sick in which half my day is ruined because I get angry because I got ripped off for a few dollars. I always tip. But I would prefer to tip 3 K rather than the waiter adding 2 K.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of restaurants in the USA That do the same thing (think some areas of NYC or Miami Beach). And then they have the audacity to add an additional TIPS line to your check after ripping you off for 17-20% with the service charges.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2573910]I prefer to give my unnecessary tips to girls rather than the waiters. The waiters don't suck my dick.[/QUOTE]Well, this is where I respectfully disagree. The whole concept of tipping, IMHO, to help low-wage employees in the service industry to make ends meet. And it doesn't matter how much you pay the girl who sucks your dick or how grateful you are, she makes more money, a lot more in fact, than your typical waitress, maid, or cabby. That's my philosophy, anyway.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2573988]That's my philosophy, anyway.[/QUOTE]Good philosophy.

[QUOTE=Combo;2573916]”you can get the hottest chica in Sosua for about $50”.[/QUOTE]Really?! Huh OK. Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath. Some of the baddest chicas charge 100 to 150 a night. Currently 3000 pesos ($52) or higher is the beginning asking price for most chicas ST. But I see your point.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2573539]Sounds to me like you are just cheap..[/QUOTE]What is this word "cheap".

At the risk of leading the witness, here is mine.

Frugal.

Froo-guhl.

See synonyms for: frugal / frugality on [URL]Thesaurus.com[/URL].

Adjective.

Economical in use or expenditure; prudently saving or sparing; not wasteful:

What your office needs is a frugal manager who can save you money without resorting to painful cutbacks.

I know many things to do with my money than be overcharged by third world putas aka flushing it down the shitter.

Mongering alert 101 there isn't any "status" in being overcharged.

Correction, there is always 3rd world puta "chump status".

In my travels I have seen that most really poor people don't even see genuine "generosity" as kindness but rather view it as desperate / weakness and stoopidity.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573412]Beauty is subjective. You know how many pictures on here that I have seen of someone bragging of some 10 they have fucked but to me looked like a 2, and I am sure it has been the same for some chicks I have posted.

Why do you have it in your head that you not only must give extra money, but must give a lot extra if the girl looks really good to you? You pay the price that you negotiate. There is no need to give tips because you fucked the girl. Yesterday when I caught a taxi I did not give extra. Today when I ate at a restaurant I did not give extra (service charge already included on most bills). For the condo I am staying in I did not give extra. Why give extra for fucking someone?[/QUOTE]And Touche'.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2573899]- In Colombia, they automatically add the 10% voluntary tip in upscale restaurants. No one will refuse. T[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573902]I do not think it is a scam. I think they just assume you are going to give it anyway and save you the trouble by adding it. Because I mean why not. No need to be cheap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2573988]There are plenty of restaurants in the USA That do the same thing (think some areas of NYC or Miami Beach). And then they have the audacity to add an additional TIPS line to your check after ripping you off for 17-20% with the service charges..[/QUOTE]I used to manage restaurants years ago and I have to throw in here that in many restaurants, it does not matter how fancy or expensive really it just matters how it is staffed, so in many restaurants that tip could end up being split up to four ways, some places the tip is split down between the wait person, the bus person, the bartender who made the drinks and then sometimes there is a person doing salads and desserts who has to be tipped out too. If you are at very place then you also have to account for the maître the' getting a cut and if you drink wine there is the Sommelier. At a bare minimum unless the place is really slow the wait people are tipping out to the bus people (10% of there tips) and the bartender (20% of their tips) , as some one who worked in the industry my view is that not tipping enough isn't just not cool, its straight up being freeloader.

That being said I think we can all agree that if Colombia wants gringos to tip they need to learn to go back to that table once in a while a say "Hola, Necesitas algo más" instead of me having to practically chase the waitress into the kitchen at Crepes and Waffles to let her know we would like to order dessert. LOL.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2574253]I used to manage restaurants years ago and I have to throw in here that in many restaurants, it does not matter how fancy or expensive really it just matters how it is staffed, so in many restaurants that tip could end up being split up to four ways, some places the tip is split down between the wait person, the bus person, the bartender who made the drinks and then sometimes there is a person doing salads and desserts who has to be tipped out too. If you are at very place then you also have to account for the matre the' getting a cut and if you drink wine there is the Sommelier. At a bare minimum unless the place is really slow the wait people are tipping out to the bus people (10% of there tips) and the bartender (20% of their tips) , as some one who worked in the industry my view is that not tipping enough isn't just not cool, its straight up being freeloader.

That being said I think we can all agree that if Colombia wants gringos to tip they need to learn to go back to that table once in a while a say "Hola, Necesitas algo ms" instead of me having to practically chase the waitress into the kitchen at Crepes and Waffles to let her know we would like to order dessert. LOL.[/QUOTE]Are the owners trying to push their labor costs onto us!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2573889]Shit. I know they are. Don't know if you saw the video a couple of weeks ago about the guy in Sosua paying the chick $100, but she tried to change it after the fact and say it was supposed to be $150. And people said that they only do cheapskates like me that way. I have never given a Sosua chick even half of $100. Here this man agrees to $100 and she still tries to rip him off. I think she stole his necklace too, but he did not realize it until it was too late. Damn. Stole his shit and stuck around to argue for more money. These mfs are relentless. And some mongers have the nerve to kiss up to them. LOL.[/QUOTE]I saw that video when it came out and shook my head in disappointment when I saw her face. My thoughts was that he over paid because she was licking his ass or he have some crazy fetish because she looked like someone who been out there too long walking those streets.

He paid her $100 for TLN which was way too high. This is one of the reasons many are no longer going to DR. The chicas became too Americanized when these mongers started paying them in $USD at US prices. I have friends who pay $300 a session in NYC / NJ and would travel to DR thinking $100 a session is a great deal not realizing they overpaid 4 X the price as its only 1500 pesos a session.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2574253]I used to manage restaurants years ago and I have to throw in here that in many restaurants, it does not matter how fancy or expensive really it just matters how it is staffed, so in many restaurants that tip could end up being split up to four ways, some places the tip is split down between the wait person, the bus person, the bartender who made the drinks and then sometimes there is a person doing salads and desserts who has to be tipped out too. If you are at very place then you also have to account for the matre the' getting a cut and if you drink wine there is the Sommelier. At a bare minimum unless the place is really slow the wait people are tipping out to the bus people (10% of there tips) and the bartender (20% of their tips) , as some one who worked in the industry my view is that not tipping enough isn't just not cool, its straight up being freeloader.

That being said I think we can all agree that if Colombia wants gringos to tip they need to learn to go back to that table once in a while a say "Hola, Necesitas algo ms" instead of me having to practically chase the waitress into the kitchen at Crepes and Waffles to let her know we would like to order dessert. LOL.[/QUOTE]I understand where you stand, but our tipping culture should stay within our borders. There is no need to spread this nonsense around the world. If you believe in doing what Romans do, then tip like Romans in Rome, not like Americans in Rome, GA jaja.

It must be borne in mind that in Colombia and especially in Cartagena, the restaurants and bars in the tourist area are focused on serving people who are not from Cartagena, and for most local people it is a luxury to eat or spend a night drinking cocktails and beers in a bar in the center or Bocagrande as you do.

In Colombia, the minimum wage is approximately COP 900 k, but let's be honest that is not enough to support a single person, much less a family and unfortunately in Latin America the poorer a family is, the larger it is, and the more children they have.

So if you see a waiter or a bartender or a kitchen assistant in a restaurant or bar or disco in the tourist area, most likely they are being paid the legal minimum and many times less than that, but then because they accept to work In those conditions if, in the end, they didn't even have enough to eat with that money? Yes, you are correct the tips!

With this, I am not saying that you are forced to pay a tip anywhere even if the service was bad, because first of all it is not mandatory and second I believe that tips are earned with the attitude of good service and dedication to doing feel to the client that they are being well cared for and that it is important to them.

Normally the waiter asks if you want to include the service, which is 10% by default, but you have the freedom to say that you want to pay 5% or whatever amount you decide on the account or that you do not want to include it or tell them not to include in the account but that you are going to pay separately to the person who attended you, and for a person whose day is COP 30 K = 10 USD, receive a tip that is half or even less than what they earn in a day whole work is more than enough.

[QUOTE=GameTime;2569704]Fresh back from a 4 day run in Cartagena. This is my 6th time and I got to say, the quality of the babes was as high as ever for me. The curfew put a damper on things but we adapted. Stayed in Bocagrande and had no issue bringing in talent in our AirBnB. Did the beach during the day everyday except one day. Each day snagged a nice on from the beach for 200 k. Anyone saying their paying 100 k on the beach me be paying that but the quality is not that good at that price. Did one day hanging out walking around the Old City and met some stunners just out walking. Nice Cuban Cigar spot called Tobaco why Ron showed us a good time when we brought in some babes we met out walking the please City. Tried Delirium at night and that's just not my scene. Just to packed and to dam loud. Maybe 10 years ago I could party there but not now. Parked it in Dolce Vita and Space every night and had no problem landing stars. They all started at 300 k and I only got one down to 250 k. I too wear flip flops and shorts out at night. I want the babes to know I am a target. I'm not showing up in Versace of I got to pay anyway. All and all, had a fantastic time and going back soon. I prefer Cartagena over Medellin because of the beach and how close everything is. Last thing, those Venezuelan babes know how to party in Cartagena. We got back to my place and we drank and partied for a few hours before any sex popped off. Great time. If that government ever gets its act together, I'll be a regular in Venezuela![/QUOTE]Check your DM.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2573830]Yep. And not only in Colombia, but in almost all other places in the world. American tourists have spoiled local markets and not by just tipping, but tipping ridiculously large sums like 15-25%. In many countries, even when tipping is expected, it might be just a few euros, or rounding up or maybe 7-10% (what Brits normally tip, if at all). As a result, people in many parts of the world where tipping has never been customary, proactively ask for tips as if it's a fucking norm now.[/QUOTE]Like me! Bwahahahahah, the dreadlocked cheap charlie backpackers hated me in Cambodia because I would tip a $1.50 on a 50 cent beer LOL.

The money is funny there, that's how it worked out.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2574262]Are the owners trying to push their labor costs onto us![/QUOTE]Which is exactly how tipping in the US got started. One of the many great magic tricks pulled off in our country over the centuries. It is akin to the one about explorers arriving with bibles and locals having gold, but when the explorers leave they have the gold and the locals have the bibles.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2573988]Well, this is where I respectfully disagree. The whole concept of tipping, IMHO, to help low-wage employees in the service industry to make ends meet. And it doesn't matter how much you pay the girl who sucks your dick or how grateful you are, she makes more money, a lot more in fact, than your typical waitress, maid, or cabby.[/QUOTE]None of this is complicated, nor are there any conspiracies to pick on cheapskate mongers in need of something to complain about. It's just our system. Wait staff work for tips. If employers in the industry were compelled to pay them a livable wage then the price of meals would be higher, as they so often are in other developed economies with different systems like in Western Europe. Stiffing a waitress who gave adequate or better service is just low. End of story.

Back down here I found a few girls willing to fuck for $20 usd 75000 mil pesos but I'm a be honest they ain't much to look at. This is end of night stuff prices go down a lot LOL.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2574262]Are the owners trying to push their labor costs onto us![/QUOTE]It is the simplest of economics. All labor costs are passed on to customers but that does not translate into higher profit for the owners. Restaurants operate in the most competitive industry there is. Because restaurants are what economist call an "easy entry" business compared to say the cable tv business where you would have to spend millions running wires all over the city to get started (which is of course why most cable companies are either a monopoly or an oligopoly in most cities) , for a restaurant you need maybe a grill and a refrigerator, table and chairs. The restaurant that I managed ran in the red 6 days a week and only went into the black on Sundays when the after church families packed the place wall to wall. I talked to enough other managers to know this phenomena of not making a profit most days was common.

If we were not tipping we would be paying about 20% more for the food. Restaurant work when its busy is high pressure and high stress controlled chaos, its why they say most cooks are drug addicts, I used to give my most talented line cook a "marijuana break" when things were about to get hairy. No one is going to do that work for less than what is being earned now.

Because of competition one also better have a sensible exit strategy because 60% of restaurants fail in the first year and 80% fail within five years (some of that extra 20% who held on for over year did not have sensible exit strategy and lost their shirt and their underwear, where as those who got out in the first year only lost their shirt). So because the restaurant business is so competitive the profit margins are tiny in most cases, of course there are exceptions for people that choose to pay more at fancy restaurants but the average sit down and order restaurant is trying to squeeze a dime out of a dollar.

Tipping is part of capitalism. You want to know what countries do not have tipping? - countries like France who's labor laws have been overly influenced by socialist policies and unions mandating high wages.

I had to deal with a stupid fucking union trying to tell me how many hours to schedule my cooks. Since cooks get paid wages and not tips, this could have literally shut us down because the revenues from the volume of business would not carry that labor percentage cost without raising prices to the point that it would have deterred customers and cause lost volume. I fucked with the unions though, I would only hire college students, then have them bring me their class schedule and then I would schedule them on days they had class, then when they came and said they had class I would tell them to call in and that it was an "excused" call in and would not count against them.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2574502]Like me! Bwahahahahah, the dreadlocked cheap charlie backpackers hated me in Cambodia because I would tip a $1.50 on a 50 cent beer LOL.

The money is funny there, that's how it worked out.[/QUOTE]But hooker prices in PP ain't funny at all, which just reinforces my point. There is no need for tipping working girls (although I have broken this rule myself on more than one occasion, LOL).

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2574543]It is the simplest of economics. All labor costs are passed on to customers but that does not translate into higher profit for the owners. Restaurants operate in the most competitive industry there is. Because restaurants are what economist call an "easy entry" business compared to say the cable tv business where you would have to spend millions running wires all over the city to get started (which is of course why most cable companies are either a monopoly or an oligopoly in most cities) , for a restaurant you need maybe a grill and a refrigerator, table and chairs. The restaurant that I managed ran in the red 6 days a week and only went into the black on Sundays when the after church families packed the place wall to wall. I talked to enough other managers to know this phenomena of not making a profit most days was common.

If we were not tipping we would be paying about 20% more for the food. Restaurant work when its busy is high pressure and high stress controlled chaos, its why they say most cooks are drug addicts, I used to give my most talented line cook a "marijuana break" when things were about to get hairy. No one is going to do that work for less than what is being earned now.

Because of competition one also better have a sensible exit strategy because 60% of restaurants fail in the first year and 80% fail within five years (some of that extra 20% who held on for over year did not have sensible exit strategy and lost their shirt and their underwear, where as those who got out in the first year only lost their shirt). So because the restaurant business is so competitive the profit margins are tiny in most cases, of course there are exceptions for people that choose to pay more at fancy restaurants but the average sit down and order restaurant is trying to squeeze a dime out of a dollar..[/QUOTE]If you are a business (any business) that has margins that are so thin they can't afford to pay their employees, get the fuck out of the market! No excuses.

Tipping is part of capitalism? According to whom? Those that benefit from it.

I suck at tipping I usually feel I left way too much or not enough, how about getting rid of it all together.

I'm guessing everyone would like that except resto owners.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2574543]It is the simplest of economics. All labor costs are passed on to customers but that does not translate into higher profit for the owners. Restaurants operate in the most competitive industry there is. Because restaurants are what economist call an "easy entry" business compared to say the cable tv business where you would have to spend millions running wires all over the city to get started (which is of course why most cable companies are either a monopoly or an oligopoly in most cities) , for a restaurant you need maybe a grill and a refrigerator, table and chairs. The restaurant that I managed ran in the red 6 days a week and only went into the black on Sundays when the after church families packed the place wall to wall. I talked to enough other managers to know this phenomena of not making a profit most days was common.

If we were not tipping we would be paying about 20% more for the food. Restaurant work when its busy is high pressure and high stress controlled chaos, its why they say most cooks are drug addicts, I used to give my most talented line cook a "marijuana break" when things were about to get hairy. No one is going to do that work for less than what is being earned now.

Because of competition one also better have a sensible exit strategy because 60% of restaurants fail in the first year and 80% fail within five years (some of that extra 20% who held on for over year did not have sensible exit strategy and lost their shirt and their underwear, where as those who got out in the first year only lost their shirt). So because the restaurant business is so competitive the profit margins are tiny in most cases, of course there are exceptions for people that choose to pay more at fancy restaurants but the average sit down and order restaurant is trying to squeeze a dime out of a dollar..[/QUOTE]I'm guessing this is the mentality and the rationalizations slave owners used.

If a business (any business) can only afford to pay slave wages, that business needs to close, period.

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2574538]Back down here I found a few girls willing to fuck for $20 usd 75000 mil pesos but I'm a be honest they ain't much to look at. This is end of night stuff prices go down a lot LOL.[/QUOTE]75 mil is way too low. That sounds like she didn't get any customers at all for the whole day and just needed money to get home or she was past her sell by date.

I wouldn't touch anything below 200 mil.

3 last comments and advice on this subject.

1. Tipping is a reality and its not going away.

2. How can you suck at tipping, Tipping is easy -as long as the wait person did not totally screw up you order. Look at the amount on the check she / he gives you and if there is no line item that says "service" or "gratuity" take out your phone and open the calculator and multiply by. 2 the industry standard is 20%.

3. If for whatever reason you do not tip, 20% do not return to that restaurant because it is also an industry standard that if you do not tip the next time they will spit in your food.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2574603]If you are a business (any business) that has margins that are so thin they can't afford to pay their employees, get the fuck out of the market! No excuses.

Tipping is part of capitalism? According to whom? Those that benefit from it.

I suck at tipping I usually feel I left way too much or not enough, how about getting rid of it all together.

I'm guessing everyone would like that except resto owners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2574731]2 the industry standard is 20%.
[/QUOTE]Who was in the room when that standard was set and what criteria did they use? Why can't the tip be per item? Like when I am in the airport club where drinks are free, I usually give them $1 per each drink I get. Would it be better to stick with the industry standard and tip 20% of 0?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574737]Who was in the room when that standard was set and what criteria did they use? Why can't the tip be per item? Like when I am in the airport club where drinks are free, I usually give them $1 per each drink I get. Would it be better to stick with the industry standard and tip 20% of 0?[/QUOTE]Then 18% then 20%.

Why not 50% or 100%? Or 150%.

Clock tower isn't were you pick females up the prices go up a lot here better off working tinder and Walking the beach.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574737]Who was in the room when that standard was set and what criteria did they use? Why can't the tip be per item? Like when I am in the airport club where drinks are free, I usually give them $1 per each drink I get. Would it be better to stick with the industry standard and tip 20% of 0?[/QUOTE] To correct myself the standard is actually 15 - 20% but to your point your talking Apples to my Oranges. I was referring to the restaurant industry. Not the airport lounge industry. Apple and oranges. As explained here by Executive Traveler its not the same industry. So not the same standard. The people in those lounges are well paid and their livelihood is not dependent on tips. Unlike at a restaurant where the wait person makes $2. 13 an hour. This article gives the perspective and Australian. Australia does not have a tipping culture but apparently he agrees with you. About the dollar a drink anyway.

[URL]https://www.executivetraveller.com/should-you-tip-the-staff-in-us-airport-lounges[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2574503]Which is exactly how tipping in the US got started. One of the many great magic tricks pulled off in our country over the centuries. It is akin to the one about explorers arriving with bibles and locals having gold, but when the explorers leave they have the gold and the locals have the bibles.[/QUOTE]Truer words have never been spoken. Spot on.

The Tall Man.

Last time in Cartagena I used the Hotel El Viajero a couple of times. Although I have never had trouble bringing guests back to the airbnb I was using, I decided to see if the El Viajero had any nicer rooms. I rented the superior apartment with a kitchen and balcony, got to have a balcony in Cartagena. Has anyone stayed in the El Viajero for more than a few hours and has anyone stayed in the superior apartrment.

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2574763]Clock tower isn't were you pick females up the prices go up a lot here better off working tinder and Walking the beach.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed.

As I've learned, I would get them from the beach in the day time and try them out for 200 mil, then if they were good I would get the whatsapp and call them back for TLN at 500 mil max.

The clocktower at night is where the girls start 300 mil por hora or 600 mil TLN, even up to 800 mil TLN.

But now even tinder chicas are saying $100 por hora, $200 TLN or $400 for the whole day which is absurd.

I've never had so many chicas in CTG talk to me in dollars.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2575365]Yes indeed.

As I've learned, I would get them from the beach in the day time and try them out for 200 mil, then if they were good I would get the whatsapp and call them back for TLN at 500 mil max.

The clocktower at night is where the girls start 300 mil por hora or 600 mil TLN, even up to 800 mil TLN.

But now even tinder chicas are saying $100 por hora, $200 TLN or $400 for the whole day which is absurd.

I've never had so many chicas in CTG talk to me in dollars.[/QUOTE]As soon they say 100 usd I counter them in cop mil. That when their tune change and they know your not a newbie tourist LOL.

Let's be serious a hot girl for $100 is a great deal deal but it's human nature to haggle.

I'll be in Cartagena next weekend and the week after. Send me a private message if you're there and would like to meet up. I'm conversant in Spanish, but haven't mongered in Cartagena yet. I'm especially interested in places inexpensive or off the beaten path. If you're a senior member I'd be happy to buy you a drink and shoot the shit.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2575365]Yes indeed.


But now even tinder chicas are saying $100 por hora, $200 TLN or $400 for the whole day which is absurd.

I've never had so many chicas in CTG talk to me in dollars.[/QUOTE]Probably a lot more clowns going to CTG these days because of all the videos on Youtube now, and they are paying these inflated prices in dollars and talking about how much cheaper it is than Magic City in Atlanta or some spot in NYC.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2575177]Last time in Cartagena I used the Hotel El Viajero a couple of times. Although I have never had trouble bringing guests back to the airbnb I was using, I decided to see if the El Viajero had any nicer rooms. I rented the superior apartment with a kitchen and balcony, got to have a balcony in Cartagena. Has anyone stayed in the El Viajero for more than a few hours and has anyone stayed in the superior apartrment.[/QUOTE]I have not stayed there yet but good to know they have nicer rooms. Do you recall how much you paid for the nicer room? I am coming in early October for a week and staying with a friend at the Hotel Santa Clara who has a timeshare arrangement with the Sofitel and they gave him two rooms. However, we all know that's it's next to impossible to sneak an uninvited guest into that hotel. Given that, I could see renting a room at the Viajero for a week as a backup. Convenient that's it's close to LDV too.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2575177]Last time in Cartagena I used the Hotel El Viajero a couple of times. Although I have never had trouble bringing guests back to the airbnb I was using, I decided to see if the El Viajero had any nicer rooms. I rented the superior apartment with a kitchen and balcony, got to have a balcony in Cartagena. Has anyone stayed in the El Viajero for more than a few hours and has anyone stayed in the superior apartrment.[/QUOTE]Which room did you rent that had a kitchen and balcony? And, you are saying that it is chica friendly? Did they ask for her cedula or exactly how did it work? [URL]https://viajerohostels.com/producto/cartagena/[/URL].

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2576166]

Let's be serious a hot girl for $100 is a great deal deal but it's human nature to haggle.[/QUOTE]Well, LET us be serious. Nowhere in Colombia, a $100 ST girl is a great deal, even in CTG. One's well-advised to haggle well to bring their overly ambitious aspirations down a notch.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2576445]Well, LET us be serious. Nowhere in Colombia, a $100 ST girl is a great deal, even in CTG. [/QUOTE]You forgot the Dream Land, better known as Sex Prison for me, where many ISG members come from. Flood CTG with them, and this is the result. Sadly. I hope things will be back to normal and not to New Normal for when I will resume travelling.

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2576166]Let's be serious a hot girl for $100 is a great deal deal but it's human nature to haggle.[/QUOTE]Considering I paid one here in Medellin $13 yesterday with no haggling, and today haggled one down from $18 to $13, you must be new around here thinking 3 digits is a great deal.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2576445]Well, LET us be serious. Nowhere in Colombia, a $100 ST girl is a great deal, even in CTG. One's well-advised to haggle well to bring their overly ambitious aspirations down a notch.[/QUOTE]How many of these dudes make even $100 a day in the USA, yet they are willing to pay $100 for a nutt that might take 20-45 minutes on average.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2576460]How many of these dudes make even $100 a day in the USA, yet they are willing to pay $100 for a nutt that might take 20-45 minutes on average.[/QUOTE]I was there for NYs eve for a week. Most cuties were happy with 250 k. I didn't pay more than 300 k, and she was super hot! Yes you can find cheaper chicas if you want. Personally I'm comfortable with 250. I'll be back in a few weeks.

I really like Cartagena. Plenty to do, cabs are cheap. I've only began to learn the city.

I'm curious to know how the guys who live there deal with the tax issue.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2576463]I was there for NYs eve for a week. Most cuties were happy with 250 k. I didn't pay more than 300 k, and she was super hot! Yes you can find cheaper chicas if you want. Personally I'm comfortable with 250. I'll be back in a few weeks.

I really like Cartagena. Plenty to do, cabs are cheap. I've only began to learn the city.

I'm curious to know how the guys who live there deal with the tax issue.[/QUOTE]I'll be out there Aug 3 - 8 at the Intercontinental [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue].

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[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2576166]As soon they say 100 usd I counter them in cop mil. That when their tune change and they know your not a newbie tourist LOL.

Let's be serious a hot girl for $100 is a great deal deal but it's human nature to haggle.[/QUOTE]$100 is a great deal if you are looking to be robbed! Seriously some of the "I will spend what it takes" types don't quite realize they are putting a target on themselves. Colombia is not a place to flaunt wealth. The only people who do that are the narco kingpins. And it's even dangerous for them. In their mind, when you negotiate some you are perceived as a part of the financial struggles, when you flaunt it, you are the problem! We are already at a handicap with that "Gringo" label, no need to magnify it! I guarantee you they will quote a native a different price to a gringo.

Colombia is a place to be simple, go under the radar, and get what you want quietly and efficiently. Dress simple, don't do anything to make yourself the center of attention, spend within range for what you are seeking, and be polite and keep moving.

In other words as has been said here ad nauseous, no dar pappaya. The rough price ranges for each venue of meeting are stated here regularly, so I have no idea why mfers try to be the big baller. It just cracks me up. Sadly those are the fools who often get what they are advertising for!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576535]$100 is a great deal if you are looking to be robbed! Seriously some of the "I will spend what it takes" types don't quite realize they are putting a target on themselves. Colombia is not a place to flaunt wealth. The only people who do that are the narco kingpins. And it's even dangerous for them. In their mind, when you negotiate some you are perceived as a part of the financial struggles, when you flaunt it, you are the problem! We are already at a handicap with that "Gringo" label, no need to magnify it! I guarantee you they will quote a native a different price to a gringo.

Colombia is a place to be simple, go under the radar, and get what you want quietly and efficiently. Dress simple, don't do anything to make yourself the center of attention, spend within range for what you are seeking, and be polite and keep moving.

In other words as has been said here ad nauseous, no dar pappaya. The rough price ranges for each venue of meeting are stated here regularly, so I have no idea why mfers try to be the big baller. It just cracks me up. Sadly those are the fools who often get what they are advertising for![/QUOTE]$100 is a lot of money? LOL. Where do you live?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2576564]$100 is a lot of money? LOL. Where do you live?[/QUOTE]Why you talking $ in Colombia? Sums it up for me. It doesn't matter if it's a lot to you or not, it's whether it's a lot to them. Guess some of you all just need to learn it the hard way.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576632]Why you talking $ in Colombia? Sums it up for me. It doesn't matter if it's a lot to you or not, it's whether it's a lot to them. Guess some of you all just need to learn it the hard way.[/QUOTE]Scammers love to scam, and some scammed love to be scammed. Humans go beyond natural laws of predation.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576632]Why you talking $ in Colombia? Sums it up for me. It doesn't matter if it's a lot to you or not, it's whether it's a lot to them. Guess some of you all just need to learn it the hard way.[/QUOTE]This is why CTG will eventually go the way of Sosua and San Jose, in terms of SIMPs ruining the game. Why dudes operate like it is a seller's market when, in actuality, it is a buyer's market, is a mystery. In the Hood, we call this Hustling Backwards. Instead of trying to get the most bang for your buck, it becomes about paying the most bucks for your bang.

Hey guys. Quick question. Does the quality and quantity of chicas available in Cartagena vary between weekdays and weekends?

I'm trying to plan a 3-4 day trip and trying to figure out if I should do week days or weekend.

In your guys experience, is there a difference?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2576445]Well, LET us be serious. Nowhere in Colombia, a $100 ST girl is a great deal, even in CTG. One's well-advised to haggle well to bring their overly ambitious aspirations down a notch.[/QUOTE]The most I'm willing to pay is 150 mil pesos I had a few girls for 50 mil pesos the point I was trying to make was people from.

Here who doesn't know what's going on down there hear $100 and think it's a great deal.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2576535]$100 is a great deal if you are looking to be robbed! Seriously some of the "I will spend what it takes" types don't quite realize they are putting a target on themselves. Colombia is not a place to flaunt wealth. The only people who do that are the narco kingpins. And it's even dangerous for them. In their mind, when you negotiate some you are perceived as a part of the financial struggles, when you flaunt it, you are the problem! We are already at a handicap with that "Gringo" label, no need to magnify it! I guarantee you they will quote a native a different price to a gringo.

Colombia is a place to be simple, go under the radar, and get what you want quietly and efficiently. Dress simple, don't do anything to make yourself the center of attention, spend within range for what you are seeking, and be polite and keep moving.

In other words as has been said here ad nauseous, no dar pappaya. The rough price ranges for each venue of meeting are stated here regularly, so I have no idea why mfers try to be the big baller. It just cracks me up. Sadly those are the fools who often get what they are advertising for![/QUOTE]I'm not saying I would pay $100 USD I'm just saying others would because they don't know better I had a threesome for $50 and got a double BJ on the beach for $25. I always walk with exact cash and a $20 usd in my sock because you don't know which girl.

Is going to stop.

You when you had back to you're hotel or done.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2576725]Hey guys. Quick question. Does the quality and quantity of chicas available in Cartagena vary between weekdays and weekends?

I'm trying to plan a 3-4 day trip and trying to figure out if I should do week days or weekend.

In your guys experience, is there a difference?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]My first trip to Cartagena I was there Monday through Saturday. I notice chica availability was greater getting closer to the weekend. I made a note to myself when I return it will be Thursday through Sunday or Monday.

When I made my second visit I did just that. Enjoyed my stay. I'll be returning this week Thursday through Sunday.

Is curfew still in place at 10 pm Or midnight?

And, read some reports that clock tower is somewhat hostile from locals and any feedback is appreciated.

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2576760]The most I'm willing to pay is 150 mil pesos I had a few girls for 50 mil pesos the point I was trying to make was people from.

Here who doesn't know what's going on down there hear $100 and think it's a great deal.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I thought you meant that $100 is supposed to be a great price. 150 mil in CTG seems like a really great price nowadays.

[QUOTE=TheKid1989;2576761]I'm not saying I would pay $100 USD I'm just saying others would because they don't know better I had a threesome for $50 and got a double BJ on the beach for $25.[/QUOTE]

Careful now or everyone here would wanna be your friend, LOL.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2576725]Hey guys. Quick question. Does the quality and quantity of chicas available in Cartagena vary between weekdays and weekends?

I'm trying to plan a 3-4 day trip and trying to figure out if I should do week days or weekend.

In your guys experience, is there a difference?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is a difference. Take 4 nights, Wednesday to Saturday.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2576829]Is curfew still in place at 10 pm Or midnight?

And, read some reports that clock tower is somewhat hostile from locals and any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Use tinder you get better results the clock tower is straight transactional. Some girls would only do CBJ. On tinder I tell them it has.

To be BBBJ. Not to mention at the clock tower lots of Venezuelans sellers and beggars who don't understand no. The beach.

Strip your better off. The Venezuelans are cheaper I'm pretty sure they Service the locals.

Cartagena curfew is midnight. Tierra Bomba was packed yesterday. It's still 35 k per person, includes round trip transportation, a meal, one trago and a table. Then Chiva Rumbera buses are going strong all over, 25 k per person for a few hours with several stops. I do not find the Clock Tower area hostile. Just do what the locals do and ignore the touts. Don't give them a reason to bug you, works for me.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2576829]And, read some reports that clock tower is somewhat hostile from locals and any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Yes. Colombian men are going to rough talk and try to get money from you before you get the women. They know you are a foreigner and know you have money.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2576829]Is curfew still in place at 10 pm Or midnight?

And, read some reports that clock tower is somewhat hostile from locals and any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hostile is too strong of a word. Pestering is more like it. A true test of your ignoring skills.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2576798]My first trip to Cartagena I was there Monday through Saturday. I notice chica availability was greater getting closer to the weekend. I made a note to myself when I return it will be Thursday through Sunday or Monday.

When I made my second visit I did just that. Enjoyed my stay. I'll be returning this week Thursday through Sunday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Questner;2576939]Yes, there is a difference. Take 4 nights, Wednesday to Saturday.[/QUOTE]Thanks fellas, appreciate it!

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2576974]Hostile is too strong of a word. Pestering is more like it. A true test of your ignoring skills.[/QUOTE]I buy water bottles from them. 2 K pesos, makes everyone happy. There is a right to work in Colombia, girls and touts are in the same boat. There is nothing of value touts can offer you at the Clock Tower with exception of cold bottled drinks. The best way is always be polite, again, they have the right to work and make a living, better them make a living this way.

[QUOTE=Dekadent;2576168]I'll be in Cartagena next weekend and the week after. Send me a private message if you're there and would like to meet up. I'm conversant in Spanish, but haven't mongered in Cartagena yet. I'm especially interested in places inexpensive or off the beaten path. If you're a senior member I'd be happy to buy you a drink and shoot the shit.[/QUOTE]I'm not a senior member, I can't even PM yet. I'd love to link up, buy some drinks, and shoot the shit as well. I'll be in Cartagena next week through Saturday.

Greetings gentlemen,

Making my 2nd trip to Cartagena and looking for some recent info on either the Hilton or Hampton Inn. I saw the hotel thread, but it looked like it was last updated in 2019. Can anyone confirm from recent experience if either (or both) of these locations are guest friendly? My last stay was in Soy de Local in the walled city. Great location, but the rooms are loft style and the beds are horrible. I'm open to any other suggestions, or any recent threads. I'm still learning to navigate this site, so I may not be looking in the correct place.

[QUOTE=Questner;2577342]I buy water bottles from them. 2 K pesos, makes everyone happy. There is a right to work in Colombia, girls and touts are in the same boat. There is nothing of value touts can offer you at the Clock Tower with exception of cold bottled drinks. The best way is always be polite, again, they have the right to work and make a living, better them make a living this way.[/QUOTE]I got no problem with the existence of touts trying to make a buck. I agree that this better than crime, better than doing nothing, better even than just begging. I have bought drinks, I have bought craft jewelry, I have bought hats and sunglasses, I do have a problem with all of them who do not know how to take no for an answer. I have a bigger problem with the fact that they have grown more and more intrusive.

I have been going to Cartagena for over ten years and it was never as bad as it is now. Not all of these people have anything to sell either. I was negotiating to pick up a cute blonde off a bench in Plaza de LOS Coches and while I was trying to negotiate a price and services with the chica I had a guy in my ear interrupting me trying to get me to buy jewelry, and then there had been a kid about thirteen years old sitting next to her starts telling me that she is his chica and I have to pay him so I can take her, he follows us all the way from the benches across the plaza, out the gate under the clock tower and down the sidewalk to the front of the taxi que yelling that I owe him money. So I tell her to translate and I say to him: since you feel so strongly about this we should probably let the police decide and I point out that there are some just up the sidewalk, then I mention that pimping is illegal in Colombia so he might have a harder time explaining why I owe him money to the police. Then we just get in the taxi and leave.

That's not someone trying to make an honest living, that's just a pest. The guy trying to talk in my ear while I was trying to negotiate with the chica never stood a chance of me buying anything from him. Too intrusive. I had similar experiences when I was trying to take photos with my DSLR around Plaza de San Pedro Claver, I would be trying to focus in with the camera to my eye and people would interrupt me. It didn't used to be this way.

When they go from being assertive to being intrusive to the point of being almost aggressive and they are interfering with what my actual reason for being there is they cross a line, I lose any desire to support their efforts.

[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2576829]Is curfew still in place at 10 pm Or midnight?

And, read some reports that clock tower is somewhat hostile from locals and any feedback is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hello,

Curfew every day until midnight, there are fewer restrictions for these days, a lot of tourist movement too.

If you need any additional information you can write me by PM.

Regards.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2577540]Hello,

Curfew every day until midnight, there are fewer restrictions for these days, a lot of tourist movement too.

If you need any additional information you can write me by PM.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Thank you OnFireBoy.

Folks OnFireBoy is a local in Cartegana and knows in and out of everything about Cartagena. During my last visit in March 2021, we meet with him and was a easy breeze with all the information. He took us to a local club outside of the old city and it was amazing and the girls were sexy and they have nice rooms inside the club if you want to do the deed. He has all good contacts of anything you need. Very trustworthy person and speak very good English. I recommend anyone going there first time or during the covid time reach out to him for up to date information about Cartagena.

I'm making my first trip to Cartagena next week. I'm aware of the ST and toda la noche prices but curious what's the right amount to offer girls going with you to Cholon / Rosario islands for the day. My and my boys are getting a yacht and plan to invite some girls too.

So I am planning on booking my trip tomorrow. Looking at August 6-8th. Will be probably my 6th time in Cartagena and I was last there in December. Back then all you needed was the check mig. No test in or out.

I understand now from the USA you still need check mig, and then a test to get back into the USA. I've tried looking online. Where do you get the test in Cartagena? Any easy suggestions. Don't want to waste a lot of time with that.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2578021]I'm making my first trip to Cartagena next week. I'm aware of the ST and toda la noche prices but curious what's the right amount to offer girls going with you to Cholon / Rosario islands for the day. My and my boys are getting a yacht and plan to invite some girls too.[/QUOTE]Make sure you establish a price with what you expect from the chicas before you invite them on the boat. Remember you will be paying for their food and drinks throughout that whole day they are with you. Some girls will try and empty your pockets and hit you in your head with a hourly fee so make sure you set a solid price in pesos. I also have to be very clear here; you must get to the dock early to leave on the boat early to maximize your time on the islands due to when the tide comes in during the afternoon it will be a rough ass ride back to Cartagena so you want to be back before that. The chicas are always late and that will make you late. So whatever chicas you plan to take on the boat its best to have them sleep over the night before then everyone leaves together and go to the dock. You do not want to be that guy at the dock waiting for the chica to show up and she's telling you she's in a taxi but theres traffic but in actuality she's still in bed 30 minutes away, or worse she's finishing her TLN getting banged out by some gringo, wash up then leaves his hotel room to meet you at the dock.

When I take girls on boats to these islands its usually girls I've been with before multiple times. I never invite a brand new chica on a boat, we have to establish some kind of mutual understanding between us before I invite her out. When I then extend the invitation to her and let her know Ill pay my normal TLN rate, she must sleep over the night before we go to the island and that she is coming NO CHARGE and ill cover her expenses of what ever she eats or drinks while she's with me that day. Usually they take the offer and enjoy themselves and I still get sex after the trip at no charge. Then I pay them agreed TLN price + taxi for her to go home. So I get one leche before bed, one leche when I wake up, and one leche when we get back from the island.

To sum it all up.

What you don't want is for some random girl you just met last night at the Clock Tower to charge you for the day, then have her eating on your dime, then charge you extra for sex after you get back to the dock.

I get them on the boat for free since we have a mutual understanding relationship, but since you are a new gringo with no prior experience with the chica you may have to pay a day rate of about 300 mil sex not included and pay for her food and drinks. Or negotiate a price with sex included after the trip and hope she does not give you the family emergency excuse after the trip ends and bail with your money.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2578110]So I am planning on booking my trip tomorrow. Looking at August 6-8th. Will be probably my 6th time in Cartagena and I was last there in December. Back then all you needed was the check mig. No test in or out.

I understand now from the USA you still need check mig, and then a test to get back into the USA. I've tried looking online. Where do you get the test in Cartagena? Any easy suggestions. Don't want to waste a lot of time with that.[/QUOTE]Don't worry. They are every where and will bug you just like the touts. If you are staying in an AirBB your no fuss no muss easy mode is to ask the host set it up for you where they come to the apartment and test you and give you results in 48 hours.

If you looked at the Cartagena US Embassy site it gives you a complete list of all places in Colombia you can get tested with locations and prices. I went that route and walked with the whole PDF and never even looked at it because every person that was selling boat tours was also setting up appointments for Covid tests where an actual nurse comes to your apartment in full scrubs test you, then email results in 24 hours. The only time I've ever found the touts useful.

Arrived in Cartagena today. About 930 I went to the club delirium. If you were into the club atmosphere; I would say it was 10 to 1 females. I definitely some diamonds in there.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2578110]So I am planning on booking my trip tomorrow. Looking at August 6-8th. Will be probably my 6th time in Cartagena and I was last there in December. Back then all you needed was the check mig. No test in or out.

I understand now from the USA you still need check mig, and then a test to get back into the USA. I've tried looking online. Where do you get the test in Cartagena? Any easy suggestions. Don't want to waste a lot of time with that.[/QUOTE]The airport.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2578021]I'm making my first trip to Cartagena next week. I'm aware of the ST and toda la noche prices but curious what's the right amount to offer girls going with you to Cholon / Rosario islands for the day. My and my boys are getting a yacht and plan to invite some girls too.[/QUOTE]The prices vary according to the girl but for the whole night or all day on a yacht in Cholon, they are between 300 K and 500 K COP, my advice is that the night before you go to Cholon, try to meet some girls establish a mutual connection and thus be able to obtain a much lower price, and if you can stay with her from the night before it would be ideal if you are interested I have contact with some university girls that you do not find in pages or discos or in the clock tower and It could come out at a better price.

Regards.

[QUOTE=ElPapi;2577695]Thank you OnFireBoy.

Folks OnFireBoy is a local in Cartegana and knows in and out of everything about Cartagena. During my last visit in March 2021, we meet with him and was a easy breeze with all the information. He took us to a local club outside of the old city and it was amazing and the girls were sexy and they have nice rooms inside the club if you want to do the deed. He has all good contacts of anything you need. Very trustworthy person and speak very good English. I recommend anyone going there first time or during the covid time reach out to him for up to date information about Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Thanks my friend, Hope to see you again.

Have any of you ever flown Spirit to Cartagena? I've never flown Spirit in general because of the reputation and the delays and such.

But looking at flights, Spirit has not only the best price but also the most convenient times that work for me. I just don't want to get caught up with flight delays and any other nonsense. I'm not looking for a super luxurious flight, just want something reliable.

If you've flown Spirit before, have you dealt with delays and such constantly? How was it overall?

Thanks.

Thanks for the info on the covid tests. Right after I posted I found lots of info. One major blog listed a lady that would come to your place. I'm staying at one of Juan's apartments.

I've been watching some youtube videos. Seems everything last 2 months was popping. However I just got on tinder again last night to do some scouting and surprised how few girls!?

I will be there July 30- August 1st.

As far as spirit. It's good if you do everything yourself! Do all.

The online check ins etc. Prices are a scam. They allow one personal item. A back pack that is! For carry on it's about 45 $ each way! I am going 2 nights so I can get away with a back pack. F that. I haven't had issues with delays. I go from ft Lauderdale to Ctg.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2578397]Have any of you ever flown Spirit to Cartagena? I've never flown Spirit in general because of the reputation and the delays and such.

But looking at flights, Spirit has not only the best price but also the most convenient times that work for me. I just don't want to get caught up with flight delays and any other nonsense. I'm not looking for a super luxurious flight, just want something reliable.

If you've flown Spirit before, have you dealt with delays and such constantly? How was it overall?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have a few cheap ass friends who went against my suggestions of the straight flight with JetBlue and used Spirit in the past. They could not stop complaining once they landed. They wanted to be cheap not realizing its a bare bones flight and they pack you in as much as the can. When you get on that plane its like you getting on the cheese bus full of weekend millionaires. Many of them don't know how to act in public. On 2 occasions my friends landed and when they get to Centro they telling me how these guys about to fight on the plane over some simple stupid shit.

If you are going to use them I would only use them for arrivals. I would never entrust them for a departure to get back home, they are notorious for delays and canceled flights. You do not want to be stranded abroad.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2578440]Thanks for the info on the covid tests. Right after I posted I found lots of info. One major blog listed a lady that would come to your place. I'm staying at one of Juan's apartments.

I've been watching some youtube videos. Seems everything last 2 months was popping. However I just got on tinder again last night to do some scouting and surprised how few girls!?

I will be there July 30- August 1st.

As far as spirit. It's good if you do everything yourself! Do all.

The online check ins etc. Prices are a scam. They allow one personal item. A back pack that is! For carry on it's about 45 $ each way! I am going 2 nights so I can get away with a back pack. F that. I haven't had issues with delays. I go from ft Lauderdale to Ctg.[/QUOTE]If you are staying at the apartment that I think you are staying, (2 bedroom with Jacuzzi) I have to warn you.

Both the bathrooms have no ventilation.

If you are 6' tall watch your head when entering the upstairs bathroom or front bedroom.

The young porter, if he still works there at night, just give him 50 mil pesos and tell him don't worry about the girls you will take care of it. This way they don't hold the girls ID and make the girls leave at dawn.

If you are not staying at that apartment then feel free to ignore everything above jajaja.

For Tinder, there are tons of chicas on there. You may have to adjust your settings. Put your location at the clock tower and set a 30 mile radius. To be honest the chicas you see on Tinder will be the same ones you will see at Playa Hollywood in the day time. The cap is 300 mil if you really want it, but always start off with 100 mil to see their reaction, 200 mil is the sweet spot. Don't tell any of those chicas that you are only there for the weekend or they will try to empty your pockets on day 1. Try not to talk to the girls too early on Tinder or they will be bugging you every day until you land, they will want you to to bring them something. Then when you land, that girl you thought was hot on tinder is nothing compared to the ones walking around right in front of your face and you will forget about her until you randomly bump into her one late night while you are with another girl (happened to me twice). I usually start talking to them the week of and tell them I'm here already there in Cartagena but I can only see you on XXXXXX days. XXXXX days will be when I actually land.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2578397]Have any of you ever flown Spirit to Cartagena? I've never flown Spirit in general because of the reputation and the delays and such.

But looking at flights, Spirit has not only the best price but also the most convenient times that work for me. I just don't want to get caught up with flight delays and any other nonsense. I'm not looking for a super luxurious flight, just want something reliable.

If you've flown Spirit before, have you dealt with delays and such constantly? How was it overall?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Spirit sucks. They charge extra for almost everything. Extra for seating, extra for carry-on, an extra for not being a club member.
The prices are cheap but the ride is not the most comfortable. For example, my friend did not know the names of the airlines. We book with JetBlue, Delta, and Spirit. As soon as he got off his flight from Spirit he said please don't let me fly with this airline again. The seats were killing me!
I only fly first class with Spirit. It's not that I have to have first class it's just spirits seats suck just that bad. I always add an extra hundred dollars no matter what price they are advertising.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2578397]Have any of you ever flown Spirit to Cartagena? I've never flown Spirit in general because of the reputation and the delays and such.

But looking at flights, Spirit has not only the best price but also the most convenient times that work for me. I just don't want to get caught up with flight delays and any other nonsense. I'm not looking for a super luxurious flight, just want something reliable.

If you've flown Spirit before, have you dealt with delays and such constantly? How was it overall?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]As Grown Man said, the regular Spirit seat is atrocious, and you'll be super miserable. Get a Big Front Seat for a little extra or at least an exit seat for a little less than BFS.

I have never experienced considerable delays on Spirit, but they do happen. They had significantly improved the on-time performance by 2020, though. Compared to their prior records.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2578376]The prices vary according to the girl but for the whole night or all day on a yacht in Cholon, they are between 300 K and 500 K COP, my advice is that the night before you go to Cholon, try to meet some girls establish a mutual connection and thus be able to obtain a much lower price, and if you can stay with her from the night before it would be ideal if you are interested I have contact with some university girls that you do not find in pages or discos or in the clock tower and It could come out at a better price.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I'll be getting to Cartagena first thing next week as well. I'd like to grab a drink with you and get advice about girls for my stay.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2576367]Which room did you rent that had a kitchen and balcony? And, you are saying that it is chica friendly? Did they ask for her cedula or exactly how did it work? [URL]https://viajerohostels.com/producto/cartagena/[/URL].[/QUOTE]The room I rented was called the superior apartment. Less than 200 USD for 5 days. Kitchen and balcony. Used the place twice last time I was there. The first of the year. No problems.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2578594]The room I rented was called the superior apartment. Less than 200 USD for 5 days. Kitchen and balcony. Used the place twice last time I was there. The first of the year. No problems.[/QUOTE]It is not the same place as your link. Go to Agoda and look for the El Viajero Hotel.

[QUOTE=Jefferson1993;2578493]I'll be getting to Cartagena first thing next week as well. I'd like to grab a drink with you and get advice about girls for my stay.[/QUOTE]Ok, amigo, I will be waiting for you, greetings.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2576367]Which room did you rent that had a kitchen and balcony? And, you are saying that it is chica friendly? Did they ask for her cedula or exactly how did it work? [URL]https://viajerohostels.com/producto/cartagena/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2578595]It is not the same place as your link. Go to Agoda and look for the El Viajero Hotel.[/QUOTE]Is this the place you are talking about? If so it is like 2 buildings down from La Dolce Vita.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site/[/URL]

Wondering if anyone here has ever strayed to Mompos or Mompox during a visit to CTG. Obviously, not a mongering destination but I have read it's a beautiful little town and one of the 'pueblo patrinomio' designated villages / towns in Colombia. I plan to come to CtG and stay a few weeks and looking for some other diversionary activities whilst in the area. Also interested in going to Rincóand Del Mar, a beach town south of CTG.

Last night I want to club delirium and space. Delirium is a hip-hop / Colombian music club. It's small and very crowded. About a five minute walk around the corner and you have space. Space is more techno. It's not as crowded and with or a crowded it's not into the hip-hop scene.

Club space had about 30 women in there. I counted maybe five guys including myself and Gogo. I kind of like the club but you had to buy a bottle to sit down or you stand up the whole night even with 10 to 20 dollar drinks in hand. The bartenders say it's the owners policy. And we stayed there for about 15 minutes and then my feet got tired. When we both left we felt like 50% of the guys had left the club. Chicas were still coming in.

We ended up on the rooftop of one of the clubs within the clock tower. Drinks were more reasonable. I didn't see any working girls.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2578770]Wondering if anyone here has ever strayed to Mompos or Mompox during a visit to CTG. Obviously, not a mongering destination but I have read it's a beautiful little town and one of the 'pueblo patrinomio' designated villages / towns in Colombia. I plan to come to CtG and stay a few weeks and looking for some other diversionary activities whilst in the area. Also interested in going to Rincand Del Mar, a beach town south of CTG.[/QUOTE]You must have a very strong desire to only be around locals and get away from Gringos LOL Why not go to Santa Marta instead of Rincon, that place looks like a fishing village with no commercial beach, just north (or as the coast goes) is Parque Nacional Natural Tayrona with Bahia Playa Concha which often shows up on lists of the prettiest beaches in the world, still rugged and underdeveloped like Rincon but not as out in the middle of know where and it has infrastructure to fall back on, I looked on Google Maps and did not see one four wheeled vehicle in Rincon.

Domestic flights are pretty cheap also once you rare on the ground there so you might even try to flu to Santa Marta, might even consider flying up to Medellin and then renting a car, there are several things do see in that vicinity, The Paisa Villages: Santa Fe de Antioquia and Santa Elena and the are called Gautape with its big famous rock, the lake area and the pueblo.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2578487]As Grown Man said, the regular Spirit seat is atrocious, and you'll be super miserable. Get a Big Front Seat for a little extra or at least an exit seat for a little less than BFS.

I have never experienced considerable delays on Spirit, but they do happen. They had significantly improved the on-time performance by 2020, though. Compared to their prior records.[/QUOTE]I have flown Spirit to Cartagena, Medellin, Bogota, Santo Domingo DR, San Jose Costa Rica, Las Vegas, and San Diego and I truly don't understand why Spirit has such a bad reputation. Of all the times I've flown I have only experienced one long delay coming back from Bogota and I missed my connection by five minutes. Even then they gave me a hotel room for the night and a food voucher and I ate pretty well with it. Truthfully the staff is very professional and I have never had a problem with them. In my opinion, some of the travelers especially when flying to American cities is where the problems come from. Some are very rude and not very sophisticated. That's probably why I've heard people who haven't flown them call it Soul Plane which is far from the truth.

Standing outside the clock tower; this young marina walks up to me. We converse a little and she gave me the price of 150,000. On a scale of 1 to 10 she was about a 6 .

She asked for my WhatsApp information and saw my daughter on my phone. She also had a daughter one years old that had a birthday the same day as mine.

Now what a coincidence. Little girls or boys thatI meet that share the same birthday as mine I adopt. I took this as a sign. She will be my choice for the night because I plan on spoiling her a little bit.

We get to my place and she asked for some cigarettes. I gave her 20,000 and she didn't return my change. Then she said she wanted to go and buy a beer. I asked her how much and she said 20,000.

OK here's another 20,000 but that's going to be -40,000 from our agreed price. She left and didn't come back.

Wow how did I almost slipped with a chica that petty. I walked outside thinking I could just grab from the group of Venezuelans that hang outside the hotel.

All of a sudden a very slim no Breast chica came up saying she's a friend of the chica who just left. Would I like to be with her. "Danger Will Robinson danger Will Robinson"! (Lost in space). The computer voice echoed in my head.

She and another girl came up and started propositioning me. On a scale of 1 to 10 both of them are about a four. No thank you I have Mary Jane in my room. I will cut my losses. I never felt so good after losing $20.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2578864]We get to my place and she asked for some cigarettes. I gave her 20,000 and she didn't return my change. Then she said she wanted to go and buy a beer. I asked her how much and she said 20,000.

OK here's another 20,000 but that's going to be -40,000 from our agreed price. She left and didn't come back.[/QUOTE]LOL. Man that is 2 sessions in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe!

This will be about my 7th or 8th trip to Colombia. I have been to MDE a couple of times and also visited the pueblo of Santa Fe. I went with a MDE non-pro chica I met on that trip. It was ok for a day visit but not a place I would want to spend a night. I have also been to Santa Marta a few times on excursions from CTG. I enjoyed it and had some good luck in Bananas but can't say the beaches did much for me. There are a couple of very nice boutique hotels to stay there that would cost two or three times as much in CTG. One day, I recall going to the beach in the center of town and noticed an old couch floating in the water. The water looked dirty too so did not linger.

I forgot to ask about Palomino a bit up the road from Santa Marta. Any comments on that beach town?

On another trip, I flew from MDE to isla San Andres. I went to a burdel of some sort near the airport and picked up a girl from MDE, ironically enough, but was not terribly impressed by the limited beaches or the town. I have also been fortunate to visit Barichara, Villa de Leyva, and some other Colombian designated pueblo patrinomios. They were all pretty cool but BYO as a limited mongering scene indeed.

So in addition to Rincóand, there are at least two offshore islands near there that apparently have great beaches, though not much else. It's true, the infrastructure is not as nice though I think Mompox may offer better accommodations. It's possible to visit these places from CTG on a day trip though the boat trip to the islands is longer than from Rincóand. From what I understand places like Rincon, Mompox (s), Palomino, etc. Do attract Colombian tourists but I don't see that as a negative. I would like to go to at least one nice Caribbean style beach, which is not possible in CTG. I did not like the hurried feel when I once visited the offshore islands close to CTG. I will check out your comments about Bahia Playa Concha.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2578843]You must have a very strong desire to only be around locals and get away from Gringos LOL Why not go to Santa Marta instead of Rincon, that place looks like a fishing village with no commercial beach, just north (or as the coast goes) is Parque Nacional Natural Tayrona with Bahia Playa Concha which often shows up on lists of the prettiest beaches in the world, still rugged and underdeveloped like Rincon but not as out in the middle of know where and it has infrastructure to fall back on, I looked on Google Maps and did not see one four wheeled vehicle in Rincon.

Domestic flights are pretty cheap also once you rare on the ground there so you might even try to flu to Santa Marta, might even consider flying up to Medellin and then renting a car, there are several things do see in that vicinity, The Paisa Villages: Santa Fe de Antioquia and Santa Elena and the are called Gautape with its big famous rock, the lake area and the pueblo.[/QUOTE]

Wzup fellas. I've been all over the world and have posted about it here for the last 15 years, but I think either the game has changed or I have gotten old. Before it was adventure over safety now it's safety over adventure. I chose to stay in the barrio even though everyone suggested Boca grande. If you know where Corales de India hotel is, I'm in the barrio right across the bride from that hotel. Seems I'm the only gringo here but it's not a bad spot. Probably should have stayed more south as it's an hour walk from my hotel to the walled city. Cab or Uber charges 8 k to 10 k depending on the time of day. Anyone know any spots here in this barrio that's safe let me know.

Met up with Grownman and we went to club delirium first. Crowded at 10 pm and 30 k for a Cuba libre (rum and coke). Hot girls there but didn't get prices because I wanted to hit more clubs. Went to Space next, same drink prices, not as crowded and the waitresses and girls were super friendly, I like this spot. Then hit the rooftop bar after you enter the clock tower. Nice spot, open aired, good music, couples and groups, but no working girls. This wasn't a problem because it was some older ladies with their friends who interested me. My preference is the 30-40 year old ladies.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2578864]Standing outside the clock tower; this young marina walks up to me. We converse a little and she gave me the price of 150,000. On a scale of 1 to 10 she was about a 6 .

She asked for my WhatsApp information and saw my daughter on my phone. She also had a daughter one years old that had a birthday the same day as mine.

Now what a coincidence. Little girls or boys thatI meet that share the same birthday as mine I adopt. I took this as a sign. She will be my choice for the night because I plan on spoiling her a little bit.

We get to my place and she asked for some cigarettes. I gave her 20,000 and she didn't return my change. Then she said she wanted to go and buy a beer. I asked her how much and she said 20,000.

OK here's another 20,000 but that's going to be -40,000 from our agreed price. She left and didn't come back.

Wow how did I almost slipped with a chica that petty. I walked outside thinking I could just grab from the group of Venezuelans that hang outside the hotel.

All of a sudden a very slim no Breast chica came up saying she's a friend of the chica who just left. Would I like to be with her. "Danger Will Robinson danger Will Robinson"! (Lost in space). The computer voice echoed in my head.[/QUOTE]Chances are some other gringo gave her a better deal when she went out to get the beer and she figured she already got 40 mil from one gringo for doing nothing and she can get her normal 300 mil from the other gringo.

I'm curious to know how things would have turned out if you didn't tell her it would be deducted from the agreed price and surprised her with that information at the end of the deed jajaja.

Woke at 8 am, no hangover effects from drinking last night, did a few push-ups jumped in the shower and headed out the door for my hour walk to Boca Grande. Met Grownman and Wood at a restaurant and we did the beach walk. Honestly I couldn't feel the beach vibe and I've been to beaches all over the globe. Usually I use the water for therapy but it didn't seem inviting, but I'm sure I will try again. Great eye candy and the hustlers were on us but we just acted deaf and kept walking. The fellas had plans so this allowed me private time to double back on a few waitresses solo. Made plans for later with one girl and stopped for some house supplies (Beer, water, juice, rum, coke and chocolate candy). Damn I forgot food so I walked outside and 8 people were eating some kind of soup. I asked if it was a restaurant here that was open and had good food and she no. Damn this is a different barrio, not even the guy on the corner with old chicken grilling.

The girl sensed my desperation and came to my rescue. She walked in a house two doors away and came back with a paper bowl of soup. Oh shit, my favorite San chocho. Didn't taste better than the Dominican Republic version but hit the spot. I offered to buy the girl and two others a few beers and next thing I know I'm family. Even the drunk Uncle kept trying to talk to me which I played " dumb gringo", no Spanish here sir. He never caught on even though me and the other girl were talking Spanish. He was just a drunk happy to have a new friend who would listen to him.

A few cubby single girls came out of nowhere and joined the party with an occasional glance at the new gringo. I'm glad I wasn't drinking rum yet or big girls would be in play. When I saw a Lee Haney (body building champion) dude come up in a dress I knew it was time to go.

So much for being low key in the hood, they treated the gringo nice.

Mr Gogo. Is Colombia still requiring all travelers have a PCR exam conducted 72 hours in advance?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2579100]
I'm curious to know how things would have turned out if you didn't tell her it would be deducted from the agreed price and surprised her with that information at the end of the deed jajaja.[/QUOTE]In the words of the great owl. " The world will never find out". I couldn't believe I let someone so petty get in my car for zone. I usually spot those types quickly.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2579236]Mr Gogo. Is Colombia still requiring all travelers have a PCR exam conducted 72 hours in advance?[/QUOTE]Hey Adinga,

No tests for entry. But you need a test for entry to America.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2579236]Mr Gogo. Is Colombia still requiring all travelers have a PCR exam conducted 72 hours in advance?[/QUOTE]There are no requirements currently to come to this country. Pardon me because you did not direct the question to me or the board.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2578376]The prices vary according to the girl but for the whole night or all day on a yacht in Cholon, they are between 300 K and 500 K COP, my advice is that the night before you go to Cholon, try to meet some girls establish a mutual connection and thus be able to obtain a much lower price, and if you can stay with her from the night before it would be ideal if you are interested I have contact with some university girls that you do not find in pages or discos or in the clock tower and It could come out at a better price.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the information and hospitality. Unfortunately I'm unable to PM on here to get your contact and take you up on that offer.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2578376] I have contact with some university girls that you do not find in pages or discos or in the clock tower
Regards.[/QUOTE]Your information is good but your reliability is in question. You send me a photo of one girl and I said she was nice. You never responded after that. That was three days ago. I'm not mad at you good luck in your " Chica / gringo connection business.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2578770]Wondering if anyone here has ever strayed to Mompos or Mompox during a visit to CTG. Obviously, not a mongering destination but I have read it's a beautiful little town and one of the 'pueblo patrinomio' designated villages / towns in Colombia. I plan to come to CtG and stay a few weeks and looking for some other diversionary activities whilst in the area. Also interested in going to Rincand Del Mar, a beach town south of CTG.[/QUOTE]Mompox is a destination not very visited by foreign tourists, the only access route is by land and it is about 5 hours from Cartagena, but I do not recommend going by bus, preferably renting a car or take a private service would be a much better option for safety, on the other hand, Rincon del Mar is a small fishing village, located on the western part of the Caribbean coast, 4 hours from Cartagena, Rincon is a hidden paradise. There are different hostels and two slightly higher standard establishments, and also the San Bernardo Islands are only 45 minutes away by boat.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2579536]I appreciate the information and hospitality. Unfortunately I'm unable to PM on here to get your contact and take you up on that offer.[/QUOTE]No problem, Any information you need just tell me here, no PM is needed for that.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2579578]Your information is good but your reliability is in question. You send me a photo of one girl and I said she was nice. You never responded after that. That was three days ago. I'm not mad at you good luck in your " Chica / gringo connection business.[/QUOTE]Friend, as I explained to you on WhatsApp, that day I had an emergency and I had to leave the city, I hope to meet you the next time you return to Cartagena, you are always welcome and as I told you this is not my business I only try to help them have a good time in my city.

Regards,

Onfireboy.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2579827]Friend, as I explained to you on WhatsApp, that day I had an emergency and I had to leave the city, I hope to meet you the next time you return to Cartagena, you are always welcome and as I told you this is not my business I only try to help them have a good time in my city.

Regards,

Onfireboy.[/QUOTE]No problem Sir. I hope we get a chance to meet.

Thanks for your opinion on Rincon Del Mar. Another poster here did not think highly of it but from what I have read previously and your comments, there are hints that it might be a hidden gem. However, a quick Google travel time inquiry stated it was 2 hours, 18 m from Cartagena. Google agreed with your stated drive time to Mompox from Cartagena with a 4 HR 55 m drive time. A bus does not sound like a good way to go there in that event. I can just imagine the condition of the bus. What do you think a private car would cost? If I rented a car, are the roads safe to drive for a tourist?

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2579823]Mompox is a destination not very visited by foreign tourists, the only access route is by land and it is about 5 hours from Cartagena, but I do not recommend going by bus, preferably renting a car or take a private service would be a much better option for safety, on the other hand, Rincon del Mar is a small fishing village, located on the western part of the Caribbean coast, 4 hours from Cartagena, Rincon is a hidden paradise. There are different hostels and two slightly higher standard establishments, and also the San Bernardo Islands are only 45 minutes away by boat.

Regards.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that s what I experienced. Very difficult scene at night, just not fun in the street.

And with the proliferation of boomboxes on the beach it's become extremely noisy. In fact it's noise all over town something that they're trying to take steps to deal with but I feel not very successfully. There's actually a number you can call to complain about the noise but don't know what it is.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2577405]I got no problem with the existence of touts trying to make a buck. I agree that this better than crime, better than doing nothing, better even than just begging. I have bought drinks, I have bought craft jewelry, I have bought hats and sunglasses, I do have a problem with all of them who do not know how to take no for an answer. I have a bigger problem with the fact that they have grown more and more intrusive.

I have been going to Cartagena for over ten years and it was never as bad as it is now. Not all of these people have anything to sell either. I was negotiating to pick up a cute blonde off a bench in Plaza de LOS Coches and while I was trying to negotiate a price and services with the chica I had a guy in my ear interrupting me trying to get me to buy jewelry, and then there had been a kid about thirteen years old sitting next to her starts telling me that she is his chica and I have to pay him so I can take her, he follows us all the way from the benches across the plaza, out the gate under the clock tower and down the sidewalk to the front of the taxi que yelling that I owe him money. So I tell her to translate and I say to him: since you feel so strongly about this we should probably let the police decide and I point out that there are some just up the sidewalk, then I mention that pimping is illegal in Colombia so he might have a harder time explaining why I owe him money to the police. Then we just get in the taxi and leave.

That's not someone trying to make an honest living, that's just a pest. The guy trying to talk in my ear while I was trying to negotiate with the chica never stood a chance of me buying anything from him. Too intrusive. I had similar experiences when I was trying to take photos with my DSLR around Plaza de San Pedro Claver, I would be trying to focus in with the camera to my eye and people would interrupt me. It didn't used to be this way.

When they go from being assertive to being intrusive to the point of being almost aggressive and they are interfering with what my actual reason for being there is they cross a line, I lose any desire to support their efforts.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's because I lived in Boca chica Dominican Republic for two years, but I haven't had any problems with the touts in Cartagena. Boca chica has the most aggressive touts in all the Caribbean. It's all in the attitude and vibe you give off. I walk around like they are invisible and I don't hear them. These guys are trained hustlers and read body language and emotions.

The entry questions are designed to give them information and draw you into their trap: where are you from?, I remember you?, my friend and my brother are the entry setup. Just looking at them is all they need. Getting agitated falls into their plan, they got you.

It's funny because I was sitting with my buddy yesterday at an outdoor cafe in the walled city and every tout went to him and never to me even though I'm sitting right next to him. He said damn why are they fucking with him and not me. I explained he was paying attention to them and then he felt he owed them an explanation. Saying I don't have money, or I'm sorry but I just brought something only adds to their game which is to get you to talk and sympathize with them. Nice guy shit don't work.

I guess it's hustlers code, because I don't see or hear them so they know I'm up on their bullshit and leave me alone.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;2579979]Maybe it's because I lived in Boca chica Dominican Republic for two years, but I haven't had any problems with the touts in Cartagena. Boca chica has the most aggressive touts in all the Caribbean. It's all in the attitude and vibe you give off. I walk around like they are invisible and I don't hear them. These guys are trained hustlers and read body language and emotions..[/QUOTE]"(necesitas encontrar un gringo Nuevo en tu país. Yo no soy".) you need to find a new gringo to your Country. I am not. Or a very quick Mutombo finger shake And a calm no. Even the Biggers gave up quickly.

The DR has more aggressive touts. Cartagena has aggressive beggars. I swear if they weren't children I would have smack a few for touching me. But I didn't experience no real issues this time.

My last Night and Cartagena I Found myself in delirium. I talked to a few chicas and got price ranges from 200/300. But they all gave see BJ's.

Saw a girl that was my look and body type. She came up and smiled at me and kiss me on the cheek. Dammit I must have had her. Yep now I remember. Sorry Mommy can't repeat with you because you give CBJs.

There was a beautiful chocolate one in there. And she was giving me the eye. She was perfect. Too perfect! Sorry mommy I just can't knowingly Do silicone.

Went to the clock tower and watched a silicone Parade. There were some very nice chicas available. Finally something caught my attention.

She was a brown skin Venezuelan. About 56 and 140 pounds. Said she had been there for eight months. To her Cartagena is America Compared to what her country was going through.

We agree 200 and BBJ. Her head game was a 7 1/2. She had energy and was very tight. She didn't mind the ground and pound. She seem to really enjoy that. A solid 8 1/2. I can repeat with her. Blessed her with a dress and her exit fee.

The next day it was either her or nothing. I had others call me but I need an eight or better guaranteed. If not cool, I'm flying to the DR today. I can make up there.

So out of four days in Cartagena; I had two girls. When was OK the other was a keeper. I exchange $400. I'm coming back with less than 150. Will I be back? Yes, maybe sometime this year.

On the other hand, my man Hollywood love Cartagena. Hollywood is a gym rat. He's about 250 of solid muscle mass. He caught a hold of a chica on tinder. Turns out she was Venezuelan.

He told us he think he has met his sex soulmate . He said she went round for round with him without a problem. He said he's never experienced a woman that could match his energy. He had two more sessions with her during our time there. He actually Extended another day to be with her.

Gogo also like to place however, we both agreed we enjoy the DR more. Gogo was planning on being there for a month. He may decide to cut his vacation short. I think he's going to double back to the DR.

Anyone know the best location on the Bocagrande for a beach visit? Looking for the best option to see ladies, best vibe, and served food option. Every time I visit, I seem to try a new location on the strip, but never really satisfied. Anyone has good intel on this?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;2579979]The entry questions are designed to give them information and draw you into their trap: where are you from?, I remember you?, my friend and my brother are the entry setup.[/QUOTE]If you are somewhere that nobody knows you and some local approaches you then they are looking for money. Have a friendly conversation if you have money for them. But I don't even let them get close. I shake my head no and wag my finger as soon as I see them approaching.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2580066].On the other hand, my man Hollywood love Cartagena. Hollywood is a gym rat. He's about 250 of solid muscle mass. He caught a hold of a chica on tinder. Turns out she was Venezuelan.

He told us he think he has met his sex soulmate . He said she went round for round with him without a problem. He said he's never experienced a woman that could match his energy. He had two more sessions with her during our time there. He actually Extended another day to be with her.[/QUOTE]Don't take him to Rio. You would not get him to go back home.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2579827]Friend, as I explained to you on WhatsApp, that day I had an emergency and I had to leave the city, I hope to meet you the next time you return to Cartagena, you are always welcome and as I told you this is not my business I only try to help them have a good time in my city.

Regards,

Onfireboy.[/QUOTE]I agree Onfireboy is very much reliable and does not to do anything business related. Folks like me who struggle in Spanish language his help makes our trip more enjoyable. I remember he does have a full time job in renowned company in Cartagena. I strongly recommend Onfireboy to anyone if they need any information.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2580066]My last Night and Cartagena I Found myself in delirium. I talked to a few chicas and got price ranges from 200/300. But they all gave see BJ's.

Saw a girl that was my look and body type. She came up and smiled at me and kiss me on the cheek. Dammit I must have had her. Yep now I remember. Sorry Mommy can't repeat with you because you give CBJs.

There was a beautiful chocolate one in there. And she was giving me the eye. She was perfect. Too perfect! Sorry mommy I just can't knowingly Do silicone.

Went to the clock tower and watched a silicone Parade. There were some very nice chicas available. Finally something caught my attention.[/QUOTE]Delirium girls were looking too good to be true, bodacious. I just wish there was more dancing and less standing around. Would probably be better if we had a table, but I ended up at Space. How early do you need to show up to get a table at Delirium?

[QUOTE=Jefferson1993;2580126]Delirium girls were looking too good to be true, bodacious. I just wish there was more dancing and less standing around. Would probably be better if we had a table, but I ended up at Space. How early do you need to show up to get a table at Delirium?[/QUOTE]Delirium does not have a good layout for seating and seeing the talent. The only option is against the left wall as you walk in or upstairs. But if you sit against the wall it gets so packed from people just standing around they will block your view of the new talent coming in and heading to the bathroom or upstairs. If you get upstairs you can look don and see whose coming in but by the time yo get down there to them or wave them to come up to you, the chica have to go through the gauntlet of mongers throwing prices at her before she gets to you to hear your price.

