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PinkPearl,
I grant you that your 7 step program for safe sex is not bad and may even be equal in risk as having casual sex with a condom, but please explain me how to put your plan in motion when I have taken a fancy to barfine an agogo-girl from Soi Cowboy?
To me your system seems as realistic and practical as abstinence as a way to avoid teenage pregnancies.
Bioengineers at the University of Utah School of Engineering have developed a molecular condom that women can use. Now every one can enjoy intimate contact naturally without the risk of pregnancy and diseases.
[url]http://www.newlifewoman.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2169483[/url]
Liquid contraception:get rid of traditional "condom use" (which for some people reduces pleasure) contraceptive pills that may have side effects. No more wories about condom breaking.
[url]http://www.newlifewoman.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2169533[/url]
A kind of water-soluble, tasteless, transparent liquid microbial agents paste contains active ingredient: essien octoxynal (benzene together. Abbreviation O. 9) , is the main components that destroys HIV virus, also kill various STDS pathogens, including herpes simplex virus, gonorrhea diplococcus, syphilis helicoid, chlamydia and human sperm, etc. According to BZK (benzene pierced chloride) It Also prevents pregnancy and stop the spread of sexually transmitedd diseases by distroying cause of the infection.
[url]http://contraception-std.com/index-1-English.htm[/url]
An amazing / surprising and epoch-making lubricating gel has been developed, which can be used for both prevention of all kinds of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) including AIDS and contraception. This lubricating gel injected into the vagina can be called Liquid Female Condom (Liquid Femidom) as it acts just like a rubber female condom (Femidom) in the roles of contraception and STD-prevention. It can be also used to protect against crab lice and ascariasis which cannot be protected by the rubber condom.
[url]http://contraception-std.com/operating%20instructions-English.htm[/url]
Silver Gel injected into the male urethra which can be called "Urethral Condom" enable to prevent various STDs including AIDS with its physical blocking wall effect and germicidal effect like solid condoms. However, in contrast with the ordinary condom the urethral condom concentrates its protection on the urethral mucous which is the sole invading route for germs unless there is scars on the skin of the penis. Furthermore, in contrast with the ordinary condom, the urethral condom elevates sexual feelings rather than lowering by lubricity of the silver gel and eliminates worries for being torn or taken off during coitus like condoms.
Furthermore, it has been known that silver as metal has a wide range of germicidal effects. It has been found that silver dispersed in water as very fine particles, which is called "coloidal silver" or "nano-silver", is more effective as a germicide. This nano-silver is proved to eradicate more than 650 germs and viruses in a few minutes without any effects to the human body. Recently it has been possible to manufacture nano-silver which has particle sizes of 2-15nm and concentrations of 5-20ppm by electrolysis in distilled water with silver eletrodes of more than 99. 99% in purity. Moreover, in contrast with other chemical germicides, nano-silver is non-irritant to the extremely sensitive mucous membrane in the male urethra. Therefore, nano-silver is the most suitable germicide to be added into the lubricating gel for STD / AIDS prevention due to its wide germicidal effects and non-irritability.
[QUOTE=John Dough;1271219]Bioengineers at the Uiversity of Utah School of Engineering have developed a molecular condom that women can use.[/QUOTE]This sounds too good to be true and a quick Google search failed to find any scienific reports or trials. Only commercial sites showed up, some going back to 2009 even. So it does not seem to be that new: how come it is not better known? I advise caution.
I'm a virgin looking to possibly lose it in Bangkok. Not so much HIV, but the prospect of getting herpes is what is giving me doubts though. I read that 60% of people in the US have HSV-1. If the rate is that high in the US then just about every one of these working girls in Bangkok must be infected with either HSV1 or HSV2. Is that probably right? And if all it takes is skin contact, even with a condom, what do I do? Is herpes part of the admission price to the world of prostitution? This might sound silly but I've been thinking about buying some antiseptic, or iodine and just dousing my whole groin right after sex. When you're done laughing at this post please give your advice.
