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No problem as I am sure I will be there by that time.
QUOTE=Papi0170]Thanks BadBear2000!
I have some other commitments that won't allow me to go there until October or November. I will surely get in touch with you when I have everything ready.
Thanks again![/QUOTE]
It has been a three months since I was in Haiti. I am planning to go August 13 or 14 for 10 days. The prices I am about to give you may have changed slightly because of the fuel prices.
1 Taxi from Airport to Hotel was $20 with an argument. I think you can get it still for $25 but no more than $30
2. I think the Imperial Hotel just of Delmars is the best deal going. They have security, a nice little restaurant, wireless internet, and a nice pool. There are usually girls hanging around in the area and it is girl friendly. Three months ago it was $35 cash or $39 credit card per night. I did not ask about a weekly rate
3. In Petionville probably the best prices on food is Harry's which everyone knows the location. At nights there will be hotties going in and out like a parade On the same stree just up from there is Munchees which is a pizza joint with other things and a great place to watch the babes on the street below. Up in Petionville you will find the St Pierre Restaurant which is reasonable in price and the best time to go there is late afternoon until about 8 PM. This place looks like a modeling show as the babes walk by. There will be SWers outside after dark but as I have said before. In Haiti you do not need to get them because the availability of hotties that are willing to please is outstanding as the number of girls per boys is 7 to 1. If you see a Hottie pass by, you just call out to her and invite her over. Make your move from there.
4. Now this is really going to freak you out. The best way to get around is by motor cycle. They are cheap and they get you there quick. They are every where. You pick one and get his telephone number. If you use him all the time he will give you better deals. Due to fuel costs, taxis are getting too expensive but you may get lucky at the hotel since Petionville is just up a little from the Imperial Hotel. If you find a babe you want to take back---just have your driver find another bike for her. Believe me as far as they are concerned this is traveling in style since they are accustomed to Tap Taps.
5. Perfume is a good gift.But Haitian girls like any kind of gift.
Good luck to all
I can also offer another, nuanced answer as Im a resident forpast three months. dont know it as well as Badbear but...
Imperial sounds great, and not a lot of other spots like it. Most places are much more expensive. Bear's refs for eating are good ones, but 'better' restaurants cost closer to real US city prices, except for beer. For the quality of life you get, Haiti's is expensive, even the better souvenirs, i think.
Bear's right that girls are plentiful and security concerns exagerated, a bit. Still, even yesterday a car with plates marked from the National Palace was seen doing a kidnapping, even a girl i know damn near got taken past week. Private motorbikes could be best way to get around as a private visitor, but I'd be careful about it, and travel with another if you can.
I haven't quite simply waved girls over to sit with me, but you might as well. Bear's inspired me to start my own photo collect; i haven't posted any yet and had no idea they would like to have so many taken, and proud to be so sexy. Come then, but be smart about it. Ive lived in some rough places and Haiti requires some street smarts.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]It has been a three months since I was in Haiti. I am planning to go August 13 or 14 for 10 days. The prices I am about to give you may have changed slightly because of the fuel prices.
1 Taxi from Airport to Hotel was $20 with an argument. I think you can get it still for $25 but no more than $30
2. I think the Imperial Hotel just of Delmars is the best deal going. They have security, a nice little restaurant, wireless internet, and a nice pool. There are usually girls hanging around in the area and it is girl friendly. Three months ago it was $35 cash or $39 credit card per night. I did not ask about a weekly rate
3. In Petionville probably the best prices on food is Harry's which everyone knows the location. At nights there will be hotties going in and out like a parade On the same stree just up from there is Munchees which is a pizza joint with other things and a great place to watch the babes on the street below. Up in Petionville you will find the St Pierre Restaurant which is reasonable in price and the best time to go there is late afternoon until about 8 PM. This place looks like a modeling show as the babes walk by. There will be SWers outside after dark but as I have said before. In Haiti you do not need to get them because the availability of hotties that are willing to please is outstanding as the number of girls per boys is 7 to 1. If you see a Hottie pass by, you just call out to her and invite her over. Make your move from there.
4. Now this is really going to freak you out. The best way to get around is by motor cycle. They are cheap and they get you there quick. They are every where. You pick one and get his telephone number. If you use him all the time he will give you better deals. Due to fuel costs, taxis are getting too expensive but you may get lucky at the hotel since Petionville is just up a little from the Imperial Hotel. If you find a babe you want to take back---just have your driver find another bike for her. Believe me as far as they are concerned this is traveling in style since they are accustomed to Tap Taps.
