Crime, Safety, and the Police

Very true. I'm also not very confident AMLO, or any single politician, can change it. The issues are so ingrained in Mexican society, sadly, it will be a generational problem.

I think I feel the way I do because I hear more about the bystanders being killed in Chicago. You hear more about the 12 year old shot "accidentally" in a drive by. The reports out of Mexico are far less specific.

In any case, the violence, as I understand it, won't change my plans. Tijuana gets the edge based on the benefits. LOL.

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2214433]True, most MX murders are targeted. The same is also true for US cities. Continuing with Chicago example - 90% of gun violence that Chicago is so infamous for is gang-on-gang wars, retaliation cycles, etc. If you aren't affiliated with gangs and don't live in gang war zone areas. You have nothing to worry about.

The big difference with Mexico is that a scale of violence is on a different level. And the fact that the cartels run the show. While the law enforcement is corrupt, incompetent and ineffective. Maybe AMLO will turn things around, but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]

My guess is that much of the street violence can be curbed. But weeding out the corruption and police shakedowns will be a much bigger problems. Part of the problem is that Tijuana has 3 or 4 different police agencies that don't have police radio's with the same police bands. The other problem is that there needs to be more community policing. It is simply ridiculous that the ratero's are allowed to sell drugs openly on the street yelling Quanto's. Having a better system of checks and balances would do a lot to end corruption in Mexico as well.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2214632]Very true. I'm also not very confident AMLO, or any single politician, can change it. The issues are so ingrained in Mexican society, sadly, it will be a generational problem.

I think I feel the way I do because I hear more about the bystanders being killed in Chicago. You hear more about the 12 year old shot "accidentally" in a drive by. The reports out of Mexico are far less specific.

In any case, the violence, as I understand it, won't change my plans. Tijuana gets the edge based on the benefits. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Sure, that's reasonable. But think about the levels and scale of corruption. You have cartels paying off countless people with more 0's than I'll ever see. That's created a ruling class. And translate that all the way down to businesses paying protection money to street thugs. It's so prevalent and so ingrained that it's just a way of life. And the Mexican economy cannot possibly flip a switch and maintain a comparable semblance of life quality.

I don't see an end until, socially, there is a tremendous revolution. I'm not saying that is impossible. But I don't foresee it in the next decade. It's been part of the social structure for longer than we can imagine, I suspect.

[QUOTE=Hargow20;2215052]My guess is that much of the street violence can be curbed. But weeding out the corruption and police shakedowns will be a much bigger problems. Part of the problem is that Tijuana has 3 or 4 different police agencies that don't have police radio's with the same police bands. The other problem is that there needs to be more community policing. It is simply ridiculous that the ratero's are allowed to sell drugs openly on the street yelling Quanto's. Having a better system of checks and balances would do a lot to end corruption in Mexico as well.[/QUOTE]

The two vlass system existed long before the drug cartels became a huge problem in Mexico. Back in the 70'and 80's there was a a lot of drug smuggling. But the violence levels was nowhere near what it is today. Mexico back then had a lot of corruption. Today Mexico has a society that is both violent and corrupt. The other problem is that Mexico jas allowed these huge monop lists like Carlos Slim to control large sectors of the economy.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2215130]Sure, that's reasonable. But think about the levels and scale of corruption. You have cartels paying off countless people with more 0's than I'll ever see. That's created a ruling class. And translate that all the way down to businesses paying protection money to street thugs. It's so prevalent and so ingrained that it's just a way of life. And the Mexican economy cannot possibly flip a switch and maintain a comparable semblance of life quality.

I don't see an end until, socially, there is a tremendous revolution. I'm not saying that is impossible. But I don't foresee it in the next decade. It's been part of the social structure for longer than we can imagine, I suspect.[/QUOTE]

Chiquito from the other website brings this recent happening to our attention:

This is maybe one or two blocks past La Perla restaurant.

Atacan a tiros a una mujer en la zona Norte de Tijuana.

El ataque ocurrió sobre * las calles Coahuila why Mutualismo.

