East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;2023776]Dosage depends on body mass as well as how much reinforcement the little guy needs. For some, the standard 100 MG Blue pill might be required, but for others, it might be overkill. If you just need a little help, cut the pill in half or even in quarte5rs. You may save some money and your headache may be less as well. With the yellow pill, same story. Just take what you need.[/QUOTE]I think he is referring to Cialis although he said blue pill. The 5 MG is for daily dose for cialis if you follow that regimen. What lost in shanghai wrote still applies. Body mass and little guys ability to stand without medication. I tried the 5 MG and had some good results with it. I actually popped 3 times the first night with it. Something not possible anymore on my own. IT pretty much returned me to my mid l 40's. I tried 10 MG and it brought me back to my early 20's good enough to hang my coat. Haha. Maybe a slight exaggeration.

I was deathly afraid of the 4 hour erection as I could not imagine going to a hospital in China to have it addressed. If you don't have it addressed, you can damage the penis permanently. This is why i started with the 5MG.

What I found was that 10 MG was not a problem. I bought pills of cialis and cut them in half. One pill was good for 2 days without issue. Other than some heartburn (wish I brought Tums) I had no side effects. I have read about more side effects with the blue pill so I used yellow. It also turns to be more cost effective due to its longer latency in the body.

You don't even know it's working until the event comes. It will not get erect without stimulation just because you took the pill.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2023916]That's a different one I didn't know about!

The one in SNG is on Chang shou lu or something like that. I wish I knew there was a closer one.[/QUOTE]Awesome post by Sam and Leviton. Thanks to both of you I will be visiting this pharmacy since I will be at the Hilton. I think I'm going to get both the 5 MG and 20 MG versions on this trip just to be prepared. I can't wait. Hehe.

What is the cost at the pharmacy! Do they offer a generic as well as the genuine?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2024121]What is the cost at the pharmacy! Do they offer a generic as well as the genuine?[/QUOTE]I pay about 100 RMB per pill for Vitamin V. It says it is genuine, but this is China, so you never know.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;2024160]I pay about 100 RMB per pill for Vitamin V. It says it is genuine, but this is China, so you never know.[/QUOTE]Right from the SNG website and exactly what I paid when I bought 4 then went back to buy 8 (of the 20 MG). site says from the pharmacy is the real deal. I didn't see any generics but I didn't hang around and browse either. I saw 5MG and 20MG Cialis and Viagra at whatever dose it shows

Cialis (20 MG).

28 pills 5 MG RMB 900.

8 pills 20 MG RMB 900.

4 pills 20 MG RMB 495.

1 pill 20 MG RMB 138.

I didn't see the 5 MG the first time but did when I went back. Since cialis recommended dose is 10 MG which means breaking a pill in half. Since it lasts for 2 1/2 days it's probably more cost effective if it works for you.


As I said, leviton, bring your tums or pepcid. I wish I had but it was bearable considering the results.

I didn't buy the 5mg, i just broke the pill into quarters. a little challenging to get close to same size but didn't seem to matter much

[QUOTE=SamCan;2024362]Right from the SNG website and exactly what I paid when I bought 4 then went back to buy 8 (of the 20 MG). site says from the pharmacy is the real deal. I didn't see any generics but I didnt hang around and browse either. I saw 5MG and 20MG Cialis and Viagara at whatever dose it shows

Cialis (20 MG).

28 pills 5 MG RMB 900.

8 pills 20 MG RMB 900.

4 pills 20 MG RMB 495.

1 pill 20 MG RMB 138.

I didn't see the 5 MG the first time but did when I went back. Since cialis recommended dose is 10 MG which means breaking a pill in half. Since it lasts for 2 1/2 days its probably more cost effective if it works for you.


As I said, leviton, bring your tums or pepcid. I wish I had but it was bearable considering the results.

I didnt buy the 5mg, i just broke the pill into quarters. a little challenging to get close to same size but didnt seem to matter much[/QUOTE]Yep, these are the going rates for the yellow pills.

The 5 MG pills are generics, the others should be original.

Lev.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2023608]A few nights ago when walking between these places a group of women approached me and started to molest me. I found it very suspicious and held tight to my wallet in my front pocket. Anyway, I forgot that I had a few dollars in my back pocket and needless to say they were gone when I checked. Later on when I'm leaving they approached a group of guys and I heard one say "they took my money" Not a big loss for me as I keep the cash in the safe at the hotel and only carry beer and taxi money.

Hope this helps someone.

BP.[/QUOTE]For the few quid you lost, did they at least leave you standing there with a woody? I should hope so!

Huck.

[QUOTE=Huckleberryfinn;2025755]For the few quid you lost, did they at least leave you standing there with a woody? I should hope so!

Huck.[/QUOTE]Sounds like I'll be loading up on Monopoly money in my back pockets on my next trip over. Love to see their expressions after they pull that stunt. Hehe.

I visited my "old friend", #18 at 851 North Shaanxi road. Service was as usual. I went at 1:00 pm, so traffic was low. Had not seen her for two years. Wow. She has not lost her game at all. The shower suffers from Shanghai's humidity. That's all. Sweet girl. Takeout a pain, she says. Don't bother to ask. She will shower with you.

[QUOTE=BobTheRhino;2023626] Personally think Sarcoza around the corner is better value, but YMMV.[/QUOTE]Went by Sacrosa for an afternoon pop today. Lift no longer stops at 5th floor. Went to 6th and walked down. All closed up and construction debris in lift lobby. No insights into re-opening after a remodel or closed for good.

SH.

After my stop at Sacrosa to find it closed, I went by my usual massage shop in LJZ. They herded me to the back, out the back door and through a secret door that led to a room that had been blocked off from the main hallway. Service as good as always with all but FS (won't do on premises, but will take away).

Seems the LE is on the watch. Be careful out these.

SH.

[QUOTE=ShangHangin;2027621]After my stop at Sacrosa to find it closed, I went by my usual massage shop in LJZ. They herded me to the back, out the back door and through a secret door that led to a room that had been blocked off from the main hallway. Service as good as always with all but FS (won't do on premises, but will take away).

Seems the LE is on the watch. Be careful out these.

SH.[/QUOTE]Same goes for Changning district under various raids for the past month from civil cloth police.

Many places refuse to service unkown chinese customers.

It seems to be global in Shanghai and at least until may holidays.

Stopped by the Wanpimg Rd location, the mamasan knew what I was coming for and showed me the price and details on her phone. 398 RMB for the hour nude massage and he. It may be possible to get more but I did not try.

Apparently there are two Spring Massage locations in the same road, I don't read Chinese so I cannot tell. The one I visited is at 360, I heard that the other closer to Lingling Rd. Is just therapeutic.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2027716]Same goes for Changning district under various raids for the past month from civil cloth police.

Many places refuse to service unkown chinese customers.

It seems to be global in Shanghai and at least until may holidays.[/QUOTE]I have a 12 hour layover in Shanghai in mid-May, and am interested in visited a sauna for the very first time. However, the talk of possible raids have made me think twice. Can anyone shed some light on what sort of consequences one will face if caught in a raid?

Thanks.

I can confirm the Sacrosa is closed. When I attempted to visit there were a number of guys taking furniture out to the lobby. One of them motioned with his hand meaning no and to go, so I left.

BP.

An old friend of mine told me that there is a new sauna just opened near the Pudong airport. It is only about a few minutes from the pudong airport. Will try next time when I am in Pudong.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2027795]I have a 12 hour layover in Shanghai in mid-May, and am interested in visited a sauna for the very first time. However, the talk of possible raids have made me think twice. Can anyone shed some light on what sort of consequences one will face if caught in a raid?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Loss of a Chinese Visa for some term (5 years). 2 weeks in jail and if your work sponsors your visa and you can't go back to China, good luck on explaining that one.

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2027948]Loss of a Chinese Visa for some term (5 years). 2 weeks in jail and if your work sponsors your visia and you can't go back to chinia, good luck on explaining that one.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Other than the inconvenience of spending 2 weeks in jail, the other consequences don't pertain to me much since I don't travel to China, and I'm my own boss.

So I won't be there until mid-May. What are the May holidays referred to by Sinofaguo in his post, and will the heat have died down by then?

Is it safe to invite an escort girl to the hotel room? Because the raids and I don't want troubles with police.

[QUOTE=PerlMutter;2028349]Is it safe to invite an escort girl to the hotel room? Because the raids and I don't want troubles with police.[/QUOTE]This is one of the safest ways to go. There is no law against one night stands. If you and the girl don't admit to money changing hands if there was a raid, you will be fine.

Also hotel raids are done the least. Never heard of one in shanghai. The only risk is when you sign a girl in. IF a girl is signed into two rooms in the same night in the same hotel, the hotel is required by law to tell the police. I always ask the girl if they have been to the hotel today. Most girls at Judy's / manhattans will tell you. Also if you get an escort in before 9 pm you will not be asked to sign her in.

I usually have SNG send me a girl in the afternoon anyway.

SAM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2028373]This is one of the safest ways to go. There is no law against one night stands. If you and the girl don't admit to money changing hands if there was a raid, you will be fine.

Also hotel raids are done the least. Never heard of one in shanghai. The only risk is when you sign a girl in. IF a girl is signed into two rooms in the same night in the same hotel, the hotel is required by law to tell the police. I always ask the girl if they have been to the hotel today. Most girls at Judy's / manhattans will tell you. Also if you get an escort in before 9 pm you will not be asked to sign her in.

I usually have SNG send me a girl in the afternoon anyway.

SAM.[/QUOTE]There have been reports of hotel raids in Shanghai in 2011 and prolly unreported here raids at other times. Especially cheap 3 stars or lower hotels.

There have been several reports in Shanghai over the years of people being followed from a bar to their hotel with a call girl and the police entering the room.

Haven't seen recent reports in SH about that but there was one last year about a russian girl and her client in Beijing and I guess many more undocumented events.

Remember that sex outside married couples is not meant to be in China eventhough its no longer enforced aside when a baby comes from it (heavy penalty if the couple is not married and one is chinese).

[QUOTE=Yiruma;2027965]Hmm. Other than the inconvenience of spending 2 weeks in jail, the other consequences don't pertain to me much since I don't travel to China, and I'm my own boss.

So I won't be there until mid-May. What are the May holidays referred to by Sinofaguo in his post, and will the heat have died down by then?[/QUOTE]Your probability to be caught in a raid is tiny either way.

20 days for customers is rare, usually its more like a few hours to 2 days but yes deportation is a possibility along with banning for 5 years as explained + call to familly / work (but in your case irrelevent).

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2028571]There have been reports of hotel raids in Shanghai in 2011 and prolly unreported here raids at other times. Especially cheap 3 stars or lower hotels.

There have been several reports in Shanghai over the years of people being followed from a bar to their hotel with a call girl and the police entering the room.

).[/QUOTE]This may be true. But still I believe safer than saunas. I've been takkng girls regularly to 5 star hotels since 2009. Sometimes signied in, sometimes not. Never a problem. I had one girl who had signed in earlier with someone else. The hotel desk warned me that if I signed her in they would have to call the police. Obviously I passed.

I actually had a hotel made offer one of my afternoon chinese girls a bottle of water as she enterred my room. She knew she wasn't staying there with me but wanted to make her comfortable I guess. It was obvious what we were doing.

OK thanks for the info, I think I prefer a escort in hotel, this girl [URL]http://shanghai.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-girl-just-for-you-independent-and-open-minded/3588672[/URL].

Anyone experience with her?

If you get a membership for about 20 $ I can help you.

Up front BP ads. Hmm.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=PerlMutter;2028765]OK thanks for the info, I think I prefer a escort in hotel, this girl [URL]http://shanghai.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-girl-just-for-you-independent-and-open-minded/3588672[/URL].

Anyone experience with her?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PerlMutter;2028765]OK thanks for the info, I think I prefer a escort in hotel, this girl [URL]http://shanghai.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-girl-just-for-you-independent-and-open-minded/3588672[/URL].

Anyone experience with her?[/QUOTE]No experience with her, but her web page seems reasonable enough. Price is right, HOWEVER, she is asking for cash upfront. The usual rule here is, fun first, pay later. Suggest you enforce that, and if she won't agree, call Shanghai Nightlife Guide.

I'm considering whether to make a stop in Shanghai on an upcoming trip starting in Beijing and ending in Hong Kong / Macua with stops in Qufu / Heze for business. I was previously in Beijing in Sept 2016 and wasn't too impressed and am not expecting much during my 1 night there as well as nothing in my Qufu / Heze stops.

I RTFF going back to January of this year and read of Judy's, Manhattans, and "Tiger Cat" in Shanghai. Since I prefer freelancers, the first 2 appeal to me, but I don; t really know if Tiger Cat is a freelancer bar also? If so, would prices be similar to Judy's and Manhattans?

Thanks in advance.

I'm planning to go to Shanghai (confirm) and Beijing (confirm) for "sightseeing". Need to add another city that very good for getting freelancer. Any suggestions?

A little late with this review as have been traveling a lot.

Was fortunate to be in Shanghai multiple times over a few weeks and have been in regular contact with an old contact from last year.

Lovely Viet girl who loves playing pool. If you're in Judy's you'll see her no table no doubt. I'm always on lookout for new pussy but when the service is this good I don't mind repeating.

First night with here in Judy's PLayed lots of pool, drank loads and then back for overnight to hotel. Fucked and sucked and licked until early hours of morning then fell asleep in each other's arms.

Woke late morning with her mouth arousing me. On with the hood then she rode my hangover out of my head. Shower, paid her and she left around midday.

Whilst I was in Judy's I noticed a tiny philli that caught my eye. I We Chatted my regular and told her I would be in Judy's the next weekend but I may not take her. She wasn't too happy but it was OK.

Following Friday, arrived at Judy's 10 pm. , got drink and checked out the talent. Saw the tiny Philli and got chatting. No chemistry with her so decided to stick with my regular. Walked to pool area, gave her a squeeze on the ass and whispered in her ear. I want you tonight. In the ass. Her face lit up and she hugged me like I has asked her to marry me.

Drank some more, smoked some more, played pool. Back to hotel. Opened up whisky drank more and then we fucked in all sorts of positions. Favorite was me fucking her ass from behind as she was pressed against the hotel window looking out. Lights were off and could see some people below but no way could they see us. Back to the bed, legs wide open and her ass took my cock so beautifully. Amazing. Took me ages to cum but It was heaven.

Drank some more, talked slept and woke her up next morning with me licking her pussy. No ass in the morning, too sore she said.

Paid her and off she went. I'm back in Europe now and still chat to her most days on wechat. Great gal and great body.

Will see her again.

Paid RMB 1500 for each session with her. Felt it was good value.

If you see her, treat her well. She's a gem and perfect for me.

Next day, met a non working girl that had caught from Tagged app.

Mother and totally beautiful. She's in love with me now and we spent some good time together including trip to cinema. Managed to fuck her on my last day there. And it was more sensual (no ass. Yet) and romantic.

All in all a great trip to Shanghai. Can't wait to get back there again.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2023916]That's a different one I didn't know about!

The one in SNG is on Chang shou lu or something like that. I wish I knew there was a closer one.[/QUOTE]Just got back from my weekend trip and I found the alternate Pharmacy that sold the pills. The instructions were spot on (South of the intersection on on the west side of the street). Look for the green sign with the universal first aid symbol " I got the Cialis 20 MG helpers for 900 rmb's. Just be careful that you go south of the intersection because there is another pharmacy north of the intersection and I don't know if they will see the pills without a scrip.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2023597]She will probably come back but I believe she was leaving the end of April. PM me if you need digits and want to follow up with her.[/QUOTE]Hey Sam,

I got to the club and guess who ran across the bar to hug me. Buom. She was so happy to see me again. She told me she just got back after a few weeks back home. Another memorable evening was spent with her.

Stayed a few days in shanghai before flying to my next destination. However will be back in shanghai next Friday and saturday. Anyone up for joint hunt may inbox me.

Being a party animal each night was a fun night. Been to many famous normal clubs too as I love partying in crowded clubs full of hot girls.

Monkey champane is a very small club but so jam packed on Friday night. Had fun. Others I visited were Elevator / Diva / Dada / Bar Rouge on the flower theme night / smash / myst on Sunday for a very famous dj night / m2/ LE baron (was good on a dj night)/ etc. Will explore the rest in coming weekend. Overall the foreign crowd was missing by a good margin everywhere.

Now coming on to Manhattan and Zudy. Zudy is not in that class now after change of location. It's now right at the end of same street where manhattan is.

Sad part of the story is that though I noticed many young beautiful and good girls this time all three days but all the top end girls look interested only in chinese guys mostly middle aged business people of mainland China. I saw many English speaking guys getting frustrated and angry on this as top end gals were just running after chinese guys. There may be many reasons behind it but its topic worth discussing as the price they were asking was shocking. And even then they were disappearing in minutes and average girls were left for other visitors. One other point to notice was that it's better going there on a midweek night rather than going on weekend when the overflow of customers increases the asking price.

Anyway picked an awesome sexy girl of around 20 and had amazing time with her. Asking price 1500 rmb shot brought to 1000 rmb. Average and not so young may be picked for 500 to 700 rmb short time. I still had my eyes on a few others whom I couldn't talk as they were pre captured everyday by chinese groups.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=PrinceMV2;2030354]Stayed a few days in shanghai before flying to my next destination. However will be back in shanghai next Friday and saturday. Anyone up for joint hunt may inbox me.

Being a party animal each night was a fun night. Been to many famous normal clubs too as I love partying in crowded clubs full of hot girls.

Monkey champane is a very small club but so jam packed on Friday night. Had fun. Others I visited were Elevator / Diva / Dada / Bar Rouge on the flower theme night / smash / myst on Sunday for a very famous dj night / m2/ LE baron (was good on a dj night)/ etc. Will explore the rest in coming weekend. Overall the foreign crowd was missing by a good margin everywhere.

Now coming on to Manhattan and Zudy. Zudy is not in that class now after change of location. It's now right at the end of same street where manhattan is..[/QUOTE]Hey Prince,

I was also at Judy's this past weekend but I didn't notice foreign "non Asian" guys not getting action from the girls. I have noticed that the better dressed you are (and yes I do see white guys come in with plain tee) the more the women will notice you. I got plenty of females coming over to me and although I'm Chinese I can't speak a lick of local language the language but money talks.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2030336]Hey Sam,

I got to the club and guess who ran across the bar to hug me. Buom. She was so happy to see me again. She told me she just got back after a few weeks back home. Another memorable evening was spent with her.[/QUOTE]She was definitely all I said wasn't she? I liked her. She was one of the best I have had. Not necessarily on the beauty side (and she is pretty) but just the whole fun package. I could have spent a week with her and I am jealous that you got a second night!

I wrote that about Manhattan bro. Dint find that quality in zudy but may be will try again this Friday. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2030454]Hey Prince,

I was also at Judy's this past weekend but I didn't notice foreign "non Asian" guys not getting action from the girls. I have noticed that the better dressed you are (and yes I do see white guys come in with plain tee) the more the women will notice you. I got plenty of females coming over to me and although I'm Chinese I can't speak a lick of local language the language but money talks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2026373]I visited my "old friend", #18 at 851 North Shaanxi road. Service was as usual. I went at 1:00 pm, so traffic was low. Had not seen her for two years. Wow. She has not lost her game at all. The shower suffers from Shanghai's humidity. That's all. Sweet girl. Takeout a pain, she says. Don't bother to ask. She will shower with you.[/QUOTE]Finally joined the #18 club.

And I can confirm the previous reports. Location and evironment are old and shabby. Her looks could be described at average. But her attitude and service are outstanding. Definetly worth to return.

Do other girls at this shop offer BJ as well or is it just #18?

And are these other shops in Shanghai where you can get the CIM for less than 300 RMB?

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2031470]Finally joined the #18 club.

And I can confirm the previous reports. Location and evironment are old and shabby. Her looks could be described at average. But her attitude and service are outstanding. Definetly worth to return.

Do other girls at this shop offer BJ as well or is it just #18?

And are these other shops in Shanghai where you can get the CIM for less than 300 RMB?[/QUOTE]18 is one of the best BJ"s in Shanhgai. Some girls there may do it but it's hit or miss. It has more to do with her and less with the place. I have had girls there not allow roaming at the same time some have allowed FS, (this was a couple years ago, I stopped going there and pretty much go for the whole package at Manhattans/Judy's).

I don't know of girls for CIM less than 300 but I am sure you can find them. It's China after all.

SAM.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;2029210]No experience with her, but her web page seems reasonable enough. Price is right, HOWEVER, she is asking for cash upfront. The usual rule here is, fun first, pay later. Suggest you enforce that, and if she won't agree, call Shanghai Nightlife Guide.[/QUOTE]Strange, here in my country we pay always first and than fun, I think that is the normal business.

When you pay later she takes all the risk, that bad customers not pay.

Had a 5 hours layover in Hongqiao airport. Contact one of the manager found in 52 longfeng. He direct me to one of the nearest sauna, about 10 minutes Taxi ride. Is it located east of the Hongqiao airport, nest to a hotel. He asked me to go to that hotel. Once I arrived at that hotel, he comeover to meet me and let me to the back of the hotel. There is a door with name on it. You can not find if you do not know. It is relative rundown place. But they do have 18 girls to choosen from I select T36, a Hubei girl. Let me to the room by hand. The room is not bad at all. There is a big bad in the center, a separate bathroom with a waterbed for nuru massage. Shower first, then onto the waterbed for nuru massage. Drid, then onto the bed. She ddid a lot fo BBBJ and rimming, put on cover. She ride me first, then I on top finished. It was a nice session. Clean up and then back to airport just on time to catch my next flight to BJ.

JB.

I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031883]I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]Could you give a little bit of detail about your experience and see if we can help?

Jb.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031883]I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]Lots of scams in China. I have been there enough over the years to have "friends" that take care of me when I visit China now. But before I got to this point I got scammed a few times myself. Met a European guy in a bar in Beijing one night that talked me into going to this other bar with lots of beautiful women. Turned out to be a KTV and I got stuck with a $1500 US bar tab. But the girls were very nice and I met a Chinese girl who is still a good friend of mine and takes care of me when I am in Beijing. So the evening was not a total loss. As far as China being expensive you are right about that. There are a lot of rich Chinese and westerners in Shanghai and Beijing that keep the prices high.

I am pretty much to looking for a honest place to go and have a good time and a few drinks. I am starting to think it's just not worth visiting places where the government does not want this kind of activity.

I am sure there are some great places here I just can't find them or verify that they are legit. That's why I asked about the two Sauna clubs below. Can anyone verify if they are legit.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031883]I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]Not easy to get around Shanghai without Chinese or local knowledge. Shanghai Nightlife Guide used to be a decent resource but it's no longer kept up to date. I've tried and enjoyed both saunas you mention but not in the past 6 months.

You're right that Shanghai is not the cheapest mongering destination on Earth. However, I regularly bag attractive girls for $100 and model-calibre girls for $200 US. All young and no previous birth. That's not bad.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2031892]Lots of scams in China. I have been there enough over the years to have "friends" that take care of me when I visit China now. But before I got to this point I got scammed a few times myself. Met a European guy in a bar in Beijing one night that talked me into going to this other bar with lots of beautiful women. Turned out to be a KTV and I got stuck with a $1500 US bar tab. But the girls were very nice and I met a Chinese girl who is still a good friend of mine and takes care of me when I am in Beijing. So the evening was not a total loss. As far as China being expensive you are right about that. There are a lot of rich Chinese and westerners in Shanghai and Beijing that keep the prices high.[/QUOTE]Hi Bro.

I am going to Beijing a few times per year. I do have a couple contacts and like to have something new. Do you mind to share your contact or can we exchange the contact by PM?

Thanks.

Jb.

How were you ripped off at these saunas? I lost count of the number of saunas I've been to over the years, never have I been ripped off once. Prices are made absolutely clear and you pay after the service. Or were you ripped off by one of the touts along Nanjin Road? Read through this board and you'll come across pages of posts that scream to avoid these touts at all cost.

Shanghai caters to all budget and taste, from the RMB500+ lower end saunas (lower if you go for the barber shops) to RMB3000+ models. You just have to know where to look for them. Read up and PM some of the regulars if you need help.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031883]I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]

Both Dongguan and Red House are legit. They are in the upper end of spectrum so be prepared to pay a little more.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031915]I am pretty much to looking for a honest place to go and have a good time and a few drinks. I am starting to think it's just not worth visiting places where the government does not want this kind of activity.

I am sure there are some great places here I just can't find them or verify that they are legit. That's why I asked about the two Sauna clubs below. Can anyone verify if they are legit.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I am coming in to town this weekend and am looking at change of pace and checking out Rain's girls. I have used SNG a ton and had great times with Bao Bao, Hujing and Lisa and been shocked about how tiny Baby is (try her it is nuts). I am looking at Rain's girls. Anyone have any experience good or bad with Rain's girls, thanks for your help.

Hi everybody,

Thank you for the numerous contributions to this forum, which I really enjoyed.

I am European guy, 35 year old, I've been living in Shanghai for over one year now, and had some mixed experiences here.

Sacrosa (now closed): IMO one of the best places at a reasonable price. They were charging 600 RMB before 6 pm, and the best option was to go around 14 or 15 pm during weekdays. Selection was not huge, but the place was nice, and there were some very nice lady too. The first time I went there (about nine months ago) I probably had the best girl. Very smiley, nice body, shaved pussy (not easy to find among Chinese) and very nice attitude.

I came another two-three times but never had such a great experience again, however the girls were always very nice.

I just didn't like the hairy pussies.

Body hotel: this is a nice place with a great selection (many reports here in this forum), the price was 980 RMB the last time (and only time) I went there, a few months ago. Bigger selection, same price for all girls. Good treatment overall.

Besides visiting some massage parlor, which I usually don't enjoy too much as the girls always try to ask you crazy prices for stupid "upgrades" (E. G. Removing the bra, or let you touch their pussy). Usually not worth the investment, at least for my personal taste.

I had a wonderful experience with an African girl from Uganda, a semi-pro, who I met online through a dating site and later met 3-4 times in an hotel.

She was slim and tall, 23 years old, firm body and simply amazing attitude. For 1200 RMB I was staying 2-3 hours in her hotel and I enjoyed every minute. Blowjob was among the best I ever had and she enjoyed CIM, once we were in a long, exciting 69 when I came in her mouth, while I kept on licking her shaved pussy. That time she did not spit, but swallowed everything! She was hot amazing!

Unfortunately she is now gone, and I am looking for other African girls to enjoy, but I am struggling a bit to find contacts. I know it may sounds a bit weird to look for African ladies in China, but I am not a big fan of Asian women, especially when they are not shaved and are lacking a firm, round ass.

Any comments from you is very welcome.

Tiepolo.

One of the safest options I have tried over the years is Saunas. And they make it clear what they charge and its hasslefree.

Where were you ripped off?

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2031883]I'm a regular contributior. Got ripped off big time last night and now I hate it here. Quick question?

Are Dongguan Model Sauna and Red House Girls Club from sgn legit or is Shanghai just a scam city.

At this point I really don't like the city and find most of the reports to be useless love stories like in lady fantasy novels.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

Last thing. Why is China so much for expensive than Colombia or Eastern Europe. I do appreciate the help.[/QUOTE]

Connect with Rain on wechat. You can find her wechat ID on her website. On her wechat, she offers special matinee and overnight deals everyday, but usually the same girls are on offer. I've been with most of her girls. Their performance is identical. Suck my nipples, then BBBJ, then multiple positions. All of the girls are friendly and don't really rush that much. The girls don't look as good as they do on her site. But Yuki, Jenny, and Abby are quite the young spinners. One warning: Rain is a mega [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].

[QUOTE=Money11;2033583]Guys,

I am coming in to town this weekend and am looking at change of pace and checking out Rain's girls. I have used SNG a ton and had great times with Bao Bao, Hujing and Lisa and been shocked about how tiny Baby is (try her it is nuts). I am looking at Rain's girls. Anyone have any experience good or bad with Rain's girls, thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha.

You are damn right!

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2033728]Connect with Rain on wechat. You can find her wechat ID on her website. On her wechat, she offers special matinee and overnight deals everyday, but usually the same girls are on offer. I've been with most of her girls. Their performance is identical. Suck my nipples, then BBBJ, then multiple positions. All of the girls are friendly and don't really rush that much. The girls don't look as good as they do on her site. But Yuki, Jenny, and Abby are quite the young spinners..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2033598]Hi everybody,

Body hotel: this is a nice place with a great selection (many reports here in this forum), the price was 980 RMB the last time (and only time) I went there, a few months ago. Bigger selection, same price for all girls. Good treatment overall.
Tiepolo.[/QUOTE]I was told the sauna at Bodi hotel is closed, is that true? I have been there a few times and plan to go this July.

Thanks.

Jb.

The following districts are experiencing extreme high wind lasting through the remainder of this week and possibly into next:

All of Pudong, Minhang, Xuhui, Jingan, and Changning. If you absolutely have to go out and play, stay in Hongkou district.

This message is brought to you by your local weather channel.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2033852]I was told the sauna at Bodi hotel is closed, is that true? I have been there a few times and plan to go this July.

Thanks.

Jb.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

Newbie here and need your help please! I'm in changzhou from the 17th-19 May and normally I'd be staying in shanghai at a business type hotel. This time I'm staying at the aptly named Happiness hotel and wish to book the services of a non agency lady!

Any details would be extremely welcome as what I know is that normally wechat locations can find during proximity searches but I'd rather be recommended by you extremely knowledgeable gentlemen.

Please reply or pm with any helpful info including possibly contact numbers.

Many thanks again.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2033852]I was told the sauna at Bodi hotel is closed, is that true? I have been there a few times and plan to go this July.

Thanks.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Pease look back about a month, I posted a full report.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2034252]Pease look back about a month, I posted a full report.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed, I just saw your report. The new place looks good, but the price increased a lot.

Thanks you so much.

Jb.

Any of you guys know any providers with big boobs? I tried out Bao Bao on SNG and Jia Jia on Rain, and both were okay, but still searching.

$25 for a few months I think -- is it worth it?

ASUDevil.

OK, as an inexperienced punter went to Shanghai. First I would like to thank all the posters and SNG. Both proved to be very useful. In short Shanghai seems quite good.

First went with Cathy Shanghai. She is very easy to arrange over email, very professional. We exchanged a few emails in advanced, confirmed everything a little bit before. She arrives on time. Definitely tries to please. Has great hands-free BJ technique and can take all the way in the back. Definitely recommended if you want non-typical treatment.

Then tried a random massage place on Lancun Rd, not really sure of the name. But it is on the north side close to Double Tree by Hilton. There are a few places there and what looks to be like a bar, all in a row. I went to the last one where there was only a girl at the counter. Negotiated oil massage 60 minutes for 150. Went up and was greeted by what I think was a nice, a bit older girl, wasn't really paying attention as I was actually looking for a massage, but the way she was dressed suggested more was to be offered. Very nice massage started, a little bit action around butt and boys. After 30-40 minutes (hard to tell) and very nice back massage she starts suggesting a 90 minute version that includes more. I agree, price is 370. She calls downstairs to tell them it will be longer version and starts massaging. Amazing hands, I didn't try to negotiate any extra but just closed eyes and enjoyed. She is definitely an expert, relaxes and drains you perfectly for sweet dreams afterwards.

Went to check Manhattan and Judy later on a weekday. Came early to Manhattan and was stunned how nice the girls looked. Talked to a few, but decided to check Judy. While ordering a drink, very nice Vietnamese came and we started talking. She was very good in making you forget your initial plan. Just checking things up. We negotiate a bit, she is quite expensive. I believe first quote was 2500 without defining what. I tell her if you have a nice friend you like, lets all three go for 2500. She texts a friend and while we wait she is a bit nervous a friend is taking a bit longer to arrive, I'm drinking beer saying it is fine, no hurry. An even nicer girl arrives, more relaxed we joke a bit. Then I ask them how do we leave this place. They are nice, a tell me follow us, ignore people outside and lets get a taxi further away from Judy. We go to my hotel, go the room. They are very relaxed and funny. Both take clothes off. First one has silicon, but looking nice and small / medium sized. The second has larger natural breast with amazing pointy nipples. The action starts with BJ from one while I play with others tits. They are smart and try to make you cum fast, but I'm holding on. We rotate. Condom comes up, I have fuck the first one while playing with second. When it's time to switch, condom comes off, I'm cleaned. BJ from other, and then condom and repeat of previous one. As someone said before, do not count on any interaction between them, but it was a nice experience.

I came to Manhattan again one more day, but as it was later. Already was fully crowded. So I left to Judy where I ended with an amazing black girl. 1500 damage, super GFE experience what felt almost like having sex when you were 20.

Also there seems to be LE activity. They were around Manhattan. Also during the massage there was a false alarm at one point. Stay safe.

Shanghai definitely has a lot to offer, I believe I could go to Manhattan / Judy everyday and have great fun. Hope it stays that way if my travels take me to Shanghai again.

[QUOTE=Martinis;2034486]OK, as an inexperienced punter went to Shanghai. First I would like to thank all the posters and SNG. Both proved to be very useful. In short Shanghai seems quite good.

First went with Cathy Shanghai. She is very easy to arrange over email, very professional. We exchanged a few emails in advanced, confirmed everything a little bit before. She arrives on time. Definitely tries to please. Has great hands-free BJ technique and can take all the way in the back. Definitely recommended if you want non-typical treatment.

Then tried a random massage place on Lancun Rd, not really sure of the name. But it is on the north side close to Double Tree by Hilton. There are a few places there and what looks to be like a bar, all in a row. I went to the last one where there was only a girl at the counter. Negotiated oil massage 60 minutes for 150. Went up and was greeted by what I think was a nice, a bit older girl, wasn't really paying attention as I was actually looking for a massage, but the way she was dressed suggested more was to be offered. Very nice massage started, a little bit action around butt and boys. After 30-40 minutes (hard to tell) and very nice back massage she starts suggesting a 90 minute version that includes more. I agree, price is 370. She calls downstairs to tell them it will be longer version and starts massaging. Amazing hands, I didn't try to negotiate any extra but just closed eyes and enjoyed. She is definitely an expert, relaxes and drains you perfectly for sweet dreams afterwards..[/QUOTE]Regarding the LE activities I wonder if it was a follow up on their temp closure a few months ago due to smoking inside the place. I know the smoking laws changed this year forbidding smoking indoors and they were closed down for a month due to being caught. Wonder if anyone else has comments on it.

The tobacco business is a state monolopy earning 15% of GDP. The lobby of my hotel on Jiaozhou road is still not entirely smoke free yet. The Hongqiao Train station seems ok, but the on the train platforms its condoned. China is being dragged kicking and screaming into the civilized world. Americans love the protected status of their weapons. Texans take them into the voting booths and church, and schools. Unfortunately smokers everywhere congregate near an open door. In Japan the problem has been solved buy creating glass ghettos and prohibiting smoking on most streets. The doorway in restaurants is open, but a good ventilation system renders the non smoking areas clean. The airport at Pudong closed the smoking areas, where smokers used to wander around outside their cubicle. Dali airport has a smoke and cigarette sales room next to the restaurant and departure gate. The odor travels up into the second floor departure gates.

Back in the city after being away a long time. So, my usual sources of information seem out of date (Shanghai Nightlife Guide). Also seems like many of the great saunas are now closed. Can anyone please help with the following questions:

(1) what saunas do you recommend nowadays?

(2) are there any other websites or any other sources of info that are useful now that SNG is not updated?

Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2033906]The following districts are experiencing extreme high wind lasting through the remainder of this week and possibly into next:

All of Pudong, Minhang, Xuhui, Jingan, and Changning. If you absolutely have to go out and play, stay in Hongkou district.

This message is brought to you by your local weather channel.[/QUOTE]All of Shanghai is currently under potential raids due to the Silk Road initiative forum (in Beijing but with side meetings in Shanghai too).

From the feedback I got, Hongkou is exposed to high winds too. There have been under cover raids and the usual red envelope to local police won't help much as these raids come from other districts and sometimes other province.

As a result lots of MPs have been told to close in the mean time in changning district. Some open with low profile / lights off at special times or are old customers only to stay away from unwanted guests. Some of the official guests stay in the hongqiao area which is why this area is even more exposed right now.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2035775]All of Shanghai is currently under potential raids due to the Silk Road initiative forum (in Beijing but with side meetings in Shanghai too).

From the feedback I got, Hongkou is exposed to high winds too. There have been under cover raids and the usual red envelope to local police won't help much as these raids come from other districts and sometimes other province.

As a result lots of MPs have been told to close in the mean time in changning district. Some open with low profile / lights off at special times or are old customers only to stay away from unwanted guests. Some of the official guests stay in the hongqiao area which is why this area is even more exposed right now.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Sino is right. The storm has moved into Hongkou too. Relax gents, this conference will end soon and corruption will rule once again. Meantime fork out the extra RMB and call an independent, or get intimate with the hand.

A few nights ago I spent some time in Manhattan but found very crowded and noisy. After a while I decided to head for Judy's just to see what was going on. As I am standing near the bar sipping a beer a lady approaches me and starts to massage my arms and shoulders but does not say a word. She is wearing jeans with holes on them and a wine color top exhibiting what appear to be a nice size breast. She told me that she was from Cambodia, but in reality she is from Vietnam. Long black hair and a nice smile. The massage continues for a few minutes then she proceeds to the sale, it was really noisy there and her accent made hard to understand so I bought her a beer and we moved to the back to continue the interview. She asked for 1200 for overnight including massage, I counter offered 1000 and if you are really good 1200. Just trying to give her a performance incentive. We head out and she asks if I have condoms, seemed estrange that she did not have at least one. I bought some outside from a woman and we got in the taxi.

At the hotel she filled the tub and gave me a bath, while drying me she gave me a sample of her BBBJ skills, then she took a bath and came to the bed where I was already laying down. After the deed she gave me a great massage and I went to sleep. In the morning we repeated, CBJ and CFS, then she took a shower and left. It seemed to me that she did not want to leave but was concerned about bothering me, since I was done I did not object for her to leave.

Conclusion, it was a good experience with a woman who did not make me feel like I was with a professional, it felt more like a friend. I think that of all my experiences in Shanghai, Judy's has given me the best results.

Be safe, BP.

Make no mistake. The girls working Manhattan are certainly a step up in the looks department overall than those working Judys' Performance? Well it varies. Treat the girl good and in most cases she will deliver in spades. Prices at Judys are obviously lower also.

Foreign working girls rarely carry condoms with them. Police regularly stop and search. If found with condoms on person then deportation can be swift. It is indeed the girls being careful rather than neglectful.

Big Poppa.

Sam and Az are smiling and sending you high 5's. Good value for money. Me too. Got her phone #.

Bj4987.

Hi bros,

I was in Shanghai last month. After a RTFF session (thanks for yours answers to my numerous questions), I finally decided to explore 2 places:

- 851 shaanxi bei lu: very easy to find. The place is not very clean but still OK. I asked for and° 18. She was available. The girl is OK, blond hair (yes), 6/10 body, funny girl. Not really a massage as the girl goes quite quickly to the point. Very nice session indeed. Damage: 280 RMB for 45 mn! I went back the day after. Could have been much further if I had enough money with me. Next time.

- #76 Changshou Rd, 4th floor: also easy to find. Ask for and°3. Really a beautiful girl. What a nice session. I will not go into details but believe me, you re going to have a great time! Damage: 250 RMB for 1 hour. Yes!

These 2 places are great for foreigners. I don't speak a word of Chinese but it was not necessary.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2036490]Big Poppa.

Sam and Az are smiling and sending you high 5's. Good value for money. Me too. Got her phone #.

Bj4987.[/QUOTE]For how they described her I am not sure is the same girl. Could you PM me the number? I would like to verify just out of curiosity.

I've been to Manila many times, but there is something about Shanghai that attracts me like flies to honey.

Thanks,

BP.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2036463]Make no mistake. The girls working Manhattan are certainly a step up in the looks department overall than those working Judys' Performance? Well it varies. Treat the girl good and in most cases she will deliver in spades. Prices at Judys are obviously lower also.

Foreign working girls rarely carry condoms with them. Police regularly stop and search. If found with condoms on person then deportation can be swift. It is indeed the girls being careful rather than neglectful.[/QUOTE]Now it makes sense, she told me that she does mostly massage and HJ. I bought that one, shame on me.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2036339]A few nights ago I spent some time in Manhattan but found very crowded and noisy. After a while I decided to head for Judy's just to see what was going on. As I am standing near the bar sipping a beer a lady approaches me and starts to massage my arms and shoulders but does not say a word. She is wearing jeans with holes on them and a wine color top exhibiting what appear to be a nice size breast. She told me that she was from Cambodia, but in reality she is from Vietnam. Long black hair and a nice smile. The massage continues for a few minutes then she proceeds to the sale, it was really noisy there and her accent made hard to understand so I bought her a beer and we moved to the back to continue the interview. She asked for 1200 for overnight including massage, I counter offered 1000 and if you are really good 1200. Just trying to give her a performance incentive. We head out and she asks if I have condoms, seemed estrange that she did not have at least one. I bought some outside from a woman and we got in the taxi..[/QUOTE]I may very well have enjoyed the same service from the same girl.

It goes without saying, that you can't definitively claim Judy's Bar has better quality girls than Manhattans.

Having said that, based on my experience and that of a couple of buddies, is that the chance of getting poor service is is greater from Manhattans. It's horses for courses, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

Laters.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2035231]The tobacco business is a state monolopy earning 15% of GDP. The lobby of my hotel on Jiaozhou road is still not entirely smoke free yet. The Hongqiao Train station seems ok, but the on the train platforms its condoned. China is being dragged kicking and screaming into the civilized world. Americans love the protected status of their weapons. Texans take them into the voting booths and church, and schools. Unfortunately smokers everywhere congregate near an open door. In Japan the problem has been solved buy creating glass ghettos and prohibiting smoking on most streets. The doorway in restaurants is open, but a good ventilation system renders the non smoking areas clean. The airport at Pudong closed the smoking areas, where smokers used to wander around outside their cubicle. Dali airport has a smoke and cigarette sales room next to the restaurant and departure gate. The odor travels up into the second floor departure gates.[/QUOTE]Thank heavens the smoking ban in Shanghai hasn't spread.

