Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1810670]I will be looking forward to visiting Tony's Club.[/QUOTE]Hey man don't give away the secret. On the other hand most of the guys who post here do the gogos so we don't have to worry about them in the discos.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1810670]Breadman,

Yes, I am Indian and I am aware that many clubs don't allow us in and think of us as a nuisance, a lot of Indians visitors have spoilt it for the rest of us, however I have heard that there is a workaround for this if we say that we want an entire bottle and a table we (Indians) get VIP Service from the Club, I am not sure if this is true or not but I will try it and report back to the forum. I will be looking forward to visiting Tony's Club.

Thanks for all your suggestions. I will surely take all your advice under consideration.

TheTank[/QUOTE]I think the odds are stacked against you, bias can't be overcome with a bottle. You might gain entry in a club or two but then you'll be dealing with the girls who won't want to be barfined by you in fear of finding a group of men waiting back at your hotel....each guy in your group is staying in their own room correct?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1810959]I think the odds are stacked against you, bias can't be overcome with a bottle. You might gain entry in a club or two but then you'll be dealing with the girls who won't want to be barfined by you in fear of finding a group of men waiting back at your hotel....each guy in your group is staying in their own room correct?[/QUOTE]I think the bottle service may do it. It seems to me these places will not let Indians in is because they think they will not spend cash. Same goes for the Russians. At Red Car I have witnessed a Russian couple be let in but they were told they had a 3 drink minimum. A doorman would come by every 15 minutes reminding them of it.

No doubt, Phuket is the most beautiful place to spend time in Thailand.

Its like south Goa but far less crowd and pollution but more white sand.

In my knowledge and experience mongering is more easier and cheap for first timers in Pattaya.

As far as travelling for nightlife is concerned, if you are staying near second road and central Pattaya road you can reach to most of the happening places in no time with abaht bus that charges 10 b I. E. 20 INR for any distance on beach road and second road. Just don't ask "how much?" To the baht bus driver. BTW baht bus is not like a typical Indian bus, its like our tata207 model with arrangement of seats in the rear trunk.

For most of the tourist places like underwater world, sriracha zoo or even Russian show and 69 show, you can get a cab for free since the get commission from the venues they are taking you to. But it would be wise to visit any soapy or other mongering place on your own using baht bus and a little walk.

Peace!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1810794]Make sure you read the ROD threads on each location. There are some very solid reports there. Specially ones on how not to get ripped off.[/QUOTE]Blanquiceleste,

Sure will do.

Thank you for your insight.

TheTank

I.

First, if you can't get in whatever you want to do is not relevant. And if you do get in why bother to do bottle service unless the girls want to drink and go with you. I would just buy a drink first and go from there. It is sad that you have to overspend needlessly. There are plenty of Go Go's on W. S. That will allow Indians that dress Western style into Go Go's particularly on Soi Diamond and Soi 15, alone. If all is lost give Katoey R.Us a try on Soi Dimond.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1810959]I think the odds are stacked against you, bias can't be overcome with a bottle. You might gain entry in a club or two but then you'll be dealing with the girls who won't want to be barfined by you in fear of finding a group of men waiting back at your hotel....each guy in your group is staying in their own room correct?[/QUOTE]I will try a see if the technique works or not and I will report back on the forum. Sometimes when the odds are stacked up against you makes it even more of a adventure.

Actually its not a group its just 2 of us who are going and we are having separate rooms so we can enjoy in private.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1810877]Hey man don't give away the secret. On the other hand most of the guys who post here do the gogos so we don't have to worry about them in the discos.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational,

I think everyone on this forum are giving away their secrets and valuable insights. If we are able to help each other then why not?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1811148]I.

First, if you can't get in whatever you want to do is not relevant. And if you do get in why bother to do bottle service unless the girls want to drink and go with you. I would just buy a drink first and go from there. It is sad that you have to overspend needlessly. There are plenty of Go Go's on W. S. That will allow Indians that dress Western style into Go Go's particularly on Soi Diamond and Soi 15, alone. If all is lost give Katoey R.Us a try on Soi Dimond.[/QUOTE]LittleBigMan,

Yeah, its kind of sad that a few have spoilt it for the rest of us, and because of these few most of the others who have come to have a good time are the ones who have to pay the price of it. I have heard a lot about how Indians are behaving over there and creating a bad image for the lot of us. Oh well what can you do?

