Jakarta

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931331]Does anyone know from what time of the day are there enough girls here for a visit?[/QUOTE]From my experience there is no set answer. Believe they open at 2 pm, girls come in different shifts, 2,4,5 and maybe 6 and later. If you are lucky you might find your dream girl at 2 pm sometimes you can't even find a girl that is ticking of all your boxes at the peak of the night. For me the sweet spot is between 4 and 6, when the girls are still semi "fresh", not to many other customers, not so much sig smoke in the room (I'm not a smoker) and music isn't that loud yet. Only downfall is the mamas will be little more aggressive pushing their girls because there aren't many customers yet.

You acted like a rookie. I mentioned on the forum many times not all girls will give all services and this happens everywhere classic travel emporium 1001 Jakarta Bangkok Manila. I think you acted like a newbie or played over smart, in either case this didn't help you. You should have read the forum and flipped a few pages, expected you'll get super par services in just a walk in. Most guys out here are extremely satisfied. Girl sensed you are a rookie punter and you got played. PM me. Cheers.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]Reached there just around 6 pm. There were 10-15 girls of both 1. 25 and 1. 45 m variety. Couldn't get myself to pick any in the lower priced category. In higher priced, only found 2 girls beautiful. The one who knew english refused to give BBBJ so I took a chance with the other one. I was in hurry, so skipped the spa. In the room, hhe told me her name is kelly and she is 20. Her boobs were large and natural, but service wise she turned to be horrible. Gave me BBBJ but it was very light. She allowed me to kiss her lips, but no where else on the face or neck, stating that her makeup will go bad.

When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]
When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK

Yes I did select on my own. Mamasan just smiled when I told her. May be I should have shown more disappointment. Most of my conversation with the girl was on google translate only, but language does create a big barrier in Jakarta.

I am sure both BKK and Jakarta are mongering heavens. I compared the two since I was seriously thinking of shifting my target to Jakarta after reading all the reports on the forum, but as you rightly said, Jakarta is not my cup of tea.

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you.

He should have got a Decent service.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931444]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you. [/QUOTE] Please read Post# 18122 from SuperLove.

Honestly, my experience's at this place have been one of my best ones in my mongering journey. I was crystal clear cut and specific with my requirements openly stated to Mamasan what I was looking for and my message was conveyed to the chick in her native language. She delivered and made it a memorable and fulfilling experience. I do not know why you did not convey your needs to the Mamasan before finalizing the chick. I am damn sure if you would have, certainly it would not have happened what happened. I am truly amazed to see your FR of negative experience.

Regards.

[QUOTE=TempStories;2931286]Reached there just around 6 pm. There were 10-15 girls of both 1. 25 and 1. 45 m variety. Couldn't get myself to pick any in the lower priced category. In higher priced, only found 2 girls beautiful. The one who knew english refused to give BBBJ so I took a chance with the other one. I was in hurry, so skipped the spa. In the room, hhe told me her name is kelly and she is 20. Her boobs were large and natural, but service wise she turned to be horrible. Gave me BBBJ but it was very light. She allowed me to kiss her lips, but no where else on the face or neck, stating that her makeup will go bad.

When we started the main act, it was clear BBFS not even an option. She had trouble in missionary positioning after 5-7 minutes of fucking. There was some pre-cum in the condom and when I wanted to switch, she said I am done. It was a struggle explaining that I was not. I said I will finish in mouth, but there again after a minute of BJ, she said I am too big for her mouth. She did not have more than 1 condom, so we were at an impasse. She again insisted I was done. I was totally turned off by now and it did not make sense to argue further. Left the room, paid 1. 45 m and told mamasan that I was not happy.

Compared to Bangkok, I liked that girls are all natural boobs. Language is also an issue it seems. I know this was a single bad incidence, but I cannot convince myself to leave Bangkok and come to Jakarta for mongering.[/QUOTE]

Later that day around 3 pm I ordered Grab and went to hotel Classic. When I arrived the couches on the left hand side where basically empty with just a hand full of girls. Most of the girls where sitting on the right side of the entrance. Mamas came running to me but I ignored them and sat on one of the barstool to scan the talent. Ordered a drink and one mama called her girls for a line up. Without asking me what I'm looking or what my type is these line up are dumb and I decline most of them. Sometimes these poor girls have to walk all across the room in their heels (like recently born calves) just to walk back because the customer don't want them. Anyway with my drink I walked the room and got a little closer to the girls but couldn't find anything that I was looking for and sat down again (maybe I was to picky that day). One mama came to me and told me I think I have a girl for you, you would like. Her name was Kiki young, I think she said 19, slim, no baby showed me a picture of her on her phone but I couldn't see her clearly so I said ok let me meet her. Mama said she is still in the dressing room getting ready to start her workday, mama walked in a couple of times to check up on her and she send her straight to me. I was happy when I saw her, very cute girl ticked all of my boxes, "talked" (google translate) a little bit paid mama the 365 k and left her the change and went to the room. In my experience Kiki is the type of girl that knows she hot and act a certain way, a little full of herself checking herself out in the mirror playing with her hair, fixing her dress etc. Either way we got undressed got in the shower, nice slim body I played a little with her little tits and pussy she didn't mind. We went to bed got a little listerine wipedown and she gave a good no condom BJ. She put on the condom and went on top and rode me a good couple of min, I took control again and I fucked her this time in all other positions. Went to doggy she was loving it looking at herself in the mirror being rammed. I also liked the view, it's like watching your own porno movie. I finished in that position, we cleaned up, gave her a little tip and we walked our separate ways. Back on the floor I sat on one of the barstools again mama saw me and came back to me and asked me how Kiki was, I said she's good and I'm happy. I gave mama a 50 k tip. I talked a little with her she ended up giving me her WhatsApp number telling me when a new girl comes or one that is my type she will message me. I also asked her about taking girls out to my hotel. She said it is possible she then took out her phone calculator and wrote 6*365 k= 2190 k. That is the working time the girl has left on her shift that day. I don't know how much of that money goes to the girl. She did gave me a deal and removed one session and the take out price would have been 5*. I declined but it's good to know what is possible.