Smoking and drinking are the perfect partners.

As far as I am aware there are still smoking areas at Hongqiao and Pudong airports, you just need to find them.

I decided to get a legit massage and this place looked very legit. Paid 528 kuai for an 80 minute Stress Relief oil massage. The room was great, had a shower and I took one, and put on the blue paper shorts and laid down. In walked in this cutie with a tennis outfit (I. E. , short skirt). I didn't think much of it, but while she was massaging me, she massaged my butt crack and groin, and on the flip, more massage around the groin area. So, I realized that more was on offer. She asked if I wanted an HJ and I said yes, and she said 400. I laughed and said 200 was okay. She refused and finally we settled on 300. It was great. So, I decided to do some research on this place on ISG, but the search function turned up nothing. Have any of you guys tried this place? If so, I have a few questions. First, do I have to pay for a oil massage to hint that I am up for a HJ? A 60-minute regular massage without oil goes for 268 kuai. Second, is more on offer than just HJ at this place? Any other bros have any other experience? FYI, my gal was number 80. Very sensual massage, young, tight bod, and okay looking, but wouldn't let me touch her. Her english was pretty crappy. But would repeat just for the unrushed sensual massage.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2036974]I decided to get a legit massage and this place looked very legit. Paid 528 kuai for an 80 minute Stress Relief oil massage. The room was great, had a shower and I took one, and put on the blue paper shorts and laid down. In walked in this cutie with a tennis outfit (I. E. , short skirt). I didn't think much of it, but while she was massaging me, she massaged my butt crack and groin, and on the flip, more massage around the groin area. So, I realized that more was on offer. She asked if I wanted an HJ and I said yes, and she said 400. I laughed and said 200 was okay. She refused and finally we settled on 300. It was great. So, I decided to do some research on this place on ISG, but the search function turned up nothing. Have any of you guys tried this place? If so, I have a few questions. First, do I have to pay for a oil massage to hint that I am up for a HJ? A 60-minute regular massage without oil goes for 268 kuai. Second, is more on offer than just HJ at this place? Any other bros have any other experience? FYI, my gal was number 80. Very sensual massage, young, tight bod, and okay looking, but wouldn't let me touch her. Her english was pretty crappy. But would repeat just for the unrushed sensual massage.[/QUOTE]There are too many of such spas to name. I'd hazard a guess that at least 1/3rd of massage shops in shanghai will have some menu items for the discerning gentleman. The sticker price you paid was on the high side and I would have expected the ending to be included, I. E. She should not have asked for a tip, and at 500 RMB down to 300 RMB, she saw you coming, especially since it was clothed with no touching! Consider what the average wage and cost of living in this city is. You paid NY prices.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2036026]Sino is right. The storm has moved into Hongkou too. Relax gents, this conference will end soon and corruption will rule once again. Meantime fork out the extra RMB and call an independent, or get intimate with the hand.[/QUOTE]I notice the spas around the block from Carrefour at Shuicheng subway stop on Line 10 are still open. These places are HJ / BJ / FS places. Are they still offering a full menu during the storm?

[QUOTE=KinkyGinge;2036941]Thank heavens the smoking ban in Shanghai hasn't spread.

Smoking and drinking are the perfect partners.

As far as I am aware there are still smoking areas at Hongqiao and Pudong airports, you just need to find them.[/QUOTE]Smoking and death are the perfect partners. Passive smoking and death are perfect partners!

Why contaminate the most natural of human activities. Our collective hobby. With the smell and taste of burning leaves? Kiss a smoker and notice the difference.

Just my experience!

P13.

[QUOTE=KinkyGinge;2036939]I we may very well have enjoyed the same service from the same girl.

It goes without saying, that you can't definitively claim Judy's Bar has better quality girls than Manhattans.

Having said that, based on my experience and that of a couple of buddies, is that the chance of getting poor service is is greater from Manhattans. It's horses for courses, you pays your money and you takes your choice.


Laters.[/QUOTE]Did she try to smoke in your room? I did not let her smoke, I was concerned with the cleaning charge. Don't know how much it was but in the USA is about $250.00.

I trying to figure out if we are all talking about the same woman. If so, she is extremely popular and we should give her a certificate of appreciation.

BP.

I try frankfurt, Panama, Shanghai and they all redirect to usa backpage. Any ideas?

Was in Shanghai for one night. Arrive in Hongqiao airport at about 2 pm, checked in shanghai hongqiao airport, within walking distance and settle down at about 3 pm, check the 52 longfend and found a sauna nearby. Called the manager and got the direction. Took the line 10 to the station as directed and called the manager when I am in front the building. He come to meet me and let me to the facility, underground in a huge restaurant. As usual, changed and when to have a have a shower first, soaked in a hot water for about 30 minutes while enjoy a beer, then had a body scrub by a guy. The manager came over to me to the fish bowl, choose a hunan girl. She let me by hand to a large room I with a round bed. Shower first, waterbed activity second, onto the bed for the action, including BBBJ, RIMMING, CG, DG, MS finished with me on top. Total damage 998 for 90 minutes.

What a fun place. I wish I live in Shanghai.

JB.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2038025]I try frankfurt, Panama, Shanghai and they all redirect to usa backpage. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]To hobbiest.

Just use one of VPN in China you should be OK.

Fast Eddie 48.

I want to gave another sauna experience before I have to flight out at 3:30 pm from Hongqiao airport. Contact the manager I had yesterday. He said come over at 12 pm. I arrived the place at about 12:15 due to the traffic. He met me at the entrance and we quickly get to the changing room with no delay. I have no time to take a shower and the fishbowl was not ready yet. He let me to one the room directly and called the girls come to the room. There were about 9 to 10 girl available and I choose T36. The others quickly exist the room and we start the sauna routine at about 12:30, get naked, shower together, onto the waterbed for wet nuru, then dried, and to the bed. Because I enjoy the sauna service, I just follow the girl's flow as there have a program printed on card to follow. By the time I finished, it was 1:45,75 minutes passed already. The session was 90 minutes and 15 minutes left. As I was in hurry to catch my flight. I request to terminate earlier. The girl have to call the manager and they confirm with me to agree to terminate early. I walked out the door in 5 minutes and catched a taxi back to my hotel. Because the hotel in right next to the airport. Arrived my hotel in 15 minutes as this is the noon time and the traffic was not bad. Checked out, walked to the terminate 2 and get in my flight just on time.

Jb.

I used to take my luggage to sauna and go directly to the airport after that.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2038275]I want to gave another sauna experience before I have to flight out at 3:30 pm from Hongqiao airport. Contact the manager I had yesterday. He said come over at 12 pm. I arrived the place at about 12:15 due to the traffic. He met me at the entrance and we quickly get to the changing room with no delay. I have no time to take a shower and the fishbowl was not ready yet. He let me to one the room directly and called the girls come to the room. There were about 9 to 10 girl available and I choose T36. The others quickly exist the room and we start the sauna routine at about 12:30, get naked, shower together, onto the waterbed for wet nuru, then dried, and to the bed. Because I enjoy the sauna service, I just follow the girl's flow as there have a program printed on card to follow. By the time I finished, it was 1:45,75 minutes passed already. The session was 90 minutes and 15 minutes left. As I was in hurry to catch my flight. I request to terminate earlier. The girl have to call the manager and they confirm with me to agree to terminate early. I walked out the door in 5 minutes and catched a taxi back to my hotel. Because the hotel in right next to the airport. Arrived my hotel in 15 minutes as this is the noon time and the traffic was not bad. Checked out, walked to the terminate 2 and get in my flight just on time.

Jb.[/QUOTE]

I am US now-I have the same experience-backpage only showing US citires?

No matter what country you click on.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2038046]To hobbiest.

Just use one of VPN in China you should be OK.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marty47;2038685]I am US now-I have the same experience-backpage only showing US citires?

No matter what country you click on.[/QUOTE]Good to know its not just me or my firewall.

The "redirection" has to do with the physical location of your internet server.

If you have a VPN, point it to a server in Hong Kong and then you will be able to connect to those foreign sites.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2039136]The "redirection" has to do with the physical location of your internet server.

If you have a VPN, point it to a server in Hong Kong and then you will be able to connect to those foreign sites.[/QUOTE]Thanks Red. I figured that out. Its just that this is something new in the past week. Just FYI.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2037534]Did she try to smoke in your room? I did not let her smoke, I was concerned with the cleaning charge. Don't know how much it was but in the USA is about $250.00.

I trying to figure out if we are all talking about the same woman. If so, she is extremely popular and we should give her a certificate of appreciation.

BP.[/QUOTE]Sounding more like the same girl.

I've smoked in a shanghai hotel room, by an open window. I've never been stuck with a cleaning charge. I haven't heard of anyone who has.

Had a brief 18-hour layover in Shanghai so planned accordingly. Was by myself so could not realistically do a KTV and given recent sauna issues, did not feel like hunting one down Saturday night would be the best idea when everything is a zoo.

Booked a room at the Portman Ritz Carlton (very short walk from Manhattan and Judy's) and dropped my bags off 6 pm. Walked around the neighborhood for a bit and picked up coffee at Starbucks for a recharge. Went back to the hotel for a quick shower before heading to The Bund for drinks and dinner. Within 2 minutes of getting out of the cab, was approached by a guy on the street asking me if I wanted to check out a massage parlor which I politely declined. Took a look at Bar Rouge and it was still half empty around 10 pm but the view was spectacular. A lot of expats and rich Chinese students but did not seem as though there were any freelancers. Ultimately was not really the scene I was looking for so I left despite having paid a rather steep 100 CNY cover charge. Took in the sights and sounds along the water before heading back to the hotel and Manhattan.

Manhattan was crowded at 11 pm. Did a quick lap around and saw a few familiar faces from my last trip (none I had actually picked up). One of the freelancers approached me when I was ordering a drink at the bar and we had a friendly conversation. I liked her enough and she had good English skills but did not feel enough chemistry so politely declined after she indicated her price was 3000 CNY for the entire evening.

Pro-tip #1: Manhattan is fairly dark. If you want to get a better look at the girls, just walk over to the bathroom corridor and hang out for a bit / pretend to look at your phone. There is a very long hallway that is brightly lit and at any given time there are a dozen girls either standing near the bathroom or walking back and forth. You can also hear each other speak because the music is not as loud.

I honestly do not like spending a ton of time at Manhattan because of the noise, smoke, crowd, etc. So really wanted to find the best available girl as soon as possible. As luck would have it, I spotted an incredibly pretty woman near the entrance who had just arrived. Immediately walked up to her and did the usual what is your name, where are you from (Hanoi), how old are you (22). Routine. I could feel instant chemistry that was not just looks-based so asked / agreed to her price (also 3000 CNY) and headed back to the hotel for a drink, all within 5 minutes.

Pro-tip #2: When leaving Manhattan, there is a small late-night shop at the end of the street if you turn left. Offer to buy a girl a snack, candy, drink, etc. It is a very small gesture that they appreciate and also a chance for you to pick up extra condoms and bottled water. You can also get cabs which charge a normal rate here. My girl picked up a beverage + bar of chocolate and it really made her happy.

Had a fantastic chat with the help of a translation app over drinks at the Portman (there is a classy bar in the lobby) for about an hour which really broke the ice and established even more chemistry. Did not avoid the obvious way we met and made a joke about how the girls at Manhattan were colluding on price, which she did not deny! Asked her about life, what she enjoyed doing in Shanghai, and other normal almost date-like topics. Headed up to my room and had one of the best sessions ever – separate showers (which I prefer), DFK, BBBJ, CFS in multiple positions. I don't think she was best at any one thing, but what made it great was (1) her absolutely fantastic body and (2) the amount of rapport we had established over drinks. Entire session must have lasted about 2 hours. Woke up around 7 am but did not pursue another go given my flight although there was some more DFK. Let her go at 8 am after exchanging WeChat info and paid her + small tip + cab fare. Would definitely revisit if we are both in town again.

Pro-tip #3: Be a gentleman and treat the girls well. I'm sure they deal with a lot of unsavory characters and a-holes. It is not an easy "job" and if you show them care / respect / kindness (like you would a girlfriend), then obviously your chances at getting a GFE is much higher as she will see you as a welcome change of pace. Also, take care of yourself! Make sure you smell good, dress reasonably well, and are staying at a decent hotel -- it makes a huge difference.

[QUOTE=NRock;2039607]Had a brief 18-hour layover in Shanghai so planned accordingly. Was by myself so could not realistically do a KTV and given recent sauna issues, did not feel like hunting one down Saturday night would be the best idea when everything is a zoo.

Booked a room at the Portman Ritz Carlton (very short walk from Manhattan and Judy's) and dropped my bags off 6 pm. Walked around the neighborhood for a bit and picked up coffee at Starbucks for a recharge. Went back to the hotel for a quick shower before heading to The Bund for drinks and dinner. Within 2 minutes of getting out of the cab, was approached by a guy on the street asking me if I wanted to check out a massage parlor which I politely declined. Took a look at Bar Rouge and it was still half empty around 10 pm but the view was spectacular. A lot of expats and rich Chinese students but did not seem as though there were any freelancers. Ultimately was not really the scene I was looking for so I left despite having paid a rather steep 100 CNY cover charge. Took in the sights and sounds along the water before heading back to the hotel and Manhattan.

Manhattan was crowded at 11 pm. Did a quick lap around and saw a few familiar faces from my last trip (none I had actually picked up). One of the freelancers approached me when I was ordering a drink at the bar and we had a friendly conversation. I liked her enough and she had good English skills but did not feel enough chemistry so politely declined after she indicated her price was 3000 CNY for the entire evening.

Pro-tip #1: Manhattan is fairly dark. If you want to get a better look at the girls, just walk over to the bathroom corridor and hang out for a bit / pretend to look at your phone. There is a very long hallway that is brightly lit and at any given time there are a dozen girls either standing near the bathroom or walking back and forth. You can also hear each other speak because the music is not as loud.

I honestly do not like spending a ton of time at Manhattan because of the noise, smoke, crowd, etc. So really wanted to find the best available girl as soon as possible. As luck would have it, I spotted an incredibly pretty woman near the entrance who had just arrived. Immediately walked up to her and did the usual what is your name, where are you from (Hanoi), how old are you (22). Routine. I could feel instant chemistry that was not just looks-based so asked / agreed to her price (also 3000 CNY) and headed back to the hotel for a drink, all within 5 minutes.

Pro-tip #2: When leaving Manhattan, there is a small late-night shop at the end of the street if you turn left. Offer to buy a girl a snack, candy, drink, etc. It is a very small gesture that they appreciate and also a chance for you to pick up extra condoms and bottled water. You can also get cabs which charge a normal rate here. My girl picked up a beverage + bar of chocolate and it really made her happy.

Had a fantastic chat with the help of a translation app over drinks at the Portman (there is a classy bar in the lobby) for about an hour which really broke the ice and established even more chemistry. Did not avoid the obvious way we met and made a joke about how the girls at Manhattan were colluding on price, which she did not deny! Asked her about life, what she enjoyed doing in Shanghai, and other normal almost date-like topics. Headed up to my room and had one of the best sessions ever separate showers (which I prefer), DFK, BBBJ, CFS in multiple positions. I don't think she was best at any one thing, but what made it great was (1) her absolutely fantastic body and (2) the amount of rapport we had established over drinks. Entire session must have lasted about 2 hours. Woke up around 7 am but did not pursue another go given my flight although there was some more DFK. Let her go at 8 am after exchanging WeChat info and paid her + small tip + cab fare. Would definitely revisit if we are both in town again.

Pro-tip #3: Be a gentleman and treat the girls well. I'm sure they deal with a lot of unsavory characters and a-holes. It is not an easy "job" and if you show them care / respect / kindness (like you would a girlfriend), then obviously your chances at getting a GFE is much higher as she will see you as a welcome change of pace. Also, take care of yourself! Make sure you smell good, dress reasonably well, and are staying at a decent hotel -- it makes a huge difference.[/QUOTE]3000 RMB for a girl from Manhatten seems really high. She must have been really something. Last time I was there 4 months ago I took 2 out of there that were spectacular for 1500 LT and 1200 LT. Will be there in about a week. Hopefully prices haven't gotten stupid in last couple months.

[QUOTE=LostInShanghai;2029210]No experience with her, but her web page seems reasonable enough. Price is right, HOWEVER, she is asking for cash upfront. The usual rule here is, fun first, pay later. Suggest you enforce that, and if she won't agree, call Shanghai Nightlife Guide.[/QUOTE]So I go to try write a review from this girl name Cherry, sorry for my bad English.

[URL]http://www.shanghaiescort.is-best.net/[/URL]

[URL]http://shanghai.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-girl-just-for-you-independent-and-open-minded/3588672[/URL]

I make a phone call to meet each other in the hotel. She came right on time, she is older than what I saw on the picture, but it was for me not a problem, she looks like a nice lady. We make a agreement that she stay for 24 hours I pay 450 euro. She give me in my room first a nice massage not so hard and good as a Thai massage. A Thai massage is much harder, but it was OK for me, than also the s. X was good. She stay all night with me. The next day she was nice and told me that she walk with me in shanghai and that for free!! In myself I thought ' that is strange' because I pay for the 24 hours so why say she that its a free time? We had a agreement for 24 hours for 450 euros.

In the morning she said that she going first to home and we meet each other back in the center on a point about 10 am. I stay on that point I waiting for her and she arrived at 11 am. She Apologized here for the delay the reason was lots off traffic in the centrum and there was no taxi available. Further we walk all day in Shanghai and we had a good time.

During the all day she ask never for more money, so she is honest about that.

[QUOTE=Canada;2039900]3000 RMB for a girl from Manhatten seems really high. She must have been really something. Last time I was there 4 months ago I took 2 out of there that were spectacular for 1500 LT and 1200 LT. Will be there in about a week. Hopefully prices haven't gotten stupid in last couple months.[/QUOTE]Please keep in mind that prices are situational. This was 11 pm on a Saturday night at peak capacity. I assume I could have gotten the price down if (1) it was later in the night, (2) it was a weekday, (3) I had spent an hour or two buying her drinks to lock her in. In retrospect, I think she would have taken 2000 and I would have paid 4000 -- LOL. It also really depends on the girl and what they are used to getting in the market. I met one before that flat out refused to take anything below 2,500 LT and actually suggested I find another girl (or go to Judy's) that would be willing to take less if I did not want to go that high.

Overall though, the issue of price inflation is happening and the impact of increasing local Chinese wealth is well covered on the forum. This is how ridiculous it has gotten: last year, I saw a local Chinese guy tip the bathroom attendant at Manhattan 100 RMB. So that is the type of character the girls are starting to become accustomed to.

[QUOTE=NRock;2039956]Please keep in mind that prices are situational. This was 11 pm on a Saturday night at peak capacity. I assume I could have gotten the price down if (1) it was later in the night, (2) it was a weekday, (3) I had spent an hour or two buying her drinks to lock her in. In retrospect, I think she would have taken 2000 and I would have paid 4000 -- LOL. It also really depends on the girl and what they are used to getting in the market. I met one before that flat out refused to take anything below 2,500 LT and actually suggested I find another girl (or go to Judy's) that would be willing to take less if I did not want to go that high.

Overall though, the issue of price inflation is happening and the impact of increasing local Chinese wealth is well covered on the forum. This is how ridiculous it has gotten: last year, I saw a local Chinese guy tip the bathroom attendant at Manhattan 100 RMB. So that is the type of character the girls are starting to become accustomed to.[/QUOTE]I understand fully. You were limited on time and prices are always higher at 11:00 PM as most girls are just getting there. The girls have always started about 3000 and some hold out until the end. If you had a great experience it was probably worth it to you. Like you we all have overpaid at one time or another. A few years ago I paid 2500 for a model perfect 10 Mongolian in Maggies at 1:30 AM and she turned out to be one of the worst lays in Beijing. Just laid on the bed and looked beautiful with no sex skills. If she was great to look at and great in the sack you can live with 3000.

I will be in Shanghai and Beijing next week for 10 days.

Agree that prices are getting out of hand. I was in a spa the other day and after the flip my older ugly provider asked for 500 for HJ. I suggested 200. She stopped negotiating and said my time was up. Why not work an extra 2 minutes to get 200 or 300 kaui?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2040073]Agree that prices are getting out of hand. I was in a spa the other day and after the flip my older ugly provider asked for 500 for HJ. I suggested 200. She stopped negotiating and said my time was up. Why not work an extra 2 minutes to get 200 or 300 kaui?[/QUOTE]Hah you should look at this study by a chinese punter about MPs in SH.

[URL]http://shlf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=432977&extra=page%3D1%26filter%3Dsortid%26sortid%3D1[/URL]

He recorded data from 431 shops all over the main districts in Shanghai.

180 to 500 RMB for different level of service.

His post also reminds the ongoing "anti pornography" war led by different instances of the government in Jiangsu, Zhejiang, etc. But also Shanghai.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Canada;2039900]3000 RMB for a girl from Manhatten seems really high. She must have been really something. Last time I was there 4 months ago I took 2 out of there that were spectacular for 1500 LT and 1200 LT. Will be there in about a week. Hopefully prices haven't gotten stupid in last couple months.[/QUOTE]Same here I was there late March this year, I picked up some great girls for 1000 and two pops agreed. One very pretty girl wanted 1500 for one pop and 2500 for all night but never agreed if the "all night " got me more pops.

I prefer to sleep alone so two pops and gone works for me. If I am into them the 2nd pop is agreed to. If it doesn't for for me, I just tell them I am tired and tell them they can go. It beats wanting a second round and not negotiating it.

Even with that, I've never had problems of meeting that budget. Many have asked for 3000 but they quickly come down if you give a lower number.

I saw a guy with only 800 CNY on him pick up a girl at Judy's (she was probably a 6) leave for short time. All types for all budgets.

The girls at YuYuan road MP in Jingan are getting mighty lonely this [URL]week.Com[/URL]e on guys. Support them and their families. I'm states side.

Hi everyone,

I've been in Shanghai for a while now and yesterday I tried the Changshou Lu #76 MP, what can I say, the service was really good with BBBJTC included, sweet girls. I asked the girl but she refused to do FS so I would love to know some MP with FS, it would be greatly appreciated.

Yesterday's damage: 280.

Haliax.

Become a member and I'll pm you with info.

BJ.

Hi friend,

I would be in Shanghai after 1 week & will stay in Pudong. Double tree by Hilton.

Can you give me a number of good service provider / independent escort?

A good Sauna / Massage centre will be fine too.

Thanks brother.

Regards.

Golden Rule.

[QUOTE=Iwezor;2016295]Hey guys!

I'm in Shanghai and I'm having issues finding some reliable source of quality girl for a erotic massage. I prefer hotel visits for reasons.

I'm staying at Kerry Hotel in Pudong.

Any recommendation?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

It's been a while since my visit, but I think some of the points below will still be quite valid.

Started by visiting the Dongguan Model Sauna (contact info from SNG. Added Jack on WeChat. Good communication skills). Location was in a hotel on Yuyao Road. Lineup of around 10 girls with various tags, prices ranging from 900 - 2000 yuan for 90 minutes. You can ask the manager about what services each girl provides. I was interested in CIM, and she assured me all girls do it (possibly if they are told by the manager that it is requested by the client). I tried it on 2 separate evenings and I was very satisfied with the service received and the atmosphere of the place.

Also, on 2 separate occasions, I visited Cherry form Rain. The incall place that she has looks pretty much like a normal students room, so you will really get the GFE feeling of fucking a young local girl. She is pretty much open to everything except a-levels and delivers very enthusiastically. Price was 1500 yuan for a 1 pop in 60 minutes.

Funny thing that happened one day while at the hotel (in Changing) was that I got added on WeChat by a "representative" of a neighbouring sauna who asked if I would be interested in trying their services. I was somewhat sceptical, but tried it anyway. Prices were lower then Dongguan for the same model of girls and the place didn't look that well kept. Also you need to communicate quite a lot with the manager to tell him what kind of services you desire, so that he can filter out which girls do what. Tried it 3 times, had 2 very good experiences and 1 very lousy one with a starfish.

Coming back to Shanghai starting next week. I would love to connect with some of the locals to share advice and experiences. Do I need to get some kind of membership on this site to be able to do private messaging?

Regards,

George.

[QUOTE=Georges123;2043714]It's been a while since my visit, but I think some of the points below will still be quite valid.

Started by visiting the Dongguan Model Sauna (contact info from SNG. Added Jack on WeChat. Good communication skills). Location was in a hotel on Yuyao Road. Lineup of around 10 girls with various tags, prices ranging from 900 - 2000 yuan for 90 minutes. You can ask the manager about what services each girl provides. I was interested in CIM, and she assured me all girls do it (possibly if they are told by the manager that it is requested by the client). I tried it on 2 separate evenings and I was very satisfied with the service received and the atmosphere of the place.

Also, on 2 separate occasions, I visited Cherry form Rain. The incall place that she has looks pretty much like a normal students room, so you will really get the GFE feeling of fucking a young local girl. She is pretty much open to everything except a-levels and delivers very enthusiastically. Price was 1500 yuan for a 1 pop in 60 minutes..[/QUOTE]Hi George,

Thanks for a great report. Nice to know the 'limits' (or lack of) among Shanghai girls. I've only recently started visiting China and I'm impressed by the BBBJ skills of Chinese girls. I should be back in Shanghai on a couple of days.

But yes, a private message here requires that you buy a membership. Details below.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=GoldenRule;2043457]Hi friend,

I would be in Shanghai after 1 week & will stay in Pudong. Double tree by Hilton.

Can you give me a number of good service provider / independent escort?

A good Sauna / Massage centre will be fine too.

Thanks brother.

Regards.

Golden Rule.[/QUOTE]Go across road to Lancun Road, and try Fudi massage. Basic he for about 240 RMB, no tip required.

Will be in Shanghai in 3 weeks in Pudong (Hotel Marriott). Any service recommended closeby?

Thanks for your hints and I will compensate with a report.

Cheers,

Raul.

[QUOTE=Raul11;2044219]Will be in Shanghai in 3 weeks in Pudong (Hotel Marriott). Any service recommended closeby?

Thanks for your hints and I will compensate with a report.

Cheers,

Raul.[/QUOTE]Marriot pudong east? That place can be very expensive. I went to shanana massage near the hotel. I had a nice massage by a young 23 year old thing complete with HJ. It wasnt' bad. There was some barbershops up the road to the north but I don't recall the road names as it was a long time ago. Someone said there was a spa at the marriot in the parking garage.

[QUOTE=Raul11;2044219]Will be in Shanghai in 3 weeks in Pudong (Hotel Marriott). Any service recommended closeby?

Thanks for your hints and I will compensate with a report.

Cheers,

Raul.[/QUOTE]To Raul.

I am not sure you are looking for FS in your room Marriott Pudong is a very nice hotel contact many escort in Shanghai, there are a few bar and massage place near by most taxi guy know where to take you or you can ask the bell captain for help with a tip.

Fast Eddie 48.

I get asked for this by the girls. Anyone else experiencing this? It's a fee to use their place, and to clean their sheets.

[QUOTE=Raul11;2044219]Will be in Shanghai in 3 weeks in Pudong (Hotel Marriott). Any service recommended closeby?

Thanks for your hints and I will compensate with a report.

Cheers,

Raul.[/QUOTE]There's more than one Marriott in Pudong. If it is the Pudong East Marriott, I have a contact for the sauna located onsite.

Taz.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2044531]I get asked for this by the girls. Anyone else experiencing this? It's a fee to use their place, and to clean their sheets.[/QUOTE]Tried incall with Cherry from Rain twice and she never mentioned anything similar. Maybe it is something new?

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2044558]There's more than one Marriott in Pudong. If it is the Pudong East Marriott, I have a contact for the sauna located onsite.

Taz.[/QUOTE]Not only do I have a contact, I have a discount card.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2044593]Not only do I have a contact, I have a discount card.[/QUOTE]Its the courtyard Marriott. Thanks for advises and contacts!

[QUOTE=Raul11;2044800]Its the courtyard Marriott. Thanks for advises and contacts![/QUOTE]The spa at the Courtyard in DongFang Rd. Is a ripoff, at least it was a few years ago and I never tried again. The hotel is very close to Sacrosa, but it was closed in April when I was there. There is a Spring massage nearby but YMMV, I got BBBJ included a few times but she wanted a tip for HJ last time.

That's all I know about that area, if you read back you will find many reports for other options. My favorite is Judy's.

Good luck, BP.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2045018]The spa at the Courtyard in DongFang Rd. Is a ripoff, at least it was a few years ago and I never tried again. The hotel is very close to Sacrosa, but it was closed in April when I was there. There is a Spring massage nearby but YMMV, I got BBBJ included a few times but she wanted a tip for HJ last time.

That's all I know about that area, if you read back you will find many reports for other options. My favorite is Judy's.

Good luck, BP.[/QUOTE]And had a very nice time, not as nice as Bodi, but if you want a spa experience with nuru it was good. Owned by the same folks as Bodi, I was told.

Judys is a totally different thing, unless you have a spa shower and massage table and jacuzzi in your room, maybe you do.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2045037]And had a very nice time, not as nice as Bodi, but if you want a spa experience with nuru it was good. Owned by the same folks as Bodi, I was told.

Judys is a totally different thing, unless you have a spa shower and massage table and jacuzzi in your room, maybe you do.[/QUOTE]You are referring to the Marriott East, I am referring to the Courtyard which is what Raul is asking about.

BP.

Any advice on where to take a girl from Judy's if your hotel room isn't an option? Are there low cost "no-tells" in the vicinity?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2036974]I decided to get a legit massage and this place looked very legit. Paid 528 kuai for an 80 minute Stress Relief oil massage. The room was great, had a shower and I took one, and put on the blue paper shorts and laid down. In walked in this cutie with a tennis outfit (I. E. , short skirt). I didn't think much of it, but while she was massaging me, she massaged my butt crack and groin, and on the flip, more massage around the groin area. So, I realized that more was on offer. She asked if I wanted an HJ and I said yes, and she said 400. I laughed and said 200 was okay. She refused and finally we settled on 300. It was great. So, I decided to do some research on this place on ISG, but the search function turned up nothing. Have any of you guys tried this place? If so, I have a few questions. First, do I have to pay for a oil massage to hint that I am up for a HJ? A 60-minute regular massage without oil goes for 268 kuai. Second, is more on offer than just HJ at this place? Any other bros have any other experience? FYI, my gal was number 80. Very sensual massage, young, tight bod, and okay looking, but wouldn't let me touch her. Her english was pretty crappy. But would repeat just for the unrushed sensual massage.[/QUOTE]I've been there. For many, this chain of massage places will not be worth it.

Yes, price of 528 just for massage is accurate. It's a good massage with a few erotic touches. Girls are mostly young, pretty and wear the white tennis outfit, but legs are not bare and have heavy hose. Generally takes 100-200 for HJ, as poster said, but most will allow some roaming of hands. Still 728 is already the low end of sauna so just not enough value. To answer your questions, HJ is about it for that place. The 268 massage is performed by older and more clothed ladies. The chain is called ShaNaNa or SNN. Most customers are Chinese men who also want the chitchat with a young girl, and might want one who appears a bit more innocent than the sauna variety.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2045149]You are referring to the Marriott East, I am referring to the Courtyard which is what Raul is asking about.

BP.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I can't keep them straight, I am not that familiar with the area. It is most convenient to the Marriott East.

[QUOTE=Jayjones325;2045346]Any advice on where to take a girl from Judy's if your hotel room isn't an option? Are there low cost "no-tells" in the vicinity?[/QUOTE]There's plenty of "Love Hotels" around, however most of them (if any) won't accommodate foreigners as their check-in system doesn't support foreign passports. Your best option is to rent a cheap room in a budget hotel like Hanting or the likes beforehand.

[QUOTE=Jayjones325;2045346]Any advice on where to take a girl from Judy's if your hotel room isn't an option? Are there low cost "no-tells" in the vicinity?[/QUOTE]I believe Hanting express is the name for no tells used just for this purpose.

SAM.

And looking for incall. I can't host. Thanks, bros.

Dear brothers,

I visited Shanghai last year and my experience was one of the worst in my lifetime. Please avoid mongering activity in Shanghai. The entire city is full of fraud people. You will see many so called agents on streets distributing cards with girl's photo. They will take you to some club or bar and show few girls for FS. Once you enter in the room within 5 minutes, the bouncers will come, they will beat you and take away all of your money and throw you out of that bar.

There is not use of complaining to the police / LE since they are also indirectly involved in this scam. They get their cut. So strictly avoid any of such activity in China at least in Shanghai.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Chill.

Too bad you didn't read this forum before your trip.

There have been many warnings here about the scams, and exactly where to go to avoid them!

[QUOTE=ChillCool;2045890]Dear brothers,

I visited Shanghai last year and my experience was one of the worst in my lifetime. Please avoid mongering activity in Shanghai. The entire city is full of fraud people. You will see many so called agents on streets distributing cards with girl's photo. They will take you to some club or bar and show few girls for FS. Once you enter in the room within 5 minutes, the bouncers will come, they will beat you and take away all of your money and throw you out of that bar.

There is not use of complaining to the police / LE since they are also indirectly involved in this scam. They get their cut. So strictly avoid any of such activity in China at least in Shanghai.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Chill.[/QUOTE]Correction: Nearly 100% of street hawkers in Shanghai are fraudsters, whether directing to massage or tea house. Nearly all Shanghai escort services, including SNL, permit some degree of bait and switch on girl, age or service. All valid Shanghai problems. However, there's another side to the story. I have found massage parlors and saunas scrupulously honest, and have also found Manhattan and Judy's prices / performance reasonable. So really depends which waters you fish in.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2045998]Too bad you didn't read this forum before your trip.

There have been many warnings here about the scams, and exactly where to go to avoid them![/QUOTE]I too enjoy Shanghai very much and thanks to this forum know better than to do anything on the street. Sheesh!

Your view on the Shanghai scene is as stupid and limited as a guy whom would have a bad lunch and decide the whole city or country serves only bad food.
Its great to share your experience and warn people about scams when they happen, but what's the point of pretending this is the only sort of experience which can be had in this city / country?

I've just came back from an awesome long lasting erotic massage with a pleasant girl with whom I enjoyed chating before things got more spicy.
This is one of many of my experiences over the years and all sorts of other experience can be had in this city from the most soft to the kinkiest ones.
As said by others, it just requires staying away from the tourist areas & touts, just going to the places where the locals go themselves.

Shanghai has the best scene I know of in Asia in terms of choice (others can be much better in terms of price but its also because its illegal in China and the cost of life is raising fast).

[QUOTE=ChillCool;2045890]Dear brothers,

I visited Shanghai last year and my experience was one of the worst in my lifetime. Please avoid mongering activity in Shanghai. The entire city is full of fraud people. You will see many so called agents on streets distributing cards with girl's photo. They will take you to some club or bar and show few girls for FS. Once you enter in the room within 5 minutes, the bouncers will come, they will beat you and take away all of your money and throw you out of that bar.

There is not use of complaining to the police / LE since they are also indirectly involved in this scam. They get their cut. So strictly avoid any of such activity in China at least in Shanghai.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Chill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2046166]Your view on the Shanghai scene is as stupid and limited as a guy whom would have a bad lunch and decide the whole city or country serves only bad food.
Its great to share your experience and warn people about scams when they happen, but what's the point of pretending this is the only sort of experience which can be had in this city / country?

I've just came back from an awesome long lasting erotic massage with a pleasant girl with whom I enjoyed chating before things got more spicy.
This is one of many of my experiences over the years and all sorts of other experience can be had in this city from the most soft to the kinkiest ones.
As said by others, it just requires staying away from the tourist areas & touts, just going to the places where the locals go themselves.

Shanghai has the best scene I know of in Asia in terms of choice (others can be much better in terms of price but its also because its illegal in China and the cost of life is raising fast).[/QUOTE]Agreed, I can not say in Asia, at least shanghai is the best please in China.

Jb.

Following my eventful visit to the local weather bureau last year (see my postings), I have been more careful when venturing outside. With this in mind, some innocent dancing in one of Shanghai's dancing halls (wuting) appealed to me. So after reading some good reports from Arizona123 and ShanghaiNong I finally made the trip to Minhang. Wished I went earlier cause the place turned out to be closed for over half a year according to a local guy who stood on the adjacent parking lot. When I asked about the dance hall (making dancing movement for effect....) he looked somewhat suspicious, but hey.... Decided to briefly check it out myself and walked up the stairs of the dilapidated building and indeed fully closed. My eye caught some fancy posters at the entrance showing people dancing but also a large police poster with a blue uniformed officer and lots of Chinese text which I can not read. But it also contained the following English: "Prostitution strictly forbidden", now I do not know the difference between forbidden and strictly forbidden but it seems LE knew what took place.

Since I still would be interested to experience these dance halls I would like to ask if anyone knows of similar venues in Shanghai or have they all fallen victim to the recent crackdown.

Thanks

Found a good entertaining girl from Vietnam, had a great time and she is a real good companion for activities outside as well.

Her English is fluent and we had a lot of fun doing some sightseeing and dinner.

For more details PM.

Gregory.

Gentlemen, Buom is back in Shanghai. As I type she is getting ready to go to Judy's. Unfortunately I am not there, if you can, enjoy and report.

BP.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2046318]I finally made the trip to Minhang. Wished I went earlier cause the place turned out to be closed for over half a year according to a local guy

Since I still would be interested to experience these dance halls I would like to ask if anyone knows of similar venues in Shanghai or have they all fallen victim to the recent crackdown.[/QUOTE]Forget about Minhang. There was a change in the district gov in January 2016 which got things already complicated, yet another one in September 2016 (roughly as I forget the exact timing) which shut down the whole district to mongering until further notice.

You have to look at Hongkou and Yangpu districts.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2047585]Gentlemen, Buom is back in Shanghai. As I type she is getting ready to go to Judy's. Unfortunately I am not there, if you can, enjoy and report.

BP.[/QUOTE]Can you describe some about her? Or maybe you can pass her contact info via PM? Thanks.

Hi buddies,

Sorry to bother and yes I did RTFF. There are some news regarding issues / risks / scams recently in Pudong area. Quick question: anyone can give me a save massage place (with extras) and / or escort services for the hotel. Furthermore I read that for a nice evening and pick-up, Judies is the place to be.

Thanks a lot for your quick answers. I am a newbie to China, therefore, a bit more careful. Hope, you understand.

Raul.

[QUOTE=SexInCity;2047621]Can you describe some about her? Or maybe you can pass her contact info via PM? Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are many reports with her description. Long hair, dark red top low cut.

BP.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2047611]Forget about Minhang. There was a change in the district gov in January 2016 which got things already complicated, yet another one in September 2016 (roughly as I forget the exact timing) which shut down the whole district to mongering until further notice.

You have to look at Hongkou and Yangpu districts.[/QUOTE]The Minghan situation has been reported in general but I was under the impression that the veggie dancehalls would not be affected, guess I was wrong. Do you have any further info on Hongkou and Yangpu dancehalls and what about Pudong which was mentioned last year (unfortunately without naming the address)?

Any other member has additional info? Thanks!

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2047657]There are many reports with her description. Long hair, dark red top low cut.

BP.[/QUOTE]And a nice natural rack! In her 30's. I have pics but not sharing at this time. I was actually thinking about her today. Thuy reached out to me, one of my other spinners. Sorry babe, I am not in shanghai now.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2047790]And a nice natural rack! In her 30's. I have pics but not sharing at this time. I was actually thinking about her today. Thuy reached out to me, one of my other spinners. Sorry babe, I am not in shanghai now.[/QUOTE]Sam you and I must be on Buom's "fav five" list. She contacted me too. Oh such memories!

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2047830]Sam you and I must be on Buom's "fav five" list. She contacted me too. Oh such memories![/QUOTE]What I like to know who is the guy about to marry her and take her to the USA. There is also a French guy in the competition, but the American is the favorite to win, so to speak. My sources tell me that it will happen in about three months.

It reminds me of Eddy Murphy "Raw" and Unfufu.

BP.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2048015]What I like to know who is the guy about to marry her and take her to the USA. There is also a French guy in the competition, but the American is the favorite to win, so to speak. My sources tell me that it will happen in about three months.

It reminds me of Eddy Murphy "Raw" and Unfufu.

BP.[/QUOTE]I guess who gets to meet her family first is the clue to who gets Buom. LOL.

P.S. She's sending me the place I need to visit in Vietnam when I go visit her back home.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2048015]What I like to know who is the guy about to marry her and take her to the USA. There is also a French guy in the competition, but the American is the favorite to win, so to speak. My sources tell me that it will happen in about three months.

It reminds me of Eddy Murphy "Raw" and Unfufu.

BP.[/QUOTE]I'm in the USA but I prefer to rent her than own her (or be owned). Someone however will be one happy guy. I think she is really a happy person and would make a good partner (ho aside).

Besides Red House which many reports have flagged. Are there any other recommended Saunas that are open? Used SNG as a reference point and most of the popular ones they have (Bodi, Si Yun, Saracosa) are closed. Thank you everyone in advance.

Hi buddies,

Sorry to bother and yes I did RTFF. There are some news regarding issues / risks / scams recently in Pudong area. Quick question: anyone can give me a save massage place (with extras) and / or escort services for the hotel. Furthermore I read that for a nice evening and pick-up, Judies is the place to be.

Thanks a lot for your quick answers. I am a newbie to China, therefore, a bit more careful. Hope, you understand.

Raul.

