Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=John;1789501] What we as gringos pay is nothing compared to what rich colombian guys pay some of these girls. Rich colombian guys pay 1 million a night to 2 million a night. So paying 400 mil for a good looking girl all night is not that big a problem. [/QUOTE]Have you seen the girls with whom these rich Colombian guys session for 1 M - 2 M? I would not hesitate to pay the same amount for these girls. However, I would certainly negotiate down from 450,000 cop TLN for a casa girl. BTW I have no problem with another dude paying 450,000 cop TLN for a chica I pay 200,000 cop TLN.

I have spent over ten years in Latin American countries, including every Spanish-speaking country in South America and all but one in North America and the only thing I know for sure is that if you do not negotiate, you are not respected. That leads to outcomes like hos lying to you about how much the babysitter cost. Compassion is great but being lied to gets old after a while. People from the US who want to give "extra assistance" should take a look at the wage structure in the US, and support higher wages and higher taxes on the very wealthy.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]
My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Never have I landed at a mongering destination and thought, "Damn I can't wait to bend one of these girls over and stuff them full of my compassion.

And regarding the drum, that $83 could've helped out a lot of people, but they were drum shopping, not looking for a soup kitchen to donate to; you can be a charitable person without looking like a mark in the process. I think mongers that get all high and mighty because they consider themselves to be enriching the community / girls' lives with their presence are hilarious; you never see patrons at a strip club defending all the extra money they blew on a girl because "unlike you guys, I'm trying to help her get in college." According to your boss, these girls are probably undefeated against you, LOL.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Don't be so sensitive Sir, this exchange of different ideas has been respectful compared to the old days on the Medellin board when every post was under moderators review. No one is saying don't have compassion just be sensible.

In 2007 I made my first trip to the DR with my cousin. We were sitting on Sosua beach when the guy selling mommaguanna (the bottle with tree limbs in it) approached us. He wanted 12 usd for the bottle so I just gave it to him. My cousin said he had 7 dollars for a bottle and the guy scratched his head and said the lowest he can go is 10 dollars. I sat up in my seat as I'm starting to realize I've been played. My cousin said no to 10 and the guys said okay to 7 dollars. My cousin couldn't even look me in the eye for the next ten minutes because he knew I was played. The guy walked away giving me a look that said " dumb gringo". See my cousin knew the gringo markup vs the local price. I tried to justify it by saying "I got money and I'm helping poor people" but it showed me to be patient and never pay an asking price. I don't expect local pricing but I don't pay the gringo markup either, you have to find that common ground that is fair to both sides.

I hear the excuses about guys having limited time but you can still do your homework before a trip to better prepare you for the culture but most guys don't care about the culture they just want a pretty girl to fuck. So you have guys that don't know about the gringo markup or even care. Rich gringos that just want to throw around money and claim they care about the poor people there but they never learn the language or cultural ways. Hope this post helps you Dollar bill because I really think you care.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Bro, what you have (probably) not experienced yet is hearing the same 5 or 10 stories, over and over again. "I lost my cell phone (or someone stole it), I can't afford the babysitter, I can't pay the rent or utilities this month, I need money for the doctor. " Many of these girls, especially the single moms, feed on "white knight" mentality. The important thing here is recognizing what they are doing. If you choose to be generous since they gave you special service or whatever, then fine. But if they think they pulled one over on you, they will not appreciate you at all, and probably laugh at you behind your back. In Colombia, they have a saying: "Los vivos viven de los bobos. " "Street-smart people live off of fools. ".

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1789347]Jake,

What would a girl like Mellisa expect for 3 HR seevice? And how do you get any money? You get a cut from the girls?[/QUOTE]Thanks and the girls range from 1 to 5 hours and from $50 to $90 dollars so somewhere in between there and no I do not take a cut. Its your responsibility as my friend and guest whether you rent a room and stay here, or rent a room here and stay somewhere else to take care of the girls and you will always be welcome back!

