Guadalajara

CJ,

Go back a few months to a year and read the posts. The Boxing moron has polluted this thread recently, but there is plenty of info. See my posts (and Dickhead's and others) about the esteticas (massage parlors) and how to get there. FS for 400-800 pesos. Not a strong SW scene. Other posts on escorts. Strip clubs over-rated and over-priced in my opinion. Guadalajara is a nice over-all destination with your best bang for the buck at the esteticas such as High Class . . .

-P

you guys are throwing around the word **** like you actually know what it means. the dsm-iv, which the the manual psychiatrists and therapists use to diagnose mental illness defines ****philia as having sex with or being sexually aroused by prepubescent children, generally under the age of twelve. a man having sex in mexico with a sixteen-year-old who appears to be older does not even come close to being the same thing.

take those millions of guys who were jacking off to traci lords in new wave hooker's. were they all ****s because they thought she was eighteen when in actuality she was only fifteen? of course not. get a grip.

if some guy is in his own country having sex with a gal who is over the age of consent then let him be.

CJ,

I assume they are ALL accurate, but tastes and styles vary. Neither DH nor I like to spend a lot of money, so High Class is a fine option. Others report about out-call at higher prices. And some guys just like the strip club vibe. It won't take you long to read it all, compared to the time and cost of a trip . . .

. . . and the "muckraking" is just one clown for the last month - not the normal situation.

Cheers, -P

Hello Mongers -

[quote]According to this site the legal age of consent for sex in Mexico is 12.[/quote]

I just want to let everyone know, and I have posted this in several threads in the Mexico Forum over the past few years - the Age of Consent site is *wrong*.

Someone who is 18+ cannot legally have sex with someone under 18 in Mexico.

The confusion seems to arise in that the penal code specifically makes the exception, the age of consent between two [b]minors[/b] is 12 - 17.

However, this statute is enforceable if the parents or legal guardians of the minor were to file a complaint with the district attorney.

It is common in Mexico for people to avoid prosecution in criminal cases (such as vehicular homicide) by "paying off" the [i]family[/i].

I personally would not want to be in the situation of being a "rich" foreigner trying to negotiate a cash settlement for avoiding a very serious jail sentence.

Also, in 2000 some very specific federal laws were passed concerning the corruption of minors and sexual exploitation, pornography and prostitution, part of the penalty establishes cash value on "moral damages" to the minor.

No thanks, I'd rather be accused of murder, at least there's no death penalty.

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Peter,

I live in the same general area as Guadalajara (just outside of Morelia). The high temp is usually in the low 80's and the low temp is between 45-55. Almost always sunny and bright :)

I lived in Chicago also and I can't even imagine going through another winter.

Hi Country:

I was in Guad a few weeks ago and I do agree it has a weak SW scene, but its there alright. The big street that runs to the left of the Degollado Theatre sort of dips down to an underpass behind the Theatre, and in the corner there is a cheap hotel, "Hotel Paris". There are a number SWs walking around and in the stairways going up to the main plaza. I had two in mid-afternoon. A young mulatto local with a big, frisky ass ("Marta"), and a very friendly and shy Indian girl, can't remember her name. Both told me the scene was active only during the day.

Also, behind Plaza del Mariachi there are several sleazy hotels in the small streets with SW's obviously lurking in the lobbies. Didnt check that out.

Thats about it, I think.

Peterpaul

I find that the normal age of consent is age 18 in most areas of Mexico. Some states do vary on this.

Mexico is struggling to modernize its antiquated justice system, all of which still gurantees absolutley no rights to a woman of any age to have that justice when it involves sex matters.

I'm interested in info about GUADALAJARA for a change. A quick question, what would you say the difference (if any) is in the cost of living between Guadalajara and Tijuana? Are wages the same? Housing? What would be considered a decent wage for the average white collar worker there?

Many thanks. Now I ain't shooting at anyone here Boxing, just an observation OK? For the record, I don't do kids.

Be Safe and BE NICE
Country John

Revised to delete the reference to Poki.

the age of consent laws in the u. s. and elsewhere are very confusing. just because the age of consent is sixteen does not make it legal to have sex with a sixteen-year-old. in washington state the age of consent is sixteen, however, patronizing a sixteen or seventeen-year-old prostitute is a felony. in addition having non-paid consentual sex with a 16 or 17 year old is a gross misdeanor called "communication with a minor for immoral purposes." i believe a lot of states have similiar laws. i would not advise having sex with someone under eighteen anywhere, but particularly in the u. s. and not to preach here, but just because its legal in some third world countries to have sex with minors does not make it right. to quote jackson from the editorials page in part:

"1. as men, it is our responsibility to protect women and children.

2. young girls, as the most vulnerable members of the human race, are especially deserving of our protection.

3. regardless of the specific age when a girl has passed biological puberty, young girls are not emotionally capable of handling the emotional turmoil of prostitution. if you have any teenage daughters yourself, or if you have any friends with teenage daughters, this observation is self-evident.

