Someone caught an std in one of these clubs and VV is now charging 40 for half an hour; Crema and Maja seem to have moved to VV from Arabella. All relevant I would say.
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Someone caught an std in one of these clubs and VV is now charging 40 for half an hour; Crema and Maja seem to have moved to VV from Arabella. All relevant I would say.
[QUOTE=Free Dude; 1425606]Someone caught an std in one of these clubs
Crema and Maja seem to have moved to VV from Arabella. All relevant I would say.[/QUOTE]So "someone" got an STD, and some girls "seem" to have moved.
Any REAL relevant info there, please? Some info that YOU have personally got, not jut repeating things that you read elsewhere?
STDs" I have last year got gonorhea from BBBJ from one girl in Mainhattan,"
That's a recent quote from the general FKK thread. Bottom line, you can catch an STD everywhere, what matters is what you do, not where you do it.
Hey guys,,
I'm headed to Germany in a month an have been RTFF but I can't find the answer in this thread. Do these three clubs test you when you enter with one of the rapid HIV tests or any other STD tests before letting the guys in? If so is that charge included in the entry price or if not, what is the cost for the test?
I'd like to try one of these places but I'd be more comfortable with it if they're testing guys prior to entry.
Also are any of these places reachable without a rental car? Could I take a train from FRA?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Why are you so worried about the risks of AO being mentioned once in a while? As for the other part, how do you think forums work? Especially this kind of 'once in a blue moon in Germany' forum; people that keep up to date on more informative places and / or talk to regular clubvisitors might be willing to share that information.
For anyone who knows about these clubs, Crema moving is a fairly big thing since she was the most popular girl in Arabella (and for her first few months there she was probably the most popular girl in any of the AO clubs.
But if you insist:
Line up is growing in VV with 14 girls this Sunday (pretty good for a Sunday) and all girls bar Andrea offering AO.
Some girls missing and no Crema or Maja, but Maja's sister Lilly was there (also used to be at Arabella).
Three Bulgarian girls from Grimberg (Natalya, Mary and?) were there, but are going back to Grimberg soon.
Bianca, Mara, Monika, Aida, Florentina (could easily work in any other club) were also there. I can't think of the 4 others right now.
Some more info; price now 40 per session, but on mondays back to 30 and no entry fee (according to a girl, didn't see it mentioned anywhere else).
Some guys seem to like fuck in other people's sperm (schlamschieben it's called) and try to catch girls before they go clean up; some also like to do some DATY first, but that might be the end of any DFK with some of the Romanians.
One of the girls I asked after apparantly caught an STD as well; the kind that gets progressively worse for 9 months, and you never really get rid of it.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1427003]Some guys seem to like fuck in other people's sperm (schlamschieben it's called) and try to catch girls before they go clean up; some also like to do some DATY first, but that might be the end of any DFK with some of the Romanians.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a real classy joint. Can't wait to visit. Maybe after they tear the place down.
One of the girls I asked after apparantly caught an STD as well; the kind that gets progressively worse for 9 months, and you never really get rid of it.[/QUOTE]That hooker is lucky if thats all she catches!
[QUOTE=Woofiee; 1425048]I'm speaking specifically about businesses or events that don't sufficiently test their women, and specifically I'm speaking about many of the listings I see now in the Partytreff section about AO gang-bang parties, glory-holes and parking-lot events that can't possibly be safe. Do I see them as unsafe? Yeah. I do. They have dangerous sex and now they're telling me how much effective safety I should expect in an FKK club, lowering the standard for all of us.[/QUOTE]What standard? What safety? Like I wrote elsewhere: The lung cancer risk for and from the chainsmoking girls at some places are far bigger than the risk of contracting an STD. Getting damaged from travelling to Germany from abroad is also more likely than getting infected with an STD. As for AIDS, I think it's even more likely to get struck by lightning than contracting it at an AO-Party, tested or not. I think it's unsafe to board an airplane and fly halfway across the world, as I think it's unsafe to sail across the ocean on a ship. So I don't do it. But I don't go running around telling everybody about how unsafe I consider flying and cruising, whether they want to hear it or not. But when it comes to AO-sex, everybody who is too scared from decades of brainwashing propaganda thinks he has to issue warning based on his beliefs, whether it's correct or not or if it's wanted or not. If you don't want to do it, fine. Then don't. Continue playing with rubbers if you like. (Damn, I now just sound like nearly every AO-couple that has a profile on portals like Poppen de. They also need to constantly remind some selfproclaimed moralizers that they have no business to tell them how to live their sexlife.)