IMO, Space and Dulce are better, you can sit, its not too crowded and you see all the talent come and go.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2580066]My last Night and Cartagena I Found myself in delirium. I talked to a few chicas and got price ranges from 200/300. But they all gave see BJ's.[/QUOTE]Are 200/300 in dollars or pesos? Was that TLN or por hora?

200/300 mil por hora is normal and a fair price. If you did the hour I'm surprised the chicas went for it. When I was there a couple months back in the clubs, they only wanted TLN at high prices. Looks like prices are going back to normal. I might have to fly back down there next month and enjoy the the prices before they get inflated again.

How strict is the 12 am curfew being enforced?

[QUOTE=Jefferson1993;2580126]Delirium girls were looking too good to be true, bodacious. I just wish there was more dancing and less standing around. Would probably be better if we had a table, but I ended up at Space. How early do you need to show up to get a table at Delirium?[/QUOTE]That's a good question. I always seem to find myself sitting on the speaker by the bathroom.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2580171]Are 200/300 in dollars or pesos? Was that TLN or por hora?

200/300 mil por hora is normal and a fair price. If you did the hour I'm surprised the chicas went for it. When I was there a couple months back in the clubs, they only wanted TLN at high prices. Looks like prices are going back to normal. I might have to fly back down there next month and enjoy the the prices before they get inflated again.[/QUOTE]Pesos of course. It was OK price but the CBJ I cannot deal with.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2580171]Are 200/300 in dollars or pesos? Was that TLN or por hora?

200/300 mil por hora is normal and a fair price. If you did the hour I'm surprised the chicas went for it. When I was there a couple months back in the clubs, they only wanted TLN at high prices. Looks like prices are going back to normal. I might have to fly back down there next month and enjoy the the prices before they get inflated again.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, though you probably already know, when he says 200/300 pesos he means 200,000 and 300,000 Colombian pesos which is more often expressed as 200 k cop and 300 k cop. As far as "por hora" it is not advisable to negotiate a specific time unless you want toda la noche, best to negotiate your expectations of the services you expect so you do not end up with a clock watcher.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2580296]How strict is the 12 am curfew being enforced?[/QUOTE]My friend there are more places to continue with the party until 12 am.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2580608]Just to clarify, though you probably already know, when he says 200/300 pesos he means 200,000 and 300,000 Colombian pesos which is more often expressed as 200 k cop and 300 k cop. As far as "por hora" it is not advisable to negotiate a specific time unless you want toda la noche, best to negotiate your expectations of the services you expect so you do not end up with a clock watcher.[/QUOTE]No mater how I negotiate with these new chicas, most of them always have a trick up their sleeve that makes me just goes back to my regular chicas. My regular chicas never watch the clock, try to rush me, or put a limit on how many times we fuck over night.

But these new younger chicas are about getting as much as they can with as little work and time.

If I negotiate for time they watch the clock.

If I negotiate per leche they rush the first one, then as soon as it finishes the want to go again and try to rush the second one that just bruises up the cock leaving it sore.

If I negotiate TLN they try to say you only get 2 leche, 1 before bed, and one in the morning.

Although my regular chicas are good, they are starting to show their age so I'm trying to retire them, and get new younger ones with less mileage.

[QUOTE=Evac305;2580296]How strict is the 12 am curfew being enforced?[/QUOTE]You do have to be careful though I got caught at a police checkpoint on my way back to the hotel a few days ago. They were talking about me having to go to the police station and showed me some website talking about a 900,000+ fine. I told them that was ridiculous and they wanted to know how much I had on me. Luckily I had my money separated and convinced them all I had was 120 k cop. Not fun.

[QUOTE=Jefferson1993;2580885]You do have to be careful though I got caught at a police checkpoint on my way back to the hotel a few days ago. They were talking about me having to go to the police station and showed me some website talking about a 900,000+ fine. I told them that was ridiculous and they wanted to know how much I had on me. Luckily I had my money separated and convinced them all I had was 120 k cop. Not fun.[/QUOTE]Same here. I paid 200.000 . Was a pretty scary situation. I came back from pley club.

At Grownman:

Your Inbox is full.

Does anyone have a Gymnasium they can recommend in El Loquito? I need a place that offers daily / weekly plans at reasonable rates.

[QUOTE=Adinga;2581775]Does anyone have a Gymnasium they can recommend in El Loquito? I need a place that offers daily / weekly plans at reasonable rates.[/QUOTE]There's a very good gym.

[QUOTE=Berliner2021;2581110]At Grownman:

Your Inbox is full.[/QUOTE]I just cleared out some notes hopefully that will work.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2570586]The girls usually pay attention to the type of wristbands the guy at the door puts on you as it lets the girls know if you are a baller or not. I usually tell them give me the regular band to avoid the gringo prices from the chicas.[/QUOTE]What do the different colors mean? I got a white wristband after I was leaving, does that make me a gringo?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kj2Tw8EB1s[/URL]

Curfew.

I heard that all of Colombia will have Curfew starting tonight.

The latest this morning from Jesus: "Hello, good morning, today.

Monday everything is normal, there are many police in the streets.

Many cities on alert, tomorrow there will be marches and protests.

There is a curfew and alcohol consumption is prohibited. ".

Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on, our man in the streets.

He is in Cali, WhatsApp: 57-323-586-6627.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2582014]Curfew.

I heard that all of Colombia will have Curfew starting tonight.

The latest this morning from Jesus: "Hello, good morning, today.

Monday everything is normal, there are many police in the streets.

Many cities on alert, tomorrow there will be marches and protests.

There is a curfew and alcohol consumption is prohibited. ".

Contact Jesus, he will let you know what's going on, our man in the streets.

He is in Cali, WhatsApp: 57-323-586-6627.[/QUOTE]Here is an article that explains the route of the protest March and shows the route in Cartagena. Looks like the areas they are going into are Manga and Getsemani and the edge of Bocagrande. I have yet to hear of any protests in Cartagena turning into a riot or getting violent the way they do in other major cities (especially Cali) but one never knows. There are reports that fringe groups are going to try to turn the demonstrations violent in some cities.

Regardless of that it is definitely not good for traffic. Especially disrupting is going to be that the March is ending at the space at the neck of the peninsula where Bocagrande starts, and there is for all practical purposes only one road leading from Bocagrande to the Old City (Carrera 1 along the coast is one way) so that is going to be a hassle for anyone making there way between the Old City and either El Laguito, Bocagrande, or Castillo Grande.

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/paro-nacional-este-es-el-recorrido-de-la-marcha-del-20-de-julio-en-cartagena-FD5027351[/URL]

So it sounds like this curfew is just a reaction to some protests going on now? I have a trip scheduled July 30th!

Well after a quick google, I am a bit confused. Just read they are limiting to 30% capacity and limiting alcohol sales after 10 pm. But the article says it does not include bars and clubs? It does say it's due to a rapid increase in cases from 15-29 yr old.

[URL]https://murciatoday.com/murcia_reduces_internal_bar_and_restaurant_capacity_to_30_per_cent_in_31_municipalities_1618880-a.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2582138]Well after a quick google, I am a bit confused. Just read they are limiting to 30% capacity and limiting alcohol sales after 10 pm. But the article says it does not include bars and clubs? It does say it's due to a rapid increase in cases from 15-29 yr old.

[URL]https://murciatoday.com/murcia_reduces_internal_bar_and_restaurant_capacity_to_30_per_cent_in_31_municipalities_1618880-a.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You are mixing up Cartagena, Murcia region, Spain and Cartagena de Indias, Colombia.

[QUOTE=Questner;2582193]You are mixing up Cartagena, Murcia region, Spain and Cartagena de Indias, Colombia.[/QUOTE]Did you read that a group of French football supporters was found wandering around in Bucarest few weeks ago. They planned to go supporting the French team playing in Budapest for the European Championship, but they bought the wrong flight ticket. They found the hard way that 1) Bucarest is not Budapest 2) studying some basic Geography at school is still a good thing, and it did not become pointless just because there is Google on the phone.

Well my bad. But glad to be wrong on this occasion!

[QUOTE=Adinga;2581775]Does anyone have a Gymnasium they can recommend in El Loquito? I need a place that offers daily / weekly plans at reasonable rates.[/QUOTE]I tried to Google "el loquito gymnasium" but I am not sure if what comes out is what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Rzrfl69;2582330]Well my bad. But glad to be wrong on this occasion![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2582485]I tried to Google "el loquito gymnasium" but I am not sure if what comes out is what you are looking for.[/QUOTE]El Laguito is a pretty small place too be looking for a gym I think, Bocagrande is just next to El Laguito and would be big enough to maybe have something like that. I don't know that there's not one in Laguito, I just know that Laguito is pretty damn small. Its like the equivalence of three average city blocks long, you can walk from one end to the other in like less than 10 minutes, Bocagrande is five to ten times the size.

I saw where somebody on a Facebook page called Expats In Cartagena mentioned the possibility of getting a day pass at a place called BodyTech that has a location in Bocagrande. The location is on a shopping commercial building that fronts up on the ocean just south of Calle 13. I am posting some photos I clipped from Google Maps. One is from the beach so you can see most of the whole building, the other is up closer so you can see the Gym name.

[URL]https://bodytech.com.co/sedes/bocagrande[/URL]

This is the phone number on their website (scroll to bottom and click 'contacto") - which I admit I do not understand. It is a lot of digits.

01 8000 182 639.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2581823]What do the different colors mean? I got a white wristband after I was leaving, does that make me a gringo?[/QUOTE]Its more of an observation of whose wearing what bands, perhaps I'm wrong and I would like to be wrong on this. If so, someone tell me its all in my head and correct me.

My group and I have never had to pay a cover charge to get in for years, so why the wrist bands at all? Then once you get in you realize some guys are wearing wrist bands and some aren't and the ones who are not wearing them looks like local guys who live there as opposed to those who are visiting. I've seen them give yellow bands to one set of guys and blue to another group. Or red band to one group and white to another group. Then I notice depending on the bands color the girls will flirt harder or try to get your attention harder.

I love the place though, all flavors and I have met some of the most fun girls in there I still see years after.

I'm getting ready to head back to CTG and started talking to my chicas. They are telling me the price might be different when I get there because allot of guys are asking the chicas TLN the prices in dollars and the girls are telling them $300 or $400 they are paying it and the girls are laughing at them. Now I know where they come from $300 for the night may seem like a bargain when they are accustom to pay $300 for the hour but paying $300 for the night is more than twice the price in COP.

This is aimed to the newer mongers.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2582574]El Laguito is a pretty small place too be looking for a gym I think,[/QUOTE]ROFL. I think you did not catch my humour, or if you prefer my humour was not that good or not clear enough.

This person asked about a gym at "El Loquito" not at Laguito. He repeated the same in the post title, so he must be sure that the place is Loquito and not Laguito.

If you Google "El Loquito gymnasium", first photos are about gay places and people.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2582743]ROFL. I think you did not catch my humour, or if you prefer my humour was not that good or not clear enough.

This person asked about a gym at "El Loquito" not at Laguito. He repeated the same in the post title, so he must be sure that the place is Loquito and not Laguito.

If you Google "El Loquito gymnasium", first photos are about gay places and people.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but yes I did miss it. I did not see the q in laquito in your post but now I see the humor in it.

I had originally posted this under the lists section, but in talking to a number of folks they never even scroll down that far so I am going to see if the Admin will let me post under trip reports hoping that more people read this section and will respond.

With COVID continually impacting what is open I was hoping for some up to date information since I will be in CTG Tomorrow for 4 nights. We have stayed within the Old City on our past 2 trips, but are looking to find some local venues. If anyone could provide current information on what casas, strip clubs, and massage parlors are open and any recommendations on spots not to miss it would be greatly appreciated. Also, we would love to know about any bars beyond Space, Vita and Delirium in the Old City or Getsemani with free lancers that are open or have any action at this point. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Phuket90;2581076]Same here. I paid 200.000 . Was a pretty scary situation. I came back from pley club.[/QUOTE]I did warn you guys about that. It's a scam. If you don't plan on leaving the club until 5 am don't even bother. The taxis will bring you to the check point to get shaken down be careful.

[QUOTE=CougarMw;2582808]I had originally posted this under the lists section, but in talking to a number of folks they never even scroll down that far so I am going to see if the Admin will let me post under trip reports hoping that more people read this section and will respond.

With COVID continually impacting what is open I was hoping for some up to date information since I will be in CTG Tomorrow for 4 nights. We have stayed within the Old City on our past 2 trips, but are looking to find some local venues. If anyone could provide current information on what casas, strip clubs, and massage parlors are open and any recommendations on spots not to miss it would be greatly appreciated. Also, we would love to know about any bars beyond Space, Vita and Delirium in the Old City or Getsemani with free lancers that are open or have any action at this point. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mr. Babilla. An OK place. Most girls are not technically there to get gringos. But if your Spanish is good and you don't have to pull out the translator app you may be able to talk to one and get her back to your room without advertising to the whole club your a gringo, she's a puta, and you're about to pay for some pussy.

Walk down Calle 24 in Getsemani, there are a few clubs along the way.

Remember allot of these girls are pros or semi pros. As long as you don't make it obvious what you are doing won't turn down the offer as they could always use the extra money.

Had a pretty good time.

Prices all over CTG was 300-600 COP TLN. I never did short time. I had only one runner.

Coming back about the middle of September. Was staying at the El Viajero in the superior apartment but accidently canceled it. Will find a place in the walled city but my last airbnb is booked. They had no problem with guests. So looking for a recommendation for a guest friendly airbnb or any guest friendly place with a kitchen.

Would also like to use the guys I have heard about on here to line up a couple of women. I used Dulce Vita, the Clock Tower Plaza and another club I can't remember the name of last time. Had great results. Would be nice to stay in a nice place with a balcony. Of all the places in the world I have done some mongering, I like Cartagena the best. Maybe meet a few of you guys while I am there.

Anybody planning a trip anywhere in the world, might find this useful: [URL]https://www.skyscanner.ie/travel-restrictions/colombia/29475425[/URL] It lists by colour code the level of restritions in most countries with "green" being the easiest to enter. To use it, you will need to change your country of origin in the drop-down menu.

A word of warning, I needed to use it to check the rules on returning from Japan. My wife is currently there visiting her family. According to this site, she will have to go into hotel quarantine on her return later this week, but looking at Irish gov sites, Japan has no restrictions for those returning to Ireland. I'd suggest that the real benefit of this site is assessing which countries are easiest to enter, and that you should rely on sites in your own countries to confirm what restrictions there are on returning home.

Anyway, I was on this forum looking at Cartagena a few weeks back, and suddenly there was a rapid spike in infections, just about the same time as it was announced that Phuket would be reopening. I booked a ticket with Qatar Airways. I'd recommend them if you can use them because their cancellation policy is they will give you a full cash refund if you cancel up to three hours before scheduled take-off. I have since cancelled. They have cancelled all flights transiting through the UK, which made my plans difficult but not impossible. However the real deal-breaker is that the Gov of Phuket are not allowing the bars to reopen. One did reopen on the first day, but it was closed the following day because of concerns over social distancing. It had about 40 customers. I have to ask, what did they expect if there was only one girly bar open. I should add that I am more barfly than beach bum. There was no way I could see myself having fun in a place that looks like Riyadh on a Friday morning during Ramadhan.

So now I am back looking at CTG again. Things are looking better in terms of infections. The active cases have decreased by 40 % in the past 4 weeks. If it carries on like this, I expect to arrive in four weeks.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2570586]
Delirium is a total shit show. Way too small and way too packed, too many hookahs, you step in and by the time you step out the smoke smell in all in your clothes and hair. As soon as you step in its like you are walking into a NBA / NFL locker room, filled with black guys upstairs and downstairs. [/QUOTE]I was in downtown Medellin the other day and after a fabulous session with a Venezolana, I was chilling and to my surprise I saw a group of about 20 big dudes that look like they were part of football team. They had a local tour guide showing them around. I know a lot more crews are coming to Colombia but this was the biggest group of dudes I've seen. Kinda interesting seeing dudes that big surrounded by the mostly slim and shorter Colombians who many look like they only eat 1 meal a day.

The pic captured a few of the Americans.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2584488]I was in downtown Medellin the other day and after a fabulous session with a Venezolana, I was chilling and to my surprise I saw a group of about 20 big dudes that look like they were part of football team. They had a local tour guide showing them around. I know a lot more crews are coming to Colombia but this was the biggest group of dudes I've seen. Kinda interesting seeing dudes that big surrounded by the mostly slim and shorter Colombians who many look like they only eat 1 meal a day.

The pic captured a few of the Americans.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's the same stupid stuff that I saw in Cartagena. Gringo posses of low ballers, who like to put their DNA all over chicas and then split.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2584488]I was in downtown Medellin the other day and after a fabulous session with a Venezolana, I was chilling and to my surprise I saw a group of about 20 big dudes that look like they were part of football team. They had a local tour guide showing them around. I know a lot more crews are coming to Colombia but this was the biggest group of dudes I've seen. Kinda interesting seeing dudes that big surrounded by the mostly slim and shorter Colombians who many look like they only eat 1 meal a day.

The pic captured a few of the Americans.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to see more brothers travelling and experiencing things besides what we have to accept as normal in America but I wish they would leave the whole "Squad" mentality back home. They don't need a whole team with them, just one or two friends and that's it.

When run into these type of groups in the club I usually have to make it clear to the chicas that I'm not part of that group so I don't get pulled into the stigma those guys put off.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2584525]I'm happy to see more brothers travelling and experiencing things besides what we have to accept as normal in America but I wish they would leave the whole "Squad" mentality back home. They don't need a whole team with them, just one or two friends and that's it
When run into these type of groups in the club I usually have to make it clear to the chicas that I'm not part of that group so I don't get pulled into the stigma those guys put off.[/QUOTE]

On the beach when these posses show up all the massage ladies all the chicas, anyone with anything to sell swarms them-- it's a sea of fuchsia. It's like the pelicans when the fishermen bring in the nets..... And then they pretend it's like a club they want the girls to sit on their laps, buy them if you drinks take their phone number and split..... Girls are looking around like what happened?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2584488]I was in downtown Medellin the other day and after a fabulous session with a Venezolana, I was chilling and to my surprise I saw a group of about 20 big dudes that look like they were part of football team. They had a local tour guide showing them around. I know a lot more crews are coming to Colombia but this was the biggest group of dudes I've seen. Kinda interesting seeing dudes that big surrounded by the mostly slim and shorter Colombians who many look like they only eat 1 meal a day.

The pic captured a few of the Americans.[/QUOTE]I think youtube has encouraged the pack mentality. It's I saw small crews back in 2010-11. Plus a lot of dudes rolling solo.

I'm in Cartagena now and I'm seeing American couples! LOL.

I arrives in Cartagena Saturday. Spent the first two days in Laguito. Had an amiga come by the first night. Good as always. Centro was lit! Way more chicas than dudes LDV had hotter chicas than delirium. It varies night to night. Had a good time but didn't do a second pull. Day 2 hit Hollywood beach. Not many chicas, 2 groups of trannys. It was weird. Moved away from them down the beach and chilled. That night bar hoped centro with some America dudes I met. Pulled a smoking Venezuelan out of LDV, we had good chemistry immediately, may have helped that I was decently dressed, dunno. I'm cities like Cartagena, Medellíand, Panama etc, I try to where pants downtown at night. Anyway, I just offered 300 k, sexo con condom pero tubme chupas sin condom. She accepted. Straight GFE! A very nice experience.

Day 3 had to move to Bocagrande. I'm familiar with Laguito but not Bocagrande. Wandered around a but. Ended back on playa hollywood. This time alot of hot women. Got a number from a cute Venezuelan, buy ended up leaving with a hotter colombiana, dark skin, amazing body. Made the same offer, but by now I had bought her and her friend beers, no big.

Gie. Nice BBBJ, then she attacked my stick like she hadn't had sex in years! Lmao! Crazy! We Straight fu#the! Didn't go to centro last night. Old man had to rest! We'll see what tonight brings! Cartagena is lit!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2585214]That night bar hoped centro with some America dudes I met. [/QUOTE]Umm hm. So now you rollin with a pack!

Brother P if you are offering $300 mil for 1 hour they will accept 90% of the time. That # on the high side.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2585227]Umm hm. So now you rollin with a pack![/QUOTE]It's cool to meet people and kick it! Trust and believe I still do me! I have no problem saying imma catch yall cats later! LOL!

What's up fellas, I'm visiting Cartagena for the first time in August. I'm very excited, however I won't have time to see some ladies on my own as much, bc I'm traveling w family, and wifey in the midst. I was wondering what would be your tips (if any) in order for me to spend time with a girl, like what location should I visit? Etc. I'm in nyc and here we have locations we just go in and do our thing and be out fast. Is there such thing in Cartagena or is everything street walkers and hotel bookings? Let the boy know.

[QUOTE=NycNewbie;2585397]What's up fellas, I'm visiting Cartagena for the first time in August. I'm very excited, however I won't have time to see some ladies on my own as much, bc I'm traveling w family, and wifey in the midst. I was wondering what would be your tips (if any) in order for me to spend time with a girl, like what location should I visit? Etc. I'm in nyc and here we have locations we just go in and do our thing and be out fast. Is there such thing in Cartagena or is everything street walkers and hotel bookings? Let the boy know.[/QUOTE]There are casas all over. But you going to need local help. I'd contact the guy mentioned a few pages back. He can guide you If you can get over alone to Hollywood Beach during the day, Tony will set you up. Make sure its the real Tony, he spraks English pretty well.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2585479]There are casas all over. But you going to need local help. I'd contact the guy mentioned a few pages back. He can guide you If you can get over alone to Hollywood Beach during the day, Tony will set you up. Make sure its the real Tony, he spraks English pretty well.[/QUOTE]He definitely has hookups and can find girls on the beach. But he is still a tout and will take you for as much as you let him. Be sure to ask what the prices of stuff is. The tabs he brings will probably be at least 50% inflated maybe more. Pay for what you consumed, and by all means tip but don't go overboard. If he does find you a girl on the beach he gets his cut from the girl you down owe him anything more.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2585278]Brother P if you are offering $300 mil for 1 hour they will accept 90% of the time. That # on the high side.[/QUOTE]It's on the high side. I used to make a point of talking.

Them down. I guess I'm not as cheap as I used to be. So far all have given good service and BBBJ, so I aint complaining bro!

Met a friend on the beach. He showed up with a case of beer. LOL.

Apparently they don't mind the beer if you pay 20000 for the chairs and umbrella. Plenty of cuties on the beach!

Hit centro, more cuties in ldv than delirium, a good time. Got a few numbers.

Decided to do a repeat, offered her 500 k todo la noche, sexo esta noche y en la maana, me chupas sin condom. A good night, fun, great BBBJ good sex, slept cuddled. LOL. Every now and then I need that. In the morning she got right to it! All good!

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2585214]I arrives in Cartagena Saturday. Spent the first two days in Laguito. Had an amiga come by the first night. Good as always. Centro was lit! Way more chicas than dudes LDV had hotter chicas than delirium. It varies night to night. Had a good time but didn't do a second pull. Day 2 hit Hollywood beach. Not many chicas, 2 groups of trannys. It was weird. Moved away from them down the beach and chilled. That night bar hoped centro with some America dudes I met. Pulled a smoking Venezuelan out of LDV, we had good chemistry immediately, may have helped that I was decently dressed, dunno. I'm cities like Cartagena, Medelland, Panama etc, I try to where pants downtown at night. Anyway, I just offered 300 k, sexo con condom pero tubme chupas sin condom. She accepted. Straight GFE! A very nice experience.

Day 3 had to move to Bocagrande. I'm familiar with Laguito but not Bocagrande. Wandered around a but. Ended back on playa hollywood. This time alot of hot women. Got a number from a cute Venezuelan, buy ended up leaving with a hotter colombiana, dark skin, amazing body. Made the same offer, but by now I had bought her and her friend beers, no big.

Gie. Nice BBBJ, then she attacked my stick like she hadn't had sex in years! Lmao! Crazy! We Straight fu#the! Didn't go to centro last night. Old man had to rest! We'll see what tonight brings! Cartagena is lit![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2585278]Brother P if you are offering $300 mil for 1 hour they will accept 90% of the time. That # on the high side.[/QUOTE]To each his own. I was in Cartagena 3 weeks ago and yes the clock tower was swarming with some great looking chicas including Vennies and costenas and paisas and rollas BUT just returned home here to Medellin and as an example yesterday needed some car upgrades done in centro Medellin so afterwards headed to centro (the vera and botero) and found 2 new fresh and sweet Vennies with great attitudes and the sex was full GFE (nothing like teenage pussy) and the first Vennie I gave 80 mil and the second Vennie I found a few hours later was 90 mil, this included a clean motel room for an hour.

A few days ago I met a new paisa chica, a dark black chica from Medellin but family from the Choco region, and took this sweet heart into a 5 mil room (you can just imagine the skanky-ness of it all) and had off the charts hard sex like we were long lost lovers back in our teenage years. The cost? A fucking 60 mil and this included the cheap ass 5 mil back room motel.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2585479]There are casas all over. But you going to need local help. I'd contact the guy mentioned a few pages back. He can guide you If you can get over alone to Hollywood Beach during the day, Tony will set you up. Make sure its the real Tony, he spraks English pretty well.[/QUOTE]Every time I go to the 24 hour drug store in Bocagrande across from Hotel Dorado this guy keep coming up to me introducing himself as Tony Montana and keeps saying he's Tony number 1. Then he starts offering me girls and pointing me to a currency exchange spot that was over by Hotel Beijing but for some odd reason earlier this year he points me to one right next to Hotel Dorado. Said they moved meanwhile I take it upon myself to go to the previous one he pointed me to the year before and I remember the same old guy behind the counter.

Then he starts getting mad when I say I don't want girls I just want to exchange money and be on my way. I never pay much attention to what he looks like but he's a older light skin Hispanic guy. What do the real Tony looks like?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2585479]There are casas all over. But you going to need local help. I'd contact the guy mentioned a few pages back. He can guide you If you can get over alone to Hollywood Beach during the day, Tony will set you up. Make sure its the real Tony, he spraks English pretty well.[/QUOTE]Go to the clock tower after 8 or 9 pm. (The later the more girls available). Ask a girl how much once you agree on a price they'll take you to a nearby hotel maybe 5 min walk. Do your thing and leave LOL.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2585687]Go to the clock tower after 8 or 9 pm. (The later the more girls available). Ask a girl how much once you agree on a price they'll take you to a nearby hotel maybe 5 min walk. Do your thing and leave LOL.[/QUOTE]If someone finds themselves at the clocktower at that time of night, they are already at a disadvantage. Clock tower prices are at the higher end start at 300 k mil. For 1 hour or 1 leche. Same chicas are at Playa Hollywood in the day starting at 150 k mil.

If someone have to ASK the girl how much then they are already at a disadvantage. Tell the chica what you are willing to pay, then when she counters you with a higher number, negotiate to an acceptable price. Remember, the short time hotel costs comes out of your pocket, not hers.

Do not talk to the chica in dollars. If she talk to you in dollars, counter her with pesos at a lower number.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2579922]Thanks for your opinion on Rincon Del Mar. Another poster here did not think highly of it but from what I have read previously and your comments, there are hints that it might be a hidden gem. However, a quick Google travel time inquiry stated it was 2 hours, 18 m from Cartagena. Google agreed with your stated drive time to Mompox from Cartagena with a 4 HR 55 m drive time. A bus does not sound like a good way to go there in that event. I can just imagine the condition of the bus. What do you think a private car would cost? If I rented a car, are the roads safe to drive for a tourist?[/QUOTE]Good news for you, form this month we have direct flights from Cartagena to Mompox, for date and prices you need to check directly on the airport the airline name is Servicio Aéreo Mompox, The flights will initially operate with three weekly frequencies, departing from Mompox at 7:00 am With the return at 4:00 pm, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Source:

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/cartagena/desde-este-viernes-opera-el-vuelo-cartagena-mompox-cartagena-LY5023951[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2585687]Go to the clock tower after 8 or 9 pm. (The later the more girls available). Ask a girl how much once you agree on a price they'll take you to a nearby hotel maybe 5 min walk. Do your thing and leave LOL.[/QUOTE]It's better if you can wait one hour or half an hour before the curfew starts, and try to get a better price, last week I was with a friend at the clock tower and We negotiate with two hot Venezuelans,' Toda la Noche' at 250 k COP, each.

Obviously, if you have a local costeño accent it will help a lot: the.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2585661]It's on the high side. I used to make a point of talking.

Them down. I guess I'm not as cheap as I used to be. So far all have given good service and BBBJ, so I aint complaining bro![/QUOTE]Great reports. Keep up the good work down there. Its been my experience in life that you get what you pay for and I always need that GFE and BBJ.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2585820]Its been my experience in life that you get what you pay for[/QUOTE]Certainly was not my experience with that Alfa Romeo I bought back in 1991. I paid for gold and I got a lemon.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2585837]Certainly was not my experience with that Alfa Romeo I bought back in 1991. I paid for gold and I got a lemon.[/QUOTE]Alfa Romeos suck. You should have known that.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2585795]It's better if you can wait one hour or half an hour before the curfew starts, and try to get a better price, last week I was with a friend at the clock tower and We negotiate with two hot Venezuelans,' Toda la Noche' at 250 k COP, each.

Obviously, if you have a local costeo accent it will help a lot: the.[/QUOTE]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?

During the meantime, I can't believe how difficult planning this trip is, particularly with regard to guest friendly hotels. I've never been a fan of ST hotels, and one that I saw on Youtube looked like the bailiffs had arrived and removed everything in the room including the carpets and replaced it with a bed from the local dump. You could not pay me to stay there. Other hotels generally were of the attitude that if you checked in with a girl, "OK", but if you changed girls, even though you paid the double room rate, that was not allowed or you had to pay a joiner fee.

So yesterday, I spent the day on Airbnb looking for rentals closes to Getsemani, and got my short list down to 15. I noticed that some of these were in the same ownership, so I thought it would be easier to ask about "guest friendly" to those who had 2 or more listings to help me reduce my short list. One has not replied. Another has said that all her props were in "respectable family areas". The third has said, "OK if they are of age but no wild parties". The last also said "No wild parties, and you must accept responsibility for the behaviour of your guest". My shortlist is now down to 4.

I am just waiting for the wife to return home from Japan tomorrow. She is part of the Japanese Olympic Nagging Team (hahaha). She has to undergo 5 days of self-isolation and a negative PCR test on Tuesday, after which I am free to book my trip.

The CV rates are improving rapidly in Colombia. Fatalities are down 60%, new cases down 65% and active cases, by 55% all in the last month. Things are looking good.

I am coming back in late September. Love the Clock tower and Club women and have been very happy with the results. Nothing like seeing and talking to the woman before you chose. But this trip I would like to take advantage of the hot women and lower prices on Hollywood Beach. How do I find Tony and how do I know I have the right one?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2578748]Is this the place you are talking about? If so it is like 2 buildings down from La Dolce Vita.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site/[/URL][/QUOTE]They have an apartment for rent with a kitchen and balcony. They are very guest friendly. In fact they are a Love Hotel with hourly rates I think.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?

During the meantime, I can't believe how difficult planning this trip is, particularly with regard to guest friendly hotels. I've never been a fan of ST hotels, and one that I saw on Youtube looked like the bailiffs had arrived and removed everything in the room including the carpets and replaced it with a bed from the local dump. You could not pay me to stay there. Other hotels generally were of the attitude that if you checked in with a girl, "OK", but if you changed girls, even though you paid the double room rate, that was not allowed or you had to pay a joiner fee..[/QUOTE]I was in Cartagena 3 weeks ago and Cucuta last week, my 3rd visit to Cucuta, I live in Medellin. No reason to bring sand to the beach so frankly why anyone would even suggest to hire a GF for 28 days is beyond my comprehension but whatever floats your boat.

I get it that we also have different sized wallets but 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels, if your damn determined to try it have at it but the culture of the chicas and your expectations will probably end in disappointment.

Have you considered Bogota? It is a big city and many options and venues available just about everywhere, not to be overshadowed by my home city of Medellin.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.

I would not try to import a working girl from Cucata, whether she is a Vennie or Colombiana. Your talking about spending a week with someone you don't know and is working the streets for a living and I don't see a positive outcome. Even three days could be problematic. Several years ago, I took a P4 P to San Andreas from MDE, actually two of them, and that was a disaster. They thought that in addition to what I agreed to pay them for their company, there would also be shopping trips etc included. The truth is most of us have nothing in common with these ladies. Some have hit the streets out of desperation or poverty, especially the Vennies, and most don't have near the education or language skills to enhance your side of the experience. You might even get bored screwing them after a few days when you consider all the other options out there.

Rent, don't buy.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?.[/QUOTE]I wish you the best of luck trying to get a chica for 250 k a day with sex included. With the amount of Americans going down there inflating the price it will be 300 k a day minimum with no sex included. Also don't take these girls from one region to another, you are asking for trouble. You can keep a girl for a few days, just make sure to send her ass home either every night or every morning over the course of those days. This is a new girl that you will just be meeting and you are there with no wingman, you do not want her to let her friends in while you are sleeping to tie you up and rob you. Desperation and poverty will cause people to do desperate things.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586010]I am coming back in late September. Love the Clock tower and Club women and have been very happy with the results. Nothing like seeing and talking to the woman before you chose. But this trip I would like to take advantage of the hot women and lower prices on Hollywood Beach. How do I find Tony and how do I know I have the right one?[/QUOTE]All those guys were numbers on their back I'll find out what his number is in a minute.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2586038]I would not try to import a working girl from Cucata, whether she is a Vennie or Colombiana. Your talking about spending a week with someone you don't know and is working the streets for a living and I don't see a positive outcome. Even three days could be problematic. Several years ago, I took a P4 P to San Andreas from MDE, actually two of them, and that was a disaster. They thought that in addition to what I agreed to pay them for their company, there would also be shopping trips etc included. The truth is most of us have nothing in common with these ladies. Some have hit the streets out of desperation or poverty, especially the Vennies, and most don't have near the education or language skills to enhance your side of the experience. You might even get bored screwing them after a few days when you consider all the other options out there.

Rent, don't buy.[/QUOTE]TYVM for the advice. Just to comment further Plan b.

I thought you might understand that I am renting and not buying. And most of my relationships are with girls I don't know with girls working the streets or the bars. As I said, there would be a "job interview" first and if she didn't pass, I'd try again with another candidate. I've spent several 10+ day stints with girls in, none of which I had anything in common with, and some of whom had no education and even less English. I'll come back to that shortly. But I think it's fair to say, I am not the hardest person to satisfy. If she can produce the happy ending. Is happy enough to be with me, and likes to drink, then she ticks most of my boxes.

Regarding education, I've told this story before, and quite possibly on here. So I am in Thailand and a girl chats to me with the usual opening gambit: "Where you from"?

"Ireland".

Her: "Holland"?

Me: "No. Ireland".

Her: "Island"? (meaning Iceland).

Me: "Irrrreland" (emphasising the "r" sound).

Her: "Irrreland".

Me: Yes. That's right. Do you know where that is"?

Her: "No".

Me: "Well you've just passed the intelligence test. Do you want a drink"?

Of course, in TH, there are plenty of foreigners so perhaps I can be one sided if I do need someone to talk to, and that might not be so available in Colombia. But I've found in TH and Cam in particular, the girl's prospect of "regular employment", nights out, shopping trips, restaurant dining and a nice room to go back to every night works well for me regardless of language barriers.

Regarding wanting to try other girls, that's always a factor. But as I originally said, I've often regretted changing girls. It took me a bit of time to discover it, but I've been with girls that were absolute stunners and often the girl's performance didn't match "the picture on the cover". I finally worked out that instead of looking for "10" girls, life was far better when I got a "10" experience.

Not sure if I will try "Plan b", but apart from the incompatibility issues that you raise, but I was also looking to see if anyone saw any logistical or legal probs in that? For example, it seems that most countries have a different interpretation of what constitutes "trafficking". I've checked out the PCR requirements and they are not needed on internal flights.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586010]I am coming back in late September. Love the Clock tower and Club women and have been very happy with the results. Nothing like seeing and talking to the woman before you chose. But this trip I would like to take advantage of the hot women and lower prices on Hollywood Beach. How do I find Tony and how do I know I have the right one?[/QUOTE]All those guys were numbers on their back I'll find out what his number is in a minute. Tony is a little fat these days and he's always got one of those green Playa Hollywood shirts on, about 40 years old. There are two bars at the end of the beach if you walking from Boca grande to Laguito go to the second to the last bar and ask for him if you have to. It's the largest of the bars and I believe it's actually called playa Hollywood.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2582635]I'm getting ready to head back to CTG and started talking to my chicas. They are telling me the price might be different when I get there because allot of guys are asking the chicas TLN the prices in dollars and the girls are telling them $300 or $400 they are paying it and the girls are laughing at them. Now I know where they come from $300 for the night may seem like a bargain when they are accustom to pay $300 for the hour but paying $300 for the night is more than twice the price in COP.

This is aimed to the newer mongers.[/QUOTE]Thanks Nypher,

Your infor is what I have been looking for on the form. Still a little confused if 300 USD is twice the amount for TLN what is the norm in COP as USD what 150 USD fair or too much for TLN? I have seen on the form a good price for TLN as stated at the clock as 250 COP as a bargain price before curfew and 300 to 400 at the clubs or 80 and 90 for ST don't know if USD or COP.

I rare if at all do ST nor ask price for ST but only TLN. I have been working in the DR 3 months out of each year but play else where like in Tijuana and Costa Rica (see Photo) and know cost very well. CTG play ground I have plan for next month and will be my 1st. I have RTFF but will also contact this Tony because I want to go to Hollywood beach and clubs Delirium, Space and Dulce and like him find me a few University young chica.

Again, thank you for your helpful information.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586010] How do I find Tony and how do I know I have the right one?[/QUOTE]At 1:31 he introduces Tony.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOr_tDC6_3U&t=438s[/URL]

At 2:30.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGd8sxqmsa4&t=151s[/URL]

Advosory: This is not an endorsement of Tony's services- this is becuase someone asked. I reccommned that if you use Tony's services, do so ony after after educating yourself to the costs.

Playa Hollywood all day! Near Tony but with Pedro. Too many cuties! Got a few numbers, another good day!

Hit centro at night, offered a smoking chica 300 k sexo con condom pero tu me chupas sin condom. She insisted on condom blow job so I passed. Ended up taking a cutie I had last trip for todo la noche. Good sex at night and the morning. Gave her 500 k. All good. Doing the same shit today!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2586035]I was in Cartagena 3 weeks ago and Cucuta last week, my 3rd visit to Cucuta, I live in Medellin. No reason to bring sand to the beach so frankly why anyone would even suggest to hire a GF for 28 days is beyond my comprehension but whatever floats your boat.

I get it that we also have different sized wallets but 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels, if your damn determined to try it have at it but the culture of the chicas and your expectations will probably end in disappointment.

Have you considered Bogota? It is a big city and many options and venues available just about everywhere, not to be overshadowed by my home city of Medellin.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply.

I am sorry I have to keep repeating this, but if I find someone I am happy with, I am quite prepared to keep them on "staff". I don't have many more trips left in me and I don't want the yoyo of, "Today is crap, and yesterday was so much better. If I get in the groove, I want to stay in the groove. It might take me a few days to find someone who fits the bill, but once I do why gamble?

I am not sure what you mean by, " 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels"? That's about the same price as I might expect to pay in TH. Am I overpaying? I see plenty of stories on here of girls asking for 300 K. If it's about "spoiling it for the rest of us", that hardly applies because from the responses I've seen so far, it appears nobody wants to keep a girl for longer than two or three days.

I did consider Medellin and Bogota. I really don't fancy the latter.

News flash, you do not need Tony to talk to girls on Hollywood beach. Find a girl you like, call her over and use a app to translate. Not exactly the hardest thing in the world. Also short time from the beach should be no more than $200 mil pesos. Unless your extremely unattractive girls will agree to this price.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586045]I wish you the best of luck trying to get a chica for 250 k a day with sex included. With the amount of Americans going down there inflating the price it will be 300 k a day minimum with no sex included. Also don't take these girls from one region to another, you are asking for trouble. You can keep a girl for a few days, just make sure to send her ass home either every night or every morning over the course of those days. This is a new girl that you will just be meeting and you are there with no wingman, you do not want her to let her friends in while you are sleeping to tie you up and rob you. Desperation and poverty will cause people to do desperate things.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input, I am assuming from what The Tall Man says, that he appears to think that 250 K is too high. If so, your opinion leaves me confused. Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage and the security of knowing that she will not have go back to say, the clock tower tomorrow in the hope of finding her next customer. Others will know better than me, but is that so unattractive?

Regarding a "wingman", this will my 27th trip since 2006, and I've never needed a wingman yet. In fact the worst trip I ever had was when I linked up with someone I knew from DUB. He met a Laotian who was on holiday in Pattaya and she was a freebie for a few days. But rather than say "bye bye" to her he was hiding away from her. I spent two days looking over my shoulder and seeing her there. She was stalking me, in case I met up with him. Eventually, he put in an appearance after she had given up and he told me that he had spent much of the last two days stalking her, while she was stalking me. What an arsehole!

Regarding being robbed, I am sure that is a possibility, but then, what's to stop last night's girl, seeing me on the street and then pointing me out to accomplices? In fact, the more girls that I go through, the more likely that scenario seems to me.

Thanks for the input of those who have written so far. It does seem to me that though all the advice is well meant, most you are having trouble coming to terms with my reluctance to change girls every day once I have met one that is likely to keep me happy. Regrettably, I am too old and worn out for hardcore mongering and so I tailor my needs to what I can handle.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586125]I am not sure what you mean by, " 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels"? That's about the same price as I might expect to pay in TH. Am I overpaying? [/QUOTE]Maybe a different girl each day but that is a large amount of money for 28 days for a single girl. Have you done 28 days before? TH is much more expensive, about double but depending on what you are comparing. Just to give you some perspective to compare TH prices, the most expensive club I have been to in Cartagena outside of old city is 300 K to have sex on site. Regular club is less than half of that. In Medellin, it can go to less than 100K.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586155]she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period[/QUOTE]

How much will you spend after gift and food for the girl?

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2586089]Thanks Nypher,

Your infor is what I have been looking for on the form. Still a little confused if 300 USD is twice the amount for TLN what is the norm in COP as USD what 150 USD fair or too much for TLN? I have seen on the form a good price for TLN as stated at the clock as 250 COP as a bargain price before curfew and 300 to 400 at the clubs or 80 and 90 for ST don't know if USD or COP.

I rare if at all do ST nor ask price for ST but only TLN. I have been working in the DR 3 months out of each year but play else where like in Tijuana and Costa Rica (see Photo) and know cost very well. CTG play ground I have plan for next month and will be my 1st. I have RTFF but will also contact this Tony because I want to go to Hollywood beach and clubs Delirium, Space and Dulce and like him find me a few University young chica.

Again, thank you for your helpful information.[/QUOTE]The prices depend on the monger.

If the monger lives in Colombia or he is a local he can get it for a lower price or even free if he plays the long game of taking her out. Knowing how to speak Spanish can help but if the monger don't know Colombian slang, she will just see the monger as a foreigner and will treat them as such.

Once the chica finds out the monger is only visiting then the prices change. A little "Que lo que" in Sosua goes a long way, the equivalent of that in Colombia I'm still trying to to learn.

Based on my daytime experience, if I get them around Playa Hollywood or El Laguito they can start at 150 K COP and top out at 300 K COP. 200 K COP is the reasonable amount. This is all ST. The 800 K COP price I've only experienced in Delirium, your experience may be different.

Based on my night time experience, if I get them from Centro, clock tower, Space, Dulce Vita or Delirium they start off at 300 K COP for ST and for TLN it can start from 500 K COP and top out at 800 K COP.

The mongers looks also matter when it comes to the price and service. If the monger have the appearance of a failed NFL line backer who looks like at any minute they can die from a combination of health problems the chica will tolerate the monger just for the money and run. If the monger does not have the appearance of a typical Playa Sosua monger who have to stack two of the beach chairs because a single chair will break under their weight the price and service will be decent JAJAJA!

To me, anything over 200 K COP for ST or 600 K COP for TLN is something I'm willing to walk away from. Keep in mind many of them will still ask for tip + taxi $$.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.
[/QUOTE]I personally think that your ratge of 250 k COP is fair compensation, considering that if you were doing a different chica TLN each night the minimum would be about 400 k a day and that is not even 24 hours. Not only that but in this type of long term thing it is just entirely up to you what you think is fair. Food and lodging cannot count toward her compensation because she would have those even if you were not there. Cash money is really all that counts toward comonesation and the gifts are just on you - this is the price you pay for exchanging BFE for GFE like you say. You might be able to find a lone chica that has wondered aross the border alone who has no children but I bet she has family in Venezuela and I bet she sends a lot of the money she makes to them.

My concern is that you may end up with dud. Years ago I hooked up with a semi-pro in Barranquilla and the first night was fantastic, shared a bottle of Don Julio and we had a blast. Then I decided to take her to Cartagena for a week. It was a lesson learned. I lived to regret that, she suddenly started getting head aches and was on the phone with her sister half the time and feeding me stories about the disasters that were going on there (that needed money to fix). I ended up putting her on a bus on the third day and I did not pay her the agreed rate and she was pissed but too bad. She was like Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde the way her personality changed once we got to Cartagena. So I would be concerned about making a commitment that I got stuck with.

Last thought I took a look and there actually some chicas on the website Seeking Arrangement that are listes as being in Cucuta so since you are seeking an arrangement... maybe you might try working that angle so you could talk to the chica before you even leave the country. The downsite is that there are only a few chicas there and the webiste is pricey

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586125]If I get in the groove, I want to stay in the groove. It might take me a few days to find someone who fits the bill, but once I do why gamble?[/QUOTE]Because of diminishing returns.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586125]If it's about "spoiling it for the rest of us", that hardly applies because from the responses I've seen so far, it appears nobody wants to keep a girl for longer than two or three days.[/QUOTE]You seem to assume the girls are willing to stay longer.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586155]Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage[/QUOTE]Except the average wage is $200, so that is 9X the average.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586125]I am not sure what you mean by, " 250 k a day and 100 k a day for gifts for a 28 GF shack up is ridiculous on many levels"? That's about the same price as I might expect to pay in TH. Am I overpaying? [/QUOTE]Yep. I live in Thailand. I pay chicks $30/day; which would be 1,000 baht or 117,000 pesos. He meant for 28 days you are giving a chick $65/day, plus feeding her, plus buying her all the little shit she wants you to buy her during that time. So it will turn out more towards 350K or $90 per day for your accounting purposes. $2500.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2586122]Playa Hollywood all day! Near Tony but with Pedro. Too many cuties! Got a few numbers, another good day!

Hit centro at night, offered a smoking chica 300 k sexo con condom pero tu me chupas sin condom. She insisted on condom blow job so I passed. Ended up taking a cutie I had last trip for todo la noche. Good sex at night and the morning. Gave her 500 k. All good. Doing the same shit today![/QUOTE]Pedro is cool. But Tony is territorial as far as me, and his English is a little better.

Tony wears #19. Green Jersey Playa Hollywood.

I'll be there mid-September.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2586158]Maybe a different girl each day but that is a large amount of money for 28 days for a single girl. Have you done 28 days before? TH is much more expensive, about double but depending on what you are comparing. Just to give you some perspective to compare TH prices, the most expensive club I have been to in Cartagena outside of old city is 300 K to have sex on site. Regular club is less than half of that. In Medellin, it can go to less than 100K.



How much will you spend after gift and food for the girl?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. I presume you are talking ST in these clubs. But I don't want to be doing short times. I can manage once a day easily, and sometimes twice at a struggle, but what am I going to do with the rest of my time? I am more barfly than beach bum. So I wake up at say at 9. 00 amI don't speak the language and I'm going to spend most of the day waiting for the bars to open.

Regarding comparative costs, I know that Soi6 in Pattaya is all ST bars, and the going rate there is 1000 THB, and you will have to buy the lady at least one drink (150) and I presume a beer for yourself. That's about 150 k COP. Do the prices you mention include drinks? As far as additional costs are concerned, I am probably looking at about $750 in gifts. As for food, how expensive can it be? I certainly am not going to sit down in a resto, while she waits outside. I am going to be staying an at Airbnb, so she might even cook me the odd meal or two. I don't wish to seem arrogant, but money is not that great a problem for me. I am a "four week millionaire" instead of a two week millionaire, but unlike most of the latter, I have enough coming in, that I don't need to lead a frugal life for 50 weeks to have two weeks of hedonism.

I want to try to give all those who have kindly answered my post, an understanding that I know my limitations. I know what I am not going to enjoy, and that includes spending 4 weeks of daily visits to ST bar for one pop day. I still find myself confused by the responses to prices, but I presume that everyone answering has good experience of Colombia. That being the case, presume you are an unemployed chica who regularly visits the Clock Tower to make ends meet, and you don't have to get home every night. You are made an offer of 7 million for 4 weeks plus all expenses and a bit of shopping thrown in. Is that such a bad offer? But also, from what I've seen on YT vids where supply outstrips demand. How many girls are likely to earn that sort of money in that timeframe?

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586166]I personally think that your ratge of 250 k COP is fair compensation, considering that if you were doing a different chica TLN each night the minimum would be about 400 k a day and that is not even 24 hours. Not only that but in this type of long term thing it is just entirely up to you what you think is fair. Food and lodging cannot count toward her compensation because she would have those even if you were not there. Cash money is really all that counts toward comonesation and the gifts are just on you - this is the price you pay for exchanging BFE for GFE like you say. You might be able to find a lone chica that has wondered aross the border alone who has no children but I bet she has family in Venezuela and I bet she sends a lot of the money she makes to them.

My concern is that you may end up with dud. Years ago I hooked up with a semi-pro in Barranquilla and the first night was fantastic, shared a bottle of Don Julio and we had a blast. Then I decided to take her to Cartagena for a week. It was a lesson learned. I lived to regret that, she suddenly started getting head aches and was on the phone with her sister half the time and feeding me stories about the disasters that were going on there (that needed money to fix). I ended up putting her on a bus on the third day and I did not pay her the agreed rate and she was pissed but too bad. She was like Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde the way her personality changed once we got to Cartagena. So I would be concerned about making a commitment that I got stuck with.

Last thought I took a look and there actually some chicas on the website Seeking Arrangement that are listes as being in Cucuta so since you are seeking an arrangement... maybe you might try working that angle so you could talk to the chica before you even leave the country. The downsite is that there are only a few chicas there and the webiste is pricey[/QUOTE]So you might think that the offer is not unreasonable? Just to take issue with you about food and accommodation, if I don't feed her, she has to pay for it herself. Of course she will probably be renting somewhere, but is it likely to be better than where I am renting? If not, then she enjoys a better standard of living, albeit temporary. Regarding her sending the cash to her family in VZ, why should that worry me? BKK and Pattaya is full of girls making remittances to families in Isaan. She earned it, She can spend it how she likes.

As far as ending up with a dud is concerned, the rules are simple. Her job is to keep me happy, and if she can't do that, then she has to go. I do expect some false starts along the way. And with Seeking Arrangement, the site owner is just a pimp in my eyes, and I would never knowingly pay a pimp.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586182] I presume you are talking ST in these clubs. But I don't want to be doing short times. [/QUOTE]I understand that. The price is to provide a perspective compared to TH. I did not use the lower price for comparison. Cartagena is expensive compared to other cities. Since you mention Soi 6, then I can tell you the price is even lower on the low end in Colombia. Local beer can be as low as 35 THB, sex on site is 700 THB or less in a bar. Street girl is even cheaper. Someone reported fucking 6 girls for about 1700 THB just this week over in Medellin thread. I did the money conversion, hope I did them correctly.

My guess is you will be bored either way if you don't speak Spanish. Try not think the girls will think the way you do. That does not work.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586198]And with Seeking Arrangement, the site owner is just a pimp in my eyes, and I would never knowingly pay a pimp.[/QUOTE]
I think SA may actually work out for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586167]Because of diminishing returns.

You seem to assume the girls are willing to stay longer.

Except the average wage is $200, so that is 9X the average.

Yep. I live in Thailand. I pay chicks $30/day; which would be 1,000 baht or 117,000 pesos. He meant for 28 days you are giving a chick $65/day, plus feeding her, plus buying her all the little shit she wants you to buy her during that time. So it will turn out more towards 350K or $90 per day for your accounting purposes. $2500.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?

No assumption. This started out as a question. Are you saying it can't happen?

Not sure what your source is, but I got the average wage from google. [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=average[/URL]+wage+Colombia&rlz=1 C1 CHBF_enIE919 IE919&oq=average+wage+see&aqs=chrome. 1. 69 i57 j35 i39 j0 i512 l8. 7909 j0 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 but if it's 9 x instead of 4 x, do you think, do you think they will be upset by that?

Yes. 1 k THB is not too difficult to find in TH. Regardless of your number crunching, what I am looking to do is not dissimilar to what I would do in TH.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586120]At 1:31 he introduces Tony.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOr_tDC6_3U&t=438s[/URL]

At 2:30.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGd8sxqmsa4&t=151s[/URL]

Advosory: This is not an endorsement of Tony's services- this is becuase someone asked. I reccommned that if you use Tony's services, do so ony after after educating yourself to the costs.[/QUOTE]Thanks for pointing out the real Tony. I know who to look for now to get chairs.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2586201]I understand that. The price is to provide a perspective compared to TH. I did not use the lower price for comparison. Cartagena is expensive compared to other cities. Since you mention Soi 6, then I can tell you the price is even lower on the low end in Colombia. Local beer can be as low as 35 THB, sex on site is 600 TBH or less in a bar. Street girl is even cheaper. Someone reported fucking 6 girls for about 1700 TBH just this week over in Medellin thread. I did the money conversion, hope I did them correctly.

My guess is you will be bored either way if you don't speak Spanish. Try not think the girls will think the way you do. That does not work.[/QUOTE]Thanks again. Your last sentence definitely is worth considering. All I can say about boredom, is that in the days before translation apps, I did several stints including 10+days with girls who spoke no English, and they seemed to know what was required of them, hence the length of the stay.

But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.

I note that there has not been much comment on the Cucuta option, but the more I think of it, the more inclined I am to consider it not among my greatest ideas.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586202]Thanks for your reply.

I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?[/QUOTE]What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586202]I don't get your "diminishing returns". Apart from my time. What is diminishing?[/QUOTE]Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586202]Not sure what your source is, but I got the average wage from google.[/QUOTE]My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2586122]Playa Hollywood all day! Near Tony but with Pedro. Too many cuties! Got a few numbers, another good day!

Hit centro at night, offered a smoking chica 300 k sexo con condom pero tu me chupas sin condom. She insisted on condom blow job so I passed. Ended up taking a cutie I had last trip for todo la noche. Good sex at night and the morning. Gave her 500 k. All good. Doing the same shit today![/QUOTE]I love your style. Sounds like you are having a great trip. I'll be back in Cartagena this winter. Had a trip all booked for April 2020 but of course that was shit canned by covid. Its just too hot and humid in the Caribbean for me in the summer cause I live in San Diego and its so nice here now with Tijuana 25 minutes away.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586207]Thanks for pointing out the real Tony. I know who to look for now to get chairs.[/QUOTE]Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586155]Thanks for the input, I am assuming from what The Tall Man says, that he appears to think that 250 K is too high. If so, your opinion leaves me confused. Presuming that I find the right girl on day one, she will earn about $1800 for the 4 week period. That's about 4 X the average wage and the security of knowing that she will not have go back to say, the clock tower tomorrow in the hope of finding her next customer. Others will know better than me, but is that so unattractive?

Regarding a "wingman", this will my 27th trip since 2006, and I've never needed a wingman yet. In fact the worst trip I ever had was when I linked up with someone I knew from DUB. He met a Laotian who was on holiday in Pattaya and she was a freebie for a few days. But rather than say "bye bye" to her he was hiding away from her. I spent two days looking over my shoulder and seeing her there. She was stalking me, in case I met up with him. Eventually, he put in an appearance after she had given up and he told me that he had spent much of the last two days stalking her, while she was stalking me. What an arsehole!

Regarding being robbed, I am sure that is a possibility, but then, what's to stop last night's girl, seeing me on the street and then pointing me out to accomplices? In fact, the more girls that I go through, the more likely that scenario seems to me.[/QUOTE]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.[/QUOTE]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586160]The prices depend on the monger.

If the monger lives in Colombia or he is a local he can get it for a lower price or even free if he plays the long game of taking her out. Knowing how to speak Spanish can help but if the monger don't know Colombian slang, she will just see the monger as a foreigner and will treat them as such.

Once the chica finds out the monger is only visiting then the prices change. A little "Que lo que" in Sosua goes a long way, the equivalent of that in Colombia I'm still trying to to learn.

Based on my daytime experience, if I get them around Playa Hollywood or El Laguito they can start at 150 K COP and top out at 300 K COP. 200 K COP is the reasonable amount. This is all ST. The 800 K COP price I've only experienced in Delirium, your experience may be different.

Based on my night time experience, if I get them from Centro, clock tower, Space, Dulce Vita or Delirium they start off at 300 K COP for ST and for TLN it can start from 500 K COP and top out at 800 K COP.

The mongers looks also matter when it comes to the price and service. If the monger have the appearance of a failed NFL line backer who looks like at any minute they can die from a combination of health problems the chica will tolerate the monger just for the money and run. If the monger does not have the appearance of a typical Playa Sosua monger who have to stack two of the beach chairs because a single chair will break under their weight the price and service will be decent JAJAJA!

To me, anything over 200 K COP for ST or 600 K COP for TLN is something I'm willing to walk away from. Keep in mind many of them will still ask for tip + taxi $$.[/QUOTE]Great, I think from your reply you gave the the ballpark information I requested I will be down on the week of the 10th. Can't said I know the Columbian "slang" but my Spanish is well enough to get by in my job with negotiations but they to see me as a foreigner that speaks Spanish but in the end, I win. I'm in good shape and love the beach jet ski and scuba dive. I spend very little time in So- Sewer while living in Santo DOM DR. Your information will help me with my chica negotiations, what's too high or not fair, as a monger I don't really care if the chica see me as a foreigner this little trip will be about pussy on the beach or Clock Tower clubs for ground and pound and maybe get that azz too. BE SAFE BE HAPPY.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2586260]Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.[/QUOTE]So why not pay 20?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2586260]Don't' pay more than 50 for the chair. The actual price is 20.[/QUOTE]What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586324]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.[/QUOTE]LOL. Which robbery? They happen all the time all over Colombia. Just look at the news, read ISG, or join one of those Colombia expat facebook groups. A good buddy of mine was left destitute and in the gutter a few years back. They did not get him inside. They got him outside. Your place with security can not help you with that, unless you just plan to stay in and order chicks online.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia [/QUOTE]Dude you are preaching to the choir. I left Flexx, must have been one morning, because the last thing I remembered was walking down Walking Street and it was daylight. I woke up in my bed and there was a chick next to me and I went back to sleep. Not sure if that was the time I left my bike on Walking Street or it happened to follow me home. No way in the hell I would do something like that in Colombia. I don't even drink at a place there unless I am with friends.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586215]What he means is: the more you give a girl, the less she appreciates it.

There is nothing wrong with finding someone you like and hanging with her, however if you are paying her anything cash wise, you have to remember she is a working girl. Period. She may be a nice working girl, a great lay in bed, but she is a working girl. Any notion that she likes you for anything but money then is a mistake.

I keep saying this but there are Colombian women who want to hang out with American guys and not for just cash.

My current GF has gotten more from me than any other girl yet I have not given her dime for sex or just to hang out with me. See if you can find a woman who will fuck you for no payment. Then you have a keeper.

It is fine to hang with a working girl for cash but just make sure in your head that is what you have. If she expects money, she is with you for that and not for you. It is easy to get that confused, and the women are really good at keeping you confused on this subject, but you should remind yourself always of what she is and what you are.

What amazes me is American men are so comfortable being johns they miss out on so much free pussy. It is there in abundance if you think that you are worthy of it.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.

Not sure if you've heard of it but there is a book called "Private Dancer" about a Brit who falls in love with a Thai hooker and his life is destroyed. I remember at the time it came out, all the Thai "sexperts" were raving about it saying that this was a bible of things not to do when in TH and was essential reading. Really? And if it had been set in any other location, the outcome would have been different? I know exactly what I am looking for: A commercial transaction which ends when she stops performing, or I go the airport. Whichever comes first.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586228]Your fun and satisfacation with the girl. She can't guarantee that even if she tries. And try to put her out when she has already spent that 28 days pay in her head and you are liable to have problems.

My source is asking Colombians that I know in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why people would assume that if the girl fails to perform, that I would not be prepared to deal with the problem. If the worst comes to the worst. I move to another location. BTW, in spite of all my frailties, I can be very good fun on a night out out with a girl.

Regarding, local knowledge versus Google. I've looked at other sites, and I've seen $261 in another, so I am inclined to rely on your figure. Regardless, whether it is 4 x or 9 x, do you think many girls would be dissatisfied with my offer?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586261]Thailand have a different vibe from Colombia, especially Pattaya.

I find the Thai girls I met more honest and trusting, granted this was pre COVID so I don't know if they are the same now times are harder. I have partied hard in 808 blacked out and woke up in my hotel room with the girl I met in the club. Same with Flexx Club, I don't know how I made it down those steps and back to my hotel room but woke up with a girl next to me. They made sure this chocolate man got to bed safe 555. I would never do that in Colombia unless I was staying somewhere with security. Also how is your Spanish? Thailand was easier as many of the girls I ran into speak English but in Colombia the only ones who I find that can speak some little English are the ones that have normal jobs in the tourist areas. I've only ran into one prepago that spoke little English and it was very basic stuff.

As for being robbed, they won't point you out on the street for a gang to attack you, they will wait until they are in your apartment most likely sleeping then open the door to let their friends in, or drug you and clear out all your stuff. This have not happened to me yet, but I know someone it happened to who like to travel solo, and there are many stories like it. I would put safety first, then sexual needs second.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586376]J
As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.
.[/QUOTE]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns into crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.

It may seem unreasonable to you that she could give you a lousy time and expect all the money if you pull out of the deal but you cannot expect "reasonable", in her mind you dangled all this money in front of her and then welshed, so do not dangle more than you are willing to write off if things go south.

A funny thing about that incident with the secret service is that before this happened Colombia Tourism had commercials with the slogan "Colombia is Passion" - after this incident was splattered all over he world news, they quickly changed to a different slogan.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns iinto crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later or a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.

It may seem unreasonable to you that she could give you a lousy time and expect all the money if you pull out of the deal but you cannot expect "reasonable", in her mind you dangled all this money in front of her and then welshed, so do not dangle more than you are willing to write off if things go south.

A funny thing to me about that incident is that before this happened Colombia Tourism had the slogan "Colombia is Passion" - after this incident was splattered all over he world news, they quickly changed to a different slogan.[/QUOTE]Much of what you say makes sense to me. A lot of my plan is clearly based on the reasonableness of others, and I am aware that there is a wide diversity on what some girls consider reasonable.

I am beginning to see a consensus here. I think most consider that it is doable, but that I shouldn't do it but for a variety of reasons. So now it becomes a question of my confidence in myself to handle a variety of scenarios. Hmmm?

Just found this on Youtube posted today: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ev-nwM6Bo&t=304s[/URL].

At 7. 50, the poster mentions his hotel which appears to be girl friendly. Casa Pedro Romero which appears to be in Getsemani. Got to say, that the pics on [URL]Bookings.com[/URL] don't make it look much more attractive than the vid itself, but I thought I should post because there is a paucity of info on such hotels. [URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/casa-pedro-romero.en-gb.html?aid=318615;label=English_Ireland_EN_IE_29561940025-kQhWDxOXw%2A1l_FSzR4ZciQS113415594265%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap%3Aneg%3Afi2658747816%3Atidsa-302083110424%3Alp1007850%3Ali%3Adec%3Adm;sid=e46ce9a5c302deb0a126f4b8917073d1;all_sr_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;checkin=2021-08-18;checkout=2021-09-15;dest_id=-579943;dest_type=city;dist=0;from_beach_non_key_ufi_sr=1;group_adults=2;group_children=0;hapos=1;highlighted_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;hpos=1;no_rooms=1;room1=A%2CA;sb_price_type=total;sr_order=popularity;sr_pri_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0__325449600;srepoch=1627637340;srpvid=df5e42ae886a016c;type=total;ucfs=1&[/URL]#hotelTmpl.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586405]Just found this on Youtube posted today: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ev-nwM6Bo&t=304s[/URL].

At 7. 50, the poster mentions his hotel which appears to be girl friendly. Casa Pedro Romero which appears to be in Getsemani. Got to say, that the pics on [URL]Bookings.com[/URL] don't make it look much more attractive than the vid itself, but I thought I should post because there is a paucity of info on such hotels. [URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/casa-pedro-romero.en-gb.html?aid=318615;label=English_Ireland_EN_IE_29561940025-kQhWDxOXw%2A1l_FSzR4ZciQS113415594265%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap%3Aneg%3Afi2658747816%3Atidsa-302083110424%3Alp1007850%3Ali%3Adec%3Adm;sid=e46ce9a5c302deb0a126f4b8917073d1;all_sr_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;checkin=2021-08-18;checkout=2021-09-15;dest_id=-579943;dest_type=city;dist=0;from_beach_non_key_ufi_sr=1;group_adults=2;group_children=0;hapos=1;highlighted_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0;hpos=1;no_rooms=1;room1=A%2CA;sb_price_type=total;sr_order=popularity;sr_pri_blocks=49502903_91185023_0_1_0__325449600;srepoch=1627637340;srpvid=df5e42ae886a016c;type=total;ucfs=1&[/URL]#hotelTmpl.[/QUOTE]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.

Why some guys come to a mongering board to "Bragg" about getting free pussy? Then try to encourage other people to follow their lead. I thought it was across the board that we pretty much don't want "free". The only thing I want free is free-dom to tell a chica when to leave when I'm done with her. I'll gladly pay for that.

I would hate to have a "girlfriend" who's giving me " free" sex and bring her around a whole bunch of chicas who are getting paid for doing the same thing. Do you actually think your girl is really content watching her friend walk away with 500 k night? Meanwhile she's quiet and just hoping for your generosity?

I've played the free game. I didn't like the price I had to pay. I know now that I'the rather pay for her to leave. I thought that's what this forum was mostly about.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I think a point being here that you could be prudent and not make the whole 28 day deal all at one time. So that way she cannot be thinking about all that 28 days worth of money if you need to pull out of the deal. Once you make that deal with her, in her mind it is set in stone. I would say something like "it is possible that I might need you for four weeks so I need to know that if I do then you would be available but because I might get called back to work and have to leave I am only going to hire you for a week at a time. If you do good each week and we get along and if I do not get called back to work then we'll do anoher week for the possibility of 4 total weeks" That way if she turns into a psycho or whiny neurotic then you have an out. "I got called back to work".

If on the other hand she turns into crazy girl and you have already made a 28 week deal, in her mind you owe her all that money even if you want out of the deal at day 2. And she may get real crazy and she may not only be more than you want to deal with but she may even call the cops. You think that the cops might be on your side, and they might or they might not,

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help. .[/QUOTE]This is why I do everything thru text so I have proof of the convo and I make sure I say cop or usd.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586380]Regardless, whether it is 4 x or 9 x, do you think many girls would be dissatisfied with my offer?[/QUOTE]I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2586417]
I've played the free game. I didn't like the price I had to pay. I know now that I'the rather pay for her to leave. I thought that's what this forum was mostly about.[/QUOTE]It appears to me that there are plenty of posts telling you to watch out for the hidden agenda. "Free" sex is not that difficult to find, but as you imply "free" comes with a price. Often the formula is pretty simple. You tell the girl what she wants to hear, and then having got what you want, you move on. That seems abusive to me. Alternately, where is the dishonesty in a cash relationship?

As for those who want to talk about their "freebies", you've probably got relative youth on your side right now, and good luck to you. But as you get older, opportunities are likely to decline, especially from the 20 somethings. Maybe then, you might start questioning the fact that she might have a hidden agenda.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586434]I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.[/QUOTE]You might be right. But what are the chances of them earning COP 7 million over the next four weeks? I might be misreading the situation, but every time I see a vid of the Clock Tower, I see supply far outstipping demand. From what I have read here, I think I could probably go there most nights and get TLN for 250-300 K. Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?

I know the vids don't tell the whole story, but I'd bet that many of the girls seen in these will go home empty handed on many nights.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586411]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.[/QUOTE]I checked out this video yesterday. The room he showed in El Viajero did not have a window though the hallway overlooked a downstairs patio of some sort. The room appeared to be quite tiny. I can't imagine anyone would want to stay there for the whole evening, which would cost $30 USD. The short time rate, according to him, was $10. He did not show the room that has a kitchen and balcony overlooking the street, which has been mentioned here. Other than that, he viewed a couple of place in Bocagrande; one was called Oz but that one was pricey at $50 per night but apparently allowed guests. The rooms were nice but too far from El Centro in my estimation.

I have been going to Thailand for the past several years during the winter months. My last visit was the winter of 2020 at the beginning of Covid. One thing I like about Thailand, and Bangkok in particular, is how safe it is. You can walk down a street, or Soi as they call it there, in the middle of the wee hours and feel totally safe. I have had dozens of encounters with P4 P with not even the slightest feeling of menace or the thought someone may attempt to rob or drug me. It's just not part of their culture. There are always exceptions and urban legends but for the most part, I think it's quite safe. I suppose picking up a LB on the street late at night, being drunk etc. Is not such a great idea but in general there is no comparison to South America in terms of relative safety.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586386]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586458]Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?[/QUOTE]You are approaching with an "If I was them" mindset. I am sure you know that women in the first place do not think like men. So you should know that third world uneducated (except for some of the Venezuelans that may be in the position due to political problems in their country) hookers most definitely do not think like first world educated men.

These chicks, or even chicks in general, do not think about tomorrow or next week. They only think about today. Then one day they wake up old and alone and wonder what the fuck happened. They lived for today without planning for tomorrow. They looked at "the clock tower" as something that would always be there when they needed, not thinking that one day they would no longer be clock tower material. They are not concerned with the four weeks steady work some old ass foreigner is offering, because for now they can just go back to the clock tower tomorrow.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586359]LOL. Which robbery? They happen all the time all over Colombia. Just look at the news, read ISG, or join one of those Colombia expat facebook groups. A good buddy of mine was left destitute and in the gutter a few years back. They did not get him inside. They got him outside. Your place with security can not help you with that, unless you just plan to stay in and order chicks online.[/QUOTE]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia? Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586411]On Hollywood Beach I have used the Hotel Dann. It is literally on Hollywood Beach and is guest friendly. It runs about 70 to 80 USD per night but is very convenient. In the Walled City I use the El Viajero.

[URL]https://hotel-el-viajero-centro.negocio.site[/URL] The rooms are cheap but clean. It located near the Clock Tower, the Dulce Vida and other pick spots.[/QUOTE]Does the Dann charge for extra guests beyond the first one?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia?[/QUOTE]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586485]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.[/QUOTE]I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586324]Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.[/QUOTE]It happened in Centro, he stayed at a place with no security because he didn't want them constantly asking him for money every time he bring girls in. From the way he explained it, he found the girl over by the Scotia Bank where the bus stops and big Exito. They went back to to his place and they were drinking and doing shots. When he woke up, the girl was gone, his phone was gone, his wallet with all his cards was gone, all his pesos gone, his sneakers and his jerseys gone, even took his cologne jajaja. All he had left was his passport in the safe with $100. He was lucky it happened on his last night there and not his first day. He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586353]What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.[/QUOTE]I usually never pay attention to the prices and they just show up at the end with some large number written on a napkin saying that's the total. It wasn't until I had a local chica with me and she kept track of what was ordered to make sure I didn't get ripped off and by her doing that I make sure giver her a little extra and make her a regular whenever I visit.

With this info, now I don't need to bring sand to the beach to enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586211]
But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.[/QUOTE]I know I will start with 1 or 2 days, then extend if I enjoy it even if I have to pay more. If you can have one for 7 days, then why not have 4 for 28 days. Your solution is not a real solution because you are replacing one problem with another.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586386]Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.[/QUOTE]All this depends on the Monger and how he moves.

