Seeking Arrangements

This is cool, we get opinions over the entire spectrum:

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2565603]I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.[/QUOTE]Well, I think it's definitely a featured data point on their site, so I think there is some meaning to it to the girls.

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2565591]Regarding net worth and income, I know there are different schools of thought, but a wise man once said that these figures have the same effect on women that photos of T&A have on us men. It is almost direct evidence of our collective evolutionary biology on display. So, with that as your guide, I personally think it is a good idea to input numbers that are roughly in line with your actual status (perhaps not exact, but neither wildly higher or lower). I could write up the argument, but if you think it all the way through and how your desired interactions with SB's will play out, I think you'd probably come to a similar conclusion.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. This will never go away. There is no love just purely without this eye on our resources just like there is no love from us without that eye on the female sex features. But this is good. This is life. The key is what to make of it. I had a super pretty girl friend and more, man a 10 all around. She would swear and really believe she wasn't in it for the resources, and I believe her that on the surface that was true (I am a master of understatement in my dress and lifestyle). But it turned out she had hang-ups about this and it seems to me that she would have liked to be in charge by taking me down a few notches and uplifting her own value by being more a financial contributor, when she was not. Lots of problems ensued over time, and she never got over her resentments about me. So, in the end, accepting this biological reality is necessary. There has to be a win-win. They key question is: what about LTR and how can that work? But I supposed that's outside the scope of this forum to contemplate.

[QUOTE=CarloRogue;2565591]Now as for travelling to a small town in Colombia as an American, regardless of net worth, doesn't sound like a good idea. My research lead me to conclude you should only visit the major cities, along the major highways, but preferably via air. But we have some Latin American experts here that can provide better advice. And also, another thing you'll learn is that, given how large the pool is, you shouldn't fixate on any one given SB anyway, especially one requiring complex logistics and travel.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's what we have the Colombia group for. I have been around the block in Latin America in general. I think there is a certain overrating of the dangers. But there is also a false sense of security until it is too late.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2565554]You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).[/QUOTE]It would certainly be nice of our brothers to tell us all about it without any embarrassment. What has me wondering more is how many mongers ended up unable to warn us of what happened to them? If after some year (s) of detox I would want to go into an LTR again, I would scout the countryside of Colombia, Venezuela or most probably Brazil for a young girl with the dream of being a dedicated wife and having children and living a tranquil life. And that, I think, is best found in the countryside. Big city girls are probably rather spoiled or have certain other problems or downsides which have held them in limbo in the city. But for mongering, certainly the bigger the city the better. This is why I am zeroing in on taking a longer time in Bogotá.

This is quite amazing that I find myself not responding to some contacts and deleting messages. It is what most guys get offended by when it happens to us on the usual dating sites. Of course it's not all real either. You get favorited by a real hottie and then when I message her, no answer. But anyway, it's fun.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527]OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic![/QUOTE]That is some good info about what the girls see. Thanks Stinky. Day 4 of my post covid renewed subscription and I have 2 dates set up and lots of messaging going on. Some of these bitches are crazy.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2565742]That is some good info about what the girls see. Thanks Stinky. Day 4 of my post covid renewed subscription and I have 2 dates set up and lots of messaging going on. Some of these bitches are crazy.[/QUOTE]Crazy is an under statement. I just got back on in San Antonio page after just doing Mexico for the last year and half. Most are just crazy, with there stupid pictures trying to cover up there fat asses, or they just have ridiculous demands. I am so tired of seeing girls in pictures with there dogs or in yoga pants. Most of the pictures I get are with no make up, there stupid dog in the picture,(they probably can not afford the dog / part of the reason they are on SA, and in yoga pants. When the girls send pictures from Mexico and Moscow, complete opposite. Usually appropriately dressed and with make-up, no baseball hats, there is occasional small dog, but that does not bother me.