My flight was delayed by 4 hours and I was annoyed, so I decided to get a massage at the spa at the airport to relax. I picked a basic massage from the menu (but it was not cheap), but when I was in the room with the provider she tried to talk me into an upgrade for 200 kaui more and I said no, but then she offered the upgrade for 100 more. So, even the massage price is negotiable! Anyway, the massage is one of the worst I ever had, but to my surprise I was offered a HJ after the flip. I asked how much. She said how much you willing to pay? I said 100 and she laughed. So I said 200 and she agreed. Guess what? The HJ sucked too. Oh well. But discovering that HJs are available at the airport was something that I thought I'd report. I'm sure I'm not the first to discover it and report it. So consider this just an update😊.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2047611]Forget about Minhang. There was a change in the district gov in January 2016 which got things already complicated, yet another one in September 2016 (roughly as I forget the exact timing) which shut down the whole district to mongering until further notice.

You have to look at Hongkou and Yangpu districts.[/QUOTE]Regarding Yangpu District, what would you suggest for a daytime monger like me with no Mandarin skills?

We hear a lot about the situation in Minghan etc, but what about Pudong? Earlier this week I decided to take a very long walk along various places, here is my update:

I started my walk from Kerry center at Huamu / Fangtian Lu, then walked through Meihua Lu where half of the SPAs were closed. Then onwards to nearby Yinghua Lu, where all the previously well stocked BBS (6-7 shops) were completely shut down. Some time ago they first covered their windows with non-transparent glass but you could still look through a small opening though. Now all shops are locked, curtains down and the neighboring shops have invaded the front door spaces (selling stuff there etc, so you can not enter anymore). All doors are covered with these official black / white banners which I can not read. Apart from the obvious BBS they have even closed the only legit looking SPA, seems they offered some extras too. Next I walked over to Dujuan Lu: the three BBS were alll closed, same as on Yinghua. Now I remember during previous shut downs they only shut down either Yinghua or Dujuan but never both together. Sad to see Yinghua / Dujuan closed, it used to be such a lively BBS street, even if only for ogling at the many (often slutty) girls. Will they ever return?

Proceeded to Lancun road (opposite Double Tree Hotel). Here some SPAs were open and I saw a few hotties but I walked on to continue my 'social research'. I also suspect these girls would ask for high tips given the nearby 5 star hotel with many foreign visitors. My overall impression was that Lancun was not as busy as before but at least open. I did not check out the girlie bars though.

Next I walked through Tangqiao Lu were there was some massage place with many girls inside next to some wet market stalls. Crossing Pudong South Road turning into the small Ningyang Road where a small BBS was open but did not look very attractive. I proceeded to Eshan Lu where the (well stocked) BBS shops behind the trees had completely disappeared. There were a few small SPAs in the street further towards Dongfang Lu but that was it. Again a street under lock down or gentrified. From there onwards to Laoshan Lu, a street normally full of luxurious looking SPAs (6-7 shops) with many technicians. Here at least most places were open but not so many providers in each shop, but at least open. Then finally walking along Weifang Lu where most places were closed too.

SO, after having walked for 3,5 hours doing my social research, covering quite some action areas, I can conclude that this part of Pudong is facing some severe and prolonged crackdown too. Before there were occacional lock downs during VIP events in the city ect, but there is none now as far as I know. So there must be another reason.

Conclusion : If you want to have multiple options, go to Laoshan and Lancun Lu.

The next few days I need to rest my feet, they hurt !

Stay safe bros!

Any "places of interest" interest close to the bund?

I'm staying at the Astor and wechat is pretty handy for an encounter.

Looking for MP or FS places to relax over the weekend.

Hi,

I RTFF but no clue if you can get any extra services at 5 star hotels. I need to pick where to stay for a night. Maybe you can suggest one and don't have to go out for a body slide or tongue bath.

Any good saunas near 5 star hotels?

Thank you for your help. I will report later.

Arizona123 : please check your mail! Thanks!

Can someone send me / point me to the details of MPs which offer other services like BJ etc. I know only about spring massage any other place like them in town?

Long time ago- 5 years about. I met a real serendipity!! We had for many month the most entertaining and joyful time.

Then all of a sudden she disappeared.

Yesterday at a dinner I got a wechat from her as if nothing had happened.

"I'm in Shanghai, where are you".

In no time finished dinner and had her come to my hotel. As if it was yesterday, we had the greatest time.

Sometimes miracles happen, haha.

Funny world.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=IAmThe1;2052626]Can someone send me / point me to the details of MPs which offer other services like BJ etc. I know only about spring massage any other place like them in town?[/QUOTE]Then why not doing a field report about your experience at Spring Massage?

Michelle at Spring Massage is cute and tolerates DATY. My other faves are still active in Shanghai. PM for details.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2052785]Then why not doing a field report about your experience at Spring Massage?[/QUOTE]Wanping Lu spring massage. Tried few times. Very consistent exp. Front door manager takes to the room and gets the girl, you can request for a change if you don't like the girl. Once you finalise then girl will hand over towels and ask you to take bath. Rooms come with attached bath. Post which you are on massage table. First 20 min massage, back massage, inner thigh massage, play with balls and ass. Then girl goes out for couple of minutes to bring water, hot an cold and few towels. Girl then cleans your back with hot wet towels. Now the fun starts, girl gets nude (completely nude) and give a B2B massage, hot'and'cold toungue. Followed by HJ. Got two times on getting BJ / CIM. Roaming is allowed. Tried girls no. 70/77/85. Best experience with number 70. Total damage 398 for 70 min.

[QUOTE=Eliok;2049684]Hi,

I RTFF but no clue if you can get any extra services at 5 star hotels. I need to pick where to stay for a night. Maybe you can suggest one and don't have to go out for a body slide or tongue bath.

Any good saunas near 5 star hotels?

Thank you for your help. I will report later.[/QUOTE]Pretty much all of your posts are asking for advice or suggestions, but you don't share any of your experiences with us.

She allowed me to put her name up here.

More details, please PM!

All her old guys were already asking over my last blog. Who is she. Haha.

Most guessed right.

She had her reason why she disappeared so long.

Gregory.

Does anyone know of any nice MPs (he is good) in lujiazui? Preferably within jogging distance around Jinmao?

I saw a few on my last run, but I don't know if they provide any extras. I'll update as I go through them.

Dear NRock,

Many years I didn't write anything here. But your post can't keep me quiet. What I am writing represents the opinion of all my friends to whom I showed it.

I live in Shanghai since 9 years. I have a good reputation with the girls in Judy's and Manhattan as I always treated the ladies nicely and there was not one in all these years that would not like to go with me again.

The price has always been at 1000 RMB for LT till the locals got rich and discovered this hunting ground. With all respect: I hear from many girls that a Chinese has to pay much more, rather double than a long-nose; and they do. This in combination with the money focus of Vietnamese started a price spiral. I still today never pay more than 1000+100 for taxi and the girls are very sweet with me and never want to leave (if a girl would want to leave at 8 am I would not take her again, during the week they normally leave at noon time). But: more and more I hear the words "you know I could make 2000, I only accept the 1000 because I like you". When I give them the money in morning I nowadays feel bad.

You think that you are the hero who treats the girls well. The truth is that you destroy the market and that you make the girls greedy for money. Most of them already had a regular customer before they arrive in the bar. Did you ever calculate how much they would make if everyone would pay as you do? In 1 night they would make the double of a normal office salary in their home country!

I spend most of my weekends in Manila where I own a condo. For the 3000 RMB you paid I easily pay the 2-way-flight, 3 nights with a super hot girl, plus all expenses!

For me and my friends who live here and who in the past took at least 1 girl a week this is getting far too expensive if this price level is going to be established.

This is getting out of control. Of course the girls like to play the money game. But don't think that you get anything more or better than anyone who pays less. It is all about the chemistry you mentioned; paying double or triple doesn't mean she likes you more.

Pity that guys like you are around. I will never forget the good times.

[QUOTE=NRock;2039607]Had a brief 18-hour layover in Shanghai so planned accordingly. .....[/QUOTE]

Its all about fairness and and a respectful, polite attitude. Of course little English knowledge for "wai guo ren" often is a roadblock, but still body language talks as well.

I can only highly underline Shamuc.

Grgory.

[QUOTE=Shamuc;2055550]Dear NRock,

Many years I didn't write anything here. But your post can't keep me quiet. What I am writing represents the opinion of all my friends to whom I showed it.

I live in Shanghai since 9 years. I have a good reputation with the girls in Judy's and Manhattan as I always treated the ladies nicely and there was not one in all these years that would not like to go with me again.

The price has always been at 1000 RMB for LT till the locals got rich and discovered this hunting ground. With all respect: I hear from many girls that a Chinese has to pay much more, rather double than a long-nose; and they do. This in combination with the money focus of Vietnamese started a price spiral. I still today never pay more than 1000+100 for taxi and the girls are very sweet with me and never want to leave (if a girl would want to leave at 8 am I would not take her again, during the week they normally leave at noon time). But: more and more I hear the words "you know I could make 2000, I only accept the 1000 because I like you". When I give them the money in morning I nowadays feel bad.

You think that you are the hero who treats the girls well. The truth is that you destroy the market and that you make the girls greedy for money. Most of them already had a regular customer before they arrive in the bar. Did you ever calculate how much they would make if everyone would pay as you do? In 1 night they would make the double of a normal office salary in their home country!.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shamuc;2055550]Dear NRock,

Many years I didn't write anything here. But your post can't keep me quiet. What I am writing represents the opinion of all my friends to whom I showed it.

I live in Shanghai since 9 years. I have a good reputation with the girls in Judy's and Manhattan as I always treated the ladies nicely and there was not one in all these years that would not like to go with me again.

The price has always been at 1000 RMB for LT till the locals got rich and discovered this hunting ground. With all respect: I hear from many girls that a Chinese has to pay much more, rather double than a long-nose; and they do. This in combination with the money focus of Vietnamese started a price spiral. I still today never pay more than 1000+100 for taxi and the girls are very sweet with me and never want to leave (if a girl would want to leave at 8 am I would not take her again, during the week they normally leave at noon time). But: more and more I hear the words "you know I could make 2000, I only accept the 1000 because I like you". When I give them the money in morning I nowadays feel bad.

You think that you are the hero who treats the girls well. The truth is that you destroy the market and that you make the girls greedy for money..[/QUOTE]Sorry the market has gotten out of hand and any contribution I may have had towards that. However, I think this is probably more a function of the macro economic environment as a 'rising tide lifts all boats' across wealth in Asia. Money is also very relative- so if someone is wealthy enough that they regularly spend 10 k RMB on bottles of liquor at a club, why would they then care about 1-2 k price difference at Manhattan? The girls should (and now can) try to make as much money as possible in their short careers. But an equilibrium should be established and people who are priced out will move towards cheaper cities / countries. This happens in all sectors like Shanghai real estate, etc. So who / what are we really blaming?

[QUOTE=IAmThe1;2053000]Wanping Lu spring massage. Tried few times. Very consistent exp. Front door manager takes to the room and gets the girl, you can request for a change if you don't like the girl. Once you finalise then girl will hand over towels and ask you to take bath. Rooms come with attached bath. Post which you are on massage table. First 20 min massage, back massage, inner thigh massage, play with balls and ass. Then girl goes out for couple of minutes to bring water, hot an cold and few towels. Girl then cleans your back with hot wet towels. Now the fun starts, girl gets nude (completely nude) and give a B2B massage, hot'and'cold toungue. Followed by HJ. Got two times on getting BJ / CIM. Roaming is allowed. Tried girls no. 70/77/85. Best experience with number 70. Total damage 398 for 70 min.[/QUOTE]Do they have English menu? Is it on Wanping South Road? If I cannot speak Chinese will it be a problem?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2055939]Do they have English menu? Is it on Wanping South Road? If I cannot speak Chinese will it be a problem?[/QUOTE]Sign language works everywhere. At reception say oil massage. Once in room tell them 398 rmb package. There are 2 choices 298 which is he with no roaming. 398 he (BJ if you are lucky) and girl will be full nude. Yes it's on Wanping south road. PM me for more detail.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2055939]Do they have English menu? Is it on Wanping South Road? If I cannot speak Chinese will it be a problem?[/QUOTE]Check SNL for addresses.

I believe all Spring shops have the same menu- two options to choose from. 298 RMB is basic he. 398 RMB is XT and sometimes KJ. Just remember the Chinese for those two numbers, or write it down. That's all you need.

[QUOTE=Shamuc;2055550]Dear NRock,

I live in Shanghai since 9 years. I have a good reputation with the girls in Judy's and Manhattan as I always treated the ladies nicely and there was not one in all these years that would not like to go with me again.

The price has always been at 1000 RMB for LT till the locals got rich and discovered this hunting ground.

The truth is that you destroy the market and that you make the girls greedy for money. [/QUOTE]I think you are being quite delusional there. Why should mongering prices remain the same as 9 years ago when real estate prices have been x5, rents by x2 to x3 times what they were, food x2, etc.

You made some girl you met in Manhattan your long time GF and have been hanging there for a long time, it gives you an edge compared to the guy who just goes there from time to time.

But as much as he overpaid with his 3 k you are below the market with your 1 k and most transactions happen in between.

I often go to the same MPs and girls usually give me a level of service better than the average joe because they know I'm an old timer and the shop manager reminds the new ones when I try them.

Being a repeat customer does get you favors but don't consider that the normal market.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2056088]I think you are being quite delusional there. Why should mongering prices remain the same as 9 years ago when real estate prices have been x5, rents by x2 to x3 times what they were, food x2, etc.

.[/QUOTE]


The prices have gone up some but not 3000 as the OP paid. they have not gone up that much. I was there in March of this year. I did not know any of the girls I took home. Each happily accepted 1000 for ST and 2 pops. (some didn't and I moved on). One girl I did a repeat performance with on a Sunday night (which is slow) for 1000 for all night. Yes I had her once before but won't say we are steady.

1000 all night is gone I agree. 600-800 is possible with a 6 ST . The 7-8 girls get 1000 ST and 9's (I've never seen a 10 that I can remember) want 1500ST (usually say no at 2 pops for that) and 2000-3000 LT.

I agree the prices are up from over 8-9 years ago. Heck even the legit MPs have doubled from what i used to pay

prices on the viets are up less as there is a never ending pool of girls trying to make their fortune. there has been inflation however.

It can be done, you just have to be willing to walk on to the next one. Buom was a great time and only 1000 for a couple hours. I have no idea what LT would have been but I would have gladly paid it.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2056088]I think you are being quite delusional there. Why should mongering prices remain the same as 9 years ago when real estate prices have been x5, rents by x2 to x3 times what they were, food x2, etc.[/QUOTE]This is everything.

We had a follow-up discussion where I acknowledged 3 k was high but given quality of girl and Saturday night at 11 pm peak, did not seem "crazy" for LT. Hard to imagine how 1 k is possible anymore in a city like Shanghai considering the cost of living there.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2056222]The prices have gone up some but not 3000 as the OP paid. they have not gone up that much. I was there in March of this year. I did not know any of the girls I took home. Each happily accepted 1000 for ST and 2 pops. (some didn't and I moved on). One girl I did a repeat performance with on a Sunday night (which is slow) for 1000 for all night. Yes I had her once before but won't say we are steady.[/QUOTE]Yep that's why I was saying the market is most likely in between both prices:

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2056088]
But as much as he overpaid with his 3k you are below the market with your 1k and most transactions happen in between.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2056509]Yep that's why I was saying the market is most likely in between both prices:[/QUOTE]I also think prices depend on the day of the week and what time your hunting. Never ever agree on a price with the first person that comes up and talks to you. Be picky and you'll be amazed at the quality / cost that you can find.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2056536]I also think prices depend on the day of the week and what time your hunting. Never ever agree on a price with the first person that comes up and talks to you. Be picky and you'll be amazed at the quality / cost that you can find.[/QUOTE]I agree. I let one hook onto me my first night in shanghai. She was definitley a 5. Her body was decent, but the face was a 5 for sure. She was a little desperate as she "wasnt Lucky in shanghai" . It was because she was a 5!. Anyway, the longer she sat next to me the better she looked. I finally took her back to the room for 1000 all night (just this last March).

She wasn't the best looker but sure made up for it. Popped me 3 times and was willing to do 4. I was not up for it. Also licked me well and did everything else I wanted. Although very compliant, I wish I had chosen a higher quality girl. Which I did every night after.

I have a 22 hour layover in Shanghai in a couple weeks. Can anyone suggest where to stay for some fun that day? Is somewhere near the airport good, or should I look farther out? I don't speak any Chinese (only Korean) so getting around and communicating is going to be difficult, so that's a consideration for me. If there is already a resource for this, please let me know. I've been poking around but can't seem to find anything.

[QUOTE=SlickWillie;2056689]I have a 22 hour layover in Shanghai in a couple weeks. Can anyone suggest where to stay for some fun that day? Is somewhere near the airport good, or should I look farther out? I don't speak any Chinese (only Korean) so getting around and communicating is going to be difficult, so that's a consideration for me. If there is already a resource for this, please let me know. I've been poking around but can't seem to find anything.[/QUOTE]Cab to old side of shanghai (puxi) hotel at the Ritz Carlton. Walk out the door in the back and go to Manhattans and JUdy's bars which are the street behind the hotel. Drink at the bar, flirt with the girls, Pick one (or two). Walk back to the hotel room finish the evening there. Quick nap and and take a cap (worse case an hour) back to the airport. You do have to watch traffic to the get the one hour time.

That is what I would do. Other option is grab a hotel and call Rain or SNG and have something delivered.

Saunas are an option but pudong, (airport side) is kinda bleak.

22 hours is enough time to have a lot of fun. I have arrived in shanghai by 2, in my hotel by 4, massage and dinner by 6. Nap and off to the bars at 10 pm (don't go earlier, they aren; t there yet) girl to room by midnight, Toss her out by 2 or 3 and nap til 7-8 am.

Thats about 16 hours with time to get to the gate!

[QUOTE=SamCan;2056659]I agree. I let one hook onto me my first night in shanghai. She was definitley a 5. Her body was decent, but the face was a 5 for sure. She was a little desperate as she "wasnt Lucky in shanghai" . It was because she was a 5!. Anyway, the longer she sat next to me the better she looked. I finally took her back to the room for 1000 all night (just this last March).

She wasn't the best looker but sure made up for it. Popped me 3 times and was willing to do 4. I was not up for it. Also licked me well and did everything else I wanted. Although very compliant, I wish I had chosen a higher quality girl. Which I did every night after.[/QUOTE]I have been in Shanghai almost monthly since January and can assure you all that on almost every eve, I have been very happy with either a Judy's or Manhattan hottie for in-between 1 - 1. 2 k. The time also varies. For instance, if you go prime-time expect prime-time prices but go early like 9 pm-11 pm or go late (or early in the AM) like 2 am-4 am and there are definite hottie bargains in this range. I will be there 14 and 15 of July and then 21 of July. Want to grab a drink let me know.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2057103]Cab to old side of shanghai (puxi) hotel at the Ritz Carlton. Walk out the door in the back and go to Manhattans and JUdy's bars which are the street behind the hotel. Drink at the bar, flirt with the girls, Pick one (or two). Walk back to the hotel room finish the evening there. Quick nap and and take a cap (worse case an hour) back to the airport. You do have to watch traffic to the get the one hour time.

That is what I would do. Other option is grab a hotel and call Rain or SNG and have something delivered.

Saunas are an option but pudong, (airport side) is kinda bleak.

22 hours is enough time to have a lot of fun. I have arrived in shanghai by 2, in my hotel by 4, massage and dinner by 6. Nap and off to the bars at 10 pm (don't go earlier, they aren; t there yet) girl to room by midnight, Toss her out by 2 or 3 and nap til 7-8 am.

Thats about 16 hours with time to get to the gate![/QUOTE]I would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed someone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2057232]I would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed somone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.[/QUOTE]Wow, take that one off the list!

[QUOTE=Charly2144;2036841]Hi bros,

I was in Shanghai last month. After a RTFF session (thanks for yours answers to my numerous questions), I finally decided to explore 2 places:

- 851 shaanxi bei lu: very easy to find. The place is not very clean but still OK. I asked for and 18. She was available. The girl is OK, blond hair (yes), 6/10 body, funny girl. Not really a massage as the girl goes quite quickly to the point. Very nice session indeed. Damage: 280 RMB for 45 mn! I went back the day after. Could have been much further if I had enough money with me. Next time.

- #76 Changshou Rd, 4th floor: also easy to find. Ask for and3. Really a beautiful girl. What a nice session. I will not go into details but believe me, you re going to have a great time! Damage: 250 RMB for 1 hour. Yes!

These 2 places are great for foreigners. I don't speak a word of Chinese but it was not necessary.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Hey,

Just curious, so these places are FS? Go in and straight to business? Or?

Thanks!

Hi all,

I went through pages of the forum, but still couldn't figure SNG website?

Anyone kind enough to PM me the info?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2057105]I have been in Shanghai almost monthly since January and can assure you all that on almost every eve, I have been very happy with either a Judy's or Manhattan hottie for in-between 1 - 1. 2 k. The time also varies. For instance, if you go prime-time expect prime-time prices but go early like 9 pm-11 pm or go late (or early in the AM) like 2 am-4 am and there are definite hottie bargains in this range. I will be there 14 and 15 of July and then 21 of July. Want to grab a drink let me know.[/QUOTE]I will be there the 21st of July, I'd love to hang with you. I'm not sure how to contact you though. I tried to subscribe to get access to PMs but the site won't take my card and they don't accept more friendly options like bitcoin and my email to support has gone unanswered sadly.

SamCan: Thanks for the info, it is very helpful!

Living in Shanghai many years but long time not mongering. I don't even know any address now. My cute Chinese wife would like some 2 men experience, but difficult to know where to look for it. Any idea where to search? Any private place like that?

I checked out 2 shops along Dong Chang Rd. The shop with the Japanese signing turned out to be legitimate. 8/10 massage though.

There's a small shop on the third floor that offers a 258 RMB all body oil massage. 5 girls, all of them middle aged, the best looking one was about 6/10. An unenthusiastic massage for about 40 minutes, then a flip, and the massage on the "front." They don't allow you to take of the blue massage pants, so the handy occurs under the pants.

The service at Spring Massage is a lot better.

[QUOTE=SixtyCent;2057615]Living in Shanghai many years but long time not mongering. I don't even know any address now. My cute Chinese wife would like some 2 men experience, but difficult to know where to look for it. Any idea where to search? Any private place like that?[/QUOTE]Mate, did not know you still there.

What you are looking for (again LOL, you remember?) is now mainly on wechat groups and private clubs but as it is hide and seek venues and groups change frequently so I have no current access credentials. If I find out will pm you, eager to find out which of your beauties you finally married and what happened to our joint friends from you know where.

LOL.

FA.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;2058071]Mate, did not know you still there.

What you are looking for (again LOL, you remember?) is now mainly on wechat groups and private clubs but as it is hide and seek venues and groups change frequently so I have no current access credentials. If I find out will pm you, eager to find out which of your beauties you finally married and what happened to our joint friends from you know where.

LOL.

FA.[/QUOTE]Happy to see you my friend. Lets chat thru pm.

[QUOTE=SixtyCent;2058075]Happy to see you my friend. Lets chat thru pm.[/QUOTE]Sure, if you clean up your inbox.

[QUOTE=SlickWillie;2057547]I will be there the 21st of July, I'd love to hang with you. I'm not sure how to contact you though. I tried to subscribe to get access to PMs but the site won't take my card and they don't accept more friendly options like bitcoin and my email to support has gone unanswered sadly.

SamCan: Thanks for the info, it is very helpful![/QUOTE]I'll be there on the 21st, too. Through the 26th, if you guys want to do a little fellow mongering.

ASUdevil1.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2059183]I'll be there on the 21st, too. Through the 26th, if you guys want to do a little fellow mongering.

ASUdevil1.[/QUOTE]I sent you a PM ASU. As far as slick willie, he doesn't have PM. Thoughts?

Doe anyone know if this Sauna is still open? I was there a few years back and loved it. It is in the Shanghai Hotel just behind the Hilton.

There was also a massage parlor right off the lobby that looked like P4 P, but I did not have time to investigate. I am thinking of spending a weekend in Shanghai, and would stay at the Shanghai Hotel (rather than the Hilton where I have always stayed in the past) if their services are still available.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2059635]I sent you a PM ASU. As far as slick willie, he doesn't have PM. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I can't purchase a membership, it keeps rejecting my card. I'm not sure what to do. I tried purchasing one of those gift cards at a 7-11, but it was rejected.

If anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;2059635]I sent you a PM ASU. As far as slick willie, he doesn't have PM. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Well, only thing I can say for Slick Willie is to pay the nominal funds to have VIP access to this board. It's well worth it!

Went to Judy's, picked up a gal that was a 9. Perfect body, no kids and Vietnamese, said she had a husband at home that knew what she did. 1000 short term and she was enthusiastic until I started to talk dirty to her. She didn't like it and became a cold fish. I guess I shouldn't have said that I wanted to fuck her in front of her husband went a little too far.

After she left, I went to The Spot, hung out there and picked up a Filli gal that is a waitress. She wouldn't fuck, but she loved to kiss and snuggle for the night. I gave her a t-shirt to sleep in and it was like having a girlfriend.

In the morning I offered her taxi money and she told me that she wouldn't take it, that next time she wanted it to feel like we were dating. Cute thing, 40 years old, two kids back home. Very classy gal really, just lonely I think.

On my second time through Shanghai I went to the Spring Spa off of Maoming Road, got Coco, a tall thin gal, said she was 26 and I believe it.

Decent massage, he and topless for a 200 rmb tip. Right down the street there is a White Castle that is supposed to open up this month, will have to try it when I get back.

I went to see my Filli waitress at The Spot that night, and while she flirted with me, she wouldn't go home with me at closing time. Told me it was Saturday night, and Sunday she has to go to Mass. Man, I didn't think that through very good.

Went back to the hotel alone, and a street hustler was out front asking if I wanted a massage. I told him sure, but I wanted him to facetime with her so I could see what she looked like.

Mid thirties MILF, slender and big fake tits. Wanted 1000 rmb for short time. Told him it was 3:30 am, that I would give her 600 if she could be here in 10 minutes, and if he tried to bait and switch me that I wouldn't let her into the room.

Literally 10 minutes later she was there, looking as good as in her facetime chat. Not one word of English, but that was fine, she knew the universal language. A quick shower for us both and to the bed we went. She wouldn't kiss, but she did lick my ass for 10 minutes.

She then pulled the old "No condom" thinking she would get out of fucking me I guess. The hotel had mini bar condoms and I ripped them open and she climbed on in a matter of minutes I was done. Too many long days and even though she had only been there about 25 minutes I paid her the money and asked her to go. Hell, the sun was coming up as she was leaving. Time for sleep.

On my second time through Shanghai I went to the Spring Spa off of Maoming Road, got Coco, a tall thin gal, said she was 26 and I believe it.

Decent massage, he and topless for a 200 rmb tip. Right down the street there is a White Castle that is supposed to open up this month, will have to try it when I get back.

I went to see my Filli waitress at The Spot that night, and while she flirted with me, she wouldn't go home with me at closing time. Told me it was Saturday night, and Sunday she has to go to Mass. Man, I didn't think that through very good.

Went back to the hotel alone, and a street hustler was out front asking if I wanted a massage. I told him sure, but I wanted him to facetime with her so I could see what she looked like.

Mid thirties MILF, slender and big fake tits. Wanted 1000 rmb for short time. Told him it was 3:30 am, that I would give her 600 if she could be here in 10 minutes, and if he tried to bait and switch me that I wouldn't let her into the room.

Literally 10 minutes later she was there, looking as good as in her facetime chat. Not one word of English, but that was fine, she knew the universal language. A quick shower for us both and to the bed we went. She wouldn't kiss, but she did lick my ass for 10 minutes.

She then pulled the old "No condom" thinking she would get out of fucking me I guess. The hotel had mini bar condoms and I ripped them open and she climbed on in a matter of minutes I was done. Too many long days and even though she had only been there about 25 minutes I paid her the money and asked her to go. Hell, the sun was coming up as she was leaving. Time for sleep.

[QUOTE=MassageAddict;2060429]After she left, I went to The Spot, hung out there and picked up a Filli gal that is a waitress.[/QUOTE]Is The Spot a known pick-up place or was that just opportunistic? Wondering because I'd be interested in branch out opportunities outside of Judy's & Manhattan.

[QUOTE=MassageAddict;2060429]Went to Judy's, picked up a gal that was a 9. Perfect body, no kids and Vietnamese, said she had a husband at home that knew what she did. 1000 short term and she was enthusiastic until I started to talk dirty to her. She didn't like it and became a cold fish. I guess I shouldn't have said that I wanted to fuck her in front of her husband went a little too far.

After she left, I went to The Spot, hung out there and picked up a Filli gal that is a waitress. She wouldn't fuck, but she loved to kiss and snuggle for the night. I gave her a t-shirt to sleep in and it was like having a girlfriend.

In the morning I offered her taxi money and she told me that she wouldn't take it, that next time she wanted it to feel like we were dating. Cute thing, 40 years old, two kids back home. Very classy gal really, just lonely I think.[/QUOTE]Nice report.

It's been awhile since I'v been to Shanghai to nice to hear that prices at Judys/Mahattan are pretty stable and have not gone up too much. Is ST still 2 hrs with the girl more or less?

Hello all, just back from a month in Shanghai and Monterey all over. Will go through each of the places I went.

I will say first tho that I got suckered in the area around Fuzhou road into following a woman on the street into an upstairs place. Offered Sex with a reasonable lineup for 500 rmb total but after the deed was done a guy came in to heavy on me for cash. Was asking 18000 rmb (and eventually argued him down to 5000 rmb. Yes it is a stupid amount and I got extorted, but This being China I felt my life was worth more than the money I'd be able to make back. Whilst I thought about just running off, again I felt that if he was happy to accept such an amount he'd be less likely to have people come after me.

Feel free to tell me how stupid I am. Trust me, I'm well aware. An expensive lesson. The other experiences I can say were far mor positive.

Saunas.

#1 Red House Club Sauna - 333 Zhaojiabang Rd, metro. Jiashan Rd, exit 5. In the building with China Merchant Bank on B1. There is a contact with a "Jimmy" who says he can speak English but mostly communicates via Wechat translate. Either way you are able to get an 100 rmb discount if you go through him.

Essentially enter, change into those strange pyjama things. I believe there is possibility for you to lounge in couches in separate rooms up but I was taken to a side room and waited a while before taken to the line up.

This was Friday night so quite extensive, maybe 20-30 girls.

Cheapest girls started at 1098/998 RMB and go up by 500 to 2998 RMB. The higher prices above 2000 include some white girls.

Below 2 k the service is generally nuru massage, BBBJ / sex and multiple pops in 80 minutes. Above 2 k is shorter at around 70 minutes, no nuru, 2 pop limit.

When I went, only 1398 RMB girls and above available. Service reasaonable but I believe there to be better as described below.

#2 ?Ba Li Ya sauna (name is mentioned a few pages back).

Location is same metro as Red House, but when you come out of exit 5, continue down the street. You will see a small side alley. Go down it and around to the right. You will walk through a small undercover area and through a car park with the entrance on the Right. If you see guys with ear pieces you're going int the right direction.

I went here twice. Both times was Friday afternoon and price was 980 RMB. Pay at the end.

Go in, change into your pyjama things (your belongings to a locker). You will then have to shower (different to Red House where the girl will shower you so no shower first). After cleaning up, you will be shown to one of the rooms with lounges with usually some other guys. This place allows you to bring your phone (as did Red House) but some of the others below don't.

In the lounge you can get some drinks etc.

After a while they will come and collect you.

Wil be shown a line up, smaller, maybe 15 girls or so. Take your pick, price doesn't seem to vary. Appears that the age of the girl will be listed on her tag.

She will take you to a room. Someone else has mentioned you get to pick her outfit, first time the girl just picked a sailor type get up, second time no outfit.

First time, started with some sexy dancing then BBBJ for an extended period of time in multiple positions. Also included was cat bath, sucking of fingers and anal rimming. Eventually she pulled me into 69 with CIM while my tongue was on her snatch.

After some relaxing was back to sucking again but I had wasted too much time for the first pop and we ran out of time much to my frustration.

Timing seemed to be about 60-70 minutes.

You are then directed back to the area where the drinks bar seems to be. I left, but I believe you can return to the lounges and I guess pick again if you so desire. Otherwise shower again on the way out.

Second time, similar to above, BBBJ then 69 with CIM for first pop. The cat bath etc was after this. Then relaxed before reviving me with her mouth and second pop with sex.

Both time, girls were quite attractive. Different horses for courses, if you want shorter girls, long hair, short hair, smaller boobs, bigger boobs etc. As always, I tend to try to pick the ones giving me the look. Also you will be generally picking with other guys so if you are too slow you may miss out on your preferred girl.

Overall would highly recommend for the service provided.

#3 - 976 Lu Jia Bang Rd, metro LuJiaBang Rd, exit 6. Walk to of the station. It is 'level 2' of the building. Go inside up a fairly dark staircase and at the top go to the left.

I found this place as I was looking for Dongguan Sauna on SNG and this was mentioned instead. Had some difficulty in the beginning as my Mandarin is poor until the contact named 'Jack' appeared and he understood. At the time they were having 'special price' of 900 RMB for all girls.

Looking at SNG, looks like the levels in prices now are similar to Red House.

Process is similar, changing etc without shower then on to picking girl. Picked a girl with quite sizeable tits but body wasn't that firm. Also no phones in the room.

Service similar to Red House, with nuru / body slide and BBBJ / FS. Went for 2 pops.

Overall reasonable, but if the prices are now similar to Red House I think it'd be better to go there if that's what you're after. Lineup wasn't that great comparatively.

#4 Siping Rd Rd. Also mentioned previously. Not sure of the exact address, but metro is Siping Rd. You can come out exit 4 then turn are back into Siping Rd in the direction towards the city. Walk for a while and you'll see a building with black glass at the front. The doors will open and you'll find yourself at the front desk.

This place is similar to #2 above in terms of the process. Change to PJs, shower self, etc then get shown to your lounge room. Now I visited on a Monday evening and had to wait about an hour! The difference also is that they will come in and call your number when ready, which you have to have keen ears for or make sure they collect you if you don't understand Chinese. Your phones are returned to your locker when you go to pick.

Line up here is ok, perhaps not as good as #2 above and a bit older. At the time only about 10 girls.

Picked a pretty girl who's body was ok only.

However service was top notch, similarly time is about 60-70 minutes. Two pops with both being sex. Unsure if you can get CIM. However in between pops, cat bath, finger sucking, anal rimming, and even big toes (covered with condom) in vagina. New experience.

Total damage - 600 RMB!

Definitely worth a visit for the price. Girls are reasonably attractive and the price is good. Downside is the waiting time (which I suspect is probably a lot worse in the evening) and the location which is further out from downtown Shanghai.

#5 Massage with extras.

Two of these places were listed as 'Spring massage' elsewhere.

First one- 585 Jiang Ning Rd, closest metro may be Changping Rd but not 100% sure.

This place is called Spring massage. Price quoted as 198 RMB.

Allocated a girl who was decent enough. Shower yourself then get the rub down naked. Flipped over the the requests come, I think I got her down to 200 or 250 (probably can push lower) for her to pull her tits out and to pull her panties down to finger her. HJ is what you get.

#6 Address is 148 Maoming North Rd. Closest Metro is West Nanjing Rd.

The location is a bit weird, just after the intersection with WeiHai Rd on the left (if coming from West Nanjing Rd). You'll see stairs up to some salon of some sort. Don't go there. Go underneath the stairs and there is a passageway to the other side; midway through there is a lift; it's opposite some guard rooms. Go up to level. 2? Or 3?

Massage here is 268.

Similar set up to above but facilities maybe a little nicer.

My girl I was allocated, well, she was extremely pretty. The kind were you think how on earth are they working here. Either way gave into her request for 300 RMB for tits out and fingering. Initially didn't allow me to go to far in but she was already very wet before I even began fingering at. At the point where I was cumming she was allowing me to fully finger fuck her. Also, she does a very small amount of BJ, more just teasing the tip.

Went back a 2nd time but the finger roaming wasn't as extensive.

Either way, a bit pricier and I realise I've mentioned 600 RMB for a lot more above but not saying it wasn't worth it. Her number is 77 if you'd like to purvey her services.

So overall, found Shanghai to be a very good place to monger. Is the price higher than the Phillippines or Thailand? For sure but the girls in these places on the whole tend to be better looking I felt. Also the array of services, even the expected 'standard' course is at least an adequate standard. Of course issues like language barrier, and limitation to only having Chinese girls may deter some.

Is a locale to visit purely for mongering purposes? Not entirely. Other issues which make it difficult include visa access to China, at least for Western passports. Curiously, ISG doesn't appear to be blocked and doesn't require a VPN to access.

If you have other reason to be in Shanghai, be it business or tourism then I think the options available are quite vast.

As you can see I tended towards the most expensive options. I do know that the numerous BBS places are also dotted around town providing even more value for money.

Thanks for reading!

Good report and I won't chastise you getting ripped off and scammed. Happened to me twice and it was scary and I lost a lot of money. So now, I only follow the reports on here by trustworthy members. The only time I will do something daring and adventurous is go into an MP in a decent neighborhood in broad daylight. Otherwise, I stick to the the boring verified stuff.

[QUOTE=Zeppelin029;2061241]Hello all, just back from a month in Shanghai and Monterey all over. Will go through each of the places I went.

I will say first tho that I got suckered in the area around Fuzhou road into following a woman on the street into an upstairs place. Offered Sex with a reasonable lineup for 500 rmb total but after the deed was done a guy came in to heavy on me for cash. Was asking 18000 rmb (and eventually argued him down to 5000 rmb. Yes it is a stupid amount and I got extorted, but This being China I felt my life was worth more than the money I'd be able to make back. Whilst I thought about just running off, again I felt that if he was happy to accept such an amount he'd be less likely to have people come after me.

Feel free to tell me how stupid I am. Trust me, I'm well aware. An expensive lesson. The other experiences I can say were far mor positive.

![/QUOTE]Not at all. Thanks for sharing this. A good reminder to us all to keep our wits about us and take care.

[QUOTE=NRock;2060559]Is The Spot a known pick-up place or was that just opportunistic? Wondering because I'd be interested in branch out opportunities outside of Judy's & Manhattan.[/QUOTE]I've been to Shanghai many times this past few years but I've never heard of "Tha Spot". Is this just like Judy's and Manhatten? Where is it located.

[QUOTE=SlickWillie;2057547]I will be there the 21st of July, I'd love to hang with you. I'm not sure how to contact you though. I tried to subscribe to get access to PMs but the site won't take my card and they don't accept more friendly options like bitcoin and my email to support has gone unanswered sadly.

SamCan: Thanks for the info, it is very helpful![/QUOTE]Nice coincidence, I would be there too on 21st. Used to saunas all the time, would try Judy's / Manhattan this time.

I managed to get registered. If you guys want to meet up on the 21st, please send me info on when / where! My PMs should work now.

I think the place is closed. But I last checked 6 months ago.

Having read a ton of great reports on saunas, I want to give one a try. However, I can't speak Mandarin and from all the reports I've read it seems like it's pretty much necessary or very helpful. Are there saunas that are very foreigner friendly?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2061252]Good report and I won't chastise you getting ripped off and scammed. Happened to me twice and it was scary and I lost a lot of money. So now, I only follow the reports on here by trustworthy members. The only time I will do something daring and adventurous is go into an MP in a decent neighborhood in broad daylight. Otherwise, I stick to the the boring verified stuff.[/QUOTE]A member PMed me asking what I meant by being adventurous with MPs. I decided to post my reply on the forum. If you go into an MP in an expat area, such the French Concession, and look at the menu and spot an item that is twice as expensive as the other menu items, you might be pleasantly surprised what happens. I recently had a massage for 248 kuai where HJ was included and a massage for 428 kuai where CIM was included. Though, that said, I also paid for 528 kuai and was asked for another 300 kuai for an ordinary HJ finish. So, it's totally hit or miss. But I like the excitement of the unexpected so it is kind of worth it to get ripped off occasionally.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2061351]I've been to Shanghai many times this past few years but I've never heard of "Tha Spot". Is this just like Judy's and Manhatten? Where is it located.[/QUOTE]It is owned by the same owners as Judy's and is down the street. More of a Burger place / bar with a band. Lots of girls go there with their regulars, also you can find a "non working" working girl. Meaning she doesn't want to be cast as a working girl, so she goes to the spot.

You have to have a little game here, and the chase is fun. Sometimes Judy's feels to me like I'm a slab of meat.

I can confirm the service at Ba Li Ya. Been there 2 times during my last trip earlier this year. Good service without nuru and never disappointed.

The latest contacts to sauna managers through WeChat are mainly in Hongkou district. It seems that many places moved up there. I'll be back early August to see some new locations. Suggestions are appreciated.

Idefix.

Sauna places are using tons of acronyms in their offering. I searched the internet for a summary but without success. Does any of you have a link where I could find this?

One of the latest says for example: WT, SW, YS, T J, KB, DL, ML.

Your help is appreciated!

Idefix.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2061687]I think the place is closed. But I last checked 6 months ago.[/QUOTE]Dead and gone.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2061719]A member PMed me asking what I meant by being adventurous with MPs. I decided to post my reply on the forum. If you go into an MP in an expat area, such the French Concession, and look at the menu and spot an item that is twice as expensive as the other menu items, you might be pleasantly surprised what happens. I recently had a massage for 248 kuai where HJ was included and a massage for 428 kuai where CIM was included. Though, that said, I also paid for 528 kuai and was asked for another 300 kuai for an ordinary HJ finish. So, it's totally hit or miss. But I like the excitement of the unexpected so it is kind of worth it to get ripped off occasionally.[/QUOTE]Not just expat areas. All over China. Just in expat areas you will have to pay more for poorer service.

[QUOTE=Idefix;2061823]Sauna places are using tons of acronyms in their offering. I searched the internet for a summary but without success. Does any of you have a link where I could find this?
One of the latest says for example: WT, SW, YS, T J, KB, DL, ML.
Your help is appreciated!
Idefix.[/QUOTE]I don't have a link, but I am sure that there are many reference on this site. The acronyms that are used can vary from place to place, so there could not be a single link. I know a few of the ones that you list.

