American Politics

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2521992]I guess the "black supremacists" decided that hundreds of years of white supremacy was not working out for them. White liberal Americans will do just fine in the new America. White supremacists not so much. LOL! Yes. The Blacks are taking their rightful place alongside woke Whites in politics and the private sector. The Blacks even marrying and breeding with Whites to create a new race. The inbred domestic terrorists who defiled the Capitol know that their time is ending. Agent Orange was very helpful in exposing them so that the FBI and DHS can better root them out and deal with them. Hahaha![/QUOTE]So you are confessing that the Democrats are not interested in having a meritocracy, they're are more interested in having a racist society where incompetent blacks will be chosen instead of competent whites.

You are apparently a rabid racist and you actually manages to justify what happened in the Capitol. It was an attempt to stop the racist apartheid regime that you support.

I'm so extremely happy that I don't live in Zimbabwe, USA or South Africa. Let's hope that Trump wins the election in 2024.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2521971]On January 7th Mark Zuckerberg said the company was banishing Trump for using the platform to foment a violent riot in the District of Columbia a day before.

Zuck demonstrated his commitment to public safety, where Impeachment Boy has none.[/QUOTE]Omfg, you don't actually believe that do you? Are you really that stupid?

Anyways, Zuckerberg lied. He's just another nerdy libtard with no respect for free speech.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2521992]I guess the "black supremacists" decided that hundreds of years of white supremacy was not working out for them. White liberal Americans will do just fine in the new America. White supremacists not so much. LOL! Yes. The Blacks are taking their rightful place alongside woke Whites in politics and the private sector. The Blacks even marrying and breeding with Whites to create a new race. The inbred domestic terrorists who defiled the Capitol know that their time is ending. Agent Orange was very helpful in exposing them so that the FBI and DHS can better root them out and deal with them. Hahaha![/QUOTE]Disgusting to see that you support black supremacists.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2522102]Qualified lawyers (on both sides Rep. / Dem.) have argued and deliberated, many of the same arguments you've mentioned (especially Georgia) and Republicans lost in every case and were overwhelmingly defeated in every state they contested. [/QUOTE]That's the bottom line. They had their day in court dozens of times only to rack up loses. Trump set all this up in advance with the "it's rigged!" nonsense, crying before the first vote was ever cast. The bigot did the same thing on behalf Romney in 2012, and of course before the vote in 2016. He was going to pull the same scam if Hillary had won.

A mob just ransacked our capital. Five people are dead but it could have been a massacre. Tin foil hat twerps like Elvis are partly responsible with their spreading of lies. The same applies to propagandists like Sean Hannity and radio jock con men that likely know better, but choose to tell lies for profit. Rush Limbaugh though was having none of it. Good for him. The same can be said for Bob Barr.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2522078]Trump lost regarding observers because there were observers still present. As Trump's lawyer responded to the judge there was a non zero number of observers.[/QUOTE]No, there were not. This is from the very liberal Huffington Post: [URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/video-georgia-election-false-fraud_n_5fcac976c5b619bc4c330575[/URL].

Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots.

Pick claimed it showed a staff member telling partisan observers to leave the facility for the night about 10:30 pm After observers were "cleared out," she said, four election workers stayed behind, pulled suitcases of ballots out from underneath a table, and counted them for two hours with no witnesses present.

After a short period when observers weren't present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 pm, Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 am Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.

From the conservative POV: With four people working and over two hours to count "votes" without observers or press present, they could have added at least 24,000 fraudulent votes to the total.

Back to Huffington Post: Fulton County Elections Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.

Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the ballots that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of ballots back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.

Who is this guy Richard Barron?

Williamson County Election Administrator Rick Barron, who survived a no-confidence vote earlier this year, submitted his resignation Wednesday. He has announced he has been hired to take over as election administrator for Fulton County, Ga. , next month.

Speaking via cell phone from Georgia, Barron said his last day in Williamson County will be June 7. His first day in Atlanta is to be June 19. Barron said the November 2012 Election Day controversies, which led to Williamson County Republicans seeking his ouster, played a role in his decision.