I am about ready to give up on the American girls again, time will tell. I have been so busy with the new business, plus the flooding in Texas is making work much more difficult and traveling to MTY, I usually just give up on SA in America. In San Antonio, I maybe be get hits on about 15% of my messages and maybe half I get phone numbers, that is when the drama usually begins in text message. Examples, no car, only can meet during the day, wanting a $1000 a meeting, no sex, and many other excuses. On the MTY page, I am probably at 40% closure rate, girls are much more beautiful and realistic with there demands. What a difference a 5 hour drive makes.

Also Prices have went up. I do not think I can get anything under $400 now, pre-covid I could not.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565527]I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SavePros321;2565554]You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).[/QUOTE]And the paranoia about the third world continues. I remember taking women to Mexico for dental work or medicines and having their relatives scream up and down that it was so dangerous to go. Time and again, we would hit the border and we were see the elderly walking across with a walker or cane and I would say, "If they are not scared, why should you be?" All that paranoia would go away once they hit the border. The paranoia was ridiculous.

I was in Brazil with two other guys who got mugged so I do not take criminal threats lightly. Rio was a place I could not enjoy because I perceived that there were muggers all around.

In comparison, the hotels in Colombia are much more strict about visitors than any here. The women need IDs to enter, and my favorite hotel in Bogota has a bomb sniffing dog. The notion that a hotel is less safe there than here is crazy.

As for small towns in Colombia, they are much like the small towns here. In general, they are safe. Everyone knows each other and for the most part the people lack ambition. I do not think the people there even believe that the wealth of Americans is real. If most who lived there were interested in money, they would be in the big city.

I like this summary much better.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2565603]I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.[/QUOTE]I have found the average Colombian girl to be more ethical than the average American one and certainly less materialistic. I think getting ripped off by an American is far more likely than being taken by a Colombian.

Thing that I have noticed is that the Colombian women are Catholic, often religious, and they have a wonderful positivity about them. Yeah, sure some are interested in money for the latest thing by Gucci, but I have seen time again the Colombian women on seeking to help their families which is in stark contrast to so many wenches in America. I think it would surprise a lot of guys here how often the Colombian women really do not care about your money.

The strippers and hookers are a different story as are the clubs in Colombia. For certain, you will see the predatory behavior there but I have not seen much of it on seeking. Not at all.

In fact, it is pretty routine for me to leave my wallet out. Out of the dozens of women I have seen in Colombia from seeking, there has never been a problem. Is that better or worse than the USA?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2565720]It would certainly be nice of our brothers to tell us all about it without any embarrassment. What has me wondering more is how many mongers ended up unable to warn us of what happened to them? If after some year (s) of detox I would want to go into an LTR again, I would scout the countryside of Colombia, Venezuela or most probably Brazil for a young girl with the dream of being a dedicated wife and having children and living a tranquil life. And that, I think, is best found in the countryside. Big city girls are probably rather spoiled or have certain other problems or downsides which have held them in limbo in the city. But for mongering, certainly the bigger the city the better. This is why I am zeroing in on taking a longer time in Bogot.[/QUOTE]I would not go to Venezuela. First off, getting a visa is near impossible. SS, the women there have seen time and again the dangers of long term planning. On top of that, I do not trust the environment there with regards to mental health. An American guy was dating a smoking hot Venezuelan here and she started to hear voices which is a sign of schizophrenia, and I think environment is just as important if not more so than genes with schizophrenia. Here is a study that shows heavy metal toxins lead to schizophrenia: [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3082825/[/URL].

You have people eating out of the trash there, and what is even more bothersome is that things we do not even think about like drinkable water are an issue IMO. You got a country with huge issues and the toxic world of petrochemistry. I am certain environmental safety controls are nonexistent. I would not want to have a child with a Venezuelan woman due to the health risks. Seriously.

I have been serious with three Colombian women, and I cannot say a bad word about any of them. They all were / are upbeat, not materialistic, and would make great mothers. Thing that happens in the USA sex prison is there has been such concerns about safety in the USA that child care prices and health care are through the roof. With CPS and ultra competitive mothers, there are such huge and unrealistic expectations put on American mothers, it is common for guys to lose their wives to their children.