Many of these chicas live day to day. They only care what they can get from the foreigner that day because they know they may never see him again once she leaves the apartment.

So the questions are always the same; Where are you from? Where are you staying? When are you leaving? When the monger gives them answers to those 3 questions the chica can estimate how much money the monger makes that they can afford to travel to their country, how much money the monger is willing to spend to sleep in comfort, and how much time they have to extract resources from the monger.

Similar to Thailand, allot of the girls do not work in the area they live. They will travel in a group 2 - 4 minimum and take the hours long bus ride into Cartagena on Thursday and rent a room together. If 1 girl can get 1 gringo for the day, the room fee is covered. Any additional gringo is profit from there on so if they can do 5 - 6 gringos a day each then leave on Sunday afternoon back to where they are from. Then a chica may not come back for another month because she made so much money. If something goes wrong, by the time the monger wakes up, that girl is long gone and its hard to identify her if they met on the street. Mongers are getting smarter and asking for the Instagram profile just incase something happens they have photos of the girl. At least in Thailand the hotels make the girl leave her ID at the front desk and she cannot get that ID back until the monger gives the front desk the "all clear", they also make copies of her ID just in case something happens to the girl the cops know which monger she went to see so everyone is on their best behavior.

In my experience in Colombia, the hotels and the apartments I've stayed at with security, the girl can just leave, pick up her ID, and be on her way. Security don't call the mongers room to make sure everything is OK for her to leave, or require the monger to physically escort her to the front desk to pick up the ID.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586458]You might be right. But what are the chances of them earning COP 7 million over the next four weeks? I might be misreading the situation, but every time I see a vid of the Clock Tower, I see supply far outstipping demand. From what I have read here, I think I could probably go there most nights and get TLN for 250-300 K. Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?

I know the vids don't tell the whole story, but I'd bet that many of the girls seen in these will go home empty handed on many nights.[/QUOTE]Its going to be very difficult for you to get a chica that will accept 250 k COP a day when that same chica can get 250 k COP per gringo she leche throughout the day. When the girls are at the Clock Tower, they are just putting in overtime. They already had 4 - 5 gringos earlier in the day and they are just seeing if they can make extra at night because that's when the gringos pay more. They can now charge higher for TLN. Remember, just because you see someone getting it for cheap does not mean that you will also get it for cheap.

Remember the chica will see you as you don't speak Spanish and you don't live there so how much can she get you to pay while tolerating you until the next gringo comes along. Gone are the days where we could pay the girl and she's willing to cook and clean for the monger without him asking because she was raised that way. Todays chicas who are just getting into the market are about extracting as much resources they can from a man before they become too old to get men's attention, most new chicas are aware their body has a time limit, and will try to leche you as fast as possible.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586376]Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.[/QUOTE]You are looking in the wrong place with hookers. If you want an arrangement, you go to [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. You need a woman who is able to think in a long term kind of a way and all the hooker types do is think short term.

As for Venezuelans, they are notoriously short term minded given what has gone on in their country and the best Venezuelans do not go to Cucuta but get to Medellin, CTG, and Bogota where the bigger money is. I have actually found them to be much more short term oriented than Colombians but all in all, they have been a little bit better in bed.

I have done [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and gotten longer term relationships like the ones you seek, but if you are getting a combination of looks, performance, and someone who is able to think long term, those are the types of women looking to better themselves via work or school or are relied upon by their family. Point is that you are not going to be able to find one who satisfies your needs. You will have to spread the wealth via two or three.

As for hotels, I would register a room and put down one of the women and (maybe both) after you have had done your interviews and tryouts with them.

All in all, CTG was the worst of the five cities I went to. I only found a few prospects there. I even dated Miss Cartagena from there, and she was a bit of a hothead. Character wise, Bogota was the best. Medellin had the best looking women but the least reliable. Barranquilla was much sparser but my three best fucks in all of Colombia were from there.

Anyway, my guess is that you are going to go into the hooker pool and wind up disappointed. The hooker types IMO do not do well with long term anything.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2586389]I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.

Here is a good account of what happened and is much more in line with what I have observed in Colombia:

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/03/25/secret-service-prostitution-scandal-one-year-later/[/URL]

But on their way back to the hotel, Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'd have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price—$800—Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarez—who later wrote a book about her night with the agent—claimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Huntington gave Suarez the equivalent of about $30 in local currency and demanded she get out. "Let's go, *****. I'm not going to pay you," he said, according to Suarez, and shoved her out the door.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friend—who didn't ask to be paid—had spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the money—about a third of what she claimed she was owed—Suarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitution—which the hotel is accustomed to managing—but with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

The dogs' mess could be blamed on the Secret Service and military K-9 teams. The impromptu pool party was staged by a group of military service members, also staying at the hotel, who had trucked in their own alcohol, according to a source on the ground that night.

As the hotel was taking stock of the damages, the head of security for the Caribe called the US Embassy to report that a Colombian police officer had intervened in an altercation between a Secret Service agent, Bongino, and a local prostitute, Suarez.

End of quote.

It is funny how our fucking press got a hold of this and turned it into a woman who performed and got stiffed when the truth is that she was trying to rip this guy off.

And the notion of federal employees doing whatever the fuck they want and raising a commotion pissing off all the other guests is something I could certainly believe.

But the notion that the police were stumping for a working girl charging $800 a night is fucking crazy. The other crazy notion is that a hotel would back a hooker over a paying customer.

After reading this article though, this fits what I have seen in Colombia. I just shake my head at the way this story was reported in our media. It fucking cracks me up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586485]World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.[/QUOTE]I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586494]I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.[/QUOTE]You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586537]He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.[/QUOTE]Yeah rookie move. I always hide the key between the trashcan and liner or behind a picture frame.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586621]You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class![/QUOTE]Cartagena is a very popular tourist destination unlike Medellin or Bogota. There is that better. There's a lot more to do than fuck hookers and millions of tourists were going there pre covid. [URL]https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/things-to-do-cartagena-colombia/index.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586618]I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.[/QUOTE]LOL. I do not know everything, but I have a lot of experience in a lot of areas and a lot of countries. And if there is something I want to know then I have no problem asking whoever. Many things I have had to learn the hard way, so excuse me for trying to warn the next mf not to fuck up the same way I did.

I am a realist, not any of that other stuff you are ascribing to me. In grad school we used to have to do a swot analysis. Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. In the Navy we would say prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. Maybe you only subscribe to the hoping for the best part and looking at the strengths and opportunities, while not wanting to think about the drawbacks and downfalls. Good luck to you.

I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586474]Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia? Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?[/QUOTE]As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586617]Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.[/QUOTE]At first I thought there was a misunderstanding between $800 and 800 K COP when the agent and the prepago made the deal. But after reading this happened in 2013, no way in hell TLN was 800 K COP in 2013. She was really trying to rip him off and he was stupid enough to let her in his hotel room after hearing the price.

He probably had it in his mind that because her friend gave it up for free to his colleague that he was going to get it for free as well. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586647]As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.[/QUOTE]Thank you. That's what I thought. You are hired. See you this winter.

New decree: Curfew changes and new sectors are opened in Cartagena.

- The curfew will be in force from 2:00 am Until 5:00 am Of everyday. The measure had been running until midnight.

- During the validity of the new decree, public or private events are allowed, which includes concerts, massive sporting events, and dance venues, with a maximum capacity of 50% of the capacity of the infrastructure where the event takes place. The event, guaranteeing physical distancing of at least 1 meter.

- The entrance to the authorized beaches will continue at 8:00 am Until 6:00 pm.

The mandatory use of face masks is ordered in public spaces and commercial establishments where social distancing must be guaranteed.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2586479]Does the Dann charge for extra guests beyond the first one?[/QUOTE]I stayed there a couple of times to enjoy the beach. So one woman per stay. They do check here credentials so I am not sure if they would charge for the second one or not.

Locked in for the last week of September. Would be nice to meet some folks who monger there and have a selection. I do love it there. And yes it is a world class historical site, aside from having beautiful women.

Never had any problems there and never lacked for a good selection. 300 cop for the hour is the most I have ever paid and that was a 9. I have no problem paying the young women to fuck an old man like me. I may negotiate a little but while 300 may seem high, I am good with it. I don't think one guy paying a little too much is going to hurt the market. Plus if you want those memories that seem to good to be true you have to pay. But if anyone knows a drop dead beautiful woman who takes less, I am interested. Looking forward to the trip and maybe meeting Tony or Fireman for some hand selected beauties. Going to try anal this trip. Anyone know how to ask for that.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586644]I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, but being robbed was not a paramount concern. The real issue for me is that Mr Knows Everything, says it can't be done. Not that I believe him, especially when you and others seem to think that apart from Cucuta, it is doable. I am not even sure most are saying that Cucuta can't be done, but more along the lines, "It's not something I would do if I were you".

Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. I have no problem dealing with uneducated women. In all the hotspots for mongering. These are common, and it's rarely the girls fault. But I can't deal with stupidity and it seems that all I'm likely to find In Cartagena. It likely that these women would rather go to the clock tower every night where supply obviously outstrips demand, than accept a deal for COP 7 million. Apparently working girls are different and have no interest in repeat business. Then again I've read more than a few posts of girls not getting a customer and then going through their phone list to see which former client might be in need of company when the Clock Tower washes out for them.

I'm not sure I believe that. What I have in common with these girls is that I have spent most of my life in self-employment, If anybody has been in a similar position, they will tell you that as SE, you are at work most of your day even after you have gone home thinking. "What do I have to do to increase earnings and opportunities etc. But this does not seem to apply to Colombian Hookers.

BTW, just to explain, the appeal of Cucuta is that if did do a deal down there and imported her to Cartagena, I would not have the problem of her being gone for long stretches while she "went to work" for the day, or went home to "take care of the family". That's the appeal of Pattaya. Most of the girls have come hundreds of miles from Isaan, so those excuses don't really wash.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2586617]Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.

Here is a good account of what happened and is much more in line with what I have observed in Colombia:

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/03/25/secret-service-prostitution-scandal-one-year-later/[/URL]

But on their way back to the hotel, Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'd have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price$800Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Huntington gave Suarez the equivalent of about $30 in local currency and demanded she get out. "Let's go, *****. I'm not going to pay you," he said, according to Suarez, and shoved her out the door.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

The dogs' mess could be blamed on the Secret Service and military K-9 teams. The impromptu pool party was staged by a group of military service members, also staying at the hotel, who had trucked in their own alcohol, according to a source on the ground that night.

As the hotel was taking stock of the damages, the head of security for the Caribe called the US Embassy to report that a Colombian police officer had intervened in an altercation between a Secret Service agent, Bongino, and a local prostitute, Suarez.

End of quote.

It is funny how our fucking press got a hold of this and turned it into a woman who performed and got stiffed when the truth is that she was trying to rip this guy off.

And the notion of federal employees doing whatever the fuck they want and raising a commotion pissing off all the other guests is something I could certainly believe.

But the notion that the police were stumping for a working girl charging $800 a night is fucking crazy. The other crazy notion is that a hotel would back a hooker over a paying customer.

After reading this article though, this fits what I have seen in Colombia. I just shake my head at the way this story was reported in our media. It fucking cracks me up.[/QUOTE]I tend to be wary about all stories of sex-tourism caught in compromising situations. I recall seeing a story from Phils on another forum which immediately got my fake news radar twitching.

It concerned one of the frequent clean-up raids (extortions" that the Phils Police indulge in to enhance their reputation as "The best cops that money can buy" when they were raiding an unnamed bar in Angeles. The story was that they had caught an unnamed German tourist with a 13 yr old girl who was employed in the bar, in a "compromising situation" and had arrested him as well as several members of the bar staff. I read the media reports in several local papers that were online, and they were identical down to the last comma. Obviously, they had all been copied from the Police press release and not one of them voiced any concerns over the lack of identification of the suspect.

If you know anything about local journalism, you will know that one income stream is raised through selling the stories to other publications. This is a story that would easily sell in Germany. I looked on the German Media with a Google search, and couldn't find the story anywhere. How difficult would it have been for a local journo to slip a local cop a few pisos to get the name, age and origins of this man?

A couple of days later, in a follow up, I read that the man had been fined and allowed to continue his holiday in Phils, while he still remained unidentified. Of course that's what you do when you discover a foreign nonce molesting a 13 yr old girl! Isn't It?

A few weeks later, I saw an announcement about increased funding for the ICE squad attached to the Manila Embassy. Amongst the achievements claimed to merit this, was that they provided the tip off in this case. Hmmm?

And mention of ICE reminds me of another story concerning a BBC doc, "Stacey Dooley: Saving the Cybersex Girls". Much of which was filmed in Phils, and was about under-age girls performing online for pervs. About three quarters in, there is a scene, where ICE and local cops combine to take a down a local nonce, who is about to livestream his exploits with three girls aged 8,10 and 12. The police have accessed the video link and are sitting in a police station some distance from where this is happening. Incredibly, there are no cops in the immediate area and the police are waiting for the abuse to start, before they get into their cars to drive to the scene of the crime where the nonce is arrested. Once he is in handcuffs, Dooley tears into him about his actions. And I am thinking to myself, "You speak up for these children now? Why weren't you tearing into the police and ICE for allowing the kids to be molested in the first place"? As far as ICE and the Phils cops were concerned. I wondered if they would have been so willing to let their own children be used as bait, as they were to use these three kids.

This was about a year or so after the BBC were heavily criticised for the role in not bringing Jimmy Saville, one of their big name performers who had a 40 year history of molesting children, the mentally ill and handicapped, to account. I complained to the BBC about Dooley, but they rejected my complaint and could find no fault in her not questioning the actions of LE. Dooley's product invariably ends up on Youtube including this. A few days after they rejected my complaint, that vid was removed but I am not aware of her other vids being removed. I wonder why?

For those of you who don't know the name, it would not be unfair to describe her as a female version of PIers Morgan in that she always go for the sensational and resorts to bullying those who can't hit back.

Yet another doc of hers, "Stacey Dooley investigates sex trafficking", where this time the scene was Cambodia. She is "working" with the local cops, whose corruption far outstrips that of the Phils with many of them owning brothels. She gets invited to join the Cam police on a raid on a brothel where there are supposed to be children working. They get to within a couple of hundred yards of the building. Out come the binoculars and they spend a couple of minutes observing the place. A message comes across the radio in Khmer, which was that there was nobody in the house. The local police chief says, "Someone must have tipped them off". Does Dooley ask the cop why, how or who did this? The Cam police have a habit of confiscating footage that might be embarrassing to them what do you think Dooley might have said?

Again, if you have a little knowledge of these matters, you will probably know that when Doc makers go abroad, they hire a local "fixer" to deal with makers lack of local knowledge, and he arranges most things such as transport, interpreters, tracking down locals for interviews etc. I am just thinking in view of the esteem that the local cops are held in, that when Dooley told the fixer that she was going on a raid on a brothel with the local chief of police, did they have to give him the rest of the day off as he fell about laughing uncontrollably.

But regarding media sex scandals, there usually is some sort of story there. But so often, as in the cases I've just mentioned, the more interesting story is the questions that should be asked, but weren't.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586851]What I have in common with these girls is that I have spent most of my life in self-employment, If anybody has been in a similar position, they will tell you that as SE, you are at work most of your day even after you have gone home thinking. "What do I have to do to increase earnings and opportunities etc. But this does not seem to apply to Colombian Hookers.[/QUOTE]Thing is that you keep forgetting about culture. You should understand that better than anyone. Business is not done the same way in Latin America as it is done where you are from. In Latin America, if you want to increase earnings, instead of trying to gain more customers (opportunities) you simply raise prices on the customers that you already have.

Also most hookers you come across these days in the areas that you are talking about looking are going to be Venezuelan and not Colombian. I am not saying it will be either impossible or improbable to find what you are looking for. I am just saying that the game has changed all over Latin America of finding a GFE that will stay with you forever on end until you have to kick her out. These chicks are looking for the quick money and on to find the next one. They are not thinking a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush, as is said in our culture. They are thinking fuck this bird, I am heading back to the bush.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586851]The real issue for me is that Mr Knows Everything, says it can't be done. [/QUOTE]I am not sure what you are referring to so I am guessing. This is what he said.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2586434]I do not think chicks will not be satisfied with your offer on paper. What I think is that you will have a difficult time finding someone to accept your offer. There is a different breed out there now. Chicks just want to get the money and be out. They are not trying to stick around for days on end like their predecessors were. These are ADD hookers.[/QUOTE]That is why I said SA may be a better option because you have a better chance to find someone not conditioned that way. I don't know what is your definition of pimp. As far as I know, SA doesn't take money from the girl, and doesn't control them like many pimps do. By extension, I will say when someone you meet online introduces a girl to you, and only thru him, that person is a pimp and I guess you will refuse too.

For 28 days, don't forget to negotiate her downtime due to her period.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586851]Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. [/QUOTE]It does not mean they are stupid when they don't think the way you do. Turn the table around, say you were Mr E, and the women were given advise. You see where this is going?

Sometimes, the best advice is the hardest to listen to.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2586841]. Going to try anal this trip. Anyone know how to ask for that.[/QUOTE]After traveling with some people that is into some far out fetish stuff, that question can be perceived differently.

I don't know if you are the type of monger who wants the chica to strap on a dildo and put it up your ass, or you are trying to put it up her ass but the approach to ask the question is straight forward. The same way a monger confirms the chica will do BBBJ is the same way to confirm if she does anal, just ask. It will be an extra cost though.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2586851]Apparently the problem is the implied stupidity of Colombian women. I have no problem dealing with uneducated women. In all the hotspots for mongering. These are common, and it's rarely the girls fault. But I can't deal with stupidity and it seems that all I'm likely to find In Cartagena. It likely that these women would rather go to the clock tower every night where supply obviously outstrips demand, than accept a deal for COP 7 million. Apparently working girls are different and have no interest in repeat business. Then again I've read more than a few posts of girls not getting a customer and then going through their phone list to see which former client might be in need of company when the Clock Tower washes out for them.
[/QUOTE]Gone are the days where a monger can pop a Mombo36 and smash a chica out for hours on end because she knows no leche = no money. So they are leaning toward the monger gets 1 leche or 1 hour, which ever comes first.

You may need proof of concept. If you want to see how many chicas operate in Latin America, download Tinder, purchase the Plus features for the extra $10 or your countries equivalent. Set your location to Cartagena, then start talking to the girls with your initial offer of 250 K a day sex included or 7 million for 28 days sex included. You will quickly find many chicas won't even reply back.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586693]New decree: Curfew changes and new sectors are opened in Cartagena.

- The curfew will be in force from 2:00 am Until 5:00 am Of everyday. The measure had been running until midnight.

- During the validity of the new decree, public or private events are allowed, which includes concerts, massive sporting events, and dance venues, with a maximum capacity of 50% of the capacity of the infrastructure where the event takes place. The event, guaranteeing physical distancing of at least 1 meter.

- The entrance to the authorized beaches will continue at 8:00 am Until 6:00 pm.

The mandatory use of face masks is ordered in public spaces and commercial establishments where social distancing must be guaranteed.[/QUOTE]Thank you bro for the latest update. See you soon.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586647]As a local I can tell you that Medellin or Bogota are much more dangerous than Cartagena, Cartagena is a fairly small city compared to the two previous ones, and being a tourist city recognized worldwide as you say, security is very much taken care of in the areas more frequented by tourists, it is very rare to see a robbery in the walled city, maybe in the most remote areas the situation is different and if it is true that there is insecurity, but in places like Bocagrande or Laguito or on the beaches it is very rare to see a robbery.[/QUOTE]I have no fears of being robbed, Living in the USA and the DR I have a little more fear of robbery or carjacking so while traveling I do it smart, little to no drinking outside my apartment keep my distance and don't allow people to get up in your space and don't be overly flashy with jewelry and play attention, if you see the same faces show up in locations you was at prior, its highly likely you are being followed. Nothing new just the same rules as we have all followed for years. Yes last guy said that's what he thought too and your hired but mine is real and I will hire you for what I need and will PM you now and will wait your reply.

My girlfriend and her sister got robbed the shit out of the other day. She lives in Valledupar where the population is 490,000, so it is smaller than Cartagena's 900,000. I told her that I would not think mfs are committing crimes like that in small ass cities. She said it is sad to say, but it can and does happen everywhere.

En todos lados roban es lamentable decirlo pero es asi y valledupar es la ciudad donde vivi no es la excepcion amor.

Y bueno estabamos en una tienda comprando unas cosas con mi hermana y en ese momento llegaron a robar. Ya colocamos la denuncia tambien hay un video gracias a Dios habian camaras cerca todo es cuention ahora de las autoridades amor.

And no she did not ask me to buy her a new phone like chicks do these simps:

Me toca comprar un nuevo telefono y listo. Apenas pueda comprarlo te dare mi nuevo numero mi amor esta bien.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2586906]I am not sure what you are referring to so I am guessing. This is what he said.

That is why I said SA may be a better option because you have a better chance to find someone not conditioned that way. I don't know what is your definition of pimp. As far as I know, SA doesn't take money from the girl, and doesn't control them like many pimps do. By extension, I will say when someone you meet online introduces a girl to you, and only thru him, that person is a pimp and I guess you will refuse too.

For 28 days, don't forget to negotiate her downtime due to her period.

It does not mean they are stupid when they don't think the way you do. Turn the table around, say you were Mr E, and the women were given advise. You see where this is going?

Sometimes, the best advice is the hardest to listen to.[/QUOTE]Regarding Mr E, and your last sentence, at the best of times, I have a problem taking advice from anyone whose posts consists of misogyny, cynicism and pessimism. He may possibly be right, but the general consensus seems to be "It can be done, but it's not something I would even consider". That's fair enough, but I have to adapt my game to my circumstances, and my previous experience of what works best for me. So with nobody else apparently having even tried it, and others suggesting that it can be done, why should I listen to Mr E.

As far SA is concerned, what is happening on that site is undoubtedly P4 P and he is clearly acting as an intermediary. So what is the difference between an intermediary who takes the money from the customer in advance, and one who takes it from the woman after the event?

But let's be honest on my part, and admit to a degree of hypocrisy on the issue of paying pimps. I do and have paid barfines in SEA. I justify this exception on the grounds that if I take a girl from a bar and something goes wrong, I do have limited rights of redress, because most bars realise that if you have a good customer, it is not good for business for the girls to screw them over. It's my practice to pay the girl as soon as she enters my room. On one occasion, the girl vanished while I was in the shower. I went back to her bar, and she wasn't there. Told the manager what had occurred. She said she'd speak with the girl. The following day, I went back to the bar and was reimbursed for the 2 K, but not the barfine. They had taken the money from her monthly salary that she was due. It's a rare event in TH in particular for a girl to do that, but I have known of a couple of incidents where bars have helped customers recover stolen property from errant bargirls.

Turning to the issue of "downtime", I am pretty sure that I would not have to make a deduction for that, as I am confident that the girls are aware of more than one way of producing a happy ending.

That just leaves the issue of stupidity. My take on that is these girls are self-employed, they have a limited shelf-life, and looking at the Clock Tower, there definitely looks like over-supply to demand issue. I also read that prices fall the nearer you get to curfew time. My suspicion is that most of them are there, not because they want to be, but because they need to be, and my guess is that more will go home empty-handed than with a client most nights. Now factor in how many of those girls will earn COP 7 million in the next 28 days. Yet I am led to believe, that most girls have the attitude, "I won't accept this offer because the Clock Tower, (with all it's drawbacks: my thought) will still be there tomorrow". That strikes me as stupid.

But then looking at Mr E's comment, he does in fact concede that I might be able to get Venezuelan's to fit the bill. Clearly, I know nothing about the differences in Colombian and VZ girls, but would that be such a bad thing? I've seen reports of VZ girls on this site, and I have yet to see anyone say that they generally underperform compared to the local vintage. And as I mentioned in my Cucuta idea, VZ girls do have the advantage of being unlikely to have local attachments necessitating their absences for long periods.

Regardless, your points are noted and my reply to you is more governed by the contradictions that your post makes in respect of Mr E's posts, than any unwillingness to listen to your input.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2586979]Gone are the days where a monger can pop a Mombo36 and smash a chica out for hours on end because she knows no leche = no money. So they are leaning toward the monger gets 1 leche or 1 hour, which ever comes first.

You may need proof of concept. If you want to see how many chicas operate in Latin America, download Tinder, purchase the Plus features for the extra $10 or your countries equivalent. Set your location to Cartagena, then start talking to the girls with your initial offer of 250 K a day sex included or 7 million for 28 days sex included. You will quickly find many chicas won't even reply back.[/QUOTE]I've never tried Tinder and admit that I am not a fan of the concept. But if locals are using it because they are only in interested in ST, why would I want to?

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]Regarding Mr E, and your last sentence, at the best of times, I have a problem taking advice from anyone whose posts consists of misogyny, cynicism and pessimism. He may possibly be right, but[/QUOTE]Man you are funny. And it seems you have not really read anything I have said, at leasr not read it for understanding. So damn the content of what someone says. If you do not like how they said it then you are willing to discard the information to your own detriment.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]So with nobody else apparently having even tried it, and others suggesting that it can be done, why should I listen to Mr E.[/QUOTE]Shows exactly that you did not read because I said that I am not saying it is not possible or probably, which means it is possible and probable. So I did suggest it could be done.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]But let's be honest on my part, and admit to a degree of hypocrisy on the issue of paying pimps. I do and have paid barfines in SEA. I justify this exception on the grounds that if I take a girl from a bar and something goes wrong, I do have limited rights of redress[/QUOTE]So you have no problem with the pimps if they can assure things will work out in your favor?

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]That just leaves the issue of stupidity. My take on that is these girls are self-employed, they have a limited shelf-life, and looking at the Clock Tower, there definitely looks like over-supply to demand issue. I also read that prices fall the nearer you get to curfew time. My suspicion is that most of them are there, not because they want to be, but because they need to be, and my guess is that more will go home empty-handed than with a client most nights. Now factor in how many of those girls will earn COP 7 million in the next 28 days. Yet I am led to believe, that most girls have the attitude, "I won't accept this offer because the Clock Tower, (with all it's drawbacks: my thought) will still be there tomorrow". That strikes me as stupid.[/QUOTE]I never said the chicks are stupid. I said they are uneducated. Here you are saying they are stupid if they do this. So who is really the misogynist here? I made no judgment about the people. All I did was tell you how the culture works. But it seems to be beyond you that people would do this simply because you would not do this.

Just like if I said people in Thailand eat roaches. Because you would not eat roaches you assume that they would not as well. Then you ascribe that I am talking down on them because I merely relayed a piece of information. Then you go on to say it is stupid to eat roaches. But you not being able to see yourself doing it and considering it stupid, does not negate the fact that they actually do it.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]But then looking at Mr E's comment, he does in fact concede that I might be able to get Venezuelan's to fit the bill.[/QUOTE]I never said which nationality would or would not do something. You were fixated on Colombians. I was just notifying you that with the route you are taking that you would. Encounter more Venezuelans than Colombians. I do get it. You assume that because you are going to Colombia, then all the chicks or the majoity of them would be Colombian. But it is just like if you go to Boca Chica or Sosua in the Domimican Republic. The majority of the hookers out and about are going to be Haitian and not Dominican as one would assume.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587145]Regardless, your points are noted and my reply to you is more governed by the contradictions that your post makes in respect of Mr E's posts, than any unwillingness to listen to your input.[/QUOTE]LOL. I think you read his post wrong as well!

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2579824]No problem, Any information you need just tell me here, no PM is needed for that.[/QUOTE]Will be in Cartagena the dates of Sept. 1st -6th, would love to link up, grab drinks, & check out some of the hot spots!

Hey guys,

I will also start my first Colombia trip in 3 weeks, mongering around mainly in Cartagena and Medellin.

I've never been to South-America (only Thailand etc.), so would be cool to have some cervezas together. I am in my mid-30 is now. I will start my journey End-August in CTG.

I also started yesterday with some Tinder experiments. I am still not sure how to spot women there, that want to earn some extra money.

In TH ist was clearly more obviously. Any clues? Girls only dressed in bikinis? Is there a special Tinder-guide? Can I ask here if she seeking work work like in TH or could this be an offense? Would be great to receive some additional input.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587150]I've never tried Tinder and admit that I am not a fan of the concept. But if locals are using it because they are only in interested in ST, why would I want to?[/QUOTE]A lot of girls use it as another avenue to maximize their advising.

Some use it exclusively because they can get the gringo before he lands as opposed to going to the clock tower or the discos to compete with all the other chicas for gringos.

The good thing about Tinder is that you are doing the work before you land and getting into their head to see their personality. You will see which ones are all about the money and which ones are more genuine. Some of the best girls I've had was from Tinder, I make sure in my profile I put they must be under 25, no kids, must have Cedula to enter property.

I'm going to agree with the other poster and suggest Seeking Arrangements as they may be more long term minded.

Right now you have a few options to try and get what you are looking for. OnFireBoy, Seeking arrangement, Tinder, and the Clock Tower.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2578376]The prices vary according to the girl but for the whole night or all day on a yacht in Cholon, they are between 300 K and 500 K COP, my advice is that the night before you go to Cholon, try to meet some girls establish a mutual connection and thus be able to obtain a much lower price, and if you can stay with her from the night before it would be ideal if you are interested I have contact with some university girls that you do not find in pages or discos or in the clock tower and It could come out at a better price.

Regards.[/QUOTE]You are hired if you accept.

I need your help will pay for your help with 3 important task. I will be in Cartagena, Colom bia on August 10 to August 15 2021.

Task #1 The Law Firm Has put me in the Hyatt not good. I would like you to find me an apartment, just find the name of the contact and let me know if it is great or just good and we will book it with our travel agency top cost under or at $ 100 USD per night. Must have super good Wi-Fi, walk in shower and hot water not just warm, balcony with good view. Not too far from Clock Tower and over night guest friendly. Let me know your cost for this task We will pay 1/2 once you let me know if its good with everything I want and other half once we get it booked after you give the contact information we can send this to you WU that day.

Task #2 you to go to Clock Tower Clubs with me Space, Dulce, Delibum and Marino House one night during my visist but not 1st night. I need your cost for this service.

Task #3 I would like to get with 1-2 of your Young University girls with super hot bodies. Toda la noche your cost of find fee need to know your fee not hers. Paid when.

Service is made. Me more beach monger than club monger. Will explain later for my low to no attention is the way I move Don't want to be in the news. Get back to me ASAP.

KC TALENT MLBI sent this to you in a PM.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2587431]You are hired if you accept.

I need your help will pay for your help with 3 important task. I will be in Cartagena, Colom bia on August 10 to August 15 2021.

Task #1 The Law Firm Has put me in the Hyatt not good. I would like you to find me an apartment, just find the name of the contact and let me know if it is great or just good and we will book it with our travel agency top cost under or at $ 100 USD per night. Must have super good Wi-Fi, walk in shower and hot water not just warm, balcony with good view. Not too far from Clock Tower and over night guest friendly. Let me know your cost for this task We will pay 1/2 once you let me know if its good with everything I want and other half once we get it booked after you give the contact information we can send this to you WU that day.

Task #2 you to go to Clock Tower Clubs with me Space, Dulce, Delibum and Marino House one night during my visist but not 1st night. I need your cost for this service.

Task #3 I would like to get with 1-2 of your Young University girls with super hot bodies. Toda la noche your cost of find fee need to know your fee not hers. Paid when..[/QUOTE]Task #1 Is a high possible no. Guest friendly, under $100 per night, hot water, and close to the Clock tower? Good luck on such short notice getting a place like this because every monger would have that place booked 24/7 if it existed. Your only options may be hotels in Boca Grande or El Laguito with Cab rides back and forth to the clock tower for 8000 K each way. I can suggest OZ Hotel.

Task #2 Try to avoid buyers remorse, if you get something from a club, do not exit the walls from the the Clock Tower side jajaja.

[QUOTE=Piupiu;2587364]Hey guys,

I will also start my first Colombia trip in 3 weeks, mongering around mainly in Cartagena and Medellin.

I've never been to South-America (only Thailand etc.), so would be cool to have some cervezas together. I am in my mid-30 is now. I will start my journey End-August in CTG.

I also started yesterday with some Tinder experiments. I am still not sure how to spot women there, that want to earn some extra money.

In TH ist was clearly more obviously. Any clues? Girls only dressed in bikinis? Is there a special Tinder-guide? Can I ask here if she seeking work work like in TH or could this be an offense? Would be great to receive some additional input.[/QUOTE]If they have their Instagram profile listed, or they have their whatsapp number in their profile, or you see allot of bikini pics, or sexual poses, or open mouth with tongue sticking out looking like they are ready to catch the leche, or they have pics of selfies in a mirror where you can see the rear of the phone and in the rear of the phone is American currency, then you know what's up and you can begin with the usual Hola, Como estas? When they reply its usually "bien why tu" and you can follow back with "Muy bien" then ask "Prepargo?" or "Tu cobras?" and they usually come back with "Si" or "Obvio" if by chance you get a "no" then immediately unmatch. If you get a "Si" you next step is to take the conversation outside of tinder and continue it on whatsapp or instagram where you can discuss prices and services. Once you start the conversation outside of Tinder, go back and unmatch them because they can be vindictive and report you, once you get too many reports, they will ban you. I've been there, had to make a whole new Facebook with fake name and a new phone number just to use Tinder again.

You are however beginning talks way too early. Once they find out when you are coming they will most likely say they will wait for you, or see you when you get here, and then they will stop responding to you until you actually get there. I usually start swiping a few days before my arrival date and line them up.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2587377]A lot of girls use it as another avenue to maximize their advising.

Some use it exclusively because they can get the gringo before he lands as opposed to going to the clock tower or the discos to compete with all the other chicas for gringos.

The good thing about Tinder is that you are doing the work before you land and getting into their head to see their personality. You will see which ones are all about the money and which ones are more genuine. Some of the best girls I've had was from Tinder, I make sure in my profile I put they must be under 25, no kids, must have Cedula to enter property.

I'm going to agree with the other poster and suggest Seeking Arrangements as they may be more long term minded.

Right now you have a few options to try and get what you are looking for. OnFireBoy, Seeking arrangement, Tinder, and the Clock Tower.[/QUOTE]Best of luck to those who try to get ahead of the game. I am all for the enterprising girls.

My reservations about Tinder is that it has more than it's fair share of predators and scammers. I suppose the same can be said of other apps such as online dating, but you have a chance to do some online screening, such as reverse google image searches. I also try to get email addresses because you can do "Whois" lookups on the IP address. A few years back I was suspicious of a girl who claimed to be the daughter of Vietnamese asylum seekers. I did a "whois" and the IP had it's own entry beginning with the IP address followed by "Is linked to notorious Ghanain Scammer name. " In short, Tinder does not really allow for me to do any due-diligence before you get into a verbal convo with the other party. When using an online app, I can usually figure out in about 3 or 4 messages, whether I am dealing with a potential scammer.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2585948]I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.[/QUOTE]- I understand your point of view. I was thinking the same thing, except I was thinking of hiring a girl from Bogota's Santa Fe, and taking her to Santa Marta for 1 or 2 weeks. IMO, Bogota is so much better than Medellin and Cucuta, mainly because of the size of Santa Fe. So much larger, so much selection available. Only thing is if you get a girl from Facebook. It seems that is Medellin scene.

- For variety, I would change the 3rd girl (who I will try to find in Santa Marta) in a threesome. There are numerous advantages of bringing in a known performer. You will have a guarantee GFE with at least 1 girl. It is always hit and miss getting a new girl. Also, even if the hotel is absolutely non guest friendly, you should be able to bring that girl with you IF you check in with her during your initial check-in. Assuming it will be the same for the Airbnb if you add her name when you register.

- I was thinking how much to offer. I'm just guessing, but in 2019 I was talking to a regular. She is decent, above average. On a long day of working, she would at least make 200 K. On a good day, she said she made between 300-400 K. So I'm guessing she normally makes between 200-300 K per day. I was thinking you have to consider what she makes in a day. I was thinking of offering her 300 K per day. Maybe I should save some money and offer her 250 K per day. I wouldn't give her 100 K in gifts everyday, but I would buy her 2 outfits for Bogota and 2 outfits for Santa Marta. I wouldn't want her to dress like a puta when I take her to restaurants and clubs. And then I probably will give her a tip at the end. I have a soft spot for girls who suck my dick.

- People are saying you are overpaying because you are not getting the 2 discounts that are potentially available. The long term discount for 28 days, and the discount many girls will accept being wined and dined at a nice resort. But 1 advantage of paying her full wage everyday is that you can tell her to leave anytime. I would offer her the full wage at 300 K per day for however long I want to keep her. You should always negotiate everything in advance.

- Overpaying is ok for you and her. As I said, I have a soft spot for girls that do everything I say. It is fucking ridiculous when people (here and other threads) say that the girls will respect you more if you pay the local price. Some idiot in the Brazilian thread said that the girl will scoff at you in the room if buy a $10 lady's drink. Ridiculous! How would anyone know! Yes, many girls will talk shit about nerds, nice guys, big spenders. But those same girls will talk shit about the cheap charlies, when those people are not in the room. Absolutely ridiculous if people think that there are advantages in paying the local price instead of a little extra. The real question is, is there an advantage in overpaying. That is the real question! There might be, but it would depend on the girl. For many girls, overpaying probably will not make a difference. (Another thread that should be started). I like to research, find the local price, and then maybe depending on the circumstances, overpay by a little.

- I'm surprised no one brought up the problem you might have if you hire a Venezuelan. Will the airlines and hotel accept her ID? Also, there are ones with papers and without. Will the airlines and hotels accept the Venezuelan without official papers. Is Venezuelan ID sufficient?

- If you have the girl's ID, that should offer some protection of getting robbed.

Let me get this in before I block you who cares.... Your attitude you going to get robbed.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2587586]- I understand your point of view. I was thinking the same thing, except I was thinking of hiring a girl from Bogota's Santa Fe, and taking her to Santa Marta for 1 or 2 weeks. IMO, Bogota is so much better than Medellin and Cucuta, mainly because of the size of Santa Fe. So much larger, so much selection available. Only thing is if you get a girl from Facebook. It seems that is Medellin scene.

- For variety, I would change the 3rd girl (who I will try to find in Santa Marta) in a threesome. There are numerous advantages of bringing in a known performer. You will have a guarantee GFE with at least 1 girl. It is always hit and miss getting a new girl. Also, even if the hotel is absolutely non guest friendly, you should be able to bring that girl with you IF you check in with her during your initial check-in. Assuming it will be the same for the Airbnb if you add her name when you register.

- I was thinking how much to offer. I'm just guessing, but in 2019 I was talking to a regular. She is decent, above average. On a long day of working, she would at least make 200 K. On a good day, she said she made between 300-400 K. So I'm guessing she normally makes between 200-300 K per day. I was thinking you have to consider what she makes in a day. I was thinking of offering her 300 K per day. Maybe I should save some money and offer her 250 K per day. I wouldn't give her 100 K in gifts everyday, but I would buy her 2 outfits for Bogota and 2 outfits for Santa Marta. I wouldn't want her to dress like a puta when I take her to restaurants and clubs. And then I probably will give her a tip at the end. I have a soft spot for girls who suck my dick.

- People are saying you are overpaying because you are not getting the 2 discounts that are potentially available. The long term discount for 28 days, and the discount many girls will accept being wined and dined at a nice resort. But 1 advantage of paying her full wage everyday is that you can tell her to leave anytime. I would offer her the full wage at 300 K per day for however long I want to keep her. You should always negotiate everything in advance.

- Overpaying is ok for you and her. As I said, I have a soft spot for girls that do everything I say. It is fucking ridiculous when people (here and other threads) say that the girls will respect you more if you pay the local price. Some idiot in the Brazilian thread said that the girl will scoff at you in the room if buy a $10 lady's drink. Ridiculous! How would anyone know! Yes, many girls will talk shit about nerds, nice guys, big spenders. But those same girls will talk shit about the cheap charlies, when those people are not in the room. Absolutely ridiculous if people think that there are advantages in paying the local price instead of a little extra. The real question is, is there an advantage in overpaying. That is the real question! There might be, but it would depend on the girl. For many girls, overpaying probably will not make a difference. (Another thread that should be started). I like to research, find the local price, and then maybe depending on the circumstances, overpay by a little.

- I'm surprised no one brought up the problem you might have if you hire a Venezuelan. Will the airlines and hotel accept her ID? Also, there are ones with papers and without. Will the airlines and hotels accept the Venezuelan without official papers. Is Venezuelan ID sufficient?

- If you have the girl's ID, that should offer some protection of getting robbed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2587458]Task #1 Is a high possible no. Guest friendly, under $100 per night, hot water, and close to the Clock tower? Good luck on such short notice getting a place like this because every monger would have that place booked 24/7 if it existed. Your only options may be hotels in Boca Grande or El Laguito with Cab rides back and forth to the clock tower for 8000 K each way. I can suggest OZ Hotel.

Task #2 Try to avoid buyers remorse, if you get something from a club, do not exit the walls from the the Clock Tower side jajaja.[/QUOTE]Thanks Nypher, great heads up information. I was hoping my monger brothers would have contacts they have used that are apartment owners that they would supply me with, but as of today not a one. The OZ I would take but it is sold out for my dates. I don't mind the cab rides back and forth or the cost if I could find something in Boca Grande or EL Laguito no luck yet. I think I will just go back in my bag and pull out a little leverage. Since the agency is sending me emails on places to book as a urgency I have advised them to book it only if my (Fake) co-worker can get in with a late arrival (midnight) without a name until they arrive because I don't know who the firm will be sending. Talked to one apartment manager she said " Okay but only need ID to check in". I think I will try this angel and just hope the chica have her ID since we booked for 2 and already paid for 2. Hope to still hear from brother monger with apartment owners contact information. Thanks Nypher I will avoid the exist from clock tower at all cost.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2587558]I also try to get email addresses because you can do "Whois" lookups on the IP address. A few years back I was suspicious of a girl who claimed to be the daughter of Vietnamese asylum seekers. I did a "whois" and the IP had it's own entry beginning with the IP address followed by "Is linked to notorious Ghanain Scammer name. " [/QUOTE]Whois is for domain name, not email address.

There's a map with all the hotels and places you can stay marked as to whether they're guests friendly or not I'm not sure exactly where l. Find the map someone wants a lot of trouble to I'm not sure who did it hillbilly or world traveler.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2587679]Thanks Nypher, great heads up information. I was hoping my monger brothers would have contacts they have used that are apartment owners that they would supply me with, but as of today not a one. The OZ I would take but it is sold out for my dates. I don't mind the cab rides back and forth or the cost if I could find something in Boca Grande or EL Laguito no luck yet. I think I will just go back in my bag and pull out a little leverage. Since the agency is sending me emails on places to book as a urgency I have advised them to book it only if my (Fake) co-worker can get in with a late arrival (midnight) without a name until they arrive because I don't know who the firm will be sending. Talked to one apartment manager she said " Okay but only need ID to check in". I think I will try this angel and just hope the chica have her ID since we booked for 2 and already paid for 2. Hope to still hear from brother monger with apartment owners contact information. Thanks Nypher I will avoid the exist from clock tower at all cost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Piupiu;2587364]Hey guys,

I will also start my first Colombia trip in 3 weeks, mongering around mainly in Cartagena and Medellin.

I've never been to South-America (only Thailand etc.), so would be cool to have some cervezas together. I am in my mid-30 is now. I will start my journey End-August in CTG.

I also started yesterday with some Tinder experiments. I am still not sure how to spot women there, that want to earn some extra money.

In TH ist was clearly more obviously. Any clues? Girls only dressed in bikinis? Is there a special Tinder-guide? Can I ask here if she seeking work work like in TH or could this be an offense? Would be great to receive some additional input.[/QUOTE]It's Colombia bro every girl on tinder is selling pussy. You can be in ya mid 30 or mid 70's all they care about is what in ya wallet LOL. Ain't no free pussy in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2587788]There's a map with all the hotels and places you can stay marked as to whether they're guests friendly or not I'm not sure exactly where l. Find the map someone wants a lot of trouble to I'm not sure who did it hillbilly or world traveler.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2180-Cartagena-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2587679]Thanks Nypher, great heads up information. I was hoping my monger brothers would have contacts they have used that are apartment owners that they would supply me with, but as of today not a one. The OZ I would take but it is sold out for my dates. I don't mind the cab rides back and forth or the cost if I could find something in Boca Grande or EL Laguito no luck yet. I think I will just go back in my bag and pull out a little leverage. Since the agency is sending me emails on places to book as a urgency I have advised them to book it only if my (Fake) co-worker can get in with a late arrival (midnight) without a name until they arrive because I don't know who the firm will be sending. Talked to one apartment manager she said " Okay but only need ID to check in". I think I will try this angel and just hope the chica have her ID since we booked for 2 and already paid for 2. Hope to still hear from brother monger with apartment owners contact information. Thanks Nypher I will avoid the exist from clock tower at all cost.[/QUOTE]Here is where to find the map that Kafka refers to.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2180-Cartagena-Lists[/URL]

Another resource which you should review thoroughly is the "Cartagena Hotels and Rental Apartments" and even if you need to go back a ways, years, do not assume everything changes, not everything does. There is a lot of good info if you study
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2483-Cartagena-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2587586]

- Overpaying is ok for you and her. As I said, I have a soft spot for girls that do everything I say. It is fucking ridiculous when people (here and other threads) say that the girls will respect you more if you pay the local price. Some idiot in the Brazilian thread said that the girl will scoff at you in the room if buy a $10 lady's drink. Ridiculous! How would anyone know! Yes, many girls will talk shit about nerds, nice guys, big spenders. But those same girls will talk shit about the cheap charlies, when those people are not in the room. Absolutely ridiculous if people think that there are advantages in paying the local price instead of a little extra. The real question is, is there an advantage in overpaying. That is the real question! There might be, but it would depend on the girl. For many girls, overpaying probably will not make a difference. (Another thread that should be started). I like to research, find the local price, and then maybe depending on the circumstances, overpay by a little.[/QUOTE]Not clear who you're ranting against. So don't be a cheap Charlie, what's the problem? If a girl does everything you tell her, why not give her a little tip? I prefer rewarding a good performance with a small gift, but whatever.

I think what people are telling you is don't throw your money around, and for a good reason. It's not going to buy you love or respect, only ridicule. And in Colombia might very well put a target on your back.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588027]I think what people are telling you is don't throw your money around, and for a good reason. It's not going to buy you love or respect, only ridicule.[/QUOTE]I would respectfully disagree. I think that you can buy love and respect. Of course, I have no proof. Just like you can "buy" love from your nieces / nephews with gifts, I think you can buy affection from a working girl. Is it real? After awhile, maybe. Some girls will ridicule you, but many girls will not. Obviously, no one knows for sure.

Are there advantages in overpaying? Maybe for some girls. I've had a regular walk across the street to see me (which I don't like). I've had girls tell the cleaner to not knock early. Also, after the first knock, some girls will continue until the 2nd knock. The 3rd knock is when they hustle out the door. Sometimes the girls will open up their menu. Some girls allow pictures. Was it because I overpaid. I don't know. Very hard, almost impossible, to do a double blind test.

Also, I am not ranting against the cheap charlies. I have respect for them. Nothing wrong against paying the market price. I respect Mr. E for paying the local price, although he doesn't mention the fine print all the time. I'm all for saving money. But I just think it's funny when people say that the girls will think you're an idiot if you overpay. IMO, the extra money buys a little more affection from some of the girls. AND it makes me happy.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2588027]And in Colombia might very well put a target on your back.[/QUOTE]I don't go crazy with my money. I overpay slightly. I pay 100 K per hour instead of 70 or 80 K in Santa Fe. Will that put a target on my back.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2587586]- I understand your point of view. I was thinking the same thing, except I was thinking of hiring a girl from Bogota's Santa Fe, and taking her to Santa Marta for 1 or 2 weeks. IMO, Bogota is so much better than Medellin and Cucuta, mainly because of the size of Santa Fe. So much larger, so much selection available. Only thing is if you get a girl from Facebook. It seems that is Medellin scene.

- For variety, I would change the 3rd girl (who I will try to find in Santa Marta) in a threesome. There are numerous advantages of bringing in a known performer. You will have a guarantee GFE with at least 1 girl. It is always hit and miss getting a new girl. Also, even if the hotel is absolutely non guest friendly, you should be able to bring that girl with you IF you check in with her during your initial check-in. Assuming it will be the same for the Airbnb if you add her name when you register.

- I was thinking how much to offer. I'm just guessing, but in 2019 I was talking to a regular. She is decent, above average. On a long day of working, she would at least make 200 K. On a good day, she said she made between 300-400 K. So I'm guessing she normally makes between 200-300 K per day. I was thinking you have to consider what she makes in a day. I was thinking of offering her 300 K per day. Maybe I should save some money and offer her 250 K per day. I wouldn't give her 100 K in gifts everyday, but I would buy her 2 outfits for Bogota and 2 outfits for Santa Marta. I wouldn't want her to dress like a puta when I take her to restaurants and clubs. And then I probably will give her a tip at the end. I have a soft spot for girls who suck my dick.

- People are saying you are overpaying because you are not getting the 2 discounts that are potentially available. The long term discount for 28 days, and the discount many girls will accept being wined and dined at a nice resort. But 1 advantage of paying her full wage everyday is that you can tell her to leave anytime. I would offer her the full wage at 300 K per day for however long I want to keep her. You should always negotiate everything in advance.

- Overpaying is ok for you and her. As I said, I have a soft spot for girls that do everything I say. It is fucking ridiculous when people (here and other threads) say that the girls will respect you more if you pay the local price. Some idiot in the Brazilian thread said that the girl will scoff at you in the room if buy a $10 lady's drink. Ridiculous! How would anyone know! Yes, many girls will talk shit about nerds, nice guys, big spenders. But those same girls will talk shit about the cheap charlies, when those people are not in the room. Absolutely ridiculous if people think that there are advantages in paying the local price instead of a little extra. The real question is, is there an advantage in overpaying. That is the real question! There might be, but it would depend on the girl. For many girls, overpaying probably will not make a difference. (Another thread that should be started). I like to research, find the local price, and then maybe depending on the circumstances, overpay by a little.

- I'm surprised no one brought up the problem you might have if you hire a Venezuelan. Will the airlines and hotel accept her ID? Also, there are ones with papers and without. Will the airlines and hotels accept the Venezuelan without official papers. Is Venezuelan ID sufficient?

- If you have the girl's ID, that should offer some protection of getting robbed.[/QUOTE]In case you are unaware the rest of the "great minds", but fools seldom differ.

Your first two paragraphs reflect much of my thinking and potential planning. I've already checked with Airbnb hosts, and I've had a couple of replies about potentially needing to change girls. One said "OK but you must take responsibility for any guests". The other, "As long as they are of age". Regarding Cucuta, that was perhaps more a whimsical thought. Of course that undermines the false claim by Mr Knows Everything, that I was fixated on Colombians.

But it's good to see someone who doesn't think that giving the girl a good time, is among the mortal sins of mongering. Regarding the price itself, I was not locked into 250 k a day, but in all the circumstances, it seemed a reasonable offer. I'm not sure many girls are likely to earn that amount in that time, notwithstanding the comfort of job security for that period, though I understand that latter consideration doesn't count for much in Colombia. I'd be very surprised if someone doesn't tell you that at 300 k, your overpaying, though you won't hear that from me. It's your money. You spend it how you want. As far as "paying local prices" is concerned, and what the girls may say about you, I can't claim to have an insight into the Colombian mind, but it occurs to me, that you would be right about their disdain for "cheap charlies". The idea that they will respect someone more because they don't overpay seems dubious at best. After all, are they really so opposed to maximising their earnings? Regarding shopping trips, I wonder if you have the same view as me? I consider I have a good eye for dressing a girl, so I choose the outer garments and they definitely look good without looking trashy or sluttish.

I had thought about ID issues, particularly with regard to airlines, and I would have investigates this further before even trying that plan, especially as there appears to be no universal standard as to what is acceptable for boarding an aircraft.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2587708]Whois is for domain name, not email address.[/QUOTE]You are almost certainly right, but being an old git myself, I do have problems recalling the correct cyberlinguistics.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2588009][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2180-Cartagena-Lists[/URL][/QUOTE]I wish there was a pin this up because everybody keeps asking the same questions. Anyway I'm back there on the 18th or so. I know I'm a glutton for punishment but this time I'm going to save my leche only the hottest.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2588178]I wish there was a pin this up because everybody keeps asking the same questions. Anyway I'm back there on the 18th or so. I know I'm a glutton for punishment but this time I'm going to save my leche only the hottest.[/QUOTE]I'll be there that week as well with a few friends. We might pass each other while mongering inside the walls jajaja.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2588013]Here is where to find the map that Kafka refers to.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2180-Cartagena-Lists[/URL]

Another resource which you should review thoroughly is the "Cartagena Hotels and Rental Apartments" and even if you need to go back a ways, years, do not assume everything changes, not everything does. There is a lot of good info if you study
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2483-Cartagena-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/QUOTE]Thanks both Mojo Bandit and Kafka again really great information, so went to work and found lots of great stuff. I been in contact with 2 apartment owners with good-looking apartments near Hollywood beach. I just asked them," can I have 2 girls as over-night guest, or just 1", I will know more once they confirm my questions. I also made a 1 day booking at OZ for more time to find the apartment I want.

Now I just need to worry about the airline not getting cancel which have been the issue this week. If good will be in Cartagena on the 10th of August.

So, I made my first visit to Cartegena along with a good friend a few weeks back in mid July. We both had the time of our lives. My formula is this: food, culture, & excursions / adventure by day. Debauchery by night. I'm going to skip the day part.

Night 1 wound up meeting this young caramel twenty something beauty at club space, she was a solid 9 out of 10. We negotiated things in the club and went back to the apartment for an hour. It was very transactional. If it wasn't for the fact she was so hot it would have been a slight disappointment. I went to go rub and suck on her breasts and she stopped me and warned me she was lactating. Even if I was into that, I don't think she would have entertained the idea.

Night 2 This blonde who didn't seem like a full pro kinda latched onto me inside Delirium and stared dancing and grinding etc. This place was packed on a Thursday night. Probably a 20 to 1 ratio of women to men. Anyway, my friend sealed a deal for a threesome with a hot Latina and young ebony hottie. Both 20 somethings. My blonde seemed like late 20's early 30's and frankly slightly on chubby / thick side. She appealed to me because she didn't seem like a pro. I invited her back to the apartment and she agreed, I asked her what she wanted and she said something to the effect of she didn't want to mess it up with money. So we get back to the place and take care of business. My guy wraps up in an hour or so, sees his girls out and sticks his head in my door to check on me while the blonde is riding me reverse cowgirl. I invited him to join the fun and she didn't object. I enjoyed myself, my guy enjoyed himself and based on the number of times she squirted and screamed, I'd say she enjoyed herself too! When it was all said and done we both made a donation that she accepted but never asked for and she went on her merry way. It was completely GFE up until my buddy joined in, then it was no holds barred PSE.

Night 3: wound up in Dolce Vita. There were 4 of us male "tourists" and probably about 40+ women. They were all attractive by someone's standards but mostly not my type. They were seemed mostly petite. We were drinking and talking amongst ourselves, none of the women approached our hounded us. They just waited for us to make the move. Until one of the other guys taps me on the shoulder and says hey, she wants to talk to you. I look up and there is this 5'10" gorgeous chocolate queen at the bar smiling at me. Think, Vivica Foxx.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2588035]

I don't go crazy with my money. I overpay slightly. I pay 100 K per hour instead of 70 or 80 K in Santa Fe. Will that put a target on my back.[/QUOTE]Gee that's what you call overpaying? I thought you're dropping benjamins left and right, LOL.

Well, you've got my blessing (not that you need it, LOL).

Peace.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2588410]So, I made my first visit to Cartegena along with a good friend a few weeks back in mid July. We both had the time of our lives. My formula is this: food, culture, & excursions / adventure by day. Debauchery by night. I'm going to skip the day part.

Night 1 wound up meeting this young caramel twenty something beauty at club space, she was a solid 9 out of 10. We negotiated things in the club and went back to the apartment for an hour. It was very transactional. If it wasn't for the fact she was so hot it would have been a slight disappointment. I went to go rub and suck on her breasts and she stopped me and warned me she was lactating. Even if I was into that, I don't think she would have entertained the idea.

Night 2 This blonde who didn't seem like a full pro kinda latched onto me inside Delirium and stared dancing and grinding etc. This place was packed on a Thursday night. Probably a 20 to 1 ratio of women to men. Anyway, my friend sealed a deal for a threesome with a hot Latina and young ebony hottie. Both 20 somethings. My blonde seemed like late 20's early 30's and frankly slightly on chubby / thick side. She appealed to me because she didn't seem like a pro. I invited her back to the apartment and she agreed, I asked her what she wanted and she said something to the effect of she didn't want to mess it up with money. So we get back to the place and take care of business. My guy wraps up in an hour or so, sees his girls out and sticks his head in my door to check on me while the blonde is riding me reverse cowgirl. I invited him to join the fun and she didn't object. I enjoyed myself, my guy enjoyed himself and based on the number of times she squirted and screamed, I'd say she enjoyed herself too! When it was all said and done we both made a donation that she accepted but never asked for and she went on her merry way. It was completely GFE up until my buddy joined in, then it was no holds barred PSE.[/QUOTE]So it seems that I followed the advice in the FAQ and copied and pasted my long ass post to notepad to avoid losing it if I got times out but didn't get the whole thing and I did actually get timed out. So, let me know if there is interest in hearing the "rest of the story" and I'll make time to recreate.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2588410] ............................She appealed to me because she didn't seem like a pro. I invited her back to the apartment and she agreed, I asked her what she wanted and she said something to the effect of she didn't want to mess it up with money. So we get back to the place and take care of business. My guy wraps up in an hour or so, sees his girls out and sticks his head in my door to check on me while the blonde is riding me reverse cowgirl. I invited him to join the fun and she didn't object. I enjoyed myself, my guy enjoyed himself and based on the number of times she squirted and screamed, I'd say she enjoyed herself too! When it was all said and done we both made a donation that she accepted but never asked for and she went on her merry way. [/QUOTE]Your first trip and you invited a brand new chica from Delirium of all places, back to your apartment without discussing prices. Then proceed to add another cock that just finished with 2 other girls to which she had zero objections and she was happy with whatever you and your friend gave her? You are lucky that didn't go wrong.

How much exactly was the donation? Also you might want to get tested if she's letting random gringos hit raw and having threesomes without talking money first.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2588564]So it seems that I followed the advice in the FAQ and copied and pasted my long ass post to notepad to avoid losing it if I got times out but didn't get the whole thing and I did actually get timed out. So, let me know if there is interest in hearing the "rest of the story" and I'll make time to recreate.[/QUOTE]I'm interested. Also what is the current mask / curfew situation? Can you briefly describe your excursions? They are a big part of the fun in Cartagena for me, especially with a hot chica in toe. I will be back there this Nov or Dec.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2588410]So, I made my first visit to Cartegena along with a good friend a few weeks back in mid July. We both had the time of our lives. My formula is this: food, culture, & excursions / adventure by day. Debauchery by night. I'm going to skip the day part.

Night 1 wound up meeting this young caramel twenty something beauty at club space, she was a solid 9 out of 10. We negotiated things in the club and went back to the apartment for an hour. It was very transactional. If it wasn't for the fact she was so hot it would have been a slight disappointment. I went to go rub and suck on her breasts and she stopped me and warned me she was lactating. Even if I was into that, I don't think she would have entertained the idea.

Night 2 This blonde who didn't seem like a full pro kinda latched onto me inside Delirium and stared dancing and grinding etc. This place was packed on a Thursday night. Probably a 20 to 1 ratio of women to men. Anyway, my friend sealed a deal for a threesome with a hot Latina and young ebony hottie. Both 20 somethings. My blonde seemed like late 20's early 30's and frankly slightly on chubby / thick side. She appealed to me because she didn't seem like a pro. I invited her back to the apartment and she agreed, I asked her what she wanted and she said something to the effect of she didn't want to mess it up with money. So we get back to the place and take care of business. My guy wraps up in an hour or so, sees his girls out and sticks his head in my door to check on me while the blonde is riding me reverse cowgirl. I invited him to join the fun and she didn't object. I enjoyed myself, my guy enjoyed himself and based on the number of times she squirted and screamed, I'd say she enjoyed herself too! When it was all said and done we both made a donation that she accepted but never asked for and she went on her merry way. It was completely GFE up until my buddy joined in, then it was no holds barred PSE.[/QUOTE]Great report. Which apartment you stayed. Is it in centro or Bocagrande.

Interested! Can you put prices too?

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2588564]So it seems that I followed the advice in the FAQ and copied and pasted my long ass post to notepad to avoid losing it if I got times out but didn't get the whole thing and I did actually get timed out. So, let me know if there is interest in hearing the "rest of the story" and I'll make time to recreate.[/QUOTE]

Okay so me and a couple of friends will be going to Cartagena next week Friday-Sunday. I read through these posts and know where to find chicas at and also for how much. The issue I am having is where do you guys say? I know how the city is broken down between San Diego, Centro, Bocagrande, etc. The question I have is can I find an airbnb that is located in Bocagrande that is guest friendly. It seems like every Airbnb does not allow guest down there. I was deciding on staying in Centro and San Diego near the action but also want to be somewhat of a tourist and get a nice 13th floor penthouse with a pool and view of the ocean. LOL guess you can not have both. So I need some advice.

1. even though they say guest are not allowed can I use pay the security guard to allow us to bring chicas up.

2. should I just stay in Centro near the action? A hotel or Airbnb y'all recommend?

3. Just get short time hotels (never tried this). How was it?

How about this If you too lazy to actually read through the thread even from yesterday why should we bother answering any of your questions.? This isn't a tourist agency we're here to share information and the things that you're asking about have been gone over again and again and again...... Look at the map the Chica friendly places are listed there..... Unfortunately it's not as easy as it wants was to find someplace that will allow you to bring these girls in but trust me once you pick the girls you'll find a place for you to fuck If you can't or don't want to go back to your own place..... If you want to stay someplace nice this is really the best option. Otherwise just keep in mind the beach is not a strip club go have fun and just to respect the fact that You're not a VIP cuz you buy a beach chair for 5 bucks and buy a girl a drink. Lol

[QUOTE=BlackCrystal;2588961]Okay so me and a couple of friends will be going to Cartagena next week Friday-Sunday. I read through these posts and know where to find chicas at and also for how much. The issue I am having is where do you guys say? I know how the city is broken down between San Diego, Centro, Bocagrande, etc. The question I have is can I find an airbnb that is located in Bocagrande that is guest friendly. It seems like every Airbnb does not allow guest down there. I was deciding on staying in Centro and San Diego near the action but also want to be somewhat of a tourist and get a nice 13th floor penthouse with a pool and view of the ocean. LOL guess you can not have both. So I need some advice.

1. even though they say guest are not allowed can I use pay the security guard to allow us to bring chicas up.

2. should I just stay in Centro near the action? A hotel or Airbnb y'all recommend?

3. Just get short time hotels (never tried this). How was it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackCrystal;2588961]Okay so me and a couple of friends will be going to Cartagena next week Friday-Sunday. I read through these posts and know where to find chicas at and also for how much. The issue I am having is where do you guys say? I know how the city is broken down between San Diego, Centro, Bocagrande, etc. The question I have is can I find an airbnb that is located in Bocagrande that is guest friendly. It seems like every Airbnb does not allow guest down there. I was deciding on staying in Centro and San Diego near the action but also want to be somewhat of a tourist and get a nice 13th floor penthouse with a pool and view of the ocean. LOL guess you can not have both. So I need some advice.

1. even though they say guest are not allowed can I use pay the security guard to allow us to bring chicas up.

2. should I just stay in Centro near the action? A hotel or Airbnb y'all recommend?

3. Just get short time hotels (never tried this). How was it?[/QUOTE]You really have the expectation to find a guest friendly apartment that will be available in 1 week? Unless someone canceled, Doubt it. Every monger already booked their guest friendly places way in advance, they don't wait 1 week out to make the most critical decision that will effect their stay.

1. Yes you can sometimes pay security to let the girl up but then they get greedy and will want $XX per chica you bring in, that won't be fun after the third chica.

2. Hotels are an option you can try but I don't know what their updated guest policy are due to COVID. Apartments in Centro can be a hit or miss when it comes to hot water and many of them do not allow guests, some even go as far as putting in the house rules they do not rent to men.

3. Check the map or when you pick up the chica, ask her and she will tell you. I've never done it because I don't like to be on a time limit and I like to move freely.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2589004]How about this If you too lazy to actually read through the thread even from yesterday why should we bother answering any of your questions.? This isn't a tourist agency we're here to share information and the things that you're asking about have been gone over again and again and again...... Look at the map the Chica friendly places are listed there..... Unfortunately it's not as easy as it wants was to find someplace that will allow you to bring these girls in but trust me once you pick the girls you'll find a place for you to fuck If you can't or don't want to go back to your own place..... If you want to stay someplace nice this is really the best option. Otherwise just keep in mind the beach is not a strip club go have fun and just to respect the fact that You're not a VIP cuz you buy a beach chair for 5 bucks and buy a girl a drink. Lol[/QUOTE]He is so right. I had the same issue but all resolve just do what they're telling you and yes you need to read the forum here and in the Cartagena Hotel and Apartment section.

I sent messages to Apartments and Airbnb's asking if guest friendly answers yes they allowed guest that signed in with you. I was told by a good forum member that I was the guest and to ask if visitors are allowed and yes that worked better was told only up to a time but never over night, some said sure with prior arraignment as a visitor of a guest and with restrictions. Many said hell no chica allowed. I'm not new as a monger but still when in a new location I listen to others and RTFF and learn which makes for a greater plan trip. I have a nice hotel for 3 days, girl visitors over night approved and a Airbnb for 3 days also girl friendly with over nights visitors. RTFF send some messages and make some calls.

I know my board cred isn't as strong here, but if you're ever in DC I can be of big help.

Always wondered why I couldn't link accounts.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2589089]He is so right. I had the same issue but all resolve just do what they're telling you and yes you need to read the forum here and in the Cartagena Hotel and Apartment section.

I sent messages to Apartments and Airbnb's asking if guest friendly answers yes they allowed guest that signed in with you. I was told by a good forum member that I was the guest and to ask if visitors are allowed and yes that worked better was told only up to a time but never over night, some said sure with prior arraignment as a visitor of a guest and with restrictions. Many said hell no chica allowed. I'm not new as a monger but still when in a new location I listen to others and RTFF and learn which makes for a greater plan trip. I have a nice hotel for 3 days, girl visitors over night approved and a Airbnb for 3 days also girl friendly with over nights visitors. RTFF send some messages and make some calls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2587470]If they have their Instagram profile listed, or they have their whatsapp number in their profile, or you see allot of bikini pics, or sexual poses, or open mouth with tongue sticking out looking like they are ready to catch the leche, or they have pics of selfies in a mirror where you can see the rear of the phone and in the rear of the phone is American currency, then you know what's up and you can begin with the usual Hola, Como estas? When they reply its usually "bien why tu" and you can follow back with "Muy bien" then ask "Prepargo?" or "Tu cobras?" and they usually come back with "Si" or "Obvio" if by chance you get a "no" then immediately unmatch. If you get a "Si" you next step is to take the conversation outside of tinder and continue it on whatsapp or instagram where you can discuss prices and services. Once you start the conversation outside of Tinder, go back and unmatch them because they can be vindictive and report you, once you get too many reports, they will ban you. I've been there, had to make a whole new Facebook with fake name and a new phone number just to use Tinder again.

You are however beginning talks way too early. Once they find out when you are coming they will most likely say they will wait for you, or see you when you get here, and then they will stop responding to you until you actually get there. I usually start swiping a few days before my arrival date and line them up.[/QUOTE]Awesome! Many thanks for your efforts, will try it this this way.

[QUOTE=WashingtonWiz;2589236]I know my board cred isn't as strong here, but if you're ever in DC I can be of big help.

Always wondered why I couldn't link accounts.[/QUOTE]Go to the web-site for Airbnb, see if you can get luckily by sending out lots of messages to the apartment owners be up front tell them you want to be able to have visitors over night and you are will to pay a fee. They reply fast. Next, see what hotel that are listed on the map found on this forum that are open for your dates and girl friendly in hopes you find one that has cancelations. Read the forum hotel and apartment rental section. Go on line to [URL]Booking.com[/URL], Vrbo, Home to go. Read the forum and look for Juan's contact information he has nice apartments all over. Good luck.

Absolutely correct I should have clarified that it's not a guest policy it's a "visitor " policy, as far as Airbnb goes you can almost always find this under "house rules". The language will be something like only registered guests allowed or in some cases only "previously registered guests'
Believe it or not most of the people who operate these airbnbs don't want to have their time wasted and they are aware of the situations involving chicas!

It's not ruled out then then message and ask if guests are allowed and add that you're not going to have large parties. The biggest concern really is groups of dudes who bring girls in for large parties. Most of the no visitor policies as a result of the few people who just can't tone it down.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2589089]He is so right. I had the same issue but all resolve just do what they're telling you and yes you need to read the forum here and in the Cartagena Hotel and Apartment section.

I sent messages to Apartments and Airbnb's asking if guest friendly answers yes they allowed guest that signed in with you. I was told by a good forum member that I was the guest and to ask if visitors are allowed and yes that worked better was told only up to a time but never over night, some said sure with prior arraignment as a visitor of a guest and with restrictions. Many said hell no chica allowed. I'm not new as a monger but still when in a new location I listen to others and RTFF and learn which makes for a greater plan trip. I have a nice hotel for 3 days, girl visitors over night approved and a Airbnb for 3 days also girl friendly with over nights visitors. RTFF send some messages and make some calls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WashingtonWiz;2589236]I know my board cred isn't as strong here, but if you're ever in DC I can be of big help.

Always wondered why I couldn't link accounts.[/QUOTE]I can't post his contact info here, but do the search in this or Hotels and Apartments thread, and you'll find Juan who rents apartments in Laquito and Centro. His building in Laquito is called Marinero or Marin. Many members including me highly recommend this guy, he speaks English and is super reliable.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2589382]Absolutely correct I should have clarified that it's not a guest policy it's a "visitor " policy, as far as Airbnb goes you can almost always find this under "house rules". The language will be something like only registered guests allowed or in some cases only "previously registered guests'
Believe it or not most of the people who operate these airbnbs don't want to have their time wasted and they are aware of the situations involving chicas!

It's not ruled out then then message and ask if guests are allowed and add that you're not going to have large parties. The biggest concern really is groups of dudes who bring girls in for large parties. Most of the no visitor policies as a result of the few people who just can't tone it down.[/QUOTE]To add to this. Do not! I repeat do not exceed the limit of the apartment that is listed. For instance if the limit of the apartment is 6 individuals and 3 mongers rents it, you can only have 1 chica each simultaneously. If a monger decides to have trio bringing the head count to 7 total and the host find out and can prove it they can cancel your reservation and kick you out with no refund because the rules were violated. Pay attention to those rules. Do not get cops involved on the property for loud noises after hours, they can also cancel your reservation due to that.

Sometimes you can talk your way out of it but expect to pay on the spot extra money to the host.

[QUOTE=WashingtonWiz;2589236]I know my board cred isn't as strong here, but if you're ever in DC I can be of big help.

Always wondered why I couldn't link accounts.[/QUOTE]I had a couple of options available on Airbnb for an upcoming trip which I've since postponed. Both are in Getsemenai.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.ie/rooms/39086807?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-08-18&check_out=2021-09-15&source_impression_id=p3_1628316756_CrOHRdhQranaRXSC[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.ie/rooms/11881937?adults=2&check_in=2021-08-18&check_out=2021-09-15&source_impression_id=p3_1628316916_xIWyySkwK7YKuolH&guests=1[/URL]

You will need to write to the hosts for confirmation, but make sure that they are aware that you will not be having wild parties, accept full responsibility for your guests, and that you will be bringing different girls with you.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2589649]I had a couple of options available on Airbnb for an upcoming trip which I've since postponed. Both are in Getsemenai.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.ie/rooms/39086807?adults=2&children=0&infants=0&check_in=2021-08-18&check_out=2021-09-15&source_impression_id=p3_1628316756_CrOHRdhQranaRXSC[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.ie/rooms/11881937?adults=2&check_in=2021-08-18&check_out=2021-09-15&source_impression_id=p3_1628316916_xIWyySkwK7YKuolH&guests=1[/URL]

You will need to write to the hosts for confirmation, but make sure that they are aware that you will not be having wild parties, accept full responsibility for your guests, and that you will be bringing different girls with you.[/QUOTE]It is very helpful for everyone to know about more visitor friendly places to stay but I am going to copy your post over to the "Cartagena Hotels and Rental Apartments" thread.

