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[QUOTE=Frannie;1484899]You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.[/QUOTE]Are you talking to me? You know nothing about dogs we use Facebook or text messaging but never Skype that is not the way we roll. LOL.
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Became aquainted with Milagros on the beach last week. She is one of the many massage ladies walking up and down the beach in Sosua looking for clients. I had one massage from Milagros. Got her to come to my hotel. Got a decent half hour massage. Cost a grip. 800 pesos. And yes, an hour would have been 1600 pesos. I don't know if those were really her regular prices or her trying to get over?
During our appointment were getting to know each other. And every time I am on the beach she would stop to socialize. I learned a few things about her over the course of coming to beach. At some point she mentioned inviting me to her house for dinner. Of course I was buying the groceries. Well that day came, it was yesterday. She was finished at 3 pm on the playa, and we met up at Playero to get the groceries. One of her sons works at the little bakery in the front corner of the store. Met him, and then we went shopping.
Bought fish, fries, stuff for a salad, juice and miscellaneous stuff. Headed toward Cabarete. About a mile and a haalf short of the main drag in Cabarete, she directs me to turn right. I head down a paved street for a minute, turned down another paved street, and then was directed to turn down a street that had my suv rocking like an amusement park ride. There is only enough room for my vehicle to pass and a person walking along side, not enough room for 2 cars. I'm passing shack after shack, taking more turns. At some point we interrupted group of people sitting at a table. In order for us to get by they had to move their chairs so I could pass.
This is not an area where vehicles pass. This area is more for pedestrian or motorcycles. Now here I am squeezing around corners with this SUV, and Milagros constantly reassuring me that it's okay. In fact, that is a phrase she repeats alot."okayyyyy" She is very funny. Her house consists of two 8 by 10 rooms. They are side by side, and you have to enter each by going outside to that door. One room is her bedroom, and the other room is her kitchen. Only enough room for the basics.
There is trash and debri all over the place in the neighborhood, rocks, gravel, shacks to the left, shacks to the right. People all over the place walking about. Dozens and dozens of children nearby playing, enjoying themselves. Every one basically appearing content. I sat in the kitchen while she cooked. Her fridge was nearly empty, and it wasnt chilled, nor was the icebox frozen. She had electricity, but maybe it must have recently came back on? They can't keep food, so they barely stock their fridges with anything.
She cooked a nice fish meal with fries and salad. Even gave me some food to take back with me. The lady lives a very poor lifestyle, but to see her on the beach, you wouldn't know it. She is always well groomed and clean when you see her on the beach. Always pleasant and personable. Of all the times she stopped to chat on the beach, she never accepted an offer to eat. She only accepted a beverage. And for certain individuals, neither of us assumed that me buying her a drink or her accepting a drink meant I wanted sexual business with her.
[QUOTE=Frannie; 1484899]Shows the error of trying to treat these girls like girlfriends on first acquaintance, when very likely the guy does not have enough Spanish to be able to really read her character. He probably thought that if he didn't treat her like a hooker then she would respect him for that.
My experience is that you have to treat them like dogs. I love dogs to death, but you must establish complete dominance before you give them any liberties, always give clear and unambiguous signals, and make sure that they are 100% loyal to you before you give them any liberties, otherwise they will try to take the lead, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on the furniture, etc. You do not give a dog your iPad to play with, or it will be Skyping other dogs and spreading rebellion.[/QUOTE]Once again I think your analysis is somewhat flawed. When did you start thinking in this guys example, that he was treating the woman like a girlfriend? Offering food and drink to her? Letting her use his Ipad? Having her around for a few hours? Are those the examples indicating he was treating her like a girlfriend? How about he was simply treating her like another human being?
What you are right about, he does not know enough spanish. He didn't know how to read her character. He didn't know the many ways a chica can get over on him through his ignorance. He may have thought like you said, that if he didn't treat her like a hooker, she would respect him for that. But that isn't a bad thing. Many mongers report feeling they had a better experience with a chica when they simply treated them with respect. Now what is treating a woman like a hooker mean to you? Basically if you pay a woman for sex, you are treating her like a hooker. So there is no getting around that.