[I]DL Dú Lóng: poison dragon (arse rimming)
KB Kǒu Bào: mouth explosion (cum in mouth)
ML make love
WT Wú Tào: no condom
YS Yán Shè: face shoot (cum-on-face)[/I]

Ikks.

Hi Charlie2144,

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

This afternoon I went to Changshou Rd. I guess I spent 30-45 minutes trying to find the place indicated, and I asked 5-6 people around the supposed no, 76, who all tried their best too. But there is – seemingly – no 76 Changshou Rd. It is indicated nowhere and the people around did not know about it either. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit, please?

Afterwards I went to Shaan Xi Bei Lu. That was indeed easy to find but I didn't feel too attracted by the ambience, so I left again.

[QUOTE=Charly2144;2036841]Hi bros,

I was in Shanghai last month. After a RTFF session (thanks for yours answers to my numerous questions), I finally decided to explore 2 places:

- 851 shaanxi bei lu: very easy to find. The place is not very clean but still OK. I asked for and 18. She was available. The girl is OK, blond hair (yes), 6/10 body, funny girl. Not really a massage as the girl goes quite quickly to the point. Very nice session indeed. Damage: 280 RMB for 45 mn! I went back the day after. Could have been much further if I had enough money with me. Next time.

- #76 Changshou Rd, 4th floor: also easy to find. Ask for and3. Really a beautiful girl. What a nice session. I will not go into details but believe me, you re going to have a great time! Damage: 250 RMB for 1 hour. Yes!

These 2 places are great for foreigners. I don't speak a word of Chinese but it was not necessary.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]

For a list, go to kajos' post in Chinese words, post 640.

Hi all,

Was in Shanghai in March this year, been meaning to post something for a while but being a lazy git I never got around to it.

I was there on business after a fair in Guangzhou. So had a couple of nights out.

Went to Bar Rouge near the Bund and it was dead. It was a weekday however I was expecting it to be busy but is was really quiet. I though this was one of the main hot spots in town. No working girls at all. I met a few guys from Europe so ended up having a few drinks. We all decided to go to Mint as I have never been there, we walked around looking for it and finally found it, only to be told that there is a private party tonight. Grrrrr. What a crappy night I thought.

We got a cab and headed for Manhattan. It was super busy with many hot chics and some super ugly ones too. Checked out Judy's but compared to Manhattan is was quiet.

Back to Manhattan for lots of drinks and party with my new friends and lots of ladies. Eventually warmed up with a Viet beauty in her late 20's. Lovely girl and decent English too. We drank, danced, laughed. It was amazing.

She wanted 2 k and I said I will give you 3 k if you make me happy. In the bar and in the room she did everything to make me feel like a king. We were at it all night between breaks and snoozes. She left about 2 pm next day.

It sometimes pays to give them a little extra so they are happy and so are you.

Don't get me wrong I don't always overpay however you need to go with your gut.

Next day went to some bars in Xintiandi and met some people again and partied there till about 2 am. Then back to Manhattan for more fun with another beauty. However that experience was a bit hazy as too drunk. Think I crashed out in the room and then boom boom in the morning with a kiss and good bye departing with 1.5 k.

I'm back in September 9th for a week. Looking at having some more fun. I'm going to be staying in Xin Tian Di. Anyone know of any high end MP's near the area. If so please let me know. I've not tried a MP in Shanghai. Tried RTFF but count make out which one is where.

Keep up the good work guys.

TC.

Red.

It most certainly helps if one, that is to say me, knows the difference between Changshou Rd. And Changshu Rd. Yesterday I did not note the difference, today I do.

As to Changshou Rd. # 76, I entirely agree to the previous comments. The first girl that I was introduced to, was seemingly a bit reluctant when facing a Westerner, while the second one, a girl from Chongqing, was anything but shy. What more can one possibly expect for the sum of 288 RMB?

[QUOTE=Musarney;2062085]Hi Charlie2144,

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

This afternoon I went to Changshou Rd. I guess I spent 30-45 minutes trying to find the place indicated, and I asked 5-6 people around the supposed no, 76, who all tried their best too. But there is seemingly no 76 Changshou Rd. It is indicated nowhere and the people around did not know about it either. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit, please?

Afterwards I went to Shaan Xi Bei Lu. That was indeed easy to find but I didn't feel too attracted by the ambience, so I left again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Musarney;2062085]Hi Charlie2144,

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

This afternoon I went to Changshou Rd. I guess I spent 30-45 minutes trying to find the place indicated, and I asked 5-6 people around the supposed no, 76, who all tried their best too. But there is seemingly no 76 Changshou Rd. It is indicated nowhere and the people around did not know about it either. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit, please?

Afterwards I went to Shaan Xi Bei Lu. That was indeed easy to find but I didn't feel too attracted by the ambience, so I left again.[/QUOTE]Don't feel bad. I have not found 76 Changshou Lu either. And I know the difference between Changshou and Changshu Lu. Fortunately, I am not put off by the "ambiance" of Shaanxi Bei Lu and have had some good times there.

I would appreciate someone who knows 76 Changshou Lu giving us some landmark to assist in finding it.

Go the subway station: Jiangning Rd. It is one minutes' walk from there. It says spa in the windows. Enter the building from the street – 5 meters inside there is a lift. Go to last floor (4th) and there you are.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2062886]Don't feel bad. I have not found 76 Changshou Lu either. And I know the difference between Changshou and Changshu Lu. Fortunately, I am not put off by the "ambiance" of Shaanxi Bei Lu and have had some good times there.

I would appreciate someone who knows 76 Changshou Lu giving us some landmark to assist in finding it.[/QUOTE]

If anyone is in town and wants a wingman for some mongering, send me a PM. Thinking of heading the Judys / Manhatan and also interested in a spa experience. I'm a complete shanghai rookie here, but experienced in plenty of other foreign countries, and always up for some craziness.

Peace out,

ASUdevil.

If I type #76 Changshou Lu into Google Maps, I get #76 Changshu Lu.

When I typed Jiangning Road Station into Google maps, I found the station, but there was no Changshou Lu anywhere near it. It was a bit frustrating.

Nevertheless, I will find help with the concierge of my hotel.

My real question is what services were provided at this Sauna? Same question for Shaan Xi Bei Lu? Were they FS? Was BBBJ on the menu, etc. ?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Levitian;2061888]Dead and gone.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Thanks to both NorthSouth and Lev for answering my question. Pretty sad, as the service was great (except for the rub down, which cost extra and had me temporarily worried that I had ended up in a gay bathhouse by mistake. The guy who gave me the rub down never asked me if I wanted it, and I really thought he was going to offer me a happy ending. The really ending proved to be a very beautiful woman, and very happy). But, there is obviously still a pretty good mongering scene in Shanghai.

Do either of you know if the ladies in the lobby of the Shanghai Hotel are still there? They were clearly P4 P, and it all looked very convenient.

Mandarin is useful, but not entirely necessary. Red House has contact details for an "English speaking manager" though he uses google translate. They will give you a written list of prices.

I also saw Lao Wais at Ba Li Ya.

If you make it known you can't speak a Chinese they will do there best to accomodate. My mandarin is very limited and I did ok.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2061713]Having read a ton of great reports on saunas, I want to give one a try. However, I can't speak Mandarin and from all the reports I've read it seems like it's pretty much necessary or very helpful. Are there saunas that are very foreigner friendly?[/QUOTE]

The girls were still there, the last time I checked out Shanghai Hotel sauna. They were older and not so much to my taste. (plus I was not staying in the hotel).

[QUOTE=Musarney;2063201]Go the subway station: Jiangning Rd. It is one minutes' walk from there. It says spa in the windows. Enter the building from the street 5 meters inside there is a lift. Go to last floor (4th) and there you are.[/QUOTE]This info is getting closer. You obviously know the area well. For those of us with less knowledge a little more description will be a big help.

So, I have determined that Jiangning Rd. Metro station is on Line 13. Is there more than one exit? Which exit to come out? Walking one minute would take me about 80 meters. In what direction? North, south, east, west? Is the Spa sign on the first floor or the 4th floor? Is this the only building with a Spa sign in that immediate area? Any other helpful landmarks (like next to KFC or lion statue by the door? Thanks in advance for the help.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2064120]This info is getting closer. You obviously know the area well. For those of us with less knowledge a little more description will be a big help.

So, I have determined that Jiangning Rd. Metro station is on Line 13. Is there more than one exit? Which exit to come out? Walking one minute would take me about 80 meters. In what direction? North, south, east, west? Is the Spa sign on the first floor or the 4th floor? Is this the only building with a Spa sign in that immediate area? Any other helpful landmarks (like next to KFC or lion statue by the door? Thanks in advance for the help.[/QUOTE][URL]http://maps.baidu.com/[/URL]#panoid=09000300011607041347519731 A&panotype=street&heading=326.63&pitch=-1. 98&l=19&tn=B_NORMAL_MAP&sc=0&newmap=1&shareurl=1&pid=09000300011607041347519731 A.

General recommendation: use Chinese websites to find addresses. Google and Apple don't have up-to-date info.

When you find it be sure to visit with #3. She just arrived after her vacation.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2064764][URL]http://maps.baidu.com/[/URL]#panoid=09000300011607041347519731 A&panotype=street&heading=326.63&pitch=-1. 98&l=19&tn=B_NORMAL_MAP&sc=0&newmap=1&shareurl=1&pid=09000300011607041347519731 A.

General recommendation: use Chinese websites to find addresses. Google and Apple don't have up-to-date info.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a great idea. However, when I click your link here in the states, Baidumaps has an unending spinning thing. Page never loads. So I type in Maps. Baidu and it pops right up with map of the whole country, China. In Chinese. I can read exactly -0- of it. Do you have a link for Baidu Maps where I can enter English and get maps in English?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2065121]Sounds like a great idea. However, when I click your link here in the states, Baidumaps has an unending spinning thing. Page never loads. So I type in Maps. Baidu and it pops right up with map of the whole country, China. In Chinese. I can read exactly -0- of it. Do you have a link for Baidu Maps where I can enter English and get maps in English?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's pretty easy to find. Take exit 4 of the subway and you are about 10 m away from the entry. You will see a pink sign offering massage next to the entry. Take the lift at the end of the corridor to 4 F.

Went there few days ago for first time. Don't expect any kind of decent maasage. It went pretty quickly to the fun part. Which is defiently worth to go back again.

[QUOTE=GaistAsia;2065453]It's pretty easy to find. Take exit 4 of the subway and you are about 10 m away from the entry. You will see a pink sign offering massage next to the entry. Take the lift at the end of the corridor to 4 F.

Went there few days ago for first time. Don't expect any kind of decent maasage. It went pretty quickly to the fun part. Which is defiently worth to go back again.[/QUOTE]Thank you Gaist. Finally some specifics on finding it. Don't worry, I know better than to expect outstanding decor or cleanliness. Good to know you agree with others about it being worth a return visit.

Have fun. Be safe.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2065121]Sounds like a great idea. However, when I click your link here in the states, Baidumaps has an unending spinning thing. Page never loads. So I type in Maps. Baidu and it pops right up with map of the whole country, China. In Chinese. I can read exactly -0- of it. Do you have a link for Baidu Maps where I can enter English and get maps in English?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well yea, they block out-of-country users. You didn't mention you were not here. But it will work once you arrive in China. And no, there is no English version. You need to consider why a country of a billion Chinese speakers would feel the need to make English versions of everything.

The link I gave you was a 3 D street view pointing at the shop.

And a little thanks goes a long way, rather than a bunch of complaints.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065577]Well yea, they block out-of-country users. You didn't mention you were not here. But it will work once you arrive in China. And no, there is no English version. You need to consider why a country of a billion Chinese speakers would feel the need to make English versions of everything.

The link I gave you was a 3 D street view pointing at the shop.

And a little thanks goes a long way, rather than a bunch of complaints.[/QUOTE]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.

I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones). My question is this: why wouldn't these girls instead work for saunas? The workload seems about the same, for what I imagine is more pay, and a safer working environment in the Sauna.

My thought is the saunas are selective in who they hire, and they can't get a gig there. But the massage girls are young enough and pretty enough, and they have the skills, which makes me think they are not passing health tests. Does that sound right?

I just got back to the states after a quick few days in Shanghai. A quick report, nothing too exhaustive.

First, let me say that American Airlines can go fuck itself. Thanks to this douche bag airline, I had a 10 hour flight delay heading to Shanghai. That cost me an entire evening in the city- an extra evening I wish I had at the end of my four nights.

That said, Shanghai was amazing. Beautiful city, great food, nice stuff to see. Sweltering hot in July. It was 100-106 F every day I was there, in evenings it never dropped below 80 F.

Some general observations:

- if you don't have WeChat, download it and try to use it, you'll need it in Shanghai. It gives you everything. Messaging, map integration, translation, all in one place.

- Download a VPN client to your phone and / or computer before heading over if you can. I used ExpressVPN. I think you get 30 days for free. This will make it so you can access this board as well as things like Google services while in China. Everyone there, not just tourists, use a VPN to access blocked internet services.

- Don't bother taking the subways.

- Use Didi (China's Uber) or taxis to get around. Both are very cheap. A 15 minute taxi ride runs about 30-40 why ($6-8 USD) and in Shanghai there is no need to tip, really. A couple of Yuan at the most.

- try to confirm the address with any spa manager before heading out in the taxi.

So I land at midnight and get to my hotel at 2 am Sunday morning. I'm completely knackered from a 30 hour trip duration. Sleep a few hours then wake up, guzzle some coffee, and try to shake the cobwebs.

Sunday afternoon:

- I hit the craft beer festival at Kerry Centre. Had a great time there, met a few lasses there who I probably could have pursued a bit if I really tried, but I was still a little jet lagged.

Sunday Night:

First contact is Wenli, info provided by another hobbiest. Contact via WeChat: "wenli64 u".

- Wenli arrives around 2 pm. We arrange or 1,200 why for 2-3 hours, multi-pop. Had a good time, decent performance, cute gal, BBBJ and many positions. I do not think I will repeat, but this was a good place to start with my Shanghai festivities.

Monday Night, Judy's:

- I head to Judy's on Monday night, time my arrival at the recommended time of about 11:30 pm. Guys, if you have ever wanted to know the feeling of being a hot girl in a bar full of horny dudes, Judy's will give that to you. As I walked around I had lots of girls trying to reach out and grab me or talk to me, even though I was trying to make it obvious where I was and was not interested. This has to be what a chick feels like in a club full of sausages. So, weirdly, being in Judy's gave me a new-found respect for women. Ironic, I know. Probably 25 girls in the entire place, 3 or 4 black gals, and a couple of gals that easily could have been dudes. A few of the Asian gals were a lot older, so out of the 25 or so there I would say maybe 4-5 were actual hotties.

Anyway, I meet a cute little Vietnamese gal named Candy or Cindy. Tight little body, tiny, great shape, nice butt. Sorry that I have deleted her WeChat ID already from my phone, as I need to do a post-trip cleanse of data on my devices, for obvious reasons. After doing a circle or two and sipping some 25 Y Heineken, I settle on this little treat. We settle on 2,000 why all night, which in reality is about 4 hours for me because I reach a point after then that I am exhausted and ask them to leave anyway.

We take a car service back from Judy's (they will have dudes there ready to provide) for 50 why / RMB. Get to the room, I take a shower, she soaps me nicely. We hit the bed, she provides BBBJ, DATY, and then I basically bang her in every position I can imagine and bend into (at my age, that's not as many as it was 20 years ago). I have her do everything, even a little tease show with her playing with herself. She had good English skills so I could explain most everything. Finished once, then she showered and we rested. When I started trying to get physical and go again, she was resistant, saying she was a little "ticklish," but this may have also been a cultural thing. Anyway, we do a quick Road two, this time just in mish, and I basically tried to pound her until I broke her. This little filly can take it, that's for sure.

She leaves around 3 am. I'm spent.

Tuesday night:

I end up hitting craft beer bars in the city (which there are quite a few). So no fun time for me.

Wednesday Night:

My last night in the city and I want to experience a NURU. So I go to SNG, which I had read before, and settle on the idea of going to Caesars Palace. Supposed to be more expensive, but also has the style and the quality of gals to make up for the cost. Since it is my last night, I figure fuck it. I contact the manager via WeChat using the ID provided by SNG, and get a response back in a few minutes. WeChat is nice because it has a built-in translator for messaging, so I can quickly arrange that I will be there and they know and they say to message when I arrive, they will come get me.

So I download the address card from SNG, show it to the taxi driver, and he takes me there. I get out of the taxi, find the address and -- here is where it gets strange. There is no one at all standing in front of the building. Usually there is a guard / doorman or two. Message the manager, say I am there, and get a reply that says they cannot find me. Well, I guess it turns out that either Caesars is no longer in this location, or the manager contact doesn't work there anymore. Sure enough. I ask the manager to send me the address and I get an address a few minutes away from Donghua University. Dammit, now I have to find another taxi, show them the address, and take another 15 minutes to get there. Bummer. But as Hunter Thompson once said, if you buy the ticket, take the ride.

So I get to the building, it's huge. Several big neon signs advertising massage places there. Sorry I deleted the address, but the one photo I took had a picture with a green sign and LIANJIA written on it, which I think is a real estate company. I message the manager and she says to wait, they will send someone out to get me. A couple of minutes alter someone comes out, it is mama manager, and she walks me in- thank god because I never would have found this place. We go up a back staircase a couple of floors, up an elevator I think, then boom into the facility. It looks nothing like the photos of Caesars that SNG has, but it does seem to be a high-quality place. Same procedure, I have to change immediately into slippers / flip flops before heading back to the locker room. None of these places seem to have slippers that fit a US size 12 foot.

So I start to head back t the locker room, get my wrist band with the locker number on it, locker room attendant guides me back to the locker and uses my wristband to unlock my locker. So, yes, the same technology that allows me to charge a meal against the meal plan at Disney is being used here to do everything from unlock your locker to pairing you up with the girl.

I change into the gear they provide, some cotton shorts and a shirt that both look like pyjamas, and the locker attendant guides me out to the next phase. I sit in a waiting area, and the mama / manager gal comes to get me. She shows me a photo on her phone with the rates on it and the letters / levels, and then I proceed into the viewing room to make a choice.

Holy fucking shit.

I am led into a room with about 35 girls arranged with the back row standing and the front row on chairs. There are all kinds of gals in there. Short ones, tall ones, thick or thin, big boobs or small. One thing for certain, at a particular time or place, I would probably want to fuck every single one of them. The speakers are blasting some sort of Asian dance music, the lights are flashing, there are mirrors- if I had to explain the sensation, I would probably say that it is the feeling that hardcore gamblers get on a busy casino floor, with all the slots and lights. I try to take a deep breath to make the right choice, since the only thing pressing my time is me, not manager. I look over a few, mostly it was the higher level girls available but there were a few of the first and second tier. I pick a third tier gal, a cute Cambodian, for 1700 RMB for 2 hours including Nuru. Her number is S-12.

She gives me a rinse, sets up the table for nuru, I lay down and she performs the massage. Incredible experience, very relaxing and arousing at the same time. It feels incredible, a great experience and well worth it.

I am not going to go through all the particulars, but suffice to say after the nuru we get down to business and have a great time. Well worth the effort. But, lesson learned- contact the managers first and confirm the address of any place (they can send you the address via wechat and you just show it to the driver on your phone).

[QUOTE=RobSH;2064764][URL]http://maps.baidu.com/[/URL]#panoid=09000300011607041347519731 A&panotype=street&heading=326.63&pitch=-1. 98&l=19&tn=B_NORMAL_MAP&sc=0&newmap=1&shareurl=1&pid=09000300011607041347519731 A.

General recommendation: use Chinese websites to find addresses. Google and Apple don't have up-to-date info.[/QUOTE]Fully support your recommendation. As a matter of fact and strangely unknown to most China does not allow the majority of foreign companies to use accurate Chinese maps. This goes that far that they randomly falsificate GPS data with an algorithm. Apple switches to Amap automatically as soon as you enter China without telling you. Still it does not work well using English or PinYin. So you must use Chinese map providers and the mandarin written address to find most things that are not famous like the forbidden city. As of course the English markers are often wrong, misspelled etc. Finding the way in China has never been easy. But rest assured most Chinese I know have the same problems.

Success.

FA.

P.S.: if you think I am making this up use google map for a China location and switch from map view to photo view. Or try find New York on AppleMaps while in China.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2065722]I just got back to the states after a quick few days in Shanghai. A quick report, nothing too exhaustive.

First, let me say that American Airlines can go fuck itself. Thanks to this douche bag airline, I had a 10 hour flight delay heading to Shanghai. That cost me an entire evening in the city- an extra evening I wish I had at the end of my four nights.

That said, Shanghai was amazing. Beautiful city, great food, nice stuff to see. Sweltering hot in July. It was 100-106 F every day I was there, in evenings it never dropped below 80 F.

....[/QUOTE]A+ for the report pal.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]RobSH, Thanks for the link, it works. This is really helpful as Google maps is outdated.

BP.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065674]I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones).[/QUOTE]RobSH, could you give some more info on the location of these places or on which forum you found them. Thanks!

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]Thanks Rob, that is a huge help.

After my previous post, a fellow monger PMed me and asked about the beer places I mentioned. In the interest of not having to answer the question again, and wanting to share the info (as I suspect a lot of you like good beer) here is the list of really good places I visited.

1) De Refter: This is a showcase Belgian beer bar for the company that imports that type of beer to the Chinese market. Currently located at 81 Jinxian Rd, Huangpu Qu, Shanghai, but I have been told the location is going to move in August thanks to a landlord that does not want to renew the lease. Very good English bartenders and managers. Served some incredible beers: 2 types of Chimay on tap, Trappist Rochefort 10 (2017), Gulden Draak and a Braunfelser 1868. All except the braunfelser are 10% beers, so be careful! I left this place completely knackered. The current location has a Delerium Tremors Pink Elephant sign hanging outside, and this is often what the place is called. I suspect they will take that sign to the new location. See attached photos for what it looks like.

2) World of Beer. World of Beer is right next to a place called Dr. Beer, and both places are worth visiting. World of Beer has an absolute shit ton of all kinds of beers from around the world, with an ex-pat feel inside. So good English all around. Bar menu is good but do not expect much in the way of Shanghaiese foods -- it is pretty much a western menu with some spices thrown in. Look at the photo attached, they had so many beers I couldn't get them all in one photo. World of Beer is located at 3 Fumin Rd, Jingan Qu, Shanghai.

3) Beer Lady. Located at 455 Fahuazhen Lu, near Dingxi Lu. Everything from US craft brews to hard to find belgian ales. There are a couple of Belgian ales aged for years by monks that sell for 20,000 RMB. There are also a couple of beers that sell for 10 why. Try the 10 RMB beers, you might be surprised. Good english as well and open 24/7 because it is known as a "convenience store".

4) Jackie's beer Nest. The first real craft beer place in Shanghai. Ground zero for Shanghai craft beer. Totally under-the-radar. At 76 Zhaozhou Lu, near Dongtai Lu. Quirky interior and managed by a guy who will talk about beer until he is out of breath. Great welcoming atmosphere. Closes early at 10 pm for some reason, so get there early.

5) Boxing Cat Bewery. Sinan Mansions, Unit 26 A, 519 Fuxing Zhong Lu, near Sinan Lu. Excellent craft beer on tap, maybe five or six of their own beers. They do not sell others. Recently bought by InBev, but if you can get over your snobby "I don't like to drink anything owned by those big beer dickheads" then it is worth the trip. No InBev influence is present.

6) Kerry Hotel. There is a lobby bar called THE BREW that is excellent.

7) Liquid Laundry. Shanghai Shi, Xuhui Qu, HuaiHai Lu XiDuan, 淮28023;20013;36335;1028. Affiliated with Boxing Cat, but they have a lot of other brands on sale here. One of the places besides Jackies that is a must visit.

8) The Bund Brewery. Sucked absolute balls. Shitty beer and filled with dickheads. One asshat wouldn't let me sit at his table even though he had two extra seats. Said he was waiting for a couple of people. An hour later those people were still not there. I walked up and called him a cocksucker, then left.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065674]I have a question for the folks who have been in China for a while: after perusing Chinese forums (E. G. 'Love Shanghai' you'll quickly learn that FS can be had for about 390 RMB all inclusive at certain Massage Shops, particularly in the Hong Kou and Yangpu districts. Furthermore, the girls are young and can be as good looking as sauna girls (well, maybe not the top tier ones). My question is this: why wouldn't these girls instead work for saunas? The workload seems about the same, for what I imagine is more pay, and a safer working environment in the Sauna.

My thought is the saunas are selective in who they hire, and they can't get a gig there. But the massage girls are young enough and pretty enough, and they have the skills, which makes me think they are not passing health tests. Does that sound right?[/QUOTE]Sauna girls do NOT go for regular heath checks, nor are they required to pass one before getting hired by a sauna. There are a few reasons why a girl end up in GM, Dry Massage, rather than sauna.

1. age. Any girl older than 25 in China is called a mature lady. Chinese guys prefer younger girls so unless the girl has that baby face look, or provide "special" services, she probably won't get much business in a sauna.

2. beauty and height. The Chinese definition of beauty is very different from that of a western culture, so is the mindset of a Chinese punter. A typical Chinese punter would chose beauty and youth over service. Service is secondary, the idea is to bang a model type. 170 cm and above usually puts the girl into the model type category, under 155 cm and the girl starts at the bottom level.

3. supply and demand. A typical sauna will have more than 40 girls (bigger saunas like HaoMen on QuYang Lu will have 70+ girls) any day, while a GM place will have less than 10 girls. A punter walks into a sauna and there will be more than 20 girls on stage for selection, while a GM goes with the "next girl up" rotation policy, there's no fishbowl or selection stage.

Thanks for link, clear: English version on a back burner. But how about Pinging for addresses?

Gregory.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2065671]And try this link: [URL]http://j.map.baidu.com/00sJL[/URL] it should work out of China.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2065976]RobSH, could you give some more info on the location of these places or on which forum you found them. Thanks![/QUOTE]The best resource for these GM places is QQ chat groups. There are no KeFu or pimps that you will have to contact before they let you in, just call ahead to make appointment or walk in and ask the girl's number. There will be no fishbowl selection stage, they go by next girl up. Prices start at 220 rmb to 350+ for one hour. Here are a few of them:

YanJiZhong Lu 330, near JinNing Lu. YangPu district. Tel 021 55087157.

TianTongAn Lu, near HuaChang Lu. Next to ZhongYuan real estate. HongKou district. Tel 13626502039.

BeiBaoXing Lu 59, near HongKou football stadium. HongKou district. Tel 18701873484.

GuangZhong Lu 208, near ShuiDian Lu. HongKou district. Tel 15901767338.

There's also ChangShu Lu 76 that's been reported here multiple times.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2065986]Thanks Rob, that is a huge help.[/QUOTE]It's the white board on the left hand side of facing the exit. Was just there this week, had a great time. You will too. .

SL.

[QUOTE=ASUDevil1;2065722]Wednesday Night:

My last night in the city and I want to experience a NURU. So I go to SNG, which I had read before, and settle on the idea of going to Caesars Palace. Supposed to be more expensive, but also has the style and the quality of gals to make up for the cost. Since it is my last night, I figure fuck it. I contact the manager via WeChat using the ID provided by SNG, and get a response back in a few minutes. WeChat is nice because it has a built-in translator for messaging, so I can quickly arrange that I will be there and they know and they say to message when I arrive, they will come get..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report! What's SNG?

[QUOTE=StaidLo;2066024]It's the white board on the left hand side of facing the exit. Was just there this week, had a great time. You will too. .

SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your help. I am looking forward to a good time.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2066006]Sauna girls do NOT go for regular heath checks, nor are they required to pass one before getting hired by a sauna. There are a few reasons why a girl end up in GM, Dry Massage, rather than sauna.

1. age. Any girl older than 25 in China is called a mature lady. Chinese guys prefer younger girls so unless the girl has that baby face look, or provide "special" services, she probably won't get much business in a sauna.

2. beauty and height. The Chinese definition of beauty is very different from that of a western culture, so is the mindset of a Chinese punter. A typical Chinese punter would chose beauty and youth over service. Service is secondary, the idea is to bang a model type. 170 cm and above usually puts the girl into the model type category, under 155 cm and the girl starts at the bottom level.

3. supply and demand. A typical sauna will have more than 40 girls (bigger saunas like HaoMen on QuYang Lu will have 70+ girls) any day, while a GM place will have less than 10 girls. A punter walks into a sauna and there will be more than 20 girls on stage for selection, while a GM goes with the "next girl up" rotation policy, there's no fishbowl or selection stage.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this is helpful. I had seen (also on Chinese forums) some saunas advertise their girls get monthly health checks. Of course, it could be BS, but from a business point of view it makes sense. Don't want them cross infecting each other.

Also, age was not a factor in the GM shops in question- all advertised girls were under 25. Sure, they may have some older ones not advertised.

So I suppose it comes down to what is considered beautiful- the GM girls do seem on the shorter end and darker skin complexion. But that happens to be my preference anyway, so win win.

As for the forum in question. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to 'competing' websites. If a mod will approve, then I will post.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2066017]The best resource for these GM places is QQ chat groups. There are no KeFu or pimps that you will have to contact before they let you in, just call ahead to make appointment or walk in and ask the girl's number. There will be no fishbowl selection stage, they go by next girl up. Prices start at 220 rmb to 350+ for one hour. Here are a few of them:.[/QUOTE]You can request a particular girl's number though, and if they are available, they will usually oblige.

[QUOTE=Presario1626;2066068]Thanks for the great report! What's SNG?[/QUOTE]Shanghai Nightlife Guide.

Arizona123 and RobSH : thanks for the additional info!

The new hot number at Shaanxi Road spa is #99. Can somebody go there to check out her talents?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2067421]The new hot number at Shaanxi Road spa is #99. Can somebody go there to check out her talents?[/QUOTE]Beijing4987， bro, she's pretty popular from booking on the discussion group. I instead opted for the old fav 18，solid svc. .

She's still Number One!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2067746]She's still Number One![/QUOTE]#18 does indeed give great service, but her looks are too um, undesirable for me to really repeat. How does #99 look? Is she cute and / or young?

[QUOTE=Optional;2067875]#18 does indeed give great service, but her looks are too um, undesirable for me to really repeat. How does #99 look? Is she cute and / or young?[/QUOTE]BJ and I have been seeing 18 for plus or minus 5 or 6 years. I remember the first time I discovered her. She was young, pretty and a lot of fun. There's a lot of miles on that girl now.

[QUOTE=Musarney;2062466]It most certainly helps if one, that is to say me, knows the difference between Changshou Rd. And Changshu Rd. Yesterday I did not note the difference, today I do.

As to Changshou Rd. # 76, I entirely agree to the previous comments. The first girl that I was introduced to, was seemingly a bit reluctant when facing a Westerner, while the second one, a girl from Chongqing, was anything but shy. What more can one possibly expect for the sum of 288 RMB?[/QUOTE]I checked out the 76 Changshou Rd location today, and was indeed fairly impressed with the talent. Not that there were any real stunners. But hey, it's 268 RMB, you get what you paid for! They were mostly in their 30's but looked fit and decent.

However, the girl I had (#11) said that FS was NOT on the menu, and finally only agreed to FS if I gave her a tip. She originally wanted a 500 tip, but I talked her down to 200. Did I get scammed? I thought the 268 RMB door fee was all-inclusive, including FS?

[QUOTE=Optional;2067977]I checked out the 76 Changshou Rd location today, and was indeed fairly impressed with the talent. Not that there were any real stunners. But hey, it's 268 RMB, you get what you paid for! They were mostly in their 30's but looked fit and decent.

However, the girl I had (#11) said that FS was NOT on the menu, and finally only agreed to FS if I gave her a tip. She originally wanted a 500 tip, but I talked her down to 200. Did I get scammed? I thought the 268 RMB door fee was all-inclusive, including FS?[/QUOTE]FS is not standard at Changshou Lu, in fact some of the girls won't even do it with a tip. 200 RMB is about the max you should tip. Is #11 the same girl with that lazy eye? I remember having to look away and focus below the neckline.

[QUOTE=Optional;2067977] but I talked her down to 200. Did I get scammed? [/QUOTE]Scammed for a USD tip of $28? I have been in the US too long LOL, I can't even get a HJ at a US AMP for that. Granted comparisons like this aren; t relevent but my point is enjoy the ride while you are there! I doubt you killed the market for $28!

[QUOTE=Optional;2067977]I checked out the 76 Changshou Rd location today, and was indeed fairly impressed with the talent. Not that there were any real stunners. But hey, it's 268 RMB, you get what you paid for! They were mostly in their 30's but looked fit and decent.

However, the girl I had (#11) said that FS was NOT on the menu, and finally only agreed to FS if I gave her a tip. She originally wanted a 500 tip, but I talked her down to 200. Did I get scammed? I thought the 268 RMB door fee was all-inclusive, including FS?[/QUOTE]I don't know of any MP in this city where you can get everything for less than 300 RMB, so no, you were not scammed.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2068206]I don't know of any MP in this city where you can get everything for less than 300 RMB, so no, you were not scammed.[/QUOTE]Ok. Just checking! Based on previous recent message threads, I had assumed these places were FS for 300 RMB (which yes, is indeed too good to be true). But like SamCam said, a 200 RMB tip is no big deal. I just didn't want to have fallen for some sort of scam.

Arizona123 - no, #11 does not have a lazy eye. She was very good and I recommend her. She's not really a looker, but she's younger than the other providers (mid-20's). Slightly on the chubby side but not fat. Had a nice personality and I would repeat.

Hey all,

This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.

I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.

In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.

I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.

Thanks so much for any rec's.

Lonny.

[QUOTE=Lonster;2068289]Hey all,

This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.

I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.

In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.

I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.

Thanks so much for any rec's.

Lonny.[/QUOTE]Visit the Bund for some photos and nice restaurants or check out Xintiandi for a more casual dinner / drinks. Then go to both Manhattan and Judy's, and decide which one better suits your vibe.

[QUOTE=Lonster;2068289]Hey all,

This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.

I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.

In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.

I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.

Thanks so much for any rec's.

Lonny.[/QUOTE]For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.

For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.

For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.

For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.

Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2068459]For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.

For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.

For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.

For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.

Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.[/QUOTE]Thanks Arizona, great tips.

[QUOTE=NRock;2068401]Visit the Bund for some photos and nice restaurants or check out Xintiandi for a more casual dinner / drinks. Then go to both Manhattan and Judy's, and decide which one better suits your vibe.[/QUOTE]Thanks Rock.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2068459]For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.

For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.

For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.

For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.

Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.[/QUOTE]All excellent recommendations. Me, I like saunas because I want a sweet young thing with no kids. Other options will generally be 25 and up. Best saunas will only allow 25 upwards if they are super hot. But saunas have no takeout.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2066387]Arizona123 and RobSH : thanks for the additional info![/QUOTE]Quick question: What does GM stand for? Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=JohnnyAchan;2068672]Quick question: What does GM stand for? Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]GM = Gan Mo = dry grind. Should be FS without soapy. Question: didn't we have a list of Chinese acronyms somewhere, since the one on SNG is not complete.

Shaanxi Road QQ is posting photo of their technicians. #69 is cute and stacked. Anybody willing to toft?

Changshou Road spa is closed for the time being.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2070370]Changshou Road spa is closed for the time being.[/QUOTE]Really? I was just there on Tuesday, two days ago. Any reason why they closed?

Hey guys, I've been away a while, how's SH going??

Is Buddha MP still a good option?

BTW, does someone remembers a young girl with perfect tits and nice body that once worked there? It was definitely the hottest girl I found while mongering.

[QUOTE=Lonster;2068289]Hey all,

This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.

I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.

In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.

I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.

Thanks so much for any rec's.

Lonny.[/QUOTE]Most similar to CLínicas would be a sauna. Girls line up and then you head to the room. But it's definitely a pricey option.

I would rather try the MPs, I wouldn't call it adventurous. It's quite a comfortable experience even for the most shy. And it's a experience you can't quite find in Brazil, nice massage with he.

[QUOTE=Mgp23;2070633]Hey guys, I've been away a while, how's SH going??

Is Buddha MP still a good option?

BTW, does someone remembers a young girl with perfect tits and nice body that once worked there? It was definitely the hottest girl I found while mongering.[/QUOTE]Mgp,

Last time I was near the Buddha place it was closed. The nearest place was around the corner on Shaanxi Bei Lu. More and more, places are being closed or driven out of sight.

I hope you can find some fun. I have been here for about 2 weeks but super busy with work. I hope to head out tomorrow. I hate the heat soit is not comfortable to do much exploring at present.

Have fun. Stay safe.

DoIt.

Had a quick look at a local forum and came across a raid in Xuhui:

[URL]http://www.aishs.top/thread-439989-1-1.html[/URL]

Anyone with Chinese skills who can summarize for us (google translate is insufficient). Please clarify who took these photos, esp the one inside the LE station.

Be careful gents, I am talking out of experience!!

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[QUOTE=Changlelu;2071507]Had a quick look at a local forum and came across a raid in Xuhui:

[URL]http://www.aishs.top/thread-439989-1-1.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Operating a full-service sauna in a landmark like the Shanghai Stadium seems risky, even without all of the major crackdowns going on over the last couple years.

[QUOTE=Comrade2255;2071588]Operating a full-service sauna in a landmark like the Shanghai Stadium seems risky, even without all of the major crackdowns going on over the last couple years.[/QUOTE]I remember some people saying that this place was mega connected and had one of the best roster in Shanghai (with prices to show for it).

Either way from what I heard both Changning and Xuhui are under big pressure lately (but the rest of SH also gets raided even in remote places like Yangpu district which got a sauna raided / closed a few weeks back).

There was a local gov official change in Xuhui which seems to have accelerated the raids.

It seems 2 saunas were simultaneously raided that night and they seized several million RMB in cash with 100+ customers getting arrested.

The police seemed to have studdied the place quite well (maze, several fake wall / doors with key cards, .).

For some time there has been rumors that what happened to Minhang would happend in other districts little by little. It may be the start of it.

Stay safe!

Pics from the raid:

http://slide.news.sina.com.cn/s/slide_1_2841_196977.html#p=1

http://sh.eastday.com/m/20170811/u1ai10780103.html

And video news here:
https://zx.sina.cn/n/2017-08-12/zx-ifyixias0061321.d.html?wm=3049_0015

BTW if you wan't some good reading:

An old article about Minhang: http://shanghai.xinmin.cn/msrx/2017/02/26/30865809.html about how they handled Minhang district. How some saunas had photos of police men, police car licence plates, and such...

And most of all a recent article of an investigation that was led to understand the way Saunas advertised on Baidu Map along with all the techniques for cover and such: [URL]https://www.xcnnews.com/rd/196987.html[/URL].

If you don't read chinese you can google translate to english to get the essence of it. Its prolly one of the most detailed public report given by a reporter and the police.

With that kind of info being public since the 8th or 9th of August, you may understand the raids for the past few days.

The context is similar to Donguan raids which started with similar reporting (on TV back then). Don't forget either that the people who got punished in Donguan raids were friends of Zhou Yang Kang (n2 of Jiang Zeming, part of the Shanghai Clique)... and enemy of the current Chinese president. Don't forget finally that members of the polit bureau are to be nominated in the next few months and that cutting the money from opponents in the party is key for a successful bureau which will allow the president to renew is mandate for many years without oppositions. Well it made sense Shanghai itself would get hit at some point, especially since the way the industry has developped here since the DG closure.

In short. Stay home and be safe. Local politics are too hot lately to risk yourself being colateral damage.

Seeing these pics brings back many (bad) memories.

A few observations from my own bad weather experience:

- they brought heavy guns out this time (SWAT team);.

- their practice is to humiliate and dehumanize you: letting you sit in unnatural and uncomfortable positions, shouting at you, slapping / hitting and kicking (yes! You will be hooded like the Gitmo terrorists in order to disorient you and very heavy handcuffs are used (not seen in the photos).

- this all leads you to loose complete sense of control over your situation;.

- they will use social shaming (calling family and work) in order to get info from you.

- A lot of these LE weathermen are very young and with little life experience but they now control your fate and often abuse that (have witnessed this first hand).

So, yes gents be very conscious of the situation here, this is not going to a sauna club in Germany!

We always say 'play safe' but this is almost impossible since the only safe option is a) no play or b) freelanchers. All commercial venues, from high level sauna to low level BBS, are potential targets. But at least in a SPA you can claim to have only a regular massage.

With the upcoming leadership change later this year we are looking at a few months of elevated storm warnings and dry spell (this is no contradiction unfortunately).

Still, stay safe.

The past couple of days was a huge operation. All places, big or small, pay for a stormwatch. Many of the places who usually gets a warning beforehand didn't even get a whiff of what was to come. Hence, that one place which was ransacked for 500 M yuan. Even reporters were in the know before the places were.

It seems Judy's has been affected as well. Passed by just now and there's a police tape and lock on the door. Not sure of Manhattan though.

There are still some MP' s still open but I'd strongly advise against it. It seems they are hitting saunas first and then onto MP's, seeing that a few of them got struck yesterday and saunas the days before. Go out into the lightning storm at your own risk.

K.

Correction: it was 5 million yuan, not 500 m.

Hello Guyz,

I would be in Shanghai next month for a week & will be staying in Mandarin Oriental Pudong, Shanghai.

Can you share couple of of good service provider / independent escort?

Or a a good Sauna / Massage center with extra services will be fine too. Preferable within walking distance from the hotel.

Will highly appreciate your help.

Regards.

Troy.

SPA's that are strictly he places? Or can they be raided too?

Outcall from escort agencies? Or are hotels on high lookout?

Incall from escort agencies? Or is wechat being monitored, and are there sting operations?

I notice a lot of places are closed in Gubei. If a he or BJ place is still open, then does that mean they are immune to a raid?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2072605]SPA's that are strictly he places? Or can they be raided too?

Outcall from escort agencies? Or are hotels on high lookout?

Incall from escort agencies? Or is wechat being monitored, and are there sting operations?

