General Info

I spent so much time writing this PM, I thought I might as well post it. It was also way too long for a PM and would not send.
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Hi Redfield,

I am far from the pro monger of many of these other guys. I have been to the Phils 4 times in the last 16 months, so that's the extent of my experience, but I date a few Filipinas in seach of a S.O. as a primary objective and monger as a fun sideline. But I'm happy to share my experiences.

First, you need to understand me so you can judge my perspective. When I monger in the Phils, I LOVE variety. My dates fulfill the romantic need so my mongering is pure pleasure. Some guys like 1 (or 2 women) all night. That's not me. My first night in Angeles Dec 4, 2006 i was like a kid in a candy store. I didn't get my first barfine until midnight, but by 7am I had had 5 girls total that night - 3 solos and a double to end the night.

To the best of my knowledge there are 3 primary areas.
Burgeous St - My 1st ever mongering experience. I was here for 1 night in Nov 2003. Picked up 2 girls plus my date. Fun time, but it was my first so it flew by. I have never come back here because I hear to many negative comments about the prices. And as I average 3-4 girls a night....cost is a factor.

LA Cafe - this freelancer bar is my hands down favorite. I like it because of the atmosphere and how it works. First, there is no real "pressure" to buy anything - all the time - like in the gogo clubs at Burgous & EDSA. I try to get a seat at the bar, order a beer and just look around until i see soemone who meets my fancy. I walk over, talk and get a feeling or not. Make a deal or move on. Sometimes the social aspect of all the girls in the bar is as much fun as the fucking later.
As i think back over my 6 nites in La cafe....I had 18 girls total and 2 "bad" experiences. Of the remaining 16... about 12 were good to very good and 4 were stellar "knock ur socks off". The absolute cutest girl I ever had in the Philippines I found here at LA Cafe. Most of my tips (no bf) range from 1000 - 1500 and on ocassion i have tipped 2000.

EDSA - I have been here twice but i have never barfined anyone. The upside is it 8-10 gogo clubs in 1 building with a main lobby area so you can go to alot of different places quickly and easily. BF & tips are much better than Burgous.

Here is a perfect example of my rationalle. My last trip was mid March. I spent Sat nite & Sunday nite at LA. I also had Wed evening free so i went to LA, but after a beer decided to hop a cab to EDSA. I got there probably around 11pm and went in the Firehouse. Some cute spinner caught my eye right away. i was seated; drank a beer with a couple of the girls hanging around and finally got the eye-catcher to come over and sit. We chatted a bit then i asked about price. BF was 1000 and she wanted 2500. I thought this over. Tried to get her to come down a little on her tip, but she refused. I am weighing my options...3500???? At LA, I could get 2 girls plus a few drinks. So i hopped up and headed back to LA Cafe. I met 2 of the nicest girls that night, hung out with them up the street at G-spot and finally propositioned them - both for 3000 - all night. The one was so cute and adorable - the apple pie gf look - I am guessing 20 or 21. I had the best night and never once regretted leaving EDSA and coming back to LAC.

BARFINES - In manila, it is barfine plus a tip. In Angeles, the barfine is all inclusive.

There are NO guarantees regarding performance, but as i mentioned earlier, the lions share of my girls have been a great time. I had only one bad expereince in Angeles.

FLIGHTS - I would consider the Cathay Pacific All Asia pass 2008. For the $1099 flat rate you get SF to HK, + BKK + Manila. The only downside is HK is the hub so to get from BKK to MNL you need to go thru HK. The new jets that Cathay is flying are very nice. I always take my laptop & DVD's for my own inflight entertainment plus 5 batteries. The flt from NYC is 16 1/2 hours!!!The new jets have an AC outlet at each seat! They are just a tad bit roomier with a new seat design, but to me it makes all the difference in the world.
You can get to Cebu via Cebu Pacific for probably $80.

IF I KNEW THEN.............If mongering is your #1 objective, i would stay in Ermita and visit LA CAFE a few times. Amazonia & G-spot are only a block away and provide some diversion. EDSA was only a 15 minute cab ride so that is easily another option any given night if ur based in Ermita.

In the daytime, Rizal park, Mall of Asia, Robinsons, and the docks to Corregidor are nearby as well.