4. as educated, intelligent, civilized men, we are expected by our peers to operate on a higher moral plain in these matters than other cultures may tolerate. therefore, we do not participate in the exploitation of emotionally **** girls, regardless of the behavior of others."

i agree with him entirely.

now anyone who has mongered extensively has probably at one time or another unknowingly picked up an **** gal. many look years older than they actually are. making this mistake might get you locked up but it does not make you a **** or sick as some seem to think. but i would rather err on the side of caution than share a cell with some really sick individual in mexico or elsewhere.

civ2k

Civ2000, I think you are probably on the right track to err on the side of caution, especially given the confusing nature of the age of consent laws in the US as well as abroad.

There was an interesting case in Indiana a few years ago which involved a Scoutmaster in the Boy Scouts who was buggering some of the scouts in the troop. This chicken hawk was, however, very sly in his approach and very selective about the scouts he engaged in "activities" with. None were under the age of 16 for one thing. When his deeds came to light he was arrested and the prosecuters tried like hell to find something to hang on him but were unable to do so. There are laws in Indiana as in most states which make it illegal for anyone in a "position of authority over" someone, such as schoolteachers and others I would assume to have sex with someone under 18 even though it is consentual. But being a Boy Scout is a voluntary thing and not covered under the letter of the statute as there was no real irrevocable "authority" there which could stand the test of the courts.

Then it came out that he had taken one scout to Chicago on some sort of trip and the Illinois authorities came after him. And Federal authorities came along and tried to bust him under the Mann Act too. But neither IL or US officials were able to even prove that any sex act occured so the cases were dropped. The Scoutmaster was never convicted of anything.

BUT, he expended his life savings on lawyer's fees keeping himself out of the slammer, even though he had broken no laws and was never convicted of ANY crime. So what good does it do to make sure you are obeying the law if the government is going to come after you anyway and de-facto fine you your entire life's savings because what you did seemed immoral to them. Just being on the correct side of the law isn't enough anymore, especially not when there are so many aggressive prosecuters with political aspirations out there just looking for something to be able to crow about at election time.

For what it is worth it is also illegal to have sex with a retarded person regardless of their age. Makes it kind of tough for THEM to get any action, doesn't it? So in addition to checking IDs I guess we must now also start administering IQ tests to anyone we plan to stick our dicks in to make sure they aren't retarded. What a country we live in, and what "leaders" we have who have developed such a talent for finding new and inventive ways to lock up the citizenry and strip them of their assets.

It's been some time since I was in Guadelajara, but I thought I'd post my experience anyways. I was in towm for a week and El Cartier Club was the best that I found. Dance club atmosphere with a hotel attached to it. The bar manager takes care of all the negotiations for the girl. Here's the routine; about every ten songs or so all the available girls get called out and put on pedistals. You then choose the girl you want and take her next door to the hotel. Total cost for me was; $10 to the manager, $10 to the hotel, and $40 to the girl.

I don't remember the name of the girl I chose, but she was a solid 8. Nice almond complection, sandy blonde hair with green eyes. Seems the girls in this part of mexico are more Spanish or South American looking than the border chicks of baja. Anyways this girl was 5'6" and about 115 with an athletic build. 32B and a nice tight butt. Our session started by her taking a shower. She then proceeded to put a condom on me by mouth and gave me a very nice cbj. After some time teasing me we proceeded into fs in multiple positions. She didn't seem rushed at all, after all was done we even sat around trying chat. She was very interested in where I was from and learning english. It was a VERY pleasant experience and probably the best $60 US I have ever spent!

Any recent info on Guadalajara? I was thinking about going down in that area to practice my Spanish. I see there isn't too much recent information on this area. I did scroll back a few pages but just seems like people are fighting with one another. Not cool. Anyway, If I make it down there I'll post what I find out.

Saint

saint,

i go down to guadalajara pretty often... there reallly is not too much new going on there. it is a great city, restaurants, etc. but i think the p2p scene is a little overrated. nothing like the value in ba, and the girls are not as gfe as in most countries in south america.

lately, i have been using the esteticas and have had ok results. sometimes in estetica [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], the girls are hot but its tough getting gfe from them. even when i invite them to my hotel for some after hours fun it is usually the same. i cannot recomend the strip clubs (chaos & the others) as they have way too much pressure, everybody is holding their hand out for a tip, which gets annoying after a while. see my 4-17-03 report about this.

what i have had success with more recently is the non-pro scene. if you go to some of the after-hours clubs, when the other bars close, you should have some luck. the past three times i have done this, i have taken home a nice looking girl.

i have also had some luck with asking some of the taxi drivers for some recomendations. i had this one hook me up with some university students for around $600 pesos or around $55 us. last time i was there, i could not get in contact with him but i had offers from other taxistas.

regaring the restaurants and nightlife, i love guadalajara. good food in some hip new places plus the traditional mexican fare. my favorite hotel is the fiesta americana as it is more mexican than the u.s. chains and you are in a good location at the glorieta minerva. i have never had any problems bringing girls in if you are quiet about it.

anyway, the esteticas are probably your best bet for quality and value p2p. the out call stuff has been dicey at best as i have had to send back as many as i have kept. also, you should not have any problems at all with the non-pro scene if you are there for more than a few weeks. buenos suerte!

ps i also agree that the bickering on this board has made me totally lose interest in posting new updates. also, i will be checking out cali this may due to your excellent reviews.