I notice a lot of places are closed in Gubei. If a he or BJ place is still open, then does that mean they are immune to a raid?[/QUOTE]No place is immune to raids of the current kind because they have been organized to ruin the usual safety net.

HJ SPA are not immune either they are just harder to be caught during the act, but since very few HJ joints are HJ only these days, it still can happend. And that's why many will chose to close until wether is less harsh.

Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.

Safest option would be calling SPA/Sauna girls directly on their phone/wechat because they as individual are less likely to be a target...

This is very helpful. Thanks, Sinofaguo!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2072623]No place is immune to raids of the current kind because they have been organized to ruin the usual safety net.

HJ SPA are not immune either they are just harder to be caught during the act, but since very few HJ joints are HJ only these days, it still can happend. And that's why many will chose to close until wether is less harsh.

Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.

Safest option would be calling SPA/Sauna girls directly on their phone/wechat because they as individual are less likely to be a target...[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Anyone know if Manhattan is still open or raided?

Thanks is advance.

Red.

Walked through a side street of Damuqiao Lu (not sure if this is part of Xuhui district, but at least close by) and all four shops were closed and boarded off by large pieces of plywood, basically covering the whole store windows and even walls. No trace of there being P4P places. If fact it looked like they were preparing for an incoming typhoon....aka storm.

Gents, we are facing tough and dangerous times and no one knows for how long. I remember a few years back due to some large international forum being held in Shanghai a similar situation but that only started close to the event itself and ended soon thereafter. Now we are facing the upcoming all important senior leadership change (expected to take place later this year since in good local tradition no exact dates are issued in advance, we will probably only know it close to it happening). Anyway if this is the case (we are still in August) we can expect 2-3 months of elevated risk and reduced options. Added to this overall situation there are the district leadership changes taking place and their usual 'setting the rules of the game' exercises.

The other side is that the WG are really experiencing large revenue losses as an insider informed me. More than ever trusted regulars are vital now!

Stay safe guys!

[QUOTE=RedHawk;2072829]Hi all,

Anyone know if Manhattan is still open or raided?

Thanks is advance.

Red.[/QUOTE]That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.

[QUOTE=NRock;2073114]That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.[/QUOTE]If you read a few posts down someone mentioned Judy's seemed to be closed. So was making sure. I will be in Shanghai in September and would hate for evening fun to be none existant.

Red.

[QUOTE=NRock;2073114]That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.[/QUOTE]An earlier post said there was police tape in front of Judy's. Judys in in a new location one to two blocks from Manhattans (for a while now). If judy's was impacted, I would assume Manhattans was as well. Can someone stop over for a bear and let us know if our honeys are all right?

If manhattans is ok, the girls will have a lot of business with the saunas and MPs closed!

Walked around both districts and saw that most MPs were closed, but a few SPAs were open. I know a couple of these spas offer he as part of the oil massage option. Should I go for it, or is it still risky? These places are tiny shops. Which makes me hope they are not on LE's radar.

Hi guys,

I've never been to a KTV in China, in fact never been to a KTV anywhere.

Why don't we organise a KTV party.

I will be in Shanghai 9th to 15th September. Who's game?

Red.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2073382]Walked around both districts and saw that most MPs were closed, but a few SPAs were open. I know a couple of these spas offer he as part of the oil massage option. Should I go for it, or is it still risky? These places are tiny shops. Which makes me hope they are not on LE's radar.[/QUOTE]Never mind. I was wrong. I thought they were open, but today I discovered they are all closed. There was one place that was open, a really fancy and expensive spa, but the people at the front desk said that there was no oil massage, and in the room I noticed the shower was padlocked closed, and my provider made me wear a full pyjama set and then put a towel over me and massage me over both the pyjamas and towel. Previously, this was a place where I could get completely naked for an oil massage, with HJ available for a tip. Oh well. Lesson learned.

Hey guys,

News from a friend that works for a KTV joint is that KTVs will be "legit" for the next 10 days or so. Girls will be going home early and girls won't be leaving the KTVs with customers in the mean time.

He is only talking about his KTV so I am not sure about others but just keep it in mind.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2073148]An earlier post said there was police tape in front of Judy's. Judys in in a new location one to two blocks from Manhattans (for a while now). If judy's was impacted, I would assume Manhattans was as well. Can someone stop over for a bear and let us know if our honeys are all right?

If Manhattans is OK, the girls will have a lot of business with the saunas and MPs closed![/QUOTE]I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.

Cheers John.

I will be in Shanghai 9/14 and 9/15. Interested in joining a group for a KTV party. Never done this before. I do not speak Mandarin. If interested send me a private message.

Dropped by on Saturday night, business was booming. Just be careful of the pickpocket crew working the road between the 2.

All the he shops in Pudong seem closed up though.

[QUOTE=Johnps;2074261]I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.

Cheers John.[/QUOTE]Excellent / reassuring news. Thank you for the scouting and update!

[QUOTE=Johnps;2074261]I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.

Cheers John.[/QUOTE]Well that answers one of my question: has this affected offer. It seems not though many providers are in SH on a 3 m VISA and might decide to leave / not come again so hope nothing will change in the LT. My regular told me she will come in September as planned and her friends did not warn her of any change.

Two other questions: has the crackdown affected prices, and anyone knows if it is going to be a semi-permanent thing? I'm going to visit a few Asian cities from September thru November and I am trying to know if I should avoid Shanghai this time (I've to be there on business but can cut my stay short and head back to HK or go to MNL / AC instead!

Cheers!

Friends, long time I didn't post. Sorry.

But please in those days be careful in Gubei area. Lots of check.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiNemo;2074917]Friends, long time I didn't post. Sorry.

But please in those days be careful in Gubei area. Lots of check.[/QUOTE]Same goes in Xuhui, Pudong, Baoshan, Yangpu...

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2074770]Well that answers one of my question: has this affected offer. It seems not though many providers are in SH on a 3 m VISA and might decide to leave / not come again so hope nothing will change in the LT. My regular told me she will come in September as planned and her friends did not warn her of any change.

Two other questions: has the crackdown affected prices, and anyone knows if it is going to be a semi-permanent thing? I'm going to visit a few Asian cities from September thru November and I am trying to know if I should avoid Shanghai this time (I've to be there on business but can cut my stay short and head back to HK or go to MNL / AC instead!

Cheers![/QUOTE]Isn't this an yearly routine we all have seen? As the November approaches, its all the more important to showcase some 'morally clean' city.

But few of my friends are telling me that this time is quite unique with many being forced out of the city. Maybe we will know only in December.

What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief!

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2075087]What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief![/QUOTE]I was thinking the exact same thing. This sucks, visiting the legendary Shanghai and not able to visit soapland. Wtf. I went to my default place, Zhongshan Leisure Club and the doors were taped closed and lights were out. So sad.

Any seniors with guidance for available options? I'm staying in Hongqiao and am in dire need of soapy massage.

I may visit Manhattans over the weekend as a plan be. Open to teaming up on an adventure please PM me.

It appears the sauna operators are hurting. They now advertise, discreetly, to provide outcall. At 2500 to 3000 rmbs for a 70 minutes session. You pay taxi fares and hotel room (if you are a cheating husband). It is hardly worth it. For that kind of money you can get an overnight.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2075087]What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief![/QUOTE]Perhaps the pressure will ease by the time of the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party (don't know the exact date but it is in the autumn) . I think that this is Pooh Bear's final attempt to reduce the influence of the Shanghai faction (Jiang Zemin) prior to the 5 yearly conference. He has recently hit and replaced top figures on the Shanghai scene and now has the clout to hit the faction financially.

I have read statistics about the Dongguan sex industry at the time of the great Yanda in 2014 (which was part of his initial attempts to take down the Jiang Zemin faction).

A common statistic was that the total sex industry (hotels, saunas, KTVs, BBSs, hair dressing salons, make up salons, clothing, taxis etc) generated 50 billion yuan or 10 percent of Dongguan's 550 billion yuan GDP.

Additionally, SCMP reported that 300,000 sex workers operated in the streets, massage parlours, KTVs, saunas and hotels of Dongguan; and up to 800,000 people. An extraordinary 10 percent of the city's population. Were involved in the sex trade in one form or another.

I suspect that these percentages are considerably higher than those for any other Chinese city, as Dongguan was an international sex tourist spot with many visitors from HK, Taiwan and Singapore.

Ikks.

Hi guys,

Got taken to a KTV by a mate. It was inside Pullman level 3 hotel in Shanghai. Sorry I don't know the exact location as its my first day in Shanghai. Had about 25 girls line up but average quality.

2 k for one girl.

8 k room min spend.

We end up spending 36 k for 9 guys. Bit ridiculous price from my experience.

Some girls was willing to go home but at 15 k mark. Way too much.

Anyway that's was my experience. My mate said alot of place don't have girls anymore. Thats why its at ridiculous price.

What do you guys think?

I will be here for another 2 days. Any senior know better place. Please advise. Would much appreciated. Want to try 1 more before leaving this expensive service Shanghai.

Any Shanghai locals can recommend independents friendly to Lo Wei for some time at my Hongqiao hotel please PM me.

This dry spell is killing me. Thanks want to stay away from agencies due to weather. What's left, craigslist?

I know they're out there. Please senior brother hook me up.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MacTheNight;2075590]Any Shanghai locals can recommend independents friendly to Lo Wei for some time at my Hongqiao hotel please PM me.

This dry spell is killing me. Thanks want to stay away from agencies due to weather. What's left, craigslist?

I know they're out there. Please senior brother hook me up.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Same challenge, I have. Just arrived and stay until end of next week. Please PM me some good independents contacts via PM so I can enjoy Shanghai during this "heavy weather".

Thanks!

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Thanks!

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Hi,

Any local friends who can recommend me soapy massage? I am here for a week and each of my contacts have told me that they are closed. The dry spell is really bad for me.

Thanking you all good fellows in advance.

Ed.

I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.

Cheers,

Taz.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2075927]I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]Appreciate if you could advise.

Ed.

[QUOTE=Tazman099;2075927]I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.

Cheers,

Taz.[/QUOTE]Yep but it seems so places are playing the russian roulette because they can't afford being closed too long (cashflow issues + the added troubles of having borrowed cash to some people at very high rate.).

So I wouldn't recommend going out until things get more widely labbeled as "somehow safe".

Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?

i am in the US but dying to know

[QUOTE=SamCan;2076115]Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?

i am in the US but dying to know[/QUOTE]I am also dying to know. I'm going to Beijing later in the year so I hope it's cooled off by then.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2076115]Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?

i am in the US but dying to know[/QUOTE]I would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed someone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2076125]I would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed somone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.[/QUOTE]OK, so no Rain because she's crazy, but my question is, "are these still operating? What about Manhattan's Judy's?" a couple weeks ago, I read there was police tape across the front of Judy's door. There has been no post since saying they are back up and running.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2076249]OK, so no Rain because she's crazy, but my question is, "are these still operating? What about Manhattan's Judy's?" a couple weeks ago, I read there was police tape across the front of Judy's door. There has been no post since saying they are back up and running.[/QUOTE]Not to worry: Manhattan and Judy's operating as usual, no problem there.

[QUOTE=Fisherman2;2076309]Not to worry: Manhattan and Judy's operating as usual, no problem there.[/QUOTE]Confirm that Manhattan is open. I went last night at 11 pm.

But, it was a dude fest. 10:1 ratio, very little selection and none above a 6.

Took Lyna back to hotel for 2 kRMB, 2 hrs 2 pops. Cute Viet with average build. Pricing was same among the 3 SP's I interviewed. Service was OK, but will not repeat.

But, the BBBJ with "please baby cum in my mouth" was alright.

With all the saunas shuttered I would have thought there would be more selection. Where are all the girls?

Aside, I tried to purchase subscription to ISG and my Visa card was not accepted. Will subscribe by cash when I get back stateside. Damn, I need a soapy massage.

With the sauna situation as it is, and no other pointers here, I TOFTT and tried a menu selection from Happymassage, AirHostess Fenny.

Booked Fenny for outcall, 2 hrs GFE FS, 1 kRMB+200 for taxi. She showed up on time. Good English.

Petite spinner, face 7 body 8. Clean, smelled nice. Etc.

Got straight to business. She asked for "tip" to give BJ and I reminded her what FS means. She gave up arguing and proceeded with CBJ.

Good skills, then onto covered mish and cowgirl. She is smoking hot but she rushed the service, not like "hurry up baby", but aggressive riding, grinding and moaning and didn't slow despite me asking her to slow down, I didn't stand a chance. She was in and out in 30 minutes.

Could have been better, definitely could have been worse. If you want a quick satisfaction and can tolerate attempts to upsell, I recommend. If you want GFE, you need to look somewhere else.

I won't repeat. Still seeking tips for soapy in Shanghai.

#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.

[QUOTE=EdmundL;2075828]Hi,

Any local friends who can recommend me soapy massage? I am here for a week and each of my contacts have told me that they are closed. The dry spell is really bad for me.

Thanking you all good fellows in advance.

Ed.[/QUOTE]I'm in shanghai now you can PM me how to find it.

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Hey guys,

I used to live in shanghai but now itś been a while. Back in the day, FS treatments were widely available at selected hotels, just ask for it in the spa lobby and of you go. Shanghai hotel was one of these very nice places.

I'm now planning a trip, and I would very much appreciate an update on the availability of these services.

Is this kind of service gone forever or is it still available?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2076721]#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.[/QUOTE]Thanks Beijing4987.

Visited #10 at this place today, easy to find. Decent oil massage for 1 HR and some fun with a fun girl. The little disposable pants she had me wear confused me for a while, until she started exploring. I left happy.

Damage 300 RMB +200 tip.

Thanks again.

Still hoping a soapy shop opens soon!

Okay, I have an unusual request, but I'm willing to compensate anyone who helps me with Paypal cash.

Met a girl at a massage place in PuXi last spring on a visit. Was planning on coming back soon. But with life, things never panned out the way I expected. I want to connect with the girl via WeChat before she gets lost forever. If anyone is in the PuXi area and wants to check out the massage place at link below to ask for the girl's info, please PM me. Giving a US $50 Paypal bounty for said girl's Wechat (will PM more details for anyone who is wants to try). Not even sure if place is open.

[URL]http://www.dianping.com/shop/2231524[/URL]

Thanks.

I've been to Judy's and Manhattan few times in the past. However, either the russians / columbians are too less or below average, let alone the dude / chic ratio. Its quite surprising, given that Guangzhou has far more cosmopolitan flavours on offer. Am I missing a place? Please suggest. Need big ass columbians, desperately!

- Sam!

Hi all,

Will be in SH on 30th for a night.

Just notice from all your posts that saunas has been raided?

So no action going on right now?

How about out calls?

Anyone know any good outcalls?

Thanks!

For those interested, this is information gathered through various sources, I'm not sure which one is true.

Rumor #1. The first sauna raided located at the football stadium. The local government wanted to clear out all businesses at the bottom level of the stadium for renovation. Convenient stores, real estate shops, restaurants, small offices, and others all agreed to move except for the sauna. The government offered them 10 million RMB to vacate, they wanted 30 million RMB. After all negotiations broke down, the place was raided. You can find video and pictures of this event on the net. The whole situation snowballed from here.

Rumor #2. One owner of a legit foot massage shop went to the local press and complained about how his legit business is getting harassed by customers thinking they can get extra services at his shop. He pointed out a few saunas in the surrounding areas. The press went undercover with cameras into the sauna at the football stadium, sent the videos to the LE threatening to air the footage, a few days later the place was raided.

Rumor #3. There was an administration change over the summer at both the city level and police precinct. Note that this is at the city level and not district level, hence the city-wide shutdown. This administration change plus the preparation for the upcoming communist party meeting (Shijiuda), all entertainment establishments were raided. Over a three weeks period over 4,000 places were raided, this included BBS, MP's, saunas, KTV's, card gambling houses, etc.

I tend to believe it is #3, I verified that the administration change was true and everybody knows about the party meeting. If you're one of the sauna rats like me, you'll find your QQ / Wechat groups either in lock mode temporarily or permanently for some. There are some sauna's providing outcalls now, but the number of girls are less than 10 per shop and the prices pretty high. You'll have to have been a previous customer for them to do business with you.

So guys unless you have regulars that you can contact directly, your best option is Manhattan, Judy's or independents. This storm isn't going away anytime soon.

[QUOTE=MacTheNight;2077032]Thanks Beijing4987.

Visited #10 at this place today, easy to find. Decent oil massage for 1 HR and some fun with a fun girl. The little disposable pants she had me wear confused me for a while, until she started exploring. I left happy.

Damage 300 RMB +200 tip.

Thanks again.

Still hoping a soapy shop opens soon![/QUOTE]Have been there 2 day ago, too and had a good time with #8. Damage 300+100 tip.

Yesterday night checked Ronghua area near Carrefour and everything is closed.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2076721]#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.[/QUOTE]Thanks! But I'm curious. Why is this place open but pretty much nothing else is open?

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2077582]For those interested, this is information gathered through various sources, I'm not sure which one is true.

Rumor #1. The first sauna raided located at the football stadium. The local government wanted to clear out all businesses at the bottom level of the stadium for renovation. Convenient stores, real estate shops, restaurants, small offices, and others all agreed to move except for the sauna. The government offered them 10 million RMB to vacate, they wanted 30 million RMB. After all negotiations broke down, the place was raided. You can find video and pictures of this event on the net. The whole situation snowballed from here.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if its related to the raid but yes there have been big wipes to convert both the stadium and the area around as parks. Place should then be opened 24/7.

There have been articles about this in July ie: [URL]http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/society/Revamp-to-create-big-sports-venue/shdaily.shtml[/URL].

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2077582]
Rumor #2. One owner of a legit foot massage shop went to the local press and complained about how his legit business is getting harassed by customers thinking they can get extra services at his shop. He pointed out a few saunas in the surrounding areas. The press went undercover with cameras into the sauna at the football stadium, sent the videos to the LE threatening to air the footage, a few days later the place was raided.
[/QUOTE]Yes see "Baidu Map Scandal" article a couple pages back.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2077582]
Rumor #3. There was an administration change over the summer at both the city level and police precinct. Note that this is at the city level and not district level, hence the city-wide shutdown. This administration change plus the preparation for the upcoming communist party meeting (Shijiuda), all entertainment establishments were raided. Over a three weeks period over 4,000 places were raided, this included BBS, MP's, saunas, KTV's, card gambling houses, etc.

I tend to believe it is #3, I verified that the administration change was true and everybody knows about the party meeting. If you're one of the sauna rats like me, you'll find your QQ / Wechat groups either in lock mode temporarily or permanently for some. There are some sauna's providing outcalls now, but the number of girls are less than 10 per shop and the prices pretty high. You'll have to have been a previous customer for them to do business with you.

So guys unless you have regulars that you can contact directly, your best option is Manhattan, Judy's or independents. This storm isn't going away anytime soon.
[/QUOTE]Definatly the most likely reason from all the input I got while discussing this with various people too.

To that you can add that Xi Jinping would apparently be expected to visit Shanghai in October and that even legit places will be asked to open the door when a girl massages a man and such. During his stay.

Naughty places will have to close during his visit but apparently this time they are asked to close even before this event. Because of the current tension with the 19th congress and the change of power in the Shanghai admin.

I second your recommendation don't go to places which open like Yuyuan road MP advertised below because its not because its opened that it is safe. Think about it, the chances of getting caught in this period is greater than usual because the police has even less places to monitor than usual. Sure MPs are harder to be caught if its a fully dressed quick HJ. But one thing the LE hates is people going against their recommandations.

There are also rumors than specific districts will be shut forever (ie some people say they want to convert pudong as a model district.).

Well as usual there are many rumors, its likely the current situation is a mix of different reasons.

I can confirm that the raids going on are beyond the scope of mere stadium massage raids. A friend of mine who works as a prison guardian Baoding recently chatted about having to pull an unexpected major shift because they had to process around 150 people three nights ago from a big gambling den that was busted up. Apparently he's never seen such a large raid / influx of people, and has been advised to prepare for more. Stay safe out there, guys!

This stormy weather is driving me crazy. I don't need FS, as I t's too tiring. I just miss the inexpensive massage + HJ. But I'm afraid to visit any place that's taking a chance by being open. Anyway, just wanted to vent.

I guess that Shanghai might be another Dong Guan, under Xi Jingping's leadership. That mean, sex industry may be closed forever in Shanghai and in China largely.

[QUOTE=Musarney;2062085]Hi Charlie2144,

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

This afternoon I went to Changshou Rd. I guess I spent 30-45 minutes trying to find the place indicated, and I asked 5-6 people around the supposed no, 76, who all tried their best too. But there is seemingly no 76 Changshou Rd. It is indicated nowhere and the people around did not know about it either. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit, please?

Afterwards I went to Shaan Xi Bei Lu. That was indeed easy to find but I didn't feel too attracted by the ambience, so I left again.[/QUOTE]Really sorry for this late answer!

Actually, I went there twice. Each time by taxi. The driver dropped me right in front of the building. There is a small post mentioning the spa at the 4th floor. Very easy to find for me although I don't read or speak chinese.

The other venue is quite weird but is fine actually. You should try.

Hope this helps.

Good day,

I am overly worried about the current situation.

I was wondering how LE potentially finds out that I receive a HJ in a legit massage place. Everything takes place behind closed doors and the massage girl is fully dressed.

Does anyone has experience how a raid at a massage places looks like? I always thought that a HJ is no problem and should be part of a proper full-body massage anyway.

Would you currently even avoid to go to a place just for a proper massage with happy ending (no FS)? If not, when would you expect it is more or less safe again?

Communist Party Congress on 18th October. Then we will see.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;2078227]I guess that Shanghai might be another Dong Guan, under Xi Jingping's leadership. That mean, sex industry may be closed forever in Shanghai and in China largely.[/QUOTE]

I was in SH August 19 and 20. Stayed at Hilton hongqiao. I went to manhattan and judys on Saturday. All seemed normal. Tons of ladies at both. Great ratio. I don't take out typically. So I do t know prices.

I did wander around the hotel to find massage. The place next door to the Hilton on the second floor was closed. I have never been there before and was looking forward to it. Bummed it was closed.

So I walked around more. Stopped by thanks massage and went in. A guy came in my room to give the massage. I left.

Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.

Then I was off to Hong Kong. Much better fun there!

[QUOTE=Msukc;2078611]I was in SH August 19 and 20. Stayed at Hilton hongqiao. I went to manhattan and judys on Saturday. All seemed normal. Tons of ladies at both. Great ratio. I don't take out typically. So I do t know prices.

I did wander around the hotel to find massage. The place next door to the Hilton on the second floor was closed. I have never been there before and was looking forward to it. Bummed it was closed.

So I walked around more. Stopped by thanks massage and went in. A guy came in my room to give the massage. I left.

Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.

Then I was off to Hong Kong. Much better fun there![/QUOTE]It's in the Highton Hotel?

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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2078661]It's in the Highton Hotel?[/QUOTE]Yeah. That's the one. Forgot the name. Spa on second floor.

It seems like the crackdown is pretty comprehensive. I walked past my neighborhood "foot massage" places this week. They were small operations, having 3 or 4 older women working there, catering to locals and never seems busy. They were all closed. One actually had a notice from the local public safety office, sealing the door. If they cracked down on such small operations, nothing is safe.

Most Chinese hotels have SPAs that will send a girl to your room and extras are often available. Even SPAs at Western hotels have in-room massage girls that will offer extras. Has the stormy weather affected this activity?

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2079077] They were all closed. One actually had a notice from the local public safety office, sealing the door. If they cracked down on such small operations, nothing is safe.[/QUOTE]Can someone please tell what these LE notices actually say, it seems every shop has the same notice printed in black and white banner style and placed as a cross over the front door. Some shops also have a text A4 notice on the door.

Have any members TOFT at this place? Please inform by PM only. Three new technicians have arrived recently. #7,8 and 66. #18 has taken a back seat with the constantly revolving talent.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2079297]Most Chinese hotels have SPAs that will send a girl to your room and extras are often available. Even SPAs at Western hotels have in-room massage girls that will offer extras. Has the stormy weather affected this activity?[/QUOTE]Some of the said Hotel SPA don't provide in SPA service anymore but do provide in room service.

Of course this kind of service is less codified than in your usual MP shop, with the boss taking a big % of the price so the price tends to be quite expensive otherwise the girls wouldn't gain much.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2079329]Can someone please tell what these LE notices actually say, it seems every shop has the same notice printed in black and white banner style and placed as a cross over the front door. Some shops also have a text A4 notice on the door.[/QUOTE]Can you post a photo of the notice? For those of us who are not currently in SH have no idea what it looks like?

Jb.

Even local chinese websites like 77 shlf (the local chinese equivalent of SNG) are completely shut down. I have a feeling the good days are completely over, just like what happened in Dongguan. Well, we had a good run. RIP!

[QUOTE=Msukc;2079005]Yeah. That's the one. Forgot the name. Spa on second floor.[/QUOTE]I checked it out by paying a lot for a massage and no extras were available. But maybe I got unlucky.

While one of my regular shops has stopped giving he since the raid, another one is continuing with business as usual (maybe a little more cautious- E. G. No more showers). This particular shop includes he in the price (no tip required). It's a chain all over Shanghai. PM me for details.

[QUOTE=Msukc;2078611]I was in SH August 19 and 20....

Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.[/QUOTE]Is that roughly $110-$120 US total?

I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.

Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Optional;2079960]Even local chinese websites like 77 shlf (the local chinese equivalent of SNG) are completely shut down. I have a feeling the good days are completely over, just like what happened in Dongguan. Well, we had a good run. RIP![/QUOTE]They're still opened.

The one you're mentionning is available here: [URL]http://www.33shlf.com/[/URL].

The other famous one: [URL]http://www.aishs.top/forum.php[/URL].

These sites have been changing url 2 or 3 times a year for several years now.

But they mostly make money from Ads and well. Not many ads there considering the current situation (aside from the saunas which prepaid ads on a long period and are now being advertised for nothing.).

On a side note there are rumors on these chinese sites of places reopening in Putuo on Tong Pu Road, and in Minhang without specifics.
Of cours noone really knows how safe that is... so I'd advise not to go... (safe for places which reopened in Jing'an)

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2080058]They're still opened.

The one you're mentionning is available here: [URL]http://www.33shlf.com/[/URL].

The other famous one: [URL]http://www.aishs.top/forum.php[/URL].

These sites have been changing url 2 or 3 times a year for several years now.

But they mostly make money from Ads and well. Not many ads there considering the current situation (aside from the saunas which prepaid ads on a long period and are now being advertised for nothing.).

On a side note there are rumors on these chinese sites of places reopening in Putuo on Tong Pu Road, and in Minhang without specifics.
Of cours noone really knows how safe that is... so I'd advise not to go... (safe for places which reopened in Jing'an)[/QUOTE]Just got a surprise call from a sauna and they reopened in Kunshan, a town between Shanghai and Suzhou. I am in the US now and unable to try yet.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2080035]Is that roughly $110-$120 US total?[/QUOTE]I checked it out. It's 590 rmb for non members. And there were no extras. But maybe I got unlucky with a nervous provider. Massage wasn't great either. Waste of money and 2 hours.

FYI its more of a rumor than a certain thing as of now since no official confirmation but:

- I got a couple reports from people trying the SNG hotline this weekend and getting no answer through the multiple channels available.

- SNG site is now down (and since not hosted in China it means was taken down by its owner).

Could the hotline have been arrested and the website been taken down to cover the tracks?

Possible. If anyone else has info. I know a girl who works with them and had big? Too.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2080263]FYI its more of a rumor than a certain thing as of now since no official confirmation but:

- I got a couple reports from people trying the SNG hotline this weekend and getting no answer through the multiple channels available.

- SNG site is now down (and since not hosted in China it means was taken down by its owner).

Could the hotline have been arrested and the website been taken down to cover the tracks?

Possible. If anyone else has info. I know a girl who works with them and had big? Too.[/QUOTE]Yes, the SNG site is down. It was available yesterday. Seems like things are changing (for the worse) every day.

Those hours are not favorable even in the best of times. Saunas and MPs will be closed and Indies will be asleep.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2080036]I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.

Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

As a suggestion, you can try the airport massage. Extras can be had (although maybe not recently.) But you'll be paying an arm and a leg for it. It does have a certain novelty factor.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2080036]I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.

Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?

TF.

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The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2080265]Yes, the SNG site is down. It was available yesterday. Seems like things are changing (for the worse) every day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelFirst81;2080445]Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?

TF.[/QUOTE]It probably means "no limitation, within the time period". That you can "shoot" as many times as you are able to, within the time period. The time period might be 1 hour, 70 minutes, 2 hours, overnight (typically 11 pm until 7 or 8 am the following morning).

If you can quote the exact Chinese phrase then someone here will be able to "nail it down" for you.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

[QUOTE=Pushkin13;2080711]It probably means "no limitation, within the time period". That you can "shoot" as many times as you are able to, within the time period. The time period might be 1 hour, 70 minutes, 2 hours, overnight (typically 11 pm until 7 or 8 am the following morning).

If you can quote the exact Chinese phrase then someone here will be able to "nail it down" for you.

Enjoy and report.

P13.[/QUOTE]Trying to book a independent escort at SNG (before it shutdown). Advertise as a "Bookable Girlfriend" with "Limitation: No" remarks. 3900 for 12 hrs. When I ask how many shots available, she said only 1 times and its depending on her mood. I said it should more than 1 shot for 12 hrs and she went crazy and calling me names. She said "Limitation: No" means only 1 shot. Its crazy right?

There's a poster called "Kaitexi" that posts an ad in the "classified ads" forum here. She links to a website for Shanghai escorts. Has anyone ever hired one of the girls there? If so, how was it? Is that ad reliable / safe?

[QUOTE=TravelFirst81;2080445]Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?

TF.[/QUOTE]Kind of sux your first and only post on this forum is for a question about our interpretation of 2 words. And no link or anything to the said ad which could allow us to better understand the context.

I wouldn't deal with a provider cursing me for asking a question on the service provided. Not very reassuring.

I was in Shanghai near Nanjing Road buying some fake watches and sunglasses. We were approached by one of the shop owners who heard us talking about a massage with a happy ending. He pulled us aside and asked us what we wanted. We said we have to catch our plane but a nice massage with a HJ would work. He said to follow him, we follow him through the back alleys for about 8 minutes. He brings us into this small massage place. We checked it out and the girls were cute so we decided to stay. At the end we both had nice massage with HJ, total cost was 260 rmb each. Sorry but not able to remember where we were. Can't wait to go back, but it sounds like things are changing.

[QUOTE=TravelFirst81;2080744]Trying to book a independent escort at SNG (before it shutdown). Advertise as a "Bookable Girlfriend" with "Limitation: No" remarks. 3900 for 12 hrs. When I ask how many shots available, she said only 1 times and its depending on her mood. I said it should more than 1 shot for 12 hrs and she went crazy and calling me names. She said "Limitation: No" means only 1 shot. Its crazy right?[/QUOTE]On the limitation stands for "pop limit" no means no limit. . Just cause the page say it doesn't mean all the girls come through.

You could have complained to steven (in the past) as he would give the girl a mark. If she got enough marks she was out.

Best way to really know is post some reviews. And people like me will share with you as we go.

I have not been to China since the storms so I am not much help at the moment.

[QUOTE=BbbJon66;2080632]The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.[/QUOTE]Lucy is definitely in business as well. The girls have been warned though, to lay low and be careful accepting new customers.

That was a silly thing to do. Never follow touts. Especially around Nanjing road. You are lucky you got away without being roughed up and having your credit cards maxed out.

[QUOTE=BrianKaneman;2080981]I was in Shanghai near Nanjing Road buying some fake watches and sunglasses. We were approached by one of the shop owners who heard us talking about a massage with a happy ending. He pulled us aside and asked us what we wanted. We said we have to catch our plane but a nice massage with a HJ would work. He said to follow him, we follow him through the back alleys for about 8 minutes. He brings us into this small massage place. We checked it out and the girls were cute so we decided to stay. At the end we both had nice massage with HJ, total cost was 260 rmb each. Sorry but not able to remember where we were. Can't wait to go back, but it sounds like things are changing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BbbJon66;2080632]The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion regarding time machine.

I tried it and got all the way to the overview of the girls, but when I want to see their details incl. Contact info, I end up with Error 404.

Any tip on how to get the last step done and get the contact info?

Highly appreciated!

My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the Chinese police.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2081160]My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the chinese police.[/QUOTE]Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2081174]Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?[/QUOTE]I can confirm his mobile and wechat is shutdown / offline. Already ask 2 of the provider to contact him but can't go through.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2081174]Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?[/QUOTE]Long time lurker, first time poster. I have avoided many pitfalls by RTFF and taking advice and direction from the many of you who have left FR. In the course of that I met Judy, the call screener for SNG and also several of the nice ladies who have marketed through SNG and have always been fully satisfied by my interactions with them. SNG was the one place I always received what was expected and had some decent idea of how the provider would look when she arrived. I thank you all for your contributions to my education.

In the course of those interactions I maintained communications with several of the young ladies and one of them had confirmed to me the above bad news. Although I have no additional verification beyond SNG being shut down, she tells me that both "Judy" and Stephen have been detained.

She also agreed with my guess that it could be bad to maintain membership in group chats on WeChat regarding various arrangements in Shanghai, in particular there was a chat group focused on KTV arrangements that Judy's alter ego managed. I have quit and deleted that chat group and suggest others do the same to CYA.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2081174]Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?[/QUOTE]One of his long time girls texted me.

[QUOTE=TravelFirst81;2081225]I can confirm his mobile and wechat is shutdown / offline. Already ask 2 of the provider to contact him but can't go through.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marty47;2081306]One of his long time girls texted me.[/QUOTE]Yep that's what we posted bellow:

Hotline dead for a week+.

Website down.

Girls with no news from SNG / no new business.

But I renew my question. Is it just an educated guess by your contact that he MAY have been arrested or is your contact (Cathy?) basing it on something solid / has info about the context of his arrestation?

If he was indeed arrested, then who took the site down? And how comes nothing has been said about it in the local media yet when you know how much they'd love to make the arrest of a foreigner doing bad business public.

I am sure we will know one way or another on Steven. . let the dust clear a little. I know Steven had an out plan but he may not have had a chance to enact it.

With SNG down and BP / Cracker is my only source, I will try to contact.

Sandy [URL]http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/real-sexy-yoga-cosplay-girl-sandy-86-158-2131-5332-fullfil-your-wildest-fantasies/6887648[/URL].

Coco [URL]http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/100-genuine-independant-coco-open-clean-discrete-and-waiting-for-you/6887593[/URL].

Will check out and report either one of them or both. If someone already have review for both please advise and share some info.

TF.

It's sad that SNG has been shutdown as I've been using that site for many years. Feel bad for Steven, Judy, etc. If they really got detained because they helped a lot of people throughout the years.

Anyways, I went to both Judy's and Manhattan's on 9/1 (Friday) at around 9 pm.

Noticed lots of independents wandering outside the streets. A couple police officers were monitoring Manhattans in their car. That kind of spooked me.

Anyways, when we went inside Manhattan's, there were barely any girls for some reason. Totally not like before where there were a ton of girls standing on the sides and everywhere.

Next, we went to Judy's which was much of the same.

Eventually someone approached me on the street and offered 1 hour for 1500 which I went for. Normally I would negotiate but I wasn't in the mood.

Service was pretty good, BBJ and Sex. Took about 30 min. Total then she left.

Miss the saunas and especially the cheap massages with happy endings. I used to buy the 5 k cards at Spring Massage which then gave me a nice discount for a 300 RMB massage + tip (sometimes depending on the girl). That was really nice as 1 k could get me 3 massages instead of going for one mediocre sauna experience.

If anyone knows of any safe places to go to for happy ending massages or independents, please PM me.

I saw a place on Kangding and Jiangning. They were calling me over like the old days but I dare not go in as I had never been there. I know that place has been around for many years though. Anyone ever been there?

Contacted some of my regulars working in bars, parlors, KTVs. Most of their shops were asked to shut down for 2 - 3 months. Some decided to leave Shanghai for a while, as there will be no business.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Marty47;2081160]My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the chinese police.[/QUOTE]I thought he was really daring in the first place, showing his face on the website. Let's hope for the best.

Lev.

Any further information about Judy's and Manhattan? Still open?

Good time to make sure all precautions in place. For instance, never use wechat account linked to your ID when dealing with these establishments.

I see some saunas are offering takeout to known customers. But I plan to sit out till after party congress.

One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.

It seems that the situation is serious.

BP.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2081494]One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.

It seems that the situation is serious.

BP.[/QUOTE]Oh no, don't make me crazy and nervous.

I will be in Shanghai mid of November, my worst fear is that until then every bar in SH will be swept out and the scene is dead / closed.

My plan is usually to visit Manhattan or Judy's and take one beauty out with me.

But if everything is increasing with crackdowns in the meanwhile there may be no more chance.

Has such situation been before already in Shanghai in former years? Does anyone know? And why is it actually like it is?

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2081509]Oh

Has such situation been before already in Shanghai in former years? Does anyone know? And why is it actually like it is?[/QUOTE]Unless the reports have some hysteria or conjecture (leading to hysteria) this sounds as worse than it's ever been. It has happened before this time of year but not to this degree. I am not sure I would try anything over there just now. Don't let the little head get you to jail.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2081566]Unless the reports have some hysteria or conjecture (leading to hysteria) this sounds as worse than it's ever been. It has happened before this time of year but not to this degree. I am not sure I would try anything over there just now. Don't let the little head get you to jail.[/QUOTE]Hahhhh? I don't understand!

You have one post on the forum and you spent 1500 Yuans for 30 minutes. Wow -talk about continuing to ruin the market rate for the rest of us. It seems the hysteria and fear mongering on the SH forum needs to take a breather and let the cooler heads prevail.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2081427]

Eventually someone approached me on the street and offered 1 hour for 1500 which I went for. Normally I would negotiate but I wasn't in the mood. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2081494]One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.

It seems that the situation is serious.

BP.[/QUOTE]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).

This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.

Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.

Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.

Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.

I'm stuck as well.

I've had success locating Mimi in Shanghai / Cracker. But it seems she was the only gal with external ads.

[QUOTE=Houzi;2081114]Thanks for the suggestion regarding time machine.

I tried it and got all the way to the overview of the girls, but when I want to see their details incl. Contact info, I end up with Error 404.

Any tip on how to get the last step done and get the contact info?

Highly appreciated![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2081494]One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.

It seems that the situation is serious.

BP.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are a Tier 1 Viet girl, why even have the headache of going all the way to Shanghai to be hassled when you can take a shorter flight from Hanoi / HCM to Singapore and work the Brix? Some girls might have established friends / family in Shanghai they stay with but otherwise, I think the environment is probably worse. Hopefully this will die down in a few months.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).

This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it.[/QUOTE]Yes, that might be a reason that there is the most important party congress on 18th October and they clean a little bit streets.

But: the congress is in Beijing. So why crackdowns in Shanghai?

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081468]Good time to make sure all precautions in place. For instance, never use wechat account linked to your ID when dealing with these establishments.

I see some saunas are offering takeout to known customers. But I plan to sit out till after party congress.[/QUOTE]So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?

I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?

Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.

Maybe I should just leave China.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).

This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.

Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.

Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.

Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.[/QUOTE]How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?

Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2081613]Hahhhh? I don't understand![/QUOTE]I'll make it easy. If what people are posting is completely factual, no it has never been this bad.

Hysteria is when people start jumping at the smallest thing and making it worse than it is. Since we are all communicating what we heard, I don't know if it's been exaggerated. If nothing has been exagerrated. This seems bad. We have also seen things like this blow over and business return to normal. Places like changping and Donguan (these were cities that basically became brothels and sex destinations for men) went through this and never returned to former glory however.

If I was there, I would not play there.

Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.

Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.

I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.

I went to a MP today. They wouldn't even do oil massage, despite it being on the menu. And I had to wear my boxers under their blue shorts. They're all expecting to be raided any minute.

The girl did say she expected it to return to 'normal' on October 19th. We'll see.

In the meantime, play it safe!

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081895]Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.

Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.

I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2081735]How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?

Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.[/QUOTE]My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.

So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.

[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2081722]So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?

I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?

Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.

Maybe I should just leave China.[/QUOTE]My two cents, for what they are worth:

Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?

A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.

Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?

A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.

Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?

A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.

[QUOTE=Zoltan123;2081969]My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.

So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.[/QUOTE]I'd use wechat as long as the phone is not linked to my ID. Technically, any Chinese phone number should be linked to the user's ID. So it's smart to maintain one wechat for regular interaction and an anon wechat for mongering.

[QUOTE=FiftyShades;2081985]My two cents, for what they are worth:

Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?

A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.

Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?

A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.

Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?

A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.[/QUOTE]Yeah, foreigners are not the target. We're collateral damage. Most saunas almost never see a foreigner.

Private arrangements are fairly safe since they are hard to convict, even under Chinese law (with few rights for accused). The Chinese shut down prostitution in a few other cities because they were becoming Pataya. Not the case with Shanghai.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2081647]While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).

This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.

Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.

Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.

Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.[/QUOTE]It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.

Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.

BP.

Visa requirements: 30 days max stay.

[QUOTE=BigPoppaII;2082030]It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.

Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.

BP.[/QUOTE]

Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.

As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.

If you do get caught, put on 2 pairs of shirts and 2 pair of boxers and if you can 2 pair of pants, you will need it.

GL.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082113]Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.

As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.

If you do get caught, put on 2 pairs of shirts and 2 pair of boxers and if you can 2 pair of pants, you will need it.

GL.[/QUOTE]How many foreigners did you see in total?

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082113]Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why..[/QUOTE]Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?

Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?

Boag-.

Thanks for sharing your ordeal. Scary.