Has anyone else had any problems with the immigration form online?, I have read two reports of persons having issues

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2589728]It is very helpful for everyone to know about more visitor friendly places to stay but I am going to copy your post over to the "Cartagena Hotels and Rental Apartments" thread.[/QUOTE]Good Idea. I wasn't aware of that thread.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2589562]To add to this. Do not! [b]I repeat do not exceed the limit of the apartment that is listed.[/b] For instance if the limit of the apartment is 6 individuals and 3 mongers rents it, you can only have 1 chica each simultaneously. If a monger decides to have trio bringing the head count to 7 total and the host find out and can prove it they can cancel your reservation and kick you out with no refund because the rules were violated. Pay attention to those rules. Do not get cops involved on the property for loud noises after hours, they can also cancel your reservation due to that.

Sometimes you can talk your way out of it but expect to pay on the spot extra money to the host.[/QUOTE]Everyone should take note of this excellent advice especially newbies!!

If you have an issue with the rules ask for clarification just don't willfully violate them expecting no consequences. Don't ruin your vacation.

My gal is a costena and will be checking out the city today. I know it is her home base but anyone have any suggestions for good couple's activities?

I flew American from Miami here, really cheap flight like under $200 and I bought it last minute because Spirit cancelled my flight to Fort Lauderdale. Airplane had full sockets so you could plug in a laptop or phone which was nice. The last minute flight to Miami was more than the one to Cartagena. Spirit is giving refunds for the cancelled flight and added a $50 voucher as well.

Migracion app is now asking for vaccine status. They do not require proof of anything. Colombia is just asking for it. I think if you say no, you can still come, for now. I imagine this will change soon.

I am at the Hyatt, real nice place. I tried this beef called something like Bistec Cartagena. It was really good. It had a nice and different local sauce on the beef. The Mrs. Had ceviche. Then had a desert called the Costeno. It is like a coffee ice cream with coconut style cakes, very good as well. Price was crazy as expected in a hotel. Waiter was thrilled at 15% tip.

I might persuade the Mrs. To check out one of the clubs and hope to give you guys an update on the Clock Tower scene.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590087]My gal is a costena [/QUOTE]There are a few good restaurants with top floor vistas. Cafe del Mar is the most obvious and busy. The Townhouse is a little out of the way, but it's interesting, although often busy. The top floor of San Pedro Cafe / Mirador has good food and less people than you'll find on other roof top venues. Quiebra Canto is a good place to dance or hangout; good view back to the clock tower, great for people watching, when they have live music it fills up; the other Salsa venues down Calle 30 can be a lot of fun. With shopping. Centro Comercial La Serrezuela is interesting and pretty new, I imagine she might like checking it out. Getsemani has a bohemian vibe and walking there at night has some pulse to it. The Arab restaurant in Bocogrande sometimes surprises costenas.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2589729]Has anyone else had any problems with the immigration form online?, I have read two reports of persons having issues[/QUOTE]I managed to fill mine out with with little to no issues. It was my first time using the site as last time I filled out the physical paper before going through security.

Three things that sucked:

1: Even though I selected English, and all the questions were converted to English, all the multiple choice answers were still in Spanish. So things like selecting my country of birth I had to figure out the Spanish name for that.

2. I could not copy and paste, so entering information such as the place where ill be staying was a pain in the ass to manually type out the entire address.

3. At the end where they provide the CAPTCHA screen, there was no indication where to enter the phrase even though it was staring me directly in my face jajajaja. For anyone who had that face_palm moment like I did, the box is directly below the phrase.

Migracion app is now asking for vaccine status. They do not require proof of anything. Colombia is just asking for it. I think if you say no, you can still come, for now. I imagine this will change soon.

Nice review. Is Colombia asking for a negative Covid test 3 days before getting into the country?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Yusk1984;2590349]Migracion app is now asking for vaccine status. They do not require proof of anything. Colombia is just asking for it. I think if you say no, you can still come, for now. I imagine this will change soon.

Nice review. Is Colombia asking for a negative Covid test 3 days before getting into the country?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Since the members of the forum does not know your origin of departure no one can give you solid information. You best bet is to check Colombia's Embassy site for up to date COVID travel info or don't travel from India.

Side note, if I recall, Colombia has never asked for a negative Covid test 3 days before getting into the country, it was 96 hours before they removed it for everyone except India.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2589729]Has anyone else had any problems with the immigration form online?, I have read two reports of persons having issues[/QUOTE]Mojo,

I did the survey on my phone before getting on AA flight to CTG. It took 5 or 10 minutes. No issues.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2590540]Mojo,

I did the survey on my phone before getting on AA flight to CTG. It took 5 or 10 minutes. No issues.[/QUOTE]The app is shit, do it on the web browser and it works better. At least that's what happened for me.

[QUOTE=BlackCrystal;2588961]Okay so me and a couple of friends will be going to Cartagena next week Friday-Sunday. I read through these posts and know where to find chicas at and also for how much. The issue I am having is where do you guys say? I know how the city is broken down between San Diego, Centro, Bocagrande, etc. The question I have is can I find an airbnb that is located in Bocagrande that is guest friendly. It seems like every Airbnb does not allow guest down there. I was deciding on staying in Centro and San Diego near the action but also want to be somewhat of a tourist and get a nice 13th floor penthouse with a pool and view of the ocean. LOL guess you can not have both. So I need some advice.

1. even though they say guest are not allowed can I use pay the security guard to allow us to bring chicas up.

2. should I just stay in Centro near the action? A hotel or Airbnb y'all recommend?

3. Just get short time hotels (never tried this). How was it?[/QUOTE]I had this same problem in 2019 and had this question on here so I'm going to help you out. We had 6 guys on bachelors trip and stayed 3 nights in old town and 3 in Boca. Trust me skip Boca. The beach is no better than any long island or Jersey beach. I went to that beach for 30 minutes during the whole trip. Its better to book a trip to Rosario islands or go to the nice beach out of town.

Here is the place we stayed at last time.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13237986?source_impression_id=p3_1628656189_p7Q70u1PabW%2Bl0fb&guests=1&adults=1[/URL]

The host is a super chill lady that speaks perfect English. You can bring one guest per person. You can look at her other properties and it should be the same. Best thing to do is make friends with the security guy as soon as possible. If you can make him a part of your group your life will be much easier.

This is another place that we are going to next month and I talked to the guy in charge already and he assured me that there will be no problem bringing guests. Cool dude too so you can be frank with him.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/48712341?source_impression_id=p3_1628656292_g9Qgs23F0k2uGVES&guests=1&adults=1[/URL]

My third day here. Things are looking better than when I was here earlier in the year. Last night I did notice allot of police standing around at the clocktower and low volume of chicas there.

It appears Isis opened back up as when I was leaving Space their doors were open.

Delirium was a total reverse on a Tuesday night. Walked in, about 50 chicas sitting down and 5 gringos. Great time to get them. No chance ill be doing that on a Thursday night.

Dolce was packed with girls. Ratio of 3 to 1. Shoutout to the guy in the blue shorts sitting at the bar drinking the beer wrapped in the napkin. This man had the focus of a cat stalking its prey. Hunters eye. If your on here maybe we can link up.

Space was pretty much dead until 11 pm. I managed to get a great Venezuelan out of there. And called it a night.

The humidity here is something else. By the time I walk three blocks in the outside in the shade all my clothes are wet.

Happened across a YOUTUBE video about MANSIONS (brothels?) in CTG. The person doing the video always called them mansions and not brothels. No cameras were allowed inside.

Once you arrived you took a seat and ladies would be shown one at a time. You would pick one and then have your way. He stated that he asked a taxi driver to take him.

Anyone have any more info? I went back several months on the thread and could find nothing.

Be arriving around Sept 11.

Thanks in advance.

P Chop.

What beach on Long Island has girls with the kind of asses they have in Cartagena? And ones that you can hire?

[QUOTE=Mrai7870;2591252]I had this same problem in 2019 and had this question on here so I'm going to help you out. We had 6 guys on bachelors trip and stayed 3 nights in old town and 3 in Boca. Trust me skip Boca. The beach is no better than any long island or Jersey beach. I went to that beach for 30 minutes during the whole trip. Its better to book a trip to Rosario islands or go to the nice beach out of town.

Here is the place we stayed at last time.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13237986?source_impression_id=p3_1628656189_p7Q70u1PabW%2Bl0fb&guests=1&adults=1[/URL]

The host is a super chill lady that speaks perfect English. You can bring one guest per person. You can look at her other properties and it should be the same. Best thing to do is make friends with the security guy as soon as possible. If you can make him a part of your group your life will be much easier.

This is another place that we are going to next month and I talked to the guy in charge already and he assured me that there will be no problem bringing guests. Cool dude too so you can be frank with him.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/48712341?source_impression_id=p3_1628656292_g9Qgs23F0k2uGVES&guests=1&adults=1[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2591588]What beach on Long Island has girls with the kind of asses they have in Cartagena? And ones that you can hire?[/QUOTE]You can't hire but any summer weekend in jones or Robert moses will have a 9 or 10 every few meters. Every flavor too.

Honestly wasn't really into the beach girls. Bodies were nice but faces were meh. For me they were 6 or 7 at best. Will see soon if things have changed.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2590358]Since the members of the forum does not know your origin of departure no one can give you solid information. You best bet is to check Colombia's Embassy site for up to date COVID travel info or don't travel from India.

Side note, if I recall, Colombia has never asked for a negative Covid test 3 days before getting into the country, it was 96 hours before they removed it for everyone except India.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, man! I did more research they are not asking from negative covid test.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2591588]What beach on Long Island has girls with the kind of asses they have in Cartagena? And ones that you can hire?[/QUOTE]They have a point. The beach is no better than the Tri State area beaches. It rained today and the sewage system could not drain the water properly so some streets were backed up with water. The sewage smell was so strong I almost started gagging. All that sewage ends up right in the water at Boca Grande Beach which is why I never go into the water, if I'm going to do it then ill take a boat to one of the islands and enjoy crystal clear water.

I stopped going to beaches in NYC due to when I was younger I saw a kid come out of Cony Island beach water with a used condom stuck to his back.

Hello ISG friends, where can you find daytime actions in Cartagena? Can anyone please recommend some casas, or full service massage places with hot chics?

[QUOTE=Mrai7870;2591252]I had this same problem in 2019 and had this question on here so I'm going to help you out. We had 6 guys on bachelors trip and stayed 3 nights in old town and 3 in Boca. Trust me skip Boca. The beach is no better than any long island or Jersey beach. I went to that beach for 30 minutes during the whole trip. Its better to book a trip to Rosario islands or go to the nice beach out of town.

Here is the place we stayed at last time.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13237986?source_impression_id=p3_1628656189_p7Q70u1PabW%2Bl0fb&guests=1&adults=1[/URL]

The host is a super chill lady that speaks perfect English. You can bring one guest per person. You can look at her other properties and it should be the same. Best thing to do is make friends with the security guy as soon as possible. If you can make him a part of your group your life will be much easier.

This is another place that we are going to next month and I talked to the guy in charge already and he assured me that there will be no problem bringing guests. Cool dude too so you can be frank with him.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/48712341?source_impression_id=p3_1628656292_g9Qgs23F0k2uGVES&guests=1&adults=1[/URL][/QUOTE]Bearing in mind the difficulties in finding guest friendly accommodation in Cartagena, and probably elsewhere in Colombia, might it be an idea to have a section for "Guest Friendly Accommodation in Colombia"?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2590863]The app is shit, do it on the web browser and it works better. At least that's what happened for me.[/QUOTE]I've just filled out my MIG form. What happens next. Will I get an acknowledgement or permission to enter etc?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2591864]I've just filled out my MIG form. What happens next. Will I get an acknowledgement or permission to enter etc?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Nothing much happens. All you get is an email confirmation that you did it. Then when you travel you have to show them the email confirmation before boarding the plane and when you land you have to show immigration officer the same email. They are only looking at your name and registration number and passport number to make sure every thing match up.

I got stuck at the front of the line the line for 30 minutes because two dumb ass women did not have her shit together and took forever to provide the immigration officer with the address and phone number of the place they were going to stay. The bad shit was there were only 2 booths open for feigners and the women were at both booths and I was waiting behind them to be next. I passed through the officer in 5 minutes. Simple process, handed them my passport with the printed out email of the Check MiG, and a printed out email of the AirBB that had the address and phone number on it. They did everything, asked no questions, stamped the passport then gave me the Bienvidios!

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2591862]Bearing in mind the difficulties in finding guest friendly accommodation in Cartagena, and probably elsewhere in Colombia, might it be an idea to have a section for "Guest Friendly Accommodation in Colombia"?[/QUOTE]I understand the concept but things change all the time. All it takes is that one monger that causes some kind of damage to the apartment or get cops involved then the owner can change the rules in the blink of an eye to say no visitors.

With Condos the owner can say one thing but if the Condos Management says different then the ABB rules goes out the window. Perfect example back in April, a few ABB in ElLaguito was listed a guest friendly, then when mongers show up there is a notice saying due to COVID no visitors allowed.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2591886]I understand the concept but things change all the time. All it takes is that one monger that causes some kind of damage to the apartment or get cops involved then the owner can change the rules in the blink of an eye to say no visitors.

With Condos the owner can say one thing but if the Condos Management says different then the ABB rules goes out the window. Perfect example back in April, a few ABB in ElLaguito was listed a guest friendly, then when mongers show up there is a notice saying due to COVID no visitors allowed.[/QUOTE]All good points. However, I would expect persons using it to carry out their own due diligence to check on the current validity of such info. I came across a page on this site from about 2016 with around a dozen links for guest friendly hotels. Ten were dead.

On the other hand, Guest Friendly info in Colombia seems to be precious info.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2591879]Nothing much happens. All you get is an email confirmation that you did it. Then when you travel you have to show them the email confirmation before boarding the plane and when you land you have to show immigration officer the same email. They are only looking at your name and registration number and passport number to make sure every thing match up.

I got stuck at the front of the line the line for 30 minutes because two dumb ass women did not have her shit together and took forever to provide the immigration officer with the address and phone number of the place they were going to stay. The bad shit was there were only 2 booths open for feigners and the women were at both booths and I was waiting behind them to be next. I passed through the officer in 5 minutes. Simple process, handed them my passport with the printed out email of the Check MiG, and a printed out email of the AirBB that had the address and phone number on it. They did everything, asked no questions, stamped the passport then gave me the Bienvidios![/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Any idea of the time frame for the confirmation please? I had several probs with the Mig site, and I have doubts about it.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592162]Thanks for that. Any idea of the time frame for the confirmation please? I had several probs with the Mig site, and I have doubts about it.[/QUOTE]It sends the email as soon as you click send. You should also screenshot after you press for cases when you do not get the email. I have never not gotten the email in 2 seconds.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592159]All good points. However, I would expect persons using it to carry out their own due diligence to check on the current validity of such info. I came across a page on this site from about 2016 with around a dozen links for guest friendly hotels. Ten were dead.

On the other hand, Guest Friendly info in Colombia seems to be precious info.[/QUOTE]You would be surprised how many travelers read these pages, do not do their due diligence to verify the information. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592162]Thanks for that. Any idea of the time frame for the confirmation please? I had several probs with the Mig site, and I have doubts about it.[/QUOTE]I received the email instantly but it ended up in my junk mail folder. You may want to check your Spam or junk mail folder. If not, preregister again and verify your email address is correct.

It has rained every day since I landed Sunday. The bad part is that the sewage system cannot drain the water fast enough so the smell is terrible when walking around Centro.

Playa Hollywood vendors are 4 X as annoying. After it rained yesterday, my friends and I decided to go to Playa Hollywood as it will be les people and we can enjoy the beach more. A soon as we stepped out of the taxi Jose and his son are ready to pounce. We didn't even get a chance to step in the sand yet. Instantly started showing us tables to sit. I walked by Tony#1 said Hi to him, his English is good and way better than Jose. Seems there is some rivalry between these guys to get gringos chairs and food and drinks.

The vendors set up shop right by the bathrooms and as soon as we passed it they followed behind us all the way to where we were sitting. Highly annoying! We are having drinks, the vendors are bothering us; we are trying to eat, the vendors are bothering us, they will not take no and constantly hover. Ran into a new annoyance. I kept hearing this squeaking sound like a dog with a squeaky toy. I though it was those black birds flying around and was annoyed so I told the vendor to keeps the birds away form me. He replies "no bird. Mime. " To my surprise turn around and lo and behold there is a Mime behind me pantomiming and his voice is the squeaky toy. I had one big WTF moment, and decided to call it a day and the bill came in almost 2 million pesos due to 6 orders of food and drinks I guess.

Woke up this great Friday morning to the smell of my chica cooking breakfast. 5 minutes into eating outside by the pool, a total deluge!! Its been raining for the last hour non stop. A private pool and due to the rain or cloudy skies the sun is hardly out to enjoy it but all the girls I've ran into so far more than make up for it. I'm on chica#9 and I have not once heard the words leche papi or been over charged that much for a gringo. 250 mil for 2 leches during the day and 500 mil -600 mil la noche but most girls don't show up in the discos until close to 11 pm.

As a word of advice to the new mongers. When you are matching on tinder or you get a girls number in the night and want to see her during the day. Ask her how close she lives next to where you are staying due to although they live in Cartagena it can take some of them over an hour to get to Centro or Boca Grande. This gives you the timing if you are rotating chicas on the same day.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2592190] When you are matching on tinder or you get a girls number in the night and want to see her during the day. Ask her how close she lives next to where you are staying due to although they live in Cartagena it can take some of them over an hour to get to Centro or Boca Grande. This gives you the timing if you are rotating chicas on the same day.[/QUOTE]I can concur that it takes a while for chicas to travel across Cartagena. Geographically, that is to say looking at it on a map, Cartagena is no that large a large city at all but there are over 900,000 people crammed into the small area that it occupies, and it is not a grided city it was deeveloped haphazardly so there is the one main road that runs through the center, and one that runs around the outside that is sometimes quicker to use. Most taxi drivers are not using GPS, so they may not even know the quickest routes that time of day, probably don't use GPS because they are poor and don't want to pay for data all day long.

I used to see a non-pro chica that lived in the far southeast part of the city and she had her own car and it took the better part of an hour for her to drive to Laguito. More recently I was seeing a chica a few times that lived near the Mall Paseo de la Castellana, which is in the eastern part of the city and it was an forty five minutes to an hour for her to come by taxi. For guys who are familiar with Medellin it is like a chica traveling from Bello to Laureles or even Poblado depending on the time of day and traffic. I posted a image of the directions routes from Google Maps to show how long it estimates.

Will be in Cartagena the last week of September. Found the El Viajero Centro has an apartment. May use it or just get an extra room each night for mongering but will be nice to be that close to home. Still interested in hooking up with fellow mongers while there. Love this place. First drink is on me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592178]It sends the email as soon as you click send. You should also screenshot after you press for cases when you do not get the email. I have never not gotten the email in 2 seconds.[/QUOTE]The site is an absolute nightmare and very poorly designed. I've had nothing and following on from your post, I tried to to apply again. The site has locked me out and does not recognise my password even though I saved it in Google passwords.

I've since discovered that before I entered the Bio details, I should have filled in details of my flight, and was not allowed to apply until I was 48 hours from take off. It's now obvious that the system is meant to be linear so why did it not tell me that I have to fill in flight details first, and that I cannot apply more than 48 hours in advance? If there is a problem with the info provided, when you click "next", it takes you back to the age you are already on, but gives no indication of what the problem is. Then there is the problem of ambiguity. It asks what travel doc I am using, and included in the options are "Passport" and "Official Passport". What's the difference? Aren't all Passports "official"?

I've deleted my web history in case the prob could be solved by deleting cookies, but it keeps showing my main email address.

I've contacted my Airbnb host, She has a sister who is a travel agent. She has come up with the idea that they will make the application for me using my alternate email address to access the confirmation. That way, my main email address will not cause a prob as it seems to at the moment. Hopefully that should work. However, my concern now is that they cannot do so until Midnight on Aug 22nd and if this fails the only other options I can think of are the Colombian Consulate in DUB, which is currently closed due to Covid, or possibly my host might be able to contact the Colombian Foreign Ministry in the hope of sorting this out. If it's the latter, I am presuming that the Ministry will not be open until 09.00 the following day (15.00 DUB time), and that's just 15 hours before my flight is due to take off.

For some reason, ISG will not allow me to tag my reply to your post so I have replied this way:

I did check the junk folder when I got no acknowledgement after a couple of days. If you see my reply to Mr E, below this, you will see that my attempts to deal with this seem to have been stymied by the website itself which appears to have been very badly designed for foreign use. Thanks anyway.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592507]The site is an absolute nightmare and very poorly designed. I've had nothing and following on from your post, I tried to to apply again. The site has locked me out and does not recognise my password even though I saved it in Google passwords.
[/QUOTE]I don't know why you are having so many problems. I just did it 5 minutes ago for my trip tomorrow and no problems to speak of. Took me like 2 minutes to complete it.

There are different types of passports. Government employees and people that work at embassies have official and diplomatic passports.

Recognize your password? No idea what you are talking about. There is no password needed for the site. Maybe it is different for me because I think the app is on my phone and I am not using a website. Download the app and see how that works out for you.

I heard Cartagena high end hotels do not allow overnight guests.

1. Is it possible to get daytime guests and keep her in the room like I did in other hotels all over the world. Do they keep the cedula of guests?

2 I always book for two people. Can I go and make a deal with a chica and sign her up as my companion?

3. I am sure on the way from the airport get the taxi guy cruise around and find a girl and check in together.

Now that going to Asia is pretty much not possible this year I am thinking of going to Cartagena. Not much interested in staying at air be&be.

Like high end hotels and get a girl and stay together and maybe travel around. I have done this in Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592507]The site is an absolute nightmare and very poorly designed.

...and that I cannot apply more than 48 hours in advance? ...[/QUOTE]I am not sure which site you are using, but early this year I had similar issues. I used the Colombia migracion website and entered all the info requested. I never received an email from them. Checked my spam folder, nothing. So, I went back and tried to do it again but the site would not let me. On the 2nd time, I decided to take screen shots of what I was doing, then printed them out.

At the local airport where I live, the AA airline agent would not let me board the plane without the email from migracion. I started to argue with him and showed him my screen shots. After a while, he somehow decided to let me in. After that it was a breeze. I flew through Miami and nobody asked me for any proof. When I arrived in Colombia, I simply handed out the printout of my screen shots, and the agent stamped my passport and I was on my way.

Once in Colombia, I learned that everybody else was doing it via their smart phone and hardly anyone used their desktop / laptop. So, I assumed that was my problem. I figured the app was designed for smart phones and that it doesn't work well with desktop agents. I never had a problem since, as I switched to using my Iphone instead.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592580]I don't know why you are having so many problems. I just did it 5 minutes ago for my trip tomorrow and no problems to speak of. Took me like 2 minutes to complete it.

There are different types of passports. Government employees and people that work at embassies have official and diplomatic passports.

Recognize your password? No idea what you are talking about. There is no password needed for the site. Maybe it is different for me because I think the app is on my phone and I am not using a website. Download the app and see how that works out for you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/iniciarSesion.jsf[/URL]

Click on the link, and it takes you direct to a page asking for a password.

This link: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/registrarUsuario.jsf[/URL] asks your nationality and then gives 4 passport options including "passport" and "official passport". It also includes Diplomatic passports which suggests that the other two passports mentioned have nothing to do with Diplomatic.

And if you look at this site: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL] it apparently has seven different types of passport listed.

I really don't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2592590]I heard Cartagena high end hotels do not allow overnight guests.

1. Is it possible to get daytime guests and keep her in the room like I did in other hotels all over the world. Do they keep the cedula of guests?

2 I always book for two people. Can I go and make a deal with a chica and sign her up as my companion?

3. I am sure on the way from the airport get the taxi guy cruise around and find a girl and check in together.

Now that going to Asia is pretty much not possible this year I am thinking of going to Cartagena. Not much interested in staying at air be&be.

Like high end hotels and get a girl and stay together and maybe travel around. I have done this in Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]Finding G / friendly hotels seems to be difficult. There is this on Youtube:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kj2Tw8EB1s[/URL]

I am in the same boat as you: a 1st time refugee from SEA, and the perceived wisdom seems to be that you are more likely to find success with Airbnb. But ypu will need to clarify with the hosts in advance.

Look through recent posts on this section, and there is plenty of advice from regular mongers.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2592615]I am not sure which site you are using, but early this year I had similar issues. I used the Colombia migracion website and entered all the info requested. I never received an email from them. Checked my spam folder, nothing. So, I went back and tried to do it again but the site would not let me. On the 2nd time, I decided to take screen shots of what I was doing, then printed them out.

At the local airport where I live, the AA airline agent would not let me board the plane without the email from migracion. I started to argue with him and showed him my screen shots. After a while, he somehow decided to let me in. After that it was a breeze. I flew through Miami and nobody asked me for any proof. When I arrived in Colombia, I simply handed out the printout of my screen shots, and the agent stamped my passport and I was on my way.

Once in Colombia, I learned that everybody else was doing it via their smart phone and hardly anyone used their desktop / laptop. So, I assumed that was my problem. I figured the app was designed for smart phones and that it doesn't work well with desktop agents. I never had a problem since, as I switched to using my Iphone instead.[/QUOTE]I am glad to hear that my experience is not unique. However if you check the post by Gene Hickman #11341, you will see that he says it's the phone app that is the problem and he recommends using the web browser.

I think you were lucky with the AA airline agent. He would have been within his rights to refuse you, but I am delighted that you had a happy ending.

I can't follow your screenshot advice because I am still locked out by my rejected password.

I strongly suspect that there is more than one app, and I have fallen foul of the "rogue".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2592580]I don't know why you are having so many problems. I just did it 5 minutes ago for my trip tomorrow and no problems to speak of. Took me like 2 minutes to complete it.

There are different types of passports. Government employees and people that work at embassies have official and diplomatic passports.

Recognize your password? No idea what you are talking about. There is no password needed for the site. Maybe it is different for me because I think the app is on my phone and I am not using a website. Download the app and see how that works out for you.[/QUOTE]I see from your screenshots that this is entirely different from the site I've been using. Also if you read you read the post by Lefeu, he pretty much complains of identical problems to that which I had including password probs.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592641]Finding G / friendly hotels seems to be difficult. There is this on Youtube:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kj2Tw8EB1s[/URL]

I am in the same boat as you: a 1st time refugee from SEA, and the perceived wisdom seems to be that you are more likely to find success with Airbnb. But ypu will need to clarify with the hosts in advance.

Look through recent posts on this section, and there is plenty of advice from regular mongers.[/QUOTE]I am going to Cartagena next month. A girl from Barranquilla that I met a few months ago in Miami is meeting me there and will be staying with me the entire stay. If I register her as the 2nd guest in the room, will hotels have a problem?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592637][URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/iniciarSesion.jsf[/URL]

Click on the link, and it takes you direct to a page asking for a password.

This link: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/registrarUsuario.jsf[/URL] asks your nationality and then gives 4 passport options including "passport" and "official passport". It also includes Diplomatic passports which suggests that the other two passports mentioned have nothing to do with Diplomatic.

And if you look at this site: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL] it apparently has seven different types of passport listed.

I really don't make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]Try this link. I did not read that whole post before I replied, I had only seen the part where the link was asking for a passport, sorry, now I cannot delete my post I can only edit to say what I am saying now. LOL

Anyway this is the good link
[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592645]I see from your screenshots that this is entirely different from the site I've been using. Also if you read you read the post by Lefeu, he pretty much complains of identical problems to that which I had including password probs.[/QUOTE]I used the link Jetblue provided me in their email.

Entry requirements and required documents for Colombia:

• All travelers to Colombia must complete an online immigration / customs form prior to departure. Please be ready to display proof of your completed form during the boarding process. Click here to access the form.

[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL]

Select "Makeyour Check Mig" and proceed.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592641]Finding G / friendly hotels seems to be difficult. There is this on Youtube:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kj2Tw8EB1s[/URL]

I am in the same boat as you: a 1st time refugee from SEA, and the perceived wisdom seems to be that you are more likely to find success with Airbnb. But ypu will need to clarify with the hosts in advance.

Look through recent posts on this section, and there is plenty of advice from regular mongers.[/QUOTE]Thanks but I am talking about 4 or 5 star hotels. I am sure there are some hotels who allow guests. I looked on the video and one he showed looked okay 2 star.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2592710]I am going to Cartagena next month. A girl from Barranquilla that I met a few months ago in Miami is meeting me there and will be staying with me the entire stay. If I register her as the 2nd guest in the room, will hotels have a problem?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Thre is no restriction that says a man and a woman cannot check into a hotel together, no matter thier nationalities either. Think of it this way if there is a restricion it is for "visitors" not "guests", You and the chica will both be guests. You make the registration with your name and her name on the registration then show up with your respective IDs and you should be good to go.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2592770]Thre is no restriction that says a man and a woman cannot check into a hotel together, no matter thier nationalities either. Think of it this way if there is a restricion it is for "visitors" not "guests", You and the chica will both be guests. You make the registration with your name and her name on the registration then show up with your respective IDs and you should be good to go.[/QUOTE]That's what I figured, was just making sure. I will probably get an apartment as well so I can entertain visitors.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2592710]I am going to Cartagena next month. A girl from Barranquilla that I met a few months ago in Miami is meeting me there and will be staying with me the entire stay. If I register her as the 2nd guest in the room, will hotels have a problem?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Before I decided to go Airbnb, I made inquiries with some hotels, and it appears that the booking is dedicated to the girl you sign in with. If you get rid of the original girl, most will require you to make a new booking or pay a joiner fee. I am still a virgin regarding Colombia, so it is best that you check directly with the hotel, but as I understand it, you will not have any probs as long as you are monogamous.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2592719]Try this link. I did not read that whole post before I replied, I had only seen the part where the link was asking for a passport, sorry, now I cannot delete my post I can only edit to say what I am saying now. LOL

Anyway this is the good link
[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, but I am also locked out from that site too.

I have a "Plan be" in place. The lady who is hosting my Airbnb, has a sister that is a travel agent. She will fill the form out for me and use my alternate email address so that I can print off the paperwork when it hits my inbox at this end. I've given her all the necessary details, and I am now waiting to take my PCR test on Saturday.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2592721]I used the link Jetblue provided me in their email.

Entry requirements and required documents for Colombia:

All travelers to Colombia must complete an online immigration / customs form prior to departure. Please be ready to display proof of your completed form during the boarding process. Click here to access the form.

[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL]

Select "Makeyour Check Mig" and proceed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. As I explained to Mojo, my previous visit to the site has me locked into a password that it will no longer recognise, so I am going with the plan be I mentioned to him. The worry is that if that does not work, by the time I find out and am able to come up with an alternate plan such as contacting the Colombian Immigration Office, I am only 15 hours from takeoff.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592858]Before I decided to go Airbnb, I made inquiries with some hotels, and it appears that the booking is dedicated to the girl you sign in with. If you get rid of the original girl, most will require you to make a new booking or pay a joiner fee. I am still a virgin regarding Colombia, so it is best that you check directly with the hotel, but as I understand it, you will not have any probs as long as you are monogamous.[/QUOTE]Well, as far as they know I will be monogamous, at least in their hotel. In the airbnb apartment a few blocks away I plan to be decidedly not monogamous.

Monger on!

Day 7 here. More rain when waking up.

Last night was terrible!

My friends and I reached Dulce around 10 pm, they told us we cannot come in unless we buy bottle service at a table (the exact same nonsense why I do not go clubs back at home).

Ok we agreed, got the bottle, got the table, then 15 minutes later one of the bouncers started walking around whispering in the girls ears and it was like the flood gates opened as 90% of the girls left the club. Now we are sitting there with a bottle of liquor more than half full surrounded by mostly men.

Trying to figure out what the fuck is going on I texted 3 chicas who were in there that I have a history with and they all said the same thing. The police were doing operations and immigration, so all the Venezuelan chicas left the clubs and all the girls are now at the Clock Tower. I went outside to confirm and indeed cops everywhere, about 15 alone in front of Dulce and Space. I try to go back inside the bouncer won't let me in, saying he cannot let anyone in because of the cops. So I just paid for a table, with bottle service, and cannot even finish the bottle because he won't let me in. I text my friends to pour out the liquor in the bucket of ice (for principle), pay the bill and lets go to the Clock Tower. My friends come out the club with blue masks on saying the bouncer went around handing out masks like crazy, telling every one mask up.

We started walking around to get new girls but the sewage smell was too strong in some places that didn't drain properly from the rain earlier in the day. We walking around until almost 2 am and called it a night of wasted time and money.

Despite it raining every day, the sewage smell, and the random police raid, this is still by far one of the best times I'm having here. I have not heard a single leche papi and hearing more duro papi duro, and mas papi mas. Jajajaja.

Just go to a computer that you have not logged in from, or use another phone and go to the correct page on the site not the one asking for a passport. Some browsers give you the option of browsing anonymously that would work too... finally you can get rid of all cookies on the phone l.

Fill fill out the form and have it sent to your email address and the problem. You are the solution sounds like a disaster in waiting.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2592864]Thanks for the input. As I explained to Mojo, my previous visit to the site has me locked into a password that it will no longer recognise, so I am going with the plan be I mentioned to him. The worry is that if that does not work, by the time I find out and am able to come up with an alternate plan such as contacting the Colombian Immigration Office, I am only 15 hours from takeoff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2592944]Day 7 here. More rain when waking up.

Last night was terrible!

My friends and I reached Dulce around 10 pm, they told us we cannot come in unless we buy bottle service at a table[/QUOTE]Me and another board member were at a spot in Medellin. I sat at a table 20 minutes waiting for them to come clean the table and take the order. So the guy went to the bar and bought 2 beers for us. They finally cleaned the table. When he came back with the beers and they saw us sitting there drinking them, they came and took the table from in front of us. So we were just sitting there tableless. They said you have to buy a bottle to sit. I said mf we been here 20 minutes waiting for you to get this table together. Four Colombian guys came and they ordered a bottle and they gave the table to them. The guys had us join them and asked us to drink with them.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2592944]I text my friends to pour out the liquor in the bucket of ice (for principle), pay the bill and lets go to the Clock Tower.[/QUOTE]Why not just tell them to bring the bottle with them?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2593045]Just go to a computer that you have not logged in from, or use another phone and go to the correct page on the site not the one asking for a passport. Some browsers give you the option of browsing anonymously that would work too... finally you can get rid of all cookies on the phone l.

Fill fill out the form and have it sent to your email address and the problem. You are the solution sounds like a disaster in waiting.[/QUOTE]I ill try that in due course if my plan B fails. But part of the problem may well be that I applied too early. I have to wait until 22nd.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2593045]Just go to a computer that you have not logged in from, or use another phone and go to the correct page on the site not the one asking for a passport. Some browsers give you the option of browsing anonymously that would work too... finally you can get rid of all cookies on the phone l.

Fill fill out the form and have it sent to your email address and the problem. You are the solution sounds like a disaster in waiting.[/QUOTE]Leaving Cartagena today on American I did not fill mine out until I got to the airport, Checked in for my flight than was sent to customer service and guest what she fill the whole thing out for me and once it is done I got the return email in about 5 seconds. She used the airport internet it is out side the customer service office back in the corner and that where you get the internet. I played confused and take out my wallet and she came outside the office walked me to the corner and fill out the whole form. Take less than 10 min. For the whole thing and the return email. My suggestion, act confuse but with money my cost 5 one dollar bills. Skip that long line out side too with a few $ and he took me right to the girl checking everyone in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2593058]Me and another board member were at a spot in Medellin. I sat at a table 20 minutes waiting for them to come clean the table and take the order. So the guy went to the bar and bought 2 beers for us. They finally cleaned the table. When he came back with the beers and they saw us sitting there drinking them, they came and took the table from in front of us. So we were just sitting there tableless. They said you have to buy a bottle to sit. I said mf we been here 20 minutes waiting for you to get this table together. Four Colombian guys came and they ordered a bottle and they gave the table to them. The guys had us join them and asked us to drink with them.

Why not just tell them to bring the bottle with them?[/QUOTE]My friends an I usually bring our own liquor on the plane with us due to they do not sell what we drink here. We usually do not buy bottles in the club either but when we do, or have to, its mostly for the Chicas to drink in the club. When we bring them back to the apartment to party in private they drink less of our liquor since they already had plenty at the Disco. What got me annoyed is that they did not allow us to buy the small bottle, it was the large bottle only, then after we opened and started talking to girls and having them sit and drink to feel out their personality, all of them cleared out of the club and we had so much left to get rid of. We didn't even get a chance to get whatsap numbers so we can text them to have them come back with us.

But you are indeed right, we could have taken the bottle with us but I was so annoyed I just told them dump it since we are not going to drink it, and no girls there to drink it either.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2593676]My friends an I usually bring our own liquor on the plane with us due to they do not sell what we drink here. We usually do not buy bottles in the club either but when we do, or have to, its mostly for the Chicas to drink in the club. When we bring them back to the apartment to party in private they drink less of our liquor since they already had plenty at the Disco. What got me annoyed is that they did not allow us to buy the small bottle, it was the large bottle only, then after we opened and started talking to girls and having them sit and drink to feel out their personality, all of them cleared out of the club and we had so much left to get rid of. We didn't even get a chance to get whatsap numbers so we can text them to have them come back with us.

But you are indeed right, we could have taken the bottle with us but I was so annoyed I just told them dump it since we are not going to drink it, and no girls there to drink it either.[/QUOTE]Sounds like going to CTG is a pain in the ass right now. I want to go in Dec, hopefully the situations will improve. What liquors do you bring with you? Good luck with the loco chicas.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2593985]Sounds like going to CTG is a pain in the ass right now. I want to go in Dec, hopefully the situations will improve. What liquors do you bring with you? Good luck with the loco chicas.[/QUOTE]We pack Titos and put it in our checked bags. As long as the traveler don't go crazy with the quantity it will go though customs. Each person pack two 1 liter bottles and if we want to chance it, each person then buys an additional 1.75 (the jug handle one) at Duty free on the American side. There's not much in discos, the most I see is Absolut, Bombay Sapphire and Smirnoff, they might be others but these are the only ones that stand out.

I'm on Day #11 and despite the rain every day, the never ending sewer smell, the random raid on the discos that night, I'm still having a blast once we get the girls back to the apartment. Then they want to come back during the daytime just to hang out and play in the pool and drink.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2594137]We pack Titos and put it in our checked bags. As long as the traveler don't go crazy with the quantity it will go though customs. Each person pack two 1 liter bottles and if we want to chance it, each person then buys an additional 1.75 (the jug handle one) at Duty free on the American side. There's not much in discos, the most I see is Absolut, Bombay Sapphire and Smirnoff, they might be others but these are the only ones that stand out.

I'm on Day #11 and despite the rain every day, the never ending sewer smell, the random raid on the discos that night, I'm still having a blast once we get the girls back to the apartment. Then they want to come back during the daytime just to hang out and play in the pool and drink.[/QUOTE]I drink Titos as well here at home in the USA. I only travel to the Caribbean Nov-April because of all the heat, humidity and rain. You will still get some rain but not nearly as bad. If you are nice to the girls in CTG and they like you they want to hang around and you can get some better pricing for their time. Last trip to CTG I paid one for 48 hours then she stayed the third night for free. Took her to Playa Blanca and it was a great day. Had another one I paid for an hour and she stayed about 5. This was right before covid hit and ruined everything.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2594194]I drink Titos as well here at home in the USA. I only travel to the Caribbean Nov-April because of all the heat, humidity and rain. You will still get some rain but not nearly as bad. If you are nice to the girls in CTG and they like you they want to hang around and you can get some better pricing for their time. Last trip to CTG I paid one for 48 hours then she stayed the third night for free. Took her to Playa Blanca and it was a great day. Had another one I paid for an hour and she stayed about 5. This was right before covid hit and ruined everything.[/QUOTE]I operate the same. Tell them come for an hour, negotiate the price, they get here and its all business for them once the service is completed I pay them. 5 hours later they are still here playing in the pool, practicing their English on my while practice my Spanish on them. I ask them what happened to all business, they say I'm not like the others and the like being around me. These are the one I keep in my phone and can get on the ground info from before I come or while I'm here if something is happening.

Free WIFI for them is is like a gift of heaven.

Tuesday afternoon the Clock Tower was flooded with cops. No girls anywhere. When it got dark, the color of the uniforms changed and it was Migracion prowling. Still no girls. I did a lot of walking around. This is the reason another poster asked if there was an alternate to the Clock Tower for finding SWs. Might be busy on other nights, but some nights not so much. Thanks to Johnny Law. At around 11:00 I returned to the CT and began to see a few girls hiding away from the center of the square and more by the benches. But only about six or so. Most looked desperate, but I was lucky to find a nice girl with a cute smile named Michelle. She wanted 200 k. I talked her down to 100 k. Later, we were chatting and she wondered why I would counter her 200 k offer with 60 k. "Surely there are no girls that will go with your for 60. " I said I had been in Bogota and that was the price. (I didn't want to tell her that the price was actually 30 k. Didn't want a whole debate on that.) She said, Ah, ya. She understood. But not here, she said. In any event, I felt lucky. She had a great personality, liked to laugh, did not watch the clock and once she got ahold of your little friend in her mouth, would not let go. The longest BBBJ I've had since I can remember. I'm talking 30 minutes. I didn't want to stop her as she seemed to be enjoying it. However, in spite of all that, she did a lot of gagging and spitting. Said she hated the taste. Then went right back to work, stopping every once in a while to ask a question about me or about what kind of sex I liked. Excellent skills in the oral dept. When we got down to "amor" she was not as nimble. But still a lot of fun. 26 yo with 3 sons but you might not know it by looking at her. A Vennie who's been in the country for a year. Never tried to ask for more money. Wish I had repeated the second night. This night for some reason the city was hopping. People everywhere and the bar next to my Airbnb going well late into the night.

Wednesday, I signed up for the Chiva Party Bus tour. I didn't enjoy it. I jumped ship at the clock tower and the whole scene there was night and day from Tues. 10:30 PM and the plaza was jumping. No cops and a lot of girls. Openly negotiating with dudes like me. I got a couple of opening bids of 250 k. When I balked, they said 200 was the lowest they would go. I hung out a while checking out the talent. If I had been more patient I would probably have succumbed and paid the 200 k. Only something told me that these girls would not live up to the price tag. I ran into Michelle again and made the mistake of not repeating. I had dreams of bigger and better fish, fool that I am. Instead of going for personality, I went for looks. And was disappointed. The one I found was willing to go with me for 100 k. Then back in the room she tried to say we had agree on 100 USD. I reminded her exactly of the conversation. She then asked for 50 k more, and I told her to leave. Then she said, It's Ok, and we began to go at it. But once again, I failed to set the rules up ahead of time and paid the price. Little friend was covered for the BJ and she was not great at it. When we moved on to other things she was texting while we were in the middle of the act. I couldn't sustain it and she knew it. She told me just to finish on her belly. I just wanted her out of there, so that's what happened. She mentioned a few times the need to pay her 50 k more, and I told her she was dreaming. She left after receiving a text that must have been her next date. Live and learn, I keep telling myself. Off to Barranquilla today. I see there is little in that section here on the Forum, so I want to see for myself what is going on in the land of Shakira.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2594550]Tuesday afternoon the Clock Tower[/QUOTE]I enjoy all your reports. Feel I was there. Thank you.

Keep them off their phones once you closed the deal.

Here's a little lesson for the newbies. My friend flew in Tuesday for a few days, first time in CTG. Last night he wanted to go to Delirium to check it out because he saw a youtuber posting videos inside the club and he liked it. I told him repeatedly he did not leave NYC on a 5 hour flight out of America to do the same shit when he could stayed his ass at home and do it. He insisted so I said fuck it let him learn.

He goes in, I wait outside. He's texting me back like a kid in a candy store. I warn him be cool and state your price but he goes and asks how much, all the girls are telling him 700 mil or 800 mil for the night. After 5 minutes of this I say enough and I go in to get him and whatever girl he's haggling the price with. He points out the girl, I call her over and tell her 400 mil for the night 2 leche she refuse and stick to 800 mil. I take off my mask so she can see me smiling when I tell her "I have options over in Dulce and we out. " She recognizes me from one of her friends whatsapp status and says I know her amiga and she then agrees to the 400 mil with "listo". Cool, I tell my boy we out, to grab my chica from Dulce but he wants to be hard headed and stay in the disco and drink and dance with the girl. I tell him, "we not here for that, do that in the apartment, you are not here no impress anyone, no one cares how much you are spending on drinks, or how good you can grind, we need to go now. " he decides to stay.

I leave, tell my girl to come out of Dulce, I meet her outside and start walking back to the apartment. He text me, there's a problem. I go back over there, my chica does not want to go in as she only works in Dulce. I go in and of course the girl wants 800 mil. I ask him what happened, he doesn't know, she was on her phone texting then just wanted more money. I ask her why the increase, she says another guy is offering 1000 mil but she will go with my friend for 800 mil. I look at my friend and tell him its his pockets and his mistake so his choice if he want to get into a bidding war. He agrees, and she leaves with him. We are all walking back and she is still texting on her phone, then stops and tell my friend "no puedo." I ask why, the same guy offered her 1200 mil so now she wants 1000 mil. I told her no, she starts walking back to the club and my friend has the saddest look on his face. We decide to do a few loops outside Space, Dulce, Delirium and he finds another girl. Starts talking to her, she wants 600 mil, I counter with 300 mil we settle on 400 mil.

We get back to the apartment, jump in the pool start pouring drinks, he looks at my girl like a dog staring at a bone, ask me how much I'm paying. When I told him 300 mil for the night any night I want, unlimited rounds, and sometimes I just pay taxi one way and get it for free he couldn't believe.

Don't matter. Y'all shit about to get shut down!

"la joven que fue encontrada muerta el pasado 14 de agosto en el edificio Camalarí, en Bocagrande (Cartagena), señalan que la mujer fue asesinada por un hombre de origen estadounidense"

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CSxVZ1yFB45/?utm_medium=share_sheet[/URL]

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2594550]Tuesday afternoon the Clock Tower was flooded with cops. No girls anywhere. When it got dark, the color of the uniforms changed and it was Migracion prowling. Still no girls. I did a lot of walking around. This is the reason another poster asked if there was an alternate to the Clock Tower for finding SWs. Might be busy on other nights, but some nights not so much. Thanks to Johnny Law. At around 11:00 I returned to the CT and began to see a few girls hiding away from the center of the square and more by the benches. But only about six or so. Most looked desperate, but I was lucky to find a nice girl with a cute smile named Miche

This night for some reason the city was hopping. People everywhere and the bar next to my Airbnb going well late into the night.

Then back in the room she tried to say we had agree on 100 USD. I reminded her exactly of the conversation. She then asked for 50 k more, and I told her to leave. Then she said, It's Ok, and we began to go at it. But once again, I failed to set the rules up ahead of time and paid the price. Little friend was covered for the BJ and she was not great at it. When we moved on to other things she was texting while we were in the middle of the act. I couldn't sustain it and she knew it. She told me just to finish on her belly. I just wanted her out of there, so that's what happened. She mentioned a few times the need to pay her 50 k more, and I told her she was dreaming. She left after receiving a text that must have been her next date. Live and learn, I keep telling myself. Off to Barranquilla today. I see there is little in that section here on the Forum, so I want to see for myself what is going on in the land of Shakira.[/QUOTE]This is very good reporting, very informative, sounds like you handled the situations pretty well. Thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2594296]I operate the same. Tell them come for an hour, negotiate the price, they get here and its all business for them once the service is completed I pay them. 5 hours later they are still here playing in the pool, practicing their English on my while practice my Spanish on them. I ask them what happened to all business, they say I'm not like the others and the like being around me. These are the one I keep in my phone and can get on the ground info from before I come or while I'm here if something is happening.

Free WIFI for them is is like a gift of heaven.[/QUOTE]Yeah free wifi, a nice apartment and a good hard boning usually works.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594725]Don't matter. Y'all shit about to get shut down!

"la joven que fue encontrada muerta el pasado 14 de agosto en el edificio Camalar, en Bocagrande (Cartagena), sealan que la mujer fue asesinada por un hombre de origen estadounidense"

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CSxVZ1yFB45/?utm_medium=share_sheet[/URL][/QUOTE]I hope they catch him and he spends the rest of his life in some shithole Columbian jail.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2594730]I hope they catch him and he spends the rest of his life in some shithole Columbian jail.[/QUOTE]A Colombian jail would even be worse!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2594725]Don't matter. Y'all shit about to get shut down!

"la joven que fue encontrada muerta el pasado 14 de agosto en el edificio Camalar, en Bocagrande (Cartagena), sealan que la mujer fue asesinada por un hombre de origen estadounidense"

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CSxVZ1yFB45/?utm_medium=share_sheet[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2594730]I hope they catch him and he spends the rest of his life in some shithole Columbian jail.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2594734]A Colombian jail would even be worse![/QUOTE]Here is what looks like a some more detailed reports about the incident, as of the writing of this article it looks like the police have not actually called it a homicide yet.

According to the story in Semana, which has his mug shot picture from California, this guy had previously be sentenced to do 24 yrs in California Im trying to figure out how he got out of the country after that

https://www.semana.com/nacion/articulo/la-misteriosa-muerte-de-laura-melissa-caraballo-montano-en-exclusivo-sector-de-cartagena/202115/

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/feminicidio-o-suicidio-la-misteriosa-muerte-de-una-mujer-en-bocagrande-AA5211741[/URL]

Here is the story about him being sentenced in the US
https://www.commercial-news.com/news/local_news/condon-receives-24-years-in-idoc/article_fd282de8-b7ed-11ea-a5cb-fbb217464bfb.html

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2594770]Here is what looks like a some more detailed reports about the incident, as of the writing of this article it looks like the police have not actually called it a homicide yet.

According to the story in Semana, which has his mug shot picture from California, this guy had previously be sentenced to do 24 yrs in California Im trying to figure out how he got out of the country after that

https://www.semana.com/nacion/articulo/la-misteriosa-muerte-de-laura-melissa-caraballo-montano-en-exclusivo-sector-de-cartagena/202115/

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/feminicidio-o-suicidio-la-misteriosa-muerte-de-una-mujer-en-bocagrande-AA5211741[/URL]

Here is the story about him being sentenced in the US
https://www.commercial-news.com/news/local_news/condon-receives-24-years-in-idoc/article_fd282de8-b7ed-11ea-a5cb-fbb217464bfb.html[/QUOTE]I could have sworn I saw this girl working in Dolce.

Does anybody have any good contact information for setting up an excursion to the Rosarios while in Cartagena? The ladies I'm meeting there recommend it highly for a bikini-filled day.

Sounds like you got what you paid for.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2594550]Tuesday afternoon the Clock Tower was flooded with cops. No girls anywhere. When it got dark, the color of the uniforms changed and it was Migracion prowling. Still no girls. I did a lot of walking around. This is the reason another poster asked if there was an alternate to the Clock Tower for finding SWs. Might be busy on other nights, but some nights not so much. Thanks to Johnny Law. At around 11:00 I returned to the CT and began to see a few girls hiding away from the center of the square and more by the benches. But only about six or so. Most looked desperate, but I was lucky to find a nice girl with a cute smile named Michelle. She wanted 200 k. I talked her down to 100 k. Later, we were chatting and she wondered why I would counter her 200 k offer with 60 k. "Surely there are no girls that will go with your for 60. " I said I had been in Bogota and that was the price. (I didn't want to tell her that the price was actually 30 k. Didn't want a whole debate on that.) She said, Ah, ya. She understood. But not here, she said. In any event, I felt lucky. She had a great personality, liked to laugh, did not watch the clock and once she got ahold of your little friend in her mouth, would not let go. The longest BBBJ I've had since I can remember. I'm talking 30 minutes. I didn't want to stop her as she seemed to be enjoying it. However, in spite of all that, she did a lot of gagging and spitting. Said she hated the taste. Then went right back to work, stopping every once in a while to ask a question about me or about what kind of sex I liked. Excellent skills in the oral dept. When we got down to "amor" she was not as nimble. But still a lot of fun. 26 yo with 3 sons but you might not know it by looking at her. A Vennie who's been in the country for a year. Never tried to ask for more money. Wish I had repeated the second night. This night for some reason the city was hopping. People everywhere and the bar next to my Airbnb going well late into the night.

Wednesday, I signed up for the Chiva Party Bus tour. I didn't enjoy it. I jumped ship at the clock tower and the whole scene there was night and day from Tues. 10:30 PM and the plaza was jumping. No cops and a lot of girls. Openly negotiating with dudes like me. I got a couple of opening bids of 250 k. When I balked, they said 200 was the lowest they would go. I hung out a while checking out the talent. If I had been more patient I would probably have succumbed and paid the 200 k. Only something told me that these girls would not live up to the price tag. I ran into Michelle again and made the mistake of not repeating. I had dreams of bigger and better fish, fool that I am. Instead of going for personality, I went for looks. And was disappointed. The one I found was willing to go with me for 100 k. Then back in the room she tried to say we had agree on 100 USD. I reminded her exactly of the conversation. She then asked for 50 k more, and I told her to leave. Then she said, It's Ok, and we began to go at it. But once again, I failed to set the rules up ahead of time and paid the price. Little friend was covered for the BJ and she was not great at it. When we moved on to other things she was texting while we were in the middle of the act. I couldn't sustain it and she knew it. She told me just to finish on her belly. I just wanted her out of there, so that's what happened. She mentioned a few times the need to pay her 50 k more, and I told her she was dreaming. She left after receiving a text that must have been her next date. Live and learn, I keep telling myself. Off to Barranquilla today. I see there is little in that section here on the Forum, so I want to see for myself what is going on in the land of Shakira.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2594790]I could have sworn I saw this girl working in Dolce.[/QUOTE]My exact same thoughts as I was reading the story.

Sad situation but as typical the parents, the father, oh no she was not a sex worker, yea right.

Again very sad that she died but sometimes when these girls are in this life bad things happen be it in Colombia or Europe or the US.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2594679]Keep them off their phones once you closed the deal.

Here's a little lesson for the newbies.

I tell him, "we not here for that, do that in the apartment, you are not here no impress anyone, no one cares how much you are spending on drinks, or how good you can grind, we need to go now. " he decides to stay.
[/QUOTE]Truer words have never been spoken. This should be posted on a sign hanging prominently in every bar and club in Colombia.

If a guy wants to dance then they need to head to a normal salsa club and have at it but every chica in the clubs of Cartagena are there for one thing and one thing only, and this is to sell their pussy for an agreed amount of time, end of story, full stop.

And I live what I preach as last weekend I wanted to dance at a club so my good Colombian buddy and I went to a cool techno-regge club on the 45 in Manrique (a barrio of Medellin) and we had a blast dancing with groups of regular Colombian guys and gals for 5 hours, it was a party atmosphere, great fun, yes I got some digits with some really cool paisas I met there but the night was just to hang out and chill. I ended up spending 135 mil for 5 hours of multiple bottles of rum which I shared with other tables throughout the night as they also shared their drinks and joints and other party favors with me.

The Tall Man.

Thursday. Its hot! Skin burning hot, perfect for a pool party. Texted the girls and explained to them they are welcome to come over and hang out play in the pool, we will order Rappi for lunch, and if the guys want it will be 1 leche for 150 mil. All the girls agreed. All three girls arrived we started playing in the pool having fun, they are doing their selfies and Instagram pics. Food gets here everyone goes down and eat (I'm still shocked I only spent $50 on food for 6 people and we still had plenty left overs). We ran out of corona as Exito only had the small ones so all three of us return to our rooms with the girls to do our thing, finish up then back to the pool. About 3 hours later here comes the rain we all run inside and decide to call it a night. Told the girls if they want to take the leftover food with them they can since we were going to toss it. They agreed, cleaned up the kitchen and washed the dishes so we barely had anything to clean up.

We are stuck in side with all the rain, and I decide to just get more girls to come over but my boy want to go back to Delirium. Fine. We all walk over there in the rain and as soon as we get there the rain stops jajaja. We all go in, my boy learned his lesson, he saw what he wanted negotiated the price and took her out the disco immediately. I'm still looking but don't see anything, my other friend looks as well sees nothing so we leave. On the way out I recognize a few mongers from Sosua, gave them the head nod and kept moving. I get outside and my other friend gets something that was outside that was about to go inside Delirium. We start walking over to Dolce and I see more familiar monger faces from Sosua, gave them the head nod and kept moving. On my way into Dolce, one of the girls that was at the apartment earlier was outside looking angry. I ask what's wrong (something I would suggest you should never do), she says they won't let her in because they say she was late but if she goes in with me they will let her in (I didn't know there was a cut off time for girls to get in because I see them going in all random times). We go in and I see another familiar Sosua face, I pay no mind to it and go for something I like and offered 400 mil but was instantly countered with 800 mil. When asked why she said all the girls in Dolce were 800 mil because Dolce only let in the best girls. OK, no problem I move on to look for something else then to my surprise when I get back to the bar she's talking to the same girl I came into the club with so I go over and in a joking way asked her why is her friend trying to empty my pockets. She laughs and says that price is my price because her friend does not know me and don't know if I will hurt her preventing her from working for a few days. Sounds fair I guess. They start talking and she comes back over to me and say "400 mil la noche, Listo". I countered with 300 mil la noche just to be funny and she agrees. All back to the apartment more drinks and playing a few rounds of Just Dance winner gets 50 mil looser takes a shot, girls ordered more food (I don't know where these girls get food delivers from at 1 am because most Rappi places are closed).

All in all another fun night, and fun morning, I got 2 rounds out of her, gave her the 400 mil to which she was surprised because she also walked away with an extra 100 mil from winning at the game. Now she wants to come back the next night, I told her no, she can stop by during the day time but it will be 150 mil. She agrees.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2594966]My exact same thoughts as I was reading the story.

Sad situation but as typical the parents, the father, oh no she was not a sex worker, yea right.

Again very sad that she died but sometimes when these girls are in this life bad things happen be it in Colombia or Europe or the US.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Two of my Dolce girls confirmed she use to work in there and was into drugs allot and they thought it she offed herself.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2595027]Two of my Dolce girls confirmed she use to work in there and was into drugs allot and they thought it she offed herself.[/QUOTE]This story is very sad. Two weeks ago I messaged a pimp that I know from my previous trip for some pictures to see what the talent was like for our upcoming trip. This girl was was one of the first he sent me. When I asked him about her yesterday he said she was killed.

Arrived in Cartagena Colombia on August 11th after I saw my flight with Spirit was going to be a no go out of Kansas City. I pulled out that American Airline card by Citibank and was on my way to Miami with a connection to Cartagena. Phone worked on arrival in Cartagena but had no Wi-Fi like I was told I would have, so stop into a phone store and ask about getting wi-fi was told would have to swap out the sim card so I passed since I had text. Headed to Hotel OZ for the 1st day to rest and look around some than connected the hotel wi-fi to get in touch with a scuba diving friend from NY that I met in the DR. Wanted to show me the Clock Tower, really let's go.

Went to all 3-4 clubs so full of hot sexy ass chica brought a bottle at one of the clubs Dolce, and put my hands all over nice ass and tits for awhile the bottle price was worth the cost. I notice a tall dark hair sexy looking chica just watching us I turn my head and made eye contact with her, and her big tits and that ass was the first thing I touch when I greeted her. Name was Liz, 22 tall amazon at least 5'11 super long legs I notice from the slit in her dress that almost went up to that pussy and yes I touched that too. Looked at the time it was 1 am I ask her to come with me home she said yes so, I said is 500 K ok she wanted 700 K told her ok but you are going to earn every dam peso. Got to the hotel after stopping to get tequila had the hotel bring us ice. We fuck 2 or 3 times before falling to sleep. Day #2. We woke up late went to a store that sold beach wear to buy her a common casual shoes and a dress got breakfast took a cab to The Airbnb to see Juan and the apartment.

Juan is a super good guy and host. He gives me the keys for 404 and said you go I will be there in 10 min.

The apartment was great 2 rooms 2 bath and the patio door to the balcony was right on the ocean and no one can see on the balcony at night the water was right below us. I asked Juan was it a place near by to take my Corvid rapid test, he asked when I needed it done and sent the person right to the apartment at the time, we set I didn't have to go nowhere. I was too lazy to plan anything for the night just wanted some dinner and lay around with Liz giving me BBJ at the apartment. Liz was on her phone texting I seen a photo on her phone and said Dam, who is that" Liz tells me, "That's her friend from Medellin why you what her, "hell yea.

Here is Karna, nice fat ass super pretty face and tits off the hook. Great threesome with two pretty girls. I was happy got some ass too from Karna, that morning. Cost 100 USD to Karna plus 300 K to Liz and taxi and a Uber.

They went home about 7 AM. Day#3. Went to Hollywood beach around 2 PM to meet Tony. This guy already had me a spot with a sexy girl than wanted to bring more, had to tell him to stop I'm good plus some of them that came by was just 7-8's. A very sexy small girl ass moving real nice with prefect makeup and hot body came over acting boosie like she was the shit, she was very cute and model like, so we talked, and she was making me sick so I told her, " I'm the prize not you," but I'm going to fuck you anyway. Showed Tony how much I owed him, on my phone because I keep track, he said ok just come back tomorrow I have a girl for you laugh gave him a tip and he and his guys walked me and Karen out to a taxi which I didn't need and could have walk because the apartments are near. Fucked the shit out of Karen right in the shower and turn demon when I get her on the bed and it was nice tight and so wet and get her ass too and dam she was loud, but that's what I wanted. She hung out on the balcony in just a towel. Drinking I fuck that boosie out of her now she was down to earth and really a sweet super cute girl.

Day#4 Just hung around the apartment but next door had a gang of guys that was loud that all spoke Spanish and told me I was loud too they hear that girl we all just laugh. Told them I'm off to go jet ski.

They told me bad idea, bad water come with us to good blue water, so I did. Had a great time lots of sexy women and nice blue water don't remember the name take a boat to get there.

Next 2 days hung around fucked some chicas right around the apartment 10-15 always was hanging around every day in the some spot. Ready to visit again next month.

I've been reading some of these trip reports and I'm confused. Are some of you guys really paying these chicks 700,000 and 800,000 k cop. I've been to Cartagena at least 5 times now the latest being in June and never paid more than 300,000 and that's when I'm pulling chicks out of the club. I give the clock tower chicks 200,000 to 250,000. Depending on the time of night we end up falling asleep anyway and they spend the night, if I smash again in the morning I'll tip her 50,000 to 100,000 k but sometimes they don't even ask I just to do it out of kindness. I would never agree to that price for the whole night if I didn't do a st session first because you never know how well she will perform and now she's looking for the 800,000 k you promised her even if she only stays for one hour.

Negotiate for ST first and then if you want her to stay all night offer her 100,000 to 150,000 more. These girls are robbing you guys blind.

[QUOTE=Mrai7870;2595197]This story is very sad. Two weeks ago I messaged a pimp that I know from my previous trip for some pictures to see what the talent was like for our upcoming trip. This girl was was one of the first he sent me. When I asked him about her yesterday he said she was killed.[/QUOTE]Sad yes. I read the details on a Facebook group page as it was being discussed.

I read the article, sad, such a pretty girl. Her father and other family members swore that no she was not involved in sex work or drugs, right.

RIP and prayers to the family and friends.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=EdwardQ;2594550]

Wednesday, I signed up for the Chiva Party Bus tour. I didn't enjoy it. I jumped ship at the clock tower and the whole scene there was night and day from Tues. 10:30 PM and the plaza was jumping. No cops and a lot of girls. Openly negotiating with dudes like me. I got a couple of opening bids of 250 k. When I balked, they said 200 was the lowest they would go. I hung out a while checking out the talent. If I had been more patient I would probably have succumbed and paid the 200 k. Only something told me that these girls would not live up to the price tag. I ran into Michelle again and made the mistake of not repeating. I had dreams of bigger and better fish, fool that I am. Instead of going for personality, I went for looks. And was disappointed. The one I found was willing to go with me for 100 k. Then back in the room she tried to say we had agree on 100 USD. I reminded her exactly of the conversation. She then asked for 50 k more, and I told her to leave. Then she said, It's Ok, and we began to go at it. But once again, I failed to set the rules up ahead of time and paid the price. Little friend was covered for the BJ and she was not great at it. When we moved on to other things she was texting while we were in the middle of the act. I couldn't sustain it and she knew it. She told me just to finish on her belly. I just wanted her out of there, so that's what happened. She mentioned a few times the need to pay her 50 k more, and I told her she was dreaming. She left after receiving a text that must have been her next date. Live and learn, I keep telling myself. Off to Barranquilla today. I see there is little in that section here on the Forum, so I want to see for myself what is going on in the land of Shakira.[/QUOTE]A frequent theme of mine is if I find one that ""works" for me, I keep them. Especially as when I used to change frequently, I so often had the same experience wishing I had kept last night's girl on staff.

However, reading about No 2, you can't expect them to treat you like you are the man of their dreams, but you would expect some effort on her part. Personally, if it had been me, I would have given her the cab fare as soon as she started playing up about $100. My experience is that those who will try to scam you, will invariably perform poorly.

[QUOTE=Mrai7870;2595197]This story is very sad. Two weeks ago I messaged a pimp that I know from my previous trip for some pictures to see what the talent was like for our upcoming trip. This girl was was one of the first he sent me. When I asked him about her yesterday he said she was killed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2595027]Two of my Dolce girls confirmed she use to work in there and was into drugs allot and they thought it she offed herself.[/QUOTE]I have seen a couple of these posts on Facebook, as I have attached below. Some chicas that frequent Cartagena posted these images claiming the girl was murdered. But it could just be drama.

The whiole situation is kind of weird.

The parts of the story that indicate something odd are that the family talked like they knew the girl was seeing this guy, and that is not typical of a working girl transaction thing, I am not saying that she was not a working girl, I am saying that it does not seem to be how she came to be in his apartment, but the most suspicious part is, if this is the guy they say it is, he was known to have confessed to killing one person already, so that is one that we know of, so my questioning attitude is asking this: What are the chances of coincidence that this chica picked a known murderers apartment to commit suicide in?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2594734]A Colombian jail would even be worse![/QUOTE]I remember a few years ago, reading a story of a woman in Colombia who had seven children, six of which were daughters. Apparently as soon as the daughters reached certain (under) age, she sold their virginities for the equivalent of $200 US, and it all came to light when the last daughter complained to the police and there then follows the story in the papers complete with mugshot etc.

Looking in the comments section, of the first 19 comments from Americans, 16 stated "Columbia" rather than "Colombia". I remember thinking at the time, "Would I really want to take advice on how to deal with the issue from people who were so uninformed, that even though they see the correct name of the country, still can't copy it down correctly.

There are typos, and there is ignorance. Anyone can make a typo, but that will not stop the ignorant from giving their opinions on a whole host of problems for which they are nowhere near qualified. That is said without any disrespect to the person who posted the typo in this particular thread.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2594770]Here is what looks like a some more detailed reports about the incident, as of the writing of this article it looks like the police have not actually called it a homicide yet.

According to the story in Semana, which has his mug shot picture from California, this guy had previously be sentenced to do 24 yrs in California Im trying to figure out how he got out of the country after that

https://www.semana.com/nacion/articulo/la-misteriosa-muerte-de-laura-melissa-caraballo-montano-en-exclusivo-sector-de-cartagena/202115/

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/feminicidio-o-suicidio-la-misteriosa-muerte-de-una-mujer-en-bocagrande-AA5211741[/URL]

Here is the story about him being sentenced in the US
https://www.commercial-news.com/news/local_news/condon-receives-24-years-in-idoc/article_fd282de8-b7ed-11ea-a5cb-fbb217464bfb.html[/QUOTE]I googled Condon and the mugshot is actually from Il and not CA.

What I am having trouble with is that this is supposed to be a man serving 24 years without parole in an Illinois prison, and yet I can find no mention of him in the US press linking him to this crime, or that he escaped, or questioning how he is currently in Colombia. That suggests to me that the IL Condon is unlikely to be the same one mentioned in Cartagena.

By my calculations, Condon was aged 18 or 19 when the Il murder occurred. Yet it is claimed that he paid a bribe of $5 mill to get out of prison in the US. What are the chances of a teen having that much money to begin with?

Whether there was a murder or not, there is something wrong with what I've read so far. What would normally happen in a story like this, is the Colombian press would have contacted the media in Danville IL to sell the story to them, and the failure to see any mention of the story in the US press makes me think there is no connection.

Then there is this: [URL]https://www.inmateaid.com/inmate-profiles/christopher-condon-2495632[/URL] which though undated, does show him to be currently in custody.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595444]I have seen a couple of these posts on Facebook, as I have attached below. Some chicas that frequent Cartagena posted these images claiming the girl was murdered. But it could just be drama.

The whiole situation is kind of weird.

The parts of the story that indicate something odd are that the family talked like they knew the girl was seeing this guy, and that is not typical of a working girl transaction thing, I am not saying that she was not a working girl, I am saying that it does not seem to be how she came to be in his apartment, but the most suspicious part is, if this is the guy they say it is, he was known to have confessed to killing one person already, so that is one that we know of, so my questioning attitude is asking this: What are the chances of coincidence that this chica picked a known murderers apartment to commit suicide in?[/QUOTE]That really is a highly improbable scenario as you suggest. But right now, based on my previous post to you, I am inclined to believe that the Condon shown in the pic, is not the same person as the occupier of that room. If it were, I think it would not have just made headlines in Illinois, but almost certainly nationally. How does a man supposedly serving a 24 year sentence in the US with still over 20 years of hos sentence left to do, appear in Cartagena (notwithstanding the $5 mill USD bribe allegation), and the media are not looking for answers?

[QUOTE=Kmac22;2595392]I've been reading some of these trip reports and I'm confused. Are some of you guys really paying these chicks 700,000 and 800,000 k cop. I've been to Cartagena at least 5 times now the latest being in June and never paid more than 300,000
Negotiate for ST first and then if you want her to stay all night offer her 100,000 to 150,000 more. These girls are robbing you guys blind.[/QUOTE]LOL. You have 3 posts here and have that much sense. Kind of defeats the purpose of mongering in the 3rd world if you are going to pay 1st world prices. Badass GFE from Tinder just left here in Bogota for 150,000 2 hours. She did not count the money or time. I think the guys are robbing themselves blind.

I've contacted the journo who covered Condon's sentencing hearing, [URL]https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/courts-police-fire/danville-man-who-admitted-fatally-stabbing-bar-owner-in-2018-gets-24-years/article_3f9835e1-c608-5128-a0af-2e39695df0b5.html[/URL] and she has made enquiries and confirms that Condon is currently in custody in Illinois.

As I suspected, this is definitely a case of mistaken identity. Either someone has used Condon's ID, or there is another Christopher Condon totally unrelated to the person shown in both the news item above and the Semana article. Either way, Semana's story is journalism of the sloppiest kind.

[QUOTE=OnFireBoy;2586644]I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.[/QUOTE]OnFireBoy. Sent you a PM. Hope to hear from you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595479]LOL. You have 3 posts here and have that much sense. Kind of defeats the purpose of mongering in the 3rd world if you are going to pay 1st world prices. Badass GFE from Tinder just left here in Bogota for 150,000 2 hours. She did not count the money or time. I think the guys are robbing themselves blind.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I was in Cartagena in March and got the girl for 300 k-450 k for the whole night and I normally give them 50 k tips if they are very friendly and cooperative. Girls will always ask for more but a bit negotiation they drop the price.

Its Friday, another rinse and repeat. Started off the day texting new chicas to come over for a pool party. 150 mil for 1 polvo if the guys want to, they agree. One of the girls showed up with an extra friend who was a little chubby where they pull the pants up past their belly button to hide the stomach but cute in the face. So I let her in just to see how she gets down. We start playing Twister and Just Dance, order food, playing in the pool. They start doing their Instagram stories taking pictures of the food and drinks next to the pool. I'm like cool, one of my boys grabbed the chubby chick an another for a trio and my other friend and I split the other two. Everyone handle their business and send the girls on their way.