5. Perfume is a good gift.But Haitian girls like any kind of gift.
Good luck to all[/QUOTE]
Good report Global Nomadrr! Very informative!
I hope you give some more detail about the mongering scene, and a whole lot of pictures!
Give us a run down about the girls in the picture.
Thanks! Keep the pictures coming!
[QUOTE=Global Nomadrr]I can also offer another, nuanced answer as Im a resident forpast three months. dont know it as well as Badbear but...
Imperial sounds great, and not a lot of other spots like it. Most places are much more expensive. Bear's refs for eating are good ones, but 'better' restaurants cost closer to real US city prices, except for beer. For the quality of life you get, Haiti's is expensive, even the better souvenirs, i think.
Bear's right that girls are plentiful and security concerns exagerated, a bit. Still, even yesterday a car with plates marked from the National Palace was seen doing a kidnapping, even a girl i know damn near got taken past week. Private motorbikes could be best way to get around as a private visitor, but I'd be careful about it, and travel with another if you can.
I haven't quite simply waved girls over to sit with me, but you might as well. Bear's inspired me to start my own photo collect; i haven't posted any yet and had no idea they would like to have so many taken, and proud to be so sexy. Come then, but be smart about it. Ive lived in some rough places and Haiti requires some street smarts.[/QUOTE]
Global,
Thanks for your report. With the recent posts of BB2000, and your latest addition, this board has a lot of people considering taking a trip to Haiti.
Good show!
P.D.
Hello BB,
Thanks for the info. I was going to try to visit both the DR and Haiti. I'm trying to figure out what is the best mode of transport while there. Any other place that I visit outside the US, I fly in, rent a car, and find a hotel on the fly. I don't do a lot of planning and use the car a lot to find hot spots. But it sounds like car rentals and fuel are very expensive down there.
Do you know about the bus ride from the DR to PAP? Is it safe? Do you have to get off the bus at the Hatian border and have your passport stamped? etc... Do you have any input on the best way to travel once on the island? How would you do it?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]It has been a three months since I was in Haiti. I am planning to go August 13 or 14 for 10 days. The prices I am about to give you may have changed slightly because of the fuel prices.
1 Taxi from Airport to Hotel was $20 with an argument. I think you can get it still for $25 but no more than $30
2. I think the Imperial Hotel just of Delmars is the best deal going. They have security, a nice little restaurant, wireless internet, and a nice pool. There are usually girls hanging around in the area and it is girl friendly. Three months ago it was $35 cash or $39 credit card per night. I did not ask about a weekly rate
3. In Petionville probably the best prices on food is Harry's which everyone knows the location. At nights there will be hotties going in and out like a parade On the same stree just up from there is Munchees which is a pizza joint with other things and a great place to watch the babes on the street below. Up in Petionville you will find the St Pierre Restaurant which is reasonable in price and the best time to go there is late afternoon until about 8 PM. This place looks like a modeling show as the babes walk by. There will be SWers outside after dark but as I have said before. In Haiti you do not need to get them because the availability of hotties that are willing to please is outstanding as the number of girls per boys is 7 to 1. If you see a Hottie pass by, you just call out to her and invite her over. Make your move from there.
4. Now this is really going to freak you out. The best way to get around is by motor cycle. They are cheap and they get you there quick. They are every where. You pick one and get his telephone number. If you use him all the time he will give you better deals. Due to fuel costs, taxis are getting too expensive but you may get lucky at the hotel since Petionville is just up a little from the Imperial Hotel. If you find a babe you want to take back---just have your driver find another bike for her. Believe me as far as they are concerned this is traveling in style since they are accustomed to Tap Taps.
5. Perfume is a good gift.But Haitian girls like any kind of gift.
Good luck to all[/QUOTE]
The bus ride is very pleasant. They have movies and serve a meal while you are in transit. You will have to stop at the border on both sides but the bus line takes care of all the crap. You will have to open your bags when entering the DR much like when you arrive at the airport. The bus personnel will handle the passport stamping. All you do is stand there and wait for your name to be called and then go back to the bus. You will have to go through this on both sides of the border. The bus trip takes about 6 hours but you will see alot of interesting scenery. I will be traveling on a bus from Haiti to the DR on the 18th or 19th of August. Carribe Tours or Terra Bus either one is good even though I am partial to Carribe Tours. In the DR car rental is not too bad but you are better off to get a trust worthy taxi driver as you are only paying him when you are on the move whereas if you have a rental you are constantly paying. If you want to stay in Santo Domingo I recommend the Maison Gautreaux as it is just of the Malecone or board walk. It is located at Felix Mariano Lluberes # 8 Gazue or if you want you can have the taxi call this number for directions 809-412-7837. In Haiti, I still recommend the Imperial Hotel off Delmars. But there rental cars are very expensive and for a new comer it is difficult to drive. I still recommend the motor cycle guys since they are cheap and will get you there in a hurry I have a taxi driver's name and number in the DR and I will have a driver's name in Haiti next week if you want to message me.
