Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]To me they were no different than any of the women currently on the strip. It's just that they were done up to look sexier than they really are, with the makeup, high heels, and skimpy outfit or thong bikini.

But I know better. I've stayed at Mary Rose back in May / June and learned rather quickly, that many of these chicas stay at one of those hotels a couple of feet from Mary Rose. You can catch these women going to the local colmado, or just see them out and about. Or find a way to get their numbers or slip them a number, and make arrangements with them off duty. I'm sure many of these girls would love to keep all of the money they earn rather than their place of employment getting a cut.

When they aint working in CMP, you might not even recognize any of these chicas, because they don't look as stunning in normal attire as they do done up at CMP. In fact. Most of these chicas, including the ones freelancing all over Sosua. You take off all of that makeup, hair do, get them off of those 5 inch pedestals they have on theior feet, pull off the padded bras from those thin chicks. And you got a chica that is basically a plain jane girl you might not give a second look to. Thats how I look at many of these chicas. I say to my self. How is she going to look once she does the transformer jedi trick in my spot? After that realization, them types asking $2500 to 4000 pesos for their time becomes a ridiculous proposition and a ripoff.[/QUOTE]This is exactly why it is rarely worth paying a premium for a '10'. The chica who is your dime is probably my '6' and I will offer her 1000 pesos and be prepared to walk and she will probably submit to my will later if not sooner, because I don't care.

Actually this is the case with all women. Sometimes I look at my girl first thing in the morning and think I would like a change of scenery, but then when I look at photos where she is all made up and dressed to kill, she is every bit a dime and she and I together are like beauty and the beast together. So to have this 10 almost 40 years my junior who can't leave my dick alone is nothing to sneeze about.

Also see this:

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It's late 9 ish last night. I'm sitting at Rockys watching chicas go by. One particular chica walks by going towards the supermarket, later she passes right by again this time going towards Rumba. She slows down and smiles. She is cute, nice body. She looks like she could be Haitian (she wasnt) About 5'5" to 5'6". She was wearing flat shoes. She stops and does the typical "Whats your name, where you from?" line. I chuckled when she asked, and told her."you know where I am from".

Mistake number one. She sat down next to me. No real invite from me, but I didn't tell her not to sit either. A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.

While sitting there, I asked her how much for her time if I was interested. She typed $2500 for 2 hours and $4000 for TLN. Of course she was thinking I might be a sucker who would pay that. I told her right then, I don't pay those kind of prices. Nor do most men here in Sosua. Now in her mind, she is probably thinking I have already established I might take her with me, we just have to agree on a price. She types. How much am I willing to pay?

I told her I can't tell her that. Once she gave me her price, I don't want to negotiate with her from that. Her price is her price, and thats really what she wants. I was hoping she would take that as a sign that we don't have a meeting of minds, and roll out. But she just sat there trying her best to convince me to give her a price of what I would pay. Once she realized I had my mind made up of not taking her for any price. She decided I needed to pay her some pesos for her time.

I told her I don't owe her for her anything. I did not invite her to sit down. She chose to sit down. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking that buying the cerveza wasnt really a good idea, although it could be perceived as a kind gesture. But I think offering a drink to a chica with her mindset can result in the chica thinking you have taken her off the market at that moment. So I will remember that the next time I get the urge to offer a chica a drink while she is on the prowl for clients.

I decide I had enough of this chica, and now it's beginning to turn ugly. She's getting upset, and I'm telling her she aint going to get no clients acting like that and asking those ridiculous prices. I start to walk towards Terra Linda where my car is parked. I turn my back briefly and the chica picked up the bottle and tossed on me some of what was left in her Presidente bottle. Now my attention towards her is face to face. She makes another attempt, and this splatter misses me. I start to walk towards her and she turns the bottle around as if she might throw it at me or try to club me with it.