The point is. Treating a woman with respect, or interacting with them as with any other regular woman does not mean someone is treating someone like a girlfriend. And if you do things above and beyond p4p, as long as you paid the girl for sex, you just treated her like a hooker. Get it? It just so happened that he treated this woman in a way she didn't deserve to be treated. And thats where I agree with you. You don't necessarily have to be too accommodating to a hooker, especially when there are so many other red flags indicating she is unworthy and unappreciative. And especially since nothing he did lead to a better performance. And I do agree strongly that it is best to establish dominance with many of these women or else they will take acts of kindness for weakness. But again I think that can be gauged on a case by case, woman by woman basis. Some require more or less of whatever is necessary.
Mind you some men report when they did interact with chicas, treated them like an individual, the sex and experience was well worth the effort. Thats why they call it GFE. Girlfriend experience. It's just an experience, not a reality. My buddy just bestowed his efforts with the wrong individual, and she exploited it or responded accordingly, but unfavorably. However that doesn't mean all chicas should be treated the same. Thats what makes this hobby interesting, all chicas don't have to be treated the same. My buddy just needs more time in the game. Learn more spanish. Experience the good, bad and ugly, and learn some things from others.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1484917]Once again I think your analysis is somewhat flawed. When did you start thinking in this guys example, that he was treating the woman like a girlfriend? Offering food and drink to her? Letting her use his Ipad? Having her around for a few hours? Are those the examples indicating he was treating her like a girlfriend? How about he was simply treating her like another human being?[/QUOTE]Well it depends on what he wanted. If he wanted her to hang around for hours and not have sex, then he got exactly what he wanted. I am all for treating them nicely if I enjoy their company, but I would probably want the sex first and enjoy their company afterwards.
Read between the lines a little. Why is it so cheap here?
Unless you have a little hardcore in you or enjoy this type of challenge just for sex then this is not the place for you.
Unless you're like Frannie who (for some reason) has consigned himself to life in a place where he has to 'treat them like dogs' or Pooter who appears to have the time and patience to time the waves so as not to get knocked down or WRX who lets it all roll off like water off a duck then you're going to find yourself working very, very hard for a little tail because you have to have to be 'on it' 24/7 here and that's not a vacation by most standards.
And remember, these guys live here and they're telling you its not easy! You don't even know what you don't know.
Better, even if you don't have much money, to save up and hit Aruba or even better Curacao. No crime, no drama. Just umbrella drinks on a white sandy beach and all the tail you need. Real police on duty, no scams and only minor language issues.
Just not for pennies like the DR.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1484540]Reading stuff like this makes me really concerned about Sosua and is a big turn off. Buy the girl a drink in Brazil (excluding Rio and I avoid Rio totally) , or some other Latin countries and they are usually nice and warm towards you, even if it is a place where they do not get a kickback from the drink. This kind of violent behavior is what concerns me about Sosua, that a very large percentage are hardcore! Do most have pimps? Percentage-wise is this libel. A 1 in 4 thing? My first time to DR for vacation is next month and I am quite apprehensive about Sosua. But have already booked 7 nights at Casa Cayena?[/QUOTE]
I agree with Frannie.
While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.
[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484944]I agree with Frannie.
While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.[/QUOTE]"You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties." I agree, but I wouldn't generalize all women (They'll begin to take liberties ). I attribute that behavior mainly to whom it applies to. Thats why I think men need to be a better judge of character, and more importantly, honest with themselves in terms of what is motivating them, and the impact or result of ones actions with that particular individual. In other words, caution is always a good idea. It's just that a one size fits all response is not necessary or warranted. (thats not saying you or Frannie are advocating that, I'm just including that perspective ).
Got a question. You mentioned you don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from women. So when a woman is lets say tardy, is she done for good, or getting another chance? Most of these chicas are always late, even after you confront them. So it would seem to me, the only recourse if one doesn't accept tardiness is to dismiss that chica and get another one, and have to do the same with her, dismiss her too.