I would also go to Angeles for a few days as well. If you want to be crazy and throw caution to the wind, rent a car and drive to Angeles. I have been to Angeles 3 times and each time I drove myself. And each time I got stopped by the robber police and had to bribe my way out of the "ticket". I must be the only one to do this because NO mongers in Angeles have a car, of course Fields Ave is so small you don;t need one. Wild Orchid has 3 parking spaces and i had them all to myself on one trip. LOL. I do it because the freedom of driving makes me feel at home.

I've been to Cebu twice and don't see the value in going there if you have 8 days.

I guess I am all out of advise for now. No matter what, if you smile, the world smiles back and you'll have a great time. If only I could afford 1 more trip this year......

[QUOTE=Redfield10]HI..thanks for your response. I have a few more questions if you don't mind...

1. Are there several "mongering" spots in the Manila area and which do you recommend?

2. I am reading that the bar fine is all inclusive. How does one ensure that performance follows? Is it better to find a freelancer??

3. Re: flights..certainly, I'll look...but off hand do you know the best flights generally from BKK to Manila and also Manila to Cebu and back? I'm assuming the best thing for me to do is fly from San Fran to Bangkok..then to Manila...then to Cebu and back to Manila (if I do this leg)....then back to BKK and back to San Fran..

4. Anything else I should know that you would have liked to know as a first-timer to the PI?

Thanks!![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the great report.

Anything that anyone else wants to add will help me, too. It's tough. Planning that first trip. I remember trying to do the same a few years ago planning my first to BKK. Now that I've been there five times. It's no big deal. But the first time was!

Thanks TB for the great report!! If anyone else has general info on what to do in the PI (mongering or otherwise). Let me know.

Thanks, again.

Redfield

I found this on Craig'slist:

CUTE %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% - w4m - 18
Reply to: [email]pers-703149225@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2008-06-01, 1:26AM CDT


Here's a vacation offer that you will never forget! If you like hot young girls this is the vacation for you...IT'S LIKE HEAVEN!! Ten girls in ten days, 20 girls in ten days

TRIP OPTIONS: OK...here's how it works. Our destination is the Phillippines. You have three options which include:
1. Friends Trip - find 4 of your friends to go with you and set the day's of your choice.
2. Singles - Add your name to the singles list. There are typically 3 to 8 unknown people on this option.
3. Elite package - Consists of you and the guide only. This is the VERY discrete option. This option only requires a 7 days notice and is more expensive.

PRICING: Total cost of the trip for options 1 and 2 is $6,500 for 10 days in heaven. That's $650 a day which includes your airfare, hotel, food, drinks and girls. Not so bad if you do the math. The elite package is dependant on a number of factors so call or e-mail if you need additional info.

NOTE: NO MONEY DOWN for all three trips! You buy your flight and the guide picks you and others up at the airport. Cash will be transfered once you are in the Phillipines.

TIMING: These trips are set up throughout the entire year so pick your vacation days and give me a call.
For additional questions and booking dates you can call (586-567-2393) or e-maill from 9 am to 9pm eastern time.

Thanks for the interest.

Questions for all you guys:

I am thinking of purchasing a condo as an investment maybe around Makati area or Metro Manila? What do you guys think will be the problems with this? I am unfamiliar with the area in terms of appreciation and quality built. From the last time I was around metro manila the quality of material used and craftsmanship did not seem to be there like in the good old USA but not sure if that has changed. I did an analysis of the cost vs renting it out and found a positive cash flow if financed 30 years like here in USA.

My question is will it hold up for thirty years? Will it appreciate? If not what would be the point?

Xman I know you looked into this a few years ago, if you don't mind me asking what did you find?

Thanks you guys!

Ps I will be asking the same question in Dragon slayer forum.

Hello Gentlemen!

In Thailand it is possible to find girls with big tits (not superbig, but "big").

I'm really interested in going to Philippines, and need some input on how good chances are to get "at least the same size as in thailand".

What's your oppinion, is it the same chance to find semi-big tits girls in Philippines, compared to Thailand?

I'm also into really dark skin girls, any tips on where to get that in Phil?

Good greetings to all / Ken Apples

Incredible....$650 per day????? LOL! This guy must be out of his mind...some construction company manager in Detroit thinks he's going to get rich quick I suppose...