Off to big Exito by the bank to restock the beer. No Corona. No Stella. Tons of Heineken, Michelob Ultra and the local beers. We al looked at each other like fuck no and walked over to the other other large Exito by the fancy mall, no Corona, no Stella, just local beers in cans. We call it quits and decide to do a little shopping and head back to the apartment. I text another girl to come for a quick session for 200 mil. In the middle of my session my boy runs over and knocks on my door yelling "Yo they shooting outside, is it safe or we got's to go! So I stop, open my door and listen for a second and tell him its just fireworks, relax. He insists its gunshots so I tell him "Bro, you from Brooklyn, you hear gunshots all the time in the 30+ years you lived there. I know its your first time in Colombia but a gunshot sounds the same no matter what country you are in, their guns are not shooting in Spanish down here" then I close my door and continue my session. Send the girl on her way and decide to go get something new.

We decide to walk around along the wall and enter from the Clock tower side so he can see what it looks like on a Friday night. Tons of girls, lots of guys negotiating, I see a single police car with flashing lights and another familiar face from Sosua. Lo and behold I happen to look at his shirt and it says (Paradise Lyfe) and that's when it all clicked and I realized that Sosua travel group is here and we need to make moves now. My boy wants to go back to Delirium, I tell him no we need to do Space tonight. He insists on Delirium. I explain to him, many of these Sosua mongers are old, out of shape, over weight men, the steps they have to walk up to get into Space will be a good deterrent to keep most of them out so you won't be constantly rubbing up against beer bellies. Meanwhile one of my regular chicas posts a stats on Whatsapp showing that she's in space. I ask her "Are there any fat black big belly guys in there" she says "no but not many girls, the girls will come after 10. " Ok cool. We start walking toward the discos and I see about 7 cops surround 4 chicas asking for papers, looks like they are really cracking down on the immigrants because they have been going on almost every night since I got here. Now we are on the Delirium street side an about to make the left to get to the Dolce / Space side and this girl stops me and we get to talking with her little English and my little Spanish but she was cute as fuck, my boy decides to keep walking straight, and walk right into Delirium. I did the biggest face palm my brain shook. I start walking over to Space and text him telling him to do what you need to do over there and meet me in Space. 20 minutes later he walks in Space mad as hell and I already knew why so I just joked and asked how did those beer bellies feel rubbing against his back. He starts ranting "We got these fat ass mongers in there who look like their primary purpose in life is to take up as much space as possible. They have the beer bellies and the man purse but they put the man purse in front of the beer belly taking up even more space. Then they sweating so crazy they got hand towels over their shoulders or wash cloths on top of their heads constantly wiping sweat from their face. " I didn't want to tell I'm "I told you so" so I just told him play the field and grab something quick before the ones who can make it up the steps get here.

My other boy already got something and they are just getting beers drinking. I'm still looking. One girl walks in, sees me, comes over kiss me on the cheek and disappears into the crowd, a few minutes later another girl comes in and does the same thing, then another comes and does the same. My friend saw this from by the bar and comes back and ask why all these girls kissing you. I let him know these are my new chicas, I've been fucking them on a rotation during the day before he landed. Hes surprised at how many they were. I explained to him these same girls in the discos that are telling everyone 600 mil+ are all 150 mil for me during the day and they are more fun in the day time. My friend see something he like, approaches her and comes back mad as hell. Turns out she turned him down saying "No negros", but took his whatsapp number number anyway. I tell him "Ok, cool, get another one." He's pissed so I have to explain to him the culture is different down here, he is accustom to moreno or morena but down here the language is negro or negra which is just the name of the color in Spanish. Ight hes cool now, and the girl starts sending him a few pics of other girls who are her friends and she says they will do negro. He sees one he like, picks it and she shows up to the club in 5 minutes. I on the other hand see nothing and then a train of guys come in and goes straight to the VIP area (shout out the guy rocking the black and gold Versace outfit with the included matching hand purse and flip flops). Then in comes one of the beer beer belly guys with the man purse in front of the beer belly. That's my que to leave.

On the way out a chica who I know who only operate on Tinder was coming in with a monger and he goes straight to the VIP (I don't know why he would bring non disco chicas into a disco when many of these Tinder girls have boyfriends and don't want to be seen as a working girl. Bad for the monger because the BF can come after him and bad for the girl because the BF can hurt her). She starts texting me she don't want to be here but he's her client and he wants to be here and hes paying allot. More power to him and his pockets I guess, but I tell her once she gets the smoke smell out her hair to come see me.

I get outside and and see this hot short chick with a CardiB twisted face and approach her with "Hola, Que te Pasa". She smiles, tell me her price 300 mil por hora and 600 mil la noche. I counter with 200 mil la noche and 400 mil la noche. She responds back with "No, I'm Colombian and Colombians charge more". Oops I guess I started off the introduction wrong by using Venezuelan dialect and she's Colombian, but then it hits me, I've been with this chica before but I don't remember her face because I mostly hit it from the back. So I take off my mask and she yells out "Oh tuuuu, pene rico!" and she agrees to my price but I tell her later I want to try something new. I get a random slim girl coming out the club, 19 years old, only been working for 4 months and only 6 months in Colombia. I skip all the small talk and lead with "200 mil, una polvo, vamos!" she goes back across the street talk to her friends then comes back and counter with 300 mil. I counter with 200 mil + taxi she agrees and its off to the apartment to continue the fun.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595492]I've contacted the journo who covered Condon's sentencing hearing, [URL]https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/courts-police-fire/danville-man-who-admitted-fatally-stabbing-bar-owner-in-2018-gets-24-years/article_3f9835e1-c608-5128-a0af-2e39695df0b5.html[/URL] and she has made enquiries and confirms that Condon is currently in custody in Illinois.d.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595466]But right now, based on my previous post to you, I am inclined to believe that the Condon shown in the pic, is not the same person as the occupier of that room. If it were, I think it would not have just made headlines in Illinois, but almost certainly nationally(notwithstanding the $5 mill USD bribe allegation), and the media are not looking for answers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595454]I googled Condon and the mugshot is actually from Il and not CA.

Yet it is claimed that he paid a bribe of $5 mill to get out of prison in the US. What are the chances of a teen having that much money to begin with?

Then there is this: [URL]https://www.inmateaid.com/inmate-profiles/christopher-condon-2495632[/URL] which though undated, does show him to be currently in custody.[/QUOTE]Outstanding work Mr Holmes!, because of the Semana mis reporting I had been focused on Danville California and I did go so far as to look up his name in the California inmate database, which confused me even more when his name was not listed. LOL.

That part about the 5 million dollar bribe was over the top, I thought beacuase I had read that he had a 5 million dollar bail bond that maybe possibly he was from some wealthy family that had posted his bond and he ran, so the Colombain reporters were calling it a "payoff" but then I could not find anything in the news about that and surely the journalist who followed his court story would have made a bid deal out of that and I could not find anything.

What you have discovered means that these irresponsiblle media like "Semana" are feeding the greiving family a false narrative. They really are peices of shit. I do not know enough about Colombian media to know if there are reputable news organizations.

[QUOTE=Kmac22;2595392]I've been reading some of these trip reports and I'm confused. Are some of you guys really paying these chicks 700,000 and 800,000 k cop. I've been to Cartagena at least 5 times now the latest being in June and never paid more than 300,000 and that's when I'm pulling chicks out of the club. I give the clock tower chicks 200,000 to 250,000. Depending on the time of night we end up falling asleep anyway and they spend the night, if I smash again in the morning I'll tip her 50,000 to 100,000 k but sometimes they don't even ask I just to do it out of kindness. I would never agree to that price for the whole night if I didn't do a st session first because you never know how well she will perform and now she's looking for the 800,000 k you promised her even if she only stays for one hour.

Negotiate for ST first and then if you want her to stay all night offer her 100,000 to 150,000 more. These girls are robbing you guys blind.[/QUOTE]No they are not robbing anyone. Please post a few photos of the girls you are pulling out of Club Dolce for 300,000. Hell you have 3 whole post no photos but now claim you're a great negotiator and we are being robbed, or is it you are just getting bottom of barrel with low performers. Surely you not getting top lookers and performers out of Dolce. I didn't see a girl in Dolce that I would not have paid 500,000 to for TLN and if it's she is my type pretty, fat ass and big tits with cute feet and a freak I will pay 600,000 or even 700,000 COP since I don't do ST and a curfew with me they earn every COP and more. I show respect treat them well and in the end I win and feel happy not robbed. Each his own and waiting to see your post with Photos.

Fellas,

I will be making my second trip to Cartagena on Sep 2nd, and I'm trying to find a restaurant in Bocagrande that serves grilled lobster.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595581]No they are not robbing anyone. Please post a few photos of the girls you are pulling out of Club Dolce for 300,000. Hell you have 3 whole post no photos but now claim you're a great negotiator and we are being robbed, or is it you are just getting bottom of barrel with low performers. Surely you not getting top lookers and performers out of Dolce. I didn't see a girl in Dolce that I would not have paid 500,000 to for TLN and if it's she is my type pretty, fat ass and big tits with cute feet and a freak I will pay 600,000 or even 700,000 COP since I don't do ST and a curfew with me they earn every COP and more. I show respect treat them well and in the end I win and feel happy not robbed. Each his own and waiting to see your post with Photos.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm a long time lurker but I am not a novice to our hobby. First you need to understand that you are dealing with working girls and the amount you pay has no bearing on the performance you may receive. Second, you are in Cartagena, Colombia and beautiful girls from all over Colombia come to work and make money in Cartagena, there is no shortage of beautiful women and the majority of them will go home at the end of the night without a client. Third, a lot of the time the girls will test you to see if your green or if you really know the game so they will throw out a ridiculous number like 700,000-800,000 to see if you know what your doing.

On my last trip in June I had a chica come over from Tinder she was actually right next door from where I was staying and she saw me before going in and out of my place so she knew where I was. She knocked on my door one of my friends opened it and she was a knockout, as close to a 10 as I've seen. We talked for a little bit, I called her a stalker LOL but when we started negotiations she said her price for TLN was 200 USD. I laughed because I thought she was joking but she insisted that was her price. My friend was telling me to take her and pay it since she was so gorgeous and I'm not hurting for money. I declined and she left. I went back on Tinder and 45 minutes later I had another knockout at my door who was just as good looking and I negotiated 300,00 for TLN. We ordered food, chilled in the pool, smoked, drank, danced and fucked the night away. I gave her a 50,000 tip and sent her on her way. Turns out the $200 girl came back to my spot with someone in my group the next night for 350,000 pesos which was even too much IMO, that extra 50,000 should be a tip if she performs well.

Long story short, they are playing you and yes robbing you blind. You have 78 post and somehow with all the information available to you in this forum you are somehow paying working girls 800,000 in Colombia. No chica in Colombia is worth that much for one night.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595581]No they are not robbing anyone. Please post a few photos of the girls you are pulling out of Club Dolce for 300,000. Hell you have 3 whole post no photos but now claim you're a great negotiator and we are being robbed, or is it you are just getting bottom of barrel with low performers. Surely you not getting top lookers and performers out of Dolce. I didn't see a girl in Dolce that I would not have paid 500,000 to for TLN and if it's she is my type pretty, fat ass and big tits with cute feet and a freak I will pay 600,000 or even 700,000 COP since I don't do ST and a curfew with me they earn every COP and more. I show respect treat them well and in the end I win and feel happy not robbed. Each his own and waiting to see your post with Photos.[/QUOTE]I have been going to Cartagena for 12 years and have given at length reports and if you are pying over 250 k COP you are giving to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund. Nobody needs to post any photos of any chicas they paid 300 k for because even that is too much unless you are getting some extras. The most anyone should be paying for TLN is 400/500 k. I personally could give a shit less if you want to pay 600/700 k for TLN but to come on here and argue that you are paying more because other guys are getting ugly chicas does not pass the smell test. You are paying way over scale and coming on here and scolding someone who is paying the price that should be paid.

Anyone who reads the forum thoroughly would no this already, there is a bunch of guys who pay way more than other guys and if you want to give to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund that is fine by me, I don't hate on people that overpay, but do not be down on someone who is not going to overpay, there are chicas that I think are very attractive that you might not think.

Bellow are chicas I paid each 200 k and spent an hour with one, about two hours with a couple of them and one stayed all night. I took all these photos, I didn't pull them off of a social media site. Are they going to wind a miss universe contest, maybe not, but diffent tastes for different people and thy looked as good as anything else in the clubs that night

Arrived Friday night to meet up with one of my Chicas I'm staying with at Dann Hotel.

Nice place, and after dinner on Saturday around 9 PM I took a stroll around the neighborhood in Laguito by myself and there were walkers out.

A few of them quoted 200 K with no specifics, but I know it could be a lot less than this as they were not beauty queens.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595611]I have been going to Cartagena for 12 years and have given at length reports and if you are pying over 250 k COP you are giving to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund. Nobody needs to post any photos of any chicas they paid 300 k for because even that is too much unless you are getting some extras. The most anyone should be paying for TLN is 400/500 k. I personally could give a shit less if you want to pay 600/700 k for TLN but to come on here and argue that you are paying more because other guys are getting ugly chicas does not pass the smell test. You are paying way over scale and coming on here and scolding someone who is paying the price that should be paid.

Anyone who reads the forum thoroughly would no this already, there is a bunch of guys who pay way more than other guys and if you want to give to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund that is fine by me, I don't hate on people that overpay, but do not be down on someone who is not going to overpay, there are chicas that I think are very attractive that you might not think.

Bellow are chicas I paid each 200 k and spent an hour with one, about two hours with a couple of them and one stayed all night. I took all these photos, I didn't pull them off of a social media site. Are they going to wind a miss universe contest, maybe not, but diffent tastes for different people and thy looked as good as anything else in the clubs that night[/QUOTE]I get much hotter in Bogota for 60 k.

I was with hot identical twins for 200 k LOL.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2594679]Keep them off their phones once you closed the deal.

Here's a little lesson for the newbies. My friend flew in Tuesday for a few days, first time in CTG. Last night he wanted to go to Delirium to check it out because he saw a youtuber posting videos inside the club and he liked it. I told him repeatedly he did not leave NYC on a 5 hour flight out of America to do the same shit when he could stayed his ass at home and do it. He insisted so I said fuck it let him learn.

He goes in, I wait outside. He's texting me back like a kid in a candy store. I warn him be cool and state your price but he goes and asks how much, all the girls are telling him 700 mil or 800 mil for the night. After 5 minutes of this I say enough and I go in to get him and whatever girl he's haggling the price with. He points out the girl, I call her over and tell her 400 mil for the night 2 leche she refuse and stick to 800 mil. I take off my mask so she can see me smiling when I tell her "I have options over in Dulce and we out. " She recognizes me from one of her friends whatsapp status and says I know her amiga and she then agrees to the 400 mil with "listo". Cool, I tell my boy we out, to grab my chica from Dulce but he wants to be hard headed and stay in the disco and drink and dance with the girl. I tell him, "we not here for that, do that in the apartment, you are not here no impress anyone, no one cares how much you are spending on drinks, or how good you can grind, we need to go now. " he decides to stay..[/QUOTE]The absolute most I've ever been quoted in Delirium or Dulce was 350 mil or whatever the equivalent of $100 is. I've been to Cartagena 7 times since 2019 last trip being in June and and upcoming trip scheduled for Nov. Is this the new price we should expecting?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2595654]I get much hotter in Bogota for 60 k.

I was with hot identical twins for 200 k LOL.[/QUOTE]Cartagena is more expensive than Bogota and for a good reason. Beautiful, world class historic city on a beach (shitty beach, yes, but still). It feels like a resort. Does Bogota feel like a resort? I actually like Bogota, but I believe I'm in minority.

And 60 K you paid. Was it for 20 or 30 minutes? Not for a full hour, anyway.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2595618]Arrived Friday night to meet up with one of my Chicas I'm staying with at Dann Hotel.

Nice place, and after dinner on Saturday around 9 PM I took a stroll around the neighborhood in Laguito by myself and there were walkers out.

A few of them quoted 200 K with no specifics, but I know it could be a lot less than this as they were not beauty queens.[/QUOTE]You can always find chicas in El Laguito at night in that same area on Calle 1 B. Down from Edificio Nuevo Conquistador on the same side of the street.

When I first started visiting Cartagena I use to stay in Centro within the walled city not far from the clock tower. Now I have been staying near the beaches in Bocagrande, El Laguito or Castillogrande. All areas have excellent choices to stay near the beach. I have been to Tierra Bomba Island several times and want to go to Baru. You can always use Cartagena as a jump off point to other destinations and better beaches. I like the feel of Cartagena near the beach and the clock tower is a quick 8 k-9 k taxi ride away.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595580]Outstanding work Mr Holmes!, because of the Semana mis reporting I had been focused on Danville California and I did go so far as to look up his name in the California inmate database, which confused me even more when his name was not listed. LOL.

That part about the 5 million dollar bribe was over the top, I thought beacuase I had read that he had a 5 million dollar bail bond that maybe possibly he was from some wealthy family that had posted his bond and he ran, so the Colombain reporters were calling it a "payoff" but then I could not find anything in the news about that and surely the journalist who followed his court story would have made a bid deal out of that and I could not find anything.

What you have discovered means that these irresponsiblle media like "Semana" are feeding the greiving family a false narrative. They really are peices of shit. I do not know enough about Colombian media to know if there are reputable news organizations.[/QUOTE]Your own investigations were heading in the right direction. I find that when reading these stories, the thing to do is to look for what should be in the story, but isn't. Whether someone bribed his way out of prison or escaped, this is surely a story where the US media would have been reporting, but they weren't.

There are three main revenue streams for the media: Advertising. Cover price if it is in print. Wire service. With the last of these you can probably presume quite safely that the local paper in Danville IL will have been notified but not having the resources to send a reporter, will have covered the story by using local "stringers". This would have been a big story at least in IL, and with possible undertones of serious corruption, would have been covered by many of the US media. The journo that I emailed was not even aware of the story which tells me that Semana knew the story was fake and never put it on the Wire Service, or tried to sell the story to those who would be obviously interested, starting with the IL Media. It was the failure of the US media to write about this, that got my antenna twitching.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595580]Outstanding work Mr Holmes!, because of the Semana mis reporting I had been focused on Danville California and I did go so far as to look up his name in the California inmate database, which confused me even more when his name was not listed. LOL.

That part about the 5 million dollar bribe was over the top, I thought beacuase I had read that he had a 5 million dollar bail bond that maybe possibly he was from some wealthy family that had posted his bond and he ran, so the Colombain reporters were calling it a "payoff" but then I could not find anything in the news about that and surely the journalist who followed his court story would have made a bid deal out of that and I could not find anything.

What you have discovered means that these irresponsiblle media like "Semana" are feeding the greiving family a false narrative. They really are peices of shit. I do not know enough about Colombian media to know if there are reputable news organizations.[/QUOTE]Your own investigations were heading in the right direction. I find that when reading these stories, the thing to do is to look for what should be in the story, but isn't. Whether someone bribed his way out of prison or escaped, this is surely a story where the US media would have been reporting, but they weren't.

There are three main revenue streams for the media: Advertising. Cover price if it is in print. Wire service. With the last of these you can probably presume quite safely that the local paper in Danville IL will have been notified but not having the resources to send a reporter, will have covered the story by using local "stringers". This would have been a big story at least in IL, and with possible undertones of serious corruption, would have been covered by many of the US media. The journo that I emailed was not even aware of the story which tells me that Semana knew the story was fake and never put it on the Wire Service, or tried to sell the story to those who would be obviously interested, starting with the IL Media. It was the failure of the US media to write about this, that got my antenna twitching.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2595584]Fellas,

I will be making my second trip to Cartagena on Sep 2nd, and I'm trying to find a restaurant in Bocagrande that serves grilled lobster.[/QUOTE]No shortage on Google.

[QUOTE=Kmac22;2595602]Yes, I'm a long time lurker but I am not a novice to our hobby. First you need to understand that you are dealing with working girls and the amount you pay has no bearing on the performance you may receive. Second, you are in Cartagena, Colombia and beautiful girls from all over Colombia come to work and make money in Cartagena, there is no shortage of beautiful women and the majority of them will go home at the end of the night without a client. Third, a lot of the time the girls will test you to see if your green or if you really know the game so they will throw out a ridiculous number like 700,000-800,000 to see if you know what your doing.

On my last trip in June I had a chica come over from Tinder she was actually right next door from where I was staying and she saw me before going in and out of my place so she knew where I was. She knocked on my door one of my friends opened it and she was a knockout, as close to a 10 as I've seen. We talked for a little bit, I called her a stalker LOL but when we started negotiations she said her price for TLN was 200 USD. I laughed because I thought she was joking but she insisted that was her price. My friend was telling me to take her and pay it since she was so gorgeous and I'm not hurting for money. I declined and she left. I went back on Tinder and 45 minutes later I had another knockout at my door who was just as good looking and I negotiated 300,00 for TLN. We ordered food, chilled in the pool, smoked, drank, danced and fucked the night away. I gave her a 50,000 tip and sent her on her way. Turns out the $200 girl came back to my spot with someone in my group the next night for 350,000 pesos which was even too much IMO, that extra 50,000 should be a tip if she performs well.

Long story short, they are playing you and yes robbing you blind. You have 78 post and somehow with all the information available to you in this forum you are somehow paying working girls 800,000 in Colombia. No chica in Colombia is worth that much for one night.[/QUOTE]I have seen and read lots of information on this forum about prices and feel I have my head wrapped around that information very well. I recall most post stating they paid up to 250,000 K for ST and others state and list 500-600,000 K Cop for TLN. I don't understand where you are getting I pay 800 K COP, surely nowhere in my post but I did pay one lovely lady 700,000 K COP which is only 2 more of these 50's over the 600 I saw was list IN THIS forum for TLN. Plus, as you can see in my post as I explain I get all 3 holes all night and I have no issues to pay 600,000 K COP. Here is the reason why I don't mind, Been working in Sosua and around the DR for years and I go to Tijuana too much 3 hole cost $175-225 not TLN. Hong Kong Club in Tijuana $100 USD 30 Min. CBJ with 2 position and don't touch the tits. Now I must be in Colombia for work too so I don't pay air fare or apartment out of my pocket just fun with sexy chica my type my cost my expense and like I said they really earn every COP and in the end I win and have a big smile on my face. I think you guys trying to educate new people to the forum and let them know about the price you pay is a great thing. For me, I would not care or give a shit, if you are paying $1 USD not my business I'm going to do me and pay what I want so see no robbery here nor am I green I'm putting big dick in pussy and asses in South American and love it.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595611]I have been going to Cartagena for 12 years and have given at length reports and if you are pying over 250 k COP you are giving to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund. Nobody needs to post any photos of any chicas they paid 300 k for because even that is too much unless you are getting some extras. The most anyone should be paying for TLN is 400/500 k. I personally could give a shit less if you want to pay 600/700 k for TLN but to come on here and argue that you are paying more because other guys are getting ugly chicas does not pass the smell test. You are paying way over scale and coming on here and scolding someone who is paying the price that should be paid.

Anyone who reads the forum thoroughly would no this already, there is a bunch of guys who pay way more than other guys and if you want to give to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund that is fine by me, I don't hate on people that overpay, but do not be down on someone who is not going to overpay, there are chicas that I think are very attractive that you might not think.

Bellow are chicas I paid each 200 k and spent an hour with one, about two hours with a couple of them and one stayed all night. I took all these photos, I didn't pull them off of a social media site. Are they going to wind a miss universe contest, maybe not, but diffent tastes for different people and thy looked as good as anything else in the clubs that night[/QUOTE]Nice collection in the 200 k bargain shop.

Reading through these posts on prices on this forum, I realize that pricing in Colombia is a bit different from TH. There you will often be able to pick up a girl without discussing a price, though if you happen to be a regular in a bar, they will know from the bargirl gossip how much you pay. But if you do decide to broach the subject in advance, girls will often say, "Up to you". I have a theory about this which is basically, these girls are so impoverished, that they don't want to price themselves out of a job and rely on the decency of the customer to do the right thing. I suppose that if like myself, you do your mongering in perhaps a few bars where you are well known to the staff, if you are a cheapo, the word also gets around in those bars, and girls will not give you the "Up to you" a la carte menu.

Conversely, in Colombia it seems that the mentality is, "I (or someone I know) was paid 500 k yesterday. Maybe I should ask for that as a negotiating point, but I will still have my minimum of (say) 150 k which I will not go below. Who knows? He might be stupid? Or I might be lucky? Or he might be a genuinely generous man? Let the negotiations begin". So it strikes me that the attitude in Colombia is that they have little real fear of pricing themselves out of the market, as all initial demands are purely an opening bid. To those who have posted on this subject, I am grateful for that insight you have given me.

Regardless, I do think the tone of the conversation is improper, especially the implication that if you pay "dog prices", a dog is what you will get. Certainly the collection you posted is free from any canine content. I remember being particularly drunk in Pattaya one night, and with my beer goggles on a I ended up with a woman who was aged 42, though she looked about 30. I never asked her age before the pick-up. As the evening wore on and her make up disintegrated, her age was clearly showing. Eventually, it was back to the room and it was the greatest experience I ever had. The experience was a "10". Up until that time, Pattaya was an ego trip for me. Whenever I took a girl out for the evening to Walking Street, I was always looking around to see if anyone had a better looking girl than I had, and very few did. Of course, I learned from that experience how stupid it was to want to bed "9's and 10's" who might give a "6. 5", experience. The real prize was a "10" experience.

Just my opinion, but the real value is not whether the girl is a beauty queen that looks like a female Ferrari, but how well she can take you from 0-100.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2595611]I have been going to Cartagena for 12 years and have given at length reports and if you are pying over 250 k COP you are giving to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund. Nobody needs to post any photos of any chicas they paid 300 k for because even that is too much unless you are getting some extras. The most anyone should be paying for TLN is 400/500 k. I personally could give a shit less if you want to pay 600/700 k for TLN but to come on here and argue that you are paying more because other guys are getting ugly chicas does not pass the smell test. You are paying way over scale and coming on here and scolding someone who is paying the price that should be paid.

Anyone who reads the forum thoroughly would no this already, there is a bunch of guys who pay way more than other guys and if you want to give to the Chica Prepago Charity Trust Fund that is fine by me, I don't hate on people that overpay, but do not be down on someone who is not going to overpay, there are chicas that I think are very attractive that you might not think.

Bellow are chicas I paid each 200 k and spent an hour with one, about two hours with a couple of them and one stayed all night. I took all these photos, I didn't pull them off of a social media site. Are they going to wind a miss universe contest, maybe not, but diffent tastes for different people and thy looked as good as anything else in the clubs that night[/QUOTE]Not scolding no one. He Posted his post talking about over paying after my post so I feel he was address for me, he should have made it plan it was information for newbies and I'm not new or green and I do me. I would not give a shit if you guys was all paying $1 USD none of my business I pay for looks and performance and of course that ass and no ST. Now, the photos are all girls I have fucked the last one is her WhatsApp photo we met through Tony at the beach 600.000 K cop. Hey, that lovely chica in the purple is a winner super nice. PM me her name and contact and yes she will get 6-700,000 K COP from me to. Since you have so much free time to help with everything including the investigation death of a local girl. Understand we crossed a border be careful what you stick you nose in.

I am currently sitting at home in Dublin awaiting my PCR test and if all is clear, I will (again) be trying to make my Migform application again with a view to being in Cartagena by Tuesday evening.

I've been keeping a close eye on the CV figures from Colombia, and yesterday, they fell below 3 k cases for the first time since July of last year. In Ireland yesterday, they reported 2100 cases, which is the highest figure since Jan this year. Ireland still has some of the toughest restrictions on the planet. Since it's peak on June 26th, the rate of daily new infections has fallen 92% in Colombia, while the infection rate in Ireland is per capita about 4. 5 X higher than in Colombia. As far as I am aware, what social safety net there is Colombia, is very limited, while Ireland is rated as one of the best in the world. To give you one example of this, those employees who had to be furloughed from their jobs received 350 per week ($400 USD), though this is about to be cut to 300. During the meantime, Colombia has managed to keep tourism open, though there have been restrictions. Ireland is 73% fully vaxxed. Colombia, 24%. New infections in Colombia have been declining at the rate of 30% a week since the peak of June 26th. With the exception of "new deaths", Colombia is outstripping Ireland favourably on just about every metric.

That leads me to wonder how Colombia has managed to achieve so much success with all it's disadvantages, compared to Ireland with all it's advantages? Any ideas or explanations?

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595758] I pay for looks and performance

Since you have so much free time to help with everything including the investigation death of a local girl. Understand we crossed a border be careful what you stick you nose in.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with Mojo, that your original premise that people were paying less than you was because they were only getting dogs (my interpretation and not what you actually said) does not really seem a valid explanation. But if you are negotiating prices in advance, how do you know what performance you will be getting? Of course if you are taking about "tips" after the fact, I would presume that this would be in the region of say 50-100 k, which still leaves you paying substantially above the typical payment "up front". Don't get me wrong. I don't criticise your generosity, only your reaction to those who might be critical of you. This is an open forum, and you should know that anything you post renders you liable to criticism. Personally, I am delighted to read of anyone who does not think the whole reason for his posting is to show how tough he can be in maximising his return from a girl. Your generosity is admirable, but that only applies if it is generosity as opposed to naivety.

I thought your final two sentences were somewhat strange It looks like there is an implied threat there, and yet earlier, you are asking the poster to PM you with a girl's details. Do you really think that is the way to go about getting people to do you a favour? That is notwithstanding the fact that as I suggested earlier, that any posts that are made here renders the poster liable to criticism.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595741] I don't understand where you are getting I pay 800 K COP[/QUOTE]I think he does not specifically mean you. There is another post before your post mentioned 800 K.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595741]Here is the reason why I don't mind, Been working in Sosua and around the DR for years and I go to Tijuana too much 3 hole cost $175-225 not TLN. Hong Kong Club in Tijuana $100 USD 30 Min. [/QUOTE]This is Colombia and that is why.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595741]Plus, as you can see in my post as I explain I get all 3 holes all night and I have no issues to pay 600,000 K COP. Here is the reason why I don't mind, Been working in Sosua and around the DR for years and I go to Tijuana too much 3 hole cost $175-225 not TLN. Hong Kong Club in Tijuana $100 USD 30 Min. CBJ with 2 position and don't touch the tits.[/QUOTE]And there lies the problem. So had you gone to London and it was $1000 or gone to Thailand or Philippines and it was $30, what would either have to do with Colombia?

I just went online and searched for Kopi Luwak coffee. The website has it as $399 per pound marked down from $449 per pound. In the states you buy this coffee. When you get to Indonesia and someone tries to sell you this coffee for $200 per pound, woo hoooo. You are really happy to be getting a deal. Thing is though, that when I was in Indonesia I bought this Kopi Luwak at the grocery store for literally $5 per pound.

I was putzing around in Bogota with another board member last night. We were about to leave the area when he saw a chick that he wanted to take home. She was with her female pimp. She wanted 500K for all night. I told her bullshit. 200K. So finally I make the deal that she will go back to his place for 100K for 1 hour. Me, him, her, and the pimp all got into a taxi and went to his place. Me and the pimp stayed outside then I left and went to my hotel. He hit me a few minutes ago saying the girl just left and he gave her 200K. So she ended up staying all night for way less than that 500K bullshit they first tried to pull.

I checked into the Dann Hotel with a Chica forty years my junior on Friday afternoon. At the same time while checking in there appeared to be a Mother and son, a very young guy maybe 23 with a woman at least 20 years older who weren't Colombians, but I think from Spain as they spoke Spanish, who checked in to the Hotel with Passports.

Over the last two days I realized this was not a mother and son on vacation, but a woman monger as they where one happy couple frolicking around the pool. It was quite obvious that I was a monger with a young thing in tow, but this was a little more subtle.

I don't have much experience in Cartagena, so perhaps women mongers are more common here. The only other time I have seen other women mongers is in the DR.

Makes me wonder if there is an ISG for women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595799]

I just went online and searched for Kopi Luwak coffee. The website has it as $399 per pound marked down from $449 per pound. In the states you buy this coffee. When you get to Indonesia and someone tries to sell you this coffee for $200 per pound, woo hoooo. You are really happy to be getting a deal. Thing is though, that when I was in Indonesia I bought this Kopi Luwak at the grocery store for literally $5 per pound.
.[/QUOTE]Some dudes are going to pay what they want to pay regardless as long as they can afford it. IMO Getting a deal is not the priority. Their main concern is getting who they want and how they want them. My friend is like that here in Cali. Instead of paying 80,000 pesos (30 minutos) for a chica in house; he rather pay 450,000 pesos to take her back to his room for TLN. After explaining to him in dollars the price difference; I saw it didn't matter. I was like cool do what you want you can afford it. If both parties feel that it's a even swap there is no swindle.

It's a big difference if a man does not know the current market value for the product he's buying. That's when the bullshit kicks in and the criticism is warrant. Your man was Lucky you were there to make sure he didnt get gringo taxed. Even though if he would have paid the asking price it wouldnt have broke his bank.

Recently I wanted to buy a Lexus SUV. The average price locally was about $22,000 for the car I wanted to purchase. My max was $25000. I noticed in Atlanta they were more selections and the average price was $16,000. There are some guys That will be content to spend $22,000 because they are within in their budget. Then there are People like me who will take the 2 hour fly time to Atlanta for $200 and get a deal on the model they wanted for $15,500.

Needless to say some people concentrate on looks and others are more interested in was underneath the hood. In this game the valance can fluctuate depending on the timing, chica, budget, and individual perspective.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2595710]Cartagena is more expensive than Bogota and for a good reason. Beautiful, world class historic city on a beach (shitty beach, yes, but still). It feels like a resort. Does Bogota feel like a resort? I actually like Bogota, but I believe I'm in minority.

And 60 K you paid. Was it for 20 or 30 minutes? Not for a full hour, anyway.[/QUOTE]30 minutes.

I like Bogota better than Cartagena. Cartagena is too much of a tourist trap type of place with people harassing you to buy some stupid bracelets every time you walk down the street. Or giving you a tour that you never asked for and then asking for money.

In Bogota, you can just relax and blend in.

Because lockdowns don't do anything except the way they inevitable?

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595761]I am currently sitting at home in Dublin awaiting my PCR test and if all is clear, I will (again) be trying to make my Migform application again with a view to being in Cartagena by Tuesday evening.

I've been keeping a close eye on the CV figures from Colombia, and yesterday, they fell below 3 k cases for the first time since July of last year. In Ireland yesterday, they reported 2100 cases, which is the highest figure since Jan this year. Ireland still has some of the toughest restrictions on the planet. Since it's peak on June 26th, the rate of daily new infections has fallen 92% in Colombia, while the infection rate in Ireland is per capita about 4. 5 X higher than in Colombia. As far as I am aware, what social safety net there is Colombia, is very limited, while Ireland is rated as one of the best in the world. To give you one example of this, those employees who had to be furloughed from their jobs received 350 per week ($400 USD), though this is about to be cut to 300. During the meantime, Colombia has managed to keep tourism open, though there have been restrictions. Ireland is 73% fully vaxxed. Colombia, 24%. New infections in Colombia have been declining at the rate of 30% a week since the peak of June 26th. With the exception of "new deaths", Colombia is outstripping Ireland favourably on just about every metric.

That leads me to wonder how Colombia has managed to achieve so much success with all it's disadvantages, compared to Ireland with all it's advantages? Any ideas or explanations?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595758]Not scolding no one. He Posted his post talking about over paying after my post so I feel he was address for me, he should have made it plan it was information for newbies and I'm not new or green and I do me. I would not give a shit if you guys was all paying $1 USD none of my business I pay for looks and performance and of course that ass and no ST. Now, the photos are all girls I have fucked the last one is her WhatsApp photo we met through Tony at the beach 600.000 K cop. Hey, that lovely chica in the purple is a winner super nice. PM me her name and contact and yes she will get 6-700,000 K COP from me to. Since you have so much free time to help with everything including the investigation death of a local girl. Understand we crossed a border be careful what you stick you nose in.[/QUOTE]Just got my PCR result, and went with my Plan be and got my Airbnb host to reapply for the MIGFORM. Within half hour I got my reply from Colombia and I will arrive in just over 48 hours from now on my virgin trip.

So I am now looking forward to warm weather, hot women and cold beer. The only thing that is missing to make it the perfect trip is a little bit of info regarding Sports Bars where I can watch the English Premier League, and Bars with live music, particularly pre-80's stuff. All suggestions will be appreciated.

Just got my PCR result, and went with my Plan be and got my Airbnb host to reapply for the MIGFORM. Within half hour I got my reply from Colombia and I will arrive in just over 48 hours from now on my virgin trip.

So I am now looking forward to warm weather, hot women and cold beer. The only thing that is missing to make it the perfect trip is a little bit of info regarding Sports Bars where I can watch the English Premier League, and Bars with live music, particularly pre-80's stuff. All suggestions will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2595845]30 minutes.

I like Bogota better than Cartagena. Cartagena is too much of a tourist trap type of place with people harassing you to buy some stupid bracelets every time you walk down the street. Or giving you a tour that you never asked for and then asking for money.

In Bogota, you can just relax and blend in.[/QUOTE]Well, touts and the heat are two plagues of Cartagena, I'll give you that.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2595618]Arrived Friday night to meet up with one of my Chicas I'm staying with at Dann Hotel.

Nice place, and after dinner on Saturday around 9 PM I took a stroll around the neighborhood in Laguito by myself and there were walkers out.

A few of them quoted 200 K with no specifics, but I know it could be a lot less than this as they were not beauty queens.[/QUOTE]I like the scene in Laguito. The chicas I met there were laided back. One even said if you don't want me, maybe you want one of my friends who lives nearby and she proceeds to show us her rodex on her phone.

Surfer500, I just sent you a PM.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2595827]I don't have much experience in Cartagena, so perhaps women mongers are more common here. The only other time I have seen other women mongers is in the DR. Makes me wonder if there is an ISG for women.[/QUOTE]Ghana, Indonesia, Jamaica, and the list goes on. Women like to fuck the same as men do.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595761]I am currently sitting at home in Dublin awaiting my PCR test and if all is clear, I will (again) be trying to make my Migform application.
That leads me to wonder how Colombia has managed to achieve so much success with all it's disadvantages, compared to Ireland with all it's advantages? Any ideas or explanations?[/QUOTE]You know that negv tests are not required for Colombia?

As someone else said, it seems that lockdowns do not do much apart from buy time. They don't get you closer to the end goal, which is to have a resitant population.

I think just about everyone in Colombia has the antibodies by now (exageration, but a big chunk). They have 3 separate waves without vaxes. A large proportion of the vulnerable people are dead, either from the virus, or dead before the virus arrived. Countries such as Vietnam, NZ, Aus, Norway etc. They closed down the borders completely and lived in their caves for a year. But now they are vulnerable with a population that has no resistance. They need to vaccine rolled out pronto, but even then, the virus can pass thru vaxd people. It is here to stay.

Another point to bear in mind is that people in most rich countries have the good fortune to have their life prolonged by medical treatments. These people would be dead in poor countries. But these people are alive but in poor health. They are the mass majority of the victims of covid.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2595843]Recently I wanted to buy a Lexus SUV. The average price locally was about $22,000 for the car I wanted to purchase. My max was $25000. I noticed in Atlanta they were more selections and the average price was $16,000. There are some guys That will be content to spend $22,000 because they are within in their budget. Then there are People like me who will take the 2 hour fly time to Atlanta for $200 and get a deal on the model they wanted for $15,500.[/QUOTE]What do you do when you have problems with the car? A lot of people will fly to Colombia for plastic surgery or dental work in Mexico because it is cheaper. But what do you do with the cheap dentures that do not fit well? No dentist in your town will want to adjust something made cheaply in Mexico. Sometimes its best to buy locally. Women are the same. Of course we all know of the benefits of global thinking and travel.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2595530]Lo and behold I happen to look at his shirt and it says (Paradise Lyfe) and that's when it all clicked and I realized that Sosua travel group is here and we need to make moves now. [/QUOTE]Oh I just read about that thing a few days ago. Turns out they in Cartagena for this weekend and they had a flyer for Delirium meetup on Friday night!! I hope they're not there when I go in a month.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595730]No shortage on Google.[/QUOTE]Would've been easier for you to not respond at all.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2595979]What do you do when you have problems with the car? A lot of people will fly to Colombia for plastic surgery or dental work in Mexico because it is cheaper. But what do you do with the cheap dentures that do not fit well? No dentist in your town will want to adjust something made cheaply in Mexico. Sometimes its best to buy locally. Women are the same. Of course we all know of the benefits of global thinking and travel.[/QUOTE]I respect your point you may however; Buying the same car for a cheaper price issues not the same as buying cheaper service and product for a cheaper price.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2595618]Arrived Friday night to meet up with one of my Chicas I'm staying with at Dann Hotel.

Nice place, and after dinner on Saturday around 9 PM I took a stroll around the neighborhood in Laguito by myself and there were walkers out.

A few of them quoted 200 K with no specifics, but I know it could be a lot less than this as they were not beauty queens.[/QUOTE]If you do not want to answer this on the thread I understand and if you know the answer and do not want to post it then a PM would be appreciated, it is something would be a nice backup plan if my usual arrangements were booked up. I read on two occasions that the Dan Carlton is at some level chica friendly. Can you get the straight dope while you are there, I know you said you brought your own chica so it would not affect you. It seems like this would have been widely known if it was true. Back a few years ago when La Dolce Vita was in that little shopping center right across the street from the Dan Carlton that would have been a mongers paradise- Playa Hollywood on one side and La Dolce Vita right outside on the other. I think that it would have been wider known then if it was in anyway chica friendly. What I mean by "at some level" is that there are some places where chicas can come in during the day but not at night, some places will allow a chica if you pay a fee, etc.

I pulled a chica off that very street in your photo last trip (further down nearer to the Hilton), she was a 7, very average, and in texting her she settled for 125 k but I sort of tricked her. I had seen her when I was on my way to meet another chica in the Old City and she seemed kind of desperate, so I took her number, then later when I texted her I told her I paid 150 but I only did citas with chicas that did anal, I knew she would back out of doing anal wen she arrived, so I had her settke for 125 k. Back in the day there was a whole pack of chicas that lived in Edificio Atlantis and I used to get them for 100 k but again they were nothing to post photos about. Last trip also there was a pack of Vennies that hung out on the sidewalkin the area betweenTorre Marina and Mirador del Lagutio which is on that same side of the street but further down around the corner about 5 buildings before the Hilton. There were guys hanging out talking to them everytime I saw them and I might not have even known they were working except the chica from Manga that I hooked up with told me.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2595979]What do you do when you have problems with the car? A lot of people will fly to Colombia for plastic surgery or dental work in Mexico because it is cheaper. But what do you do with the cheap dentures that do not fit well? No dentist in your town will want to adjust something made cheaply in Mexico. Sometimes its best to buy locally. Women are the same. Of course we all know of the benefits of global thinking and travel.[/QUOTE]Then you are pretty much fucked. Learned that the hard way recently. Chick I used to mess with in Barranquilla is a dentist. She did my braces for $800 at the end of June. When I got back to the States one of the brackets had come off. I went to an orthodontist and he would not touch them. He said they do not touch other people's work. He did seem surprised that they were speed braces. I don't know shit about braces. I really just got them so she could make money during bad times. When I got to the car I looked it up and speed braces are like the most expensive kind and they self-adjust. A friend said she paid $9,000 for her daughter's braces in the States. In comparison the $800 I paid was a really good deal, but does not mean shit if you have no way to get the adjustment or repair.

So I was on my way to Dominican Republic and had one of my chicks make an appointment in Santo Domingo to get now 2 brackets cemented back on. Went up there for the appointment and same deal: we don't touch other people's work. MF she told you it was other people's work when she made the appointment. So she called her friend who is a dentist in her small town and I drove 3 hours there and he charged me $35 to cement them back on.

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2595982]Oh I just read about that thing a few days ago. Turns out they in Cartagena for this weekend and they had a flyer for Delirium meetup on Friday night!! I hope they're not there when I go in a month.[/QUOTE]Too late. They already "fixed" the prices for you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595972]Ghana, Indonesia, Jamaica, and the list goes on. Women like to fuck the same as men do.[/QUOTE]I was told while I was in Thailand some of the working girls in Thailand take their earnings they make off the farang and give it members of this little subculture of "pretty boys" in the same way as if they were gigalos. These are the guys are not gay and are not ladyboys but they may wear some makeup and some work as models or presenters at the malls etc, These aren't even older women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596011]Too late. They already "fixed" the prices for you.[/QUOTE]LOL. What they do / did won't affect how I move. Hope they didn't mess things up too bad for others though.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2595748]Nice collection in the 200 k bargain shop.

, "Up to you". I have a theory about this which is basically, these girls are so impoverished, that they don't want to price themselves out of a job and rely on the decency of the customer to do the right thing. I.[/QUOTE]I have no doubts that what you say about them being impoverished is true, I literally had a girl I picked up at soi cowboy bacarra pass out in my hotel room. She had said was Hungary and had not eaten in two days. I offered to feed her before we even went up to the room, but she said no she would grabs something from the convienience store (I was offering to feed her a a dinner in the hotel restaurant and she was so used to pinching pennies she preferred some crappy 7-Eleven food. I was staying in a decen hotel with a great restaurant, it was the Majestic Grande back then and later became a Double Tree). Anyway after she passed out from low blood sugar at first I was sweating it because I was not sure that is why she passed out but then she kind if came to and said this happens sometimes when she does not eat for a while. I ordered french fries from room service and a smoothie so she could have enough sugar in her blood to make through our session and get to the 7-Eleven. Another girl I hooked up with in Patong Beach (gorgous best endowed in the chest Thai girl you ever saw) and she said she was hungry and this time I just said "we are going to eat first" took her to an all night breakfast joint at the end of Bangla near the mall and she ate a lot of food, which was fine with me becuase our session turned into an all nighter and she needed the energy.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2595758]Since you have so much free time to help with everything including the investigation death of a local girl. Understand we crossed a border be careful what you stick you nose in.[/QUOTE]Why is it exactly that I need to be carelful?

These American sex tours will be the end of the scene in Colombia. Its offensive to the local eyes.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2596020]I was told while I was in Thailand some of the working girls in Thailand take their earnings they make off the farang and give it members of this little subculture of "pretty boys" in the same way as if they were gigalos. These are the guys are not gay and are not ladyboys but they may wear some makeup and some work as models or presenters at the malls etc, These aren't even older women.[/QUOTE]This is true, there was one on Soi Lengkee if I remember correctly and more on third road.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2596002]If you do not want to answer this on the thread I understand and if you know the answer and do not want to post it then a PM would be appreciated, it is something would be a nice backup plan if my usual arrangements were booked up. I read on two occasions that the Dan Carlton is at some level chica friendly. Can you get the straight dope while you are there, I know you said you brought your own chica so it would not affect you. e.[/QUOTE]I don't know if the Dann Hotel is chica friendly. I didn't see any other mongers coming in and out with girls but may have missed them. What I do know is that have quite a staff at the entrance to the place, so no way to really sneak anyone in. Most of the clientele seem to be tourists, versus single older farts staying there. The Hotel may have a joiner fee for bringing girls in, maybe they don't. I'm sorry I don't know and another poster sent me a PM asking the same question. I did find a hotel for a friend though who came down with me named Habitaciones con vista al Mar on [URL]booking.com[/URL] which had an ocean view room for thirty five dollars a night directly across the street from the attached photo. I helped him check in. They didn't even want to see his Passport, and after dark no staff, no nobody, so perfect bringing girls in and out, yet not having security might be problematic.

As far as the girls working the streets in the Lagito area, total bullshit. Lots of ugly sharks asking 300 K, my friend took one for 150 K and no blow job, and lots of rules.

Cartagena is not a mongering friendly place in my opinion. Way overpriced than the rest of the Country. For me I was holed up with a Nympho, eating seafood dinners, body surfing, and hanging by the pool. For a guy looking just to do some hardcore mongering, I don't recommend Cartagena. But for some guys, depending on how they roll, it might perfect.

I have heard that women mongerers, especially from Europe, go to various locales in Africa. I knew an older American women, who was in her late sixties at the time, who journeyed to Africa for that very purpose and had a "high" success rate. She was an attractive woman in her prime but by that age, gravity prevailed. It also surreptitiously done in a lot of third world countries in Latin America but doubt there is sufficient volume for a site such as this to survive. Correct me if I am wrong as that would be a humorous site to read.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595972]Ghana, Indonesia, Jamaica, and the list goes on. Women like to fuck the same as men do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2596209]Cartagena is not a mongering friendly place in my opinion. Way overpriced than the rest of the Country. [/QUOTE]Exactly why I never returned for mongering after the first time. Surprising that Cartagena is even way more expensive than San Andres (from a tourist aspect.).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2596209]I don't know if the Dann Hotel is chica friendly. I didn't see any other mongers coming in and out with girls but may have missed them. What I do know is that have quite a staff at the entrance to the place, so no way to really sneak anyone in. Most of the clientele seem to be tourists, versus single older farts staying there. The Hotel may have a joiner fee for bringing girls in, maybe they don't. I'm sorry I don't know and another poster sent me a PM asking the same question. I did find a hotel for a friend though who came down with me named Habitaciones con vista al Mar on [URL]booking.com[/URL] which had an ocean view room for thirty five dollars a night directly across the street from the attached photo. I helped him check in. They didn't even want to see his Passport, and after dark no staff, no nobody, so perfect bringing girls in and out, yet not having security might be problematic.

As far as the girls working the streets in the Lagito area, total bullshit. Lots of ugly sharks asking 300 K, my friend took one for 150 K and no blow job, and lots of rules.

Cartagena is not a mongering friendly place in my opinion. Way overpriced than the rest of the Country. For me I was holed up with a Nympho, eating seafood dinners, body surfing, and hanging by the pool. For a guy looking just to do some hardcore mongering, I don't recommend Cartagena. But for some guys, depending on how they roll, it might perfect.[/QUOTE]CTG is a great destination for guys like me who want to monger and have a regular type tourist vacation. Especially if you like a warm ocean to have fun in and a historic city to tour with good restaurants and night life. And don't give a shit about paying an extra $30 to fuck hot sexy girls. The beach in CTG does suck but its a beach with warm water and I swam in it every day. You can drive or take boats to really nice world class beaches too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595972]Ghana, Indonesia, Jamaica, and the list goes on. Women like to fuck the same as men do.[/QUOTE]I was in Sihanoukville, Cam in one hotel I stayed in there was a quite attractive Swiss woman, who would come down to breakfast every morning with two completely different Khmers. I was in the hotel for 5 days, so her score was at least 10 men in that time. Also in Snooky, I saw an Aussie couple picking up bargirls, and a few days later bumped into them in Phnom Penh, with a girl I had seen them with in Snooky.

The Gambia is also well known for women mongers. I saw a TV doc about some of these and recall a Welsh woman in her late 40's who married a Gambian aged about 25. She was terrified to tell him that he she'd had a hysterectomy so she couldn't have kids. I remember thinking, "Once he get's his 'leave to remain' stamp in his passport (you have to be married a year to a UK national to get it), I don't think he will wait around to ask why he isn't yet a daddy".

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[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2596031]I have no doubts that what you say about them being impoverished is true, I literally had a girl I picked up at soi cowboy bacarra pass out in my hotel room. She had said was Hungary and had not eaten in two days. I offered to feed her before we even went up to the room, but she said no she would grabs something from the convienience store (I was offering to feed her a a dinner in the hotel restaurant and she was so used to pinching pennies she preferred some crappy 7-Eleven food. I was staying in a decen hotel with a great restaurant, it was the Majestic Grande back then and later became a Double Tree). Anyway after she passed out from low blood sugar at first I was sweating it because I was not sure that is why she passed out but then she kind if came to and said this happens sometimes when she does not eat for a while. I ordered french fries from room service and a smoothie so she could have enough sugar in her blood to make through our session and get to the 7-Eleven. Another girl I hooked up with in Patong Beach (gorgous best endowed in the chest Thai girl you ever saw) and she said she was hungry and this time I just said "we are going to eat first" took her to an all night breakfast joint at the end of Bangla near the mall and she ate a lot of food, which was fine with me becuase our session turned into an all nighter and she needed the energy.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if your actions were purely altruistic, but I admire your humanity.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2596057]These American sex tours will be the end of the scene in Colombia. Its offensive to the local eyes.[/QUOTE]What exactly are you referring to bro?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2596300]You can drive or take boats to really nice world class beaches too.[/QUOTE]Never had a good experience with either. When I got to the island of Baru I was mobbed by vendors who knew well what times the boats would arrive, worse than in Laguito. When I took the launch, fast boat, to the island immediately off Laguito I was offered a fish meal and charged 10 X what it should have cost, and then they would not take me off the island unless I paid, embarrassing to be there with a girlfriend from MDE and she just stood by and let them charge me ten times. Girl was bad news too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2595799]And there lies the problem. So had you gone to London and it was $1000 or gone to Thailand or Philippines and it was $30, what would either have to do with Colombia?

I just went online and searched for Kopi Luwak coffee. The website has it as $399 per pound marked down from $449 per pound. In the states you buy this coffee. When you get to Indonesia and someone tries to sell you this coffee for $200 per pound, woo hoooo. You are really happy to be getting a deal. Thing is though, that when I was in Indonesia I bought this Kopi Luwak at the grocery store for literally $5 per pound.[/QUOTE]Same. I did the poop coffee tour in Bali. I didn't buy it from there as it was overly priced, but bought some at the Denpasar airport store for super cheap. Coffee is meh.

[QUOTE=BrotherP;2596381]What exactly are you referring to bro?[/QUOTE]Big organized groups going there to monger. Yeah it is legal, but it is not something to be reveled and all out in the open. You see how it turned out for Cuba Dave. Keep quiet and do your business in the shadows.

So on Friday when everything clicked and I realize we need to plan accordingly to put as much distance between us and the Sosua mongers so we don't get into any bullshit of girls trying to over charge us because other guys are willing to pay double. While were back in the apartment with the chicas I say "we need distance, time for the boat to get away from the nonsense for a day. " I call my guy, he sends pictures of the boats, 3 boats available, $350, $600, and $1200. Cool, I show my boy since its his first trip to CTG, ill let him pick the boat. He goes for the $1200 boat, again, trying to explain to him, that's a boat that seats 20+ people, beds, air conditioning, and bathrooms. We don't need all of that, because its only 3 guys and 3 girls and if we pay in pesos it will be about 500 mil split 3 ways if we take the smaller boat. He insists on the $1200 boat, so I say "fine, we over here are fine with the $350 boat, if you want the $1200 boat we will give you $200 each to be generous and you can pay the difference. " Now he kind of understand and lowers to the $600 boat. My boy and I look at each other and say fuck it its only $200 each no big deal. I confirm with my guy and tell him we need the boat Saturday as early as possible so we can get to the islands early and have maximum time on the water he says 8 am is the best he can do and the boat will meet us at the Clock Tower port, I say "no, I want to take the boat from the marina in Manga because less vendors and less annoyance" he says he can only do the Clock tower. Ok, cool. Deals done.

I text one of chicas and ask her if she wants to go but she have to sleep over tonight, she's cool with it she only ask that I pay for her round trip taxi which was 40 mil. Cool. My other boy text a chica she wants 300 mil for the day 1 polvo, hes cool with it. Now comes the newbie, the chicas he's texting are telling him 800 mil for the day, 1 polvo. So I ask him "how the fuck are they charging you so much and they know you?" he responds back with "These are new girls that he was just getting numbers from to get with later" Another hard facepalm! I explain to him that he needs to get girls who hes been with before as if they like you they will be with you for a lower price or even free rather than overcharge you and just tolerate you all day on the boat. He gets it, sort of, and text back the chicas he was with earlier in the week, one of them agrees to 300 mil for the day with oral only, he agrees (I didn't want to tell him she only want to do oral only because she wants to keep it tight and undamaged so she can work immediately after we get back). We have the current chicas leave and start getting our things together while we wait for the boat chicas to show up to which they show up almost 2 am. Cool, they take their chicas back to their room to do whatever, my chica stays in the living room with me to play a drinking game for some time.

-Saturday.

I wake up at 6 am. Knock on everyone door trying to get everyone up and out the door because we also need to buy beers, ice, and snacks for the boat. Everyone gets up, an hour passes my boy and I are in the living room with our chicas ready to go, Titos on deck. The newbie is still in his room with his chica, I go in there to get him but his chica starts walking toward the door so I'm thinking hes behind her so I turn around back to the living room. Its now 7:30 am hes still in his room, so I yell out "Everyone already gave me the $200 to pay the guy, we on the boat with or without you, we need to go now!" he comes out his room diamond earrings in his ears, hair all done, , designer shirt, fancy pants, smelling like he took a bath in cologne and Yeezys. My friend and I look at each other in confusion as we are in plain white Tee's, with swimming trunks under our cargo shorts, and wearing water shoes. He then says "I can't with this man, hes extra, extra. " Fuck it, I don't have time to explain it to him, we out.

We get out there, start shopping for ice, beers, snacks and cups. My guy says he will meet me in the store because he does not want me pulling out that much money at the dock as the vendors are will hound us. Fine he gets to the store, I pay him and he helps with the bags to the dock. The boats already there, the newbies eyes lights up like a kid on Christmas. I pay the dock tax which was confusing as hell because some random guy came up to me and said I need to pay an additional 57,000 COP the gave me this long piece of paper but then I realize it was 9500 per passenger on the boat. Ok cool. Here's 60 mil keep the change, I don't have time and don't want coins in my pocket. I turn around and the hat guy is trying to sell the newbie a hat, he pulls out his money, then bam! They all surround him, they trying to sell him sunglasses, the water proof neck strap thing, etc. He insists he wants the hat and pays 80 mil for it. I start laughing because his hat cost more than the dock tax. Ok everyone is one the boat and were off just a little after 8 am.

Suddenly I realize the boat isn't going the right direction, and we are pulling into the same marina I wanted to leave from. I ask what's up, they have to gas up the boat. The newbie starts asking tons of random questions about why they gassing up the boat on our time and the boat should have been fully ready before coming to get us. I explain to him (things are different down here, they are not going to pay for a full tank of gas on a promise that gringos will show up with the money to pay for the boat. So they only buy a little gas out of pocket then once they receive payment for the boat they gas up the boat for our use.) he gets it. Fuels done, were off, he put on his hat and starts taking selfies, boat hits full throttle and whoosh, there goes his 80 mil up in the air and in the water. My other boy just shakes his head. We finally get to the first island where everyone snorkels and plenty of boats are already there, everyone is staring at our boat pulling in. Newbie is loving all the eyes watching him. Hes taking selfies, videos, trying to post live updates. I pull him aside and tell him "Look around you, every fucking boat here is smaller than ours and have 3 times as much people, they probably thinking we are stupid for having this big ass boat with no one on it. " Hes starts to understand a little, I think hes getting it now. We all jump into the water to swim except the newbie, hes still up there on the boat taking selfies and posting online. I swim around and tell him "don't bother, you're Verizon, and you're roaming, put your phone in airplane mode and do that later when we are back in Centro or your battery will be finished before we get to Cholon. " he doesn't get it and keeps at it, didn't even get off the boat. Crack open the Titos start the fun! We make it to Cholon, I tell the boat crew we will get off in the water and walk to shore because I didn't want to spend more pesos by using the "free ladder" and they do so except for the newbie, he have the boat crew go up to the shore and uses the "free ladder". My boy looks at me and says "now we know whose going to pay for the ladder for all 6 of us to use when we leave" and starts laughing. Its the newbies first time so we let him pick where to eat, in the water or on the beach, he picks water. Ok cool. Everyone orders 2 items of food and about 2 drinks each. Were eating in the water and food dropping in the water below us, here comes the fish and surely enough his swimming trunks does not have netting inside so they are swimming up his pants so he starts paying more attention to keeping fish out his pants than taking selfies of the food. Ok cool, free entrainment for the rest of us at the table. Bill comes, newbie has to pay the total bill (one person usually pays, split the bill equally and everyone reimburses that person in USD when we are back in the apartment) newbie wants to know why are there 14 food orders on the bill when we only ordered 2 things each. I tell him "don't worry, just pay it, the other 2 orders was for the boat crew, we have feed them, its customary. They are also watching all our shit on the boat to make sure no ne takes it" Ok cool he gets it, he goes to pay by tapping his phone but his battery is dead (guess who didn't put their phone in airplane mode). Now he has to go back to the boat to get his card using the "free ladder" jajaja. He gets the card and swipe not realizing when you use your card on the island they charge a 20% surcharge even though they showed him on a calculator what the total would be. A warning to the swipe happy newbies out there, if you want to avoid that fee, bring lots of pesos because things add up quickly and yes you also have to pay to use the bathroom there.

Foods done, time to leave, everyone goes to use the *free ladder* because we might as well at this point. I tell newbie to give them 15 mil for the ladder. He doesn't get it. I explain to him although the ladder is free they work on tips and since he used the ladder 4 times its only fair to give them 2 mil per use plus a little extra besides its only $4 equivalent. He gets it. Time for water activities, New guy wants to Jetski, I warn him, they are cash only unless you want that 20% surcharge again. He gets it, pulls out a wad of pesos and our boat crew whistles the jet ski guys over. I see where this is going so I negotiate a fair price for 1 hour, they agree, he hops on with his chica and they are off! The rest of us just chill on the boat playing drinking games blasting music and partying. And hour passes, he's no where to be found, another 30 minutes goes by and he comes back. What happened? The jetski stopped working. I ask him "How did you fix it" he responds "he didn't, the banana boat guys saw him stranded and started it back up for him but he had to pay them 50 mil" and starts laughing like its funny. Ok cool, hes cool with it but I'm not. Jetski guys wants more money because he went over the hour. I tell jetski guys "No, your shit stopped working, leaving my guy stranded and he had to pay 50 mil to get it working again. So you will get paid for the agreed the hour minus the 50 mil he had to pay (all this is happening using the translator app). A little back and forth while my other friend who is Panamanian but looks black is fluent in Spanish and is sitting there playing gringo like he doesn't understand and finally out came his Spanish to shut the whole shit down, agreed price minus the 50 mil then he tells them to get the fuck off the boat. Even the chicas that was on the boat with us all day didn't know he spoke Spanish because he was using the translator app with them as well and they went from talking amongst each other constantly to real quiet for the rest of the trip. (he plays gringo to know whos genuine and whose taking advantage, cab drivers especially will talk shit in front of you with your chica while you're in the cab).

Time to head home. The newbie wants to sit on the front of the boat. Ok cool, his funereal. We get to open water and the boat starts bouncing on the waves throwing him in the air like popcorn seeds in a hot frying pan. All the chcias are laughing, and my boy and I just shaking our heads laughing. We get back to the dock, I tip the boat crew 50 mil and we jump in 2 cabs back to the apartment. Let the girls shower off then send them on their way. We have a few hours to rest up and head back out so new guy can charge his phone. Time passed, I give 2 options, we can text girls to come over or take a walk and see what we get. New guy wants to go to Dolce, ok cool. We start walking over and the newbie see a nice brown skin girl with blue eyes, short white shirt and thigh high black leather boots. He runs over to talk to her, and that when I noticed who she is but she don't recognize me. I pull my boy away and explain to him, "This is Isabell, she will charge the fuck out of you for some wack pussy, I've seen her naked and you don't want what under those clothes, I've never touched her but its your pockets" he gets the number and start negotiating, and of course she starts off at $500 USD. We move on to Dolce and of course the prices are starting at 800 mil and we have to haggle. Just then a chica that I've known for a while comes over and warns me to be careful and not have allot of chicas over as there was an incident where some gringos took chicas from Dolce back to the apartment and some of the girls waited until everyone was sleeping and took the gringos money, their watches, and money out of the other working girls purses. I asked her how the hell she knew all this, she said the gringos came back to Dolce to complain so they banded the girls from the club. (I don't know if it was a scare tactic or not) but good to know, I ask her to show her friends to my friends, my friends liked what they saw and we all agreed 400 mil for the night. On our way out one of the girls wanted KFC, passed by and if it didn't have Colonel Sanders standing by the door I would have sworn it was another club. PACKED!! No room to move anywhere, who knew KFC was that good in CTG? We skip it and back to the apartment for for fun into Sunday morning.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2595685]The absolute most I've ever been quoted in Delirium or Dulce was 350 mil or whatever the equivalent of $100 is. I've been to Cartagena 7 times since 2019 last trip being in June and and upcoming trip scheduled for Nov. Is this the new price we should expecting?[/QUOTE]Mongers are coming in over paying and the girls egos get inflated thinking that every monger should pay that price. As my main dolce chica says, "every girl in Dolce is 800 mil, but as the night goes on and no one is taking watch the price drops drastically".

For instance there is this one girl I saw every night, skinny as a toothpick but have the biggest fake tits and biggest fake ass I've even seen. She look absolutely ridiculous to me and I would never take her ever, but surely enough every night she's walking back with a guy on her arm. What ever her asking price is, someone is paying for it every night.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2596444]So on Friday when everything clicked and I realize we need to plan accordingly to put as much distance between us and the Sosua mongers so we don't get into any bullshit of girls trying to over charge us because other guys are willing to pay double. [/QUOTE]Man that report was fucking funny. But it is really going to suck when someone copies the entire thing just to say good report.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596419]Big organized groups going there to monger. Yeah it is legal, but it is not something to be reveled and all out in the open. You see how it turned out for Cuba Dave. Keep quiet and do your business in the shadows.[/QUOTE]I just saw a post on a group I'm part of, of somebody throwing dollars out their hotel window to the crowd down below in El Centro a couple of nights ago. The minute I saw the video, I pieced together who was throwing the money: The same cats Nypher mentioned that were from Sosua that were in Cartagena for the weekend. They do the same dumb shit in the clubs in Sosua.

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2596480]I just saw a post on a group I'm part of, of somebody throwing dollars out their hotel window to the crowd down below in El Centro a couple of nights ago. The minute I saw the video, I pieced together who was throwing the money: The same cats Nypher mentioned that were from Sosua that were in Cartagena for the weekend. They do the same dumb shit in the clubs in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Interesting, you say there's a video of somebody throwing dollars out of a Hotel window in El Centro a few nights ago.

Could you post a link to that video.

Throwing out coins versus bills would actually cause much more of a commotion, I say that because they would cover a lot more distance if thrown, would roll all over the place, and everybody would be going nuts chasing after the coins, especially in El Centro as there are tons of people begging for coins.

Yes, but sex tourism is technically illegal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596419]Big organized groups going there to monger. Yeah it is legal, but it is not something to be reveled and all out in the open. You see how it turned out for Cuba Dave. Keep quiet and do your business in the shadows.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2596394]Same. I did the poop coffee tour in Bali. I didn't buy it from there as it was overly priced, but bought some at the Denpasar airport store for super cheap. Coffee is meh.[/QUOTE]I also tried it at one of those hippy / eco coffee houses in Bali. Don't remember what I paid but it was too much for that shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2596419]Big organized groups going there to monger. Yeah it is legal, but it is not something to be reveled and all out in the open. You see how it turned out for Cuba Dave. Keep quiet and do your business in the shadows.[/QUOTE]Exactly bruh! This lifestyle is supposed to be quiet and discreet.

Cartagena as always is Cartagena. Had a great time. Probably saw some of you at the clock tower and had no idea. Have fun boys. I'll be back.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2596444]So on Friday when everything clicked and I realize we need to plan accordingly to put as much distance between us and the Sosua mongers so we don't get into any bullshit of girls trying to over charge us because other guys are willing to pay double. While were back in the apartment with the chicas I say "we need distance, time for the boat to get away from the nonsense for a day. " I call my guy, he sends pictures of the boats, 3 boats available, $350, $600, and $1200. Cool, I show my boy since its his first trip to CTG, ill let him pick the boat. He goes for the $1200 boat, again, trying to explain to him, that's a boat that seats 20+ people, beds, air conditioning, and bathrooms. We don't need all of that, because its only 3 guys and 3 girls and if we pay in pesos it will be about 500 mil split 3 ways if we take the smaller boat. He insists on the $1200 boat, so I say "fine, we over here are fine with the $350 boat, if you want the $1200 boat we will give you $200 each to be generous and you can pay the difference. " Now he kind of understand and lowers to the $600 boat. My boy and I look at each other and say fuck it its only $200 each no big deal. I confirm with my guy and tell him we need the boat Saturday as early as possible so we can get to the islands early and have maximum time on the water he says 8 am is the best he can do and the boat will meet us at the Clock Tower port, I say "no, I want to take the boat from the marina in Manga because less vendors and less annoyance" he says he can only do the Clock tower. Ok, cool. Deals done..[/QUOTE]Absolutely loved reading your detailed experience. Damn what a fricken newbie you got as a friend. But I have been there and done that.

I had planned on boat rental in Cartagena in the past but just the logistics of getting together 5 or 6 guys to share it with was impossible.

Let me know if you or any one else is up to a boat rental and I am all in. I could easily drive up from my home in Medellin and I have 2 or 3 cute fun and beautiful paisa chicas I would bring along as after-all 'sharing is caring'.

The Tall Man.

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[QUOTE=Nypher;2596444]So on Friday when everything clicked and I realize we need to plan accordingly to put as much distance between us and the Sosua mongers so we don't get into any bullshit of girls trying to over charge us because other guys are willing to pay double. While were back in the apartment with the chicas I say "we need distance, time for the boat to get away from the nonsense for a day. " I call my guy, he sends pictures of the boats, 3 boats available, $350, $600, and $1200. Cool, I show my boy since its his first trip to CTG, ill let him pick the boat. He goes for the $1200 boat, again, trying to explain to him, that's a boat that seats 20+ people, beds, air conditioning, and bathrooms. We don't need all of that, because its only 3 guys and 3 girls and if we pay in pesos it will be about 500 mil split 3 ways if we take the smaller boat. He insists on the $1200 boat, so I say "fine, we over here are fine with the $350 boat, if you want the $1200 boat we will give you $200 each to be generous and you can pay the difference. " Now he kind of understand and lowers to the $600 boat. My boy and I look at each other and say fuck it its only $200 each no big deal. I confirm with my guy and tell him we need the boat Saturday as early as possible so we can get to the islands early and have maximum time on the water he says 8 am is the best he can do and the boat will meet us at the Clock Tower port, I say "no, I want to take the boat from the marina in Manga because less vendors and less annoyance" he says he can only do the Clock tower. Ok, cool. Deals done..[/QUOTE]Nypher.

Your report was hilarious. I was laughing as I was reading every event that took place with you guys.

[QUOTE=ElPapi;2596855]Nypher.

Your report was hilarious. I was laughing as I was reading every event that took place with you guys.[/QUOTE]Ya that was one of the best reports ever. You sure know how to roll in CTG.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2596038]Why is it exactly that I need to be carelful?[/QUOTE]Sorry for delay but working in San Jose for this week than Panama city. Weather you know it or not, this site is social media which is also monitor by a few USA agency out of Bogota.

Most of us know what happen to Cuba Dave in Sousa but I would be careful about talking and posting information or thoughts about an ongoing investigation that possible could.
have result in a death committed by a U.S. person outside the USA. The red flag area would be speaking are posting that a conspiracy most have taken place in the USA for the person to have been release by a USA Agency or State Agency as a pay off which alleged a corruption within the USA. This is where I think we need to be careful it could call for a stop order when re-entry to the USA called a no hold debriefing of about 5-10 min. Of who, what, when and how your information or other was obtain along with any other information to support your posting. I have been there as a result of just a motor accident where the person ran into to me and I had to pay his medical cost plus and I complaint how our USA Embassy in the Dominican Republic was shit and was of no help and was a big waste of taxpayers money. The result was a 30 day suspension of my work visa in that country.

Dublin12 suggest the reply to your post," was like a threat" no just what I would not do or talk about with an ongoing investigation in another country concerning a person from the USA And because as he clearly made plain," what you post renders you liable to criticism, " it can also render you to a customs debriefing on USA Soil.

Back to the purpose of this site is for mongering, I plan to be back in Cartagena soon and will continue to do me, so again I kindly ask for the contact of the girl I requested that you posted by a PM. Be good be safe.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2596529]I also tried it at one of those hippy / eco coffee houses in Bali. Don't remember what I paid but it was too much for that shit.[/QUOTE]I remember in Bali I went on one of those tours to the rice fields, then they took us to a coffee house where they had these animals in cages that looked like mongoose. The person at the coffee place was like the animal eats berries and poops so we turn its poop into coffee, and I was like "ima have to pass on that coffee."