[QUOTE=The Mind Bender; 1484944]I agree with Frannie.
While the term "treat them like dogs" comes off overly harsh, it's important to understand that you're in a 3rd world country and these women are searching for any weakness to exploit. You can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties. (like not giving you oral) and you could end up being scammed or in jail. Women will prey on your good naturedness if you don't set your boundaries early. I'll happily offer my lady a drink, a snack or a quick game of fruit ninja AFTER she's taken care of my needs, never before. I don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from the women I deal with.[/QUOTE]I have never treated anyone like a dog in my life and I don't intend to begin. There are predators of every stripe everywhere in the world, not just in the 3rd world. We in the developed world pretend to be polite, but that is only because we are so comfortable in our wealth.
I have been robbed by professional women, but I have also been loved by professional women. I'm a nice guy but if you push me in the corner you better be ready to deal with maximum consequences because I won't hesitate to do what I think is necessary to protect myself. If that means permanent damage to the aggressor, too bad.
Sure these people, men and women, are often desperate. Hello! Do you think many of these women enjoy their situation? Dream on or continue fooling yourself. So yes, you need to be on your double guard.
But if you choose to go over to the other side of the balance and become an oppressor, that is a choice you are making. Pay attention to local norms, try to understand where the local perspective is grounded, and you will eliminate a lot of potential problems before they start.
But if you secretly enjoy being a slave master, hey, don't blame the slave for trying to get back some of his / her own.
And to make it doubly clear, I am making general comments here, based on the ongoing conversation. My comments are not directed to any of the current speakers. They are directed to all of the readers.
BTW, I initially took Frannies' comment about treating them like dogs to be an analogy towards training dogs, not that he actually thinks of them like lower animals. But he doesn't need my interpretation of his remarks.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1484924]Well it depends on what he wanted. If he wanted her to hang around for hours and not have sex, then he got exactly what he wanted. I am all for treating them nicely if I enjoy their company, but I would probably want the sex first and enjoy their company afterwards.[/QUOTE]That response didn't answer my questions, but I guess I should have expected that.
[quote=wrx2005; 1484952]"you can be firm on the front end then soften up once they've earned it but if you start out "weak" they'll begin taking liberties." i agree, but i wouldn't generalize all women (they'll begin to take liberties ). i attribute that behavior mainly to whom it applies to. thats why i think men need to be a better judge of character, and more importantly, honest with themselves in terms of what is motivating them, and the impact or result of ones actions with that particular individual. in other words, caution is always a good idea. it's just that a one size fits all response is not necessary or warranted. (thats not saying you or frannie are advocating that, i'm just including that perspective ).
got a question. you mentioned you don't accept tardiness, laziness or rudeness from women. so when a woman is lets say tardy, is she done for good, or getting another chance? most of these chicas are always late, even after you confront them. so it would seem to me, the only recourse if one doesn't accept tardiness is to dismiss that chica and get another one, and have to do the same with her, dismiss her too.[/quote]well i would generalize all women and people for that matter. it's human nature to take advantage of perceived weakness, now the speed and extent of which would depend on the individual's personality but ultimately she will try to get over on you if you're too "soft" too soon.
answer: she may get another chance (depends on how good the sex / gfe is) but i'll give chicas at most a 20 minute grace period (without a phone call) until i start looking for someone else to occupy my time. it's sosua and there's too many females parading around for me to be sitting on my hands waiting.
A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck!
[quote=the mind bender; 1484979]well i would generalize all women and people for that matter. it's human nature to take advantage of perceived weakness, now the speed and extent of which would depend on the individual's personality but ultimately she will try to get over on you if you're too "soft" too soon.
answer: she may get another chance (depends on how good the sex / gfe is) but i'll give chicas at most a 20 minute grace period (without a phone call) until i start looking for someone else to occupy my time. it's sosua and there's too many females parading around for me to be sitting on my hands waiting.[/quote]my novia was late for the first meeting, about an hour. i was at my hotel ready to leave for dinner with friends, i left an envelope with cab fare and instructions with the front desk, when i realized she was actually right behind me (she was all dolled up, worth the wait). she saw how upset i was and the next time she was about 1/2 hour early.
we've been together for about 5 years now and she realizes my point of view and is no longer on "dominican" time when it comes to me. she tells people i am "demasiado puntual". i value my time and in turn, other people's time.