David Sandercott
(Operating Manager)
Rely-on Construction Incorporated
23914 Elmira Street
Saint Clair Shores, MI 48082
t: (586)567-2393

[url]http://www.relyonconstruction.com/gpage.html[/url]


[QUOTE=Cho 637]I found this on Craig'slist:

CUTE %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% - w4m - 18
Reply to: [email]pers-703149225@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2008-06-01, 1:26AM CDT


Here's a vacation offer that you will never forget! If you like hot young girls this is the vacation for you...IT'S LIKE HEAVEN!! Ten girls in ten days, 20 girls in ten days

TRIP OPTIONS: OK...here's how it works. Our destination is the Phillippines. You have three options which include:
1. Friends Trip - find 4 of your friends to go with you and set the day's of your choice.
2. Singles - Add your name to the singles list. There are typically 3 to 8 unknown people on this option.
3. Elite package - Consists of you and the guide only. This is the VERY discrete option. This option only requires a 7 days notice and is more expensive.

PRICING: Total cost of the trip for options 1 and 2 is $6,500 for 10 days in heaven. That's $650 a day which includes your airfare, hotel, food, drinks and girls. Not so bad if you do the math. The elite package is dependant on a number of factors so call or e-mail if you need additional info.

NOTE: NO MONEY DOWN for all three trips! You buy your flight and the guide picks you and others up at the airport. Cash will be transfered once you are in the Phillipines.

TIMING: These trips are set up throughout the entire year so pick your vacation days and give me a call.
For additional questions and booking dates you can call (586-567-2393) or e-maill from 9 am to 9pm eastern time.

Thanks for the interest.[/QUOTE]

After airfae, $6,500.00 equals spending money for 3.25 trips for me. You gotta be shitt'n me.

A couple examples for you:

Actually guys. If you do some of the math. Its not all that out of line. Maybe a little. But lets take out the cost of airfare (not the super dooper special advertised deals that only exist in the newspaper add and you can never actually book at that price) Real prices that you pay each trip. Figure in cost of a nice hotel room (not some 200 peso a day hovel). All your meals in a decent restaurant (not 25 peso street food). Your drinks (some of you put away alot of booze. Could be a big bill). And then the ladies. What is a really nice Makati type piece (not the 300 peso Ermita streetwalker with no teeth) of tail going for these days out of the clubs. Plus if you've never been there a guide to help you around (ok. Most of us don't NEED this part).

. And the total isn't that far off.

I learned this when figuring overseas moving costs. Door to door versus me doing all the leg-work. For an extra couple hundred bucks. I had no hassle.

[QUOTE=Daywalker]Actually guys. If you do some of the math. Its not all that out of line. Maybe a little. But lets take out the cost of airfare (not the super dooper special advertised deals that only exist in the newspaper add and you can never actually book at that price) Real prices that you pay each trip. Figure in cost of a nice hotel room (not some 200 peso a day hovel). All your meals in a decent restaurant (not 25 peso street food). Your drinks (some of you put away alot of booze. Could be a big bill). And then the ladies. What is a really nice Makati type piece (not the 300 peso Ermita streetwalker with no teeth) of tail going for these days out of the clubs. Plus if you've never been there a guide to help you around (ok. Most of us don't NEED this part).And the total isn't that far off.

I learned this when figuring overseas moving costs. Door to door versus me doing all the leg-work. For an extra couple hundred bucks. I had no hassle.[/QUOTE]Dude,

This price seems way out of line, UNLESS your doing FIVE STAR hotel, flight, food and f*ckin. As in f*ckin actresses, (which can also be arranged). But as a man that's paid to go there, and because of the falling dollar and rising gas, I will admit to being out of touch somewhat. I'm so inclined to say these are newbie prices.

Which I think you missed. Was that when you look on the surface things look Waaaaaaay out of line. But if you are not a total "Cheap Charlie" or "Back-Packer" minded. When you dig a little deeper and think about it. And add in all of the "Costs". Then its not quite as out there as originally thought. Do not mis-understand me. I don't pay these prices. And normally do my research before going somewhere new. And I then "Fumble" my way through the new locale picking up on the local ropes.

But. If you do bother to break out all of the costs. While high. Its not all that high given that you are paying for a service.