Diana below loves to travel is a lot of fun and speaks quite a bit of English!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you. Some appreciate it and realize they might not be getting that great of a value and adjust their strategy for next time. Some don't appreciate it and have a GFY attitude. That's fine.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but you are one person. You did not ruin anything for us.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;1789541]Here is my report from a short trip to Spain.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?788-Madrid&p=1786895[/URL]#post1786895.

Here is my report from a trip to Japan.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=528569[/URL]#post528569.

Here is my report from a trip to Beijing.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=1356251[/URL]#post1356251..[/QUOTE]Not one of the links you posted is a trip report. If you do not know what a trip report is I suggest you go to the Reports Of Distinction to find out. You would think that a world traveler like yourself would know what one is by now.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1789557]I have spent over ten years in Latin American countries, including every Spanish-speaking country in South America and all but one in North America and the only thing I know for sure is that if you do not negotiate, you are not respected. That leads to outcomes like hos lying to you about how much the babysitter cost. Compassion is great but being lied to gets old after a while. People from the US who want to give "extra assistance" should take a look at the wage structure in the US, and support higher wages and higher taxes on the very wealthy.[/QUOTE]You as is the case 99 percent of the time get it, as well as a select few others here on the board. Unfortunately most do not.

I agree what others have said, paying more is not really showing compassion. Right now, a lot.

Of these girls are boozin, partying, and doing drugs, with the soldiers who are deployed in Colombia (israeli and others).

They are not worrying about their kids or need extra money.

I say if you want to help, then try to see as many as possible, QUANTITY.

To see as many as possible, that means negotiating and get the best prices as possible, and YES maybe being cheap ass if it.

Means you can see her and have more money to spend on many others.

There is a lot of girls to find.

Mansion.

Facebook.

Strip Clubs.

Massage places.

Etc.

But if a girl is getting 400 K or more from other mongers. I guess that means she is going to expect it from others. AND oh well I guess I have to pass on that price.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1789591]Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you. Some appreciate it and realize they might not be getting that great of a value and adjust their strategy for next time. Some don't appreciate it and have a GFY attitude. That's fine.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but you are one person. You did not ruin anything for us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]You guys that say I should negotiate because that is the way it is done are probably correct. But if that guy that over paid by $83 for those drums can afford to provide extra assistance to the seller, then is that a bad thing?

I will go back to just keeping the info to myself so I do not have to read how I f*cked up my with my finances and your future ability to get what you want.

Enjoy the life (whether you are good at getting something for nothing (and leaving the other with nothing)) or you are generous and care about other humans.

My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]No need to stop reporting. There is wisdom in what the other guys wrote. They are correct about the working girls in SA. If you don't negotiate you appear week to them. You never want that to happen.

If you want to learn what compassion in the wrong circumstances will do to you. Talk to a guy that got bent over in divorce court in the USA. Apply that same knowledge to mongering and find your comfort zone.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1789591]Your reports are appreciated. Just remember that this is a board with many experienced and inexperienced hobbyists, and when you mention a price you paid, you are opening yourself up for criticism and / or praise. It's the norm. You can choose to pay what you want to pay. Had you not mentioned cost etc, the feedback might be different. How you take the feedback, is up to you.[/QUOTE]That is why I said he is giving great reports because he mentioned the cost and where he got the girls. To me a report without costs is incomplete. If I am reading a thread to a new destination I am planning on going to and there are no costs then that is not helping me out any. I am reading guys saying they are going there and having a great time fucking chicks. Then when I land and find out that it costs $500 to fuck a chick (or $75000 to fuck 2 chicks as per LO's case) I realize too late that I am out of my league. I think that he just brought extra attention by being defensive in his initial report as Gogo said. Then he turned around and tried to defend the hookers who are not his friends no matter how much compassion he has for them.