In Brazil and Argentina, most homes in the affluent areas have a servant's quarters. You pay a live in maid a ridiculously small amount like $200 a month and they take of everything including cooking, cleaning, and child care. Colombia is way better than the USA but it is not as good as those countries. I talked to an Argentine woman who had four children. She was skiing two days after delivering her last child, and she had lived in Canada. She said she would have had one child in Canada due to the lack of help there and said one child in Canada would have been more work for her than four in Argentina. It was an amazing to see a mother of four children who was attractive, in good shape, and not stressed to the gills like so many are in the USA sex prison.

My novia now is in Bogota, and she grew up on the Colombian coast. I am not even going to curse it now but talking about her or showing photos of her. What I have said is that is if you are not envious of what I have now, you do not have a pulse.

American wenches do not know how to treat a man. I think of American women as minors, sexually untouchable. Brazilian women may be better looking and better in bed than their Colombian counterparts, but the Colombian women are the sweetest I have ever met. Once you start dating them, you will not look at American women again. And from what I have seen, you do not need to look in the smaller cities. You just need to be weary of women with designer everything and look for the humble ones who care about their families more than anything.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565851]And the paranoia about the third world continues. I remember taking women to Mexico for dental work or medicines and having their relatives scream up and down that it was so dangerous to go. Time and again, we would hit the border and we were see the elderly walking across with a walker or cane and I would say, "If they are not scared, why should you be?" All that paranoia would go away once they hit the border. The paranoia was ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Such a Pollyanna take on such a limited encounter.

Any thought that the elderly person could not afford change their current circumstances? So what if the area is controlled by dangerous criminal gangs: if you need food and your meds to keep living and cannot afford to get out, then you are going to grab your walker or cane and scoot your ass out of the door to wherever you need to go regardless of the situation.

With this advice about "just paranoia" we should tell all of the board members to just go skipping through the Favelas down in Rio without a care in the world.

And apologies to all of our "not US Citizens" brethren here on the board. This failure to look past one's own nose is common amongst the walled-garden variety of most North Americans.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2565887]Such a Pollyanna take on such a limited encounter.[/QUOTE]More like a dozen encounters.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2565887]Any thought that the elderly person could not afford change their current circumstances?[/QUOTE]LOL. The older people cross the border frequently. I think if you are 20 something and young and seeing 80 somethings using canes visiting a neighborhood, you can take this as a sign you are safe. I should have said these were Americans visiting. The older Americans would hang out in the shops and go to the dentist and buy medication.

The point was the paranoia about some Mexican border towns was not justified.

W

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2565887]With this advice about "just paranoia" we should tell all of the board members to just go skipping through the Favelas down in Rio without a care in the world.

And apologies to all of our "not US Citizens" brethren here on the board. This failure to look past one's own nose is common amongst the walled-garden variety of most North Americans.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Muggings in Rio are so common that the citizens there brag about not being mugged. It is a dangerous place like I said 2 out of 3 people on one of my trips got mugged there.

Usually the locals will be straight with you about the danger. I do not get your point. Why are you apologizing to them? They know their country better than anyone, and people should listen to them and not what is on the news.

Gentlemen, I agree with you that USA women are currently hopeless, but I believe this is a treatable disease, though I don't want to be the doctor or nurse on that disease. Men have to toughen up and stop being simps and have to bring the women to heel again. Now as for Colombianas vs. Brasileiras vs. Venezolanas being crazy or greedy or not, I hear mixed messages. I think all three can be good choices, but you have to be very aware of baggage issues and the economical benefits are appreciated only for so long to make up until she feels she is being short changed by being with you. Resentment sets in and I heard many stories where the hot relationships blew up and it was hard to see it coming at first.

AAAanyway, if we could come back to the subject, here is a question and my current approach and I ask the SA daters in CO for advice. These girls talk clearly about "mutual benefits" and make it clear they don't want guys to beat around the Bush too much. It doesn't seem to require much game with those, and instead a solid offer. But what should our offer for compensation be?