I have made a list of places to visit and Go Go's are on the list too, I will add your suggestions to it as well.

Thank you for your help!

TheTank

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1810313]1) A friend told me that if we are taking a Tuk Tuk or a Taxi to a club or a massage place, then we don't have to pay the driver as the establishment pays them a commission to bring customers. Is this true? If so how does it work?[/QUOTE]If a tuk tuk or taxi takes you to his choice of massage parlor, he gets a commission. You will have to negotiate with the driver to give you a free ride (easily done). You probably can even negotiate so that he pays you a kickback. But as written previously, you will pay more overall.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1810313]2) From RTFF I gather that the bar fine for a girl is fixed and her rate is subject to bargaining. Is my understanding correct?[/QUOTE]Yes. I've never seen people trying to haggle down the bar fine. Wondering if some places will accept. But IMO this might give you a bad cheap reputation.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1810313]5) When we book a double bedroom in a hotel is it understood by the hotel that we will bring a "guest" with us for the night? Or do they create issues and ask for a joiner fee?[/QUOTE]Many / most hotels in Pattaya will not have a joiner fee for 1 guest. Many will have a joiner fee if you bring in more than 1 girl (I hate this policy!) Some (not many) hotels do not want this type of business and will apply a joiner fee for the first girl. You need to find out. There is a site that lists the girl friendly hotels, or ask the hotel.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1811154]LittleBigMan,

Yeah, its kind of sad that a few have spoilt it for the rest of us, and because of these few most of the others who have come to have a good time are the ones who have to pay the price of it. I have heard a lot about how Indians are behaving over there and creating a bad image for the lot of us. Oh well what can you do?

I have made a list of places to visit and Go Go's are on the list too, I will add your suggestions to it as well.

Thank you for your help!

TheTank[/QUOTE]As noted in the past, I do not think in general any of the Indians we are talking about will be on this board. The one's here I think I can safely say are more educated. More well manner and have been living or working outside of Indian etc. To be more in tune with many of the western ways like in dressing. I'm somewhat of a people watcher when I go down to W. S. And like to stand outside the Walkway that leads to Happy Gogo, one can learn a lot just standing and watching. I do not have the exact words to describe the profile we have of Indians and how they dress and walk around in groups. I've seen a number of them go the path to Happy and then a minute of so later they are walking back down. The Thais general profile and when they come down in small groups (3-5) along with their style of dress the majority of the time they get turn away at the more popular venues. If you do not know what I am talking about just stand in one place long enough to watch. I stand around that area because in general many of these Indians stay around the small Soi just across from Lucifers P72, up to 2nd Road, and back of W. S. A area called Marine. Up from Marine Soi 17? Along V. See Hotel these Soi is know where many Mid-Eastern stay. I believe the more Western dress you are the greater chance you will be able to get in. A simple item is like a Ball cap for example with a Niki logo, shirt, shorts, as I noted Thais do a lot of profiling. Now if you decide to wear shorts and follow that up with black socks and streets shoes I myself will kick you out. If you do not believe me as you approach a place and the door man spots and check out his body language he will be giving you the head toe number if he is not sure. I personally get this theory because I can be mistaken for Thai, but I get this head toe number because I'm always in shorts with sports shoes like Nike, etc. Then they assume I'm Japanese or Korean. Instead of bottle service and overpaying for drinks and such invest in some western wear or a cap? .

