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[QUOTE=Rog123;2162779]On my trips after airfare and lodging I like to have at least $200/ day for ladies and general expenses. Normally have a few extra hundred "in case of emergency break glass" if I strike out on social media or want a sure thing from Rio or Gia.[/QUOTE]Realistic assessment. Key quantifier here is "at least".

$200/ day for ladies and general expense = food + drink + transportation + entertainment, etcetera, - is not exactly budget in Kiev, but definitely not splurging. Hence few extra hundred to continue no matter the obstacles.

$50/ day would be slow. $300-$500+ is not unusual even without Rio / GIA.

"Kiev is not pocket friendly" (c) 2018 Riina.

Wow, we agree on something, you are correct about the budget.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2162877]Realistic assessment. Key quantifier here is "at least".

$200/ day for ladies and general expense = food + drink + transportation + entertainment, etcetera, - is not exactly budget in Kiev, but definitely not splurging. Hence few extra hundred to continue no matter the obstacles.

$50/ day would be slow. $300-$500+ is not unusual even without Rio / GIA.

"Kiev is not pocket friendly" (c) 2018 Riina.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotLeo;2162793]Do hotels in Kiev allow Girls. Which area are preferred and safe of course?[/QUOTE]Most hotels allow girls in Kiev. You can check with hotel by calling them, but I have stayed in two good hotels and had faced no problem in inviting girls.

[QUOTE=Riina;2162869]Around Arena is best.[/QUOTE]Apartments are convenient and there are many good options, search on google. Stick to within one to 2 streets off Kreshatik and between Independence square and Bessarabska Rinok.

I need your input here about what other website to use to contact semi pros.

Mamba and tinder are already being used by me.

So would you say on a daily basis total 200 $: 100-150 $ for 1 girl and 50 $+ for food, drink, clubs, taxi / metro??

And the number above excludes lodging and airfare?

How many hours do you figure on getting for that 100-150 $ from 1 girl, let alone 2 or 3? Definitely not GIA.

And where will these numbers go in next 1 year, now that Ryanair will deliver 700,000+ tourists into Kiev / Lviv?

Opinions anyone??

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2162877]Realistic assessment. Key quantifier here is "at least".

$200/ day for ladies and general expense = food + drink + transportation + entertainment, etcetera, - is not exactly budget in Kiev, but definitely not splurging. Hence few extra hundred to continue no matter the obstacles.

$50/ day would be slow. $300-$500+ is not unusual even without Rio / GIA.

"Kiev is not pocket friendly" (c) 2018 Riina.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Misc123;2163541]So would you say on a daily basis total 200 $: 100-150 $ for 1 girl and 50 $+ for food, drink, clubs, taxi / metro??

And the number above excludes lodging and airfare?

How many hours do you figure on getting for that 100-150 $ from 1 girl, let alone 2 or 3? Definitely not GIA.

And where will these numbers go in next 1 year, now that Ryanair will deliver 700,000+ tourists into Kiev / Lviv?

Opinions anyone??[/QUOTE]You try to plan, calculate and budget. Kiev is too diverse, meaning you should be more versatile.

I can walk most of the time, even for more than an hour to one destination. Or use metro-subway for 2 UAH single ride, or stay with the girl inside the whole day. Taxi shouldn't run more than 200-400 UAH a day. Maybe even 100-150 UAH for a simple round trip.

Food can be Puzata Hata for $20-30/ day with decent meal and even a beer, or $200/ night for a threesome at upscale restaurant, or $70-$200 for a good size (20-50 spoons) can of truly great caviar as aphrodisiac and 2-3-4 bottles of excellent local brut. Most of the ladies enjoy caviar.

Girls can range from a freebie to a $500-700/ day GIA, or 3-5 agency girls / day for $50-70-100/ hour just for myself or with friends, with occasional 2-hour engagement here and there. Run a spreadsheet to add up.

If you are on a tight budget then do not go to Kiev. It'll suck all of your money dry. No matter how much I had in the past for 2 days or 3 weeks, I always left with no more than $200-300 in my pocket and sometimes had to use ATM more than once.

One young beauty from River Palace back in the day didn't negotiate beforehand, and upon leaving asked for "at least $200!" I only had $177, and some of it was for taxi to KBP the same night. She exclaimed:

- Why is it always like that!

If you want to enjoy 1-2 pops a day for 1500-2000 UAH each without having prior established connections and minimize expenses then why bother with Kiev at all? You run a risk of not achieving much and leaving disappointed. I had few bad short visits to Kiev myself. Agencies are hit and miss. Same with Rio. I would kick out one girl utterly disappointed, then have the fuck of the century right after.

I do not hire limos or sponsor lavish after-parties ordering tables at Buddha-bar. Just as Rog123 said: budget $200-$500/ day.

[QUOTE=Misc123;2163541]So would you say on a daily basis total 200 $: 100-150 $ for 1 girl and 50 $+ for food, drink, clubs, taxi / metro???[/QUOTE]Misc123,

Apologies for somewhat patronizing tone in my previous message. Most of the Forum members, including you, already know more than enough, and I shouldn't have sounded condescending.

Tastes differ, so do expenses and modus operandi.

$200 a day sounds about right with lodging, food, and a girl. It's a lot of money if you calculate a two week trip with loss of work. Most guys deep down are looking for relationships and not 2000 uah slam bam thank you mam meetings. Relationships take time and are hard to find. Chances are you'll spend many thousands all for illusion even if you stay awhile. Kiev is a ridiculously expensive mongering destination with a high risk of disappointment.