I decided it would be best to go back inside the restaurant and just wait her out. There is definitely no money to be made if she continues arguing about getting paid for her time. Now the main reason, I let that beer shower go. Is because I suspect that things could take a drastic turn whereas I would be trying to explain my situation to un sympathetic police. She could lie and say I hit or threatened her and she was defending herself. They might arrest me, and have me now trying to sort out a much bigger problem. At the very least, they would have told me I should pay the chica and allow her to go about her business. I chose the path of least resistance, while thinking of saving my money.

Here's an example of why I chose to be passive on the matter. The dude King Kong, a prominent fixture at Rockys was sitting in Rockys as usual when a chica he knew from passing, came in Rockys and was engaging with him. She may have been talking or touching him in some way. But he got irritated by her and picked up a glass of water and threw some of the water on the chica. That gesture I believe cost him time in the lockup and / or a hefty fine in the thousands of dollar range just for tossing water on a chica.

Now imagine me going after this chica with the Presidente bottle and slapping the shit out of her because she threw some beer on me? She would have got the worst end of OUR exchange on a personal level, but thats not how the police would see it. There were at least a dozen bystanders all just looking but not remotely interested in getting involved. And even if the police were called, there is no telling what the outcome would have been. It's just like when someone has an accident, they call 911 and the police come. Thats when the lying starts. Then the police don't know who to believe. But in the DR, the chica may be favored over a foreigner who has more advantages. Because of King Kong's situation, thats why I didn't retaliate or walk away from the restaurant to allow her to feel she could throw that bottle at me, where I might forget everything and end up in deep trouble.

She eventually left, and I decided it was still kinda early, so I just sat back down and chilled some more. There were a couple of folks in Rockys. I told them jokingly ya'll all can have a cerveza, it's "on me".

Lessons learned (although all chicas arent the same)

Be leery of chicas on the prowl and allowing them to sit with you, or allow them to get in your car or come to your hotel etc.

Buying them shit could lead to problems or their assumption that you put them on the clock.

In conversation never tell them or let them know where you are staying, where you are going, or details that could be used against you.

For instance. If I mentioned anything about my car rental and let her know where it was parked nearby, she could have sought to do damage to it because she didn't get what she thought she deserved.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]heard about CMP. But since he never been inside, I suggested he at least take a look inside of CMP.

What does CMP stand for, please

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1484528]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]heard about CMP. But since he never been inside, I suggested he at least take a look inside of CMP.

What does CMP stand for, please[/QUOTE]Carribean Mens Paradise. Its a brothel in case ya didn't know. For anyone interested I did see they have a 1500 peso massage with a happy ending (hand job ). Perhaps that service is a good way to vet a chica and exchange contact info for off duty services.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484518]A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.[/QUOTE]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.

Reading stuff like this makes me really concerned about Sosua and is a big turn off. Buy the girl a drink in Brazil (excluding Rio and I avoid Rio totally) , or some other Latin countries and they are usually nice and warm towards you, even if it is a place where they do not get a kickback from the drink. This kind of violent behavior is what concerns me about Sosua, that a very large percentage are hardcore! Do most have pimps? Percentage-wise is this libel. A 1 in 4 thing? My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484535]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.[/QUOTE]

That's just bad luck, sorry you had that experience. I get worried the same thing will happen to me, even though it has not yet. Sometimes a chica will come over and start talking and I will let her know I am not interested or I just want to drink by myself. Most of the time they will take the hint and go away. Very rarely do I have to repeat this, but it can happen.

I think the main concern is a chica thinking she is being lead on and then her time is wasted so she gets nothing from it, after all time is money here. But then again, she initiated wasting her time by wasting yours first. And then gets upset / angry about it. Funny / Interesting and sad how that works. I think you handled it properly though. But we definitely need to take these things into account, we are not locals and are always seen as walking ATMs. Everyone should have a great time but be cautious and chicas view you like this and if one is it interested it is best to make that clear from the start and walk away or just not answer them if they are persistent.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484518]It's late 9 ish last night. I'm sitting at Rockys watching chicas go by. One particular chica walks by going towards the supermarket, later she passes right by again this time going towards Rumba. She slows down and smiles. She is cute, nice body. She looks like she could be Haitian (she wasnt) About 5'5" to 5'6". She was wearing flat shoes. She stops and does the typical "Whats your name, where you from?" line. I chuckled when she asked, and told her."you know where I am from".