I posted this same question.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566061]here in the Colombia board[/QUOTE]But perhaps its better to ask here in the SA board.

If I take the same calculation I had applied (and explained) in the other post, I would say 250,000 COP x 4 = 1,000,000 COP for 24 hours.

But if I don't even want 24 hours it gets more interesting. 500,000 COP for the night? Would that seem too cheap?

I checked average monthly income in CO is under 450 USD, so 3 such nights and she'd have that average monthly income. Is that fair? Too much?

Should we negotiate lower than the rate of the straight up working girl? Amanecidas can be expensive, I have seen quotes of 400 to 800 COP, but I myself had negotiated 300 COP before, I think. So YMMV. What, then, shall we say?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2565951]More like a dozen encounters.

LOL. The older people cross the border frequently. I think if you are 20 something and young and seeing 80 somethings using canes visiting a neighborhood, you can take this as a sign you are safe. I should have said these were Americans visiting. The older Americans would hang out in the shops and go to the dentist and buy medication.

The point was the paranoia about some Mexican border towns was not justified.

W

Seriously? Muggings in Rio are so common that the citizens there brag about not being mugged. It is a dangerous place like I said 2 out of 3 people on one of my trips got mugged there.

Usually the locals will be straight with you about the danger. I do not get your point. Why are you apologizing to them? They know their country better than anyone, and people should listen to them and not what is on the news.[/QUOTE]Yep, Rio is a total Shit Hole now. I was scared shirtless there. Rio made me appreciate MDE and Kiev. I am sure Rio was good 10-15 years ago, but now no way. Way to dangerous.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566079]Gentlemen, I agree with you that USA women are currently hopeless, but I believe this is a treatable disease, though I don't want to be the doctor or nurse on that disease. Men have to toughen up and stop being simps and have to bring the women to heel again. Now as for Colombianas vs. Brasileiras vs. Venezolanas being crazy or greedy ... ?[/QUOTE]Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.

Many of them do still sell sex, directly or indirectly, but they charge a small fortune for it. And they don't tend to sell it in large continuous blocks of time, like months and years, making a relationship built on money for sex unrealistic.

The solution for a great number of guys on ISG is simply to purchase that sex in a foreign venue where the income / wealth disparity between an American man and a foreign woman is very significant. She will indeed heel and shake hands and even fetch.

The foreign woman still likes to be petted on the head and called a good dog, particularly if she was raised in a fucked-up environment dictated by The Pope, who told her that sex was wrong. Hence the popularity of Seeking Arrangement and its mixing of relationships and commercial sex and the ability for the participants to emphasize relationships. This has always been the case in Latin America and the Philippines, where meeting ladies at malls and buying them things and going to dinner was part of the commercial sex scene long before the smartphone and the internet replaced the mall scene.

If you suddenly gave women in South America and Mexico tremendous income and wealth without creating inflation, they would almost immediately behave like young American women currently do. This is observed when an American man brings back to the USA A poor lady and marries her.

The debatable point in the last few posts is to what extent an American man seeking commercial sex should change his lifestyle to spend large amounts of time in Mexico and South America to enjoy the abundant sex scene that exists in those places for a wealthy man. Most guys would be forced to give up things they value and enjoy in the United States in order to do so. We are all different in that respect. And certainly life is more dangerous in those places than in a wealthy USA Suburb. Different things work for different people.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2566145]Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.[/QUOTE]Yes, yes, income disparity is what drives SA and other forms of commercial sex around the world. In North America, many attractive women come from relatively comfortable families. If they do not establish a successful career path when they are young, they can venture out of this familial environment seeking fun or a partner with means. As a young woman ages a few years, the drive for a partner with some means starts to supplant simply having fun. Even attractive women from poor families figure out they might have something of value to a man with means.

I always laugh when some bloke says something to the effect that Brazilian women or another country's women are genetically wired to fuck a lot of men. That is not how women are wired.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2566168]I always laugh when some bloke says something to the effect that Brazilian women or another country's women are genetically wired to fuck a lot of men. That is not how women are wired.[/QUOTE]It is economics, but it goes way deeper. If you use the word "equality" in a discussion like this, you are naive and busy at work messing up your own life and the lives of men in general and chipping away on our civilization.