Sunday comes around. Newbie wants to go out. Its 11 am, I try to explain to him we do not go out in the day time and its better to just chill in the apartment until the sun goes down. We have everything we need here, pool, liquor, beers, kick ass wireless speakers with heavy bass that can link together, girls on instant call and we can Rappi anything we want. He doesn't get it and wants to go out because some bird keeps making noise by his bedroom window all day. My other boy starts laughing and says "chupando webo", Newbie feels some kind of way because he think he was called a dick sucker. I have to explain to him that's what they call the bird that's making the noise down here. He gets it. Cool, then his chica from last night comes out his room. My boy looks him and ask "where's she going?" he responds "with us, I'm keeping her for the day". I try to explain to him this is not DR and why we do not walk around with the chicas and just bring them to the apartment to have fun but he doesn't get it. Ok, he needs to see it to understand.

All 5 of us leave and as soon as we hit the corner where Hotel El Viajero is to turn down to reach the clocktower everyone is approaching him trying to sell him shit, but not us. Hes trying to figure it out but we just laughing. I tell him "you stand out too much, that basketball Jersey with Yankee fitted isn't doing you any favors but you can only learn why we don't do certain things if we let you see it for yourself". We make it to the clocktower and outside the wall where all the vendors are. Lemonade guy is screaming, orange guy is screaming but I only have ears for the Coconut guy! I tell Newbie don't buy any of these juices, my other boy head over and buys pineapple slices and the chica joins him. I snake my way though the vendors to coconut guy as I've been dying for coconut water since Exito stores were out of coconut water since I landed. 5 mil per coconut? Fuck it, give me 4, I need this. Coconut guy took so long to dig down to the bottom of the ice cooler to get the coconuts that when I turned around I see Newbie drinking the damn lemonade. My other boy come over eating the pineapple slices shaking his head and says "didn't you tell him?" I respond back with "I told him not to, but I didn't tell him why he shouldn't. " (for those of you who don't know, they make that juice with mineral water or tap water, most likely its will be tap water. You do not want to drink the tap water here especially when it rains allot). Newbie comes back with 2 lemonades in his hand like he won the lottery, saying "this lemonade is on point! One of these for 2 mil, but he didn't have change so I told him to give me another one and keep the change". His chica comes back and says "Papi Noooo, no bueno!" I couldn't say anything, I got 4 coconuts for 20 mil he got 2 lemonades for 5 mil, hes winning. For now. We make our way around the outside of the wall and I point out the ATM inside Scotia bank. I explain to Newbie they will limit you at 900 mil per transaction but you can do multiple until you hit your daily withdrawal limit you set on your debit card. He gets it, kind of. He goes in and comes out with 2 pockets stuffed like hamster cheeks. I asked him "what's up with your pockets?" he responds "The ATM only gave him 20's", my other boy asked him "how many transactions did you do?" he responds "two. Why?" My boy and I just looked at each other and realized he pulled out a shit ton of pesos but his flight is tomorrow (Monday). Ok we need to empty his pockets so back to the apartment we go. When were walking back to the apartment we walk by allot of people and one of the Colombian men said something in Spanish but the only thing I understood in the whole sentence was "Negro, grande, pene, puta" but I can see in the chicas face that she's bothered by something as her attitude changed and she was being more distant from him. I kind of pieced together what happened and I get it, Newbie doesn't get it. My other boy pulls him aside and tell him when we passed those guys back there one of them made a comment "all you working girls like those big black dicks". Its then he starts to realize people are watching him, especially older Colombian men, then it his him when he was walking with her holding her hand, cab drivers are slowing down rolling down their windows looking at him. (for those of you who do not know, Colombian men do not like foreigners with Colombian women, same as Thailand because many Colombian women do not date Colombian men, when you ask the chicas why, they say Colombian men have no money and the men see the women as "theirs" So we get inside and he looks like he just came out the shower, dripping with sweat, and complaining his throat is itchy. My other boy jokes and says "Yes sir! Thats the COVID taking hold" then I notice he still have the lemonade cup in his hand and hes still drinking the lemonade. The chica is still a bit troubled so I tell her she can go or hang out, her choice. She wants to go I let her out and so she goes. I get back and Newbie is shitting away. He gets it, and now understands why we don't go outside in the daytime, or with chicas, and why we don't drink the damn juices from those carts filled with ice.

We stay inside, the nurse comes to give him his Covid test to return, the bird keeps annoying him so he calls over another chica to party with him. He negotiated for 200 mil for 1 polvo. She comes over and hangs out for about 3 hours. He gets it. He understands. During that time my other boy decides to start cleaning up to get things ready for the night while I try to figure out what to do with all his pesos because we are not hitting the clubs while the Sosua guys are here. Plan was for him to give me the pesos and ill give him dollars, hes cool with keeping the pesos because he will come back next year he says. Ok cool. Time passes and Newbie wants to get a new girl, ok cool, lets go out and do a loop to see what we get.

Newbie finds this one chica but she only wants to be paid in Dollars. He comes running to me wanting to swap pesos for dollars I tell him its foolish to do so and he should pay her in pesos he goes back and looks like they worked it out because she's walking back with him holding her hand. My other boy grabs a new girl works out his deal and I'm left with nothing. I'm looking for something unique but they are all looking the same, clones, clones, clones. Just then someone taps me on my shoulder and says "Puto Negro". Only one person ever calls me that and surely enough I turn around and its this afro-Latina chic I was with a few times earlier in the year but I never told I was coming back. She starts asking me why I never returned her messages, surely enough I check my Whatsapp and she's muted indefinitely along with their status. I told her its because she asked for money once I landed back home. She gets it starts laughing and says same agreement as last time. Ok, cool might as well at this point and were all back to the apartment to party.

Its now about 2 am, everyone already had their first polvo, dancing, playing games and having fun in the pool when my chica is constantly on her phone for the last 5 minutes texting frantically. I'm thinking she's doing business to line up the next gringo for tomorrow so I go over to tell her not on my time, its then she asks for a favor. Can her amiga come over for a few hours until morning. I ask what's wrong and she says there's a problem with a gringo and its best for her to be here, Ok I don't really care we are still under the apartments limit (don't do what I did, never make their problems your problems). Its not 2:30 am everyone sleeping except my chica and I, the girl shows up, my chica goes to get her, the friend comes in crying and mad. I ask what happened (again never do this, their problems are their problems). Using the translator she goes on a emotional rant. According to her" She met a guy coming out the disco, they negotiated for 800 mil la noche dos polvos, she left with him and his friends as there were other girs with them. They got the apartment and she wanted to be paid first but he wouldn't and agreed to pay half now and half in the morning. They did their thing and when he left the room to wash up another guy who wasn't with them enter the room and tried to have sex with her, she told him no and then the original guy came back to the room and told her she has to do it or she won't get paid the rest of the money and if not to give back the money he gave her. So she gave back half the money he gave her and he let her leave. So I ask her "why come here why not go home", she responds "she lives almost 2 hours away and its not safe to travel at this time". I point her to my room told her to shower off and get in the bed. My chica and I are still talking its almost 4 am, Newbie comes out hes having problems with the CheckMig site, it won't let him register for departure. I tell him "don't worry about it, your flight is at 3 pm that's 11 hours from now, you have time" (big fucking mistake on my part and I suggest everyone to fill out the CheckMIG at the first opportunity when your date becomes available).

[QUOTE=Nypher;2597275]Sunday comes around. Newbie wants to go out. Its 11 am, I try to explain to him we do not go out in the day time and its better to just chill in the apartment until the sun goes down. We have everything we need here, pool, liquor, beers, kick ass wireless speakers with heavy bass that can link together, girls on instant call and we can Rappi anything we want. He doesn't get it and wants to go out because some bird keeps making noise by his bedroom window all day. My other boy starts laughing and says "chupando webo", Newbie feels some kind of way because he think he was called a dick sucker. I have to explain to him that's what they call the bird that's making the noise down here. He gets it. Cool, then his chica from last night comes out his room. My boy looks him and ask "where's she going?" he responds "with us, I'm keeping her for the day". I try to explain to him this is not DR and why we do not walk around with the chicas and just bring them to the apartment to have fun but he doesn't get it. Ok, he needs to see it to understand.

All 5 of us leave and as soon as we hit the corner where Hotel El Viajero is to turn down to reach the clocktower everyone is approaching him trying to sell him shit, but not us. Hes trying to figure it out but we just laughing. I tell him "you stand out too much, that basketball Jersey with Yankee fitted isn't doing you any favors but you can only learn why we don't do certain things if we let you see it for yourself". We make it to the clocktower and outside the wall where all the vendors are. Lemonade guy is screaming, orange guy is screaming but I only have ears for the Coconut guy! I tell Newbie don't buy any of these juices, my other boy head over and buys pineapple slices and the chica joins him. I snake my way though the vendors to coconut guy as I've been dying for coconut water since Exito stores were out of coconut water since I landed. 5 mil per coconut? Fuck it, give me 4, I need this. Coconut guy took so long to dig down to the bottom of the ice cooler to get the coconuts that when I turned around I see Newbie drinking the damn lemonade. My other boy come over eating the pineapple slices shaking his head and says "didn't you tell him?" I respond back with "I told him not to, but I didn't tell him why he shouldn't. " (for those of you who don't know, they make that juice with mineral water or tap water, most likely its will be tap water. You do not want to drink the tap water here especially when it rains allot). Newbie comes back with 2 lemonades in his hand like he won the lottery, saying "this lemonade is on point! One of these for 2 mil, but he didn't have change so I told him to give me another one and keep the change". His chica comes back and says "Papi Noooo, no bueno!" I couldn't say anything, I got 4 coconuts for 20 mil he got 2 lemonades for 5 mil, hes winning..[/QUOTE]Keep them coming! I'm learning a lot from your reports.

You do not have to fill out a CheckMig when returning to the States. It is only needed to enter Colombia.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2597542]You do not have to fill out a CheckMig when returning to the States. It is only needed to enter Colombia.[/QUOTE]Travelers need 3 things to exit Colombia and enter the States.

1. Negative Antigen Covid test.

2. CheckMIG departure filled out.

3. Sign the waiver stating that you have been tested negative for covid.

Without those you will not get through security.

Ill go into further detail when I post the report on what happened Monday with the Newbie was trying to leave without the CheckMig completed then JetBlue kept delaying the flight until they canceled it.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2597607]Travelers need 3 things to exit Colombia and enter the States.

1. Negative Antigen Covid test.

2. CheckMIG departure filled out.

3. Sign the waiver stating that you have been tested negative for covid.

Without those you will not get through security.

Ill go into further detail when I post the report on what happened Monday with the Newbie was trying to leave without the CheckMig completed then JetBlue kept delaying the flight until they canceled it.[/QUOTE]This is definitely good-to-know info, looking forward to heareing about the newbie trying to leave without the CheckMig completed, this is something people want to avoid. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lebyteme;2597542]You do not have to fill out a CheckMig when returning to the States. It is only needed to enter Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yes you will need to complete the form Check MiG when you get to customs in Colombia. I had that same thought that I didn't need it but they will ask you for it at the time you enter the airport or they will send you to customer service to use the wi-fi to get it before you get to customs. I made that clear in my trip report how I paid the girl in customer service to help me and I got the reply in like 5 seconds. And was on my way to the U.S.A this was departure not arrival from Colombia.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;2597711]Yes you will need to complete the form Check MiG when you get to customs in Colombia. I made that clear in my trip report how I paid the girl in customer service to help me and I got the reply in like 5 seconds. And was on my way to the U.S.A this was departure not arrival from Colombia.[/QUOTE]There is a reason one says arrival and one says departure.

Sunday night / Monday morning.

Newbie goes back in his room, My chica and I head over to my room. Her friend is knocked out cold in the middle of the bed with her phone in her hand. My chica says to let her sleep cause she had a rough night, so I say "Fuck it, pick a side. " She picks the side closest to the door. (one thing I noticed was the every girl I've been with on this trip, whenever its time to sleep they always picked the side that's closest to the door like they have to be able to run out at any minute). I take the friends phone, turn on the screen and of course as usual, the battery is in the red so I put it on the charger in the living room. (lately all these girls have been showing up with batteries in the yellow or red, doesn't matter time of day so I kept an 5 Port Anker charger in the living room with 5 cables attached iphone / USBC / Micro USB). Walking back to my room I hear Newbies toilet flush, yep, he's still shitting from that lemonade jajaja.

Monday morning comes around, and I hear things being moved around in the bedroom. Its too early for this shit so my eyes are still closed and I blindly move my hand feel whose still in the bed, I'm feeling braids and big tits (my chica), I'm not felling straight hair and small tits (her friend). Its been a long night, I don't want to open my eyes so I just say "Di Mae" she responds "phone". I have no idea how to say living room in Spanish but I do know how to say outside because sometimes you have to tell these chicas its time for them to go so I respond back with "afuera". She gets it, and goes to the living room. I go back to sleep. I don't know how much time passes but now the friend is tapping me and saying "Comida". Again I don't want to open my eyes so I just respond back with "Rappi". She leaves, then my boy comes in "Yo! This chick cooked up a storm out here, you better come get some before its all gone cause its a lot of us" Fine I get up, walk up my chica, we wash up and head to the kitchen, everyone's already eating and she did cook us a slamming breakfast. I realize Newbies girl is still here and its after 9 am. So I ask him "Did you pay her already so she can go?" he responds back with "I paid her last night", I ask "Where the fuck you got dollars from?" he responds "Zelle". I'm confused by this, so I ask "Zelle? Like Zelle Zelle?" he nods his head. So I look at my boy and ask "since when these chicas start taking Zelle payments?" he just shrugs his shoulders and keeps eating like this isn't a new discovery where we can direct pay the chicas instead of taking a loss exchanging money or getting hit with double ATM fees every time we pull out pesos. Its whatever, we will figure that out later I guess. Newbie gets up to put his plate and cup in the sink, his chica stops him and and takes his plate and cup to go wash them, hes shocked by this, so my boy tells him "This is why we don't fuck with American chicks like that and would rather use our money here where we are appreciated instead of tolerated". Newbie starts walking to him room and I realize hes walking funny. So in a joking way I ask "Who fucked who last night cause you look like you got it from the back rough" My chica kind of picks up on it and says "Quarto, duro!" and everyone starts laughing. Newbie says "Naw man, my ass is hurting from that toilet paper". Chances are he was wiping too much with their rough toilet paper and rubbed of some skin on his anus. So I tell my chica to give him her pussy cream, and the rest of her wet wipes and ill give her extra to buy new ones. She agrees and comes back and gives him the stuff, he starts asking random questions "why this say virginial on it? Why do I need wet wipes?" So I have to explain to him down here allot of these girls get injured when working. What happens is that the condom sometimes dry out and starts rubbing against their inner walls and it peals the skin away from their inside, so for them to heal quickly and work again they use that cream as lube so they can work and heal them quicker. Also they don't really use the toilet paper the use the wet naps because the toilet paper sticks in-between their stuff. He gets it.

Breakfast is done, the chicas are getting ready to leave, and just out of curiosity I ask my chicas friend which club was the guy coming from when he approached her. She says Delirium. So I tell her "bullshit happens on both sides in there which is why I don't like going there. Yes you girls can get us black guys to pay more in there but you have to make it clear to them what they can or can't do before you go with them. She responds back with "but your nice. " I tell her "I'm not nice, I just understand, don't use me as an example for all the others I'm just here to represent me, the girls who like being around me will come to me, the ones who want to chase the money will go to them. " Then I explain to her, she wanted 800 mil, he gave her 400 mil, then she had to give him back 200 mil in order to leave so she just got the standard ST rate and lost out on 600 mil because of some bullshit, but if she came to me for the same 200 mil she have right now, she would have been in a more relaxed environment zero bullshit. (the translator app is a little rough but I think she gets it because she responded with an "entiendo") All 4 girls left.

Its now around 11 am, new guy is too busy packing up to complete CheckMIG and clears out his room and out the door by 12 pm to get to the airport. He wants to be there early. I tried to explain to him the airport is only 15 minutes away max, and when you get there they will make you wait outside on a line in this heat, then once you clear the line, bag check, passport control, immigration, and security, you will be stuck in the terminal and you only source of food will be Bukash's dry ass pastries unless you drown them in sauce. He didn't get it and wanted to go. OK Cool, I told him, when he gets there make sure none of those guys grab his suitcase out of the car and bring it to the line or put it on a cart, remember the *free ladder*. He laughed. He still haven't done the CheckMIG yet.

*All this I'm not there to see but I'm hearing from him calling and texting.

He says he got there and the cab driver got out and took his suitcase out the car and told him 20 mil. By the time he found the money to pay for the cab and turned around some guy was already standing there holding his suitcase asking him which airline. So he told them JetBlue, the guy then starts rolling his suitcase to the Jetblue line, They both get there and the guy says "propina" and that when he realized what just happened jajaja. So he gave him 2 mil. Then they made him wait outside, he have no water with him and nowhere you get any from. Then almost 2 hours later it was finally time for them to let them in, the person outside managing the line asked to see his negative COVID test and gave him a paper to sign stating that he tested negative and told him, write your name, check the first box then sign and date the bottom. He gets inside and on the checkin / bag drop line and starts hearing CheckMIG and that's when he remembers he needs to fill it out. Hes trying to do it and it won't go through, apparently everyone is trying to do it last minute and its causing the site problems but he cannot check his bag unless he completes that form. He says lots of people were on the line trying to do it as well and they had to help everyone which took about 30 minutes for him. He then decided not to check his bag because its a carry on size, handed over the form he signed, showed them the negative test and the email from CheckMIG and made it through passport control, immigration, and security. He calls back about 20 minutes later ranting. He wants to shit but because they blocked every other urinal, people are using the toilets more to pee and they look disgusting with pee all over the seats and floor. Then he realize there is only the one store I told him about that sold limited pastries. He figures it out and hangs up. At this time, one of my chicas text me that the big Exito stocked up on baby coronas again so my friend and I went to get a few 6 packs to restock the fridge.

He text me back, his 3:15 pm flight is delayed to 3:40, then delayed to 4:10 pm. Then they changed his Gate, Then they had to deplane, then the delay went to 6:10 pm, then 8:10 pm then it changed to 7 am and he was not having it. He shows back up at the apartment ready to get another chica because he is stressed and want to "relax" OK cool. He's going through his whatsapp list looking for a good one but since he told the girls when he was leaving allot of them deleted him already so he can't see their display picture. He has like 10 girls in his phone all named Paola, I'm trying my best not to laugh so he goes on Tinder and start swiping. He gets a match in minutes and they start talking. He shows me the picture of her body. Nice slim Afro Latina, looks super young like she's fresh on the market, looks like a classic Rhianna clone (not the new bleached one) then I saw the gap in her two front teeth and I remember this girl, and I tell him "Unless you have the girth of that baby corona I wouldn't bother, I know her as Dari, her body snapped back after she pushed the baby about 3 years ago but I don't think they stitched her back up, its loose" he decides to wait until night time to get something. Night time hits and I'm texting my chicas, no ones responding, I figure its Monday night so everyone went back home for the weekend (On Tuesday I found out why). My other boy comes out his room with another girl and says he's staying in for the night and keeping her as he's got a good deal so its just me and the new guy to hit the street and find something new on a Monday night (not the best night to do this). We find 2 friends both looking good and have good energy, new faces, they don't know us which is perfect so the don't know what to expect when we get back to the apartment. I didn't want to haggle so I let Newbie do it. He comes back with 500 mil la noche, dos polvos. He's getting it, he's learning. Ok an extra $25 a piece won't hurt but now I have to change the rules of the game to offset that extra 100 mil their getting, so instead of winners get 50 mil and looser takes a shot now its winner gets 20 mil. And its off to play drinking games!

I am posting this in "Cartagena Lists" also.

Places to get Covid test for return to USA.

This is a comprehensive list of places in Colombia to get Covid tested listed by city, giving the webiste, physical location, hours they are open, whether or not you need an appointment, the type of tests offered, the phone number, the turn around time for types of tests they do at each location, and the price.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/103/COVID-Testing-Locations-in-Colombia.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2597955]This is a comprehensive list of places in Colombia to get Covid tested listed by city, giving the webiste, physical location, hours they are open, whether or not you need an appointment, the type of tests offered, the phone number, the turn around time for types of tests they do at each location, and the price.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/103/COVID-Testing-Locations-in-Colombia.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Good effort, but this list is horrible. Seems many of the places are connected. Nothing under $35 and takes at least 1 day for an antigen test? In actuality there are many places where you can get an antigen test for $15 and only takes a few minutes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2597971]Good effort, but this list is horrible. Seems many of the places are connected. Nothing under $35 and takes at least 1 day for an antigen test? In actuality there are many places where you can get an antigen test for $15 and only takes a few minutes.[/QUOTE]I had that same list printed out but didn't even look at it because the touts were constantly advertising the tests along with boat trips.

The place we used came to our apartment and charged newbie 165 mil for antigen. They tell you your results right on the spot within 5 minutes, then text or email the official results in 1 hour.

I was there a few days ago 4th time in Cartagena and every time I'm there I say I'm going to try that lemonade or the orange one. They look so good and refreshing but in the back of my mind I always figured something wasn't right with it. I'm glad you confirmed my assumptions.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2597275]Sunday comes around. Newbie wants to go out. Its 11 am, I try to explain to him we do not go out in the day time and its better to just chill in the apartment until the sun goes down. We have everything we need here, pool, liquor, beers, kick ass wireless speakers with heavy bass that can link together, girls on instant call and we can Rappi anything we want. He doesn't get it and wants to go out because some bird keeps making noise by his bedroom window all day. My other boy starts laughing and says "chupando webo", Newbie feels some kind of way because he think he was called a dick sucker. I have to explain to him that's what they call the bird that's making the noise down here. He gets it. Cool, then his chica from last night comes out his room. My boy looks him and ask "where's she going?" he responds "with us, I'm keeping her for the day". I try to explain to him this is not DR and why we do not walk around with the chicas and just bring them to the apartment to have fun but he doesn't get it. Ok, he needs to see it to understand.

All 5 of us leave and as soon as we hit the corner where Hotel El Viajero is to turn down to reach the clocktower everyone is approaching him trying to sell him shit, but not us. Hes trying to figure it out but we just laughing. I tell him "you stand out too much, that basketball Jersey with Yankee fitted isn't doing you any favors but you can only learn why we don't do certain things if we let you see it for yourself". We make it to the clocktower and outside the wall where all the vendors are. Lemonade guy is screaming, orange guy is screaming but I only have ears for the Coconut guy! I tell Newbie don't buy any of these juices, my other boy head over and buys pineapple slices and the chica joins him. I snake my way though the vendors to coconut guy as I've been dying for coconut water since Exito stores were out of coconut water since I landed. 5 mil per coconut? Fuck it, give me 4, I need this..[/QUOTE]

Guess I just got lucky cause I was in Cartagena Memorial Day and early August. Both times leaving I didn't fill out the form and both times no one bothered to check. They only wanted to see that negative COVID test.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2597607]Travelers need 3 things to exit Colombia and enter the States.

1. Negative Antigen Covid test.

2. CheckMIG departure filled out.

3. Sign the waiver stating that you have been tested negative for covid.

Without those you will not get through security.

Ill go into further detail when I post the report on what happened Monday with the Newbie was trying to leave without the CheckMig completed then JetBlue kept delaying the flight until they canceled it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2598011]I had that same list printed out but didn't even look at it because the touts were constantly advertising the tests along with boat trips.

The place we used came to our apartment and charged newbie 165 mil for antigen. They tell you your results right on the spot within 5 minutes, then text or email the official results in 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Which place did you use?

[QUOTE=Nypher;2598011]I had that same list printed out but didn't even look at it because the touts were constantly advertising the tests along with boat trips.

The place we used came to our apartment and charged newbie 165 mil for antigen. They tell you your results right on the spot within 5 minutes, then text or email the official results in 1 hour.[/QUOTE]Do you have the name and phone number of this place?

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2598297]Which place did you use?[/QUOTE]Corner of Calle 37 and Carrera 9, light blue building.

It looks like a gift shop / Island tours place but they have a sign on the door says COVID test.

When you make the appointment you will need your passport and know the address of where you are staying. They will show up to your location and finish everything in under 10 minutes.

This is a little more expensive since they are coming to you. There are other alternatives where you can walk in to a clinic and get the test.

One I can think of is on Carrera 9 by the entrance to Exito where lemonade guy and Orange guy is usually screaming, there is a place called Laboratorio Bioclinco.

Tuesday comes around boy is MIA so its just me and newbie. We finally ran out of Titos and need more alcohol to finish the week, hes leaving Thursday, and our last day is Monday. Lets go to Exito! I decide to let the new guy push the cart because I knew it was going to be funny. (for those who don't know, many of the front wheels of the shopping karts in this Exito are fucked up where they sometimes lock at an angle causing the shopping cart to randomly do a hard left or hard right) he starts pushing and wham right into the stand of limes by the entrance, I'm trying to hold in my laughter but he has to learn by experience. He starts pushing again and we make our way round to the liquor. Hes shocked that the same exact big bottle of Absolut we paid 340 mil for in Space / Dolce is only about 80 mil in the store, he grabs 3 bottles. We keep it moving then he notices the the stairs and wants to see what's up there. I tell him nothing important and we never had a need to go up there because all the food is down here. He wants to see anyway, since this is his first trip let him see it all I guess. We leave the cart and get up to the top floor and its all kinds of random stuff but somehow he found the game isle and his eyes lit up. He makes a be line to UNO cards and comes up with the bright idea whoever draws takes a shot, who finishes first gets 50 mil, I like his thought process (he's catching on, when the girls good time, they are more likely willing to come back for less the second time). Ok cool. I roll with it we get back down grab the cart, load up the bags and head back to the apartment.

As soon as we get back we hear my boy in his room doing his thing and I get a whatsapp message "Quiero sexo" so I reply back with "gratis, si, jajaja". I wasn't even paying attention to who I was talking to until she replied back with "Si! 300 mil una polvos". So now I'm paying attention to who the hell wants 300 mil for one round at this time of day and I realize this was a chica who only operates on Tinder and I've been with her a few times already on my last trip and a few time on this trip. So I tell her its always been 200 mil between us, she still wants 300 mil. I tell her come over and we will talk. She gets to me and we get to talking to where I asked her why didn't she respond to me last night (Monday) when I texted her. She says some guys paid her $150 to go to a party and hang out and started showing me videos of the party. I see the football team about 8 Sosua mongers. SMH (Why the fuck are they still here on a Monday night! And about 4 girls playing in the pool. So I ask her how many guys were there, she says 12. I start laughing and ask how many of them were sharing rooms, she says none of them it was a big house like a mansion. So I ask "How many did you fuck?" she responds "none, they paid for her time but was too busy taking pictures and when her time finished her boyfriend kept texting her so she left but the other girls stayed" I don't know if that was true or not but I'm not willing to fuck after I've seen what she was with last night but she swears she didn't. Ok fine, 200 mil + taxi. Listo!

I ask the new guy to grab be a pool towel because its about to get messy, he comes back saying "don't tell me you are running red lights down here" I respond back with "every time she rides me she squirts, I'm in no mood to wash these sheets at this time of day" I grab the towel fold it up and we get to business. She hops on to and sure enough, tight as I remembered, she gets hers, switch position and I get mine. I wash up and I head to the living room while she's hits the shower. Newbie is mixing up the UNO cards preparing for tonight and I happen to notice my boy is over there with a girl who looks like she's way too young to be here. So I joke with my boy asking "What school bus did you get this girl from" he responds "this is the same girl you saw last night, I got her from Tinder, she's good, and is a good deal, 500 mil a day unlimited polvos" So I turn to her and say "Tienes Cedula?" She takes it out from the back of her phone case hands it to me and surely enough its her photo, I flip it over and birth date year 2000. So I ask her "Vente uno?" She responds "Si" its then I realize there was a baby photo as her phones wallpaper and I ask her "tienes hijos" She says "si, una". I ask "Quanto anos?" She responds "Seis anos". So I look at my boy and ask him "Damn, did this chick get pregnant at 14 and gave birth at 15?" he responds "yea, then he left her after the baby was born and she don't know where he is. If fucked up down here".

My chica comes out my room, I hand her the money folded up, and she just takes the money and puts it in her bag. Newbie sees that and ask "Yo, what's up with that? She didn't even count the money or anything! My boy starts laughing and tells him "when the chicas trust you, they never count the money or ask for it before services start and this chica have been here multiple times already, she knows how we operate. " Newbies starting to understand and goes back to his room to get ready to head out and explore a little. My chica leaves and my boys chica leaves to go home and come back later in the night. Newbie comes out his room, heads straight to the kitchen, puts all 3 bottles of Absolut in the freezer, stack the UNO cards in the middle of the table and yells out "WE SET FOR TONIGHT!" My boy looks at me and asks "What changed?" I respond "I think that airport experience did it".

My boy decide to do something different and put Mallplaza on the list since it has a food court. We jump in the cab, Newbie opens up Waze and realize the cab is going the opposite direction and starts asking questions. So I explain to him "there is no left turn to go over that bridge, in order for us to cross it the cab have to go down pass all the motorbike taxis, cross the median then come back up to make the right to cross the bridge. " Hes fascinated by this because all the cars are driving so close and its time to make the cross over to the other side of the road, cars are coming from three different directions, no traffic lights but yet there was no accidents at all. We do a little shopping, grab some Frisbys (this chicken is incredible! It taste like when you place the order, they kill the chicken right there on the spot then fry it. Every bite just burst juice in your mouth. Even the chicken breasts are juicy). We finish up and head back home to drop off things and head out once more.

Night time, we heading out. Newbie is in front taking the lead, cuts through the street before we reach Delirium straight to the Space / Dolce side and park up across the street watching the girls pass by. My boy taps me and ask "We not going in?" I say "Lets just watch and play this out. You're covered for the night, I can call back someone, but newbie needs a fresh roster because most of his girls deleted him". I'm watching him hunt, hes trying to find something good. He grabs one before she goes in to Space, start talking to her then brings her over, she recognizes me, then tells new guy "No puedo, tu amigo", hugs me then goes into Space. New guys lost, so I had to explain to him, some of these chicas do have a moral code, some only see 1 client a day, some don't do a clients friends, she's one who don't do clients friends. He get its and gets another girl, negotiate and price and brings her back to us. My boys girls is on her way back, and once again I have no chica. I decide to broadcast a whatsapp status message "Esta noche?" With a picture of the uno cards. No replies, so we start walking back while I'm looking, I'm not seeing any energetic girls, just then one comes and taps me. She knows A girl that was with with us last week and wants to hang out. She didn't even talk price she just wants to come. My boy is like "she about to set us up" So I ask for her Instagram and sure enough she's friends with not just one but two of the girls we played with previously. I tell her I know its almost 10 pm, come for the hour and ill give you 300 mil 1 polvos, then I deleted the whatsapp status message I posted. We get back to the apartment, I ask both chicas for their Cedula, take a quick pictures of the fronts and backs and throw them in the cloud (something I do when things don't seem right), my boys girls show up and the game begins UNO with shots of Absolut. That's the last thing I remembered that night. (Things got out of hand and it was a huge mistake to do this as these are fairly new chicas).

Wednesday!

I woke up the next morning in my room, I'm trying to figure out why is there a used condom on my dick. I move the covers and my chica is out cold. I stumble in the living room there are shot classes everywhere, UNO card scattered, Newbie is on the floor out cold, his chica is on the couch out cold. I need to find my other boy so I start heading to his room and stepped in someone's vomit, so detour to the guest bathroom to wash off my feet and his young chica is in there out cold in the shower with vomit all over the floor. I make my way to my boys room to wash off my feet and he's on the bathroom floor snoring hard! I figure everyone is still here so I grab some water from the pool, wash off my feet and went back to sleep. My boy wakes me up around 12 pm, he wants to know what happened last night. I have no clue so I tell him ask his girl, he can't find his girl, So I tell him last I remembered she was in the guest bathroom out cold, he comes back, she's not in there, so I go to wash up and there she is, in my bathroom in the shower, more vomit. We come out of my room and Newbie is in his bathroom yelling "yo who threw up in my bathroom?" So I go to look at my boys bathroom, its clean. Newbie comes out his room to use the guest bathroom and discovers the vomit, so he goes into my bathroom to use it and comes back out saying "Yo did someone threw up in all the bathrooms or something?" My boy responds with "mas o menos" and we both start laughing. My boy grabs his girl out of my bathroom takes her to his room and comes back. Now we have a shit ton to clean. I tell Newbie jump on the CheckMIG and fill out the departure ASAP. He gets it done in 5 minutes with confirmation email so hes good to go. We finish cleaning then my chica stumbles out my room, its about 3 pm, no ones has eaten the other 2 girls still sleeping. I tell my chica wake them up and everyone to the living room. My boy says lets just get Rappi and I open the app and slides the phone to his chica since she have 2 days with us and the other chicas only have 1 night. She puts the order in for 3 pies from Dominos (the pies are small down here) and hands me back the phone asking if its ok to get it. Newbie sees this and is shocked, I have to explain to him, many chicas will ask first before they do something. (These are the ones you want to keep around). So I look at everyone and say "Dominoes Bueno? Si? Si?" Newbie don't want it and says "I didn't fly 5 hours for no damn Dominos, we might as well order Mc Donald's". So I said "Nah, try 1 slice, if you stop after 1 slice ill pay for your chica" he agrees. Dominos get here in what looks like an official Dominos scooter and Newbie tries it, 5 minutes later hes to busy eating to realize he's on the third slice and about to open the second box for a fourth. Everyone needed bread inside them to soak up all that Absolut. Its about 5 pm and the chicas are still here so my boy ask us if we paid them already. Newbie says yea he paid his, I don't recall so I ask my chica if I did and she said I did last night during the game. My boy pulls out the translator app and asks his chica if he paid her and she moves his phone from her and says something to him in Spanish but the only thing I understood was "falso". Turns out he got so drunk that he was talking to her in Spanish all night and she remembered so his Gringo game was up, he likes her too much and decides to keep her. We all have massive hang overs and its Newbies last night but no one is in the mood to go out to do anything. So tonight's looking like a dead night but Newbie wants to go out on a high note. I'm done, I need to recover so I'm out and decide I'm not doing anything. My boy takes his chica back to his room and I go to mine to sleep it off. Later in the night around 8 pm I wake up to the sound of rain and noise in the living room. Newbie is out there with the same 2 chicas playing UNO with shots, I have no idea if they went home and came back or just never left! I couldn't say anything, he had hamster peso pockets and could afford them both I guess. I go back to sleep, and wake up again, Its after 5 am and its still raining harder. They still in the living room playing then boom! All the power goes out. Can't see shit, No air conditioning. I'm looking for the breaker box with cellphone flashlight thinking the breaker tripped, turns out its not just us that lost power. I get back to the living room, Newbie is gone and so are the chicas, I figure he took them both to his room. OK cool, I'm going back to mine. I get to my bed and feel someone in it. I have no idea if these girls were the type to swap so I do the only thing I can think of. I text my chica "Donde esta?" surely enough her phone lights up in my room. Cool, back to sleep. (We completely forgot Newbie needed a new COVID test for his flight at 3 pm).

This place is growing on me.

Departed Medellin yesterday on my favorite airline, Viva, 260,000 COP roundtrip to CTG and arrived at 3 PM.

Upon arriving at the Dann Hotel I walked over to my favorite restaurant one block away, confirmed the hours and checked on what fresh fish they had. They didn't have Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel but said they would get me one for dinner. I then hit EXITO across from the Hotel and stocked up on beverages and snacks and checked in at the Dann Hotel.

I know most of the staff now after coming four times in the last six weeks. I told my Chica to be here at 4 PM and she sent me a text okay and at 3:30 PM the front desk calls and asks if she can come up to the room and I say of course and what a shock she was half an hour early (what's wrong with this picture). Upon showing up I was ready to jump her bones.

But there were some nice lefts breaking out in front of the Hotel, and seeing that I was be going to have my hands full for the next two days I told her to chill out on the balcony and that I was going to be riding some waves first, and then I would be riding her. The water is very nice here temperature wise, perfect for swimming.

After about an hour I returned to the room and game was on. What a nympho , after a long session, and finally blowing a load, she wanted to keep going.

We headed to the restaurant one block away and ordered Sangria, Paella, and had them fillet the Sierra and cook in butter and garlic.

After feasting and paying the bill all of 106,000 COP including the tip we went back to the room and basically passed out.

I woke up at 5;30 AM, popped a 25 MG dose of Viagra, woke her up at at 6 PM, and it was game on again. After the deed was done I had coffee, went out body surfing and walking the beach for two hours. So I've completed Surf Sex Food Cycle once now, and it will be continuing for a while.

Life is good in CTG besides Medellin.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2598903]This place is growing on me.

Departed Medellin yesterday on my favorite airline, Viva, 260,000 COP roundtrip to CTG and arrived at 3 PM.

Upon arriving at the Dann Hotel I walked over to my favorite restaurant one block away, confirmed the hours and checked on what fresh fish they had. They didn't have Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel but said they would get me one for dinner. I then hit EXITO across from the Hotel and stocked up on beverages and snacks and checked in at the Dann Hotel.

I know most of the staff now after coming four times in the last six weeks. I told my Chica to be here at 4 PM and she sent me a text okay and at 3:30 PM the front desk calls and asks if she can come up to the room and I say of course and what a shock she was half an hour early (what's wrong with this picture). Upon showing up I was ready to jump her bones.

But there were some nice lefts breaking out in front of the Hotel, and seeing that I was be going to have my hands full for the next two days I told her to chill out on the balcony and that I was going to be riding some waves first, and then I would be riding her. The water is very nice here temperature wise, perfect for swimming.

After about an hour I returned to the room and game was on. What a nympho , after a long session, and finally blowing a load, she wanted to keep going.

We headed to the restaurant one block away and ordered Sangria, Paella, and had them fillet the Sierra and cook in butter and garlic.

After feasting and paying the bill all of 106,000 COP including the tip we went back to the room and basically passed out.

I woke up at 5;30 AM, popped a 25 MG dose of Viagra, woke her up at at 6 PM, and it was game on again. After the deed was done I had coffee, went out body surfing and walking the beach for two hours. So I've completed Surf Sex Food Cycle once now, and it will be continuing for a while.

Life is good in CTG besides Medellin.[/QUOTE]I that fish locally caught?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2599091]I that fish locally caught?[/QUOTE]Does a bear shit in the woods! Caught in a net right off the beach by the restaurant.

It's called Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel. A cross between halibut and swordfish.

And now a question for you.

Do you know the difference between parsley and pussy?

You don't eat parsley! LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2599095]Does a bear shit in the woods! Caught in a net right off the beach by the restaurant.

It's called Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel. A cross between halibut and swordfish.

And now a question for you.

Do you know the difference between parsley and pussy?

You don't eat parsley! LOL.[/QUOTE]Is this Dann hotel girlfriendly? Did they charge you extra?

[QUOTE=Sammon;2599107]Is this Dann hotel girlfriendly? Did they charge you extra?[/QUOTE]Don't know I just have my Chica with me and registered her in as I booked a room for two.

I'm the only old fart with a woman forty years younger with me in tow that I have noticed at least yet.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2599095]Does a bear shit in the woods! Caught in a net right off the beach by the restaurant.

It's called Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel. A cross between halibut and swordfish.

And now a question for you.

Do you know the difference between parsley and pussy?

You don't eat parsley! LOL.[/QUOTE]After years of fucking parsley and looking at pussy; you finally figured it out. LOL.

Sierra is nasty.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2599133]After years of fucking parsley and looking at pussy; you finally figured it out. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kafka;2599139]Sierra is nasty.[/QUOTE]Spanish Mackerel is not like Tuna. Not at all, it's a mackerel, but not the stinky type. Actually more like a cross between halibut and swordfish. Also used in Sushi a lot.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2599091]I that fish locally caught?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2598903]
Upon arriving at the Dann Hotel I walked over to my favorite restaurant one block away, confirmed the hours and checked on what fresh fish they had. They didn't have Sierra which is Spanish Mackerel but said they would get me one for dinner. I then hit EXITO across from the Hotel and stocked up on beverages and snacks and checked in at the Dann Hotel.
.[/QUOTE]About ten years ago I had the best damn grilled fish I have ever eaten at a restaurant right there on the El Laguito section of the beach. If you walked out of Hotel Dann and took a right and.

Follow Carrera 1 onto the beach it would be the last place on the left as you step onto the beach. It is listed as El Muelle now, looking at the photos I think it is either changed over or they just upped their game p0 when I ate their ten years ago, they came out with one of those large cooking sheets covered with freshly caught fish and said "this is the menu, pick one" - then they grilled it and served it with some coconut rice and a small pile of lettuce and tomatoes they called salad. They scaled it and gutted it but they left the head so that the fish was staring up at you as you eat it ! That was an awsome fish though.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2599243]About ten years ago I had the best damn grilled fish I have ever eaten at a restaurant right there on the El Laguito section of the beach. If you walked out of Hotel Dann and took a right and.

Follow Carrera 1 onto the beach it would be the last place on the left as you step onto the beach. It is listed as El Muelle now, looking at the photos I think it is either changed over or they just upped their game p0 when I ate their ten years ago, they came out with one of those large cooking sheets covered with freshly caught fish and said "this is the menu, pick one" - then they grilled it and served it with some coconut rice and a small pile of lettuce and tomatoes they called salad. They scaled it and gutted it but they left the head so that the fish was staring up at you as you eat it ! That was an awsome fish though.[/QUOTE]This photo was taken from my room at the Hotel Dann and the fisherman have large nets that they deploy offshore hundreds of feet with about twenty guys pulling the net towards shore which takes them awhile.

When they get the net to the beach it's typically filled with trash like plastic bottles, cans, and fish. Sometimes they may only catch a few dozen fish or a few hundred. Lot's of people come up to the boat when there transferring the caught fish from the nets to containers in the boat and some people are buying them right there. Doesn't get any fresher than this. It's hard to believe how incredible fresh fish can be as you described.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2599243]About ten years ago I had the best damn grilled fish I have ever eaten at a restaurant right there on the El Laguito section of the beach. If you walked out of Hotel Dann and took a right and.

Follow Carrera 1 onto the beach it would be the last place on the left as you step onto the beach. It is listed as El Muelle now, looking at the photos I think it is either changed over or they just upped their game p0 when I ate their ten years ago, they came out with one of those large cooking sheets covered with freshly caught fish and said "this is the menu, pick one" - then they grilled it and served it with some coconut rice and a small pile of lettuce and tomatoes they called salad. They scaled it and gutted it but they left the head so that the fish was staring up at you as you eat it ! That was an awsome fish though.[/QUOTE]I've eaten at El Muelle a few times when I stayed in Bocagrande or El Laguito. Over the years the food does not taste the same as it use to. A while back I tried to eat there again and it just taste different. Maybe a different cook?

Some of the best fish I've eaten was at Restaurant La Diana. Follow Calle 1 B all the way to the end and right before reaching the Hilton make the right and walk down to the make shift open tent. Some of the best Red Snapper I've eaten. They bring out the tray with all the fish on it and tell you the price for each one then fry them up. The only thing that sucks was no running water so when its time to wash your hands from eating the fish they bring a small container filled with soapy water. Also the flies, many flies so while we were are eating with one hand we were batting away files with the other jajajaja. Totally worth it though.

I've read multiple times in this forum that Christmas is a bad time for hobbying in Cartagena (girls go home to be with family, etc) My question is, is the entire month of December no good? Just avoid the week of Christmas? Is early December still a good time to visit?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2599341]I've read multiple times in this forum that Christmas is a bad time for hobbying in Cartagena (girls go home to be with family, etc) My question is, is the entire month of December no good? Just avoid the week of Christmas? Is early December still a good time to visit?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I flew in the day after Christmas last year and stayed until after the new year. I had a blast! I already know chicas who actually live there. There were enough on the beach and in centro. Certainly slower than usual, but enough.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2599341]I've read multiple times in this forum that Christmas is a bad time for hobbying in Cartagena (girls go home to be with family, etc) My question is, is the entire month of December no good? Just avoid the week of Christmas? Is early December still a good time to visit?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The first 2 weeks can be good. If your lucky enough to spot a non pro mommy, looking for some money to buy Christmas presents. Once you get near Christmas it can get pretty slow. However, in this time of covid and an influx of Venezuelan chics who can't get home for the holidays it could be pretty good. BUT the beach is always good for the week between Christmas and New Year Colombians always like to hit the beach that week. Just look for a group of girls, not families LOL. Going on vacation. You might get lucky.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2599298]I've eaten at El Muelle a few times when I stayed in Bocagrande or El Laguito. Over the years the food does not taste the same as it use to. [/QUOTE]Last several times I have eaten then I have gotten diarrhea, all the time. Truth!

Thursday.

I have no idea what time it was, I just remember my boy knocking on my door waking me up saying his chica cooked breakfast. I wake up my chica, we wash up and head to the kitchen, new guy is no where to be found. I go to knock on his door and hear him in there getting his last one in. Ok, cool, I guess she's his breakfast. I'm talking to my boy about loosing power and he had no idea, I'm asking him if the girls went home and came back, he has no idea. So I ask my chica if she went home and came back, she said no she just stayed. We finish eating and the chicas take the dishes to wash then and Newbie comes out wit his chica. She's all smiles and giggling, I don't even want to ask so I just shake my head laughing and point to the food. Apparently she helped him pack up and he was ready to go, it now about 12 noon. Its just then Newbie ask if his Covid test is still good and I realize he took the test Sunday and its Thursday, so I tell him to text back the number and tell them he needs another test ASAP. Surely enough they show up in an hour gives him the test and hes good to go but have to wait for the results. We all go out to chill by the pool, newbie is taking his last set of pictures for memories of his first experience and the bird is making noise again, he's trying to find it and his chica points it out to him on a light pole and he mumbles "fucking chupa huevo" everyone starts laughing. Its now almost 2 pm and now he understands the timing to get to the airport. He gets out, gets a cab and hes off once again (his chica is still here in the apartment).

He said once he realize the cab made the left turn to enter the airport he started looking for the 20 mil and found it before the cab made it over the first speed bump. When the cab stopped he says he paid the cab before they both got out, they then both got out and the cab driver handed him the suitcase, a guy came up to him and signaled for him to hand over the suitcase asking which airline and he told him thanks he got it. (he learned from the last time). He jumps on the Jet blue line and starts sending back pictures of some guy with a pink duffel bag with a pineapple on it asking if this wasn't the same guy that was in Space with a shirt that said "Tight" on it. I decide to give him departure remorse and send him a picture of his chica playing in the pool so stops texting for a while jajaja. Then he texts back once hes in the terminal waiting, saying the plane is leaving early. I ask him if he paid his chica he said "yea and gave her extra for taxi". Its whatever, I'm just going to let her chill along with my chica and my boys chica, they're getting along and just playing in the pool and on their phones doing stories.

Its now around 7 pm, girls still here, my boy decides to do something different and wants to walk over to Getsemeni by that circle place were all the locals and backpackers hang out. We all get ready and start walking over, the girls are in front of us leading the way and we are behind them just talking about random stuff when this one tout sees us and starts walking along side us, starts talking to us saying "girls, Delirium got girls, mucha chicas". I respond back with "tu bien, no chicas esta noche. Gracias". He's still following us so we cut across to the Space / Dolce side and hes now saying "Space its free, no covid" and he keeps constantly repeating it to the point of annoying my boy got so annoyed and said something to him in Spanish. I have no idea what he said but tout backed off and disappeared. We hang out or a bit, went in a few random places but didn't like the menus and just got drinks. We wouldn't dare touch the street food though, so we just listening to the live music and enjoying the crowd. Very relaxed environment, everyone is doing their own thing, no one bothering anyone, it was truly a break from the constant touts. We decide to just play it chill tonight and hang out in the apartment and walk back. My boy tells the girls "we just going to chill in the apartment tonight nothing crazy and if you want, you can hang out". We still hungry though so I just reorder Pizza with Rappi and we start walking back so by the time we get to the apartment the pizza will be arriving.

Newbie lands. He's texting, he's been waiting for his bag for like 20 minutes because they combined his bag carrousel with another flight from Grenada and they have tons of bags. I'm laughing because he had a carry on and should have put it in the overhead bin so I just send him a video of his chica playing in the pool again. He wants to know why she's still there, I tell him she's just hanging out. Pizza gets here, we start eating and start playing UNO, this time without shots (We learned from last time).

Usually I don't post detailed reports and just comment on things here and there based on my experience, but trying to teach the new guy and encountering the Sosua travel group I just had to post the report. It just goes to show just because someone reads reports and watches youtube videos of what happens in CTG does not make them an expert once they arrive. It took multiple times of me telling the new guy why I don't go into Delirium, he didn't get it when the chicas was telling him 800 mil, he didn't get it when he got outbid, but he finally got it when he had beer bellies rubbing up against him. The size of the boat, him trying to do social media out in the middle of the islands, customary things he needs to be aware of, why we don't do certain things in the day time, etc. All things he now knows because he had to see it first hand and it will make his next visit better.

I'm back state side now. Until the next adventure!

[QUOTE=Nypher;2599765]Usually I don't post detailed reports and just comment on things here and there based on my experience, [/QUOTE]Thanks for posting detailed reports. They were very informative and enjoyable. Much better than just I picked up a hot chick from DV and fucked her six ways to Sunday.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2599765]Thursday.
Until the next adventure![/QUOTE]I enjoyed reading the adventures! The newbie caught on fast. I have a vet as a wingman however, he seems to continuously think like a newbie.
You can lead a horse to pasture but you cant make it drink. Sometimes you got to let guys bump their heads as long as theyre not killing themselves.

Can anybody suggest a English speaking guy in Cartagena who I can contact for help. Do not mind paying him for services like help with accommodation, girls, tours etc. I can speak passable Spanish but really need English speaking guy.

You can PM me with name and number. Booked to go in November. First visit to Cartagena although been to other cities in Colombia.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2599765]Thursday.

I have no idea what time it was, I just remember my boy knocking on my door waking me up saying his chica cooked breakfast. I wake up my chica, we wash up and head to the kitchen, new guy is no where to be found. I go to knock on his door and hear him in there getting his last one in. Ok, cool, I guess she's his breakfast. I'm talking to my boy about loosing power and he had no idea, I'm asking him if the girls went home and came back, he has no idea. So I ask my chica if she went home and came back, she said no she just stayed. We finish eating and the chicas take the dishes to wash then and Newbie comes out wit his chica. She's all smiles and giggling, I don't even want to ask so I just shake my head laughing and point to the food. Apparently she helped him pack up and he was ready to go, it now about 12 noon. Its just then Newbie ask if his Covid test is still good and I realize he took the test Sunday and its Thursday, so I tell him to text back the number and tell them he needs another test ASAP. Surely enough they show up in an hour gives him the test and hes good to go but have to wait for the results. We all go out to chill by the pool, newbie is taking his last set of pictures for memories of his first experience and the bird is making noise again, he's trying to find it and his chica points it out to him on a light pole and he mumbles "fucking chupa huevo" everyone starts laughing. Its now almost 2 pm and now he understands the timing to get to the airport. He gets out, gets a cab and hes off once again (his chica is still here in the apartment).

He said once he realize the cab made the left turn to enter the airport he started looking for the 20 mil and found it before the cab made it over the first speed bump. When the cab stopped he says he paid the cab before they both got out, they then both got out and the cab driver handed him the suitcase, a guy came up to him and signaled for him to hand over the suitcase asking which airline and he told him thanks he got it. (he learned from the last time). He jumps on the Jet blue line and starts sending back pictures of some guy with a pink duffel bag with a pineapple on it asking if this wasn't the same guy that was in Space with a shirt that said "Tight" on it. I decide to give him departure remorse and send him a picture of his chica playing in the pool so stops texting for a while jajaja. Then he texts back once hes in the terminal waiting, saying the plane is leaving early. I ask him if he paid his chica he said "yea and gave her extra for taxi". Its whatever, I'm just going to let her chill along with my chica and my boys chica, they're getting along and just playing in the pool and on their phones doing stories.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Nypher. Enjoyed your trip report and hopefully some day we can meet up in Cartagena. I am planning a trip in Next 2 month. I was there in March and had a blast. Enjoyed Cholon island and island hopping also.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2599803]Can anybody suggest a English speaking guy in Cartagena who I can contact for help. Do not mind paying him for services like help with accommodation, girls, tours etc. I can speak passable Spanish but really need English speaking guy.

You can PM me with name and number. Booked to go in November. First visit to Cartagena although been to other cities in Colombia.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Reach out to OneFireBoy and he is local in Cartagena. Speaks very good English and can help you with pretty much everything. During my last visit we meet up and he was very helpful. You can PM him or me and I can share the number with you.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2599803]Can anybody suggest a English speaking guy in Cartagena who I can contact for help. Do not mind paying him for services like help with accommodation, girls, tours etc. I can speak passable Spanish but really need English speaking guy.

You can PM me with name and number. Booked to go in November. First visit to Cartagena although been to other cities in Colombia.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/member.php?655424-OnFireBoy[/URL]

I eat pargo or mojara. I'm just not a fan of Sierra taste too much like fish. I'm in Louisiana now with no fucking power but I've got a ticket to CRT a week from Saturday. The airport is open and I was good time and for a trip.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2599150]Spanish Mackerel is not like Tuna. Not at all, it's a mackerel, but not the stinky type. Actually more like a cross between halibut and swordfish. Also used in Sushi a lot.[/QUOTE]

Hello,

I have scrolled down several pages and not able to find info, so apologies if this is a repeat.

Does anyone have a list of girl friendly buildings (Airbnb) and hotels in Cartagena?

Also, if anyone else is in town, would be great to link up and socialize!

[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2600527]Hello,

I have scrolled down several pages and not able to find info, so apologies if this is a repeat.

Does anyone have a list of girl friendly buildings (Airbnb) and hotels in Cartagena?

Also, if anyone else is in town, would be great to link up and socialize![/QUOTE]Oz Hotel in Bocagrande is the only one I can think of that is a guest friendly hotel. As for AirBB which is the better option due to more privacy and full kitchen (this is a major plus when you run into a chica that can cook her ass off), you will have to do the legwork, read the house rules carefully and see if they say no guests or no visitors. If they do not say that then contact the host and ask them straight out if they allow visitors or over night guests, as long as you don't mess the place up or get the cops involved things will go fine.

How's the curfew situation? Is it still at 2 am?

And is ISIS club open? That's not for me, but I got a 2nd timer who wants to see the strip club scene.

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2600555]How's the curfew situation? Is it still at 2 am?

And is ISIS club open? That's not for me, but I got a 2nd timer who wants to see the strip club scene.[/QUOTE]Curfew is still 2 am - 5 am.

ISIS is open, I walked by there many nights and was surprised to see the doors open. We had zero desire to go inside because Space and Dolce was right across the street with a larger variety where we don't have to pay bar fines or onsite fees. Sometimes we didn't even have to go inside of any establishment as tons of chicas were constantly walking by outside as they they usually walk in a waypoint pattern from Delirium, up and around and down to Space / Dolce then to down the clock tower then back up to Delirium to continue the pattern.

Your second timer may walk into ISIS then walk right back out and cross the street into Space or Dolce. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2600582]Curfew is still 2 am - 5 am.

ISIS is open, I walked by there many nights and was surprised to see the doors open. We had zero desire to go inside because Space and Dolce was right across the street with a larger variety where we don't have to pay bar fines or onsite fees. Sometimes we didn't even have to go inside of any establishment as tons of chicas were constantly walking by outside as they they usually walk in a waypoint pattern from Delirium, up and around and down to Space / Dolce then to down the clock tower then back up to Delirium to continue the pattern.

Your second timer may walk into ISIS then walk right back out and cross the street into Space or Dolce. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. You damn right he going to walk inside by himself. I'm going to wait for him outside taking numbers. Some people have to learn the hard way.

BTW, your trip past were legendary. Thanks for all that. I knew about a lot of what you mentioned but I didn't know about the lemonade. Not that I tried it, but one restaurant served agua de Panela (sugar cane water) that they make and I would drink it every morning. Had runs every morning and had no idea why. I thought it was the mangos I ate every morning. Now I know why. I'll buy the sugar cane cubes myself and make it myself like I do at home now.

One more question, I assume you stayed in El Centro for your trip. Where is that bank you used that had the 900 mil limit? Across the street on Venezuela Ave?

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2600708]Thanks for the info. You damn right he going to walk inside by himself. I'm going to wait for him outside taking numbers. Some people have to learn the hard way.

BTW, your trip past were legendary. Thanks for all that. I knew about a lot of what you mentioned but I didn't know about the lemonade. Not that I tried it, but one restaurant served agua de Panela (sugar cane water) that they make and I would drink it every morning. Had runs every morning and had no idea why. I thought it was the mangos I ate every morning. Now I know why. I'll buy the sugar cane cubes myself and make it myself like I do at home now.

One more question, I assume you stayed in El Centro for your trip. Where is that bank you used that had the 900 mil limit? Across the street on Venezuela Ave?[/QUOTE]Its also the Ice in the drinks. Many make the ice with tap water and if the travelers stomach is not accustom to the water, when that ice starts to melt in the drink its time to spend some time on the toilet. The only time I would take a drink with ice is when alcohol was in there.

Yes, that's the one, across from Centro Uno in that triangle shaped area before the multi level Exito is on Venezuela Ave.

The machine on the right was the one with the 900 mil limit, the one one the left didn't work for me.

It gives a better rate than exchanging currency at the cambio but then depending on your bank, your bank may hit you with a ATM transaction fee of $10+ per transaction so it can add up quickly.

Scotiabank has no fees find a Scotiabank.

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2600708]Thanks for the info. You damn right he going to walk inside by himself. I'm going to wait for him outside taking numbers. Some people have to learn the hard way.

BTW, your trip past were legendary. Thanks for all that. I knew about a lot of what you mentioned but I didn't know about the lemonade. Not that I tried it, but one restaurant served agua de Panela (sugar cane water) that they make and I would drink it every morning. Had runs every morning and had no idea why. I thought it was the mangos I ate every morning. Now I know why. I'll buy the sugar cane cubes myself and make it myself like I do at home now.

One more question, I assume you stayed in El Centro for your trip. Where is that bank you used that had the 900 mil limit? Across the street on Venezuela Ave?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnknownGuy;2600708]but one restaurant served agua de Panela (sugar cane water) that they make and I would drink it every morning. Had runs every morning and had no idea why. [/QUOTE]As Nypher said, your gut is not used to the local bacteria. You should always keep probiotic in your toiletry kit with your other medicines. You can find it at Walmart or your local pharmacy over the counter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2600902]As Nypher said, your gut is not used to the local bacteria. You should always keep probiotic in your toiletry kit with your other medicines. You can find it at Walmart or your local pharmacy over the counter.[/QUOTE]Yep. Started taking my probiotics a few weeks ago. I'll be good by my next trip.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2600898]Scotiabank has no fees find a Scotiabank.[/QUOTE]Good looking thanks.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2600839]Its also the Ice in the drinks. Many make the ice with tap water and if the travelers stomach is not accustom to the water, when that ice starts to melt in the drink its time to spend some time on the toilet. The only time I would take a drink with ice is when alcohol was in there.

Yes, that's the one, across from Centro Uno in that triangle shaped area before the multi level Exito is on Venezuela Ave.

The machine on the right was the one with the 900 mil limit, the one one the left didn't work for me.

It gives a better rate than exchanging currency at the cambio but then depending on your bank, your bank may hit you with a ATM transaction fee of $10+ per transaction so it can add up quickly.[/QUOTE]Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2600898]Scotiabank has no fees find a Scotiabank.[/QUOTE]That bank is a Scotiabank and you are correct they do not charge. However, the mongers bank may charge them depending on who their bank is.

For example: Chase charged me $2.50 for using an non Chase ATM + $5 for withdrawing foreign money + 3% for the foreign exchange fee which came out to around $11 per transaction.

The lowest fee bank I've found is TD bank at $3 but hardly any branches in my local area to persuade me to open an account unlike Chase or Bank of America who are practically on every street corner like Walgreens and CVS. Jajajaja.

Seems so hard to get good answer, I think I watched every video on youtube and called 15 locations, like talking to the wall. Trying to find a nice hotel or Apartment near Dolce Vita that is visitor friendly. The Cova House Cartagena looks very nice but cannot get a response from property manager. I need at least 2 bedrooms. Looked at Hotel El Viajero and it seems guest friendly, but not as nice as I would like. I do not want to travel to BocaGrande. If anybody has any good recommendations for a $75 to $150 per night rooms within a few minute walk of Dolce Vita for this coming weekend. I want clean bed, hot water, water pressure, AC, safe in room, clean bathroom, locking doors. I stayed a 2 months ago at an Airbnb which was not my favorite. Thanks in advance.

My first post didn't post. I'm looking for something like the old Del Rey or Presidente in Costa Rica, or Castillo in Medellin. Some that has hot water, AC, a safe, 2 bedrooms, clean beds. Hotel or AirBnB, preferably within a few minute walk of Dolce Vita. Hotel El Viajero looks okay but would prefer something nicer, hard to confirm with anyone if it visitor friendly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm going the 10-12th of September.

Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.

So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested.

She just about passes the probationary period. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights? I tell her she doesn't have to stay, she then decides she might have made a mistake.

However, there is a secondary prob. She has spent 260 K of her 200 k shopping budget in the first two days. So I tell her I am only giving her 40 K tomorrow, and she is not happy. Again I tell her she can leave if she wants to. Again she calms down. Then after a while, she starts telling me where she wants to go tomorrow, and what he wants to buy. I tell her three times, "We will go where I want, because this my holiday". By the time she tells me the fourth time, I've had enough. I've already paid her that day, I pay her for tomorrow and tell her goodbye. She then demands 20000 for taxi fare. We are actually in a bar about 60 metres from the hostel she is staying in!

I leave and move to another bar. A few minutes she shows up. I break one of the golden rules of mongering, "never drink from an open glass". This is about 9. 20 pm I remember telling her to leave me alone. I'd had 3 beers up to then. The next thing I remember was her and another woman pushing me out of a taxi at 4. 00 AM. My Credit and Debit cards, Digital Camera, Phone and spectacles are all missing. I think she doped my drink. If I were that drunk, I'd have had big hangover in the morning, but I felt no after effects.

Now I have huge problems. I am effectively incommunicado. I don't have a phone, and I can't see to use my laptop, I don't speak the language and I need help from someone nearby who does. I somehow am able to type a message on the laptop, giving my wife a brief "what happened" and asking her to contact my Airbnb host who speaks excellent English.

I explain to host what has happened, and that I need to get my phone back. She comes to the apartment. At my request, she sends a message to my phone offering 250 k reward, no questions asked. She also lets me phone my wife using whatspp, Wife arranges to cancel the cards, block the phone at the end of 24 hours waiting for a reply, Host also has a pair of "reader" glasses which she gives me so that I can get some use out of the laptop.

The wife says she will send €500 via Western Union. I go to WU to collect which is in an Internet Cafe. They ask me for code no, and passport. I give them both, They copy the passport. Click a few buttons on a computer, then tell me "no". It's not there. I assume the wife has forgotten to click the same day option, so I go back the next day. Still not arrived. I can't get an explanation or advice on what to do next because nobody speaks English. My host suggests I should try the local main office for WU, and at the third attempt I am successful. I later discover that though there are plenty of WU franchises in Cartagena, very few have resources to pay out much more than $250 US, but will never tell you this for fear of losing face.

I still have cash in the apartment, but I need the €500 to buy new specs. Not sure how much they will cost, but in DUB, my prescription, frames etc are about €350, and having bought new specs in Pattaya several years earlier, I found that there was little difference in price.

The show must go on. I am on the prowl and I see this extremely pretty girl who is with a fat ugly old hag. She was so ugly, she abuses the privilege, It turns out that there are aunt and niece and come from Barranquilla which is some distance from Cartagena. They will only work as a team. Pickings are slim. I do like the pretty one very much. Only the witch can speak English. I eventually agree to pay the pair 400 k, with the idea of sticking "ugly" in the spare bedroom. Across from the apartment, is an all-night supermarket. We get in a few beers and some snacks. The witch puts a bottle of 18 yr old Scotch in the basket. I remove it. They still manage to run up a bill of $60. We drink and smoke on the balcony, and to their credit, they are good fun. After a couple of hours, bed time, but the pretty one develops a bad attack of the starfish, Washout.

The next night I meet a stunning black girl, who looks like a very dark version of Diahann Carrol at her beautiful best. Back to apartment. Do the deed. Go to sleep. Wake up to find she is not there. Nothing missing. I've already paid her. No worries. I wake up later and she is sleeping alongside me. But this time when I look, the spare cash is gone. About 200 K. I wake her asking for an explanation, and it turns out, she has had a door to door delivery of cocaine. The cheek of the girl, to steal and remain at the scene of the crime. And maybe she has thought this through? If there is a confrontation and the police are called, the drugs are now in my apartment. Get rid of her with minimal fuss.

At this stage, there will be those who will ask, "Why don't you hide your money"? There are two reasons. The first is that I've never needed to in TH etc. The second is that the building has a steel gate which is deadlocked by a key. I don't want her to see where I am hiding my money because she might find the entire stash, so I hide the key instead. Unless she is prepared to drop down from the balcony, then she is going nowhere. So when I wake up and she's not in the apartment, I presume she has jumped off the 1st floor balcony.

The next night, while still waiting for my cash from WU, it is belting down a very wet and windy storm, and I am lurking at the Clock Tower, which is the main RLD. I bump into the hag and her niece again. I buy them a beer as a friendly gesture. There are very few customers about, and they tell me that they cannot get back to Barranquilla and have nowhere to sleep the night. Can they stay in the spare room? I tell them I am looking for company for the night. They offer themselves. A polite no thank you because "I never stay with same girl twice" is the excuse I give them. But if I find a girl that doesn't mind, they can stay in the spare room. They tell me they know a girl who might fit the bill, and show me a pic on their phone. They say she is aged 22. They give her a call. An agreement is struck. 300 K is agreed. We arrange to meet her back at my place. I tell the pair if they clean up the apartment and do my laundry, I will give 100 K in morning. Stop off at the supermarket again. Another trolley load, this time for $100. But there will be four of us eating and drinking.

While we are waiting for the other girl to arrive, the hag approaches me and says I should pay her the money as the girl had a habit of promising to stay all night, and then leaving after an hour. That's a legally grey area, because the chances are that if you stop her from leaving, you will probably be committing some type of crime. I smell scam. I suspect that they will only give the girl part of the money. I intend to tell her how much I paid. The girl arrives by cab. We spend some more balcony time, before I take the girl to the room. This girl, Elena, is positively the real deal. I make her the offer 250 k a day plus shopping trips for the remainder of my stay using the hag's google translate. She accepts.

I wake up in the morning smile on my face. The apartment is tidy and my laundry is hanging out to dry. A couple of hours later, the pair are awake. I give the hag100 k and then she goes into one, insisting that I had agreed to pay them for their "company" and they only did the cleaning as a favour. I think best to give them another 50 K I produce the cash. She takes it and she still wants more. Eventually, I tell her "Another 50 K. Take it and go. If she does not accept, I will keep the money. She refuses, but so far she has taken 150 k.

I want to call the police, but I can't because I have no phone. Looking out from the balcony, I see a couple passing by. All of us are trying to attract the cops. They stand under the balcony, while the pair shout something to them in Spanish. They get on the radio, and over the next 20 minutes another 6 cops show up. This is beginning to look like Waco. Eventually one cop seeks access. The hag and the niece spend about 10 minutes telling the cop their version. The cop does not speak English so we are left to the tender mercies of Google translate. At one stage I say, "She is talking Garbage" and it comes back as "She is talking gay boy". Cringeeeeeeee! The cop having heard their version and without waiting for my input, tells me I have to pay them 400 k, because they have told him I agreed to pay them for 400 k for "company".

I now try to tell him via Google translate, my version including that I have already given them 150 k. They deny this. I tell him they should be searched. He asks them to open their bags, where he finds the 300 k due to Elena. When she hears what this money is for, she is clearly surprised, She realises that she has been scammed by them too, but says nothing. The reason for her silence becomes clear a bit later.

I tell the cop, that they have hidden the money somewhere about their person, and that they should be searched by a female officer. It appears that he is totally unaware that women might possibly have orifices where small items such as banknotes might be hidden. The niece then pulls down the top of her dress and lifts her bra up to show her exposed breasts. The cop is very happily satisfied with this display of "honesty".

The cop refuses to call for a female cop, and is still insisting that I must pay 400 k. I refuse, and then try to appeal to his reason. Big mistake. I ask him how much he would pay a woman to clean his apartment and do his laundry for a couple of hours work? Police basic salaries in Colombia are $330 per month. He tells me 250 k (about $68 US). I ask him does he live in Buckingham Palace, but the sarcasm is lost on him.

I try a new tack. They have Tourist Police in TH, and they have a reputation for protecting tourists from predatory behaviour including that of other cops. In addition, they usually work in pairs when one speaks English and the other, German, Maybe if we can get someone who speaks English involved I will get some justice. I tell the cop, "Call the Tourist Police, and I will accept whatever decision they make". He refuses, and tells me that if I won't pay them 400 k, we will all have to go down "the nick" and we will be in there a long time. I hold my wrists out suggesting he should put the handcuffs. He pulls out the cuffs, shows them to me, and then puts them back in their pouch. I've called his bluff. This has been going on for an hour by now. Eventually, he does call the TP. When two arrive my first question I ask is, "Do you speak English". Both say "So so". Better than nothing I think.

Turns out they can only really communicate via Google translate. Oh dear! So all parties give a total rehash of the events. The TP tell me that if we go to the police station, it is "Two against one, and you will not be believed". I point out that as only the hag can can speak English, whatever the other says, can at best, only be what the hag has told her, and is thus hearsay. Again, I offer my wrists for cuffing.

The three cops have a conflab, and take a new approach and ask for passports and ID cards. All are produced including Elena's. Eventually, the TP cops come back to me and tell me. "Give them another 100 K". I am not happy, but I naively said I would be bound by their decision, so I pay up.

The hag and the niece are dismissed, but Elena remains. As they are leaving, I see them with a carrier bag full of the unused groceries from the night before that I had paid for. I try to take these back telling the cops that I paid for these. The cops ask me for the receipt, which I left in the shop. I ask the cops where is "their receipt" but the cops wave them on. FFS! All this because I thought I was helping the pair with somewhere to stay on a stormy night.

Now the cops tell me that Elena is either an asylum seeker, or an illegal immigrant from Venezuela. I can't quite work out which. According to them, I have committed a serious crime in having such a girl in my apartment. They want $500 to "fix the problem". I tell them that as Elena does not speak English, and I don't Spanish, how could I even know she was from VZ? Another police conflab, and they now tell me that she will be arrested for deportation as an illegal. Suddenly she becomes a pawn in this new game. They again offer to "fix the problem". I don't want to see her become too.

I have about 600 k in cash in my pockets. The rest is stashed. $500 is about 1. 7 mill Colombian. I tell them about my recent drugging / robbery and tell them I only have 600 K. I eventually beat them down to 300 K which they divide among the three of them and they leave.

Elena and I start communicating on Google Translate on the laptop using type. No chance of unintentional slurs. It turns out that Elena is not an illegal, but has an ID card as a refugee, but is not allowed to work. She is also aged 19. She thanks me for rescuing her from deportation. She tells me that she has been in Colombia since she was 15 and the hag and niece have been pimping her out all that time. They tell her that they have a customer for her for say 150 k, but don't disclose they are getting twice that amount and keeping half for themselves. They tell her that by them getting payment, there is no chance that the customer can rob her, and she has accepted this line. They also tell her that they have known all her customers a long time, so she will be safe.

We are using the laptop in the bedroom because it is the most convenient place. After a while I start to sense a change of vibe. I have, as is my habit, put my cash on the bedside table. This is the 300 K that the police did not take. She suggests that I take a shower, and then she will take one. I ask why not together? I think I know where this is going. Eventually, she agrees that she will have the first shower, during which time, I stash the cash, just leaving 50 K in view. We have our showers, and when I come out, the 50 K is gone. She tells me she must go to the supermarket to buy phone credit. I open the security gate for her. I go back up to the apartment and see her trying to stop a taxi. She succeeds after a couple of minutes, and I decide that I got off lightly.

Remember, this is the girl who I have just saved from deportation at a cost of 300 k and who I also put wise to the fact that she was being scammed for 150 k which she able to recover. She is on a promise of 250 k a day for the duration, which even if she goes back to being scammed, is still 100 k more than she was getting. Then there are the shopping trips.

A couple of thoughts occur to me. The first is the Goldwyism, "A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on". However, more salient is the story of the "Scorpion and the Frog". Four meetings, and four times the Scorpions have struck. And like the Scorpion in the tale, they just can't help themselves. They will sting even when it's against their best interests to do so. That whole incident has cost me over 1. 1 mill Colombian, or about $300 USD /€250.