Mistake number one. She sat down next to me. No real invite from me, but I didn't tell her not to sit either. A few minutes in I offered her a Presidente. Mistake number two. Especially since I know most of these chicas don't appreciate these gestures. And as my story will reveal, these gestures of kindness can be used against you if dealing with the wrong chica. She was one of them.

While sitting there, I asked her how much for her time if I was interested. She typed $2500 for 2 hours and $4000 for TLN. Of course she was thinking I might be a sucker who would pay that. I told her right then, I don't pay those kind of prices. Nor do most men here in Sosua. Now in her mind, she is probably thinking I have already established I might take her with me, we just have to agree on a price. She types. How much am I willing to pay?

I told her I can't tell her that. Once she gave me her price, I don't want to negotiate with her from that. Her price is her price, and thats really what she wants. I was hoping she would take that as a sign that we don't have a meeting of minds, and roll out. But she just sat there trying her best to convince me to give her a price of what I would pay. Once she realized I had my mind made up of not taking her for any price. She decided I needed to pay her some pesos for her time.

I told her I don't owe her for her anything. I did not invite her to sit down. She chose to sit down. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking that buying the cerveza wasnt really a good idea, although it could be perceived as a kind gesture. But I think offering a drink to a chica with her mindset can result in the chica thinking you have taken her off the market at that moment. So I will remember that the next time I get the urge to offer a chica a drink while she is on the prowl for clients..[/QUOTE]

In about 3 trips I've never been to CMP.

I keep hearing mixed reviews but I guess I'll swing by next time just to see it for myself. I definitely prefer "takeout" to in house action so I'll probably just arrange a meet for later.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1484494]When they aint working in CMP, you might not even recognize any of these chicas, because they don't look as stunning in normal attire as they do done up at CMP. In fact. Most of these chicas, including the ones freelancing all over Sosua. You take off all of that makeup, hair do, get them off of those 5 inch pedestals they have on theior feet, pull off the padded bras from those thin chicks. And you got a chica that is basically a plain jane girl you might not give a second look to. Thats how I look at many of these chicas. I say to my self. How is she going to look once she does the transformer jedi trick in my spot? After that realization, them types asking $2500 to 4000 pesos for their time becomes a ridiculous proposition and a ripoff.

I have to say, I kinda felt sorry for some of these girls in CMP. Ready to work but no clients to work on. And then I thought about all of the chicas currently at Rumbas and D'Latins still looking for clients and may not have fucked anybody yet. For many of the chicas thinking of themselves as dimes, they'll stick to their ridiculous p4p prices even if it means not having any clients. And I saw a bunch of those around at 2 am last night. Many hanging at Merengue hoping to be scooped up. The girls don't sit still very long. They have to keep moving around a lot looking to be discovered. They need potential clients to watch them walk from one side of the street to the other in them heels. Them heels definitely does something to make a woman appear sexier. And thats how many of them snag clients. Just from them sashaying around to be seen. However, some just look absolutely awkward trying to walk in them heels / platforms without tripping or slipping.[/QUOTE]Yeah you've got to be good at looking though all the makeup sorcery. Avoid the aggressive, overly made up, cat suit wearing crowd and find winner who's off in a corner on her own.

Question: Is there any place near Mary Rose that you can "chica watch"?

Came back a 3 weeks ago from The Mary Rose. And yes there is.

Just across the road is a small store. And there are normally loads of people. Just sitting around watching the world go by with a beer in hand.

OR

Turn left out or MR and there is a small "restaurant". Local food. Where you can eat, drink and watch the world go by early evening.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484535]Cultural misread. In countries like the US and UK alcohol is often used as a lubricant for courtship. In a place like Sosua buying a chica an alcoholic drink means that you want to do business, and is not necessary at all. Even a single beer can have some effect in changing behaviour and reducing inhibitions, as you saw. If she ASKS for a beer, then that is even worse, because it could mean she has a taste for alcohol.