I for one could care less about what another guy is paying because it will not mess my game up one bit. (Of course I want some ballpark figures if I have never been to the place though.) But if I am doing something to my own detriment then I would hope other mongers would pipe up and tell me. I did not get to be the monger that I am by not fucking up sometimes. Case in point, when I was in Bogota the night before I went to Medellin in August and paid 115 K in La Piscina. After which I went across the street to Troya and saw they had chicks just as good for 1/3 of the price. Sure it is my money and I do what I want to with it, but I damn sure didn't mean to do that! Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=DollarBill;1789545]
My boss thinks that you win by getting over on the next guy, but I think you win by making sure you do not screw the other person. I guess some parents did a better job at teaching compassion than others.[/QUOTE]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120."

The ENTIRE premise of mongering in another country (aside from the legality of it) is to get younger and better for cheaper. Why would anyone waste their time and money booking a flight, hotel + daily allowance for food to bang hookers at $200 a pop in another country when they can do the same in less time in their home country? Hell, I just banged an Escort the other day for $250 for 1.5 hrs and never had to leave my place (was someone I have seen on multiple occasions). She is easily pushing 40yrs old.

In Colombia I can bang a tight 19yr-25yr old for 30k-180K for 30 mins to an hour? No fucking brainer. That's a steal. That's what the Colombianos are paying (they comprise 98% of the sex market in Colombia to begin with), so why the fuck would you bring your bobo-ass here and all of a sudden decide that it's charitable to pay above and beyond what the market is asking?

My advice to you: If you feel that you are "getting over" or taking advantage of the chicas there because the prices are lower than what you pay back in your home country, turn in your passport and stay the fuck out of the country!

EDIT: This bears repeating because most folks haven't quite grasped the concept yet: The Colombian/Brazilian/Thai/German/Dominican/etc. sex market was there LONG before your cargo shorts and "Aloha Fridays" t-shirt-wearing gringo bobo ass ever caught wind of it. Stop trying to bring your fucked up White Knight ideals about "compassion" to Rome and just fucking do as the Romans do.

He should spend it anyway to maximize his satisfaction. I am not sure how much impact the overpayment by gringos has on the price inflation of sex workers. Overall, among the service consumers, gringos account for less than 20 percent.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1789760]Since DB said he will not post here any more, SavePros is free to do what SavePros does best:

I read DB's posts and see a Western Union Novio in the making (wouldn't be surprised if he is at his local WU branch standing in line about to fire off remittance as we speak). All this "compassion" talk just screams "White Knight Faggotry".

I suspect this (very) Western way of thinking was the exact same way San Jose, Costa Rica went to shit. A repeated stream of bobo gringos show up in a 3rd World country looking for sex, meet a young, beautiful, tight babe that is only asking for $20 for an hour of her time. Bobo gringo is like "Wow, only $20? But I'm used to paying $200 in my home country for the same thing! I don't want to take advantage of this poor, pretty lass. Here, take $120.".[/QUOTE]

Another point. You put yourself at increased risk of a theft / attack if you've throwing that kind of money at the girls. It's almost certain that she will tell her friends (both male and female) that you'd be a juicy target. 400,000 pesos is a lot of money for most Colombians! Many don't make that much in a few weeks work. IMO paying a chica that kind of money is equivalent to walking around with an expensive watch or a gold chain hanging out. You're advertising what a great target you'd be.

Gringos have been robbed at gunpoint inside their vacation apartments in Medellin before (doormen will take a "donation" to let someone in). Or by taxi drivers the girl lets in on the deal. Hell, the whole Mansion has been held up because some idiot guest was bragging about how much money he had with him. Guests have been robbed right in front of the Mansion returning from the ATM.

Of course what the other posters have said about respect is absolutely true. The respect the girls have for us is generally inversely related to the amount of money you pay them. Pay her a crazy amount of money, and she generally thinks you're a sapp.

If you really want to be compassionate, why don't you give money to the not-so-hot looking chicas who have to scrub shit for next to nothing and barely have enough to eat. They need the money a lot more than some silicone-injected chica who blows most of what she makes on clothes and partying.