[QUOTE=Dan Brody;1271282]I'm a virgin looking to possibly lose it in Bangkok. Not so much HIV, but the prospect of getting herpes is what is giving me doubts though. I read that 60% of people in the US have HSV-1. If the rate is that high in the US then just about every one of these working girls in Bangkok must be infected with either HSV1 or HSV2. Is that probably right? And if all it takes is skin contact, even with a condom, what do I do? Is herpes part of the admission price to the world of prostitution? This might sound silly but I've been thinking about buying some antiseptic, or iodine and just dousing my whole groin right after sex. When you're done laughing at this post please give your advice.[/QUOTE]How old are you Dan?
[QUOTE=Dan Brody;1271282]I'm a virgin looking to possibly lose it in Bangkok. Not so much HIV, but the prospect of getting herpes is what is giving me doubts though. I read that 60% of people in the US have HSV-1. If the rate is that high in the US then just about every one of these working girls in Bangkok must be infected with either HSV1 or HSV2. Is that probably right? And if all it takes is skin contact, even with a condom, what do I do? Is herpes part of the admission price to the world of prostitution? This might sound silly but I've been thinking about buying some antiseptic, or iodine and just dousing my whole groin right after sex. When you're done laughing at this post please give your advice.[/QUOTE]Best piece of Advice:
Come to Bangkok.
Book at Livingstone Lodge (Soi 33)
Talk with Giotto or his Wife.
They will set you up for the night with a girl from the Sports bar.
The girl will know your situation and will be willing to help you anyway she can.
Beats going to Cowboy, Nana or some MP.
For your first time, take it slow. Then the next day, get ready for the real raunchy stuff and try the EDEN CLUB
Frenchy is right. Good advice. It's your first time having sex and using a hooker, you need someone to hold your hand, so to speak, and Giotto could do that.
Just disregard the last line, wait a few decades before you try Eden.
[QUOTE=Dan Brody;1271282]I'm a virgin looking to possibly lose it in Bangkok. Not so much HIV, but the prospect of getting herpes is what is giving me doubts though. I read that 60% of people in the US have HSV-1. If the rate is that high in the US then just about every one of these working girls in Bangkok must be infected with either HSV1 or HSV2. Is that probably right? And if all it takes is skin contact, even with a condom, what do I do? Is herpes part of the admission price to the world of prostitution? This might sound silly but I've been thinking about buying some antiseptic, or iodine and just dousing my whole groin right after sex. When you're done laughing at this post please give your advice.[/QUOTE]Some suggestions:
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad;1195712]This report illustrates particularly well why repeatedly in the Safe Sex section of the International Sex Guide and elsewhere I urge everybody to use FEMALE CONDOMS: The standard male condom leaves the base of your penis unprotected, leaving you vulnerable to any STD that goes through skin such as herpes, syphilis, or genital warts. The female condom protects the entire penis because the larger of the two loops stays on the outside of the woman's body. The smaller loop inside the condom can be removed (use a clean finger you have not touched her genitals with) and the female condom placed on the penis before intercourse like a male condom. Often the female condom sticks to the inside of the vagina more than to the penis, so you're sliding back and forth inside the female condom feeling friction as well as pressure. Standard male condoms usually ruin the sensation because you feel no friction, only pressure. Another advantage of the female condom is you don't have that super tight still-rolled part of the condom hurting your penis like tourniquet. But the most important advantage of the female condom is vastly superior STD protection.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Trust Lust;1424362]I will continue the practice of washing my dick, after full service, whether I use a condom or not. My attitude rests on the fact that I've never experienced any STD symptoms. Cleaning up after sex is the key to it, not condom use.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1271101]I grant you that your 7 step program for safe sex is not bad and may even be equal in risk as having casual sex with a condom, but please explain me how to put your plan in motion when I have taken a fancy to barfine an agogo-girl from Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]I've added a couple items to the 7 to make it 9 steps now:
"Those who engage in bareback FS sex in this business would make us all much safer if they were (1) recently tested negative for STDs, especially HIV, (2) did not finish inside the vagina, (3) avoided drug users, especially intravenous users (IDUs) , (4) abstained from BB anal, (5) were circumcised, (6) have low millage partners who (7) seldom if ever do BBFS with anyone else, (8) do not engage in BBFS often, & (9) one or both partners are fixed as far as pregnancy is concerned, or at least she's using some form of birth control."