As for the AO-Calendar in the Partytreff forum: That started out as MY personal partylist, which got expanded some due to the interest it found and some posts from a few other guys. And since my maps get nearly 2000 hits per month by now, as unlisted maps with links from only two fora, I'd say that there are enough people interested in AO to keep them updated continuously. If you don't like it, don't read it. I specifically started the Calendar thread to seperate those party lists from other threads. The fact that there are by now over 10 threads about Bareback / AO on ISG also suggests a huge enough interest to justify it. Wanking already suggested to create a seperate Germany AO forum, but Jackson obviously didn't go for that. So we will continue in the Partytreff Clubs forum as before. Too bad that this discussion started in this thread here in the FKK Clubs forum, but that's just the way it is. And for what it's worth: Lately I'm hearing more and more stories that AO happens at nearly every FKK too, only quietly and covertly and mostly with regular customers.
[QUOTE]Speak for yourselves and that's fine, but don't dare tell me that I can't tell when or where I caught something. I don't bother mongering here in Europe much, so if I caught something it's likely that I'd know *exactly* from where I got it at.[/QUOTE]No. I deny that you know *exactly* where you got it, if you ever should have gotten it. I for one could never tell where I had contracted Gonorrhea. I did however check on the couples and two of the single guys I last had bareback sex and AO Gangbangs with back then, neither the women nor the guys that fucked them after I creampied their already filled pussies contracted Gonorrhea. So I didn't get it from them and they didn't get it from me. So where did I get it from? I haven't the faintest idea! By now, I'm even open to the possibility that Gonorrhea, although a venereal disease, is not transmitted sexually; at least not initially. Kinda like a stomach bug is not transmitted by food. Did anyone have similar experiences? And please, only replies from people who already had to deal with this crappy infection! Anybody else doesn't know what they are talking about anyway. Because I would really like to know how I had gotten it, to avoid any future infections. Because I surely did not get it from fucking. Why else would I be the only one among those I had sex and parties with in the week before the outbreak?
I also think any further discussion on this subject matter should be exchanged in a neutral thread, like the General Info thread or the Bareback AO thread.
[QUOTE]Would you contact them and tell them you contracted Gonorrhea from one of their regulars? Or is that just the price of admission to the AO club?
Would / Should the FKK be closed down? If it's a one-off and they remove the threat, no way. If it's from sloppy testing practices, what do you do. Give a warning? That should be the case, but we also are smart enough to know there are gangs and criminal elements that run these, and a lot of greased palms in the business. DO I trust them to do the right thing? Do mongers contact the police? Does anything actually happen?[/QUOTE]Rest assured, I would have! I was at a party in 2012, where I had heard an hour or so after it happened that they had kicked a guy out, because one of the women had noticed the yellowish dripping right before his first session. If I had learned about this while he was still there, he would NOT have left, except in handcuffs! And for the record: It was not in one of the clubs this thread is about and I won't mention the place where it happened, because doing so would be completely useless by now. And if I would have mentioned it in my report about that party from last year, then that info would still be on forum, with no purpose than to still ruin the reputation of the place. Even though there is not much to ruin there, but for other reasons.
[QUOTE]The only advantage we have is shared information, so what I want to know is why, when there's a threat, would you not name the club?