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

Una mujer resultó con lesiones por arma de fuego, la tarde de este martes en la zona Norte de Tijuana.

LOS hechos se reportaron alrededor de las 15:30 horas sobre las calles Coahuila why Mutualismo.

La mujer fue trasladada por socorristas de Cruz Roja a un hospital con al menos 5 disparos en diferentes partes del cuerpo, por lo que su condicióand es crítica.

Se informó que la Policía Municipal detuvo a una persona del sexo masculino relacionado con LOS hechos, quien traía un arma de fuego why abordó una bicicleta.

Shit is getting crazy!

Encuentran cadáver de mujer en un tambo de basura en Tijuana.

Escuchar.

Por: Ángel F. González.

28/08/2018 10:45.

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

El cadáver de una mujer fue localizado en un tambo de basura abandonado en la Zona Norte esta madrugada.

El hallazgo fue reportado en la calle Baja California, frente al albergue temporal "Tu lugar es a mi lado", en dicha colonia.

LOS agentes de la Policía Municipal confirmaron la presencia del cuerpo durante un recorrido de vigilancia, dentro de un bote de basura verde, del cual escurría sangre.

Edited just now by Sonero.

Just a friendly reminder, do not jaywalk around those border crossing areas.

I'm sure most of you don't jaywalk. But in the case that some of you don't use the crosswalks or don't wait for the green light to cross, just a warning that there are cops stationed at some of those intersections and will cite you if they catch you.

I was in Tijuana today. That little street you cross from Jack in the Box to the trolley stop (on the way to Ped East entrance), the light was red and I saw some guy ignore the red light and walk across. I was temped to follow him but stopped for some reason, and then I saw a cop standing right there on the other side. The guy that crossed on red was nabbed by the cop and as I passed by, saw him handing over his ID and probably getting a ticket.

Be patient and wait for the green light at all times.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2217974]Shit is getting crazy! Translated by Google Translate.

Encuentran cadver de mujer en un tambo de basura en Tijuana.

Escuchar.

Por: ngel F. Gonzlez.

28/08/2018 10:45.

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

El cadver de una mujer fue localizado en un tambo de basura abandonado en la Zona Norte esta madrugada.

El hallazgo fue reportado en la calle Baja California, frente al albergue temporal "Tu lugar es a mi lado", en dicha colonia.

LOS agentes de la Polica Municipal confirmaron la presencia del cuerpo durante un recorrido de vigilancia, dentro de un bote de basura verde, del cual escurra sangre.

Edited just now by Sonero.[/QUOTE]They find a woman's corpse in a trashcan in Tijuana.

Hear.

By: ngel F. Gonzlez.

08/28/2018 10:

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

The corpse of a woman was located in an abandoned trash bin in the North Zone this morning.

The finding was reported on Baja California street, in front of the temporary shelter "Tu lugar es a mi lado", in that colony.

The Municipal Police officers confirmed the presence of the body during a surveillance tour, inside a green trash can, from which blood flowed.

Edited just now by Sonero. (Translated by Google Translate)

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2215243]Chiquito from the other website brings this recent happening to our attention:

This is maybe one or two blocks past La Perla restaurant.

Atacan a tiros a una mujer en la zona Norte de Tijuana.

El ataque ocurri sobre * las calles Coahuila why Mutualismo.

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

Una mujer result con lesiones por arma de fuego, la tarde de este martes en la zona Norte de Tijuana.

LOS hechos se reportaron alrededor de las 15:30 horas sobre las calles Coahuila why Mutualismo.

La mujer fue trasladada por socorristas de Cruz Roja a un hospital con al menos 5 disparos en diferentes partes del cuerpo, por lo que su condiciand es crtica.

Se inform que la Polica Municipal detuvo a una persona del sexo masculino relacionado con LOS hechos, quien traa un arma de fuego why abord una bicicleta.[/QUOTE]Chiquito from the other website brings this recent happening to our attention:

This is maybe one or two blocks past La Perla restaurant.

