Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2564599]I've seen SA likened to Uber or AirBnb in the way that SA opens up under-utlised pussy into the gig economy.

My local SA is littered with divorcees who were giving it out for free on Tinder and realise that they could be getting $$ for the same experience vis SA.

But I still think that for many females giving over their pussy without commitment is a step too far. They would be the ones asking crazy $$ on seeking or simply not even considering it. They are out of our decision pool.

The problem I see for SA is the number of male freeloaders and fuckwits that are fucking up the site.[/QUOTE]I know different members have different experiences. But mine is that early twenties is where it's at. Since discovering SA in 2019 and being decimated by Covid my "wins" by age are as follows:

23 23 22 25 28 21 22 23 26 23 25 23 20 23 22 23 24 23 24 24 23 26 23 23 20

Other guys may play in the thirties divorcee bin but that just never seems to work for me. So hard to find an attractive gal and then some drama because she has kids or thinks she's all that. Early twenties is magic age. Free with their sexuality and few personal commitments. My filter is permanently set to 25 and under. I may troll high twenties if it's slim pickings. YMMV.

Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2564051]I have heard that Canada, the UK, and even Australia have become variations of the USA sex prison. Can you confirm that?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure on what qualifies a country as a sex prison like the USA. Canada has a very active, basically legal mongering scene. COVID has pushed prices up, but we'll see if that sticks long-term. Montreal has several large agencies and prices are generally a bit lower than Toronto.

Seeking Arrangements might be as much work in Canada as the USA It's never going to challenge Mexico and Colombia on that front.

My very generalized experience is wherever pay for play is legal the overall attitudes toward sex are more easy-going. The increased competition from pay for play kind of puts young women in a different frame of mind.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2564852]Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?[/QUOTE]The fact that this thread exists should be indication enough to you that at least some of us think it is worth it. You can find plenty of naysayers on other boards if you'd prefer to be convinced otherwise. The experience is what you make of it. My recommendation is that you spend a couple days reading the various boards like this one (and the Richmond VA thread) to get a feel for the scene, then jump in and invest some time with it. You can really only learn by doing, and tweaking your approach to improve results. And not being a the-bag helps. Regarding membership fees, you can occasionally find some discount offers (33% but their business model is based on what their clientele is willing to pay, so I don't understand the complainers (it's a free market. If you don't like it, start a competing business). If you're a penny pincher, then the sugar bowl isn't a good fit for you.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2564852]Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?[/QUOTE]Dude. I just listed 25 girls under thirty I have fucked via SA in the last two years — during a fucking pandemic. If that doesn't say "it works" then I don't know what to say. If you can't afford $400-500/ night then don't play SA in the USA. At least not for hot 23 year olds. It's the only game in town for that.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2564861]I'm not sure on what qualifies a country as a sex prison like the USA. Canada has a very active, basically legal mongering scene. COVID has pushed prices up, but we'll see if that sticks long-term.[/QUOTE]Yeah, good point, Wyatt. I should have clarified. With those countries, I was thinking more about divorce laws, marriage, sexual harassment lawsuits, ETC that I was referring to more so than being sex prisons. All those other countries are much more progressive on sex than the USA.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2564852]Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?[/QUOTE]As many have already stated, SA is not a brothel. You have to have money and game. Patience is also required. There are no guarantees. You have to judge for yourself if the price is worth it for you. Making gross generalizations is neither true nor helpful. You might find the membership fees high, but they are no different than cover charges at clubs. They are designed to weed out the cheap Charlies that cannot afford the women and are there to harass the women. That is what the premium tiers are for. They signal to the women that you have bank or coin. If you can afford the fees, you can afford to play and will generally not be a jerk because that is for losers. There are a certain number of girls looking for high rollers and there are girls that are just one step above a street walker. Choose wisely. If you don't want to work, just go to a brothel. Escort services are generally higher with higher quality women. They have a reputation to keep and kick off the scam artists and losers. On the other hand, it is expensive for the women. They have to spend time and money to look nice and there are a certain number of guys that are no shows. Plus, the hosting company takes a cut. This is not a cheap hobby. You have to be financially successful and put in the time.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2564439]who won't research on sites like ISG to find the better options.

It will be interesting over time to see if Seeking Arrangement becomes a viable alternative to Scarlet Blue in Australia for wild-child local Australian ladies who provide real sex, including BBBJTCIM.[/QUOTE]I agree with you for the most part but don't believe Seeking will morph radically in the direction you suggest, Mongerer88.

Seeking has a very good thing going. They claim they have millions of subscribers. We do not know how many of them are actual paying subscribers.