You want to talk fairness, but you're also being completely unfair to we mongers who you may be letting walk in harm's way.[/QUOTE]Again, what good is a warning that comes too late? Sharing information is good, but only as long as it is still true. But with a forum like this, the information still lives on and badmouths the place long after the infection is gone. So aside from being victimized by an irresponsible guy who brings the infection there, they now also have to suffer from info that by now is out of date. All this contingent on Gonorrhea actually being transmitted sexually. I would not let anybody walk into harms way. But I won't issue warning about something that isn't true or current anymore either. First thing you do is track back the people you had sex with during the incubation time and inform them and share information with them. Then you have to be SURE about where you got it, before shouting out your information to the world at large. I did all that and came up empty last year. But I was given some kind of an evil eye at a place where I had a remote suspicion about, when I got there the next time. Because I had send them all to the doctor for nothing with voicing my concern to them after I had gotten infected elsewhere. So what good would it have done if I had put my suspicion of forum? And it would still be on here today?
Lastly, it was said in another thread that a certain woman might be infected as well. That info wasn't even true, but it still is on forum. As are the denials and clarifications I added on after checking up on her. It turned out that it was a case of mistaken identity with two women who had the same name. And I still don't know if the info on the original woman was true. So please, use a little common sense before posting anything about anybody contracting anything and make sure you get the facts straight. Then think about how you would feel if you were falsely proclaimed as being disease-ridden on a forum. I had my share of cybermobbing on a completely different (non-sexual) matter already, I can assure you it's no fun at all if you read some stuff about yourself or hear some romours about yourself that aren't true.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1427003]Why are you so worried about the risks of AO being mentioned once in a while?[/QUOTE]And why do you think they have to be mentioned every once in a while? Whereas other way more common risks (smoking, flying, skydiving, motorcycling and so forth) are not mentioned at all. But AO-sex, hey: Here we have something which we can socially accepted use to trample on the lifestyle of a minority without being labeled sexist or racist or chauvinist or some other -ist. Whoooo, they do something that the vast majority of the population has been scared into not-to-do. Better give them warning, before they start to proclaim that the world isn't flat.
There's risk's involved in this hobby, especially since we are seeing working girls. Anytime any newbie asks what the risks are we are all ready to pipe in and say "there's no risk if you stay at home". So why is it that guys who frequently get AO service refuse to acknowledge the fact that their risks are highest?
I have to say, this thread is now the AO thread in the Fkk forum. You throw in three different clubs in the headline and then add 'nrw ao clubs' to the end you've just made a general area to chat about AO clubs. Look at the reports on the clubs themselves, you can't even tell what club half the guys are refering to in their post.
To summarize guys want to talk about AO clubs but don't want to be reminded about the higher risks associated with this type of service.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1427186]To summarize guys want to talk about AO clubs but don't want to be reminded about the higher risks associated with this type of service.[/QUOTE]Correct. And we don't want this no more than you would like to be constantly reimded of the "immorality" of indulging in the hobby by feminists. Guys who come to the Ao threads to preach agaisnt AO are as intolerant that those feminists coming to sex forum to preach agaisnt prostitution.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1428377]Correct. And we don't want this no more than you would like to be constantly reimded of the "immorality" of indulging in the hobby by feminists. Guys who come to the Ao threads to preach agaisnt AO are as intolerant that those feminists coming to sex forum to preach agaisnt prostitution.[/QUOTE]Sharing relevant experiences is not the same as preaching. Nobody has been preaching here, just relating experiences. Nobody mentioning anything about morality eather.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1428377]Correct. And we don't want this no more than you would like to be constantly reimded of the "immorality" of indulging in the hobby by feminists. Guys who come to the Ao threads to preach agaisnt AO are as intolerant that those feminists coming to sex forum to preach agaisnt prostitution.[/QUOTE]Sorry. Let me be more clear: You're [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] and you're endangering us all.
Your comparison is specious and disregards my position entirely. This was about a person who likely caught something at a club and whether they were right in not saying where it happened.