[QUOTE=Daywalker]Actually guys. If you do some of the math. Its not all that out of line. Maybe a little. But lets take out the cost of airfare (not the super dooper special advertised deals that only exist in the newspaper add and you can never actually book at that price) Real prices that you pay each trip. Figure in cost of a nice hotel room (not some 200 peso a day hovel). All your meals in a decent restaurant (not 25 peso street food). Your drinks (some of you put away alot of booze. Could be a big bill). And then the ladies. What is a really nice Makati type piece (not the 300 peso Ermita streetwalker with no teeth) of tail going for these days out of the clubs. Plus if you've never been there a guide to help you around (ok. Most of us don't NEED this part).. And the total isn't that far off.[/QUOTE]
Some things just dont add up, IMHO it is miles off reality.
[QUOTE=Cho 637]I found this on Craig'slist:..............
PRICING: Total cost of the trip for options 1 and 2 is $6,500 for 10 days in heaven. That's $650 a day which includes your airfare, hotel, food, drinks and girls. Not so bad if you do the math......[/QUOTE]
Ok so is it Ten Days or do we take out two for the flights there and back?

If the $6500 includes the Airfare then why this......?

[QUOTE=Cho 637]NOTE: NO MONEY DOWN for all three trips! You buy your flight and the guide picks you and others up at the airport. Cash will be transfered once you are in the Phillipines.[/QUOTE]
You buy your flight?? Do I get a choice of Operator/Class of Flight?

Ok so I booked the trip, paid my airfare and then what?? Do we subtract what I paid for my flight from the agreed $6500 fee??

If so then I am going to fly Business Class from the US so should hand I then hand over the balance ($6500-Flight) to the ''Guide'' on arrival in Phils?

He is going to be pissed off when I show him my $3500 Ticket Stub and give him the rest of the deal :)

Obviously that is not going to work, so lets get real.

LAX to Manila (R) = c $1200, 8/9 Nights Good Hotel = c $1000, 8/9 Days Good Food = c $500, 8/9 Nights Beer/Drinks etc = c $800

Now we still have around $3K + left - that will get a lot of girls, even at stupid prices a guy could only do $1K if he tried, so somebody is making money here.

If it turns out to be an average $50 Hotel and average food, which incidentally is good enough for me, then somebody is making a whole lot of money.

PM Me for a ''Better Guided Tour Deal" e.g. You buy me a beer or two and we will have a good time - Keep your $6500 too.

Cheers, F/Fifty

It's kind of fun just thinking about this. Adding in air far, I estimate I spend $300 a day for a ten day trip -- maybe less for the 20-day trips.

Add in a domestic flight, some shopping, new eyeglasses and maybe some dental work and I'm still under $400.

I stick to mostly 2000 pesos hotel rooms, and often eat Filipino food -- occasionally splurging when the mood arises.

Of course you could stay at the Diamond Hotel for 8000 pesos a night.
[url]http://diamondhotel-manila.com/[/url]
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*** Daywalker may have a point. If you've never been to SE Asia, have no idea of the costs/culture/logistics, and want a trustworthy fellow Westerner to go with you and hold your newbie hand....the extra cost may be worth it. (I think CHerry blossom also offers overpriced dating/marriage tours.) I suspect there are more than a few lurkers here who read ISG, but just can't bring themselves to make the trip.

I have to totally disagree. This figure if miles off, as others have said. You could even do SINGAPORE (where I'm living) for much less than that.

[QUOTE=Daywalker]Actually guys. If you do some of the math. Its not all that out of line. Maybe a little. But lets take out the cost of airfare (not the super dooper special advertised deals that only exist in the newspaper add and you can never actually book at that price) Real prices that you pay each trip. Figure in cost of a nice hotel room (not some 200 peso a day hovel). All your meals in a decent restaurant (not 25 peso street food). Your drinks (some of you put away alot of booze. Could be a big bill). And then the ladies. What is a really nice Makati type piece (not the 300 peso Ermita streetwalker with no teeth) of tail going for these days out of the clubs. Plus if you've never been there a guide to help you around (ok. Most of us don't NEED this part).

. And the total isn't that far off.

I learned this when figuring overseas moving costs. Door to door versus me doing all the leg-work. For an extra couple hundred bucks. I had no hassle.[/QUOTE]