My take: If drinking alcohol is part of your normal life, and necessary for you to function and does not impair your judgment, go ahead and drink whatever you want for yourself, but there is absolutely no need to buy drinks for chicas and if you want to negotiate a reasonable price for sex, why on earth would you want to spend money on drinks for her-drinks that may affect her behavior in unpredictable ways.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that your analysis although true when it applies accordingly, it is also flawed where it doesn't apply accordingly. Buying chicas drinks does not necessarily mean you want to do business. And it certainly doesn't mean every chica assumes that. It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.

WTH do you think most guys are doing with chicas in all of these trip reports? Holding hands? They are drinking with chicas. They are buying chicas drinks. They are sharing with chicas. They are buying and stocking their fridges with alcohol for themselves and their company. You've never bought chicas anything to eat or drink in all of your years mongering? I wouldn't believe it if you said you didn't. And yes, It aint necessary of course, but it's done. Buying chicas drinks is that mongers thing, thats their business. This is the 1st time I had a chica take that route. My situation is something to take into consideration, but that incident won't stop me from offering or sharing with a chica if I choose to. Have you any input to many of the other posters like TomJackin who shared reports and photos of them buying and drinking with chicas? I don't recall much. But this incident woke you up for some reason?

Here is something to take into consideration. If a chica gets one drink in her and shows her ass before she gets to a mongers spot, Is it better to discover some issues before hand, or after she's in your spot offering her drinks and then she turns into an incubus? Things aint always one way or the other. Judgements can be made according to the situation and be made flexible to fit the circumstances and the people relating. I'm sure some guys here can attest to buying drinks or sharing drinks with chicas and had no issues at all. Which sets the standard to follow? One problem, or 3 dozen incidentless outcomes?

[QUOTE=Puntz79; 1484550]That's just bad luck, sorry you had that experience. I get worried the same thing will happen to me, even though it has not yet. Sometimes a chica will come over and start talking and I will let her know I am not interested or I just want to drink by myself. Most of the time they will take the hint and go away. Very rarely do I have to repeat this, but it can happen.

I think the main concern is a chica thinking she is being lead on and then her time is wasted so she gets nothing from it, after all time is money here. But then again, she initiated wasting her time by wasting yours first. And then gets upset / angry about it. Funny / Interesting and sad how that works. I think you handled it properly though. But we definitely need to take these things into account, we are not locals and are always seen as walking ATMs. Everyone should have a great time but be cautious and chicas view you like this and if one is it interested it is best to make that clear from the start and walk away or just not answer them if they are persistent.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I realized buying this particular chica was not helping the situation. But it didn't turn bad until I let her know I wasnt interested in being with her for any price. Moreover I don't know how she would have conducted herself when it came to getting down to business. Her showing out was a good thing. Because I was attracted to her. But her price was a red flag that she was bad news, and how she likely looked at me as a sucker when her brain decided that 2500/4000 was a fair price.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484558]In about 3 trips I've never been to CMP.

I keep hearing mixed reviews but I guess I'll swing by next time just to see it for myself. I definitely prefer "takeout" to in house action so I'll probably just arrange a meet for later.

Yeah you've got to be good at looking though all the makeup sorcery. Avoid the aggressive, overly made up, cat suit wearing crowd and find winner who's off in a corner on her own.