SNG had a good thing going for awhile but that's obviously over. Given the current zeal of LE, I personally will only use an unregistered wechat account, deal directly with the girls, not discuss money via wechat and not disclose my room / apartment number (meet them in the lobby). But I really prefer the Manhattan option. No electronic trail.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2082443]Boag-.
Thanks for sharing your ordeal. Scary.
SNG had a good thing going for awhile but that's obviously over. Given the current zeal of LE, I personally will only use an unregistered wechat account, deal directly with the girls and not disclose my room / apartment number (meet them in the lobby). But I really prefer the Manhattan option. No electronic trail.[/QUOTE]Sound advice, but I don't understand the meaning of an "unregistered weChat account", and what is the advantage of the lack of registration from a security point of view.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=FiftyShades;2082344]How many foreigners did you see in total?[/QUOTE]14 Total guys, 12 Foreigners, 1 Chinese national from the US, 1 Chinese national that lived in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2082439]Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?

Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?[/QUOTE]Not sure which or how many girls were tracked but at least one were. I believe it was one of the Chinese girls. Don't believe any of the Viet girls were caught in the raid that night but I have no information on if any were caught afterwards. If you contacted the girls directly it should be OK. It is very risky if you contacted Judy.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;2082448]Sound advice, but I don't understand the meaning of an "unregistered weChat account", and what is the advantage of the lack of registration from a security point of view.

Ikks.[/QUOTE]The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.

If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2082508]The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.
If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I understand. I was hoping that you had discovered a way to have total anonymity on your We Chat account.

I actually have one WeChat account (established late 2011) that is associated with a SIM / phone number purchased in 2010, and no longer used, and an anonymous email account. So, there is no link to me AFAIK. But I am still cautious!

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2082439]Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?

Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?[/QUOTE]All the independent girls that were not using the hotline are still free. Though doesn't mean they're safe, maybe police is planning a second wave. Though I assume they knew the girls would start running for the hills the moment Steven disappeared.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2082508]The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.

If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.[/QUOTE]I guess the question at this point is: If you have contacted a sauna via Wechat at anytime in the past, are you in danger? If people who contacted Judy from SNG were in danger, then certainly it means the higher ups are indeed targeting actual clientele, not just the establishments. Does anyone have any stories or info about being apprehended solely based on evidence of being in the contact lists for a sauna manager (or having a chat history with one)?

I cannot imagine they would try to catch everyone who has ever contacted a sauna. That would be hundreds of thousands of people!

[QUOTE=Optional;2082568]I guess the question at this point is: If you have contacted a sauna via Wechat at anytime in the past, are you in danger? If people who contacted Judy from SNG were in danger, then certainly it means the higher ups are indeed targeting actual clientele, not just the establishments. Does anyone have any stories or info about being apprehended solely based on evidence of being in the contact lists for a sauna manager (or having a chat history with one)?

I cannot imagine they would try to catch everyone who has ever contacted a sauna. That would be hundreds of thousands of people![/QUOTE]Agree with you.

Haven't heard of anyone getting apprehended because they're in contact with Judy or other sauna managers. I think to actually charged a person requires harder evidence as even if you commit to a sauna appointment or appointment, it's not enough evidence to prove that you paid for illegal services rendered.

However, if you're actually in a sauna during a raid, there's more circumstantial evidence to charge you. What if you're in the waiting area, for example? Is it illegal to just be in an sauna at all? Is one able to play dumb and say you didn't know what this was & thought you were getting a massage?

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082113]Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.

GL.[/QUOTE]First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.

However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.

Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.

Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel? Perhaps this assumes that they will go to the same place that you arranged the meeting at? I guess they would need to check the details from Judy's phone and go to your exact hotel that you're staying in today? What if you're not in the same hotel / room anymore? Maybe they can look up information somehow via your phone number?

Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.

Sorry to hear about your ordeal. Glad to know you seem to be okay and able to give us some insight about what happened. I don't quite understand how they caught people from Steven or Judy's wechat acct. Did LE use Judy's acct pretending to be her and entrap people? Or did they just show up at your place of residence and charge you based on things said on wechat?

If this is the case, I don't see Judy or Steven being treated lightly. Considering that they were the organizers, they should be in some serious trouble regardless if they cooperated or not with LE.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2082656]{S N I P}Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.[/QUOTE]Do Chinese Police need proof? And there are also stories of them 'finding' a condom in a waste bin and using that as sufficient evidence, whether it be in a sauna or a hotel room.

Anyway, SNG may have been specifically targeted. I understand Steven had close contact with a very senior GA official. The recent change of guard in Shanghai may have been the trigger for his demise.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2082656]First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.

However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.

Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.

Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel?.[/QUOTE]I agree with this and wanted to add on top of that. I don't think they are targeting the clientele. Like it was said, there's hundreds of thousands of clients. I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl. Before the site went dead, the number of active girls reporting under judy was 14 (Hu Jing, Purple, Baby, Susan, Alisa (R), Pia, Tessa, Baobao, Tina, Daisy, Alia (R), Maria, Kiki, Malena). Though statuses might have changed, and I know Hu Jing is still free and Jessica is in jail. All the independent escort girls are still free as well.

It would be interesting if Boag can tell us of the 14 foreigners who got picked up; which girl they believed got them in jail. Gives a clue as well which girl is likely now in jail.

My guess is is as Boag11 said. They got onto Judy, followed her and her girls for awhile until they had hard evidence all her girls were escorts, also got to Steven & then started arresting them on Aug 31st.

But again, since it's not mid October yet; the police still can have more tricks up their sleeves. I would not do anything in Shanghai right now.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2082656]First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.


Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.[/QUOTE]

Don't apply USA laws to China. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't necessarily work in China. Obviously Judy kept a log or something saying SAMCAN was at the ritz. You have to use your real name because they call the hotel and call the desk and ask to be transferred to SAMCAN's room to ensure you are there. Too many guys have a girl come and don't use their name and are not there after the girl gets there.

If the police have a real name and a date, they can check cameras. I am sure a girl going to your room that was on the SNG Log to the hotel you went to would be enough to close the deal in China.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2082656]First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.

However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.

Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.

Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel? Perhaps this assumes that they will go to the same place that you arranged the meeting at? I guess they would need to check the details from Judy's phone and go to your exact hotel that you're staying in today? What if you're not in the same hotel / room anymore? Maybe they can look up information somehow via your phone number?

Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.[/QUOTE]For western standards yes, they would need more proof. But apparently not for Shanghai police. They questioned both parties and if inconsistencies arises then you will get more days in detention. As long as they get the statement they want from you or the girl then both will get detained. They also claimed at the beginning if you are truthful you will get a slap on the wrist, 10 days detention was the slap on the wrist. One person was told, if he rejected the girl and she left within 10-15 minutes then the LE wouldn't of bothered with him but since she stayed for much longer they took him in based on that alone.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2082879]Don't apply USA laws to China. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't necessarily work in China. Obviously Judy kept a log or something saying SAMCAN was at the ritz. You have to use your real name because they call the hotel and call the desk and ask to be transferred to SAMCAN's room to ensure you are there. Too many guys have a girl come and don't use their name and are not there after the girl gets there.

If the police have a real name and a date, they can check cameras. I am sure a girl going to your room that was on the SNG Log to the hotel you went to would be enough to close the deal in China.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree that the international rules of evidence don't apply here. But were they even relevant at all? Question did LE get confessions or admissions of guilt before releasing the people detained? I would be surprised if they didn't. If they got confessions or admissions, there was never a real need to establish a solid trail of evidence. This is the usual LE playbook all around the world. The confessions could then be used against the business operators. The people arrested may have been just supporting actors in a drama involving some bigger fish. The fact that they were only given administrative detention after all that effort also suggests that they were just bit players. Just guessing, of course.

I'm all about mongering while minimizing risk in every way possible.

If using Judy, here's what I do:

- use fake name.

- use untraceable phone no wechat account.

- do not reveal exact address. (I meet the girl on the street on arrival.).

These measures are not foolproof, but they minimize risk. Cops would have to question girl, and she'd have to remember I live in apartment 2301 (or is it 2203?).

Some guys brag to girl about where they work, even give her a business card. Not me. No unnecessary risk.

Glad to hear that the independents that were on SNG are still free.

Though even if someone never used Judy's hotline and went to the independents I would still be wary of considering oneself safe. What if the LE is looking to get more of SNG's girls to gather even more evidence?

If Judy's wechat and contacts are in the hands of LE why would they not also go after the freelancers advertising on SNG? I would feel pretty certain the freelancers were in contact with Judy and / or Steve to arrange fees so they could advertise on SNG, or even worse give them a commission.

It would just be more evidence and confessions they can use to build a case against Judy and Steven.

I would stay away from Shanghai if I had any contact with anyone associated with SNG.

This crackdown has proven to be dangerous and especially unpredictable. Seems like some posters, and even Steven on SNG, were certain contacting freelancers would be safe.

Where are they now?

This is China, The LE don't need real evidence to detain you. They just need to have any reason to believe you had something to do with it.

All I'm saying is, prepare for the worst. Over last few years all cities in China have gone through this "sex trade purge" and as far as I can tell the trade never returned in these places.

Be safe and if you have to stay in Shanghai then go for an airbnb or something like that. At least you might not have to register with the local police that way.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082113]Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days..[/QUOTE]Just curious, could you go over in more detail how they apprehended you? What time of the day was it? How much longer after the deed was it?

I am really surprised how naive some people are.

Just to emphasise: The PRC is a one party system police state. Just because Shanghai looks modern and like a global city, it isn't. People her do not enjoy real freedom and privacy, instead, they are under permanent surveillance. If one thing works in the PRC than it is LE. Unfortunately, LE is not so much taking care of real problems but rather focus on some horny guys who need to get a relieve. Nevertheless, as long as you don't have the permission to be jerked off from the very top level, you better do it by yourself.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082885]For western standards yes, they would need more proof. But apparently not for Shanghai police. They questioned both parties and if inconsistencies arises then you will get more days in detention. As long as they get the statement they want from you or the girl then both will get detained. They also claimed at the beginning if you are truthful you will get a slap on the wrist, 10 days detention was the slap on the wrist. One person was told, if he rejected the girl and she left within 10-15 minutes then the LE wouldn't of bothered with him but since she stayed for much longer they took him in based on that alone.[/QUOTE]LE can keep you up to 15 days as Administrative Detention to question you.

But past that they'll need evidence to charge you in order to keep you for a longer time.

Unless they found evidence (used condom with your DNA / the receiving party), or got you or the other party to admit, they can't charge you.

Very often they'll scam you saying that the other party already admited this, that if you cooperate they'll be more leniant. Some Japanese guy was asked when coming out of a MP what he had done and told that if he said the truth they'd be lenient. He said I just got a massage and HJ there... booom the shop was closed, all girls taken away for 15 days, the jap guy still got 10 days...

Truth is by admitting things you are only incriminating yourself.

It is also true that for mass events like these, they'll rarelly charge you and will use mostly the administrative detention as a standard punishment if its your first offense. And yeah, being 10 to 15 days in jail is already a big punishment and a complicated thing to explain to your employer or wife. Especially if they've been told why you were in jail by the police.

[QUOTE=Yeahm8;2083009]Just curious, could you go over in more detail how they apprehended you? What time of the day was it? How much longer after the deed was it?[/QUOTE]1 day after the deed, came at 2 am. Used security camera to see the girl coming and leaving and Judy's wechat.

Another question (sorry if it is stupid):

I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime?! Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?

And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?

I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.

What do you think pros?

Another question (sorry if it is stupid):

I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime? Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?

And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?

I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.

What do you think pros? Ich.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2083199]Another question (sorry if it is stupid):

I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime? Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?

And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?

I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.

What do you think pros? Ich.[/QUOTE]There is no such thing as a guarantee that you are safe, however, it's not forbidden date girls.

As I said; the PRC is kind of a police state. If they want to take you in, then you are fucked. Don't be naive, they know exactly how to inquire. Personally, I always stick to the law of the country I stay and never made experiences by doing so. But this Steven will face big trouble, lucky him that the capital penalty for arranging prostitution is no longer applied. But several years in prison up to a life sentence seems realistic if found guilty. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Lemurian;2083085]I am really surprised how naive some people are.[/QUOTE]We are all naive in some areas.

[QUOTE]Just to emphasise: The PRC is a one party system police state.[/QUOTE]It is also a 3 faction party, whose factions try to eliminate members of the other factions. There have been instances of planes exploding, PLA naval ships being fired at by other PLA vessels attempting to kill a senior leader, and poisonings. Under Pooh Bear's regime (and he has survived a number of assassination plots), he has used corruption charges to eliminate government officials who support rival factions (over a million have been disciplined in some way).

[QUOTE]Just because Shanghai looks modern and like a global city, it isn't. People her do not enjoy real freedom and privacy, instead, they are under permanent surveillance.[/QUOTE]Just like many countries, but over the past few years, the measures in China have become more draconian and been aided by greedy American corporations willing to do anything that might help them get a bigger slice of the gigantic Chinese pie. For example, American software companies handing over all their source code to the CCP. There are many, many more examples.

[QUOTE] If one thing works in the PRC than it is LE. Unfortunately, LE is not so much taking care of real problems but rather focus on some horny guys who need to get a relieve.[/QUOTE]I have no real criticism of the LE. Their 'focus' is partly determined at the provincial level whose Party Secretary may very well have his own agenda. And ever hear of the "3 Vices Campaign", sometimes referred to as the Great Yanda? Prostitution is only one of those 3 'vices' that is being targeted to cut the cash flow and facilitate corruption charges against Pooh Bear's opponents (mainly the Jiang Zemin Shanghai Faction rather than the China Youth League faction).

The case of SNG is unusual. I witnessed the takedown of the mongering scene in Shenzhen and Dongguan, and read of the demise of other cities in the south. During these periods, I have never heard of police examining an agent's records and days later going to hotels or apartments to detain foreigners for the crime' of having invited a visitor. They probably only needed the hotels' video recordings to verify the room number.

One last thought. Just imagine the mongering scene in China today if Bo Xilai rather than Xi Jinping had been appointed Chairman in 2012!

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2083186] if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?[/QUOTE]What will they do? Noone knows.

What can they do? They can follow you and the girl from the bar to the hotel. Ask the hotel security for access to CCTV to discretly determine which room both of you went in. And then wait for the "perfect moment" to break in and arrest the both of you.

Deport the girl and blacklist her visa for 5 years if she's a foreigner.

Is it common? Not that much in Shanghai, more common in Beijing in the past but has been done in the past in Shanghai too back in the expo days and mainly for 3* hotels. In Beijing there were many events shown on TV of Russian WG being followed from the bar to the hotel in 2011 anti yellow fever or however they called it campaign, .

For sake of clarity on the likelihood of "getting in trouble", the only genuine cases (not speculation) that we've heard of customers getting detained are:

A) During the time the police controlled Judy's phone or trailed some SNL girls (from late August), you contacted Judy or SNL girl, agreed on an arrangement, and went through with the service and you're in a hotel where there is security camera evidence of woman coming in and out of your room.

Appears that you can get detained anywhere from zero to 14 days after the deed. Even longer than that, it's not clear yet.

So far I've yet to hear any real evidence of people getting detained if:

1) You moved to a different location since you did the deed.

2) You arranged a meeting, did the deed, but the hotel did not have security camera evidence.

3) You made inquiries to Judy but didn't arrange a meeting.

4) You arranged a meeting with another manager (not Judy).

5) You arranged a meeting with someone at Judy's, Manhattans, etc.

6) You got a he at a massage parlor that still allows it.

**This is not to say that you can't in trouble if you do the above, but we haven't heard anything concrete yet. If you have, please report it so we can safeguard ourselves.

As others mentioned, it's simply not safe in Shanghai. It's probably best to stay away from everything until things become more clear.

Although Judy / Manhattan's seem safe, I'm concerned that the police has some of those girls as bait. I don't want to scare anybody off, but if the police are continuing to escalate things, then we should expect more tricks.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2080234]I checked it out. It's 590 rmb for non members. And there were no extras. But maybe I got unlucky with a nervous provider. Massage wasn't great either. Waste of money and 2 hours.[/QUOTE]I got a great massage. Worked from fingers to toes. They gave me the member special too. Your math is correct A tad expensive perhaps. But great massage. And really nice girl. I guess ymmv.

I am not an expert on China massage. But I have yet to not get a he with a massage in China. I've gone to probably 15 places and they all provided at least a handjob. At varying prices. They all upsell when you are vulnerable.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2072623]
Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.[/QUOTE]I guess this warning from a month ago wasn't so far from the truth after all.

[QUOTE=MArcade;2082866]I agree with this and wanted to add on top of that. I don't think they are targeting the clientele. Like it was said, there's hundreds of thousands of clients. I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl. Before the site went dead, the number of active girls reporting under judy was 14 (Hu Jing, Purple, Baby, Susan, Alisa (R), Pia, Tessa, Baobao, Tina, Daisy, Alia (R), Maria, Kiki, Malena). Though statuses might have changed, and I know Hu Jing is still free and Jessica is in jail. All the independent escort girls are still free as well.

It would be interesting if Boag can tell us of the 14 foreigners who got picked up; which girl they believed got them in jail. Gives a clue as well which girl is likely now in jail.

My guess is is as Boag11 said. They got onto Judy, followed her and her girls for awhile until they had hard evidence all her girls were escorts, also got to Steven & then started arresting them on Aug 31st.

But again, since it's not mid October yet; the police still can have more tricks up their sleeves. I would not do anything in Shanghai right now.[/QUOTE]I won't give you the names of the Chinese girls that were detained because I feel it isn't fair for them. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] There were either 5 or 6 of Judy's Chinese girls there and 1 were released for sure and maybe another one but 100% not sure, don't know the reason but I am 100% sure at least one was released.

[QUOTE=MArcade;2082866]I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is true. When they picked up me they already had the girl I was with as well as Judy and her laptops and phones. They got the camera for me I am pretty sure.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2083512]I don't think that is true. When they picked up me they already had the girl I was with as well as Judy and her laptops and phones. They got the camera for me I am pretty sure.[/QUOTE]The admissions of guilt from everyone arrested will likely be used against the people that LE regards as the "kingpins", aka Stephen and Judy. In fact, even Stephen and Judy might not have been the real targets. It could be the officials who were paid off. If the customers arrested were not actually shown the hotel videos, LE may not have even bothered to get them. All LE needed were the admissions of guilt. To get those admissions, they can say anything, including claims of having videos, DNA evidence, surveillance from satellites, etc, and an offer to let everyone off easily if they admit guilt. It would have worked the same way in most cities in the world.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2082113]Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.

As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.

GL.[/QUOTE]Now that you have done the 10 - 15 days detention, will your visa be blacklisted for some time? I thought that was the standard.

Also, how do you know the raids will go on into November? Did the LE tell you?

First off, sorry to hear about your ordeal and thankful for you sharing it with us.

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind. I'm just curious as to where LE picked you up from. Is it from the current hotel you are staying in? Is it the same hotel where you did the deed? While you were detained, did they go through your phone?

I don't think the johns were collateral if LE went out of their way to pick up the johns and detain them. To be honest, I'm a bit worried considering that I've had previous conversations with saunas on wechat and qq. Granted, they don't have my addy but knowing I exist as a client gives me the chills.

[QUOTE=FiftyShades;2083696][b]Who was the real target?[/b]
The admissions of guilt from everyone arrested will likely be used against the people that LE regards as the "kingpins", aka Stephen and Judy. In fact, even Stephen and Judy might not have been the real targets. It could be the officials who were paid off. {S N I P} [/QUOTE]I have just one question: "How may other Shanghai escort agencies were targeted and their websites shut down in the past few weeks?" I think that I know the answer!

BTW Steven has posted on ISG that he had a close 'friend' who was high up in the force, and, that he also had an escape plan. Here's hoping!

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2083186]Another question (sorry if it is stupid):

if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?
What do you think pros?[/QUOTE]A few years ago, I brought a girl to my hotel. She had been to the same Hotel earlier that evening and registered to another guest. (which I did not know). The hotel told me she was already registered to another room. If I chose to register and bring her to my room, they were required to call the police. Luckily they told me, I am sure there was no need for them to tell me. They may have actually been doing something they shouldn't do as they were keeping me out of trouble. I can imagine under current conditions, they would not want to be involved and may call the cops after I headed to my room with her.

For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:

1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.

2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.

3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.

4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.

But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.

Do you think the situation will become as in good old times again after the see meeting?

How situation may be in November, more relaxing?

This question is addressed to members who made this experience of crackdowns in the past already.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2083834]For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:

1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.

2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.

3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.

4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.

But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.[/QUOTE]If they got Steven, who was working an excort website, then why not Rain? And besides, Rain is mentally unstable. If you contact her, then I suggest that you don't use a registered number or identifying email or anything that can be traced back to you. She has no problem outing you.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2083869]If they got Steven, who was working an excort website, then why not Rain? And besides, Rain is mentally unstable. If you contact her, then I suggest that you don't use a registered number or identifying email or anything that can be traced back to you. She has no problem outing you.[/QUOTE]Got any more information about rain outing someone? PM me if you want.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2083834]For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:

1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.

2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.

3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.

4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.

But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.[/QUOTE]Just got a few messages on Wechat that some of the sauna open recently. Do not know if it is true. Just FYI. You may check you if you still has the Wechat connection.

Jb.

It was mentioned a couple of months back in this thread. You can search.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2083880]Got any more information about rain outing someone? PM me if you want.[/QUOTE]

I would proceed with extreme caution. As others have mentioned, these saunas are probably reopening because they need the money, not because it's safe again.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2083937]Just got a few messages on Wechat that some of the sauna open recently. Do not know if it is true. Just FYI. You may check you if you still has the Wechat connection.

Jb.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobSH;2084161]It was mentioned a couple of months back in this thread. You can search.[/QUOTE]Yes I've read the posts about it but since I was not in shanghai during that time and had been deleted by Rain I don't know the details. But only reason I ask is because I have a weird feeling it might be me LOL.

I'm going to be in China in November. Will be staying at either the Shangri-La or the Fairmont Peace Hotel. Are these hotels OK for me to bring in "guests"?

What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.

I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.

I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.

They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money.

Personally, I think it's wrong for Manhattan to take advantage of the girls during this scary time, and I don't want to have to pay more or want the girls to make less than they're worth.

Take it FWIW, but my regulars are all now at Judy's. I believe them and doesn't hurt to check out the scene at Judy's to confirm the move. If you're a senior member and want some connects, PM me.

What do you think, how safe are the incalls at Craigslist and similar pages at these times?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HawaiiBoi;2084413]What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.

I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.
PM me.[/QUOTE]Can anyone else confirm this? This would make no sense. A good part (if not all) of Manhattan draw is the girls. With JUdy's 2 blocks away, it would be obvious for the girls to go down the street.

Personally, I have always preferred (the old) Judy's. The girls were more fun and seemed less focused on money. The last time I went in March however, it seemed the girls at Judy's were on average a notch below Manhattans. I still found most of my gems there and brought them home.

Hi,

This is my first time traveling to Shanghai, so I do not know the situation around Shanghai right now. I was wondering how safe is it to use one of the Classified Ad link to call an escort (links like [URL]http://www.shanghai-escorts.com/[/URL] or [URL]http://www.escort-shanghai.org/index.php/contact[/URL]). If they are not safe with the police raidings, are there any alternatives?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HawaiiBoi;2084413]What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.

I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.

I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.

They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money..[/QUOTE]I prefer the layout of Judy's and its vibe. However, always thought that there is a clear difference between the top tier ladies at Manhattan vs. Judy's in terms of looks. If this evens out, Judy's is actually preferable as the male crowd and servers at Manhattan are more annoying.

Places are close enough such that maybe I'll suck it up and just go between both bars whenever I'm there. Thanks for the intel!

[QUOTE=HawaiiBoi;2084413]What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.

I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.

I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.

They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money.

Personally, I think it's wrong for Manhattan to take advantage of the girls during this scary time, and I don't want to have to pay more or want the girls to make less than they're worth.

Take it FWIW, but my regulars are all now at Judy's. I believe them and doesn't hurt to check out the scene at Judy's to confirm the move. If you're a senior member and want some connects, PM me.[/QUOTE]Can't pm you.

Was in SH one night on the 8/30, already knew about the situation. I was so looking forward to saunas as I had few experiences before when I was living there. So despite the situation, I added a lot of wechat / QQ contacts to see if I can get anything set up. Came across this person saything they are open, so off I went. It was so far, the opposite direction of the disney line and second last stop, so it took me like more than an HR on the subway. The location was like border line just a bit outside of SH so maybe that's why they dare to open.

However it wasn't what I expected, the location was a hotel in a pretty empty building instead of a sauna. I still managed to get my business done. When I was picking the girls, a lot refused me. Later on when I talked to the girl I was with, and learned that police came by earlier, that was why some of the ladies refused to do business. Though the lady said the pimp indicated that the police was searching for drug addict instead, anyway I felt creepy hearing this so I finished my session quick and hopped onto a private cab and make my way back to the hotel.

I had another legit contact of a sauna where my friends were customers, I contacted them and learned that they can offer service if I go to their designated hotel and tell them the girl I want and they'll send it. I didn't go with this because I wanted to be able to pick girls right on the spot. FYI.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2084612]Can anyone else confirm this? This would make no sense. A good part (if not all) of Manhattan draw is the girls. With JUdy's 2 blocks away, it would be obvious for the girls to go down the street.

Personally, I have always preferred (the old) Judy's. The girls were more fun and seemed less focused on money. The last time I went in March however, it seemed the girls at Judy's were on average a notch below Manhattans. I still found most of my gems there and brought them home.[/QUOTE]One thing I can confirm is the mistreatment of the girls. During my Manhanttan days (at least two years ago), I had personally seen them throwing girls out. This normally happened when the bar got too crowded, the manager with that short bob haircut would walk around with one of those laser type flashlight and flashed randomly at the girls. Bouncers or bartender types walking behind her would then send the selected girls out the door, sometimes yanking them roughly by the arm.

I spoke with a few of the WG's to find out it happened frequently on a nightly basis. Usually they picked out girls who did not have a drink in their hand or were not hanging out with any customers. There were times when a customer would speak up for a certain girl, this helped. To get around this, the WG's either had to befriend that manager, buy their own drinks, get the customers to buy them drinks, or keep an eye out for "Bobby". Whenever she made her rounds around the bar with a couple of guys behind her, move to the other side of the bar.

No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.

[QUOTE=Boag11;2084683]Can't pm you.[/QUOTE]Sorry, had to renew my annual subscription. PM should be working now.

[QUOTE=Jasiv3;2084809]Was in SH one night on the 8/30, already knew about the situation. I was so looking forward to saunas as I had few experiences before when I was living there. So despite the situation, I added a lot of wechat / QQ contacts to see if I can get anything set up. Came across this person saything they are open, so off I went. It was so far, the opposite direction of the disney line and second last stop, so it took me like more than an HR on the subway. The location was like border line just a bit outside of SH so maybe that's why they dare to open.

However it wasn't what I expected, the location was a hotel in a pretty empty building instead of a sauna. I still managed to get my business done. When I was picking the girls, a lot refused me. Later on when I talked to the girl I was with, and learned that police came by earlier, that was why some of the ladies refused to do business. Though the lady said the pimp indicated that the police was searching for drug addict instead, anyway I felt creepy hearing this so I finished my session quick and hopped onto a private cab and make my way back to the hotel.

I had another legit contact of a sauna where my friends were customers, I contacted them and learned that they can offer service if I go to their designated hotel and tell them the girl I want and they'll send it. I didn't go with this because I wanted to be able to pick girls right on the spot. FYI.[/QUOTE]At this time, any sauna claiming they have reopened are operating in this manner. The saunas are NOT open. They call this Waimai, as in take out service. They rented several rooms or a whole floor in a local cheap hotel and operate out of there. Guys, this is dangerous. Even more risky than going to the saunas themselves.

Haomen, the biggest sauna on Quyang Lu tried this. Moved their operations down the road to a Hanting hotel, they got busted. Videos of this is on the internet. If you want to go this route, get the girls to come to your hotel.

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2084844]No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for hearing me out.

To answer NRock and Arizona123, I was only shown a newly formed group chat of (at a glance) 20 of the Manhattan girls "boycotting" Manhattan. Their conversation was in Vietnamese, so I don't know all the details of what was said.

Charging the girls is new, and seemed to start about the same time as the city-wide crack down. That's why I said I really don't think it's right for the bar to leverage the current situation to make money off the ladies. The bar knows that there are fewer options available to the ladies to quickly find customers and try to make their minimum quota for the night.

I have personally had chats when some of them were kicked out, and when the entrance fee started. When they were kicked out some of the ladies would still try to wait outside and find help to get in (or sneak in). But if caught then they were again pushed out unless a customer stood up for them. When the fee's started, some of them didn't know what to do and would stand outside for a bit, before giving up and trying someplace else.

The hard part for the ladies is if all the good customers and larger crowd go to Manhattan, then of course that's where they want to be. I told them wherever the good girls go, we will eventually find out and follow. The hard part is getting the word out quick enough, so I agreed to post here.

Some of the ladies have already started to leave Shanghai due to the overall situation. I don't want to see them leave, but it could be safer for them anyway.

Not asking anyone to take my word for it, as Judy's' is just down the street. But, if you are so compelled and are able to spread the word on other sites (especially Chinese since I can't do Chinese), please do so.

Look at it this way too, if you check out Judy's' and the hot ones are there, but not many guys then you have better selection for yourself!

Other option is if you have direct contact or know someone who does, the ladies are usually open to introducing their friends from trusted acquaintances.

One last personal comment, times are tough right now. Be fair and don't waste their time, please. It sucks when my date is late or in a bad mood when she gets to me! Take care of them and they will for sure take care of you (yea I'm a bit of a softy, but we're are more fortunate than them).

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2084844]No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.[/QUOTE]Thanks all for hearing me out.

To answer NRock and Arizona123, I was only shown a newly formed group chat of (at a glance) 20 of the Manhattan girls "boycotting" Manhattan. Their conversation was in Vietnamese, so I don't know all the details of what was said.

Charging the girls is new, and seemed to start about the same time as the city-wide crackdown. That's why I said I really don't think it's right for the bar to leverage the current situation to make money off the ladies. The bar knows that there are fewer options available to the ladies to quickly find customers and try to make their minimum quota for the night.

I have personally had chats when some of them were kicked out, and when the entrance fee started. When they were kicked out some of the ladies would still try to wait outside and find help to get in (or sneak in). But if caught then they were again pushed out unless a customer stood up for them. When the fee's started, some of them didn't know what to do and would stand outside for a bit, before giving up and trying someplace else.

The hard part for the ladies is if all the good customers and larger crowd go to Manhattan, then of course that's where they want to be. I told them wherever the good girls go, we will eventually find out and follow. The hard part is getting the word out quick enough, so I agreed to post here.

Some of the ladies have already started to leave Shanghai due to the overall situation. I don't want to see them leave (especially my favs), but it could be safer for them anyway.

Not asking anyone to take my word for it, as Judy's' is just down the street. But, if you are so compelled and are able to spread the word on other sites (especially Chinese since I can't do Chinese), please do so.

Look at it this way too, if you check out Judy's' and the hot ones are there, but not many guys then you have better selection for yourself!

Other option is if you have direct contact or know someone who does, the ladies are usually open to introducing their friends from trusted acquaintances.

One last personal comment, times are tough right now. Be fair and don't waste their time, please. It sucks when my date is late or in a bad mood when she gets to me! Take care of them and they will for sure take care of you (yea I'm a bit of a softy, but we're are more fortunate than them).

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2084848]At this time, any sauna claiming they have reopened are operating in this manner. The saunas are NOT open. They call this Waimai, as in take out service. They rented several rooms or a whole floor in a local cheap hotel and operate out of there. Guys, this is dangerous. Even more risky than going to the saunas themselves.

Haomen, the biggest sauna on Quyang Lu tried this. Moved their operations down the road to a Hanting hotel, they got busted. Videos of this is on the internet. If you want to go this route, get the girls to come to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. My favorite sauna has been trying to entice me to a hotel, where they say they now operste. It's too risky. Under normal circumstances, odds of getting busted is, what, 1/1000. Now maybe 1/20. I won't take the chance. But I'd have the girl come to me (with certain precautions).

[QUOTE=Arizona123;2084844]One thing I can confirm is the mistreatment of the girls. During my Manhanttan days (at least two years ago), I had personally seen them throwing girls out. This normally happened when the bar got too crowded, the manager with that short bob haircut would walk around with one of those laser type flashlight and flashed randomly at the girls. Bouncers or bartender types walking behind her would then send the selected girls out the door, sometimes yanking them roughly by the arm.

I spoke with a few of the WG's to find out it happened frequently on a nightly basis. Usually they picked out girls who did not have a drink in their hand or were not hanging out with any customers. There were times when a customer would speak up for a certain girl, this helped. To get around this, the WG's either had to befriend that manager, buy their own drinks, get the customers to buy them drinks, or keep an eye out for "Bobby". Whenever she made her rounds around the bar with a couple of guys behind her, move to the other side of the bar.

No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.[/QUOTE]I don't want to take the bar's side here, but one thing to keep in mind is that there are fire code regulations about the maximum number of people allowed in bars of a given size. You mention that girls were kicked out when the bar was too crowded. If there is a crackdown going on, overcrowding is an easy violation to use for LE to shut down a bar. I know that has been done elsewhere. If the bar is too full, it would not be too surprising if they kicked out the girls without drinks, etc, rather than making a random selection. I don't know if that is what is going on here, but it is a possible factor.

[QUOTE=TravelFirst81;2081374]With SNG down and BP / Cracker is my only source, I will try to contact.

Sandy [URL]http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/real-sexy-yoga-cosplay-girl-sandy-86-158-2131-5332-fullfil-your-wildest-fantasies/6887648[/URL].

Coco [URL]http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/100-genuine-independant-coco-open-clean-discrete-and-waiting-for-you/6887593[/URL].

Will check out and report either one of them or both. If someone already have review for both please advise and share some info.

TF.[/QUOTE]Be aware:

When booking Coco you will not get the girl in the pictures. I unfortunately have some first hand experience. It's not the same girl with some P.S, it's a completely different girl.

As the girl that showed up was still relatively cute and it was late, I still went for it. However 1600 for a mediocre massage, blowjob with cover and only one shot is not really worth it.

Let us know if you had a better experience with Sandy.

[QUOTE=Houzi;2085262]Be aware:

When booking Coco you will not get the girl in the pictures. I unfortunately have some first hand experience. It's not the same girl with some P.S, it's a completely different girl.

As the girl that showed up was still relatively cute and it was late, I still went for it. However 1600 for a mediocre massage, blowjob with cover and only one shot is not really worth it.

Let us know if you had a better experience with Sandy.[/QUOTE]Actually both are from the same agency Fantasy. Massage. Shanghai. Not same person show up but cute enough. Minimal English, only CBJ. The interesting part is they have The Day offer from their website. 1000 from 7 am to 4 pm but trust me 90% from that time, only for sleeping. It's like to pay to watch them sleeping. Got Tina from that offer, from 9 hrs, she sleep for 6 hrs, from 9 am until 3 pm, 1 hrs for massage. 30 minutes for CBJ. No DATY. No DFK. Nothing. Avoid it.

I personally don't think theres anything wrong with a few of the girls being booted from the bar. It isn't as if they are being physically or mentally abused by the bar. Theres nothing wrong with bar asking non-patrons to leave. Granted, the girls are a portion of what draws the customers in but asking a few floaters to leave is well within reason. It could be because of fire safety reasons just as someone previously mentioned or it could just be because management wants to for no other reasons. Judy's is right down the block, I'm sure the bar has that in mind so I'm sure they know what they are doing.

As for the bar asking the girls for a fee, I wouldn't say its an unjust request. Its probably more a matter of the amount they ask for. Bear in mind that the girls don't have commission for pushing drinks. Whereas the bars across from the Hilton is the opposite. From a different perspective, If I owned a bar and there were WG's using my place to find clientele without my establishment gaining anything aside from regular drink sales, I'd be a bit sour about it. Another possibility of asking the girls for a fee is the recent situation in shanghai and the bar having to give a bigger payoff to local LE for being able to stay open.

From a monger's standpoint, of course I'd rather stay in a place where I can pick and choose from the best of a lot instead of running between bars but thus the life of a horny bastid.

K.

Hi all,

Was in Shanghai last week.

Went to both Manhattan and Judy's. I went on both weekend and weekdays.

Even though MH has more girls I found that girls in Judy's are way hotter.

Just my opinion. Why don't you guys check it out for yourself.

Red.

I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.

I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.

The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.

Dquick.

[QUOTE=DQuick;2085634]I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.

I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.

The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.

Dquick.[/QUOTE]This year, however, the crackdown is a lot worse than before, due to the National Congress of the Communist Party on Oct 18th. It is not guaranteed the situation will return to normal after that. Some have compared what happened in August to the crackdown in Dongguan a few years ago. The only way to know if it is safe or not is if there are more raids after Oct 18th. So to play it safe, I would advise refraining from hobbying until November.

I'll be headed into Shanghai next week. I have been following the forum on the latest with the unfortunate news of SNG. There were some posts saying the girls that ran as SNG Independents (not through Judy) are still out and about. Has anyone contacted and seen any of the SNG Independents since everything went down? I'd be interested in any reports.

I have some contact details but the girl I contacted is responding with single word posts. Her last album post on WC was September 12.

[QUOTE=DQuick;2085634]I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.[/QUOTE]You are confusing this site with another one.

[QUOTE=DQuick;2085634]
I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.

The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.[/QUOTE]You can wait till after the first week of October but its very unlikely things will be back to normal at that time.

Even many veggie massage places are now limited in their operations (either you can't shower or you can only get same sex practicians to massage you or else they're no longer allowed to do oil massage, etc.).

Noone:

A/ has a real idea of the timing at which things will start somehow getting back to normal end of the October meeting (which starts on the 18th) being the most repeated timeframe. But who knows.

B/ is really sure of how "as before" things will really get back to. Only the veggie places are guaranted of a back to normal situation (just don't know when).

Hello Guyz,

I'm coming to Shanghai next week for a business trip & will be staying in Pudong Road area.

I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.

I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?

Looking forward to hear from you.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers. .

[QUOTE=Troy2008;2086344]I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.
.[/QUOTE]Are you dense? Did you really RTFF? The sauna mongering climate is not good.

[QUOTE=Troy2008;2086344]

I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?
.[/QUOTE]An independent is not going to replicate a sauna experience. But if you do use an independent and you cannot use your hotel room, then just book a short-time hotel, such as a Hotel 168. It'll only set you back 100 rmb.

Yes, many of them are still in Shanghai and are seeing clients. So are you looking for someone in particular?. These gals are on WC to book dates not to chat with you. So if you want to meet other SNG girls you should just book the one gal you know and ask her to bring a second girl. Then book directly with her and ask her to bring a second girl etc.

[QUOTE=HereICome;2085990]I'll be headed into Shanghai next week. I have been following the forum on the latest with the unfortunate news of SNG. There were some posts saying the girls that ran as SNG Independents (not through Judy) are still out and about. Has anyone contacted and seen any of the SNG Independents since everything went down? I'd be interested in any reports.

I have some contact details but the girl I contacted is responding with single word posts. Her last album post on WC was September 12.[/QUOTE]

For your own sake and safety READ the forum. Right now the heat is on in Shanghai. I would not go to a sauna if it were free. LE is all over the place. Oil massages are risky and others have been arrested for using Wechat to set up a P4 P date. The only safe way to play in Shanghai is contact a regular who YOU know or go to a bar like Judy's and pick up a Viet girl. The latter too is not without risk as she may be required to register at your hotel. One never knows where that information goes. If caught, you could get 15 days of detention.

Before you assume such risks, read the posts from Boag11 on or about 9-13. Shanghai right now is a mongering nightmare so proceed with extreme caution. And NEVER go with a tout.

AL.

[QUOTE=Troy2008;2086344]Hello Guyz,

I'm coming to Shanghai next week for a business trip & will be staying in Pudong Road area.

I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.

I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?

Looking forward to hear from you.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers. .[/QUOTE]

For those looking for alternatives in Jiangsu this chinese site offers various places (don't ask me for recommandations, I never used it): [URL]http://www.jsywsh.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=AsianLover;2086762]For your own sake and safety READ the forum. Right now the heat is on in Shanghai. I would not go to a sauna if it were free. LE is all over the place. Oil massages are risky and others have been arrested for using Wechat to set up a P4 P date. The only safe way to play in Shanghai is contact a regular who YOU know or go to a bar like Judy's and pick up a Viet girl. The latter too is not without risk as she may be required to register at your hotel. One never knows where that information goes. If caught, you could get 15 days of detention.

Before you assume such risks, read the posts from Boag11 on or about 9-13. Shanghai right now is a mongering nightmare so proceed with extreme caution. And NEVER go with a tout.

AL.[/QUOTE]Great advice. I would just add don't reveal your real name or hotel room over wechat. Meet them out front, or better yet, lobby of nextdoor hotel. I take them in through the garage so no registration. Not perfect, but I'm all about minimizing risk.

I just got a last minute assignment in Shanghai staying at the Quanji Hotel in the same building as SiYuan hope they are still open for business.

Originally planned to stay at Bodi, but they are apparently fully booked this weekend.

Haven't followed the forum for quite some time, so I guess a lot of my past knowledge is no longer applicable.

OK, I can cobfirm SiYuan is closed with a sign that says waterpipe malfunction.

Will try my luck at Bodi.

Bodi Sauna is also out.

Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.

The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.

Bummer.

I tried my luck again at the Xinghewan Resort and Club.

I have not actually been to. The club but I heard good things as recent as last year.

But neither the hotel or club house staff were helpful claiming the spa is under renovation.

I must not have the secret handshake or password of sorts.

As a general rule I don't like to bring ladies to my hotel so I guess I am out of luck tonight.

Guess I came at a really bad time to stop by Shanghai, at least in Hefei I know establishments that are open for business.

Even though girl selection or service standard is way below what I was accustomed to. In Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Carage;2087085]I tried my luck again at the Xinghewan Resort and Club.

<snip>
Guess I came at a really bad time to stop by Shangha....[/QUOTE]Indeed! Just read the last few pages of this forum.

[QUOTE=Carage;2087056]Bodi Sauna is also out.

Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.

The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.