They shoot a woman in the northern area of Tijuana.

The attack occurred on * the streets Coahuila why Mutualismo.

TIJUANA, Baja California (GH).

A woman was injured by firearms, this Tuesday afternoon in the northern zone of Tijuana.

The facts were reported around 15:30 hours on the streets Coahuila why Mutualismo.

The woman was taken by Red Cross lifeguards to a hospital with at least 5 shots in different parts of her body, so her condition is critical.

It was reported that the Municipal Police arrested a person of the male sex related to the events, who brought a firearm because he boarded a bicycle. (Translated by Google Translate).

Tijuana now in comparison to 10 years ago is much safer. Especially inside Hong Kong or Adelita clubs probably the safest places in Zona. Also Monte Carlo, Sonora Grill restaurants and OXXO opposite the Adelita no problem. In SG alley you have to be careful. Always use a taxi from the border to Zona and back. I can give you a link to video from about 10 years ago. Tijuana was like a war zone! Video - Tijuana shootout with cartel link [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzXqFe5M5v0[/URL]

My impression is that the Zona is safer these days. There is more police and they are arresting more of the ratero's and drug dealers. The crime still goes up and down so it is important to try be aware of when the crime is on the rise. This important because this when there is the most danger.

[QUOTE=StRobert;2219154]Tijuana now in comparison to 10 years ago is much safer. Especially inside Hong Kong or Adelita clubs probably the safest places in Zona. Also Monte Carlo, Sonora Grill restaurants and OXXO opposite the Adelita no problem. In SG alley you have to be careful. Always use a taxi from the border to Zona and back. I can give you a link to video from about 10 years ago. Tijuana was like a war zone! Video - Tijuana shootout with cartel link [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzXqFe5M5v0[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OlderMan4U;2218665]Just a friendly reminder, do not jaywalk around those border crossing areas.

I'm sure most of you don't jaywalk. But in the case that some of you don't use the crosswalks or don't wait for the green light to cross, just a warning that there are cops stationed at some of those intersections and will cite you if they catch you.

I was in Tijuana today. That little street you cross from Jack in the Box to the trolley stop (on the way to Ped East entrance), the light was red and I saw some guy ignore the red light and walk across. I was temped to follow him but stopped for some reason, and then I saw a cop standing right there on the other side. The guy that crossed on red was nabbed by the cop and as I passed by, saw him handing over his ID and probably getting a ticket.

Be patient and wait for the green light at all times.[/QUOTE]True, I have witnessed the same thing many times on that jack in the box intersection on Ped East.

Wait for the sign before you cross. This is not Tijuana, yet!

[QUOTE=Hargow20;2219335]My impression is that the Zona is safer these days. There is more police and they are arresting more of the ratero's and drug dealers. The crime still goes up and down so it is important to try be aware of when the crime is on the rise. This important because this when there is the most danger.[/QUOTE]One SG shared with me that most shootings happen after 11 - midnight, and she had switched her hours to earlier to avoid becoming a target. I would be extra vigilant mongering in the alley after 11 PM.

I thought the whole alley and the inside of Cascadas and HK are full of security cameras. For example, if you look at the reception desk and elsewhere, they are abundant, probably to watch the desk clerk and bar staff and the cash registers along with the customers. There is a sign at Cascadas reception prohibiting hats, sunglasses and hoodies so guests can be videotaped. If Mexicans dislike being in pictures, then they should avoid the clubs and hotel area with all the video cams.

[QUOTE=GNRPorche;2219418]One thing to never do in Mexico is take pictures. Just having the phone out can make people think your taking pictures. I had a street girl grab my phone she thought I was taking video. The issue is so many people are up to no good they don't want to be located or filmed. This is not pattaya. I think its also illegal to film or take pictures. That's how bad things are. I changed directions walking in the street in LA the other day, I begged with a cane was so paranoid I recognized him and was conning after him he was suddenly not needing the cane and running from me with his head turned to watch me. When people are up to no good, looking at anyone can be a problem.[/QUOTE]