Now I've had enough. I decide that this is now the time to get the hell out of here. Tomorrow, when I get my cash from WU, I will be booking a flight home. I get my cash from WU at the third attempt by going to their main branch in Cartagena, thanks to the assistance of Alberto, a friend of my Airbnb host.

I try to contact to KLM to use the unexpired part of my ticket as part-payment, but all can find is a "FAQ" link which does not cover my problem. I don't have plastic so can't buy the ticket online, and I can't ask my wife to do so, because it has to be co-ordinated with both a new PCR test and a MIGform linked to the specific flight I am leaving on. Migform is basically a permission to enter an leave the country.

Travelling from S. America, I don't have the same rights if I fail to make the flight for a refund that I would have if I missed the flight as I would have if it were in the EU. I recall that my Airbnb's host's sister is a Travel agent. She agrees to take care of everything for me. This is by now Tuesday, and she can get me on a KLM flight for Thursday. The price is 5. 1 million Colombian, nearly €1200. Still there is the prob that I don't have cards, and her office is closed due to CV. The only way I can make payment is into a bank account, and she has given me the details.

I contact the wife and ask her to send another €800 so I have enough cash to pay, as well as make sure I have some reserves in case something else goes wrong. By now I have bought a cheap phone, and arranged to let her phone ring twice, and she will call me back so I don't have to keep buying credit for the phone. She phones me back. I tell her what I need. She sends the money online via WU and phones me to let me know. Alberto is again drafted in to assist. We go to WU, and are told the money was sent, but then cancelled by WU. It turns out that for obvious reasons, Colombia is a high risk country as far as WU is concerned and anyone sending two quick successive payments there is subject to vetting.

They ask her to scan her ID document so they can verify her ID. There is a problem here. My wife is Japanese, and when we married, she failed to notify the Japanese Embassy. Her parents did so notifying their local town hall. When my wife went to renew her passport, they had hyphenated our surnames. However, when she opened a bank account in Ireland, she just used her married name. The names did not match exactly, so WU initially withheld the payment, and then later cancelled it completely. Alberto acting as interpreter tells me that the payment was cancelled by WU. Just about the same time, my wife phones me to tell me the same.

This is about 4 pm local time, but 10 pm in DUB. The only other thing I can think of, is that instead the money online through WU, she should go to the WU which is run by the Post Office in Ireland, the following morning. First, she needs to go the bank to draw cash.

She phones me the following morning to say it's done. The difference in fees between paying online is €37.50. It's €2. 50 to do it online, but €40 to pay cash at the PO. Alberto is again drafted in. We collect the cash from WU, go to the bank and pay it into the Travel agency account. The agent has booked an appointment for the PCR test and completed the Migform for me. Alberto takes me to the test centre. Ticket and Migform are sent to my laptop. I take Alberto for a good lunch, a few beers and give him 150 k for his troubles. He is delighted. I've made up the balance for the ticket from the reserves in my stash.

Now alI need to do is wait for the PCR results, and I am pretty confident that in just over 30 hours time I will be on a plane. What could possibly go wrong? Not much as it happens, but it tries. I decide I am going to have one last drink in Getsemane. It really is a beautiful district and resembles pics I have seen of Havana, another place on my bucket list. However, I am adamant that there will be no more women for me knowing what I've suffered so far.

So I am about to leave the bar at closing time, and as I leave, there is Angela from my first couple of nights. She sees me. Lets out a whoop and a big smile, and I immediately turn back into the bar to get away from her. She follows me. During my stay in the bar, I have bought the barman a couple of beers. He immediately understands the situation and comes from behind the bar to cut her off and tells her to go. He locks the door. I wait 10 minutes and when I leave she is gone. Taxi home and tomorrow I leave.

Have a shower, and go to sleep. About 3. 30, I am woken by a couple of loud bangs. I work out it is someone thowing stones at the apartment to get my attention. I go to the balcony, and there in all her beauty is the coke-snorting "Diahann Carroll". I really cannot believe that both these Scorpions think I will again carry them across the stormy river. I tell her "Vamos". She says something imploringly in Spanish, but I go back inside and watch her through a chink in the curtain. After a couple of minutes, she decides to leave and she is joined by a man who seems to have been hiding in the shadows. Hmmm? Do you think she wanted a threesome?

I go back to bed, and when I awake my PCR test is ready. Negative. I am good to go. I have ordered a taxi for 3. 00 pm. At the airport, I need to get rid of my Pesos. I go to to the only money changing kiosk in the airport, and see the rates. I have been getting 3500 to the USD, and 4200 to the Euro. They are offering 2700/3500. I ask for Euros, but the teller tells me he only had USD. I don't believe him, but I am unlikely to be able to change Pesos in Ireland so I accept his paltry offer.

Just when I think I've witnessed the last act of petty larceny that I am likely to suffer, there is still one more event. I am going through the X-ray search, and I have about 10 k in small coins. That's about $2. 75. What I normally do is deposit these in the charity box at the departing airport where they are normally collecting for kids. I empty the change into the X-ray box. I ask the cop who is watching me, if there is a charity box. He tells me yes, and offers to take care of it for me. I give him the coins. As well as the cop, there are four female search team workers. He then goes round to each of them saying "Caridad. Caridad" (Spanish for "charity") and they all have a fit of the giggles as he distributes the money among the five of them. Temperate language defies what I really want to say about this.

So time for a bit of introspection. How could it all have gone so disastrously wrong at nearly every twist and turn? I have to take some of the blame because it appears that most Colombians are venal and dishonest, and apparently your chances of becoming a victim increase, the less Spanish you know. All I really know are the courtesies, so I was unknowingly walking around with a target on my back.

I also was naive enough to rely on my experiences from SEA, and Thailand in particular. I always try to avoid cynicism in my dealings with the locals, especially in TH. I've found that most people will respond positively if you treat them with fairness and respect. As an example, when I've dealt with a girl in TH, the most common price I've been quoted is "Up to you". I realise that this is coming from a position of weakness on their part, but I don't want the girl to spend the night wondering if I am going to abuse that weakness. So my habit is not to mention a price, but instead take them direct to my "loom" and pay them in advance, asking them, "Is this OK"? Never had a refusal yet or demand for more money with that practice.

As soon as she says "yes", we leave the room, where I feed her, take her bar-hopping and if I see a street vendor selling a nice dress, or if she has kids, I buy her a gift (s) like a teddy bear, and not the cheapest either. Then it's back to the room at the end of the night for her to fulfill her part of the bargain. If she passes the "job interview", I ask her to stay. Then it's repeat and rinse for the duration. In Pattaya, any relationship that lasts more than three days, can be considered "long term". I've had multiple cases of 10+ days with a single girl. I've even had the girl from the last trip coming to meet and greet me at BKK airport when I've returned several months later.

The only examples of bad behaviour I've encountered in TH, was one girl I paid in advance who when I took her to get something to eat, did a runner. If it's going to happen, better it happens before I really start to trust her. One other girl, who I bumped into about six months after a previous visit: By now she was about six months pregnant and claimed I was the father. I explained about DNA and amniocentesis. I also explained that I contracted Mumps as a child, and there was a 50/50 chance of sterility, and that I was on the wrong side of that metric. "Do you really want to undergo an amnio"? She backed off.

As with Colombia, my habit is always to empty the remains of the day's cash from my pockets and it is in full view of my guest. I've never lost a satong yet. That speaks very well for the Thai ladies. The only conclusion I can come to is that the TH ladies lack the minds of Scorpions, and I cannot emphasise how grateful I am for the happiness that these attitudes have given me.

So if the question is, "Do I wait until TH has reopened, or go to Colombia where you don't even need a PCR test or to quarantine"? My answer is avoid Colombia like the plague. But if you are going to ignore my advice, then at least learn sufficient Spanish to reduce the size of the target on your back, that all Gringos carry. And if you have a cynical attitude towards the "ladies" in TH, and I know quite a few do, then I think you should really try Colombia to get a sense of perspective.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2595977]You know that negv tests are not required for Colombia?[/QUOTE]Yes I was aware, but I needed it to be able to board my flight from DUB to AMS with both Ireland and Holland requiring negative tests.

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[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights?...
I tell her three times, "We will go where I want, because this my holiday". By the time she tells me the fourth time, I've had enough. I've already paid her that day, I pay her for tomorrow and tell her goodbye.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Seems like I VAGUELY remember telling you that was not a good idea. Also seems I said something about discarding advice to your own detriment because you do not like how it was said.

Spoon feed them hoes. Don't push their chair up to a buffet counter.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]My answer is avoid Colombia like the plague. But if you are going to ignore my advice, [/QUOTE]LOL. But since you ignored my advice...! Why even ask advice if you are just looking for confirmation of the idea you already have in your head. Of course folks always have to learn the hard way. Can ask and have answered 1 million questions all for naught, because after millions of years of human existence, experience remains the best teacher. Great report!

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]The Holiday in Hell[/QUOTE]Great report!

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]So if the question is, "Do I wait until TH has reopened, or go to Colombia where you don't even need a PCR test or to quarantine"? My answer is avoid Colombia like the plague. But if you are going to ignore my advice, then at least learn sufficient Spanish to reduce the size of the target on your back, that all Gringos carry. And if you have a cynical attitude towards the "ladies" in TH, and I know quite a few do, then I think you should really try Colombia to get a sense of perspective.[/QUOTE]First off accolades for such a great trip report. But the accolade is for sharing what you experienced, a lot of guys would of been to embarrassed to share what you went thru, and there will be posters who will chastise you.

Colombia for many is a wet dream beyond belief. Kind of like hitting a grand slam home run at times. You struck out multiple times, and your correct about speaking Spanish, without it your hosed in my book, but some may disagree with me, but you get it.

And as far as waiting for Thailand to re-open, I'm not holding my breath that it wii even really open up next year, so maybe you should start studying Spanish and return to Colombia.

But don't go to Cartagena, it's probably the most expensive place to monger in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.[/QUOTE]Was it Forest Gump who said it best "Stupid is as stupid does".

I think you would do great living here in Colombia as you love the drama and you can find plenty of it here in Colombia to write many more posts on your exploits, hehehehe.

It's reports and reviews like these as to why Cartagena has turned into a dump-land to find decent chicas.

Much love and respect to all!

The Tall Man (still shaking my head no, no, no).

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033] Holiday in Hell[/QUOTE]Crazy report, I even got late to a meeting cause I could not stop reading.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.

So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested.

She just about passes the probationary period. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights? I tell her she doesn't have to stay, she then decides she might have made a mistake..[/QUOTE]A very long report of many things that could have been avoided if you only took the time to acknowledge and understand what posters like Mr. E and myself were trying to tell you over a month ago before you even got on the plane in DUB. Posters like us who have been there multiple times made the mistakes, or have seen the mistakes being made, therefore we pass on the preventive information so fresh gringos who arrive do not repeat them but you threw it all out the window. The fact that were were there solo those girls took full advantage.

We repeatedly told you Colombia is not Thailand. I myself, said I can black out in Thailand in a club and a girl will make sure I get back to my hotel room and when I wake up, she's there, and nothing is missing but I would never, ever do that in Colombia. We repeatedly told you the culture down there is different with the working girls where most of them do not care about tomorrow or next week, they only care about what they can get from you at that moment in time on that night. They live day to day as evident of your first girl who spent all the money in 1 day. We told you a month long arrangement is not a good idea and I specifically said if this is done to make sure to send her ass home every day because you do not want her constantly around you. I've posted many times if the gringo get cops involved they will end up paying more than to just pay what the girl wanted. The cops and the girls work together to scam the gringos and trust me on this, they saw you coming even before you got on the plane in DUB. I mentioned no working girl is going to want 250 mil – 300 mil a day to be with you when she can get 800 mil by taking her change at the Clock Tower, the mindset is "you, the gringo is only here for a week or two at most, while the Clock Tower will forever be there with fresh gringos every night".

Angela did have the overpriced numbers right at $250 a day which is why I constantly said in my posts and reports always talk to them in pesos and make sure they know its pesos. We cannot say a number without the currency format as they automatically assume dollars. Then you paid her for the following day in advance to which she does not have to show up SMH.

The old hag and pretty niece was a red flag, never take on a team when solo especially when you have no interest in the other party.

Elena was not worried about you future intentions as she already got what she wanted from you and the next gringo is primes and ready for her.

You placed yourself in a very bad scenario, why the hell would you let two working girls sleep in the spare room while you take on a third? They out number you three to one and you cannot watch all three of them at all times. You left your money out in the open. Yes, we can do that in Thailand because most if not all are on their best behavior but not in Colombia. Those girls straight lied to you, they did have a place to sleep for the night but didn't want to pay. Over in Getsemeni are allot of Hostels where the girls who know each other will take a room, usually its four to a room (bunk beds) so they could had stayed at a hostel. I'm still laughing over here because they even cleaned out your fridge and took the groceries with them. They saw you coming from a mile away jajajaja.

There are only about 5 girls I know and trust who I always see when I return and this is because if they ask me for money to buy something I usually give them 50 mil or 100 mil because I need to break the big bills. They will always come back and put the change on the table where I can see it, even the coins, yes the freaking annoying coins I never want in my pockets.

The only thing that saved you from being cleaned out was that steel gate with the double cylinder lock that requires a key to open from the inside, at least you wasn't like someone I know who left the key inside the lock because they didn't want to loose it jajaja.

I cannot stop laughing! You did just about everything we said not to do jajajaja.

[QUOTE=PuraVida42;2601933]Seems so hard to get good answer, I think I watched every video on youtube and called 15 locations, like talking to the wall. Trying to find a nice hotel or Apartment near Dolce Vita that is visitor friendly. The Cova House Cartagena looks very nice but cannot get a response from property manager. I need at least 2 bedrooms. Looked at Hotel El Viajero and it seems guest friendly, but not as nice as I would like. I do not want to travel to BocaGrande. If anybody has any good recommendations for a $75 to $150 per night rooms within a few minute walk of Dolce Vita for this coming weekend. I want clean bed, hot water, water pressure, AC, safe in room, clean bathroom, locking doors. I stayed a 2 months ago at an Airbnb which was not my favorite. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You are asking for too much in such a small time frame.

Where do you think you will find girl friendly 2 bedrooms for $150 max close to the mongering hole with hot water and good pressure?

Hot water is not necessary, at this time of year the cold water is lukewarm and it will be madness to take a hot shower then step out in that humidity. Trust me on this, I had an apartment with boiling hot water and refused to use it because it was so damn hot once I stepped outside.

Your best bet at this short time frame will be a hotel.

We've been back and forth about all this before you left and now of course the predictable outcome-- You've offered someone basically $100 for a day. When the going rate is approximately $66 or $200 K whatever that is. What do you think is going to happen? What I suggest is is it is your cheap and a sucker which is a very bad combination. Disastrous trip is not much of a surprise to me in fact it's actually quite funny

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602046]Yes I was aware, but I needed it to be able to board my flight from DUB to AMS with both Ireland and Holland requiring negative tests.[/QUOTE]

Likewise we advised this fool and instead of listening to anybody he just went ahead and acted it out surprise. LOL. He's lucky it wasn't even worse. I'm not sure how it could have been he got drugged and screwed multiple times in the wrong way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602081]Hmm. Seems like I VAGUELY remember telling you that was not a good idea. Also seems I said something about discarding advice to your own detriment because you do not like how it was said.

Spoon feed them hoes. Don't push their chair up to a buffet counter.

LOL. But since you ignored my advice...! Why even ask advice if you are just looking for confirmation of the idea you already have in your head. Of course folks always have to learn the hard way. Can ask and have answered 1 million questions all for naught, because after millions of years of human existence, experience remains the best teacher. Great report![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write this up. It's been a while since I've been to Cartagena, but if I were traveling for the purpose of banging women, I'd take it head and shoulders over Bangkok. Hell, when in Bangkok I go to Spasso's looking for Colombians.

There are a lot of lessons in this, ones I forget from time to time. Like divide your ATM cards up in a couple of places so if you loose one you're not screwed. Don't leave money laying around. Watch your drinks. Don't wife up until you know you really click with someone and even then pay as you go. Try to avoid situations involving the police. And if you and the hookers can't communicate in a common language, you're probably not going to have a good time if mongering is your main focus.

I got a huge laugh out of this, "About 3. 30, I am woken by a couple of loud bangs. I work out it is someone thowing stones at the apartment to get my attention. I go to the balcony, and there in all her beauty is the coke-snorting "Diahann Carroll". I really cannot believe that both these Scorpions think I will again carry them across the stormy river. I tell her "Vamos". She says something imploringly in Spanish, but I go back inside and watch her through a chink in the curtain. "

You said "let's go. " She probably thought you wanted to have another go with her.

In large part from reading stories like this I've avoided nightmares. I put a link to your post in "Reports of Distinction. " Thanks for sharing this.

You can also send money to yourself using WA or WorldRemit. That way even if you do not have cards you can get it from Exito or supermarket giving the reference number and showing ID.

I do not think you are an experienced monger. Even in Thailand you need to be careful if you were doing the same things you did. I did some wifing up in Costa Rica many times with Colombians. Did tour everywhere. They were really beautiful. Two of them them had all my spending money in their purse (ofcourse bulk of the cash is in safe deposit along with passport, credit cards, I phone, anything valuable) I did pay at the end generously but not before.

Planning to go to Cartagena in November. Prefer staying in a hotel. I heard hotel OZ is girl visitor friendly. Reviews say do not get the cheapest room there. That one does not have a window.

Generally I never drink other than bottled beer in unknown places. Even then never out of my sight.

Enjoyed reading your report. A very good warning to people planning to party wildly without a wingman.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.[/QUOTE]I remember I asked where the best lobster place was in Cartagena and someone (I won't say who) was very unkind and dismissive to me in their response. I believe they told me to Google. I just returned from CTG and I had a blast to the point where I was depressed the last 2 days because I did not want to leave. The sole "bad" part of my trip was the lobster that I had at Playa Hollywood, very rubbery and forgettable. I will be back in Cartagena in October, I will take the suggestion of the person who I shall not name and google the best grilled lobster place in the city.

Hi,

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Has anyone ever used these services? It seems a bit pricy but if it's good we don't care. I've scoured most of the forums couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I will be in Cartagena at end of this month if anyone wants to meet up.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2602128]Likewise we advised this fool and instead of listening to anybody he just went ahead and acted it out surprise. [/QUOTE]As far as mongering is concerned. Mr E is always right and I will listen to him even he said something I don't want to hear. This has already been said to him before he came visit but he choose to listen to what he wants to hear and think something like robbery is not a concern. But it is a great report that can be made into a movie.

My post is not to criticize Dublin, but I think people should listen to what Mr E says. I think he can have a youtube channel and charge for his advices that we get here for free.

The cultural difference between Asia and the Americas is something a friend of mine talked about before. He said he could leave his sunglasses on a train in Japan and come back a week later and find them there. No one would steal his glasses he told me. The irony is that in Japan around the same time there was a company pushing bonds that were fraudulently valued in order to save the honor of the company. The notion then that there was no stealing in Japan was BS. It was just going on at the highest level. China has no debt on its national balance sheet. They just push it down to the state and city level. I am not sure then that I find the notion of the citizens not stealing while the government and huge corporations do that refreshing.

On an individual basis, I have been impressed with the intelligence, kindness, and work ethic of the Colombians I have met. Given how rich Colombia is in resources, I have asked why it is so poor, and everyone has told me the same thing: corruption.

When I was engaged to a Venezuelan woman who broke it off, I blamed the nature of her country as part of the reason. She was too focused on the short term, and she admitted that she was. How can you plan for the future when there was no future in Venezuela? Long term relationships were for suckers. Thing is that Venezuela historically looked at Colombia as the black sheep in the family. Venezuela historically had its shit together while Colombia was hooked on drugs. It is only recently the roles have reversed.

The rule of thumb I would say for any guy looking for anything long term with any woman in Colombia is if she has not been in college or going to college is just forget it. For more experienced mongers who are more able to distinguish between hos and normal gals, that is not the case but you have to be honest with how experienced you are.

Most Colombian women are going to be very, very short term oriented, and it is not just the girls but their families. I broke it off with a Medellin woman a few months ago, and her sister hit me up to pay for a trip of hers. I had to tell the sister no and that we had broken up. Then the ex asked for a money a month later, and I told her no. LOL.

Thing is that if Asia has the higher classes willing to steal and the lower classes do not, you could make a case that the opposite is somewhat true in Colombia. Thing is that the truly higher class women in Colombia want to distinguish themselves from the working girl types and they do that by not asking for money or going for it in the short term. They are there, but they are rare.

Thing is that not one of these women I met would go for this paying by the day stuff. To me, that is like saying the woman is a more trustworthy ho and that ranks up their with other paradoxical phrases like jumbo shrimp and army intelligence. You cannot turn a ho into a GF and most times you cannot even turn them into a sugar baby. With hos, you have to pay as you go / fuck. That is all they understand.

No Mr E is not right all the time. Hillbilly and World Traveller or know a lot more about Colombia than this guy ever will. Mojo knows a bit, these are all timers. If you're a fool you're going to get played for your money And even worse if you're cheap fool you're going to get taken for everything. Equivalence of $100 for one day is absurd as a matter of fact I'm not even sure if these posts are not even made up I don't see anything in any of that report to make me believe that this trip by Dublin actually even happened.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2602390]As far as mongering is concerned. Mr E is always right and I will listen to him even he said something I don't want to hear. This has already been said to him before he came visit but he choose to listen to what he wants to hear and think something like robbery is not a concern. But it is a great report that can be made into a movie.

My post is not to criticize Dublin, but I think people should listen to what Mr E says. I think he can have a youtube channel and charge for his advices that we get here for free.[/QUOTE]

I usually won't criticize people.

But with the message "avoid Colombia like a plague".

Only two things is more than enough to survive in any place, listen to people who has already learned by their mistakes and bad experiences! 2nd not to break the golden rules of mongering!

I don't speak a word of Spanish, still I survived in Colombia! If I can, anyone can!

I roamed around alone in Santa Fe around mid-night Bogota)!! Following the rules. How to be safe!! I am not going there to show I am brave. I am going there to enjoy my hobby!

Again. 1800 $ a month for a girl? I am not sure if you are aware of the below facts.

1) an average rent for a month in Colombia is 250000 - 300000 Pesos.

2) a poor family. Won't earn more than 500000 pesos a month.

3) Cartagena is the most expensive place as far as I know, for girls in strip clubs, 300000 pesos.

4) Medellin. Most of the strip clubs at the time of closing, some girls will be happy to come to your room for 150-200 K whole night!

4) if I want to wife -up a girl for a month, the max I offer may be 500 $.

If we behave like an idiot!! We will be a failure anywhere we go! Even in the middle of the most civilized world!

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.

So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested.

She just about passes the probationary period. Then she starts to claim that I had promised her $250 USD per night. If I did, then you might wonder why she never raised the issue when I gave 250 k the previous two nights? I tell her she doesn't have to stay, she then decides she might have made a mistake..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2602231]I remember I asked where the best lobster place was in Cartagena and someone (I won't say who) was very unkind and dismissive to me in their response. I believe they told me to Google. I just returned from CTG and I had a blast to the point where I was depressed the last 2 days because I did not want to leave. The sole "bad" part of my trip was the lobster that I had at Playa Hollywood, very rubbery and forgettable. I will be back in Cartagena in October, I will take the suggestion of the person who I shall not name and google the best grilled lobster place in the city.[/QUOTE]I doubt you can actually find the best lobster by just using Google. I think I would start by looking at TripAdvisor, from which I will list the top 6 following places as being highly rated and serve lobster. Its hard to find ratings on just the lobster. I copied and pasted the addresses straight from TripAdvisor so they may not be listed exactly right. Another option is to find an Cartagena expat group and join up and ask questions there - that is one of the best sources for that type of information

La Pica. Calle Estanco del Aguardiente Calle 38 #5-74.

Moshi. Calle 38 #8-19 Calle del Santsimo.

Porton de San Sebastian. Calle 35 No. 3-63 (Near Plaza Santo Domingo).

Cuzco Cocina Peruana. Carrera 3 33 48 Centro Histrico.

La Cevicheria. Calle Stuart 714.

Restaurante Cande. Barrio San Diego, Cra 10 No 39-02 Centro Histrico.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2602429]I doubt you can actually find the best lobster by just using Google. [/QUOTE]That was the joke Mojo LOL. The only person who responded (I won't say his / her name. Only that their name rhymes with "Bublin12") was dismissive and told me in a not so kind way to refrain from asking such questions on this board. I must say I was discouraged by this interaction and I was not going to provide my own trip report because of that. But seeing how poorly that person's trip went, and how well mine went, I will be uploading mine very soon.

And thank you Mojo, I had such a great time in Cartagena I will be returning next month and I will continue my search for the best grilled lobster.

I had to suspend disbelief to read Dublin's story, but it was wildly entertaining even if not a word was true. Bravo to you sir. Would happily read another.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2602443]I had to suspend disbelief to read Dublin's story, but it was wildly entertaining even if not a word was true. Bravo to you sir. Would happily read another.[/QUOTE]I went back and read his posts from January of this year and I believe every single word of this report. And as disagreeable as I find him to be, I'm glad I he posted an honest review because I can see vividly the mistakes I need to avoid when I move around CTG solo.

This is a 68 year old man who did not speak the language and who was drugged on his first night and still powered through. And somehow was still robbed by nearly every person he interacted with, including the airport security (jajajajaja caridad! Caridad! A wiser man would've headed back to Ireland as soon as they had enough money to buy a ticket after being drugged, but this guy went and took some more lickins. If he had stayed longer they would've built statues of him in the Clock Tower for his generosity.

There are no shortage of lessons to be learned from Dublin's report. The biggest for me as a young monger is to always have a contact that you can trust and knows how to speak the language, and to also heed the advice of the OGs on these boards. If you have not been to the country and someone like TallMan Mr E or Kafka tells you not to do something while you are there it is in your best interest not to do it. The consequences of not listening can be severe.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2602439]That was the joke Mojo LOL. The only person who responded (I won't say his / her name. Only that their name rhymes with "Bublin12") was dismissive and told me in a not so kind way to refrain from asking such questions on this board. I must say I was discouraged by this interaction and I was not going to provide my own trip report because of that. But seeing how poorly that person's trip went, and how well mine went, I will be uploading mine very soon.

And thank you Mojo, I had such a great time in Cartagena I will be returning next month and I will continue my search for the best grilled lobster.[/QUOTE]Well there has been plenty of discussions about food and restaurants in these threads, though these usually get answered faster and generate more discussion when the person posting the question has contributed mongering information before. Just becuase its not so out of the blue.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2602474]Well there has been plenty of discussions about food and restaurants in these threads, though these usually get answered faster and generate more discussion when the person posting the question has contributed mongering information before. Just becuase its not so out of the blue.[/QUOTE]Thank you for explaining this to me.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2602439]That was the joke Mojo LOL. The only person who responded (I won't say his / her name. Only that their name rhymes with "Bublin12") was dismissive and told me in a not so kind way to refrain from asking such questions on this board.

[/QUOTE]My response to you was not dismissive and did not tell you to refrain from posting such questions on this board. That is a figment of your imagination or just outright dishonesty your part. As nobody else had any suggestions, I told you there were plenty on Google. My post was entirely in good faith. You assumed that I was having a go at you, and made a snarky reply. That's the real truth.

Why don't you look at the post again, and then you can show everybody where I was "dismissive", "unkind", told you to "to refrain from asking such questions on this board"?

Let me know when you find it please?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2602443]I had to suspend disbelief to read Dublin's story, but it was wildly entertaining even if not a word was true. Bravo to you sir. Would happily read another.[/QUOTE]I accept that my post was not going to show me in a good light. The reason I posted was that I was under an obligation to make a trip report to those who had given me useful advice. If I'd told you anything else other than this, that would have been dishonest. I am sure you are aware that the difference between truth and fiction, is that fiction has to be believable.

So what would convince you? How about my email to the Irish Embassy asking them for help in contacting KLM so that I could get an early flight booked. Although it doesn't have the same explicit detail as my TR, it does give the basic details about my doping and robbery, and in a later reply to them a couple of days later, report of my having been extorted by the cops. I am not going to publish it on here because it contains personal identifiers. But if there is someone who is prepared to act as honest broker, I will forward the chain onto them so they can confirm that I had already reported my case to the Embassy. I assume that the person selected will not republish.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2602429]I doubt you can actually find the best lobster by just using Google.

[/QUOTE]You are probably right. However, the Google pages also carry reviews by customers. That was why I suggested it to begin with. The OP was looking for info from mongers. Nobody came forward. I had a look. There were restos with reviews, which is what I thought the OP was looking for. Silly me.

[QUOTE=Josh333;2602283]Hi,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Cartagena in January for about 8 days. We are debating whether to Airbnb it or take advantage of the services provided here.

[URL]https://colombiaeroticvacations.com/[/URL]

Has anyone ever used these services? It seems a bit pricy but if it's good we don't care. I've scoured most of the forums couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Rates are under $200 per day all inclusive. Not sure payment for girl is included. If so it is a great deal. Maybe can change girl each day.

[QUOTE=Mike963;2602423]I usually won't criticize people.

But with the message "avoid Colombia like a plague".

Only two things is more than enough to survive in any place, listen to people who has already learned by their mistakes and bad experiences! 2nd not to break the golden rules of mongering!

I don't speak a word of Spanish, still I survived in Colombia! If I can, anyone can!

I roamed around alone in Santa Fe around mid-night Bogota)!! Following the rules. How to be safe!! I am not going there to show I am brave. I am going there to enjoy my hobby!

Again. 1800 $ a month for a girl? I am not sure if you are aware of the below facts.

1) an average rent for a month in Colombia is 250000 - 300000 Pesos.

2) a poor family. Won't earn more than 500000 pesos a month.

3) Cartagena is the most expensive place as far as I know, for girls in strip clubs, 300000 pesos.

4) Medellin. Most of the strip clubs at the time of closing, some girls will be happy to come to your room for 150-200 K whole night!

4) if I want to wife -up a girl for a month, the max I offer may be 500 $.

If we behave like an idiot!! We will be a failure anywhere we go! Even in the middle of the most civilized world![/QUOTE]I shall try to deal with your points accordingly.

If you look at my earlier posts on the issue of "compensation" and $1800 + shopping trips was mentioned several times. That was my pre-planned budget. Some said it could be done for that, and others expressed their doubts. I am not sure of the point you are making, but I had a price in mind, and others suggested I could spend less. I was not there to see just how cheaply I could do it. If a girl does what I require, I pay my price, which I am led to believe is not an unfair price. My conscience is clear on my spending habits. BTW I've seen posts on here recently where people have said that Cartagena is no longer a mongering hotspot because of the prices. I think that it is not the price that dictates whether it is a mongering destination, but the availability of women. Of course, if mongering is all about cheap sex only, then I am wrong.

Regarding cost of living etc, I was aware. I read on Google that the ave wage was about $500 per month, however Mr E, came up with $221. Other sources agreed with this. Regardless, you cannot say that $1800 is a bad score.

I've never been a fan of the, "If I can do it, anyone can" suggestion. I used to hear it a lot from my sister, who has had a financially successful life. When I heard her make the point once too often, I asked her to tell me what 73 X47 equalled without using a calculator. I am very good at mental arithmetic. She couldn't answer. I then said to her, "If I can do it, then anyone can". The truth is that some people can adapt to some situations better than others, and that's why I have never been a fan of such claims.

I don't frequent strip clubs.

$500? How does my offer of $1800 + shopping etc, make me the bad guy? Is the suggestion that I was victimised because of my generosity?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2602416]No Mr E is not right all the time. Hillbilly and World Traveller or know a lot more about Colombia than this guy ever will. Mojo knows a bit, these are all timers. If you're a fool you're going to get played for your money And even worse if you're cheap fool you're going to get taken for everything. Equivalence of $100 for one day is absurd as a matter of fact I'm not even sure if these posts are not even made up I don't see anything in any of that report to make me believe that this trip by Dublin actually even happened.[/QUOTE]I've already made an offer of forwarding on the emails to the Irish Embassy when I asked them for assistance. I can also forward on the emails for my air ticket as well as the Airbnb. Will that convince you? And the ticket home I bought In Col. These are all date stamped.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2602170]I do not think you are an experienced monger. Even in Thailand you need to be careful if you were doing the same things you did. I did some wifing up in Costa Rica many times with Colombians. Did tour everywhere. They were really beautiful. Two of them them had all my spending money in their purse (ofcourse bulk of the cash is in safe deposit along with passport, credit cards, I phone, anything valuable) I did pay at the end generously but not before.

Planning to go to Cartagena in November. Prefer staying in a hotel. I heard hotel OZ is girl visitor friendly. Reviews say do not get the cheapest room there. That one does not have a window.

Generally I never drink other than bottled beer in unknown places. Even then never out of my sight.

Enjoyed reading your report. A very good warning to people planning to party wildly without a wingman.[/QUOTE]Regarding your doubts about my prior experience, I can't help that. All I can say is that since 2006, I have about 20 trips under my belt to Thailand, Cambodia and Phils, and the places I've been have been BKK, KK, CM, CR, Korat and Nong Khai but mostly Pattaya in TH, Snooky, PP and Siam Reap and Angeles in Phils. Apart from the two incidents in TH, nothing untoward has ever occurred before this trip.

And yes, I made the mistake of drinking from an open glass. Something I should have been alert to. But in SEA, they always give the beer in a bottle. My experience is that you have to ask for a glass there. But they serve the beers in Styrofoam jackets known as "condoms", which keeps the beer cooler for longer. So I got careless. Stupid of me.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2602154]You can also send money to yourself using WA or WorldRemit. That way even if you do not have cards you can get it from Exito or supermarket giving the reference number and showing ID.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, but I've never heard of either of them. Not sure what WA is, but they do have World Remit in Ireand, I have since found out. But the initial problem wasn't WU itself, but that many of the WU franchises in Cartagena are Mickey Mouse and just do not have sufficient cash on hand to pay out €500.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602501]

$500? How does my offer of $1800 + shopping etc, make me the bad guy? Is the suggestion that I was victimised because of my generosity?[/QUOTE]Well actually a lot of guys ask this rhetorically but it's actually true. In Latin America you do risk getting victimized because of your generosity.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602501].



$500? How does my offer of $1800 + shopping etc, make me the bad guy? Is the suggestion that I was victimised because of my generosity?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2602143]Thanks for taking the time to write this up. It's been a while since I've been to Cartagena, but if I were traveling for the purpose of banging women, I'd take it head and shoulders over Bangkok. Hell, when in Bangkok I go to Spasso's looking for Colombians.

There are a lot of lessons in this, ones I forget from time to time. Like divide your ATM cards up in a couple of places so if you loose one you're not screwed. Don't leave money laying around. Watch your drinks. Don't wife up until you know you really click with someone and even then pay as you go. Try to avoid situations involving the police. And if you and the hookers can't communicate in a common language, you're probably not going to have a good time if mongering is your main focus.

I got a huge laugh out of this, "About 3. 30, I am woken by a couple of loud bangs. I work out it is someone thowing stones at the apartment to get my attention. I go to the balcony, and there in all her beauty is the coke-snorting "Diahann Carroll". I really cannot believe that both these Scorpions think I will again carry them across the stormy river. I tell her "Vamos". She says something imploringly in Spanish, but I go back inside and watch her through a chink in the curtain. "

You said "let's go. " She probably thought you wanted to have another go with her.

In large part from reading stories like this I've avoided nightmares. I put a link to your post in "Reports of Distinction. " Thanks for sharing this.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your observations. It's nice to be believed. If you think about, if I were to make up any such stories about mongering, surely I would paint myself in a better light?

Regarding my linguistic difficulties, I thought it was the root for the word, "Vamoose".

Regarding my compensation scheme, I've always paid in advance. My thinking has always been that if she's dishonest, let's find out ASAP and get rid of the prob. You will note that I did get all four targets into the bed. It was what happened after, that became the prob. Angela was the only one that got paid in advance and then was taken off payroll that I never got the final satisfaction from.

Funnily, I recall reading a recent post on this forum where someone else reported on the tactic to claim that she "thought" the offer was $250 instead of 250 K COP. Maybe it was the same girl in both cases.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2602127]We've been back and forth about all this before you left and now of course the predictable outcome-- You've offered someone basically $100 for a day. When the going rate is approximately $66 or $200 K whatever that is. What do you think is going to happen? What I suggest is is it is your cheap and a sucker which is a very bad combination. Disastrous trip is not much of a surprise to me in fact it's actually quite funny[/QUOTE]What has the got to do with needing a PCR test? How am I "cheap" if I am paying above the going rate?

As for your finding it funny, I would have found it funny too of I had read it about someone else. That's no skin of my nose. I expected to be laughed at, but I did promise a trip report and sad as it was, I kept my word.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2602118]A very long report of many things that could have been avoided if you only took the time to acknowledge and understand what posters like Mr. E and myself were trying to tell you over a month ago before you even got on the plane in DUB. Posters like us who have been there multiple times made the mistakes, or have seen the mistakes being made, therefore we pass on the preventive information so fresh gringos who arrive do not repeat them but you threw it all out the window. The fact that were were there solo those girls took full advantage.

We repeatedly told you Colombia is not Thailand. I myself, said I can black out in Thailand in a club and a girl will make sure I get back to my hotel room and when I wake up, she's there, and nothing is missing but I would never, ever do that in Colombia. We repeatedly told you the culture down there is different with the working girls where most of them do not care about tomorrow or next week, they only care about what they can get from you at that moment in time on that night. They live day to day as evident of your first girl who spent all the money in 1 day. We told you a month long arrangement is not a good idea and I specifically said if this is done to make sure to send her ass home every day because you do not want her constantly around you. I've posted many times if the gringo get cops involved they will end up paying more than to just pay what the girl wanted. The cops and the girls work together to scam the gringos and trust me on this, they saw you coming even before you got on the plane in DUB. I mentioned no working girl is going to want 250 mil 300 mil a day to be with you when she can get 800 mil by taking her change at the Clock Tower, the mindset is "you, the gringo is only here for a week or two at most, while the Clock Tower will forever be there with fresh gringos every night".

Angela did have the overpriced numbers right at $250 a day which is why I constantly said in my posts and reports always talk to them in pesos and make sure they know its pesos. We cannot say a number without the currency format as they automatically assume dollars. Then you paid her for the following day in advance to which she does not have to show up SMH.

The old hag and pretty niece was a red flag, never take on a team when solo especially when you have no interest in the other party.

Elena was not worried about you future intentions as she already got what she wanted from you and the next gringo is primes and ready for her.

You placed yourself in a very bad scenario, why the hell would you let two working girls sleep in the spare room while you take on a third? They out number you three to one and you cannot watch all three of them at all times. You left your money out in the open. Yes, we can do that in Thailand because most if not all are on their best behavior but not in Colombia. Those girls straight lied to you, they did have a place to sleep for the night but didn't want to pay. Over in Getsemeni are allot of Hostels where the girls who know each other will take a room, usually its four to a room (bunk beds) so they could had stayed at a hostel. I'm still laughing over here because they even cleaned out your fridge and took the groceries with them. They saw you coming from a mile away jajajaja.

There are only about 5 girls I know and trust who I always see when I return and this is because if they ask me for money to buy something I usually give them 50 mil or 100 mil because I need to break the big bills. They will always come back and put the change on the table where I can see it, even the coins, yes the freaking annoying coins I never want in my pockets.

The only thing that saved you from being cleaned out was that steel gate with the double cylinder lock that requires a key to open from the inside, at least you wasn't like someone I know who left the key inside the lock because they didn't want to loose it jajaja.

I cannot stop laughing! You did just about everything we said not to do jajajaja.[/QUOTE]I remember many of you telling me that the culture was different in culture in Col. I don't recall anyone telling me telling me about the Scorpion and Frog mentality of these women.

My mistake was not to understand when people mentioned the different culture from TH, that it included a total lack of honesty on the part of these girls.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2602102]First off accolades for such a great trip report. But the accolade is for sharing what you experienced, a lot of guys would of been to embarrassed to share what you went thru, and there will be posters who will chastise you.

Colombia for many is a wet dream beyond belief. Kind of like hitting a grand slam home run at times. You struck out multiple times, and your correct about speaking Spanish, without it your hosed in my book, but some may disagree with me, but you get it.

And as far as waiting for Thailand to re-open, I'm not holding my breath that it wii even really open up next year, so maybe you should start studying Spanish and return to Colombia.

But don't go to Cartagena, it's probably the most expensive place to monger in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I anticipated much of what you said about "there will be posters who will chastise you", but it is what it is. Hopefully, people will learn from this.

I could have told a completely flattering story about my misadventures, but given that this forum is about explaining and swapping experiences, that would be dishonest. Besides, I don't need the glory. I can tell the truth, knowing that if you or any other forum member and I ever pass each other by in the street, you will not recognise me as "that Idiot who went to Cartagena".

Just to mention Cartagena, as far as the money was concerned, that was not really a concern. My budget was the the same as I spend in TH. I made the mistake of thinking that Cartagena was the SA equivalent of Pattaya. It wasn't the losses that annoyed me. It was the overwhelming venality of all the girls I came into contact with.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602529]I remember many of you telling me that the culture was different in culture in Col. I don't recall anyone telling me telling me about the Scorpion and Frog mentality of these women.

My mistake was not to understand when people mentioned the different culture from TH, that it included a total lack of honesty on the part of these girls.[/QUOTE]Live and learn LOL.

1. Never ever wife up the moment you meet her. Even after many chats and agreements over video chat in many parts of the world I always say let us meet and see when they want to know how many days they will stay with me. Who knows how we click together spending 24-7 . Besides sex bonds people. If it does not get rid of them. Do not make any promises before.

2. You should know better about promises made or kept on both sides. Go with the flow. Never give money up front certainly not daily shopping ventures. Moment the girl demands or reneges on the agreed deal try to use your brain to see how tactfully trying to get rid of the girl.

3. Never get police involved tourist or otherwise. They would side with locals any given time. You are just a stupid tourist as far as they are concerned. I personally witnessed 4 Thai guys beat a young Caucasian guy to pulp in Thailand patpong area and there were two tourist police quietly watching and not trying to stop it.

4. Obviously from your post you are a free spender not worried about money. So what even if someone scamming you and you loose some money to get out of the weird situation. Think of it as loosing money when you gamble. Mongering all over the world is like throwing dice. Sometimes you roll snake eyes. Deal with it. On the other hand you get out of the country with a smile and want get back next day.

5. Never try to get a orgy going with more than 2 unknown girls. Even then they will lie, cheat and steal.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2602464]There are no shortage of lessons to be learned from Dublin's report. The biggest for me as a young monger is to always have a contact that you can trust and knows how to speak the language, and to also heed the advice of the OGs on these boards.[/QUOTE]One of the biggest lessons I saw from his report and one that I tried to warn him about in the first place is do not go to a new place and expect it to be like another. His big thing was this is how it is in Thailand. But Colombia is not Thailand. I have lived in Thailand for the past almost 13 years. When I go to Colombia or anywhere else, there is not one thing that reminds me of Thailand or that I am expecting to be like Thailand. I shared one of the same stories as Nypher where in Thailand I was blackout drunk and woke up in my bed with a stranger. When I am in Colombia I don't even drink at all when I am not with trusted friends or maybe if I am with a non-pro that I know and we are having a couple of margaritas when we are at dinner. But just tossing a few back alone around mfs that I do not know, hell no!

When you are in Colombia or Dominican Republic you can not just sit money around willy nilly like you can do in Thailand. Why would you even not only expect to be able to do it, but once you realize you have been stolen from, continue to test the waters several times after hoping maybe one of the chicks will not steal from you? He talked down on me saying I was a pessimist and a cynic. No mf. I am a realist. I am from the streets and I know how the streets operate, while you want to run around like you are on the Good Ship Lolipop. I am not going to sit around with a smile on my face tempting folks to rob me blind, especially when I know they have nothing to lose but everything to gain. England, Colombia, Kenya, Brazil, Thailand, Mexico, Philippines, Peru, South Africa, etc are not the same places, so do not go trying to operate in one as you are able to in another.

Then he said the chick stole 200K from him and said she bought cocaine with it. MF cocaine costs 10K pesos in Colombia! If you did not see her with a big ass shipment of it, then she has your other 190K change in her pocket!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2602519]Well actually a lot of guys ask this rhetorically but it's actually true. In Latin America you do risk getting victimized because of your generosity.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. It seems perverse as well as short-sighted to cheat those who treat you generously. I can well imagine the opposite being true. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of someone that is mean? I have had it explained to me that these girls are different, but not the level of dishonesty they resort to.

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

Looking around the Clock Tower, there was definitely an over-supply of women. I am not sure that any two and possibly all three combined might be able to make 7 mill in that time. I understand it's currently low season there. It would appear that when these women find a golden goose, they can only think about wringing it's neck rather than wait for it to lay the golden egg.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602523]Regarding my linguistic difficulties, I thought it was the root for the word, "Vamoose".[/QUOTE]As we say in the hood, "You thought like Lit; you thought you farted, but you shit."

Vamos is the first person plural present indicative of the verb "ir" (to go). Hence, vamos means Let's go, as you are doing something together. Vamoose does not mean anything in Spanish.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2602535]Live and learn LOL.

1. Never ever wife up the moment you meet her. Even after many chats and agreements over video chat in many parts of the world I always say let us meet and see when they want to know how many days they will stay with me. Who knows how we click together spending 24-7 . Besides sex bonds people. If it does not get rid of them. Do not make any promises before.

2. You should know better about promises made or kept on both sides. Go with the flow. Never give money up front certainly not daily shopping ventures. Moment the girl demands or reneges on the agreed deal try to use your brain to see how tactfully trying to get rid of the girl.

3. Never get police involved tourist or otherwise. They would side with locals any given time. You are just a stupid tourist as far as they are concerned. I personally witnessed 4 Thai guys beat a young Caucasian guy to pulp in Thailand patpong area and there were two tourist police quietly watching and not trying to stop it.

4. Obviously from your post you are a free spender not worried about money. So what even if someone scamming you and you loose some money to get out of the weird situation. Think of it as loosing money when you gamble. Mongering all over the world is like throwing dice. Sometimes you roll snake eyes. Deal with it. On the other hand you get out of the country with a smile and want get back next day.

5. Never try to get a orgy going with more than 2 unknown girls. Even then they will lie, cheat and steal.[/QUOTE]Regarding 1 and 2. Those I made the long term offer to were told there would be a trial period. It was on the third day after this was concluded, Angela started to play up. I did not get rid of her immediately and gave her the benefit of the doubt about her "misunderstanding" the agreement, though if I am honest, I know in my own my mind she was really trying her luck. But after several other complaints from her in the space of a couple of hours, I told her to go. "Diahann Carroll" was also made the offer, but it was rescinded when I found that she had stolen 200 k, and worse still, brought coke into the apartment. Elena also accepted the offer of a trial period, but I got a vibe from her she was also going to misbehave, so I made it possible for her to steal 50 k and was proved right. Considering what my involvement with the duo that were pimping out cost me, I thought that was a bargain.

3. That's not what I have seen from the Thai TP.

5. It was not an orgy with more than one girl. The hag slept in the spare room. And on the occasion when they scammed me, both stayed in the spare room.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602547]Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?[/QUOTE]I seriously would have thought you would understand cultural differences since your wife is from Japan. But you just can not yield what makes sense to you and see that what makes sense to other people may be way different. There is no need to agree with it or anything, but if somebody tells you it is a certain way somewhere, fuck how you feel or what makes sense to you. Just listen and take heed.

I went and got a masters degree learning how mfs in places besides where I am from think and operate. Try to pass on for free what it took me $40,000 to learn and mf refuse to even fathom that his way is not the way of the other 8 billion people on the planet. That is called being ethnocentric.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602547]Thanks for your response. It seems perverse as well as short-sighted to cheat those who treat you generously. I can well imagine the opposite being true. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of someone that is mean? I have had it explained to me that these girls are different, but not the level of dishonesty they resort to.

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

Looking around the Clock Tower, there was definitely an over-supply of women. I am not sure that any two and possibly all three combined might be able to make 7 mill in that time. I understand it's currently low season there. It would appear that when these women find a golden goose, they can only think about wringing it's neck rather than wait for it to lay the golden egg.[/QUOTE]As I have learned. Never set anything with them in advance as they spend the money before it even touches their hands.

- On day 1 bring them over and strike an arrangement for the day. Complete it, then send their ass home.

- On day 2, if day 1 was good then text them and in few words as possible tell them let's do the same arrangement as yesterday. She will most likely agree, complete it then send her ass home.

- On day 3. If the first 2 times were good then text them with something simple like "Uno mas? This is usually when they hit you with "Can you give me more money because my mom needs an operation" "I have family birthday coming up" "I need a new fridge" "I need to pay rent" etc.

This is where the mongers brain usually kicks down the fantasy door and throws them into reality (hold up! In the last 2 days she was given XXX mil, where the hell did that money go?) and that's when you realize that she's trying to raise the price on you for the same exact service that was performed recently so now you have to agree to the new price to keep the good service or stick to the old price and watch her give half assed service and run immediately after completion.

As a side story to the above.

When I was in Cartagena earlier in the year I met a chica and we had agreed on 200 mil a pop. It was good and I saw her a few times no issues. When I recently returned I texted her and she remembered me so I told her same arrangement as before and she agreed. She comes over, we complete the activity, and when I paid her I handed her two 100 mil bills to which she looked confused and asked me where is the other 50 mil. I told her it has always been 200 mil between us and she swears no it was 250 mil. Ok cool! I pull up our WhatsApp chat history, scroll all the way back to when we started talking from day 1 and showed her when she told me 200 mil and I agreed, then every time I asked her to do it again and she agreed for the same price. She could not believe it even though she was reading was her own words. Then she proceed to say well its now 250 mil and she needs more. I tell her that wasn't the arrangement but I settled with giving her round trip taxi fare of 20 mil. The next time I texted, she says its now 250 mil and I agree. She get there we do the activity and I pay her, this time I handed her five 50 mil bills that was folded in half, she took the money as is and placed it in her bag, didn't even count it. Now she's just hanging out were drinking beers and talking about random stuff (in actuality I'm just practicing my Spanish to say basic things like chair, table, towel, sink, etc) when she tell me her mom needs an operation then then she starts showing me WhatsApp messages of some American guy sending her money to help fund the operation for her mom. She then proceed to tell me next time it will be 300 mil because of this, and I tell her we will talk about it next time I want her to come over. I found a new girl for 200 mil.

Fast forward to when I reach back state side I see this same fucking girl posting whatsapp status of her in a doctor office laying on her stomach with no pants on, while a someone is using an Ultrasonic Machine on her ass while injecting liquid fat into it. She's getting Butt Augmentation! So much for her moms operation SMH.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602529]I remember many of you telling me that the culture was different in culture in Col. I don't recall anyone telling me telling me about the Scorpion and Frog mentality of these women.

My mistake was not to understand when people mentioned the different culture from TH, that it included a total lack of honesty on the part of these girls.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dublin12;2602531]I anticipated much of what you said about "there will be posters who will chastise you", but it is what it is. Hopefully, people will learn from this.

I could have told a completely flattering story about my misadventures, but given that this forum is about explaining and swapping experiences, that would be dishonest. Besides, I don't need the glory. I can tell the truth, knowing that if you or any other forum member and I ever pass each other by in the street, you will not recognise me as "that Idiot who went to Cartagena".

Just to mention Cartagena, as far as the money was concerned, that was not really a concern. My budget was the the same as I spend in TH. I made the mistake of thinking that Cartagena was the SA equivalent of Pattaya. It wasn't the losses that annoyed me. It was the overwhelming venality of all the girls I came into contact with.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602539]One of the biggest lessons I saw from his report and one that I tried to warn him about in the first place is do not go to a new place and expect it to be like another. His big thing was this is how it is in Thailand. But Colombia is not Thailand. I have lived in Thailand for the past almost 13 years. When I go to Colombia or anywhere else, there is not one thing that reminds me of Thailand or that I am expecting to be like Thailand. I shared one of the same stories as Nypher where in Thailand I was blackout drunk and woke up in my bed with a stranger. When I am in Colombia I don't even drink at all when I am not with trusted friends or maybe if I am with a non-pro that I know and we are having a couple of margaritas when we are at dinner. But just tossing a few back alone around mfs that I do not know, hell no!

When you are in Colombia or Dominican Republic you can not just sit money around willy nilly like you can do in Thailand. Why would you even not only expect to be able to do it, but once you realize you have been stolen from, continue to test the waters several times after hoping maybe one of the chicks will not steal from you? He talked down on me saying I was a pessimist and a cynic. No mf. I am a realist. I am from the streets and I know how the streets operate, while you want to run around like you are on the Good Ship Lolipop. I am not going to sit around with a smile on my face tempting folks to rob me blind, especially when I know they have nothing to lose but everything to gain. England, Colombia, Kenya, Brazil, Thailand, Mexico, Philippines, Peru, South Africa, etc are not the same places, so do not go trying to operate in one as you are able to in another.
[/QUOTE]Not to toot my horn but even a deaf, blind and dumb person saw this as a train wreak coming full bore and being played out in front of us all from your the first mention of this horrible idea.

You got played big time by the 'vultures of Cartagena' who were circling above this newbie and as soon as the first opportunity arose they came to feast on the gringo.

We do appreciate your honesty, much respect, seriously.

Live and learn.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2602118]A very long report of many things that could have been avoided if you only took the time to acknowledge and understand what posters like Mr. E and myself were trying to tell you over a month ago before you even got on the plane in DUB. Posters like us who have been there multiple times made the mistakes, or have seen the mistakes being made, therefore we pass on the preventive information so fresh gringos who arrive do not repeat them but you threw it all out the window. The fact that were were there solo those girls took full advantage.

We repeatedly told you Colombia is not Thailand. I myself, said I can black out in Thailand in a club and a girl will make sure I get back to my hotel room and when I wake up, she's there, and nothing is missing but I would never, ever do that in Colombia. We repeatedly told you the culture down there is different with the working girls where most of them do not care about tomorrow or next week, they only care about what they can get from you at that moment in time on that night. They live day to day as evident of your first girl who spent all the money in 1 day. We told you a month long arrangement is not a good idea and I specifically said if this is done to make sure to send her ass home every day because you do not want her constantly around you. I've posted many times if the gringo get cops involved they will end up paying more than to just pay what the girl wanted..[/QUOTE]Those are some harsh words, but I believe every word you wrote is correct.

When most of the guys here give advice, they aren't doing it to be the bad guy. They give the advice they give because they have already made those mistakes and learned from them.

Most people would rather pay to learn from their own mistakes, instead of learning from someone else for free.

[QUOTE=Josh333;2602283]Hi,

Me and a friend are planning a trip to Cartagena in January for about 8 days. We are debating whether to Airbnb it or take advantage of the services provided here.

[URL]https://colombiaeroticvacations.com/[/URL]

Has anyone ever used these services? It seems a bit pricy but if it's good we don't care. I've scoured most of the forums couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I looked into those types of services several years ago. Here's my take on it:

Imagine someone offers you a chance to eat in one of the top restaurants in the world, total elegance, world class chef, you get the picture. The price is 3 or 4 times higher than the price if you just made a reservation at the exact same restaurant, but they're promising you a unique experience. So you pay the price, in advance. When you get there, they bring you out a bag of food from McDonald's. Unless, the day before you're scheduled to eat the special meal, they tell you they had to move it to another restaurant. Then you still get the same food, for the same price, but in a location that isn't nearly as nice as you expected.

Most of those type of places are using places you can find online, at a much higher price, and providing girls you can find, also at a much higher price. In addition, you're paying for the whole thing in advance.

If you really don't care how much money you spend, or the quality of the experience, go for it. Otherwise, there are better options.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602547]Thanks for your response. It seems perverse as well as short-sighted to cheat those who treat you generously. I can well imagine the opposite being true. Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of someone that is mean? I have had it explained to me that these girls are different, but not the level of dishonesty they resort to.

Angela, who I think probably nobbled my beer would have earned 7 million COP for four weeks work. My losses to her if it was her that drugged me, were in the region of 2 million. What are the chances she is going to make that sort of money in that period now? Elena would have earned 5. 75 million instead of being scammed by the hag and her niece. "Diahann Carrol" would have made 6 million. Does that make sense to you that the first decides to screw me over for a paltry 50 k, and the other, 200 k?

Looking around the Clock Tower, there was definitely an over-supply of women. I am not sure that any two and possibly all three combined might be able to make 7 mill in that time. I understand it's currently low season there. It would appear that when these women find a golden goose, they can only think about wringing it's neck rather than wait for it to lay the golden egg.[/QUOTE]Yes, it absolutely makes sense that those girls would attempt to take advantage of you when you were offering that amount of money. It makes sense because, by offering that amount of money you were showing that you had absolutely no idea what you were doing.

If you walked into a pub back home, where they sell pints of beer for $3 (or whatever price is the norm) and told the bartender you want to pay $15 for each beer, but you don't want a pint, for $15, you want to pay $15 for a shot glass of beer, how will he respond? If it was me, each shot glass would be nothing but foam.

I know a woman in Medellin who is a dentist. Fresh out of university the best offer she received paid 1. 5 million pesos a month. For a dentist. Meanwhile, you're offering almost 5 times as much, plus room and board to girls who probably take 6 months to earn that much money. Worse, you offered it to complete strangers.

It may seem like everyone is ganging up on you, but you put yourself in the position. It's not the girls' fault, it's not the fault of the police, or Western Union, or anyone else. If you had taken the advice you were given, you probably would have had a great time and you would be planning your next trip.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602555]Regarding

5. It was not an orgy with more than one girl. The hag slept in the spare room. And on the occasion when they scammed me, both stayed in the spare room.[/QUOTE]You seem stubborn or top of ignorant about Latin culture. You are applying logic to a place where that does not pertain. Why and how they got that way is a much deeper discussion. We are mongers and presumably not there to implement deeper social change! You cited 3 for 3 examples of where you LT strategy failed, you were told it would fail on this board, and yet you insist, persist, and defend. Get a clue bro. Mongering in Latin America has its risks, but also its rewards. You have to be smart about it and adapt to their culture. Latinas don't think beyond that moment, their planning is abysmal, they may not even think about dinner far less tomorrow. It makes no sense to me whatsoever, but I am not them! I have a chica that to me is a definite 9/10 (and I am a picky MFer), she is a great lay, top 3 ever for me. We never discuss money, and she takes what I give her, doesn't even look at it, and we are like friends. She even asked me a time or two why I paid her, and a I just laugh it off and say it's a gift. But if she asks when I am not there, it's allows a polite decline(I actually got the impression last time I am there, she wants me not to pay her when I am there and just give her that money when she asks/needs it, i.e. Be her banker. However I have no intention of going down that road. If I was living there that is exactly what I would do. She had a child when she was age fifteen, and it's a daily struggle, she is 21 now and still hot as hell, you would never be able to tell she had a child.. God was generous in the looks department with her. But she has zero self esteem. In the time I have known her, she put two tattoos, had a breast enhancement surgery, and a nose job. None of those made any sense to me, she was messing with near perfection, why would you augment perky be to see breasts on a medium build frame, but to her low self esteem it was a boost. I listen, but I mostly like to fuck her. Bottom line do not apply your logic to them. Meet them where they are and it will be better for all. I guess your stubbornness and need to impose your way or the southeast Asian way will keep burning you.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2602729]You seem stubborn or top of ignorant about Latin culture. You are applying logic to a place where that does not pertain. Why and how they got that way is a much deeper discussion. We are mongers and presumably not there to implement deeper social change! You cited 3 for 3 examples of where you LT strategy failed, you were told it would fail on this board, and yet you insist, persist, and defend. Get a clue bro. Mongering in Latin America has its risks, but also its rewards. You have to be smart about it and adapt to their culture. Latinas don't think beyond that moment, their planning is abysmal, they may not even think about dinner far less tomorrow. It makes no sense to me whatsoever, but I am not them! I have a chica that to me is a definite 9/10 (and I am a picky MFer), she is a great lay, top 3 ever for me. We never discuss money, and she takes what I give her, doesn't even look at it, and we are like friends. She even asked me a time or two why I paid her, and a I just laugh it off and say it's a gift. But if she asks when I am not there, it's allows a polite decline(I actually got the impression last time I am there, she wants me not to pay her when I am there and just give her that money when she asks/needs it, i.e. Be her banker. However I have no intention of going down that road. If I was living there that is exactly what I would do. She had a child when she was age fifteen, and it's a daily struggle, she is 21 now and still hot as hell, you would never be able to tell she had a child.. God was generous in the looks department with her. But she has zero self esteem. In the time I have known her, she put two tattoos, had a breast enhancement surgery, and a nose job. None of those made any sense to me, she was messing with near perfection, why would you augment perky be to see breasts on a medium build frame, but to her low self esteem it was a boost. I listen, but I mostly like to fuck her. Bottom line do not apply your logic to them. Meet them where they are and it will be better for all. I guess your stubbornness and need to impose your way or the southeast Asian way will keep burning you.[/QUOTE]As I look at those posters who are attacking my refusal to listen to one person only, I have a question. What advice did you give me that would have helped me avoid much of these probs? I'd like to see the posts where I was told "These women are inherently dishonest". I'd like to see the post that said, "You should not offer these women help under any circumstances because they will victimise you". I'd like to see the post that tells me what to do when the women refuse to leave the apartment as a means of extorting me".

The main advice I was given was that I was unlikely to find any takers for my offer of 7 million, or that I was offering too much. That in itself is contradictory advice because one party is telling me it can't be done while the other party is telling me I am offering too much so it must be possible. I found a taker at the first attempt. Regardless of the actual outcome of that, it might have been fairer to say, "You may find takers, but after agreement, they will reinterpret any such agreement as they see fit".

There were plenty of references to cultural differences, but I cannot recall a single post which defined ingrained dishonesty as one of those cultural differences. In fact, I have no recollection of any definition of the oft referred to "cultural differences" by anyone. I might be wrong, but I'd like to see the posts that explained what this actually meant when members were making such comments. Of course I could be disingenuous and also mention that nobody told me that my drink might get spiked, but as we know I was not ignorant of that possibility and I take responsibility.

One piece of advice I was given by some, which I did downplay, was how difficult things would be with lack of Spanish. On a previous trip to TH, I wifed up with a girl for the best part of three weeks and communication was mostly through Google Translate. Who knew that this app was not going to work for me, as well as it did in TH?

I am not trying to avoid personal responsibility, but when it's all said and done, most of those who are saying, "I told you so". More accurately said, "Cultural differences" but never attempted to explain these. To put it another way, if I were going to Saudi Arabia and were asking for info while I am there, how many people will tell me "You will have problems because of cultural differences"? Would it not be more helpful to explain those cultural differences, such as "P & P, is possibly a death penalty crime in Saudi". WE live in a world full of cultural differences, and many of us overcome those daily, especially if we are in mixed marriages. In the absence of any explanation as to what these differences are, should we really be surprised if like myself, the thinking is, "Whatever these differences are, they can't be that serious or they would have explained them"?

So for those who are in the "I told you so" camp, what exactly did you tell me apart from undefined cultural differences.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602748]I have a question. What advice did you give me that would have helped me avoid much of these probs? I'd like to see the posts where I was told "These women are inherently dishonest".[/QUOTE]Since you asked, a common advice is to take small step. It seems to me you kept on repeating the same mistake. Another thing you were told is you can't think the girl think the way you do. Your virtue become your weakness in your situations.

And the advice you agree with is the one that tells you not to worry about robbery.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2602753]
And the advice you agree with is the one that tells you not to worry about robbery.[/QUOTE]That's not what I said. Nobody told me not to worry about robbery, not that they should need to give advice on that. What I said, is there were those who mentioned cultural differences, but not one person mentioned the rampant dishonesty of these girls was part of these cultural differences.

It stands to reason that there are going to be cultural differences. Girls from TH and Cam are usually Asiatic and often Buddhist. Girls from Col are often of European extraction and are Christians. But did anyone point out the key cultural differences on which I could make a judgement. For example, there are cultures such as Indian where a woman going with someone who is not approved of by the family, might fall victim to honour killings. It was the lack of explanation which led me to conclude, "If these differences were important, someone would have given details".

Now, there are plenty saying "I told you so", but what exactly did they tell me?

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033] thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures[/QUOTE]Thanks for this post. It's a real gem and fun to read the responses and reactions to it.

I like your approach. You've got an honest, optimistic and generous spirit; it's the path of genuine happiness. Risky though. Reading that post I was thinking "it could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others". I shuddered at some of the behavior. Others have mentioned this, it but the point about not waving around cash is one I hope sinks in for people. It's not obvious to most Caribbean sex workers that they may be able to work millions of pesos out of you over an interval measured in days or months or years. The culture lives in the here and now. Money in your pocket or at your bedside has an immediate value, measured in minutes or hours. Anyway, your post spells this out better than I can here.

Original post was #11542.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602764]That's not what I said. Nobody told me not to worry about robbery[/QUOTE]I guess I misunderstood the conversation. FWIW, I am referring to these posts.

[QUOTE]...so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12]Thanks for that, but being robbed was not a paramount concern. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602764]That's not what I said. Nobody told me not to worry about robbery, not that they should need to give advice on that. What I said, is there were those who mentioned cultural differences, but not one person mentioned the rampant dishonesty of these girls was part of these cultural differences.

It stands to reason that there are going to be cultural differences. Girls from TH and Cam are usually Asiatic and often Buddhist. Girls from Col are often of European extraction and are Christians. But did anyone point out the key cultural differences on which I could make a judgement. For example, there are cultures such as Indian where a woman going with someone who is not approved of by the family, might fall victim to honour killings. It was the lack of explanation which led me to conclude, "If these differences were important, someone would have given details".

Now, there are plenty saying "I told you so", but what exactly did they tell me?[/QUOTE]The posts below are my posts alone. A few other posters were also telling you the same thing, with a lot more extra on why you shouldn't approach things with your mindset of Eastern culture.

Post where I explained why 250 - 300 a day is too low.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2586598&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2586598.

Post where I explained that these chicas think day to day and do not think long term and where I gave an example if the monger gets drugged.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2586571&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2586571.

Post where I told the story of my friend getting robbed when he was out cold. I think he was drugged but just didn't want to admit it so I'm not going to assume.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2586537&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2586537.

Post where I warned if you're solo to put your safety first.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2586261&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2586261.

Here's an extra one where I posted a few of my negative experiences with paying first and how some girls will be dishonest with gringos that do long term arrangements.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?578-General-Info&p=2567441[/URL]#post2567441.

Mongers do not have to spell things out word for word and step by step for every new gringo who wants to a gamble with the chicas in Latin America. With basic street smarts anyone can figure it out (If I do X then X have a high chance of happening so lets do Y). With every post here, users always talk about safety, prices of chicas, food, best locations to stay, and things to do beside mongering when that becomes boring.

With the way you moved, your outcome could have happened to you anywhere it just had a higher probability in Latin America.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2602788]I guess I misunderstood the conversation. FWIW, I am referring to these posts.[/QUOTE]My apologies. I do recall those posts, though I can't remember the context. My guess is it is what it is, and that robbery was not a major concern, though with the benefit of hindsight, it should have been.

Statistically, the more girls you meet the more likely you are to come across dishonesty. Prior to that, though I don't keep score. I'd estimate that I had about 80 mongering relationships and only once been the victim of theft. Clearly, I would be naive to think it could not happen, but presuming that Angela was involved in spiking my drink, and having been dealing with a culture where thefts were remarkably rare, you might understand why I was surprised that in Col, no girl I ever met, passed up any opportunity to steal from me, even when the economic arguments were that they were killing the golden goose. I've accused these girls of stupidity before, and I've seen nothing to tell me that this was a wrong conclusion.

[QUOTE=JellyDonut;2602771]Thanks for this post. It's a real gem and fun to read the responses and reactions to it.

I like your approach. You've got an honest, optimistic and generous spirit; it's the path of genuine happiness. Risky though. Reading that post I was thinking "it could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others". I shuddered at some of the behavior. Others have mentioned this, it but the point about not waving around cash is one I hope sinks in for people. It's not obvious to most Caribbean sex workers that they may be able to work millions of pesos out of you over an interval measured in days or months or years. The culture lives in the here and now. Money in your pocket or at your bedside has an immediate value, measured in minutes or hours. Anyway, your post spells this out better than I can here.

Original post was #11542.[/QUOTE]I think you are someone who understands me. Though cynics may be happy with their own cynicism, I pity them. My lack of cynicism may have led to my down fall in Colombia, but until then, it had served me well. Of course, I now find myself questioning my previous experience. Was it just dumb luck I was almost never victimised in SEA. I am pretty sure I know what the cynics are saying in respect to that point. But maybe I was right? Most people, if you treat them well will respond in kind.

As far as the money is concerned, Iago in Othello says it best: "he who steals my purse, steals trash; ".

Best wishes.

There are good and bad girls. Maybe circumstances or just plain bad luck in their life makes them take advantage of instant gratification. I was drinking and dancing with this girl at classico in Sosua. I usually take local pesos only which I placed in my shirt pocket. Reason is easy to get to to pay for the drinks. Hidden away inside pocket of my pants is couple of hundred dollar bills and hundred dollar worth of pesos. She saw the money in my shirt pocket when I bought the drinks. We had negotiated 2500 for TLN. We were dancing close and I did not even feel her taking money from my pocket which was around 800 pesos. Only time I realized was after dancing we went to get drinks and my pocket was empty. I asked her if she saw my bills fall to the floor. She pretended not to notice. She probably was wondering how I am going to pay for the drinks. I reached inside my pant hidden pocket and pulled out a wad of cash. I wanted her to see fully realizing she stole the money while we were dancing close. I was not one to complain and call police or anything like that. The moment we got the drinks I said I do not want to be with her on her puzzled look. For a few hundred pesos she lost. I would have treated her well.

This is the mindset of some. Having said that I have got girls who were totally trustworthy.

We as mongers need to learn the subtle art of differentiation. There are always clues.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602813]I think you are someone who understands me. Though cynics may be happy with their own cynicism, I pity them. My lack of cynicism may have led to my down fall in Colombia, but until then, it had served me well. Of course, I now find myself questioning my previous experience. Was it just dumb luck I was almost never victimised in SEA. I am pretty sure I know what the cynics are saying in respect to that point. But maybe I was right? Most people, if you treat them well will respond in kind.

As far as the money is concerned, Iago in Othello says it best: "he who steals my purse, steals trash; ".

Best wishes.[/QUOTE]I think by and large SEA is safer and less scheming and even risky compared to Latin America. The cultures, the religion, the history of the people etc is all different.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602748]

So for those who are in the "I told you so" camp, what exactly did you tell me apart from undefined cultural differences.[/QUOTE]I don't know how long you have been on this board or how far back in the Colombia I. E. MDE CTG and BOG threads you read. The information is mentioned repeatedly and these discussions come up every so often. Usually but not always precipitated by either a self reported incident or a news report of an incident. There is a wealth of wisdom in those discussions that makes you aware of the circumstances. Then there are you tube videos discussing these risks. If someone says they did not know the risks of Centro in Mde, and were on this board, what can anyone say.

That said, even saying all of this to you. You deserve a huge kudos for doing this write up and taking the arrows, as I will guarantee you there are more than a few that will read this and be more vigilant. New mongers head down there every day and some even think this pandemic has shifted some people from SEA to LA. It is a timely reminder of the pitfalls. Just accept that your methods and research were flawed. Additionally your luck was also bad. My preparation was here and a few YouTube videos. I was super cautious in 2019 almost to the point of not enjoying myself. Yet Sometimes you walk into dumb luck like I did in early 2019 with my Chica and not even know it at the time. But I still keep my guard up mostly. Heck I don't even drink more than one beer when I am in Colombia. I can drink all the beer I want stateside. I am there for the pussy! It's all about sensible risk mitigation.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2602944]I think by and large SEA is safer and less scheming and even risky compared to Latin America. The cultures, the religion, the history of the people etc is all different.[/QUOTE]I think you hit it GH. I think Dublin assumed SEA and LA were much the same. I have not mongered in SEA but I have read that the transition from a short term prostitute to a longer term sugar baby type gal is seamless with these Asian women, and Dublin thought LA was the same as SEA.

Where he ran into trouble (and I have as well) is trying to convert the short term gals into sugar baby, longer term arrangements. Unless I use a website like [URL]seeking.com[/URL]/ SA specifically designed for longer term, I have run into trouble, and that is why I told him to use that website.