On the morning of Nov. 6, Barron summoned sheriff's deputies to have election judge John Gordon removed from the Stony Point High School polling place in Round Rock. Barron said Gordon was taking actions that overstepped his authority and was verbally abusive to a county employee at the precinct. Gordon denies the allegations.

Meanwhile, in far-northern Williamson County, an estimated 15 voters received incorrect ballots in a Jarrell school board race that was ultimately decided by three votes. Barron's critics contend the Jarrell snafu happened because Barron was distracted at Stony Point.

Then Barron invoked even more controversy, [URL]https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/backlash-follows-after-firing-of-fulton-poll-workers-who-spoke-out/IASV5RPWTFH2JPC2MT2VA6RPGM/[/URL].

Elected state officials at all levels have chastised the Fulton County elections department for not rehiring two poll workers who publicly criticized how the majority-Democrat county ran the presidential election.

The three Republican members of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners, which has budgeted more than $35 million to elections this year, released a joint statement Monday asking that the county's elections board "investigate the actions of Director Richard Barron and his staff that were involved in these decisions and to take action as appropriate."

Thorne, who was certified as a technician to help Dominion Voting Systems, tested and calibrated voting machines. Part of that job was printing realistic ballots. She claimed Dominion employees handled those ballots in a "haphazard and careless way."

"I am personally aware that some batches of test ballots were lost during the process and I was required to reprint entire polling districts test ballots a second time," she wrote in her affidavit.

"They were identical, and that's what drew my attention to it," she said during the Hannity program. She added: "We were amazed at the count. Every one that was in the entire batch was for Biden, overwhelmingly."

The votes were from Quality Living Service, which is non-profit that offers housing for those over age 50 in southern Fulton.

End of quote.

So here you go guys. The more I look, the worse it gets. You said there were neutral observers the whole time. There were not.

You have a guy Richard Barron who smells to high heaven of corruption, who was given a no confidence vote, and who made the clearly incorrect statement that observers were not asked to leave, and then fires / does not rehire people who were critical of him.

If Trump got Georgia, he would not even win the election but we are talking about why there were riots. Barron, the four vote counters, the Republican whistle blowers, and the Republican poll watchers all should have been deposed.

This is not proof of fraud. It is proof when there is possible fraud no one wants to do anything.

If there were public depositions of these people and a court case, there would not have been riots.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2522139]Think of trump's moronic tweets (et al) as "wedding cakes for gay couples" and Twitter et al as "Christian bakeries with a moral objection". Get it now?[/QUOTE]Exactly. The first amendment doesn't apply to private companies. Plus Twitter for the longest time published Trump's election fraud lies with the disclaimer denoting that claims of election fraud are disputed. They of course were not under any obligation to publish the nonsense to begin with, but did so out of respect for a general principle of free speech. However when Trump's nonsense and associated exhortations fueled violent insurrection they rightly drew the line. And again, they have every right to do this.

I'll add that it's noteworthy that most of the Trump defenders on this thread aren't Americans but bored Euros in basements, toughing out the cold weather. Wink.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2522078]Trump lost regarding observers because there were observers still present.[/QUOTE]That is wrong.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2522078]Georgia elections were run by Republicans. Do you really think they were working to "Steal" votes from their candidate?[/QUOTE]This is a half-truth. Georgia has a Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Raffensperger has already criticized Fulton County Director Richard Barron over firing two Republican whistle blowers. Barron was hated by Republicans even before he set foot in Fulton County for kicking out an observer in a previous election.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2522078]None of Trumps lawsuits claimed fraud because there was no proof of any fraud and if the lawyers claimed fraud without evidence they would face sanctions by the courts.[/QUOTE]Republican observers are told to leave. This idiot Barron says he did not tell them to leave but he just told the counters to leave? That makes no sense. Then Barron fires two Republican whistle blowers.

As to why they were fired, [URL]https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/backlash-follows-after-firing-of-fulton-poll-workers-who-spoke-out/IASV5RPWTFH2JPC2MT2VA6RPGM/[/URL].