3 hours is ridiculous, i would have left her cab fare and sent her home. don't set a precedent, don't put up with the "dominican" mentality.
[QUOTE=Brother P;1484994]A chica I know from Sousa (a hardcore pro) just sent me a photo of her in the airport on her way to the US! Says she has a boyfriend now. I guess some dreams do come true! Hope it all works out. Tend ta doubt it but good luck![/QUOTE]Does her name begin with an "S" by chance?
[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1484930]Unless you're like Frannie who (for some reason) has consigned himself to life in a place where he has to 'treat them like dogs' or Pooter who appears to have the time and patience to time the waves so as not to get knocked down or WRX who lets it all roll off like water off a duck then you're going to find yourself working very, very hard for a little tail because you have to have to be 'on it' 24/7 here and that's not a vacation by most standards.[/QUOTE]People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.
It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.
Lateness is a good example. If you hang around for hours waiting for them if they are late, then they will do it every time. No, give them sufficient time to allow for contingencies, then make other plans.
[QUOTE=Frannie; 1485019]People fall into two classes, those who love dogs and those who don't. I love dogs, but when you are training them they have to first learn who is in charge before they are ready to learn. Once that is established they do fine. However if you don't show them who is in charge, then they get ideas above their station and think that they must be in charge.
It is the same with these chicas. You just have to be confident, unambiguous and in charge and you will do fine. It is not rocket science. You don't have to beat them with a stick, just make it clear that you mean what you say and say what you mean.[/QUOTE]I don't like dogs, but I have no problem showing them who the fucking boss is. I don't argue and I don't fight. I'm like the dog whisperer. Just relax and let them run around and tire themselves out; then I tell them how it is going to be. A long time ago my cousin told me that you don't know if a woman really loves you until you have made her cry. Now it seems like every week some woman is telling me I made them cry and sending a picture to prove it. Funny thing is that I never do anything. I just stay busy so to them it is like I am ignoring them. So I guess they are training their damn selves. From this cop in Brazil:
Bom vou deixar bem claro as coisas:
1- Adorei conhecer vc;
2- Me arrependi de não *** conhecido vc antes;
3- Vc foi Lindo trazendo champanhe e morangos; (eu andão esperava)
4- Adorei os presentes q me deu;
5- Adorei cada minuto com vc e realmente queria repetir tudo novamente;
6- Estava planejando passar o Natal com vc em Atlanta e cheguei a comentar com vc sobre as passagens;
7- Vc se tornou mas especial ainda do que ja era, em minha vida;
So estou esclarecendo as coisas pelo ocorrido de manha, ja pedi desculpas mas. Ok. Adorei cada pedacinho de seu corpo mas vou deixar vc livre, de *** q sair do MSN ou Skype qdo eu entrar ok. Entrarei sim mas Nao mas para falar com vc. So lembre de uma unica coisa VOCÊ ME SURPREENDEU them TUDO. Foi bom *** vc, felicidades.
...and 8 hours later before I have had a chance to say shit it's "my sister told me you were not shit like all other men. I should have listened, bla, bla bla..."
Bom dia esqueci de falar que MINHA IRMA tinha me avisado que vc faria isso. Ja que veio iria pisar em mim isso e normal em HOMEN como vc do mundo. Eu realmente pensei q vc seria diferente em tudo. Sei que vou sentir falta suas como ja estou sentindo mas.
...then 4 hours after that, before I still have not said one word yet it's...
Vc me desculpou. Somos bons amigos andé. Detesto discutir com vc. Coloquei uma foto sua como protetor de tela no meu computador.