Question: Is there any place near Mary Rose that you can "chica watch"?[/QUOTE]I can second those words of wisdom from Mind Bender. Staying far away from the girls who are overly aggressive, wear cat suits and have excessive war paint on their faces. I have had far better luck with the demure seemingly shy ones.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]I can tell you that your analysis although true when it applies accordingly, it is also flawed where it doesn't apply accordingly. Buying chicas drinks does not necessarily mean you want to do business. And it certainly doesn't mean every chica assumes that. It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Wrx, she used the purchase of the drink as an excuse to try to intimidate you into paying her for her time, I have bought hundreds of girls drinks and never once have I had a girl tell me that I owed her money for time spent. Buying a girl a drink is S. O. P. For the commencement of the interview process and is practiced by mongers world wide every day.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]It is already understood buying drinks is not necessary. But that is what some guys do. Just like individuals do when they offer to buy other people they are socializing with a drink.[/QUOTE]But that is my whole point-if you come from an alcohol-based society where it is expected that people buy drinks for their friends and company, or stock their fridges with drinks for themselves and their friends, you may feel some social obligation to buy drinks for chicas, and of course that is exactly what the bar owners are counting on and why chica bars are profitable. However it is not at all necessary to buy drinks for chicas if you want to monger-even if many of the chicas are found in bars.

I would think this is an interesting point since people on this board consistently discuss how to reduce expenses on their trips and buying drinks for chicas could be a significant and totally avoidable expense. If people are going to whine about things like taxi fares from the airport and then spend a significant amount of money on alcohol for prostitutes, that is an odd priority.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484624]You've never bought chicas anything to eat or drink in all of your years mongering? I wouldn't believe it if you said you didn't. And yes, It aint necessary of course, but it's done.[/QUOTE]If I am spending the day with someone, then of course I am buying all their food and drink, but I would rarely buy drinks in bars for new acquaintances, because I am not into that, and don't like the smoke in bars anyway. I rarely drink (alcohol) myself, so I certainly don't feel any obligation to buy drinks for others unless, perhaps, I specifically thought a chica would perform better in bed if some alcohol was administered first. Not buying chicas drinks has had no noticeable detrimental effect on my sex life.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]Do most have pimps?[/QUOTE]Very few have pimps in the US sense of the word who drive them out to work and watch them like hawks forcing them to maximise income or control them through a drug habit or violence.

A lot of full-time working girls have husbands or boyfriends who they totally or partially support and most of them do it quite willingly because they are fond of these parasites and have grown up in the Latin culture that this behaviour is normal and expected.

It is very rare for the gringo mongers to knowingly come into contact with these lowlifes. Sometimes they will be the moto drivers with whom the girls arrive and you can spot that by the girls having a conversation with them, exchanging cash or door-keys with them, or giving them a peck on the cheek, but otherwise they won't behave any differently from other motoconchistas.

If you want to almost guarantee avoiding this scum then avoid the hardcore putas and the bars they frequent.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?[/QUOTE]Casa Cayena is an excellent choice and a great base for your trip.

95% of the guys who have problems with chicas, police, bar-owners, etc, are doing something wrong. They have drunk too much (none at all would be best but that is too much to expect from most guys here) , or they attracting attention themselves in one way or another (dress, mouthing off, misplaced attempts at humor, getting into conversations with locals, attracting the attention of hard-core putas, being too generous (such as buying rounds for strangers) , being too tight (such as quibbling over 20 pesos change when you should just walk away and don't go back to that bar) , going back with girls to their place (potentially very dangerous) , etc.

From your posts you seem a cautious, even timid, person but also an experienced and sensible one. I don't think you will feel the necessity to do any of the above things to have a great time. Hang with some decent ex-pats or veteran visitors on your first two days until you know your way around. No need to stay with them after if they have outlived their usefulness and you want to go it alone.

You will have a great time in Sosua, but if you are really into dancing you may have a better one in Puerto Plata. (I mean Latin dancing, of course, bachata, merengue and salsa).

But if you drink too much, or (like me) act stupid after very little alcohol, then all bets are off.

You can shade the odds in your favor by going with haitianas, but if you are not attracted to black girls that advice won't help much.

The reason haitianas tend to be less trouble is they are mostly illegal immigrants and don't want to attract attention to themselves. Dominican police and other Dominicans will usually support their own countrymen / women right or wrong, but they won't favor haitianas over gringos.

Another reason some of us favor haitianas is that they are more intelligent on average. Most dominican putas are on the game because they are too stupid to get a decent job, but such is the disastrous economic situation in Haiti that quite intelligent and educated girls have no other choice.