The spokeswoman added that the women were under review for infractions, including: a violation for using cell phones to photograph elections activities, inappropriately showing ballots to a poll monitor and "making misrepresentations to the public on YouTube about problems with the elections that were false and misleading."

The spokeswoman did not respond when the AJC asked for the number of poll workers who were not re-hired for the January election.

She said that one batch of "absentee-style" ballots was "pristine" and didn't appeared to have been folded or handled like she would have expected from her 20 years of working elections. In that batch of about 110 ballots, basically all appeared to have been copies and were votes for former Vice President Joe Biden, she claimed. Two were for Trump.

The votes were from Quality Living Service, which is non-profit that offers housing for those over age 50 in southern Fulton.

Nguyen said that demographics show that an overwhelming Biden vote isn't suspicious in that part of the county.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2522078]The Justice department has found no evidence of fraud, the recent prosecutor appointed in Georgia has commented that he was surprised given all the claims that there are no cases that support prosecutions.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and that and $4 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Reading between the lines Barron only fired the two whistleblowers.

If controversial ballots go 110 to 2 for Biden, you have an official saying there is no fraud.

That pretty much tells me the same ratio of those 24,000 votes went for Biden, 55 to 1, and that is why they would not release the numbers.

You guys keep blaming Trump for the riots like you blame him for everything. There were rioters because of perceived injustice. This is a text book case of how fraud could have occurred. There needed to be depositions and a court case to see if in fact fraud did occur.

I am no political scholar like you guys but I think Biden won the same way Trump did in 2016. Back in 2016 the last thing this country wanted or needed was Hillary Clinton as president while she was embroiled in her scandals. It would have been bad for the country to start off like that.

This election IMO the electoral college gave it to Biden even if the number were so very close. WHY? Every city in America was boarded up prepared for what looked like a category 5 hurricane. Was this for a Biden win? NO.

If Trump was declared winner cities would have been turned upside down. A horrible way to start a presidency. Especially during Covid.

So far Biden has said and done all the right things. Unfortunately once his crew takes charge a whole new set of problems will arise and he and his administration will be blaming Trump for 4 years.

Are the elections 100% legit? I doubt it but I do believe the electoral college or whoever has the best interest of the country which is reflected in these presidential election results.

I guess it's only appropriate that the Trump presidency wind down with a late night infomercial pitch man, bad hair dye and all.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/15/mike-lindell-mypillow-trump-white-house-martial-law[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2521887]Trump being banned from Facebook and Twitter only demonstrate their lack of respect for free speech.[/QUOTE]On January 7th Mark Zuckerberg said the company was banishing Trump for using the platform to foment a violent riot in the District of Columbia a day before.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522193]Omfg, you don't actually believe that do you? [/QUOTE]Yes, I believe what Mark Zuckerberg wrote about TrumpShit using his platform to foment a violent riot in the District of Columbia. You been under a rock ShooBree?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522193]Are you really that stupid?[/QUOTE]Hey Stupid Swede, who do you think invited and incited that mob?

Again?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522193]Anyways, Zuckerberg lied.[/QUOTE]No you spreader of lies. Trump invited and incited on Facebook.

It's been two weeks. Shoobree, can you finally answer the question? Did Trump win or lose his re-election bid? Oily smelt got your tongue? Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2522261]Yeah, and that and $4 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Reading between the lines Barron only fired the two whistleblowers.

If controversial ballots go 110 to 2 for Biden, you have an official saying there is no fraud.

That pretty much tells me the same ratio of those 24,000 votes went for Biden, 55 to 1, and that is why they would not release the numbers.

You guys keep blaming Trump for the riots like you blame him for everything. There were rioters because of perceived injustice. This is a text book case of how fraud could have occurred. There needed to be depositions and a court case to see if in fact fraud did occur.[/QUOTE]The Georgia votes were recounted twice. The recounts added a few hundred net votes to Trump when it was found a memory card from a machine was not included. The paper ballots were compared to the machine totals and found no errors.

Trump had is day in court. He could not provide any evidence in any cases. He lost. He is just shitting himself because he will spend the rest of eternity in court or jail.