These AO events need to be run scrupulously, and from what I read here on ISG they're not. Of course some guys get into that sense of danger, but then they also go to other clubs, as do the girls. Whether you admit it or not, this particular practice will spread problems to other venues and in the long run weakens the sport.
If you can't figure this out, you're just an ostrich with their head in the sand. And their little head in the guillotine.
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[QUOTE=Woofiee; 1428598]These AO events need to be run scrupulously, and from what I read here on ISG they're not. Of course some guys get into that sense of danger, but then they also go to other clubs, as do the girls. Whether you admit it or not, this particular practice will spread problems to other venues and in the long run weakens the sport.
If you can't figure this out, you're just an ostrich with their head in the sand. And their little head in the guillotine.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that there is too much talk about these small, disgusting little clubs and that this type of venue should be in discussed in some sorta dark and dingey sub-directory away from chat about the big time FKK and Sauna Clubs. That way the dimwits who partake in this type of disgusting unsafe behaviour can crawl around in the dark away from normal type regular guy mongers.
[QUOTE=Woofiee; 1428598]Sorry. Let me be more clear: You're an idiot and you're endangering us all.
Your comparison is specious and disregards my position entirely. This was about a person who likely caught something at a club and whether they were right in not saying where it happened.
These AO events need to be run scrupulously, and from what I read here on ISG they're not. Of course some guys get into that sense of danger, but then they also go to other clubs, as do the girls. Whether you admit it or not, this particular practice will spread problems to other venues and in the long run weakens the sport.
If you can't figure this out, you're just an ostrich with their head in the sand. And their little head in the guillotine.[/QUOTE]Have heard this crap since 30 years. Still have my head well posted on my neck, thanks.
I stick to everything I have said. Everyday somebody catches something in every club. If you don't understand that, it is you who is endangering others. And whether somebody singles out a club or not does not change anything to those facts.
If you come to this thread to say what you say, it is preaching.
You are convinced that what you do is fine, and what other do is wrong.
If you were a politician in power, you would be a dictator.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Methuzela;1428616]Seems to me that there is too much talk about these small, disgusting little clubs and that this type of venue should be in discussed in some sorta dark and dingey sub-directory away from chat about the big time FKK and Sauna Clubs. That way the dimwits who partake in this type of disgusting unsafe behaviour can crawl around in the dark away from normal type regular guy mongers.[/QUOTE]No beating around the Bush (pun intended) here, couldn't have said it better myself.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1425067]FYI, I have both PhD and MD[/QUOTE]Can't imagine any doctor giving you the ok to fuck prostitutes without a condom.
After the reports of our morality crusaders, I'd like to add how lucky we are to be able to have a full GFE with a girl beautifull young girl of your choice who is smiling at you waiting in her sofa for only 30 euro. You fuck her with or without protection, thats your choice.
Anyway, Arabella has become my favorite destination. I've had many of the wonderfull girls. Crema is (was, since she is now in Venus) of course the absolute top. But in fact you can choose any of the women in this club and you will be satisfied. They all kiss with tongue, they all suck an they all go bare if you want. On top of that their services are clearly mentioned with their pictures on the front desk. And I've never seen an unfriendly attitude.
My favorite is Andrea. This girl gives it all, including hardcore anal sex.
Last week I took the teen Bonny. SHe's tiny and slender and her ass almost fit in one hand. We were kissing and fondling on the coach before she bent over to blow me. She then sat on my lap and gave me a lapdance. She took my dick, shove it in her thight pussy and started riding me. In public. I had seen more of these public sessions in the lounge but it was actually my first one. After a while I decided to move on to a room, where we continued to have hot sex in any position that I wanted. As she did't want me to come inside her pussy, we finished with a CIM after more excellent sucking and licking of my dick and balls. .
I add some pictures of the general atmosphere in the club.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1428886]Can't imagine any doctor giving you the ok to fuck prostitutes without a condom.[/QUOTE]This shows that you lack imagination.