All the above said, the rewards can be amazing. I met this girl for nothing and she wanted me as a sponsor. Six months after I left Kiev, she was posting photos of herself in thousand a night Dubai hotel rooms.

[QUOTE=Misc123;2163541]So would you say on a daily basis total 200 $: 100-150 $ for 1 girl and 50 $+ for food, drink, clubs, taxi / metro??[/QUOTE]To answer your questions more directly:

$50 for food and drink is a bare minimum, that happens only when I stock the fridge and eat / drink at home during marathons or do Puzata Hata. Otherwise, - I pay for the girls when we go out. Some refuse to eat at fast food. Some do not mind at all.

I eat alone 50/50, perhaps even less than 50%, so $10-20 for light breakfast for two, $20-40 for brunch, and $30-70 dinner with drinks.

Most expensive so far was $200 a night for me and 2 girls at Avalon (with frequent customer 10% discount), including Chivas Regal whiskey for favorite GF and 4 rounds of cocktails for all of us that made the other girl completely drunk. Pinnacle of the visit!

[QUOTE]And the number above excludes lodging and airfare?[/QUOTE]Correct. AirBnB is usually $50-$125 a night, including maid service every 3-4 days. It has been more like $50-75 a night for 1-2 bedroom lately.

[QUOTE]How many hours do you figure on getting for that 100-150 $ from 1 girl, let alone 2 or 3? Definitely not GIA.[/QUOTE]GIA and Rio prices are well known. Agency girls 1500-2000 UAH / hour, not higher. Never pay for extras, prefer getting them based on mutual consent- for free.

Freelancers are free or the cost of wining / dining / entertainment. MILFs - $100 total for 5-10 hours.

Going multiple days with the same semi-pro typically runs at $10/ hour considering gifts, collateral and sometimes an envelope upon her departure. Those girls I keep only if they are exceptional. One was dismissed at "Mandarin" for misbehaving and lack of forthcoming with BJs back at my residence.

[QUOTE]And where will these numbers go in next 1 year, now that Ryanair will deliver 700,000+ tourists into Kiev / Lviv?[/QUOTE]No idea about Lviv. 700 K / year is 2 K a day. Not sure if it significantly increases already existing competition for resources.

If UA joins EU, then all the prices will go up, and food quality will go down. Same for haircuts, real estate, etcetera.

But we can enjoy what is available nowadays.

Contacting on mamba seems a bit tough and time consuming, but I have started it.

Can I know. What are your thoughts on this. How many times do the Mamba girls have sex in a week and how many times do the brothel / apartment girls have sex?

[QUOTE=Visal;2164050]how many times do the brothel / apartment girls have sex?[/QUOTE]6 different customers per 12 hours is not out of the ordinary. Not necessarily the average per a certain category / price range.

Sometimes agency procrastinates with delivery to monger's residence because eagerly anticipated princess is still busy with prior customer.

Apartment girls are more of a conveyor than students and semi-pros, due to the rent overhead.

Warning!

Be aware when contacting girls from mamba, ukrgo, tinder, etc.

Some guys, posing as girls, are collecting your information. Pictures, phone number, location.

They do search on internet against that information, even background images in your pictures. Finally they post all that data on these extortion websites called hall of shame and ask you to register and pay $100 to remove your conent.

I know all that because I became victim myself. Luckily, I always use fake picture and virtual phone numbers.

Please be careful when sharing your information, especially when girl seem too interested in your personal life.

PM me if you want specific information.

[QUOTE]6 different customers per 12 hours is not out of the ordinary. Not necessarily the average per a certain category / price range.

Sometimes agency procrastinates with delivery to monger's residence because eagerly anticipated princess is still busy with prior customer.

Apartment girls are more of a conveyor than students and semi-pros, due to the rent overhead..[/QUOTE]There was relevant analytics here on Forum in the past.

Not answering the question, just "contemplating the ifs" and thinking aloud, without claiming the ultimate knowledge on the subject:

What is the minimal required monthly income for a young single girl? Perhaps 7-10 K UAH. $300-400.2-3 nights a month for Rio dancer.

But mongers expect their passionate hot ladies looking great with newly made manicure, attractive hair, expensive lingerie and so on and so forth. Therefore Rio dancers are motivated to go more often. Especially single moms. Still they are not afraid to say no, if perpetrating undertaker is rude or smelly or somehow else not appealing.

GIA girls keeping $100-300 per one encounter can afford being rather picky as well, they certainly do not leave an impression of desperately needing next pay- not judging by their cloth, accessories. They seem to make decisions on their own.

Hardened pros charging per hour can sip a drink at Buddha bar for a long time, and need to turn a trick only once a week or so.

On the opposite end are lowly agency and apartment girls charging 1000-1200 UAH / hour, keeping $10-20 a pop. 3-5 times a day while in their prime. 20 days a month seems excessive, as apartment girls rarely look like making $1000/ month, even those sending money back to their parents in the far away village.

Then there's a factor of liking the job: excitement of meeting new customers, having great time, admiring the sex itself, etc.

Students and mamba semipros, unlike apartment girls, seemingly have less time because of classes and office hours, but they possess surprisingly more freedom, as they have their own place, with or without roommates and / or parents. Hence on one hand they need to pay the rent, on the other they are not forced by management, definitely not at GIA.

Had one girl from cheaper agency that wanted sex badly every time we met. She got 5-6 orgasms in one hour and kept going non-stop asking for more. She is a freelancer, not getting any calls from slave-driver dispatchers 10 minutes before our time was over. She also left on her own, just walked away, no company driver. Kiev night was still young.

Hello,

Do someone know a good place for erotic massages in Kiev? Thank you!

Ceschiello.