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1811275]A simple item is like a Ball cap for example with a Niki logo, shirt, shorts, as I noted Thais do a lot of profiling. If you do not believe me as you approach a place and the door man spots and check out his body language he will be giving you the head toe number if he is not sure. I personally get this theory because I can be mistaken for Thai, but I get this head toe number because I'm always in shorts with sports shoes like Nike, etc. Then they assume I'm Japanese or Korean. Instead of bottle service and overpaying for drinks and such invest in some western wear or a cap?[/QUOTE]This is some handy advice Little Big Man, but it is absolutely not fail proof! I know because I dress in exactly the manner that you suggest when mongering, and I have been denied entry to three bars in Thailand. Two in Bangkok and one in Pattaya (wasn't Happy Go-Go where I was welcomed with open arms). Probably because they thought I was Indian. I will be writing about these experiences in detail a little later. Look for the post to come. And remember that I was dressed as you recommend.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1811154] Oh well what can you do? [/QUOTE]Like LBM said, try to blend in. What's the first thing people spot to identify someone as coming from India? I'd have to say the unwashed long greasy hair is the first thing that comes to mind. If its hot and humid, westerners shave off most of their hair (either a buzz cut or by going bald). I've met younger Indians at home in the states who had buzz cuts and they blended in completely. A buzz cut and a baseball cap are the way to go. All depends on what lengths you and your buddy will go to get into these clubs. Try it first your way, saying you'll buy a bottle. Try it by trying to dress like a westerner. If that fails there are tons of barber shops that will give you a buzz cut in Pattaya. I use them every trip.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1811275]As noted in the past, I do not think in general any of the Indians we are talking about will be on this board. The one's here I think I can safely say are more educated. More well manner and have been living or working outside of Indian etc. To be more in tune with many of the western ways like in dressing. I'm somewhat of a people watcher when I go down to W. S. And like to stand outside the Walkway that leads to Happy Gogo, one can learn a lot just standing and watching. I do not have the exact words to describe the profile we have of Indians and how they dress and walk around in groups. I've seen a number of them go the path to Happy and then a minute of so later they are walking back down. The Thais general profile and when they come down in small groups (3-5) along with their style of dress the majority of the time they get turn away at the more popular venues. If you do not know what I am talking about just stand in one place long enough to watch. I stand around that area because in general many of these Indians stay around the small Soi just across from Lucifers P72, up to 2nd Road, and back of W. S. A area called Marine. Up from Marine Soi 17? Along V. See Hotel these Soi is know where many Mid-Eastern stay. I believe the more Western dress you are the greater chance you will be able to get in. A simple item is like a Ball cap for example with a Niki logo, shirt, shorts, as I noted Thais do a lot of profiling..[/QUOTE]LittleBigMan,

I am a people watcher too and I too like to observe people when they think nobody is watching them, as they say you are your true self when no one is watching you.

I can agree with you on all the points you mentioned. I understand that there is an acceptable dressing sense one needs follow while going to a club, and I follow that when I go to any club be it in India, UK or Dubai. I will report back with how things go when I am there.

Kind regards,

TheTank

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1811224]If a tuk tuk or taxi takes you to his choice of massage parlor, he gets a commission. You will have to negotiate with the driver to give you a free ride (easily done). You probably can even negotiate so that he pays you a kickback. But as written previously, you will pay more overall.

Yes. I've never seen people trying to haggle down the bar fine. Wondering if some places will accept. But IMO this might give you a bad cheap reputation.

Many / most hotels in Pattaya will not have a joiner fee for 1 guest. Many will have a joiner fee if you bring in more than 1 girl (I hate this policy!) Some (not many) hotels do not want this type of business and will apply a joiner fee for the first girl. You need to find out. There is a site that lists the girl friendly hotels, or ask the hotel.[/QUOTE]GreenBud,

Thank you for your valuable feedback.

1) Yeah a friend was telling me that if we take a tuk tuk or a taxi to a place of our choice sometimes the driver is given a commission of around 100 Baht, so he doesn't need to take money from the passengers. I was just trying to confirm what my friend was saying.

2) I was just trying to know how things work over there, so as to not come across as a cheaper. Being an Indian I need to be more careful, I don't want to tarnish our already bad reputation any further.

3) I will be sure to confirm with the hotel before booking my room.

A big thank you once again, I am sure a lot of first time visitors will find your feedback really helpful.

TheTank