[QUOTE=Clamhunt]Hello BB,
Thanks for the info. I was going to try to visit both the DR and Haiti. I'm trying to figure out what is the best mode of transport while there. Any other place that I visit outside the US, I fly in, rent a car, and find a hotel on the fly. I don't do a lot of planning and use the car a lot to find hot spots. But it sounds like car rentals and fuel are very expensive down there.
Do you know about the bus ride from the DR to PAP? Is it safe? Do you have to get off the bus at the Hatian border and have your passport stamped? etc... Do you have any input on the best way to travel once on the island? How would you do it?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
A general question for anyone who frequents haiti. What are the politics of haiti and what is in there future. It sounds like its a mongering heaven but what would it take to be even better. Will there come a time when anyone going there will feel safe and not have to worry about kidnapping. What needs to happen to change a new government or a better economy for the people.
Considering a trip very soon.
The kidnapping is not as bad as they say. However it does happen sometimes. I have never felt insecure. It is best to be with someone. If you are new, I would not travel alone on some roads but during the day in Petionville and up and down Delmars there should be no problem. I think the economy needs to be improved to stop many of the problems.[
QUOTE=Don Smith]A general question for anyone who frequents haiti. What are the politics of haiti and what is in there future. It sounds like its a mongering heaven but what would it take to be even better. Will there come a time when anyone going there will feel safe and not have to worry about kidnapping. What needs to happen to change a new government or a better economy for the people.
Considering a trip very soon.[/QUOTE]
Your question is painfully broad, for those who've worked on the Haitian development problem for some time. Good governance is a real pre-condition for national progress, but self-interests, the terrible economy and food security crisis are the more tangible pre-occupations, and why there is a good deal of kidnapping--which won't happen to you if you follow common sense, keep a low profile, and Badbear's counsel. What needs to happen is donors staying the course, more private sector/Haitian diaspora involvement and investment, and the forces of reason within what little broader government Haiti has...prevail.
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]The kidnapping is not as bad as they say. However it does happen sometimes. I have never felt insecure. It is best to be with someone. If you are new, I would not travel alone on some roads but during the day in Petionville and up and down Delmars there should be no problem. I think the economy needs to be improved to stop many of the problems.[
QUOTE=Don Smith]A general question for anyone who frequents haiti. What are the politics of haiti and what is in there future. It sounds like its a mongering heaven but what would it take to be even better. Will there come a time when anyone going there will feel safe and not have to worry about kidnapping. What needs to happen to change a new government or a better economy for the people.
Considering a trip very soon.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I have not had a chance to play any this trip but now that my jobs are complete I plan to play. If there is anyone here that would like to talk with me give me a call at 3761-1111
[QUOTE=BadBear2000]I have not had a chance to play any this trip but now that my jobs are complete I plan to play. If there is anyone here that would like to talk with me give me a call at 3761-1111[/QUOTE]
I wholeheartedly sympatize with the people of Haiti with all that is taking lace there now after being hit by Tropical storms and Hurricanes.
Bad Bear2000 and others that are in Haiti now, I know you are probably busy, but let us know how the people there are coping. I wish them a prompt recovery.
Papi
Guys, I will be back in Haiti in the next month. Plans are to be staying soon. I will fill you up with pics then. Just be patient. I will try to make you horny old guys get such a hard on that you will just have to make a trip to the land of honey. Or is that honeys
Hey guys
A few things to keep in mind. This was my third trip to Haiti with many more to come in the future. I am a middle aged white guy, speak limited Creole (I'm learning) but decent French. I have travelled alot but swore I'd never go to PAP (haha). I am not an aficionado specifically of black girls (any color is OK with me).
The BAD:
- A US standards hotel will run you $75US a night + heavy taxes so it comes out to about $85+ a night. See photo below for where I stayed in Petionville. There are cheaper ones. I tried one that was recommended by a member. It had a pool and a decent restaurant, but the rooms were small and dank. It was however cheaper at $48 a night. I had no real problem with it but I suspect alot of others would. I moved to the one in the picture below as it was only 2 blocks from the CaribeTours bus station and I had to catch an early morning bus the next day.