Regarding item #1 if you wanted to have BBFS with that gogo girl that same evening, you'ld want to see her recent STD test results. If she didn't have them handy, perhaps she could go to the clinic or hospital where they were done & show you the results. But if she hadn't been tested recently, that is not a good sign, although if you are still interested in her, it may be possible to go with her while she gets tested. If it were too late to do it that evening, then it would have to wait till the next day, in which case you may wish to play safer & abstain from BBFS that night. If she's not willing to get tested, it sends up red flags and you may want to find yourself another playmate. FL ladies I've known for some time have been very cooperative with me re them getting tested, but I haven't tried this with someone I've just met, nor those who work in the gogos.
Re items 2, 4 & 5, it's a bit late to get circumcised for sex that same day, if you are not already cut, since getting circumcised may put you out of commission for a while. But it's not too late to avoid BB anal and to not blow your load of cum inside her, if you have the self-control to accomplish that.
Re item 3, this is where your detective skills, if any, come into play. Sherlock Holmes would not miss those track marks on her exposed skin, or the signs of drug abuse. Admitedly not all of us have been born with or acquired the necessary abilities in this field, or to be able to read others like a skilled interviewer would.
Re item 6, a gogo bar may not be the best place to look for a low millage P4P TG. I've read of guys who go to the smaller towns to do it with virgins & of reports on ISG where part timers & uni girls can be found in BKK. Comments re item 3 would also come into play here.
Re items 7 & 8, refer to item 3 as well. For example, if you find in the bedroom the lady is very reluctant to agree to BBFS, you might question her to determine if the reason for her refusal is that she has HIV or other STDs. If she fails that test, you weed out a bad apple. If she passes that test, and depending on her answer, you might promise not to blast off inside her or tell her you've recently tested negative for STDS and, if necessary, show her your test result papers.
It may seem simpler to just slap on a condom, or slap your rod in BB, than to go to the trouble of things like testing, circumcision, or getting to know a sex worker, but if a guy wants a safe BBFS experience enough then it will be worth it to put in the effort.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1271101]To me your system seems as realistic and practical as abstinence as a way to avoid teenage pregnancies.[/QUOTE]Like with abstinence, for those without the discipline to practice it, some items won't be doable, such as the guy who cannot keep himself from exploding inside the girl, or from engaging in anal sex, or too scared to be circumcised, or too lazy to get STD tested.
STD testing is a very basic safe sex practice:
"If you're sexually active, particularly with multiple partners, you've probably heard the following advice many times: Use protection and make sure you get tested. This is important because people can have a sexually transmitted disease (STD) without knowing it. In many cases, no signs or symptoms occur."
[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/std-testing/ID00047[/url]
I think STD testing is very "realistic and practical". For example, consider two members who recently posted in this thread. One guy was concerned about herpes. He could have his sex partner in Thailand tested for that. The second guy has a SO (significant other) , also uses condoms, & was more worried about minor STDs than HIV. This type of guy could also reduce his risk factor significantly via testing.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1266561]OK. Updated the figures.
Assuming 2. 79% of Thai sex workers are HIV-infected and a transmission rate of 38 in 10000 (uncircumsized men, unprotected vaginal sex) , gives you a chance of not catching it of 0. 99989398 per sex act. At 3 times sex per week over 20 years, you have a 73 per cent of not getting infected. At 40 years exposure, it goes down to 53 per cent. At 60 years of exposure, it becomes 39 per cent. 3 times sex per week during 60 years will probably kill you from exhaustion already.