His response was that he had experience in SEA. He was generous and offering a good deal. That was all true, but he did not get that the women did not trust someone like him. I mean, how many times in Latin history have American or Western European countries invested in LA and tried to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement just to watch the Latinos steal them blind? Dublin just did not get that. The Latinos have the attitude that they are going to screw you over before you screw them over.

In my experience, you have to go way up the Colombian socioeconomic food chain to find women truly interested in even the shortest of long term arrangements, and Dublin did not get that. It is his loss though though that he did not accommodate to the culture. His real flaw was that he expected the culture should adapt to him unlike his adapting to the culture. It is his right to look down the nose of that inferior culture of Colombia, and it is inferior but what he is losing out on is a fantastic mongering destination for those who can adjust to the culture.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602033]Further to my most recent post, I promised a trip report. I thought you might be interested in hearing of my misadventures. This rapidly became the holiday in hell.

I won't bore you with all the problems I had trying to book this, but between my bank, the credit card co, and Colombian bureaucracy, I should have taken the hint, that this was never going to end well.

So I finally arrive in Colombia and on my first night, I meet one of the very few natives, Angela who can speak English. I have a plan which usually works very well in TH. Try to find one girl to "wife up for the duration" I am offering 1800 USD ($65 per night = 250000 Colombian pesos) plus daily shopping trips for about another (100 k per day) $850 in total as well as random acts of generosity. Angela is interested....


So if the question is, "Do I wait until TH has reopened, or go to Colombia where you don't even need a PCR test or to quarantine"? My answer is avoid Colombia like the plague. But if you are going to ignore my advice, then at least learn sufficient Spanish to reduce the size of the target on your back, that all Gringos carry. And if you have a cynical attitude towards the "ladies" in TH, and I know quite a few do, then I think you should really try Colombia to get a sense of perspective.[/QUOTE]Magnificent report. This is like Mr. Bean Goes Mongering. I laughed until I cried.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602764]What I said, is there were those who mentioned cultural differences, but not one person mentioned the rampant dishonesty of these girls was part of these cultural differences.[/QUOTE]This must be the only monger on the planet that does not realize he is involving himself in street shit and is expecting people to behave as they are the Knights of the Round Table. Got drugged and robbed repeatedly and is still whispering well that was not lady-like of you. Hookers are out there to get it with their lips, hips, AND FINGERTIPS. Next he will expect a robbing crew to be handing out alms.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2602464]I went back and read his posts from January of this year and I believe every single word of this report. And as disagreeable as I find him to be, I'm glad I he posted an honest review because I can see vividly the mistakes I need to avoid when I move around CTG solo.

This is a 68 year old man who did not speak the language and who was drugged on his first night and still powered through. And somehow was still robbed by nearly every person he interacted with, including the airport security (jajajajaja caridad! Caridad! A wiser man would've headed back to Ireland as soon as they had enough money to buy a ticket after being drugged, but this guy went and took some more lickins. If he had stayed longer they would've built statues of him in the Clock Tower for his generosity.

There are no shortage of lessons to be learned from Dublin's report. The biggest for me as a young monger is to always have a contact that you can trust and knows how to speak the language, and to also heed the advice of the OGs on these boards. If you have not been to the country and someone like TallMan Mr E or Kafka tells you not to do something while you are there it is in your best interest not to do it. The consequences of not listening can be severe.[/QUOTE]Your post just made me realize I'm about half his age but with a broader experience in mongering in different cultures as I've done Montreal, Latin America, the Caribbean, and south East Asia. As I've learned, speaking the language is not a requirement but it helps tremendously and breaks so much barriers. For example while mongering in Sosua, the chicas kept asking me the same questions in Spanish. "Where are you from? When did you arrive? Where are you staying? When are you leaving? Do you have a wife? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you have any kids? How old are you?" After I realized the questions were repetitive I learned how to respond to the questions in Spanish then follow up with "Mi espanol es muy poco, estoy aprendiendo" and finish with a little chuckle or a smile to show I'm making some effort to communicate rather that pulling out the google translate right away. When I changed from Sosua to Cartagena the questions remained the same so I had a little communication skills under my belt. The ones that ask me the questions in English (so you know they have done their homework and this lifestyle is not new to them) and I respond to them in Spanish, I catch off guard and things go well because we both know we are experienced on what's about to happen.

But as you said his story is full of laughs even when airport security took the coins for themselves jajajaja. Reading his report was like watching that 1988 movie Moving with Richard Prior. And the quote instantly comes to mind "Life is not a big joke, It's a series of thousand little jokes, all lined up in a row! When the old hag and niece cleaned out all the groceries and took them and he told the cops and the cops asked him to prove it with a receipt I busted out laughing so hard my head started to hurt.

Dublin definitely needed an experienced Wingman. A simple PM to OnFireBoy to retain their services after the second incident could have changed the negative outcome of the trip.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2602118]You placed yourself in a very bad scenario, why the hell would you let two working girls sleep in the spare room while you take on a third? They out number you three to one and you cannot watch all three of them at all times. You left your money out in the open. Yes, we can do that in Thailand because most if not all are on their best behavior but not in Colombia. [/QUOTE]I don't understand why you guys put Thailand on a pedestal, LOL. They steal in Thailand too. Try it. Leave a few bahts here and there as if by accident. Not every girl steals, but eventually your coins will be gone, guaranteed.

I'd never leave money in the open -- not in Thailand, not in Brazil, not in the DR, not in Colombia, not in the US for that matter, LOL. Money, electronics, passport, driver's license, everything of a value must be secured.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602492]I accept that my post was not going to show me in a good light. The reason I posted was that I was under an obligation to make a trip report to those who had given me useful advice. If I'd told you anything else other than this, that would have been dishonest. I am sure you are aware that the difference between truth and fiction, is that fiction has to be believable.

So what would convince you? How about my email to the Irish Embassy asking them for help in contacting KLM so that I could get an early flight booked. Although it doesn't have the same explicit detail as my TR, it does give the basic details about my doping and robbery, and in a later reply to them a couple of days later, report of my having been extorted by the cops. I am not going to publish it on here because it contains personal identifiers. But if there is someone who is prepared to act as honest broker, I will forward the chain onto them so they can confirm that I had already reported my case to the Embassy. I assume that the person selected will not republish.[/QUOTE]I actually salute you for your honest report. Everything you've highlighted is real, even if most of your misgivings have resulted from your own mistakes.

In Colombia girls can: lie to you, upsell you, scam you, steal from you, spike your drink and rob you. Cops can extort money from you if you put yourself in a vulnerable position. You've experienced the worst Colombia can offer. All these risks are real, and other people reading this forum will hopefully take notice.

Common sense and listening to people who've "been there done that" won't eliminate the risks, but can reduce them substantially, so again thank you for your report, consider it a public service.

And you don't need to prove anything, this is just silly.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2602947]

His response was that he had experience in SEA. He was generous and offering a good deal. That was all true, but he did not get that the women did not trust someone like him. I mean, how many times in Latin history have American or Western European countries invested in LA and tried to work out a mutually beneficial arrangement just to watch the Latinos steal them blind? Dublin just did not get that. The Latinos have the attitude that they are going to screw you over before you screw them over.

In my experience, you have to go way up the Colombian socioeconomic food chain to find women truly interested in even the shortest of long term arrangements, and Dublin did not get that. It is his loss though though that he did not accommodate to the culture. His real flaw was that he expected the culture should adapt to him unlike his adapting to the culture. It is his right to look down the nose of that inferior culture of Colombia, and it is inferior but what he is losing out on is a fantastic mongering destination for those who can adjust to the culture.[/QUOTE]I agree. Dublin had a good deal offering. However instead of driving the car; the chicas chose to steal the gas. Besides someone familiar with the culture and Dublin; who would have Predicted those events would happen with him being so generous and well traveled?

Professionals look for business opportunities and hustlers look for money. Dealing with SW's offering them business proposals Can lead to contradictory of outcomes. Not only that but brother Dublin there may be a character weakness that they zeroed in on you.

Most of the people who came in contact with you tried to play you. The fact that they continuously try to run game on you shows their lack of respect. After seeing how you handle your business with them; they still see you as a target. There's some type of vibe that you are giving that makes them fill comfortable handling you that way. Maybe it's your generous heart.

In the DR I learn my game from the hustlers. They made me sharp, aware of my environment, and aware of how I deal with different people. The game wasn't free. It cost me financially and mentally.

I like how you took some accountability of your own actions. I'm pretty sure in time you'll see other ways you can improve on next time. It's all about living, learning, and sharing your experience. Thank you for your post.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2603021]I don't understand why you guys put Thailand on a pedestal, LOL. They steal in Thailand too. Try it. Leave a few bahts here and there as if by accident. Not every girl steals, but eventually your coins will be gone, guaranteed.

I'd never leave money in the open -- not in Thailand, not in Brazil, not in the DR, not in Colombia, not in the US for that matter, LOL. Money, electronics, passport, driver's license, everything of a value must be secured.[/QUOTE]Thailand is not being being put on a pedestal as they have their scams too but its less likely to happen in Thailand and more likely to happen in Latin America especially when traveling solo. I've left money sitting on the nightstand many times in Pattaya when doing long time and it never goes missing same with my friends. I've left money on the nightstand a few times in Sosua and when I came out the shower it was gone, when I asked the chicas what happened to the money they usually say Taxi and I know damn well the motoconcho is only 100 pesos for them max so I don't know where they thought they can take all the loose bills on the table so I never left anything out again. Another thing was since the 1000 peso and 100 peso colors and numbers are almost the same, mongers not paying attention think they handing 100 pesos for motoconcho but they handing over 1000 peso, they slipping. By the time I switched from Sosua to Colombia I knew better not to do certain things and almost impossible for mongers to mix up the money as the only ones looking similar in color are the 20 mil and 5 mil.

I find the Thailand scams a little more sophisticated where most won't know what happened until after it happened, than the Latin America opportunistic grab what you can right then and there where you instantly notice somethings missing like cellphone, watch, money, jewelry, etc.

For example I got scammed in Thailand was I went into a gogo bar saw a girl I liked and wanted her for the night. She said her price was 6 girly drinks plus the bar fine. So I asked her how much for the night, it was a reasonable amount, I brought the girly drinks then paid the fine and the girl disappeared for like 15 minutes. So I'm asking where the hell the girl went cause I'm loosing time. Another girl comes out and say the girl can't come with me because she have an emergency but she can come instead. So I said no you're not what I paid for and asked for the mamasan, she comes out I explain what's going on, she understands and refunds the bar fine. So essentially I got the girl her drink quota for the night then she stiffed me.

Another scam I got caught in and my friends Thai girl got me out of it was I met a girl inside of club and she was cool so I wanted her for the night and we struck a deal. When we were leaving to go back to my hotel she said she wanted to go drink at her friends bar before we go to the hotel. Ok cool! So I go with her to her friends bar, we walk in, and its like she know everyone there. We get a table and about 5 Thai guys and 2 girls come over to join us, she orders this big bottle of whisky, open it and start pouring drinks for everyone. I'm thinking we about to party hard! I call my friend who left the club the same time we did but he went back to his hotel room with his Thai girl. So I tell him what's going on and to come join us. When the girl who was with him heard what was going on she took the phone from him and told me don't drink anything, tell the girl that your friend is coming but can't find the place so your going outside to meet him. Then when you get outside get on a bike taxi and come straight to the hotel. I have no clue what's going on, it was my first time in Pattaya. I get to the hotel hype, telling them lets go back and party. The girl tells me no, what's going to happen is that the girl was going to make me pay for the big bottle of whiskey and all the drinks for her and friends then act like she's too drunk to come with me and most likely one of those guys was her boyfriend so they were going to use me for free drinks.

I've had my learning moments in Thailand 555.

To be honest we need Asia to open back up so these newbies can go back over there and leave Latin America alone so things can get back to normal down there.

I'm in Cartagena and tomorrow am planning on going down to Playa Bonita with my Chica. I'm getting a taxi to take me there who will wait for me in the parking lot and it will cost 250 K for the day, or say most of the day. I'm not trying to save money and just want the freedom to arrive and leave when I want. Advice needed is any recommendations based on experience there at the beach. I know it won't be crowded being a weekday, but have heard some weird stories, so any advice or tips besides transport there would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2603312]I find the Thailand scams a little more sophisticated where most won't know what happened until after it happened, than the Latin America opportunistic grab what you can right then and there where you instantly notice somethings missing like cellphone, watch, money, jewelry, etc.[/QUOTE]Exactly! In Thailand they play you for the long con like houses and your life savings. In Latin America they play you for the short con.

My favorite one is about dude that met a chick at the bar. He took her for his girlfriend and some kind of way she convinced him to buy an elephant park for $100,000. Soon after he bought the shit the girl disappeared. So he is going to the elephant farm everyday working and bossing people around. Come to find out the girl split with the money, but told the people at the elephant farm that the guy was going to come do volunteer work everyday. He didn't speak or read Thai, so what the fuck business did he have calling himself making investments on the word of a broad he met in a bar?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2603936]Exactly! In Thailand they play you for the long con like houses and your life savings. In Latin America they play you for the short con.

My favorite one is about dude that met a chick at the bar. He took her for his girlfriend and some kind of way she convinced him to buy an elephant park for $100,000. Soon after he bought the shit the girl disappeared. So he is going to the elephant farm everyday working and bossing people around. Come to find out the girl split with the money, but told the people at the elephant farm that the guy was going to come do volunteer work everyday. He didn't speak or read Thai, so what the fuck business did he have calling himself making investments on the word of a broad he met in a bar?[/QUOTE]There are stupid people and there are really stupid people. When I did business in China and Philippines I came across lot of people promising high level contacts and looking for investment. I pretend to be interested in a girls uncle who had a timber business. Another in China who said she knew some politicians who can get me a buyer for the iron ore I was selling. I have heard some who lost everything in scams buying a bar in Angeles. There are many stories. I lost a cheap phone in Sosua trusting a girl. Another girl took 3000 pesos of my gamble winnings in Manila. I was drunk and forgot to put money in the safe which I always do but this girl had stayed with me few times before.

Bottom line is trust yourself only.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2603839]I'm in Cartagena and tomorrow am planning on going down to Playa Bonita with my Chica. I'm getting a taxi to take me there who will wait for me in the parking lot and it will cost 250 K for the day, or say most of the day. I'm not trying to save money and just want the freedom to arrive and leave when I want. Advice needed is any recommendations based on experience there at the beach. I know it won't be crowded being a weekday, but have heard some weird stories, so any advice or tips besides transport there would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I think you are talking about Playa Blanca. I did that with a chica 2 years ago on a weekday. We took a ponga to the east about 2 miles to Playa Tranquila because it is very crowded by the parking lot with lots of vendors around. Down there it is very private and quiet. Much nicer. I had the driver come with us and bought him lunch because I liked the guy. He took lots of pics and videos for me which was great. Shit is expensive down there and they did try to rip me off but I paid with Amex and later disputed the charge. Amex sided with me, a good customer, which I knew they would when I signed because I have done it before and knocked $560 off an $860 bill. I paid what I thought was fair for what we got. I knew they were trying a rip off when the bill came but also that I was drunk, tired and wanted that boat ride back so I just signed it. They actually almost doubled what I signed for. We had a very nice set up with cushy lounge chairs and shade. Lots of beers, waters and great pina coladas in pineapples. Also the boat ride, massages for me and the chica and 3 fish lunches. Next time I would hammer out with them an all inclusive price at the beginning and of course pay with a credit card because they will try to rip you. It was an awesome day and then back to the airbnb for insane sex. I think I paid the driver 300 mil but we we a full day at least 10 hours.

Playa Blanca and Isla Baru and the bird sanctuary is a must see when you are in CTG, take the girl with you and it will be a forever romantic memory!! I pad 250 to the taxi but paid a lot more when we got to the Playa to get private beds and food etc and waiters to take care of you. It is a slight ripoff as they charge Gringo extra price hahaha but worth it very easily to have a seamless and fun day!

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2604256]Playa Blanca and Isla Baru and the bird sanctuary is a must see when you are in CTG, take the girl with you and it will be a forever romantic memory!! I pad 250 to the taxi but paid a lot more when we got to the Playa to get private beds and food etc and waiters to take care of you. It is a slight ripoff as they charge Gringo extra price hahaha but worth it very easily to have a seamless and fun day![/QUOTE]Went today. Three people, 220 K for three fish lunches and beers including lounger and umbrella rental. Two banana boat rides at 30 K, and 250 K for taxi who waited or about 500 K for three from 10;30 AM to 4 PM.

Interesting when entering Baru Island, exactly like the Dominican Republic, people living there look like Dominicans. Lots of people on motorbikes not wearing helmets. The beach very similar to Sosua beach.

Would not recommend going there on a weekend though. Very crowded but for a week day tolerable and the beach was very nice, much nicer than in Cartagena.

Cartagena is growing on me. Staying at the Dann Hotel and this morning I got up at 6:30 AM and had coffee. Walked about 25 minutes along the beach up to the Dubai Hotel, put on my flippers and goggles and it took about 30 minutes to swim back to the Dann Hotel. Got back to the room, sessioned with my Chica, we had breakfast, then went to Playa Bonita and came home at 4:30 PM. Sessioned again, then went into the Old City for dinner. Back in the room now but to tired to session and will wait for sun up as it has been a long day.

If you are willing to spend, the high end resorts on Baru are excellent. I stayed at Hotel Islas and the amenities were better than any I had in Cancun or Tulum. The chica I took with me was stunned. Made the sex way better. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2604607]If you are willing to spend, the high end resorts on Baru are excellent. I stayed at Hotel Islas and the amenities were better than any I had in Cancun or Tulum. The chica I took with me was stunned. Made the sex way better. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks for posting, while there are you bothered by the locals to buy stuff, and beggars.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2604434]Cartagena is growing on me. Staying at the Dann Hotel and this morning I got up at 6:30 AM and had coffee. Walked about 25 minutes along the beach up to the Dubai Hotel, put on my flippers and goggles and it took about 30 minutes to swim back to the Dann Hotel. Got back to the room, sessioned with my Chica, we had breakfast, then went to Playa Bonita and came home at 4:30 PM. Sessioned again, then went into the Old City for dinner. Back in the room now but to tired to session and will wait for sun up as it has been a long day.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a great trip. Do you know what the deal is at the Dann as far as bringing in multiple chicas one at a time? Have you seen anybody doing that?

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2604256]Playa Blanca and Isla Baru and the bird sanctuary is a must see when you are in CTG, take the girl with you and it will be a forever romantic memory!! I pad 250 to the taxi but paid a lot more when we got to the Playa to get private beds and food etc and waiters to take care of you. It is a slight ripoff as they charge Gringo extra price hahaha but worth it very easily to have a seamless and fun day![/QUOTE]I have found a hack that works for me when it comes to gringo prices. When I am with a chica I discuss with her first and let her do the negotiations on the prices. I kind of play the background and let her bargain and barter. This has worked for me on numerous occasions in Cartagena and honestly it's how I roll now. Me and the chica get our game plan together beforehand and she is the one out front making the deals and then she reports back to me. The chica will already know or can find out what the locals are paying versus what the gringos are paying.

[QUOTE=Sailor501;2604615]Thanks for posting, while there are you bothered by the locals to buy stuff, and beggars.[/QUOTE]There were none. The (white sand) beach was private with only the guests there. Really fun time.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2604607]If you are willing to spend, the high end resorts on Baru are excellent. I stayed at Hotel Islas and the amenities were better than any I had in Cancun or Tulum. The chica I took with me was stunned. Made the sex way better. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing and it looks like a nice place to relax. It gives me the vibe of Bali. Hotel Islas is probably a good 50 km away from Cartagena. I think this is the link to the hotel ([URL]https://www.lasislas.com.co[/URL]).

May I know how did you get there and the approx transportation cost?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2604676]There were none. The (white sand) beach was private with only the guests there. Really fun time.[/QUOTE]From the parking lot where did you head to and how far did you go? Did you walk it or take a lancha?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2604714]Thanks for sharing and it looks like a nice place to relax. It gives me the vibe of Bali. Hotel Islas is probably a good 50 km away from Cartagena. I think this is the link to the hotel ([URL]https://www.lasislas.com.co[/URL]).

May I know how did you get there and the approx transportation cost?[/QUOTE]I took a private car arranged by the resort. The driver picked us up from my Airbnb in Centro and drove us to Baru. Was 200 k COP both ways in an air conditioned car. Love the countryside outside of CTG.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2604721]From the parking lot where did you head to and how far did you go? Did you walk it or take a lancha?[/QUOTE]This isn't in Playa Blanca. This was a private resort. I walked from my cabana to the beach.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2604994]This isn't in Playa Blanca. This was a private resort. I walked from my cabana to the beach.[/QUOTE]What was the name of the resort?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2605002]What was the name of the resort?[/QUOTE]Hotel Las Islas.

[URL]https://www.lasislas.com.co/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2604626]Sounds like a great trip. Do you know what the deal is at the Dann as far as bringing in multiple chicas one at a time? Have you seen anybody doing that?[/QUOTE]I honestly did not see any other mongers at the Hotel with young tarts in tow like me there and I've stayed there about six times in the last two months. I always just check in with one Chica and no problem doing that, but mutiple Chicas, I don't know what the policy is.

The Hotel is unique in that it is one of the few located right on the beach versus across the street like most of the other Hotels. This photo is from the balcony of the room I typically get there. I highly recommend the place if your thinking of staying with one Chica for a few days.

I'm in Cartegena Now and things are much improved since June when everything was uptight there are many chicas everything is fun and open there are all kinds of posse's running around here which is entertaining to watch and the world is already out about the posse's being cheap and hard to deal. One girl told me flat out she won't have anything to do with them. But they're still attract the vendors like flies. I think this would be on a case-by-case basis but the squad concept is kind of unattractive to begin with..... However everybody is friendly enough to fellow gringos which is all I really care about to each his own.

As far as the guys who take a hard line on trying to get deals out of the girls and try to bargain too hard with the vendors it's not going to work it's coming back on you, I just will put a Target on your back. I've been coming here for several years several times a year everyone knows me they know my face they welcome me and they understand the way I operate it's the same for all the people who try to be difficult-.

Hello everyone!

Second trip to Cartagena here; last trip I hung out under the clock tower drinking beers and mongering for a week.

I prefer strip clubs; and it seems Medellin was much better for that type of atmosphere (Any and all suggestions welcomed! Also what's the universal going rate for take out back to my hotel these days?

Thanks in advance!

I am arriving in Cartagena in mid October for a weeks stay and I have an additional week to visit other areas if I tire of CTG. I am considering a jaunt to a little town called Playa Palomino, which is past Santa Marta or going in the other direction to Playa Rincon Del Mar or perhaps some of the nearby islands in that archipelago. From a review of Air BnB and trip advisor, the accommodations at Rincand appear fairly primitive and the islands are either absurdly expensive or cheap hostel shared dorm style. Palomino may have a few nicer places to stay but they too appear few and far between.

Curious if anyone has been there or has comments on their experiences. Obviously, it would prob be better to BYO as I suspect mongering on the ground in either place is quite limited. But maybe I can find company in CTG?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2605340]I'm in Cartegena Now and things are much improved since June when everything was uptight there are many chicas everything is fun and open there are all kinds of posse's running around here which is entertaining to watch and the world is already out about the posse's being cheap and hard to deal. One girl told me flat out she won't have anything to do with them. But they're still attract the vendors like flies. I think this would be on a case-by-case basis but the squad concept is kind of unattractive to begin with..... However everybody is friendly enough to fellow gringos which is all I really care about to each his own.

As far as the guys who take a hard line on trying to get deals out of the girls and try to bargain too hard with the vendors it's not going to work it's coming back on you, I just will put a Target on your back. I've been coming here for several years several times a year everyone knows me they know my face they welcome me and they understand the way I operate it's the same for all the people who try to be difficult-.[/QUOTE]Great advice on the bargaining. I just keep it to a minimum and don't try to beat them down too hard. I find that a lot of the time the chicas end up spending 2,3 hours or more because of the good vibes and time I am showing them instead of a hard bargained business like 1 hour. Then they come back for more. Not all the time but when it happens its awesome and then you really get a bargain. Where do you stay in CTG that is chica freindly?

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2605302]Hotel Las Islas.

[URL]https://www.lasislas.com.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]Very nice, how many nights did you stay there? Is there any good snorkeling available?

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2605382]I am considering a jaunt to a little town called Playa Palomino, which is past Santa Marta or going in the other direction to Playa Rincon Del Mar or perhaps some of the nearby islands in that archipelago. From a review of Air BnB and trip advisor, the accommodations at Rincand appear fairly primitive and the islands are either absurdly expensive or cheap hostel shared dorm style. Palomino may have a few nicer places to stay but they too appear few and far between.

Curious if anyone has been there or has comments on their experiences. Obviously, it would prob be better to BYO as I suspect mongering on the ground in either place is quite limited. But maybe I can find company in CTG?[/QUOTE]I spent nearly a week in Palomino, shortly before the pandemic started. It is certainly BYO chica. It is a small, and very hippy-centric town. I had heard a lot about it but honestly, was not impressed. It's practically a one-dirt-street town. The beach was not that nice either, in my opinion. It had suffered a tremendous amount of erosion and was very narrrow, not much sand. The entry to the water was very steep, making for shore-pound waves (not very swimmer friendly), and the in-shore ocean water was very brown and sandy. Certainly not what one thinks of when dreaming of the Caribbean. If one is determined to visit Palomino, then I imagine that one of the high-end boutique bed and breakfasts nearby would be the best call.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Barranquilla, and will return, possibly for Carnival. Casas were fun, as was dating off of Tinder. Lots of activity. Got plenty of free and cheap poon. Entirely good experiences. Personally, I prefer Barranquilla to CTG any day, just fits my vibe better.

Santa Marta is relatively near to CTG also.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Kafka;2605340]I'm in Cartegena Now and things are much improved since June when everything was uptight there are many chicas everything is fun and open there are all kinds of posse's running around here which is entertaining to watch and the world is already out about the posse's being cheap and hard to deal. One girl told me flat out she won't have anything to do with them. But they're still attract the vendors like flies. I think this would be on a case-by-case basis but the squad concept is kind of unattractive to begin with..... However everybody is friendly enough to fellow gringos which is all I really care about to each his own.

As far as the guys who take a hard line on trying to get deals out of the girls and try to bargain too hard with the vendors it's not going to work it's coming back on you, I just will put a Target on your back. I've been coming here for several years several times a year everyone knows me they know my face they welcome me and they understand the way I operate it's the same for all the people who try to be difficult-.[/QUOTE]You are so right on this. I always tell my friends that the chicas are the best resource for information so keep them as friends and talk to them about daily things so you learn more. The whole "posse" mentality is why I only travel with 1 or 2 people max now. There have been many times when we are in the club and a chica will ask me where I'm staying and as soon as I say AirBB or casa they immediately want to know how many people are staying there with me. At first I was thinking they want to get me alone to drug me and rob me but then come to find out that's no the case, they ask because based on their experience and what other girls tell them, if there are allot of guys in the house multiple guys will try to fuck them for free without paying and then try to kick them out if they don't do it (This happened on my last trip with a chica who ended coming over to my place to sleep for the night because it was after curfew and unsafe for her to travel the distance home). Some chicas will refuse to go with a gringo when she finds out there are multiple guys staying there. On my last trip a new girl I got from tinder came over for a morning session and when she came in and saw how big the place was she wanted to search the whole apartment before we do anything, I couldn't help it but laugh but she heard stories and was scared. I had to have my boys chica who slept over come out his room and talk to her, then she was cool. But I understand her point of view, since Newbie left it was just 2 of us in that 3 bedroom 4 bathroom duplex. Usually when my friends and I get girls from the club, if one of them knows one of us from for another girls Instagram story or whatsapp status it works in our favor and she's totally relaxed and will talk to the other girls who don't know us to ensure them were not going to do anything stupid and everyone's happy. Its not as advanced as the Thai network where they take your picture and toss it in their secret group chat to get all the info if the gringo is good or bad but its a start.

I keep telling these guys coming from the Tristate area, DMV, ATL or Miami that they don't need a whole basketball team with them but they just don't get it.

Enjoy your time there! I know I sure did despite it raining every day jajaja. Every time I get on that plane to come back state side I start the countdown lock to the next return trip.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2605422]Great advice on the bargaining. I just keep it to a minimum and don't try to beat them down too hard. I find that a lot of the time the chicas end up spending 2,3 hours or more because of the good vibes and time I am showing them instead of a hard bargained business like 1 hour. Then they come back for more. Not all the time but when it happens its awesome and then you really get a bargain. Where do you stay in CTG that is chica freindly?[/QUOTE]Bargaining have become tiring now. When you have these new chicas telling you 800 mil la noche and its midnight it becomes so frustrating and usually we settle somewhere in the middle. Now I hardly try to get anything at night and just get them in the day due to day time I can get the same girl for 150 mil or 200 mil she comes over between 9 am or 10 am and hangs out for hours and I usually get 2 polvos if I'm not too sore. I say its all fair game if they want to overcharge then its fair to lowball them and see if they walk away to the next gringo who is willing to pay. I believe this is why I usually end up with many Venezuelans in my contact list, because based on my experience they are more reasonable with the price. The only downside is when I return they may not be there because they went back home or immigration issues.

But yes, I can't wait to return this year. Only downside is all my usual AirBB prices are way more expensive toward the end of the year or booked solid.

[QUOTE=AroundTheGlobe;2605343]Hello everyone!

Second trip to Cartagena here; last trip I hung out under the clock tower drinking beers and mongering for a week.

I prefer strip clubs; and it seems Medellin was much better for that type of atmosphere (Any and all suggestions welcomed! Also what's the universal going rate for take out back to my hotel these days?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Marina Paradiso, about 10 minutes from clock tower, but worth it if your looking for a good strip club with everything you need on site. Rooms, 20-30 girls, party supplies, reasonable prices.

My personal life doesn't allow me much opportunity to stumble unto this forum. That being said. As a long time member (many many years) I continue to visit and chime in when possible as this community always avoided trolling, children, and confrontation. It's about sharing information. And most importantly: mongering
After a bit of catching up I was astonished at some of the rubbish being tossed around.

Anyways; please excuse the rant and please allow me to heed my own advice and stay on point. Cartagena.

Arrived daytime and checked into airbnb 1 pmish daytime. Did a light stroll through side streets into clock tower and only stumbled onto two chubby SW. I'm a bit spoiled so I passed and this is now two day trips into Cartagena around clock tower where I find it difficult. It seems the internet is the best way to find hotties (Call me ol' fashion. I simply enjoy the scouring. Will try beach today as I've had luck in the past there during the day. Day compared to night are truly two separate sides of a coin in this town.

Buddy wanted to gamble so we ubered up to Casino Rio where despite wagering much higher denominations than anyone around us. It's nothing to the liking of Las Vegas where the chips attract honey. Here in Cartagena they seem to keep a lot of girls out of the casinos. Outside of girls already paired with men. I saw not-a-one. Got caught up w / beers, laughs and gamble and didn't make it to Clock / Watch Tower till 1:30 amish.

** There is a 2 am co-vid curfew in effect right now on this day in Cartagena*.

I had NO idea about this. While bullshitting with the girls I was told you could be fined. American I met said same thing. Information is posted online. Cops outside my airbnb were shooing people off the streets.

Arriving to Watch Tower about 1:30 am on a Friday I walked into at least 50+++ girls lined up on the wall, meandering around. Beer vendors and all the commotion! Genuinely didn't realize I was pressed for time.

Got attached by a young Venezuelan girl. Looked great with skirt. Drastically decreased while naked yet still terrific. Swore we agreed to 250,000 COP though once back at airbnb she hits me with 300,000. My buddy had her Amiga- they're giggling having fun so I simply went along. Back of my head I want to toss her out and replace.

Buddy with more exp. Paid 200,000 1 HR.

Got the job done extremely quick. 15 minutes to completetion. Then boy did both our attitudes change. She became an obsessed "Propena" witch!

I continued to tell her to relax, calm down. Just enjoy your beer and wait for your friend. "No no no. Propensity propensity propensity taxi taxi".

Offered 20,000 COP and she refuses. Continues to press. By this time I'm starting to get annoyed as I gave her the initial 50,000 pre-tip as a friendly gesture. Mistake (I finally change my tune. She wants to find her friend but we're in an extremely large place. (5 bedrooms) she walks out into the front of the house and I lock the front door so she cannot bother my friend and begin to walk her down the stairs as I'm through with this game. She obliges as there's cages and I verbally tell her I'll ok her ass in, I don't give a fuck I want some street food!

While ordering a hotdog she's still fucking asking me for taxi $$ She's going to the next door hotel security, telling random Colombian strangers. I mean wtf! She eventually walks up to the police who were ushering people off the busy street. I'm not taking my chances so I simply walk back to front of my airbnb and lock myself behind my metal cage and stand there drinking my beer.

She realizes no more $$$ - reaches through and hits me. Walks off.

Was extremely rude as I over paid, was a gentleman, offered taxi $$$ and my sex manuvers were light.

Moral of story: don't impulse purchase. Sometimes getting to know her a little bit may go along way? I dunno.

Today will try anew and hope to find a sweet gem.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2605449]Very nice, how many nights did you stay there? Is there any good snorkeling available?[/QUOTE]I stayed 4 nights. The resort has snorkeling / scuba diving available on site.

Hello gents,

I am a first-timer to Cartagena. Do you have the tips to find the girls? I tried [URL]SA.com[/URL] for a few days, but didn't find any matches in Cartagena.

Which is the surprise, because I had lots of luck in Bogata and Medellin the past week.

Is there a way to find safe girls who will not rob and drugs me in my Airbnb. Agency girls? I don't mind paying a bit extra.

I don't think I will feel comfortable with just pick girl in streets. Esp since my building doesn't have security guard at night.

Hope you can help me with good advices.

Of if you have names and don't mind sharing, please PM me. I will appreciates.

U1.

That's a pretty good assessment. I suspected the beach sucked as saw a you tube video where it did not look very enticing. I have been to towns like these as you described and I am quite done with that atmosphere. My guess is it's nearly the same in Rincon del Mar though no one has responded to my inquiry on that place.

In my prior trips to Cartagena, I visited Santa Marta a few times and it's somewhat entertaining. I got real lucky in Bananas several years ago as I met a real stunner from MDE. She only stayed there a short while and lost touch with her but she is in my personal hall of fame. There is a nice boutique style hotel across the street from there where I frequently stayed.

I am tempted to try Barranquilla if only to check out the massage places, which appear to be quite plentiful, plus the prices are right there, especially compared to CTG. I am staying at a double suite at the Santa Clara in Cartagena for a week as a buddy of mine is using his time share from another location in US and offered me the extra room. That's the good news; the bad news is it's next to impossible to sneak a chica in there. However, I do have several extra days after my Santa Clara stay and trying to decide the best option.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2605458]I spent nearly a week in Palomino, shortly before the pandemic started. It is certainly BYO chica. It is a small, and very hippy-centric town. I had heard a lot about it but honestly, was not impressed. It's practically a one-dirt-street town. The beach was not that nice either, in my opinion. It had suffered a tremendous amount of erosion and was very narrrow, not much sand. The entry to the water was very steep, making for shore-pound waves (not very swimmer friendly), and the in-shore ocean water was very brown and sandy. Certainly not what one thinks of when dreaming of the Caribbean. If one is determined to visit Palomino, then I imagine that one of the high-end boutique bed and breakfasts nearby would be the best call.

I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Barranquilla, and will return, possibly for Carnival. Casas were fun, as was dating off of Tinder. Lots of activity. Got plenty of free and cheap poon. Entirely good experiences. Personally, I prefer Barranquilla to CTG any day, just fits my vibe better.

Santa Marta is relatively near to CTG also.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AroundTheGlobe;2605679]

Got the job done extremely quick. 15 minutes to completetion. Then boy did both our attitudes change. She became an obsessed "Propena" witch!

I continued to tell her to relax, calm down. Just enjoy your beer and wait for your friend. "No no no. Propensity propensity propensity taxi taxi".

Offered 20,000 COP and she refuses. Continues to press. By this time I'm starting to get annoyed as I gave her the initial 50,000 pre-tip as a friendly gesture. Mistake (I finally change my tune. She wants to find her friend but we're in an extremely large place. (5 bedrooms) she walks out into the front of the house and I lock the front door so she cannot bother my friend and begin to walk her down the stairs as I'm through with this game. She obliges as there's cages and I verbally tell her I'll ok her ass in, I don't give a fuck I want some street food!

While ordering a hotdog she's still fucking asking me for taxi $$ She's going to the next door hotel security, telling random Colombian strangers. I mean wtf! She eventually walks up to the police who were ushering people off the busy street. I'm not taking my chances so I simply walk back to front of my airbnb and lock myself behind my metal cage and stand there drinking my beer.
.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. As you've guessed, you've gotten one of those rotten dirty scoundrels. Or maybe just a psycho, perhaps. Better luck next time.

Arrived in Cartagena late and it was raining. Quickly checked into my Airbnb and my friend and I hit the block. Hit both clubs but my friend is very choosy. We run into this problem everywhere we go. Prior to coming I was giving him photos of Friends of friends. He saw a few he liked however once Our feet touch the ground he became disinterest.

We went to both delirium and space. We also went to the club next to space. The women were asking American dollars. My friend is an all night man. I tried to negotiate with one Chica. I asked her her price and she had to go and talk to her friends. She came back and said $300 and something dollars for all night. I told her she will not eat tonight.

I had a repeat that said her prices were 300 k an hour or 600 k all night. I had to show her my photo. Sorry mommy you cannot up charge me. My conscience would not let me do it.

It seems like unless you're on the Internet these chica are Generic. When I walked into delirium I felt like I was in Classico. Though I like hip-hop; I really don't like the club scene. I'm definitely not going to drink any alcohol. Time got the best of us so we called it a night. One day and Cartagena was a somewhat disappointment; But I will say I'll be back.

I noticed the taxi drivers are being more and more deceitful. Gentlemen please have your 10 k peso or small change Ahead of time. If you give them a large bill do not expect to get your full change. I had one cab driver telling me it was a tip and would not give me my complete change. The argument was to no avail because I gave The big bill And I know how taxi drivers can get down. It wasn't about the money with me. I was upset because he looked at me holding onto my money asserting is propina.

I had another cab driver they drove me around 10 extra minutes. It was only a five minute drive but I was trying to find my Airbnb. I gave him 70 k pesos for helping me. That MF started asking for some more. I told him in English to kick rocks. He didn't understand the words but he understood my body language.

There was another cab driver who try to charge us 30 K for a normally 10 K ride. His excuse was it's raining. I told him to get his money from mother nature because it's not my fault.

These cabdrivers attitudes are so different than how they were in January. This is being corrupted fast and we mongers are the root cause of it. With more and more Americans in large groups spinning money loosely; I can only imagine how things are going to be in another 6 to 8 months.
Another problem I had was the Uber driver canceling my ride. That was a reason why we were late waiting on an Uber driver. I had several cancel because my payment is through my credit card. If its not cash they will sometimes cancel.
One guy in Bogota asked me was I paying in cash or card. After three cancel rides and a total of 40 minutes waiting; we started using the taxi. Somehow Uber will not allow me to change my payment method to cash.

I am arriving mid October and forgot what the taxi fare is from airport to El Centro. Can someone provide? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2606000]I am arriving mid October and forgot what the taxi fare is from airport to El Centro. Can someone provide? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well two weeks ago it cost me 21 k pesos. Prices have been going up? In July I paid 18 k.

Tomasb, hope you remember my new handle (limited access). We've corresponded before under another's friend's handle.

[QUOTE=AroundTheGlobe;2605679]My personal life doesn't allow me much opportunity to stumble unto this forum. That being said. As a long time member (many many years) I continue to visit and chime in when possible as this community always avoided trolling, children, and confrontation. It's about sharing information. And most importantly: mongering
After a bit of catching up I was astonished at some of the rubbish being tossed around.

Anyways; please excuse the rant and please allow me to heed my own advice and stay on point. Cartagena.

Arrived daytime and checked into airbnb 1 pmish daytime. Did a light stroll through side streets into clock tower and only stumbled onto two chubby SW. I'm a bit spoiled so I passed and this is now two day trips into Cartagena around clock tower where I find it difficult. It seems the internet is the best way to find hotties (Call me ol' fashion. I simply enjoy the scouring. Will try beach today as I've had luck in the past there during the day. Day compared to night are truly two separate sides of a coin in this town..[/QUOTE]Since every idiot now have a passport things changed. These weekend millionaires fly down, throw money and leave messing things up for the next monger.

If you read some of my reports I wee out allot of shit every day and just when I think I have it to a science something new comes along.

Your host should have told you about the 2 am - 5 am curfew when you checked in, it is a curtesy they should have given you.

Gong to the clockTower in the daytime is a big no that place is only for 9 pm - 1 am. You should head to HollyWood Beach around Kiosk#4 around 1 pm - 5 pm. Avoid Jose and his son, and all the annoying vendors. Get a chair close to water and hunt for what you want as they will be constantly walking by.

The chicas asking for payment in American dollars? As I've said before in my reports, my chicas tell me they are laughing at gringos coming down and asking how much, when the chica tell them $300 for the night the gringo think they are getting a deal as up here in the big city's its usually $300 for the hour.

The whole girl going back to talk to her friends about the price you gave her and she coming back to counter with a higher number? Yep! I've had that many times and it is so much bullshit when it happens. But if the chica knows you from her friends and you were good then they won't even negotiate because they know they are going to get paid to have fun.

Your next one should be better. Just a heads up, if you get them from inside the club they will try charge you more. Happy mongering jajaja.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2606000]I am arriving mid October and forgot what the taxi fare is from airport to El Centro. Can someone provide? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Just hand them 20 mil and walk away. Forget about getting change back or giving extra.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2605977]Arrived in Cartagena late and it was raining. Quickly checked into my Airbnb and my friend and I hit the block. Hit both clubs but my friend is very choosy. We run into this problem everywhere we go. Prior to coming I was giving him photos of Friends of friends. He saw a few he liked however once Our feet touch the ground he became disinterest.

We went to both delirium and space. We also went to the club next to space. The women were asking American dollars. My friend is an all night man. I tried to negotiate with one Chica. I asked her her price and she had to go and talk to her friends. She came back and said $300 and something dollars for all night. I told her she will not eat tonight.

I had a repeat that said her prices were 300 k an hour or 600 k all night. I had to show her my photo. Sorry mommy you cannot up charge me. My conscience would not let me do it.[/QUOTE]Yes, the whole back and forth of her talking to her friends then coming back to you with a higher number is always bullshit and whenever they do that to me I usually just walk away, lowball them, or counter with my original price + taxi fare.

Asking for $300 is the new norm as these large city guys are accustom to paying $300 for the hour so when they hear $300 for the night they think they are getting a deal and happily pay for it. Meanwhile the chicas are laughing at them overpaying.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2605984]I noticed the taxi drivers are being more and more deceitful. Gentlemen please have your 10 k peso or small change Ahead of time. If you give them a large bill do not expect to get your full change. I had one cab driver telling me it was a tip and would not give me my complete change. The argument was to no avail because I gave The big bill And I know how taxi drivers can get down. It wasn't about the money with me. I was upset because he looked at me holding onto my money asserting is propina.

I had another cab driver they drove me around 10 extra minutes. It was only a five minute drive but I was trying to find my Airbnb. I gave him 70 k pesos for helping me. That MF started asking for some more. I told him in English to kick rocks. He didn't understand the words but he understood my body language.

There was another cab driver who try to charge us 30 K for a normally 10 K ride. His excuse was it's raining. I told him to get his money from mother nature because it's not my fault.

These cabdrivers attitudes are so different than how they were in January. This is being corrupted fast and we mongers are the root cause of it. With more and more Americans in large groups spinning money loosely; I can only imagine how things are going to be in another 6 to 8 months.
Another problem I had was the Uber driver canceling my ride. That was a reason why we were late waiting on an Uber driver.[/QUOTE]As a chica told me, many of the cab drivers are not actually cab drivers. They are curriers for drugs and other things and the taxi job is their cover. What I normally do is I punch in the address in Waze and once they enter Centro I direct them with "izquierda, derecha, despacito, aqui" My Spanish is very basic but those were the most important words I learned once I realized these cab drivers have no sense of direction once they enter Centro with all the one way streets.

Every idiot with a pulse have a passport now and they are bringing their ways overseas spreading the nonsense. Once these stimulus checks dry up and PPP loan funds dry up things will return to normal.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2606074]Just hand them 20 mil and walk away. Forget about getting change back or giving extra.[/QUOTE]IMHO that seems to be the best Way of handling them. Always have small bills. Have the money you plan on giving them separate before you get in the taxi. It wasn't this bad Eight months ago. You think these guys will be happier because they getting more business.

We were coming from the airport and the price was around 23 k. I Saul a non-cab driver trying to solicit business with his vehicle. I asked him his price and he said 30 k. As I walked off he dropped it down to 20 k. I told him I will give him 40 K if he takes us to an exchange Place. He drove us to a place on the way.

We got the change in under five minutes. When he dropped us off I gave him 50 k. This MF ask for another 20 k. Stating he had to use extra time to get me change. I told him he is the reason I would never use another independent driver again.

He saw I did him a favor not sticking with the regular Taxis and this is how he repays me. I will stick to Uber unless Time is of the essence.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2606166]I asked him his price and he said 30 k. As I walked off he dropped it down to 20 k. I told him I will give him 40 K if he takes us to an exchange Place. He drove us to a place on the way.

We got the change in under five minutes. When he dropped us off I gave him 50 k. This MF ask for another 20 k. [/QUOTE]Reminds me of a phrase about taking kindness for weakness. You Americans need to stop giving away free money. You see the bad habits it creates with the cabbies and chicas alike. A tip in Colombia is the leftover change... a few hundred pesos, not 10K bills.

Present taxi rates from April 2021 with a night surcharge of 700 pesos per ride: [URL]https://www.transitocartagena.gov.co/links/Decretos/Decretos_2018/Decreto_0482.PDF[/URL].

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2606000]I am arriving mid October and forgot what the taxi fare is from airport to El Centro. Can someone provide? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I was in Cartagena last week and paid the taxi 15000 pesos from airport to poblado.

9-10 am.

Wandered outside watch tower around airbnb (Arsenal street) - nada. I want to emphasize to new comers that watch tower during the day is an entire waste of time if mongering. Enjoyable if into history / culture / souvenirs for home!

Arrived Beach - 11:40 am ish.

Specifically "Hollywood Beach" from Watch Tower pass Rio hotel and Hilton on left almost the end of the beach. Locals say it and it sounds like "Bollywood".

Arrived early. Locals swarmed (obc.) Found some inwS comfortable with and buddy and I got a cabana midst of Hollywood Beach (30,000 Pesos / day).

Uber from Watch Tower to Beach was equipment of $3 ish (cheaper than taxi).

Buddy and I booked all day. Handful of aguilas (think I had 4 + waters. HENIKEN. Drinks for swarmers and Chica I finally met ordered two monitos **I knocked one off the table and cost myelf 40,000 pesos).

I'm 90% recalling drink prices. I get drunk and friendly and begin buying drinks for everyone. If on a budget avoid buying chica drinks and tell swarmers go away (which is easier said than done).

Bought a chess board for friends and I to kill time booze and look for girls. Was nothing but locals for quite some time. Noon-2 pm saw nothing end of Hollywood on a Saturdsy. Swarmed co. Tkmued to tell me wait wait amigo 2:00 Chica Chicas!

Paid 45,000 for nice wooden chess set with magnets (he started at 120,000!

Killed time. Drank.

Finally a young (21) beautiful Chica with braces / slight tattoos walks up cabana or TWO I'm front of us! Nice Jean shorts great skin / face. I ask swarmers if working they say yes bring her over. OMG.

Stunning.

Sweet.

Venezuelan!

Yes please! Lose in chess game because I cannot concentrate. Few drinks NEVER once did I feel pressured by her.

We hung out a bit though she spent most of it texting on her phone. (What young girl doesn't) no worries.

Ask her how much for 1 HR. She says 300,00. I counter 250,000. She says 300,000. I'm dru k and apologize for "fucking up prices" but I'm on vacation and don't want to haggle over $15 with a beautiful young Chica that's been so sweet and I had such a poor first experience. (Posted few days ago in this thread).

Uber back. She walks in. Showers - turns on music. Never watches clock. Wonderful time. I pay her and then she claims it was her birthday (fuck) I gave her my tourist Panama hat as a gift (25,000 pesos) and she was off.

Amazing.

Day 3:

Huge shout out to the fellow who told informed about the strip club:

Marina Del Paraiso. (Will find thread and thank you personally later via msg. Owe ya a beer or something- will venmo. You're a true champion).

Holy shit!

Well first off- it's not 10 - it's 20-25 minutes from Watch Tower and it's not for the faint of heart. Have to taxi / Uber through the outskirts of town and you will be the only gringo in Colombian country. That being said. It was safe enough.

Ok this club. Girls 300,000 flat. That's the fee. No more no less 1 HR.

We bought a bottle of snaps (60 k?) And it comes with a booth and a free naked dance. Every girl at the club introduces herself. DJ was on point- can make requests. And they fucking filled glass with ICE on point with tongs one by one every time my glass needed a refill. Make ya feel like a fucking king. I never once paid my Chica for a lap dance- was was happy to be partying and drinking. Lots of selection amd we arrived semi early (7 pmish) Buddy and I both 21 yeat old Chica and one claims to only been working for 1 week (was from Medellin) after hours of dialogue and spending next day with her I 100% believe her. (Will post about our day together separately.

300 k back room after much google translate texting. Drinks. Laughs.

BJ no see (which I rarely do and apologize acronyms poor) though I just went with it. Also allowed me to cum on face! Never asked for tip. She was so great I gave her 50,000 happily without her asking. Swapped information- Buddy had a swell time also and afterward we went to: Pley Club.

Pley Club closes: 2-3 am.

Marina: 24/7 I was told so if you're attempting to excuse the curfew ban this may be your spot. **again this is subjective but as a Las Vegas and globe strip club coinosour so to speak I simply rave about this spot! Gives me goose bumps just thinking about it and I may come back to Cartagena just to kick it here!

OK so Pley Club girls were 300 k. Beers were 10 k-20 k (I drink local domestic. Buddy drinks Heineken which is more expensive everywhere I've seen in Colombia) *he's a princess*.

Man. Selection was so good here. As in holy shit. Girls weren't very aggressive. I finally went with a big fat ass lighter skin girl in red pants (Gosh I'm drawing blank on name).

This night she had a red inside on with the greatest ass I've ever seen on a light skin girl in the history of time. Fake tits (which I normally dislike) and I just had to try this for a ride. If you see her you can't miss her, honestly.

Man one of the best experiences of my life, bar none. And ego aside I've had some experiences! WOW! Fantastic. Eye contact. Multiple positions. No rush. Yes please! Arsed her if ass was fake. She Claes lots of exercise. I fucking believe it. WOW!

Great time strip club hopping in Cartagena! Worth every penny!

According to Questner link listed below, that is about double the published rate.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2606502]I was in Cartagena last week and paid the taxi 15000 pesos from airport to poblado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=United1;2605823]Hello gents,

I am a first-timer to Cartagena. Do you have the tips to find the girls? I tried [URL]SA.com[/URL] for a few days, but didn't find any matches in Cartagena.

Which is the surprise, because I had lots of luck in Bogata and Medellin the past week.

Is there a way to find safe girls who will not rob and drugs me in my Airbnb. Agency girls? I don't mind paying a bit extra.

I don't think I will feel comfortable with just pick girl in streets. Esp since my building doesn't have security guard at night.

Hope you can help me with good advices.

Of if you have names and don't mind sharing, please PM me. I will appreciates.

U1.[/QUOTE]Hi U1,

My friend had success on "seeking arrangements" I prefer lice mongering. Watch Tower 9 pm passed (though lots of pros be ready to negotiate).

And during the day best I found was Hollywood Beach!

Hope this helps and good luck!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2605528]Marina Paradiso, about 10 minutes from clock tower, but worth it if your looking for a good strip club with everything you need on site. Rooms, 20-30 girls, party supplies, reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]Had an extremely good time here which I reported on. Only thing I'd say is it's a bit further than 10 minutes and through a part of town that's dislike some of the states (obv.) Could be frightening for some but strap in and get your monger on. This place worth the trip and the money.

24/7 and the service was spectacular!

Thanks for the tip / recommendation. It's things such as this which makes me continue being a member and sharing when I have a chance!

Thinking of going to Cartagena for a few nights before I leave Colombia.

From what I've read on here I don't think Space, Delirium and Dolce Vita charge a cover charge, is that right? Also what are the approximate prices of soft drinks in those places?

[QUOTE=AroundTheGlobe;2606523]

Day 3:

Huge shout out to the fellow who told informed about the strip club:

Marina Del Paraiso. (Will find thread and thank you personally later via msg. Owe ya a beer or something- will venmo. You're a true champion).

Holy shit! [/QUOTE]Never heard about these places. Sounds like fun.

I was in Cartegena last week, 3 nights, always in Tour del Reloj, many girls but few really nice I met a girl from Caracas and spent the 3 evening with her, very cute a real gem (25 years old), she told me that there is not a lot tourists now instead of July and August, she had no client during 4 nights (incredible) so I think you can propose now 200 000 pesos and if the girl really beautiful then max 300 000 pesos.

Sorry for my english.

Your English is fine and good info. Though it's spelled Torre del Reloj. Or clock tower.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2606957]I was in Cartegena last week, 3 nights, always in Tour del Reloj, many girls but few really nice I met a girl from Caracas and spent the 3 evening with her, very cute a real gem (25 years old), she told me that there is not a lot tourists now instead of July and August, she had no client during 4 nights (incredible) so I think you can propose now 200 000 pesos and if the girl really beautiful then max 300 000 pesos.

Sorry for my english.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=United1;2605823]Hello gents,

I am a first-timer to Cartagena. Do you have the tips to find the girls? I tried [URL]SA.com[/URL] for a few days, but didn't find any matches in Cartagena.

Which is the surprise, because I had lots of luck in Bogata and Medellin the past week.

U1.[/QUOTE]Yeah, SA is not much good for Cartagena. You can fly women in from Bogota or Medellin into Cartagena on the cheap or you can try the nearby town of Barranquilla. Barranquilla is okay for seeking, not as good as Bogota or Medellin, but many of the women there do not mind taking the bus to Cartagena.

I am in Cartagena later this week if anyone want to meet up for drinks and show a newbie around. Send me a PM please.

[QUOTE=AroundTheGlobe;2606523]

Day 3:

Huge shout out to the fellow who told informed about the strip club:

Marina Del Paraiso. (Will find thread and thank you personally later via msg. Owe ya a beer or something- will venmo. You're a true champion).

Holy shit!

Well first off- it's not 10 - it's 20-25 minutes from Watch Tower and it's not for the faint of heart. Have to taxi / Uber through the outskirts of town and you will be the only gringo in Colombian country. That being said. It was safe enough.

Ok this club. Girls 300,000 flat. That's the fee. No more no less 1 HR.
![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2605528]Marina Paradiso, about 10 minutes from clock tower, but worth it if your looking for a good strip club with everything you need on site. Rooms, 20-30 girls, party supplies, reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]Can either one of you verify that the place in these photos below (I clipped from Google Sreet Maps) is the same place that you are discussing? I had a Cartagena local send me a PM about this place back when the cops were shutting down Plaza De LOS Coches super early. I had asked him to reccomend alternatives. I like the fact that the sign says 24 hrs.

Today I have read this news about a tourist that was robbed at the Clock tower. (There is a video).

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL]

[QUOTE=CrazyDreamer;2607056]Today I have read this news about a tourist that was robbed at the Clock tower. (There is a video).

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL][/QUOTE]Damn! Heads up the first 47 seconds aree nothing and the video quality sucks but you can definitely tell when she starts trying to hand the money off. You have to wonder if the three guys that walk up are not onto / in on what's happening. Watch how quickly everyone around goes straight for that money when it hits the ground.

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL]

[QUOTE=CrazyDreamer;2607056]Today I have read this news about a tourist that was robbed at the Clock tower. (There is a video).

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for that informative post. Dude seems to be drunk. His reflexes and reactions were really lethargic. They got him with the old dick grab pick pocket. Exactly why you do not let anyone up on you. He was doing the right thing by keeping his right hand in his pocket. I could not tell about his left hand. Looks like she got his money out of his left back pocket with her right hand while grabbing his dick with her left hand. I would have choked the shit out of that broad. But of course drunk did not look like he really knew what was going on.

[QUOTE=CrazyDreamer;2607056]Today I have read this news about a tourist that was robbed at the Clock tower. (There is a video).

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL][/QUOTE]That looks like it happened directly in front of Hotel Torre Del Reloj where the vendors usually are and it looks like it was getting close to curfew as the stands were empty of merchandise and the chairs were placed upside-down.

When I saw the title "robbed at clocktower" I'm expecting someone getting beat up and robbed, a gun pulled and robbed, or at least a knife or some kind of scuffle and being robbed but he got caught slipping and the guys were opportunistic to pick up the cash and walk away, zero violence required, no dark alley, no deserted area, etc.

This could of happened anywhere because of his lack of street smarts. Strippers use that same tactic up here in the states in clubs where dancers will go into your pocket and hand the money of to another girl.

Drunk or not, no one is ever going to touch my pockets, my body language speaks "if you touch my pockets, expect to be laid out and stomped out like I'm putting out a small fire". All that touchy touchy feel stuff at that location is not necessary.

I fell out my chair laughing at the end when he was left there by himself double checking his his pockets jajaja.

Headed to Cartagena this Thursday, 23rd of September for three nights. If anyone else is going to be around PM me.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2607055]Can either one of you verify that the place in these photos below (I clipped from Google Sreet Maps) is the same place that you are discussing?[/QUOTE]El Paraiso del Marino has been a well known club for many years. You can find it listed also on the Cartagena List. For those who do not like hunting free, it's ideal. However, it's not the only club.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2607061]Damn! Heads up the first 47 seconds aree nothing and the video quality sucks but you can definitely tell when she starts trying to hand the money off. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nypher;2607096]
Drunk or not, no one is ever going to touch my pockets, my body language speaks "if you touch my pockets, expect to be laid out and stomped out like I'm putting out a small fire". All that touchy touchy feel stuff at that location is not necessary.[/QUOTE]I love to self-cite myself! After reading this, I cannot refrain to repeat again something I posted in the far 2012 in the Bogota thread:

[B]Beware of cosquilleros![/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1250156&viewfull=1#post1250156[/URL]

As I concluded there:
[I]Beware of cosquilleros!
(and, it does not matter if a TV is touching your cock or putting a finger in your ass, never extract your hands from your pockets) [/I]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2607191]El Paraiso del Marino has been a well known club for many years. You can find it listed also on the Cartagena List. For those who do not like hunting free, it's ideal. However, it's not the only club.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I see it now. I had looked to see if it was on there, but not very thoroughly. I was scanning and saw the word Casa first instead of strip club, so I skipped over it but then later in the description it says 'strip club' .

Casa Paraiso Marino, Calle 10 (Diagonal 28) #56 B 51. This strip club is about 25 minutes by car. 5-10 Chicas. Prices: 60 k Room Fee, 200 k 30 min. , _k 60 min. , exit fee 130 k, Chica 200 k. Tel: 57 5 657-1922. Hours: 24. [URL]www.paraisodelmarino.com[/URL].

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/EL-PARAISO-DEL-MARINO-CLUB-74080148490/[/URL]

Where is the best place in Cartagena to exchange USD for COP?

Thanks in advance, landing in 4 hours.

Bill.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2607241]Where is the best place in Cartagena to exchange USD for COP?

Thanks in advance, landing in 4 hours.

Bill.[/QUOTE]Anywhere but the airport, sorry to say. Was in CTG 3 weeks ago, best going rate I got was 3,600 p to 1U$d.

[QUOTE=Dublin12;2602764] For example, there are cultures such as Indian where a woman going with someone who is not approved of by the family, might fall victim to honour killings. [/QUOTE]That's not in India, but is in Pakistan.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2607241]Where is the best place in Cartagena to exchange USD for COP?

Thanks in advance, landing in 4 hours.

Bill.[/QUOTE]You have many cambio close to the torre del reloj, many with good rates.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2607193]I love to self-cite myself! After reading this, I cannot refrain to repeat again something I posted in the far 2012 in the Bogota thread:

[B]Beware of cosquilleros![/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1250156&viewfull=1#post1250156[/URL]

As I concluded there:
[I]Beware of cosquilleros!
(and, it does not matter if a TV is touching your cock or putting a finger in your ass, never extract your hands from your pockets) [/I][/QUOTE]I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your method. It is important to keep their hands out of your pockets. However, I keep my hands out of my pockets. The only things in my pockets are my phone, in the front left pocket, my money, in my front right pocket, my apartment key in my back right pocket and sometimes my small money (5, 10, 20 k bills) in the back left.

There is no wallet, no cards, unless I'm going to the ATM, and only my US Passport Card for identification. I usually also carry a small backpack. It contains a bottle of water, a couple of condoms, a package of 2 Viagra and some wet wipes. These days it also contains extra face masks and a small bottle of hand sanitizer.

The reason I keep my hands out of my pockets is to keep anyone else from getting their hands on me. Most of the girls I've seen on the streets just sit and wait. They don't try to reach for you, or try to touch you. A few girls, and many trannies will reach out and try to touch you. When someone tries to touch me, I use my hands to keep their hands off of me. If necessary I will grab their risks and tell them "no." Then I keep moving away from them. If I pass by them again, usually just a look will keep them from approaching me.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2607241]Where is the best place in Cartagena to exchange USD for COP?

Thanks in advance, landing in 4 hours.

Bill.[/QUOTE]Exchange rate changes all the time. The Cambio will always try to make a profit so you will not get what the market rate is. Your best bet is to exchange the money with your local bank before flying if they only charge you a flat fee for any amount exchanged. Your other option is using a Scotia Bank ATM to withdraw pesos but be warned your local bank will charge you about 3 different fees per transaction and if you use a credit card cash advance it will be an additional fee on top of those 3 fees.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2607241]Where is the best place in Cartagena to exchange USD for COP?
Thanks in advance, landing in 4 hours.
Bill.[/QUOTE]There are many. They are called "ATM" ("cajero") :-D

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2607405]There are many. They are called "ATM" ("cajero") :-D[/QUOTE]Is there one I can find easily leaving the airport and before getting in a taxi? Like the one at Medellin airport that is easy to find?

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2607417]Is there one I can find easily leaving the airport and before getting in a taxi? Like the one at Medellin airport that is easy to find?[/QUOTE]There are ATMs almost literally beside the taxi queue look at the photo I attached.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2607369]I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your method. It is important to keep their hands out of your pockets. However, I keep my hands out of my pockets. The only things in my pockets are my phone, in the front left pocket, my money, in my front right pocket, my apartment key in my back right pocket and sometimes my small money (5, 10, 20 k bills) in the back left.
(...)
The reason I keep my hands out of my pockets is to keep anyone else from getting their hands on me. [/QUOTE]If you were in the situation I have described, you would have lost all your "my phone, in the front left pocket, my money, in my front right pocket, my apartment key in my back right pocket and sometimes my small money (5, 10,20 k bills) in the back left. " That's not nothing!

I prefer a TV grabs my dick, than he puts his hands in my pockets and steals what is there. (I am not saying that I like that a TV grabs my dick LOL).

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2607369]I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your method. It is important to keep their hands out of your pockets. However, I keep my hands out of my pockets. The only things in my pockets are my phone, in the front left pocket, my money, in my front right pocket, my apartment key in my back right pocket and sometimes my small money (5, 10, 20 k bills) in the back left.[/QUOTE]Why do you keep stuff all over the place? That is more places to guard and keep track of. Especially the back pockets? My uncle who was an ex-con told me about slicing the bottom of people's back pockets with a razor so all he had to do was follow them and wait for whatever was in them to drop out as they walked.

Your 2 hands out of your pockets are not going to stop the 4 hands of the 2 chicks trying to rob you, especially when you have stuff in 4 places. You can protect yourself by swinging side to side with your hands in your pockets. When mfs are touching you everywhere you are not going to feel the pressure when they are picking something out of your pockets. If your hands are in your pockets then their hands can't get in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2607612]Why do you keep stuff all over the place? That is more places to guard and keep track of. Especially the back pockets?
(....)
Your 2 hands out of your pockets are not going to stop the 4 hands of the 2 chicks trying to rob you, especially when you have stuff in 4 places.
(...)
If your hands are in your pockets then their hands can't get in.[/QUOTE]DITTO! So well said.

I add that, since I have only 2 hands (I have my limits), I was* used to keep wallet and stuff on the two front pockets, and my dirty handkerchief with phlegm here and there in one of the back pockets.
*(I use the past tense, because I still do not know when I will roam again a seedy place overseas. Darth Vader will be back!)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2607612]Why do you keep stuff all over the place? That is more places to guard and keep track of. Especially the back pockets? My uncle who was an ex-con told me about slicing the bottom of people's back pockets with a razor so all he had to do was follow them and wait for whatever was in them to drop out as they walked.

Your 2 hands out of your pockets are not going to stop the 4 hands of the 2 chicks trying to rob you, especially when you have stuff in 4 places. You can protect yourself by swinging side to side with your hands in your pockets. When mfs are touching you everywhere you are not going to feel the pressure when they are picking something out of your pockets. If your hands are in your pockets then their hands can't get in.[/QUOTE]Why? Because my apartment key isn't going to be worth much to anyone and most rentals only charge a small fee to replace it. Because 30 k in small bills is about $8 and $8 isn't going to ruin my day. That covers my back pockets. The stuff in my front pockets is there because (here's where the complex part comes in) I can easily keep track of anyone reaching for the front pockets and I have 2 hands for 2 pockets. It helps that I don't wear baggy pants and that I swing my arms when I walk, brushing each pocket with a hand every other step.

Earlier you said you would have choked the girl who pulled money out of your pocket. How do you do that if both hands are in your pockets? Do you have a prehensile tail we don't know about?

I don't put myself in situations where 2 girls are trying to get into my pockets at the same time. I also don't wander around drunk. When someone reaches for me, I move away. If 2 people are reaching for me I keep my distance. What I try to avoid is putting myself into a situation where I'm basically defenseless.

With both hands in your pockets your balance is affected. You can't do anything effectively to defend yourself. You can't even run away. All it takes is for someone to shove you from behind and your face is bouncing off the sidewalk, at which point you get a busted face and concussion, and lose whatever was in your pockets.

That's most likely what would have happened to me 4 years ago when 3 guys tried to rob me in El Centro. One stopped suddenly, squatted down in front of me and grabbed my leg, while the other 2 moved in from either side. If my hands had been in my pockets I probably would have ended up flat on my back. Even if I hadn't fallen, the other two guys could have easily grabbed my arms and taken whatever they wanted. Instead, I kicked the guy off my leg and jumped back, while yelling at him to get off me. This left all three out of position, with everyone looking at them, and it put me out of reach with my hands free. They got nothing, I got away without a scratch. Maybe it would have been a better outcome to crack my skull on the sidewalk and get robbed. I'm probably just looking at it the wrong way.

Unless you have a gun in your pocket, it's better to keep your hands out and avoid people getting into your space. But I guess some guys prefer to have unknown people grabbing them. Whatever works for you.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2607625]DITTO! So well said.

I add that, since I have only 2 hands (I have my limits), I was* used to keep wallet and stuff on the two front pockets, and my dirty handkerchief with phlegm here and there in one of the back pockets.
*(I use the past tense, because I still do not know when I will roam again a seedy place overseas. Darth Vader will be back!)[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but you have been using a losing strategy.

First, why would you carry a wallet? Do you think having a picture of your cousin's dog will come in handy at some point? Perhaps wallet means something different to you. For me my wallet contains my identification, plus credit cards, ATM cards, personal information and other things which I frequently need at home, but seldom need when traveling. A wallet also makes a noticeable bulge in your pocket. You might as well carry a neon sign pointing to your money. Not only does it make an obvious target which contains everything of value, but it contains things which are only valuable to you which might be difficult to replace.

When I'm traveling my wallet is always locked away, safe from thieves.

So now that you have all your valuables nicely consolidated and visible to anyone within 30 feet, you put your hands in your pockets? If 1 girl tries to get in your pocket you might be okay, as long as she doesn't have something like a razor blade in her hand. If there are 2 or more people, particularly if any of them are men, you are fucked. All they have to do is grab you and you're completely under their control. They can push you to the ground, they can pull your hands from your pockets, they can do anything they want except read your palm and tell your fortune.

Why would you let anyone put their hands on you in that situation? With my hands out, I'm able to keep them away from me. I keep them from controlling the situation. I keep my options open. Your method your only option is to hope there's not more than one person, to hope the person doesn't have a weapon and to hope the person isn't stronger than you.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2607625]DITTO! So well said.

I add that, since I have only 2 hands (I have my limits), I was* used to keep wallet and stuff on the two front pockets, and my dirty handkerchief with phlegm here and there in one of the back pockets.
*(I use the past tense, because I still do not know when I will roam again a seedy place overseas. Darth Vader will be back!)[/QUOTE]I think we can all agree that the guy in the video that got robbed gave us a new example of someone not following the rule of "no dar papaya" by being that intoxicated and no wingman in that situation.

I would strongly recommend that people keep everything in their front pockets also. The pick pocket threat is real and they are good. My cousin got his wallet lifted in Paris on the Metro while I was with him, obviously neither of us noticed until he reached for it when we were well of the train, I understand JjBee62 saying he keeps the less valuable stuff in his back pockets

If I am in transit and not checked in to a place to stay yet I keep my phone and passport in one front pocket and wallet in the other. Then when I arrive at the apartment, the wallet and passport go in the safe. I have a phone case / wallet thing where I stick one debit card and my passport card, folded copy of my passport. Then all I have to carry in my front pocket is the phone case and my apartment key.

Mr E makes a good point about razors. I have also heard of them using the razor on your backpack. So that TSA lock does not slow then down. If I am traveling with a back pack and I get on metro / train / bus etc with standing room only I turn the backpack around and carry it on my chest. The metro / trains etc is a place where you are less likely to be able keep your hands in your pockets because you have to hang on with the starting and the stopping. So I take the stuff from my front pockets and put it in the top flap of my backpack and then once I flip it around I have it all right under my nose.

Found s beautiful Medellin girl her and booked her while the Club Sosua "big time "spenders try to move in, . It's their turn now and I'm not going to bother to tell anyone that she had a quick little finger for the wallet which was almost as smooth as her oral skills....

My first trip to Cartagena. I'll post a full report when I get home but biggest culture shock: very few places have running hot water.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2608115]My first trip to Cartagena. I'll post a full report when I get home but biggest culture shock: very few places have running hot water.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you rented, but I've been 6-7 times and never once not have hot water? You stay In hostel? Very few? How many did you encounter? Thanks hope you had a great time Cartagena can be lots of fun.

[QUOTE=FLBill;2608115]My first trip to Cartagena. I'll post a full report when I get home but biggest culture shock: very few places have running hot water.[/QUOTE]I don't understand what is the fascination with tourists and hot water in Cartagena. Whenever I go there I never use it because the cold water is not freezing cold like in the states, its room temp, even in winter months the water is still warm enough.

If you think that's a culture shock wait till you encounter the girls who don't flush when they pee, only when they shit.

Or the sewer smell that comes up from the drain in the bathroom so every day so you have to pour some bleach or bathroom cleaner down the drain to eliminate the smell.

Ill be heading back soon.

Can't wait to read your report.

[QUOTE=CrazyDreamer;2607056]Today I have read this news about a tourist that was robbed at the Clock tower. (There is a video).

[URL]https://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/en-video-queda-grabado-robo-en-el-portal-de-los-dulces-HM5428999[/URL][/QUOTE]

posted in Rio Crime and Safety: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1507-Rio-de-Janeiro-Crime-amp-Safety&p=2599839&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2599839.

Pants like these: [URL]https://www.clothingarts.com/collections/adventure_travel_pickpocket_proof_pants[/URL]. Or similar type pants found at camping / hiking stores with built-in pocket zippers or buttons to thwart pick-pockets.
Similar type Shirts [url]https://youtu.be/14yerEzJ0PI[/url] put money and CC/ATM card or ID in Shirt.


[QUOTE=Nypher;2607096]Drunk or not, no one is ever going to touch my pockets, my body language speaks [b]"if you touch my pockets, expect to be laid out and stomped out like I'm putting out a small fire"[/b]. All that touchy touchy feel stuff at that location is not necessary.[/QUOTE]

Heck Yea!!