- Driving is impossible if you don't know you're way around. I have driven in the DR, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, etc but would NOT drive in Haiti. Besides being lawless as far as obeying any kind of road rules, road signs are scarce and many times a road is called something other that what it says! Plus, gas is expensive and traffic is unbelievably heavy in PAP. I rode the tap-taps which was very cool but I would have NEVER been able to navigate the system without the local I was with.
- Food can be expensive. Restaurants on par with US restaurants are more expensive than here. However, with a little digging, you can find decent places with good food that won't get you sick. I can tell you that Haitian Creole cuisine is EXCELLENT and would say that the food in Haiti is better than anywhere else in the Caribbean (PS I was in the restaurant business for many years).
- The garbage (Haitis government offers almost no services) takes a little getting used to. It's everywhere but remarkably, the city smells pretty good as the ocean breezes whisk it away. Also, the poverty takes a little getting used to. We've all seen poverty on our travels, but this will probably be worse than you have ever seen outside of Africa.
The GOOD:
- It's easy and cheap to get to from the US. AA flies direct from Miami several times a day. I also understand there are direct flights for you Euro boys. Customs was a breeze with absolutely no hassles or questions. Be sure you have pre-arranged transportation from the airport to wherever you are going. Also, if you go to the DR, the bus ride back and forth to PAP is only about 5 1/2 hours and painless.
- Safety was a non-issue. I never felt threatened or that I was ever in any kind of danger. I'm from NY and can usually smell trouble a mile away. Can it happen? Sure, but it can also happen in Anytown, USA just as easy.
- AIDS prevelency is <3% in Haiti according to a WHO report which in relation to say Cuba (0.6%), is quite high. However, you shouldn't be barebacking ANYWHERE in the world. The girls I was with were not street ho's, I always kept it covered and never really worried. I bet if you measured the AIDS prevelency among pro girls you fuck in other Latin American places (Sosua, Medellin, Rio), you might get higher results. Just food for thought.
- Haitians are REALLY nice people. They don't smile much on their own, but one smile to them and they beam. They will normally bend over backwards to help you. I never felt threatened at all during the day but also wasn't out much at night. I found Rio to be much more dangerous. Just practice your street smarts (don't be flashy, be respectful of others, walk with confidence, etc) and you'll be fine.
- The girls are PHENOMENAL. These are marrying quality girls. Sure you could go to Petionville at night and pick up a prostitute, but why bother? All you really need to do is smile and approach them (see BadBear 2000's reports....they're right on). Guys, these are sweet, hard working, loving girls who will absolutely rock your world. They are very conservative when you meet them as Haiti in general is a conservative society and conscientious of what people think about them (ie the neighbors and family). But man, when that door closes...watch out. Anything goes :)
BTW, a typical non-pro Haitian girl will be very happy if you treat her nice and give her $15 - $20 US dollars for the afternoon :)
Alright, now I know that alot of you guys read this board but a very small percentage of you will actually ever go. Haiti is difficult but not impossible. I will be back next month and am looking to put together some ex-pats and trusted locals who can put together some trips. They would include:
- putting you up in nice, girl friendly hotels
- having transportation w/ drivers available
- having translators on site
- making you feel comfortable
- and of course introducing you to a bunch Haitian sweeties.
Why? Haiti got a bad rap from the 2004 troubles with the kidnappings, etc. Haiti is great if all the elements are in place and needs tourist dollars. Besides, what's wrong with discovering a new place and having some fun?
La Isla,
Excellent report; thank you for posting. The only thing I found surprising about your report was your statement that you felt perfectly safe all the time. I'm not disputing you--after all, you've been there and I haven't--but I'm still surprised. Haiti is one place I have avoided because I thought it would be unsafe (and to put this in context, I am a fairly intrepid traveler and don't scare easily, but Haiti has scared me). Maybe I need to rethink that.
So, just a couple of questions. 1) Did you go alone? BadBear2000 has cautioned several times against traveling to Haiti alone. Do you disagree with that? 2) I have read that the greatest danger lies in coming in from the airport, and several travel writers caution against taking a taxi from the airport, recommending instead that you have someone who knows you, or your hotel, pick you up. How did you get into PAP from the airport (or did you travel overland)?
Thanks. Any information would be appreciated.
L