Bummer.[/QUOTE]Hum I suggest you reread our posts below because you're just wasting your time.

Shanghai is on total lock down. There are places which open from time to time but going there is like playing the russian roulette because its highly possible you'll end up in detention.

[QUOTE=Carage;2087056]Bodi Sauna is also out.

Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.

The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.

Bummer.[/QUOTE]I posted earlier in the year complete information about the closure of Bodi. I will be going to Shanghai the end of October, and will likely just check out the well known clubs, and see what the action is like. It's too bad because the spas in Shanghai are / were awesome.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2087132]I posted earlier in the year complete information about the closure of Bodi. I will be going to Shanghai the end of October, and will likely just check out the well known clubs, and see what the action is like. It's too bad because the spas in Shanghai are / were awesome.[/QUOTE]Sorry I haven't been following the forum for awhile so I did not know Bodi is gone.

The spas in Shanghai were really fun back then, I will miss these fine establishments.

Heck I even dug up my old membership card from 999 (which I know is gone for awhile) in case I needed to prove to the bouncers at Bodi / SiYuan that I am an old customer.

On a side note, I was approached by pimps / touts at my hotel as well as the Intercontinental right across the street.

Judging by their interaction with the hotel staff, I think it is probably safe to assume the hotel management is probably turning a blind eye.

Heck, one of the touts were actually a 8. 5 in my book that I almost responded with something along the lines of how about you.

But I also heard too many bait and switch turns into extortion stories besides I simply don't feel comfortable bringing working girls to where I stay.

Fellow mongers,

I will be visiting Shanghai for the 1st time in a few weeks. Any advice for incall massage places? I don't know where to look.

It is too bad because Bodi was the best. Nice sauna room, big jacuzzi, provided beers, relaxing atmosphere, and I still have such fond memories of Miss 964.

Will be in Shanghai in a few months. Obviously been tracking the sauna scenario, but I have not seen anyone mention KTVs as part of the crackdown. Should we turn towards that as a viable option (outside of Manhattan / Judy's)?

Not sure how real this video is (or the information above each person): [URL]https://www.facebook.com/ShanghaiExpat/videos/1661013780637061/[/URL].

But one could easily imagine such facial-recognition technology already in widespread use in China. Do we now need to wear hats and large sunglasses when hobbying?

[QUOTE=NRock;2087486]Will be in Shanghai in a few months. Obviously been tracking the sauna scenario, but I have not seen anyone mention KTVs as part of the crackdown. Should we turn towards that as a viable option (outside of Manhattan / Judy's)?[/QUOTE]Some KTVs have / had restrictions placed on them by the managers / owners. You will not be allowed to take girls out directly from the establishment and some are / were closing earlier to avoid the crackdown. This news is almost a month old and so I am not sure what the current circumstance is like. My source is someone working at a KTV.

With that said, you can get the girls wechat and work something out on the girls own time.

Puritanism will not last. Good luck on trying to outlaw human desire. Until then, I will take my mongering elsewhere.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2087697]Puritanism will not last. Good luck on trying to outlaw human desire. Until then, I will take my mongering elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Most important is we make decisions based on facts on the ground. In most of the USA, you have an irrationally oppressive legal framework toward prostitution. Let's see where Shanghai is during 2nd half of Oct.

Hello,

I'm in shanghai for one weeks with some friends.

We are looking for a place were we can have a special massage.

Can you advice us.

It seems very hard to find today!

Of course we will do a report after.

Thanks guys!

[QUOTE=RobSH;2087636]Not sure how real this video is (or the information above each person): [URL]https://www.facebook.com/ShanghaiExpat/videos/1661013780637061/[/URL].

But one could easily imagine such facial-recognition technology already in widespread use in China. Do we now need to wear hats and large sunglasses when hobbying?[/QUOTE]It seems to be the recognition system for self driving cars.

[QUOTE=Bobib;2087943]Hello,

I'm in shanghai for one weeks with some friends.

We are looking for a place were we can have a special massage.

Can you advice us.

It seems very hard to find today!

Of course we will do a report after.

Thanks guys![/QUOTE]OMG! . Read the f. Cking forum, dude, and not only the last page. You then will find out why.

Lev.

What I ask all the time since I've heared from crackdowns and cleaning shanghai, why especially Shanghai? There will be national conference in Oct in Beijing. I might understand if they will clean up Beijing, because all will concentrate on this city. And what is with other famous cities in China are they crackdowned as well in this way?

And is it usual that everything come calmer after the conference and will go back to its usual Shanghai reputation?

[QUOTE=Presario1626;2087994]It seems to be the recognition system for self driving cars.[/QUOTE]It is a demo of a system under development for object recognition and tracking. The real-life system would not show all the tags on the screen. Typically used to locate a person or object by a description (such as European monger wearing blue short-sleeved shirt and long black trousers last seen escaping the XXXX sauna etc. Haha). These systems will become increasingly sophisticated over the next couple of years. I was interested to not that the system was even able to identify (belatedly) the person partially obscured by the traffic sign. Not bad!

There are already many systems that recognise suspicious or violent behaviour of people from video surveillance cameras.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2088124]What I ask all the time since I've heared from crackdowns and cleaning shanghai, why especially Shanghai? There will be national conference in Oct in Beijing. I might understand if they will clean up Beijing, because all will concentrate on this city. And what is with other famous cities in China are they crackdowned as well in this way?

And is it usual that everything come calmer after the conference and will go back to its usual Shanghai reputation?[/QUOTE]Here is the conspiracy theory version.

Shanghai traditionally has been Jiang territory.

If Emperor Xi is to solidify his position during the 19th conference, Jiang gang. Will be purged.

Currently the easiest way to nail Jiang appointed officials is over some minor corruption charges.

So the officials in Shanghai won't give him any excuses.

If you know Chinese, any taxi driver csn cone up with this.

Whether its true or not, who knows.

A double-edged sword for sure.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ikksman;2088246]It is a demo of a system under development for object recognition and tracking. The real-life system would not show all the tags on the screen. Typically used to locate a person or object by a description (such as European monger wearing blue short-sleeved shirt and long black trousers last seen escaping the XXXX sauna etc. Haha). These systems will become increasingly sophisticated over the next couple of years. I was interested to not that the system was even able to identify (belatedly) the person partially obscured by the traffic sign. Not bad!

There are already many systems that recognise suspicious or violent behaviour of people from video surveillance cameras.

Ikks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Levitian;2088085]OMG! . Read the f. Cking forum, dude, and not only the last page. You then will find out why.

Lev.[/QUOTE]No, Bobib, I am not rude, rtff is a common expression, here. If you would have read the last 5 - 10 last pages, you probably would have realized that it is not a good time to ask such a question.

Got it?

Lev.

Just was asked by one of my regulars to come and see her in the massage parlor she is working at. Are things improving? I am still not convinced and will stay away for another while.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;2088640]Just was asked by one of my regulars to come and see her in the massage parlor she is working at. Are things improving? I am still not convinced and will stay away for another while.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Walking around, I still see a lot of places with yellow tape over the doors. If things were easing up, I'd expect they'd re-open. It's funny actually. Now we know where all the good places to go are, once they reopen .

I was noticing also, that some of my contacts, who have been totally quiet for 1,5 months have woken in WC. Might it be police catching their accounts or is it real improvement? Time will show, but I won't be the first in the testing row.

[QUOTE=Levitian;2088640]Just was asked by one of my regulars to come and see her in the massage parlor she is working at. Are things improving? I am still not convinced and will stay away for another while.

Lev.[/QUOTE]

Hey,

So I know that this forum isn't exactly for this reason, but having moved from a country where stash (Hash, MJ) was in abundance, been quite sober since I got to Shanghai. Any suggestions as to where I could possibly source the same?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=JCoulson;2088777]Hey,

So I know that this forum isn't exactly for this reason, but having moved from a country where stash (Hash, MJ) was in abundance, been quite sober since I got to Shanghai. Any suggestions as to where I could possibly source the same?

Cheers![/QUOTE]You're right this is not the topic of this board. Nor should it be.

BTW good job at having made 0 contributions and always asking for help in your 2 years on this board.

[QUOTE=Levitian;2088640]Just was asked by one of my regulars to come and see her in the massage parlor she is working at. Are things improving? I am still not convinced and will stay away for another while.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Back when Minhang was under attack they had reopened during the public holidays as it was meant to be a safe time (and closed back again right at the end).

So next week could be expected to be less exposed under normal raid times. But this is not a normal raid time so I wouldn't try my luck on this one if I were you.

[QUOTE=Ocean25;1820058]999 is shut down. Was told it's gone forever but I'm not sure how much to believe.[/QUOTE]To Ocean 25.

You pm me for advice and help if you don't believe anything other ISG member then go find out youself don't ask any more question here.

Fast edddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2089185]To Ocean 25.

You pm me for advice and help if you don't believe anything other ISG member then go find out youself don't ask any more question here.

Fast edddie 48.[/QUOTE]This is precisely the kind of superior, mean-spirited post that drove me (and thousands of others, I'm sure) away from this forum. Not to mention all the "RTFF" comments and pointless debates with people with whom we have zero accountability (how insecure and petty can people be?)

There was, once upon a time, the spirit of sharing -- it then it devolved the battle of (non) wits, evangelizing price police (under the self-perpetuating delusion that we can somehow collude to control "the market", whatever that means), and seniority that it apparently is now.

Personally speaking I have 15 years of experience in Asia (most of that in China) and happy to share info with others (and have done, and benefited from it, many times). But IMHO this forum has been completely ruined at this point (and thus my handful of posts at best in the past decade).

Anyone who wants to share meaningful info please feel free to PM. Otherwise, see you in the 2020's, and hope the priests of this forum have calmed down or moved on by then.

Hello,

I've read a few reports of massage parlors in Shanghai and will keep digging for sure, but I wanted advice from more experienced people about if it's realistically feasible to visit one of these place during a 7 h layover?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;2089694]This is precisely the kind of superior, mean-spirited post that drove me (and thousands of others, I'm sure) away from this forum. Not to mention all the "RTFF" comments and pointless debates with people with whom we have zero accountability (how insecure and petty can people be?)

There was, once upon a time, the spirit of sharing -- it then it devolved the battle of (non) wits, evangelizing price police (under the self-perpetuating delusion that we can somehow collude to control "the market", whatever that means), and seniority that it apparently is now.

Personally speaking I have 15 years of experience in Asia (most of that in China) and happy to share info with others (and have done, and benefited from it, many times). But IMHO this forum has been completely ruined at this point (and thus my handful of posts at best in the past decade).

Anyone who wants to share meaningful info please feel free to PM. Otherwise, see you in the 2020's, and hope the priests of this forum have calmed down or moved on by then.[/QUOTE]While I totally agree on the useless debates about what "ruins the market prices". I don't understand your comment regarding Fast Eddie 48 or Levitian telling people to "RTFF".
I personnaly believe "RTFF" is not offensive and well deserved when the answer to a question can be found in the last 5 pages of the board (and sometimes even on the latest).

Besides, as its an open forum, noone keeps you from answering the original posters here after they received a RTFF comment.

I don't see why that would make you go away and ask people to PM you rather than sharing publicly your knowledge.

Would all the RTFF issues / comments be solved if we could pin key threads or have a general pinned thread which covers the basics? That way newbies to the forum or veterans of the forum new to a city can quickly get up to speed. A basic user guide for a each city a the top.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1;2089694]This is precisely the kind of superior, mean-spirited post that drove me (and thousands of others, I'm sure) away from this forum. Not to mention all the "RTFF" comments and pointless debates with people with whom we have zero accountability (how insecure and petty can people be?)
[/QUOTE]More than half of FastEddie48's replies are derogatory, belittle and mean, especially towards newbies. It's not the first time asking newbie to

Read The Forum First.


Current status of China is a wait and see to be safe.

The funny thing is, I'm wondering why Eddie's response was to a post that is nearly 2 years old.

I just returned from Shanghai. Judy's and Manhattan are at normal business, however all other places still closed. Some contacts are offering hotel places outside of Shanghai, however not my cup of tea and probably still too risky. One of the working girls confirmed me by WeChat that they will reopen after the 19th National Congress, starting October 18th. So let's hope for the best!

Thanks Idefix, this is good news in my opinion because I am only interested in way like Judys and Manhattan.

I only hope that hotels are safe and no one is supervision me during taking girl to my room.

Has anyone made experience with hotels: Swissotel, jin Jiang Tower, paramount Gallery Hotel?! Any problems anytime and especially now?

I kind of doubt it, because Trump will visit China in November. (as if he will visit a sauna while he is here!

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2090443]I kind of doubt it, because Trump will visit China in November. (as if he will visit a sauna while he is here![/QUOTE]No one knows. At this point, the optimists insist everything will soon revert to normal. The pessimists say it never will. Opinions reflect personal outlook and biases rather than facts on the ground.

We all have to wait and see, sharing as much information as we have. (Obama's visit last year did not affect Shanghai's mongering scene. Not sure why Trump's would.).

It is good to know that Obama's visit did not affect the mongering scene in Shanghai, so let's hope that Trump's will not either. Thanks.

My VPN does not worked and had not worked for the past 48 hours. I do not know if that was just my provider or, as I have read in the news, that China now has ways of blocking VPBs.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2090690]My VPN does not worked and had not worked for the past 48 hours. I do not know if that was just my provider or, as I have read in the news, that China now has ways of blocking VPBs.[/QUOTE]

My VPN is working fine. But China is always trying to shut them down, so maybe try a new one.

Just checked the SNG website, still getting the "Hi there, This website is temporarily unavailable. Check back soon!" screen. Anyone know the current status of Stephen and his crew?

Huge amounts of VPNs have been blocked starting from couple of months ago. Even game speed boosters that connect to servers overseas have been shut down. If your VPN is still accessible, consider yourself lucky.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2090647]No one knows. At this point, the optimists insist everything will soon revert to normal. The pessimists say it never will. Opinions reflect personal outlook and biases rather than facts on the ground.

We all have to wait and see[/QUOTE]Yes wait and see. If you look at the South, like Zhuhai, Dongguan, Shenzhen and Guangzhou, these places have not recovered anywhere near pre 2014 RAID conditions.

You are correct no one knows unfortunately, unless you are at the top level communist gov't.

[QUOTE=Phenyl;2090742]Just checked the SNG website, still getting the "Hi there, This website is temporarily unavailable. Check back soon!" screen. Anyone know the current status of Stephen and his crew?[/QUOTE]Don't expect to see the website again. I have been speaking with a friend of Steven. He is still in jail and waiting a court date. It is moving along but doesn't look good. It could be 10 years before you see him again.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2089762]While I totally agree on the useless debates about what "ruins the market prices". I don't understand your comment regarding Fast Eddie 48 or Levitian telling people to "RTFF".
I personnaly believe "RTFF" is not offensive and well deserved when the answer to a question can be found in the last 5 pages of the board (and sometimes even on the latest).

Besides, as its an open forum, noone keeps you from answering the original posters here after they received a RTFF comment.

I don't see why that would make you go away and ask people to PM you rather than sharing publicly your knowledge.[/QUOTE]To Sinofaguo.

I try to help the newbie ocean PM me for help when I told him China and shanghai is dead now compare to 10 yr ago and he post that he don't believe me or any thing we post, I just tell him to come to China and see for thenselves and I don't know why Bonzo think I am being mean I am just telling the true.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Phenyl;2090742]Just checked the SNG website, still getting the "Hi there, This website is temporarily unavailable. Check back soon!" screen. Anyone know the current status of Stephen and his crew?[/QUOTE]You do realize in most western countries getting arrested for being a pimp will get you a few years jail, maybe on probation, but still is a serious offense.

So in a country like China where local sauna managers have been seen jumping from the window not to be locked for 10+ years in jail.

Or in a country where a french baker is being held in prison for over 6 month waiting for his tribunal earing where he's facing several years of prison, only for using flour which was past the RECOMMENDED usage date but still laboratory tested as harmless.

Do you really think that the local police went after the pimping network just to let the foreigner go?

Unless his connections can work it out, and if what was said here is true (arrested customers admiting to have used this network incriminating steven and his assistant in exchange for release at the end of a 10 days administrative detention), it is likely he will spend several years in jail.

It could even get worse if the rumors regarding other "products" being traded are true and if they have found the merchandise. I wish him this rumor to be unfounded.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2090690]My VPN does not worked and had not worked for the past 48 hours. I do not know if that was just my provider or, as I have read in the news, that China now has ways of blocking VPBs.[/QUOTE]As I have previously written, PPTP and L2 TP protocols have been pretty well deciphered by the Chinese authorities. OpenVPN is still pretty good, and you should use this method. Hopefully your VPN provider also has plenty of IP addresses to accommodate the situation when they decide to block the VPN's servers.

I will write more about how to overcome the issues in the General information forum.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Fran123;2090831]Yes wait and see. If you look at the South, like Zhuhai, Dongguan, Shenzhen and Guangzhou, these places have not recovered anywhere near pre 2014 RAID conditions.
You are correct no one knows unfortunately, unless you are at the top level communist gov't.[/QUOTE]Zhuhai and Guangzhou were dead long before the 2014 Great Yanda. In fact Zhuhai never recovered after major raids in 2003 and 2006.

Dongguan will never recover at all. Only one or two hotels with KTVs provide girls in room. It will remain destroyed because it had become an international mongers' destination like Pattaya and AC.

Shenzhen is recovering quite well, particularly in the outlying districts which were never hit hard in the first place. Typically saunas in Luohu and Futian only offer BBBJCIM and not FS. The BBS scene is still dismal and slowly disappearing as the old cuns get demolished. However, apart from saunas, SZ is difficult for mongers who do not speak Mandarin or have Chinese colleagues.

I have no idea which way Shanghai will go!

Ikks.

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2090989]You do realize in most western countries getting arrested for being a pimp will get you a few years jail, maybe on probation, but still is a serious offense.
So in a country like China where local sauna managers have been seen jumping from the window not to be locked for 10+ years in jail. {S N I P}[/QUOTE]Steven has previously written that he had an "exit plan". I wonder if it is effective? Hope so!

Ikks.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2090989]
Or in a country where a french baker is being held in prison for over 6 month waiting for his tribunal hearing where he's facing several years of prison, only for using flour which was past the RECOMMENDED usage date but still laboratory tested as harmless.
[/QUOTE]I thought the french baker escaped before he got arrested?

Hi everybody,

I will be in Shanghai around 10 Nov, and I am reading all news here with high interest. I planned to visit some well known bars with freelancers and. If there might be any stunner there. Take her with me to my hotel.

During my last visit in SH, where I didn't visit such bars and having to experience in girls, I saw in many hotels large signs in the lobby where it has been written in sense like this: "It is not allowed to take foreigners to your room. If you do. Bla bla bla". My business customer told me these signs are nearly in every hotel, because it's not allowed in China (prostitution) - as we all know but: nearly every hotel, especially the 5-stars-hotels do accept to pick up girls and bring them to your room, implicit.

I think about to book my room in Swissotel, Paramount Gallery or Jin Jiang Tower. Has anyone made experiences with one of these hotels? For sure especially in these difficult days? I won't be happy if I take a girl to my room and some minutes later they will make a raid in my room. So will the hotels be still discreet?

I will post my experiences after or during my stay in November. Until then it would be very helpful to get those information here.

So long colleagues!

[QUOTE=Ikksman;2091004]As I have previously written, PPTP and L2 TP protocols have been pretty well deciphered by the Chinese authorities. OpenVPN is still pretty good, and you should use this method. Hopefully your VPN provider also has plenty of IP addresses to accommodate the situation when they decide to block the VPN's servers.

I will write more about how to overcome the issues in the General information forum.

Ikks.[/QUOTE]Looks like "tthey just took out the Lantern, the VPN that claims it is not a VPN.

It was still working until 6:30 ish, then it suddenly stopped working.

[QUOTE=Optional;2091043]I thought the french baker escaped before he got arrested?[/QUOTE]The whole group boss took a plane back to his home country before the arrests but the baker was still there and is waiting in jail since then.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2091104]Hi everybody,

I will be in Shanghai around 10 Nov, and I am reading all news here with high interest. I planned to visit some well known bars with freelancers and. If there might be any stunner there. Take her with me to my hotel.
[/QUOTE]You have been asking the basically the same kind of questions about Shanghai in your last 6 post.

There are NO guarantees police will not go to your hotel room if you bring a girl back even in 5 star hotels.

The situation in Shanghai is very risking now. The consensus on the board is wait and see after Oct and when.

President Trump arrives in Nov.

[QUOTE=Fran123;2090831]You are correct no one knows unfortunately, unless you are at the top level communist gov't.[/QUOTE]The bosses must be losing insane amounts of money given sky high rents in shanghai and no income for two months or so. Some are taking risks in the holidays to try to open and cover their costs. Others are buying into "green" shops in an attempt to keep cash flow going. It will be interesting if the situation doesn't recover, the hundreds of commercial properties which will come avaliable very quickly as this situation isn't sustainable. Also, the girls can't continue to sit at home with no income.

Seems the police are signalling a return to normal, perhaps even before the convention. How much is wishful thinking up the chain from girls Laban police all of whom are substantially out of pocket, will remain to be seen.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;2091009]Steven has previously written that he had an "exit plan". I wonder if it is effective? Hope so!

Ikks.[/QUOTE]I don't believe steven openly admitted to an "escape plan" . I did post that as I has discussed it with him once over a long night of beers. All indications from people I have spoken to (that know steven better than I do. They confirmed this by stating things I had heard directly from Steven ) have stated it didn't pan out as expected and he is in jail working with his lawyer what is next.

SAM.

[QUOTE=Weelock;2091276]You have been asking the basically the same kind of questions about Shanghai in your last 6 post.

There are NO guarantees police will not go to your hotel room if you bring a girl back even in 5 star hotels.

The situation in Shanghai is very risking now. The consensus on the board is wait and see after Oct and when.

President Trump arrives in Nov.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I did, but these are the main interesting questions for me, I can't post anything new because I am not in SH right now. If I am boring you I will be sorry. But what would you do if you plan your trip. Not getting as much information as possible?

I don't know why you attack me.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;2091004]As I have previously written, PPTP and L2 TP protocols have been pretty well deciphered by the Chinese authorities. OpenVPN is still pretty good, and you should use this method. Hopefully your VPN provider also has plenty of IP addresses to accommodate the situation when they decide to block the VPN's servers.
Ikks.[/QUOTE]I have my own server in the US on Virtual Private Hosting. I use it as an SSH proxy with ProxyCap and use two wrapped SSH connections. I have the keys cached to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks. I use unbound in TCP mode for DNS so my DNS requests all go through the tunnel. Works well, but slow. Not worried about them blocking my IP address because no one else uses it.

Dickus.

You're way above my head with the Internet wizzardry. Is there a painless way to set this up for a hopeless baby boomer Luddite? Must be someone I can pay to help.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2092070]Dickus.

You're way above my head with the Internet wizzardry. Is there a painless way to set this up for a hopeless baby boomer Luddite? Must be someone I can pay to help.[/QUOTE]Astrill works great if you aren't a computer expert [URL]https://astrill4u.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2091104]Hi everybody,

I will be in Shanghai around 10 Nov, and I am reading all news here with high interest. I planned to visit some well known bars with freelancers and. If there might be any stunner there. Take her with me to my hotel.

During my last visit in SH, where I didn't visit such bars and having to experience in girls, I saw in many hotels large signs in the lobby where it has been written in sense like this: "It is not allowed to take foreigners to your room. If you do. Bla bla bla". My business customer told me these signs are nearly in every hotel, because it's not allowed in China (prostitution) - as we all know but: nearly every hotel, especially the 5-stars-hotels do accept to pick up girls and bring them to your room, implicit.

I think about to book my room in Swissotel, Paramount Gallery or Jin Jiang Tower. Has anyone made experiences with one of these hotels? For sure especially in these difficult days? I won't be happy if I take a girl to my room and some minutes later they will make a raid in my room. So will the hotels be still discreet?

I will post my experiences after or during my stay in November. Until then it would be very helpful to get those information here.
[/QUOTE]I have stayed in the Swissotel and I found that if it was earlier in the night (before 10 pm) they usually did not bother me if I had a girl. The other opportunity is to go into the lobby and bare right and go up the escalator to the restaurant on the second floor. Sometimes they don't watch that and then take the elevator from the second floor to your room. The third option is to go in the back entrance near the restaurant, Moon. You need your key for this entrance, then go straight to the elevator. When sneaking in with a girl, try act as if you don't know her so the hotel won't suspect anything. And take a girl is who is not dressed with HOOKER written all over her.

Stay safe and be extra cautious. The weather is very bad there making P4 P quite risky.

[QUOTE=AsianLover;2092278]I have stayed in the Swissotel and I found that if it was earlier in the night (before 10 pm) they usually did not bother me if I had a girl. The other opportunity is to go into the lobby and bare right and go up the escalator to the restaurant on the second floor. Sometimes they don't watch that and then take the elevator from the second floor to your room. The third option is to go in the back entrance near the restaurant, Moon. You need your key for this entrance, then go straight to the elevator. When sneaking in with a girl, try act as if you don't know her so the hotel won't suspect anything. And take a girl is who is not dressed with HOOKER written all over her.

Stay safe and be extra cautious. The weather is very bad there making P4 P quite risky.[/QUOTE]Thank you AsianLover, these are really helpful hints and experiences.

But what means P4P? Sorry for maybe asking stupid.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2092305]Thank you AsianLover, these are really helpful hints and experiences.

But what means P4P? Sorry for maybe asking stupid.[/QUOTE]P4 P = pay for play.

I assume you mean Manhattan or Judy's when you say that you want to visit well know freelance bars. I've also been to Zapata's and Bar Rouge per SNG when it was still up- very different vibes and clientele. Anyway, there are a few hotels literally within one or two blocks of both Manhattan / Judy's that are guest friendly. The girls usually dress very well so aside from being Vietnamese are fairly discrete and blend in. Although I have seen a smoke show or two in Manhattan before where I really wanted to take the girl but her outfit was so revealing that I knew I would be too self conscious walking with her through a lobby.

Maybe this is me being ultra-paranoid, but it is even safe to schedule meetings with providers you are familiar with over Wechat? I'm talking about providers that I've seen before and am familiar with. Since we talk about prices and meeting times over Wechat. Just wondering how closely the govt is reading Wechat messages. I'm sure they have the ability to do so, but don't know if they are really going THAT far, even during a heavy weather period like now.

I know no one in this forum probably has any idea (only "The Man" knows! And yeah, I'm probably being unnecessarily paranoid.

[QUOTE=Optional;2092555]
I know no one in this forum probably has any idea (only "The Man" knows! And yeah, I'm probably being unnecessarily paranoid.[/QUOTE]If they arrest the girl and she has not deleted your chat, they can find there way back to you with the phone. This has happened recently with SNG if you look at earlier posts.

So yes, paranoia is good. It's not that they are monitorring the chat (though they may be, I don't know) . It is that its a trail of evidence back to you. I am not sure why you are discussing pricing with regulars. You should know what it was last time, ask her to meet you somewhere and verify it's the same as last time before you go up. You could also plan the next meeting with her before she leaves your room. This takes chat out completely. Hardest part is first meeting without we chat.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2092562]If they arrest the girl and she has not deleted your chat, they can find there way back to you with the phone. This has happened recently with SNG if you look at earlier posts.

So yes, paranoia is good. It's not that they are monitorring the chat (though they may be, I don't know) . It is that its a trail of evidence back to you. I am not sure why you are discussing pricing with regulars. You should know what it was last time, ask her to meet you somewhere and verify it's the same as last time before you go up. You could also plan the next meeting with her before she leaves your room. This takes chat out completely. Hardest part is first meeting without we chat.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I heard about what happened with SNG, hence my paranoia. The girls that I am talking to have all stopped working "onsite" due to the weather (or so they say). The reason I discussed price was because this is the first time I'm considering meeting them "offsite".

[QUOTE=NRock;2092388]P4 P = pay for play.

I assume you mean Manhattan or Judy's when you say that you want to visit well know freelance bars. I've also been to Zapata's and Bar Rouge per SNG when it was still up- very different vibes and clientele. Anyway, there are a few hotels literally within one or two blocks of both Manhattan / Judy's that are guest friendly. The girls usually dress very well so aside from being Vietnamese are fairly discrete and blend in. Although I have seen a smoke show or two in Manhattan before where I really wanted to take the girl but her outfit was so revealing that I knew I would be too self conscious walking with her through a lobby.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the explanation, yes I mean these bars.

I heard already that it is important that if I take a girl to my hotel, she should not look too clear as a hooker. And usually all hotels around Judy's and Manhattan are girl friendly, well- they had been in the past, but I don't know if this has changed already now during this circumstances in SH. If they control closer who you bring with you in your room.

I hope the situation will become more relaxing after the national party in a week.

[QUOTE=Optional;2092555]Maybe this is me being ultra-paranoid, but it is even safe to schedule meetings with providers you are familiar with over Wechat? I'm talking about providers that I've seen before and am familiar with. Since we talk about prices and meeting times over Wechat. Just wondering how closely the govt is reading Wechat messages. I'm sure they have the ability to do so, but don't know if they are really going THAT far, even during a heavy weather period like now.

I know no one in this forum probably has any idea (only "The Man" knows! And yeah, I'm probably being unnecessarily paranoid.[/QUOTE]Better to ask girl if she has whatsapp or even use texting or phoning. Wechat is virtually owned by the Chinese govt.

I wonder why Rain is still "up and running ", as nothing has happened. I know they closed the bar / KTV, where most of her girls were working, but her side is still up, and she also regularly updates here WeChat.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Levitian;2092881]I wonder why Rain is still "up and running ", as nothing has happened. I know they closed the bar / KTV, where most of her girls were working, but her side is still up, and she also regularly updates here WeChat.

Lev.[/QUOTE]

Rain might have mid level LE friends in shanghai. They might be a reason she is still operating. Not going to say who what when where are my sources but its reliable.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2092070]Dickus.

You're way above my head with the Internet wizzardry. Is there a painless way to set this up for a hopeless baby boomer Luddite? Must be someone I can pay to help.[/QUOTE]My point was really that with a VPN where you control both endpoints you probably won't have any issues and I don't think they are decoding the protocols as much as some claim. If you use a popular VPN, there is a chance that it will get discovered and blocked, but if your tunnel goes from your computer to your own server somewhere that only you are using, you should be good.

[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2093061]My point was really that with a VPN where you control both endpoints you probably won't have any issues and I don't think they are decoding the protocols as much as some claim. If you use a popular VPN, there is a chance that it will get discovered and blocked, but if your tunnel goes from your computer to your own server somewhere that only you are using, you should be good.[/QUOTE]Hmm I think at one point in the near future, China Telecom / Unicom / Mobile will simply block the most popular VPN protocols by default.

Like Sinofaguo I recommend Astrill. I suspect Astrill has connections with the China Government as they always seem to escape relatively unscathed. Or maybe their StealthVPN protocol really is that good; I almost never have problems with it & it's relatively fast and stable. So I recommend people that.

[QUOTE=TheTrooper21;2083339]For sake of clarity on the likelihood of "getting in trouble", the only genuine cases (not speculation) that we've heard of customers getting detained are:

A) During the time the police controlled Judy's phone or trailed some SNL girls (from late August), you contacted Judy or SNL girl, agreed on an arrangement, and went through with the service and you're in a hotel where there is security camera evidence of woman coming in and out of your room.

Appears that you can get detained anywhere from zero to 14 days after the deed. Even longer than that, it's not clear yet.

So far I've yet to hear any real evidence of people getting detained if:

1) You moved to a different location since you did the deed.

2) You arranged a meeting, did the deed, but the hotel did not have security camera evidence.

3) You made inquiries to Judy but didn't arrange a meeting.

4) You arranged a meeting with another manager (not Judy).[/QUOTE]Is this still the case? Have there been rumors of any more people being picked up connected to Steve / Judy, of LE widening the net, maybe going back further?

Peace.

[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2093061]My point was really that with a VPN where you control both endpoints you probably won't have any issues and I don't think they are decoding the protocols as much as some claim. If you use a popular VPN, there is a chance that it will get discovered and blocked, but if your tunnel goes from your computer to your own server somewhere that only you are using, you should be good.[/QUOTE]That is useful if you still maintain a residence with a stable and fast internet connection outside of China.

If you have gone fully expat as in establishing a permanent residence or family in China it might not be viable.

Of course, it is still doable if you have a trusted friend or relative who is willing and capable to help you maintain the connection overseas.

[QUOTE=MArcade;2093092]Hmm I think at one point in the near future, China Telecom / Unicom / Mobile will simply block the most popular VPN protocols by default.

Like Sinofaguo I recommend Astrill. I suspect Astrill has connections with the China Government as they always seem to escape relatively unscathed. Or maybe their StealthVPN protocol really is that good; I almost never have problems with it & it's relatively fast and stable. So I recommend people that.[/QUOTE]There is a recent rumor that the most popular ISP, China Telecom is spearheading this VPN blockade by implementing IDC port lockdown or something.

I also heard speculation that Chinese companies have been somewhat slow regarding IPV6 adoption is because the GFW is incompatible with IPV6, thus the government is dragging their feet.

But then there are also Chinese nationalists who claim China's leadership on quantum computing will make all encryption protocols obsolete.

I have China Telecom as my home ISP for my PC, I also have both Unicom and China Mobile SIMs on my Android Phone.

So far Lantern has suddenly failed on all of them beginning Tuesday.

I am glad I did not terminate my ExpressVPN account even after I chose Lantern to be my preferred VPN for all my devices.

Manhattan was hopping last night. Prices seem unaffected by problems elsewhere in Shanghai's P4 P sector. Took a cute Viet, 29 yrs old (claimed 25 in the bar), for 1,200. Said while in Shanghai, she normally only gets a client 2-3 times per week, but it's still worth it for her to come. Nice to know Manhattan is still a thriving, relatively safe destination amid the current turmoil.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2094208]Manhattan was hopping last night. Prices seem unaffected by problems elsewhere in Shanghai's P4 P sector. Took a cute Viet, 29 yrs old (claimed 25 in the bar), for 1,200. Said while in Shanghai, she normally only gets a client 2-3 times per week, but it's still worth it for her to come. Nice to know Manhattan is still a thriving, relatively safe destination amid the current turmoil.[/QUOTE]Good to hear!

Which hotel did you stay, which is girlfriendly?

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2094306]Good to hear!

Which hotel did you stay, which is girlfriendly?[/QUOTE]Since I'm currently staying there, I'm not in a position to post the name of my hotel. However, most hotels are girl friendly, so that's not a problem. I always look for a way to enter that does not take me through the lobby. Probably unnecessary, but an extra precaution.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2094430]Since I'm currently staying there, I'm not in a position to post the name of my hotel. However, most hotels are girl friendly, so that's not a problem. I always look for a way to enter that does not take me through the lobby. Probably unnecessary, but an extra precaution.[/QUOTE]

I have never had a problem with the Hilton in the 8 years i have been going.. If you walk in seperate from your date, they leave you alone. They don't want to accuse a viet girl and find out she is a guest. Of course if you take a girl that is not dressed appropriately, she will stand out and you get what you get. I did walk in once holding her hand. I am over 50 and she was 25. They immediately came over and had her sign in. It was no problem then but there is no way in today's situation I would want to sign in. Also good to ask I the girl had been to the hotel that night with another customer. They told me once (when I was at the lobby with the girl) that she had already been there. They were required to contact the POPO if I demanded they sign her in.

HIlton is changing names (already changed) so I don't know what the management is like now as I have not been back in a while.

The ritz carlton (which can be pricey) is the street infront of Manhattans. As you go around the building there is a side door that takes you in the back right to the elevator. It makes the trip about 1 block walk. No need to even get a taxi.

Stay safe over there. I will be over next year so I am paying attention.

SAMCAN.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2094464]I have never had a problem with the Hilton in the 8 years i have been going.. If you walk in seperate from your date, they leave you alone. They don't want to accuse a viet girl and find out she is a guest. Of course if you take a girl that is not dressed appropriately, she will stand out and you get what you get. I did walk in once holding her hand. I am over 50 and she was 25. They immediately came over and had her sign in. It was no problem then but there is no way in today's situation I would want to sign in. Also good to ask I the girl had been to the hotel that night with another customer. They told me once (when I was at the lobby with the girl) that she had already been there. They were required to contact the POPO if I demanded they sign her in.

HIlton is changing names (already changed) so I don't know what the management is like now as I have not been back in a while.

The ritz carlton (which can be pricey) is the street infront of Manhattans. As you go around the building there is a side door that takes you in the back right to the elevator. It makes the trip about 1 block walk. No need to even get a taxi.

Stay safe over there. I will be over next year so I am paying attention.

SAMCAN.[/QUOTE]I agree with the assessment of the Hilton. I also never had an issue returning at all hours of the night with my "Friend". Since the hotel has now changed names I'm not sure where I will stay while in Shanghai but I'm sure I will find somewhere nice.

[QUOTE=Leviton6;2094473]I agree with the assessment of the Hilton. I also never had an issue returning at all hours of the night with my "Friend". Since the hotel has now changed names I'm not sure where I will stay while in Shanghai but I'm sure I will find somewhere nice.[/QUOTE]Can anyone recommend a good hotel in Pudong-area?!

Or is it not recommendable to stay in Pudong if you want to go to Judys or Manhattan?

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2095048]Can anyone recommend a good hotel in Pudong-area?!

Or is it not recommendable to stay in Pudong if you want to go to Judys or Manhattan?[/QUOTE]That's a very long way away 30-45 minutes depending on where you are and time of day. Sometimes I worked in pudong but would spend the weekend at the hilton for my play activities. I would then transfer to a pudong hotel Sunday. If I found a girl over the weekend that I liked, I got her number and had her taxi to my pudong hotel at 7 or 8 pm. I could get a couple hours with her and send her back to work at judy's and get a good nights sleep. She saw it as a win because she had a customer before judy's / manhattans even opened. If the girl figured this out, I usually got a small break on the rate, but then paid it back to her for the taxi ride. Either way it was a win. Careful how much you hand out your number these days however.

Pudong has always been more strict on sauna activities so be careful going to a Sauna or an he place.

Question to all: Is there a lock down on Pudong like shanghai PUXI? I would imagine so but no on has been real clear about it.

SAM.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2095048]Can anyone recommend a good hotel in Pudong-area?!

Or is it not recommendable to stay in Pudong if you want to go to Judys or Manhattan?[/QUOTE]There are maybe 6-7 top tier hotels within walking distance of those clubs. It's also an excellent pedestrian-friendly area of town to be in. That's got to beat any hotel in Pudong.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2095048]Can anyone recommend a good hotel in Pudong-area?!

Or is it not recommendable to stay in Pudong if you want to go to Judys or Manhattan?[/QUOTE]There are maybe 6-7 top tier hotels within walking distance of those clubs. It's also an excellent pedestrian-friendly area of town to be in. That's got to beat any hotel in Pudong. By walking back with the girl, and not arriving by taxi, it is easier to find a way in that eludes security.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2095233]There are maybe 6-7 top tier hotels within walking distance of those clubs. It's also an excellent pedestrian-friendly area of town to be in. That's got to beat any hotel in Pudong. By walking back with the girl, and not arriving by taxi, it is easier to find a way in that eludes security.[/QUOTE]Thank you all for information and recommendations. I will not use a hotel in Pudong. I am thinking about Paramount Gallery Hotel, Jin Jiang Tower or Equatorial, all seem to be in walking distance. Does anyone have already experiences with these hotels, especially with side entrances which offer an easy access?

[QUOTE=Carage;2093651]There is a recent rumor that the most popular ISP, China Telecom is spearheading this VPN blockade by implementing IDC port lockdown or something.

I am glad I did not terminate my ExpressVPN account even after I chose Lantern to be my preferred VPN for all my devices.[/QUOTE]Still using VPNs on mobile phones?

When I am in China I now just use a HK SIM card (China Mobile. HK) which basically gives me uncapped (and unrestricted / uncensored) mobile internet for less than 4 USD per day.

[URL]http://www.hk.chinamobile.com/en/corporate_information/Prepaid_SIM/outbound_travelers_mainland_china/4G3Gprepaid-services-china_voice-and-data.html[/URL]

Enjoy!

This might be a completely stupid question to ask, and the answers may seem obvious, but what's the situation in Shanghai regarding happy ending massages? Recommendations? Legality? I've heard differing reports.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2095087]Question to all: Is there a lock down on Pudong like shanghai PUXI? I would imagine so but no on has been real clear about it.

SAM.[/QUOTE]Yes- most of the he massage places are closed with tape over the doors. Not sure about Saunas, but I would imagine they are also closed.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2095246]Thank you all for information and recommendations. I will not use a hotel in Pudong. I am thinking about Paramount Gallery Hotel, Jin Jiang Tower or Equatorial, all seem to be in walking distance. Does anyone have already experiences with these hotels, especially with side entrances which offer an easy access?[/QUOTE]I have been using Equitorial lately and will be there next week. I have never had any problems taking a friend in there at night. I am not aware of any side entrances. I just walk right on through. Nice thing is that unlike Hilton you do not need a card to come up to the room so you can have here head on up ahead of you and meet her at the room.

[QUOTE=ChuckleOne;2095874]I have been using Equitorial lately and will be there next week. I have never had any problems taking a friend in there at night. I am not aware of any side entrances. I just walk right on through. Nice thing is that unlike Hilton you do not need a card to come up to the room so you can have here head on up ahead of you and meet her at the room.[/QUOTE]Great description and information.

Is Equatorial luxury? Are the rooms with large space and up to date renovated? I think it's a 4*hotel.

Can you continue using WeChat?

And can your get it easily in mainland China?

Thanks,

Gregory.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2095314]Still using VPNs on mobile phones?

When I am in China I now just use a HK SIM card (China Mobile. HK) which basically gives me uncapped (and unrestricted / uncensored) mobile internet for less than 4 USD per day.