I did arranged something with a girl from classic but that is for another report.

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2931122]Yeah the price she quoted me wasn't worth it since I know what talent is out there. Maybe if I'the agreed to it she also would get naked and I would have acces to her? Guess we will leave that part for other ISG members to find out.

The massage on its own was a good oil massage (Aroma Therapy) with good pressure.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to add some info I have regarding this. I try this every time when there is an in-room massage option at the hotel as I prefer MILF type women. Trust me, Indonesian women are too soft when are aged. These hotel masseuses are mostly 35+ or 40+. Maybe they move to these chain hotel after they are too old and kicked out of sexy massage places. What I have tried is a handjob from these masseuses. I have never asked for sex so I am not sure if they offer it.

First time I in 2017 when I was in Bali, I had to re-route my return flight via Surabaya as there was a volcano eruption and flights were being cancelled from DPS. I was staying at Ibis Surabaya Airport Hotel. They did not have a in-room massage and said it is a separate place. When I visited their spa, it was a surprise. It was a normal guest room which they use solely for spa purpose. I was shy and did not initiate any talks but she asked if I want a "Special Service" for 2 mill. I was asking for 600 K but later negotiated it down to 800 k (Don't get angry. I know it is too high for a HJ. I was too young and did not know the local prices). I initially rejected the offer thinking it was 800 K+400 K spa fee. Later she was mourning that out of 800 K offer she gave, 400 k goes to hotel for the massage. That is when I knew it was including massage fee. Anyways it was a basic experience and I had less knowledge in mongering and more excited which led to lots of mistakes.

With respect to Jakarta, I have been twice so far. First time I stayed in Ibis Styles (Tanah Abang. Dec 2022) and the second time it was Holiday Inn (Gajah Madah. Mar 2024). Both hotels had this in-room massage option. Being an extreme introvert (sorry for my personal sob story), I was shy to ask the masseuse at Ibis but she initiated the talks when I turned around during the massage. The prices are always including the massage cost. At ibis, she undressed her top and gave me top access, BBBJ and HJ. She used some random jasmine oil.

Fast forward a year later (2024 March) I visited Jakarta for a short 3 day trip. This time I stayed at Holiday Inn and I was well prepared to ask straight away.

Day 1, when the masseuse arrived at the door I had my requirement written and translated on google translate. As soon as she entered, I confirmed her if she does extra service. My plan is not to proceed explaining or showing translation if they don't understand "extra service" in any country but so far it has never failed in any of the in-room massages because mostly they understand this word. She said yes, and I immediately showed her my translation of what I want on the app. They always quote 2 mil to start with. This time I had my negotiation arguments ready as I was following this forum before my second trip. I countered her offer saying Classic and Travel do everything including sex for 350 k-400 k. So I am not doing anything more than 400 k. She countered back saying 500 k (this is again including the 90 minute hotel spa fee). Deal accepted and I was excited as it was my first day of my trip. Fully naked, showered, hugged, kissed a lot, gave nice BBBJ and then a handjob to finish. There was time still left, so she did a basic massage using hands (no oil) while being naked. Job done. Tipped her extra 50 k as I liked it. Nice experience as I like such women with a comfort of my own room.

Day 3 of the same trip, I requested for another in-room service. Same process. This time there was some drama by the masseuse with negotiations starting with 2 mil which I rejected. So she started with massage first and almost 15 minutes later she kept asking for 1 mil. I repeated the same classic, travel - 350 k story to her and she was arguing back saying that is different and this is different. I did not care. I also told her that 2 days back even at Holiday Inn I did it for 400 k (I did for 500 K but I lied, haha) and later she was OK to do it at 500 k (again including 90 minute hotel spa fee). She was a drama queen. She did what I wanted but I did not like the negotiations and drama. Also, she did not allow me to kiss as good as the previous lady. So no tip. So in both cases at Holiday Inn, it was fully naked, BBBJ, HJ.

The experience is a hit and miss and depends on the girl but basic needs are sorted. I also collected numbers from both these ladies at Holiday Inn. When I texted the Day 1 lady (as I liked her experience a lot than the Day 3) if she was available to visit outside her work hours, she said she will be interested to visit but not while I was at Holiday Inn. My trip was a short one and I did not stay outside of Holiday Inn. So it was not possible for me. Next time I am planning to book mercure or some other hotel for one or two nights to try and invite her all included for a night. Lets see if it works.