There is no equality.

Men and women aren't equal.

Everything that defines our prosperous civilization has been created by men. Men do over 90% of the productive and essential work in our society. This entire idea of "equality for women" is a great big rip-off scam, and it hurts our civilization as we are being replaced by people from cultures that maintain a higher fertility index, I. E. , children per women.

Also, these fucked up women in America are digging their own hole. There is a lot of unhappiness among the older women in America and Europe. Feminism has trashed it all. The false victim narrative, the half truths of "inequality" and "oppression", it's all toxic bullshit that has destroyed the vitality of our formerly so superior civilization, all built by men, and all destroyed now again by men who are weak-minded simps parroting propaganda about equality.

I believe there are market corrections happening right now in the sexual market place. But of course that is driven by men walking away from the fucked up deal and stop cutting themselves down by agreeing to and pushing anti-male propaganda.

Women still want kids, and ultimately it is in their best interest to marry young, be attached to one man and enjoy being taken care of. As soon as a woman starts to want to be in the driver seat and having a leg up over her man, that is when she loses passion and destroys her own home. The issue is that men let them get away with it. The solution is young men should NOT marry until they have built their career, and with 30 onward, marry a good just about virgin of 18-20 years, 40 year old men go for 20-25 years. With prenup. But those women over 25 should be avoided like the plague, generally speaking. Women need to learn the hard way that they are messing up their lives by rendering themselves worthless and unable to hold a marriage by cashing in early on their sex value and telling themselves the lie of "equality" and all the other feminist bullshit.

Men need to stop paying taxes for all this welfare shit and the entire cushy airconditioned HR apparatus and other bureaucratic fake jobs which give the women the false sense of them being economically equal. It's mostly bullshit jobs that they do. Jobs that don't matter. Jobs that are subsidized by the tax money and foregone earnings of productive men.

And it's happening. It's happening already. The only question is what type of men will enjoy the women newly put into their place ordained by nature? Will it be emasculated and spineless Western metrosexual atheist simps or will it be Muslim invaders? I think it's pretty clear who will.

"Also Prices have went up. I do not think I can get anything under $400 now, pre-covid I could not. ".

Thank you for the current SAT USA Market rate D|F.

I need to get some sexo soon and considering SA since I do not feel comfortable traveling on plane outside USA Even a false positive CV19 could cost my job with having to Q-tine for 2 weeks. And I'm not scared of crossing into MEX. I luv Tijuana especially HK but is hard to get a room there on weekends. Weekdays are not good as I have to take time off work.

So maybe as soon as next weekend flying out to El Paso for the day and cross Zaragosa bridge where there are several MPs close by.

Some guys worry about not having enough to talk about with a Sugar Baby over dinner.

You certainly don't have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566224]It is economics, but it goes way deeper. If you use the word "equality" in a discussion like this, you are naive and busy at work messing up your own life and the lives of men in general and chipping away on our civilization.

There is no equality.

Men and women aren't equal.

Everything that defines our prosperous civilization has been created by men. Men do over 90% of the productive and essential work in our society. This entire idea of "equality for women" is a great big rip-off scam, and it hurts our civilization as we are being replaced by people from cultures that maintain a higher fertility index, I. E. , children per women.

Also, these fucked up women in America are digging their own hole. There is a lot of unhappiness among the older women in America and Europe. Feminism has trashed it all. The false victim narrative, the half truths of "inequality" and "oppression", it's all toxic bullshit that has destroyed the vitality of our formerly so superior civilization, all built by men, and all destroyed now again by men who are weak-minded simps parroting propaganda about equality.

I believe there are market corrections happening right now in the sexual market place. But of course that is driven by men walking away from the fucked up deal and stop cutting themselves down by agreeing to and pushing anti-male propaganda..[/QUOTE]