His call to Raffensperger was clearly illegal. His only real hope is to be convicted on the Impeachment charges and hope Biden pardons him for the federal crimes as a healing gesture!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522191]I'm so extremely happy that I don't live in Zimbabwe, USA or South Africa. Let's hope that Trump wins the election in 2024.[/QUOTE]Your twice-impeached fallen idol will never hold public office in the United States of America again. However, you can always lead your own insurrection and crown him King of Sweden.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522191]So you are confessing that the Democrats are not interested in having a meritocracy, they're are more interested in having a racist society where incompetent blacks will be chosen instead of competent whites.[/QUOTE]You are confessing that the terrorist attack on the USA Capitol was an attempt by incompetent white supremacists to keep their failed president in office. LOL! The ragtag mob of insurrectionists were the worst trash from the underbelly of American society. Your hero QAnon Shaman is a bald failed actor who is unemployed and lives with his mommy in her basement. Why not do Americans a favor and petition the Swedish government for asylum for the insurrectionists? They will love socialist Sweden with the overpriced booze and radical feminists. LOL!

"One explanation I haven't heard for Trump's strong performance among Hispanic voters in 2020 has been the high regard in which the leftist president of Mexico, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, holds Trump. If your cousins back in Mexico are big AMLO fans and they tell you AMLO likes Trump, that cuts across ideological lines pretty well. . . I think the Trump-AMLO friendship was an enemy-of-my-enemy thing involving the Bush family in the US and the various neoliberals in Mexico like the Salinas family, with whom Jeb Bush used to vacation.

On election night 1988, the Mexican party of the left was finally about to win a Presidential election when suddenly the lights went out at the vote counting central. When the power finally went back on, the ruling Institutional Revolutionary party was somehow in the lead.

When the Cold War ended, the PRI president Carlos Salinas went to George H. W. Bush with a message the Bush family had long dreamt of: Mexico would open up to American business if it could be included in the free trade pact the US was (boringly) negotiating with Canada. This has been the Grand Strategy of the Bush family ever since GHWB had to hire front men to nominally own his Zapata oil company in Mexico because Americans have been banned from the Mexican oil biz since 1938. It's not widely recognized in the USA Media that the Bush dynasty's fundamental strategic vision over the last half century has been to knock down the barriers keeping American business out of Mexico in return for lowering the barriers keeping Mexican people out of America. (It's not a coincidence that two President Bushes' oil firms were named Zapata and Arbusto.) This is not an irrational plan, but it benefits elites (who own oil companies) more than the American public (that works for a living).

AMLO especially sympathizes with Trump's complaints about election fraud, in part because Lopez Obrador believes the 2006 Mexican presidential election was stolen from him by a late-arriving vote dump. He led a year of protests outside the capitol, then finally was elected president in 2018 . . . Steve Sailer.

From the Associated Press: Mexican president mounts campaign against social media bans.

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's president vowed Thursday to lead an international effort to combat what he considers censorship by social media companies that have blocked or suspended the accounts of USA President Donald Trump.

President Andrés Manuel López Obrador's administration is reaching out to other government to form a common front on the issue.

"How can a company act as if it was all powerful, omnipotent, as a sort of Spanish Inquisition on what is expressed?" he (AMLO) asked. . . "

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2522253] Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots... [/QUOTE]There was no confusion when ALL the facts, procedures and evidence you state here, was put forth in the courts. They were found baseless and unsubstantiated. In EACH and EVERY state, jurisdiction and court room throughout the country, where they were contested.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2522102] Qualified lawyers (on both sides Rep. / Dem.) have argued and deliberated, many of the same arguments you've mentioned (especially Georgia) and Republicans lost in every case and were overwhelmingly defeated in every state they contested. I am not a lawyer, but if you happen to be pretty good lawyer and know the ins and outs of electoral constitutional voting laws. Then perhaps your arguments have more weight than I give them credit. By all means enlighten us, some more. [/QUOTE]If you choose not to accept the outcome, and cling to some other alternative reasoning, then that your choice. We all take solace in what we believe to be true.