I understand that there is an option to get a full on sex experience in Classic, Travel, Emporium but maybe there are someone like me who will find this useful as I prefer comfort of in-room options. Also, I am yet to visit Classic, Travel. I really want to visit but the experiences I read about these places make me feel that it will be overwhelming for me with mamasans forcing to pick their girl. Maybe I will get some courage to visit these places in my next trip soon.

If you go to a high end spa you expect a real professional massage for everyone that walks through the door. The same good service for a high end brothel. The same for a high end restaurant you expect plates and metal utensils and not styro foam plates and plastic utensils. But SuperLove and BKKguru you believe TempStories bad service is because he was a newbie? Unreal.

She seems like she gives bad service to most guys except the few she likes. Kind of like the "quiet quitting" working scenario. I had a girl a few days ago who did not want me to unzip her dress (red flag). She undressed in the shower (red flag). Came out with the towel on and her bra still on (red flag). Pulled her bra down like I was supposed to suck on them with her bra on (final straw). I got dressed quickly and ran downstairs to talk to the mamasan. They gave me a new girl with no additional payment. I have had 30 girls by this time so I know what I am doing. So my question for SuperLove and BKKguru. If I was a newbie this would be ok and be my fault?

Talking to the mamasan is mostly a useless endeavor with only a 20% success rate. They are always pushing girls with few customers or who need money and I do not want. I make motions of slim with big boobs like I am playing charades. You would have to be retarded to not be able to understand. No language or customs understanding required. When I reject the girl they send me they always say "good service, good service".

[QUOTE=BKKguru;2931376]In recent times, this is the first reported negative experience in Emporium.
If I paid 1.45 Juta, I would be pissed too.

You selected this girl on your own without consulting Mamasan. Is this correct? When you complained to Mamasan, what was her reaction?

The language barrier is a HUGE issue in Indonesia. For some reason, it does not get much coverage in this forum. Without Google Translator, I would not even bother visiting Indonesia.
Conversely, if you can speak Indonesian, you will be in the drivers seat.

Jakarta is NOT Bangkok. Not everyone will like Jakarta. This has been posted here multiple times.
Jakarta, as a city, is classic 3rd world: broken sidewalks, open sewers and perennial traffic jams. For those who love to walk, Jakarta is not for you.

~BKK[/QUOTE]Mr. BKK is correct. I'm a long-time resident and typically use tinder to identify girls to come to me. Let them deal with the traffic. Always VC beforehand and am clear about expectations (my Indonesian is good). Nonetheless, I still get a dud now and again, but my success rate is still well over 90%. I would not want to be a new visitor trying to negotiate the traffic in this megacity on my own. Bangkok is much easier to deal with even if you don't know much Thai.

This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Delbo1;2931444]He paid 1. 45 he should have got top service. I don't see how consulting mama or papasan before picking would make any difference in this instance. The girls remain seated if they don't want to go with you.

He should have got a Decent service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't [B]may offer anal. [/B]It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I will be visiting Jakarta soon. I've mongered all over. I presume anal is rare in Jakarta. Am I correct? Also, if a girl declines BBFS, will she provide bareback anal?

If I may add few bullet points SuperLove.

1. Whatever the hunting and punting experience one has, should not be compared to Jakarta. Of course utilize that experience but what's the point of comparing to Apple with Orange. Won't be the same. Treat Jakarta like it likes to be treated.

2. Jakarta is unique its own way, we are not their major source of bread and butter, unlike Thailand Cambodia Laos Vietnam, Jakarta scene is dominated by locals. We only chip in a small percentage.

3. Most importantly, like SuperLove said, clarify your desire with Mami / Handler, specially if it's an High End place like Emporium KC Malio. People seem to overlook this part while reading reports.

4. Another key factor is timing. Thursday Friday Saturday some cases Sunday tends to be more full house compared to the rest of the week. Not saying any of these places are closed during weekdays but less quantity leading to decline in quality but then could be the opposite due to desperation of money.

5 lastly, there will always be a starfish whom you may get stuck with, that can happen in anywhere. Factor this in before shelling out cash.

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperLove;2931528]This is how Jakarta is different or at least emporium. The Mamasan knows you are paying good money and would want good service so if you ask them in advance it always helps and they will go the extra mile to make sure you are satisfied. I said not all girls will provide all services. Some are happy to provide BBFS and some don't, those who don't may offer anal. It's upto you what you want, don't be an expert I say just check with mama before you select and take her to room. Trust me Jakarta is different to thailand and mongers need to realise this. Don't let ego come in your way. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Not at all don't get me wrong I don't have ego I accept when I'm wrong, I'm trying to help it didn't make sense to ask the papasan, I'm definitely not an expert and always keen to learn.

I see your point now about asking what girl he would recommend. I wasn't aware you could ask the papasan which ones do anal, without condom etc I thought that was frowned upon.
I think you got me mixed up with replying to superlove69 post.