[URL]http://www.hk.chinamobile.com/en/corporate_information/Prepaid_SIM/outbound_travelers_mainland_china/4G3Gprepaid-services-china_voice-and-data.html[/URL]

Enjoy![/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Does anyone know how long this close down of massage places will be? I'm going to Shanghai for the first time last week of November and it would be nice to try some Chinese massage.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2095877]Great description and information.

Is Equatorial luxury? Are the rooms with large space and up to date renovated? I think it's a 4*hotel.[/QUOTE]I would not say it is luxury but it is quite nice. They do have several renovated floors with updated rooms and nice views. I always stay executive level. King bed and good space. Cheap room = smaller, older room.

[QUOTE=RobSH;2095732]Yes- most of the he massage places are closed with tape over the doors. Not sure about Saunas, but I would imagine they are also closed.[/QUOTE]It looks like the lock down could potentially extend for a long time. At least in Pudong, a number of massage places are not just closed, they are under construction. Same for Sacrosa. So whether this is because they thought it would be a good time to upgrade or if they is a more drastic change is business, I don't know, but these places will not reopen in a week.

[QUOTE=HotEastern;2096369]It looks like the lock down could potentially extend for a long time. At least in Pudong, a number of massage places are not just closed, they are under construction. Same for Sacrosa. So whether this is because they thought it would be a good time to upgrade or if they is a more drastic change is business, I don't know, but these places will not reopen in a week.[/QUOTE]Whenever there is a dry period, some places don't reopen. This is not unusual, and it will happen regardless of the dry period's length.

Just traveled to a few other large Chinese cities. They appear unaffected.

[QUOTE=Carage;2093648]That is useful if you still maintain a residence with a stable and fast internet connection outside of China.

If you have gone fully expat as in establishing a permanent residence or family in China it might not be viable.

Of course, it is still doable if you have a trusted friend or relative who is willing and capable to help you maintain the connection overseas.[/QUOTE]Or get a private virtual host somewhere for $10-15 per month. No reason to bother maintaining a computer at home.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2096558]Whenever there is a dry period, some places don't reopen. This is not unusual, and it will happen regardless of the dry period's length.

Just traveled to a few other large Chinese cities. They appear unaffected.[/QUOTE]Why then Shanghai is affected that much? The congress is in Beijing.

[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2096561]Or get a private virtual host somewhere for $10-15 per month. No reason to bother maintaining a computer at home.[/QUOTE]You don't need to maintain a computer at home, you need an internet connection and a router.

Tried that girl Wenli from classifieds she is real and really worth. Haha.

But her mobile and even wechat is wrong.

Took me a while in google to find the correct ones.

It was very worth it while, though.

Gregory.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2096564]Why then Shanghai is affected that much? The congress is in Beijing.[/QUOTE]Unless some of this thread's participants are in the upper strata of the Party, we can only speculate on that question. But in the end, speculation does us little good.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2096564]Why then Shanghai is affected that much? The congress is in Beijing.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2116135/analysis-what-chinas-leadership-reshuffle-means-xi-jinpings-new[/URL]

[QUOTE]
The elevation of Han Zheng, the party secretary of Shanghai, Jiang’s power base, is widely expected. There had been suggestions he could become the executive vice-premier, but taking over the helm of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference – the fourth ranked job in the party hierarchy – should give him more status and prestige.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GregoryB;2096875]Tried that girl Wenli from classifieds she is real and really worth. Haha.

But her mobile and even wechat is wrong. Took me a while in google to find the correct ones. It was very worth it while, though.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Wenli is a nice girl, with a hot body and will give you a good session. She just got back to Shanghai and is seeking more business.

However, I caution all of you to avoid using WeChat to book dates. Use it carefully because others have said that if the details of a date are on Wechat, LE can and will use it against you. My advice is to avoid discussing any rates or fees on WeChat or any type of texting service. The safest is to make the date and discuss all fees in person or via telephone. If ever caught, at least both of you could and would hopefully say that it was not pay for play, just casual sex, and there is nothing in writing to contradict you.

Stay safe out there. The weather in Shanghai was terrible and I am not sure there is any clearing in the forecast.

AL.

Sacrosa closed its door in April, a good 4 months before the weather changed. I still don't know why. It was doing good business and just finished renovating the place by building a new lounge. Maybe the rent is too high, or it got words early that a crackdown is coming.

Following the end of the 19th, I see multiple reports on chinese sites saying seals from MPs are getting removed, some shop preparing for reopening, others having already reopened.

Got report for a couple in Jing'an too.

No real idea on how safe it actually is to go there. So I guess it's still better to wait and see.

Not much advertising from Sauna on chinese website either (which also means wait and see is wiser).

Lets see how it goes.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2097834]Sacrosa closed its door in April, a good 4 months before the weather changed. I still don't know why. It was doing good business and just finished renovating the place by building a new lounge. Maybe the rent is too high, or it got words early that a crackdown is coming.[/QUOTE]Ah, OK, I did not know it had closed that early: I was away for a number of months and just got back to SH on Sept 1. Then, I just did a "safety check" by going to the usual places, but just stopping the elevators at the "floors of interest" without actually getting off. So I assumed it was closed because of the weather.

I can also confirm that some of the MP may be on the verge of reopening: the one on the corner was closed with tape on the doors, and pitch black inside for some months. The tape is still there, but there is now light inside since Monday.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2097945]Following the end of the 19th, I see multiple reports on chinese sites saying seals from MPs are getting removed, some shop preparing for reopening, others having already reopened.

Got report for a couple in Jing'an too.

No real idea on how safe it actually is to go there. So I guess it's still better to wait and see.

Not much advertising from Sauna on chinese website either (which also means wait and see is wiser).

Lets see how it goes.[/QUOTE]That's good news. Though, during these past few weeks, I have seen a lot of SPAs and MPs still open but I just guessed they were legit places. I tried one out, and I couldn't shower, no oil, and had to wear flannel pajamas. But did get a good veggie masssage.

PM me for a recommendation for oil massage and he and Jingan.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;2095879]Can you continue using WeChat?

And can your get it easily in mainland China?

Thanks,

Gregory.[/QUOTE]Yes, just slightly slower. They can be bought online (ebay) and in border cities (ShenZhen, Zhuhai).

I bought mine in HK at a 7/11 and I just top it up every 2-3 months to keep it alive. They can be topped up online with a credit card.

Spring massage (maoming) for a HE. Ask for an oil massage. 328 yuan. Add a tip for some roaming. Recommend #70. I'd give her an 8/10.

Thanks a lot. Gregory.

[QUOTE=MvuLane;2098714]Yes, just slightly slower. They can be bought online (ebay) and in border cities (ShenZhen, Zhuhai).

I bought mine in HK at a 7/11 and I just top it up every 2-3 months to keep it alive. They can be topped up online with a credit card.[/QUOTE]

Do they offer BJ or only HJ?

[QUOTE=Keric333;2098826]Spring massage (maoming) for a HE. Ask for an oil massage. 328 yuan. Add a tip for some roaming. Recommend #70. I'd give her an 8/10.[/QUOTE]

Some saunas that I have wechat with are trying to get me to visit their alternative locations. I'm not willing to risk it at this time.

The lock down has forced me to become resourceful, visiting shops with a single hot salesgirl, chatting her up and getting her wechat. The old fashioned way, I guess, but P4 P much less effort.

I got his info from a friend of my date so I hope it is not a joke.

Yesterday (Saturday night) I visited Judy and Manhattan. Busy but not packed like a few weeks before. I was told by my date that there have been already a few police checks mainly to address safety concerns (fire regulations and how many people can stay at any venue, which depend on their size). A few girls started to get booted and minimum spendings strictly enforced).

Shortly after I left with my date (10:30 I guess) a lot of police raided both Judy and Manhattan.

Many girls are leaving for a few days or will not visit the bars in the coming days.

Yes it's that bad.

I have a number of girls in my WeChat contact list. Friends. But they are open.

I'll post an update if they want that I introduce them to people here.

Funny enough just outside my hotel a Chinese lady was harassing foreign men asking them if they wanted "massage". I met non during my month-long trip in September, not even in NanJingLu.

Stay safe!

The weather is indeed stormy. I do not have any first hand knowledge on the condition of the spas, my Chinese friends reported they had all closed, with no idea of if and when they might reopen.

We went to our usual massage place, pretty much a standard place, with a lame happy ending only on offer. All of the showers had been removed from the rooms, there was only one shower shared by all. This looked like a permanent thing, it was not a trivial thing to rip out all of the showers, though the basic plumbing was still there. HJ was 300 RMB, crazy, but was there with my local friend and didn't want to look cheap.

Finally got to check out Judy's, on a Wednesday night. The place was heaving with girls. Perhaps 10 guys at most there. A lot of the girls had no business being there, literally at least 100, if not more. Many would go home alone that night. I brushed off a few, and then one of the most beautiful Vietnamese girls, with big, firm, round boobs and the most beautiful of faces came to chat with me. Passable English, I told her I was looking for a desperate woman, who wanted to have some fun.

"that's me!

1500 RMB for all night, plus 100 for taxi since I was far away. She stayed for breakfast.

I was prepared, with my baby oil, cocoa butter, and several different toys. She had never seen a toy before, and enjoyed them very much. She was satisfying in all ways, and was most memorable. Her name was Lisa, if you see her at Judy's treat her well and she will show you a good time.

I hope to see her in Ho Chi Minh City sometime soon. I love Vietnamese women!

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2099726]The weather is indeed stormy. I do not have any first hand knowledge on the condition of the spas, my Chinese friends reported they had all closed, with no idea of if and when they might reopen.

We went to our usual massage place, pretty much a standard place, with a lame happy ending only on offer. All of the showers had been removed from the rooms, there was only one shower shared by all. This looked like a permanent thing, it was not a trivial thing to rip out all of the showers, though the basic plumbing was still there. HJ was 300 RMB, crazy, but was there with my local friend and didn't want to look cheap.

Finally got to check out Judy's, on a Wednesday night. The place was heaving with girls. Perhaps 10 guys at most there. A lot of the girls had no business being there, literally at least 100, if not more. Many would go home alone that night. I brushed off a few, and then one of the most beautiful Vietnamese girls, with big, firm, round boobs and the most beautiful of faces came to chat with me. Passable English, I told her I was looking for a desperate woman, who wanted to have some fun.[/QUOTE]Good to hear Judys is still an option. Have you never had fear you could be catched in your hotel? Which hotel you stayed? Any recommendations?

The police have showed up there a number of times over the years and done a passport check. They typically only ask the girls not the white guys. That being said, if you don't have it my understanding is you will be leaving with them to go to your hotel and show them.

Do you have any more info on what they did when they got there? They didn't throw girls out for spending limiits, the bar does. Not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand what the weather is really like. Judy's is my favorite place!! See my posts.

SAM.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2099874]The police have showed up there a number of times over the years and done a passport check. They typically only ask the girls not the white guys. That being said, if you don't have it my understanding is you will be leaving with them to go to your hotel and show them.

Do you have any more info on what they did when they got there? They didn't throw girls out for spending limiits, the bar does. Not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand what the weather is really like. Judy's is my favorite place!! See my posts.

SAM.[/QUOTE]The girl I was with yesterday (by the way the most beautiful starfish I've ever spent a night with. I'll definitely post a photo flew back home the very next day (this morning) and told me her friends were staying away from the bars tonight.

Therefore I have not been there tonight. I'll try tomorrow (and I'll bring my passport).

She said she heard the bars will close but I think this is just a rumor.

I remember a few police checks in Wanchai (HK): they were annoying more than scary. But the result was that many girls sought alternative ways to carry on with their trade, less girls (especially the prettier ones) and higher prices. I like the ambience at judy and Manhattan, I hope it doesn't change!

We shouldn't be talking about crack downs but tips on how to make the best of our mongering nights!

By the way LT was quoted to me at 3,000 but finally agreed 2,500. No BBBJ nor DATY but DFK. Way too much isn't it?! Must have been enchanted by the mermaid!

P.S. I get your point on minimum spending and agre, guys pay so it applies to them only. I just meant before it was possible to just chill at a table with a drink now. We'll not anymore! The tables are for the big spenders (frankly that's understandable but I still liked it best when it wasn't the case).

Anyone else at Judy and Manhattan yesterday night, or tonight?

[QUOTE=SamCan;2099874]The police have showed up there a number of times over the years and done a passport check. They typically only ask the girls not the white guys. That being said, if you don't have it my understanding is you will be leaving with them to go to your hotel and show them.

Do you have any more info on what they did when they got there? They didn't throw girls out for spending limiits, the bar does. Not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand what the weather is really like. Judy's is my favorite place!! See my posts.

SAM.[/QUOTE]The police did in fact raid Manhattans. Many girls were taken by the police but have now since been freed to go home. I don't have details on why this raaid occurred. Also, as of Sunday night Judy's is still opened. So, only Manhattan has been affected. The attached pictures were taken by soneome unfortunate enough to be there.

Everyone. Be careful.

Manhattan, didn't have the nerve to go in. Maybe 4 or 5 police cars. Around 15-20 policemen right outside.

Judy's, went in. Very slow. Not a lot of girls. Quite a lot of guys. Girls seemed to be not the "working" kind. Possibly the worst day this century to be in Shanghai.

OMG, I am shocked to hear Judys and Manhattan are in focus of police now! Why? The conference might be finished, they can stop with raids, especially if you only want to go out for a drink and watch girls.

I really hope this is just a coincidence.

Everyone who is in Shanghai next days: please report from Judy's and Manhattan if you will be there. I want to go next week there and I don't have any plan B.

I am afraid my options will disappear.

People referred to the 19th People's Congress as the cause of the crackdown. I don't know about that. It was in Beijing and it is over. Looking at the thread from that city, there are still mongering activities going on and they have hardly the kind of fear as we experienced here. Is that a new policy and not a temporary thing? Does that mean Shanghai will become the next Dongguan?

According to local Chinese news papers it was mentioned that Shanghai is seen as the founding city of the Party. Therefore, it is expected to be a role model city.

If I interpret this correctly, it means good times are over in Shanghai. But I anyway never mongered in China. I go to other countries for that where people are more open minded and where it is legal. Good luck and greetings from far away.

I was there last Wednesday, no sign of trouble. I heard from my friend about the raid.

Looks like I got to experience Judy's, just in time.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;2100150]People referred to the 19th People's Congress as the cause of the crackdown. I don't know about that. It was in Beijing and it is over. Looking at the thread from that city, there are still mongering activities going on and they have hardly the kind of fear as we experienced here. Is that a new policy and not a temporary thing? Does that mean Shanghai will become the next Dongguan?[/QUOTE]The weather is always changing, so who really knows. But. Considering that the new 7 member politburo of the CCP includes a former Shanghai mayor and Shanghai Party Chief it is not surprising what's happening in Shanghai. It's too soon since the 19th Conference to know what the lasting result will be. Just stay safe and exercise caution.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2100029]OMG, I am shocked to hear Judys and Manhattan are in focus of police now! Why? The conference might be finished, they can stop with raids, especially if you only want to go out for a drink and watch girls.

I really hope this is just a coincidence.

Everyone who is in Shanghai next days: please report from Judy's and Manhattan if you will be there. I want to go next week there and I don't have any plan B.

I am afraid my options will disappear.[/QUOTE]I will go there now. If I don't report back, you can consider me MIA and remember me as a martyr.

Before I go, let me just add that I have been in Shanghai and I've been pestered by the "massage" girls at least a hand dozen times. That was not the case during the congress, so I have to guess what's going on now is not (entirely) related.

Gents, just a few observations:

- With the election of the new Shanghai Party Secretary (previous one now joining the top national leadership) you can not realistically expect things to relax soon (refer to previous posts about leadership changes in Minhang etc and those were 'only' district level changes);

- Manhatten / Judy etc are low hanging fruit, extensively discussed here and very visible, so....

- Seems SNG / Steven's posts have been deleted, why and by whom? LE action?

Be careful !

@The Guy: please check your mail. Thanks!

You martyr doesn't need to perish after all, but he won't get laid tonight.

Manhattan is closed. No one outside other than a beggar and a couple of shady "girl, massager" dudes.

Judy is not that busy, but open and not empty either. Almost no western face. 80% (men of course) are Asian and I assume Chinese. All groups are at a table and have company but the ratio is 1 girl every 2-3 guys.

The girls that are still without a date are either a pass or. Well let's say my say my left hand will give me more pleasure. The funny (or sad) thing is that they are begging for male companionship and get rejected without much hesitation (I had to do that maybe 8-10 times).

I have been here two days ago and there were 5 x more and 2 x as pretty.

It is again funny (and sad) that the only way to get a passable, if not pretty, girl is to grab one as she leaves her date due to "failed arrangements" before someone else grabs her.

I am actually writing this report on a table at Judy (all for myself).

I should have bought that ticket to Manila after all.

One last comment: most the prettiest girls seem to be sitting at the tables at the back of the bar. Guys there seem the "show off" type, ready to get drunk more than laid. A good 5 very pretty ones there. The rest of us has to make do what what's left.

I should have gone to Manila after all (have I already said that?

Update: I finally got a 28 yo passable (after 2 beers anyway) and slim Vietnamese. Two kids. 1,500 why all night (at 2:30 am) and she forfeited the right to say no. I'm at FamilyMart and the neon bulbs are shining their cold lights on the sad truth. It is cheap but it is bad.

By good luck I had the same experience last week. The place was in full swing, was packed, had a great time. Was my first visit to that particular candy store, glad I was able to see it in all its glory.

[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;2100168]I was there last Wednesday, no sign of trouble. I heard from my friend about the raid.

Looks like I got to experience Judy's, just in time.[/QUOTE]

I was also there last Saturday night.

When I arrived in the area I saw a black police SUV with its lights flashing, parked across the street from Manhattan. Watching the action. It just made me a little nervous that they were showing they knew what was transpiring.

I opted to conduct business at Judy's instead. And had a great session with one of the nice Viets there.

Red Rider.

Visited last night, Manhattan as friends have said is closed. Haven't seen Judy's in its glory, but the number and quality girls last night were okay. Maybe 6/10 - had fun evening though, was offerred 1000 for night at around 2:30, gave a pass.

Some of the girls seem to have moved to better hotels. Last two nights in westin as well as fairmont, met 2-4 pretty girls at the bar who finally ended up offerring for 1500. Pass as I was way too drunk at that time.

Are there any good Karaoke bars still on? Didn't see much on the forum recently. Wanted to try it at least once. Please let me know. Would appreciate your help. Pm is active.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

The place next to Buddha's is back up. However, it's not a walk-in. I've been notified via QQ. Sometimes the door will be locked. However, if they see a foreigner, they might be OK with you.

450 for FS. 400 on second visit when mentioned.

Not too many girls to choose from but a couple are very much worth the price.

R. I. P. Manhattan and R. I. P. Fun-place Shanghai.

I think this is the end.

Most likely because we have a valued guest visiting our town. Or should I say HIS town.

"Most of Xintiandi's south block has been shut down until around 1 pm today for "electrical maintenance. " Most of the office buildings in the complex have also been given a day off (eeyyy), and some shops might remain closed throughout the day. But at least the restaurants should be open again in time for a late lunch. Just keep that in mind if you're planning to stop by.

You may also have noticed heightened security on the metro and a lot more traffic today. We can only speculate which recently feted head of state is visiting our fair city to warrant such disruption to our lunch plans. ".

[URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/community/xintiandi-closed-till-lunchtime-for-electrical-maintenance[/URL]

And yes Xijinping was seen walking the streets of Xintiandi.

Now with the mayor and party chiefs being his former assistants, he has finally taken controle of this nice city from the Jiang Zemin gang.

Lets hope this trip marks the end of the Shanghai siege!

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2100450]Most likely because we have a valued guest visiting our town. Or should I say HIS town.

"Most of Xintiandi's south block has been shut down until around 1 pm today for "electrical maintenance. " Most of the office buildings in the complex have also been given a day off (eeyyy), and some shops might remain closed throughout the day. But at least the restaurants should be open again in time for a late lunch. Just keep that in mind if you're planning to stop by.

You may also have noticed heightened security on the metro and a lot more traffic today. We can only speculate which recently feted head of state is visiting our fair city to warrant such disruption to our lunch plans. ".

[URL]http://www.smartshanghai.com/wire/community/xintiandi-closed-till-lunchtime-for-electrical-maintenance[/URL]

And yes Xijinping was seen walking the streets of Xintiandi.

Now with the mayor and party chiefs being his former assistants, he has finally taken controle of this nice city from the Jiang Zemin gang.

Lets hope this trip marks the end of the Shanghai siege![/QUOTE]Do you think Manhattan will open again soon? Had it ever been closed in the past in similar ways for a short time?

Still shut. About 15 Viet ladies turned into streetwalkers on that road. Could probably cut a good deal just to get them out of the cold, but not my night. A number of them relocated to The Spot, and Judy's seemed to be going strong. We'll see what life is like after Pres Xi hits the road.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2100535]Still shut. About 15 Viet ladies turned into streetwalkers on that road. Could probably cut a good deal just to get them out of the cold, but not my night. A number of them relocated to The Spot, and Judy's seemed to be going strong. We'll see what life is like after Pres Xi hits the road.[/QUOTE]But why is one closed and the other still open?

Had this one being closed already ever before?

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2100549]But why is one closed and the other still open?

Had this one being closed already ever before?[/QUOTE]I have been reading this board and going to shanghai for 8 years. I only remember it being closed once before and only for a day or two. There was a fire once and it was closed for less than 3 days. I don't know what did the other closing back then but this is definitely different. If the other working girls are doing fine down the street, I can only guess it was something else at Manhattans. Not paying off the police, or someone there causing trouble, or maybe a friend of a friend no longer in power.

I've seen massage places I loved get closed so the chinese could put something else there. No telling what will be next. This came on pretty suddenly. For the short term there has to be WG looking for work to make rent and make the trip from Viet land worth it. Long term if it doesn't pan out the girls may no longer come back.

I got pinged by a Viet girl (I am in the US). We had been together before and she was out trolling to see who she could find. Cute 2 o something spinner.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2100349]I was also there last Saturday night.

When I arrived in the area I saw a black police SUV with its lights flashing, parked across the street from Manhattan. Watching the action. It just made me a little nervous that they were showing they knew what was transpiring.

I opted to conduct business at Judy's instead. And had a great session with one of the nice Viets there.

Red Rider.[/QUOTE]Another interpretation of the police SUV with flashing lights out front: Friendly notice that girls with overstayed visas or people with other types of problems should stay away before a later check. Might be wishful thinking, but it seems too early to judge the outcome of all this.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2100549]But why is one closed and the other still open?

Had this one being closed already ever before?[/QUOTE]Judy (the actual person) is very well connected.

Yesterday, Xi Jinping and the other members of the Standing Committee were in town, the Donald will come later this month, don't expect things getting better until then. Afterwards. We'll, let's see.

Lev.

Friends,

I am here till Saturday (for a week) - Have visited Judy's twice now. Going well and strong. Can any of the seniors please help (through pm) with at least one more place I could try (Preference is Karaoke with hostess, as it's unique shanghai experience I Massage Other pickup bars like Judy's). I know the situation is bad, but willing to take risk. Will post the update / FR if the person sharing the lead is okay (considering the bad times).

Would really appreciate your help. Thanks.

Safe Mongering,

LC.

[QUOTE=Keric333;2100403]The place next to Buddha's is back up. However, it's not a walk-in. I've been notified via QQ. Sometimes the door will be locked. However, if they see a foreigner, they might be OK with you.

450 for FS. 400 on second visit when mentioned.

Not too many girls to choose from but a couple are very much worth the price.[/QUOTE]I was planning to go tonight and contact told me they were informed to not open for the time being. Probably due to someone being in town.

And now we have to wait till trump arrives and leaves to see if the situation changes.

Arghhhh.

I've been checking out MPs, only to get so many veggie massages. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Levitian;2100744]Judy (the actual person) is very well connected.

Yesterday, Xi Jinping and the other members of the Standing Committee were in town, the Donald will come later this month, don't expect things getting better until then. Afterwards. We'll, let's see.

Lev.[/QUOTE]Yes Trump will have his asia trip from 3rd to 14th of Nov. I think China is on the 8-9th of Nov.

Lets hope situation will be better in Shanghai after that (even if he only goes to Beijing, there will prolly be some delegation meetings in Shanghai away from the summit).

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2090647] (Obama's visit last year did not affect Shanghai's mongering scene. Not sure why Trump's would.).[/QUOTE]Have to see if the weather will improve afterwards, or whether the whole climate change thing is because of a new sheriff in town.

But what I still do not understand:

Manhattan is just a bar, nothing illegal is going on inside like in Spas or Sauna. Action will only Happen in your privat Hotel. Until then: you can take a drink, talk, watch.

What will all the beautiful Viet girls do if those bars will be closed? Has anyone information or tips for me? Then please PM to me.

I really hope they open the bar again, please keep us informed if anyone is locally present.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2100953]But what I still do not understand:

Manhattan is just a bar, nothing illegal is going on inside like in Spas or Sauna. Action will only Happen in your privat Hotel. Until then: you can take a drink, talk, watch.

What will all the beautiful Viet girls do if those bars will be closed? Has anyone information or tips for me? Then please PM to me.

I really hope they open the bar again, please keep us informed if anyone is locally present.[/QUOTE]In China, LE can make things happen regardless of the letter of the law. However, the obvious legitimate issues that could lead to closing a bar, at least temporarily, would be fire code violations from being too crowded (mentioned previously as a problem at manhattan), the presence of too many girls with expired visas, and any illegal substances.

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2100953]But what I still do not understand:

Manhattan is just a bar, nothing illegal is going on inside like in Spas or Sauna. Action will only Happen in your privat Hotel. Until then: you can take a drink, talk, watch.

What will all the beautiful Viet girls do if those bars will be closed? Has anyone information or tips for me? Then please PM to me.

I really hope they open the bar again, please keep us informed if anyone is locally present.[/QUOTE]In China the police can detain anyone for 30 days at a time without arresting you. So needless to say raiding an establishment and detaining anyone there requires no just cause other than the desire to do so. Nothing illegal is necessary. Of course it obviously makes matters easier if the police discover something actually illegal in the process.

The infamous massage spa in Jingan on Wanhangdu road neat the corner street Wuning Road is open. It's in the alley. Had my first rub and tug there in 08. Many fond memories of that one and the Beijing rd location that now is a noodle house. Two on Xinzha road near Wagas also open.

Walking around Pudong I see the white tape that covered many establishment doors is now removed; however, many places are operating on a reduced level of service. My local Spring Massage has an entire floor dedicated to the provision of extras, but it has yet to reopen, and the MMS says 'In Nov'- well, I'm still waiting.

Shanxi north # 851 Spa at Changping Road corner is open. #18 is available. Taste of Fujian.

Will be in Shanghai 4 until 12 November.

Is the Ba Li Ya sauna in zhaojiabang road still open?

Tried Rogue Bar today. Crowd was good, but mostly non-working girls. But basic pickup skills should work (saw a lot of groups merging together and having fun). Also, some WGs were hanging out around the bar for company.

On my way up and down on Zhongshan East 1 road. Almost 10 girls and 2 pimps approached for massage with happy ending. Usually starts with a conversation that they want to have a drink in the local bar. Followed by the question of massage and sex. 200 Yuan offered for massage with FS. Soliciting even in front of traffic police. Looked like a perfect scam to me. So gave it a pass (though it was tempting to take a look at girls at least).

Judy's still going strong, late night visit.

Safe Mongering.

LC.

Here in Shanghai for a few days and been reading about the weather and it doesn't sound any better. Have the weekend free before business and would like some recommendations for safest fun. Did Sauna last time, but those sound a bit dodgy. Is Judy's a safe and good option on thee weekends? I have never been. Any other suggestions? Please PM.

I walked by a SPA today (on Panyu Rd) that previously included a BBBJ CIM finish as part of a 448 rmb massage. I never reported on this place before because the providers were fat, ugly 30-somethings and so I regretted it the 2 times that I went. Anyway, the reason why I am posting about it now is because the place is being totally gutted out. Obviously, the owner sold the business and something new is coming in its place. This suggests to me that the previous owner did not think he'd be able to go back to business.

Or maybe his fat, ugly 30-somethings weren't attracting enough business to sustain him?

Red Rider.

[QUOTE=RedRider;2101673]Or maybe his fat, ugly 30-somethings weren't attracting enough business to sustain him?

Red Rider.[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah, that probably played a significant role too.

If anyone of you is tonight in Jody's we can meet for a pint or two. I am the tall one mid 40 ties with pony tail. Could use a wing man as I already was not able to enter Ba Li Ya sauna. I guess they are closed for non Chinese people, as I saw a Chinese enter just when I left.

Passed by Saturday night. Judy's was hopping now that competition gone.

About 25 Viet girls now streetwalkers. Lots of touts. If the cops wanted to clean things up, opposite is happening. The Manhattan scene has spilled into the street. However, less comfortable for discerning customer to make a selection on the street than in the bar. Best option to see what you like and invite her into a conventional bar like The Spot for a drink.

As I scooter around town, I see some low-end massage places reopening, others still shuttered.

Still too early to tell whether the authorities loosening their grip.

Was in Judy's last night. Crowded place even as they only allow a certain number of girls. Prices went strongly up as it is now nearly only place for mongers. 1500 - 2000 for short time and more as 3000 for long time even for Tuscany not as good looking ones. The better ones even more expensive. Hopefully some sauna will reopen during the week. Got a sexy mix of Vietnam and Thailand for 1500 and got two rounds. However then she complains to get more money as I did two times she is on wechat as dianlyly. Highly recommanded very pritty and perfect tits. Would rate her 9.5 out of 10 .

Had many a nice session at this joint. Let's share our favorites there via PM. It's open for business. 288 rmb. 268 if you reserve with QQ. A few steps from line 13, exit four. Go right out the exit. You will see a photo and a sign about beauty. Etc, A hallway with elevator at the end.

Arrived 9:30 pm. Quiet but few girls about. Got busier by 10:30 pm and business seemed as normal.

Took my favourite girl back. Got drunk and fucked hard incl Anal. Beautiful sight to behold as her pussy got soaked as my cock was in her ass. Left me at 10:30 am and had a great Sunday with good memories. Willl repeat.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2102086]Passed by Saturday night. Judy's was hopping now that competition gone.

.[/QUOTE]Is manhattans absolutely not coming back? Are there indications like signs down and such?

After the crazy Saturday night. Met a wechat contact. 21 yo local girl.

She came to my hotel and came straight to room. Didn't FK but some nice neck work.

She wanked me off as I made her pussy wet. It was really wet.

Then multiple positions and came with her on top of me. 25 minutes of sex.

Relaxed with her next to me. Then I was still horny and the little blue pills were still raging.

She wanked me off again until I came. Dressed and fucked off.

1000 damage and I'm OK with that.

May see her again although it was just a wet pussy and no real passion which I prefer.

Re Manhattans. I passed by Sat night. No signs up but all locked up and nothing to suggest it was ever a pleasure dome.

Judys was rocking though. See my previous report.

[QUOTE=RebelLeader;2102464]After the crazy Saturday night. Met a wechat contact. 21 yo local girl.

She came to my hotel and came straight to room. Didn't FK but some nice neck work.

She wanked me off as I made her pussy wet. It was really wet.

Then multiple positions and came with her on top of me. 25 minutes of sex.

Relaxed with her next to me. Then I was still horny and the little blue pills were still raging.

She wanked me off again until I came. Dressed and fucked off.

1000 damage and I'm OK with that..[/QUOTE]Hi Rebel,

Can you please email me in which hotel you did stay? How many stars?

Have you any recommendations about hotels with no trouble?

Will be there in 3 days. Meeting?

Please PM to me.

[QUOTE=GregoryB;2096875]Tried that girl Wenli from classifieds she is real and really worth. Haha.

But her mobile and even wechat is wrong.

Took me a while in google to find the correct ones.

It was very worth it while, though.

Gregory.[/QUOTE]I also had a session with Wenli. Can confirm that she is real and has a nice personality. English is decent. Also provides a nice massage and does not rush.

Hu Jing from SNG is still taking appointments. If you are a frequent contributor on here then PM me if you need her contact info. I had a couple of nice sessions with her last month.

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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2103183]Hu Jing from SNG is still taking appointments. If you are a frequent contributor on here then PM me if you need her contact info. I had a couple of nice sessions with her last month.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've used her as well. She is quite nice and still is popular enough to do 1-2 sessions / day. Not quite as pretty as 3-4 years ago, but still classy.

I was walking around in that area and I think I saw a BBS at around 805 and. Shaanxi Lu? Anyone have any intel on it?

Any hotel near peoples square where girl can simply go up to the room without elevator card or check-in?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2103519]Any hotel near peoples square where girl can simply go up to the room without elevator card or check-in?[/QUOTE]I usually stay at Howard Johnson Hotel near People Square and Nanjing Shopping Street. It is 5 star hotel and never a problem taking a girl upstairs. Never have been stopped or asked for girl ID.

[QUOTE=Canada;2103643]I usually stay at Howard Johnson Hotel near People Square and Nanjing Shopping Street. It is 5 star hotel and never a problem taking a girl upstairs. Never have been stopped or asked for girl ID.[/QUOTE]Awesome, thanks, Canada!

[QUOTE=RebelLeader;2102464]After the crazy Saturday night. Met a wechat contact. 21 yo local girl.

She came to my hotel and came straight to room. Didn't FK but some nice neck work.

She wanked me off as I made her pussy wet. It was really wet.

Then multiple positions and came with her on top of me. 25 minutes of sex.

Relaxed with her next to me. Then I was still horny and the little blue pills were still raging.

She wanked me off again until I came. Dressed and fucked off.

1000 damage and I'm OK with that.

May see her again although it was just a wet pussy and no real passion which I prefer.

Re Manhattans. I passed by Sat night. No signs up but all locked up and nothing to suggest it was ever a pleasure dome.

Judys was rocking though. See my previous report.[/QUOTE]1000 rmb gets you all night full service multiple shots- not a hand Job. Please don't raise the bar (pun intended) for the rest of us punters. The only woman I have ever paid more for in China was actually the madam / owner of a local bar in Shanghai with full service girls - 2000 rmb all night. Took her home on my e-bike at 11:00 am the next morning. She was probably about 40 I think.

[QUOTE=Skeggles;2103869]1000 rmb gets you all night full service multiple shots- not a hand Job. Please don't raise the bar (pun intended) for the rest of us punters. The only woman I have ever paid more for in China was actually the madam / owner of a local bar in Shanghai with full service girls - 2000 rmb all night. Took her home on my e-bike at 11:00 am the next morning. She was probably about 40 I think.[/QUOTE]Yeah. But it was more than a HJ. It was sex then HJ. She was a Chinese girl and I was horny. But I wouldn't repeat for that cash. Next time I'll negotiate lower. Sorry for price inflation.

Does anybody know what happened to this site? Is the German guy running this left Shanghai?

[QUOTE=Geshtasp;2104092]Does anybody know what happened to this site? Is the German guy running this left Shanghai?[/QUOTE]If you read back a few pages, the page was shut down and the guy running it is currently facing charges. Really sad since it was a solid source of information. Bangkok mirror version of the site still appears to be up and running though.

I'm mostly a reader on here and I wanted to say how much I appreciate all the tips and advice from everyone. As an effort to give back, I wanted to share some information about a sauna that is currently operating, despite the bad weather situation.

I was there last night around 11 pm. I only have a few nights in town so I decided to risk it.

This was relatively small place, but it was by no means hiding. Entrance was on street level in a nice neighborhood near the Bund. The door is wide open to the street right next to some very high end apartment buildings / developments. Probably less than a 10 minute taxi ride from the riverfront. I'd say there were at least 6-8 rooms. Typical set up with table shower area and dry bed area setup. I saw at least 8 girls working, but only two were available when it was choosing time. This place doesn't have a traditional viewing room with mirrors, etc. There are no comfy chair waiting rooms with TVs, etc. There is just a small waiting area near the door where you can charge your phone.

The girls were presented on a stairway and wore schoolgirl uniforms and a number tag. I chose one with an extremely pretty face and a traditional Chinese body with solid B cups, I'd say she was around 20 - but really, who can tell? Also she was wearing 6 inch heels.

Service was exactly what you'd expect from a place like this. I would not say this was above average in quality, but it was exactly what I wanted. Most importantly it was actually open, so that counts for everything right now. I left a satisfied customer, but there are (or were) much better experiences at other saunas to be had before the current situation.

If anyone is interested in the details, feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=NRock;2104128]If you read back a few pages, the page was shut down and the guy running it is currently facing charges. Really sad since it was a solid source of information. Bangkok mirror version of the site still appears to be up and running though.[/QUOTE]Thank you, could you please kindly provide the link or how to get the link? Many Thanks, Geshtasp.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2103860]Awesome, thanks, Canada![/QUOTE]The Hotel is no longer called Howard Johnson, as management have changed. It is called Guxiang Hotel. Not tried since the change.

Ranrod.

Arrived in bar about 9:50 pm. Sat outside and watched the world go by. Thought about heading to Judys but decide I couldn't be bothered. Loaded wechat to discover who's nearby. One caught my eye, sent a Hello, and got reply.

Offered me massage for 400. She said she was close by so I invited her to bar. Better to interview before action. 10 minutes later she's there and looks great. Bought a drink and chatted. Not great at English but thanks to tech we can translate.

Asked if she'the like to stay the night. At first she was reluctant but I guess my charms and good looks changed her mind.

Back to hotel. Shower. Then massage. Which turned to full sex when I rubbed her wet pussy. She bought a nice oil along so after the sex she used the oil for massage and then slowly massaged my cock until I erupted cum everywhere.

Woke 8 am. Gave her a 100 tip and off she went. She offered me sex in the morning but I declined as I'm saving myself for tonight. That will be another report. Thank god for bars. Technology, sexyfucking women and free cash for these moments.

[QUOTE=Ramrod;2104181]The Hotel is no longer called Howard Johnson, as management have changed. It is called Guxiang Hotel. Not tried since the change.

Ranrod.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads-up.

Hi guys,

What experience I have must made you will never believe:

I went to Judy's and drink a bit too much. Someone said he would bring me to another place where girls are private.

At that place, my memories went away, I suppose some had given me knock-out-drops. Fortunately I got the number of the guy who took me there. Next morning I recognized all my cash is out of my wallet (thousands of RMB). I directly checked my creditcArd balance and it was a transfer of approx 2. 500€ . I was shocked! I contacted the guy whom number I have and said to him I will call police if I don't get back my money.

I don't know if they are afraid or what else, but after 2 days they gave me back my money in cash. For the Euro we had been together in a bank where I got the original notes, no counterfeit money.

I should sign that I received the refund and that I don't decline at my bank, what I did as well. I directly contacted my bank and blocked my card.

I don't know what I should think: Chinese people could be nice and friendly criminals?

[QUOTE=Lando1906;2104267]I went to Judy's and drink a bit too much. Someone said he would bring me to another place where girls are private.

At that place, my memories went away, I suppose some had given me knock-out-drops. Fortunately I got the number of the guy who took me there. Next morning I recognized all my cash is out of my wallet (thousands of RMB). I directly checked my creditcArd balance and it was a transfer of approx 2. 500 . I was shocked! I contacted the guy whom number I have and said to him I will call police if I don't get back my money.


I don't know what I should think: Chinese people could be nice and friendly criminals?[/QUOTE]You were lucky you woke up with both your kidneys still.

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows some wechat chat contacts for any girls looking for some business. I'll be in Shanghai in February but it sounds like Shanghai is on lockdown. Haven't been to an MP or sauna outside of Hawaii but I'd figure there would be time constraints like it is here. Anyone willing to share can PM me.

Thanks.

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[QUOTE=RobSH;2104293]You were lucky you woke up with both your kidneys still.[/QUOTE]You are right, I haven't thought about this danger before, shit!

I will forget this unbelievable drama soon and for me it's the end of mongering this time.

[QUOTE=Rongyao;2104313]Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows some wechat chat contacts for any girls looking for some business. I'll be in Shanghai in February but it sounds like Shanghai is on lockdown. Haven't been to an MP or sauna outside of Hawaii but I'd figure there would be time constraints like it is here. Anyone willing to share can PM me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]PM rules aside, not trying to be a jerk, but you could be the police trying to trap the girls or the guys providing the info too.

I'm mostly a reader on here. Thank you all for your sharing.

[QUOTE=Geshtasp;2104092]Does anybody know what happened to this site? Is the German guy running this left Shanghai?[/QUOTE]I guess the guy is in trouble. Maybe his visa won't be extended. Both the SH and the BJ contact ladies don't reply me, even though I met the BJ girl before.

And to be honest. I write this because I hope somebody can help me to find Beibei, the awesome little girl in Shanghai. Who knows her too?

T.

Contacted a philly girl on Badoo and then wechat about 3 weeks ago. Been chatting ever since and managed to meet last night. Had a meal together then walked back to hotel. Got back about 8:30 pm.

She showered and then asked me to join her. Got in and she got on her knees with the shower still pouring all over us and gave a superb BJ. Then I fingered here from behind whilst pulling her fucking amazing nipples.

Got dryer and onto main event. In bed and she sucks me some more then bends over and says the magic words. Fuck my ass babe. On with the lube and gently pushed it in. Normally I cum in no time at all but when I take the little blue pills it takes me fort to cum. We fucked for about 40 minutes. Both drenched in sweat. Then I came whilst still inside her ass.

Brilliant. Cuddles on bed. Some drink. I was in no condition for round two. So we slept.

Woke at 7 am and fucked again. This time she was riding me. Cowgirl. My pill was still having effect so I was rock hard. Eventually I came inside her again. (All protected). And then showered.

She works here and didn't want any money. Except metro far home. I dropped her 200 rmb. What a bargain. She loves me of course. And wanted my Facebook contacts etc. Luckily I'm old enough to not use fb so that's great.

She was a sweetie without being amazing looking. Real natural province philly but there is something about that Asian ass that I can't resist.

Good final fuck before fucking off to sunnier climates next week.

Was really worried that my Shanghai trip would be a disaster with all the LE shot going down. But it's been the best visit yet.

Cheers and good luck to you all. Fuck while you're young.