Circumcision lowers the transmission rate by (average) 55 per cent. Plugging that in the formula gives you the following chance to escape infection:
20 years: 87 per cent. (that is a 1 in 8 chance to catch HIV)
40 years: 75 per cent. (that is a 1 in 4 chance to catch HIV)
60 years: 65 per cent. (that is a 1 in 3 chance to catch HIV)
Condom use lowers the transmission rate by (average) 85 per cent (at least. I think with some care it will be much better). Plugging that in the formula gives you the following chance to escape infection:
20 years: 95 per cent. (that is a 1 in 20 chance to catch HIV)
40 years: 91 per cent. (that is a 1 in 11 chance to catch HIV)
60 years: 87 per cent. (that is a 1 in 8 chance to catch HIV)
Condom use is still significantly better than circumcision: using a condom gives you as much chance to catch HIV in 60 years of mongering as someone being circumcised and having unprotected sex in 20 years.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering where your "transmission rate of 38 in 10000" comes from. Was the Wikipedia number not 1 in 2000?
Also, how are you calculating your numbers. Is there on online source that you could refer me to, or a calculator to plug the figures in?
Finally, I was curious if you agreed with this math:
"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."
It seems that your 40 year rate has about the same percentage of 53, but is based on sex thrice weekly, whereas this calculation speaks of doing it "every single day".
So let me try to understand. Since no one is a doctor or part of the Research on the subject, why post this stuff? Obviously its a copy from Google?
Why bother?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1273984]So let me try to understand. Since no one is a doctor or part of the Research on the subject, why post this stuff? Obviously its a copy from Google?
Why bother?[/QUOTE]I'm a doctor. What's your problem? HIV? Under 25 YO?
You are a doctor? That's funny. Do you smoke but limit the damage by exhaling really fast? ;)
It might be of interest to consider the relative risks re HIV, such as in the following example which uses an estimated HIV infection rate of 5 in 10, 000 (from Wikipedia) , I. E. 1 in 2000, for an uninfected male having vaginal sex with a HIV positive female. Also assumed is a 10% figure for the liklihood a randomly chosen lady or FSW (female sex worker) is infected with HIV.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV[/url]
#Transmission.
"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 10% infection in the target group (and that is probably too large, but we'll go with it) , we arrive at 13, 862. 6 sexual encounters to have a 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 38 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."
[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/327875-the-hiv-scam/page__st__75[/url]
(ref posts 87, 89, 96)
The estimated rate of HIV in FSW in Thailand was listed as 2. 79% in the following study.
[url]http://www.unaids.org/en/dataanalysis/monitoringcountryprogress/progressreports/2010countries/thailand_2010_country_progress_report_en.pdf[/url]
Using that percentage of 2. 79% the above quote would change to say:
"If we take Degan's number of 1/2000, and use 2. 79% infection in the target group, we arrive at 49600 sexual encounters to have a slightly less than 50% probability of infection. That's a different partner every single day for about 137 years, and then it is only even money you are infected."
Change that to BBFS once every other day and there is a 95% chance of not being HIV infected in 20 years. It would be 90% after 40 years & 86% for 60 years, a lifetime of being sexually active. After 200 years it would be only a 40% chance of getting HIV, but who lives that long.
Consistent condom use (CFS) that reduced the HIV risk relative to BBFS by 95% would give you a 99. 37% chance of not being infected with HIV, having CFS with SP's thrice weekly for 60 years, with a transmission rate of 1 in 2000 and a SP infected rate of 2. 79. For BBFS it would be 88, 94. 5% if circumcised.
As you can see, based on these figures alone, there is only a few percentage points separating BBFS and CFS. So they would indicate, apart from a consideration of other factors, that there is not a great amount of difference in risk between the two, during a lifetime of sex, except for the usual sensation factor absent in sex with a plastic baggie.
But how reliable are these figures, assuming the math has no mistakes? There is more to the story that would support the case that the difference between CFS & BBFS is wider than what these stats would imply. More to come later, regarding that.