[URL]Match.com[/URL] has approximately 10.5 million paying subscribers and a revenue of $2.4 billion for 2020. Average subscription fee comes to slightly less than $20 monthly. Slightly more than half are international subscribers; even assuming international subscription fee is a bit lower, their US fee is not gargantuan. I think they have 3 tiers, Plus / Gold / Platinum, and none exceed $40 as far as I know. Note, the 10+ million includes not just Tinder but all their assets including Bumble, OKCupid, Hinge, etc.

We know SA fees are much higher at $90/ month and nearly $80+ if buying a 3 month package; even the recently discounted price was $67/ month for a short window last week and they run such promotions only a few times a year.

I don't expect SA has 10 mil paying subs, although their total members may be as many. For one, women seeking men are not paying. Also, the majority of the men are freeloaders just looking at the pics. But even if they have a million paying men, at nearly 3 times the monthly fee of [URL]Match.com[/URL], we can assume SA may have 30% rev of [URL]match.com[/URL].

[URL]Match.com[/URL] is a publicly listed stock with a current value of nearly $40 billion. On a comparison basis, SA could be worth 30% of that? That would be $12 B. Even if SA is worth only half of that or even a quarter of that, it is still worth a very large amount.

The owner (s) of SA would be foolish to jeopardize that amount. They will take every precaution to give it an appearance of cleanliness, and be very diligent in removing all sorts of references to pay per meet, pay for sex, etc, let alone the explicit activities you mentioned.

I would, if I were the owner of SA.

Even from 5 years ago, SA has changed. It was a bit more wild then, and never heard of guys' accounts being suspended etc. Now, it is more commonplace.

That does not mean very explicit, perverted sex acts do not happen between parties that hooked up on SA but SA will not be the medium on which any of those are discussed. SA will pretend it is a high end meeting place where wealthy sugar daddies are helping out very pretty 20 something blondes. But most of the members are not wealthy and most of the women are also not 20-25 aged slim blonde cuties.

To me, SA is just a site where both parties know sex is on the table as a topic. It is upto them to make it happen, but that's about it.

SA might be a bit more lax in international locations for now but I wonder how long that would last. In the longer run, their best bet is to stay clean. Again, money rules and they would do anything to preserve the great thing they have going.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2564852]What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?[/QUOTE]I have only ever had to pay for a one month subscription. I rarely see out the full month before I need to cancel the account because it is so fucking awesome. My work productivity drops as I am off meeting hotties instead of billing clients. Consequently I have had 4-5 different accounts and each time I signup I start with a new join date.

From your description you say you have 'leads' yet you have not paid a subscription. Pay the one month subscription and just see the difference.

Of course there will be girls that ask for extreme in the same way there is Lobster on every high restaurant menu. Just look over those ones and have some meet ups with your local girls that suit you.

Living the life.

Brizlad.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2565135]SA might be a bit more lax in international locations for now but I wonder how long that would last. In the longer run, their best bet is to stay clean. Again, money rules and they would do anything to preserve the great thing they have going.[/QUOTE]It is more lax abroad Pessimist. I have never been banned on SA and I think that is because I have danced around the how much question. I say that I do not pay a wage but a gift. When asked how much, I say in the past I have given the women a gift in this range. If my past average gift was $300 per session, I will say I have given them on average between $150 and $300 as a gift per meet. I was surprised at how crude some women were on the issue, and I am not sure in the USA they were on the website for long.

In countries where prostitution is legal, the women flat out ask how much. I may try my saying that "if you do not want me and just my money, forget about it" but I can usually get a working girl vibe from some women and I usually blow them off. If their photos show them to be really fine and I want them, I will just throw out a price. I will say though that the best fucks I have had abroad have been from women who do not give me a price.

I don't like it when people say all the women on SA are working girls because while probably the majority are, I have been with a dozen or more women who never set a price or would be offended if I gave them money for sex. I think guys lose out on the highest quality ladies if they treat all the women on seeking as working girls.

OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527]I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.
[/QUOTE]You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527]I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.[/QUOTE]This is a very smart point for SA travelers.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527]OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic![/QUOTE]Regarding net worth and income, I know there are different schools of thought, but a wise man once said that these figures have the same effect on women that photos of T&A have on us men. It is almost direct evidence of our collective evolutionary biology on display. So, with that as your guide, I personally think it is a good idea to input numbers that are roughly in line with your actual status (perhaps not exact, but neither wildly higher or lower). I could write up the argument, but if you think it all the way through and how your desired interactions with SB's will play out, I think you'd probably come to a similar conclusion.

Now as for travelling to a small town in Colombia as an American, regardless of net worth, doesn't sound like a good idea. My research lead me to conclude you should only visit the major cities, along the major highways, but preferably via air. But we have some Latin American experts here that can provide better advice. And also, another thing you'll learn is that, given how large the pool is, you shouldn't fixate on any one given SB anyway, especially one requiring complex logistics and travel.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527] And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. [/QUOTE]I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the Colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.